Sep 13, 2023 Commissioners Court - Regular

[A. County Judge calls for the Invocation.]

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>> THANK YOU LORD FOR THIS AWESOME DAY YOU HAVE GIVEN EVERYONE OF US TO BE HERE TODAY. WE HUMBLY GATHER TOGETHER AS SERVANTS OF YOU DOING OUR BEST TO SERVE YOU FOR YOUR GLORY IN YOUR HONOR AND YOU KNOW ALL THE MATTERS AT HAND FOR THIS COUNTY AS WE LIVE TO SHINE FOR YOUR GLORY ALL THE MATTERS AND DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS MADE MAY NOT BE PARALYZED BY CERTAIN PAUSES, WE JUST COME TO THIS POINT AND SAY GOD THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO STEP THROUGH THE DIFFICULTIES THAT YOU WILL TAKE US THROUGH MAY THE ELIMINATION THAT NEED TO HAPPEN THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAPPEN BE PREPARATION FOR WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IN THIS COUNTY. MAY YOU BLESS EVERY COMMISSIONER AND THE JUDGE TODAY AND ALL THE SERVANTS OF YOU, THIS COMMUNITY AS WERE HERE TO SERVE YOU AND THAT YOU WOULD GET US UP, OVER AND GET US GOING AND NOT BE STALLED BY STALEMATES, COME TO AGREEMENTS AND LORD YOU WOULD MOVE MIGHTILY IN OUR MIDST THAT WE WOULD TRUST YOU TO TAP INTO THE PAST TO TRUST YOU IN THE PRESENT WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE IN THIS MOMENT THAT WE WOULD GLEAM FROM THE MEMORIES OF THE PAST OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE AND THAT WE CAN GATHER TOGETHER AND MAKE DECISIONS FINANCIALLY BUT MOST IMPORTANT PHYSICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE COUNTY.

IN JESUS WE ASK YOUR BLESSING WILL GUIDE, GUARDIAN BLESS US TODAY AND MAY YOUR PRESENCE BE WITH EVERY WORD AND EVERYONE HERE TODAY. IN JESUS YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH THE BEAUTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE COMMON TEXAS, ONE STATE, UNDER GOD, ONE AND

INDIVISIBLE. >> THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE SEATED.

IT IS 9:10 A.M. AND WE HAVE A QUORUM OF MEMBERS, COMMISSIONER GONZALES IS HERE HE JUST STEPPED OUT, HE WILL BE BACK IN.

THE DATE IS SEPTEMBER THE 13TH WEDNESDAY WE ARE AT NIGHT OR WHEN LEOPARD THE NUECES COUNTY COURTHOUSE AND I AM CALLING THIS

MEETING TO ORDER AT 9/11 A.M. >> HOW APPROPRIATE 9/11 A.M.

>> ITEM D IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON DISCLOSURES OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST IF ANYONE HAS ANY, THERE BEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON AND SENSE ALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS HERE BEFORE WE START PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE ONE RETIREMENT RECOGNITION AND I

[1. In recognition of Danny Lorberau's 8 years of service to Nueces County.]

I SIGN A LOT OF THE PAPERS ALL THE TIME AND I LOOKED UP AND I WAS LIKE WHAT WAS I THINKING WE WILL BE SAD TO SEE YOU GO WE KNOW YOU BEEN HERE A LONG TIME BEFORE THAT TO AND BEEN A VITAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY BUT WE THANK YOU IMMENSELY FOR YOUR SERVICE AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS COUNTY.

I'M NOT SURE SOMEBODY ELSE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHERIFF COOPER, I DID NOT SEE YOU I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE

HERE IN SPEAK. >> DANIEL'S TEAM IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ME. CAPTAIN LOERA DID EIGHT YEARS BUT IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AE YEARS SO HE BROUGHT A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND LIFE EXPERIENCE WITH HIM WHEN HE CAME TO THE AGENCY EIGHT YEARS AGO AND HE WAS IN FACT ONE OF THE BEST MENTORS, TEACHERS, COACHES THAT I'VE EVER SEEN IN ACTION, DANNY THANK YOU, BEST OF LUCK IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE TIME YOU GAVE TO NUECES COUNTY AND THE

SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> AND YOUR MANY OTHER YEARS OF

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>> THANK YOU SHERIFF FOR THE KIND WORDS.

I REALLY ENJOYED MY TIME HERE WITH NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE I THINK WE HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE AND I CAN'T REALLY SAY IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON BUT BIGGER AND BETTER OPPORTUNITIES HAS COME UP AND I TOLD YOU A WHILE AGO I'M TO BE A PART OF THE TASK FORCE IN KINGSVILLE AND THAT'S A GREAT CHALLENGE I LOOK FORWARD TO AND REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH EVERYBODY AND MET A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND MADE A LOT OF GOOD FRIENDS.

I WILL STOP BY AT TIMES AND SAY HELLO.

>> WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU DO THAT, THANK YOU.

>> DO YOU GET TO KEEP WEARING THE HAT, IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

I KNOW YOU WILL. >> HE DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE

WITHOUT HIS HAT ON EVER. >> BELIEVE ME I KNOW THAT.

>> WE SHOULD APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE YOU BEEN A GREAT ADDITION AND WELCOME TO THIS COMMUNITY AND COUNTY WERE SUPER GRATEFUL THAT YOU'LL BE PROTECTING OUR AREA AND A DIFFERENT WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

EVERYTHING. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ WANTED

TO SPEAK AS WELL. >> I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG SURFACE WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ESPECIALLY WITH DPS.

>> 37 YEARS, 29 WITH DPS AND EIGHT HERE.

>> YOU'RE WELL-QUALIFIED TO MENTOR A LOT OF THESE FOLKS.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE, WE WISH YOU LUCK FOR

WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING. >> COMMISSIONER MAREZ WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. DON'T GO ANYWHERE YOU HAVE A LOT

OF PEOPLE PROUD OF YOU. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND SERVICE TO NO OASIS COUNTY. I KNOW YOU DEFINITELY HAD AN INFLUENCE IN SAINT PAT AS WELL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE AND I SEE YOU'RE MOVING DOWN THE LINE AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP YOU IN THE REGION I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING FOR US.

I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ORSINO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SMILE AS MUCH AS HE DOES HE'S USUALLY VERY SERIOUS AND INTIMIDATING TO SEE ALL THESE LAW ENFORCEMENT NO MATTER WHAT LEVEL THEY ARE AT BUT HE IS A KIND OF PERSON THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN APPROACH AND ASK A QUESTION AND GIVE DIRECTION AND HE HAS PROVIDED A LOT TO US AND THE MENTORING THAT YOU HAVE DONE.

IT IS A BETTER OPPORTUNITY, I KNOW WE ARE LOSING OFFICERS BUT IS BECAUSE IT IS A PROMOTION BASICALLY FOR YOU AND A BIGGER RESPONSIBILITY IN THE TASK FORCE DOES GREAT WORK.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO RUNNING INTO YOU WHAT ARE THESE DAYS HOPEFULLY FOR THE RIGHT REASONS MAYBE AT A RESTAURANT OR

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT

TO TELL A. >> NO - I THANK YOU AND NUECES COUNTY HAS BEEN THE SAME YOU BEEN HERE A YEAR LONGER THAN I HAVE. YOU BEEN HERE ALMOST THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK, GODSPEED.

>> THINK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AND WISH YOU THE BEST, YOUR OUTCOME AND CHALLENGE IS A BIG CHALLENGE IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS WHAT YOU DO, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE EITHER BUT I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU WILL BE IN A POSITION WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE TOUGHER TO MAKE CERTAIN DECISIONS WORKING AT A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT AND I THANK YOU CAN HANDLE IT YOU ARE A BIG GUY, I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK AND JUST REMEMBER TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES FOR THE RIGHT REASONS AND I WISH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY THE BEST.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> CAN WE GET A PHOTO, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME UP WE CAN STAND BACK HERE AND YOU ALL CAN COME OR I CAN COME DOWN THERE WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.

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>> AS SOON AS THEY CLEAR OUT WE WILL START WITH THEIR PUBLIC

HEARING. >> PUBLIC HEARING WILL BEGIN N

[1. The Commissioners Court will conduct a public hearing on the proposed 2023-2024 Nueces County Hospital District budget.]

IF THOSE IN THE BACK WILL MAYBE STEP OUTSIDE TO DO YOUR CONVERSATIONS. THE TIME IS 9:21 A.M.

SORRY. >> GOOD MORNING JUDGE IN COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND WHAT WE DO AND IN THIS CASE WE TALK ABOUT HER BUDGET.

I HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT CONNIE IS GOING TO SPOOL UP FOR ME ON PAGE 30, IF WE COULD PUT IT ON PAGE THREE CONNIE.

LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO THE POWERPOINT. I HAVE SHARED WITH THE WELL BEFORE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT BUDGET BUT I WANTED TO SAY THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS GOING TO HAVE ONE UNDER $53 MILLION IN REVENUE AND 147 AND A HALF DISTRICT BUDS BALANCED AND IT STARTS WITH A POSITIVE GENERAL FUND AND ENDS WITH THE GENERAL POSITIVE FUND BALANCE OUR PROGRAM AT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT OPERATED LAST YEAR ARE FUNDED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AT THE DOLLAR LEVEL HEALE SERVICES THE COVER DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR AS LAST YEAR. AND FINALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE ARRANGEMENT EMBEDDED IN HER BUDGET PROVIDE FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT MEETING WITH STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS TO PROVIDE AN EDUCATOR. WITH REGARD TO THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT CONNIE HAS BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS GRAPH BEFORE, DALE WILL PROBABLY SHOW IT TO YOU AGAIN BUT THIS IS THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TAX RATE TREND WITH THE REDLINE EMBEDDED IN THE GRAPH TO SHOW YOU THE DIRECTION OF THE TAX RATE AND WHERE IT IS GOING. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT FOR MANY OF THE LAST 20 OR SO YEARS HAS OPERATED THE DISTRICT AT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. THAT WILL BE THE CASE THIS YEAR WITHIN A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE LAST YEAR, THE

NEXT SLIDE. >> SAY THAT AGAIN.

>> SAY THAT ABOUT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE.

>> WE ARE GOING TO OPERATE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT THIS YEAR, WERE ASKING FOR 4% COMMISSIONER ON TOP OF THE NO NEW TAX RATE,

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CALCULATION WORKS. >> IF YOU ARE INCREASING TAXES

BY 4%. >> WE ARE INCREASING 4% OVER THE

NO NEW REVENUE RATE. >> THAT MEANS THERE IS NEW

REVENUE. >> WHEN YOU GO TO THE CALCULATION COMMISSIONER AND YOU USE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WE ACTUALLY LOSE MONEY, WE WILL HAVE LESS MONEY THAN WE DID LAST

YEAR. >> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP

ME WITH THAT ONE. >> THE WAY EVERYTHING WORKS AND THE WAY THEY TAX CALCULATIONS WORK AND IF YOU LOOK THERE ARE NEW REVENUE WHEN WE BRING IN REVENUE OF 1.7.

>> HOW DOES IT WORK FOR THEM THAT THEY'RE GETTING MORE REVENUE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A TAX INCREASE OPERATING I DO NOT

SEE THAT. >> HOW IT WORKS, THEY'RE SAYING THE SAME THING THAT WERE FIGURING OUT BECAUSE THE TAX

INDUSTRY. >> WITH THE APPRAISAL PROBLEM.

>> IF YOU HAVE YOUR REVENUE FROM THE REFINERY YOU WOULD BE

GETTING MORE REVENUE. >> ALRIGHT, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE, LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT THIS IS THE TAX INCREASE REQUEST AND FOR THE DEFICIT THAT IS ANTICIPATED FROM THE REFINERY DISPUTE YOU WOULD BE GETTING MORE MONEY THAN LAST YEAR.

>> AT SOME POINT THE DISPUTE IS GOOD TO BE RESOLVED AND SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN, WITH THIS YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE TAXPAYERS TO PAY MORE TO YOU, THAT IS A TAX INCREASE TO THE TAXPAYERS PAID WE GOTTA BE TRANSPARENT, YOU MAY BE GETTING LOST MONEY BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DISPUTE WERE IN THE SAME BIND SO WE MADE CUTS DO ALL MAKE ANY CUTS IN YOUR BUDGET TO ATTEMPT TO GET TO THE NO NEW TAX RATE OR NOT RAISE TAXES I'M JUST

CURIOUS IF YOU TRIED. >> WE LOOKED AT A COMMISSIONER GIVEN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WANTED TO FUND THE COUNTY HEALTH CARE EXPENDITURES, MENTAL HEALTH ALL THOSE THINGS AT THE SAME RATE THAT WE DID LAST YEAR WE ARE ASKING FOR 4% ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF CINEMAX AND A LOT OF TERMINOLOGY. THE TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR IS LESS THAN LAST YEAR SO IT'S NOT A TAX INCREASE IT IS ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT IS TRUE.

>> YOU KNOW THAT I LOVE YOU BUT YOU'RE GETTING IS MY AREA THAT BUGS THE CRAP OUT OF ME IS 100% TAX INCREASE BECAUSE THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY IT IS 100% BY LAW IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR THE NO NEW TAX RATE IT IS A TAX INCREASE TO EVERYBODY ELSE DESPITE THE DISPUTES I'M GOING TO PAY MORE YOU'RE GOING TO PAY MORE, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO PAY MORE BECAUSE THIS IS A TAX INCREASE I'M NOT SAYING THE COURT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T SUPPORT IT, TO SAY IT'S NOT IS NOT RIGHT.

IT IS MY PEPE BUT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A TAX INCREASE YES YOU ARE OPERATING ON THE SAME MONEY BECAUSE OF A DISPUTE BETWEEN TWO REFINERIES IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS MESSED UP ON.

IF THAT IS RESOLVED AND THAT MONEY COMES BACK YOU CAN HAVE MORE MONEY THAN YOU DID LAST YEAR.

>> IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT A BUCKET RESOLVED IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

>> COMMISSIONERS I'M NOT TRYING TO EXAGGERATE THIS BUT THE

MISSING MONEY IS REAL. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> IT IS NOT HERE IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US.

>> ABSOLUTELY WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT FOR MONTHS.

>> WE DID GET SOME MONEY THAT WAS DUE FIVE YEARS AGO EARLIER THIS MONTH. ANYWAY I WANT TO SHOW THE DISTRICTS TAX RATE TREND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE SLIDE NUMBER FOUR SHOWS THE COUNTY HEALTH CARE EXPENDITURES TREND AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT CONTINUES TO RISE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM EACH YEAR. ON THE NEXT SLIDE SLIDE NUMBER FIVE THESE ARE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICTS MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES EXPENDITURES TREND SO YOU CAN TELL FIVE YEARS AGO WE JUMPED INTO DOING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND FUNDING THEM AND WE ARE CONTINUING THAT, THE NEXT PAGE GOES INTO THE ACTUAL BUDGET, NEXT PAGE I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT I SHOULD BEFORE THE BULK ARE SUPPORTED BY NON- TAXES.

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>> A 9% PORTION IS THE COUNTY'S PORTION OF THE HEALTHCARE, PAGE 10 IS A LITTLE WERE DETAILED TO THE PRECEDING PAGE THAT'S ALL FOR MY PRESENTATION JUDGING COMMISSIONERS.

>> THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE PREDICT.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.

I NEED TO COME BACK THIS AFTERNOON OR SOMETIME TODAY FOR THE BUDGET OF THE LATTER PART OF THE DAY.

>> THINK YOU WILL. REGISTERING PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> I SUPPOSE WE CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW.

>> I DON'T BLAME YOU. >> ITEM TO THE COMMISSIONERS

[2. The Commissioners Court will conduct a public hearing on the proposed 2023-2024 Nueces County budget.]

COUNTY BUDGET. >> THANK YOU YOUR HONOR IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW THE RETIREMENT OF CAPTAIN HAS A LONG CAREER AND WE WANT TO WISH HIM WELL. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NUECES COUNTY SEPTEMBER 13, 2023 WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ITEMS OF DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND EXEMPTION THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE HISTORICAL TRENDS OF POWER TAXES HAVE GONE IN AND THAT IS HOW OUR REVENUE HAS COME IN AS WELL AND WILL TELL YOU THE SOURCES OF INCOME THAT COME FROM AND WHERE THE EXPENSES GO IN THE FINAL ONE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW A PROPOSED TAX RATE THE CURRENT TAX RATE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR IS .291659 FOR THE COUNTY NO NEW REVENUE FOR TWO 0 423. IN IT WE RUN OUT OF A DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPOSED RATE IS 2573.5% OF THE MANEUVER OF THE TAX, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT RIGHT NOW DON'T SHOW YOU BUT THE PRIOR YEAR FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICTS WAS.0 98846, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT NO NEW REVENUE IS.0 81963 AND AS WE SEE THE PROPOSED RATE IS.0 89272 IN THE BE BRINGING ON THE 4% WHEN THEY COME LATER ON.0 5242. THE NEXT LINE.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE EXEMPTION OF THE COUNTY OFFERS IN THE OTHER WITHIN THE COUNTY. WE USE THE LARGEST AREA THAT WE HAVE WHICH IS THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND CSST A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE IN OTHER AREAS WHERE YOU MIGHT PUT ARANDA'S, FIRE BLUFF, IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT IT WOULD BE CLOSER THAN WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE PICKED THE LARGEST ONE.

FOR NUECES COUNTY IN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WE GIVE A 20% EXEMPTION WITH A MINIMUM OF $5000 FOR EACH HOMESTEAD THAT QUALIFIES. ANYBODY OVER 60 5A DISABLE WE OFFER A $60500 FOR OVER SIX DIVIDED DISABLED PAY FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WE SHOWED 10% WITH 5000 MINIMUM, AGAIN 50000 FOR BOTH BUT ON THE LOCAL NEWS WE JUST HEARD THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTIE IS GOOD TO BE INCREASING THAT BY 10% SO THAT MIGHT GET UP TO THE SAME LEVEL THE 20% BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THEY HAVE A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST $100,000 EXEMPTION AND I BELIEVE OVER SIX 5A DISABLE NEEDS TO BE INCREASED TO PROBABLY 110 EACH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER FOR THAT YET. WITH THESE EXEMPTIONS.

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YOU SEE IN 2006, 2007 WERE A .37 IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS CYCLE WE MAINTAINED A LITTLE BIT THROUGH A FEW YEARS WE WENT DOWN AND AROUND 2015, 2016 AS SLIGHT INCREASE BECAUSE OF EVALUATION CHANGES IN A 2018 AND 19 YOU SEE THE ONE COMING DOWN FOR A PROPOSED 2022, 23, 23 - 24 SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASING, THAT IS ALMOST, THAT IS MORE THAN 10-CENT DECREASE IN VALUE FROM ONE YEAR TO 2006 TO NOW. NEXT SLIDE.

WE ARE SHOWING THE HOSPITAL, THEIR RATES ARE LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF HOW WE HAD TO FUNCTION THROUGH THEM BUT AS HE SAID FROM 2011 FOR A WHILE THEY WERE ON THE EFFECTIVE RATE AND THAT WENT DOWN YOU CAN SEE THIS CONTINUE TO DECLINE AS WELL AS THE LAST RATE TO THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED RATE IS A 1 CENT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE 10TH BETWEEN THE TWO AND THIS IS JUST A PROPOSED RATE AND WE WILL BE BRINGING RATES LATER AS IT COMES. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS A COMBINED TAX RATE FOR THE COUNTY AND HOSPITAL DISTRICT COMBINE, YOU SEE IT IS A MOST IDENTICAL WHAT YOU SAW FOR THE COUNTY THAT WE ARE AT .53 TOTAL COMBINE FOR PROPOSED RATE OF 23 - 24 WERE AT .342 THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN VALUE.

NEXT SLIDE WE WILL SHOW YOU OUR PROPOSED BUDGET TAX REVENUE AS WE EXPECT OUR COUNTY HAS GROWN N-SIZE AND GROWN IN VALUE IN OUR VALUE HAS GONE UP, THE ONLY CONCERN FOR 23 - 24 HAS BEEN MENTIONED WE HAVE A VERY LARGE TAX DISPUTE FOR TWO OF OUR LARGEST TAXPAYERS. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE A LEVY OF 112 LIEN DOLLARS WHICH IS THE FARM TO MARKET, DEBT SERVICE IN GENERAL OPERATION FOR PRE-GENERAL FUND OF 112 BUT WE DON'T EXPECT TO COLLECT ALL THAT DUE TO THE DISPUTE AND THAT AMOUNT IS NOT YET DETERMINED BUT WERE EXPECTING 5 MILLION

DIFFERENCE. >> I HEARD YOU SAY OUR COUNTY HAS GROWN, HOW MUCH HAS IT GROWN.

>> WE ARE NOW 365,000 PEOPLE IN THE 10 YEARS AGO WE WERE AT 312, WE HAVE GOTTEN BIGGER, THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU ARE FUND BALANCES AS WE KNOW IN 2017 WE HAD TO USE FUNDS OF THE FUND BALANCE AND WE DO OFFER A LOWER TARGET OUR TARGET IS A DOTTED YELLOW LINE IN THE MIDDLE. AS THE YEARS HAVE GONE THROUGH WE ARE GRADUALLY GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE AND WERE ALMOST WHERE WE WANT TO BE AT 27,000,008 WHERE THE TARGET IS 21 AND WERE VERY CL CLOSE.

WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME REVENUES THAT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT UNDER ESTIMATED BUT I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT LEVEL.

THE NEXT LEVEL IS GOING TO SHOW YOU THE TAX CODE REQUIRES US TO DO WE PROVIDE YOU WITH AN AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE FOR 2022 E WAS $166,436, THE AVERAGE VALUE NOW BECAUSE OF THE VALUE THEM SO SIGNIFICANTLY, THE AVERAGE VALUE IS $184,587, IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST COLUMN AND SLASHED YEAR'S TAX RATE AND WE APPLY THE VALUE AND WE GET A LEVY FOR THE COUNTY THAT IS SIX AND $49.95 THAT INCLUDES A COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT.

IF WE DO THE PROPOSED RATES THAT WERE PROPOSING IS .342 0 27 AVENUE EVALUATION OF $4 THE NEW LEVY WOULD BE $631.33.

IF YOU SEE THAT IS A $20 DECREASE IN TAX VALUE.

PEOPLE WITH AN AVERAGE HOME OR LESS PROBABLY SEE AT LEAST AN 80-DOLLAR DEDUCTION COUNTY TAXES I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY TAX AND TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY TAX OR A DROP OF 2.86%.

NEXT SLIDE THE TAX RATE WILL RAISE MORE TAX REVENUE OPERATING LAST YEAR END IS A 3.5% INCREASE IN STILL SHOWING A REDUCTION OF $34.51 IF WE APPLY THIS TO AN EVALUATION OF A HOME OF $100.

NOW THE BIGGEST THING PEOPLE ASK WHERE DID ALL MY MONEY GO FOR THE PROPERTY TAX AND WE SHOW YOU A BREAKDOWN AGAIN AND BE PICKED OUT CCS EDI AND CORPUS CHRISTI THIS MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR WHERE YOU LIVE BUT WE PICKED THE LARGEST AREA OF LARGEST AMOUNT OF ANY HOME IS GOING TO BE TAXED THROUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHATEVER SCHOOL DISTRICT YOU ARE YOU AND MORE OF YOUR TAXES GO TO THEM THAN ANYBODY ELSE, ALMOST 50% OF YOUR TAX GOES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE REST GO TO 24% FOR THE CITY, 11% FOR THE COUNTY, 10% FOR THE COLLEGE AND 3% FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. NOW WE ASK WHERE DID YOUR MONEY COME FROM, AS JOHNNY WAS SAYING WE ALSO HAVE THE SAME LEVEL.

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YOU SEE THE REST AS OTHER SERVICES AND SOME PEOPLE SAY WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER SERVICES, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR INSURANCE OR LARGEST COST IS INSURANCE, THEN WE HAVE RENT AND OTHER COSTS FOR SERVICES THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN THE NEXT ONE WE TRY TO HAVE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS AND THAT IS A GROWING EXPENSE BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE.

AS WE GET READY TO TALK ABOUT HER BUDGET, VIEW THE BUDGET CHALLENGES, AS WE SAID WITH A PROPOSED RATE WE ARE PROBABLY, WE WILL SEE A REDUCTION BETWEEN THE REFINERIES OF AROUND $5 MILLION. IT COULD BE LESS, COULD BE MORE DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS WORK OUT IN HOLY THIS GETS RESOLVED QUICKLY BUT WE KNOW THEY CURRENTLY HAVE DISPUTES ONGOING AND ONE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR SIX YEARS.

ONCE SETTLED BUT IT DID NOT SETTLE FOR CURRENT AND AS YOU SAW ONE BEING SIX YEARS AND WE SEE A SMALL WINDOW IN THAT.

WE HAVE CONTINUOUS PAY, WHAT IS CONTINUOUS PAY, AFTER EVERYONE THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY FOR THREE YEARS OR MORE AFTER THE THIRD YEAR THE NEXT FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR YOU QUALIFY FOR CONTINUED PAY WHICH IS PART OF HER PROCESSING INDICATED TO HAVE% INCREASE IN SALARY, APPROXIMATELY 153 EMPLOYEES AND FIVE INDIVIDUALS INTO DEPARTMENT HEADS QUALIFY THIS YEAR, EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO DO AN EVALUATION BETWEEN THE PENSION REQUIREMENTS FOR TEXAS RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND THEY ALWAYS GIVE US WHAT THEY EXPECTED PAY AND THE VALUE DID GO UP SO WERE REQUIRED TO BRING IN $156,000 MORE, DURING THE MIDTERM BUDGET CYCLE WE APPROVED SOME RECLASSIFICATION A MODIFICATION OF THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 150,399. IN THE BUDGET THAT WE PROVIDE TO YOU BECAUSE OF THE VACANCY AND THE COST OF FOOD AND SERVICES THAT WE HAVE WE INCREASED THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET FOR OVERTIME IN INMATES IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT CAN BE ADJUSTED, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK INTO AND ADJUST IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO.

WE WILL BE MOVING MONEY FROM 1115 WAIVER TO COVER THE SOFTWARE INCREASE THE LARGEST WHAT IS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE, THE GOOD THING IS THE FOLLOWING NEXT YEAR AT LEAST 500,000 OR SIX A THOUSAND WILL GO AWAY BECAUSE OF IMPLEMENTATION, THAT'S WHAT WERE DOING IT ONE TIME TRANSFER OF $1 MILLION FROM HER BALANCES. EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A SMALL INCREASE WERE BANK OF AMERICA THE FINANCING TO DO THE ABM ENERGY SAVINGS CONTRACT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND WE GOT MONEY FROM BANK OF AMERICA TO COVER THIS AND THIS IS HER DEBT SERVICE FOR THEM. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AGREEMENT DISCUSSION WITH OUR DEPARTMENT WE DON'T KNOW THE VALUE SO WE CANNOT DETERMINE WHAT TO INCLUDE SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S QUESTIONABLE, RIGHT NOW OR BUDGET CHALLENGE AS WE SEE IS ABOUT $5 MILLION, $8 MILLION. EXCUSE ME.

NOW THE FUTURE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE WE KNOW COVID-19 HAS REALLY NOT STOPPED RIGHT NOW WE HEARD FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT THE NUMBERS OF CASES ARE GOING OUT AND WE HEARD THE VACCINATIONS ARE COMING OUT SO WE RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO GET VACCINATED BOTH WERE COVID-19 OF THE FLU, WHATEVER ELSE HE CAN GET VACCINATED FOR. AS WE KNOW WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GET THAT RESOLVED AND WE WILL CONSIDER THAT. THIS YEAR WE HAD A VERY LARGE INFLUX OF VERY LARGE CLAIMS THAT WE WILL BE TALKING TO THAT LATER ON IN THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WHERE WE WILL NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS BUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE OF FUNDING SHORTFALLS AND WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR SURE BUT IT MIGHT BE NEXT YEAR TO CONSIDER BRINGING IN THE INCREASES, WE WILL DISCUSS AN EXTRA, NOT THE ISSUE. AS WE SAW INFLATION.

IT PROVIDES A PROCESS OF EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING IS INCREASING THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND FOOD SERVICES, EVERYTHING IS NOW MORE EXTENSIVE.

IN THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT INFLATION INCREASING HIS INTEREST WE RECEIVED FROM THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE THAT IS ALSO INCREASING THERE ARE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES WILL BUDGETARY CUTS WITHIN THE BUDGET ITEMS AND WE HAVE LEAD POSITIONS, WE HAVE NO RECLASSIFICATION WITH SERVER AS PART OF THE BUDGET.

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IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER.

>> WILL HAVE. >> I'M GOING TO SAVE A LOT FOR THIS AFTERNOON BUT IF YOU ASKED BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE ON RAISES ARE THE ONLY REASONS IN THIS BUDGET RELATED TO THE

CONTINUANCE PAY. >> THE ONLY OTHER ONE THE JUDGE APPROVED A SMALL INCREASE FOR THE COURT REPORTERS BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER INCREASES.

>> IN THE PROBATION OFFICE BUT STATUTORY THEY GOT THEIR MONEY.

>> THEY ARE STATE-FUNDED, IT'S NOT GENERAL FUNDED STATE.

>> WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER AND THE STATUTORY MONEY.

>> THE LEGISLATURE PAID. >> FOR THE PROBATION OFFICER, THE JUVENILE THAT IS TO THE STATE FUND AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY FUND. ONLY INCREASES CONTINUANCE IN

THE COURT REPORTERS. >> I WILL SAY THE REST FOR THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU.

>> LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATED IN THE CUTS GIVE A TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE CAME UP WITH I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HEAR THAT THIS COUNTY CAME TOGETHER EVERYBODY WORK TOGETHER MADE CUTS IN EVERY DEPARTMENT.

I KNOW IT WAS OVER 2 MILLION I THINK IT WAS TWO AND A HALF OR 3 MILLION. I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT SO I THANK YOU SHOULD ALL HEAR THAT THE COUNTY IS WORKING TOGETHER

TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. >> $1000.

>> 2 MILLION. >> 2,000,000.3.

>> 2.3 MILLION. I JUST FELT LIKE THE PUBLIC TO

HEAR THAT. >> IF YOU ADD THE TRAVEL IS 2.5.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING IF I COULD.

I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE COUNTIES ENCOURAGING ANYONE TO GET ANY KIND OF SHOTS. I THANK YOU DO YOUR FAMILY WHAT YOU TAKE IS NECESSARY, I DON'T THINK WE ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO GET

ANY KIND OF VACCINATIONS. >> THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND WE ARE HAPPY TO HELP YOU GET THAT IF YOU NEED IT.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS. IT IS 946 I WILL CLOSE THIS

[G. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.]

>> FIRST UP WE HAVE SCOTT HARRIS IF YOU WILL COME UP TO THE PODIUM WE CANNOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU

BEGIN. >> GOOD MORNING JUDGE SCOTT HARRIS 362 MERRILL DRIVE CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS.

PRECINCT ONE. I'M HERE TO PROVIDE THE COURT A QUICK UPDATE ON THE BOB HALL PROJECT ON THE REGIONAL MANAGER FOR LAM IN CORPUS CHRISTI FOR THE PROJECTS.

>> AND CLOSER TO THE MIKE. >> PULL IT UP A LITTLE.

>> MY NAME IS SCOTT HARRIS AND THE LOCAL REGIONAL MANAGER FOR LAM THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE BOB HALL PROJECTS WHICH INCLUDE THE DEMOLITION, THE REBUILD AND THE RECONSTRUCTION OF GOLD BEACH ROAD OR THE PARKING LOT WHICH WOULD BE THE CASE TODAY AND GET UPDATE YOU ON THE. RECONSTRUCTION OUR TEAM JACOBS ENGINEERING HAS DELIVERED A 60% DESIGN, WHICH IS ON SCHEDULE ON TIME ACCORDING TO THE LAST UPDATE THAT WE GAVE TO THE COURT THEY DELIVERED THE OF THE 28TH OF AUGUST, I HAVE GIVEN MY TEAM 18 DAYS, 17 OR 18 DAYS CONSIDERING THE HOLIDAY IN THERE AS WELL TO REVIEW THOSE DELIVERABLES WHICH INCLUDE THE PLANS, A LIST OF SPECIFICATIONS AND AN UPDATED OPINION OF CONSTRUCTION COST. THOSE REVIEW COMMENTS ARE DUE BACK TO ME ON THE 22ND OF SEPTEMBER AND I AM AVAILABLE TO GIVE A MORE DETAILED UPDATE TO THE COURT ON THE 27TH.

AFTER THE 22ND WE WILL RETURN THOSE COMMENTS TO THE DESIGN

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>> PUT THEM ON THE 27TH. >> IN CLOSING WE WILL BE BACK ON

THE 27TH FOR MORE DETAILS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> VISTA ORTIZ.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE OR AT LEAST GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WE HAVE THE CITIZENS AND NUANCE COUNTY I LIVE AT 3718 MENDENHALL. FIRST OF ALL I AM ASKING COMMISSIONERS, YOU JUDGE TO PLEASE NOT RAISE THE TAXES.

WE HAVE GENERATED MORE MONEY IN ONE EXAMPLE IS CREATING A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AS TO WHERE THE SUBDIVISION IN THE COUNTY NOT THE CITY SO WHO IS KEEPING ALL THE MONEY FOR ALL THE FEES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE DEVELOPED AS SUBDIVISION WHY ISN'T THE CITY GIVING THE COUNTY THE MONEY THAT IT SHOULD GO TO THE COUNTY HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THAT BE MORE CREATIVE AND SEE HOW YOU COULD GENERATE MONEY INSTEAD OF RAISING THE TAXES AND/OR ELIMINATING EMPLOYEES. REMEMBER WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN EMPLOYEES ALSO IN NUECES COUNTY WE NEED THE SERVICE. DON'T CUT LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT IS SAFETY. I'M ASKING COMMISSIONERS AT LEAST THREE COMMISSIONERS NOT TO VOTE FOR THE INCREASE OF TAXES TO LOOK AT CREATIVE WAYS OF GENERATING MORE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY SO WE DO HAVE TO RAISE TAXES.

THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT THAT DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO SIGN UP. THERE BEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA. THANK YOU.

[2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]

>> I WILL PULL THE AND CASEY BUT HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON, NUMBER

YOU. >> I DID HAVE THAT ONE.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.

>> JUST IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION.

>> THERE IS A BACKUP ANY OTHER ITEMS ANYONE WISHES TO PULL.

>> IF NOT I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA

EXCLUDING ITEM FALLON. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I.

[U. Accept presentation and design from CLK Architects & Associates regarding the Medical Examiners Facility Renovations Project.]

AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IF YOU WERE TO BRING UP ITEM U.

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>> I'LL LET THEM COME UP AND DO THEIR PRESENTATION OR QUESTIONS

FOR EVERYBODY. >> GOOD MORNING JUDGE AND

COMMISSIONERS. >> CAN YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN, I KNOW WE HAVE HEARD THESE PRESENTATIONS MORE ABOUT WHAT THE CHANGE IS AND I THINK THERE ARE MINIMAL CHANGES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> BASICALLY THE PRESENTATION WAS SENT TO THE COUNTY AND WE DON'T NEED TO PULL IT OUT BUT THE CHANGES THAT WE DID WAS MAINLY TO ADJUST THE BUDGET AND DEFER SOME THINGS AND MAKE THEM ALTERNATES SO WE CAN HIT OUR TARGET AS FAR AS THE FUNDING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT PULLED WHICH WAS NEVER PART OF OUR ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS EXTRA EQUIPMENT SO THE X-RAY EQUIPMENT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ITEM, IF WE HAVE THE FUNDS THEY CAN BE PURCHASED IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY BUT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIRED BY THE EMMY SO THE SPACE WOULD STILL BE THERE IN THE BUILDING BUT IT WILL BE PULLED OUT FROM A CONSTRUCTION BUDGET.

>> YOU MIGHT LET US KNOW WHAT THE JET NUMBER WAS FOR EVERYONE ELSE THAT YOU ADJUSTED THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT.

>> THE FINAL BUDGET IS THE SAME. >> WE CAN'T SAY THE BUDGET.

>> OH YES. >> THAT WHATEVER WAS TRYING TO

SAY. >> SAYING THAT YOU SAVED US.

>> YES. >> BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALTERNATES THERE IS ALTERNATES FOR REPAIR OF THE EXISTING ROOF THE EXISTING BUILDING THE ROOF IS IN REALLY BAD CONDITION SO IT'S GOING TO BE AN ALTERNATE TO REPAIR THE ROOF, THE EXISTING HVAC WERE INTENDING TO REUSE IT IS ALSO IN BAD SHAPE OF THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING SO THAT WILL BE AN ALTERNATE AS WELL, THE PARKING AROUND THE EXISTING MA IS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE AS WELL. THAT'S ALSO GOOD TO BE AN ALTERNATE. BUT THOSE THINGS ONCE WE GET THE BIDS, ONCE THEY COME IN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WILL BEGIN DECISION WHETHER THEY ARE IN OUR MEANS A OR NOT.

>> BASICALLY SEE WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT OVER OR NOT.

>> IS AB ADJUSTMENTS. INSIDE OF THE MBE THEY HAD REQUESTED A PROCEDURE TABLE AND WE REDUCE THAT TO FOUR.

THE SPACE FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO TO GIVE US CAPACITY FOR GROWTH WE WILL STILL BE THERE IT IS JUST TABLES WITH EACH AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THOSE THINGS COST WE WILL DEFER THOSE ALSO TO A LATER TIME. THOSE HAVE BEEN PULLED IN THE OTHER MAJOR THING AND WE TALK TO MICHAEL ABOUT THIS.

ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT ALL OF THE FURNITURE IS WHEN YOU BE OWNER PROVIDED WHICH MEANS THE COUNTY WILL PROCURE AND PURCHASE ALL OF THAT ON HER OWN. THAT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO SAVE ON THE MARKET FROM THE GC SO WHEN WE MOVE THAT OVER DOING IT THAT WAY. WE'RE GOING TO CREATE PACKAGES FOR PROCUREMENT FOR ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT AND ALL THE FURNITURE SEPARATELY FROM THE CONST CONSTRUCTION, THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF THE PART THAT WILL BE IS ANYTHING IN THE BUILDING IF YOU FLIP IT AROUND AND YOU SHAKE THE BUILDING AND IT DOES NOT FOLLOW, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE BUILDING BUT EVERYTHING ELSE COMES OFF THAT WOULD BE EQUIPMENT AND/OR FURNITURE.

>> PERFECT SPIVAK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> I DID. >> AND YOU TELL ME A TIMELINE.

>> THE OVERALL PROJECT IS 18 MONTHS.

>> STARTING TODAY? >> AFTER WE RECEIVED BIDS AFTER

WE ARE AWARDED CONTRACTS. >> ARE WE GOING OUT AFTER TODAY.

>> YES AFTER YOUR APPROVAL. >> TODAY WHAT WAS THIS TODAY THIS IS EXCEPT PRESENTATION AND DESIGN SO WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT TODAY AND THEN YOU WILL GO TO PURCHASING AND START THE PROCESS SO YOU'RE READY TO GO. THAT IS ABOUT 90 DAYS.

>> THE BID PROCESS I WANT TO GIVE THEM AT LEAST WITH THE MARKET TODAY AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON I WANT TO GIVE THEM SIX TO SEVEN WEEKS TO GET GOOD BIDS.

TYPICALLY 21 DAYS BUT I WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME.

AFTER THAT WE WILL HAVE THE COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPOSALS AND THEN SCHEDULE THE TIME TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR

APPROVAL. >> 49 DAYS OR SEVEN WEEKS

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WHICHEVER. >> WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO START IN

THREE MONTHS. >> YES.

>> THREE MONTHS OR LESS. >> WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO A TIMELINE HAS TO BE COMPLETED AS WELL.

>> IT IS ARPA FUNDS PLUS THE FACILITY IS IN NEED.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOUR TABLES OR SIX TABLES. I THOUGHT THERE WAS FOUR TABLES AND WE WERE GOING TO INSTALL TWO TABLES AND EVERYTHING WAS READY IN CASE WE NEEDED IT. IS IT FOUR OR SIX.

>> WE ENDED UP WITH FOUR, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO I MET WITH MA ON THIS THEY NEEDED THREE TABLES OF THE AUTOPSY AND ONE TABLE TO DECOMPOSE AUTOPSY AND THAT IS ISOLATION ROOM.

>> OKAY, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE AUTOPSY AREA.

OKAY WE ARE GOOD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

COMMISSIONERS? >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO APPROVE TO PROCEED FORWARD, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN, THE MOTION PASSES. , COMMISSIONER CHESNEY YOU ARE

REQUESTING TO REOPEN PUBLIC,. >> I AM I GOT HERE AFTERWARDS AND I KNOW LEWIS IS HERE, IF WE COULD REOPEN PUBLIC, FOR A BRIEF MOMENT SO HE CAN SPEAK PLEASE. I DON'T KNOW SCOTT WAS GOING TO

OR NOT. >> I THINK SCOTT IS HERE FOR THE

REST OF THIS TIME. >> IS AT A RATE TO REOPEN A

MOTION TO REOPEN. >> I GUESS SHE NEED EMOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION TO THE SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> THE MOTION PASSES. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> STAGER NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SCOTT CROSS NUECES COUNTY COASTAL PARK DIRECTOR AND I LIVE IN ROCKPORT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO THE COURT, I STILL NEED TO GO BACK TO MY BOARD AND DISCUSS THE ITEM OF THE CONCESSION AREA WITH THEM LIKE I SAID SCOTT HARRIS SAID EARLIER THAT WAS PUT ON HOLD. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ON THAT CONCESSION SPACE AND I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT UNLESS WE GET TROY TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING BEFORE THE 29TH THAT IS MY NEXT BOARD MEETING, THE 28TH, THAT IS THE DAY AFTER THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND I'LL WORK WITH HIM ON DOING THAT AND I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AND THAT IS ALL I HAD TO ADD TO THAT.

I WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW. >> ATHANK YOU.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> GOOD MORNING JACOBS ENGINEERING AT 332 CORPUS CHRISTI. A QUICK UPDATE ON.

DESIGN. 60% SUBMITTAL OF THE.

ONLY WAS PROVIDED TO LAM IN THE COUNTY ON AUGUST 28 AND PRESENTED TO NUECES COUNTY PARKS BOARD ON AUGUST 31.

WE UNDERSTAND THE REVIEW WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY A MONTH AND AT THAT TIME OF CONTINUED THE DESIGN AND A 90% TO MIDDLE AT THE END OF DECEMBER THIS YEAR. THE RESTAURANT IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY OF INSURANCE.

THIS SCHEDULE ASSUMES THE RESTAURANT REMAINS ON HOLD AND DOES NOT GET INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN OF THE RESTAURANT HAS REMAINED AT THE 30% LEVEL, TOTAL PROJECT SCHEDULE NEED TO BE REVIEWED TO REINCORPORATE THE RESTAURANT INTO THE DESIGN. THE SHAPE OF THE.

THE SAME IS PROVIDED AT THE 30% SUBMITTAL, SEVERAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE 30 AND 60% SUBMITTAL THAT WAS OMITTED, THEIR SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED AMOUNT OF INFORMATION IN THE PLANS AND SIGNIFICANT INCREASE MEMBER INCISIVE REINFORCING IN THE.

STRUCTURE THOSE OF BEEN DETERMINED AND SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS, THE DESIGN TEAM HAS REVIEWED THE LIGHT LEVELS ON THE. , WE REDUCE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LIGHTS ON THE. FROM 66 - 50 FEET IN BETWEEN THEM TO PROVIDE BETTER LIGHTING, THE ADA RAMP UP FROM THE.

TO THE BEACH HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN DETAIL, THE STRUCTURE SUPPORTING THE COUNTY AREA HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN DETAIL COUNTY AREA PLANS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED SHOWING THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN WHILE FINISHING FLOORING, FLOOR LIGHT OUT, ELECTRICAL MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING. THE PROJECT COST AT THE 30% LEVEL IS 21.7 MILLION AND THE ESTIMATED COST IS A 60% LEVEL IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER AT 21.75 MILLION.

THE DESIGN TEAM FROM A QUANTITY TAKEOFF WITH THE REVISED DESIGN AND MATERIAL PRICES FOR CHANGES BETWEEN APRIL AND AUGUST, WE ALSO DISCUSSED CONSTRUCTIBILITY WITH CONTRACTORS LOOKING FOR

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SOME ELEMENTS OF THE. WENT DOWN AND COST, SOME WENT UP RESULTING IN THE COST ESTIMATE THAT IS VIRTUALLY UNCHANGED WITH RESPECT TO PERMITTING THE PROJECT WAS ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BY THE COURT ON APRIL 6, 2023 TP WD AND U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE DID SUBMIT COMMENTS IN RESPONSE IN THIS TEAM HAS RESPONDED TO THE COMMENTS IN THE COURT CONTINUES TO REVIEW THE PERMIT. WE EXPECT THE PERMIT WILL BE RECEIVED LATE THIS YEAR SO WE CAN HAVE A PERMIT AVAILABLE BY THE TIME WE GO TO BED. IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE, WE DO EXPECT WE CAN GET THE FINAL DOCUMENTS TO THE COUNTY BY FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH AND BID FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 9 - 12 MONTHS.

VERY FAST THE MIDDLE. >> PERFECT TIMING, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> CLOSING COMMENTS AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[1. Discuss and consider accepting Briscoe King Pavilion New Facility Architect Proposal to present to Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone (TIRZ) #2.]

PRESENTED TO THE TAX. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION

TO TABLE THAT TILL SEPTEMBER 27. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THE MOST I MOTION PASSES TO SEP, ITEM NUMBER TWO DISCUSS AND

[2. Discuss and consider authorizing and approving a cooperative contract purchase under Sourcewell Contract No. 031121 with Ewald Kubota for two (2) Kubota L4802HST Front Loader Tractors for Nueces County Coastal Parks in the amount of $67,658.36 to be paid with Coastal Parks (0180-5659) FY 22/23 Budgeted Funds.]

>> YES, MA'AM, THAT IS MY ITEM SCOTT CROSS, THAT IS TO REPLACE TWO TRACTORS WE HAVE THAT IS USING THIS YEAR'S CURRENT BU

BUDGET. >> A MOTION TO PASS.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE

SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU.

[3. Discuss and consider termination of an engineering services agreement with Mott MacDonald Group, LLC. in connection with the Packery Channel Living Shoreline Project, and related matters.]

>> ITEM NUMBER THREE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER TERMINATION OF AN ENGINEERING SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH MOTT MACDONALD GROUP LLC IN CONNECTION WITH PACKERY CHANNEL LIVING SHORELINE PROJECT.

>> YES, MA'AM. THE PROBLEM I HAVE THERE ALL OF THE SENIOR COASTAL ENGINEERS EVEN THE JUNIOR COASTAL ENGINEERS HAVE LEFT THE OFFICE AND THERE ARE NO COASTAL ENGINEERS IN THE OFFICE AT ALL, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE GAP BEING PLUGGED I'M UNDER SERIOUS TIME CONSTRAINTS AND DELIVERABLES AND A NEED TO MEET WITH THE GL AND I DO NOT WANT TO WAIVER ON THAT THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT PARTNER OF MINE THE DAY NOTICE I GET MY WORK PRODUCT AND USING OUR INTERNAL LOCAL PROCUREMENT THEY TOLD ME I USE THOSE GO OUT AND FIND AND SELECT ANOTHER ENGINEERING FIRM THAT HAS A COASTAL ENGINEERING

BACKGROUND. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE

SECOND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

[4. Discuss and consider authorizing and approving execution of a Sourcewell Cooperative Contract No. 032119-CAT Lease-Purchase Agreement with Holt Texas, Inc. for one (1) new 2023 Caterpillar 930M Small Wheel Loader for Coastal Parks in the total amount of $173,653.13. ]

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN, THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER FOUR DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING EXECUTION OF THE SOURCE WHILE CORRUPTIVE CONTRACT.

THIS IS YOURS TO. >> THIS IS MY FRONT IN LOADER AND WE ROTATE THESE OUT EVERY TWO YEARS.

I HAVE WORKED WITH JENNY'S OFFICE ON ALL OF THESE EQUIPMENT PURCHASES SO EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER.

>> JUDGE, THESE ARE BUDGETED FUNDS.

>> YES. >> THEY ARE BUDGETED AND ANOTHER THING, THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT I'M TRYING TO GET ARE ON THE LOTS RIGHT NOW, IT IS ONE OF THE AUDITORS REQUIREMENTS AND FORGET TO MAKE A PURCHASE IN SEPTEMBER WE HAVE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT BEFORE OCTOBER 1 OR THE DISPENSE GETS PUSHED OCTOBER 1.

WITH YOUR APPROVAL I CAN GO GET THAT STUFF TODAY AS SOON AS I

GET A PIO. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE

[5. Discuss and consider setting the first day or fraction of day of juror service pay at the rate of $20.00, and the second day or fraction of day at $58.00, pursuant to Section 61.001 (a-1) (1) & (2) and (a-2) of the Texas Government Code; and any related matters.]

ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> NUMBER FIVE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE FIRST DAY OF FRACTION OF JUROR SERVICE PAY AT THE RATE OF 20 AND SECOND AT 58.

THE DISTRICT CLERK IS HERE TO DISCUSS THIS.

THIS HAS BEEN BUDGETED ALREADY. I AM TOLD AS WELL.

>> THIS IS A SMALL INCREASE IN THE FIRST DAY MIDDAY HOWEVER, THEORETICALLY OUR FIRST DAY IS COSTING US LESS.

>> WE HAVE FUNDS SET ASIDE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT.

>> SINCE I BEEN HERE THIS IS ABOUT THE SECOND TIME THAT THE

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WE ARE READY TO GO. >> THANK YOU FOR POPPING UP IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS BUT WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ANY

OTHER DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN, THE MOTION PASSES.

[6. Discuss and consider upcoming Commissioners Court meeting date(s), workshop date(s), and related matters.]

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> ITEM NUMBER SIX DISCUSS AND CONSIDER UPCOMING COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETINGS DATES, WORKSHOPS, RELATED MATTERS.

>> I THINK THERE IS A COPY OF THE LIST IN YOUR PACKET IF

ANYONE HAS ANY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COURT TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 19 SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BOB HALL. PRESENTATION.

I NEED TO GET THAT GOING IN WITH THE COURT'S APPROVAL WE CAN KEEP THE BALL ROLLING AND THERE WAS A TECHNICAL GLITCH TODAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON TODAY THEY DID NOT GET ON SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT PLUS THE ENGINEER IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN HAD INDICATED HE IS GOING TO BE GONE THE 27TH I THINK BECAUSE HE IS A FAMILY OBLIGATION AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE TODAY. I DON'T THINK IT'LL TAKE A LONG TIME I WAS JUST HOPING WE COULD DO THAT FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS ON THE 19TH OF SEPTEMBER IF THE COURT WOULD SO INDULGE.

>> I AM LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR AND WE HAVE TOURS MEETINGS LOOK LIKE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AFTER LUNCH.

>> WHATEVER WORKS IF THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.

>> IF EVERYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK AT THEIRS TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD

WORK. >> IS 130 WORK FOR EVERYBODY ON THE 19TH, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

DO WE NEED A MOTION. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH IT. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE

PEOPLE HERE. >> I CAN MAKE THE 19TH AT 130.

>> I AM FREE AS WELL. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

>> THEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET A MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 19 AT 1:30 P.M. FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PRESENTATION AN ACTION ITEM FOR BOB HALL.

>> THIS WOULD BE A ONE ITEM AGENDA MEETING.

>> YES. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[1. Discuss and consider authorizing the execution of a Statement of Grant Award from the Texas Indigent Defense Commission for the FY2024 Continuing Multi-Year Improvement Grant program for the amount of $139,904.00.]

>> THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM B, GRANTS, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A STATEMENT OF GRANT AWARD FROM THE TEXAS DEFENSE, I SEE ANNA AT THE PODIUM READY TO ANSWER. THIS IS THE 80% THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY AND WE ALREADY BUDGETED 100,000 AND I THINK THE INCREASE IS GOING TO BE THE 39000 IS WHAT I'M TOLD.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> DO WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, THIS IS THE LAST YEAR OF THE GRAHAM.

>> WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER IMPROVEMENT GRANTS FROM THE AGENCY BUT THIS IS THE LAST ONE FOR THE ENGINEER COORDINATORS.

>> FOR EVERYONE'S CLARIFICATION WE HAVE BENEFITED ON THE FRONT END OF THIS, THIS IS THE FINAL YEAR THAT REALLY COST US IT WOULD BE DISINGENUOUS AND BUS TO BAIL ON THE LAST YEAR.

IT MIGHT HEARD US IN FUTURE GRANTS AS WELL.

>> THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE IN BUDGET REALLY HAD $100,000 PLUS ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IT IN THE 30000-DOLLAR INCREASE TO MAKE UP

THE 139. >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO

PASS THIS. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO THE SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> COMMISSIONER DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING.

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT LITTLE BIT SLOWER.

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>> HE SAID WE BUDGETED. >> LAST YEAR WE WERE UNSEXY FOR SURE SO WE BUDGETED $100,000 FOR THE TRANSFER FOR THAT YEAR SO THE FINAL YEAR WE DON'T NEED THE 139 WE JUST NEED THE AMOUNT TO

MAKE THE 139 WHICH IS $30000. >> WE ARE SHORT 30030 BEEN BUDGETED WE HAVE TO INCREASE 39000.

>> AND THAT IS OUR SHARE FOR THE MATCH.

>> YES THE LOTS YEAR FOR THIS GRANT.

>> WHICH IS OCTOBER 2023 TO SEPTEMBER 2024.

>> WE BETTER START THINKING WHAT WERE YOU TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR.

>> YES. >> THEY ARE AWARE THAT IS THE

LAST YEAR. >> ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE MOTION PASSES. >> MOVING ON, I'M SORRY.

>> THAT'S WHAT I HAVE THERE IS 100,000 IS A 30 OR 39 TOTAL.

>> IT IS AROUND 30 SOMETHING. >> 139.

>> THE INCREASE WAS A SMALL AMOUNT.

>> WE VOTED TO CONTINUE WITH 139 SO YOU DON'T REALLY NEED THE

DIFFERENCE. >> IS ONLY GOING TO COST US AN ADDITIONAL 30000 BECAUSE RUDY BUDGETED A HUNDRED.

SHE'S ASKING FOR THE EXACT AMOUNT AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN

FRONT OF US. >> THE MOTION WAS MADE TO DO EXACTLY AS THE MOTION IS PRINTED.

>> YES. >> JUST MAKING SURE.

>> THAT'S WHY I SAID WE ARE APPROVING THE 13904.

[1. Discuss and consider award and execution of an American Recovery Plan Act (ARPA)-funded Agreement with South Texas Building Partners, Inc. for construction services for the Nueces County 6th Floor Renovations - Public Defenders Office project (IFB No. 3243-23) in the amount of $399,390.00, and related matters.]

>> ITEMS C1 AND CONSIDER AWARD OF EXECUTION OF AMERICAN RESCUE ACT OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH SOUTH TEXAS BUILDING PARTNERS.

MICHAEL I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

>> ON JULY 26 THE COURT CONDITION SOUTH TEXAS BUILDING PARTNERS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIX FLOOR RENOVATION FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THE CONTRACTOR'S AGREEMENT TO MAINTAIN COST WITHIN THE BUDGET AMOUNT OF $400,000 THEY DID SO AND WORKED WITH AN OFFICE ON THE VALUE ENGINEERING AND ARRIVED AT A FIGURE $391,390 AND A RECOMMENDATION THIS CONTRACT IS SOUTH TEXAS CLOSING PART AND THEN REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS WE ALSO RECEIVED THE SATISFYING THE RP REQUIREMENTS IN PUBLIC WORKS RECOMMENDS

APPROVAL. >> SO MOVED.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION DID WE VOTE IT BECAME A LOOK WE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK IS BACK WE WERE HOPING THEY WERE MOVING ALONG ON

THIS PROJECT. >> WE WILL COME BACK AND LET YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE AMOUNT IS THAT WE COMMITTED TO.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION GO TO SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN.

[1. Discuss and consider authorizing and approving a Texas DIR Contract No. DIR-TSO-3763 with DELL Technologies in the amount of $124,790.01 for the purchase of computer hardware for annual warranty replacements for Information Technology.]

THE ONE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING A TEXAS ERI CONTRACT WITH DALE TECHNOLOGY IN THE AMOUNT OF $124,790 FOR THE PURCHASE OF COMPUTER HARDWARE AND THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE CAPITAL OUTLAY 1900 AND WE DID THIS, THIS IS PART TWO WE DID THIS LAST YEAR TO REPLACE THE AMOUNT OF WARRANTY ON COMPUTERS

AND THINGS. >> CORRECT THE IT DIRECTOR HAS ASSURED US THAT DEAL WILL DELIVER THESE ITEMS PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 30 WITH THE COURT APPROVAL WE WILL HAND IN A PURCHASE ORDER AND EXPEDITE THE PROCESS.

>> WE WERE NEEDING TO DO THIS TODAY FOR THEM TO COMPLY.

>> YES THE URGENCY IS ON. >> CAPITAL OUTLAY 1900.

WE HAVE A MOTION. I WILL SECOND THAT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ALTHOUGH THE LAMPPOST, SAME SIGN

[1. Discuss and consider authorizing reclassification of open position in Public Defender's Office from an Attorney V (pay group 37) to an Attorney III (pay group 35).]

>> WE NEED TO DO THAT. I RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE NOT READY TO PROCEED ON THIS ONE, AM I CORRECT, IT ESTELLA NO GO ON THIS, THEY WANT TO TABLE THIS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS AT THE TABLE HE DIED JUST NEED TO MAKE

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>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> INDEFINITELY, THEY ARE

CHANGING THE PLAN TOTALLY. >> MOTION TO TABLE DEFINITELY.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO TABLE THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THANK YOU THE MOTION PASSES.

I'M SORRY I THOUGHT IT WAS YOUR ITEM THAT WE VOTED ON.

ON ITEM E2 IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THAT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I WILL ASK THE COURT IF THAT IS THEIR WISHES OR IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED, THIS IS ON TRANSFERRING TWO POSITIONS INTO THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FUTURE PLAN WITH HER BUDGET FOR LATER THIS AFTERNOON, IF YOU ARE WANTING TO PROCEED.

>> I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

>> THAT WHY, WE WILL TAKE IT TO EXECUTIVE.

>> I HAD A QUESTION ALSO BUT THEN I WAS TOLD IT MIGHT NOT BE BUT I PREFER TO TAKE IT FOR WE GO INTO DISCUSSION.

>> COULD I ASK IF YOU COULD E-MAIL ME DURING THE BETWEEN TIME THEN I COULD GET STAFF TO BE WORKING ON THAT QUESTION SO I

PRESENTED ANSWER WITHOUT DELAY. >> OKAY.

[1. Discuss and consider providing additional funding to the group health account in the amount of $4,000,000 to cover at least five major claims that are pending and may not be covered by stop loss protection.]

>> MOVING ON TO IMS. THE AUDITORS DISCUSS IN CONSIDERATION ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE GROUP HEALTH ACCOUNT IN THE AMOUNT OF 4 MILLION TO COVER AT LEAST FIVE MAJOR CLAIMS THAT ARE PENDING AND MAY NOT BE COVERED BY OUR STOPLOSS PROTECTION. LET ME BE CLEAR I KNOW DELL IS GOING TO STATE THIS, THE 5 MILLION WILL COVER OTHER CASES THAT WE WOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR IN THE FUTURE BUT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT UP FRONT THAT WE ARE HAVING TO FUND AND WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR ACCOUNT IS CAPABLE FOR NEXT YEAR.

>> YES YOUR HONOR I PROVIDE YOU WITH A REVENUE EXPENSE SUMMARY AS OF JULY FOR THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE, I GOT THE BALANCES FOR AUGUST AND IMPARTIAL ECONOMIC DATE DOESN'T GET THOSE TO YOU. AND FOR AUGUST THERE WAS A REDUCTION OF ABOUT $500,000 LOSS SO GROUP HEALTH IS ABOUT $300,000, WE KNOW VERY LARGE CLAIMS WILL BE PENDING VERY SOON AND WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE ACCOUNT OF THAT NEXT YEAR'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT YEAR AND WE MAY NOT HAVE THE FUNDS NEXT YEAR AND WE PROBABLY WILL THIS YEAR. A FEW YEARS AGO THE COUNTY DID LOAN MONEY TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND AND HELP WITH THE BALANCES IN WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS TAKEN CARE OF FIRST HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT ALONE THIS IS A CLAIM FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES AND AS YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE CLAIMS WILL QUALIFY FOR A STOPLOSS, NOT ALL OF THEM WILL.

IT IS GOING TO BE HARDSHIP ON THE COUNTY.

WE KNOW AT LEAST FIVE IF NOT EIGHT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER FOR WORKING WITH OTHERS WE BELIEVE 4 MILLION WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT IN AT A POINT IN TIME WE GET REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STOPLOSS CARRIER AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING AND GO BACK ON THIS IF WE CAN BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED AND WERE ABOUT READY TO CUT A LARGE EXPENSE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE CLAIMS AS A LARGE AMOUNT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN CLAIMS IS ABOUT READY TO GO OUT AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE LARGE CLAIMS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO CAUTION THAT WERE GOING TO PAY THIS BACK.

I KNOW WE HAD TO TRANSFER MONEY WHEN ARPA COVERED THE COVID EXPENSES THIS SEEMS TO BE CONTINUING PRETTY REGULAR WHERE

WE NEED TO LOOK. >> THE WAY THAT WE HAVE OUR PREMIUMS ON A CASH BASIS OUR PREMIUMS ARE BARELY COVERING POSSIBLY HAVE A LARGE CLAIMS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER IT.

>> I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER DID I INTERRUPT YOU.

>> IT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR WE FIND YOURSELF IN THE SAME POSITION RIGHT ON BUDGET, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON UNTIL THE LAST MONTH OR WHAT I NEVER HEARD THAT WE WERE SHORT ANYWAY AND WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE EXPENSES OF 4 MILLION AND WE WOULD NEVER REPORT TO WARN US AND SAY THIS SO WE CAN WORK ON IT. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS 4 MILLION

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I KNOW THERE IS MORE THAN $4 MILLION OR, IN SEPARATE ACCOUNTS I KNOW SOME CANNOT USE BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE

$4 MILLION. >> ON THIS ITEM IS ONLY TO TAKE CARE OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT WERE REQUIRED.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE REST, HISTORICALLY LAST YEAR WE TRANSFERRED MORE THAN THAT WE DID NOT BUDGET ENOUGH AND I KNOW JUST RECENTLY IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS PROBABLY JULY OR SOMETHING THERE HAS BEEN MAJOR CASES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND BECAUSE OF HIPPO LAWS WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT THEM OR BRING THEM TO COURT OR ANYTHING.

>> YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS, WE MAKE THE DECISIONS TO PAY THEM AND WE KNOW ABOUT THEM, I KNOW IT IS HIPAA BUT I THINK WERE IN A POSITION THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BEFORE WE PAY SOMEBODY I THINK.

IF IT'S HIPPO LAW IF I'M GOING TO SAY YES OR NO.

>> YOU CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY A MINISTRY TO THE HANDLES ALL THE CLAIMS FOR HEALTH INSURANCE TO BE BUDGET ANYWHERE FROM 14 - $15 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE REGULAR HEALTH INSURANCE IS NORMALLY THAT DOES COVER IT BUT THERE ARE SOME YEARS WHERE WE HAVE MAJOR CLAIMS PEOPLE CAN GO IN FOR WHATEVER BE THE CASE AND HAVE MAJOR CLAIMS, NO WINDOWS WITH COMING UP AND THESE ARE MAJOR CLAIMS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM UNTIL THEY HAPPEN AS WELL BECAUSE HIPAA LAW REQUIRES THAT ARE INSURANCE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THEY DEAL WITH INSURANCE DEAL WITH THIS AND THAT THEY BRING TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR FUNDING AND THIS YEAR IS BAD BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE AND WE HAVE SEVERAL AND IF YOU REMEMBER FOR FIVE YEARS AGO WE HAD TO CHANGE HER $5 MILLION. TO COVER IT.

>> WE ALWAYS TRY TO PLAN FOR A GOOD YEAR IF WE HAVE A GOOD YEAR WITH NO MAJOR CLAIMS WOULD NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM.

BUT THIS HAPPENS. >> HAVE A QUESTION.

>> HOW MUCH TIME DOES INSURANCE WITH THE THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT OR WHOEVER IS HELPING US HOW MUCH TIME DO THEY GIVE YOU TO TELL YOU THEY HAVE A STOPLOSS CLAIM, HOW FAR BACK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS CLAIM THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COVER MORGAN TO BE

RESPONSIBLE FOR. >> IF IT IS A NORMAL CLAIM LIKE WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMING IN WAS STOPLOSS ONCE WE EXCEED $400,000, COVERED BY THIS AND IT GOES TO THE THIRD PARTY A MINISTRY TO THEY USUALLY TELL US A LARGE CLAIMS ARE COMING TO PAY FOR THIS AND WE INFORM YOU WHEN WE KNOW THESE ARE COMING IN BUT THEY KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO COVER IT AND ARE STOPLOSS CAN TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 1 - 7 MONTHS TO

REIMBURSE US FOR IT. >> IS AT THE THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY YOU ABOUT THE LOSSES.

>> THEY DON'T NOTIFY ME PERSONALLY THEY DO WITH HR BECAUSE HR OVERSEES MOST OF IT AND THEY DO NOT NOTIFY ME

SLIGHTLY. >> I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO

COMMENT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME

PERSPECTIVE HERE. >> WE HAVE NEVER NOTIFIED HR THE PAST SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. I DON'T HOW MUCH LONGER BUT I BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. TYPICALLY THE JUDGE GETS NOTIFIED. TYPICALLY WE TALK CLOSELY WITH

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THERE IS TOO RELATIONS TO THIS ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING. ONE YOU HAVE NOT READ THE PREMIUMS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW SO YOU ARE BUILDING UP A SPREAD DEFICIT IN YOUR PROCESS AND EVERY YEAR I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT IN EVERY YEAR I RECOMMEND THAT YOU INCREASE A MINIMUM OF 4% I HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THERE IS A SHORTFALL IN REVENUE.

IF YOU WANT FULLY INSURED YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR PREMIUM SUBSTANTIALLY. AND YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS, BOTH EMPLOYEES AND THE COUNTY. THAT IS A BUILT IN PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE NOT BUILT IN FOR SEVERAL YEARS YOU HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF IT EVERY YEAR, THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION AND CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, THAT IS ONE ISSUE, WHAT YOU HAVE COMPOUNDED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE BUILT IN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS YOU'VE HAD AN UNUSUAL HIGH NUMBER OF LARGE CLAIMS, THE HUNDRED THOUSAND AND OVER THE 13 CLAIMS ARE COSTING YOU THIS YEAR ALREADY PAID IN EXCESS OF $2 MILLION.

THAT IS A FACT, THAT IS SHOWN AND THAT IS A REPORT THAT I PREPARED FOR MANY YEARS AND HAS MUCH INFORMATION.

WE COMPARE AND COMPARE IT AND COMPARE IT TO FINANCIAL REPORTS AND PREPARE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THERE WAS ALWAYS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN HIS REPORT AND MINE AND I'M LOOKING AT EVERYDAY AUDIT AND I GET REPORTS ALMOST WEEKLY ON THE STATUS OF THE FUND AND THE AUDITOR DOESN'T DO IT THAT OFTEN SO OUR NUMBERS ARE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT SO THEY WOULD CATCH UP ONE ANOTHER.

I BELIEVE DURING THE JOSH NIELSEN ADMINISTRATION LET'S LOOK AT THE AUDITOR REPORT THE OFFICIAL REPORT BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE PREPARED REPORT THAT WAS MORE ACCURATE BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE THEY WERE BOTH ACCURATE IN SAYING I WAS AWARE OF IT BEFORE HE IS SO MY REPORT IS MORE CURRENT BUT THE ACCURACY TO CATCH UP AT SOME POINT IN TIME ARE THE SAME.

THAT IS ONE ISSUE, YOUR REVENUE PROBLEM BUT SET THAT ASIDE THIS IS PARTICULARLY A BAD YEAR THAT YOU HAD 13 CLAIMS IN EXCESS OF $100,000 EACH SOME AS HIGH AS A MISSED $200,000 IN YOUR ONLY INSURED AT $400,000.435 I BELIEVE SO ANYTHING THAT EXCEEDS THAT WILL BE RECOVERED HOWEVER, IN ADDITION TO THE BAD YEAR WE HAD AN UNUSUALLY HARD LARGE CLAIM THAT STARTED AT $5 MILLION IN YOUR ONLY REINSURER A LITTLE OVER $400,000 SO IT HAS TO BE IN EXCESS OF $400,000 YOU TO RECOVER MONEY THE $5 MILLION CLAIM WAS REDUCED THROUGH CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE AND THAT I HAVE NEGOTIATED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS AND HAVE DONE SO WITH THE PERSON SITTING BACK THERE IN THE BUILD OF $5 MILLION APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION HAS BEEN REDUCED TO ABOUT 1,000,000.9.

WE ARE STILL QUESTIONING AND CHALLENGING SOME OF THE CHARGES, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE BILL BECAUSE THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS CLOSING INFORMATION AND IDENTIFY THE CLAIMANT AND THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER HIPAA WE CAN DISCUSS CLAIMS BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT CAREFULLY.

IN ADDITION TO THAT THAT BILL HAS NOT BEEN REJECTED WITH MY CAUTION IN YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE BILL CHAPMAN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING SUFFICIENT INFORMATION FOR US TO DETERMINE IF IT IS CORRECT SO WE HAD TO REJECT THE BILL TO COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL LAW THAT BILLS ARE PAID OR REJECTED BY CERTAIN TIMELINE IN IN THE NEGOTIATION OF THE PROCESS WE HAVE ACTUALLY, I AGREED WITH HER DECISION THAT THEY MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY NEEDED TO REJECT IT WHILE WE CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE AND WE BELIEVE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. WE THINK WE CAN GET IT DOWN, THAT IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW AND WE WILL ULTIMATELY DO IT, OUT OF THE 1,000,000.9 THAT WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY WE EXPECT THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING BACK ABOUT A 1.5 MILLION AFTER WE CEMENT THE CLAIM AND AFTER ITS CLAIM TO HAS TO BE CEMENTED FOR REVIEW AND

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WITH THE COMMITTEE. HOWEVER, IN ADDITION TO THAT I WILL DISCUSS WITH MR. WATERMAN AND EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES UP WITH THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ISSUE MR. WATERMAN WILL BE AWARE AND WE WOULD DISCUSS IT AT SOME POINT TIME AND SAY WHAT DO YOU THINK AND TAKE IT TO MR. NEILL AND WE DID AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS AND THE THINGS THAT WOULD COME TO YOU WOULD BE OVERALL PICTURES. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE BUT WHEN I SAY MAYBE NOT INDIVIDUALLY BUT YOU THE COUNTY HAS BEEN WELL AWARE FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS THAT I REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR FUND AND YOUR INSURANCE AND WHETHER YOU SPECIFICALLY ARE NOTIFIED OR NOT I HAVE NO CLUE, TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY, I TAKE IT TO THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES, HR HAS NEVER BEEN INVOLVED AT THIS TYPE OF LEVEL OF STUFF BY CHOICE, IT COULD BE, THAT IS YOUR DECISION NOT MINE, THAT IS BASICALLY IT. I HOPE THE ANSWER.

>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS JUST COMMENTARY.

WE RECENTLY CHANGED OUR HR DIRECTOR MAYBE THAT WAS A PREVIOUS PRACTICE OR EXPECTATION THEN BUT I DON'T THINK HER NEW HR DIRECTOR HAS BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION HR IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED.

>> HE GETS OUR NOTICES BE BACK THAT IS NOT MY DECISION, YOU

DECIDE WHO WE GO TO. >> HOLD ON YOU GOT TO SPEAK NOW I GET TO. THE COURT TO REST UNDER THE BUS SAYING WE AS A COUNTY SHOULD KNOW AND I DON'T LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF I AM JOHN I AM THE CHAIRMAN.

>> THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. >> LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF I AM THE CHAIR OF THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE.

AND YOU HAVE NOT BROUGHT ME THIS INFORMATION I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TOLD DALE AND MAYBE THERE IS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STEVE WATERMAN THAT HAS NOT BEEN HERE IN YEARS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LLOYD NEILL THAT GOD REST HIS SOUL HAS NOT BEEN HERE IN YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE WERE AT NOW BUT I KNOW YOU MAY GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE JUDGE BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I KNOW WHEN I'M BEING THROWN UNDER THE BUS.

I THINK COLLECTIVELY THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE SAID.

IF I AM WRONG THAT I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I MISREPRESENTED BUT THAT'S HOW I'M TAKING IT. I AM NOT HERE TO POINT FINGERS TODAY BUT THE FACT IS WE ARE GIVING A 4 MILLION OTHER PRICE TAG AND THAT'S VERY ALARMING THAT DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, AMOUNTS THAT GO ABOVE 50000 WE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF IT IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GETTING THIS INFORMATION REAL-TIME DAILY OR ALMOST IN A REAL-TIME SITUATION WE NEED TO BE GIVEN THAT INFORMATION.

WE NEED TO CREATE A SYSTEM IN PLACE SO WERE UP TO DATE ON THIS BECAUSE OF FORGIVING AND LIKE THE COMMISSIONER SAID HOW DID WE GET HERE, WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT WE GOTTA FIX THIS.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF MONEY AND DEALING WITH THIS BUDGET CONSTRAINT THIS YEAR AND TO HAVE ALL OF THIS INCLUDED IS VERY OVERWHELMING AND IT GIVES OFF THE WRONG MESSAGE. I THINK AS A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR IT IS YOUR JOB WHICH APPARENTLY YOU SAY YOU'RE DOING, WHICH IS GOOD TO HEAR, THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU, YOU ARE CHECKING BUT THERE IS A LARGE DISCONNECT AND IT DOES NOT HAVE INFORMATION JUST GIVEN TO THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE I THINK ALL OF US SHOULD BE GETTING UPDATES. IF IT'S A WAY TO CREATE A REPORT THAT YOU SENT TO DALE IN THE JUDGE IN YOU CC A BLANK COPY EVERYBODY ON THEIR SO WE AT LEAST GET IT AND IF WE REVIEW IT THEN GREAT. THERE IS A LOT GOING ON TO THIS AND THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU TO MONITOR, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE SAID THAT EVEN THIS TIME WHILE WERE LEADING UP TO A NEW BID TO PUT OUT A BID PROPOSAL FOR A NEW CONSULTANT OR MAYBE IT IS YOU AGAIN BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT IS

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I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, THIS IS GIVEN TO US ALREADY HERE ALRIGHT NOW WOULD BE NO THIS LEADING UP I THINK THAT IS A CONCERN OR THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE ON THIS.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT GOES ABOVE $50000 THRESHOLD THAT THAT IS ON THE PATH TO GETTING TO 100, 200,000 WHICH YOU MENTIONED ALMOST ALL CLAIMS ARE 100,000 AND THEN WE HAVE SOME CLOSE TO 200.

ADD THOSE UP TIMES 10 OR 13 WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS THAT'S WHAT WERE GETTING INTO TWO POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GETTING -- AND ARE WE ON THE PATH TO THE STOPLOSS NUMBER BUT AT LEAST THIS THRESHOLD WHEN YOU SAY IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE 50 IF YOU SAY NEEDS TO BE 25 OR 75 YOU CAN HELP COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER, YOU ARE OUR CONSULTANT, THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME NUMBER SO WE CAN HAVE 70 RING THE BELL THIS IS OKAY HERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT, LET'S NO THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH YEAR. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT PREMIUMS HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT IN THE JUDGE MENTIONED AND WE SEEN A PRESENTATION IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY BE PUT ON TO EMPLOYEES COMING UP NEXT YEAR AND I AM ALL FOR IT, GIVEN EVERYBODY ENOUGH NOTICE, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET TIME, AROUND THREE WEEKS LATER, NOW IT IS ON YOU, GIVE EVERYBODY A NOTICE THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE TO COVER THAT, THESE ARE AREAS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE IN THESE ARE AREAS THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF, IF WE GET TO A LARGE AMOUNT AND IT SEEMS THAT FOR MOST OF US THAT IT POPS UP OUT OF NOWHERE, THEN UNDERSTAND OUR SURPRISE WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.

SO HELP US DEVELOP SOMETHING, HELP US COME UP WITH THE SYSTEM, DON'T JUST BLINDLY SAY THAT IS GIVEN TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY THAT IS A BIG GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, WE NEED TO CREATE TO THE JUDGE WILL GIVE A CARBON COPY AND GET THOSE REPORTS IF THEY'RE SIMPLE THAT YOU CAN.

OUT, INCLUDE THEM IN THERE, IF THEY'RE SIMPLE THAT YOU CAN E-MAIL, SEND THEM BY E-MAIL I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH, HELP US COME UP WITH SOMETHING, GONE ARE THE DAYS TO BE VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED TO WORK CLOSELY, JUDGE NEILL WAS AN EXPERT WITH GONE THROUGH TRANSITION WITH DIFFERENT STRINGS AT THE COURTHOUSE ON STAFF THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO DO. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT I DO AGREE AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED COMMISSIONER TO BE ON MY INSURANCE COMMITTEE AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR HR DEPARTMENT DOES GET NOTIFICATIONS BUT HIS NOTIFICATIONS CLEARLY HAVE VERY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION ON THERE THAT HE CANNOT FORWARD BUT HE COULD POSSIBLY FOR OUR SAKE IN THE COUNTY, WITH A LIST TO SEND TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THERE IS A CASE IN THE HOSPITAL AND I THINK THIS IS HIGH-RISK, HIGH COST WHAT ALARMS, I'VE SEEN THEM AND THEY'VE COME TO ME SOME OF THE DISCONNECT ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED TO TRANSFER OUR VERY RECENT CASES AND I HATE TO SAY THIS IN COURT BUT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY THAT THE COUNTY DID NOT DO HER POSITION CORRECTLY, POSSIBLY IT'S AN ADDED COST THERE IS A LOT OF INSURANCE DEALING WITH INSURANCE THAT WE ALL KNOW IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CLAIM YOU HAVE THAT YOU CONTINUE A LONG TIME BEFORE YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR BILL IS IN THE END, IF YOU HAVE A SURGERY OR SOMETHING IT TAKES A WHILE I HEAR YOU AND I UNDERSTAND THE

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WHEN WE GET INTO SITUATIONS LIKE TWHEN I SAW 14 MILLION BUDGETED FOR THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION IS ONLY TWO WHAT KIND OF COMPANY CAN WITHSTAND THAT FOR TOO LONG THAT IS WITHOUT THE 4 MILLION THAT WE ARE STILL WAITING ON THESE BILLS THAT IS GOING TO POSSIBLY BE 16 OR 18 MILLION, WE HAVE TO WORK ON THIS, I AGREE AND I THINK IT'S WHY WE WANTED TO SIT DOWN INTO OTHER DISCUSSIONS WHILE I PUT THE COMMISSION ON THE TEAM AND I THINK WE CAN MOVING FORWARD BUT WE HAVE TO DO BETTER.

I AGREE. >> WOULD YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW

WHEN I SPEAK. >> IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND.

>> I DON'T WANT TO RESPOND I'M NOT A POLITICIAN AND I SHOULD NOT BE RESPONDING TO ANYTHING. I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE INSTRUCTED ME TO HAVE THEM

PREPARED FOR YOU ALL. >> YOU DID COME TO MY OFFICE WITH EVERY CLAIM. THE FIVE SUPPOSED TO NEGOTIATE.

>> I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU I NEED TO BE TOLD BY THE COURT OR THE JUDGE I DON'T RESPOND TO INDIVIDUAL FROM A COMMISSIONER BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIND APPROPRIATE I DON'T WORK FOR ANY ONE COMMISSIONER I WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND I DO CONSULTING WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND BEYOND THE COUNTY YET EXCELLENT WORK DONE YOU MAY NOT RECKON AS IT MAY BE AVERAGE BY SOME PEOPLE'S CONSIDERATION NOT BY MINE AND NOT BY THE PERSON IN THE FIELD AND PROBABLY THE BEST IN TOWN THAT KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING GOD AND THAT'S FINE YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR ME IF YOU WANT EXTENSION TIME AND IN THE FUTURE I'M GIVING YOU TWO PROPOSALS OF WHICH I ASK YOU TO PICK ONE WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANTED.

>> THAT WILL COME UP ON OUR NEXT MEETING.

>> I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE, AT THIS POINT AM AND O THE HEALTH INSURANCE TO PAY FOR. BASICALLY WE ARE GETTING OUR RESERVES. JUDGE I HAVE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS INTO EXECUTIVE I HAVE SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS AND

WE CAN HOLD OFF. >> WHAT WOULD THE CODE BE WHEN I

GET READY. >> YOU CAN TAKE ANY ITEM WITH YOUR ATTORNEY CLIENT CONFERENCE BUT AS WITH THE OTHER ISSUE IF YOU COULD SEND ME THE LEGAL QUESTION I CAN BEGIN THE

RESEARCH. >> I WILL SEND IT TO YOU.

>> IF YOU DEEM IT UNWORTHY I DON'T REALLY WANT TO BRING IT OUT HERE AND ACCIDENTALLY SLANDER ANYBODY.

>> I WILL NEED THE CODE FOR LATER WERE ACTUALLY GOING THERE.

>> WHEN YOU SAY RESERVES DID INTEREST ALREADY AND THAT WE PUT

IN THE RESERVE ALREADY. >> ONLY INTEREST IS IN THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW WE MAKE ALL OF IT, NOT THE SHARES.

>> ALL OF IT. >> ALL WE HAD WAS $4 MILLION.

>> ESSENCE IN THE BOOKS. >> WHETHER IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND, THE CEOS OR WHEREVER IT BELONGS.

>> ARE RESERVE FUNDS ARE BASICALLY LEFT OVER MONEY.

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>> SOMETIMES I GET CONFUSED WITH THE NUMBERS C.

>> I J AND THE ONES YOU SENT MEO HAS TO BE MORE THAN $4 MILLION

IN. >> WHERE IS THE ACCOUNT.

>> THE WHOLE THING. >> OUR RECORDS SHOW THE REVENUE EXPENSE FOR INTEREST FOR THE GENERAL FUND WE HAVE FOR

5 MILLION. >> THAT'S 4.5 WE ONLY HAVE 4.5

THE ESTIMATED FOUR TO CONVEY. >> THIS IS ALL HE IS REQUESTING TO TRANSFER THE WISE 4.5. THE HEALTH INSURANCE.

YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE OTHER FIVE DAYS.

>> WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM THAT WE HAD TO MEET BEFORE, I WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVE THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 21 FOR FISCAL YEAR

'20 TWO, 23. >> THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER 21 FOR 23 MAJORITY OF THE REQUEST ARE NORMAL REQUEST AND THE LARGEST ONE ON PAGE TWO AND THE SHERIFF IS REQUESTING OF OVERTIME BECAUSE OVERTIME IS SIGNIFICANT OF A LARGE AMOUNT.

THERE ARE THINGS TO COVER THIS BUT THERE ARE MORE CHARGES THAT THEY MAY HAVE AFTER THIS BUT THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THIS REQUEST. ESTIMATE THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER OF 2021, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BE GLAD TO ANSWER

THEM. >> IS THAT 2 MILLION INCLUDE THE

JAIL IN THE KITCHEN OR WHAT? >> HERE WE HAD A LISTED AT 1 MILLION INCLUDE IN THE KITCHEN.

>> THAT IS WHAT THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER FROM LAST YEAR.

>> THIS IS PAYING FOR WHAT WE WERE READY DONE, THAT IS NOT

NEXT YEAR'S DEAL. >> THIS IS 23 TO MAY 24.

>> THAT IS A BUDGET. >> TO START NOW.

>> THIS IS ALREADY FOR THIS YEAR.

>> I MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS THE CHANGE ORDER.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> THE OPPOSE, SAME TIME. >> THE MOTION PASSES.

I NEED COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ TO COME BACK FOR THIS NEXT VOTE.

ALTHOUGH WE WILL, IT DEPENDS. >> I THINK IT'S WHOEVER IS HERE.

>> IF THAT IS RIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CHECK THAT THERE'S NO PHYSICAL WAY WE CAN DO IT 70S IN THE BATHROOM AND CAN,.

>> YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE FIVE OF THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION FOR THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING DEAL, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE OR WHO IS PRESENT UNANIMOUS WE WERE TOLD BEFORE.

>> ARE WE STILL WAITING ON JENNY TO DECIDE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION, I HAD TO READ ALL OF THIS WE CAN'T JUST DO IT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER WHETHER THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 725 DELIBERATION OF THE MEETING WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING CONTRACT BEING NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND NUECES COUNTY THERE IS AN ASSOCIATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 174 TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT RELATED OF SPECIAL COUNSEL WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I.

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. I ALSO HAVE A REQUEST TO NOT RECORD EXECUTIVE BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT.

>> SO MOVED. >> ONE MAY BE RECORDED BY LAW.

>> IS THE BARGAINING. >> ANYTHING RECORDED BY LAW.

>> NO. >> JUST LEGAL ADVICE DOES NOT

REQUIRE. >> 551 07 254 CONTRACT

NEGOTIATION. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

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>> IT IS A SPECIAL LEGALIZED BRIEFING TO THE ACT THAT SIMPLY ALLOWS US WERE TO GET A LEGAL BRIEFING.

>> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IT ALLOWS US BECAUSE OF THE OPINION THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THE PHYSICAL ASSET, IT'S NOT PART OF A LEGAL BRIEFING. SO WE ARE NOT RECORDING IT.

>> WE ARE NOT RECORDING. >> I MAKE A MOTION NOT TO RECORD EXECUTIVE SESSION TODAY. ALL OF THEM.

>> IS CERTIFIED. >> CERTIFIED YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL

ME THAT IS MY MOTION. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WHAT IS THE REAL REASON. >> WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE

LAST FEW. >> I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

I'M JUST SAYING WE GO BACK AND FORTH.

WHY WHAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

A RECORDED AGENDA. >> HE JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE VIDEO RECORDING HE WANTS TO DO ALL OF THEM CERTIFIED HE WANTED TO HAVE A MOTION TO DO THEM ALL BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME INSTANT WE WOULD REQUIRE TO DO THE VIDEO FOR THE TAPED AUDIO RECORDING IN A POLICY CHANGE. IN A POLICY CHANGE, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON WHETHER TO DO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A COMPELLING REASON ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT IT

DOESN'T HURT MY FEELINGS. >> THAT'S ALL I HAD JUDGE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ARE YOU RETRACTING YOUR MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF NOT RECORDING EXECUTIVE SESSION U.S.

CERTIFIED AGENDA, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN.

[4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.]

WE ARE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REPUBLIC NOTICE IS GIVEN, COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ANYTIME DURING MEETINGS TO DISCUSS MATTERS LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE PROVISION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT CHAPTER 551 OF THE LOCAL TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO THE EXTENT THERE HAS BEEN A PAST PRACTICE WAS A DISTINGUISHED ITEMS FOR DELIBERATION AND THOSE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, THE PUBLIC IS ADVISED OF THE COURT IS DEPARTING FROM THE PRACTICE AND RESERVES THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS ANY LISTED AGENDA ITEM IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO DO SO.

IN THE EVENT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT LIKES TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING AN AGENDA ITEM SECTION OR SECTIONS OF THE OPEN MEETING AUTHORIZING EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TEXAS CODE SECTION 551.0 71551.0 72, 551.0 73, 551.0 74, 55 0 45, 551.0 76, 551.0 76, 551.0 87, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL HOLD IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEYS INCLUDING MATTERS RELATING TO LITIGATION, DELIVERY REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, THE PERSPECTIVE GIVES PERSONAL MATTERS INCLUDING TERMINATION COUNTY ADVISORY BODIES, SECURITY DEVICES AND/OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATION AND OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION UPON COMPLETION OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THE COMMISSIONER COURT MAY ENTER AN OPEN SESSION TAKE ACTION AS APPROPRIATE ON ANY ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO 551.0 72, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO LITERALLY A BUSINESS AND FINANCIAL ISSUES RELATING TO BE NEGOTIATED TO THE COUNTY AND NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ASSOCIATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 174 LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

ITEM B CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OUTSIDE COUNSEL REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2022 CCB 61374 MARIA KRISTOF AND NUECES COUNTY AND NUECES COUNTY RELATED FOR TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 71 ITEM C CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY HAD ATTORNEY FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT FOR CITY OPERATED NUECES COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT HAD A COUNTY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES AND RELATED MATTERS TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 71 ITEM D CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE CITY COUNTY ENTER LOCAL AGREEMENT REGARDING NEW APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLAT WITHIN THE TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF CRYPT ENTER CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 71 ITEM E2 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER

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>> THE HEALTH INSURANCE COV COVERAGE.

>> I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE 551 07 ONE WHICH WOULD BE ATTORNEY-CLIENT, 551.0 71 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

IT IS 10:59 A.M. AND WE ARE GOING TO EXECUTIVE.

THANK YOU. THINK ITEM A ON THE CAUSE OF

[5. OPEN SESSION: Following Executive Session, the Commissioners Court will reconvene the Regular Meeting prior to taking any action(s) on matters considered in Executive Session.]

[A. Discuss and consider taking action in Case No. 2022-CCV-61337-4, Maria Krauskopf, et al. v. Nueces County, Texas, et al; In Nueces County Court at Law #4; and related matters.]

MOTION. >> I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON EITHER REQUEST FOR ITEM FIVE DAY.

SECOND I THINK THAT WAS THE REQUEST FOR MEDIATION.

>> YES. >> I SECOND THAT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM --

>> TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR MEDIATION, REQUEST WAS GIVEN.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

[2. Discuss and consider transferring the following Commissioners Court Administration positions under the County Judge: 1. Executive Secretary 2. Budget Assistant; discuss and consider revising the job description of the Commissioners Court Administration 'Executive Secretary' position to a new job title with refined duties as recommended by the Human Resources Director, and related matters.]

>> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES.

THE NEXT MOTION IS ITEM E TO WE ARE MAKING A MOTION TO ELIMINATE THE DEPARTMENT OF COURT ADMINISTRATION, DO HAVE TO DO TWO SEPARATE AND REASSIGN THE TWO EMPLOYEES LISTED, I THANK YOU WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT, REASSIGN THE TWO POSITIONS TO THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THAT WOULD BE THE BUDGET ASSISTED AND THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY BUT CHANGING THE TITLE AND THE JOB

DESCRIPTION. >> WE CAN'T REASSIGN UNTIL WE DO

THE FIRST PART OF IT. >> A MOTION TO ELIMINATE THE DEPARTMENT AS THE END OF THE YEAR SEPTEMBER 30 OF COURT

ADMINISTRATION. >> WITH THE REDUCTION IN FORCE.

>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS ELIMINATING THE DEPARTMENT I DID

NOT KNOWING NEEDED TO SAY THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

>> RIGHT NOW IT IS A REDUCTION BECAUSE WE ARE ELIMINATING FOR

REDUCTION. >> YES.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN.

NOW I HAVE A MOTION TO TRANSFER THE POSITION OF BUDGET ASSISTED TO THE COUNTY JUDGE, WHERE IS MY PAPERWORK TO THE OFFICE OF COUNTY JUDGE IN THE NEW JOB TITLE FOR THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY TO THE COUNTY JUDGE COURT AGENDA COORDINATOR.

I THANK YOU HAVE SOME CHANGES. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SECOND THAT

AND CHANGE THAT. >> JUDGE I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE JOB TITLE TO COURT AGENDA COORDINATOR LEADING OFF THE COUNTY JUDGE LANGUAGE AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INCLUDE SOMEWHERE IN HERE AND THAT THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS HAVE A DOTTED LINE REPORTING TO THE REST OF THE COURT.

>> IT IS UNDER THE COUNTY JUDGE TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS

COURT. >> I WILL ACCEPT AS AN AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

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I THANK YOU HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.

ARE YOU GOING TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR THE 19TH.

>> YES. >> HAVE A MOTION ON THE THIRD WITH THE POSITION ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT THAT WE ARE DOING AWAY WITH THAT THAT POSITION BE APPROVED OR REASSIGN

ON THE 19TH. >> YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE AGENDA OF THE 19TH TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE POSITION.

>> TO STUDY TO THE 19TH AGENDA.

>> RIGHT. >> THE REDUCTION YOU WANT TO TAKE THE ONE THAT IS STILL THERE AND PUT IT ON FOR

RECONSIDERATION OF THE 19TH? >> THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION THAT

I WOULD SECOND. >> SO MOVED.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME TIME.

THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU I THINK THAT WAS ALL THE ITEMS WE HAD TO DO AFTER EXECUTIVE, I DID NOT MISS

ANYTHING RIGHT? >> WERE YOU GOING TO MAKE A

MOTION ON AS ONE. >> I THOUGHT WE DID NOT HAVE A

MOTION ON THAT ONE. >> CAN I ASK YOU.

>> WE DID HAVE A MOTION ON THAT, SORRY.

>> YOU NEED TO FACTOR IN WHAT WE DID ON THE REDUCTION ENFORCEMENTS TO PUT THAT BACK ON THE BUDGET OR PUT THAT INTO THE

BUDGET AS REQUESTED. >> (INAUDIBLE).

>> INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. >> ON ITEM F1, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REMINDING ME, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, WITH THIS TRANSFER IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE OUR NEXT BUDGET TOTALS OR HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BALANCE MOVING FORWARD?

>> THE BALANCE WILL REDUCE OUR RESERVES SO THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN EFFECT ON YOUR BUDGET EXPENSE REVENUES IT JUST HAS A REDUCTION

OF RESERVES. >> WHAT DID YOU JUST ASK.

>> I ASKED ON F1 IF THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR BEGINNING BALANCE OF WHAT WERE GOING INTO WITH THE BUDGET, IT WILL DROP OUR BEGINNING BALANCE FROM 28 - 24.

>> CORRECT. >> THAT IS A BIG DEAL THAT'S

WHAT WERE WORRIED ABOUT. >> THE MAJORITY WILL GO TO 12 SOME WILL GO TO 13 BUT THE MAJORITY IS A GENERAL FUND I WOULD ASSUME 95% WILL BE GENERAL FUND.

>> WE ARE READY HAD 28 AND WE HAVE FOR AN INTEREST.

>> BEFORE IS INCLUDED IN THE 28. >> I'M JUST SAYING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT 28 OR 26 WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT WHAT MADE UP THE 20 NOW OVERTHINK IT IS THE 20 BUT WE STILL HAVE INTEREST OUT THERE THAT WERE GOING TO ADD.

>> DID YOU REMEMBER THE ESTIMATED REVENUES TO PROVIDE YOU THE OTHER DAY ON A BUDGET SURPLUS ALL SOURCES OF REVENUE INCLUDING INTEREST. AT THE TIME ESTIMATED $4 MILLION

OF INTEREST. >> I'M GOING TO SAY ONE MORE TIME I THINK IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN $4 MILLION OF INTEREST.

>> IN MAY I DID THE ESTIMATE AND IS PROBABLY MORE NOW BUT THAT IS

THE BEST I COULD DO. >> DAILY CHANGES, OKAY.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BETWEEN MAY AND NOW.

>> BETWEEN MAY AND NOW THERE'S BEEN THREE FEDERAL RESERVE FROM THE FEDERAL RATES AND ADDITIONAL COST OF THE INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY SO THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAPPENED.

>> BACK TO JUSTICE ITEM. THAT IS PART OF THE BUDGET.

>> IS A LINE OF QUESTIONING, YOU ARE ASKING US TODAY TO BE

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ALREADY. >> IT BALANCES OFF OF EVERY BIT OF INTEREST INCLUDING THERE MAY BE A SMALLER PORTION THAT IS NOT ESTIMATED BECAUSE WHEN I ESTIMATED MAY NOW WE'RE IN AUGUST AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT OCCURRED IN A PERIOD OF TIME THAT COULD BE HIGHER BUT I JUST RAN SOME REPORTS FROM OUR FILES AND AS OF AUGUST 4 MILLION.

>> IS IN THE BOOKS AS INTEREST. >> INCLUDED IN THE 28 THAT IS

ALREADY TALKING ABOUT. >> HE CAN'T BE INCLUDED.

>> HOW IS IT INCLUDED IN THE 20 IS.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND THE REVENUE YOU WILL SEE THE INTEREST OF $4 MILLION. THAT IS HOW IT IS INCLUDED.

>> YOU DID SAY THERE IS A SMALL PORTION.

>> THERE IS A SMALL PORTION MCCUE SET A SMALL PORTION NOT

INCLUDED. >> I COULD BE UNDERESTIMATED WE HAD INCREASE OF RATES THE BANKS HAVE INCREASED THEIR RATES.

AS OF MAY I DID THE BEST I CO COULD.

>> IT IS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FEDS DO.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE, I CAN GO TO THE EXACT PAGE IF YOU

WANT ME TO. >> ON PAGE 10 OF YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET INTEREST IN REVENUE $4 MILLION AS ESTIMATES ON PAGE

10. >> THE $28 MILLION OF RESERVES YOU COUNTED $4 MILLION OF INTEREST, YOU ARE TELLING US TODAY THE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY INTEREST THAT WE HAVE IN ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS, THE NICE GENTLEMAN WHO PROVIDED THE REPORTS ALL OF THE INTEREST IS ACCOUNTED FOR AND THERE IS 0 LEFT IN THE INTEREST-BEARING ACCOUNT THAT WE CAN USE, IS THAT RIGHT?

>> WHAT I DID THE ESTIMATES IT IS 4 MILLION BUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

IT COULD BE 3.3, THAT NUMBER IS IN HER BOOKS AND UNLESS WE DO OUR FULL EVALUATION OF OUR NUMBERS AND I PUT THE REAL NUMBERS IN THE COULD BE 4.6, 4.7 OF INTEREST IT COULD BE HIGHER.

>> AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER WE MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER FIVE OR

$600,000 OF INTEREST. >> OR 2 MILLION.

>> HE SAID 4.6600000 MILLION. >> WHEN I RAN AFTER AUGUST IT'S

4.6. >> WHEN I RAN MY INTEREST THAT WAS RECORDED FROM OCTOBER TO JULY WAS 4.6 FOR THE GENERAL

FUND. >> THAT'S IT FROM AUGUST,

SEPTEMBER. >> THREE MONTHS STILL RECORDED

ANYWHERE A MONTH FROM INTEREST. >> IN ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS OR

WHAT ACCOUNT. >> WITH MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS WHERE THE MAIN OPERATING ACCOUNT WE HAVE AN INTENSIVE CLASS, MULTIPLE INVESTMENTS THAT FUND INTEREST.

>> HOW MUCH IS THAT TOTAL. THAT'S WHY I COULD NOT GET OFF THE REPORT EITHER, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TOTAL INTEREST THAT WE HAVE IN ANY ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE, TEXAS CLASS, JOE CLASS, FRED CLASS, I DON'T CARE ANY CLASS THAT'S WHAT

I CANNOT GET THE ANSWER TO. >> WE DON'T GET OUR BANK STATEMENT INTEREST UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH, WE RECEIVED AUGUST SO WE WILL NOT GET THE AUGUST NUMBERS IN A FEW WEEKS WILL START PUTTING THE MEN TO RECORD THE INTEREST AND FROM AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER WE HAVE TREATMENTS OF INTEREST TO GO AND UNLESS I GET THE FULL BALANCE I CANNOT TELL YOU THE EXACT AMOUNT OF INTEREST THAT WOULD BE THERE TO INCLUDE OTHERWISE.

I WOULD SAY IF WE DO ON AVERAGE ROUGHLY.

>> EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY ACCOUNT?

>> YES. >> WITH THE GENERAL FUND EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY ACCOUNT THAT WE GARDNER INTEREST ON.

>> WERE TALKING MILLION. IF WE DO FUND 19, 12, THIS, WERE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF IT AND WE CAN'T TOUCH 19 OR 13 BECAUSE

FUND 19 IS OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. >> WAIT LET ME DO IT ONE AT A

TIME FACTOR IN GETTING TO. >> CAPITAL PROJECTS, OBLIGATIONS REQUIRED INTEREST TO BE THE MONEY THAT IS THERE WE CANNOT DO

IT. >> WE CANNOT USE IT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE CAPITAL PROJECT. WE CAN USE IT FOR THE ROOF?

[02:05:01]

>> YES. >> THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRAINED TO GET TO AND I HAVE NOT GOT IT YET.

HOW MUCH IS IN FUND 19 CAUTION. CAUTION.

HOW MUCH IS IN FUND 19, INTEREST THAT IS NOT ASSIGNED ALLOCATED OR DEDICATED TO ANYTHING, FUND 19.

>> WHERE WE ALLOCATED SOME OF THE BALANCE WITH THE FUN FOR ME.

>> 1901 IS NOT A SEO THAT IS CAPITAL BUT THAT IS NOT A SPECIFIC SEO IT IS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU CREATED 1901 IS NOT FOR SEO'S, THAT IS IMPORTANT.

1901 IS NOT A SEO. THAT IS FOR GENERAL SO THE INTEREST CAN GO TO THE GENERAL FUND.

>> THAT CAN GO TO GENERAL FUND. >> WE ALLOCATE.

WHAT IS 1901? >> WE DID A LIST AND HOW MUCH WE

HAD IN EACH OF OUR DEALS. >> THE LIST WAS NOT ACCURATE.

>> I GAVE IT TO YOU I GIVE YOU ALL THE NUMBERS.

>> IT WAS NOT CORRECT OR ACCURATE.

>> RIGHT. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH

IS IN THERE. >> I HAVE LORENZO BRING

EVERYTHING BACK UP FOR YOU ALL. >> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THE WHAT IS THE NEXT FUND THAT YOU'RE RATTLING OFF.

>> COMMISSIONER FOR ALL THE INTEREST THAT WE HAD EARNED THIS IS WHENEVER I RAN THE REPORT ON AUGUST 26.

THIS IS 1901 WE HAD $130,187.1915 WE HAD 1600.

>> ALL THE OTHER CEOS ARE RESTRICTED AND YOU CANNOT USE IT

ON ANYTHING OTHER SEO STUFF. >> WHAT IS 1915 THAT IS A SEO EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN 1901 IN THE FUND 19 IS THE CEO.

>> 1901 HAS 130,000, $187 AND THE REST OF THE CEOS HAVE

$1,974,128. >> IT COULD BE USED TOWARDS THE

ROOF. >> THAT COULD BE USED TOWARD THE RIVER ANY OTHER CAPITAL PROJECT. WHENEVER WE RECOGNIZE THE REVENUE. PERIOD TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT LIKE I DID THIS LAST YEAR WHERE WE MOVE THE FUNDS TO UNALLOCATED AND THE COMMISSIONERS COURT CHOOSES TO

ALLOCATE THE FUNDS. >> THE WORD BUDGET TODAY WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS, ANY OTHER FUNDS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE HOUSE INTEREST THAT WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED FUND 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 15 DOES NOT HAVE INTEREST I TAKE THAT BACK, ALL

THE OTHER FUNDS HAVE INTEREST. >> ROAD AND BRIDGE.

IT IS RESTRICTED FOR USE FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE.

>> THIS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT THIS IS THE STUFF THAT WE NEED TO HAVE BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT CAN'T SUPPLEMENT AND IF WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING

ABOUT IT. >> IS IN THE ESTIMATED ACTUALS.

ALL THE REVENUES THAT WERE ESTIMATED.

>> I ASKED WITH THIS REPORT FOR YOUR OFFICE FROM THREE TIMES AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT. I ASKED FOR REPORT TO PUT IT ON ONE PAGE THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR TO PUT ON ONE PAGE THAT HAD ALL THE INTEREST ACCOUNTS ON ONE PAGE THAT TOTALED IT ALL BUT SO I DID NOT HAVE TO DIG THROUGH 67000 PAGES OF BUDGET STUFF IS HIDDEN OR NOT HIDDEN AND HARD TO FIND I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE SUMMARY FOR A WEEK AND A HALF THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

IF THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ON THE 4 MILLION THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT THEN I WILL MOVE ON BUT I'M SURE NOT GOING TO MOVE OUT OF THE BUDGET WITHOUT THE STUFF BECAUSE I HAVE TO KNOW

IT. >> FUND 12 AS OF AUGUST IS $92048 IN INTEREST. THAT IS ROAD AND BRIDGE.

WHAT IS NEXT. >> FUND 13 IS FUNDS THAT INCLUDES YOUR REGULAR MANAGEMENT, IMAGING, DISTRICT COUNTY CLERK AND ALL YOUR FEES THE PAY OF THE TOTAL REVENUE.

[02:10:01]

>> ENTER. >> INTEREST, THAT'S WHAT I N ME.

>> 1 MILLION TWITTER 9047. >> THAT IS INTEREST-ONLY THAT IS NOT THE FLOW COMING ONTO THE SPECIAL FUNDS.

>> FUND 14 WHICH IS A FIGURE. >> IS A RESTRICTION ON THAT THAT HAS TO BE RELATED TO WHATEVER THE REVENUE IS DIRECTED TO OKAY.

>> WE HAVE FEDERAL FORFEITURES, STATE FORFEITURES.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES THOSE.

>> ACTUALLY NO, SOME OF THE SPECIAL FUNDS IT SAYS IT HAS TO STAY WITH THAT FUND, SOME OF IT DOES NOT, DEPENDS ON THE FUND.

YOU HAVE TO GO BY DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHICH ONE IS RESTRICTED BASED ON THE STATUTES AND WHICH ONES AREN'T.

>> THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN.

14 IS THE FAIRGROUNDS IN THE BALANCE IS $65076.

SIX TO 5000 WHAT. >> $65070.

>> THE LIBRARY IS $105. >> KEEP GOING, FOR THE COUNTY AIRPORT. 6839.

>> AVENUE BOARD WE GOT. >> A LOT.

>> AND 70 PUT THAT ON A SUMMARY SHEET, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR I DON'T WANT TO WASTE THE COURTS TIME BUT THIS IS ALL I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR CAN SOMEONE DO THAT BEFORE WE GET TO BUDGET, IS THERE ANY INTEREST AFTER THAT WE CAN USE TO AVOID GETTING THIS OUT OF THE RES RESERVES.

>> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION THAT I WANT TO ASK.

>> WHAT IS ON THE FIRST ITEM THAT YOU TOLD THE BALANCE.

1901, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL BALANCE THAT GAVE US THE

INTEREST. >> THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING THEIR AFFRONTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT IS USED TO START THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND THE END OF THE YEAR SO I CAN'T TELL

YOU. >> YOU PULL MONEY OUT.

>> I DON'T PULL ANY MONEY OUT THE STATE DOES.

>> WHAT WAS A BALANCE ON THE DEPARTMENT NUMBER THAT GOT US TO

THE INTEREST. >> AGAIN YOU HAVE TO GO FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND GO TO THE

TRANSACTIONS. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS BUT WHAT MIGHT IT BE, WHAT IS

USUALLY IN THEIR. >> WHAT CAN IT BE SPEND ON.

>> I WANT TO BALANCE. >> THE BEGINNING BALANCE OF THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, LAST YEAR'S BALANCE.

>> 1901 MADE $140,000 YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT A MILLION, I DON'T KNOW I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VERY

BEGINNING. >> IS THAT MORE OR LESS RIGHT AND WHAT THE INTEREST RATE THAT THEY'RE GIVING US, THE BALANCE

THAT WE HAVE AN. >> INTEREST AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WAS 3.5 COMMENSURATE NOW 6.2.

SO YOU TELL ME. >> NO, YOU TELL ME, YOU ARE THE

AUDITOR. >> IT CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR END THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, I CANNOT SAY.

>> IT'S JUST SOME OF THE BALANCE FIGURES THAT YOU GAVE SEEMED KIND OF LOW TO ME AND I ALSO KNOW WHAT DEPENDS ON THE BALANCE THAT WE HAVE IN THE BANK SO WE CAN GENERATE THE MONIES.

THAT IS ALL I'M ASKING WHAT WAS THE BALANCE IN ON THE 15TH SOMETHING, WHAT WAS THAT BALANCE.

>> COMMISSIONER, EVERY YEAR THE FUND BALANCE, YOU TAKE YOUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE PLUS ALL THE REVENUES AND ALL THE FUNDS IN ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS MINUS ALL OF THE EXPENSES IN ALL THE FUNDS AND ALL THE ACCOUNTS TO GET YOUR ENDING FUND BALANCE.

THAT FUND A BALANCE THAT WE GIVE YOU THAT IS AN ACTUAL NUMBER ALREADY INCLUDES ALL THE PREVIOUS YEARS INTEREST.

WE HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT REVENUE. >> TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE A LOW INTEREST FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I'M THINKING THAT WE HAVE

IN THEIR. >> THOSE BOOKS WERE AUDITED BY OUR EXTERNAL AUDITORS. THOSE REVENUES ARE ACCURATE, THEY HAVE BEEN VERIFIED BY OUTSIDE SOURCES.

ALL THE REVENUES HAVE BEEN REPORTED, THERE IS NO REVENUE

THAT WE ARE HIDING. >> EVERY TIME THAT WE ASK WE END UP WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS, FIRST IT WAS 30 MILLION THEN

20 MILLION DEFICIT. >> THAT IS NOT ON US.

>> IT IS ON SOMEBODY. >> IT IS ON THE APPRAISAL

DISTRICT. >> COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE GOOD AFTERNOON IT MAY BE WORTH POINTING OUT THE INTEREST RATES IN PREVIOUS YEARS HAVE BEEN A LOT LOWER THAN TODAY SO KEEP

THAT IN MIND. >> WE ARE VERY THANKFUL.

[02:15:01]

>> THANK YOU. >> WE ARE VERY THANKFUL AND IN ALL OF THIS, EVERYBODY HAS WORKED VERY HARD AND WE NEED TO ASK HER QUESTIONS EVERYONE BUT LET'S KEEP IN MIND WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, THIS IS A DIFFICULT YEAR WITH THIS BUDGET.

I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, I BEEN DEALING WITH THIS AS WELL AND THEY HAVE AS WELL WITH AUDITORS, I MEAN WITH AUDITORS OFFICE, WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WITH NUMBERS CHANGING, WITH HER AND BALANCE BUT BASICALLY ALL WE NEED TO WORK MOVING FORWARD IS OUR FUND BALANCE THAT THEY SAY WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDED THAT WE CAN USE IS 28 MILLION BEGINNING GOING FORWARD. IF WE PAY THE 4 MILLION FOR THIS INSURANCE, THAT IS GOING TO DROP US DOWN TO 24 BEGINNING.

WE HAVE TO PAY FOR BILLS, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR INSURANCE, I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN GET A SECOND ON THE MOTION BAR HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED. IF WE WANT TO TRANSFER BITS AT A TIME BUT WE WILL ALL STILL HAVE TO FACTOR THIS INTO OUR BUDGET WITH THE HEALTH AND INSURANCE CLAIMS THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING COMING ALONG AS WELL. I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE

TRANSFER. >> SO MOVE.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER, IT IS ALL GENERAL REVENUE, RESERVES OR GENERAL REVENUE. I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR CHANGES, NOBODY IS HAPPY ABOUT THIS, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE, AND YOU POST, SAME SIGN, MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU. NOW WE CAN BEGIN THE OTHER TASK

[1. Discuss and consider adoption of an Order approving the 2023 tax roll; setting the 2023 tax rate for the Nueces County Hospital District; and levying said tax rate against all taxable property in Nueces County for 2023.]

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> AFTERNOON JUDGING COMMISSIONERS. IF THE COURT GOES WITH THE RECOMMENDED TAX RATE FROM THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE 4% ABOVE THE NO NEW RATE AND IF THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT YOU GO WITH, THEN THE ORDER THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET WILL NEED

TO BE ADJUSTED. >> IF THEY DON'T DO THE 4% AND THEY DO THE NO NEW REVENUE THEN THOSE NUMBERS WON'T CHANGE.

>> YES. >> THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT.

>> THE RATE THAT'S IN YOUR POCKET IS A VOTER APPROVED RATE NOW IS THE ONE THAT WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, COMING AND ASKING FOR SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, 4% ABOVE THE NO NEW RATE.

>> SHEN THAT WE APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SPECIFIC WAY WE HAVE TO MOTION THIS, I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO JUMP OUT.

>> THE NUMBER HAS TO BE READ O OUT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE THAT PAPERWORK ANYMORE.

>> I HAVE THE PAPERWORK, WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION I HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAVE TO READ.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS MAKING THE MOTION.

>> THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

>> THAT IS IT IT'LL BE THE SAME AS LAST YEAR.

>> THE 4% RATE GIVES THE SAME REVENUE.

>> THIS NEEDS TO BE READ FIRST BEFORE HIS MOTION.

>> THIS FIRST ORDER RECORD VOTE. >> THIS GETS READ AND I SAID THAT I MOVE IN THE WE TAKE THE RECORD VOTE.

YOU WANT TO BE THAT OUT OR DO YOU WANT US TO DO IT.

>> IF YOU WANT TO OR I CAN DO IT.

>> ALL READ IT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ WILL MAKE THE MOTION, THIS IS AN ORDER ACCEPTING AND IMPROVING THE 2023 TAX RULE SET IN THE 2023 TAX RATES IS THROUGH NUECES

[02:20:03]

THEREFORE BE AWARDED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT THE 2023 TAX ROLL AS EMITTED BY NUECES COUNTY TAX APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO THE NUECES COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR IS APPROVED IN THE FOLLOWING TAX RATE PER 100-DOLLAR VALUE IS SET AND LEVIED AGAINST ALL PROPERTY FOR 2023.

NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT.0 85242 PER $100, BE IT FURTHER ORDERED THAT EXISTING HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS FOR 2023 SHALL INCLUDE 20% FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION BUT NOT LESS THAN $5000.62500 FOR OVER AGE 65 OR DISABLED EXEMPTION.

PLUS EXEMPTIONS MANDATED BY STATE LAW AND BE IT FURTHER ORDERED THAT NO DISCOUNTS ARE TO BE ALLOWED FOR EARLY PAYMENT OF TAXES, SPLIT PAYMENT OF TAXES AS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 31.0 THREE OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED.

THE PROPOSED ORDER ACCEPTING AND IMPROVING THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE 2023 TAX RATES FOR THE NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND LEVYING TAX RATES AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY AND NUECES COUNTY HAVING BEEN READ PUBLIC, HAVING BEEN ALLOWED IN COMMENTS BEING CONSIDERED ON A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ,

GO AHEAD WITH YOUR MOTION. >> JUDGE WILL REASON I'M MAKING THIS MOTION IS BECAUSE YOU HEARD HIM SAY A WHILE AGO THAT THIS RATE WILL NOT, THIS WILL BE THE SAME AS LAST NOT INCREASED AND I

THANK YOU HI HEARD YOU SAY. >> HOLD ON.

>> YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION AS IT READS REALLY CANNOT COMMENT. IT IS INCREASING SHOULD.

>> YOU CANNOT MAKE THOSE COMMENTS, YOU HAVE TO STAY

EXACTLY. >> THE TAX RATE OF 0.0 85242 WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 4% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE.

>> DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> RECORD VOTE. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> AYE.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S. >> AYE.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. >> AYE.

>> I AM AND AYE. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SIGN THESE NOW OR WOULD YOU WANT ME TO DO. PUT THIS ASIDE.

[2. Discuss and consider adoption of the 2023-2024 Nueces County Hospital District Budget.]

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BUDGET. >> THE BUDGET IS THE ONE THAT IS

IN YOUR PACKET. >> SOMEWHERE.

>> IS THE ONE THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING.

>> IF I CAN GET A MOTION, OR DO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON THEIR

BUDGET MOTION TO ACCEPT. >> YOU JUST NEED TO STAY APPEAR,

DO YOU HAVE A CHAIR. >> AS PRESENTED, YES.

>> DO WE HAVE TO DO A RECORD VOTE.

>> I MOVED TO ADOPT THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED, THIS BUDGET WILL RAISE MORE TOTAL PROPERTY TAXES AND LAST YEAR'S BUDGET BY $2,038,854 OR 5.23% AND OF THAT AMOUNT, $820,354 IS TAXABLE REVENUE TO BE RAISED FROM NEW PROPERTY TO THE TAX ROLL OF THIS YEAR. DO I HAVE A SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. >> A MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >> AYE.

>> COMMISSIONER MATOS. >> AYE.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. >> AYE.

>> MYSELF. AYE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DO?

IS THAT CORRECT. >> WE LOOK LIKE WE'VE GOT

CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> ARE WE GOOD OR ARE WE WAITING ON YOU.

>> SORRY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THESE ARE BOTH RIGHT HERE.

[3. Discuss and consider adoption of an Order approving the 2023 tax roll; setting the 2023 tax rate for Nueces County; and levying said tax rate against all taxable property in Nueces County for 2023.]

>> DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER THREE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDER APPROVING THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE 2023 TAX RATE FOR NUECES COUNTY AND LEVYING SUCH TAX RATE AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY NUECES COUNTY AND THERE IS A THING I HAVE TO READ ON THIS ONE TOO.

, IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO READ YOUR MORE THAN WELCOME.

>> JUDGE, YOU ARE DOING GREAT. >> THANK YOU IN ORDER EXCEPT HE DID APPROVE THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE 2023 TAX RATES FOR NUECES COUNTY. I ASSUME THIS IS YOUR CURRENT ONE I WENT OFF ON WHAT I HAD IN MY POCKET.

EXCEPT HE DID APPROVE THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE 2023 TAX RATE FOR NUECES COUNTY AND LEAVY'S TOUCH TAX RATE AGAINST TAXABLE PROPERTY NUECES COUNTY FOR 2023.

WHERE IS THE COMMISSIONER COURT AUTHORIZE THE TAX EXCESS OR TO COMPUTE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE AND VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE FOR 2023 FOR THE COUNTY FARM TO MARKET AND LATERAL ROAD AND FLOOD AND WHEREAS NOTICE OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROPERTY TAX CODE AND RULES OF THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE PROPERTY TAX DIVISION APPEAR TO THE CORPUS CHRISTI TIMES FOR THE COUNTY FARM TO MARKET AND LATERAL ROAD IN FLORIDA ON AUGUST THE 30TH 2023.

AND WHEREAS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FINDS AND DETERMINES THAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE HAS BEEN FOLLOWED TO LAWFULLY CONSIDER THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR 2023 INCLUDING PROPER NOTICE OF THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2023 AS PROVIDED BY CHAPTER 551 GOVERNMENT CODE BURDENS TEXAS CODE AND WHEREAS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FINDS AND APPROVES SEPARATELY THE TAX RATE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR CONSISTING OF THE FOLLOWING TWO COMPONENTS.

THE DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE OF.0 37676 THAT IF APPLIED TO THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE WILL IMPOSE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TAXES NEEDED TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

NUMBER TWO, THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION TAX RATE OF .215 0 79

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THIS TAX RATE WILL RAISE MORE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION THAN LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE THIS TAX RATE WILL EFFECTIVELY BE RAISED BY 3.5 0% AND WILL RAISE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION ON 100,000-DOLLAR HOME BY APPROXIMATELY A NEGATIVE $34.51. THEREFORE BE ORDERED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT THE 2023 TAX ROLL AS EMITTED BY THE NUECES COUNTY TAX APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO THE ASSESSOR COLLECTOR IS APPROVED IN THE FOLLOWING TAX RATE PER 100 VALUE ARE SET AND LEVIED AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY FOR 2023, THE NUECES COUNTY GENERAL FUND AND IN NO .212160 PER $100, NUECES COUNTY FARM TO MARKET LATERAL ROAD AND FLOOD CONTROL .002919 PER $100 ITEM SEEN OASIS COUNTY TOTAL IN IN 0.215079 PER $100 AND ITEM D NUECES COUNTY DEBT SERVICE .037676 PER $100 THE TOTAL NUECES COUNTY TAX RATE ADD SEE ANDEE .2527 PER $100 YET FURTHER ORDERED THAT THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FOR 2023 SHALL INCLUDE 20% FOR HOMESTEAD BUT NOT LESS THAN $5000.62500 FOR OVER AGE 65 OR DISABLED EXEMPTION PLUS THE TAX LIMITATION ON THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT MAY BE IMPOSED ON THE RESIDENT HOMESTEAD OF A DISABLED INDIVIDUAL OR FOR THE SIX EVENT OLDER PURSUANT TO ARTICLE FOR A ONE BH OF THE CONSTITUTION BY STATE LAW THAT NO DISCOUNTS ARE TO BE ALLOWED FOR EARLY PAYMENT OF TAXES SPLIT PAYMENT OF TAXES OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE NOT BE ALLOWED THE PROPOSED ORDER ACCEPTING AND APPROVING THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE TAX 2023 AND LEVYING SAID TAX RATE AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY NUECES COUNTY HAVING BEEN READ PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVING BEEN ALLOWED IN COMMENTS HAVING BEEN CONSIDERED ON A MOTION, NOW I NEED TO READ THE MOTION AND GO BACK. ON A MOTION TO ADOPT A TOTAL TAX RATE OF .252755. I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX RATE OF .252755 WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 5.20% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS 3.5 IS ALL THAT WE CAN DO.

>> IT IS A 3.5 I'M NOT DOING 5.2 WE HAVE TO DO VOTER APPROVED.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE, LET'S CLARIFY.

I'M NOT DOING THIS. >> IT IS A 6.56% INCREASE, THE FIRST BUDGET BOOK SAYS 6.56% INCREASE.

>> IT IS ITS NEW REVENUE AND NEW GROWTH.

NEW GROWTH, NEW REVENUE. >> PER TAX CODE 26.05B OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE THERE IS A WORKSHEET THAT HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE STATE COMPTROLLER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TAXATION GUIDELINES THAT STIPULATES HOW THE RATES ARE CALCULATED IN THE LANGUAGE IN WHICH THE MOTION IS MADE THE MOTION FOR THE 5.2 WHICH IS RIGHT THERE TAKES THE NO NEW REVENUE TOTAL TAX RATE THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED TAX RATE, THEN YOU SUBTRACT OUT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND YOU TAKE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL TAX R RATE. IT IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL TAX RATE FROM THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND IT IS 5.20.

>> THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD GOES ON.

>> THIS IS NOT MY FAULT THAT IS THE REASON I HAVE TO PLUG THE NUMBERS INTO THE SOFTWARE IN ORDER TO GET THE FORMS TO

CALCULATE. >> I DID NOT SAY IT WAS YOUR

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FAULT. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I ABOUT HAD A HEART ATTACK. >> THAT INCLUDES THE DEBT SERVICE RATE, THE PROPERTY TAX CODE ALLOWS YOU TO ADOPT A DEBT SERVICE RATE THAT FULLY FUNDS YOUR DEBT.

YOU ARE FULLY FUNDED DEBT SERVICE RATE IS .037676 PER $100 OF PROPERTY. THAT FULLY FUNDED DEBT SERVICE RATE IS EXCLUDED WHENEVER YOU CALCULATE THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE. THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE IS SET BASED ON THE IMINO TAX RATES FOR THE GENERAL FUND, THE 3.5% HAS BEEN CALCULATED BY TAKING THE NO NEW REVENUE MNO TAX RATE FROM LINE 35 FROM THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE WORKSHEET.

THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED MNO TAX RATE WAS .215079 PER $100 OF EVALUATION. THEN YOU TAKE THIS YEARS, THEN YOU SUBTRACT OUT THIS YEAR'S NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF .007272 IN THAT GET YOU YOUR PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN MNO TAX RATE.

YOU DIVIDE THE .007272 BY THE NO NEW REVENUE MNO RATE THAT IS LINE 39 OF THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE WORKSHEET WHICH IS .07807 WHICH IS THREE AND HALF% INCREASE.

OKAY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HERE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT THAT SHE

JUST READ. >> TO REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD YOU AND YOU AGREE TO ADOPT YOU GET TO SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

>> I WISH YOU WOULD'VE GIVEN ME A LITTLE BIT OF A HINT.

REMEMBER I TOLD YOU THAT WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING.

>> OKAY. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE ADOPT THE TAX RATE BEFORE WE ADOPT THE TAX RATE DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO TAKE OUT WHAT WE DON'T

WANT. >> WE HAVE TO DO THE RATE FIRST.

>> I ASKED THAT TO. >> THEY REQUIRE US TO DO THE

RATE FOR. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

>> I HAVE MADE THAT MOTION AND MOVES, DO I HAVE A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THIS HAS TO BE A RECORD VOTE ON THE TAX RATE.

THE VOTER APPROVED 3.5% TAX RATE BUT THIS MOTION WITH ALL OF THE

LANGUAGE THAT SHE JUST READ OUT. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSION GO

TO THE BUDGET MAKE CUTS. >> THAT IS AFTERWARDS.

>> ADOPT THE BUDGET. >> WE HAVE TO DO THE RATE FOR.

>> WE ALL ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.

>> I DIDN'T MEAN TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ YOUR VOTE.

>> JUDGE I APOLOGIZE AND THIS IS NO REFLECTION ON YOU JUDGE BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE I HAVE SEEN WE HAVE NOT BEEN VERY GOOD STEWARDESS OF THE TAXPAYER MONEY.

SO FOR THIS REASON I AM IN NO NEW REVENUE TAX.

>> YOU ARE AGAIN. >> I AM AGAINST.

>> YOU ARE AGAINST THIS MOTION. >> 3.5.

>> I AM A NO. THAT'S THE REASON I'M IN NO.

>> IT'S OKAY WILL COME TO THAT MINUTE.

>> COMMISSIONER MAREZ BIMAH AYE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

>> NO SPINNAKER MR. GONZALEZ. >> NO.

>> AND I MAKE THE MOTION SO THE MOTION FAILS.

>> WE HAVE TO SAY THE COURT WANTS TO ADOPT.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE NO NEW REVENUE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> NO NEW REVENUE TAX. >> IS GOOD READING WHO COULD

MAKE THE MOTION. >> YOU HAVE TO READ THAT ALL OVER AGAIN BUT WITH THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

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>> IT DIDN'T PASS OR YOU WANT TO ADOPT ANOTHER ONE.

>> NO I DON'T KNOW. >> WE NEED A MOTION IF ANYBODY