[A. County Judge calls for the Invocation.] [00:00:23] >> THANK YOU LORD FOR THIS AWESOME DAY YOU HAVE GIVEN EVERYONE OF US TO BE HERE TODAY. WE HUMBLY GATHER TOGETHER AS SERVANTS OF YOU DOING OUR BEST TO SERVE YOU FOR YOUR GLORY IN YOUR HONOR AND YOU KNOW ALL THE MATTERS AT HAND FOR THIS COUNTY AS WE LIVE TO SHINE FOR YOUR GLORY ALL THE MATTERS AND DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS MADE MAY NOT BE PARALYZED BY CERTAIN PAUSES, WE JUST COME TO THIS POINT AND SAY GOD THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO STEP THROUGH THE DIFFICULTIES THAT YOU WILL TAKE US THROUGH MAY THE ELIMINATION THAT NEED TO HAPPEN THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAPPEN BE PREPARATION FOR WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IN THIS COUNTY. MAY YOU BLESS EVERY COMMISSIONER AND THE JUDGE TODAY AND ALL THE SERVANTS OF YOU, THIS COMMUNITY AS WERE HERE TO SERVE YOU AND THAT YOU WOULD GET US UP, OVER AND GET US GOING AND NOT BE STALLED BY STALEMATES, COME TO AGREEMENTS AND LORD YOU WOULD MOVE MIGHTILY IN OUR MIDST THAT WE WOULD TRUST YOU TO TAP INTO THE PAST TO TRUST YOU IN THE PRESENT WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE IN THIS MOMENT THAT WE WOULD GLEAM FROM THE MEMORIES OF THE PAST OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE AND THAT WE CAN GATHER TOGETHER AND MAKE DECISIONS FINANCIALLY BUT MOST IMPORTANT PHYSICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE COUNTY. IN JESUS WE ASK YOUR BLESSING WILL GUIDE, GUARDIAN BLESS US TODAY AND MAY YOUR PRESENCE BE WITH EVERY WORD AND EVERYONE HERE TODAY. IN JESUS YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN. >> THANK YOU. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH THE BEAUTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE COMMON TEXAS, ONE STATE, UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. >> THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE SEATED. IT IS 9:10 A.M. AND WE HAVE A QUORUM OF MEMBERS, COMMISSIONER GONZALES IS HERE HE JUST STEPPED OUT, HE WILL BE BACK IN. THE DATE IS SEPTEMBER THE 13TH WEDNESDAY WE ARE AT NIGHT OR WHEN LEOPARD THE NUECES COUNTY COURTHOUSE AND I AM CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 9/11 A.M. >> HOW APPROPRIATE 9/11 A.M. >> ITEM D IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON DISCLOSURES OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST IF ANYONE HAS ANY, THERE BEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON AND SENSE ALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS HERE BEFORE WE START PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE ONE RETIREMENT RECOGNITION AND I [1. In recognition of Danny Lorberau's 8 years of service to Nueces County.] THINK I WILL MOVE TO THAT SO YOU CAN GET ON WITH YOUR JOB WE WILL SKIP OVER AND PRESENT THE CERTIFICATE RECOGNITION OF DANIEL'S EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND I JUST REALIZED THIS MORNING THAT YOU WERE RETIRING. I SIGN A LOT OF THE PAPERS ALL THE TIME AND I LOOKED UP AND I WAS LIKE WHAT WAS I THINKING WE WILL BE SAD TO SEE YOU GO WE KNOW YOU BEEN HERE A LONG TIME BEFORE THAT TO AND BEEN A VITAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY BUT WE THANK YOU IMMENSELY FOR YOUR SERVICE AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS COUNTY. I'M NOT SURE SOMEBODY ELSE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHERIFF COOPER, I DID NOT SEE YOU I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE HERE IN SPEAK. >> DANIEL'S TEAM IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ME. CAPTAIN LOERA DID EIGHT YEARS BUT IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AE YEARS SO HE BROUGHT A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND LIFE EXPERIENCE WITH HIM WHEN HE CAME TO THE AGENCY EIGHT YEARS AGO AND HE WAS IN FACT ONE OF THE BEST MENTORS, TEACHERS, COACHES THAT I'VE EVER SEEN IN ACTION, DANNY THANK YOU, BEST OF LUCK IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE TIME YOU GAVE TO NUECES COUNTY AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> AND YOUR MANY OTHER YEARS OF [00:05:10] PUBLIC SERVICE AND THE OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT YOU HAVE DONE. >> THANK YOU SHERIFF FOR THE KIND WORDS. I REALLY ENJOYED MY TIME HERE WITH NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE I THINK WE HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE AND I CAN'T REALLY SAY IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON BUT BIGGER AND BETTER OPPORTUNITIES HAS COME UP AND I TOLD YOU A WHILE AGO I'M TO BE A PART OF THE TASK FORCE IN KINGSVILLE AND THAT'S A GREAT CHALLENGE I LOOK FORWARD TO AND REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH EVERYBODY AND MET A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND MADE A LOT OF GOOD FRIENDS. I WILL STOP BY AT TIMES AND SAY HELLO. >> WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU DO THAT, THANK YOU. >> DO YOU GET TO KEEP WEARING THE HAT, IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD. I KNOW YOU WILL. >> HE DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT HIS HAT ON EVER. >> BELIEVE ME I KNOW THAT. >> WE SHOULD APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE YOU BEEN A GREAT ADDITION AND WELCOME TO THIS COMMUNITY AND COUNTY WERE SUPER GRATEFUL THAT YOU'LL BE PROTECTING OUR AREA AND A DIFFERENT WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ WANTED TO SPEAK AS WELL. >> I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG SURFACE WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ESPECIALLY WITH DPS. >> 37 YEARS, 29 WITH DPS AND EIGHT HERE. >> YOU'RE WELL-QUALIFIED TO MENTOR A LOT OF THESE FOLKS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE, WE WISH YOU LUCK FOR WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING. >> COMMISSIONER MAREZ WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. DON'T GO ANYWHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE PROUD OF YOU. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND SERVICE TO NO OASIS COUNTY. I KNOW YOU DEFINITELY HAD AN INFLUENCE IN SAINT PAT AS WELL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE AND I SEE YOU'RE MOVING DOWN THE LINE AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP YOU IN THE REGION I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING FOR US. I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ORSINO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SMILE AS MUCH AS HE DOES HE'S USUALLY VERY SERIOUS AND INTIMIDATING TO SEE ALL THESE LAW ENFORCEMENT NO MATTER WHAT LEVEL THEY ARE AT BUT HE IS A KIND OF PERSON THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN APPROACH AND ASK A QUESTION AND GIVE DIRECTION AND HE HAS PROVIDED A LOT TO US AND THE MENTORING THAT YOU HAVE DONE. IT IS A BETTER OPPORTUNITY, I KNOW WE ARE LOSING OFFICERS BUT IS BECAUSE IT IS A PROMOTION BASICALLY FOR YOU AND A BIGGER RESPONSIBILITY IN THE TASK FORCE DOES GREAT WORK. WE LOOK FORWARD TO RUNNING INTO YOU WHAT ARE THESE DAYS HOPEFULLY FOR THE RIGHT REASONS MAYBE AT A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TELL A. >> NO - I THANK YOU AND NUECES COUNTY HAS BEEN THE SAME YOU BEEN HERE A YEAR LONGER THAN I HAVE. YOU BEEN HERE ALMOST THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK, GODSPEED. >> THINK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AND WISH YOU THE BEST, YOUR OUTCOME AND CHALLENGE IS A BIG CHALLENGE IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS WHAT YOU DO, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE EITHER BUT I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU WILL BE IN A POSITION WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE TOUGHER TO MAKE CERTAIN DECISIONS WORKING AT A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT AND I THANK YOU CAN HANDLE IT YOU ARE A BIG GUY, I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK AND JUST REMEMBER TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES FOR THE RIGHT REASONS AND I WISH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY THE BEST. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> CAN WE GET A PHOTO, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME UP WE CAN STAND BACK HERE AND YOU ALL CAN COME OR I CAN COME DOWN THERE WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. [00:11:27] >> AS SOON AS THEY CLEAR OUT WE WILL START WITH THEIR PUBLIC HEARING. >> PUBLIC HEARING WILL BEGIN N [1. The Commissioners Court will conduct a public hearing on the proposed 2023-2024 Nueces County Hospital District budget.] NOW. ITEM NUMBER ONE THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED 2023, 2024 NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT WILL GO FIRST. IF THOSE IN THE BACK WILL MAYBE STEP OUTSIDE TO DO YOUR CONVERSATIONS. THE TIME IS 9:21 A.M. SORRY. >> GOOD MORNING JUDGE IN COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND WHAT WE DO AND IN THIS CASE WE TALK ABOUT HER BUDGET. I HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT CONNIE IS GOING TO SPOOL UP FOR ME ON PAGE 30, IF WE COULD PUT IT ON PAGE THREE CONNIE. LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO THE POWERPOINT. I HAVE SHARED WITH THE WELL BEFORE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT BUDGET BUT I WANTED TO SAY THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS GOING TO HAVE ONE UNDER $53 MILLION IN REVENUE AND 147 AND A HALF DISTRICT BUDS BALANCED AND IT STARTS WITH A POSITIVE GENERAL FUND AND ENDS WITH THE GENERAL POSITIVE FUND BALANCE OUR PROGRAM AT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT OPERATED LAST YEAR ARE FUNDED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AT THE DOLLAR LEVEL HEALE SERVICES THE COVER DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR AS LAST YEAR. AND FINALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE ARRANGEMENT EMBEDDED IN HER BUDGET PROVIDE FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT MEETING WITH STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS TO PROVIDE AN EDUCATOR. WITH REGARD TO THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT CONNIE HAS BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS GRAPH BEFORE, DALE WILL PROBABLY SHOW IT TO YOU AGAIN BUT THIS IS THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TAX RATE TREND WITH THE REDLINE EMBEDDED IN THE GRAPH TO SHOW YOU THE DIRECTION OF THE TAX RATE AND WHERE IT IS GOING. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT FOR MANY OF THE LAST 20 OR SO YEARS HAS OPERATED THE DISTRICT AT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. THAT WILL BE THE CASE THIS YEAR WITHIN A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE LAST YEAR, THE NEXT SLIDE. >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> SAY THAT ABOUT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. >> WE ARE GOING TO OPERATE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT THIS YEAR, WERE ASKING FOR 4% COMMISSIONER ON TOP OF THE NO NEW TAX RATE, [00:15:01] DOLLAR EQUIVALENT IS THE SAME MONEY AS LAST YEAR WITH THE CALCULATION WORKS. >> IF YOU ARE INCREASING TAXES BY 4%. >> WE ARE INCREASING 4% OVER THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. >> THAT MEANS THERE IS NEW REVENUE. >> WHEN YOU GO TO THE CALCULATION COMMISSIONER AND YOU USE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WE ACTUALLY LOSE MONEY, WE WILL HAVE LESS MONEY THAN WE DID LAST YEAR. >> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THAT ONE. >> THE WAY EVERYTHING WORKS AND THE WAY THEY TAX CALCULATIONS WORK AND IF YOU LOOK THERE ARE NEW REVENUE WHEN WE BRING IN REVENUE OF 1.7. >> HOW DOES IT WORK FOR THEM THAT THEY'RE GETTING MORE REVENUE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A TAX INCREASE OPERATING I DO NOT SEE THAT. >> HOW IT WORKS, THEY'RE SAYING THE SAME THING THAT WERE FIGURING OUT BECAUSE THE TAX INDUSTRY. >> WITH THE APPRAISAL PROBLEM. >> IF YOU HAVE YOUR REVENUE FROM THE REFINERY YOU WOULD BE GETTING MORE REVENUE. >> ALRIGHT, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE, LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT THIS IS THE TAX INCREASE REQUEST AND FOR THE DEFICIT THAT IS ANTICIPATED FROM THE REFINERY DISPUTE YOU WOULD BE GETTING MORE MONEY THAN LAST YEAR. >> AT SOME POINT THE DISPUTE IS GOOD TO BE RESOLVED AND SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN, WITH THIS YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE TAXPAYERS TO PAY MORE TO YOU, THAT IS A TAX INCREASE TO THE TAXPAYERS PAID WE GOTTA BE TRANSPARENT, YOU MAY BE GETTING LOST MONEY BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DISPUTE WERE IN THE SAME BIND SO WE MADE CUTS DO ALL MAKE ANY CUTS IN YOUR BUDGET TO ATTEMPT TO GET TO THE NO NEW TAX RATE OR NOT RAISE TAXES I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU TRIED. >> WE LOOKED AT A COMMISSIONER GIVEN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WANTED TO FUND THE COUNTY HEALTH CARE EXPENDITURES, MENTAL HEALTH ALL THOSE THINGS AT THE SAME RATE THAT WE DID LAST YEAR WE ARE ASKING FOR 4% ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF CINEMAX AND A LOT OF TERMINOLOGY. THE TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR IS LESS THAN LAST YEAR SO IT'S NOT A TAX INCREASE IT IS ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT IS TRUE. >> YOU KNOW THAT I LOVE YOU BUT YOU'RE GETTING IS MY AREA THAT BUGS THE CRAP OUT OF ME IS 100% TAX INCREASE BECAUSE THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY IT IS 100% BY LAW IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR THE NO NEW TAX RATE IT IS A TAX INCREASE TO EVERYBODY ELSE DESPITE THE DISPUTES I'M GOING TO PAY MORE YOU'RE GOING TO PAY MORE, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO PAY MORE BECAUSE THIS IS A TAX INCREASE I'M NOT SAYING THE COURT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T SUPPORT IT, TO SAY IT'S NOT IS NOT RIGHT. IT IS MY PEPE BUT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A TAX INCREASE YES YOU ARE OPERATING ON THE SAME MONEY BECAUSE OF A DISPUTE BETWEEN TWO REFINERIES IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS MESSED UP ON. IF THAT IS RESOLVED AND THAT MONEY COMES BACK YOU CAN HAVE MORE MONEY THAN YOU DID LAST YEAR. >> IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT A BUCKET RESOLVED IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. >> COMMISSIONERS I'M NOT TRYING TO EXAGGERATE THIS BUT THE MISSING MONEY IS REAL. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> IT IS NOT HERE IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US. >> ABSOLUTELY WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT FOR MONTHS. >> WE DID GET SOME MONEY THAT WAS DUE FIVE YEARS AGO EARLIER THIS MONTH. ANYWAY I WANT TO SHOW THE DISTRICTS TAX RATE TREND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE SLIDE NUMBER FOUR SHOWS THE COUNTY HEALTH CARE EXPENDITURES TREND AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT CONTINUES TO RISE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM EACH YEAR. ON THE NEXT SLIDE SLIDE NUMBER FIVE THESE ARE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICTS MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES EXPENDITURES TREND SO YOU CAN TELL FIVE YEARS AGO WE JUMPED INTO DOING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND FUNDING THEM AND WE ARE CONTINUING THAT, THE NEXT PAGE GOES INTO THE ACTUAL BUDGET, NEXT PAGE I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT I SHOULD BEFORE THE BULK ARE SUPPORTED BY NON- TAXES. [00:20:02] THIS IS AN IMPRESSIVE GRAPH. WE ARE RELYING ON THE TAXPAYERS FOR 25% OF THE MONEY THAT WE NEED TO RUN THE DISTRICT THIS YEAR. THE NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT IS THE SAME AS THE ONE BEFORE BUT IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL DETAIL ABOUT WHERE THE REST OF THE REVENUES COME FROM. NEXT SLIDE ON PAGE NINE THESE ARE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICTS THREE MAIN EXPENDITURE AREAS IN 24, A BULK OF THEM IN THE TRANSFERS, THESE ARE THE PROGRAMS OF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT USES TO SUPPORT ALL THE HOSPITAL SYSTEMS IN NUECES COUNTY WE HELP THEM DRAW DOWN FEDERAL FUNDS IN THE CHIEF USER OF THESE FUNDS GETS ABOUT 70% OF THE 80% NUMBER IN THE OTHER ONES ARE EQUALLY DIVIDED BETWEEN DRISCOLL AND HCA THE DOCTORS REGIONAL BAY AREA HOSPITALS. >> A 9% PORTION IS THE COUNTY'S PORTION OF THE HEALTHCARE, PAGE 10 IS A LITTLE WERE DETAILED TO THE PRECEDING PAGE THAT'S ALL FOR MY PRESENTATION JUDGING COMMISSIONERS. >> THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE PREDICT. >> THANK YOU FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. I NEED TO COME BACK THIS AFTERNOON OR SOMETIME TODAY FOR THE BUDGET OF THE LATTER PART OF THE DAY. >> THINK YOU WILL. REGISTERING PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I SUPPOSE WE CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW. >> I DON'T BLAME YOU. >> ITEM TO THE COMMISSIONERS [2. The Commissioners Court will conduct a public hearing on the proposed 2023-2024 Nueces County budget.] COURT WILL CONDUCT A HEARING ON THE PROPOSED 2023, 2024 NUECES COUNTY BUDGET. >> THANK YOU YOUR HONOR IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW THE RETIREMENT OF CAPTAIN HAS A LONG CAREER AND WE WANT TO WISH HIM WELL. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NUECES COUNTY SEPTEMBER 13, 2023 WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ITEMS OF DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND EXEMPTION THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE HISTORICAL TRENDS OF POWER TAXES HAVE GONE IN AND THAT IS HOW OUR REVENUE HAS COME IN AS WELL AND WILL TELL YOU THE SOURCES OF INCOME THAT COME FROM AND WHERE THE EXPENSES GO IN THE FINAL ONE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW A PROPOSED TAX RATE THE CURRENT TAX RATE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR IS .291659 FOR THE COUNTY NO NEW REVENUE FOR TWO 0 423. IN IT WE RUN OUT OF A DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPOSED RATE IS 2573.5% OF THE MANEUVER OF THE TAX, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT RIGHT NOW DON'T SHOW YOU BUT THE PRIOR YEAR FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICTS WAS.0 98846, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT NO NEW REVENUE IS.0 81963 AND AS WE SEE THE PROPOSED RATE IS.0 89272 IN THE BE BRINGING ON THE 4% WHEN THEY COME LATER ON.0 5242. THE NEXT LINE. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE EXEMPTION OF THE COUNTY OFFERS IN THE OTHER WITHIN THE COUNTY. WE USE THE LARGEST AREA THAT WE HAVE WHICH IS THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND CSST A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE IN OTHER AREAS WHERE YOU MIGHT PUT ARANDA'S, FIRE BLUFF, IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT IT WOULD BE CLOSER THAN WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE PICKED THE LARGEST ONE. FOR NUECES COUNTY IN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WE GIVE A 20% EXEMPTION WITH A MINIMUM OF $5000 FOR EACH HOMESTEAD THAT QUALIFIES. ANYBODY OVER 60 5A DISABLE WE OFFER A $60500 FOR OVER SIX DIVIDED DISABLED PAY FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WE SHOWED 10% WITH 5000 MINIMUM, AGAIN 50000 FOR BOTH BUT ON THE LOCAL NEWS WE JUST HEARD THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTIE IS GOOD TO BE INCREASING THAT BY 10% SO THAT MIGHT GET UP TO THE SAME LEVEL THE 20% BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THEY HAVE A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST $100,000 EXEMPTION AND I BELIEVE OVER SIX 5A DISABLE NEEDS TO BE INCREASED TO PROBABLY 110 EACH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER FOR THAT YET. WITH THESE EXEMPTIONS. [00:25:01] THE SOCIAL YOU THE HISTORY OF OUR TAX RATE FOR NUECES COUNTY. YOU SEE IN 2006, 2007 WERE A .37 IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS CYCLE WE MAINTAINED A LITTLE BIT THROUGH A FEW YEARS WE WENT DOWN AND AROUND 2015, 2016 AS SLIGHT INCREASE BECAUSE OF EVALUATION CHANGES IN A 2018 AND 19 YOU SEE THE ONE COMING DOWN FOR A PROPOSED 2022, 23, 23 - 24 SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASING, THAT IS ALMOST, THAT IS MORE THAN 10-CENT DECREASE IN VALUE FROM ONE YEAR TO 2006 TO NOW. NEXT SLIDE. WE ARE SHOWING THE HOSPITAL, THEIR RATES ARE LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF HOW WE HAD TO FUNCTION THROUGH THEM BUT AS HE SAID FROM 2011 FOR A WHILE THEY WERE ON THE EFFECTIVE RATE AND THAT WENT DOWN YOU CAN SEE THIS CONTINUE TO DECLINE AS WELL AS THE LAST RATE TO THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED RATE IS A 1 CENT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE 10TH BETWEEN THE TWO AND THIS IS JUST A PROPOSED RATE AND WE WILL BE BRINGING RATES LATER AS IT COMES. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS A COMBINED TAX RATE FOR THE COUNTY AND HOSPITAL DISTRICT COMBINE, YOU SEE IT IS A MOST IDENTICAL WHAT YOU SAW FOR THE COUNTY THAT WE ARE AT .53 TOTAL COMBINE FOR PROPOSED RATE OF 23 - 24 WERE AT .342 THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN VALUE. NEXT SLIDE WE WILL SHOW YOU OUR PROPOSED BUDGET TAX REVENUE AS WE EXPECT OUR COUNTY HAS GROWN N-SIZE AND GROWN IN VALUE IN OUR VALUE HAS GONE UP, THE ONLY CONCERN FOR 23 - 24 HAS BEEN MENTIONED WE HAVE A VERY LARGE TAX DISPUTE FOR TWO OF OUR LARGEST TAXPAYERS. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE A LEVY OF 112 LIEN DOLLARS WHICH IS THE FARM TO MARKET, DEBT SERVICE IN GENERAL OPERATION FOR PRE-GENERAL FUND OF 112 BUT WE DON'T EXPECT TO COLLECT ALL THAT DUE TO THE DISPUTE AND THAT AMOUNT IS NOT YET DETERMINED BUT WERE EXPECTING 5 MILLION DIFFERENCE. >> I HEARD YOU SAY OUR COUNTY HAS GROWN, HOW MUCH HAS IT GROWN. >> WE ARE NOW 365,000 PEOPLE IN THE 10 YEARS AGO WE WERE AT 312, WE HAVE GOTTEN BIGGER, THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU ARE FUND BALANCES AS WE KNOW IN 2017 WE HAD TO USE FUNDS OF THE FUND BALANCE AND WE DO OFFER A LOWER TARGET OUR TARGET IS A DOTTED YELLOW LINE IN THE MIDDLE. AS THE YEARS HAVE GONE THROUGH WE ARE GRADUALLY GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE AND WERE ALMOST WHERE WE WANT TO BE AT 27,000,008 WHERE THE TARGET IS 21 AND WERE VERY CL CLOSE. WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME REVENUES THAT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT UNDER ESTIMATED BUT I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT LEVEL. THE NEXT LEVEL IS GOING TO SHOW YOU THE TAX CODE REQUIRES US TO DO WE PROVIDE YOU WITH AN AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE FOR 2022 E WAS $166,436, THE AVERAGE VALUE NOW BECAUSE OF THE VALUE THEM SO SIGNIFICANTLY, THE AVERAGE VALUE IS $184,587, IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST COLUMN AND SLASHED YEAR'S TAX RATE AND WE APPLY THE VALUE AND WE GET A LEVY FOR THE COUNTY THAT IS SIX AND $49.95 THAT INCLUDES A COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT. IF WE DO THE PROPOSED RATES THAT WERE PROPOSING IS .342 0 27 AVENUE EVALUATION OF $4 THE NEW LEVY WOULD BE $631.33. IF YOU SEE THAT IS A $20 DECREASE IN TAX VALUE. PEOPLE WITH AN AVERAGE HOME OR LESS PROBABLY SEE AT LEAST AN 80-DOLLAR DEDUCTION COUNTY TAXES I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY TAX AND TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY TAX OR A DROP OF 2.86%. NEXT SLIDE THE TAX RATE WILL RAISE MORE TAX REVENUE OPERATING LAST YEAR END IS A 3.5% INCREASE IN STILL SHOWING A REDUCTION OF $34.51 IF WE APPLY THIS TO AN EVALUATION OF A HOME OF $100. NOW THE BIGGEST THING PEOPLE ASK WHERE DID ALL MY MONEY GO FOR THE PROPERTY TAX AND WE SHOW YOU A BREAKDOWN AGAIN AND BE PICKED OUT CCS EDI AND CORPUS CHRISTI THIS MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR WHERE YOU LIVE BUT WE PICKED THE LARGEST AREA OF LARGEST AMOUNT OF ANY HOME IS GOING TO BE TAXED THROUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHATEVER SCHOOL DISTRICT YOU ARE YOU AND MORE OF YOUR TAXES GO TO THEM THAN ANYBODY ELSE, ALMOST 50% OF YOUR TAX GOES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE REST GO TO 24% FOR THE CITY, 11% FOR THE COUNTY, 10% FOR THE COLLEGE AND 3% FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. NOW WE ASK WHERE DID YOUR MONEY COME FROM, AS JOHNNY WAS SAYING WE ALSO HAVE THE SAME LEVEL. [00:30:03] YOU SEE FOR THE COUNTY ARE PROPERTY TAX BRINGS IN ROUGHLY 51% OF OUR REVENUE TO PAY FOR ALL OF HER BILLS, THE REMAINING PORTION IS IN HER GOVERNMENT REVENUE, THAT IS OUR AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD WITH 20 OTHER CITY, COUNTY, STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN WE GET MONEY TO GIVE OPERATIONS AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THIS COMES FROM AND AS YOU SEE THE REST OF IT IS CHARGING FOR SERVICES. NOW THE NEXT QUESTION ON WHERE THE MONEY GOES IS THE NEXT LINE AS THE MAJORITY OF OUR EXPENSES GO TO OPERATIONS BY PERSONAL COST 85 MILLION. YOU SEE THE REST AS OTHER SERVICES AND SOME PEOPLE SAY WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER SERVICES, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR INSURANCE OR LARGEST COST IS INSURANCE, THEN WE HAVE RENT AND OTHER COSTS FOR SERVICES THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN THE NEXT ONE WE TRY TO HAVE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS AND THAT IS A GROWING EXPENSE BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE. AS WE GET READY TO TALK ABOUT HER BUDGET, VIEW THE BUDGET CHALLENGES, AS WE SAID WITH A PROPOSED RATE WE ARE PROBABLY, WE WILL SEE A REDUCTION BETWEEN THE REFINERIES OF AROUND $5 MILLION. IT COULD BE LESS, COULD BE MORE DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS WORK OUT IN HOLY THIS GETS RESOLVED QUICKLY BUT WE KNOW THEY CURRENTLY HAVE DISPUTES ONGOING AND ONE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR SIX YEARS. ONCE SETTLED BUT IT DID NOT SETTLE FOR CURRENT AND AS YOU SAW ONE BEING SIX YEARS AND WE SEE A SMALL WINDOW IN THAT. WE HAVE CONTINUOUS PAY, WHAT IS CONTINUOUS PAY, AFTER EVERYONE THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY FOR THREE YEARS OR MORE AFTER THE THIRD YEAR THE NEXT FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR YOU QUALIFY FOR CONTINUED PAY WHICH IS PART OF HER PROCESSING INDICATED TO HAVE% INCREASE IN SALARY, APPROXIMATELY 153 EMPLOYEES AND FIVE INDIVIDUALS INTO DEPARTMENT HEADS QUALIFY THIS YEAR, EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO DO AN EVALUATION BETWEEN THE PENSION REQUIREMENTS FOR TEXAS RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND THEY ALWAYS GIVE US WHAT THEY EXPECTED PAY AND THE VALUE DID GO UP SO WERE REQUIRED TO BRING IN $156,000 MORE, DURING THE MIDTERM BUDGET CYCLE WE APPROVED SOME RECLASSIFICATION A MODIFICATION OF THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 150,399. IN THE BUDGET THAT WE PROVIDE TO YOU BECAUSE OF THE VACANCY AND THE COST OF FOOD AND SERVICES THAT WE HAVE WE INCREASED THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET FOR OVERTIME IN INMATES IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT CAN BE ADJUSTED, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK INTO AND ADJUST IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO. WE WILL BE MOVING MONEY FROM 1115 WAIVER TO COVER THE SOFTWARE INCREASE THE LARGEST WHAT IS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE, THE GOOD THING IS THE FOLLOWING NEXT YEAR AT LEAST 500,000 OR SIX A THOUSAND WILL GO AWAY BECAUSE OF IMPLEMENTATION, THAT'S WHAT WERE DOING IT ONE TIME TRANSFER OF $1 MILLION FROM HER BALANCES. EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A SMALL INCREASE WERE BANK OF AMERICA THE FINANCING TO DO THE ABM ENERGY SAVINGS CONTRACT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND WE GOT MONEY FROM BANK OF AMERICA TO COVER THIS AND THIS IS HER DEBT SERVICE FOR THEM. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AGREEMENT DISCUSSION WITH OUR DEPARTMENT WE DON'T KNOW THE VALUE SO WE CANNOT DETERMINE WHAT TO INCLUDE SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S QUESTIONABLE, RIGHT NOW OR BUDGET CHALLENGE AS WE SEE IS ABOUT $5 MILLION, $8 MILLION. EXCUSE ME. NOW THE FUTURE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE WE KNOW COVID-19 HAS REALLY NOT STOPPED RIGHT NOW WE HEARD FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT THE NUMBERS OF CASES ARE GOING OUT AND WE HEARD THE VACCINATIONS ARE COMING OUT SO WE RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO GET VACCINATED BOTH WERE COVID-19 OF THE FLU, WHATEVER ELSE HE CAN GET VACCINATED FOR. AS WE KNOW WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GET THAT RESOLVED AND WE WILL CONSIDER THAT. THIS YEAR WE HAD A VERY LARGE INFLUX OF VERY LARGE CLAIMS THAT WE WILL BE TALKING TO THAT LATER ON IN THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WHERE WE WILL NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS BUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE OF FUNDING SHORTFALLS AND WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR SURE BUT IT MIGHT BE NEXT YEAR TO CONSIDER BRINGING IN THE INCREASES, WE WILL DISCUSS AN EXTRA, NOT THE ISSUE. AS WE SAW INFLATION. IT PROVIDES A PROCESS OF EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING IS INCREASING THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND FOOD SERVICES, EVERYTHING IS NOW MORE EXTENSIVE. IN THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT INFLATION INCREASING HIS INTEREST WE RECEIVED FROM THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE THAT IS ALSO INCREASING THERE ARE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES WILL BUDGETARY CUTS WITHIN THE BUDGET ITEMS AND WE HAVE LEAD POSITIONS, WE HAVE NO RECLASSIFICATION WITH SERVER AS PART OF THE BUDGET. [00:35:01] WE WILL DISCUSS THAT, ALSO WE KNOW THE POTENTIAL REFINERY WE HOPEFULLY GET THAT RESOLVED SOON BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE COMING FORWARD. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR '20 2324 PROPOSED BUDGET. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER. >> WILL HAVE. >> I'M GOING TO SAVE A LOT FOR THIS AFTERNOON BUT IF YOU ASKED BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE ON RAISES ARE THE ONLY REASONS IN THIS BUDGET RELATED TO THE CONTINUANCE PAY. >> THE ONLY OTHER ONE THE JUDGE APPROVED A SMALL INCREASE FOR THE COURT REPORTERS BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER INCREASES. >> IN THE PROBATION OFFICE BUT STATUTORY THEY GOT THEIR MONEY. >> THEY ARE STATE-FUNDED, IT'S NOT GENERAL FUNDED STATE. >> WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER AND THE STATUTORY MONEY. >> THE LEGISLATURE PAID. >> FOR THE PROBATION OFFICER, THE JUVENILE THAT IS TO THE STATE FUND AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY FUND. ONLY INCREASES CONTINUANCE IN THE COURT REPORTERS. >> I WILL SAY THE REST FOR THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. >> LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATED IN THE CUTS GIVE A TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE CAME UP WITH I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HEAR THAT THIS COUNTY CAME TOGETHER EVERYBODY WORK TOGETHER MADE CUTS IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. I KNOW IT WAS OVER 2 MILLION I THINK IT WAS TWO AND A HALF OR 3 MILLION. I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT SO I THANK YOU SHOULD ALL HEAR THAT THE COUNTY IS WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. >> $1000. >> 2 MILLION. >> 2,000,000.3. >> 2.3 MILLION. I JUST FELT LIKE THE PUBLIC TO HEAR THAT. >> IF YOU ADD THE TRAVEL IS 2.5. >> I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING IF I COULD. I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE COUNTIES ENCOURAGING ANYONE TO GET ANY KIND OF SHOTS. I THANK YOU DO YOUR FAMILY WHAT YOU TAKE IS NECESSARY, I DON'T THINK WE ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO GET ANY KIND OF VACCINATIONS. >> THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND WE ARE HAPPY TO HELP YOU GET THAT IF YOU NEED IT. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS. IT IS 946 I WILL CLOSE THIS [G. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.] PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP. TO BE A PUBLIC COMMENT, PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR THAT? THANK YOU. >> FIRST UP WE HAVE SCOTT HARRIS IF YOU WILL COME UP TO THE PODIUM WE CANNOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU BEGIN. >> GOOD MORNING JUDGE SCOTT HARRIS 362 MERRILL DRIVE CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS. PRECINCT ONE. I'M HERE TO PROVIDE THE COURT A QUICK UPDATE ON THE BOB HALL PROJECT ON THE REGIONAL MANAGER FOR LAM IN CORPUS CHRISTI FOR THE PROJECTS. >> AND CLOSER TO THE MIKE. >> PULL IT UP A LITTLE. >> MY NAME IS SCOTT HARRIS AND THE LOCAL REGIONAL MANAGER FOR LAM THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE BOB HALL PROJECTS WHICH INCLUDE THE DEMOLITION, THE REBUILD AND THE RECONSTRUCTION OF GOLD BEACH ROAD OR THE PARKING LOT WHICH WOULD BE THE CASE TODAY AND GET UPDATE YOU ON THE. RECONSTRUCTION OUR TEAM JACOBS ENGINEERING HAS DELIVERED A 60% DESIGN, WHICH IS ON SCHEDULE ON TIME ACCORDING TO THE LAST UPDATE THAT WE GAVE TO THE COURT THEY DELIVERED THE OF THE 28TH OF AUGUST, I HAVE GIVEN MY TEAM 18 DAYS, 17 OR 18 DAYS CONSIDERING THE HOLIDAY IN THERE AS WELL TO REVIEW THOSE DELIVERABLES WHICH INCLUDE THE PLANS, A LIST OF SPECIFICATIONS AND AN UPDATED OPINION OF CONSTRUCTION COST. THOSE REVIEW COMMENTS ARE DUE BACK TO ME ON THE 22ND OF SEPTEMBER AND I AM AVAILABLE TO GIVE A MORE DETAILED UPDATE TO THE COURT ON THE 27TH. AFTER THE 22ND WE WILL RETURN THOSE COMMENTS TO THE DESIGN [00:40:01] TEAM WHICH IS JACOBS ENGINEERING FOR CONSIDERATION ONE OF THE MAJOR DECISION ITEMS THAT IS STILL OUT THERE IS A CONCESSION I FULLY EXPECT TO PROVIDE OR ENTER INTO A DISCUSSION ON THAT LATER ON ON THE 27TH IF THAT MAY BE YOUR WILL THAT CONCESSION WERE TALKING BUDGET DOLLARS THE CONCESSIONAIRE BUDGET WE HAVE ABOUT 4.2 MILLION. RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET FOR THE CONCESSION 3.6 OF IS FOCUSED ON THE BUILDOUT OF A CONCESSION THE DECISION HAS NOT BEEN MADE JACOBS ENGINEERING HAS ADVANCED ANY OF THEIR DESIGN SINCE A 30% ON THE CONCESSION IS BASICALLY ON HOLD I WANT THE COURT TO NOTE THE 60% THAT THEY DELIVERED TO US THERE IS NO CHANGE ON THE CONCESSION OF THE 3% THEY ADVANCE THE DESIGN OF THE. AND COME ALONG WAY WITHOUT THE CONCESSION HAS BEEN ON HOLD SINCE THAT TIME AND THERE IS 4.2 IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE ON THE. >> PUT THEM ON THE 27TH. >> IN CLOSING WE WILL BE BACK ON THE 27TH FOR MORE DETAILS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> VISTA ORTIZ. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE OR AT LEAST GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WE HAVE THE CITIZENS AND NUANCE COUNTY I LIVE AT 3718 MENDENHALL. FIRST OF ALL I AM ASKING COMMISSIONERS, YOU JUDGE TO PLEASE NOT RAISE THE TAXES. WE HAVE GENERATED MORE MONEY IN ONE EXAMPLE IS CREATING A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AS TO WHERE THE SUBDIVISION IN THE COUNTY NOT THE CITY SO WHO IS KEEPING ALL THE MONEY FOR ALL THE FEES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE DEVELOPED AS SUBDIVISION WHY ISN'T THE CITY GIVING THE COUNTY THE MONEY THAT IT SHOULD GO TO THE COUNTY HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THAT BE MORE CREATIVE AND SEE HOW YOU COULD GENERATE MONEY INSTEAD OF RAISING THE TAXES AND/OR ELIMINATING EMPLOYEES. REMEMBER WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN EMPLOYEES ALSO IN NUECES COUNTY WE NEED THE SERVICE. DON'T CUT LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT IS SAFETY. I'M ASKING COMMISSIONERS AT LEAST THREE COMMISSIONERS NOT TO VOTE FOR THE INCREASE OF TAXES TO LOOK AT CREATIVE WAYS OF GENERATING MORE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY SO WE DO HAVE TO RAISE TAXES. THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT THAT DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO SIGN UP. THERE BEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA. THANK YOU. [2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.] MOVING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT ANY COMMISSIONER WISHES TO PULL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> I WILL PULL THE AND CASEY BUT HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON, NUMBER YOU. >> I DID HAVE THAT ONE. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. >> JUST IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION. >> THERE IS A BACKUP ANY OTHER ITEMS ANYONE WISHES TO PULL. >> IF NOT I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCLUDING ITEM FALLON. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I. [U. Accept presentation and design from CLK Architects & Associates regarding the Medical Examiners Facility Renovations Project.] ANY OPPOSE, THE SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IF YOU WERE TO BRING UP ITEM U. [00:45:03] >> I'LL LET THEM COME UP AND DO THEIR PRESENTATION OR QUESTIONS FOR EVERYBODY. >> GOOD MORNING JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. >> CAN YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN, I KNOW WE HAVE HEARD THESE PRESENTATIONS MORE ABOUT WHAT THE CHANGE IS AND I THINK THERE ARE MINIMAL CHANGES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> BASICALLY THE PRESENTATION WAS SENT TO THE COUNTY AND WE DON'T NEED TO PULL IT OUT BUT THE CHANGES THAT WE DID WAS MAINLY TO ADJUST THE BUDGET AND DEFER SOME THINGS AND MAKE THEM ALTERNATES SO WE CAN HIT OUR TARGET AS FAR AS THE FUNDING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT PULLED WHICH WAS NEVER PART OF OUR ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS EXTRA EQUIPMENT SO THE X-RAY EQUIPMENT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ITEM, IF WE HAVE THE FUNDS THEY CAN BE PURCHASED IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY BUT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIRED BY THE EMMY SO THE SPACE WOULD STILL BE THERE IN THE BUILDING BUT IT WILL BE PULLED OUT FROM A CONSTRUCTION BUDGET. >> YOU MIGHT LET US KNOW WHAT THE JET NUMBER WAS FOR EVERYONE ELSE THAT YOU ADJUSTED THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT. >> THE FINAL BUDGET IS THE SAME. >> WE CAN'T SAY THE BUDGET. >> OH YES. >> THAT WHATEVER WAS TRYING TO SAY. >> SAYING THAT YOU SAVED US. >> YES. >> BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALTERNATES THERE IS ALTERNATES FOR REPAIR OF THE EXISTING ROOF THE EXISTING BUILDING THE ROOF IS IN REALLY BAD CONDITION SO IT'S GOING TO BE AN ALTERNATE TO REPAIR THE ROOF, THE EXISTING HVAC WERE INTENDING TO REUSE IT IS ALSO IN BAD SHAPE OF THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING SO THAT WILL BE AN ALTERNATE AS WELL, THE PARKING AROUND THE EXISTING MA IS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE AS WELL. THAT'S ALSO GOOD TO BE AN ALTERNATE. BUT THOSE THINGS ONCE WE GET THE BIDS, ONCE THEY COME IN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WILL BEGIN DECISION WHETHER THEY ARE IN OUR MEANS A OR NOT. >> BASICALLY SEE WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT OVER OR NOT. >> IS AB ADJUSTMENTS. INSIDE OF THE MBE THEY HAD REQUESTED A PROCEDURE TABLE AND WE REDUCE THAT TO FOUR. THE SPACE FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO TO GIVE US CAPACITY FOR GROWTH WE WILL STILL BE THERE IT IS JUST TABLES WITH EACH AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THOSE THINGS COST WE WILL DEFER THOSE ALSO TO A LATER TIME. THOSE HAVE BEEN PULLED IN THE OTHER MAJOR THING AND WE TALK TO MICHAEL ABOUT THIS. ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT ALL OF THE FURNITURE IS WHEN YOU BE OWNER PROVIDED WHICH MEANS THE COUNTY WILL PROCURE AND PURCHASE ALL OF THAT ON HER OWN. THAT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO SAVE ON THE MARKET FROM THE GC SO WHEN WE MOVE THAT OVER DOING IT THAT WAY. WE'RE GOING TO CREATE PACKAGES FOR PROCUREMENT FOR ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT AND ALL THE FURNITURE SEPARATELY FROM THE CONST CONSTRUCTION, THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF THE PART THAT WILL BE IS ANYTHING IN THE BUILDING IF YOU FLIP IT AROUND AND YOU SHAKE THE BUILDING AND IT DOES NOT FOLLOW, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE BUILDING BUT EVERYTHING ELSE COMES OFF THAT WOULD BE EQUIPMENT AND/OR FURNITURE. >> PERFECT SPIVAK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> I DID. >> AND YOU TELL ME A TIMELINE. >> THE OVERALL PROJECT IS 18 MONTHS. >> STARTING TODAY? >> AFTER WE RECEIVED BIDS AFTER WE ARE AWARDED CONTRACTS. >> ARE WE GOING OUT AFTER TODAY. >> YES AFTER YOUR APPROVAL. >> TODAY WHAT WAS THIS TODAY THIS IS EXCEPT PRESENTATION AND DESIGN SO WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT TODAY AND THEN YOU WILL GO TO PURCHASING AND START THE PROCESS SO YOU'RE READY TO GO. THAT IS ABOUT 90 DAYS. >> THE BID PROCESS I WANT TO GIVE THEM AT LEAST WITH THE MARKET TODAY AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON I WANT TO GIVE THEM SIX TO SEVEN WEEKS TO GET GOOD BIDS. TYPICALLY 21 DAYS BUT I WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME. AFTER THAT WE WILL HAVE THE COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPOSALS AND THEN SCHEDULE THE TIME TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. >> 49 DAYS OR SEVEN WEEKS [00:50:01] WHICHEVER. >> WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO START IN THREE MONTHS. >> YES. >> THREE MONTHS OR LESS. >> WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO A TIMELINE HAS TO BE COMPLETED AS WELL. >> IT IS ARPA FUNDS PLUS THE FACILITY IS IN NEED. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. >> JUST TO CLARIFY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOUR TABLES OR SIX TABLES. I THOUGHT THERE WAS FOUR TABLES AND WE WERE GOING TO INSTALL TWO TABLES AND EVERYTHING WAS READY IN CASE WE NEEDED IT. IS IT FOUR OR SIX. >> WE ENDED UP WITH FOUR, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO I MET WITH MA ON THIS THEY NEEDED THREE TABLES OF THE AUTOPSY AND ONE TABLE TO DECOMPOSE AUTOPSY AND THAT IS ISOLATION ROOM. >> OKAY, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE AUTOPSY AREA. OKAY WE ARE GOOD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO APPROVE TO PROCEED FORWARD, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN, THE MOTION PASSES. , COMMISSIONER CHESNEY YOU ARE REQUESTING TO REOPEN PUBLIC,. >> I AM I GOT HERE AFTERWARDS AND I KNOW LEWIS IS HERE, IF WE COULD REOPEN PUBLIC, FOR A BRIEF MOMENT SO HE CAN SPEAK PLEASE. I DON'T KNOW SCOTT WAS GOING TO OR NOT. >> I THINK SCOTT IS HERE FOR THE REST OF THIS TIME. >> IS AT A RATE TO REOPEN A MOTION TO REOPEN. >> I GUESS SHE NEED EMOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION TO THE SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> THE MOTION PASSES. >> GOOD MORNING. >> STAGER NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SCOTT CROSS NUECES COUNTY COASTAL PARK DIRECTOR AND I LIVE IN ROCKPORT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO THE COURT, I STILL NEED TO GO BACK TO MY BOARD AND DISCUSS THE ITEM OF THE CONCESSION AREA WITH THEM LIKE I SAID SCOTT HARRIS SAID EARLIER THAT WAS PUT ON HOLD. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ON THAT CONCESSION SPACE AND I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT UNLESS WE GET TROY TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING BEFORE THE 29TH THAT IS MY NEXT BOARD MEETING, THE 28TH, THAT IS THE DAY AFTER THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND I'LL WORK WITH HIM ON DOING THAT AND I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AND THAT IS ALL I HAD TO ADD TO THAT. I WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW. >> ATHANK YOU. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING JACOBS ENGINEERING AT 332 CORPUS CHRISTI. A QUICK UPDATE ON. DESIGN. 60% SUBMITTAL OF THE. ONLY WAS PROVIDED TO LAM IN THE COUNTY ON AUGUST 28 AND PRESENTED TO NUECES COUNTY PARKS BOARD ON AUGUST 31. WE UNDERSTAND THE REVIEW WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY A MONTH AND AT THAT TIME OF CONTINUED THE DESIGN AND A 90% TO MIDDLE AT THE END OF DECEMBER THIS YEAR. THE RESTAURANT IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY OF INSURANCE. THIS SCHEDULE ASSUMES THE RESTAURANT REMAINS ON HOLD AND DOES NOT GET INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN OF THE RESTAURANT HAS REMAINED AT THE 30% LEVEL, TOTAL PROJECT SCHEDULE NEED TO BE REVIEWED TO REINCORPORATE THE RESTAURANT INTO THE DESIGN. THE SHAPE OF THE. THE SAME IS PROVIDED AT THE 30% SUBMITTAL, SEVERAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE 30 AND 60% SUBMITTAL THAT WAS OMITTED, THEIR SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED AMOUNT OF INFORMATION IN THE PLANS AND SIGNIFICANT INCREASE MEMBER INCISIVE REINFORCING IN THE. STRUCTURE THOSE OF BEEN DETERMINED AND SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS, THE DESIGN TEAM HAS REVIEWED THE LIGHT LEVELS ON THE. , WE REDUCE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LIGHTS ON THE. FROM 66 - 50 FEET IN BETWEEN THEM TO PROVIDE BETTER LIGHTING, THE ADA RAMP UP FROM THE. TO THE BEACH HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN DETAIL, THE STRUCTURE SUPPORTING THE COUNTY AREA HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN DETAIL COUNTY AREA PLANS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED SHOWING THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN WHILE FINISHING FLOORING, FLOOR LIGHT OUT, ELECTRICAL MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING. THE PROJECT COST AT THE 30% LEVEL IS 21.7 MILLION AND THE ESTIMATED COST IS A 60% LEVEL IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER AT 21.75 MILLION. THE DESIGN TEAM FROM A QUANTITY TAKEOFF WITH THE REVISED DESIGN AND MATERIAL PRICES FOR CHANGES BETWEEN APRIL AND AUGUST, WE ALSO DISCUSSED CONSTRUCTIBILITY WITH CONTRACTORS LOOKING FOR [00:55:01] WAYS TO INCREASE EFFICIENCIES IN THE ENVIRONMENT, THEREFORE REDUCE COST. THE MATERIAL PRICES HAVE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE, IF ANYTHING OF A SLIGHT DECREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 2% UNFORTUNATELY LABOR COSTS HAVE CONTINUED TO RISE OFFSETTING THE REDUCTION OF MATERIAL PRICES. SOME ELEMENTS OF THE. WENT DOWN AND COST, SOME WENT UP RESULTING IN THE COST ESTIMATE THAT IS VIRTUALLY UNCHANGED WITH RESPECT TO PERMITTING THE PROJECT WAS ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BY THE COURT ON APRIL 6, 2023 TP WD AND U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE DID SUBMIT COMMENTS IN RESPONSE IN THIS TEAM HAS RESPONDED TO THE COMMENTS IN THE COURT CONTINUES TO REVIEW THE PERMIT. WE EXPECT THE PERMIT WILL BE RECEIVED LATE THIS YEAR SO WE CAN HAVE A PERMIT AVAILABLE BY THE TIME WE GO TO BED. IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE, WE DO EXPECT WE CAN GET THE FINAL DOCUMENTS TO THE COUNTY BY FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH AND BID FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 9 - 12 MONTHS. VERY FAST THE MIDDLE. >> PERFECT TIMING, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> CLOSING COMMENTS AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. [1. Discuss and consider accepting Briscoe King Pavilion New Facility Architect Proposal to present to Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone (TIRZ) #2.] ITEM A1, DISCUSSING, NEW FACILITY ARCHITECTURAL PROPOSAL PRESENTED TO THE TAX. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT TILL SEPTEMBER 27. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THE MOST I MOTION PASSES TO SEP, ITEM NUMBER TWO DISCUSS AND [2. Discuss and consider authorizing and approving a cooperative contract purchase under Sourcewell Contract No. 031121 with Ewald Kubota for two (2) Kubota L4802HST Front Loader Tractors for Nueces County Coastal Parks in the amount of $67,658.36 to be paid with Coastal Parks (0180-5659) FY 22/23 Budgeted Funds.] CONSIDER AUTHORIZING APPROVING A COOPERATIVE CONTRACT PURCHASE UNDER SOURCE WILL CONTRACT 0 31121 WITH EWALD KABUTO FOR TWO KUBOTA FRONT LOADER TRACTORS FOR NUECES COUNTY. >> YES, MA'AM, THAT IS MY ITEM SCOTT CROSS, THAT IS TO REPLACE TWO TRACTORS WE HAVE THAT IS USING THIS YEAR'S CURRENT BU BUDGET. >> A MOTION TO PASS. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU. [3. Discuss and consider termination of an engineering services agreement with Mott MacDonald Group, LLC. in connection with the Packery Channel Living Shoreline Project, and related matters.] >> ITEM NUMBER THREE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER TERMINATION OF AN ENGINEERING SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH MOTT MACDONALD GROUP LLC IN CONNECTION WITH PACKERY CHANNEL LIVING SHORELINE PROJECT. >> YES, MA'AM. THE PROBLEM I HAVE THERE ALL OF THE SENIOR COASTAL ENGINEERS EVEN THE JUNIOR COASTAL ENGINEERS HAVE LEFT THE OFFICE AND THERE ARE NO COASTAL ENGINEERS IN THE OFFICE AT ALL, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE GAP BEING PLUGGED I'M UNDER SERIOUS TIME CONSTRAINTS AND DELIVERABLES AND A NEED TO MEET WITH THE GL AND I DO NOT WANT TO WAIVER ON THAT THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT PARTNER OF MINE THE DAY NOTICE I GET MY WORK PRODUCT AND USING OUR INTERNAL LOCAL PROCUREMENT THEY TOLD ME I USE THOSE GO OUT AND FIND AND SELECT ANOTHER ENGINEERING FIRM THAT HAS A COASTAL ENGINEERING BACKGROUND. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. [4. Discuss and consider authorizing and approving execution of a Sourcewell Cooperative Contract No. 032119-CAT Lease-Purchase Agreement with Holt Texas, Inc. for one (1) new 2023 Caterpillar 930M Small Wheel Loader for Coastal Parks in the total amount of $173,653.13. ] >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN, THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER FOUR DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING EXECUTION OF THE SOURCE WHILE CORRUPTIVE CONTRACT. THIS IS YOURS TO. >> THIS IS MY FRONT IN LOADER AND WE ROTATE THESE OUT EVERY TWO YEARS. I HAVE WORKED WITH JENNY'S OFFICE ON ALL OF THESE EQUIPMENT PURCHASES SO EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER. >> JUDGE, THESE ARE BUDGETED FUNDS. >> YES. >> THEY ARE BUDGETED AND ANOTHER THING, THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT I'M TRYING TO GET ARE ON THE LOTS RIGHT NOW, IT IS ONE OF THE AUDITORS REQUIREMENTS AND FORGET TO MAKE A PURCHASE IN SEPTEMBER WE HAVE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT BEFORE OCTOBER 1 OR THE DISPENSE GETS PUSHED OCTOBER 1. WITH YOUR APPROVAL I CAN GO GET THAT STUFF TODAY AS SOON AS I GET A PIO. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE [5. Discuss and consider setting the first day or fraction of day of juror service pay at the rate of $20.00, and the second day or fraction of day at $58.00, pursuant to Section 61.001 (a-1) (1) & (2) and (a-2) of the Texas Government Code; and any related matters.] SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NUMBER FIVE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE FIRST DAY OF FRACTION OF JUROR SERVICE PAY AT THE RATE OF 20 AND SECOND AT 58. THE DISTRICT CLERK IS HERE TO DISCUSS THIS. THIS HAS BEEN BUDGETED ALREADY. I AM TOLD AS WELL. >> THIS IS A SMALL INCREASE IN THE FIRST DAY MIDDAY HOWEVER, THEORETICALLY OUR FIRST DAY IS COSTING US LESS. >> WE HAVE FUNDS SET ASIDE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT. >> SINCE I BEEN HERE THIS IS ABOUT THE SECOND TIME THAT THE [01:00:03] STATE HAS INCREASED THE JURY PAY I WISH IT WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO ATTEND JURY, AT LEAST WE HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY TAKE A DAY OR SO WHILE FROM WORK AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT ESPECIALLY WITH THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW, MY OFFICE HAS WORKED WITH TIRE TECHNOLOGY AND OUR COURTHOUSE TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM AND MADE SURE THE FEES ARE IN THE SYSTEM. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THOSE GIRLS MY HIP PAIN THE FIRST DAY EACH AND EVERY DAY IF THERE ON A JURY PANEL AND TAKEN CARE OF BY THE THEY LEFT AND WE ALSO WORK CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE WERE DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY. WE ARE READY TO GO. >> THANK YOU FOR POPPING UP IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS BUT WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN, THE MOTION PASSES. [6. Discuss and consider upcoming Commissioners Court meeting date(s), workshop date(s), and related matters.] >> THANK YOU, JUDGE, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> ITEM NUMBER SIX DISCUSS AND CONSIDER UPCOMING COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETINGS DATES, WORKSHOPS, RELATED MATTERS. >> I THINK THERE IS A COPY OF THE LIST IN YOUR PACKET IF ANYONE HAS ANY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COURT TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 19 SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BOB HALL. PRESENTATION. I NEED TO GET THAT GOING IN WITH THE COURT'S APPROVAL WE CAN KEEP THE BALL ROLLING AND THERE WAS A TECHNICAL GLITCH TODAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON TODAY THEY DID NOT GET ON SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT PLUS THE ENGINEER IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN HAD INDICATED HE IS GOING TO BE GONE THE 27TH I THINK BECAUSE HE IS A FAMILY OBLIGATION AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE TODAY. I DON'T THINK IT'LL TAKE A LONG TIME I WAS JUST HOPING WE COULD DO THAT FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS ON THE 19TH OF SEPTEMBER IF THE COURT WOULD SO INDULGE. >> I AM LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR AND WE HAVE TOURS MEETINGS LOOK LIKE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AFTER LUNCH. >> WHATEVER WORKS IF THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. >> IF EVERYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK AT THEIRS TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. >> IS 130 WORK FOR EVERYBODY ON THE 19TH, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. DO WE NEED A MOTION. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH IT. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE HERE. >> I CAN MAKE THE 19TH AT 130. >> I AM FREE AS WELL. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >> THEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET A MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 19 AT 1:30 P.M. FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PRESENTATION AN ACTION ITEM FOR BOB HALL. >> THIS WOULD BE A ONE ITEM AGENDA MEETING. >> YES. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [1. Discuss and consider authorizing the execution of a Statement of Grant Award from the Texas Indigent Defense Commission for the FY2024 Continuing Multi-Year Improvement Grant program for the amount of $139,904.00.] >> THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM B, GRANTS, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A STATEMENT OF GRANT AWARD FROM THE TEXAS DEFENSE, I SEE ANNA AT THE PODIUM READY TO ANSWER. THIS IS THE 80% THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY AND WE ALREADY BUDGETED 100,000 AND I THINK THE INCREASE IS GOING TO BE THE 39000 IS WHAT I'M TOLD. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> DO WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, THIS IS THE LAST YEAR OF THE GRAHAM. >> WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER IMPROVEMENT GRANTS FROM THE AGENCY BUT THIS IS THE LAST ONE FOR THE ENGINEER COORDINATORS. >> FOR EVERYONE'S CLARIFICATION WE HAVE BENEFITED ON THE FRONT END OF THIS, THIS IS THE FINAL YEAR THAT REALLY COST US IT WOULD BE DISINGENUOUS AND BUS TO BAIL ON THE LAST YEAR. IT MIGHT HEARD US IN FUTURE GRANTS AS WELL. >> THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE IN BUDGET REALLY HAD $100,000 PLUS ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IT IN THE 30000-DOLLAR INCREASE TO MAKE UP THE 139. >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS THIS. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO THE SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> COMMISSIONER DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT LITTLE BIT SLOWER. [01:05:02] >> HE SAID WE BUDGETED. >> LAST YEAR WE WERE UNSEXY FOR SURE SO WE BUDGETED $100,000 FOR THE TRANSFER FOR THAT YEAR SO THE FINAL YEAR WE DON'T NEED THE 139 WE JUST NEED THE AMOUNT TO MAKE THE 139 WHICH IS $30000. >> WE ARE SHORT 30030 BEEN BUDGETED WE HAVE TO INCREASE 39000. >> AND THAT IS OUR SHARE FOR THE MATCH. >> YES THE LOTS YEAR FOR THIS GRANT. >> WHICH IS OCTOBER 2023 TO SEPTEMBER 2024. >> WE BETTER START THINKING WHAT WERE YOU TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR. >> YES. >> THEY ARE AWARE THAT IS THE LAST YEAR. >> ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. >> THANK YOU. >> THE MOTION PASSES. >> MOVING ON, I'M SORRY. >> THAT'S WHAT I HAVE THERE IS 100,000 IS A 30 OR 39 TOTAL. >> IT IS AROUND 30 SOMETHING. >> 139. >> THE INCREASE WAS A SMALL AMOUNT. >> WE VOTED TO CONTINUE WITH 139 SO YOU DON'T REALLY NEED THE DIFFERENCE. >> IS ONLY GOING TO COST US AN ADDITIONAL 30000 BECAUSE RUDY BUDGETED A HUNDRED. SHE'S ASKING FOR THE EXACT AMOUNT AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US. >> THE MOTION WAS MADE TO DO EXACTLY AS THE MOTION IS PRINTED. >> YES. >> JUST MAKING SURE. >> THAT'S WHY I SAID WE ARE APPROVING THE 13904. [1. Discuss and consider award and execution of an American Recovery Plan Act (ARPA)-funded Agreement with South Texas Building Partners, Inc. for construction services for the Nueces County 6th Floor Renovations - Public Defenders Office project (IFB No. 3243-23) in the amount of $399,390.00, and related matters.] >> ITEMS C1 AND CONSIDER AWARD OF EXECUTION OF AMERICAN RESCUE ACT OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH SOUTH TEXAS BUILDING PARTNERS. MICHAEL I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. >> ON JULY 26 THE COURT CONDITION SOUTH TEXAS BUILDING PARTNERS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIX FLOOR RENOVATION FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THE CONTRACTOR'S AGREEMENT TO MAINTAIN COST WITHIN THE BUDGET AMOUNT OF $400,000 THEY DID SO AND WORKED WITH AN OFFICE ON THE VALUE ENGINEERING AND ARRIVED AT A FIGURE $391,390 AND A RECOMMENDATION THIS CONTRACT IS SOUTH TEXAS CLOSING PART AND THEN REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS WE ALSO RECEIVED THE SATISFYING THE RP REQUIREMENTS IN PUBLIC WORKS RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >> SO MOVED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. >> FOR CLARIFICATION DID WE VOTE IT BECAME A LOOK WE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK IS BACK WE WERE HOPING THEY WERE MOVING ALONG ON THIS PROJECT. >> WE WILL COME BACK AND LET YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE AMOUNT IS THAT WE COMMITTED TO. >> WE HAVE A MOTION GO TO SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. [1. Discuss and consider authorizing and approving a Texas DIR Contract No. DIR-TSO-3763 with DELL Technologies in the amount of $124,790.01 for the purchase of computer hardware for annual warranty replacements for Information Technology.] THE MOTION PASSES, CLICK VERY MUCH. THE ONE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING A TEXAS ERI CONTRACT WITH DALE TECHNOLOGY IN THE AMOUNT OF $124,790 FOR THE PURCHASE OF COMPUTER HARDWARE AND THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE CAPITAL OUTLAY 1900 AND WE DID THIS, THIS IS PART TWO WE DID THIS LAST YEAR TO REPLACE THE AMOUNT OF WARRANTY ON COMPUTERS AND THINGS. >> CORRECT THE IT DIRECTOR HAS ASSURED US THAT DEAL WILL DELIVER THESE ITEMS PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 30 WITH THE COURT APPROVAL WE WILL HAND IN A PURCHASE ORDER AND EXPEDITE THE PROCESS. >> WE WERE NEEDING TO DO THIS TODAY FOR THEM TO COMPLY. >> YES THE URGENCY IS ON. >> CAPITAL OUTLAY 1900. WE HAVE A MOTION. I WILL SECOND THAT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ALTHOUGH THE LAMPPOST, SAME SIGN [1. Discuss and consider authorizing reclassification of open position in Public Defender's Office from an Attorney V (pay group 37) to an Attorney III (pay group 35).] THE MOTION PASSES, THINK. WE HAVE TABLED ITEM ENOUGH ONE, E2, I ASKED IF WE POSSIBLY. YOU TABLED INDEFINITELY, SOMEONE ELSE THAT THEY CALLED THE TABLE THAT. >> WE NEED TO DO THAT. I RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE NOT READY TO PROCEED ON THIS ONE, AM I CORRECT, IT ESTELLA NO GO ON THIS, THEY WANT TO TABLE THIS. WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS AT THE TABLE HE DIED JUST NEED TO MAKE [01:10:02] SURE I MAKE IT A MOTION TO CORRECT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> INDEFINITELY, THEY ARE CHANGING THE PLAN TOTALLY. >> MOTION TO TABLE DEFINITELY. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO TABLE THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THANK YOU THE MOTION PASSES. I'M SORRY I THOUGHT IT WAS YOUR ITEM THAT WE VOTED ON. ON ITEM E2 IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THAT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I WILL ASK THE COURT IF THAT IS THEIR WISHES OR IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED, THIS IS ON TRANSFERRING TWO POSITIONS INTO THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FUTURE PLAN WITH HER BUDGET FOR LATER THIS AFTERNOON, IF YOU ARE WANTING TO PROCEED. >> I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION ABOUT THAT. >> THAT WHY, WE WILL TAKE IT TO EXECUTIVE. >> I HAD A QUESTION ALSO BUT THEN I WAS TOLD IT MIGHT NOT BE BUT I PREFER TO TAKE IT FOR WE GO INTO DISCUSSION. >> COULD I ASK IF YOU COULD E-MAIL ME DURING THE BETWEEN TIME THEN I COULD GET STAFF TO BE WORKING ON THAT QUESTION SO I PRESENTED ANSWER WITHOUT DELAY. >> OKAY. [1. Discuss and consider providing additional funding to the group health account in the amount of $4,000,000 to cover at least five major claims that are pending and may not be covered by stop loss protection.] >> MOVING ON TO IMS. THE AUDITORS DISCUSS IN CONSIDERATION ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE GROUP HEALTH ACCOUNT IN THE AMOUNT OF 4 MILLION TO COVER AT LEAST FIVE MAJOR CLAIMS THAT ARE PENDING AND MAY NOT BE COVERED BY OUR STOPLOSS PROTECTION. LET ME BE CLEAR I KNOW DELL IS GOING TO STATE THIS, THE 5 MILLION WILL COVER OTHER CASES THAT WE WOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR IN THE FUTURE BUT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT UP FRONT THAT WE ARE HAVING TO FUND AND WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR ACCOUNT IS CAPABLE FOR NEXT YEAR. >> YES YOUR HONOR I PROVIDE YOU WITH A REVENUE EXPENSE SUMMARY AS OF JULY FOR THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE, I GOT THE BALANCES FOR AUGUST AND IMPARTIAL ECONOMIC DATE DOESN'T GET THOSE TO YOU. AND FOR AUGUST THERE WAS A REDUCTION OF ABOUT $500,000 LOSS SO GROUP HEALTH IS ABOUT $300,000, WE KNOW VERY LARGE CLAIMS WILL BE PENDING VERY SOON AND WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE ACCOUNT OF THAT NEXT YEAR'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT YEAR AND WE MAY NOT HAVE THE FUNDS NEXT YEAR AND WE PROBABLY WILL THIS YEAR. A FEW YEARS AGO THE COUNTY DID LOAN MONEY TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND AND HELP WITH THE BALANCES IN WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS TAKEN CARE OF FIRST HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT ALONE THIS IS A CLAIM FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES AND AS YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE CLAIMS WILL QUALIFY FOR A STOPLOSS, NOT ALL OF THEM WILL. IT IS GOING TO BE HARDSHIP ON THE COUNTY. WE KNOW AT LEAST FIVE IF NOT EIGHT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER FOR WORKING WITH OTHERS WE BELIEVE 4 MILLION WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT IN AT A POINT IN TIME WE GET REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STOPLOSS CARRIER AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING AND GO BACK ON THIS IF WE CAN BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED AND WERE ABOUT READY TO CUT A LARGE EXPENSE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE CLAIMS AS A LARGE AMOUNT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN CLAIMS IS ABOUT READY TO GO OUT AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE LARGE CLAIMS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO CAUTION THAT WERE GOING TO PAY THIS BACK. I KNOW WE HAD TO TRANSFER MONEY WHEN ARPA COVERED THE COVID EXPENSES THIS SEEMS TO BE CONTINUING PRETTY REGULAR WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK. >> THE WAY THAT WE HAVE OUR PREMIUMS ON A CASH BASIS OUR PREMIUMS ARE BARELY COVERING POSSIBLY HAVE A LARGE CLAIMS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER IT. >> I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER DID I INTERRUPT YOU. >> IT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR WE FIND YOURSELF IN THE SAME POSITION RIGHT ON BUDGET, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON UNTIL THE LAST MONTH OR WHAT I NEVER HEARD THAT WE WERE SHORT ANYWAY AND WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE EXPENSES OF 4 MILLION AND WE WOULD NEVER REPORT TO WARN US AND SAY THIS SO WE CAN WORK ON IT. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS 4 MILLION [01:15:01] OF INTEREST IN THE WAY THAT WE TRANSFER INTO THE GENERAL ACCOUNT WE NEED THE COURT APPROVAL BUT I KNOW THERE'S ABOUT 7 MILLION BUT WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER 3 MILLION THIS IS SHOP AND PUSH AT THE END OF THIS THING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME BECAUSE WERE IN A HURRY WERE TRYING TO DO THINGS AND TRY TO DO THE BUDGET AND WE HAD TO HAVE KNOWN THAT THERE WAS MEDICAL PROBLEMS AND WE HAD TO OF KNOWN THE EXPENSE AND HERE WE ARE WE NEVER KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL NOW WE NEED 4 MILLION, 93 MILLION WHERE WE GOING TO GET FROM I NEED 3 MILLION TO DO THE THINGS THAT I NEED TO DO, BALANCE A BUDGET, YOU NEED 4 MILLION TO TAKE CARE OF THE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW TO ME IT BOTHERS ME WHEN WERE PUSHING THINGS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DIGEST IT AND LOOK AT IT AND SAY WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FROM. THAT IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE INTEREST THAT WE BRING FROM ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS. I KNOW THERE IS MORE THAN $4 MILLION OR, IN SEPARATE ACCOUNTS I KNOW SOME CANNOT USE BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE $4 MILLION. >> ON THIS ITEM IS ONLY TO TAKE CARE OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT WERE REQUIRED. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE REST, HISTORICALLY LAST YEAR WE TRANSFERRED MORE THAN THAT WE DID NOT BUDGET ENOUGH AND I KNOW JUST RECENTLY IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS PROBABLY JULY OR SOMETHING THERE HAS BEEN MAJOR CASES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND BECAUSE OF HIPPO LAWS WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT THEM OR BRING THEM TO COURT OR ANYTHING. >> YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS, WE MAKE THE DECISIONS TO PAY THEM AND WE KNOW ABOUT THEM, I KNOW IT IS HIPAA BUT I THINK WERE IN A POSITION THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BEFORE WE PAY SOMEBODY I THINK. IF IT'S HIPPO LAW IF I'M GOING TO SAY YES OR NO. >> YOU CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY A MINISTRY TO THE HANDLES ALL THE CLAIMS FOR HEALTH INSURANCE TO BE BUDGET ANYWHERE FROM 14 - $15 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE REGULAR HEALTH INSURANCE IS NORMALLY THAT DOES COVER IT BUT THERE ARE SOME YEARS WHERE WE HAVE MAJOR CLAIMS PEOPLE CAN GO IN FOR WHATEVER BE THE CASE AND HAVE MAJOR CLAIMS, NO WINDOWS WITH COMING UP AND THESE ARE MAJOR CLAIMS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM UNTIL THEY HAPPEN AS WELL BECAUSE HIPAA LAW REQUIRES THAT ARE INSURANCE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THEY DEAL WITH INSURANCE DEAL WITH THIS AND THAT THEY BRING TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR FUNDING AND THIS YEAR IS BAD BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE AND WE HAVE SEVERAL AND IF YOU REMEMBER FOR FIVE YEARS AGO WE HAD TO CHANGE HER $5 MILLION. TO COVER IT. >> WE ALWAYS TRY TO PLAN FOR A GOOD YEAR IF WE HAVE A GOOD YEAR WITH NO MAJOR CLAIMS WOULD NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT THIS HAPPENS. >> HAVE A QUESTION. >> HOW MUCH TIME DOES INSURANCE WITH THE THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT OR WHOEVER IS HELPING US HOW MUCH TIME DO THEY GIVE YOU TO TELL YOU THEY HAVE A STOPLOSS CLAIM, HOW FAR BACK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS CLAIM THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COVER MORGAN TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. >> IF IT IS A NORMAL CLAIM LIKE WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMING IN WAS STOPLOSS ONCE WE EXCEED $400,000, COVERED BY THIS AND IT GOES TO THE THIRD PARTY A MINISTRY TO THEY USUALLY TELL US A LARGE CLAIMS ARE COMING TO PAY FOR THIS AND WE INFORM YOU WHEN WE KNOW THESE ARE COMING IN BUT THEY KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO COVER IT AND ARE STOPLOSS CAN TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 1 - 7 MONTHS TO REIMBURSE US FOR IT. >> IS AT THE THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY YOU ABOUT THE LOSSES. >> THEY DON'T NOTIFY ME PERSONALLY THEY DO WITH HR BECAUSE HR OVERSEES MOST OF IT AND THEY DO NOT NOTIFY ME SLIGHTLY. >> I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME PERSPECTIVE HERE. >> WE HAVE NEVER NOTIFIED HR THE PAST SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. I DON'T HOW MUCH LONGER BUT I BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. TYPICALLY THE JUDGE GETS NOTIFIED. TYPICALLY WE TALK CLOSELY WITH [01:20:02] THE AUDITORS AND THE AUDITOR HIMSELF IN WITHIN 24 HOURS THAT I KNOW ABOUT. THE WAY IT WORKS. THERE IS TOO RELATIONS TO THIS ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING. ONE YOU HAVE NOT READ THE PREMIUMS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW SO YOU ARE BUILDING UP A SPREAD DEFICIT IN YOUR PROCESS AND EVERY YEAR I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT IN EVERY YEAR I RECOMMEND THAT YOU INCREASE A MINIMUM OF 4% I HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THERE IS A SHORTFALL IN REVENUE. IF YOU WANT FULLY INSURED YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR PREMIUM SUBSTANTIALLY. AND YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS, BOTH EMPLOYEES AND THE COUNTY. THAT IS A BUILT IN PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE NOT BUILT IN FOR SEVERAL YEARS YOU HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF IT EVERY YEAR, THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION AND CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, THAT IS ONE ISSUE, WHAT YOU HAVE COMPOUNDED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE BUILT IN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS YOU'VE HAD AN UNUSUAL HIGH NUMBER OF LARGE CLAIMS, THE HUNDRED THOUSAND AND OVER THE 13 CLAIMS ARE COSTING YOU THIS YEAR ALREADY PAID IN EXCESS OF $2 MILLION. THAT IS A FACT, THAT IS SHOWN AND THAT IS A REPORT THAT I PREPARED FOR MANY YEARS AND HAS MUCH INFORMATION. WE COMPARE AND COMPARE IT AND COMPARE IT TO FINANCIAL REPORTS AND PREPARE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THERE WAS ALWAYS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN HIS REPORT AND MINE AND I'M LOOKING AT EVERYDAY AUDIT AND I GET REPORTS ALMOST WEEKLY ON THE STATUS OF THE FUND AND THE AUDITOR DOESN'T DO IT THAT OFTEN SO OUR NUMBERS ARE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT SO THEY WOULD CATCH UP ONE ANOTHER. I BELIEVE DURING THE JOSH NIELSEN ADMINISTRATION LET'S LOOK AT THE AUDITOR REPORT THE OFFICIAL REPORT BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE PREPARED REPORT THAT WAS MORE ACCURATE BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE THEY WERE BOTH ACCURATE IN SAYING I WAS AWARE OF IT BEFORE HE IS SO MY REPORT IS MORE CURRENT BUT THE ACCURACY TO CATCH UP AT SOME POINT IN TIME ARE THE SAME. THAT IS ONE ISSUE, YOUR REVENUE PROBLEM BUT SET THAT ASIDE THIS IS PARTICULARLY A BAD YEAR THAT YOU HAD 13 CLAIMS IN EXCESS OF $100,000 EACH SOME AS HIGH AS A MISSED $200,000 IN YOUR ONLY INSURED AT $400,000.435 I BELIEVE SO ANYTHING THAT EXCEEDS THAT WILL BE RECOVERED HOWEVER, IN ADDITION TO THE BAD YEAR WE HAD AN UNUSUALLY HARD LARGE CLAIM THAT STARTED AT $5 MILLION IN YOUR ONLY REINSURER A LITTLE OVER $400,000 SO IT HAS TO BE IN EXCESS OF $400,000 YOU TO RECOVER MONEY THE $5 MILLION CLAIM WAS REDUCED THROUGH CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE AND THAT I HAVE NEGOTIATED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS AND HAVE DONE SO WITH THE PERSON SITTING BACK THERE IN THE BUILD OF $5 MILLION APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION HAS BEEN REDUCED TO ABOUT 1,000,000.9. WE ARE STILL QUESTIONING AND CHALLENGING SOME OF THE CHARGES, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE BILL BECAUSE THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS CLOSING INFORMATION AND IDENTIFY THE CLAIMANT AND THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER HIPAA WE CAN DISCUSS CLAIMS BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT CAREFULLY. IN ADDITION TO THAT THAT BILL HAS NOT BEEN REJECTED WITH MY CAUTION IN YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE BILL CHAPMAN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING SUFFICIENT INFORMATION FOR US TO DETERMINE IF IT IS CORRECT SO WE HAD TO REJECT THE BILL TO COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL LAW THAT BILLS ARE PAID OR REJECTED BY CERTAIN TIMELINE IN IN THE NEGOTIATION OF THE PROCESS WE HAVE ACTUALLY, I AGREED WITH HER DECISION THAT THEY MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY NEEDED TO REJECT IT WHILE WE CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE AND WE BELIEVE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. WE THINK WE CAN GET IT DOWN, THAT IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW AND WE WILL ULTIMATELY DO IT, OUT OF THE 1,000,000.9 THAT WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY WE EXPECT THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING BACK ABOUT A 1.5 MILLION AFTER WE CEMENT THE CLAIM AND AFTER ITS CLAIM TO HAS TO BE CEMENTED FOR REVIEW AND [01:25:05] AUDIT FOR THE INSURANCE CARRIER AND AT THAT TIME WE BELIEVE YOU WILL BE ENTITLED TO RECOVER WANTED A HALF MILLION DOLLARS APPROXIMATELY, DON'T HOLD NEED TO THAT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY BUT ADOBE SOMEWHERE AROUND 1.5 MILLION YOU WILL BE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR 450. WHEN WE DEDUCT 1.9 MILLION BY THE 450 THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU, TO ADDRESS THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I THINK WAS RAISED. EVERY YEAR WE HAVE THIS COST IN THE COUNTY HAS ESTABLISHED ANOTHER COMMITTEE, NOT ANOTHER COMMITTEE BUT AN INSURANCE COMMITTEE THAT WAS STARTED BY MR. NEILL AND WE WOULD MEET AND DISCUSS THOSE NUMBERS MONTHLY. WITH THE COMMITTEE. HOWEVER, IN ADDITION TO THAT I WILL DISCUSS WITH MR. WATERMAN AND EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES UP WITH THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ISSUE MR. WATERMAN WILL BE AWARE AND WE WOULD DISCUSS IT AT SOME POINT TIME AND SAY WHAT DO YOU THINK AND TAKE IT TO MR. NEILL AND WE DID AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS AND THE THINGS THAT WOULD COME TO YOU WOULD BE OVERALL PICTURES. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE BUT WHEN I SAY MAYBE NOT INDIVIDUALLY BUT YOU THE COUNTY HAS BEEN WELL AWARE FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS THAT I REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR FUND AND YOUR INSURANCE AND WHETHER YOU SPECIFICALLY ARE NOTIFIED OR NOT I HAVE NO CLUE, TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY, I TAKE IT TO THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES, HR HAS NEVER BEEN INVOLVED AT THIS TYPE OF LEVEL OF STUFF BY CHOICE, IT COULD BE, THAT IS YOUR DECISION NOT MINE, THAT IS BASICALLY IT. I HOPE THE ANSWER. >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS JUST COMMENTARY. WE RECENTLY CHANGED OUR HR DIRECTOR MAYBE THAT WAS A PREVIOUS PRACTICE OR EXPECTATION THEN BUT I DON'T THINK HER NEW HR DIRECTOR HAS BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION HR IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED. >> HE GETS OUR NOTICES BE BACK THAT IS NOT MY DECISION, YOU DECIDE WHO WE GO TO. >> HOLD ON YOU GOT TO SPEAK NOW I GET TO. THE COURT TO REST UNDER THE BUS SAYING WE AS A COUNTY SHOULD KNOW AND I DON'T LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF I AM JOHN I AM THE CHAIRMAN. >> THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. >> LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF I AM THE CHAIR OF THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE. AND YOU HAVE NOT BROUGHT ME THIS INFORMATION I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TOLD DALE AND MAYBE THERE IS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STEVE WATERMAN THAT HAS NOT BEEN HERE IN YEARS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LLOYD NEILL THAT GOD REST HIS SOUL HAS NOT BEEN HERE IN YEARS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WERE AT NOW BUT I KNOW YOU MAY GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE JUDGE BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I KNOW WHEN I'M BEING THROWN UNDER THE BUS. I THINK COLLECTIVELY THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE SAID. IF I AM WRONG THAT I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I MISREPRESENTED BUT THAT'S HOW I'M TAKING IT. I AM NOT HERE TO POINT FINGERS TODAY BUT THE FACT IS WE ARE GIVING A 4 MILLION OTHER PRICE TAG AND THAT'S VERY ALARMING THAT DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, AMOUNTS THAT GO ABOVE 50000 WE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF IT IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GETTING THIS INFORMATION REAL-TIME DAILY OR ALMOST IN A REAL-TIME SITUATION WE NEED TO BE GIVEN THAT INFORMATION. WE NEED TO CREATE A SYSTEM IN PLACE SO WERE UP TO DATE ON THIS BECAUSE OF FORGIVING AND LIKE THE COMMISSIONER SAID HOW DID WE GET HERE, WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT WE GOTTA FIX THIS. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF MONEY AND DEALING WITH THIS BUDGET CONSTRAINT THIS YEAR AND TO HAVE ALL OF THIS INCLUDED IS VERY OVERWHELMING AND IT GIVES OFF THE WRONG MESSAGE. I THINK AS A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR IT IS YOUR JOB WHICH APPARENTLY YOU SAY YOU'RE DOING, WHICH IS GOOD TO HEAR, THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU, YOU ARE CHECKING BUT THERE IS A LARGE DISCONNECT AND IT DOES NOT HAVE INFORMATION JUST GIVEN TO THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE I THINK ALL OF US SHOULD BE GETTING UPDATES. IF IT'S A WAY TO CREATE A REPORT THAT YOU SENT TO DALE IN THE JUDGE IN YOU CC A BLANK COPY EVERYBODY ON THEIR SO WE AT LEAST GET IT AND IF WE REVIEW IT THEN GREAT. THERE IS A LOT GOING ON TO THIS AND THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU TO MONITOR, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE SAID THAT EVEN THIS TIME WHILE WERE LEADING UP TO A NEW BID TO PUT OUT A BID PROPOSAL FOR A NEW CONSULTANT OR MAYBE IT IS YOU AGAIN BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT IS [01:30:02] COMMUNICATION GIVEN IN THE REAL-TIME THAT YOU HAVE, THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING, THAT IS ALL I'M EXPECTING, THIS IS A BAD YEAR, THIS IS A HORRIBLE YEAR COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS OR ANYWHERE THAT I'VE EVER SERVED TO SEE THAT MANY CLAIMS OVER THAT MUCH MONEY. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WERE GETTING THAT DATA AND IF WE HAD THAT POINT US TO IT SO WE CAN SEE THAT WE SELL THE PAPER TRAIL, IF THERE IS NOT HELP US DEVELOP A PAPER TRAIL AND E-MAIL TRAIL SO WE CAN STAY ON TOP OF IT. IF WE DON'T WE DON'T, THAT IS ON US WE SHOULD NOT ACT SURPRISED WE GET TO THAT POINT. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, THIS IS GIVEN TO US ALREADY HERE ALRIGHT NOW WOULD BE NO THIS LEADING UP I THINK THAT IS A CONCERN OR THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE ON THIS. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT GOES ABOVE $50000 THRESHOLD THAT THAT IS ON THE PATH TO GETTING TO 100, 200,000 WHICH YOU MENTIONED ALMOST ALL CLAIMS ARE 100,000 AND THEN WE HAVE SOME CLOSE TO 200. ADD THOSE UP TIMES 10 OR 13 WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS THAT'S WHAT WERE GETTING INTO TWO POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GETTING -- AND ARE WE ON THE PATH TO THE STOPLOSS NUMBER BUT AT LEAST THIS THRESHOLD WHEN YOU SAY IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE 50 IF YOU SAY NEEDS TO BE 25 OR 75 YOU CAN HELP COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER, YOU ARE OUR CONSULTANT, THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME NUMBER SO WE CAN HAVE 70 RING THE BELL THIS IS OKAY HERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT, LET'S NO THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH YEAR. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT PREMIUMS HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT IN THE JUDGE MENTIONED AND WE SEEN A PRESENTATION IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY BE PUT ON TO EMPLOYEES COMING UP NEXT YEAR AND I AM ALL FOR IT, GIVEN EVERYBODY ENOUGH NOTICE, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET TIME, AROUND THREE WEEKS LATER, NOW IT IS ON YOU, GIVE EVERYBODY A NOTICE THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE TO COVER THAT, THESE ARE AREAS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE IN THESE ARE AREAS THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF, IF WE GET TO A LARGE AMOUNT AND IT SEEMS THAT FOR MOST OF US THAT IT POPS UP OUT OF NOWHERE, THEN UNDERSTAND OUR SURPRISE WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. SO HELP US DEVELOP SOMETHING, HELP US COME UP WITH THE SYSTEM, DON'T JUST BLINDLY SAY THAT IS GIVEN TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY THAT IS A BIG GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, WE NEED TO CREATE TO THE JUDGE WILL GIVE A CARBON COPY AND GET THOSE REPORTS IF THEY'RE SIMPLE THAT YOU CAN. OUT, INCLUDE THEM IN THERE, IF THEY'RE SIMPLE THAT YOU CAN E-MAIL, SEND THEM BY E-MAIL I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH, HELP US COME UP WITH SOMETHING, GONE ARE THE DAYS TO BE VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED TO WORK CLOSELY, JUDGE NEILL WAS AN EXPERT WITH GONE THROUGH TRANSITION WITH DIFFERENT STRINGS AT THE COURTHOUSE ON STAFF THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO DO. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT I DO AGREE AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED COMMISSIONER TO BE ON MY INSURANCE COMMITTEE AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR HR DEPARTMENT DOES GET NOTIFICATIONS BUT HIS NOTIFICATIONS CLEARLY HAVE VERY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION ON THERE THAT HE CANNOT FORWARD BUT HE COULD POSSIBLY FOR OUR SAKE IN THE COUNTY, WITH A LIST TO SEND TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THERE IS A CASE IN THE HOSPITAL AND I THINK THIS IS HIGH-RISK, HIGH COST WHAT ALARMS, I'VE SEEN THEM AND THEY'VE COME TO ME SOME OF THE DISCONNECT ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED TO TRANSFER OUR VERY RECENT CASES AND I HATE TO SAY THIS IN COURT BUT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY THAT THE COUNTY DID NOT DO HER POSITION CORRECTLY, POSSIBLY IT'S AN ADDED COST THERE IS A LOT OF INSURANCE DEALING WITH INSURANCE THAT WE ALL KNOW IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CLAIM YOU HAVE THAT YOU CONTINUE A LONG TIME BEFORE YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR BILL IS IN THE END, IF YOU HAVE A SURGERY OR SOMETHING IT TAKES A WHILE I HEAR YOU AND I UNDERSTAND THE [01:35:07] FORMER PREVIOUS YE YEARS. IT'S THE REASON I ASKED TO BE IN THEIR SO MAYBE WE SHOULD COME UP WITH A SYSTEM THAT HELPS US ALL BE WERE NOT SURPRISED AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND QUITE POSSIBLY THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AND I HATE TO THROW THIS ON DALE, I DON'T MEAN THE WE KNOW THE FUND BALANCE. WHEN WE GET INTO SITUATIONS LIKE TWHEN I SAW 14 MILLION BUDGETED FOR THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION IS ONLY TWO WHAT KIND OF COMPANY CAN WITHSTAND THAT FOR TOO LONG THAT IS WITHOUT THE 4 MILLION THAT WE ARE STILL WAITING ON THESE BILLS THAT IS GOING TO POSSIBLY BE 16 OR 18 MILLION, WE HAVE TO WORK ON THIS, I AGREE AND I THINK IT'S WHY WE WANTED TO SIT DOWN INTO OTHER DISCUSSIONS WHILE I PUT THE COMMISSION ON THE TEAM AND I THINK WE CAN MOVING FORWARD BUT WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. I AGREE. >> WOULD YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN I SPEAK. >> IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND. >> I DON'T WANT TO RESPOND I'M NOT A POLITICIAN AND I SHOULD NOT BE RESPONDING TO ANYTHING. I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE INSTRUCTED ME TO HAVE THEM PREPARED FOR YOU ALL. >> YOU DID COME TO MY OFFICE WITH EVERY CLAIM. THE FIVE SUPPOSED TO NEGOTIATE. >> I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU I NEED TO BE TOLD BY THE COURT OR THE JUDGE I DON'T RESPOND TO INDIVIDUAL FROM A COMMISSIONER BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIND APPROPRIATE I DON'T WORK FOR ANY ONE COMMISSIONER I WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND I DO CONSULTING WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND BEYOND THE COUNTY YET EXCELLENT WORK DONE YOU MAY NOT RECKON AS IT MAY BE AVERAGE BY SOME PEOPLE'S CONSIDERATION NOT BY MINE AND NOT BY THE PERSON IN THE FIELD AND PROBABLY THE BEST IN TOWN THAT KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING GOD AND THAT'S FINE YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR ME IF YOU WANT EXTENSION TIME AND IN THE FUTURE I'M GIVING YOU TWO PROPOSALS OF WHICH I ASK YOU TO PICK ONE WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANTED. >> THAT WILL COME UP ON OUR NEXT MEETING. >> I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE, AT THIS POINT AM AND O THE HEALTH INSURANCE TO PAY FOR. BASICALLY WE ARE GETTING OUR RESERVES. JUDGE I HAVE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS INTO EXECUTIVE I HAVE SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS AND WE CAN HOLD OFF. >> WHAT WOULD THE CODE BE WHEN I GET READY. >> YOU CAN TAKE ANY ITEM WITH YOUR ATTORNEY CLIENT CONFERENCE BUT AS WITH THE OTHER ISSUE IF YOU COULD SEND ME THE LEGAL QUESTION I CAN BEGIN THE RESEARCH. >> I WILL SEND IT TO YOU. >> IF YOU DEEM IT UNWORTHY I DON'T REALLY WANT TO BRING IT OUT HERE AND ACCIDENTALLY SLANDER ANYBODY. >> I WILL NEED THE CODE FOR LATER WERE ACTUALLY GOING THERE. >> WHEN YOU SAY RESERVES DID INTEREST ALREADY AND THAT WE PUT IN THE RESERVE ALREADY. >> ONLY INTEREST IS IN THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW WE MAKE ALL OF IT, NOT THE SHARES. >> ALL OF IT. >> ALL WE HAD WAS $4 MILLION. >> ESSENCE IN THE BOOKS. >> WHETHER IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND, THE CEOS OR WHEREVER IT BELONGS. >> ARE RESERVE FUNDS ARE BASICALLY LEFT OVER MONEY. [01:40:07] >> SOMETIMES I GET CONFUSED WITH THE NUMBERS C. >> I J AND THE ONES YOU SENT MEO HAS TO BE MORE THAN $4 MILLION IN. >> WHERE IS THE ACCOUNT. >> THE WHOLE THING. >> OUR RECORDS SHOW THE REVENUE EXPENSE FOR INTEREST FOR THE GENERAL FUND WE HAVE FOR 5 MILLION. >> THAT'S 4.5 WE ONLY HAVE 4.5 THE ESTIMATED FOUR TO CONVEY. >> THIS IS ALL HE IS REQUESTING TO TRANSFER THE WISE 4.5. THE HEALTH INSURANCE. YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE OTHER FIVE DAYS. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM THAT WE HAD TO MEET BEFORE, I WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVE THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 21 FOR FISCAL YEAR '20 TWO, 23. >> THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER 21 FOR 23 MAJORITY OF THE REQUEST ARE NORMAL REQUEST AND THE LARGEST ONE ON PAGE TWO AND THE SHERIFF IS REQUESTING OF OVERTIME BECAUSE OVERTIME IS SIGNIFICANT OF A LARGE AMOUNT. THERE ARE THINGS TO COVER THIS BUT THERE ARE MORE CHARGES THAT THEY MAY HAVE AFTER THIS BUT THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THIS REQUEST. ESTIMATE THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER OF 2021, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. >> IS THAT 2 MILLION INCLUDE THE JAIL IN THE KITCHEN OR WHAT? >> HERE WE HAD A LISTED AT 1 MILLION INCLUDE IN THE KITCHEN. >> THAT IS WHAT THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER FROM LAST YEAR. >> THIS IS PAYING FOR WHAT WE WERE READY DONE, THAT IS NOT NEXT YEAR'S DEAL. >> THIS IS 23 TO MAY 24. >> THAT IS A BUDGET. >> TO START NOW. >> THIS IS ALREADY FOR THIS YEAR. >> I MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS THE CHANGE ORDER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> THE OPPOSE, SAME TIME. >> THE MOTION PASSES. I NEED COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ TO COME BACK FOR THIS NEXT VOTE. ALTHOUGH WE WILL, IT DEPENDS. >> I THINK IT'S WHOEVER IS HERE. >> IF THAT IS RIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CHECK THAT THERE'S NO PHYSICAL WAY WE CAN DO IT 70S IN THE BATHROOM AND CAN,. >> YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE FIVE OF THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION FOR THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING DEAL, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE OR WHO IS PRESENT UNANIMOUS WE WERE TOLD BEFORE. >> ARE WE STILL WAITING ON JENNY TO DECIDE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, I HAD TO READ ALL OF THIS WE CAN'T JUST DO IT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER WHETHER THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 725 DELIBERATION OF THE MEETING WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING CONTRACT BEING NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND NUECES COUNTY THERE IS AN ASSOCIATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 174 TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT RELATED OF SPECIAL COUNSEL WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. I ALSO HAVE A REQUEST TO NOT RECORD EXECUTIVE BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT. >> SO MOVED. >> ONE MAY BE RECORDED BY LAW. >> IS THE BARGAINING. >> ANYTHING RECORDED BY LAW. >> NO. >> JUST LEGAL ADVICE DOES NOT REQUIRE. >> 551 07 254 CONTRACT NEGOTIATION. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. [01:45:11] >> IT IS A SPECIAL LEGALIZED BRIEFING TO THE ACT THAT SIMPLY ALLOWS US WERE TO GET A LEGAL BRIEFING. >> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IT ALLOWS US BECAUSE OF THE OPINION THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THE PHYSICAL ASSET, IT'S NOT PART OF A LEGAL BRIEFING. SO WE ARE NOT RECORDING IT. >> WE ARE NOT RECORDING. >> I MAKE A MOTION NOT TO RECORD EXECUTIVE SESSION TODAY. ALL OF THEM. >> IS CERTIFIED. >> CERTIFIED YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL ME THAT IS MY MOTION. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> WHAT IS THE REAL REASON. >> WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE LAST FEW. >> I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. I'M JUST SAYING WE GO BACK AND FORTH. WHY WHAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. A RECORDED AGENDA. >> HE JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE VIDEO RECORDING HE WANTS TO DO ALL OF THEM CERTIFIED HE WANTED TO HAVE A MOTION TO DO THEM ALL BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME INSTANT WE WOULD REQUIRE TO DO THE VIDEO FOR THE TAPED AUDIO RECORDING IN A POLICY CHANGE. IN A POLICY CHANGE, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON WHETHER TO DO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A COMPELLING REASON ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT IT DOESN'T HURT MY FEELINGS. >> THAT'S ALL I HAD JUDGE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ARE YOU RETRACTING YOUR MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF NOT RECORDING EXECUTIVE SESSION U.S. CERTIFIED AGENDA, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. [4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.] THE MOTION PASSES. NOW IT IS 10:55 A.M. WE ARE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REPUBLIC NOTICE IS GIVEN, COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ANYTIME DURING MEETINGS TO DISCUSS MATTERS LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE PROVISION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT CHAPTER 551 OF THE LOCAL TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO THE EXTENT THERE HAS BEEN A PAST PRACTICE WAS A DISTINGUISHED ITEMS FOR DELIBERATION AND THOSE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, THE PUBLIC IS ADVISED OF THE COURT IS DEPARTING FROM THE PRACTICE AND RESERVES THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS ANY LISTED AGENDA ITEM IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO DO SO. IN THE EVENT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT LIKES TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING AN AGENDA ITEM SECTION OR SECTIONS OF THE OPEN MEETING AUTHORIZING EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TEXAS CODE SECTION 551.0 71551.0 72, 551.0 73, 551.0 74, 55 0 45, 551.0 76, 551.0 76, 551.0 87, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL HOLD IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEYS INCLUDING MATTERS RELATING TO LITIGATION, DELIVERY REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, THE PERSPECTIVE GIVES PERSONAL MATTERS INCLUDING TERMINATION COUNTY ADVISORY BODIES, SECURITY DEVICES AND/OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATION AND OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION UPON COMPLETION OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THE COMMISSIONER COURT MAY ENTER AN OPEN SESSION TAKE ACTION AS APPROPRIATE ON ANY ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO 551.0 72, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO LITERALLY A BUSINESS AND FINANCIAL ISSUES RELATING TO BE NEGOTIATED TO THE COUNTY AND NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ASSOCIATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 174 LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. ITEM B CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OUTSIDE COUNSEL REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2022 CCB 61374 MARIA KRISTOF AND NUECES COUNTY AND NUECES COUNTY RELATED FOR TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 71 ITEM C CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY HAD ATTORNEY FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT FOR CITY OPERATED NUECES COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT HAD A COUNTY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES AND RELATED MATTERS TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 71 ITEM D CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE CITY COUNTY ENTER LOCAL AGREEMENT REGARDING NEW APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLAT WITHIN THE TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF CRYPT ENTER CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 71 ITEM E2 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER [01:50:07] TRANSFERRING THE FOLLOWING COMMISSIONERS COURT ADMINISTRATION POSITION UNDER THE COUNTY JUDGE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY BUDGET ASSISTANCE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REVISING THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF THE COMMISSIONERS ADMIN EXECUTIVE DECISION TO A NEW JOB TITLE WITH REFINED DUTIES AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR AND RELATED MATTERS TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0 71 ITEM AS ONE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE GROUP HEALTH ACCOUNT IN THE AMOUNT OF $4 MILLION TO COVER FIVE MAJOR PLANES UNDER CLAIMS PENDING AND MAY NOT BE COVERED BY THE STOPLOSS PROTECTION AND THE CODE WOULD BE. WHICH ONE. >> THE HEALTH INSURANCE COV COVERAGE. >> I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE 551 07 ONE WHICH WOULD BE ATTORNEY-CLIENT, 551.0 71 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. IT IS 10:59 A.M. AND WE ARE GOING TO EXECUTIVE. THANK YOU. THINK ITEM A ON THE CAUSE OF [5. OPEN SESSION: Following Executive Session, the Commissioners Court will reconvene the Regular Meeting prior to taking any action(s) on matters considered in Executive Session.] [A. Discuss and consider taking action in Case No. 2022-CCV-61337-4, Maria Krauskopf, et al. v. Nueces County, Texas, et al; In Nueces County Court at Law #4; and related matters.] MOTION. >> I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON EITHER REQUEST FOR ITEM FIVE DAY. SECOND I THINK THAT WAS THE REQUEST FOR MEDIATION. >> YES. >> I SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM -- >> TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR MEDIATION, REQUEST WAS GIVEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. [2. Discuss and consider transferring the following Commissioners Court Administration positions under the County Judge: 1. Executive Secretary 2. Budget Assistant; discuss and consider revising the job description of the Commissioners Court Administration 'Executive Secretary' position to a new job title with refined duties as recommended by the Human Resources Director, and related matters.] >> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. THE NEXT MOTION IS ITEM E TO WE ARE MAKING A MOTION TO ELIMINATE THE DEPARTMENT OF COURT ADMINISTRATION, DO HAVE TO DO TWO SEPARATE AND REASSIGN THE TWO EMPLOYEES LISTED, I THANK YOU WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT, REASSIGN THE TWO POSITIONS TO THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THAT WOULD BE THE BUDGET ASSISTED AND THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY BUT CHANGING THE TITLE AND THE JOB DESCRIPTION. >> WE CAN'T REASSIGN UNTIL WE DO THE FIRST PART OF IT. >> A MOTION TO ELIMINATE THE DEPARTMENT AS THE END OF THE YEAR SEPTEMBER 30 OF COURT ADMINISTRATION. >> WITH THE REDUCTION IN FORCE. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS ELIMINATING THE DEPARTMENT I DID NOT KNOWING NEEDED TO SAY THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION. >> RIGHT NOW IT IS A REDUCTION BECAUSE WE ARE ELIMINATING FOR REDUCTION. >> YES. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. NOW I HAVE A MOTION TO TRANSFER THE POSITION OF BUDGET ASSISTED TO THE COUNTY JUDGE, WHERE IS MY PAPERWORK TO THE OFFICE OF COUNTY JUDGE IN THE NEW JOB TITLE FOR THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY TO THE COUNTY JUDGE COURT AGENDA COORDINATOR. I THANK YOU HAVE SOME CHANGES. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SECOND THAT AND CHANGE THAT. >> JUDGE I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE JOB TITLE TO COURT AGENDA COORDINATOR LEADING OFF THE COUNTY JUDGE LANGUAGE AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INCLUDE SOMEWHERE IN HERE AND THAT THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS HAVE A DOTTED LINE REPORTING TO THE REST OF THE COURT. >> IT IS UNDER THE COUNTY JUDGE TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. >> I WILL ACCEPT AS AN AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [01:55:08] ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. I THANK YOU HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. ARE YOU GOING TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR THE 19TH. >> YES. >> HAVE A MOTION ON THE THIRD WITH THE POSITION ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT THAT WE ARE DOING AWAY WITH THAT THAT POSITION BE APPROVED OR REASSIGN ON THE 19TH. >> YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE AGENDA OF THE 19TH TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE POSITION. >> TO STUDY TO THE 19TH AGENDA. >> RIGHT. >> THE REDUCTION YOU WANT TO TAKE THE ONE THAT IS STILL THERE AND PUT IT ON FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THE 19TH? >> THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION THAT I WOULD SECOND. >> SO MOVED. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME TIME. THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU I THINK THAT WAS ALL THE ITEMS WE HAD TO DO AFTER EXECUTIVE, I DID NOT MISS ANYTHING RIGHT? >> WERE YOU GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON AS ONE. >> I THOUGHT WE DID NOT HAVE A MOTION ON THAT ONE. >> CAN I ASK YOU. >> WE DID HAVE A MOTION ON THAT, SORRY. >> YOU NEED TO FACTOR IN WHAT WE DID ON THE REDUCTION ENFORCEMENTS TO PUT THAT BACK ON THE BUDGET OR PUT THAT INTO THE BUDGET AS REQUESTED. >> (INAUDIBLE). >> INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. >> ON ITEM F1, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REMINDING ME, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, WITH THIS TRANSFER IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE OUR NEXT BUDGET TOTALS OR HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BALANCE MOVING FORWARD? >> THE BALANCE WILL REDUCE OUR RESERVES SO THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN EFFECT ON YOUR BUDGET EXPENSE REVENUES IT JUST HAS A REDUCTION OF RESERVES. >> WHAT DID YOU JUST ASK. >> I ASKED ON F1 IF THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR BEGINNING BALANCE OF WHAT WERE GOING INTO WITH THE BUDGET, IT WILL DROP OUR BEGINNING BALANCE FROM 28 - 24. >> CORRECT. >> THAT IS A BIG DEAL THAT'S WHAT WERE WORRIED ABOUT. >> THE MAJORITY WILL GO TO 12 SOME WILL GO TO 13 BUT THE MAJORITY IS A GENERAL FUND I WOULD ASSUME 95% WILL BE GENERAL FUND. >> WE ARE READY HAD 28 AND WE HAVE FOR AN INTEREST. >> BEFORE IS INCLUDED IN THE 28. >> I'M JUST SAYING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT 28 OR 26 WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT WHAT MADE UP THE 20 NOW OVERTHINK IT IS THE 20 BUT WE STILL HAVE INTEREST OUT THERE THAT WERE GOING TO ADD. >> DID YOU REMEMBER THE ESTIMATED REVENUES TO PROVIDE YOU THE OTHER DAY ON A BUDGET SURPLUS ALL SOURCES OF REVENUE INCLUDING INTEREST. AT THE TIME ESTIMATED $4 MILLION OF INTEREST. >> I'M GOING TO SAY ONE MORE TIME I THINK IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN $4 MILLION OF INTEREST. >> IN MAY I DID THE ESTIMATE AND IS PROBABLY MORE NOW BUT THAT IS THE BEST I COULD DO. >> DAILY CHANGES, OKAY. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BETWEEN MAY AND NOW. >> BETWEEN MAY AND NOW THERE'S BEEN THREE FEDERAL RESERVE FROM THE FEDERAL RATES AND ADDITIONAL COST OF THE INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY SO THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAPPENED. >> BACK TO JUSTICE ITEM. THAT IS PART OF THE BUDGET. >> IS A LINE OF QUESTIONING, YOU ARE ASKING US TODAY TO BE [02:00:01] $4 MILLION FROM THE RESERVES INTO THIS MR. GONZALEZ IS WANTING TO KNOW WHY WHEN WE LOOK AT MOVING INTEREST THAT IS STILL OUT THERE OR WHATEVER YOU ARE SAYING IT'S IN THE BUDGET ALREADY. >> IT BALANCES OFF OF EVERY BIT OF INTEREST INCLUDING THERE MAY BE A SMALLER PORTION THAT IS NOT ESTIMATED BECAUSE WHEN I ESTIMATED MAY NOW WE'RE IN AUGUST AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT OCCURRED IN A PERIOD OF TIME THAT COULD BE HIGHER BUT I JUST RAN SOME REPORTS FROM OUR FILES AND AS OF AUGUST 4 MILLION. >> IS IN THE BOOKS AS INTEREST. >> INCLUDED IN THE 28 THAT IS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT. >> HE CAN'T BE INCLUDED. >> HOW IS IT INCLUDED IN THE 20 IS. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND THE REVENUE YOU WILL SEE THE INTEREST OF $4 MILLION. THAT IS HOW IT IS INCLUDED. >> YOU DID SAY THERE IS A SMALL PORTION. >> THERE IS A SMALL PORTION MCCUE SET A SMALL PORTION NOT INCLUDED. >> I COULD BE UNDERESTIMATED WE HAD INCREASE OF RATES THE BANKS HAVE INCREASED THEIR RATES. AS OF MAY I DID THE BEST I CO COULD. >> IT IS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FEDS DO. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE, I CAN GO TO THE EXACT PAGE IF YOU WANT ME TO. >> ON PAGE 10 OF YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET INTEREST IN REVENUE $4 MILLION AS ESTIMATES ON PAGE 10. >> THE $28 MILLION OF RESERVES YOU COUNTED $4 MILLION OF INTEREST, YOU ARE TELLING US TODAY THE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY INTEREST THAT WE HAVE IN ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS, THE NICE GENTLEMAN WHO PROVIDED THE REPORTS ALL OF THE INTEREST IS ACCOUNTED FOR AND THERE IS 0 LEFT IN THE INTEREST-BEARING ACCOUNT THAT WE CAN USE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> WHAT I DID THE ESTIMATES IT IS 4 MILLION BUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. IT COULD BE 3.3, THAT NUMBER IS IN HER BOOKS AND UNLESS WE DO OUR FULL EVALUATION OF OUR NUMBERS AND I PUT THE REAL NUMBERS IN THE COULD BE 4.6, 4.7 OF INTEREST IT COULD BE HIGHER. >> AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER WE MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER FIVE OR $600,000 OF INTEREST. >> OR 2 MILLION. >> HE SAID 4.6600000 MILLION. >> WHEN I RAN AFTER AUGUST IT'S 4.6. >> WHEN I RAN MY INTEREST THAT WAS RECORDED FROM OCTOBER TO JULY WAS 4.6 FOR THE GENERAL FUND. >> THAT'S IT FROM AUGUST, SEPTEMBER. >> THREE MONTHS STILL RECORDED ANYWHERE A MONTH FROM INTEREST. >> IN ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS OR WHAT ACCOUNT. >> WITH MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS WHERE THE MAIN OPERATING ACCOUNT WE HAVE AN INTENSIVE CLASS, MULTIPLE INVESTMENTS THAT FUND INTEREST. >> HOW MUCH IS THAT TOTAL. THAT'S WHY I COULD NOT GET OFF THE REPORT EITHER, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TOTAL INTEREST THAT WE HAVE IN ANY ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE, TEXAS CLASS, JOE CLASS, FRED CLASS, I DON'T CARE ANY CLASS THAT'S WHAT I CANNOT GET THE ANSWER TO. >> WE DON'T GET OUR BANK STATEMENT INTEREST UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH, WE RECEIVED AUGUST SO WE WILL NOT GET THE AUGUST NUMBERS IN A FEW WEEKS WILL START PUTTING THE MEN TO RECORD THE INTEREST AND FROM AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER WE HAVE TREATMENTS OF INTEREST TO GO AND UNLESS I GET THE FULL BALANCE I CANNOT TELL YOU THE EXACT AMOUNT OF INTEREST THAT WOULD BE THERE TO INCLUDE OTHERWISE. I WOULD SAY IF WE DO ON AVERAGE ROUGHLY. >> EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY ACCOUNT? >> YES. >> WITH THE GENERAL FUND EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY ACCOUNT THAT WE GARDNER INTEREST ON. >> WERE TALKING MILLION. IF WE DO FUND 19, 12, THIS, WERE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF IT AND WE CAN'T TOUCH 19 OR 13 BECAUSE FUND 19 IS OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. >> WAIT LET ME DO IT ONE AT A TIME FACTOR IN GETTING TO. >> CAPITAL PROJECTS, OBLIGATIONS REQUIRED INTEREST TO BE THE MONEY THAT IS THERE WE CANNOT DO IT. >> WE CANNOT USE IT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE CAPITAL PROJECT. WE CAN USE IT FOR THE ROOF? [02:05:01] >> YES. >> THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRAINED TO GET TO AND I HAVE NOT GOT IT YET. HOW MUCH IS IN FUND 19 CAUTION. CAUTION. HOW MUCH IS IN FUND 19, INTEREST THAT IS NOT ASSIGNED ALLOCATED OR DEDICATED TO ANYTHING, FUND 19. >> WHERE WE ALLOCATED SOME OF THE BALANCE WITH THE FUN FOR ME. >> 1901 IS NOT A SEO THAT IS CAPITAL BUT THAT IS NOT A SPECIFIC SEO IT IS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU CREATED 1901 IS NOT FOR SEO'S, THAT IS IMPORTANT. 1901 IS NOT A SEO. THAT IS FOR GENERAL SO THE INTEREST CAN GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> THAT CAN GO TO GENERAL FUND. >> WE ALLOCATE. WHAT IS 1901? >> WE DID A LIST AND HOW MUCH WE HAD IN EACH OF OUR DEALS. >> THE LIST WAS NOT ACCURATE. >> I GAVE IT TO YOU I GIVE YOU ALL THE NUMBERS. >> IT WAS NOT CORRECT OR ACCURATE. >> RIGHT. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IS IN THERE. >> I HAVE LORENZO BRING EVERYTHING BACK UP FOR YOU ALL. >> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THE WHAT IS THE NEXT FUND THAT YOU'RE RATTLING OFF. >> COMMISSIONER FOR ALL THE INTEREST THAT WE HAD EARNED THIS IS WHENEVER I RAN THE REPORT ON AUGUST 26. THIS IS 1901 WE HAD $130,187.1915 WE HAD 1600. >> ALL THE OTHER CEOS ARE RESTRICTED AND YOU CANNOT USE IT ON ANYTHING OTHER SEO STUFF. >> WHAT IS 1915 THAT IS A SEO EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN 1901 IN THE FUND 19 IS THE CEO. >> 1901 HAS 130,000, $187 AND THE REST OF THE CEOS HAVE $1,974,128. >> IT COULD BE USED TOWARDS THE ROOF. >> THAT COULD BE USED TOWARD THE RIVER ANY OTHER CAPITAL PROJECT. WHENEVER WE RECOGNIZE THE REVENUE. PERIOD TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT LIKE I DID THIS LAST YEAR WHERE WE MOVE THE FUNDS TO UNALLOCATED AND THE COMMISSIONERS COURT CHOOSES TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS. >> THE WORD BUDGET TODAY WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS, ANY OTHER FUNDS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE HOUSE INTEREST THAT WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED FUND 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 15 DOES NOT HAVE INTEREST I TAKE THAT BACK, ALL THE OTHER FUNDS HAVE INTEREST. >> ROAD AND BRIDGE. IT IS RESTRICTED FOR USE FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE. >> THIS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT THIS IS THE STUFF THAT WE NEED TO HAVE BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT CAN'T SUPPLEMENT AND IF WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. >> IS IN THE ESTIMATED ACTUALS. ALL THE REVENUES THAT WERE ESTIMATED. >> I ASKED WITH THIS REPORT FOR YOUR OFFICE FROM THREE TIMES AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT. I ASKED FOR REPORT TO PUT IT ON ONE PAGE THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR TO PUT ON ONE PAGE THAT HAD ALL THE INTEREST ACCOUNTS ON ONE PAGE THAT TOTALED IT ALL BUT SO I DID NOT HAVE TO DIG THROUGH 67000 PAGES OF BUDGET STUFF IS HIDDEN OR NOT HIDDEN AND HARD TO FIND I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE SUMMARY FOR A WEEK AND A HALF THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. IF THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ON THE 4 MILLION THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT THEN I WILL MOVE ON BUT I'M SURE NOT GOING TO MOVE OUT OF THE BUDGET WITHOUT THE STUFF BECAUSE I HAVE TO KNOW IT. >> FUND 12 AS OF AUGUST IS $92048 IN INTEREST. THAT IS ROAD AND BRIDGE. WHAT IS NEXT. >> FUND 13 IS FUNDS THAT INCLUDES YOUR REGULAR MANAGEMENT, IMAGING, DISTRICT COUNTY CLERK AND ALL YOUR FEES THE PAY OF THE TOTAL REVENUE. [02:10:01] >> ENTER. >> INTEREST, THAT'S WHAT I N ME. >> 1 MILLION TWITTER 9047. >> THAT IS INTEREST-ONLY THAT IS NOT THE FLOW COMING ONTO THE SPECIAL FUNDS. >> FUND 14 WHICH IS A FIGURE. >> IS A RESTRICTION ON THAT THAT HAS TO BE RELATED TO WHATEVER THE REVENUE IS DIRECTED TO OKAY. >> WE HAVE FEDERAL FORFEITURES, STATE FORFEITURES. >> WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES THOSE. >> ACTUALLY NO, SOME OF THE SPECIAL FUNDS IT SAYS IT HAS TO STAY WITH THAT FUND, SOME OF IT DOES NOT, DEPENDS ON THE FUND. YOU HAVE TO GO BY DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHICH ONE IS RESTRICTED BASED ON THE STATUTES AND WHICH ONES AREN'T. >> THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN. 14 IS THE FAIRGROUNDS IN THE BALANCE IS $65076. SIX TO 5000 WHAT. >> $65070. >> THE LIBRARY IS $105. >> KEEP GOING, FOR THE COUNTY AIRPORT. 6839. >> AVENUE BOARD WE GOT. >> A LOT. >> AND 70 PUT THAT ON A SUMMARY SHEET, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR I DON'T WANT TO WASTE THE COURTS TIME BUT THIS IS ALL I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR CAN SOMEONE DO THAT BEFORE WE GET TO BUDGET, IS THERE ANY INTEREST AFTER THAT WE CAN USE TO AVOID GETTING THIS OUT OF THE RES RESERVES. >> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION THAT I WANT TO ASK. >> WHAT IS ON THE FIRST ITEM THAT YOU TOLD THE BALANCE. 1901, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL BALANCE THAT GAVE US THE INTEREST. >> THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING THEIR AFFRONTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT IS USED TO START THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND THE END OF THE YEAR SO I CAN'T TELL YOU. >> YOU PULL MONEY OUT. >> I DON'T PULL ANY MONEY OUT THE STATE DOES. >> WHAT WAS A BALANCE ON THE DEPARTMENT NUMBER THAT GOT US TO THE INTEREST. >> AGAIN YOU HAVE TO GO FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND GO TO THE TRANSACTIONS. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS BUT WHAT MIGHT IT BE, WHAT IS USUALLY IN THEIR. >> WHAT CAN IT BE SPEND ON. >> I WANT TO BALANCE. >> THE BEGINNING BALANCE OF THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, LAST YEAR'S BALANCE. >> 1901 MADE $140,000 YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT A MILLION, I DON'T KNOW I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VERY BEGINNING. >> IS THAT MORE OR LESS RIGHT AND WHAT THE INTEREST RATE THAT THEY'RE GIVING US, THE BALANCE THAT WE HAVE AN. >> INTEREST AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WAS 3.5 COMMENSURATE NOW 6.2. SO YOU TELL ME. >> NO, YOU TELL ME, YOU ARE THE AUDITOR. >> IT CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR END THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, I CANNOT SAY. >> IT'S JUST SOME OF THE BALANCE FIGURES THAT YOU GAVE SEEMED KIND OF LOW TO ME AND I ALSO KNOW WHAT DEPENDS ON THE BALANCE THAT WE HAVE IN THE BANK SO WE CAN GENERATE THE MONIES. THAT IS ALL I'M ASKING WHAT WAS THE BALANCE IN ON THE 15TH SOMETHING, WHAT WAS THAT BALANCE. >> COMMISSIONER, EVERY YEAR THE FUND BALANCE, YOU TAKE YOUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE PLUS ALL THE REVENUES AND ALL THE FUNDS IN ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS MINUS ALL OF THE EXPENSES IN ALL THE FUNDS AND ALL THE ACCOUNTS TO GET YOUR ENDING FUND BALANCE. THAT FUND A BALANCE THAT WE GIVE YOU THAT IS AN ACTUAL NUMBER ALREADY INCLUDES ALL THE PREVIOUS YEARS INTEREST. WE HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT REVENUE. >> TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE A LOW INTEREST FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I'M THINKING THAT WE HAVE IN THEIR. >> THOSE BOOKS WERE AUDITED BY OUR EXTERNAL AUDITORS. THOSE REVENUES ARE ACCURATE, THEY HAVE BEEN VERIFIED BY OUTSIDE SOURCES. ALL THE REVENUES HAVE BEEN REPORTED, THERE IS NO REVENUE THAT WE ARE HIDING. >> EVERY TIME THAT WE ASK WE END UP WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS, FIRST IT WAS 30 MILLION THEN 20 MILLION DEFICIT. >> THAT IS NOT ON US. >> IT IS ON SOMEBODY. >> IT IS ON THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. >> COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE GOOD AFTERNOON IT MAY BE WORTH POINTING OUT THE INTEREST RATES IN PREVIOUS YEARS HAVE BEEN A LOT LOWER THAN TODAY SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. >> WE ARE VERY THANKFUL. [02:15:01] >> THANK YOU. >> WE ARE VERY THANKFUL AND IN ALL OF THIS, EVERYBODY HAS WORKED VERY HARD AND WE NEED TO ASK HER QUESTIONS EVERYONE BUT LET'S KEEP IN MIND WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, THIS IS A DIFFICULT YEAR WITH THIS BUDGET. I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, I BEEN DEALING WITH THIS AS WELL AND THEY HAVE AS WELL WITH AUDITORS, I MEAN WITH AUDITORS OFFICE, WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WITH NUMBERS CHANGING, WITH HER AND BALANCE BUT BASICALLY ALL WE NEED TO WORK MOVING FORWARD IS OUR FUND BALANCE THAT THEY SAY WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDED THAT WE CAN USE IS 28 MILLION BEGINNING GOING FORWARD. IF WE PAY THE 4 MILLION FOR THIS INSURANCE, THAT IS GOING TO DROP US DOWN TO 24 BEGINNING. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR BILLS, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR INSURANCE, I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN GET A SECOND ON THE MOTION BAR HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED. IF WE WANT TO TRANSFER BITS AT A TIME BUT WE WILL ALL STILL HAVE TO FACTOR THIS INTO OUR BUDGET WITH THE HEALTH AND INSURANCE CLAIMS THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING COMING ALONG AS WELL. I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER. >> SO MOVE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER, IT IS ALL GENERAL REVENUE, RESERVES OR GENERAL REVENUE. I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR CHANGES, NOBODY IS HAPPY ABOUT THIS, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AND YOU POST, SAME SIGN, MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. NOW WE CAN BEGIN THE OTHER TASK [1. Discuss and consider adoption of an Order approving the 2023 tax roll; setting the 2023 tax rate for the Nueces County Hospital District; and levying said tax rate against all taxable property in Nueces County for 2023.] OF THE BUDGET. WE WILL MOVE INTO ITEM D ARE BUDGET THE FIRST THING ON OUR BUDGET IS THE ONE AND I GUESS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AN ADOPTION OF THE ORDER 2023 SATURDAY THE 2023 TAX RATE FOR THE NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND LEVYING SAID TAX RATE AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY NUECES COUNTY FOR 2023. HOW WILL. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> AFTERNOON JUDGING COMMISSIONERS. IF THE COURT GOES WITH THE RECOMMENDED TAX RATE FROM THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE 4% ABOVE THE NO NEW RATE AND IF THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT YOU GO WITH, THEN THE ORDER THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET WILL NEED TO BE ADJUSTED. >> IF THEY DON'T DO THE 4% AND THEY DO THE NO NEW REVENUE THEN THOSE NUMBERS WON'T CHANGE. >> YES. >> THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. >> THE RATE THAT'S IN YOUR POCKET IS A VOTER APPROVED RATE NOW IS THE ONE THAT WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, COMING AND ASKING FOR SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, 4% ABOVE THE NO NEW RATE. >> SHEN THAT WE APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SPECIFIC WAY WE HAVE TO MOTION THIS, I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO JUMP OUT. >> THE NUMBER HAS TO BE READ O OUT. >> WE DON'T HAVE THAT PAPERWORK ANYMORE. >> I HAVE THE PAPERWORK, WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION I HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAVE TO READ. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS MAKING THE MOTION. >> THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. >> THAT IS IT IT'LL BE THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. >> THE 4% RATE GIVES THE SAME REVENUE. >> THIS NEEDS TO BE READ FIRST BEFORE HIS MOTION. >> THIS FIRST ORDER RECORD VOTE. >> THIS GETS READ AND I SAID THAT I MOVE IN THE WE TAKE THE RECORD VOTE. YOU WANT TO BE THAT OUT OR DO YOU WANT US TO DO IT. >> IF YOU WANT TO OR I CAN DO IT. >> ALL READ IT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ WILL MAKE THE MOTION, THIS IS AN ORDER ACCEPTING AND IMPROVING THE 2023 TAX RULE SET IN THE 2023 TAX RATES IS THROUGH NUECES [02:20:03] COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND LEVYING SAID TAX RATE AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY NUECES COUNTY FOR 2023 WHERE AS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AUTHORIZES THE TAX COLLECTORS TO COMPUTE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE FOR 2023 FOR THE NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND WHERE AS NOTICE OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROPERTY TAX CODE AND THE RULES OF THE COMP TRAWLERS PROPERTY TAX DIVISION APPEARED IN THE CORPUS CHRISTI FOR NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT ON AUGUST THE 30TH 2023. WHERE IS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FINDS AND DETERMINES THAT THE PROPER PROOF UNDER PROCEDURE HAS BEEN FOLLOWED TO LAWFULLY CONSIDER THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR 2023 INCLUDING PROPER NOTICE OF THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2023 AS PROVIDED BY CHAPTER 551 GOVERNMENT CODE BURDENS TEXAS CODE AND WHERE AS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FINDS AND APPROVES THE TAX RATE FOR AN OASIS COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT FOR THE CURRENT YEAR CONSISTING OF THE FOLLOWING, THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATING TAX OF.0 85242 IF APPLIED TO THE TAXABLE VALUE IT WILL IMPOSE THE TAXES NEEDED TO FUND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION EXPENDITURES OF NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. THIS TAX RATE WILL RAISE MORE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION THAN LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE. THIS TAX RATE WILL EFFECTIVELY BE RAISED BY 3.12% AND WILL RAISE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION ON $100,000 HOME BY APPROXIMATELY NEGATIVE $13.61. THEREFORE BE AWARDED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT THE 2023 TAX ROLL AS EMITTED BY NUECES COUNTY TAX APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO THE NUECES COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR IS APPROVED IN THE FOLLOWING TAX RATE PER 100-DOLLAR VALUE IS SET AND LEVIED AGAINST ALL PROPERTY FOR 2023. NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT.0 85242 PER $100, BE IT FURTHER ORDERED THAT EXISTING HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS FOR 2023 SHALL INCLUDE 20% FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION BUT NOT LESS THAN $5000.62500 FOR OVER AGE 65 OR DISABLED EXEMPTION. PLUS EXEMPTIONS MANDATED BY STATE LAW AND BE IT FURTHER ORDERED THAT NO DISCOUNTS ARE TO BE ALLOWED FOR EARLY PAYMENT OF TAXES, SPLIT PAYMENT OF TAXES AS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 31.0 THREE OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. THE PROPOSED ORDER ACCEPTING AND IMPROVING THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE 2023 TAX RATES FOR THE NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND LEVYING TAX RATES AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY AND NUECES COUNTY HAVING BEEN READ PUBLIC, HAVING BEEN ALLOWED IN COMMENTS BEING CONSIDERED ON A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR MOTION. >> JUDGE WILL REASON I'M MAKING THIS MOTION IS BECAUSE YOU HEARD HIM SAY A WHILE AGO THAT THIS RATE WILL NOT, THIS WILL BE THE SAME AS LAST NOT INCREASED AND I THANK YOU HI HEARD YOU SAY. >> HOLD ON. >> YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION AS IT READS REALLY CANNOT COMMENT. IT IS INCREASING SHOULD. >> YOU CANNOT MAKE THOSE COMMENTS, YOU HAVE TO STAY EXACTLY. >> THE TAX RATE OF 0.0 85242 WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 4% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. >> DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> RECORD VOTE. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >> COMMISSIONER. >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S. >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. >> AYE. >> I AM AND AYE. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SIGN THESE NOW OR WOULD YOU WANT ME TO DO. PUT THIS ASIDE. [2. Discuss and consider adoption of the 2023-2024 Nueces County Hospital District Budget.] ITEM NUMBER TWO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE 2023 - 2024 NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT BUDGET AND WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED THAT ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS THEIR BU [02:25:02] BUDGET. >> THE BUDGET IS THE ONE THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET. >> SOMEWHERE. >> IS THE ONE THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING. >> IF I CAN GET A MOTION, OR DO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON THEIR BUDGET MOTION TO ACCEPT. >> YOU JUST NEED TO STAY APPEAR, DO YOU HAVE A CHAIR. >> AS PRESENTED, YES. >> DO WE HAVE TO DO A RECORD VOTE. >> I MOVED TO ADOPT THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED, THIS BUDGET WILL RAISE MORE TOTAL PROPERTY TAXES AND LAST YEAR'S BUDGET BY $2,038,854 OR 5.23% AND OF THAT AMOUNT, $820,354 IS TAXABLE REVENUE TO BE RAISED FROM NEW PROPERTY TO THE TAX ROLL OF THIS YEAR. DO I HAVE A SECOND. >> THANK YOU. >> A MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER MATOS. >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. >> AYE. >> MYSELF. AYE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DO? IS THAT CORRECT. >> WE LOOK LIKE WE'VE GOT CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> ARE WE GOOD OR ARE WE WAITING ON YOU. >> SORRY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THESE ARE BOTH RIGHT HERE. [3. Discuss and consider adoption of an Order approving the 2023 tax roll; setting the 2023 tax rate for Nueces County; and levying said tax rate against all taxable property in Nueces County for 2023.] >> DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER THREE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDER APPROVING THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE 2023 TAX RATE FOR NUECES COUNTY AND LEVYING SUCH TAX RATE AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY NUECES COUNTY AND THERE IS A THING I HAVE TO READ ON THIS ONE TOO. , IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO READ YOUR MORE THAN WELCOME. >> JUDGE, YOU ARE DOING GREAT. >> THANK YOU IN ORDER EXCEPT HE DID APPROVE THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE 2023 TAX RATES FOR NUECES COUNTY. I ASSUME THIS IS YOUR CURRENT ONE I WENT OFF ON WHAT I HAD IN MY POCKET. EXCEPT HE DID APPROVE THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE 2023 TAX RATE FOR NUECES COUNTY AND LEAVY'S TOUCH TAX RATE AGAINST TAXABLE PROPERTY NUECES COUNTY FOR 2023. WHERE IS THE COMMISSIONER COURT AUTHORIZE THE TAX EXCESS OR TO COMPUTE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE AND VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE FOR 2023 FOR THE COUNTY FARM TO MARKET AND LATERAL ROAD AND FLOOD AND WHEREAS NOTICE OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROPERTY TAX CODE AND RULES OF THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE PROPERTY TAX DIVISION APPEAR TO THE CORPUS CHRISTI TIMES FOR THE COUNTY FARM TO MARKET AND LATERAL ROAD IN FLORIDA ON AUGUST THE 30TH 2023. AND WHEREAS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FINDS AND DETERMINES THAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE HAS BEEN FOLLOWED TO LAWFULLY CONSIDER THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR 2023 INCLUDING PROPER NOTICE OF THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2023 AS PROVIDED BY CHAPTER 551 GOVERNMENT CODE BURDENS TEXAS CODE AND WHEREAS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FINDS AND APPROVES SEPARATELY THE TAX RATE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR CONSISTING OF THE FOLLOWING TWO COMPONENTS. THE DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE OF.0 37676 THAT IF APPLIED TO THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE WILL IMPOSE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TAXES NEEDED TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE NEXT YEAR. NUMBER TWO, THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION TAX RATE OF .215 0 79 [02:30:05] THAT IF APPLIED TO THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE WILL IMPOSE THE AMOUNT OF TAXES NEEDED TO FUND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION EXPENDITURES OF THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT YEAR. THIS TAX RATE WILL RAISE MORE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION THAN LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE THIS TAX RATE WILL EFFECTIVELY BE RAISED BY 3.5 0% AND WILL RAISE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION ON 100,000-DOLLAR HOME BY APPROXIMATELY A NEGATIVE $34.51. THEREFORE BE ORDERED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT THE 2023 TAX ROLL AS EMITTED BY THE NUECES COUNTY TAX APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO THE ASSESSOR COLLECTOR IS APPROVED IN THE FOLLOWING TAX RATE PER 100 VALUE ARE SET AND LEVIED AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY FOR 2023, THE NUECES COUNTY GENERAL FUND AND IN NO .212160 PER $100, NUECES COUNTY FARM TO MARKET LATERAL ROAD AND FLOOD CONTROL .002919 PER $100 ITEM SEEN OASIS COUNTY TOTAL IN IN 0.215079 PER $100 AND ITEM D NUECES COUNTY DEBT SERVICE .037676 PER $100 THE TOTAL NUECES COUNTY TAX RATE ADD SEE ANDEE .2527 PER $100 YET FURTHER ORDERED THAT THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FOR 2023 SHALL INCLUDE 20% FOR HOMESTEAD BUT NOT LESS THAN $5000.62500 FOR OVER AGE 65 OR DISABLED EXEMPTION PLUS THE TAX LIMITATION ON THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT MAY BE IMPOSED ON THE RESIDENT HOMESTEAD OF A DISABLED INDIVIDUAL OR FOR THE SIX EVENT OLDER PURSUANT TO ARTICLE FOR A ONE BH OF THE CONSTITUTION BY STATE LAW THAT NO DISCOUNTS ARE TO BE ALLOWED FOR EARLY PAYMENT OF TAXES SPLIT PAYMENT OF TAXES OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE NOT BE ALLOWED THE PROPOSED ORDER ACCEPTING AND APPROVING THE 2023 TAX ROLL SETTING THE TAX 2023 AND LEVYING SAID TAX RATE AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY NUECES COUNTY HAVING BEEN READ PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVING BEEN ALLOWED IN COMMENTS HAVING BEEN CONSIDERED ON A MOTION, NOW I NEED TO READ THE MOTION AND GO BACK. ON A MOTION TO ADOPT A TOTAL TAX RATE OF .252755. I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX RATE OF .252755 WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 5.20% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. I THOUGHT IT WAS 3.5 IS ALL THAT WE CAN DO. >> IT IS A 3.5 I'M NOT DOING 5.2 WE HAVE TO DO VOTER APPROVED. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE, LET'S CLARIFY. I'M NOT DOING THIS. >> IT IS A 6.56% INCREASE, THE FIRST BUDGET BOOK SAYS 6.56% INCREASE. >> IT IS ITS NEW REVENUE AND NEW GROWTH. NEW GROWTH, NEW REVENUE. >> PER TAX CODE 26.05B OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE THERE IS A WORKSHEET THAT HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE STATE COMPTROLLER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TAXATION GUIDELINES THAT STIPULATES HOW THE RATES ARE CALCULATED IN THE LANGUAGE IN WHICH THE MOTION IS MADE THE MOTION FOR THE 5.2 WHICH IS RIGHT THERE TAKES THE NO NEW REVENUE TOTAL TAX RATE THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED TAX RATE, THEN YOU SUBTRACT OUT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND YOU TAKE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL TAX R RATE. IT IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL TAX RATE FROM THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND IT IS 5.20. >> THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD GOES ON. >> THIS IS NOT MY FAULT THAT IS THE REASON I HAVE TO PLUG THE NUMBERS INTO THE SOFTWARE IN ORDER TO GET THE FORMS TO CALCULATE. >> I DID NOT SAY IT WAS YOUR [02:35:04] FAULT. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I ABOUT HAD A HEART ATTACK. >> THAT INCLUDES THE DEBT SERVICE RATE, THE PROPERTY TAX CODE ALLOWS YOU TO ADOPT A DEBT SERVICE RATE THAT FULLY FUNDS YOUR DEBT. YOU ARE FULLY FUNDED DEBT SERVICE RATE IS .037676 PER $100 OF PROPERTY. THAT FULLY FUNDED DEBT SERVICE RATE IS EXCLUDED WHENEVER YOU CALCULATE THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE. THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE IS SET BASED ON THE IMINO TAX RATES FOR THE GENERAL FUND, THE 3.5% HAS BEEN CALCULATED BY TAKING THE NO NEW REVENUE MNO TAX RATE FROM LINE 35 FROM THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE WORKSHEET. THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED MNO TAX RATE WAS .215079 PER $100 OF EVALUATION. THEN YOU TAKE THIS YEARS, THEN YOU SUBTRACT OUT THIS YEAR'S NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF .007272 IN THAT GET YOU YOUR PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN MNO TAX RATE. YOU DIVIDE THE .007272 BY THE NO NEW REVENUE MNO RATE THAT IS LINE 39 OF THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE WORKSHEET WHICH IS .07807 WHICH IS THREE AND HALF% INCREASE. OKAY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HERE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT THAT SHE JUST READ. >> TO REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD YOU AND YOU AGREE TO ADOPT YOU GET TO SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >> I WISH YOU WOULD'VE GIVEN ME A LITTLE BIT OF A HINT. REMEMBER I TOLD YOU THAT WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING. >> OKAY. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE ADOPT THE TAX RATE BEFORE WE ADOPT THE TAX RATE DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO TAKE OUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT. >> WE HAVE TO DO THE RATE FIRST. >> I ASKED THAT TO. >> THEY REQUIRE US TO DO THE RATE FOR. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> I HAVE MADE THAT MOTION AND MOVES, DO I HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THIS HAS TO BE A RECORD VOTE ON THE TAX RATE. THE VOTER APPROVED 3.5% TAX RATE BUT THIS MOTION WITH ALL OF THE LANGUAGE THAT SHE JUST READ OUT. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSION GO TO THE BUDGET MAKE CUTS. >> THAT IS AFTERWARDS. >> ADOPT THE BUDGET. >> WE HAVE TO DO THE RATE FOR. >> WE ALL ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. >> I DIDN'T MEAN TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ YOUR VOTE. >> JUDGE I APOLOGIZE AND THIS IS NO REFLECTION ON YOU JUDGE BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE I HAVE SEEN WE HAVE NOT BEEN VERY GOOD STEWARDESS OF THE TAXPAYER MONEY. SO FOR THIS REASON I AM IN NO NEW REVENUE TAX. >> YOU ARE AGAIN. >> I AM AGAINST. >> YOU ARE AGAINST THIS MOTION. >> 3.5. >> I AM A NO. THAT'S THE REASON I'M IN NO. >> IT'S OKAY WILL COME TO THAT MINUTE. >> COMMISSIONER MAREZ BIMAH AYE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >> NO SPINNAKER MR. GONZALEZ. >> NO. >> AND I MAKE THE MOTION SO THE MOTION FAILS. >> WE HAVE TO SAY THE COURT WANTS TO ADOPT. >> IT LOOKS LIKE NO NEW REVENUE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. >> NO NEW REVENUE TAX. >> IS GOOD READING WHO COULD MAKE THE MOTION. >> YOU HAVE TO READ THAT ALL OVER AGAIN BUT WITH THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. [02:40:04] >> IT DIDN'T PASS OR YOU WANT TO ADOPT ANOTHER ONE. >> NO I DON'T KNOW. >> WE NEED A MOTION IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SET. >> I AM WHERE I AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE'S. >> IS THERE ANOTHER NUMBER THAT YOU WANT? >> THEN YOU HAVE TO READ IT. >> I WOULD ASSUME COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ OR COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. >> YOU WANT ME TO READ IT WOULD IT OR YOUTWO? >> ALREADY TO GIVE A HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> RD SUPPOSED TO BE SIGNED OR ARE THESE NOT ANY GOOD ANYMORE. >> OKAY I'LL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING BACK. THANK YOU. IN ORDER EXCEPT HE DID IMPROVE IN THE 2023 TAX RULE SET IN THE TAX RATES FOR NUECES COUNTY AND LEVYING SAID TAX RATE AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY AND OASIS COUNTY FOR 2023 WHERE AS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AUTHORIZES THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR TO COMPUTE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IN VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE FOR 2023 FOR THE COUNTY, COUNTY FARM TO MARKET AND LATERAL ROAD AND FLOOD AND WHERE AS NOTICE OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROPERTY TAX CODE AND RULES OF THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, PROPERTY TAX DIVISION APPEARED IN THE CORPUS CHRISTI CALLER TIMES FOR THE COUNTY FARM TO MARKET LATERAL ROAD IN FLORIDA ON AUGUST 30, 2023 AND WHERE AS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FINDS AND DETERMINES THAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE HAS BEEN FOLLOWED TO LAWFULLY CONSIDER THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR 2023 INCLUDING PROPER NOTICE OF THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2023 AS PROVIDED BY CHAPTER 551 GOVERNMENT CODE BURDENS TEXAS CODE AND WHERE AS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FINDS IN APPROVE SEPARATELY THE TAX RATE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR CONSISTING OF THE FOLLOWING TWO COMPONENTS, THE DEBT SERVICE RATE OF .037676 THAT IF APPLIED TO THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE WILL IMPOSE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TAXES NEEDED TO PAY DEBT SERVICE FOR THE NEXT YEAR, THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION TAX RATE OF .202577 THAT IF APPLIED TO THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE WILL IMPOSE THE AMOUNT OF TAXES NEEDED TO FUND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION EXPENDITURES OF THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT YEAR, THIS YEAR'S TAX LEVY TO FUND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION EXPENDITURES DOES NOT EXCEED LAST YEAR'S MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION TAX LEVY, THE TAX RATE DOES NOT EXCEED THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, AND THEREFORE BE ORDERED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT THE 2023 TAX ROLL AS OMITTED BY NUECES COUNTY TAX APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO THE NUECES COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR APPROVED THAT THE FOLLOWING TAX RATE PER 100-DOLLAR VALUE ARE SET AND LEVIED AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY FOR 2023 AND OASIS COUNTY GENERAL FUND MNO .199735 PER 100 AND BE NUECES COUNTY FARM TO MARKET LATERAL ROAD AND FLOOD CONTROL .002842 PER $100 C NUECES COUNTY TOTAL MNO .202577 PER $100. D, NUECES COUNTY DEBT SERVICE .037676 PER $100. NUECES COUNTY TOTAL TAX RATE ADD C AND D.240253 PER $100 BE IT FURTHER ORDERED THAT THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FOR 2023 SHALL INCLUDE 20% FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION BUT NOT LESS THAN $5000.62500 FOR OVER AGE 65 ARE DISABLED EXEMPTION PLUS A TAX LIMITATION OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT MAY BE IMPOSED ON THE RESIDENT HOMESTEAD OF A DISABLED INDIVIDUAL OR THOSE 65 OR OLDER PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 81 BH OF THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION AND EXEMPTION MANDATED BY STATE LAW AND BE IT FURTHER ORDERED THAT NO DISCOUNTS ARE TO BE ALLOWED FOR EARLY PAYMENTS OF TAXES SPLIT PAYMENT OF TAXES AS DESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION 331.0 THREE OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED, THE PROPOSED ORDER ACCEPTING AND APPROVE EACH THE 2023 TAX RATES FOR NUECES COUNTY AND LEVYING [02:45:02] SAID AGAINST ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY AND OASIS COUNTY HAVEN'T BEEN READ PUBLIC, HAS NOT BEEN ALLOWED AND, TAPPING CONSIDER. >> I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, WANT TO MAKE THIS VOTE YOU CANNOT GO BACK SO THAT IS $3 MILLION PLUS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE RIGHT OFF THE FUND BALANCE. >> PLUS THE FOUR. >> PLUS THE 5 MILLION THAT WE WILL NOT GET FROM THE REFINERIES. >> OR CUT YES. >> THERE IS NO SPECIAL LANGUAGE. >> THERE IS NO SPECIAL LANGUAGE. >> IT IS JUST ABOUT. >> I NEED A MOTION AND ABOUT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. >> WHO MADE THE MOTION. >> TO BE HAVE TO DO A RECORD VOTE. >> YES. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY GONZALEZ SECOND BY HERNANDEZ. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, COMMISSIONER MAREZ. >> AYE. >> ASSURE CHESNEY. >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ BIMAH AYE. >> AND MYSELF AYE. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. >> THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO SIGN, PASS IT AROUND I'LL LEAVE IT UP. >> OKAY. [4. Discuss and consider adopting an Order rescinding prior year budget resolutions and orders.] ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDER RESENDING THE PRIOR YEAR BUDGET RESOLUTION AND ORDERS AND I NEED TO READ THIS AS WELL. I WILL CONTINUE READING. COMMISSIONERS COURT RESOLUTION IN ORDER RESENDING ALL PRIOR YEAR BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ORDERS. WHERE AS RESOLUTIONS AND ORDERS RELATED TO BUDGETARY AND FISCAL MANAGEMENT OF COUNTY FUNDS ARE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND WHERE AS THE RESOLUTION AND ORDER INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET MAY REQUIRE A REVISION EACH BUDGET YEAR, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED AND ORDERED BY THE COMMISSIONERS BOARD OF NUECES COUNTY TEXAS THAT ALL RESOLUTIONS AND ORDERS INCLUDED IN THE 20 23,2020 FOUR COUNTY BUDGET ARE HEREBY RESCINDED EFFECTIVE OCTOBER THE FIRST 2023. I WILL MAKE A MOTION MYSELF ON THAT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO RESEND ALL PRIOR ORDERS ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, ENDING SEPTEMBER 30 FOR LAST YEAR'S ORDERS. A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> AYE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A RECORD VOTE ON THAT, RIGHT? ANY OPPOSED. >> I MADE THE MOTION MAREZ SECOND. THE MOTION PASSES. THIS IS THE PART WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET AND INCLUDE WHERE PEOPLE COME UP ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. >> ORDERS AND RESOLUTION THAT YOU'RE REPLACING FROM WHAT YOU'RE SENDING. >> ALL OF THESE RESOLUTIONS AND. OKAY WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO [5. Discuss and consider adoption of Orders and Resolutions related to the proposed 2023-2024 Nueces County Budget.] READ. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDERS AND RESOLUTIONS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED 2023 - 2024 NUECES COUNTY BUDGET. FIRST UP LOOKS LIKE THE ORDER OF THE NUECES COUNTY BUDGET AUTHORITY FOR EMPLOYEE POSITIONS BE THIS ORDER APPLIES, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS OR DO WE JUST READ THEM ANTSY. I HAD A QUESTION. >> NONE OF THEM HAVE CHANGED VERY MUCH FISCAL YEAR. >> I WANTED TO CLARIFY IF YOU ARE IN A DEPARTMENT WITH OPEN POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT FROZEN OR ANYTHING THIS DOES NOT AFFECT YOU WE ARE NOT FREEZING ANY POSITIONS. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. >> WAS 30 IN THE BUDGET. >> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION. >> I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. >> ORDER OF THE NUECES COUNTY COURT AFFECTING BUDGET AUTHORITY FOR EMPLOYEE POSITIONS, THIS ORDER APPLIES TO IN AFFECTS ALL EMPLOYEES WHO ARE AUTHORIZED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF SUBSECTION 1 152.011 LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE BURNING TEXAS CODE WERE OTHER AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT TO SET COMPENSATION AND CONTROL THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND NUMBER TWO TO ALL THE EMPLOYEES WERE AUTHORIZED IN THE 2023 - 2024 COUNTY BUDGET EXCEPT NUMBER THREE DOES NOT APPLY TO EMPLOYEES IN WHICH THE COMMISSIONERS COURT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO SET COMPENSATION. IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED FOR EACH EMPLOYEE POSITION THAT IS BLANKET AS OF OCTOBER 1, 2023 OR BECOMES BANK IT ON OCTOCTOBER 1, 2023 OR THEREAFTER DURING BUDGET [02:50:06] YEAR 20 23,2020 FOUR, NO OFFICIAL SHALL HIRE OR FILL AN EMPLOYEE POSITION THAT IS VACANT UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT NO SALARY ALLOWANCE OR OTHER COMPENSATION SHALL BE PAID EXCEPT FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES ON THE PAYROLL AS OF OCTOBER 1, 2023 UNLESS SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED OR RATIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. THE SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR EACH VACANT EMPLOYEE POSITION MAY BE TRANSFERRED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT TO A SPECIAL RESERVE DESIGNATED BY THE COUNTY AUD AUDITOR. THE AUTHORITY AND FUNDS PROVIDED BY THIS BUDGET ARE FROZEN FOR EACH VACANT POSITION UNTIL RELEASED AND REINSTATED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. YOU ARE SAYING THIS IS NOT FOR PEOPLE -- (INAUDIBLE). >> IT IS GOOD. OKAY. BUT YOU HAVE TO COME TO COURT ANYWAY WHEN YOU HIRE SOMEBODY BUT WERE NOT SAYING REFREEZING AND YOU CANNOT HIGHER. >> IT IS SAYING THAT. >> THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT, IT DOES NOT READ WRITE TO ME BUT. >> WITH BUDGET CUTS THERE ARE FROZEN POSITIONS AND THEY MUST COME TO COURT BEFORE THOSE CAN BE CONSIDERED BUT THAT IS A CONTINUATION OF BEFORE AND THE COURT CAN FREEZE IF IT SO CHOOSES. >> THIS IS ALL VACANT POSITIONS, THIS DOES NOT SAY FROZEN, THIS IS ALL POSITIONS. >> DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT ONE RIGHT NOW, CAN WE PAUSE FOR T THIS, I CAN'T EVEN FIND THAT. I CANNOT FIND IT. >> DID YOU. THE BUDGET. >> OH YEAH. >> I HAVE ALL OF THEM. >> THEY JUST CHANGE THE DATES IN THE WORDING. >> I WOULD LIKE THE WORDING ON THIS ONE TO BE CHANGED TO FROZEN POSITIONS BECAUSE I THINK WERE HINDERING THE ABILITY. >> AND WE PAUSE ON THE FROZEN POSITIONS UNTIL WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION, ONE OF MY DISCUSSIONS IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE DO THE VACANCIES AND HOW WE MAKE THE CUTS WE NEED TO MAKE TO GET DOWN TO THE 3 MILLION THAT WE ELIMINATED ALL THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX VOTE. I'M ASKING IF WE COULD PAUSE ON THAT AND SEE WHAT WE DO WITHOUT DISCUSSION. >> CAN WE SKIP NUMBER FOUR AND COME BACK TO IT. >> IS OUR OPTION. >> TO EVEN HAVE TO DO THEM. >> THERE IS NO ORDER IF WE ADOPT THE BUDGET WE CAN COME BACK AT THAT LATER TIME. >> ADDRESSES ORDERS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE AND WE CAN DO THIS WHENEVER WE WANT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. >> WE CAN DO THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING? >> WE COULD. >> YOUR ADOPTING THE BUDGET AND THE ORDER. >> WE WILL COME BACK TO IT [6. Discuss and consider Adoption of the Proposed 2023-2024 Nueces County Budget as presented by the County Auditor, in his capacity as the Budget Officer for Nueces County including decisions regarding whether to continue outside agency contracts, County Programs, and personnel changes (including but not limited to) pay, steps, freezing, reduction-in-force and consolidation or elimination of certain Nueces County departments for the 2023-2024 fiscal year, and related matters.] TODAY. ALSO COOL TO COME BACK TO YOU. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THE BUDGET AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND MAKE CHANGES. DISCUSS ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED NUECES COUNTY BUDGET AS PRESENTED IN ITS CAPACITY INCLUDING DECISIONS REGARDING TO CONTINUE OUTSIDE AGENCY CONTRACTS, COUNTY PROGRAM, PERSONNEL CHANGES BUT NOT LIMITED TO PACE STUBS AND CONSOLIDATION AND ELIMINATION OF CERTAIN NUECES COUNTY DEPARTMENTS FOR THE 2023, 2024 FISCAL YEAR END RELATED MATTERS, FIRST THE I WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLY DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TOE ITEMS INCLUDED, THE ITEMS ON THIS LIST IN YOUR PACKET, THIS LIST HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. IF YOU HAVE AN ITEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL OUT FOR DISCUSSION OR A VOTE TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH WE WILL DO IT LIKE OUR CONSENT AGENDA. GIVE ME THE NUMBER THAT YOU WANT TO PULL OUT AND WE WILL PULL IT OUT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION OTHERWISE IF YOU WERE OKAY WITH WHAT HAS REALLY BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET THEN WE WILL LEAVE IT ALONE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ATTENTION. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE TRANSPARENT. >> JUDGE YOU SHOULD HAVE A FEW ITEMS FOR ME I DON'T KNOW IF NOW IS THE TIME TO ADJUST. >> IT IS NOT ON THIS I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD ADD IT NOW. >> NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO START TALKING ABOUT IT. >> THE COURT SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE DEPARTMENT 1030 WHICH IS MINE AND SOME CUTS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GOT ON THE BUDGET. I THINK IT IS PAGE. YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT. [02:55:03] >> IS PAGE 19 BUT IT IS A COPY. THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS UNDER 5210. OFFICE EXPENSE APPLIES. I AM GOING TO CUT BACK TO $1000 AND ITEM 5410, OTHER SERVICES INTO TRAVEL 5540 CUT THAT IN HALF TO 1550 SO THAT SHOULD COME UP TO 2550. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE BUDGET CHANGE. >> (INAUDIBLE). >> I WAS GOING TO CROSS THAT OUT BUT I NEED TO KEEP IT JUST IN CASE IF THERE IS ANY COPY OR PRINTERS. THANK YOU SORRY I SHOULD NOT OF SCRATCH THAT OUT. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT I AM ACTUALLY ADDING TO THE BUDGET IS CUTS IN 5210 AND 554. THAT IS ON PAGE 19 OF THE BUDGET BOOK. >> THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A VOTE, THAT IS YOUR BUDGET. >> WE ARE JUST ADJUSTING AND YOU ARE TAKING THE NOTES. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THEM WE ARE GOOD. >> WHATEVER AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE, NO ONE DISAGREES WITH THAT. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> PERFECT. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ON THIS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. I THANK YOU HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO PULL COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ FROM THIS FOR DISCUSSION. FIND THE RIGHT LIST. I HAVE A WHOLE STACK GOING EVERYWHERE TO. >> GO-AHEAD. >> GO-AHEAD. >> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO NUMBER 11 CAN I PULL NUMBER 11 SINCE WE HAVE 5 MILLION, IT'S A THOUGHT BUT NOW IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE NEED MORE MONEY BUT THEY COULD USED TO MILLION OF THAT TO HELP REDUCE THE DEBT OF THE FUND BALANCE. >> ITEM NUMBER 11 HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE CONTINGENCY APPROPRIATION LOST DUE TO THE REFINERY TAX DISPUTE. >> WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO AS WE BECOME TRIED TO GET 2 MILLION. IT WAS 3.2 TO 5.4. WE HAD 5 MILLION. >> IS A $5 MILLION CONTINGENCY IN THE BUDGET. >> WE WILL USE 2 MILLION TO HELP REDUCE THE DEBT THE FUND BAL BALANCE. THE FUND BALANCE IS 24. >> THE DEBT IS COVERED. WE COVERED OUR DEBT. >> THIS IS A RED NUMBER THIS IS A NEGATIVE NUMBER. >> WE HAD $5,000,423 AS A CONTINGENCY IN HER BUDGET AT THE MOMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. >> BUT YOU HAVE A ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE BUDGET SO THIS IS EARLY IN THE BUDGET THE 1.7, RIGHT? THIS IS ITEMS INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND AS PRESENTED BY THE BUDGET OFFICER ARE PART OF THE BUDGET, THIS IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. >> THE 5 MILLION IS IN THE CONTINGENCY. >> YES. >> IS ALL IN THE CONTINGENCY, YES. >> WHY NOT USE 2 MILLION FROM THEIR FROM THE CONTINGENCY LIMIT DOWN TO 3 MILLION. >> WE CAN DO THAT BUT AGAIN THE CONTINGENCY IF YOU DON'T USE THE FUNDS YOU DON'T GET ANY ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE ACTUAL EXPENSE. >> HE HAD ANOTHER ITEM. >> COMMISSIONER, THE COURT HAVE TO TAKE ACTION IN ORDER TO USE THE CONSISTENCY APPROPRIATION FUND SO HAVING THE CONTINGENCY APPROPRIATION DOES NOT ENTITLE. >> IT WILL TAKE EMOTION FROM THE COURT, I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY. >> I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> NUMBER 15. >> NUMBER 15 I KNOW WE USED 1 MILLION FOR THE SOFTWARE AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SOFTWARE. IT WAS 80000 OR SOMETHING BUT I GUESS IT IS 1 MILLION. >> ALL OF THOSE LISTED DOWN [03:00:05] THERE ARE THE SOFTWARE CHARGES FOR THIS YEAR. I'M JUST SAYING WE TAKE OUT 2 MILLION FROM THE WAIVER WERE 2.5 AGAIN TO HELP THE DEBT FOR THE FUND BALANCE. AND BRING UP THE FUND BALANCE AND PROBABLY IF WE GOT IN THE 1115 WAIVER I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 4 MILLION IN THEIR. >> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIX. >> 1115 WAIVER IS KIND OF LIKE A CONTINGENCY, YOU DON'T NEED TO TRANSFER IT IN THEIR. >> IF WE DON'T HAVE IT AND THERE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT OUT. >> ESTIMATE AT SIX IF WE DO THE VON BALLIS FROM LAST YEAR 4.8 WE RECEIVED A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AROUND ONE 07 SO WERE PROBABLY AT SIX AND A HALF. WERE YOU TO BE USING 1 MILLION SO WERE BACK DOWN TO MAYBE FIVE. >> ARE YOU SAYING CAN YOU MOVE SOMETHING INTO THE WAIVER INTO THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE? >> THAT IS HIS QUESTION. >> ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AT 1115 WAIVER BE USED FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT. >> IT CAN BE SPENT BUT NOT JUST TRANSFERRED SITTING IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE. >> NO IT CAN'T. >> IF WE PUT IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE DESIGNATED AS A RESERVE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SPECIFICALLY DO SO IT'S NOT A ONE-TIME KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BUT IT'S A USE OF FUNDS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO USE THAT WOULD BUILD UP OUR FUND BALANCE BECAUSE YOU ARE READY TOLD ASTARTE NOW WERE GOING FROM 28 TO MAY 24. >> WHAT WE DID WE USE A $1 MILLION COMING FROM THE SOFTWARE AND THE 1 MILLION IS COVERING EXPENSES. WE DID ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND WE KNOW THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS IS NOT A SIGN OF EXPENSE SO IF IT'S TRULY A KNOW THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL RESERVES POSSIBLY. >> ADDITIONAL RESERVES I'M JUST SAYING THIS WILL HELP US CUT BACK TO 3 MILLION. >> AGAIN THAT'S UP TO THE COURT HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. RIGHT NOW WERE TRANSFERRING $1 BILLION FROM THE 1150 WAIVER INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO COVER THE BALANCES THAT WE HAVE ON A ONE-TIME FEE FOR THE SOFTWARE. >> IF YOU TRANSFER ANOTHER 1 MILLION INTO THE GENERAL FUND. >> THAT COULD BE USED FOR RESERVE, 100% RESERVE. >> THAT WILL ERASE SOME OF THE DEFICIT THAT WE JUST CREATED. >> IN REAL TIME THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS A GREAT IDEA COMMISSIONER THAT WE COULD DO AND IT'S NOT A ONE TIME OR WERE SAYING IT'S IN THE RESERVE. >> WE COULD USE IT ON ANYTHING. >> I WAS JUST USING THAT NUMBER YOU COULD PICK WHATEVER NUMBER. >> AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL EXPENSES OR ANYTHING ELSE IT WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE RESERVES. >> TO RETAKE THE WHOLE $3 MILLION AND PUT THAT. >> WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE $6 MILLION FOR THE ROOFS. >> I THINK WE GOT THE ROOF COVERING. >> YES WE CAN WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS, WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT WE HAVE 5 MILLION OF THEM RIGHT THERE NOW. >> WE HAVE NOT TOUCHED WAIVER FOR ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT SINCE I DON'T KNOW WHEN. >> LAST YEAR WHEN YOU GIVE THE 1.5 MILLION TO THE HEALTH APARTMENT, THAT WAS IT. WE ARE DONE DOING THAT I REMEMBER DONE BUT WERE DONE WITH THAT. >> THE EXPENSES HAVE BEEN VERY MINIMAL NOT MUCH GOING THROUGH THERE. >> WHAT ARE MY MISSING. >> WHY HAVE WE NOT USE THAT. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON THE 1150 WAIVER THE WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GIVING US A MONEYED WITH A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS AND THEN ONCE THE WAIVER ENDED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THOSE RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN LIFTED. >> AS OF WHEN? >> GOOD QUESTION. >> THERE ARE REIMBURSEMENT FOR FEES THAT WERE EXPENDITURES THAT THE COUNTY MADE SO ONCE THE MONEY CAME BACK DOWN TO THE COUNTY. I DON'T SEE JOHNNY HERE. >> HE GOT HIS MONEY AND RAN. WE HAVE AN OPINION WE CAN CIRCULATED AGAIN BUT NOT FROM US AND I FORGET WHAT AGENCY BUT IT CAN BE USED FOR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TIME DIFFERENCE BUT AS LONG AS I HAVE DEALT WITH 1115 WAIVER MONIES THEY HAVE BEEN SPENDABLE HOWEVER,. >> I KNOW THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED. >> AT ONE POINT WHEN HE WAS AT THE HEALTH DISTRICT THE ONLY [03:05:04] THING THEY COULD USE IT FOR WAS FOR OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT IS WHAT THE GRANT WAS FOR. >> WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE GRANT THE COUNTY HAD DIABETES AND WE HAD A NAVIGATION ONE OTHER FUNCTION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO USE THE FUNDS FOR THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE FUNDS IN BUT AT SOME POINT TIME WE GOT DIRECTION FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT ANYMORE AND IT BECAME FOR THE COUNTY WE WERE USING IT FOR THE CITY COUNTY HEALTH UNTIL WE SPLIT. >> LET ME MAKE SURE THIS IS ALMOST TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, I'M NOT GETTING EXCITED UNTIL I ASKED THIS FOR THE 14 TIME TO MAKE SURE IF WE PUT THIS IN AND DESIGNATED FOR GENERAL RESERVES ONLY THEN THAT IS NOT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND WILL END UP BEING SHORT NEXT YEAR? >> IT IS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING A ONE-TIME RESERVE FIRST OF CASH. YOU NEED TO SIT CLOSER. >> SHE NEEDS A MICROPHONE. >> YOU'RE NOT SPENDING IT. IF YOU'RE NOT SPENDING IT HOW IS IT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD? >> YOU ARE GIVING THE GENERAL FUND A ONE-TIME SURPLUS OF CASH THAT IS GOING TO HELP YOUR FUND BALLOTS, AGAIN YOUR FUND BALANCES YOUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE PLUS YOUR REVENUES THAT WILL INCLUDE THE TRANSFER IN MIND ISSUE EXPENSES SO WE WILL OFFSET THE EXPENSES, THAT IS HOW IT WILL INCREASE YOUR FUND BALANCE. NEXT YEAR YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SURPLUS OF FUNDS TO TRANSFER SO YOU WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE DEFICIT. IF WE HAVE A DEFICIT. >> CORRECT. >> WHEN WE HAVE A DEFICIT. >> HOW DO WE HAVE A DEFICIT NEXT YEAR WE GO BACK ROOM THIS IS THE BAD YEAR. >> THE REFINERIES ARE GOING TO PAY WITH A 250%. >> WHERE HE HAD BEEN FACTORED INTO THE BUDGET IN THE CHANGES NEXT YEAR. ANOTHER WAS THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE FOR THE NO NEW TAX RATE IS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. >> THAT YOU ADOPTED THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR'S REVENUE WILL BE BASED ON THE AMOUNT THAT YOU ADOPTED THE SHEER SO THE SHORTAGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE THE SHORTAGE THAT WE START WITH NEXT YEAR. >> THE SHORTAGE THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR WHICH IS THE 3 MILLION IS GOING TO BE THE SHORTAGE THAT WE START WITH NEXT YEAR. >> WHAT IS THE AMOUNT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EFFECTIVE TAX RATE, NO NEW TAX RATE AND WHAT WE JUST DID 3 MILLION. >> YOU ADOPTED THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. >> WHAT DO WE HAVE TO CUT THREE, 3.5. >> WITH 5 MILLION FOR THE REFINERIES THAT ARE NOT GOING TO PAY. >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NO NEW. >> 3.7 ON THE TAX WITHOUT THE 3.5%. >> WHEN I PUT THE CUTS IN I GOT DOWN TO 2.7. WE CAN OPERATE THIS IN REAL TIME. I NEED TO KNOW BASED ON WHAT WE DID WHAT WE NEED TO CUT. >> 3.7. >> CUT OR ADD REVENUE. >> WHEN I DID THE REEVALUATION AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ ASKED US TO REDO K-1 AND THE ONE FOR ESTIMATES VALUE BASE OF THE CUTS IN REVENUE FOR NO NEW REVENUE TAX I WAS READY TO $.8 MILLION DEFICIT. 2.8 AND 2.9 IF WE DID THE LOVE AND 50 WAIVER THAT WOULD BE LOST. >> DID YOU ADD IN THE TWO POSITIONS THAT WE JUST DID A MINUTE AGO. THOSE ARE GONE THAT HAS TO BE ADDED IN. >> OR KNOCK ON THEIR MOVE TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. >> THE ONE POSITION WAS ALREADY REDUCED. 180 THE ADDITIONAL 180 HAS TO GOING TO REAL-TIME AND THEN YOU'RE CUTTING THE DEPARTMENT WHATEVER THE DEPARTMENT EXPENSES ARE THE DEPARTMENT EXPENSE FOR SUPPLIES. IS IT 2.8 OR 2.9 YOU KNOW ME. >> 2.9 PLUS A 200,000 READ REDUNDANT .7 GOING IN AND HEAR WHAT LISA IS SAYING AND THAT'S WHY ASKED THE 14 TIME I WAS NOT SURE THAT WAS NOT KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD KIND OF SITUATION BUT CAN YOU DESIGNATED TO THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE THAT IT CANNOT BE SPENT AND DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE ANALYSIS AND LISA'S ANALYSIS. >> WE CAN TRANSFER AND WHATEVER YOU DECIDE ADDITIONAL 15 WAIVER BUT THE PROBLEM OF RESTRICTING FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT IS A [03:10:03] LITTLE BIT, KATIE. WE COMBINE ALL THE REVENUE INTO ONE POLE AND WE TAKE THE PULLOUT TO USE IT FOR EXPENSES. AS LONG AS EXPENSES DON'T EXCEED WHAT THEY HAVE THE ADDITIONAL MONEY COMING IN WILL DEFINITELY BE RESERVES. YES SO WE COULD TAKE A MILLION AND LISA WILL SAY THAT WILL CAUSE A DEFICIT AND MAYBE IT WILL MAYBE IT WON'T BUT WE ALSO FIND MORE MILLION WE COULD DO ANOTHER MILLION NEXT YEAR END ANOTHER MILLION THE YEAR AFTER THAT. >> OR WE CAN PULL IT OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR OR WE CAN REFURBISH IT. I DON'T THINK IT'S SMART TO DO THE WHOLE AMOUNT, IF WE DID A MILLION AND WE LOOK TO OTHER CUTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE LIST THAT WILL ADD UP. I THINK WE CAN MAKE CUTS THAT COULD GET US TO THE 2.7 THAT AREN'T SUPER PAINFUL. >> COMMISSIONER I DID PROVIDE YOU A LIST OF WHAT OUR REVENUE FOR INTEREST IS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. IN OUR BUDGET WE NORMALLY BUDGET A LOW AMOUNT FOR THE GENERAL FUND OF ANYWHERE TO 800,002,000,000 AND LET'S SAY WE BRING IN THE SAME THING 4.6. >> WE CAN'T DO THAT BACK THAT AS ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE DID NOT HAVE BUDGETED. >> WE CANNOT DO THAT BECAUSE THE MONEY IS GOING AWAY. >> I GO AWAY IN A HEARTBEAT BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD USE SOME OF THE INTEREST FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS I THINK THE 2.5 MILLION SITTING IN THE CAPITAL PROJECT GOES TOWARD THE ROOF OR OTHER CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE A HUGE NEED FOR, THAT IS A ONE-TIME EXPENSE. >> WE DEFINITELY CAN BUT I REMEMBER WE WENT TO THE LAST SUBJECT COURTS AND THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO USE THE INTEREST ON CERTAIN THINGS ALREADY SO SOME OF THE INTEREST HAS ALREADY BEEN USED. >> THERE IS MORE COMING, THAT IS A QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO. WHAT IS NOT ALLOCATED TODAY OF THE 2.5 I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S BEEN VOTED ON. IN THE ROOF IS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL AT THE MOMENT IT IS NOT PART OF THE BUDGET WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO IT BUT I'M JUST THROWING THINGS OUT BUT MY POINT IS NOT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT IT WAS TO SAY USING INTEREST ON ONE-TIME EXPENSES A BETTER WAY THAN DOING IT AND STICK IT IN THE BUDGET BUT THE 1115 WAIVER IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WE KNOW WE HAVE 6 MILLION SITTING IN THERE AND WE COULD DO THIS FOR FIVE YEARS BECAUSE I THINK SOME IS ACCOUNTED FOR MAYBE IT'S ONLY FIVE WE COULD DO THIS FOR FIVE MORE YEARS THAT WOULD OFFSET WHAT LISA IS SAYING THAT WE COULD END UP SHORT THAT WOULD START US OFF IF WE TRANSFER 1 MILLION IN AND COULD WE MAKE THAT A DESIGNATION NOW, CAN WE SAY, CAN WE SAY WERE TO DO THIS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. >> YOU COULD SAY WE PROPOSE TRANSFERRING A MILLION DOLLARS, LET'S SAY THE COURT AGREES WE WILL SAVE MORE AND WE WILL DO TO AN 1 MILLION ADDITIONAL FUNDS HAS TO BE PUT INTO A RESTRICTED FUND, RESTRICTED AREA THAT CAN BE USED WITHOUT QUARTER 40. 100% OF GUARANTEE RESERVES. >> AND WE ALSO SAY THE INTENTION OF THE COURT IS TO DO THAT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? >> UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T RESTRICT THE COURT TO THAT SO WE HAVE TO DO IT SEPARATELY BUT IF YOU CAN DO A PLAN THAT IS DEFINITELY A PLAN WE CAN TALK ABOUT. >> SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN DURING THE YEAR AND WE'RE GOING TO FORGET THIS CONVERSATION AND WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO USE THE 1115 WAIVER MONEY SOME TRYING TO SET SOMETHING UP MAYBE NOT BINDING BUT ARTICULATES OUR INTENT TO DO FOR THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS INTO THINGS LEVEL OUT WE MAY NOT HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT TO ME I KNOW IT'S KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BUT IS FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. >> ON 1115 WAIVER DEPARTMENT WE CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS THERE THAT SAY THESE FUNDS CANNOT BE USED WITHOUT STRICT AUTHORITY OF THE COURT FOR THIS PURPOSE. >> THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. >> THESE ARE INTENDED FOR BUDGET PURPOSES. >> THAT WE DON'T RESTRICT THE GENERAL FUND AUTHORITY. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO TRANSFER A MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE 1115 WAIVER. >> THAT 30 DAY. >> THERE'S A MILLION ALREADY IN THE PROPOSED. >> ADD IN ADDITIONAL. >> ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION INTO THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE WILLIAMS HAD BEEN THE COURT WILL [03:15:04] RESTRICT THESE FUNDS IN THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD TOLD BE USED FOR BUDGET PURPOSES UNLESS CHANGED BY THE COURT. >> THAT THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE PRETTY OPPOSE, SAME TIME, THE MOTION PASSES. ANY OTHER THINGS. >> I HAVE SOME MORE. >> NUMBER 17. I HAD A? ON THEIR WHAT SAVINGS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. >> WE VOTED ON THAT TO CANCEL GOING FORWARD. WE CANCELED THE ORDER COMING IN SINCE OUR FLEET. WE VOTED ON THAT IN THE PRE PREVIOUS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON. >> WERE GOING TO CANCEL THAT? >> YOU HAVE YOUR PERMISSION ADD MY AYE TO THAT. >> IT IS 1 MILLION. >> OF A QUESTION ON 17. >> @. >> I WAS AWARE THERE WAS A CAR AND IN LYNN PARK DID NOT GET BUT THEY WERE BEING BILLED FOR. >> I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. >> EDWARD WAS HERE EARLIER. >> IT WOULD BE PURCHASING RIGHT? WERE STILL GETTING BILLED FOR THE CAR BUT THEY NEVER GOT THE CAR. >> WHAT IS THE QUESTION. >> IT SAYS SAVINGS, WHAT IS THE SAVINGS? >> WE MADE BUDGETED THE VALUE OF THE CAR AND WHEN HE BRINGS US IN HE SAYS WILL GET 53 CARS WE DON'T KNOW AT THE END OF YEAR WE WILL GET THESE 53 CARS WE BUDGET THE FULL AMOUNT AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND NOW WE KNOW WERE GOING TO SUSPEND THIS AND REDUCE IT DOWN TO EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONSECUTIVE CZAR. >> $190,000 SAVINGS. >> $190,000 IN SAVINGS. >> WE DID NOT CANCEL -- >> WE CANCELED ABOUT 50 CARS BECAUSE THERE WERE $6000 A PIECE PER YEAR. >> LEAST. >> ALL GET WITH MICHAEL AND SEE WHERE HE IS. IF THAT IS THE CASE WE WILL GET THE BILLING FROM ENTERPRISE ENTERPRISE WORKS WITH THE PURCHASING AND MAKE SURE WHO THEY HAVE IT DESIGNED TO TO MAKE SURE THE BILL IS RIGHT AND WE WILL GET THAT FIXED. >> I WAS LOOKING AT THAT. >> WILL HEAD. >> I PULLED 24. I HAVE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THEM THAT WE USE A 70000 IS AS GENERAL FUND BUDGET REDUCTION INNOCENT USES 70000 FROM THE CAPITAL CREDIT. IS THAT WE WERE USING THE 70000 FUND. >> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE GENERAL TO SPECIAL REVENUE AT ONE TIME WAS A FAMILY PROTECTION NOW IT'S CAPITAL CREDIT ADMINISTRATION WERE THAT COULD BE USED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOP AS WELL AS ECONOMIC FUNCTIONS SMACK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE 30,010,000. >> 30000, 30, 30 AND 10? ASS THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. >> YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE GROUP THAT DOES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY IN THE ENTIRE AREA VERSUS ROXIO. >> I DON'T WHAT THEY'RE DOING. >> I DO. >> GIVE IT TO THEM EACH. >> THIS IS MY MOTION, YOU CAN HAVE ONE TO INCREASE YOURS, THAT IS UP TO YOU BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENING IN THE WESTERN AREA OF THE COUNTY AND WE DON'T THINK THERE IS BUT THERE IS A LOT THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH, A LOT OF COMPANIES ARE COMING IN (INAUDIBLE) THERE WILL BE A LABOR COUNTY AND KING RANCH BUT THEY WILL ENTER TO COUNTY ROAD 75 BISHOP SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE. >> WHERE DO WE STOP AND THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TO OTHER PEOPLE. IF YOU GET A GO THAT ROUTE WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PEOPLE THAT GIVE IT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN CAL ALLEN AND MIDWAY IN ALL OF THESE PLACES DESERVE SOMETHING. >> WE SHOULD, WE COULD, BRING IT [03:20:02] UP AND WILL VOTE ON IT. MY MOTION RIGHT NOW IS 30, 30 AND 10. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE 70000-DOLLAR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIVIDED AND DISTRIBUTED 30000 TO CORPUS CHRISTI ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, 30000 TO ROB'S TOWN AREA DEVELOPMENT AND 10000 TO THE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT, DO I HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> A DISCUSSION. >> SO UNFAIR. SO WRONG, COME ON MAN. >> I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST BUT I DID WANT TO GET ON RECORD AND SAY WE SHOULD KEEP IT AT 50 FOR OUR EDC. I WANT TO SEE AN INCREASE FOR REDC OF THE CORPORATION. IN THE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. I HAVE DONE THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND I PLAN TO DO THAT WITH MY OWN FUNDING. I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF THE PHILOSOPHIES AND ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS TO HELP REDUCE THE BUDGET AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND TO USE HER OWN FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT I PLAN ON DOING. LIKE I SAID I SUPPORT THE MOTION TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION BUT I'M NOT WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTING IT BUT I WILL USE FUNDING THAT IS ALLOCATED TO ME AND BALANCES THAT I HAVE TO HELP SUPPORT TO REDC IN THE DMD PER ESPECIALLY THE DMD I GO DOWN TO THE ART WALKS A MUSIC FEST THE LAST SEVERAL MONTH AND ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO FIRST FRIDAY OF EVERY MONTH IT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE DOWNTOWN SCENE AND YOU FIND IN HUGE CITIES. YOU CANNOT EVEN WALK DOWN CITY STREETS OR SIDEWALKS WITH ALL OF THESE AMAZING BUILDINGS AND OFFICES ARE OPEN ART DISPLAYS, MUSIC, FOOD, I PLAN ON SUPPORTING THEM AS WELL. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL. >> YOU WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION? I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU. >> I WAS GOING AT IT LATER I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EASIER TO DO IT LATER OR ADD IT NOW. >> WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT WE HAVE. >> I CAN DO IT EITHER WAY BUT I AGREE WITH REDC THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF GROWTH BUT I WAS GOING TO PUT MONEY IN EXTRA 20 TO GET US TO THE 30. HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO DO IT, I DO IT NOW. >> YOU CAN DO IT NOW OR INCREASE IT LATER. >> I EVENTUALLY WANT TO ADD MORE TO THE DMD DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AS WELL. >> I WANT TO COMMENT, WE THINK THESE ARE GREAT ORGANIZATIONS AND DO A LOT FOR COMMUNITY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE UP. THAT IS NOT THINKING THAT LINE. GIVEN THE BUDGET THAT WE ARE FACED WITH I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE THIS IS THE AMOUNT THAT WE SET ASIDE IN WHATEVER WE CAN DO ON OUR OWN WITHIN OUR BUDGET SPECIAL REVENUE OR WHATEVER IS A GREAT IDEA TO ADD TO THAT. >> AS YOU MENTIONED THESE FUNDS WERE MOVED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO A SPECIAL FUND CALLED CAPITAL CREDIT THIS LAST YEAR FOR CAPITAL CREDIT WE RECEIVED $99000 RIGHT NOW WE HAVE $312,000 IN THE FUND BALANCE. WHAT A TALK ABOUT A POSSIBLE INCREASE WITH WHAT THE COURT DOES, THIS FUND HAS FUNDS AVAILABLE TO DO IT. >> THERE MS. MONIES THERE? >> YES. >> BASED ON WHERE WERE AT ALL BE HONEST YOU ARE THE MAJOR MOTION BUT I WAS GOING TO BE A MOTION OF TO CUT IT OFF ASKING PEOPLE TO MAKE CUTS IN WITH THESE BUDGET CUTS AND NO RECLASSIFICATION AND NO RACES OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE TO GET BY POLICY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CUT, NO NEW EXTRA AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WE CUT THIS YEAR TO MAKE THE DEFICIT UP BECAUSE AS THE JUDGE SAID SO WELL SO MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE ABOUT WERE STATUTORY OBLIGATED TO DO AND THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE THINGS. I AM ALL, I'M GLAD WE GIVE IT TO THEM BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE IT AWAY AND TAKE IT OUT OF HER BUDGET. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A ONE-TIME SPECIAL THING FROM ANOTHER DEAL BUT I THINK IDA, OUT OF A LINE ITEM COMPLETELY. >> WORDY REDUCING FROM THE GENERAL FUND IS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND COMPLETELY. >> I GET IT BUT IT'S STILL TAXPAYER MONEY. >> THIS IS CAPITAL CREDIT IS RESTRICTED AND CAN ONLY BE USED ON DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS AND FAMILY PROTECTION. >> I KNEW THERE WERE TWO THINGS. >> MAYBE WE OUGHT TO BRING BACK THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IN OTHER WORDS AND FORGET TO DO FOR THREE WE ADDED YOU FOR 12 WERE DUE FOR NINE BECAUSE IS A LOT ECONOMIC ABOUT THEM IN GROUPS THAT ARE JUST AS GOOD AS ROB'S TOWN, REDC IN DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT THAT WE DON'T FUND. WHERE DO WE STOP AND START. I'M OKAY WITH MAKING IT EQUITABLE. BUT IT CAN'T JUST BE THOSE. I HAD TO FIGHT FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN MY PART OF THE COUNTY. LET ME TELL YOU YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S GREAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON THE ISLAND THEY ARE KICKING BUTT AND TAKING [03:25:01] NAMES IN THE ONLY MONEY THAT THEY GET IS A LITTLE WHAT I GIVE OF AGENCY FUNDS. MAYBE WE OUGHT TO BRING THIS BACK AND REVISIT IF THAT'S WHAT REMOVING IT TO EPISODIC WOULD AFFECT THE GENERAL FUND. LET'S HAVE IT. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> EVER GET TO GET TO D.C. LET'S GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY OUT OF THE CAPITAL CREDIT FUND OR LET'S USE THE CAPITAL CREDIT FUND FOR SOMETHING ELSE AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF HER OWN. >> THIS IS NOT AFFECTING OUR GENERAL FUND THIS IS NOT AFFECTING OUR BUDGET SO WE CAN PULL JUST THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PUSHING TO THE 27TH AGENDA WHERE WE WILL NO HOW MUCH MORE ALL OF THE THINGS SO LET'S PULL ITEM NUMBER 24 AND IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN CHECK ON YOUR OWN SPECIAL REVENUE IN THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE VOTED ON TODAY. >> WE WILL PULL THE WHOLE ITEM OUT. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THIS BACK ON THE 27TH. >> YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, THAT WAS JUST FOR DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ MOTION TO INCREASE. >> I WAS GOING TO AMEND THE MOTION, I DON'T MIND DOING IT. >> I THOUGHT WE SHOULD BRING IT BACK. >> I FORGOT YOU HAD A MOTION. >> WHAT WAS THE SECOND. >> I MOVED TO AMEND MY MOTION WE BRING IT BACK UP ON THE 27TH FOR DISCUSSION. >> HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY WAS IN THERE? >> THE FUND BALANCES 312. >> IT CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FAMILY PROTECTION IN THE 312 WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. WE RECEIVED 90 AND WE SPENT 30 SO WERE ABOUT 370 PROBABLY. >> COULD YOU GIVE US A LIST OF WHAT IT COULD BE SPENT ON. >> ARE YOU GOING TO SECOND THAT'S BEEN A REAL EMOTION IN THE SECOND TO PUSH THIS TO THE 27. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> HE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN FOR THE MOTION PASSES. ANY OTHER ITEMS BEFORE I MOVE ON. >> ONE MORE. >> NUMBER 26 YOU MENTIONED WITHOUT FULL UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY AS 25 LIKE CMD THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. >> YOU MEAN 24. >> 26C AND D WOULD THEY FALL UNDER 24? BECAUSE -- >> AT A BELIEVE SO THAT THE LEGAL OPINION. >> I WOULD ARGUE THERE ARE DEFINITELY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OH MY GOSH ARE YOU KIDDING ME AND CC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, HOLY COW. THAT IS A MILITARY TASK FORCE. >> YES IT IS. IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >> 24 THAT'S ONLY THING WE CAN USE THE MONEY FOR. >> YOU WOULD NEED TO GET A COUNTY ATTORNEY OPINION. >> ARE MEMBERSHIPS ALLOWED FOR THAT? >> THEY USE IT TO ADVOCATE, FIGHT WIND STORM INCREASES AND THEY USE IT TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN OUR MILITARY BASES, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THEY DON'T KEEP THE RATES DOWN PEOPLE FLEE THIS PACE IF WE CAN KEEP OUR MILITARY BASES HERE THEN HOLY COW LOOK AT THE JOB THAT WE LOSE. I'LL TAKE A CHANCE ON THAT TODAY OF 70 TELLS ME DIFFERENT. THAT IS BIG TIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >> ONCE WE REVIEW THE DOCUMENTATION AND SEE ON PAPER OF THEIR OBLIGATION AND AUTHORITY WE CAN MAKE AN OPINION ON THAT BUT NOT BASED ON WHAT IS HERE. >> I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU PUT IT BACK TO 124. >> HAPPY TO DO THE RESEARCH. >> I'M WILLING TO TAKE A CHANCE IF YOU ARE. I'M WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO MOVE IT UP INTO 24 UNTIL HE GETS BROUGHT BACK ON THERE. THAT WOULD REDUCE ANOTHER GREAT IDEA THAT WOULD REDUCE 65000 SO IT WOULD REMOVE 26 CMD OF COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ INGESTION UP INTO ITEM 24 AND REMOVE THAT FROM THE GENERAL FUND SO THAT WOULD BE A 65000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AS LONG AS THE ATTORNEY OPINION SAYS IT IS ALLOWED. >> I DID NOT SAY THAT. >> WERE MOVING IT IN THE PERIOD IS GOING AWAY. [03:30:03] >> AS LONG AS A COUNTY ATTORNEY COMES BACK AND SAYS IT'S OKAY TO DO. >> ALRIGHT. >> WE DO NEED TO SEE IF IT IS OKAY. >> ALRIGHT. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN, THE MOTION PASSES. ANYMORE COMMISSIONER? >> NO MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ DID YOU HAVE SOME. >> THE ONE I HAD WAS ALSO 17. >> PERFECT. >> I HAVE ONE THING TO BRING UP VERY QUICKLY. IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY SIMPLE. I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THERE'S BUT JJ SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU DALE. HIS STATE APPROVED THE STATE-FUNDED DEAL SO IT'S NOT A COST TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE EMPLOYEE, RIGHT QUESTION IS BEEN A THAT'S CORRECT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ADDED TO THE BUDGET FOR THE VETERANS CEMETERY AS A SEMINAL PAY. IT WILL BE PAID FOR FROM THERE AS WELL AS THE BENEFITS FROM THEIR AND WE WILL MAKE SURE OF THE ADJUSTMENTS WE HAD A CONTINGENCY BUILT-IN AND SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. >> AS FAR AS ADMIN ASSISTANT AND INCREASE 12000 BUT IT'S NO COST TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> WE WILL MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE THAT TO THE VETERANS CEMETERY. >> DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT OR A STATEMENT. >> AS AMENDED THAT WILL BE INCLUDED. >> WE ARE GOOD. >> DID YOU GET MY QUESTION ANSWERED ON THE ARPA FUNDED POSITIONS. HAD THE DEPUTY EXAMINERS TO LISTENING AN INVESTIGATOR. I THINK I E-MAILED YOU YESTERDAY OR MONDAY ABOUT IT. >> THE WAY THAT WE DID IT FOR THE ARPA FUNDS, WE REMOVED THE INVESTIGATORS, THE DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER WAS MOVED OUT OF ARPA INTO THE GENERAL FUND IS A PLUS HOWEVER, THE DEPUTY CHIEF WILL BE A REDUCTION ONCE A PERSON IS BEEN MOVED TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER WILL HAVE A SAVINGS OF $70000 IN GENERAL FUND. >> THE FUNDING THAT LISTED ME UNDER THE LINE ITEM IS NOT GOING BACK INTO MINE. >> YES THAT IS GOING BACK INTO YOURS. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. >> WE HAVE A FEW DEPARTMENTS. >> GO-AHEAD COMMISSIONER. >> (INAUDIBLE). >> YES BUT WE HAVE SOME OTHERS TO SO I WANT TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD ANY. >> I WOULD ALSO I THINK WE STILL HAVE 100,000 FOR OUTSIDE AGENCIES IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT? >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ONE YEAR REDUCE THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER TO SPECIAL REVENUE FOR OUTSIDE AGENCIES AT $100,000 THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION AND FOR ALL. >> IS THAT NUMBER 25? >> WE JUST WENT TO GET A NEW ALLOCATION THIS YEAR. >> ONE YEAR. >> SO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS OUT AND EVERYONE USES THEIR OWN SPECIAL FUND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ ALREADY SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. WORKING TO CONTINUE THAT BUT WE WILL USE OUR OWN SPECIAL FUNDS FOR THE. >> ONE TIME WHEN YOU'RE ONLY. >> WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR DEPARTMENTS AND THEN WE HAVE FOR OTHER VOTES BEFORE WE MOVE ON. I THINK MR. SOLEIL YOU WERE HERE FIRST, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO JUMP UP TO THE MICROPHONE IF YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR CHANGES AND WHAT REQUEST, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. I PREPARED A PACKET FOR EACH ONE OF YOU MAY HAVE PERMISSION TO APPROACH TO GIVE YOU THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> THE REQUEST I AM PASSING OUT IS PRETTY SIMPLE. IF YOU REFER TO THE FIRST PAGE IT SHOWS A SAVINGS OF $25000 BY ELIMINATING THE HR GENERALIST POSITION IN THE EMPLOYMENT CORRELATOR POSITION WITH THE PROPOSAL TO HAVE AN HR MANAGER WE WOULD LIKE TO PROMOTE ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS TO HR MANAGER AND BY DOING SO IT WOULD NOT ONLY RESOLVE SOME CONCERN IN REGARD TO OVERTIME IT WOULD [03:35:03] PLACE THE EMPLOYEE IN EXEMPT STATUS, NEXT YEAR THE PROPOSED BUDGET GIVES ME $1000 IN OVERTIME IN THE EMPLOYEE HAS BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON HER WORKDAY PROJECT AND HAD 112 HOURS OF OVERTIME PAST THREE PAY PERIODS FOR SIX WEEKS WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT $5000 SO I REALLY NEED SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND TO DO SO AT A HIGHER LEVEL, RIGHT NOW SHE'S ON THE SAME LEVEL AS MY OTHER THREE EMPLOYEES SHE IS CONDUCTING SUPERVISORY TASKS BUT NOT A SUPERVISORY ROLE AND I ALSO NEED SOMEONE TO PROVIDE A MINISTRY TO DUTIES IN MY ABSENCE AND CORONATION WITH ME SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO BE MADE THE HR MANAGER, THE COUNTY IS STILL REALIZED SAVINGS OF $25000 IN THE CURRENT PROPOSED BUDGET ONLY EMANATES EMPLOYMENT CORRELATOR WHICH IS SUBMITTED TO MY REQUEST TO NOT REQUEST STILL NEEDS TO HAVE THE DUTIES THAT ARE IN MY DEPARTMENT COMPLETED. I REALLY NEED TO DISPERSE THOSE DUTIES AND DIVIDE THEM UP. I'M GOING TO BE REVISING THE JOB DESCRIPTION FOR MY DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE ALL TASK ARE COMPLETED AND WITH WORKDAY IMPLEMENTATION ON JANUARY 1 IS IMPERATIVE THAT I DO THAT BECAUSE OF JOB RESPONSIBILITIES WILL BE CHANGED AND AND IT REALLY MAKES IT THAT MUCH MORE URGENT THAT HAVE AN HR MANAGER TO PROVIDE THIS MINISTRY TO TASKS. >> IS THE HR DEPARTMENT STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP I NOTICED ONE POSITION, HE LOOKED LIKE TO. >> THE HR GENERALIST AND EMPLOYMENT CORRELATOR BUT IN PLACE OF THAT I WILL HAVE AN HR MANAGER. >> SO IT'S REALLY JUST ONE. >> I GLANCED AT IT WRONG. >> THIS IS GIVING SOMEONE MORE MONEY. >> YES IT'S A RECLASSIFICATION ELIMINATED WANTED RECLASSIFIED ONE. >> HERE IS MY BEEF. >> I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING, JUMPING. IN THE NEXT YEAR I PROJECT WILL NEED $25000 IN OVERTIME BASED ON THE TRAINING WITH THE ENTIRE COUNTY THE TASK TO PROVIDE TRAINING THAT IS NOT IN THE SCOPE OF DUTIES FOR WORKDAY. I WILL NEED TO CONTINUE SUPPORT OF OVERTIME AND CONTINUE SUPPORT OF HOURS EVEN WITH THIS PROPOSED BUDGET THE 25000 IS GOING TO BE CUT IN HALF BY JUST ADDING TO EXISTING SALARIES. >> HERE IS THE THING EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY COULD BE CREATIVE AND COME UP WITH RECLASSIFICATION OF SALARY SAVINGS WHEN WE SENT THE MESSAGE WE SENT THE MESSAGE OUT AND NOT SPEAKING FOR EVERYONE AND THIS IS WHAT I SAID HER MOTHER SAID, WHATEVER, DURING THIS BUDGET HOW DO WE DO RECLASSIFICATION, HOW DO WE DO RECLASSIFICATION AT A TIME LIKE THIS BECAUSE THAT MEANS ONE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR ELECTED OFFICIALS MORE CREATIVE AND SOMEBODY ELSE OR HAS ANOTHER FUND SOMEWHERE ELSE OR HAS THIS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET MORE MONEY FOR THEIR PEOPLE GET RAISES WHEN THE REST OF THE COUNTY WAS ASKED TO CUT, CUT, CUT. TO ME I GET THERE JUSTIFICATION AND THERE WILL BE OTHER IDEAS COMING FORWARD THAT THEIR IDEAS ARE GOOD BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MESSAGE WE ARE SENDING WE SENT ALL THESE MESSAGES TO ALL THESE BUDGET INFORMANTS YOU GOT IT CUT, DON'T ASK FOR RAISES, DON'T ASK BUT THEN OKAY THEN WE NEED TO SEND THIS BACK TO EVERY SICKLE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND FORGET ABOUT ONE SET OF RECLASSIFICATION WE GOTTA LET EVERYBODY HAVE A SHOT AT RECLASSIFICATION AND SALARY SETTINGS. I DO NOT THINK IT'S FAIR I DON'T THINK RECLASSIFICATION IS FAIR AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE TO DO IT. YOUR NUMBERS IN YOUR MATH MAY BE RIGHT BUT WE SHOULD ASCEND TO THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, GO AHEAD GIVE US YOUR BEST SHOT IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A SAVINGS OF ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE DID THAT, THEY KINDA GOT THE MESSAGE OF HOW BAD THE BUDGET WAS GOING TO BE, YOU HAVE A GOOD IDEA AND I'M STUCK BECAUSE WE SET OUT HEREIN SAID WE TOLD HER VIDEO COME BACK WITH RECLASSIFICATION CUTS, WE WANT CUTS SO YOU GOT CREATIVE, KUDOS TO CREATIVITY. [03:40:10] IT IS HARD FOR ME TO SUPPORT RECLASSIFICATION FOR YOU BUT YOU DON'T NEED EVERYBODY'S VOTE YOU NEED THREE SO WILL SHUT UP AND I'LL SEE IF YOU GOT THE THREE LET ME APPEASE YOU ALWAYS TELL YOU WEREN'T COMING FROM I MADE 150,000 OF MY DEPARTMENT. WHEN I SHOULD HAVE A STAFF OF SIX I GET A STAFF OF FOUR AND ELIMINATE A POSITION TO RECLASSIFY A POSITION TO MAKE SURE THE WORK IS DONE SHE'S BEEN DOING THAT SINCE I GOT HERE. >> SHAME ON US. THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN HANDLED YEARS AGO, SHE SHOULD NOT OF BEEN DOING THAT, HE OR SHE I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS. THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO FIX IT I AM PRESENTING THIS TO THE COURT FOR APPROVAL AND CONSIDERATION THAT I JUST BROUGHT FORWARD. I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE FACTS AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DO TO $5000 SAVINGS. IT H IT'S HARD BUT AS LONG AS UNICODE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WERE ASKING YOU NO CLEAR PURGATION TO HIGHER GRADE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AND NEXT YEAR AND WE HAVE A POSITION, IT IS GONE, RIGHT, DOESN'T COME BACK. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER I WOULD CONSIDER, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SURVIVE WITH ALL WE HAVE. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK. >> WE WILL SEE ALL THAT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. >> IT'S TIME TO SAY DITTO OF WHAT KING MICHENER GONZALEZ SAID. >> I WILL DO AS WELL. I DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING IN THE INSURANCE PROBLEMS THEY SHOULD'VE GONE THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT AND NEEDS TO HELP IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. WE ARE IN THE SAME YEAR AND WE ALLOWED OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS LONG AS THEY CAN TELL ME THAT IT IS A DEFINITE BUDGET CUT IN UNIPART MAY AND WHEN YOU START SOMETHING AND ALLOW IT FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS IT IS HARD TO SIT HERE AND SAY NO TO YOU WHEN I SAY YES TO THE PEOPLE AND I AM FINE WITH THAT. >> THINK USER. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE [03:45:07] IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> ABSTAIN, YES. THANK YOU. >> I CAN'T DO IT. >> I TOTALLY AGREE AND I WILL ABSOLUTELY SAY NO YOU NOT SHARE. LET ME WARN EVERYBODY. I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE PROPOSED BUDGET. >> YOU DO THE RIGHT MR. MITCHELL, GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON JUDGE. I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE PUTTING OUT A PRESENTATION WITH THE LOSS OF THE TWO ARPA FUNDED MEDICAL EXAMINER INVESTIGATOR'S WE PUT A PROPOSAL FORWARD FOR AN AMENDMENT TO OUR OWN BUDGET WHICH HAS A NET-ZERO IMPACT, WORKING TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THE TWO PART-TIME INVESTIGATORS THAT WE HAVE IN LIEU OF TRAIN TO BRING ON THE TWO ELIMINATED ARPA FUNDED INVESTIGATORS FULL-TIME. TO DO THAT WE CAN OFFSET SOME OF OUR OWN BUDGET CATEGORIES WE WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE OUR TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES BY 22000 AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REDUCE OUR POSTAGE BY A THOUSAND AND OR TRAVEL BY 5000. THAT SHOULD MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE NECESSARY TO MAKE THE CHANGE FOR THE ME INVESTIGATORS TO PRESERVE THOSE POSITIONS. >> DALE, WHAT DOES THIS REFLECT. >> WHAT DOES THIS REFLECT COST TO THE COUNTY. >> NET-ZERO IF YOU ALLOW IT CUTS IN THE TRAVEL THE OTHER EXPENSES THAT THEY HAVE THEM BRING IN THE NEW AND DELETE THE TWO PART-TIME POSITIONS. REPORTER: HAD SEVERAL POSITIONS DELETED FROM THE DEPARTMENT AND WE DELETED THE DEPUTY CHIEF AND HE IS APPOINTED OF THE MEDICALS EXAMINER AND WE DELETED THE AUTOPSY EXAMINER AND THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE COST SAVINGS. >> IT IS A NET-ZERO IS THIS A RAISE OR RECLASSIFICATION. >> WE ARE DELETING TWO POSITIONS IN CREATING TWO POSITIONS WE'RE DELETING TWO PART-TIME IN CREATING TWO FULL-TIME. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RECLASSIFICATION. >> IT'S MOVING PEOPLE AROUND. >> I WANT TO BE CONSISTENT I'M JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO VOTE. >> THE TWO PART-TIME POSITIONS IN THEIR ASKING THOSE TWO TO BE ELIMINATED IN THEIR ASKING TO CREATE TWO FULL-TIME POSITIONS UNDER THE SAME TYPE OF WORK. >> BUT NO PAY. >> IT WILL COST A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE PART-TIME IS A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER, IT'S ABOUT $28000 MORE TO FULL-TIME. >> IS IS A RECLASSIFICATION CUSTOMER. >> BASICALLY. >> IF IT IS NOT A RECLASSIFICATION I CAN VOTE IN IF IT ISN'T I CAN'T. >> TECHNICALLY IS MOVING PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME, YOU CAN CONSIDER IT A RECLASSIFICATION. >> GO AHEAD. >> IT IS STILL A NET DECREASE THEY DID BUDGET CUTS TO THE DEPARTMENT. >> EVERYBODY DID. >> I'M KEEPING MY TALLY WITH THIS ASSUMING THAT IT PASSES, WILL WE GET MORE SAVINGS. >> SAVINGS IS ALREADY BILTON. >> YOU'RE NOT CUTTING ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAN WHAT YOU ALREADY SUBMITTED IS THAT CORRECT. >> IS NO EXTRA COST, THEY ALREADY MADE THEIR CUTS, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE YOUR CHANGES TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES READ ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE AND ONE ABSTAIN. THANK YOU. >> MS. HERNANDEZ YOU ARE UP IN THE HOT SEAT. >> I ALSO HAVE A PACKET. FOR EARLY CLARIFICATION WE ARE REQUESTING TO DELETE POSITIONS AND RECLASSIFY. FOR COMMISSIONER CHESNEY I RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION, WE SEEK TO REDUCE BY POSITIONS IN OUR OFFICE AND RECLASSIFY ALL REMAINING ATTORNEYS IN THE OFFICE INCLUDING SUPERVISORS AND WHAT YOU SEE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE ATTACHED PAGES WE CEMENTED OUR AMENDED PROPOSAL WHICH WE INCLUDED WAY BACK WHEN THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW WE SUBMITTED THIS ON AUGUST 18 AT 2023 AT [03:50:03] 10:15 A.M. AND ATTACHED TO THAT ARE THE REQUIRED WORKSHEETS WHICH AUTOMATICALLY ENTER THE SALARY SAVINGS VERSUS THE EMPLOYEE BENEFIT SAVINGS AND THE TOTAL ADDITIONAL COST AND BEHIND IT EACH OF THE CATEGORIES OF ATTORNEYS AND I WILL CLARIFY OUR OFFICES ONLY OFFICE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY THAT HAS FELONY PROSECUTOR MISDEMEANOR CHIEF, FELONY PROSECUTOR ATTORNEY ONE, ATTORNEY TO. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT ANY OF THE DEPARTMENT GETS TO PIGGYBACK BECAUSE THE LAW VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT YOU TAKE THE JOB TITLE AND THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND THE DUTIES AND THE CASELOAD AND IT SIMILARLY SITUATED AND IS VERY CLEAR IN THE LAW. >> THESE ATTORNEYS THAT YOU ARE CHANGING WON'T AFFECT THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> THEY ARE FELONY, THEY HAVE THE FELONY ATTORNEY. AUXILIARY COURT FELONY ATTORNEY IF YOU LOOK AT THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS WHICH ARE PUBLIC RECORD THERE IS CLEAR DISTINCTION IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION BETWEEN THE CIVIL ATTORNEY, THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, THE AUXILIARY AND THE PROSECUTOR. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CASELOAD I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE THEY COULD SEE AND APPEAR AND MAKE A CLAIM. FOR EXAMPLE THE NUMBERS THAT WE GOT THE BOARD OF JUDGES FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE RESPECTFULLY NOR OFFICE TALKING ABOUT 1500 CASES THIS PAST MONTH, YOUR PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE TOOK IN 40. >> WE ARE JUST GETTING STARTED, COME ON. >> IT DOESN'T MATTER THEY HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE A YEAR AND THEY'RE ONLY GOING OUT TO TAKE BY VIRTUE THE GRANT 15% OF THE CASES. WE TAKE 100%, THE MATH IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE LIKE THAT. >> IT DOESN'T MATTER MY QUESTION BUT I WAS TOLD ON THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS AND I SHARED THIS, I SHARED MY THOUGHT WITH MS. HERNANDEZ, THIS IS NO SURPRISE PART OF THE REASON I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS IS THIS DOES AFFECT THE OTHER ATTORNEYS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD ME, IF THAT IS NOT TRUE LET ME KNOW BACK IF IT DOESN'T THAT'S GREAT. >> THIS IS AN ISSUE BEFORE THAT WE BROUGHT UP WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WE HAD TO DO AN ADJUSTMENT YEAR OR SO AGO AND CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE ATTORNEY ARE UNDER A PC NUMBER POSITION CONTROL NUMBER THIS IS THE SAME IN THE PERSONNEL FILE RULES AND SAID THERE COULD BE A SEPARATION AS THE DA IS TALKING ABOUT BUT THIS IS BROUGHT UP A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE HAD TO DO A BIG ADJUSTMENT FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> YES WE DID AND WE ARE HAPPY FOR YOU TO ASSIST THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WE WILL MAKE A REQUEST SHORTLY THEREAFTER. >> THIS IS A HUGE IMPACT. I AM SORRY THIS IS HOW WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT MS. HERNANDEZ, YOU KNOW THAT, YOU HAVE BEEN HERE, YOU HAVE SEEN THAT WE'VE HAD TO MAKE THE HUGE ADJUSTMENT, THE PUBLIC OFFENDERS ARE GOING TO COMMIT AND WHATEVER THERE CASELOAD IS, BUT THERE ATTORNEY AT A CERTAIN LEVEL WE WILL HAVE TO ADJUST FOR THEM TO SO IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE IS NO WAY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO ESCAPE AT THE 11TH HOUR IN COMMON, YOU PUT FORTH BEFORE, I DON'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT BUT THE 11TH HOUR FOR US I DON'T SEE HOW WE ESCAPE THAT. >> IT REDUCES YOUR BUDGET AND IS GOING TO THROW THEIRS OUT. >> WHAT I HEARD DALE SAY WHILE WE ARE ALL UNDER THE SAME POSITION CONTROL NUMBER IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. >> BUT IT IS. >> WE ARE AT THE END OF THE BUDGET CYCLE, I AM ASKING FOR THIS IF YOU'RE GOING TO DENY IT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, DO YOU HAVE A LEGAL WRITTEN OPINION THAT SAYS THAT? >> IT IS POLICY THAT'S WHAT WE OPERATE UNDER A HAFTED LEGAL WRITTEN OPINION WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE POLICIES THAT THIS COUNTY OPERATES UNDER. WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE THIS FOR YEARS. >> IT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. >> ABSOLUTELY DOES. >> THAT'S ALL RELATING TO THE BUDGET PROCESS IT DOES NECESSARILY MAKE IT RIGHT MAYBE THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN FIXED A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE IT IS REALLY HARD FOR ME TO GO AND EXPLAIN TO A BUNCH OF ATTORNEYS WHY THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF CASES ON THEIR CASELOAD AND THEY MAKE THE SAME PAY AS SOMEBODY THAT MAKES 40. >> IF YOU WERE FULL WOULD YOU BLESS CASELOAD. >> NOW. >> YOU CASELOAD IS A CASELOAD. >> WE HAVE EIGHT OPENINGS BUT WERE ASKING TO REDUCE SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENCE OF THREE, WE ARE GIVING UP FIVE SO THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE EIGHT. >> CAN YOU SPREAD THE WEALTH AMONG ALL THE ATTORNEY. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. >> AND FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND. >> IN ORDER TO SPREAD THE WEALTH I HAVE TO RECLASSIFY CANNOT JUST TURN AROUND AND SAIL GIVE EACH ATTORNEY MONEY, HAS TO FIT INTO A CLASSIFICATION. >> WITHOUT ASKING FOR MORE [03:55:03] MONEY. >> I'M NOT ASKING FOR MORE MONEY AND GIVING YOU A BIG CAT YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE A CUT FROM US. >> SHE IS DOING A REDUCTION, THE PROBLEM IS HER CLASSIFICATION IS GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO GO UP AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. >> SPREAD THE WEALTH TO THE OTHER ATTORNEYS. >> YOU ARE SAYING THEM, EVERYBODY. >> SPREAD THEM TO ALL OF THE DEPARTED? >> THAT WOULD WORK. I'M TALKING ABOUT HER ATTORNEYS. IF YOU GETTING RID OF FIVE AND SPLITTING WITH ALL THE ATTORNEYS THAT YOU HAVE NINE OR 10 I DON'T HOW MANY YOU HAVE, WOULDN'T THAT BE OKAY? >> I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. I THINK I LOST YOU ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME RESPECTFULLY COMMISSIONER. >> THE NUMBERS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS ADDITIONAL 263,000 FOR NEW PERSONNEL I'M JUST SAYING THE ONES THAT WERE GOING TO GET RID OF CAN YOU SPLIT IT WITH US ATTORNEY HERE? IT STAYS WITHIN THE CIRCLE. >> THIS IS A RECLASSIFICATION ON THE FIRST TWO PAGES. >> WHAT ARE THE POSITIONS. >> WE ARE ELIMINATING AN APPELLATE DIVISION ATTORNEY AND ELIMINATING TWO FELONY TWO, FELONY ONE AND A MISDEMEANOR ONE SO BETWEEN SALARY AND BENEFITS THAT IS A SAVING OF 46163705 IF YOU GO WITH THE BUDGET WORKSHEET THE ONE THAT WE FILL OUT, MAYBE IT IS OFF BUT I TEND TO GO BY THAT BECAUSE IT IS CORRECT. WHEN YOU TAKE THE NEXT PAGES THE NEXT THREE PAGES THOSE ARE YOUR ADDITIONS AND WHEN YOU DO THE FINAL MATH YOU STILL END UP OFFERING A SAVINGS AFTER YOU INCLUDE THE OFFICE EXPENSES, THE SPECIAL PERSONNEL SERVICE, TRAVEL EXPENSES, A SAVINGS OF $181,000. >> HOW MUCH OF THE REASONS FOR EACH OF THEM. >> THAT WOULD BE THE ADDITION. >> 17000 IF I REMEMBER RIGHT DEPENDING ON. >> BETWEEN EIGHT, I DON'T KNOW THE HIGHEST 8 - 12, 13 IS GOOD TO BE AN ARRAY OF THEIR. >> I HEAR YOU AND I SOMEWHAT AGREE ON THE CASELOAD FOR ATTORNEYS MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE US BEFORE ABOUT PUBLIC DEFENDERS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN AROUND THAT LONG BUT I THINK ARE LIMITED ON HOW MANY CASES THEY ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE AND ISN'T THERE A SET NUMBER THEY CAN TAKE WHICH IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU JUST LISTED IF THAT IS IN FACT COURT NUMBERS. I CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS OR ANYTHING. IT IS NOT APPLES TO APPLES TO ME IF YOU ARE DOING ONE CASE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS AND IF YOU DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, HOW MANY CASES DO YOUR ATTORNEYS GET. >> IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COMPARISON IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO DO FOR INSTANCE THE ATTORNEY AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OFFICE OFTEN COME AND REQUIRED TO COME WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE REGARDING THAT THEY BID IN COURTROOMS AND NOW THEY HAVE TO LEARN ADDITIONAL CODES IT IS NOT JUST THE PENAL CODE IT IS FEDERAL LAW, STATE LAW. IT IS NOT A COMPARISON TO SAY MY SET OF ATTORNEYS DOES THIS MORE THAN ANY OTHER BECAUSE MY SET OF ATTORNEYS DOES MORE C.P.S. CASES SO IT'S NOT A LOGICAL ARGUMENT TO SAY WE DO THIS THEREFORE WE ARE MORE DESERVING. >> THAN THE PUBLIC OFFENDERS APPORTION THAT IS SET UP SIMILAR IN A FEW LIMITED ON HOW MANY CASES THERE ONLY ALLOWED WE DON'T GET A CHOICE WHEN WE GIVE YOU THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE TO FIX IT NO MATTER HOW MANY CASES YOU HAVE GOING OR YOU HAVE TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL. >> I DON'T KNOW THE SOLUTION TO THIS. >> I THINK WERE CUTTING OUTSIDE BUDGET COUNSEL. >> WHAT IS ON THE DISCUSSION. >> IT IS IN THE BUDGET ISN'T IT? >> I'M SORRY, IT MAY HAVE BEEN DONE WRONG FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS BUT THAT IS HOW IT'S BEEN DONE [04:00:01] AND CERTAINLY IF IT'S BEEN THAT AN EQUITABLE WITH THE CASELOADS THAT SHOULD'VE AN ARGUMENT MADE BEFORE TODAY BECAUSE THEN WE CANNOT CHANGE THE WHOLE POLICY TODAY, WE CAN BUT WE HAVE TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH IT WILL COST BECAUSE I DON'T HOW WE DO THE ANALYSIS TODAY AND OTHERWISE IF WE DO THIS THEN I THINK WE HAVE NO CHOICE TO KNOW THAT WE CAN HAVE TO DO WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WITH THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS AS IS OUR POLICY RIGHT NOW, CAN THAT CHANGE LATER. AS OF RIGHT NOW IF WE DO THIS FOR THEM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND AS WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT IS NOT RIGHT THEN WE CAN FIX IT. BUT AS OF TODAY WE HAVE TO DO THAT. >> I'M SORRY IF IT'S BEEN DONE WRONG FOR SOME TIME, WHEN DO WE FIX IT AND SHOULDN'T WE TAKE CONSIDERATION. >> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE BROUGHT THIS UP WITH THE CORN FIRST STUDY TOLD THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IT WAS NOT RIGHT AND THE JOB DESCRIPTION NEEDED TO BE REVIEWED. >> WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THEM AND GET THEM REVIEWED. >> I CAME TO YOU AND ASKED YOU TO. >> MS. HERNANDEZ WE HAVE A NATURE DEPARTMENT THAT DOES THAT WE DON'T DO THE REVIEWS. >> I HAVE SAID THIS TO JULIE GUERRA AND I SAID THIS TO TIMOTHY THE FIRST TIME I MET WITH HIM, WE HAD A PROBLEM TRYING TO GET RAISES BECAUSE OF JOB DESCRIPTIONS, I SAT IN HIS OFFICE AND THAT WAS LIKE THE FIRST THING THAT I TOLD HIM AND LIKE I SAID THIS IS THE CORN VERY STUDY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SEEMED LIKE THIS IS T THE LAST DITCH EFFORT THIS FOR YEARS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGED AND IS NOT JUST OUR OFFICE IS THE ENTIRE COUNTY OF EMPLOYEES THAT IS UNDERPAID I AM HAPPY FOR HR AND I'M HAPPY FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE THAT THEIR PROPOSALS WENT THROUGH, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND RAISING THE SALARIES OF ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES OF NUECES COUNTY NOT JUST MINE. >> WE HAVE DONE THAT FOR YEARS I APPRECIATE YOU FOR TAKING UP THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND REMIND US FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND DO THE THINGS WE'VE DONE AND WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO INCREASE THOSE THINGS, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THEM SINCE YOU'RE TAKING ON THE MANTLE OF ALL THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES, I'LL TAKE THAT ON AS WELL. AT THE END OF THE DAY IN MY OPINION YOU COULD ABANDON HIS OFFICE OR COME TO THIS COURT AND SAID PUSH THE ISSUE, WE ALWAYS RESPOND WE DON'T ALWAYS RESPOND AND SAY CAN YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TO DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN DONE WRONG ALL THESE YEARS I'M SAYING IF IT'S BEEN DONE WRONG ALL THESE YEARS I DON'T KNOW HOW WE FIX IT TODAY, YOU CANNOT JUST FIX IT TODAY WITHOUT CHANGING THE POLICY, IF THAT HAS BEEN THE POLICY THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THAT IS THE PUT IT ON EVERYBODY VOTE OF THE POLICY. IF YOU CAN'T CHANGE IN POLICY WITHOUT HAVING SOME PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND BRING IT ONTO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. AND LET'S PUT IT ON THE THIS AGENDA AND HOW THE COUNTIES DO IT WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND WE SEE, HOW DO THEY DO THIS WITH OTHER COUNTIES HAVE TO DO IT AND WE MAKE THIS COMPARISONS. I'M ASKING YOU NOW TO DO IT. I'M ASKING YOU TO GO AHEAD AND IF IT'S ACCURATE AFFECT THIS BUDGET THAT IT CAN AFFECT THE NEXT BUDGET, I HAVE BEEN RESPECTFUL AND I DON'T NEED YOU TO MAKE ME SOUND LIKE A MODERN SAINT AND PICKING UP THE MANTLE AND TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER EMPLOYEES. >> YOU'RE NOT MAKING ME FEEL LIKE A MATTER EITHER. EVERYTHING A TIME I COME IN I AM RESPECTFUL OF THE COURT I AM RESPECTFUL OF YOUR VOTE AND I'VE ALWAYS COME IN TO CHAMPION THE OTHER EMPLOYEES I ALWAYS MEANT TO THE DISTRICT CLERK AND I CAME IN WITH OFFICERS WERE PURSUING THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AND I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF YOU HAVE NOT, CLEARLY THEY HAVE THE BENEFITS THEY HAVE BEEN VOTED FOR THERE IS NO REASON COMMISSIONER TO TELL ME I AM PICKING UP A MANTLE BECAUSE I SUPPORT ALL THE OTHER EMPLOYEES BECAUSE WERE ALL IN IT TOGETHER, THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE NOT IN IT WITH US. I THINK WERE ALL IN IT SO AS THE JUDGE SAID COLLECTIVELY WE CAME UP WITH TWO PLUS MILLION CUTS. >> I PUT ON THE AGENDA TO START THE PROCESS AND HOW WE DO COMPARISONS AND MR. SOLEIL HE CITY TO THE ROOM, I SEE COMPARISON OF COUNTIES OR SIZE IN BETWEEN COUNTY ATTORNEYS DISTRICT ATTORNEYS THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND IF THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS AND LET'S DO IT, I'M SICK OF IT TO AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY NO TO A GREAT IDEA BUT IF I KNOW IF I SAY YES TO THIS GREAT IDEA. JENNY IS COMING NEXT AND SO. >> I THINK OUTSIDE EMERGENCY [04:05:02] SITUATIONS A BUDGET CANNOT BE AMENDED. >> AND WE PUT THAT ON CAN WE GET SOMETHING STARTED ON THAT. >> I THINK IT WILL TAKE TIME TO DO THAT BUT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE IT IS NECESSARY AND I WILL WORK WITH YOU ALL ON THAT AS WELL. >> I'M SORRY I'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH MS. HERNANDEZ, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A POLICY AMENDMENT, COMMITTEE IN PLACE WORKING ON ACCOUNTING POLICIES IN A NEW EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK AND POLICIES AS OF NOVEMBER 1 THIS IS GREAT TIMING FOR THAT TO OCCUR AND TO REVIEW THOSE POLICIES I'LL BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN AND BEGIN THAT STUDY THAT YOU REQUESTED. >> WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THIS DEPARTMENT HAS PROBLEMS KEEPING EMPLOYEES AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO CROSS THE OCEAN BECAUSE THEY GET BETTER PAY THERE WERE OTHER PLACES. COMMISSIONER THANK YOU I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 17TH AND WERE STILL GOING TO BRING THE SAME PROPOSAL TO US. >> I WOULD ASK TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >> I WOULD THINK ALL THREE OFFICES WILL BE A PART OF IT. ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND I ASKED THIS QUESTION SO WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT. WE HAVE AMENDED BUDGETS BEFORE WITH SALARY SAVINGS LATER. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE YOU LEAVE IF WE DON'T ELIMINATE THE FIVE POSITIONS THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BUDGET POTENTIALLY WE COULD DO THIS LATER ONCE WE GET THIS FIGURED OUT AND IF WE FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE OTHER FOLKS BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BUDGET MONEY OR IS THAT RIGHT. >> WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE BUDGET AS ADOPTED WITHOUT THE CHANGES IN THE AREA THEY COME IN AT A LATER TIME WE CAN DEFINITELY DO A REDUCTION OF REDUCTION IS NO PROBLEM IN ANY INCREASES WILL BE OUT OF CONTINGENCY. >> THE PROBLEM I HAD IN THE PAST I AM TOLD WE CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET OUTSIDE EMERGENCY, I TRIED TO COME AND ASK FOR CERTAIN THINGS. >> IF WE LEAVE IT IN YOUR BUDGET THEN YOU CAN TRANSFER. >> I AM ASSUMING RIGHTFULLY OR WRONGFULLY IF YOU'RE NOT CAN APPROVE WHAT I'M PROPOSING THEN THERE WILL NOT BE A REDUCTION IN FORCE IN THE OFFICE, THOUGH SALARIES REMAIN IN MY SALARIES WILL BE AVAILABLE AND ALSO WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY FREEZE AND SHALL PASS A RESOLUTION. THAT MEANS A SPONSOR BE AVAILABLE. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED, I THINK NOW IS THE TIME FOR ANYBODY FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SAY NO THERE WILL BE OPPOSITION SHOULD BECOME A PLEADER ON AND DO THAT. >> AS LONG AS THOSE FUNDS ARE STILL THERE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A STUDY BETWEEN OTHER COUNTIES IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THE OTHER COUNTIES, WHAT I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR IS TRANSPARENT, IF THESE COUNTIES ARE DOING AWAY DIFFERENT LEAGUE THAN WE ARE WITH COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND DISTRICT ATTORNEYS THAT IS COMPELLING. SORRY JENNY, THAT IS COMPELLING TO ME, SORRY JANICE, IF THEY ARE NOT THAT IS COMPELLING TO ME TO SORRY MS. HERNANDEZ. I NEED TO SEE THE RESULTS OF WHAT THIS RENDERS KEEPING THE DOLLARS IN THE POT FOR THE MOMENT, THAT IS JUST ME SO THAT IT IS POSSIBLE, I HAVE TO HAVE SOME DATA NOT JUST THE CORN. BUT I HAVE TO KNOW HOW THESE OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING IT THAT'S A FAIR ASSESSMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES AND WHAT THEY DO IT IF THEY HAVE A WAY TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND THERE IS SOME LAW. >> THEM JOB DESCRIPTIONS OF HOW TO PAY AND I CAN ONLY TELL YOU IT IS DIFFERENT FOR ALL THE QUADRANTS. WE WILL GET THE DATA AND WORK WITH THE HR DIRECTOR. >> DID WE PASS A POLICY AFTER THE BUDGET. >> YOU CANNOT INCREASE YOUR BUDGET BUT IF YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR BUDGET. >> SHE IS NOT DELETING HER POSITION, SHE WILL HAVE SAVINGS IN HER DEPARTMENT. >> IF IT TURNS OUT I'M WRONG I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE CHAMPIONING THE OTHER DEPARTMENT FOR YOU ALL TO DO THE SAME FOR THEM SO AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE SALARY SAVINGS THAT WILL TELL YOU. >> THAT GIVES THEM A HEADS UP. >> HOWEVER, THE COUNTY'S OBLIGATION TO TREAT EMPLOYEES IS NOT DEPENDENT ON SALARY SAVINGS, IT IS AN OBLIGATION THAT THE COUNTY HAS OUTSIDE OF SALARY [04:10:02] SAVINGS. >> THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO DO RESEARCH. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN WE TABLE THIS. >> WE DON'T HAVE A VOTE, WE KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING. >> WE WOULD NEED TO ADD THE FIVE POSITIONS BACK. THEY WERE REMOVED FROM THE PROPOSE. >> WE HAD TO VOTE ON IT. >> I LOOKED LAST NIGHT THEY WERE NOT. >> THERE IS NO ACTION NECESSARY. ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WANT TO COME UP? >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK TO BE EXCUSED. OKAY WE WILL BRING UP ITEM NUMBER ONE ON YOUR AMENDMENTS FOR INCLUSION AS WELL, THE LEGAL FEES FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, 181,000. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO T THAT, THAT IS NOT MUCH IF ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I SENT A CHANGE FROM OUR OFFICE THAT IS ACCOUNT NUMBER FOUR DIGIT NUMBER WHICH SOME MONEY IS USED FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OUTSIDE OF LEGAL FEES HOWEVER, THE MAJORITY OF THAT ACCOUNT. >> IT IS ALL ATTORNEY FEES IN 5301 IT IS ALL ATTORNEY FEES. >> WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. >> IF WE VOTE TO DO THESE IT INCREASES THE BUDGET, THESE ARE NOT ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THIS IS UP FOR DISCUSSION. >> 5301 WHICH IS ATTORNEY FEES ONLY. >> WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL THE REQUEST IS FOR MORE. >> $181,650 FOR. >> THAT INCLUDES ATTORNEYS THAT DO THINGS. >> I BELIEVE CAN YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THIS IS A 12855301 ATTORNEY FEES, THAT INCLUDES MULTIPLE, THAT INCLUDES OTHER ATTORNEY FEES AS WELL I HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOST RECENT BREAKDOWN OF THIS BUT I KNOW IT INCLUDES OTHER ATTORNEYS THAT OUR OFFICE DOES NOT MANNER ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE PERHAPS A MAJORITY OF THEM DO GO TO PART OF THE OFFICE. REGARDING THESE MANY OF THE OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE FEES ARE RELATED TO JOBS OR CASES THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS CANNOT TAKE DUE TO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, WHAT HAPPENS WHATEVER WE REPRESENT FOR EXAMPLE, THE JAIL THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARTIES AND WE CANNOT REPRESENT ALL OF THE PARTIES, WE DO ALWAYS TAKE THOSE CASES OURSELVES, THE ONES THAT WE CAN TAKE WITH MULTIPLE PARTIES, WE TAKE ONE OF THE PARTIES BUT THERE IS ADDITIONAL PARTIES AND THOSE HAVE TO BE ASSIGNED TO OTHER PARTIES THAT MAKES UP A LOT OF THE CASES, THERE ARE OTHER MATTERS RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVE THERE WAS MATTERS RELATED TO THE CHEWERS AND ABATEMENTS AND OTHER ISSUES THAT REQUIRED EXPERTISE THAT OUR OFFICE DIDN'T HAVE. >> THIS IS A SPECIFIC NUMBER, I'M WONDERING WHY THE INCREASE IS THIS A DEBT WE NEED TO PAY YOUR ASKING FOR INCREASE IN THAT ACCOUNT. >> THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE HAS WELL EXCEEDED MANY YEARS AND WE WANT TO NOT HAVE A DEFICIT EVERY YEAR SO WE THOUGHT OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS WERE NECESSARY BUT THAT'S UP TO THE COURT DEPENDED ON HOW MANY ATTORNEYS WE HIRE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. >> WHO PROPOSES. >> SOME OTHERS PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE OF OUR DEFICIT THIS YEAR I THINK TERESA ORIGINALLY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. >> WE DID NOT AND WE DON'T CONTROL WHO ALL USES FUNDS OUT OF THE ACCOUNT OR FOR WHAT PURPOSES. I CIVILLY WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS NOT ASKING FOR THIS ADDITIONAL MONEY. I DON'T CONTROL EVERYTHING ABOUT ACCOUNT. IF IT NEEDS TO HAVE MORE MONEY THAT IS GREAT I TAKE ISSUE WITH IT SAYING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY CAME ASKING FOR THIS. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLEAR UP, IF YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR. >> I GUESS WE COULD ALWAYS GO TO OTHER FUNDS IF THIS AMOUNT IS NEEDED IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS TODAY. >> I DON'T SEE ANY MOTIONS FOR [04:15:03] THIS. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE TRANSPORTATION OF INMATES WITH AN NOOSES COUNTY JAIL IS THE SHERIFF REQUESTING THIS OR IS IT. >> LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THE VACANCIES THAT HAD TO HIRE A FIRM THAT CHARGES A SIGNIFICANT ABOUT OF FUNDS IN THIS LAST YEAR THEY WERE $400,000 IN EXCESS OF WHAT THEY NEEDED SOME WAS PAID BY ARPA FUNDS. WORKING WITH CHIEF COOK AND THE SHERIFF THEY'RE STARTING TO GET MORE STAFF IN AND THEY AGREED THAT ANY LOCAL TRANSPORTATION BE DONE BY THEIR OFFICE AND ANYTHING NOT WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE WILL BE DONE BY THEIR OFFICE, IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T NEED THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING BUT IT COULD BE A CASE IF WE HAVE MORE VACANCIES. >> WE CAN COME BACK AND ASK FOR IF NEEDED. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ WILL THIS GET IT FROM YOU LATER. >> ANYBODY WANT TO BRING ANYONE OF THESE UP? >> NUMBER FOUR, THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN AD. >> YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO REDUCE DOCTOR GONZALEZ. >> THE TRAVEL, THAT IS CORRECT. >> IT IS AN INCREASE IT AS PART OF THE BUDGET. >> IS LIKE THE OTHERS THAT CAME BEFORE THE HAD THE REDUCTION IN THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A PERSONNEL INCREASE AND IT WOULD BE OFFSET BY THE OTHER REDUCTION WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT. MY QUESTION I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE 900 CAME FROM BUT YOU EXPRESSED IT WAS GOING TO BE 1000 WITH THE BENEFITS IT BECAME $1078 AND I'M DOING THIS BY MEMORY SO THAT COULD BE OFF BUT IT WASN'T QUITE 1100. ARE WE CHANGING THE AMOUNT NOW? MCQUEEN NEVER CHANGED IT. >> THIS IS ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED. >> IT IS NOT INCLUDED, THERE WERE OTHER REDUCTIONS. >> THE 2000 THAT YOU GOT FOR THE TRAVEL AND YOU SPLITTING IT BETWEEN THE TWO AND GIVING A THOUSAND, THERE IS 2000 IN THE TRAVEL BUT HE ONLY GOT A THOUSAND. >> THERE WAS MONEY IN TRAVEL AND MONEY AND CAR ALLOWANCE, HE IS LEAVING DOCTOR GONZALEZ'S CAR ALLOWANCE THE SAME. >> HE IS TAKING IT FROM THE BUDGET, THE TWO PEOPLE THAT WENT OVER THERE. >> THEY HAVE A TRAVEL BUDGET. >> THE TRAVEL BUDGET WAS 6000. >> WHERE IS THE 900 COMING FROM. >> THE OUTREACH CLINIC TO GET REIMBURSED FROM THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. WHERE IN THE BUDGET I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER 900 FROM THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT, IT'S 900 THAT WERE GETTING. >> THE AGREEMENT WAS REDUCED TRAVEL BY A THOUSAND AND MOVE THE TRAVEL UP. >> WHOSE TRAVEL DOCTOR GONZALEZ. >> BY DOCTOR GONZALEZ WAS STILL THE HOSPITAL. WHEN WE TRANSFER EVERYTHING IS DAYS THE SAME WAY INSTEAD OF REDUCING HIS SALARY IN THE CAR LOAN THERE WAS 4000 IN THE TRAVEL AND EACH RELEASE I GET RID OF 2000 IN TRAVEL AND USE 1000 AS A CAR ALLOWANCE. >> IS THAT WHAT YOU DID. >> WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THEY HAD CUTS BECAUSE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS PAYING LESS MONEY FOR 3094 WHICH IS NOW RENAMED TO THE OUTREACH MEDICAL CLINIC, THEY ARE GOING TO PAY LESS MONEY IN THE GETTING 40000 FOR THE MOBILE CLINIC AND THEY REDUCE THE AMOUNT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE 3094 SO WE HAD TO REDUCE THE BUDGET THERE, THIS IS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE AMOUNT THAT WILL BE REIMBURSED. >> THE COMMISSIONER SAID WE HAVE A 2500 BUT IS BETWEEN 1,501,000 AND WE REDUCE THE TRAVEL TO [04:20:02] $1000 IT IS IN THE BUDGET. >> IT IS A PERSONNEL MATTER SO HAS TO GO ON SEPARATELY. >> WHY DOES THE PERSON NEED CAR LOANS. >> BECAUSE THEY TRAVEL. >> UNMASKING. >> THIS IS $900 A YEAR. >> IT WILL BE 1000 PLUS BENEFITS GOES TO $1078 AND AGAIN, I'M DOING IT BASED ON MEMORY I'M PRETTY SURE. >> IT IS THE SHIFTING OF FUNDS. >> WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS. >> THIS IS A PERSONNEL MATTER AND YOU WILL CONTROL PERSONNEL MATTERS. >> IT IS PART OF THE BUDGET IS NOT AN INCREASE OR ANYTHING SO WERE NOT VOTING TO INCREASE. >> THIS SHOULD BE WERE DOCTOR GONZALEZ WOULD COME FORWARD AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD OF GORDON $1000. >> THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE ACCEPTED BECAUSE IS NOT INCREASE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE TO DO A MOTION. >> NO ACTION NEEDED. >> THE ITEMS I PASSED TO IT. >> (INAUDIBLE). >> THIS IS ACTUALLY A DECREASE. OUR AUDITORS SEAL OF APPROVAL WITH HIS E-MAIL ON THE BACK. >> THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE THIS IS A CUT DOWN IN THE CHANGES MADE. >> THAT IS NICE OF YOU. >> IT IS QUICK AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> 'S ARE GOING TO BE A TRANSFER FROM THE SPECIAL REVENUE TO COVER THE EXPENSE. >> SO WE HAVE A SAVINGS OF 17000. >> IT IS MY SPECIAL REVENUE FROM FUND 13 WHICH WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO. >> WORKING TO DO TRANSFER FUND 13 FROM THE GENERAL FUND. >> THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. >> IT'S GOOD TO BE CONSISTENT THIS IS FOREVER AND EVER AMEN. >> WERE NOT TO COMPLAIN NEXT YEAR WILL BE TRANSFER FOR THIS EVERYBODY IS GOOD WITH THIS. >> WHY WOULD I COMPLAIN IT'S MY IDEA. >> SHE SAYING THIS IS FOREVER AND FOREVERAMEN. >> HOW MUCH GOES INTO THE FUND EVERY YEAR. >> LESS THAN 300,000. >> ALL THE COLLECTION HAS BEEN DONE IN THE FILINGS HAVE BEEN DOWN BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING BOOM ENDED. >> IT REALLY AFFECTED. >> OF A COUPLE OF ITEMS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, I WILL SECOND. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE COME ANY OPPOSE OR ABSTAIN. >> ABSTAIN. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> I MIGHT AS WELL. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ YOU HAD ONE. >> I HAD ONE THE LAW LIBRARY. I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE I KNOW WE HAD TWO PEOPLE ASSIGNED IT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PEOPLE. >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH IDA AND SHE IS CONSIDERING MOVING WHATEVER STUFF OUT OF THE LAW LIBRARY BACK TO THE LIBRARY OF COURSE THAT WILL TAKE ACTION OF THE COURT TO DO THIS AS WELL AS REDUCING HER WESTLAW OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR THAT, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT SHE BRINGS IT EVERY YEAR ABOUT 130 OR 140 WITH ONE EMPLOYEE WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES THE LAW LIBRARY CAN FUNCTION WITH ONE, DID SHE TURN THAT IN AS PART OF HER CUTS FOR THIS IS THE LEOPARD DISCUSSION. >> I DON'T SHE SUBMITTED YET. >> THIS IS THE BUDGET TIME,. >> THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE TO THE GENERAL FUND TO TRANSFER THE POSITION. >> YES ON AN INCREASE. >> LISA, WHAT DID YOU SAY. [04:25:05] >> IF YOU MOVE THE POSITION FROM THE LAW LIBRARY AND THE GENERAL FUND IT WOULD BE AN INCREASE TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. >> THAT'S WHERE WE GOT IT FROM TO BEGIN WITH. WE SHOULD PUT IT BACK WHERE WE GOT IT. >> IS WANTING TO TAKE ONE POSITION AWAY FROM THE LAW LIBRARY. >> IT'S GOOD TO BE HIGHER COST FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND THEY SAY ILLUMINATE THE POSITION, ELIMINATE THE POSITION, HOW IS THAT AN INCREASE TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> I WOULD'VE SAID MOVE IT OVER, NOT A REDUCTION IN FORCE. >> HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING NOT MOVING ANYWHERE AND GETTING ONE PERSON IN THEIR. >> WHAT DALE SAID WAS TRANSFERRED. >> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DALE SAID IT'S WHAT JOE SAID, NO OFFENSE DALE HE DOES NOT GET TO VOTE. >> OR MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ELIMINATE ONE FROM THE LAW LIBRARY, LEAVE THEM A PERSON THERE TO MAINTAIN OR MANAGE THE LIBRARY BUT ALSO THE ONE PERSON BE ELIMINATED. FIGURE RIGIDLY THAT WAS PLACED FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS TO BEGIN WITH. SO WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE ONE PERSON. >> SECOND. >> 'S OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. DID WE HAVE TO DO IT. >> ELIMINATE THE POSITION THEN IT GOES AWAY. NO INCREASE TO THE GENERAL FUND. THAT IS A REDUCTION IN FORCE. >> I CANNOT HEAR DALE THE LAW LIBRARY HAS BEEN DECREASED AND IT'S A GOOD TIME BECAUSE THE DATA DEFICIT. WE ELIMINATED ONE POSITION. >> WE ARE NOT FUNDED. >> WERE NOT HAVING A DEFICIT IN THEIR. >> NOW WE ARE TRANSFERRING $35000 TO THE GENERAL FUND IF WE ELIMINATE ONE POSITION WE CAN REDUCE THE TRANSFER TO 0. WE COULD SAY 35000. >> THAT IS $35000 IN SAVINGS. GO AHEAD. >> HOW ARE WE DOING NOW? >> RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT NEGATIVE 64000. >> ONE MORE, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION. ON RISK MANAGEMENT HOW MANY DO WE HAVE NO. >> TO. >> IS A SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS YOU? IF WE PUT RISK MANAGEMENT, COMBINING. >> GREAT IDEA, WERE USING SPACE, I THINK WORKING UNDER D IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE WORKMEN'S COMP. >> COMBINE THE TWO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT UNDER D IN THE RISK MANAGEMENT, THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP WE HAVE DEPLETED ALL THE PEOPLE IN THERE SO SHE COULD USE SOME HELP. >> WE WOULD MOVE TO ELIMINATE, WE WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE DEPARTMENT, REASSIGNED EMPLOYEES UNDER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IN DIFFERENT ROLES LIMITING THE DEPARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND REASSIGNING TO THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. >> IS UNLIKE A DUAL ROLE. >> WE WILL LET YOU WILL WORK IT OUT. >> YOU SAY ILLUMINATE THE DEPARTMENT. >> IS THAT ALL ONE MOTION TO ELIMINATE AND REASSIGN UNDER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. >> THE DEPARTMENT IN QUESTION IS LIMIT 25. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO COMBINE THOSE TWO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> TO A LIMITED THE DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND REASSIGN UNDER THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND YOU CAN ALL FIGURE OUT THE TITLES AND ROLES. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [04:30:07] >> ANY OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THAT IS A SMALL RAVINGS BUT NOT MUCH. GO AHEAD, ANYTHING ELSE, YOU ARE ON A ROLL. >> TO BE REACHED THE NEGATIVE? >> WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT. GIVE ME SOME ITEMS FOR THE BUDGET WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT >> DID WE BE REACHED THE NEGATIVE? >> WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT. GIVE ME SOME ITEMS FOR THE BUDGET WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IN THE PERMIT 180 WE MISSED AN ENTRY FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT SCOTT CROSS WILL NEED FOR HIS DEPARTMENT, YET SIGNIFICANT CUTS. WERE ASKING TO AMEND BY ADDITIONAL 30000. >> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP I WAS SUPPOSED TO BRING THAT UP BUT I FORGOT, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT, AS LONG AS WE KNOW IT'S GOOD TO BE ADDED TO THE MEMO THAT WILL BE THE FINAL CASE. >> IT HELPS THEM DO THE PERMIT THE LADY THAT HE HAS IS DOING A GOOD JOB WE WANT TO KEEP DOING THAT HE MADE VERY SIGNIFICANT CUTS IN HIS BUDGET. >> THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LEFT IN. >> IT WAS JUST AN ACCIDENT THAT WE LEFT OUT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. >> THANK YOU ALL. >> A QUESTION. >> MY ROUGH COUNT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE FROM THE 2.9 THAT WE NEED TO GET 4.75 THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CUTS, I KINDA WANTED TO GO TOWARDS VACANCIES SO WE HAVE 201 VACANCIES IN NUECES COUNTY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS DOWN BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE OR NOT BUT THAT IS A PLACE I WOULD LIKE TO START LOOKING AT BECAUSE WERE ALL TRYING TO NOT TAKE PEOPLE BUT I GET IT THAT AFFECTS THE DEPARTMENT BUT AT THE SAME TIME HOPEFULLY -- WE NEED TO CUT ANOTHER 4.75 BILLION. >> GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES I CAN GIVE YOU A TRUE COUNT TOTAL. >> IDA IS ONLINE AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COURT. >> JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS I'M SORRY I WALKED AWAY FROM MY DESK AS SOON AS I GOT OFF I HEARD ABOUT THE LAW LIBRARY IF YOU COULD GIVE ME SOME HEADS UP AND LET ME KNOW WHAT I MISSED I KNOW REMOVING ONE OF MY POSITIONS I KNOW WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND I TOOK CARE OF MY BUDGET AND RIGHT NOW I KNOW WHEN I SPOKE TO DALE THE LAST TIME I THINK COMMISSIONER HAD MENTIONED ABOUT MOVING ONE OF MY LIBRARIANS FROM THE LAW LIBRARY, WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WHAT DALE TOLD ME THOSE POSITIONS WE GET FROM THE MONEY FROM THE REVENUE AND WE CAN CO-MINGLE ANY OF THAT MONEY TO BUY DEPARTMENT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY LIBRARY TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL LIBRARY REMOVE FROM HERE, I KNOW WE CANNOT DO THAT. I KNOW I CUT AS MUCH MONEY FROM THE LAW LIBRARY AS I CAN AND I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO CUT ANY OF MY LIBRARY FROM THE LAW LIBRARY. >> THAT HAS BEEN DONE. >> I'VE DONE AS MUCH CUT AS A CANDIDATE OVER RECEIVING FUNDING FROM THE REVENUES THAT WE COLLECT, THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION BUT I DON'T WANT TO DELETE MY POSITION FROM THE LAW LIBRARY. >> I'M SORRY I APPRECIATE THAT BUT THERE WAS A MOTION MADE WHEN YOU WALKED AWAY AND THERE IS A $35000 TRANSFER THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO PAY, 65 OR 35, 35000. >> THE LAST TWO YEARS FOR THAT AND THERE WAS A MOTION MADE TO DELETE THE POSITION, THE SECOND POSITION TO HAVE ONE PERSON AND THE LAW LIBRARY WHILE YOU WERE AWAY. >> OKAY. >> I'M SORRY I MISSED AND WALKED AWAY AT THE WRONG TIME. MAYBE YOU CAN RECONSIDER THE MOTION AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN AND DUE TO OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES IS BEYOND MY CONTROL BUT MY STAFF HAS DONE A LOT THE PAST FEW YEARS AND GOTTEN GRANTS AND THEY ARE RECEIVING A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BECOMING TO THE LIBRARY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM THERE IS OTHER DEPARTMENTS RECEIVING WAY MORE THAN MY DEPARTMENT I KNOW WERE ONLY RECEIVING 35000 AS OPPOSED TO [04:35:02] HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE DEPARTMENT HAS GOT IT CUT EXCEPT EARLIER, I DID SEE ONE SO I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE RECEIVING WAY MORE THAN MY DEPARTMENT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT SINCE WE DID THE NO NEW REVENUE WE DID NOT DO THE TAX INCREASE AND WE HAVE TO MAKE ADDITIONAL CUT TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY AND WE DID LEAVE ONE PERSON IN THEIR AND TOTALLY SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU AND UNDERSTAND YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT. I'M SORRY THAT YOU MISSED IT WHEN IT CAME UP AND WERE NOT ABLE TO TALK. >> COMMISSIONER THERE IS 195 VACANCIES. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS WHERE AM DEFINITELY NEEDING HELP AND IF ANYBODY HAS OTHER IDEAS JUMP IN I'M KIND OF WAITING TO SEE HOW THIS PLAYED OUT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE TRANSFER. IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICER, DO YOU COUNT THOSE IN ON THE LAW-ENFORCEMENT. >> THAT IS THE MOST OF THEM. >> I SPOKE TO THE SHERIFF AND THE IT DEPARTMENT IS IN THEIR BUDGET CUTS CUT IS ONE PERSON THAT WORKS IN THE JAIL AND HE WANTS TO NEGOTIATE AND TRANSFER OVER JUST LIKE WE DID THE OTHER PERSON IN THERE TO HAVE A COMPUTER PERSON. >> HE HAS PLENTY OF VACANCIES. >> HE WANTS TO KEEP THE PERSON THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WELL FOR HIM. >> I BELIEVE 87 VACANCIES AT THE JOB. >> MAKE SURE THAT PERSON GETS TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S, WILL YOU WORK ON T THAT. >> I WORK WITH THE COURT TO MAKE SURE HOW IT GETS TRANSFERRED FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE IT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> THAT STILL REPRESENTS A CUT BECAUSE IT GOES INTO A VACANT POSITION THAT WE HAVE NOT CUT. IT IS STILL IN THE CUT. >> WITH THE SHERIFF WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT POSITION DID NOT GET DELETED, HE SAID HE WOULD PICK IT UP BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIS DEPARTMENT. >> DO WE NEED TO DO THAT AS A MOTION BECAUSE IT ESTELLA NET CUT. >> IS THE SHERIFF ON HERE. >> THEORETICALLY THIS POSITION FROM THE IT DIVISION AND MOVING INTO VACANT POSITION, TECHNICALLY A DELETION EVEN THOUGH IT'S TAKEN A VACANT POSITION. YES. >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO DO THAT WE NEED A MOTION TO TRANSFER THE POSITION. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. INDIA POST, SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. NOW YOU CAN GO TO YOUR VACANCIES. >> I MISSED I APOLOGIZE. >> IS REALLY JUST FOR BUDGET THE DELETED IS GOING TO TRANSFER TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. >> NO COST TRANSFER. ONE TO ANOTHER BUT WERE DELETING A POSITION IN IT. >> THE SHERIFF WANTS TO KEEP HIM, HE IS NOT HERE BUT I'M ASSUMING. >> ON VACANCIES. >> IF SOMEONE HAS SOMETHING BESIDES VACANCIES I AM PAUSING TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING. >> YOU HAVE ONE MORE. I AM JOKING. >> REBECCA DO YOU WANT TO COME UP. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONE ALREADY. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR REBECCA. LOOKING AT IT FROM LAST TIME THE WAY THAT WE TALKED I KNOW THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN ROB'S TOWN TO. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE IN ROB'S TOWN? >> EIGHT. THAT IS THE COUNTY BUILDING QUESTIONING. >> IT IS OUR BUILDING. >> WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT YOURS IN THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION IS THERE ANYWAY THAT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MERGING BUT [04:40:03] SOME OF YOU HAVING TO WORK WITH VETERANS AS THEY DO SOME OF THE SAME THINGS. >> I THINK THAT'S A MISCONCEPTION, JJ'S OFFICE AND MY OFFICE WE DO NOT DO THE SAME THING, JJ DOES VETERANS CLAIMS. >> THE SAME THING THEY DO FOR CIVILIANS. >> I ASSUME, HE DOES VETERANS AND PROCESSES VETERANS CLAIMS AND WE DO CASE MANAGEMENT FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE IN COMMON IS A VETERANS GRANT AND WE ARE HOUSED TOGETHER. WE INTERACT WITH SOME OF THE SAME CLIENTS BUT OUR STAFF DOES NOT DO THE SAME THING. >> , JUST OFF RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY STAFF? >> 20. >> OF THE BUDGET CUTS I FROZE TO CASEWORKER POSITIONS. >> FROZE OR ELIMINATED? >> YOUR PERCENTAGE OF YOUR CUT THAT YOU MADE TO YOUR DEPARTMENT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SPENT. YOUR BUDGET IS $513,000 IN DIRECT HELP, IS THAT RIGHT? PROPOSED. >> OF THE NEW ONE? >> YES. I THINK THIS IS A TYPO, IT IS 2016 OR 2017. IT IS ESTIMATED ACTUAL. >> IS A TYPO. >> ESTIMATED ACTUAL FOR 2023, DIRECT HELP ONLY BE $451,000. AND YOUR BUDGET WAS 604 . >> WE HAVE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUN LEFT OVER BECAUSE WE GET GRANTS THROUGH THE YEAR, SO WE USE THE GRANTS RATHER THAN GENERAL FUNDING. >> WHY WOULD THE CUT NOT JUST HAVE GONE TO WHAT THE ACTUAL WAS? >> I THINK THAT IS ABOUT WHAT W DID. >> OKAY NO. SO THIS TYPO THING, WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE. IS I [04:45:02] LAST YEAR'S BUDGET? >> YES LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. >> IS SAYS 2016 AND 2017, WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO SAY? >> 2022-23. >> THE 2022 BUDGET WAS 604,000, YOU'RE CUTTING IT TO 513,000, ACTUAL. ESTIMATED IS 451 SO WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE A CUT BACK DOWN TO 451? I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING LIK THIS? IT IS NOT STATUTORY, AND THINK WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE, BUT AGAIN THAT COULD BE AN AREA THAT YOU COULD CUT, AND THEN CUT DOWN ANOTHER $66,000 T THE ACTUAL BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR I KNOW YOU DO NOT WANT TO. >> I WILL MAKE WHATEVER YOU GIV ME WORK. AND WE TRY TO GET OUR GRANTS, AND WE TRY TO HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE AND THAT IS WHAT WILL CONTINUE TO DO. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE EXPENSE THAT HIGH. WHY IS IT SO HIGH? DID WE PROVIDE TOO MUCH SERVICES FOR TOO LONG? >> THE EXPENSE OF THE DIRECT CLIENT SERVICES? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING? THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND DIRECT CLIENTS? >> THE ADMINISTRATIVE. >> SHE CUT ADMINISTRATIVE. LET ME LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES. >> WHAT DO YOU SPEND FOR SERVICES? >> THE EXPENSE FOR SERVICES WAS THE 400 THAT WE JUST CUT TO. >> YOU CUT ALL THE SERVICES? >> 15% OF THE DIRECT CLIENT SERVICES. AND THE DIRECT CLIEN SERVICES ARE THE RENT, BUT THE BILLS AND THE FOOD VOUCHERS, AN VARIABLE EXPENSES, AND THE THINGS WE PROVIDE DIRECTLY TO CLIENTS. >> YOU KNOW I CAN UNDERSTAND TH BURIALS BECAUSE IT IS A ONE-TIM THING, BUT WITH RENT, HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE RENT? >> IF YOU COME FOR ASSISTANCE I IS GENERALLY ONE-TIME ASSISTANCE. >> YOU ONLY HELP ONE TIME? >> THERE ARE A FEW CASES THAT W WILL HELP LONGER-TERM, BUT NOT HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HER CASELOAD IT IS USUALLY ONE-TIME ASSISTANCE, IT IS TO PREVENT EVICTION OR PREVENT DISCONNECTION, WE WANT PEOPLE T STAY HOUSED. >> SURE. >> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE CASEWORKERS DO. IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT DIRECT HELP I KNOW THAT AS PART OF THE BUDGET. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT GIVING THE MONEY, IT IS ABOUT WORKING ON THEIR DILEMMAS AND HELPING THEM GET THROUGH IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT BETTER. >> WE PROVIDE HOLISTIC COMPREHENSIVE CASE MANAGEMENT. WE TAKE A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO CASE MANAGEMENT. IF YOU COME TO US FOR ASSISTANCE, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. YOU LOST YOUR JOB, YOU HAD AN INJURY, YOU ARE APPLYING FOR BENEFITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET TO THOSE RESOURCES WE WILL HELP YOU TRY TO GET THAT. BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOES NOT WANT TO BE PAYING YOUR BILLS FOR YOU. WE WANT YOU TO B SELF-SUFFICIENT AND KNOW YOUR RESOURCES AND HOW TO DO THINGS AND HELP YOU TEMPORARILY TO KEE YOU HOUSE, TO GIVE YOUR SERVICE ON. WE NETWORK IN THE COMMUNITY A LOT, WE WERE JUST IN ROB'S TOWN AT THAT EVENT OUT THERE AN WE JUST KNOW WHERE TO SEND PEOPLE. THE SOCIAL WORKERS WE HAVE ARE GENERALIST SOCIAL WORKERS AND SO WE WORK WITH ALL POPULATIONS OF PEOPLE. WE ARE NOT FOCUSED ON HOSPICE OR ONE THING OF THE OTHER, WE TAKE CAR OF EVERYBODY. WE HAVE CLIENTS WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, WE WANT THEM TO HAVE SERVICES. AND WE HAVE THE WORKING POOR, WE WANT THEM TO HAVE GOOD JOBS AND REFER THEM TO SERVICES FOR WORK WE DEAL WITH A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE. AND SO THE CASEWORKERS WILL SEE A CLIENT, THEY WILL DO AN ASSESSMENT, AND THEY WILL PROVIDE CASE MANAGEMENT. WE MAY [04:50:05] ONLY PAY THE BILL ONE-TIME, THA WE MAY SEE THE CLIENT A COUPLE OF MONTHS, OR LONGER THAN THAT TO HELP THEM OUT WITH WHATEVER THEY NEED. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, I IS NOT ALWAYS FINANCIAL, IT COULD BE REFERRING THEM TO OTHE PROGRAMS, OR PROVIDING A SERVIC LIKE THAT. >> IT SEEMED NOT THE EASIEST THING TO DO. I STRUGGLE WITH THIS DURING THIS BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS NOT A STATUTORY DEPARTMENT. BUT I'M NOT A HEARTLESS PERSON EITHER. JUST THE PHYSICAL RESPONSIBILITY AND HUMANE RESPONSIBILITY. I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION TO REDUCE THE DIRECT HEL FROM THE BUDGETED REQUEST, DOW TO THE ACTUAL REQUEST FROM LAST YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT $62,000. AND I WOULD WANT TO ALSO MAKE THE FROZEN POSITIONS ELIMINATED POSITIONS AT THE LEAST. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS. I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT. >> HOW MANY VACANT POSITIONS? >> SHE HAS FROZEN TWO OF THEM, AND INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM FROZEN I'M SAYING MAKING THEM PERMIT OR PERMANENT. >> I HAVE HAD TO VACANT POSITIONS I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FILL. WE HAVE HAD TWO PEOPLE THAT LEFT IN JANUARY. AND SO TH TWO OF THEM VACANT NOW ARE BECAUSE WE HAD PROMOTIONS WITHI THE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN WE WER STOPPED FROM HIRING. THAT IS HARD ON US. >> SAID IS THERE A LOT MORE VACANCIES? IT ISN'T TOO BAD, IT SEEMS LIKE AT ONE POINT THERE WAS QUITE A BIT BUT I ASSUME THERE IS STILL TURNOVER. >> YES THERE IS TURNOVER. >> OUR PAY IS NOT COMPETITIVE I THE STATE DOES NOT PAY IT. >> YEAH. WE SEE A LOT OF CLIENTS. I WILL SAY THIS. LIKE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE THE PAY IS LOW, YOU BECOME A TRAINING GROUND, THEY COME TRAI AND THEY MOVE ON, BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE. AND WE CANNOT OFFER THE PAY OTHER PLACES CAN. >> NOT NOW, BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, WHEN YOU'RE BEYOND, ARE THERE CONSOLIDATIONS THAT COULD BE MADE, MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO B A HIGHER WORKLOAD, BUT WITH THE SAME KIND OF BUDGET OR SIMILAR BUDGET SIDES YOU HAVE FOR THE DEPARTMENT, COULD YOU DO THE INCREASE OF SALARIES AND MAKE I MORE ATTRACTIVE TO RETAIN? OR D YOU NOT SEE THAT HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE WORK. >> I THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK. LOSING TWO OF THEM RIGHT NOW WILL MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE FUTURE. AND WE HAVE BEEN SHORT-STAFFED BEFORE AND WE WIL GET THROUGH THIS. IT HAPPENS. >> LET ME THINK ABOUT IT. I PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS EVERY QUARTER, I CALL IT THE TRAFFIC REPORT WHICH TELLS YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY PEOPLE COME THROUGH TH DOORS AND THEY SIGN IN AND ALL OF THAT. THE CASEWORKERS ARE USUALLY CARRYING 40 TO 60 CASES DEPENDING ON TIME OF YEAR. SUMMER IS BUSY FOR US AND BACK-TO-SCHOOL TIME. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK, ARE CASEWORKERS REQUIRED TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE A DAY. >> WE HAVE SO MANY APPOINTMENTS PER DAY. WE ARE BOOKED UP THROUGH MID OCTOBER TO LATE OCTOBER ALREADY. IS >> LOOKS LIKE YOU SENT THE LAST ONE IN JULY. >> I SEND THEM TO YOU EVERY QUARTER. >> WE CAN BREAK DOWN THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND CASES WORK, IT SHOW 32 CASES WORKED. >> AND IS NOT JUST FOR THE BURIAL? >> OH, THAT'S RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. 208 PEOPLE MONTHLY, 109 CASES MONTHLY. [04:55:07] >> THAT IS PROBABLY JUST THE GENERAL PROGRAM. >> THAT IS THE DIRECT SERVICES, THEN YOU HAVE THE GRANT SERVICES, THOSE ARE THE ONES WITH THE FOOD, RENT ASSISTANCE, UTILITIES, FUNDING. ESP? >> EMERGENCY FOOD AND SHELTER PROGRAM. AND WITH THE BURIALS WE GET A LOT OF REFERRALS FOR BURIALS THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THA WE WILL WORK THE CASES BUT WE MAY RESOLVE THEM WITHOUT THE COUNTY HAVING TO PAY MONEY WE MAY FIND THE NEXT OF KIN THAT I WILLING TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES OR WE DISCOVER THERE IS AN INSURANCE POLICY OR SOMETHING T THAT AFFECT. AND SO WE WORK A LOT MORE BURIAL CASES THAN THE COUNTY PAYS FOR. JUST DOING DUE DILIGENCE. >> I'M SORRY, HOW MUCH DO Y'ALL GIVE PER BURIAL? >> IT IS ABOUT $1800 PER BURIAL . THAT INCLUDES THE PROFESSIONA SERVICE AT THE FUNERAL HOME, TH OPENING AND CLOSING OF THE GRAV SITE, AND AT THE CEMETERY SITE. >> HAS IMPROVED SINCE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS FIRST HERE FOR CREMATION. >> I AM JUST THINKING THAT YOU COULD HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION LOOK AT IT, MAYBE LOOK AT SEEIN IF THE CASEWORKERS ARE DOING 40 OR 60 CASES, IS THE ADMINISTRATION DOING THE SAME THING? DO THEY ALSO HAVE THAT MANY CASES? >> NO. THEY DO NOT HAVE CASES. WE DO FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING WITHIN OUR OFFICE. FOR EACH OF OUR GRANTS WE ARE DOING REPORTING, AND ALL OF THAT. SO WE HAVE ACCOUNTING ASSISTANCE, WE HAVE CLERICAL STAFF THAT WOR WITH THE PUBLIC AND TAKE APPLICATIONS. >> HOW MANY GRANTS YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW? >> ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE. >> HOW MUCH DO YOU DISTRIBUTE OUT? ON THIS SIDE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF ADMINISTRATION, AND IF YOU LOOK AT $296,000 GOING OUT, AND YOU HAVE 1.4 IN PERSONNEL, IT IS KIND OF LOPSIDED . I THINK IF YOU INCLUDE THE GRANTS, AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES TO YOUR OFFICE OR THE HELP GIVEN, THAT CHANGES THE PERSPECTIVE. >> WHERE ARE THE GRANTS HERE? >> THEY ARE 1350. >> SO HOW DOES IT - >> 1315? >> NO. 1350, WITH A -50. >> IT IS 246. >> I HAVE MY OWN BOOK. >> NOT A LOT OF GRANTS. >> 1351. >> THAT IS JUST MONEY BECAUSE I AND OUT. >> YES. >> JUST FOR DISCUSSION I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ELIMINATE THE TWO POSITIONS THAT SHE HAS FROZEN PERMANENTLY AND TO REDUC THE DIRECT SOCIAL SERVICES BY ANOTHER $62,000 TO MEET THE ACTUAL BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR. THAT WOULD BE A CUT I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT. >> AND I SECOND THAT. >> I'M SORRY WHAT WAS THE DOLLARS PASSED OUT? >> ROUGHLY $62,000. AND ALSO T ELIMINATE THE TWO POSITIONS THA SHE FROZE, YEAH. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, [05:00:04] ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE . >> AYE . >> DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING QUICKLY? I THINK HERS IS ABOUT THE TRANSFER WITHOUT DEPARTMENT BEING OVER THERE . >> MY QUESTION IS I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE DISSOLVING RISK MANAGEMENT AND MOVING THEM OVER WITH PROGRAMS, AND I'M SURE THERE ARE FEES AND MONIES HE NEEDS TO RUN THE PROGRAM AND BUILDING EVALUATIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU DISSOLV THE OFFICE SOME COMES WITH HIM. I DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT. >> THE FUNDS FOR HIS PROGRAM WILL COME WITH IT. AND STILL HAVE TO BE MONITORED. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I HEARD SAVINGS AND EVERYTHING BU I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD IT COVERED. THEY STREAMLINE THE OFFICE AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN COMBINE AND DO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SERVICES, THAT RISK MANAGEMENT DOES HAVE TO DO. >> THAT DID NOT CUT ANY OF THAT >> A GOOD QUESTION. >> >> I NEED TO DO MY MATH. GO AHEAD. I WILL KEEP THAT IN MIND HOW MUCH? >> >> OKAY, NOW I WILL ASK AGAIN. >> WHAT IS THE TOTAL CUSTOMER >> NO. BEFORE WE GO TO VACANCIE DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF ANY OTHER ONES? >> ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? >> OKAY. YOU HAVE RAISED THE POINT I NEED TO BRING UP. THERE WERE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT FROZE POSITIONS INSTEAD OF CUT THEM. BUT IF THEY FROZE THEM, AND THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A CUT AND IT WAS NOT A CUT, I DON'T MEAN THIS IN A BAD WAY, BUT WHA GOOD IS THE FREEZE? >> WELL IT DOES NOT GET FUNDED EITHER BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PAYIN FOR IT. >> IT DOES BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE UNFILLED POSITIONS. >> IT IS BUDGETED BUT YOU'RE NO FILLING IT OUT. >> IT IS IN THE 198, AND NOW WITH THESE TWO BEING GONE, IT I NOW 196, I UNDERSTAND. >> IS AS WELL BEFORE THEY CAN BE UNFROZEN. >> THE QUESTION I HAVE IS IF TH FRIEZES THAT ARE ARTICULATED, I COULD BE A CATEGORY THAT WE LOO AT IS MY POINT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO DO THAT. IF THE NUMBER IS ONE POINT 1.3136, HO MANY VACANT POSITIONS, AND I KNOW IT IS HARD BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT VACANT POSITION I ASSUME YOU KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE COST OF A VACANT POSITION IS, OR COULD RUN THAT. HOW MANY OF THOSE ON THE AVERAG WOULD WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE VACANCIES TO GET TO OUR ZERO NUMBER? AND I KNOW THAT IS REALLY HARD TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT LIKE THAT, DALE AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU CANNOT DO IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO GO RIGHT NOW TO GET THAT FINAL 1.3 OF THOSE RESOLUTIONS. >> >> ONE POSITION IS ABOUT $50,000. THAT IS THE LOWEST ONE [05:05:02] WE HAVE SOME VACANCIES THAT ARE HIGHER PAID. >> IS THAT RIGHT? >> IS ABOUT AVERAGE. >> IF YOU TAKE THE AVERAGE OF $50,000, WE WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINATE 27 VACANCIES. WE WOUL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PIC THEM, WE WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINAT 27 VACANCIES, AND WE ARE DONE. NOW HOW DO WE GET THERE? I DO NOT KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE D THAT. >> IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, SOMETIMES WHEN TIM COMES FORWARD, THERE ARE A LOT OF POSITIONS WE HAVE HAD THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT A VERY LONG TIME. I IS HARD TO FIND POSITIONS. NOW FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IT IS HARD TO FIND FOR THE JAIL. SOME OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT PEOPLE FOR PUBLIC WORKS, THEY HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING DRIVERS. BUT THEY STILL NEED THESE DRIVERS, YET THEY HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING THEM. SOMETIMES THESE POSITIONS ARE VACANT FOR YEARS. >> AND THAT IS WHY ONE OF THE RESOLUTION LAST ON THE FREEZING THING. SO LET'S KIND OF TALK THROUGH THAT. IF WE PASS A RESOLUTION THAT DOES A HARD FREEZE, LIKE A REAL FREEZE, FOR ONE YEAR, AND NOT FOR EVERYTHING, BUT FOR 27 POSITIONS, AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, IN OTHER WORDS, DON'T JUST WANT TO PICK ON THE SHERIFF BECAUSE HE HAS THE MOST VACANCIES FROM BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE MOST VACANCIES AS IT IS A HARD JOB IN THE COUNTY TO FEEL AND PHIL, I DON' WANT TO SAY LET'S TAKE ALL 27 FROM THAT DEPARTMENT. I THINK I IS REALISTIC AND THAT IT WOULD BE HARD EVER FILL THOSE POSITIONS BECAUSE WE HAD 80 OPENINGS OVER THERE FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, YEARS. RIGHT? BU I DON'T WANT THE SHERIFF TO THINK I'M PICKING ON HIM AND NO DOING IT ACROSS THE BOARD. SO THE FRIEZES WOULD HELP US FOR ONE YEAR, BUT IT WOULD NOT HELP US AFTER THAT IF THEY WERE UNFROZEN BUT WHERE IS PERMANENT DELETIONS TAKE IT OUT OF THE BUDGET FOREVER AND EVER UNTIL SOMEONE PUTS IT BACK. >> THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET WERE VACANCIES. >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> 17 FROZEN POSITIONS WERE INCLUDED IN THE CUT POSITIONS, AT THE TIME THAT WE EVALUATED THOSE OF THE 17 WERE VACANT. >> COULD WE SAY THIS AND BE WITHIN THE LAWS OF PASSING A BUDGET ? COULD WE SAY, IF THE COURT WANTED TO, WE WILL ELIMINATE 27 VACANCIES, AND WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT LATER? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE HAVE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ON THEIR VACANCIES. I AM TRYING TO BE CREATIVE HERE AND I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG. I DO NOT KNOW WHICH 27, WHICH ARE THE BEST 27 TO PICK, THAT WE WILL ELIMINATE $1.3 MILLION A VACANCIES, $1.31 MILLION A VACANCIES AND DO IT LATER? >> 27 PEOPLE WOULD DO THAT? >> WE HAVE 196 AND THE COUNTY AND WE HAVE TO GET ENOUGH DEPARTMENTS TO WORK WITH US AND AGREE AND SAY, MAYBE THE SHERIF GIVES US 10. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE I CANNOT EVEN RATTLE THEM OFF, I DON'T KNOW WHERE AL THE VACANCIES ARE. >> WELL, IN PUBLIC WORKS ARE 26 VACANCIES. >> 26? >> ENGINEERING THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES, PARKS THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, RECORDS THERE IS ONE O THEM, WEIGHT, THERE IS FOUR IN RECORDS, AND ONE OF THEM IN TREASURY, AND ONE IN COLLECTIONS. FOR THE TAX OFFIC WE HAVE SEVEN. HR SAYS I HAVE ONE, I'VE GOT THREE. PURCHASING HAS ONE OF THEM. >> I GUESS WE COULD START WITH THE PEOPLE THAT REPORT TO US. I HATE TO DO THAT. THAT IS EASIE [05:10:02] THAN TRYING TO CALL 15 ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SAYING WHAT DO YO THINK AT THIS POINT? >> >> YES I KNOW. BUT 26 IN PUBLIC WORKS? >> WE HAVE TO REMEMBER ON THE 17TH WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR PUBLIC WORKS. >> AND MOST OF THE PUBLIC WORKS ARE THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS OR THE TRUCK DRIVERS, HARD-TO-FIND PEOPLE FOR. AND BECAUSE WE DO TRANSFER MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO PUBLIC WORKS, IF YOU DO A SMALL EXCHANGE WITH PUBLIC WORKS, DO TRANSFER FROM GENERAL FUND PUBLIC WORKS. BUT AGAIN WE DO NOT WANT TO HURT PUBLIC WORKS. >> WE DO NOT WANT TO HURT ANYBODY. BUT AGAIN THE MESSAGE OF THIS COURT HAS BEEN THAT PEOPLE IS THE LAST CUT, BUT VACANCIES WE COULD WORK ON. I DON'T KNOW. IT SOUNDS TO ME IF WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO CUT 27 VACANCIES, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY IDEAS, WE ARE BACK DOWN TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. ANYBODY >> THE LARGEST ONE WOULD BE THE SHERIFF, WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE JAIL WITH SO MANY VACANCIES AND RIGHT NOW ANIMAL CONTROL ALSO HAS THREE VACANCIES. >> OKAY, GO FIND JUAN. WE HAVE TO START BARGAINING HERE OR WE WILL SIT HERE ALL NIGHT AND NOT DO ANYTHING. OR GET SOMETHING ELSE. WE ARE A LOT BETTER THAN WE WER WHEN WE STARTED. WE ARE NOT THA FAR AWAY. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING TODAY, WE STILL HAVE THE 27TH. >> THIS HAS TO BE DONE TODAY. >> WE HAVE TO ADOPT A BUDGET TODAY BUT WE CANNOT COME BACK T THE CUT PART. IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO CUT $1.3 MILLION IN VACANCIES TODAY, AND PASS IT, COME BACK ON THE 19TH, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, COME BACK WITH SPECIFICS ON THIS VACANCIES, HO IS THAT A PROBLEM? >> NOT A PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE GET TO THE LEVEL THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> OKAY TEAM. HERE WE GO. THE MOTION WOULD BE TO CUT , WHAT I HAVE IS $1.3136 MILLION, BUT IT WOULD BE LIKE 1.4 MILLION VACANCIES WITH THE LIST TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO BE DETERMINED O THE 19TH. THAT WOULD BE THE AGENDA. >> THREE MORE DO WE NEED TO CUT? SAYING ONE POINT FOR TO BE SAFE LEVEL, SOME OF THE VACANCIES AR AT A HIGHER LEVEL. LIKE THE POSITIONS WE KNOW, THIS ONE IS GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS WHICH IS $100,000. SPIRIT WHICH ONE? >> GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS. >> OKAY. >> THIS WAS ONE OF MY BIGGEST. >> I TEXT HIM, YOU MIGHT WANT T COME. >> YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE THAT GETS THE BIG QUESTION. THERE AR 26 VACANCIES IN PUBLIC WORKS. >> WE NEED 25 OF THOSE RED LAUGHTER ] >> DO NOT DO THAT. WE'RE TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT, NOT JUST YOU, BU EVERYONE HOW MANY OF THE VACANCIES. 196 VACANCIES ARE LEFT IN THE COUNTY. IF WE CUT 27, THAT WILL GET US TO FLAT AN WE ARE DONE. JUST VACANCIES. WE WILL ASK EVERYBODY WHO HAS VACANCIES. >> SHERIFF SENT A MESSAGE HE'S ALREADY CUT SIX OF HIS VACANCIE IN THE BUDGET. HE JUST WANTS US TO KNOW. >> YES I KNOW. >> OVERALL IN OUR BUDGET WE CUT [05:15:09] OVER $600,000? AND NOT ONLY CUTTING PERSONNEL, WE ARE GETTING CALLS FROM CONSTITUENTS AND ALSO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR ROADS TO GET FIXED. WITHOUT TRUCK DRIVERS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS I KNOW IT HAS BEEN TOUGH THE PAST TWO YEARS TO TRY TO HIRE PEOPLE. WE HAVE STARTE DELETING MORE PERSONNEL FROM PUBLIC WORKS, IT WILL GET HARDER. >> VACANCIES, NOT PERSONNEL. >> NOTE. VACANCIES. YOU CANNOT HIRE THOSE PHYSICIANS LATER ON, WE WILL BE HURTING. >> ARE THERE JUST THREE OR FOUR YOU CANNOT FIND SPOTS FOR? >> WELL, I THINK THEY WERE THE ONES MENTIONED EARLIER, LIKE TH TRUCK DRIVERS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS. >> BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE VACANCIES FOR A WHILE . >> YES WE DO. WHAT WE ARE TRYIN TO DO IS PUT SOME TRAINING IN FOR OUR STAFF, SO WITH SOME OF OUR STAFF AT OUR EQUIPMENT OPERATORS WE CAN MOVE THEM TO HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS, SO THEY CAN AT LEAST TRY TO GET THEIR CLASS B AND MOVE THEM ON AND GET THEM TRADE. BECAUSE WE DO NEED HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS. IT IS GOING TO BE HARD FOR THE DEPARTMENT. >> IT WILL BE HARD FOR EVERYBODY, I GET IT. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL FILL THES POSITIONS. >> NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO TRAIN SOME OF OUR STAFF THAT ARE JUST OPERATORS, AND GET THEM MOVED UP TO HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS. >> WE SHOULD HAVE HAD ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. I KNOW THAT SOME HAVE MADE CUTS. LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE WE HAVE HAD DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT HAVE DONE THIS EVEN WHEN THE NEED HASN'T BEEN AS GREAT. BUT PROPORTIONATELY, SOME CAN SAY THEY HAVE MADE EIGHT OR 10. THA IS SIZABLE. MAYBE THE DEPARTMEN HAS ONLY GOT ONE, AND WE HAVE MADE IT FOR THEM. BUT IT IS PROPORTIONAL. I DO NOT WANT TO CUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT IF WE ARE NEVER FILLING THAT POSITION WHY DON'T WE CUT MORE? PUBLIC WORKS, WE HAVE CUT SOME, BUT IF YOU CUT A FEW MORE, I'M HOPING THE DISCUSSION WE GIVE HIM IN THE FUTURE, JUST TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND AND CONSOLIDATE TO MAKE THOSE POSITIONS MORE ATTRACTIVE. I'M ALL FOR THAT. I WILL CONTINUALLY SUPPORT THAT I IT MEANS HELPING SHRINK DOWN TH BUDGET NOW AND GIVING ME FLEXIBILITY. I WILL SAY NOW I WILL SUPPORT ANY DEPARTMENT HEA WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND MOVE AROUND YOUR DEPARTMENT, OR ELECTED OFFICIAL, AND WANTS TO MOVE THERE DEPARTMENT AROUND TO MAKE THAT POSITION MORE ATTRACTIVE. ELIMINATING ONE AND CONSOLIDATING THE OTHER. I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD. I'M NOT SAYING SINCERELY WHAT WE WILL DO, BUT THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT. DO HAVE A LISTED SOMEONE COULD GET US, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL SO WE COULD LOOK, AND WHOEVER IS HERE SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE. THE CHIEF IS HERE. >> HE PROBABLY HAS COMMENTS. >> OF COURSE I DO. YOU'VE ALREADY CUT SIX POSITIONS. YOU CUT SIX TRAINING POSITIONS OUT OF THE JAIL AND YOU CUT THE DEPUTY. BUT WHEN YOU START CUTTING PUBLIC SAFETY AND YOU CALL FOR DEPUTY AND YOU NEED HELP WHEN THEY ARE NOT THERE THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT THE RELATIVE THE SITUATION IS WHEN YOU DO, YOU ARE PUTTING THE RISK OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. >> BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING CURRENT EMPLOYEES. >> YOU KEEP SAYING THAT WE WILL NEVER FILL THE POSITIONS BUT WE ARE, AND WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN CUT WAY BACK. >> DO YOU THINK WE WILL FILL AL 80 THIS YEAR? SPIRIT I THINK WE COULD IT SOME POINT. IN THE LAS SIX WEEKS WE'VE PICKED UP 20 POSITIONS BECAUSE THE SHERIFF HAS SPENT MONEY ON RECRUITING, HIRED AN OUTSIDE RECRUITING AGENCY . I THINK WE HAVE 12 IN THE BARREL RIGHT NOW I'M AN ADDITIONAL 12. >> HE HAS GOTTEN GREAT RESPONSE . >> AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THE JAIL, AS IT IS, WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING 12'S, IT'S NOT WHAT WE CALL A PANAMA SHIFT WHERE THEY GET EVERY OTHER WEEKEND OFF. I MEAN THEY ARE WORKING HARD 12S AND WORKING OVERTIME EVERY WEEK EVERY WEEK BUT IT IS COSTING YO SIGNIFICANTLY AND IF WE COULD FILL THOSE POSITIONS YOU COULD SAVE YOU SOME MONEY BUT IF YOU START CUTTING THOSE POSITIONS, THE POSITIONS THAT ARE NOW COVERING THE OVERTIME WILL BE [05:20:01] GONE, AND YOU WILL BE IN THE HOLE ANYWAY. >> GOOD POINT, GLAD YOU ARE HERE. >> YOU TOOK ONE DEPUTY AWAY FRO ME, BUT THAT ONE DEPUTY COULD MEAN THE DIFFERENCE OF A BACKUP OR NOT A BACKUP, OR GETTING TO CALL FOR SERVICE THAT IS EMERGENCY RELATED. >> WHO TOOK THE DEPUTY AWAY? >> THE AUDITORS OFFICE TOOK ONE DEPUTY AND FIVE CORRECTIONS, SI POSITIONS YOU'VE TAKEN. >> HE SUBMITTED IT? >> CAME FROM THE AUDITORS OFFICE. IT WAS SENT TO US AND W HAD DENA CHECK TO SEE WHERE WE WERE ON POSITIONS, WE HAD SIX TAKEN OUT OF OUR BUDGET. >> AND ONE WAS A DEPUTY? >> YES. >> I DID NOT CATCH THAT ONE. >> WE HAD 28 DEPUTIES LAST BUDGET, NOW WE ARE DOWN TO 27. AND SIX CORRECTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> SO YOU WE HAVE TAKEN SEVEN TOTAL? >> SEVEN. >> THE MICROCOMPUTER. IT WAS MIDYEAR PERSONNEL CHANGES. >> THIS WASN'T CHANGES WE IMPLEMENTED AT THE END? CHANGES MADE EARLIER? >> NO. >> WE HAD 28 DEPUTIES AND WE DI NOT GIVE UP ONE DEPUTY BUT YOU TOOK ONE FROM US. AND THERE WAS SIX CADET POSITIONS YOU TOOK WE HAD NOT GIVEN UP. WE HAVE FROZE SOME POSITIONS AND WE'VE TAKEN POSITIONS, LIKE HE GAVE UP POSITIONS FOR THAT. WERE NOT ARGUING ABOUT THOSE, MONEY IS GETTING PAID FOR SOMEBODY. WE BROUGHT AN I.T. PERSON OVER. >> WHEN DID WE TAKE ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY? HANG ON. LIKE HOW DOES THAT WORK? SPIRIT I DON'T KNOW. I JUST KNOW THAT MY PEOPL CAME TO ME YESTERDAY AND SAID W WERE -6 POSITIONS . >> RIGHT BUT THE SHERIFF JUST TEXTED THE JUDGE AND SAID YOU GAVE UP SIX POSITIONS. >> THAT IS NOT WHAT WE DISCUSSE EARLIER. >> THEY SAID SIX OF THE SHERIFF'S VACANCIES ARE CUT ALREADY IN THE BUDGET BOOK. >> AND THAT CAME FROM THE AUDITORS OFFICE. AND ONE WAS A DEPUTY . WE HAD 28 THIS PRESENT BUDGET, AND WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD HAVE 27 IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET. >> NO OFFENSE, I WOULD RATHER TAKE ANOTHER CORRECTIONAL WAY THAN A DEPUTY. I MEAN WE NEED T FIX THAT. YOU HAVE GOT TO TELL US. IF Y'ALL DON'T TELL US, THE AUDITOR HAS A HARD JOB, AND HIS JOB THIS TIME WAS 10 TIMES AS HARD, BUT IF YOU DON'T COME TEL US, THAT CAUGHT MY EAR IMMEDIATELY. >> I DID NOT KNOW UNTIL YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND IT IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HAD A CHANC TO TALK ABOUT IT. I'M GLAD TO KNOW YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT EITHER AND SO YOU CAUGHT IT, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. >> THAT IS MY WORRIES, AS I SAI EARLIER. WHEN WE MAKE CUTS AND VOTE, WE DO NOT REALIZE SOME OF THOSE CUTS AND WHEN THE DUST SETTLES, LIKE TOMORROW MORNING WE THEN REALIZE WHAT HAS HAPPENED? I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE BRINGING THIS UP. I'M NOT SAYIN WE WERE WANTING TO SACRIFICE LA ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE USE THAT TO COVER AND THOSE POSITIONS ARE NOT JUST SITTING THERE, THE POSITIONS ARE USED STILL IN THE FUNDING TO HELP SUPPORT OVERTIME. >> AND COMMISSIONER, RESPECTFULLY, WE ARE TRYING TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS SO WE CAN PUT OUR PEOPLE BACK ON WHAT IS KNOWN AS A PANAMA SCHEDULE NOT ONLY 12 HOUR SHIFTS, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE OVERTIME SHIFTS, AN THEY WILL BE GETTING MORE TIME OFF BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY WORK A SCHEDULE THAT IS JUST BRUTAL. I UNDERSTAND WHY WE LOST SOME GOOD FIRST WE LOST SOME WITH COVID, THEN THEY WERE NOT COMIN BACK BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A HARD JOB. >> WE NEED TO FLIP THE DEPUTY BACK, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT. >> CHIEF, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. WE ALL AGREE THE COUNTY IS GROWING. THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE NOT GROWING ARE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED OUT THERE PATROLLING RURAL AREAS. >> I RECOGNIZE THIS IS NOT OF THE YEAR THAT WE WILL GROW. I A NOT TRYING TO GET THERE AND I UNDERSTAND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS WE AR UNDER AND I RESPECT THAT. I JUS DO NOT THINK IT HELPS IF WE START CUTTING PEOPLE THAT ARE PATROLLING. BECAUSE I HAVE TO KEEP WHERE WE ARE SO WHEN A GUY SAYS I NEED A DAY OFF I CAN GIV HIM A DAY OFF. I WILL TELL YOU [05:25:02] THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE I HAVE HAD ONE DEPUTY PATROLLING THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND WHEN THE CONSTABLES ARE NOT WORKING AT NIGHT, WHICH HAPPENS FREQUENTLY, YOU HAVE ONE DEPUTY AND HAVE TO DEPEND ON GPS TO HELP. >> IF WE COULD PUT THE DEPUTY BACK IN AND CHANGE SOMETHING. >> WE NEED TO PULL INFORMATION FROM PAYROLL AND CYCLES HR SAYS IT'S ONLY 27 EMPLOYEES AND WE WILL GET IT RESOLVED. >> OUR OFFICE MANAGER TELLS ME THAT SHE CHECKED THE BUDGET AND DOUBLE CHECK AND TRIPLE CHECK, WE HAD 20 POSITIONS IN THE PRESENT BUDGET THAT ARE NOT ALL FILLED, BUT THEY WILL BE I HAVE PEOPLE IN THE PIPE I'M GETTING READY TO HIRE BUT IF YOU TELL M THAT I CAN'T, I NEED TO KNOW. >> WHEN WE PULL INFORMATION FRO THE CURRENT SYSTEM, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WERE CHANGIN THE SYSTEM. IT IS 27 DEPUTIES. >> WE REACHED OUT TO THE AUDITORS OFFICE YESTERDAY AND W SAID WE ARE SEEING THIS, PUT THEM BACK. WE KNOW EVERYBODY HA TO MAKE SACRIFICES >> WE DO GET IT. OR JUST ASKING QUESTIONS. WE ARE KIND OF AT OU WITS END. NOT TRYING TO PICK ON ANYONE. >> YESTERDAY IT WASN'T FIXED. THE BIGGER DEPARTMENTS WILL ALWAYS HAVE MORE. >> LISA SAID THEY FIXED IT AFTE WE TALKED TO HER YESTERDAY AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BACK TO 2 NOW? >> WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN ONE OF THE DEPUTIES IS CERTIFIED, AFTER THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THEY CONNED FROM THE CADET SCHOOL, THEY CERTIFY HE WAS A DEPUTY OR A JAILER, THEY MOVE DOWN INTO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT. AND WHEN A VACANCY HAPPENS, THEY ARE TYPICALLY NOT HIRING A CERTIFIE JAILER OR A DEPUTY RIGHT OFF. THEY ARE GOING TO THE CADETS. S IT'S A VARIANCE BETWEEN THE CADET NUMBER, AND THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS. >> SHE IS CORRECT ON THE CORRECTIONS SIZE, ON THE CORRECTIONS SIDE. >> LISTEN WE HAVE A TON TO DO. >> WE WILL GO ON TO THE DEPUTY. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS >> YOU'RE THE ONE KEEPING THIS GOING. >> I'M TRYING. >> YOU CAN ALWAYS ADOPT A BUDGE TODAY AND CONTINUE TO MAKE CHANGES THROUGH THE YEAR. AND THE SAVINGS THAT YOU HAVE THROUGH THE YEAR, WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO GO TO YOUR FUND BALANCE AND YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE EXPENSES. >> WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> IF WE ADOPT THE BUDGET NOW, IT HAS THAT $1.3 MILLION, WE WANT TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THAT. IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT WAY IT I FINE. WE CAN ALWAYS REDUCE THE BUDGET BUT YOU CANNOT INCREASE WITHOUT EMERGENCY DECLARATION. >> ADOPTED THE BUDGET AS IT IS RIGHT NOW WITH THE AMENDMENTS WE'VE DISCUSSED. AND DURING THE YEAR YOU CUT WHERE YOU CAN AND REDUCE WHERE YOU CAN, AND KEEP GOING FORWARD. >> YES. >> YOU COULD CUT YOUR BUDGET ANYTIME YOU WANT TO CUT YOUR BUDGET. >> HOW CAN YOU PASS A BUDGET THAT IS NOT BALANCED? I HAVE NO HEARD THAT IN MY LIFE. YOU ARE SAYING THAT UNLESS WE CAN FIND CUTS THROUGH THE YEAR, WE WILL BE DIGGING ANOTHER $1.3 MILLION INTO THE RESERVES, WHICH STARTE 4 MILLION IN THE HOLE IN THE RESERVES TODAY BASED ON THE DEA EARLIER. THAT IS A LITTLE RISKY I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE PASSED BUDGET THAT WASN'T BALANCED. AN BALANCED LEGALLY IT MIGHT BE, BUT THAT THE REVENUES DID NOT MATCH THE EXPENSES, THAT IS BALANCED TO ME. BECAUSE RESERVE ARE RESERVES ARE RESERVES. THAT IS A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT. LEGALLY WE CAN. >> WE ARE STILL DIGGING IN. WE MAY WANT TO TAKE A 15 MINUTE RECESS. >> DO WE HAVE TO PASS THIS? OR CAN WE RECESS THE MEETING? >> YOU HAVE TO PASS THIS TODAY, THE LAW STATES YOU HAVE TO. >> YES UNDER 111.039, THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET FOR A COUNTY, IT SAYS THE BUDGET IS T BE ADOPTED AFTER THE TAX HAS BEEN SET. >> JUST ONE PERSON. AFTER TAXES HAVE BEEN SET, AND PUBLIC HEARING, THE BUDGET IS TO BE ADOPTED. HAVING THIS OFFICE. >> DOES IT SAY IN THE SAME DAY? [05:30:03] THIS, THEY'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW IF THE SOURCES ARE CORRECT, THA MEANS THE BUDGET IMPACT HAS TO BE ADOPTED TODAY. AND I BELIEVE BY RECOLLECTION IT DOES HAVE TO BE ADOPTED BY TODAY BUT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NO IN OUR OFFICE. SPENT LOOK AT THAT IN YOUR OFFICE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STATUTE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE DONE THAT DAY BUT WHAT YOU JUST READ ME DOESN'T SAY THAT. >> BASED OFF OF MEMORY AND SECONDARY SOURCES OR CASE LAW, DON'T RECALL IF IT HAS TO BE DONE ON THE SAME DAY THAT WE AR TRYING TO FIND THE SOURCES NOW TO MAKE SURE WHAT IT STANDS FOR >> RECESS FOR 15 MINUTES JUDGE TO TAKE A BREAK AND THEN COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER. >> OKAY YES, WE WILL SET A RECESS FOR 15 MINUTES. WE [05:39:58] [05:40:05] EXCEPT FOR EMPLOYEES ON THE PAYROLL AS OF OCTOBER 1, 2023 UNLESS RATIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. THE SALAR MAY BE TRANSFERRED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT TO A SPECIA RESERVE DESIGNATED BY THE COUNT AUDITOR. THE AUTHORITY AND FUND PROVIDED BY THIS ARE FROZEN FOR EACH VACANT POSITION UNTIL RELEASED AND REINSTATED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT -- >> THEY HAVE TO COME TO US. >> THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T FILL YOUR POSITIONS, YES. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED >> DOES THAT GO TO AARPA ATTORNEYS? >> YEAH, BUT THIS IS ALREADY FUNDED. >> IF YOU HAVE VACANCIES LIKE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRYING TO FILL THIS, THAT'S NOT FOR THIS. >> OKAY. I WANTED TO BE SURE. >> OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSED. NEXT ONE, SETTING TRAVEL MILEAG AND PER DIEM REIMBURSEMENT RATES. WHEREAS THE COMMISSIONER COURT SETS THE TRAVEL POLICIES FOR EXPENSES AND TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENTS FOR COUNTY OFFICIALS AND FUEL COSTS AND OTHER FACTORS HAVE INCREASED TH COSTS TO OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEE TO UNDERTAKE REASONABLE AND NECESSARY TRAVEL FOR THE PURPOSES OF COUNTY BUSINESS, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COMMISSIONER COURT BY NUECES COUNTY, TEXAS, THAT THE TRAVEL MILEAGE IS SET AT 69 CENTS PER 49 CENTS PER MILE AND PER DIEM IS $81 A DAY. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. >> IS THAT THE SAME AS LAST YEAR? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION IT IS THE SAME. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER COURT RESOLUTION COUNTY INTERFUND LOANS. WHEREAS A NUMBER OF THE GRANTS AWARDED TO THE COUNTY ARE REIMBURSEMENT GRANTS, REQUIRING THE COUNTY TO EXPEND COUNTY MONEYS BEFORE GETTING ACCESS TO THE GRANT FUNDS; WHEREAS THE COMMISSIONER COURT MAY NEED TO FUND PROJECTS IN THE INTERIM BEFORE BEING REIMBURSED BEFORE THE GRANT FUNDS AND FUNDING CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A SHORT-TERM COUNTY LOAN, LOANING MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE GRANT OPERATING FUND UNTIL GRANT FUNDING IS RECEIVED, AND WHEREAS FOR PURPOSES OF THIS RESOLUTION, A SHORT-TERM INTERFUND LOAN IS MEANT TO REFE TO CREDIT/DEBIT COUNTY ENTRIES IN THE COUNTY'S BALANCE SHEET BETWEEN TWO COUNTY FUNDS AND NO MEANT TO INDICATE A TRADITIONAL LOAN WHERE INTEREST MAY BE ACCRUED. THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT MONEYS UP TO A MAXIMUM OF $2 MILLION MAY BE USED TO PROVIDE THE COUNTY'S GRANT OPERATING FUND WITH A SHORT-TERM INTERFUND LOAN PENDING RECEIPT OF APPLICABLE GRANT FUNDS. UPON RECEIPT OF TH GRANT FUNDS, THE COUNTY WILL BE CREDITED THE MONEY. THIS IS EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 2023 AND APPLIES TO GRANTED FUNDING FOR 2023 AND 2024. I MAKE THE MOTION. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. [05:46:02] >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS COURT RESOLUTION IN ORDER ESTABLISHIN FINANCIAL GUIDELINES FOR USE OF EXCESS REVENUE GENERATED OPERATIONS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS . WHEREAS ANNUAL OPERATING FUNDS AND PERIODICAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDING IS NECESSARY TO ALLOW PROPER MANAGEMENT OF THE FAIRGROUNDS COMPLEX AND WHEREAS REVENUES WILL BE GENERATED FROM ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS HELD AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, THEREFORE BE I RESOLVED AND ORDERED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY, TEXAS, THAT FOR BUDGET NEAR 2023-24, ALL EXCESS REVENU EARNINGS GENERATED FROM OPERATIONS AT THE RICHARD BORGE FAIRGROUNDS SHALL BE REINVESTED BACK INTO THE FAIRGROUNDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, FUNDING AND EXPANSION. CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS RESOLUTION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? TH MOTION PASSES. ORDER ESTABLISHING A SPECIAL REVENUE ACCOUNT FOR COUNTY FUNDS RECEIVED FROM THE SALE OF FIXED ASSETS, WHEREAS SOUND FISCAL POLICIES ARE CRUCIAL TO MAINTAI THE EXCELLENT BOND RATING AND THERE IS A NEED TO PRUDENTLY MANAGE COUNTY RESOURCES IN ORDE TO PROVIDE THE BEST PUBLIC SERVICE WITH LIMITED RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED AND ORDERED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY, TEXAS THAT FOR BUDGET NEAR 2023-24, THE COUNTY WILL MAINTAIN A SPECIAL REVENUE ACCOUNT FOR DEPOSIT OF COUNTY FUNDS RECEIVE FROM THE SALE OF FIXED ASSETS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED AND GENERA FUND MONEYS. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THIS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FIXED ASSETS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S IT. THAT IS THE END OF THAT. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE - IF WE WANTED TO GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE. I UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANY NEED FOR THAT NOW, FROM THE DISCUSSION, RIGHT? I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR BEFORE I CANCEL THAT. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. YES. DO ADJOURN, I GUESS. WE DID ALL THE VOTES WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, I GUESS? DO W HAVE ANY ADJOURNMENTS IN MEMORY I WOULD LIKE US ALL TO KEEP OUR FRIEND AND COWORKER THERESA IN OUR PRAYERS AND CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO HER FAMILY. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE SERVICES YET BUT WE'LL CONTINUE THAT. >> THE SERVICE, SHE DID SEND SOMETHING ON. >> SHE SENT SOMETHING TODAY? >> AND TWO MEMBERS OF MY STAFF LOST A GRANDPARENT. >> WE'LL KEEP THEM IN OUR PRAYERS AS WELL. >> AND THE FAMILY OF PATSY WYNN HER FAMILY BORN IN ARKANSAS [05:50:05] ARKANSAS DECEMBER 21, 1928. SHE WAS BORN AGAIN WHEN SHE RECEIVE HER SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST ON IN 1958 AND PASSED AWAY. SHE CARED FOR FIVE CHILDREN AND MANAGED THE HOME AND ALL CHILDREN ATTENDED SCHOOL. THE FAMILY RELOCATED TO CORPUS WHERE SHE RESIDED FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE. SHE'LL BE REMEMBERED FOR COMPASSION TO OTHERS AND FAITHFUL DEVOTION TO OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. IT IS VERY LARGE FAMILY AND VERY INVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND W CERTAINLY PASS ON OUR CONDOLENCES. >> VERY MUCH SEND OUR CONDOLENCES. ANYONE ELSE WHO HA ANY? >> YES, JUDGE. ELEANOR LAGER PASSED ON AUGUST 29TH, 2023. SHE WAS FROM BISHOP AND PASSED 18 DAYS BEFORE HER 101ST BIRTHDAY. HER FAMILY, FOLLOWINGER, WE ARE FORTUNATE T HAVE HER IN THE COMMUNITY. HER FAMILY IS VERY INVOLVED AND I WANT TO PASS CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES. >> VERY MUCH SO. WHAT A BLESSING. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? WE WOULD ASK YOU KEEP ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR FAMILIES IN YOUR PRAYERS, PLEASE. I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> SO * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.