Jul 23, 2025 Commissioners Court - Regular OLD

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SO THINGS LIKE THIS ARE THE REASON PRIMARILY, WHILE WE'RE REQUESTING THE CHANGES TO THIS GRANT, AS WELL AS THE SOLID WASTE REMOVAL PROGRAM BEING OUT THERE, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF SOLID WASTE IN THESE COLONIAS AND THESE PEOPLE, THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT IT, SO THEY TEND TO DUMP IT ON THE COUNTY ROADS.

AND IT'S A BIG ISSUE. SO WE'RE REQUESTING THESE CHANGES BASED ON THE FEEDBACK OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COLONIAS, THEIR NEEDS, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING OF ME, AND ALSO WHAT WE'VE PERSONALLY SEEN.

WE'D LOVE TO DO OUR BEST JOB TO ASSIST THESE PEOPLE AND HELP THE MOST PEOPLE THAT WE CAN THROUGH THIS GRANT.

AND I FEEL THAT THESE ARE THE WAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? ANYTHING? ANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO SAY? YES. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

SO WE'LL BE BRINGING OVER A RESOLUTION FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL FOR SIGNATURES SO THEY CAN SUBMIT IT TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS SO WE CAN AMEND THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM.

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THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS FUNDING HAS BEEN DISBURSED TO COUNTIES.

IN FACT, WE'RE THE EIGHTH COUNTY IN THE STATE, THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT ALONG THE BORDER TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS FUNDING BECAUSE OF OUR DESIGNATION AS A COLONIAL SELF-HELP CENTER. ARE WE FINDING, THEN, I GUESS, DIFFERENT CHALLENGES? DUSTIN, AS YOU DESCRIBED IN YOUR OBSERVATIONS OUT IN THE COLONIAS WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ARE DIFFERENT THAN, SAY, CAMERON COUNTY OR HIDALGO COUNTY OR OR WEBB COUNTY? THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THREE BIGGEST WELL KNOWN WELL-KNOWN COLONIAL SELF-HELP CENTERS IN THE STATE.

SO HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES YOUR OBSERVATIONS DIFFER FROM THEM? I KNOW YOU ALL ONLY OPERATE, I THINK MAYBE IN CAMEROON AND WITH US, BUT BECAUSE THOSE THOSE ISSUES ARE CONCERNING AND I APPRECIATE WANTING TO ADJUST FOR OUR NEEDS. BUT ARE THERE OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS AND HAVE MAYBE TAKEN A DIFFERENT APPROACH OR, OR A DIFFERENT STRATEGY THAT HAS MAYBE HELPED MITIGATE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS? SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT, AND I'LL KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AS WELL.

SO I DO KNOW THAT IN CAMEROON AND WILLACY, WE DID RUN THE SAME SOLID WASTE REMOVAL PROGRAM AND IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS DOWN THERE.

SO THAT WAS AN IDEA THAT WE CAME UP WITH BASED ON THE NEEDS DOWN HERE, BUT ALSO HAVING PREVIOUSLY ADMINISTERED A SIMILAR SERVICE.

AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN HELP OUT, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW PEOPLE IN THE COLONIAL WITH THE NEED THAT IS IS THERE NOW WITH THE THE RECONSTRUCTION TO TO REHABILITATION, AS WE CALL IT, WITH THE HOUSES.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COASTAL BEND AREA BEING, BEING FROM HERE BORN AND RAISED.

SO YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE NEEDS HERE. AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S IN RELATION TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF WINDSTORMS AND THINGS LATELY.

SO ROOFS HAVE BECOME A BIG ISSUE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONDITIONS OF OUR WEATHER THAT THAT WE HAVE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MORE SEVERE EVENTS, REHAB IS A MORE PRESSING CONCERN FOR THE COLONIAL RESIDENTS HERE, MAYBE THAN RECONSTRUCTION IN THE COLONIAS ALONG THE BORDER.

OKAY. SO I GUESS IN THE MEANTIME, BETWEEN NOW WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK TO COURT, I'LL MAYBE VISIT WITH YOU.

IF NOT, AT LEAST WITH ANNA. AND WE'LL WE'LL TALK MORE AS FAR AS STRATEGY OR JUST, YOU KNOW, DO WE PROCEED? AND IS THIS THE BEST ROUTE? I KNOW, I TRUST YOUR OBSERVATIONS.

I JUST I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, WORKED THROUGH THESE ISSUES, AND WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OUR COLONIALISTS ARE NOT AS ORGANIZED.

NOT AS CENTRALIZED AS YOU FIND IN OTHER COUNTIES.

RIGHT THERE, THERE ARE HUBS. THERE ARE SMALL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALL GATHERED, OURS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YES, THEY ARE TINY NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES, BUT THEY'RE VERY DECENTRALIZED.

I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP IN WESTERN NUECES COUNTY AND THEY ARE JUST VERY SPORADIC THROUGHOUT THAT MAP, SO OURS COMPARED TO, SAY, GOING TO WEBER COUNTY WE WOULD HAVE SAY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIVING IN ONE AREA, WHEREAS OURS HAVE MAYBE 100. IF YOU'RE LUCKY.

YES. AND THAT'S 100 PEOPLE, NOT 100 FAMILIES.

SO THERE'S THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE FACE COMPARED TO OTHERS.

SO I I'LL TALK MORE OFFLINE WITH YOU ALL ON THIS.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU SIR. GOOD.

GO AHEAD. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH. SO CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE HOW YOU IMPLEMENTED THE SOLID WASTE PROGRAM WITH THAT CONSISTED OF? YES, SIR. I WASN'T THE ONE THAT ADMINISTERED THE SOLID WASTE PROGRAM, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE PARTNERED WITH REPUBLIC SERVICES DOWN THERE, AND THEY REMOVED THEY DID A STREET BY STREET.

WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT ALL THE STREETS AND THE RESIDENCES WITHIN OUR COLONIAS, AND WE GO HOUSE BY HOUSE.

WE SEND OUT FLIERS A FEW DAYS PRIOR IN ORDER TO INFORM THE RESIDENTS THAT THERE IS A SOLID WASTE REMOVAL COMING THROUGH, AND IT OPERATES MUCH LIKE HOW THE CITY OPERATES.

OUR YOU KNOW SOLID DEBRIS AND THE THE BRUSH PILE REMOVAL WHERE WE HAVE A GRAPPLE TRUCK AND, YOU KNOW, THEY LOAD THOSE INTO SEPARATE TRUCKS AND TAKE THOSE TO THE LANDFILL.

SO THE PROGRAM WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

AND THIS WAS JUST A THIS WAS JUST A ONE TIME EVENT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU YOU DO ON A COMMISSIONER THIS THIS HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

SO HE'S GOING TO BE WORKING WITH OUR FRONTIER SERVICES.

THEY'VE PUT OUT A BID FOR CONTRACT COMPANIES RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS WILL EVENTUALLY COME TO FRUITION. WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU AND TELL YOU THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HIT.

THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP. WE'LL PROBABLY GET YOU TO THE COMMISSIONERS IN THOSE AREAS TO PUT OUT FLIERS THAT SAYS, HEY, THESE ARE WHEN THEY'RE COMING THROUGH. WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT AS I SAID, THIS IS SORT OF A ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, HIT AT THE PROBLEM.

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AND, AND I GUESS WE STILL DO THIS THE SAME WAY WE GO OUT.

WE SERVE AS THE SORT OF THE FIDUCIARY AGENT FOR GOING OUT FOR BID EVERY THREE YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE THE GARBAGE PICKUP IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY. BUT NOT EVERYBODY SUBSCRIBES TO THAT.

AND SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE FOR A RESOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM. AND MAYBE WE CAN WORK WITH. PARTNERS HERE.

WE? THE COURT, I BELIEVE, IS NOT CHOSEN TO DO THIS, BUT WE STARTED THE PROGRAM BACK WHEN THE COUNTY WAS ACTUALLY DOING THIS.

ALWAYS PICK UP. I USED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THAT.

SO WE COULD ACTUALLY MANDATE THAT EVERYBODY JOINS THE SERVICE.

BUT THAT'S AGAIN, IT'S A BIG LOGISTICAL THING AND WE DON'T WANT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

SURE. BECAUSE THOSE THAT DO TAKE THE SERVICE, THEY PAY FOR THAT SERVICE.

WE JUST SERVE IT. YEAH. THE PROBLEM IS, IS WE'RE AS A COUNTY, WE'RE SPENDING ON A YEAR IN, YEAR OUT BASIS. AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THIS WEEK WE EXPEND A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY GOING OUT AND PICKING UP TRASH OUT OF OUR COUNTY DITCHES AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO IT'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN SPECIFIC AREAS.

SO AND WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES THAT UTILIZE OUR COUNTY ROADS AS THEIR DUMP SITE AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO ANYWAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INFORMATION, COMMISSIONER MORRIS.

ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING, THIS IS I'LL LET ANNA SPEAK TO IT.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN AWARDED THIS CONTRACT.

NUECES COUNTY WAS ADDED ON TO THE LIST OF THE THE LOCATIONS THAT CAN SERVE A SELF-HELP CENTER.

AND SO THIS GRANT WILL BE ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.

THAT IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MOVE SOME OF THESE MONIES TO DEBRIS REMOVAL, WHICH IS $20,000.

IF IT'S A GREAT SUCCESS. WHEN WE APPLY FOR THE NEXT ROUND, WE CAN ADD MORE MONEY OR WHATEVER THE NEED IS.

SO WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WHAT IS THE GREATEST NEED OF THE COLONIALS AND WHAT WHICH FIVE COLONIAS WILL BE SELECTED? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY SERVICING BLUEBONNET, CINDY, CINDY, PARK RANCH, AND JAYLEN. GOSH. AND WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND ALL THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER OF 26. IS THAT CORRECT? PARDON ME.

I'M SORRY. WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND ALL THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED, ALLOCATED BY THE STATE BY THIS DECEMBER 26TH DEADLINE.

YES, SIR. IT'S $500,000. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE RECONSTRUCTION TO REHABILITATION, WHICH WILL PROBABLY MAKE IT MOVE A LOT FASTER THAN RECONSTRUCTION.

AND SINCE THE MILITARY IS HERE, THE MARINE CORPS IS HELPING US DO OUR PART.

THEY'RE DOING THEIR TRAINING, AND WE'RE DOING THE COLONIAL SURVEYS.

WE'RE ASKING THEM WHAT IS THE GREATEST OR WHAT? WHAT IS THE GREATEST NEED THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED THEIR ATTENTION TO? SO WE'LL BRING ALL THAT TO YOU AS WELL. IF WE HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE REPURPOSED TO HELP FUND THE ERT FOR MAYBE NEXT SUMMER. SINCE WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER SUMMER BEFORE THIS EXPIRES.

ONE. YOU KNOW, I SAID IT'S PERFORMED VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

I MEAN YOU KNOW, ONE TOSSING SEVERAL TIMES ON THIS ITEM TO GET THIS DESIGNATION.

IT'S WORTH IT. WE STUMBLED AS A IN THE BEGINNING AS A COUNTY TO GET EXACTLY WHAT THE PURPOSE WAS.

MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS AS WE BRING IT UP LATER, AND I KNOW THAT'S MORE NOT THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT JUST WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN OVERLAP. AND I THINK THAT MOST OF THE PROGRAMS AND FUNDINGS IN OTHER COUNTIES HAVE AN OVERLAP.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WITHOUT A PERIOD OF TIME IF WE GET RENEWED FOR MORE FUNDING.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO US OR WILL THIS BE A SEAMLESS PROCESS? IT MAY BE YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT BETWEEN NOW AND CONSENT ITEM.

L YOU CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER TO THAT UNLESS YOU KNOW NOW.

YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISS OUT.

BECAUSE IF THIS EXPIRES DECEMBER 1ST, 2026. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THE LEGISLATURE, OTHER THAN THE SPECIAL COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, WON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY OF 2027. SO FOR THEM TO VOTE OR TO ALLOCATE.

SO MAYBE THE DEPARTMENT HAS THESE FUNDS AND THEY CAN JUST DISTRIBUTE IT DURING NON SESSION TIME.

BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE MY CONCERN. SO IF MAYBE IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND TRY TO GET AN ANSWER. YES SIR.

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AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

IT IS 921 AND MOVING TO OUR REGULAR MEETING. I HAVE ASKED, ARE THEY SAYING THEY CAN'T? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT TOO. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S RIGHT. BUT YEAH, OKAY.

WE'RE GETTING MESSAGES THAT THERE'S TROUBLE WITH THE ZOOM.

NO WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S ZOOM. NO VIDEO SHOWING.

SO PEYTON OR SOMEONE, IF Y'ALL CAN GO CHECK WITH IT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM F, ADOPT THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND ORDERS.

[1. Resolution in recognition of Texas State Aquarium's 35th Anniversary.]

AND I SEE PEYTON IS GOING TO READ THAT RESOLUTION FIRST FOR US, WHEREAS THE NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT TAKES SPECIAL NOTICE AND ACKNOWLEDGES THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM FOR 35 YEARS OF OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS AND LASTING IMPACT TO TOURISM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WORKFORCE TRAINING, AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION.

AND WHEREAS, THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM IS A PRIVATE 501 C3 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION AND THE OFFICIAL AQUARIUM OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND HAS BEEN NAMED NUMBER THREE BEST AQUARIUM IN NORTH AMERICA BY USA TODAY.

AND WHEREAS, SINCE 1990, THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM HAS GROWN INTO ONE OF THE PREMIER AQUARIUMS IN THE US AND NOW OPERATES THE COUNTRY'S LEADING AND LARGEST WILDLIFE RESCUE AND MOST ADVANCED WILDLIFE DISASTER RESPONSE CENTER.

AND WHEREAS, TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM'S CENTER FOR WILDLIFE RESCUE HAS PLAYED A PIVOTAL ROLE, PLAYED A PIVOTAL ROLE IN CONSERVATION EFFORTS, SUCCESSFULLY RETURNING OVER 5000 ANIMALS, INCLUDING 4000 SEA TURTLES, TO THEIR NATURAL TEXAS HABITATS, REINFORCING THE STATE'S COMMITMENT TO WILDLIFE PRESERVATION, AND WHEREAS TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM ESTABLISHED THE NATION'S ONLY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER DEDICATED TO WILDLIFE DISASTERS, OPERATING AS A COOPERATIVE EFFORT AMONG MULTIPLE STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES TO MONITOR AND MANAGE EMERGENCY WILDLIFE RESPONSE ACTIVITIES IN TEXAS AND ALONG THE TEXAS GULF COAST. AND NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM THE YEAR OF 2025 AS TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM'S 35TH ANNIVERSARY IN NUECES COUNTY, AND URGES ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN US IN CONGRATULATING THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM AND CELEBRATING THEIR 35TH ANNIVERSARY, DULY ADOPTED BY THE VOTE OF COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY, TEXAS, ON THIS 23RD DAY OF JULY, 2025. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. SO MOVED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, AND I THINK. ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK.

OR SO I HAD. I'M SORRY I HAD JENNIFER DOWN DANN, SO THAT'S OKAY.

I KNOW WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM HERE TOO.

YES. WELL, WELL THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE SCOTT.

WE APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION. IT'S BEEN AN INCREDIBLE 35 YEARS TO TO WATCH THIS ORGANIZATION GROW INTO NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC AQUARIUM, IT IS AN EDUCATION CENTER, BUT REALLY THE WILDLIFE RESCUE MISSION OF WHAT THE AQUARIUM IS DOING.

THE RESCUE CENTER NOW AT THE TIP OF THE SPEAR FOR THE UNITED STATES.

AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. COMMISSIONER LEE AND OUR BOARD AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL.

SO IT'S BEEN AN INCREDIBLE 35 YEARS WHEN YOU HEAR THAT.

IT KIND OF YEAH, IT'S IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING COUPLE OF YEARS AND A LOT OF WORK GOING ON.

BUT WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PLANS IN PLACE THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO NOT ONLY EXPAND THE AQUARIUM, BUT REALLY EXPAND THE WILDLIFE RESCUE COMPONENT OF WHAT WE DO AND MAKE THIS THE PREMIER LOCATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO THANK YOU. DON'T LEAVE YET. I'M SURE WE ALL HAVE SOME GREAT COMMENTS TO SAY ABOUT THAT THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT.

COMMISSIONER YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JUDGE.

YEAH. YOU KNOW ONE OF THE FUN THINGS I GET TO DO IS SERVE ON THE BOARD OF THE AQUARIUM.

IT'S IT REALLY IS A PLEASURE. AND TO THE NUMBER OF YEARS I'VE BEEN THERE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE'VE GROWN AND AND THE CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, WHICH HAVE ALL BEEN VERY POSITIVE.

AND THESE FOLKS WORK REALLY HARD AT MAKING THE AQUARIUM A GREAT SUCCESS.

AND IT'S JUST AN AMAZING FACILITY. THE RESCUE FACILITY IS STATE OF THE ART.

AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I ENJOY BEING A PART OF THAT.

[00:20:01]

AND BECAUSE OF THE WORK YOU DID, A NUMBER OF SEA TURTLES WERE SAVED.

AND THAT'S ALWAYS A GREAT THING. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE HARD WORK YOU PUT INTO MAKING THAT PLACE A SUCCESS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR.. APPRECIATE THAT. I THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING WITH JUDGE SCOTT AND HER TEAM AS WE PREPARED FOR HOST COURT LAST MONTH FOR OUR OUR COUNTY JUDGE, COUNTY COMMISSIONER CONFERENCE.

I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I BECAUSE OF THE BRIDGE.

I HADN'T GOTTEN DOWN TO NORTH BEACH AS MUCH AS I NORMALLY WOULD.

RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT BROUGHT ME TO OUT TO THE EVENT IN EARLY JUNE, AND I HADN'T REALLY SEEN IT LIT UP.

RIGHT. I HADN'T REALLY GOTTEN DOWN TO STREET LEVEL, AND I WAS AMAZED.

I WAS TELLING MY WIFE, OH MY GOSH, LOOK HOW GREAT IT LOOKS.

THERE'S A THERE'S A SEA HOSPITAL, YOU KNOW, ANIMAL SEA LIFE ANIMAL HOSPITAL RIGHT HERE.

ALL THESE THINGS TO CHAMPION AND BE PROUD OF AND TO HAVE IT ALL IN ONE LOCATION.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT. BECOMING A THE PREMIER NAME IN THE COUNTRY.

I KNOW YOU'VE ALL HAD SOME RECENT DESIGNATIONS AS WELL THAT THAT HAVE THAT THE AQUARIUM HASN'T HAD BEFORE.

SO ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE JUST REALLY SHOWCASING WHY WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT POOL OF PEOPLE.

TOURISTS THAT COME TO NORTH BEACH ESPECIALLY, AND OF COURSE TO THE AQUARIUM.

AND THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO OUT THERE. AND SO I JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE GREAT PLANS AND BE EXCITED TO SEE THEM ONCE THEY'RE UNVEILED.

BUT THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SHOWPIECE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE BRAG ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY IS THE AQUARIUM.

AND AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY IN A WHILE, GO.

BECAUSE I HAD BEEN IN A COUPLE OF YEARS FOR ME. AND SO WHEN I WENT, IT WAS LIKE GOING BRAND NEW ALL OVER AGAIN.

SO I REALLY ENJOYED IT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

THANK YOU. THEY'VE ALREADY MADE ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT ABSOLUTELY IT'S IT'S A GREAT PLACE.

YOUR YOUR PLANS ARE VERY EXCITING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THOSE IN THE FUTURE.

WE JUST APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO AND YOUR TEAM, HOW THEY WORKED WITH MY TEAM AND PLANNING OUR EVENT THAT EVENT, THERE WAS HUGE SUCCESS. EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT.

WE GOT SO MANY COMPLIMENTS AND EVERYTHING, SO IT IS A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO SHOWCASE SOME OF OUR STUFF THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO TOWN, MAYBE DON'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO, AND DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE PERSON THAT WASN'T TRULY AMAZED AND VERY APPRECIATIVE AND THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT EVENT TO. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. I CAN'T NOT SAY SOMETHING OR I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GUY.

EXACTLY. ALTHOUGH IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT I'LL SAY IS I'M OLD ENOUGH TO TO HAVE REMEMBERED WHEN YOU GOT THE DESIGNATION AS THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM. AND, AND YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY TAKEN IT TO NEW LEVELS AND NEW HEIGHTS.

AND IT'S REALLY AMAZING TO SEE ALL THAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.

AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THE AQUARIUM DOES AND ADDS TO THIS COMMUNITY.

SUCH A BIG, BIG PART, NOT JUST OF THE NORTH BEACH AREA, BUT OF, YOU KNOW, OF WHY PEOPLE COME TO CORPUS CHRISTI AND AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND COMMISSIONER TOUCHED ON IT. AND I WOULD BE REMISS, AND I'VE TOUCHED ON IT SEVERAL TIMES WITH YOU BEFORE, BUT THE SEA TURTLE ISSUE IS A BIG DEAL. YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THAT AND SAVING THOSE.

I JUST DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THAT MEANS TO SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT ANIMALS AND PRESERVING AND PROTECTING AND SHOWCASING AND AND THAT'S REALLY A NEAT DEAL.

BUT BUT YOU WEREN'T YOU WEREN'T CHARGED WITH SAVING SEA TURTLES.

YOU KNOW, TO START WITH. AND YOU'VE TAKEN THAT TO A NEW HEIGHT. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT WITH THAT FACILITY THAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE.

IT'S GREAT. SO AGAIN, THEY'VE SAID IT ALL, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM SO MUCH IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND HONORING IT IN JUST A SMALL WAY TODAY AND HAVING YOU HERE IS TRULY JUST A SMALL TOKEN OF OUR THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU HAVE AN OUTSTANDING BOARD AND STAFF AND AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AND THAT SEA TURTLE RELEASE THAT YOU DID WAS SUPER COOL.

I, YOU KNOW, I GOT TO GO OUT THERE AND I MENTIONED THAT BEFORE. TOLD I AM GETTING OLD. BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT IT WAS SUCH A NEAT EXPERIENCE TO GO OUT THERE AND AND DO THAT, AND HAD SOME FRIENDS OF MINE IN TOWN, AND THEY GOT TO DO IT AND BE ABLE TO CARRY THOSE TURTLES TO THE WATER.

AND IT WAS JUST IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.

WELL THANK YOU. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S UNIQUELY TEXAN TO DO THAT.

AND WE WE WE GET THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO TO WORK AND OPERATE IN A COMMUNITY THAT UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF WILDLIFE AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR TEXANS.

AND SO IT'S JUST BEEN A GREAT RIDE TO WATCH THAT, THAT PROGRAM GROW.

AND AND WE'RE NOT DONE. THERE'S A LOT TO COME.

SO. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF WE COULD GET YOU TO COME FORWARD WITH WE HAVE JUST ONE FINAL JUDGE.

AND I WORKED WITH THERESA THIS YEAR, AND WE GOT THE AQUARIUM APPROVED FOR RECEIVING OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING FROM THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

[00:25:01]

WE CAN HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT. WE APPRECIATE THAT.

EVERY BIT HELPS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AROUND HERE.

WELL, WE'LL STAY UP HERE. ARE YOU GOOD? GOOD MORNING.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD MORNING. THANKS. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING. IT'S OKAY. NOT THAT IT'S OKAY.

HOW YOU DOING? GOOD MORNING. GOOD. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MORNING. YEAH. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. STAND BY ME.

VERY GOOD. OKAY. ONE. TWO.

THREE. ONE MORE. ONE. TWO. THREE. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD. GOOD JOB FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAKE CARE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. VERY NICE.

THIS IS A FUN PART. WELL, YEAH, THIS IS A NICE PART.

YEAH. WELL DESERVED. WE DON'T GET TO DO THAT ENOUGH.

OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM G. PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A FIRST HEATHER HUBERT.

[G. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.]

THANK YOU. AND JUST TO REFRESH HER, SINCE WE CAME FROM A PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. WE CANNOT COMMENT BACK. WE CAN LISTEN.

WE CAN CLARIFY IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

BUT WE APPRECIATE IT. AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YES.

OKAY. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS HEATHER HURLBURT, AND I AM ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI.

I AM BEFORE YOU TODAY TO SPEAK ON THE REQUEST FOR THE COUNTY'S PARTICIPATION IN A NEW CHURCH OR A TAX INCREMENT FINANCING ZONE THAT WILL BE CREATED IN LONDON.

WE'VE HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH PARTNERSHIP WITH NOT ONLY THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO DEL MAR IN IMPROVING INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE CITY, STIMULATING GROWTH AND TAX INCREMENT, AND PROVIDING PUBLIC AMENITIES FOR THOSE WITHIN OUR FOUR ACTIVE CHURCHES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

IT IS A ZONE WHERE THE TAXES CREATED BY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT ZONE ARE REINVESTED BACK INTO THE ZONE.

AND SO THESE ARE IN AREAS THAT EITHER ARE IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT OR IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED AT THE TIME.

SO WHY MATTERS IN THIS AREA? THIS LAND IN THIS AREA IS PRIMARILY UNDEVELOPED AND DOES NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL INHIBIT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. THIS A LOT OF THIS AREA HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN LARGER ACRE LOTS ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS. WHAT THIS TERM WILL DO WILL ENABLE THESE LOTS AS THEY COME IN, TO BE ABLE TO BE CONNECTED INTO THE CITY SEWER SYSTEM, ALONG WITH ALLOWING FOR WATER, STORMWATER, STREETS, PARKS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THIS AREA.

THE VISION OF THIS TERM IS TO HAVE TARGETED INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS TO CATALYZE AND SUPPORT GROWTH.

ALSO MASTER PLANNING OF THIS AREA TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SMART GROWTH CONNECTED GROWTH WITH PARKS, TRAILS AND PUBLIC SPACES. NEXT IS A MAP OF THE PROPOSED BOUNDARY OF THE TERS.

AND WHY IS THIS TERS DIFFERENT? THIS. TO RECEIVE TERS FUNDING, IT MUST EXCEED THE DEVELOPMENT, MUST EXCEED THE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE, MUST BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY LIMITS AND MUST CONNECT TO CITY SEWER.

THE TAXING INDUSTRIES WILL NOT BEGIN CONTRIBUTING TO THE TERS UNTIL A PROJECT OR SUBZONE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THE LAND IS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY LIMITS.

SO THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN ALL OF OUR OTHER TOURS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

ALSO, THE DEVELOPMENTS WILL ONLY RECEIVE FUNDING FROM NEW TAX.

THE REVENUE THAT THEY GENERATE. SO WITHIN THE TOURS THERE WILL BE LARGER SUBZONES WHICH WILL BE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEY WILL ONLY RECEIVE 50% OF THE INCREMENT THAT THEY CREATE IN NEW GROWTH.

SO ANYTHING THAT IS ALREADY BEING COLLECTED DOES NOT GO INTO THE TOURS, AND IT IS ONLY OFF OF THE NEW GROWTH.

SO THE PROPOSED TERMS OF THIS TERM ARE A 25 YEAR TERMS TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPERS TO PARTICIPATE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND STILL RECEIVE 20 YEARS OF INCREMENT, AND THIS WILL BE CAPPED AT A 50% CONTRIBUTION.

UNLIKE MANY OF OUR OTHER TOURS, WHICH ARE LARGER PERCENTAGES, THE COUNTY WOULD RECEIVE 50% OF EVERY NEW DOLLAR THAT IS BEING CREATED THROUGH THE INVESTMENT IN THIS TERS. CURRENTLY, WE DO HAVE TWO SUBZONES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED OR THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED.

ONE IS FOR THE PROPER AND ONE IS FOR MIRABELLA.

MIRABELLA IS AN AMENITY BASED DEVELOPMENT OF OVER 300 ACRES WITH A PLANNED 1100 HOMES.

THE PROPERTY IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING HOUSES, RETAIL, OFFICE SPACE AND ENTERTAINMENT AND OTHER AREAS.

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NEXT UP WE HAVE ARLO MEDRANO. AM I SAYING THAT CORRECT? YES. I GUESS MY HANDWRITING WAS BAD. ARLENE MEDRANO.

THANK YOU. ARLENE MEDRANO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AND I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I HOPE TO GET ON THE AGENDA IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

I JUST WANTED TO COME TODAY. I SAW SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, AND I WANTED TO SHARE THAT OUR 17 MEMBER DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS RECENTLY PASSED A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE RENEWAL OF THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN, AND IT COMES UPTOWN UP TO TONKAWA.

AND SO WE REALLY WANTED TO. I'LL BE EMAILING THAT TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF LATER TODAY.

I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE AND REINFORCE THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL OF CORPUS CHRISTI, CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, DELMAR COLLEGE BOARD OF REGENTS, AND NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT.

IT'S AN ALLIANCE THAT HAS WORKED REALLY WELL SINCE THE CREATION OF THIS TERS ZONE.

WE HAVE, WITH THE WORK OF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND THE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, WE HAVE LEVERAGE 200 MILLION, OVER $200 MILLION WORTH OF DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN, USING $20 MILLION OF TERS FUNDING. AND SO YEAR AFTER YEAR. THERE ARE PROJECTS THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN THAT ARE SUPPORTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THROUGH TOURIST FUNDINGS. WE DO ECONOMIC GARDENING IS WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL IT.

THAT'S BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS, THAT INCLUDES LANDSCAPING, CLEANING, ETC.

AND ALL OF THAT RELIES ON THE ON THE SUPPORT AND THIS ALLIANCE BETWEEN OUR THREE MAJOR GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES IN THE CITY AND REGION, TRULY. AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WITHOUT THE COMBINED SUPPORT OF ALL ENTITIES, IT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE, AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE IN DOWNTOWN.

SO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, ARLENE. MAJOR ADAM LORENZ. GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR.

COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. MY NAME IS MAJOR LORENZ, AND I'M THE OFFICER IN CHARGE OF THE TEN MARINES THAT HAVE BEEN FROM THIRD CIVIL AFFAIRS GROUP, OUR UNIT CURRENTLY SUPPORTING THE GRANT SURVEY COLLECTION PROGRAM HERE IN NUECES COUNTY.

THE EFFORT IS ENABLED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE'S INNOVATIVE READINESS TRAINING PROGRAM.

THAT PROGRAM, WHICH WE CALL IRT PAIRS UNITS LIKE OURS WITH COMMUNITIES LIKE YOURS.

THROUGH THE PROGRAM, MILITARY UNITS HELP COMMUNITIES WHILE ALSO MEETING THEIR CRITICAL UNIT TRAINING REQUIREMENTS.

MY UNIT, THIRD CIVIL AFFAIRS GROUP, IS ONE OF ONLY THREE CIVIL AFFAIRS UNITS IN THE MARINE CORPS.

WE EXIST COMPLETELY IN THE RESERVES, AND WE ARE THE MARINES PREMIERE CAPABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO HELPING AND INCLUDING THE CIVILIAN POPULACE IN ALL MILITARY PLANNING EFFORTS FOR THE MARINE CORPS. WE COME FROM MANY MARINE CORPS SPECIALTIES AND JOBS, AND WE HAVE EVERY CIVILIAN OCCUPATION YOU CAN IMAGINE.

I'M A STAY AT HOME DAD. OUR JOB IS TO DEPLOY WITH MARINE UNITS AROUND THE WORLD, AND ADVISE COMMANDERS ON HOW BEST TO INTERACT WITH AND HELP COMMUNITIES THAT MARINE UNITS WILL MEET. WE DO THIS THROUGH USING MANY OF THE SKILLS OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH NUECES COUNTY HAS ALLOWED US TO PRACTICE.

OUR WORK ENHANCES MARINE CORPS OPERATIONAL WARFIGHTING CAPABILITIES AND HELPS SUPPORTED COMMANDERS PROTECT CIVILIANS, THEIR PROPERTY AND LIVELIHOODS. THROUGH THE ERT PROGRAM, YOUR COUNTY HAS GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRACTICE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SKILLS KEY TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR UNIT. THIS INCLUDES WORKING OUTSIDE OF OUR NATIVE LANGUAGES, CONDUCTING SURVEYS, ASSESSING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND MANAGING COLLECTED SURVEY INFORMATION.

OUR WORK HERE HAS BEEN IN SUPPORT OF YOUR GRANT PROGRAM AND WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT THAT PROGRAM STAFF HELPING US.

OUR WORK COMPLETES WORK STARTED TWO YEARS AGO BY YOUR COUNTY AND OUR UNIT.

TO DATE, WE HAVE VISITED OVER 24 COLONIAS, TALKED TO OVER 500 OF YOUR RESIDENTS, AND MADE OVER 2000 ATTEMPTS TO SURVEY.

THROUGH ALL OF THIS, WE'VE BEEN ASSISTED BY MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COMMUNITY, VOLUNTEERS AND ADMINISTRATORS FROM THE TEXAS A&M COLONIAS PROGRAM.

THROUGH THIS WORK, WE HAVE SUPPORTED YOUR GRANT PROGRAM WITH SURVEYS AND SURVEY DATA, WHICH ARE REQUIRED TO APPLY FOR GRANTS AND THAT ARE KEY TO HELPING THE RESIDENTS OF NUECES COUNTY COLONIAS. THROUGHOUT OUR TIME, WE HAVE MET WITH NOTHING BUT WARM SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE MARINES OF OUR DETACHMENT AND THIRD CIVIL, THIRD CIVIL ENGINEERS GROUP. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND RESIDENTS OF NUECES COUNTY FOR FOR ALL OF

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THANK YOU. MR. DOMINGUEZ, YOU'RE SIGNED UP ALSO.

THERE, MR. DOMINGUEZ. SINCE HE ISN'T HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT OUT THERE. IF WE COULD ASK THE MARINES TO COME UP. WE WANT TO DO A PHOTO REALLY QUICK BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME.

THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER. WE JUST WANT TO DO A PHOTO WITH THEM BEFORE THEY LEAVE TOWN.

SO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WOULD COME DOWN, PLEASE.

I'LL TAKE YOUR PICTURE. YOU GO IN. I'LL TAKE YOUR PICTURE.

I'M HERE. I LIKE THAT.

I'M. AWESOME.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THIS. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE BRING THE OTHER THINGS TO YOU.

THEY SAID. THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO GET THE REST OF THE MONEY.

SO I THINK WE'RE CLOSE. WE'RE GOOD. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE TOO.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. COOL. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM H. BOARD APPOINTMENTS. THE NUMBER ONE, THE NOISES COUNTY EMERGENCY

[1. Nueces County Emergency Service District #4]

I'M SORRY. I WAS LISTENING TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER.

I DISTRACTED. WE ARE AT 801. YOUR BOARD APPOINTMENT FOR THE NUECES COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT.

WE HAD ONE RESIGNATION, WE GOT TWO APPLICANTS.

AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT. YEAH, AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE NAME IN FRONT OF ME.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND HERE, YOUR HONOR. OKAY. KATHERINE WIMBERLY.

YES. PARDON ME EARLIER. BARBARA JONES. KATHERINE WIMBERLY I'M HERE.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT KATHERINE WIMBERLY, PLEASE.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]

WHICH MEANS FOUR, FOUR AND FIVE ON THE LIST. IT'S HALF NINE AND TEN.

OH, JUST FOUR AND FIVE. YES. OKAY. THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER PAYMENTS ON THERE.

THOSE. I'M SORRY I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU. MY BAD.

AND I'D LIKE TO PULL OUT M H H. YES. ANYTHING ELSE? THEN I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA, EXCLUDING ITEM C, NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE, AND ITEM H I. SO MOVE. WAIT, TERESA, DO YOU HAVE.

THAT'S A SECOND. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER MORRIS MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT GETTING SOME INFORMATION BEFORE DOING RIGHT.

YEAH. I'M SORRY. SO DO YOU WANT TO PULL? I MEAN, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

I CAN FOLLOW UP. OKAY. OFFLINE. I WAS JUST HOPING IF IF I HAD IT BEFOREHAND THAT SHE COULD KIND OF PRESENT IT PUBLICLY, BUT I'M SURE SHE'S PROBABLY WORKING ON IT, SO WE HAD TO GET IT SIGNED.

THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THERE. WE GOT TIME TO WORK ON IT.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, EXCLUDING ITEM C, NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE AND ITEM H.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSE.

THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ON ITEM C, NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE.

[C. Authorize payment of bills - Special Motions Regular List dated July 23, 2025.]

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SO I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO EXCLUDE THOSE TWO BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID, I GUESS.

DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? SO MOVE. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE. THEY WILL BE ON THE EARLY RELEASE CHECK THING IN THE NEXT AGENDA.

THEY'RE NOT. THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON THIS ONE. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. YES.

SO OKAY. TERESA'S LOOKING AT ME LIKE WHAT ARE YOU DOING JUDGE? SECOND, YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE WEIRD. YES, YES. THEN MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT.

[H. Authorize FY24/25 "Diabetes" contract with the American Heart Association for a $5,000 allocation by Commissioner Precinct 1, Mike Pusley.]

AS YOU WELL KNOW, THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION HERE LOCALLY WORKS VERY HARD TO RAISE FUNDS FOR PROMOTING THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEY DO THROUGH RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY.

AND ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THEY HAVE IS DIABETES EDUCATION.

BECAUSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, DIABETES IS A BIG PART OF OF YOUR HEALTH AND HEART HEALTH.

AND SO THEY WITH THIS FUNDING, THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT SOME ADDITIONAL TRAINING CLASSES AND WHATNOT FOR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH RESPECT TO DIABETES. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET THE COURT KNOW THAT.

AND. WITH THAT, I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM THREE, A ONE DISCUSSING.

[1. Discuss and consider accepting and adopting Meeting Minutes for July 9th and July 11th.]

I SO MOVE. WE HAVE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES ON THE MINUTES.

[2. Receive a presentation from Ben Kincaid, Partner with CRI Advisors, LLC, of findings to date for both the forensic audit of the Nueces County's self-insured group health fund and the County's Auditor's Office.]

WITH CREE ADVISORS ON THE FINDINGS FOR BOTH THE FORENSIC AUDIT OF THE NUECES COUNTY SELF-INSURANCE GROUP HEALTH AND THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE, AND THE COUNTY IN GENERAL. SO THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

I BELIEVE YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE BROUGHT UP ON THE SCREENS HERE OR NOT.

YES, THERE IT IS. ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, AS STATED, MY NAME IS BEN KINCAID.

I'M A PARTNER WITH CARR, RIGGS AND INGRAM, AND I LEAD THE FORENSIC ACCOUNTING PRACTICE FOR CRE.

WE WERE TASKED AS A FIRM TO ASSIST THE COUNTY WITH CERTAIN FORENSIC ACCOUNTING SERVICES, SPECIFICALLY IN RELATION TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND. IF WE CAN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO INITIALLY, WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT THIS MEETING WOULD SERVE AS OUR PRESENTATION OF THE FINAL REPORTS.

THERE WERE SOME DELAYS IN RECEIVING SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAD REQUESTED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF OUR WORK.

THAT INFORMATION WAS RECEIVED LAST WEEK, SO WE NOW ANTICIPATE ON PROVIDING THE DRAFT REPORTS TO THE COUNTY THE FIRST FULL WEEK IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.

AND ONCE THOSE DRAFT REPORTS WILL BE RECEIVED, THERE WILL BE TWO SEPARATE REPORTS, ONE THAT COVERS THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND SPECIFICALLY AND THEN THE OTHER THAT WILL COVER THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNTY.

WITHIN THOSE REPORTS, YOU'LL FIND THAT WE'LL HAVE A DETAILED FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'LL ALSO INCLUDE, AS PART OF THE FINAL REPORT THAT WILL BE AGAIN PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION.

MANAGEMENT RESPONSES IN RELATION TO OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND ANY ACTIONS THAT MANAGEMENT MAY TAKE IN RELATION TO THOSE.

TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING OUR PRELIMINARY FINDINGS BASED OFF OF THE RESULTS OF OUR PROCEDURES TO DATE.

THERE ARE MORE FINDINGS THAN WHAT WE WILL BE PRESENTING HERE TODAY.

BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MAJOR FINDINGS AND GIVING A VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.

SO IF WE CAN ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE, COULD I JUST INTERRUPT YOU ONE SECOND? YES. IF I COULD JUST. COULD COULD WE. FOR THE RECORD STATE WHAT PERIOD OF TIME THIS AUDIT COVERS.

YES, SIR. FOR BOTH THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND AS WELL AS THE OVERALL COUNTY WE WERE LOOKING AT FROM FISCAL YEAR 2020 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR

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OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. AND JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE AS WELL, AND ANY OTHER ELECTEDS OR ANYBODY WATCHING, THEY WILL BE COMING BACK ONCE THEY DO THEIR FINAL REPORT WITH SUGGESTIONS.

WE HAVE ALSO PLANNED TO HAVE THEM HERE FOR A DAY, FOR ANY ELECTEDS OR DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT WANT TO MEET WITH THEM DIRECTLY AND AND HEAR MORE IN DEPTH THAN ABOUT THE AUDIT AND, AND CHANGES THEIR SUGGESTIONS FOR US TO DO IN THE FUTURE TO HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THIS. ABSOLUTELY. SO FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND AND THE PRELIMINARY FINDINGS THERE.

SO IF WE CAN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, WHY ARE WE HERE TODAY.

THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND IS REALLY A SUBSET OF THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND WITHIN THE COUNTY.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT THE EMPLOYEES MAY CHOOSE FROM, WHETHER THAT BE A EPO PLAN OR A PPO PLAN. THE COUNTY ALSO EMPLOYS A STOP GAP COVERAGE FOR ANY HIGH MEDICAL CLAIMS THAT MAY BE PROCESSED BY THE COUNTY. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN DEFICITS WITHIN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND THAT CREATED CONCERNS.

THERE WERE ALSO SOME CONCERNS RELATED TO LOANS THAT WERE BEING PROVIDED FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, AS WELL AS VARIOUS TRANSFERS AMONGST THE FUNDS.

THERE WAS ALSO SOME CHANGES IN THE PAY SCHEDULE, DEDUCTIONS FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE, AND RELATED BENEFITS WHERE THE NORMAL PAY SCHEDULE, THERE'S 24 PAY PERIODS, WHERE THERE'S HEALTH INSURANCE DEDUCTIONS, AND IN FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2024, THAT WAS CHANGED FOR TO 23 PAY PERIODS. AND SO THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE EFFECTS THAT THAT CHANGE HAD.

SO IF WE CAN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO IN RELATION TO THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE HAD PROPOSED ON, WE DEVELOPED VARIOUS PROCEDURES TO ANALYZE IN RELATION TO THOSE CONCERNS IN RELATION TO THE SCOPE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US.

WE CONDUCTED VARIOUS INTERVIEWS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

WE ALSO ANALYZED VARIOUS FINANCIAL RECORDS FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND FOR COMPLETENESS AND ACCURACY.

SEE, WE LOOKED AT THE SOURCES AND USES OF THE FUNDS THAT WERE TRANSFERRED TO OFFSET THE LOSSES WITHIN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.

WE DID ANALYZE THE PAY SCHEDULE CHANGE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, AS WELL AS ANALYZING THE PROCUREMENT OF VARIOUS AGREEMENTS THAT WERE PROCESSED UNDERNEATH AND RELATED TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND. AND THEN FINALLY, WE LOOKED AT DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY'S INTERNAL CONTROLS WERE OVERRIDDEN IN RESPECT TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND. IF WE CAN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

ON THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL FIND A TABLE REFLECTING FOR OUR REVIEW PERIOD AGAIN FROM FISCAL YEAR 2020 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2024.

A PRESENTATION OF THE REVENUES AS PRESENTED ON THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT DURING OUR FIVE YEAR REVIEW PERIOD, THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY $83.6 MILLION IN REVENUES THAT WERE RECEIVED BY THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND. THOSE REVENUES ARE CORRECT, BUT THEY ARE ALSO A LITTLE DECEIVING IN THE FACT THAT THEIR DOES NOT REFLECT THE TRUE REALITY OF THE COUNTY'S CONTRIBUTIONS AND EMPLOYEES CONTRIBUTIONS.

WHAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THOSE REVENUES, AND IS PROPER FOR FINANCIAL STATEMENT PURPOSES, IS THE ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT THE COUNTY HAS CONTRIBUTED OVER THE YEARS TO HELP COVER THE DEFICITS, AND SO IT OBSCURES TO SOME DEGREE THE THE TRUE REALITY OF THE FUND PERFORMANCE.

SO IN THE NEXT COLUMN, YOU'LL SEE REVENUES LESS TRANSFERS.

AND WHAT THAT REPRESENTS IS WELL TERM HERE AS ADJUSTED REVENUES TO REFLECT PURELY THE EMPLOYER AND EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS.

AND THE RELATED ANCILLARY REVENUES TO AGAIN REFLECT A MORE TRUE REALITY OF THE REVENUES THAT THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND HAS BEEN GENERATING DURING THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD. SO YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU COMPARE THE ADJUSTED REVENUES OF $74 MILLION DURING THE REVIEW PERIOD TO THE EXPENDITURES OF $84 MILLION DURING THE SAME REVIEW PERIOD, THERE'S BEEN A DEFICIT OF JUST SHY OF $10.1 MILLION IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, AND THAT HAS BEEN PRIMARILY BEEN CAUGHT UP IN RELATION TO ADDITIONAL ACCOUNTING CONTRIBUTIONS INTO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND TO COVER THOSE LOSSES.

IF WE CAN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, HERE'S A REPRESENTATION OF THAT SAME DATA ON A GRAPH THAT REFLECTS IN EVERY SINGLE YEAR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ADJUSTED REVENUES IN COMPARISON TO THE EXPENDITURES, THAT, AT LEAST FOR OUR REVIEW PERIOD, THAT THE EXPENDITURES EXCEEDED THE ADJUSTED REVENUES.

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HERE'S A TABLE THAT REPRESENTS, AGAIN, THE ADJUSTED REVENUES FOR FISCAL YEARS 2020 THROUGH 2024.

YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM FISCAL YEAR 2020 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2023, THERE WAS FAIRLY MINIMAL INCREASES IN REVENUE DURING THOSE YEARS.

THOSE REVENUES PRIMARILY RELATED TO REFUNDS OR CHANGES IN THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS IN THE PLAN.

SO AS EMPLOYEES CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN CERTAIN FUNDS AND THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTES FUNDS TO THOSE AND THOSE EMPLOYEES LEAVE OR COME ON BOARD, THE REVENUES FLUCTUATE ALONG THOSE LINES. IN FISCAL YEAR 2024, THE REVENUES DID SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE BY 33%.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT INCREASE WAS RELATED TO THE STOP GAP COVERAGE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, FOR SOME HIGH MEDICAL CLAIMS THAT WERE PROCESSED TO HELP OFFSET THOSE LOSSES.

THE EXPENDITURES DURING THIS TIME PERIOD ROSE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT THE REVENUES WERE.

SO AS TIME HAS PROGRESSED, THE EXPENDITURES HAVE CONTINUED TO INCREASE WITHOUT A CORRESPONDING INCREASE IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE REVENUES.

OUT OF THE FIVE YEARS WITHIN OUR REVIEW PERIOD, THERE IS ONLY ONE YEAR WHERE THE COUNTY ELECTED TO INCREASE BOTH THE EMPLOYER AND THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, WHICH IN PART CONTRIBUTED TO THE LOSSES THAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE.

THAT THERE WAS NOT A COMPARABLE INCREASE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PREMIUM INCREASE THERE IN THE LAST COLUMN THAT REPRESENTS SOLELY THE COUNTY'S EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION DOES NOT REPRESENT THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS DEPENDING UPON THE EMPLOYEE PLAN.

IN SOME CASES, IF YOU WERE A MEMBER OF THE EPO PLAN, THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE EMPLOYEES DID NOT INCREASE AT ALL.

AND SO SOME EMPLOYEES SAW NO INCREASE DURING THIS ENTIRE TIME PERIOD.

IF WE COMPARE THAT TO SURROUNDING TEXAS COUNTIES THAT ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE, THE COUNTY, WHEN LOOKING AT THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS OR THE EMPLOYEE PREMIUMS, THE COUNTY NUECES COUNTIES AND PREMIUMS ARE AT THE LOW SIDE OF WHAT WE SEE FROM SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND COMPARABLE COUNTIES THAT HAVE SELF-INSURANCE FUNDS. CONVERSELY THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTIONS INTO THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND, THE COUNTY'S PREMIUMS ARE AT THE HIGH SIDE IN COMPARISON TO THE SURROUNDING COMPARABLE COUNTIES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE MEDICAL COSTS HAVE OBVIOUSLY INCREASED NATIONWIDE.

HEALTH INSURANCE HAS INCREASED AS WELL IN RELATION TO THOSE INCREASED MEDICAL COSTS.

THERE IS A SURVEY PUT OUT IN 2024 BY THE KAISER FAMILY FOUNDATION THAT SHOWED PREMIUMS FROM THE EMPLOYERS INCREASED FOR HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BY 24%. YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE HIGHEST AMOUNT FOR THE COUNTY, AT 19.16%, IS STILL WELL BELOW WHAT THE EMPLOYERS AS A WHOLE HAVE INCREASED THEIR PREMIUMS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S AT THE HIGHEST POINT, NOT THE AVERAGE POINT.

EMPLOYEE PREMIUMS NATIONWIDE HAVE INCREASED APPROXIMATELY 5% DURING THE SAME TIME PERIOD.

AND AGAIN, IN SOME CASES, NUECES COUNTY EMPLOYEES DID NOT RECEIVE ANY INCREASE IN THEIR PREMIUMS DEPENDING UPON THE PLAN THAT THEY REMEMBER OF.

ALL OF THIS HAS, IN PART, CONTRIBUTED TO THE LOSSES AND THE DEFICIT THAT THE FUND HAS EXPERIENCED.

IF WE CAN ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE. HERE IS A OVERVIEW OF THE AGAIN, THE PRIMARY MAJOR FINDINGS WITHIN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND. NUMBER ONE, THERE WAS A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY OF THE FINANCIAL STATUS AND THE FUND PERFORMANCE BY THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. WHAT WAS PRIMARILY BEING PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WAS THE FUND BALANCE, WHICH, WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND INTO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND THAT WAS OBSCURING THE TRUE FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE AND TRUE FUND BALANCES OF WHAT WAS OCCURRING. CAN I CAN I JUST FOR A SECOND, I THINK IT'S REALLY FAIR TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS THE PRIOR COUNTY AUDITOR, NOT THE CURRENT COUNTY AUDITOR. YES, SIR.

STARTED. AND PART OF THE REASONS WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT HAD CONCERNS OVER, AND WE SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BRING YOU IN TO DO THIS INDEPENDENT FORENSIC AUDIT.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE CURRENT COUNTY AUDITOR.

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THE BOARD OF JUDGES TOOK GREAT STEPS IN MOVING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD REPORTED.

AND SO IT IS A NEW DAY AT NUECES COUNTY, AND WE ARE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THESE.

BUT AGAIN, FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR, NOT CURRENT COUNTY AUDITOR.

YES, YES. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. YES, SIR. AND YOU MIGHT AS YOU'RE MAKING PRESENTATION.

I KNOW IT SOUNDS REPETITIVE, BUT YOU MIGHT SAY THAT MOVING FORWARD, IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT TAKES PEOPLE, ME INCLUDED, THREE TIMES BEFORE YOU HEAR IT.

SO I SOMETIMES I SAY IT THREE TIMES. IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M SENILE. MAYBE MY WIFE THINKS I'M.

BUT I'M NOT. BUT BUT STILL BEING BEING SERIOUS.

I MEAN, PLEASE POINT THAT OUT AS YOU'RE GOING FORWARD IN THIS, TOO.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THERE WAS ALSO A LACK OF APPROPRIATE FORECASTING BY THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR IN RELATION TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.

AS YOU COULD SEE BY THE PREVIOUS TABLES, THAT COSTS HAVE INCREASED WITHIN NUECES COUNTY.

THE COSTS HAVE INCREASED NATIONWIDE AND THE COUNTY HAS NOT BEEN IMMUNE TO THAT.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT HAD BEEN PRESENTED WAS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS COURT TO TO MAKE ACCURATE AND RELIABLE FINANCIAL DECISIONS IN RELATION TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND. THE EMPLOYEE EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS, AS I MENTIONED, HAVE NOT INCREASED EXCEPT FOR ONE YEAR OUT OF THE FIVE YEAR REVIEW PERIOD IN RELATION TO THAT. I ALSO SAY, AS THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTES FOR TO THOSE DEFICITS, THERE ARE OTHER DISTRICTS, OTHER INTERNAL GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS THAT PARTICIPATE WITHIN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.

AND WHEN THE COUNTY DOES NOT INCREASE THE PREMIUMS, THEY DO NOT SHARE WITH THE COVERING THE FUND DEFICITS THAT THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND HAS GENERATED. THERE WAS A AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, A CHANGE IN THE PAY SCHEDULE BY THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE. THERE WAS HISTORICALLY THE NUECES COUNTY, AS MOST ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BIWEEKLY PAYROLL. THEY DEDUCT THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND RELATED BENEFITS ON 24 OUT OF THOSE 26 PAY PERIODS.

SO EVERY MONTH THERE'S TWO DEDUCTIONS THAT OCCUR DURING THAT PROCESS AND THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2024.

THAT CHANGED AS A CATCH UP TO FROM 24 PAY PERIODS TO 23.

THE BASIS BEHIND THAT, AND THE INTENTION BEHIND THAT FROM THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S PERSPECTIVE, WAS GOOD. THE ACTUALITY WAS A LITTLE BIT NEGATIVE IN TERMS OF THE COUNTY HISTORICALLY HAS OPERATED WHERE THE EMPLOYEES ARE FROM A CASH FLOW PERSPECTIVE, ARE CONTRIBUTING ONE PAY PERIOD IN ADVANCE TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS. AND SO THERE IS A ONE PAY PERIOD, AGAIN, FROM A CASHFLOW PERSPECTIVE, ONE PAY PERIOD. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A LOAN OR ADVANCE REVENUE THAT IS BEING RECEIVED, DEFERRED REVENUE THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED ON THE BOOKS. THE COUNTY HAS NOT REFLECTED THAT ON THE BOOKS THE COUNTY HAS.

AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE UNDERNEATH. THE FORMER AUDITOR HAS PRIMARILY KEPT THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUNDS ON A CASH BASIS OF ACCOUNTING FOR THE REVENUES VERSUS AN ACCRUAL BASIS OF ACCOUNTING. AND SO WHEN THAT CHANGE OCCURRED FROM AN ACCRUAL PERSPECTIVE, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO LOSS, BECAUSE THAT ONE PAY PERIOD THAT WAS ADJUSTED WAS ESSENTIALLY REFUNDING ADVANCE PREMIUMS THAT WERE PREPAID AND ESSENTIALLY BY EMPLOYEES AND BY THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY IS ACTUALLY, FROM AN ACCRUAL PERSPECTIVE, HISTORICALLY BEEN COLLECTING TWO PAY PERIODS IN ADVANCE. AND SO CURRENTLY, EVEN AFTER THIS CHANGE, THE COUNTY STILL IS COLLECTING ONE PAY PERIOD IN ADVANCE FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS, BOTH THE EMPLOYER AND THE EMPLOYEE PORTION.

AND SO THERE WOULD BE TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, ANOTHER ADJUSTMENT OF 3 TO $400,000 TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, WHICH MEANS THAT THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND IS OVERSTATED BY 3 TO $400,000.

CURRENTLY, BECAUSE THE BOOKS HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINED AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN BY THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR.

DURING OUR REVIEW PERIOD, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE LOANS AND TRANSFERS AND COMPARED THOSE TO WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT HAD APPROVED.

WE IDENTIFIED $3.75 MILLION IN LOANS AND TRANSFERS THAT WERE NOT BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, AND WERE NOT MADE AWARE BY THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR.

THE CONTRACTS THAT WERE PROCURED DURING OUR REVIEW PERIOD THERE WAS, IN CASE OF TWO EVALUATORS,

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SO THERE WAS A LACK OF CLARITY ON HOW THE EVALUATORS REACHED THE DECISION THAT THEY MADE BASED OFF THE DOCUMENTATION TO US.

WE CAN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE WILL BEGIN TALKING ABOUT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE IN RELATION TO THE RESULTS OF OUR FORENSIC PROCEDURES. IF WE CAN ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE.

AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND HERE. THIS IS IN RELATION TO ALL COUNTY FUNDS THAT WERE UNDERNEATH THE AUDITORS OVERSIGHT, THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR'S OVERSIGHT. AND WE WERE AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE FIVE FISCAL YEARS FROM FISCAL YEAR 2020 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2024.

THERE WERE VARIOUS ERRORS IN THE BUDGETS, AS WELL AS OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT WERE MADE AWARE TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.

THAT LED TO CONCERNS REGARDING THE ACCURACY AND RELIABILITY OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS BEING RECEIVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

THERE WAS ALSO SEVERE CHALLENGES IN RELATION TO THE COUNTY'S ERP SOFTWARE TRANSITION FROM ONE SOLUTION TO WORKDAY THAT CREATED SIGNIFICANT HURDLES FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL.

AND SO THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND AND PRECIPITOUS TO US COMING IN AND LOOKING AT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND THESE RELATED FUNDS.

IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND WE DEVELOPED BASED OFF OF THE SCOPE PROVIDED TO US VARIOUS PROCEDURES.

WE TALKED TO 35 PLUS EMPLOYEES BOTH CURRENT AND FORMER THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS TO SUPERVISORS TO LINE LEVEL EMPLOYEES TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE COUNTY'S OPERATIONS.

FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, WE ANALYZE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR COMPLETENESS AND ACCURACY.

THE BUDGETS. WE LOOKED AT THE FINANCIAL RECORDS FOR COMPLIANCE AND REGULARITIES.

WE LOOKED AT THE YEAR IN FINANCIAL PROCESSES, THE CARD AND FUEL CARD ACTIVITIES, PAYROLL, INVOICES, CONTRACTS, PROCUREMENTS, PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING FINANCIAL.

WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A SAMPLE RISK BASED SAMPLE METHODOLOGY.

IF WE CAN ADVANCE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AND AGAIN THESE ARE THE HIGH LEVEL FINDINGS.

THESE ARE NOT CONSIST OF ALL THE FINDINGS. AND THE DETAILS BEHIND EACH OF THESE WILL BE CONTAINED IN THE REPORTS THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL AGAIN.

OVERALL, WE DETERMINED THAT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE WAS OPERATING AS A SILO WITHIN THE COUNTY AND THAT AFFECTED ITS OPERATIONS AND ITS ABILITY TO SERVE AS THE AUDITOR FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS SPEAKING TO THE FORMER AUDITOR.

THERE ARE OTHER SILOED OPERATIONS, OTHER SILOED DEPARTMENTS THAT OPERATE IN A SIMILAR MANNER, MAYBE NOT TO THE SAME DEGREE AS THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, BUT CERTAINLY THAT SILOED EFFECT HAS PERMEATED DURING OUR REVIEW PERIOD IN RESPECT TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND PROCESSES THAT IMPACTED THE OPERATIONAL ABILITIES AND EFFICIENCIES WITHIN THE COUNTY, WHICH IS WHY I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT YOU COMING BACK AFTER YOU SEND US THE NEXT FUTURE PLANS TO TAKE CARE OF THESE PROBLEMS, WE HAVE TO HAVE BUY IN FROM EVERYBODY.

AND IF YOU'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THIS IS THE WHOLE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEW POLICIES THAT TAKE CARE OF THIS AND CORRECT THE PROBLEMS, WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH THE COURT AND WITH THE NEW AUDITOR'S OFFICE, WITH PURCHASING, WITH ELECTED DEPARTMENTS. IF WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO ALL BE IN THIS TOGETHER.

SO IF YOU'RE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WATCHING, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WHEN HE COMES BACK, YOU WILL MAKE ONE OF THOSE APPOINTMENTS AND SIT DOWN AND VISIT WITH HIM.

SO THANK YOU. WE ALSO DETERMINED THAT THE COUNTY HAS HAD A ELEVATED FRAUD RISK DURING OUR REVIEW PERIOD, AGAIN UNDERNEATH THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR'S TENURE.

I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THE OVERALL THE COUNTY HAS A HIGH FRAUD RISK.

THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT I WOULD CONSIDER AND WILL BE DETAILED IN THE REPORT THAT ARE HIGH, BUT FROM WHERE THE COUNTY SHOULD BE VERSUS WHERE IT IS.

IT CERTAINLY IS AT A HIGHER OR ELEVATED FRAUD RISK FROM WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT PLANNING IN ULTIMATE MANAGEMENT OF THE ERP SYSTEM CONVERSION, WHICH LED TO A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN EXPERIENCED AND STILL DEALING WITH TODAY. THERE WAS A LACK OF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, STANDARD OPERATING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, BUT THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AS WELL. POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WERE IN PLACE.

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BANK RECONCILIATIONS WERE NOT BEING PERFORMED OR ADJUSTED ON A TIMELY BASIS THROUGHOUT THE REVIEW PERIOD.

THE OLD ERP SYSTEM, ONE SOLUTION DID NOT ALLOW FOR A SYSTEM BANK RECONCILIATION.

AND SO THE BANK RECONCILIATIONS WERE BEING DONE IN A MANUAL PROCESS, ESSENTIALLY AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET.

WITH THE NEW ERP SYSTEM. THE NEW ERP SYSTEM DOES HAVE THAT FUNCTIONALITY, BUT DUE TO CONCERNS IN RELATION TO THE RELIABILITY OF THE INFORMATION WITHIN THE NEW FINANCIAL SYSTEM, THE BANK RECONCILIATIONS ARE STILL BEING PERFORMED ON A MANUAL BASIS.

THAT'S INEFFICIENT. IT'S PRONE TO ERROR, PRONE TO MANIPULATION, AND SHOULD BE MOVED AWAY FROM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THERE WAS A OVERALL LACK OF PROCUREMENT CARD OVERSIGHT DURING THE ENTIRETY OF OUR REVIEW PERIOD.

THERE WAS NO AUDITS REVIEWS OUTSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENTAL SUPERVISOR SIGNING OFF ON THE CARDS DURING THIS TIME PERIOD.

IF WE CAN ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE WAS A LACK OF WHOLESALE OVERSIGHT IN RELATION TO FUEL CARD EXPENDITURES. WE FOUND VERY MINIMAL, IF ANY, OVERSIGHT IN RELATION TO THE FUEL CARD PURCHASES.

PURCHASE ORDERS THAT ARE ISSUED BY THE COUNTY GENERALLY LACK SUFFICIENT DETAIL.

AS FAR AS THE AMOUNTS, THE QUANTITIES. THE CONTRACT DETAILS THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THOSE ITEMS. THE ONES THAT DO HAVE THOSE DESCRIPTIONS ARE NOT UTILIZED IN THE MANNER THAT THEY SHOULD BE.

AND MANY OF THEM DO NOT CONTAIN THOSE DETAILS AT ALL.

AND SO THERE'S BEEN AN IMPROPER USE OF THE PURCHASE ORDERS AND INSUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION IN RELATION TO THAT.

THERE'S BEEN INSUFFICIENT SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION FOR CERTAIN GIFT CARD PURCHASES THAT THE COUNTY PURCHASES DURING THE REVIEW PERIOD.

THE ONLY PROCUREMENT TRAINING THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES TO EMPLOYEES IS UPON THEIR INITIATION WITH THE COUNTY.

THERE IS NO REGULAR REOCCURRING PROCUREMENT TRAINING FOR UPDATES TO POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

AND SO THAT'S AN ISSUE THERE. THERE HAS BEEN NONCOMPLIANCE WITH POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, WHETHER THAT BE TRAVEL PROCUREMENT CARDS, PURCHASE ORDERS, ETC. THERE HAS BEEN THE ACCRUALS FOR PTO THAT WERE ALLOWED IN EXCESS OF THE ANNUAL CAPS. THERE IS AN ANNUAL CAP THAT IS ESTABLISHED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

IN SOME CASES, THOSE CAPS WERE NOT ADJUSTED AS REQUIRED, WHICH HAS LED TO APPROXIMATELY $150,000 IN OVER LEAVE ACCRUALS. THE COUNTY CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY TYPE OF PROCESS OR METHODOLOGY TO REPORT ANY TYPE OF FRAUD OR CONCERNS RELATED TO NONCOMPLIANCE, AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR THE COUNTY TO IMPLEMENT A FRAUD HOTLINE.

IF WE CAN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND TO GO HAND IN HAND WITH THAT THE COUNTY IMPLEMENT A REGULAR REOCCURRING FRAUD AWARENESS TRAINING.

IN MOST CASES, FRAUD IS NOT CAUGHT BY AN EXTERNAL AUDITOR.

THAT'S NOT THEIR PRIMARY PURPOSE OR ROLE. IT'S CAUGHT BY EMPLOYEES.

AND SO IF YOU BETTER EQUIP THE EMPLOYEES TO IDENTIFY THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES.

THEN THERE WILL BE A BETTER PRESENCE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY IN RELATION TO DECREASING POTENTIAL FRAUDS FROM OCCURRING.

THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY UNDER UTILIZING ITS NEW ERP SYSTEM.

THERE'S CERTAIN MODULES THAT THE COUNTY ASKED FOR AND IS PAYING FOR THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED.

I KNOW SOME OF THOSE ARE AND WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT THAT GOES BACK AND HAND IN HAND WITH THE LACK OF PROPER PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT OF THE ERP SYSTEM CONVERSION. THERE'S BEEN A SINCE FISCAL YEAR 2019.

NO RANDOM CARD REVIEWS OR AUDITS. AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO REALLY ONLY THE DEPARTMENT SUPERVISORS WHO ARE SIGNING OFF ON THE P CARD AND ARE THE ONLY REVIEW THAT'S HAPPENING. THERE'S BEEN NO OTHER OVERSIGHT IN RELATION TO THAT.

THERE HAS BEEN AN UNDER UTILIZATION OF THE INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTION WITHIN THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE.

THE INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTION REALLY DIDN'T FUNCTION AS INTERNAL AUDIT AT ALL, WITH A VERY SMALL EXCEPTION.

THERE'S BEEN INSUFFICIENT PAYMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN RELATION TO PROCESSING CERTAIN PAYMENTS, PARTICULARLY ELECTRONIC PAYMENTS THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

WE IDENTIFIED NONCOMPLIANCE WITH CERTAIN PURCHASING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR CERTAIN CONTRACTS OR PURCHASING THAT WAS BYPASSED ALTOGETHER.

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IT WAS NOT ALWAYS DONE IN A PROPER MANNER, AND A BUDGET CHANGE ORDERS BASED OFF OF UPDATED DIRECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WERE NOT ALWAYS PROCESSED IN A TIMELY MANNER, WHICH LED TO BUDGET DEFICITS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHERE THERE WERE PURCHASES THAT HAD TO BE IN CONTROLS, THAT HAD TO BE OVERRIDDEN BY THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE, BY THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR'S DIRECTION BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF BUDGET CHANGE ORDERS THAT WERE BEING PROCESSED. SO THAT IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW AND VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR PRELIMINARY FINDINGS TO DATE.

AGAIN, WE EXPECT TO PROVIDE YOU ALL THE DRAFT REPORTS THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST.

AND IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.

THAT'S THE BEST I CAN HEAR TODAY. A LOT OF QUESTIONS. EVERYBODY WILL. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S FIRST.

YES. GO AHEAD. I'M HAPPY TO DEFER TO ANYBODY ELSE.

I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO START? YES. FIRST. SORRY.

SO WILL WE GET A DETAILED ANALYSIS? PRELIMINARY? WILL WE GET A DETAILED REPORT OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU ADVISE US TO DO TO IMPLEMENT? BECAUSE THIS IS A NICE, AS YOU SAID, 30,000 FOOT VIEW.

BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? SO IS THAT COMING? YES, SIR. SO THE JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A GAUGE, THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND REPORTS AROUND 30 PAGES.

THE FORENSIC REPORT FOR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AROUND 60 PAGES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS IN THERE. AND AT THE END OF OUR REPORT, WE CONTAIN ALL THE FINDINGS, THE EFFECTS AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WITHIN THE FINAL REPORT THAT YOU'LL RECEIVE, THEY'LL ALSO BE MANAGEMENT RESPONSES TO THOSE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT ACTIONS MANAGEMENT DECIDES TO TAKE IN RELATION TO THOSE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND WHEN YOU SAY MANAGEMENT, YOU'RE SAYING THE CURRENT COUNTY AUDITOR AND MANY. CORRECT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING THERE'S SOME PROPOSED CHANGES THAT THE COURT HASN'T DECIDED ON. BUT AS FAR AS WHEN WE SHIFT THE BUDGET OFFICE, THAT SOME OF THAT WOULD FALL THERE, I SUPPOSE, AND SOME OF THAT MIGHT FALL. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON AIR I DIDN'T SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, TALKING ABOUT DOING SOME RESTRUCTURING THAT WOULD FALL TO WHOEVER THAT QUOTE MANAGEMENT IS.

CORRECT. AND SOME OF THESE FINDINGS RELATE TO MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.

AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE, IN SOME CASES, MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS PROVIDING A A RESPONSE TO THAT FINDING AND RECOMMENDATION.

AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE AND HER STAFF ON WHO THE APPROPRIATE PERSONS SHOULD BE CURRENTLY WITHIN THE COUNTY TO RESPOND TO THOSE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THIS AS SHORT AS I CAN, WHICH I'M NOT GOOD AT KEEPING SOME OF THESE THINGS SHORT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THIS IS VERY INTENSE STUFF, AND WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON IT.

AND, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE TO COME ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THE HIGH LEVEL REPORT.

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT A 30 PAGE REPORT COMING IN A 60 PAGE REPORT.

AND I'M GOING TO READ ALL THAT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WOULD SURE BE NICE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, I'M SURE, EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE WE WE CAN PUT ALL THIS OUT FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY REPORT TO, SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO READ 30 AND 60 PAGES IF THEY DON'T WANT TO.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GOING TO COME CORRECT.

AND IN EACH REPORT, THERE'LL BE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT IS AT THE FRONT OF THE REPORT THAT FROM A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, WILL PROVIDE AGAIN THE MAJOR FINDINGS AND THE THE MINUTIA, IF YOU WILL, WILL BE IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT.

AND I'M GOING TO READ IT, BUT I'M ALSO A CLIFF NOTES GUY TOO.

I LIKE THOSE A LOT. YOU KNOW TOO, I USED TO USE ALL OF THOSE CLIFF NOTES, AND I MADE DATING MYSELF THAT WE GOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE DOING BOOK REPORTS. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE ONE I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO PASS ON AFTER YOU ANSWER THIS, IS THIS, THIS $3.7 MILLION, I THINK IT WAS IT WAS NOT BROUGHT TO THE COURT.

I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DESCRIBE THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL TO SAY.

THERE WAS SOME LOAN DONE THAT FOR $3.7 MILLION THAT THE COURT WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF.

I MEAN, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ONE MAYBE. YES. SO SO THERE WAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TRANSACTIONS THAT MAKE THAT UP.

SO. IN FISCAL YEAR 2020. SO THE TOTAL UNAUTHORIZED OR UNAPPROVED LOANS AND TRANSFERS TOTALED $3.75 MILLION, 750,000 OF THAT OCCURRED IN THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2020.

MOST OF THOSE HAPPENED IN, I BELIEVE, SEPTEMBER OF 2020.

THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT TRANSACTIONS THAT CONTRIBUTED FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND OVER INTO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

IT WAS NOT THE COMMISSION WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF IT.

WE REVIEWED ALL OF THE COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO THE COMMISSION.

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AND SO WE ANALYZED THOSE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THERE.

WE LOOKED AT THE COMMISSION MEETINGS, THE AGENDAS, WE WATCHED THE PRESENTATIONS, AND NOTHING WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

THAT WOULD MAKE THE COMMISSION AWARE OF THAT 750,000 THAT OCCURRED IN FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2020.

THERE WAS ANOTHER $3 MILLION THAT OCCURRED IN TOTALITY IN FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2021.

THAT $3 MILLION WAS NOT TREATED AS A TRANSFER.

IT WAS TREATED AS A LOAN FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.

THAT $3 MILLION IS STILL PAYABLE CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS AS BEING OWED FROM THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND, AND THAT, AGAIN, WE DID THE SAME ANALYSIS, THE SAME PROCESS, REVIEWED ALL THE INFORMATION, AND NONE OF THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

WE DID SPEAK WITH THE FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR IN RELATION TO THOSE.

HE STATED THAT THEY WERE BROUGHT FOR APPROVAL. BUT AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN NO DOCUMENTATION, NO COMMUNICATION, AND ALL OF THE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE REVIEWED AND ANALYZED THAT WOULD SUPPORT THOSE STATEMENTS.

AND YOU LOOKED AT COMMISSIONERS, COURTS, VOTES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, TOO.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU'VE REVIEWED. YES, SIR. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEYOND DISTURBING.

AND I HOPE THAT EVERY PUBLIC ENTITY. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET YOU BUSINESS, BUT I HOPE THAT EVERY PUBLIC ENTITY WILL DO ONE OF THESE FORENSIC AUDITS, BECAUSE I PROMISE YOU, IF THERE'S STUFF HERE, I WOULD LOVE FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI TO DO ONE OF THESE, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE GOING TO FIND A LOT OF MESSY STUFF, TOO, JUST LIKE DEL MAR WOULD.

AND EVERYBODY, EVERY ENTITY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT DOING FORENSIC AUDITS ON A REGULAR, WHATEVER REGULAR BASIS IS.

AND WE NEED TO PUT THAT INTO OUR BUDGET FOR SOME SORT OF ACCUMULATION TO DO THESE EVERY WHATEVER NUMBER OF YEARS WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE.

BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS WHY WE DID IT. WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING.

IN FACT, QUITE THE CONTRARY. WE WANT TO PUT ALL OF THIS OUT THERE AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW.

AND THEN NOW, ONCE WE KNOW ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF, THEN HOW WE REACT IS THE KEY.

AND WHAT WE DO TO FIX THIS IS THE KEY. AND SO ONCE WE GET THIS, I KNOW THIS COURT, WE'RE VERY PROACTIVE IN DEALING WITH MESSES.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS. BUT BUT I GOT TO SAY IF THIS TRULY CANNOT BE FOUND, THAT THERE WAS ANY AUTHORIZATION, MAYBE THE DA OUGHT TO BE LISTENING TO THIS REPORT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL LAWYER, BUT FOR SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO AUTHORIZE $3.7 MILLION WITHOUT GOING TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND JUST THE COUNTY AUDITOR.

FORMER HAS THAT MUCH, YOU KNOW, AUTHORITY. THAT'S STAGGERING TO ME.

AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT CAN'T THERE CAN'T BE SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, CIVILLY WRONG WITH IT.

AND THAT'S MORE OF A COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION TO YOU.

BUT PLEASE, LET'S DOUBLE VERIFY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE, BUT I WOULD LIKE OUR ATTORNEY TO ALSO LOOK OVER THAT AND SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT THAT WAS EVER BROUGHT THAT THAT CAN'T JUST BE LEFT HANGING AS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THAT. AND WHOEVER DID IT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, SOMEONE HAS TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THAT.

THAT'S SERIOUS STUFF. THAT'S TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

AND AND NOBODY ON THIS COURT IS GOING TO LET THAT STAND.

AND I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I KNOW EVERYBODY ON THIS COURT AND THE LEVEL INTEGRITY THEY HAVE, THEY'RE NOT NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT THAT TO STAND. SO JENNY, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION THAT HAS TO DO WITH, WITH WITH FUNDS, ESPECIALLY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

THAT'S A BREACH OF FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. AND IF WE DON'T DEAL WITH THAT, THEN THEN THAT'S ON US TOO.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT STOOD OUT ON THIS ONE.

BUT THAT ONE, THAT ONE BLEW ME AWAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, SIR. MR. MENDES. THANK YOU. JUDGE. I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE.

DEFINITELY CONCERNING. AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP UPON THIS COURT.

WE ASKED FOR THIS REVIEW, THIS SCRUTINY, BECAUSE WE HAD QUESTIONS AND WE FELT WE, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY ITSELF, DESERVES ANSWERS IN RESPONSE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF THAT.

LOOKING FORWARD TO THE MORE DETAILED REPORTS.

I APPRECIATE YOUR PRELIMINARY FINDINGS. QUITE A THOROUGH LIST, AND IF WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN A WHILE, I CAN SEE WHY. THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICIES THAT ARE LACKING.

NOT TO MAKE EXCUSES. IT'S JUST AS YOU GROW, THINGS JUST KIND OF ARE CREATED AND YOU DON'T REALLY THINK OF WHAT ARE THE SAFETY FEATURES TO ENSURE THAT THESE, THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS ARE PROTECTED. SO I APPRECIATE YOU KIND OF BRINGING ALL THESE ISSUES FORWARD TO US, A STAGGERING LIST IN MY OPINION, OF ISSUES. BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE ASKED FOR THIS BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS.

AND HOW DO WE CLEAN THIS UP TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY THIS COURT, BUT FUTURE COURTS WILL HAVE THE, THE, THE PROCESS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A REDUCED RISK OF FRAUD.

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CORRECT. RIGHT. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PURCHASE CARDS, P CARDS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S ALWAYS A QUESTION THAT WE ARE ASKED WHEN WE ARE FILLING OUT FORMS FOR THE AUDIT, WHICH ARE THE REGULAR AUDITS. I DO AGREE THAT THIS IS HOW YOU CATCH FRAUD.

IT'S THROUGH THE FORENSIC AUDITS AND ESPECIALLY THE PART YOU FOCUS ON.

MANY PEOPLE DON'T PICK UP ON THE INDIVIDUALS.

THE STAFF MANY TIMES ARE THE ONES THAT CAN BE THE WHISTLEBLOWERS THAT CAN IDENTIFY THAT THERE ARE THERE IS SOMETHING AMISS.

ABSOLUTELY. AND AT LEAST BUMP IT UP TO THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF PLANNING AND PREPARATION.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FUNCTION AND FEATURE TO ALLOW FOR THAT, BUT WHAT IF, SAY, THE SCENARIO IS WHAT IF IT'S YOUR IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR? WHO DO YOU REPORT TO NEXT? IS THERE SOMEONE TO GO TO NEXT? SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT WE'LL WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT IN PLANNING, IN HOW TO CREATE THE SYSTEM, TO ALLOW FOR THESE EMPLOYEES TO FEEL COMFORTABLE TO REPORT SOMETHING WHEN THEY FEEL THERE IS AN ISSUE OR A CONCERN.

AND A LOT OF TIMES SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE EASILY ADDRESSED.

I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF SCRUTINY PUT IN PLACE.

GOSH, I, I MADE A TRIP, A LEGISLATIVE TRIP EARLIER IN THE YEAR, AND IT TOOK MONTHS TO GET RECONCILED BECAUSE I HAPPENED TO USE MY OWN CARD INSTEAD OF I DIDN'T TAKE THE COUNTY CARD WITH ME, SO I ENDED UP USING MY PERSONAL CARD AND HAD TO SHOW INVOICES.

AND IT TOOK A WHILE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT THE OPENNESS OF OUR STAFF.

BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S ONLY PART OF IT. AND WE AND WE KNOW NOW.

RIGHT. LOOKING BACK, YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND AREAS WHERE, WHERE THERE WAS ISSUES OR PROBLEMS. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DOWNPLAY WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING LEGALLY OF A CONCERN.

I KNOW AND FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL PURSUE THAT IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS. BUT I WANTED TO ALSO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE ON THE GIFT CARD PURCHASES. THESE ARE ALL POLICY FIXES THOUGH, IN YOUR OPINION? OR IS IT STRUCTURAL? IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE? AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT, ADDITIONAL STAFF TO HELP WITH THIS FOR THE GIFT CARD PURCHASES, IT'S MORE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT WHAT ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION COULD BE RETAINED IN THOSE CASES.

YOU KNOW, I DID SPEAK TO A SMALL DEGREE WITH THE DEPARTMENTS RELATED TO THOSE, JUST AS WE WERE UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESSES AND, AND MENTIONED THAT TO THEM THAT THERE WAS THERE'S, YOU KNOW, INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO AND LOOK AT THAT PROACTIVELY DURING THAT INTERVIEW CONVERSATION, BUT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR WOULD BE MORE PROCEDURAL AND THAT'S MORE FOR SOCIAL ASSISTANCE.

ARE THOSE GIFT CARDS? ARE THEY IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS? CORRECT. THAT'S THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THEM. BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME ONES THAT ARE GIVEN OUT FOR ANNIVERSARIES, FOR GIFTS, FOR CERTAIN EVENTS THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT THERE'S A LACK OF DOCUMENTATION ON AS WELL.

I'M AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S GOOD TOO.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. AND SAY OUT LOUD. I, I'M GLAD YOU ALSO IDENTIFIED THE ISSUE WITH THE CONVERSION OF OUR SOFTWARE FROM ONE SOLUTION TO WORKDAY.

MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN OVER THE YEARS. GOSH, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT'S ALWAYS WELL INTENTIONED.

BUT THESE THESE SOFTWARES, THESE PLATFORMS ARE BECOMING SO, SO DETAILED THAT THEY'RE ENCOMPASSING EVERY PART OF FROM HR AND ACCOUNTING TO, TO PURCHASES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN THAT.

IT HAS MORE FUNCTIONS THAN A LOT OF TIMES THAT IT'S UTILIZED, RIGHT.

IT'S UNDERUTILIZED MANY TIMES, EVEN WITH A COUNTY OF OUR SIZE, WITH AS MANY EMPLOYEES AND DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT COULD YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE STILL LEARNING, RIGHT, OF WHAT CAN BE DONE. AND WE'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE SAID THAT IN COURT. I PERSONALLY HAVE SEEN THAT IT'S WE I OPERATE MY DEPARTMENT, AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND IF IT SAYS SOMETHING THAT YOU TELL US, HEY, NO ESSEX COUNTY, YOU GOT TO FIX AND WORK THAT OUT, THEN WE'LL WE'LL DO IT. I KNOW WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THAT, BUT I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW HOW CONCERNING IT HAS BEEN ON THIS SIDE, ON THE DI SIDE TO SEE THERE'S BEEN CHALLENGES WITH THAT.

AND ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS ALL, I THINK WELL-INTENTIONED TO BE ABLE TO HELP BETTER BOOKKEEPING AND ALL THAT.

BUT IT HAS MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT, I'M SURE, FOR, FOR SOME THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ELECTEDS EVEN THOSE WITHIN MID MANAGEMENT OR JUST BASIC SERVICE LEVEL WORKERS THAT ARE HAVING STRUGGLES WITH THIS SO THAT THAT I'M SURE HAD A BIG PART OF IT.

AND WE'VE WE'VE DOCUMENTED THAT MANY TIMES IN OUR COMMENTS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT HERE IN COURT. SO I'M GLAD THAT THOSE THAT'S ONE OF THE MANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED.

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BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. PUTTING IN SYSTEMS IN PLACE I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT.

YES, LET'S PUT TRAINING IN PLACE THAT EVEN SOMETHING FOR AN HOUR JUST TO KIND OF GET PEOPLE.

I MEAN, WE TAKE A CYBERSECURITY ONCE A YEAR THAT WE'RE REQUIRED BY THE STATE.

AND I'M LIKE, OH GOSH, IT'S THE SAME THING. BUT IT'S HELPFUL.

RIGHT. THERE'S A FEW LITTLE THINGS THAT POP UP LIKE, OKAY, YEAH, I NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT. RIGHT. A GOOD LITTLE REMINDER. SO EVEN SOMETHING AS BASIC AS THAT NOW MAYBE YOU MAY SUGGEST SOMETHING MORE THOROUGH.

AND I'M GOOD FOR THAT AS WELL. DON'T WANT IT TO BE TOO OVERWHELMING, BUT JUST AS A PART OF REMINDING EVERYONE IT'S EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY THAT CAN HELP GOVERNMENT BE MORE EFFICIENT. AND SO WHEN WE HEAR CLAIMS OR CONCERNS OF, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE REDUCED BECAUSE IT'S NOT EFFICIENT.

THERE'S SOME MERIT TO THAT. BUT I'D HATE FOR US TO CUT GOVERNMENT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT PROPER PROCEDURES IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF RECOGNIZING THOSE THOSE FAULTS, THOSE AREAS.

SO YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN BRINGING THAT FORWARD.

AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ASKED FOR THIS, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE HAD THE FORESIGHT AND REALLY JUST THE REACTION AS WELL TO SEE THAT THIS UNFOLDING OVER YEARS. SO IF IF THERE'S MORE TO COME, THEN PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE LEADING THIS CHARGE TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND MORE EFFICIENT. SO THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR JUST JUST A FEW COMMENTS, YOUR HONOR, OF MY PREDECESSOR OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE MADE SOME REALLY GOOD COMMENTS.

I'M GOING TO FOCUS JUST A MOMENT ON THE CONVERSION FROM THE ONE SOLUTION TO WORKDAY.

AS YOU KNOW, JUDGE, YOU ASKED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHERE WE WERE ON THAT.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF 2 OR 3 MEETINGS, AND I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THAT.

I WANT TO ESPECIALLY COMPLIMENT GRAYSON AND HIS STAFF FOR STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE AND TRYING TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND IT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I STILL HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH RESPECT TO OUR CONVERSION FROM ONE SOLUTION TO WORK DAY, AND I THINK THE AUDITOR HAS BROUGHT THAT OUT.

I THINK WE'RE STILL THERE'S AN OLD TERM IN IT TECHNOLOGY CALLED WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE.

AND I THINK WE'RE STILL WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED WITH RESPECT TO THIS CONVERSION.

AND I THINK GRAYSON AND HIS STAFF HAVE TAKEN ON SOME RESPONSIBILITIES THAT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN ON BY THE AUDITOR AND ARE MORE OF AN IT FUNCTION THAN THEY ARE AN AUDITOR FUNCTION. AND SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP.

AND WE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, BOTH FROM THE WITH THE AUDITORS AND INTERNALLY AS A COMMISSIONERS COURT.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION OR ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WE WE EMPLOY AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR WHO COMES IN AND CHECKS THINGS ON A YEAR IN, YEAR OUT BASIS. SO WHERE DOES THAT PLAY INTO ALL OF THIS? DO NOT OUR OUTSIDE AUDITORS LOOK AT THESE KIND OF THINGS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT? AND I KNOW I IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE AS A COMMISSIONER, WE SAT THROUGH SEVERAL OF THOSE KINDS OF PRESENTATIONS.

BUT WHAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR CATCHING SOME OF THESE THINGS.

SO I'LL ANSWER THAT IN TWO PARTS. ONE IS THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT.

WE HAVE NOT TALKED WITH THE EXTERNAL AUDITOR ABOUT THESE ITEMS, AND WE TRADITIONALLY DON'T.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS THE EXTERNAL AUDITOR.

THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THE OVERALL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF THE COUNTY.

THEY'RE FOCUSED ON MATERIALITY, ENSURING THAT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE MATERIALLY ACCURATE.

SOME OF THESE ITEMS, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE EXTERNAL AUDITORS MATERIALITY THRESHOLD IS, AND SO IT MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, MET THAT THRESHOLD FOR THEM TO LOOK AT.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MORE FOR THEM TO ANSWER THAN I WOULD BE ABLE TO AT THIS JUNCTURE.

WELL, THEN MAYBE YOUR RECOMMENDATION SHOULD INCLUDE TO US SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE SHOULD LAY OUT AS EXPECTATIONS FOR OUR EXTERNAL AUDITORS ON A GO FORWARD BASIS.

IS THAT REASONABLE TO ALL? I'LL CONSIDER THAT.

CERTAINLY IT'S FOR US TO BE INDEPENDENT. IN THIS PROCESS, THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO VERSUS WHAT WE RECOMMEND YOU ALL TO DO. WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION.

BUT WE SURE YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT. I'M NOT A CPA OR AN ACCOUNTANT OR ANYTHING.

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BUT BUT WE, I THINK, NEED RECOMMENDATIONS ON A GO FORWARD BASIS ABOUT WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS SHOULD BE FROM AN EXTERNAL AUDITORS PERSPECTIVE. SO, ANYWAY, I'LL MOVE ON.

YES, SIR. I'M GLAD WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CARDS AND GAS CARD.

I HAVE FELT FOR A LONG TIME THAT THE BIGGEST HOLE IN OUR OCEAN UP HERE IS THESE CARD TRANSACTIONS AND GAS CARD TRANSACTIONS.

IT JUST HAS NEVER SEEMED TO ME LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH CONTROLS OVER THAT GIFT CARDS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD BE SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY ON GIFT CARDS.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT ALL. MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE.

AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO MY TENURE ON THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOES SOME THINGS.

I THINK THAT DOES HELP IN A WAY, AND ONE OF WHICH IS THEY DO HAVE A HOTLINE.

AND WHILE I WAS A COUNCILMAN, THERE WERE TWO INSTANCES WHERE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS WERE BROUGHT TO LIGHT BY, AS YOU SAID A WHILE AGO, AN EMPLOYEE, NOT AN AUDITOR THAT MADE THE CITY AWARE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON.

THAT SHOULDN'T BE. THERE'S ALSO AN AUDIT COMMITTEE THAT THE CITY APPOINTS THAT'S MADE UP OF MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL WHO WHO SIT WITH THE AUDITOR ON A REGULAR BASIS TO EXAMINE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, TO MAKE SURE THAT. SO MAYBE THOSE ARE SOME THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT ON A GO FORWARD BASIS.

BUT I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS. OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS LONG OVERDUE.

AND WELL, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FINAL REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.

AND I DO WANT TO STATE WHILE THIS THIS. FOCUSED ON THESE TWO DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.

THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE ANSWERS TO THE BOARD OF JUDGES, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH INVESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH US TO CLEAR THIS UP JUST AS MUCH AS WE ARE. BUT WHILE YOU TALKED ABOUT FUTURE POLICIES AND THINGS WE CAN DO TO CHANGE.

THERE ARE POLICIES IN PLACE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WERE NOT FOLLOWING.

SO WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE CREATE POLICIES, WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE POLICIES THAT EMPLOYEES OR DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT FOLLOWING. SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE DON'T JUST CREATE MORE.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING MAYBE THAT WE NEED TO ENFORCE.

SO YES, BUT THAT GOES ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. WHETHER IT'S PROCUREMENT CARDS, PURCHASE ORDERS, GRANTS. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT JUST ONE DEPARTMENT OR ONE PREVIOUS EMPLOYER.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN JUST GOING.

AND THEY'RE DEPARTMENTS. THEY DO THINGS THE OLD WAY BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE IT FOREVER. WELL, NOW, AS YOU STATED, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN APPRIZED OF THIS.

THIS IS IN FRONT OF OUR FACES AND WE ARE GOING TO DO BETTER, AND WE ARE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ALL DEPARTMENTS AS WELL, AND, AND MAKE SURE WE CLEAR THIS UP FOR THE FUTURE.

IT'S A GREAT REPORT AND LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND WE WILL GET THE REPORTS TO YOU IN SHORT ORDER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. NOT MOVING ON TO SKIP THIS ITEM. KEEP THIS AWAY. OH, OKAY.

YES, WE'LL BRING IT UP. MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR.

[4. Receive presentation from Constable Pct 1 Christopher Dorr regarding the County’s environmental enforcement efforts; discuss and consider transferring the current positions and equipment of Dept 5220 Environmental Enforcement to Dept 3810 Constable Pct 1; and all other related matters.]

I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE TO THE NEXT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSE? THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

[5. Discuss and consider and taking action on installing traffic control stop signs on County Road 47, at the intersection of London Family Road and all related matters; discuss and consider setting a public hearing and any and all requirements for said signs. ]

COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE I MEAN, CHESNEY, THIS IS YOURS.

YES, MA'AM. JUDGE. ACTUALLY, THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT FROM THE LAST TIME AROUND AND THIS NEEDED TO BE ADDED AS WELL.

AND SO I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ANY AND ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE SIGNS.

AND BECAUSE OF THE OVERSIGHT, I'M JUST GOING TO PAY FOR THAT OUT OF MY PRECINCT FOR CEOS SO THAT WE DON'T KEEP GOING BACK TO THE WELL, JUST SO WE KNOW THAT WOULD BE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE AYE. AND JUDGE I DON'T I'M SORRY. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO.

I GUESS PUBLIC WORKS WILL TAKE PUBLIC WORKS DOES THE NOTICE AND EVERYTHING. YES.

SO JUST MAKE SURE PUBLIC WORKS KNOWS WE PASS THIS SO THAT THEY CAN GET THAT GOING.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD PROVIDE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

YES. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY IF I INTERRUPTED YOU.

THAT'S OKAY. NO, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HANDLED THAT.

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[6. Discuss and consider the authorization and approval for the execution of the Agreement for use of Reliable Tire Disposal Trailer as part of a Council of Government tire cleanup effort in Banquete and all related matters. ]

AND. BANKHEAD. YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WERE CONTACTED BY REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT.

THE COG ABOUT THEY HAVE SOME MONEY THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE FOR CLEANUP IN RESPECTIVE AREAS.

AND KIM IS GOING TO PASS OUT SOME DOCUMENTS HERE.

AND SO THEY DO THIS THROUGH A COORDINATION WITH A COMPANY CALLED RELIABLE TIRE.

THEY WILL BRING A TRUCK AND TRAILER OVER TO. AND WE THINK WE'VE PICKED THE BEN KATY AREA TO DO THIS CLEANUP.

AND THEY'LL BRING A TRUCK AND TRAILER OVER AND WE CAN LOAD ALL THE TIRES THAT IT WILL HOLD, AND THEY WILL HAUL THEM OFF. THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS IS THE COG IS GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS.

IT WILL NOT COME OUT OF THE COUNTY'S COFFERS WHATSOEVER.

WE PASS THIS THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO SIGN WITH A RELIABLE TIRE TO OUR COUNTY AUDITOR.

COUNTY ATTORNEY. I'M SORRY. AND TALKING ABOUT AUDITOR TOO MUCH THIS MORNING.

AND HE HAD SOME CONCERNS WHICH THIS DOCUMENT THAT KIM JUST PASSED OUT WILL HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU.

KIM, DID YOU GIVE HIM A COPY OF WHERE I DREW THE BOX AROUND IT? OKAY. SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND TALKED ABOUT IT.

AND AS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID, THESE ARE YOU KNOW, BASICALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION.

WE THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE. WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THESE TIRE CLEANUPS.

AND WE THINK THAT YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT QUITE DOTTING ALL THE EYES AND T'S WE CERTAINLY THINK THAT THIS WILL BE OKAY. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS AND MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AND DO THE TIRE CLEANUP. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.

I WAS GOING TO SAY COMMISSIONER CHESNEY ALREADY DID.

SO THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT. AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. EDWARDS, ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THIS? IT'S NOT. THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD, COMMISSIONER, IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST BEN KELLY.

IT'S WHEREVER THE TIRES COME FROM. WE'RE NOT ASKING.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE IT. WE'RE GOING TO BIVOUAC THE TRUCK IN BEN COUNTY.

BUT IF THEY WANT TO BRING THEM FROM LUCY OR DRISCOLL OR WHEREVER, WE'LL TAKE THEM UNTIL THE TRUCK FILLS UP, I GUESS. YES, SIR. OKAY. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSE? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WE USED TO DO THESE, AS YOU MENTIONED.

YOU KNOW, A LOT. IS THERE A WAY TO EXTEND THESE INTO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY? BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE THEM IN MY PRECINCT, TOO.

AND MAN, THEY WERE. WE'D HAVE SO HUNDREDS PICKED UP AT THAT TIME.

IT WAS PAID FOR BY THE PARKS. SO WE USED TO HANDLE THAT FOR YOU.

WE WOULD SET UP IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND WE WOULD HANDLE THAT. RIGHT.

THIS WE WERE LUCKY. AS COMMISSIONER SAYS, THIS IS A GRANT, SO WE'RE HANDLING THAT.

IF YOU GIVE US THE FUNDING, WE'LL SET IT UP AND WE'LL RUN. RUN IT FOR YOU.

I REMEMBER GOING OUT TO COMPTON ROAD OVER THERE.

WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TURNOUT. AND WE ALSO HAD THE LITTER CRITTER WAS THERE AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE PARTNERED TOGETHER. AND IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD EVENT.

WELL, GIVE ME A YEAH, GIVE ME A COST. AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN I CAN FIND SOME IF I NEED TO BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY ARE WAY PAST DUE AND DOING ONE. SO I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER LEE REMINDING US OF THESE BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT THAT HE'S DOING.

AND I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THERE AND DO ONE IN MY PRECINCT, TOO.

WE CAN WE CAN ALSO REACH OUT AGAIN, COMMISSIONER, TO THE COG AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO HELP WITH THIS.

YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. THAT'D BE. YEAH. I MEAN, IN FACT, MAYBE, JUST TO BE FAIR, WE REACH OUT AND SEE WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO SPREAD IT OUT AMONGST ALL OF US, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'RE ALL GOING TO WANT IT. BUT IF NOT, THEN I'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO ONE IN MINE.

OKAY, BUT WITH COMMISSIONER MORRIS, WE'RE ALSO PLANNING SOMETHING IN OCTOBER FOR HIS AREA OVER THERE AS WELL.

SO WITH THE FUNDING OR JUST HIM DOING HIMSELF, WHAT WE USUALLY DO IT JUST WITH, WITH OUR COUNTY FUNDS, OUR PRECINCT FUNDS. BUT I MEAN, IF THERE'S ANOTHER SOURCE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN GREATLY DEPLETED, DEPLETED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

YEAH. SO. BUT NO, I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. I'LL FIGURE OUT SOMETHING IF WE CAN'T.

BUT YEAH, IF GOD WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE US ALL A LITTLE BIT, THAT'D BE GREAT, BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY HAVE A HUGE NEED FOR THIS.

YEAH. THANK YOU. GOOD PROJECT. COMMISSIONER. YES.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO BRING UP ITEM 12 BECAUSE I THINK WE DIDN'T VOTE ON THAT YET.

[12. Discuss and consider Nueces County legislative priorities; authorize County Judge, in concurrence with one Commissioner, to sign letters furthering the County Commissioners' priorities as discussed, and direct legislative consultants during all special sessions for the 89th Legislative Session, and all related matters. ]

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YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YES. BECAUSE WE HAVE JOEL AND PATRICIA ON, AND THEY HAVE TO LEAVE FOR ANOTHER MEETING.

SO ITEM NUMBER 12, DISCUSSING CONSIDERING NUECES COUNTY LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE AND CONCURRENCE WITH ONE COMMISSIONER, JUST AS WE DID IN THE PREVIOUS END OF SESSION, TO SIGN LETTERS FURTHERING THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PRIORITIES, AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, AND DIRECT THE LEGISLATIVE CONSULTANTS DURING SPECIAL SESSION FOR THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND JOEL OR PATRICIA, WHICH DO? WHICH ONE OF YOU WANT TO START? YEAH. GO AHEAD. JOEL. GO AHEAD. OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, THE SESSION STARTED MONDAY AS WE SPEAK.

THE JOINT DISASTER RECOVERY COMMITTEE IS MEETING.

THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR RELEASED A LIST OF PRIORITY BILLS THAT WILL IMPACT, OBVIOUSLY, A COUPLE MORE AREAS.

PROPERTY TAXES, DISASTER RECOVERY AND PREPAREDNESS.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE BILLS YET. THEY ARE JUST PLACEHOLDERS.

SO I THINK THIS ITEM IS TIMELY IN THE SENSE THAT AS THESE BILLS EVOLVE, PATRICIA AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH OFFICES ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT.

THEY ARE LITERALLY GOING TO HAVE HEARINGS, GATHER INPUT ON ALL THESE BILLS, AND THOSE BILLS ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED OR OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

BUT I THINK THE FIRST AND FOREMOST ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, AND THEN THEY'LL GO INTO PROPERTY TAXES AND SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES.

WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO POINT OUT THAT BECAUSE IT IS A SPECIAL SESSION, THEY'RE OPERATING UNDER DIFFERENT RULES.

SO THE TIME FRAMES FOR PUBLIC NOTICE ON HEARINGS ARE A LOT SHORTER.

SO IT'S VERY TIMELY JUDGED THAT WE GET TO JUST KIND OF CALL YOU QUICKLY.

WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH NOTICE TO GET ONE OF Y'ALL UP HERE TO TESTIFY.

BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY TRY TO DO OUR BEST. WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

AS FOR THE PROPERTY TAX ISSUE, WE'VE SEEN LOTS OF BILLS FILED, WHICH WE SENT TO Y'ALL ON FRIDAY.

WE DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN THE BILL. THE BILL THAT IS ENDORSED BY THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OR BY LEADERSHIP.

YET OUR BIGGER CLUES ON THAT IS GOING TO BE WHEN WE SEE SOME OF THE MORE PROMINENT AND EXPERT MEMBERS ON PROPERTY TAXES FILED THEIR PACKAGE.

AND SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT COMING THIS WEEK, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE ACTUAL TEXT OF THE BILLS YET.

WE'D LIKE YOUR PERMISSION TO COORDINATE WITH KEVIN COSTNER ON ANALYZING SOME OF THOSE BILLS AS THEY COME, AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE TO US, BECAUSE IT WILL BE ON SHORT, SHORT NOTICE.

YES. WE AGREE. SPECIAL RUNS VERY QUICKLY AND VERY SPECIFIC.

YES, JUDGE. AT THIS POINT IT LOOKS LIKE THE ITEM TODAY IS JUST TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY JUDGE AND CONCURRENCE WITH ONE COMMISSIONER TO SIGN LETTERS FURTHERING THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PRIORITIES. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED FOR ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY OTHER THAN THAT TODAY. IS THAT OTHER THAN THAT TODAY? YES. THAT'S WHAT WE DID. I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION.

OKAY. SECOND, WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE FOLLOW UP AND DISCUSSION.

PATRICIA OR JOEL? MAYBE, MAYBE I JUST FORGET FROM TWO YEARS AGO.

FOUR YEARS AGO. THIS THIS LIST SEEMS A LOT MORE DETAILED AND SPECIFIC THAN PREVIOUS.

I MEAN, BEFORE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS THIS MAINLY ONE ISSUE.

KIND OF THINGS. RIGHT? COUPLE OF ISSUES. HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN THIS, THIS LONG OF A LIST, OR IS IT BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS THAT THIS IS ALL BEING BROUGHT INTO THE SPECIAL SESSION? I THINK IT VARIES, COMMISSIONER.

YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE.

GOVERNOR ABBOTT HAD A SPECIAL SESSION AND HE HAD 20 FOR 20, AND MAYBE TEN OF THOSE 20 PRIORITY ITEMS GOT DONE THAT SESSION.

I AGREE WITH YOU. SOME OF THESE SEEM AWFULLY AMBITIOUS AND BIG ISSUES TO GET DONE IN A 30 DAY PERIOD.

YEAH, THIS IS WHAT JOEL AND I ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT IT IT WILL IF THEY ARE COMMITTED TO ACCOMPLISHING EACH OF THESE ISSUES, THESE 18 ITEMS, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO SQUEEZE ALL OF THAT INTO 30 DAYS.

WE MAY HAVE SUCCESSIVE SPECIAL SESSIONS, WHICH WE SAW LAST SESSION AS WELL.

SO I AGREE WITH JOE. WELL, THE IT LOOKS LIKE THE LEGISLATURE WILL WANT TO PRIORITIZE DISASTER RELIEF AND THE CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING, BOTH OF DISASTER RELIEF IS PROBABLY A GOOD CONSENSUS BUILDER.

CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING, I THINK, WILL BE DIVISIVE JUST BY THE NATURE OF WHAT IT ENTAILS.

BUT SOME OF THE MORE DIVISIVE ISSUES WILL BE THE HEMP REGULATION, THE TAXPAYER FUNDED LOBBYIST ISSUES, AND THE PROPERTY TAX ISSUES, AS WELL AS SOME ABORTION AND SOME SOME FRAUD ISSUES THAT ARE COMING

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WELL, DEFINITELY KEEP THE JUDGE. AND THEN SHE CAN REACH OUT TO ONE OF US IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET UP THERE.

BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT IN THE NETWORK THAT WE ALL HAVE, AND THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO WILL BE HELPFUL TO AT LEAST HAVE A A FOOTPRINT THERE THAT NUECES COUNTY IS REPRESENTED.

AND SO IF THIS GOES INTO FURTHER SESSIONS THEN I GUESS HOPEFULLY WE WILL RENEW OUR AGREEMENT WITH YOU BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS IS KIND OF NOW BY SPECIAL SESSION BY TERM, A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO TO, TO NOT BE REPRESENTED IN THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HAVING YOU KNOW, A PAID GROUP UP THERE TO REPRESENT OUR INTERESTS IS HELPFUL.

AND A LOT OF TIMES, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET UP THERE WITHOUT ALL THE OTHER WORK THAT WE HAVE OR MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN NUECES COUNTY.

SO THANKS FOR THAT WORK. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION.

JUST GO AHEAD REAL QUICKLY. DO WE NEED TO BE.

I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS TAX LEGISLATION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO PUNISH CERTAIN TAXING ENTITIES.

AND THE RESULT OF THAT IS THEY'RE GOING TO PUNISH ALL OF US.

WE'RE VERY CONCERNED. AND WE DO. WE NEED TO BE PASSING RESOLUTIONS ALREADY AS A COMMISSIONERS COURT IN OPPOSITION.

OR DO WE NEED TO WAIT TILL WE HEAR WHAT THE SPECIFIC BILL IS? I'M SURE BETTENCOURT IS GOING TO BE THE GUY WHO INTRODUCES IT.

SO, YEAH. EXACTLY, SIR. EXACTLY. WE'D RATHER WE'D RATHER WAIT TILL WE HAVE A TARGET.

OKAY. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE DOING IT THIS WAY.

TO WHERE? THAT WAY WE'RE NOT HAVING A MEETING.

THEN SHE CAN SIGN SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE OPPOSE IT, OR, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH.

AND WE ALREADY, AS A COURT, MADE OUR PRIORITIES CLEAR.

YES. I THINK YOU'RE DEAD ON, COMMISSIONER. WE'RE GOING TO BE NEEDING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT.

THAT'S THE THING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IT. OUR ABILITY TO RAISE REVENUE IS ALREADY AS A AS A COUNTY, VERY LIMITED. SO. RIGHT. AND WE SENT WE SENT YOU ALL WE KNOW IT'S A LONG LIST.

WE WE CAPTURED EVERYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH PROPERTY TAX.

BUT WE WANTED Y'ALL TO GET A REAL SENSE OF THE TONE AND THE FLAVOR OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING OUT THERE.

AND COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED IT. IT IS IT IS PUNISHING.

IT IS PUNISHING FOR OTHERS. OTHERS ERRORS, I SUPPOSE.

YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THEY HAVE SOME TARGETS IN WHAT THEY THE SCATTER SHOOTING THAT THEY'RE DOING IS NOT ONLY GOING TO AFFECT THOSE COUNTIES, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON COUNTIES SUCH AS NEW ACS WHO ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING FUND FUNDING WISE.

AGREED. AND I WILL TELL YOU THE IF THOSE WERE TO HAPPEN, THE POTENTIAL CUTS THAT A COUNTY LIKE NEW ACS WOULD HAVE TO MAKE, ARE NOT GOING TO BE WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY.

I WILL TELL YOU VERY MUCH. ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSE? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ARE YOU READY TO GO BACK TO YOUR ITEM OR. NO.

NOT YET. ARE WE READY? ARE WE ALL READY? I'M SORRY YOU HAD PEOPLE IN HERE, SO I WAS TRYING TO GO.

OH, PACK IT UP. YES, I SAW HIM BACK THERE. ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON THE COTTON COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP.

[3. Receive update on Cotton Community Partnership, ARPA Projects, and all related matters. ]

YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY UPDATED.

WE KNOW SOME OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE TAKEN LONGER THAN OTHERS BECAUSE THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT CONSTRAINTS.

SO WE'RE DOING SO MUCH MULTIPLE PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATIONS WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE PROJECT THAT'S CONTROLLED BY OASIS COUNTY.

WE ARE HELPING WITH THE FUNDING WE RECEIVED TO HELP WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, ESPECIALLY FOCUSED ON OBVIOUSLY IN PRECINCT THREE HERE.

SO WE HAVE CHIEF ZAPATA HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE COMMITTED AND WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF JUST AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE STAND AT THIS POINT.

SO EDWARD, DO YOU WANT TO START IT OFF OR. YES.

LET ME LET ME PREFACE IT BY THANKING YOU, COMMISSIONER, FOR LETTING US BRING THIS UP TO THE COURT.

IT'S A IT'S AN ONGOING PROJECT THAT YOU HAD STARTED BACK ABOUT A YEAR GOING ON A YEAR NOW.

SORRY WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT IT TO THE FINISH LINE SOONER THAN THAT.

BUT SPEAKING OF ALL THESE EMERGENCIES, YOU'RE BEING PROACTIVE, AND I LODGE YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE PART OF THIS IS BEING PROACTIVE TO NOTIFY

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BUT I'LL LET HIM GO. CHIEF JAVIER ZAPATA, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, FOR HAVING ME HERE. GOOD MORNING.

ALSO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PHASE OF THE FIRST BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO GET THAT ROOFING REPAIR.

AND RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE'RE STILL WE'RE GOING TO START ORDERING OUR BUNKER GEAR.

AND THE SIREN, WHICH THE SIREN IS A BIG HELP TO US.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. OURS IS NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW.

SO WITH THIS FUNDING, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE CITY OF ROCK AND THE CITIZENS.

AND THEY ARE GREATLY GOING TO APPRECIATE IT. THEY WERE USED TO GETTING UP AT 12 BECAUSE WE WOULD SOUND THAT ALARM RIGHT AT 12:00 AND EVERYBODY CALLS LIKE, HEY, WHERE'S THAT ALARM NOW? SO NOW THAT YOU HELPED US WITH THAT FUNDING, THEY'RE PRETTY EXCITED TO HEAR THAT 12:00 SIREN AGAIN.

RIGHT AFTER THE SIREN. WE'RE WORKING AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THAT FUNDING AS WELL.

SO, YEAH, OUR FUNDING HERE IS FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND THE COMMUNITY.

ROBINSON, THE CITY OF ROBISON HAS ALWAYS HAD A SIREN FOR EMERGENCIES.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS LONG BEFORE THE TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED SEVERAL WEEKS AGO IN CENTRAL TEXAS, BUT IT REMINDS US EVEN MORE. OF THE NEED TO HAVE THIS, ESPECIALLY IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES WHERE THE THE.

THAT THAT ALARM CAN BE AMPLIFIED AND REACH ALMOST EVERY CORNER OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE WORK. SOME OF THE OTHER WORK IS, AS THE CHIEF MENTIONED, BUNKER GEAR FOR HIS FIREFIGHTERS WAS IN MUCH NEED.

I MEAN, WE KNOW ALL BUDGETS ARE STRETCHED THIN, AND SO THAT'S AN ISSUE ALSO TO HELP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY'RE THEY'RE OUTGROWING THEIR CURRENT FACILITIES.

SO TO HELP WITH THEM AND THEN SOME ROOFING FOR ONE OF THE OTHER CITY PROPERTIES THERE.

THAT HELPS WITH WITH SOME OF THE VETERANS GROUPS THAT WE HAVE BASED OUT OF ROBSTOWN.

SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THAT WE HAVE PUT FORWARD, HAVE BEEN VETTED, THAT ARE GOING TO GET THIS, THIS FUNDING. AND SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF COMPLETE ONE RIGHT TO GET TO THE NEXT STEP.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH IS ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED.

IT JUST CAN'T ALL BE DONE AT ONCE. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE TO PROVE YOUR WORTH, EVEN AS BIG OR AS SMALL AS THEY ARE.

AND ONCE THEY'RE COMPLETE, THEN YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT. SO IT'S AN AMBITIOUS SCHEDULE, BUT IT'S WE CAN GET IT DONE PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING EACH COMPLETED IN SEQUENCE.

AND SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MORE. THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE COURT AND THE COMMUNITY, TO WHOEVER'S WATCHING TO PROMOTE THAT.

WE ARE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN, AS WE KNOW AS I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES.

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE THERE IN PORT A AND ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES.

SO THIS IS JUST ONCE AGAIN, JUST INFORMATIONAL.

AND SO DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD TIME FRAMES OR WHAT? SO THE ROOF JOB SHOULD TAKE MAYBE ABOUT TWO WEEKS.

WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN THE SELECTION PROCESS. THEY'VE ALREADY SELECTED A CONTRACTOR, SO WE'VE ALREADY STARTED ORDERING THE BUNKER GEAR AND THE BECAUSE THEIR LEAD TIME ITEMS. SO ALL THAT'S GOING TO COME IN. SO IT'S ABOUT WHAT THE LEAD TIME ON THE MUGGER? TAKES ABOUT THREE MONTHS IN THE ALARM. SAME THING.

THE SIREN. ABOUT THREE MONTHS. AND I MIGHT EMPHASIZE COMMISSIONER, THIS IS NOT JUST THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN THING.

THIS NOTIFIES PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY WITHIN HEARING DISTANCE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THE TWO COMMUNITIES, BLUE BONNET, SAN PEDRO ARE COUNTY AREAS.

SO THIS HELPS THE COUNTY AS WELL. AND JUDGE WILL BE USING IT FOR WHENEVER THERE'S A HURRICANE OR WHENEVER THERE'S A FIRE.

THE CHIEF WILL NOTIFY PEOPLE. YES, SIR. CORRECT.

AND ALSO, THE MAYOR COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY. HE'S OUT OF TOWN.

SO HE CAME AND TOLD ME TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE SUPPORT YOU HAVE GIVEN US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. CHIEF JUDGE, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT TO THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT ROBSTOWN PROJECT THAT COMMISSIONER MONIZ HAS INSTIGATED AND DONE, AND I'M HOPING ALL THOSE GOOD FOLKS IN ROBSTOWN ARE KEEPING COUNT OF ALL THE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER HAS DONE FOR THEM, BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY STAGGERING AMOUNT. AND THIS IS GREAT.

HE'S USING HIS PRECINCT ARPA FUNDS FOR THIS, AND THE COURT SUPPORTS THEM ON THAT OR WILL SUPPORT HIM ON THAT, I BELIEVE. AND BUT AGAIN, I REALLY DO HOPE YOU'LL TAKE BACK TO ROBSTOWN HOW GREAT A COMMISSIONER YOU HAVE.

BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER ROBSTOWN PROJECT BEFORE US THAT COMMISSIONER HAS INSTIGATED. SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. WE APPRECIATE IT ALSO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHIEF. MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE AUTHORIZATION AND APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THE

[7. Discuss and consider the authorization and approval of Amendment No 1 to the License Agreement with Oilbelt Little League for use of the County-owned property located at 3910 Cliff Crenshaw Street, Corpus Christi, Texas 78410, extending the Agreement and incorporating Amended Attachment “A” Venue Diagram and all related matters.]

COMMISSIONER, THIS IS. YES, YOUR HONOR, THIS IS A RENEWAL OR EXTENSION.

WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH ALL ABOUT LITTLE LEAGUE AND THEY HAD AN OPTION TO EXTEND FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS.

THEY HAVE EXERCISED THAT OPTION. JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, KIM PASSED OUT A PLAQUE THAT SHOWS A BOUNDARY LINE THAT WILL

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AND SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS EXTENSION OF THEIR CONTRACT.

AND ALONG WITH THAT, THE TO ALSO INCLUDE ATTACHMENT NUMBER A THAT WAS PASSED OUT THIS MORNING.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? JUST GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER MORRIS, I WASN'T PLANNING ON TALKING, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES FROM TIME TO TIME, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT POSTING, AND WE HAVE A GOOD STANDING ROLE AS A AS A COURT TO ENSURE THAT DOCUMENTATION IS THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION IS IN THERE.

SO WE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN REVIEW THIS, BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE LAST MINUTE ADDITIONS THAT ARE JUST HELPFUL.

AND I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE ALL IN THERE AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

BUT THEY DO A REALLY GREAT JOB THAT THEY HAVE KIND OF THE OVERHEAD PROJECTOR THAT THEY CAN SLIDE A SHEET ON AND KIND OF JUST POINT FOR REFERENCE.

SO I KNOW WE'RE GETTING AT THE END OF THE BUDGET CYCLE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT BUDGET THIS WOULD COME OUT OF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE IF WE CAN GET ONE OF THOSE OVERHEAD DISPLAYS SO THAT YOU CAN JUST SLIDE A SHEET AND JUST POINT IT FOR REFERENCE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ADD IT ON.

ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE, ON THE IT SIDE. AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOWING AND DISPLAYING THIS KIND OF MAP, EVEN JUST FOR A FEW SECONDS, THE PUBLIC CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT SOMETIMES WE GET UP HERE.

IT WOULD BE FOR EVERY DOCUMENT. IT WOULD BE MORE JUST FOR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION LIKE THIS OR SOMETHING THAT COMES UP AT THE LAST MINUTE.

THERE MAY BE EVEN SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW FROM TIME TO TIME COMES DURING PUBLIC COMMENT THAT SOMEONE HAS TO PASS OUT TO US, BUT THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY MAY NOT SEE WHAT THAT COPY LOOKS LIKE.

SO JUST TALKING OUT LOUD. BUT IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GET THAT FUNDING FROM AND MAYBE SEE ABOUT ORDERING IT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WHAT THE WITH THE RETURN TIME ON GETTING SOMETHING THAT LIKE THAT TO US, BUT WE COULD START NOW.

OR IF NOT, THEN AT LEAST PUT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS SO WE CAN AFFORD THAT EQUIPMENT WITH OUR NEXT BUDGET YEAR.

YEAH. THANK YOU. NO, IT'S. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET TOO FAR OFF OF THAT, BUT IT'S KIND OF IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND I THOUGHT WE USED TO HAVE ONE HERE A LONG TIME AGO, BUT MAYBE WE DIDN'T.

I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT I KNOW THE CITY DID HAVE ONE.

BUT, YEAH, THIS WAS WE SENT THE DOCUMENT UP TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND TO KENT BROWN, AND HE REVIEWED IT AND SAID EVERYTHING LOOKED OKAY.

AND THEN AT THE LAST MINUTE HE SAID, WELL, WHERE IS ATTACHMENT A? AND WE COULDN'T FIND IT, SO SO WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, WE MADE A NEW AND I SENT THIS OVER TO KENT, AND HE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID IT WAS FINE. BUT THIS BASICALLY OUTLINES THE AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT ALL THAT BUT LOUIS WILL HAVE.

IT WAS EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.

BUT ANYWAY THIS WILL BE FOR THEIR TWO YEAR EXTENSION.

AND AT THE END OF THAT TWO YEARS, THEN WE WILL NEED TO CREATE A NEW LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THEM FOR AN ADDITIONAL PERIOD OF TIME, WHATEVER THE COURT DECIDES AT THAT POINT.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZATION AND APPROVAL FOR THE EXECUTION OF THE FACILITY'S USE LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH MIDWAY ATHLETIC BOOSTER

[8. Discuss and consider the authorization and approval for the execution of a Facilities - Use License Agreement with Tuloso-Midway Athletic Booster Club for use of the parking area of the Lyondell Baseball Park for a one-day BBQ Cook Off fundraiser event and all related matters. ]

YES, YOUR HONOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN BUSY OUT IN THE NORTHWEST.

THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE MIDWAY ATHLETIC BOOSTER CLUB OR THEIR FOOTBALL CLUB TO UTILIZE LINDALE, BRAZIL PARKING LOT FOR A FUNDRAISER BARBECUE EVENT.

THEY'VE THIS IS THE SECOND OR THIRD YEAR THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS.

IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS LAST YEAR. AND SO THEY REACHED OUT TO ME AND ASKED IF THEY COULD DO THAT AGAIN.

ONCE AGAIN, WE REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE IS WE'VE CREATED A DOCUMENT THAT AS A COURT, WE CAN UTILIZE FOR OTHER THINGS.

IT'S A GENERAL UTILIZATION WHERE YOU COULD JUST SUBMIT THIS TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THEY COULD CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATIONS AND WHATNOT. WOULD YOU USE THOSE? EDWARD. AND A LOT OF YOURS. I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO START USING THEM.

SO THIS THIS TEMPLATE IS GOING TO PUSH A LOT OF OUR EVENTS.

SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS. THERE'S ESPECIALLY HAZEL BAZEMORE.

THERE'S A LOT OF RUNNING EVENTS. THERE'S A LOT OF BIKE RIDING EVENTS.

GREAT ADDITION FOR US TO HAVE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. YEAH. WE YOU KNOW, BEFORE, YOUR HONOR, THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD JUST SAY, HEY, IT'S OKAY.

AND WE'D GO AHEAD AND DO IT. BUT IN TODAY'S LITIGIOUS SOCIETY, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING TO DO.

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THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PROOF OF INSURANCE.

I SENT THAT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. HE APPROVED THAT ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

WHATEVER KENT IS. I'M SORRY. YEAH. BUT ANYWAY WE GOT ALL THE I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED, AND SO I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS SECOND, I WILL SECOND THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ON ITEM NUMBER NINE.

[9. Discuss and consider amending Interlocal Agreement with the City of Corpus Christi for Tax Increment Reinvestment Zones to amend the County's contribution percentages and all related matters. ]

AND I KNOW THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE YOU AND I WERE AT ONE OF THE TOUR'S MEETINGS AND REALIZED THE COUNTY'S PERCENTAGE WAS HIGHER THAN THE OTHER TWO ENTITIES. SO I BELIEVE YOU PUT THIS ON, COMMISSIONER.

DID YOU OR DID DID MY OFFICE. BUT I THINK EVENTUALLY I THINK ORIGINALLY.

AND THEN IT GOT TABLED BECAUSE HE WAS GONE AND MAYBE PUT IT BACK ON.

YES. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO LOOK AT OUR PARTICIPATION IN ALL OF THE TAX REINVESTMENT ZONES.

AND LET ME LET ME GET MY DEAL HERE. AND I THINK SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE DOWN FURTHER ON OUR AGENDA, OUR POLICY THING, I DON'T THINK EVEN CHANGING OUR PARTICIPATION WOULD, IN FACT, GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL 2026. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? HEATHER, YOU'RE SITTING HERE.

I'M SORRY. IT COULD BE AUTOMATIC. WE COULD DO ANOTHER ONE.

OKAY. IT WOULDN'T WANT TO ACT ON THE ONE, THEN.

YEAH. WHENEVER WE DO IT, IT GOES INTO EFFECT.

AND. HEATHER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. TAX REINVESTMENT ON NUMBER FIVE IS GONE, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT WAS CANCELED. THE DEVELOPER CHOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.

AND SO THAT ONE WAS ACTUALLY THE THE ZONE WAS TERMINATED BACK IN 2024.

YEAH. BUT WE CAN WE CAN DECIDE NOW IF IF WE WANT TO CHANGE OUR PARTICIPATION OR WE CAN DISCUSS IT TODAY AND THEN MAYBE BRING IT BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

HOWEVER, WE THE COURT CHOOSES TO DO IT, BUT WHENEVER WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES, THEY GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

AND THEY AND THEY WOULD. SO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE CITY FOR APPROVAL.

AND IT WOULD BE WHATEVER EFFECTIVE DATE Y'ALL CHOOSE FOR THAT.

THE CHANGE OF PARTICIPATION. YEAH. SO JUDGE IS THE FIRST ONE ON HERE.

THE IS THIS THE. AND JUST IN ORDER AND BACKUP IS THE THE ISLAND WON BECAUSE THE THOUGHT BEING THAT TWO. TWO IS THE ONE ALREADY TO BE KIND OF CONSISTENT AND THE NUMBERS AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE WHAT IS ON THERE.

IT'S CONFUSING TO ME BY NUMBER. RIGHT. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK WE'VE GOT BREEZY VILLAGE, WHICH IS KIND OF A THING ON ITS OWN THAT WE NEED TO, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE THE DOWNTOWN ONE AND WE'VE GOT NORTH BEACH, THE ISLAND, WE'VE ALREADY ADJUSTED.

AND THEN SO THERE'S JUST REALLY DOWNTOWN AND NORTH BEACH, THEN RIGHT DOWNTOWN, NORTH BEACH, BREEZY ISLAND, AND THEN FIVE'S GONE AND THEN SEVEN IS HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.

WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THAT TODAY EITHER.

YES. SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME WE NEED TO BE WE WE JUST CAN'T KEEP SUBSIDIZING CITY PROJECTS.

AND YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A MEETING I THINK THIS WEEK.

AND COMMISSIONER, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH YOU GOING TO THAT MEETING AND AND VOTING AGAINST THAT BUDGET BECAUSE IT DEALS WITH REPAIRING A BUNCH OF STREETS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY TO BE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE WHAT I THINK ARE COMPLETELY CITY PROJECTS, STREET REPAIRS AND BUILDING STREETS. AND, AND, I MEAN, I'VE GOT TO BRING THAT BACK UP AND EVEN THE ISLAND TOURS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S $11 MILLION IN THE ISLAND TOURS THAT ARE GOING TO THESE PAPER STREETS THAT COUNTY MONEY SHOULDN'T BE PAYING FOR.

YOU KNOW, COUNTY MONEY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR BRIDGES AND CAUSEWAYS AND, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT CITY STREETS, NOT ONE OF THEM. SO THE CITY'S JUST BENEFIT WAY MORE IN THESE TERMS THAN THE COUNTIES, BECAUSE ONCE, ONCE THINGS ARE ANNEXED INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, THEN IT'S ALL THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY AND THE COUNTY IS OUT 100%.

SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE CONTRIBUTING AT ALL IS A HUMONGOUS PARTNERSHIP AND A HUMONGOUS SACRIFICE FOR NUECES COUNTY, AND I'M NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME CAPACITY.

BUT I THINK FOR THE COUNTY TO CONTINUE TO SUBSIDIZE CITY PROJECTS IS JUST NOT SOMETHING WE CAN AFFORD TO DO.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN KIND OF WAY PAST THAT.

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SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, INITIAL THIS WAS PUT ON BEFORE YOUR ADDITIONAL ITEMS. SO DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BEFORE YOU'RE NUMBER 11 ON THE POLICY FOR THESE.

DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE. WELL, I THINK WE I THINK WE PRUDENT TO GO AHEAD AND REDUCE THE ONE AT LEAST THAT WE'RE DOING 100%.

PERSONALLY, I THINK WE OUGHT TO REDUCE THE ONES THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH IS WHICH. I THINK WE OUGHT TO. I THINK WE OUGHT TO REDUCE THE REMAINING TWO THAT WE HAVE TO THE SAME LEVEL THAT WE'VE REDUCED TO THE ISLAND, THE ISLAND, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S FAIR AND THAT'S CONSISTENT.

AND THEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, FURTHER REDUCTIONS ON ALL OF THEM, TO BE FAIR. BUT WE HAVE TO GET THAT POLICY IN PLACE FIRST.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY REDUCED THE ISLAND ONE. SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. WHAT PARTICIPATING.

WELL, RIGHT. I KNOW WE DID. WE WENT TO WHERE WE YOU KNOW, WE WENT 75 AND THEN WE WENT DOWN.

SO I'M THINKING THIS FIRST ONE IS THE ISLANDS.

BUT IF WE'RE STILL AT 100% ON THE OTHER TWO THEN THAT'S DEFINITELY YEAH, THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.

I MEAN IT'S JUST NOT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.

SO AND THEN THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THE SUBSEQUENT ITEM THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON IS TO COME UP WITH A MORATORIUM ON ANY FUTURE TOURS OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED FOR. SO UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A POLICY, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST ALL OVER THE BOARD ON THIS.

WE HAVE A POLICY ON ABATEMENTS. WE DID THAT. WE TOOK THE TIME WE DID THAT.

WE NEED TO PUT A POLICY IN PLACE FOR NURSES AS WELL, RECOGNIZING THAT THE COUNTY DOES NOT BENEFIT AS MUCH FROM A TERS, EXCEPT MAYBE THE LONDON ONE, BUT NOT ON THESE OTHER ONES, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL CITY LIMITS, THEY'RE ALL CITY DEVELOPMENTS, AND WE'RE JUST SUBSIDIZING CITY PROJECTS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS I THINK WE'RE STILL AT 100%. YOU SAID ON NORTH BEACH.

AND I THINK WE OWN OUR OWN DOWNTOWN AND NORTH BEACH, DOWNTOWN AND NORTH BEACH.

YES. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, I, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION TO REDUCE NORTH BEACH AND DOWNTOWN TO THE LEVEL AT WHICH WE'VE DONE FOR THE ISLAND FOR NOW, AND THEN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM.

AND THEN WE'RE BEING FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD TO EVERY AREA THAT WE HAVE A TERS, AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL OF THEM LATER.

BUT THAT WOULD BE THE IMMEDIATE EFFECT BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE COMING UP ON BUDGET. IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THAT THIS MIGHT GENERATE A LITTLE EXTRA REVENUE THAT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE COULD USE. I YEAH. ARE YOU DONE, COMMISSIONER? YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S HIS MOTION. YEAH. I'LL SECOND THAT FOR DISCUSSION.

OKAY. YES. AND HEATHER CRICHTON. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AGAIN.

ON THE. THE ONE JUDGE YOU AND I ATTENDED. I THINK THAT WAS THE NORTH BEACH.

THAT WAS NORTH BEACH. THE CITY AND DEL MAR HAVE ALREADY REDUCED THEIR LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION, SO I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS REDUCED. SO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT TERM WAS FORMED.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THE COUNTY ENDED UP PARTICIPATING AT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN THE OTHER TWO TAXING ENTITIES, BUT THE THE OTHER TWO, THE CITY IN DEL MAR WENT INTO THE FORMATION OF THE TERS AT THE 75%.

THAT THEN RATCHETS DOWN OR IT'S AT 100% AND IT RATCHETS DOWN TO 75%.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THE COUNTY STAYED AT. AGREED TO 100% ACROSS THE LIFE OF THE TERRACE, WHICH IS 20 YEARS.

RIGHT. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. BUT IT WASN'T THAT ANYTHING WAS ADJUSTED.

THAT'S HOW IT WAS WHEN THE TOURS WAS FORMED. YEAH, YEAH.

SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE OUR PARTICIPATION TO MATCH WITH THE CITY.

AND DELMAR COLLEGE ARE DOING MORE THAN APPROPRIATE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING CAUGHT AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE KIND OF DECISIONS ON A GO FORWARD BASIS, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE MAY OR MAY NOT DO TO US HERE SHORTLY.

AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, THE TAX REINVESTMENT ZONE FOR DOWNTOWN WILL RENEW 28, 28, 2028.

WE WILL START TALKING ABOUT DISCUSSIONS ON BRINGING THAT FORWARD, SINCE THERE'S CONTINUING TO BE BUSINESSES AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE STILL BEING PROPOSED AND PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, BUT IT DOES NOT EXPIRE UNTIL 2028.

OKAY. BUT AT THIS POINT, IF ANY OF THESE EXPIRE, WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE PARTICIPATION AT ALL.

BUT ANYWAY, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S ASSESSMENT.

WE NEED TO REDUCE OUR PARTICIPATION. I THINK THE ISLAND MAP THAT, SO TO SPEAK, IS A GOOD FOOTPRINT TO FOLLOW. THAT'S HIS MOTION TODAY TO REDUCE HOURS AND THE INCREMENTS.

LIKE THE ISLAND GOING DOWN. YEAH. AND THEN FOR BOTH OF THOSE, AND THEN COME BACK AND LOOK AT,

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BUT THAT WOULD BE THE IMMEDIATE EFFECT TODAY. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. YEAH. AND I THINK WHERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND COMMISSIONER CHESNEY HAS DONE THIS THE COUNTY HAS PARTICIPATED IN THESE FOR ESPECIALLY THE DOWNTOWN ONE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

I WAS A CHAMPION FOR THAT WHEN I CAME TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IN 2009.

I WAS ABLE TO CONVINCE THE COMMISSIONERS COURT TO JOIN THAT, AND I THINK IT HAS REALLY HELPED DOWNTOWN.

I THINK IT IS CURRENTLY AND EVENTUALLY WILL, AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, WILL HELP ADD ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE TO OUR BOTTOM LINE. BUT I THINK WE'VE REACHED A POINT NOW WHERE WE CAN START PHASING THAT OUT, AND THIS WILL BE A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT. BUT ANYWAY, I SUPPORT THE MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER MORRIS OR ARE YOU WANTING TO SPEAK? SORRY. YES. YES. YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING. GO AHEAD.

I'LL GO. I'LL LISTEN TO. SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

SO IS THE MOTION TO MIRROR TURNER'S NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN TURN NUMBER FOUR, NORTH BEACH IN TURN NUMBER SIX, BARRY VILLAGE TO MARRY THE PERCENTAGES IN YOUR TERMS. NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS PADRE ISLAND. IS IT ALL OF THEM? I THINK WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT SIX SEPARATELY BECAUSE THAT'S I NEED TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT, BECAUSE I THINK WE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE BBC.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE EVEN GOING FORWARD, BUT, I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH BEING CONSISTENT IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. LIKE, IF YOU WANT TO THROW THAT IN THERE, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD.

CONSISTENT. I REALLY I REALLY NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND WE AND WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK AND REVISIT THAT AGAIN BASED ON WHAT THE STATE DOES.

YES. WE MAY BE BACK HERE IN THREE MONTHS GOING FOR A.

WAIT A MINUTE. AND I'M SORRY, MIKE. I MEAN, THAT'S OKAY.

I'LL GO AHEAD. CAN YOU TELL ME, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH.

YOU'VE GOT THE NUMBERS DOWN, RIGHT? AND I'M BAD ON THE NUMBERS. SO THE ISLAND TOURS IS TWO.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT. SO THREE, FOUR AND SIX ARE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY.

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THREE, FOUR AND SIX PRESENTLY.

PLEASE JUST GIVE ME A SECOND, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR TO EVERYONE.

BECAUSE 100% NORTH BEACH. YEAH. AND WE'LL GO BACK.

I WOULD I'M ACCEPTING THAT AMENDMENT FOR BREEZY. YES.

AS PART OF MY MOTION THAT I THINK THE DOWNTOWN SECOND.

I'M SORRY. SECOND. YES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT ADDING NORTH BEACH, I MEAN, BREEZY VILLAGE TO THIS.

I THINK WE COULD JUST. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

OKAY. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO JUST CHANGE YOUR VOTE, I'M JUST CHANGING MY MOTION. YES, MA'AM. AND I WILL DO THE SECOND. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO FOR TERMS NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN, WE'RE AT 100% FOR THE ENTIRE PERIOD FOR TOURS.

NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS NORTH BEACH. WE'RE AT 100% FROM 2019 THROUGH 2028.

AND THEN 75% FOR 2029 TO 2038. SO IT JUST GOES NOT LIKE THE.

THAT'S NORTH BEACH. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT WAS BREEZY? SORRY, SIX. LET ME FIND SIX. HOLD ON ONE MOMENT.

THAT'S THE LAST ONE THERE. OKAY. SO SIX IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

YEAH. IT'S THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALMOST GOING TO DO THAT ONE SEPARATELY BECAUSE IT'S AN ODD DEAL.

SO IT HAS MULTIPLE. SO TAX YEARS 2025 TO 2033 IS 95%.

AND THEN 2034 IS 90%. 2035 IS 80% TAX YEAR. 2036 IS 70%. KEEPS GOING DOWN. SORRY. IT JUST GOES DOWN 10%.

YES. AND WHERE DOES IT GO DOWN TO TAX YEAR. 2044 IS 5%.

AND THAT'S THE LAST YEAR. SO WE MIGHT WE MIGHT WANT TO PULL THAT ONE OUT AND TALK ABOUT IT SEPARATELY BECAUSE IT TO MIRROR IT NOW HURTS US BECAUSE THIS ONE GOES DOWN FARTHER. IT DOES.

RIGHT. SO THIS ONE. SO WE SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO KEEP THIS ONE.

WELL I DON'T KNOW. WE JUST MADE THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. MAYBE WE JUST PULL THIS OUT. I STILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO PUT MORE INTO IT.

I'M TRYING TO GET LESS, NOT MORE. AND THAT ONE DOES GO DOWN TO 5%.

EVENTUALLY. IT MAY NEED TO GO DOWN FASTER BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING OTHER PLACES.

SO CAN WE JUST PULL OUT FOR A MINUTE AND DO THESE TWO ONLY AS PART OF THE MOTION? GOING BACK TO THE MOTION. SORRY. YES, SORRY. SO GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND THEN AND THEN JUST FOR THE RECORD,

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COULD, COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION. COULD WE MAYBE TABLE THIS AND HAVE STAFF GO BACK AND EVALUATE EACH ONE OF THESE AND GIVE US A GUIDING CHART ON WHAT EACH ONE OF THEM.

LOOKS LIKE NOW. IT'S IN HERE. AND IF WE WAIT, THEN IT'S COSTING US MONEY BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO WAIT A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS.

BUT WHATEVER YOU WANT. I'M JUST MAKING THAT SUGGESTION. IF YOU. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, I'M FINE. I MEAN, IF IT'S GOING TO COST ME YOUR VOTE, BUT I MEAN, I THINK.

NO, NO, NO. I MEAN, I WAS JUST GOING TO, I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO DO.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO DO THREE AND FOUR PARALLEL TO THE ISLAND BECAUSE THEN WE'RE CONSISTENT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE ISLAND ONES IN PLACE.

ALL RIGHT THEN TALK ABOUT SEPARATELY JUST FOR A MINUTE.

SO OKAY. YEAH THAT'S FINE I'M FINE WITH THAT.

OKAY. SO I GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. I'LL LET YOU TELL US WHAT THE ISLAND ONE IS SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR THAT.

SO THERE'S SIX DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. SO TAX YEARS 2022 THROUGH 2027 IS 75% PARTICIPATION.

TAX YEAR 2028 IS 70% PARTICIPATION 29 IS 65. 2030 IS 60%.

2031 IS 55% AND THEN THE REMAINDER, WHICH IS 20, 2032 TO 2041 IS 50%.

RIGHT. SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IF WE CHANGE THREE AND FOUR TO THAT DEAL, THEN THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS TO NUECES COUNTY. THAT WILL GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND. AND WE ARE STILL THEN PARTNERING IN ENTITIES THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH DOING CITY PROJECTS.

CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY, THEN THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION TO HAVE THREE AND FOUR REFLECT THE SAME REDUCTION SCHEDULE.

THAT NUMBER TWO DID. AND THAT EFFECTIVE DATE IS WHEN? TODAY. I MEAN THAT WE COULD DO IT IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE CAN START LETTING CONSTANTS GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT THAT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH SOME REVENUE INTO OUR GENERAL FUND.

AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT FOR OUR UPCOMING BUDGET, CORRECT.

IT WILL BEGIN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TAX YEAR.

YES. SO. YES, SIR. SO I, I MEAN, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD.

I MEAN. HAVE YOU TALKED TO TO THOSE GROUPS IMPACTED MOST BY THIS? COMMISSIONER WE POSTED IT AND ARLENE WAS HERE.

I MEAN, THEY ARLENE WAS HERE. WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HER HERE OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER SCHEDULE WAS LIKE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE. WE DIDN'T CELEBRATING PRAISING NORTH BEACH EARLIER, AND.

YEAH, WE'RE DOING THIS. I JUST I GET WHAT THE INTENT IS.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF DOWNTOWN AND HOW VIBRANT IT'S BECOMING.

AND I KNOW WE GOT TO BALANCE THAT WITH BEING RESPONSIBLE WITH HOW MANY TAX BREAKS WE GIVE.

I'M, I'M I'M NOT ABOUT THIS CONTINUING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE GROUPS AND THEIR AFFECTED BODIES ARE AWARE OF THE STEPS THAT WE COULD BE TAKING IMMEDIATELY. RIGHT. AND I'M HOPING THIS AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT ARLENE'S COMMENTS WERE IN REFERENCE TO.

YEAH. I KNOW THAT THAT NORTH BEACH IS VERY VIBRANT AND, YEAH, I JUST I SEE ALL THE GREAT, GREAT WORK THAT'S BEING DONE. I MEAN, IN THE END, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING IF WE FOLLOW THE SAME SCHEDULE WE GO UP TO, WE GO NO LESS THAN 50%. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THE WHAT WE DID ON THE ISLAND ALREADY.

AND WITH RESPECT TO NORTH BEACH, WHERE WE'RE THE ONLY ENTITY THAT'S STILL AT 100%.

BESIDES, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY GONE DOWN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES.

OKAY. YES. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE THE ONLY ENTITY THAT WAS EVER IN 100.

YES. WELL, I THINK I THINK THAT'S TRUE. YEAH.

SO, I MEAN, AND I JUST HAPPENED TO SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK.

WE WENT. WAIT A MINUTE. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? ALL RIGHT. I'M GOOD.

YES. AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T. I MEAN, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TOTALLY ELIMINATING AMOUNTS.

SOMEBODY GOES TO UNDERSTAND THAT. YES. YES. WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO HAVE THEM HERE.

KNOWING COMMISSIONER CHESNEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, HE GOT SOME MONEY FOR, SOME OF THE PROJECT, AND I'M GOING TO BE ASKING FOR SOME FOR A PROJECT WE'VE GOT COMING UP HERE SHORTLY TOO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MIRROR THIS.

THE CHURCH NUMBER TWO. AND THIS IS ONLY ON THE DOWNTOWN AND THE NORTH BEACH TOURS.

THIS WILL AFFECT. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSE THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY. SO, JUDGE, IF I CAN NOW GO BACK TO BREEZY VILLAGE FOR A MINUTE AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO.

CONSTANCE, IF YOU CAN, YOU JUST DO THAT ONE REAL QUICK AGAIN BECAUSE THAT ONE AGAIN, NO OFFENSE, BUT I DON'T THINK I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO WE MAYBE NEED TO BRING THIS BACK,

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IT'S KIND OF QUICK TO THROW THIS IN AND US MAKE A DECISION.

THAT'S OKAY. SO CAN WE BRING THAT BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING WITH SOME SORT OF ANALYSIS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM Y'ALL. IF WE IF WE MIRROR THE OTHERS.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT, BUT THIS ONE'S A LITTLE ODD.

AND I DON'T WANT YOUR ITEM COMING UP THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON.

WELL, MAYBE TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM AS WELL.

OKAY. SO THAT'S OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED HERE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BACK WITH THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TERMS ONLY ARE MONEY WHENEVER THERE'S THERE'S INCREASE IN INVESTMENT.

AND SO FAR THERE'S BEEN NO INVESTMENT IN BARASSI.

YEAH. AND SO I DON'T YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE BACK HERE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS IF THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE CITY EVEN MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO PULL THE PLUG ON THIS LIKE WE DID NUMBER FIVE.

YES. SO THANK YOU. AND AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANTED THEM.

WE DON'T NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING FOR THEM TO BRING IT BACK.

YES. AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANT COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR NO VOTE ON THE DOWNTOWN TOURIST BUDGET BECAUSE OF YOUR POSITION THAT IT'S DOING A LOT OF THINGS THAT IT WASN'T INTENDED TO DO.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO WORK ON IN OUR POLICY.

THERE ARE JUST SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT I DIDN'T AGREE WITH. I THOUGHT THAT WERE MORE CITY FUNCTIONS THAN THEY WERE HERS RELATED.

AND AND SO I THINK DEL MAR FELT THE SAME WAY, BECAUSE I THINK MR. GARZA ALSO VOTED THE SAME WAY ON THAT BUDGET. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO TELL YOU THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN DISCUSSING.

[10. Discuss and consider execution of the interlocal agreement between the City of Corpus Christi and Nueces County regarding Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number Seven (TIRZ No. 7 London); and all related matters.]

AND I BELIEVE THIS IS NOW JUST A PRESENTATION ON THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND NUECES COUNTY REGARDING TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER SEVEN, THE LONDON TOWERS. THANK YOU. JUDGE. YES, JUST FOR EDIFICATION BEFORE MR. GARCIA MAKES THE PRESENTATION ON THIS. THIS IS.

WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS TODAY. THE CITY HASN'T VOTED ON THIS YET.

WE'RE SIMPLY GETTING PRESENTATION. IT'S HERE FOR ANY QUESTION THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO ASK ON THIS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I WOULD REMIND THE COURT THAT WE'RE STILL IN A NEGOTIATION PROCESS ON THAT.

AND TO BE CAUTIOUS ON WHAT WE SAY OUT HERE, SINCE SOME OF IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, POTENTIALLY, AND WE WILL NEED A UNANIMOUS VOTE TO TAKE IT INTO EXECUTIVE.

SO JUST REMINDING EVERYONE. SO THANK YOU. AND YOU MAY BEGIN.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU JUDGE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS I'M MOSES MOUSTAKAS WITH COASTAL BEND LOTS.

APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THIS PRESENTATION.

JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TOUCH UP ON SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND WHAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN FOR THE LONDON AREA.

SO THE LONDON AREA IS VERY UNIQUE. IT'S 87MI², MOSTLY FARMLAND IN THE AREA.

THE POPULATION OF THE LONDON AREA IS AREAS ROUGHLY AROUND 3800 PEOPLE AS OF EARLY THIS YEAR, AND ROUGHLY 1200 HOMES. MEDIAN AGE IS AROUND 39.

ORIGINALLY, THE HISTORY OF THE LONDON AREA STARTED OFF WITH RURAL FARMLAND AND STARTED OFF WITH SAM AND FANNY LONDON, WHO PURCHASED SOME LAND FROM THE KING RANCH, AND THERE IS SOME KING RANCH PROPERTY THAT'S SURROUNDING THE LONDON AREA.

IN 1909 PRIMARILY IN THE LONDON AREA, WAS A VERY SMALL GROCERY STORE, POST OFFICE, AND ALSO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY CAME THE CHURCH THAT'S THERE TODAY, WHICH IS CHURCH UNLIMITED ON THE CORNER.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE LONDON SCHOOL IN 2020.

THE LONDON SCHOOL HAD A POPULATION OF AROUND 1200 STUDENTS.

TODAY. THAT'S GROWN TO ROUGHLY 1950. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY AS BEFORE SCHOOL STARTED TODAY BECAUSE AS DOCTOR CHAPMAN STATED ABOUT A WEEK AGO MOST PARENTS FORGET TO ENROLL. THEY ENROLLED, SO THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO JUMP UP TO ABOUT 2100 STUDENTS BY THE END OF THE WEEK WHEN THEY GIVE US THE NEW AMOUNT. LONDON SCHOOL JUST PASSED A $96 MILLION BOND IN 2022 AND DONE SOME GREAT IMPROVEMENTS.

ONE OF THEM BEING THEY TIED INTO A SEWER LINE THAT WE EXTENDED FOR THEM AT THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY AND GOT THEM OFF OF SEPTIC SYSTEM.

AND AS EARLY AS LAST YEAR, THEY ALSO ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WHICH PROVIDES A LOT OF AMENITIES FOR THEM AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHEN IT RAINS REALLY HARD, THEIR SCHOOL IS NOT SHUT DOWN, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE, THE ONE AFTER THAT, PLEASE. TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING OVERVIEW IN THE LONDON AREA.

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IT WASN'T UNTIL 2020, WHEN A SEWER LINE WAS BROUGHT IN UNDER THE OSO AND GAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANNEXATION TO OCCUR IN THE LONDON AREA AND PROVIDE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH GUTTER SYSTEMS, WITH SIDEWALKS, WITH CITY ROADS, WHICH ARE GENERALLY 40 FOOT BACK TO BACK, OR 28 FOOT BACK TO BACK ROADS, 40 FOOT BACK TO BACK ROADS, AND EVEN UP TO 50 FOOT BACK TO BACK ROADS WITH CURVE, WHERE A CITY COUNTY STANDARD ROAD IS USUALLY A 20 FOOT COUNTY STANDARD ROAD.

AND IF YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN THE TWO PICTURES THERE, YOU'VE GOT YOUR HALF ACRE ACRE LOT COMMUNITIES, WHICH GENERALLY RESIDE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF WEBER CURRENTLY, AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF WEBER, WHERE THE SCHOOL SITE IS, IS WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE 6000 TO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THAT HAVE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WHICH PROVIDE A LOT MORE DENSITY. USUALLY IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'RE GETTING 5 TO 6 LOTS PER ACRE, COMPARED TO IN YOUR HALF ACRE ACRE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'RE GENERALLY AVERAGING AT ABOUT 0.78 TO 1 LOT PER ACRE.

BECAUSE OF DETENTION PURPOSES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE COUNTY DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE CITY DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. JUST TO KIND OF POINT OUT A COUPLE SIMPLE FACTS IS ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, WE'VE GOT WHAT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND CITY. THE COUNTY, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS WHERE YOU HAVE OPEN DITCHES, DETENTION PONDS, 20 FOOT ASPHALT COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY.

NO CURB, NO SIDEWALKS. COUNTY SHERIFF AND POTENTIALLY ISD FIRE PROTECTION.

CITY STANDARDS WOULD PROVIDE SEWER UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS LARGER.

WHAT WE CALL HIGH QUALITY ROADS, JUST BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY THAT'S REQUIRED TO TO THE DENSITY STANDARDS FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT GENERALLY GO ON THESE ROADS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF LOTS THAT'S DONE PER ACRE.

YOU ALSO HAVE CURB AND SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS REALLY NICE FOR THE KIDS.

I ACTUALLY JUST GOT A TEXT MESSAGE, TEXT MESSAGE FROM DOCTOR CHAPMAN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET A SIDEWALK TO SOME PART OF HIS SCHOOL JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.

BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION AS WELL.

THE REALLY THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IN THE LONDON AREA IS ULTIMATELY DRAINAGE IS ONE SMALL CHALLENGE, BUT SEWER IS GOING TO BE YOUR LARGEST CHALLENGE.

INFRASTRUCTURE LACKS IN THE LONDON AREA. IN ONE SMALL CORRIDOR OF ABOUT 1000 ACRES WHERE THESE HOMES HAVE STARTED IN 2020.

THERE WAS CITY TRUST FUND DOLLARS AND PARTICIPATION FUNDS THAT WAS ABLE TO BE PROVIDED TO LAND DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS.

TO GET THESE TWO KIND OF OFF THE GROUND. THAT LIFT STATION IS FAR FROM OTHER PARTS OF LONDON, BASICALLY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE HIGHWAYS, THE DIVIDING FACTOR.

AND TO PROVIDE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND DEL MAR HAS CREATED A LONDON CHURCH TO ULTIMATELY PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THIS TOURS IS DIFFERENT FROM ANY OF THE OTHER TOURS THAT EXIST IN THE CITY TODAY.

BECAUSE THIS IS AN ANNEXED AREA WHEN YOU'RE NOT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO COUNTY STANDARDS OR YOU'RE YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO DO COUNTY STANDARDS, WHEREAS WHEN YOU'RE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, THEN YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO DO CITY STANDARDS.

WHICH CITY STANDARDS, AGAIN, WOULD PROVIDE REAL SEWAGE DRAINAGE CITY STANDARD ROADS, WATER, AND ULTIMATELY PROVIDE MORE DENSITY AND BRING IN NOT ONLY HOMES BUT ALSO COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS A QUALITY OF LIFE FEATURE THAT THIS AREA PROVIDES OR NEEDS. IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT TWO. SO THIS MAP HERE IS A MAP THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON. ULTIMATELY, IT PROVIDES A BOUNDARY OF A ROUGHLY AROUND 4400 ACRES.

THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI GENERALLY DEVELOPS AROUND 250 ACRES A YEAR IN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI.

THAT'S REALLY WHY. AND WE'LL GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

BUT IN TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL MAP, THIS MAP IS A HYPOTHETICAL ZONE, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THIS MAP IS NOT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, WHICH MEANS THE WRONG SLIDE HERE ON THE FIRST SLIDE.

YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE.

YES. THERE. THANK YOU. YES. WENT A LITTLE FASTER.

SO THIS MAP HERE ILLUSTRATES ROUGHLY AROUND 4400 ACRES OF THAT 87 ACRE SQUARE MILE.

BUT THIS IS WHERE THE SEWER CAN START. THIS IS WHERE THE DRAINAGE CAN START.

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IT SURROUNDS THE SCHOOL, SURROUNDS THE CHURCH, WHICH ARE YOUR TWO LARGEST ANCHORS AND AND AND THE SCHOOL BEING ACTUALLY IN THE CITY NOW, BUT THE CHURCH STILL BEING IN THE COUNTY TO ALLOW ANNEXATION TO HAPPEN TO ENTICE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE COMMERCIAL, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE RESIDENTIAL.

IDENTICAL, BUT TO GET BASICALLY CITY STANDARDS HERE AND TO GET THE PROPERTY OFF OF BEING ON ANY TYPE OF SEPTIC SYSTEM AND TO PROVIDE REAL ROADS, REAL DRAINAGE, THAT'S WHAT THIS TERS IS KIND OF ILLUSTRATING.

SO IT'S IN THIS CORRIDOR. NOW THIS MAP WILL BE I WANT TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD CORRECTED, BUT IT'S STILL BEING MODIFIED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY ANNEXED OR ANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY TODAY WITH ANY TYPE OF HOUSING ARE NOT IN THE TERS ZONE.

SO THE COUNTY LOSES NOTHING TODAY, AND IT ISN'T REALLY GETTING ANYTHING FROM THIS AREA BECAUSE THIS IS ALL AGRICULTURAL LAND.

SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A TAX BASE HERE. NOW THERE ARE THREE SHOVEL READY PROJECTS WHICH IS THE NEXT MAP.

YOU'VE GOT MIRABELLA AND YOU'VE GOT LONDON. PROPER KIND OF A MIXTURE.

MIRABELLA IS GOING TO BE A 1200 LOT COMMUNITY BY A NEW BUILDER COMING INTO TOWN, PROVIDING WALKING TRAILS, HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS, CLUBHOUSES, RESORT STYLE COMMUNITY PICKLEBALL COURTS, SOMETHING THAT CORPUS HASN'T REALLY SEEN OR HAD.

THEY'RE VERY WELL KNOWN IN THE VALLEY AREA AND HAVE DONE THIS CONCEPT BEFORE.

SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM AND POTENTIALLY GET THIS IN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI.

NOW, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT CORRIDOR IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR OVER FIVE YEARS NOW.

INITIALLY WE LOOKED AT DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THIS AREA.

BUT WE REALLY WANT TO BRING THAT QUALITY OF LIFE FEATURE AND BRING IN THAT HIGH DENSITY.

THIS AREA WILL NEED IT EVENTUALLY. BUT RIGHT NOW, WITH 1200 HUNDRED HOMES.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN THE VOLUME AND DENSITY OF HOMES.

AND REALLY THAT'S DONE BY HAVING SEWER AND WATER DRAINAGE AND ROADS THAT CAN STAND THE TRAFFIC.

AND TO GO INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THE ONE AFTER THAT, PLEASE, THE ONE AFTER THAT IS REALLY JUST TO KIND OF TOUCH ON AGAIN WHAT THE COUNTY WILL BENEFIT IN PARTICIPATING IN THIS TOURS.

TODAY, AGAIN, THIS LAND IS IN THE COUNTY AND RECEIVES REALLY NO REVENUE.

IT'S BEEN IN THE COUNTY SINCE 1909 AND REALLY RECEIVED NO REVENUE BECAUSE IT'S ALL AGRICULTURAL LAND.

WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT. AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HALF ACRE, ACRE LOT COMMUNITIES, BUT THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE DENSITY THAT'S NEEDED.

AND IN SOME CASES, THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE NEEDED AND ULTIMATELY BECOME A BURDEN FOR THE COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROADS, THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND REALLY SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT Y'ALL BEEN DEALING WITH IN THE LONDON AREA WITH THOSE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO REALLY LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR THAT POTENTIALLY CAN HAVE SEWER AND THESE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BRING IN THAT QUALITY OF LIFE FEATURES AS FAR AS PARKS, MORE DENSE HOMES, MORE BUSINESSES AND REALLY SPUR THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE 286 EXPANSION THAT'S HAPPENING AS WELL.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE BROUGHT TO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND JUST KIND OF WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ON SOME OF THOSE POINTS THERE AND STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS? GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER MORRIS, GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT.

WE CAN JUST START THIS WAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER.

OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. MOSES. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

AND LET ME TURN MY SPEAKER DOWN A LITTLE BIT BACK.

I GUESS I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. AND I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER CHESNEY ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AND AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS.

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IS IT ON? OKAY. WHY AREN'T WE DOING THIS AHEAD OF THE CITY'S ANNEXATION PROCESS? SO WE'RE NOT. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS WHAT I'M DOING TODAY IS JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU GUYS A BRIEFING OF WHAT'S TO COME.

THE CITY HAS THEIR PROCESS. SO THE CITY PLANS ON.

THEY DID A BRIEFING LAST WEEK AT COUNCIL. THEY PLAN ON THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE ALSO HAS TO FUNCTION WITH TWO TAXING ENTITIES.

AND NORMALLY IT'S WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

OBVIOUSLY DEL MAR EXISTS AS WELL, BUT TWO TAXING ENTITIES HAVE TO BE THERE FOR TERS TO FORM.

AND I'VE OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL BEEN IN NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT PERCENTAGES THE SAME WAY Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT PERCENTAGES ON YOUR OTHER TERMS. WE'VE COME TO THE CITY WITH THE WITH THE OPTION OF A 50% PERCENTAGE, WHICH IS MUCH LESS THAN ANY OF THE OTHER TERMS THAT YOU CONTRIBUTE IN.

MAINLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE VALUE THAT'S NEEDED FROM THESE TAX AND ENTITIES TO BRING IN THAT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT IN A SENSE, WHEN YOU ANNEX PROPERTIES INTO THE CITY.

SO YOU THINK THAT THE CITY WILL GO AHEAD AND ANNEX THIS BEFORE WE HAVE THE CITY CAN'T ANNEX ANYTHING.

SO WE PLAN ON DOING VOLUNTARILY ANNEXING PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. YES, SIR. SO THIS WILL CREATE A HYPOTHETICAL AREA THAT WILL ALLOW MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS, NOT JUST ME, TO BE ABLE TO ANNEX PROPERTIES, THEN PROVIDE FINANCIAL STUDIES AND PLANS TO ULTIMATELY THEN COME BACK AND QUALIFY FOR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. SO TODAY, ALL THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING IS TAKING IN THE BRIEFING AND OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT YOU HAVE HAD WITH THE CITY, AND IF THAT GETS A BLESSING, THE CITY WILL THEN PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA ON THE 12TH OF AUGUST TO APPROVE THAT, AND THEN IT'LL COME BACK TO THIS BODY FOR APPROVAL BEFORE IT GOES TO THE SECOND ROUND OF APPROVAL PROCESS BY THE CITY.

OKAY. BUT OUR ANNEXATION IS CONDITIONAL ON THE TERMS, AND I WILL TOUCH UP ON SOMETHING.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE WITH WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER TWO YEARS.

IN SOME CASES OVER FOUR YEARS. AS A LANDOWNER, WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS TO, TO DO.

WE CAN DO OUR HALF ACRE ACRE LOTS AND STAY IN THE COUNTY, WHICH IS SOMETHING I DON'T WANT TO DO, BECAUSE IF I TAKE THIS 800 ACRES AND I DO HALF ACRE ACRE LOTS, WE'LL PRODUCE ROUGHLY $600 MILLION WORTH OF TAX REVENUE.

AND THAT WILL STAY ON YOUR BOOKS. IT'LL STAY IN THE COUNTY.

THE CITY WON'T BENEFIT FROM ANY OF THAT. BUT THE BURDEN OF THE STREETS, THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, FIRE AND ULTIMATELY EMS WILL BE ON THE COUNTY.

THIS MODEL THAT YOU SEE WILL JUST ON THESE 800 ACRES THAT ARE SHOVEL READY PROJECTS THAT CAN START LITERALLY TOMORROW.

ONCE WE GET PAST THIS PROJECT, OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WE'LL PUT IN ROUGHLY $1.5 BILLION WORTH OF TAX REVENUE.

SO REALLY, THAT'S WHY THE 5050 SPLIT SHOULD MAKE SENSE TO THE COUNTY ON THEIR SIDE, BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY NOT.

THEY'RE NOT GAINING ANYTHING TODAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOSING SOMETHING.

TOMORROW, 50% OF 1.5 BILLION IS STILL MORE THAN 100% OF 600 MILLION.

BUT YOU HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE ALL OF THAT PROPERTY WILL BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THE ZONE AREA ALLOWS MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS AND MULTIPLE ENTITIES TO POTENTIALLY START THEIR OWN PROJECTS AND THEN GET OUT OF THE COUNTY AND JUST BE IN THE CITY. WELL, YOU'RE ALWAYS IN THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO BE IN THE CITY.

YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD BRING THIS BACK TO THIS BODY ONCE THE ANNEXATION PROCESS HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY THE CITY, THEN THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF TRYING TO GET WITH THIS BODY HAS A ALREADY AN AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT WE WILL ANNEX THIS PROPERTY SIMULTANEOUSLY AS THE TERM IS FORMED.

SO ON AUGUST 12TH, WE PLAN ON THE TERS AREA TO BE APPROVED.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE'RE HOPING ON AUGUST 20TH IS Y'ALL'S NEXT MEETING.

Y'ALL WILL APPROVE THE TOURS AREA ON THE 26TH.

THE CITY WOULD THEN APPROVE THE TOURS AREA OFFICIALLY THAT SETS THE STANDARD FOR THE TOURS AREA AND ULTIMATELY THE NEXT COUNT THE NEXT CITY MEETINGS BOARDS ARE SET UP, FINANCIAL PLANS ARE REVIEWED, THOSE ARE THEN APPROVED.

LIKE YOU DO ON THE TUESDAY MORNINGS. AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE FINAL VOTE WILL BE SOMETIME, I THINK 1ST OF MAY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC NOTICES AND EVERYTHING THAT HAVE TO GO OUT FOR THE ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO BE BROKEN GROUND.

OKAY. SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF IF THIS BROKE DOWN IN THE CITY, THEN WE WOULD NOT FORM THESE SIRS AT ALL.

[02:40:01]

THEN THERE IS NO 26. YEAH. AND THEN AS A LAND DEVELOPER, I HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE WHETHER I GO DO HALF ACRE ACRE LOTS, WHETHER I GO CREATE A MUD DISTRICT, WHETHER I GO CREATE A MMD AND MOVE ON TO OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE BY THE STATE.

AND I HAVEN'T KEPT UP SINCE I LEFT. AND I KNOW WE WERE KIND OF IN A STATE OF FLUX WITH RESPECT TO TRUST FUND AND IMPACT FEES.

HOW DOES THIS DOVETAIL INTO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT. IF YOU QUALIFY FOR A TERM, YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH TRUST FUNDS.

YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH PARTICIPATION FUNDS. YOU DON'T QUALIFY, YOU DON'T DOUBLE DIP.

THAT IS NOT A PART OF THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM IN A SENSE.

THERE IS NO PARTICIPATION FEE DOLLARS LEFT. YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO TRUST FUND DOLLARS LEFT.

IMPACT FEES ARE I'M THE CHAIRMAN AND WE'RE HAVING OUR FINAL MEETING.

BUT ULTIMATELY, IF WE GO TO AN IMPACT FEE SYSTEM, THOSE DOLLARS AREN'T GOING TO BE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE DOLLARS IN THE BUCKET FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU, MR. MORRIS. THANK YOU. MOSES, THANKS FOR COMING IN, BRINGING THIS ITEM BEFORE US.

I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT. TAX AND REFINANCE ZONES FOR YEARS WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO ANY PART OF OUR COUNTY.

REALLY, IT CAN BE. AND IT'S USUALLY ONLY TIED INTO NEW DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THAT THAT IT COULD BE. I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, THAT YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S.

LIKE, YOU DON'T OWN OR HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THIS LAND.

LIKE THERE'S OTHERS. THERE'S PROBABLY OVER 50 LANDOWNERS IN THIS ZONE, AND AND THE ZONE CAN GET BIGGER.

THE THING IS, IS YOU'VE GOT TO START WITH THE.

SO THE FINANCIAL MODELS ARE ULTIMATELY GOING TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNT THAT CAN BE PARTICIPATED PER PROJECT.

SO THESE PROJECTS, THESE SHOVEL READY PROJECTS PAY FOR THEMSELVES NOT THE AREA.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE YOUR DOWNTOWN OR YOUR ISLAND YEARS WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE VERTICAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE PAYING TAXES, THEN PAYING FOR SOMETHING ELSE. THESE STAY WITHIN PROJECT SPECIFIC, SO YOU'LL BE APPROVING PROJECT SPECIFIC, TERS PROJECTS INSIDE THIS ZONE SO ITS MULTIPLE PEOPLE CAN COME TO THE TABLE WITH IT.

BUT ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE TO START WHERE YOU HAVE SEWER AND DRAINAGE FIRST.

YOU CAN'T GO IN THAT 87 SQUARE MILE AREA AND SAY, I'M GOING TO GO DOWN CHAPMAN RANCH WHERE THE WINDMILLS ARE, AND I WANT TO PUT IN A TERS AND GET A CITY SEWER LINE THERE, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT ARE CREATED FROM THERE TO THEN WHERE THE ACTUAL TIE IN POINT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO YOU STILL HAVE TO FILL IN FROM A CERTAIN AREA.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALSO TOUCHED ON, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY UTILITY DISTRICT AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT, IF ANYONE'S EVER LOOKED AT A MAP LIKE IN HARRIS COUNTY ESPECIALLY.

YEAH, IT'S LITTERED WITH THEM AND I AND I KNOW THAT THEY CREATED THOSE PARTICULAR REASON AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME.

IT JUST MADE SENSE. YEAH. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH OF A DIFFICULTY, IN MY OPINION, OF DEALING WITH SMALL ENTITIES THAT ARE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT FUNCTION AND HAVE ALL THE RESPONSIBILITIES. BUT THEY'RE PEPPERED EVERYWHERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER AND TRY TO WORK TOGETHER, IN MY OPINION ON THAT, IS, IS THAT THERE'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH COLLABORATION.

AND I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT COLLABORATING WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES TO MAKE THE BEST USE.

STRETCH OUT OUR TAX DOLLARS OR IN SERVICES THE MOST.

SO I LOVE THIS CONCEPT THAT THE SIZE. I LOVE THAT THERE'S AT LEAST 50 LANDOWNERS WHO CAN PARTICIPATE IN SOME FORM OF FASHION.

WITH THIS. IT'S NOT ONLY TO BENEFIT YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THAT I HAD.

SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING THESE, THESE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST THE ONE TRYING TO TAKE THE LEAD TO TRY TO REALLY KIND OF GET THIS JUMPSTARTED AND EXPAND TO SOME GREATER OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR COUNTY.

SO I LOVE THAT CONCEPT. AND SO FOR, FOR OUR NOTICE AND FOR ANYONE WHO'S WATCHING TODAY, COUNTING THIS MEETING, HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS GONE BEFORE ANY GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS PROPOSED SEVEN? WELL, THE BRIEFING JUST RECENTLY WAS AT THE CITY.

I KNOW THE COUNTY AND THE CITY HAVE PROBABLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR ROUGHLY SIX MONTHS.

AGAIN, WE WERE GOING TO DO AN MD FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SHORTCHANGE ANY ENTITY, WE DECIDED TO WAIT. WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS, MAKE IT A LARGER AREA, ALLOW MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS TO KIND OF EXPAND

[02:45:06]

I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST OPPORTUNITIES, OPEN CANVAS AREA THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY.

AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S KIND OF BEEN OUR GOAL. BUT AS FAR AS IT BEING IN FRONT OF Y'ALL, THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME IN THE CITY AS WELL.

GOT A BRIEFING ON THIS NOW, THE CITY WAS A PART OF THIS IN DECEMBER WHEN WE BROUGHT FORWARD THIS, THIS CONCEPT. BUT ELECTIONS HAPPENED AND OBVIOUSLY OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE CITY ARE STILL GOING ON.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE ON A TIME CRUNCH.

WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED I WON'T SAY THE NUMBER, BUT A LOT OF MONEY TO GET PLANS AND PROCESSES AND OPTIONS READY, AND WE NEED TO MOVE IT FORWARD. AND I DON'T WANT TO GO BACKWARDS.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS AREA NOT HAVE ITS FULL POTENTIAL.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO DO AN MMD OR A MUD, BUT THOSE ARE JUST OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE WHICH ULTIMATELY LIMIT REALLY THE HATE USING THE WORD CONTROL BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORD MARK SCOTT USED THE OTHER DAY.

BUT IT'S MORE TO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE AND COMMUNICATE WITH EVERYBODY SO THAT THIS AREA CAN WORK OUT THE BEST.

WELL, I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES, AND SOMETIMES THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION OR DON'T REALIZE UNTIL NEWS COVERAGE COMES UP AND THEN IT'S THE FIRST TIME TO THEM.

SO I WAS REALLY TRYING TO GET TO THAT. THIS IS NOT A PROCESS THAT'S BEEN OPERATING IN A VACUUM.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT'S BEEN ON AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC AGENDAS, AND SO IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME BACK AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME WITH THE CITY AND POTENTIALLY ONE MORE TIME WITH US.

SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S NEW TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBER DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NEW, RIGHT? AND DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS HASN'T BEEN VETTED OR IT'S CONTINUE TO BE VETTED. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME TWEAKS THAT YOU'VE HAD TO MAKE TO THIS, OR AT LEAST TRY TO READDRESS OR CLARIFY. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO STRESS THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ALREADY.

WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS COMING UP ON OUR AGENDA.

AND SO TO HAVE YOU HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT.

AND SO I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET BOGGED DOWN AS I'M SURE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE YOUR TIME FRAMES THAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD FOR THAT BASED ON YOUR YOUR INVESTMENT THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DISCOVERING THAT IT'S AN ISSUE, IT'S BEEN ONGOING. IT'S BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED.

AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WE WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO NEED PUBLIC INPUT.

BUT YOU'VE YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF YOUR OWN HOMEWORK AND PRESENTED IT TO US.

SO AND TO COUNCIL. SO THIS IS IT'S NOT NOTHING NEW.

SO WHEN IT DOES COME FOR POTENTIALLY A FINAL VOTE THEN WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THE HOMEWORK.

WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS AND IT'S READY TO GO BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US AGAIN.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. YES. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

AND I KNOW I'VE MET WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THAT IT HAD EXPANDED, WAS STILL JUST BEING FARMLAND TO INCLUDE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS SO THAT THEY COULD BENEFIT WITH THIS TOO.

AND THEN THE 50% SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. I KNOW I'M PROBABLY THE LEAST FRIENDLY OF THE MEMBERS ON TOURS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FINANCIAL SITUATION THE COUNTY'S BEEN IN AND THE PAST FEW YEARS.

BUT GOING FROM NOTHING TO POTENTIALLY HAVING SOMETHING REALLY IS WHAT I WANTED TO STICK WITH.

I THINK YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB, YOU HAVE PRESENTED IT GREAT, AND I'M HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL.

AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. YES, MA'AM.

YES. JUST QUICKLY. YEAH. AND I THINK COMMISSIONER MONIZ WAS ALLUDING TO WE'VE SPENT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS I'VE SPENT WORKING ON THIS. IT'S GONE ON AND ON AD NAUSEAM, QUITE HONESTLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, MOSES JUMPING IN AND TAKING, YOU KNOW, THE LEAD ON THIS.

AND I WANT TO POINT OUT WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO THE COURT THE THE JUDGE IMMEDIATELY TO HER CREDIT SAID CAN ONLY SHOULD ONLY BE HER OPINION WAS SHOULD ONLY BE UNDEVELOPED AREA.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE REAL VALUE IN THIS ONE FOR THE COUNTY IS.

THE CITY STILL BENEFITS MORE BY FAR ON THIS THAN WE DO, BUT THE COUNTY DOES HAVE MORE BENEFIT IN THIS ONE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES, BECAUSE OF SO MUCH UNDEVELOPED AREA THAT'S IN THIS AREA.

AND BECAUSE THIS THIS COURT, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE PASSED A SPECIFIC MORATORIUM ON NO MORE ANNEXATION OF COUNTY ROADS UNTIL THE SEPTIC ISSUE WAS TAKEN CARE OF, BECAUSE THE CITY IS RESPECTFULLY FORCING PEOPLE TO ANNEX IF THEY WANT WATER, BUT NOT PROVIDING SEWER IN A LOT OF THESE AREAS.

THIS TAKES CARE OF A LOT OF THAT BECAUSE SEPTIC, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY WHO HAS A SEPTIC COMPANY, BUT I DON'T WANT LONDON DEVELOPING IN IN A SEPTIC TYPE SITUATION AND A SEPTIC SYSTEM.

[02:50:08]

AND CERTAINLY HE'S RIGHT ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE COUNTY ROADS AND RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE IN THAT AREA.

THAT'S A BIG DEAL. SO THIS ONE OF ALL THE TERRACES HAS MORE VALUE TO THE COUNTY.

AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, THE CITY STILL BENEFITS WAY, WAY MORE THAN WE DO.

BECAUSE IF HE DID PROVIDE THE MUD AND THE PIT AND BELIEVE ME, I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASKING ME ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE JUST KEEP IT ALL IN THE COUNTY AND, YOU KNOW, I GET IT.

BUT BECAUSE IF WE KEEP IT ON THE COUNTY, THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND WE'RE STUCK WITH MAINTAINING THE ROADS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE UNIQUE ONES THAT THAT WHILE THE CITY HAS WAY MORE BENEFIT THAN WE DO, WE DO GET BENEFIT OUT OF THIS ONE BECAUSE WE GET WE GET IT OFF SEPTIC.

AND THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE DEVIL IN THE DETAIL LANGUAGE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS. BUT BUT WE THERE IS SOMETHING THERE.

AND AND SO I DO THINK THE COUNTY JUDGE FOR HER ROLE IN THIS, BECAUSE SHE DEFINITELY JUMPED ON MAKING SURE THAT THIS WAS DEVELOPABLE, UNDEVELOPED LAND ONLY AND UNDEVELOPED AREAS ONLY.

AND I APPRECIATE MOSES POINTING OUT THAT THE 50 DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY, THAT HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND IN THIS AREA THAT CAN APPLY, THEY'VE GOT TO QUALIFY AND THEY'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE HOOPS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. SO LOTS OF STUDIES, THE STUDIES. RIGHT.

AND SO BUT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. AND IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS THAT THAT CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS IF THEY HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THEIR PROPERTY YET.

SO THIS THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

AGAIN. I COULD SPEND ANOTHER HOUR TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE AND I'LL JUST ADD ONE POINT COMMISSIONERS THE BEST POINT OF THIS IS THERE'S NOBODY THAT CAN BE A PART OF THE ZONE, OR NOBODY IS A PART OF THE ZONE IF THEY'VE ALREADY ANNEXED.

BUT NOBODY CAN BE IN THE ZONE IF THEY DON'T ANNEX.

SO THE ZONE IS HYPOTHETICAL IN THE SENSE IT SETS THE STANDARD.

BUT ULTIMATELY, ONCE THEY GET TO THEIR SHOVEL READY PROJECTS, THEY THEY WILL COME WITH THEIR FINANCIAL MODELS AND PLANS, AS WE WILL BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND ULTIMATELY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN THE CITY.

BUT YOU WILL GET IT ANNEXED AND IT WILL BE IN THE CITY OF LIMITS.

AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE SEWER BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S A PART OF IT.

SO IF YOU'RE IN THE CITY, YOU CAN'T BE ON SEPTIC, RIGHT? SO THAT'S A BIG, BIG DEAL. YEAH. SO THAT'S A BIG DEAL TO GET TO GET THIS GOING, TO GET THIS DONE.

SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. LIKEWISE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TAKE THIS INTO EXECUTIVE? I NEED WELL, I GUESS WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A MOTION.

I JUST NEED A UNANIMOUS VOTE TO TAKE IT IN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF BRINGING THIS INTO EXECUTIVE, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU MAKE THE MOTION AND MAKE THE MOTION THAT OR THE DISCUSSION? YES, THAT IT MIGHT BE DETRIMENTAL. TWO. FIVE.

ZERO. ARE YOU MAKING THAT MOTION, OR DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? WELL, YEAH.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU CAN ADD YOUR ITEM. GO AHEAD.

I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION UNDER THAT SECTION THAT IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO NOT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION BUSINESS.

YES. I'LL SECOND TO YOUR MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. AYE. I OPPOSE THE MOTION IS UNANIMOUS. WE WILL TAKE THAT INTO EXECUTIVE.

SO MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS YOURS AS WELL, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

[11. Discuss and consider a Nueces County Policy creating a temporary moratorium on any and all new Tax Increment Reinvestment Zones (TIRZ) not requested of Nueces County as of June 15, 2025 and all related matters. No new TIRZ will be considered until the Commissioners Court develops a standard policy on the creation of and requirements for TIRZ creation and participation by Nueces County. ]

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY BE JUDGED TODAY IS JUST REALLY A CONSIDERATION OF CREATING A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON ANY AND ALL NEW TAX REINVESTMENT ZONES THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN REQUESTED BY NUECES COUNTY AS OF JUNE 15TH, 2025. MEANING THAT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY MORE OUT THERE, BUT UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A POLICY, WE WE DON'T ACCEPT ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ANY OTHERS THAN THE ONES WE HAVE BEFORE US, WHICH IS NUMBER SEVEN.

I'M HAPPY IF THE COURT WANTS TO TAKE A SHOT AT BRINGING THAT BACK, AS SO IN CIRCULATING IT FOR THE COURT TO SEE.

SO THIS IS JUST BASICALLY SAYING UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A POLICY, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY MORE.

IT JUST LIKE WE DID ON THE STREET WITH THE COUNTY ROADS.

IT'S THE SAME EXACT PROCESS WE DID. WE ALLOWED THE ONES THAT WERE IN THE PIPELINE TO GO THROUGH, BUT WE SAID NO MORE COUNTY ROADS CAN BE ANNEXED UNTIL THE CITY COMES UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO DEAL WITH THE DRAINAGE OR THE SEWER ISSUE OUT THERE.

SO THAT'S ALL THIS IS, TEMPORARY MORATORIUM UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A POLICY.

THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION AS STATED IN ITEM NUMBER 11.

AND ALSO, WOULD YOU SPEARHEAD THE POLICY DISCUSSION FOR FUTURE FOR IT TO COME IN? I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, JUDGE, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COURT WANTS ME TO DO. AND. NO, LET THEM HAVE IT.

[02:55:02]

NO THANK YOU. I SECOND THAT MOTION. JUST SOME DISCUSSION.

SO IF THERE IS A, A A PROPOSAL FOR NUMBER EIGHT THAT IT CAN HAPPEN JUST AFTER WE GET THIS POLICY WORKED OUT. RIGHT. OKAY. NINE 1012 WHATEVER. WHATEVER.

PUTTING THIS OFF FOREVER. THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADDRESS. IT'S A TEMPORARY. YES. RIGHT. GOTCHA.

ALL RIGHT. NOT LIKE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON, THEN, TO I. AND JUST FOR NOTES TO THAT, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IS GOING TO

[13. Discuss and consider upcoming Commissioners Court meeting date(s), workshop date(s), and related matters.]

AND I HAVE IN MY NOTES. COMMISSIONER, WE WANT TO RECESS ON OUR SEPTEMBER 10TH BUDGET MEETING FOR THE STATE OF THE UNIVERSITY. I KNOW QUITE A FEW OF US WILL BE WANTING TO ATTEND.

I KNOW IT'S A VERY BIG MEETING AND AN IMPORTANT MEETING, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO WILL BE ATTENDING THAT SEPTEMBER 10TH.

JUDGE. YES. FOR COMMISSIONER. OH, COMMISSIONER.

WHICH MEETING IS THAT NOW? SEPTEMBER 10TH. SEPTEMBER 10TH.

THAT'S OUR BUDGET MEETING. BUT IT'S ALSO THE STATE OF THE KNOW.

THAT'S A COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING, JUDGE. IT'S THE COMMISSIONERS. BUT IT'S WHEN WE VOTE ON THE BUDGET.

I'M SORRY. SORRY. IT'S NOT OUR BUDGET MEETING.

IT'S WHEN WE VOTE ON EVERYTHING. YES. SO IT'S A CITY.

STATE OF THE UNIVERSITY. UNIVERSITY? YES. AND IT ALWAYS HAPPENS THAT WAY.

AND EVERY YEAR I ALWAYS BRING IT UP. AND I MEAN, THESE ARE TYPICALLY LONG MEETINGS FOR US.

SO I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO ATTEND. BUT IF WE JUST CAN'T, I MEAN, WE SHOULD JUST BE AWARE THAT WE MAY WANT TO ASK FOR THAT.

BUT AS WE GET CLOSER, WE MAY SEE THAT. I THINK WE WILL HAVE A BEAR OF A BUDGET TO DEAL WITH, SO WE MAY NOT WANT TO BREAK. WE ARE GOING TO JUST NEED TO WORK THROUGH IT SO IF WE CAN.

DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE FOR US TO BREAK FOR TWO HOURS TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL AND GO AND PARTICIPATE, SUPPORT THE UNIVERSITY DOCTOR MILLER AND ALL THE WORK THEY'RE DOING AND THEN COME BACK. BUT THAT TWO HOURS IS TWO HOURS WE CAN SPEND IN HERE CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS.

THAT MEETING SOMETIMES GOES UNTIL LATE. I THINK IT'S GONE VERY LATE A FEW TIMES.

SO THAT MEANS SO I KEEP IT ON YOUR RADAR. BUT YEAH, I THEN WE ONLY ONLY DECIDE THAT AT A TIME.

OKAY. IF WE DON'T HAVE A BAD BUDGET, WHICH. YES, LET'S LET'S HOPE.

MOVING ON TO ITEM B1, COASTAL PARKS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE RESTORE ACT GRANT FUNDS.

[1. Discuss and consider approving funding source (RESTORE Act Grant funds), method of procurement IFB (Invitation for Bids) and authorize Purchasing Agent to publish notices for the following projects: 1. I.B. Magee Park Expansion Project 2. Padre Balli RV Park Expansion Project]

BUT IT'S GOING TO. IT'S GOING TO. IT'S GOING TO BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE COASTAL PARTS FOR SURE.

IT'S GOING TO DOUBLE AND POSSIBLY TRIPLE ONE OF THE PARKS AT PADRE BAY.

AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO DOUBLE IBM. MCGEE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST PERMISSION FOR A METHOD OF PROCUREMENT RIGHT NOW.

AND WE'LL PUT THAT OUT IN THE STREETS. ONCE I GET THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT APPROVED BY Y'ALL.

I STILL HAVE TO WAIT ON TREASURY TO GIVE ME NOTICE TO PROCEED FOR CONSTRUCTION.

AND ALL THE PERMITTING IS DONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A CITY BUILDING PERMIT.

SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO. BUT IT'S JUST IT'S A LONG PROCESS.

IT'S JUST IT'S EVEN LONGER THAN YOUR ARPA MONEY PROCESS.

SO. BUT IF Y'ALL APPROVE, I'LL GET WITH PURCHASING.

WE'LL GET THE IFB SET OF PLANS OUT AND GET GOING.

I WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION, BUT I DO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION TO JUDGE. BUT I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO TO CONSIDER THIS AND TO TO APPROVE THIS.

SORRY. THANK YOU. SO IT TOOK IT ACTUALLY, WHEN I WROTE THIS THING BACK IN 2016.

I'M NOT KIDDING YOU. IT. HANG ON A SECOND. I THINK WE NEED A SECOND.

FIRST. OH, SECOND. SORRY, SORRY. I WAS JUST ANSWERING ANOTHER THING.

SORRY. OKAY. SORRY. YES. GO AHEAD. SO IT TOOK ME.

THIS IS NO EXAGGERATION. IT TOOK ME THREE WEEKS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO WRITE THIS THING.

AND OUT OF ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED IN BUCKET ONE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS OF THE RESTORE ACT.

THERE WERE OVER 3 BILLION APPLICANTS AND APPLICANTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, AND ONLY 114 MILLION THAT WAS AWARDED.

SO IT WAS EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE. SO WE DID A GOOD JOB.

WHAT'S THE TOTAL ON THIS ONE SCOTT 7.5. RIGHT.

SO JUDGE I THINK THIS IS GOD BLESS. I THINK THIS IS TRULY A TESTAMENT TO ENDURANCE BECAUSE YOU HEARD THE TIME FRAME ON THIS.

I'M JUST GLAD THAT WE'RE BOTH STILL HERE, SCOTT, TO SEE THIS HAPPENING.

THIS IS A BIG DEAL. BECAUSE IT WILL. THESE ARE REVENUE GENERATORS, $7.5 MILLION.

THAT WILL THAT. THAT COMES OUT OF GRANT MONEY AND WE WILL GET ALL OF THE REVENUE.

[03:00:01]

AND SCOTT. WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME ON? I HAVE TO BE DONE WITH EVERYTHING BY FEBRUARY OF 2027.

I'VE BEEN WAITING ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S MESSED UP THE WAY THIS THIS.

THIS IS A BROKEN PROGRAM. I'LL JUST BE STRAIGHT UP WITH YOU. IF THEY JUST BLOCK GRANT THE MONEY DOWN TO THE STATE AGENCY OR THE COUNTY, WE'D BE A LOT BETTER, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD WHAT WE COULD HAVE BUILT IN 2018 WITH 7.5 MILLION.

SO THANK GOD WE'VE GOT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE CAN TIE INTO.

THANK GOD WE'VE GOT ALL THE PERMITTING AND ENVIRONMENTAL ALREADY DONE. SO THAT'S OUT OF THE WAY.

SO BUT I THINK THIS WILL BE BUILT BY IT'S GOT TO BE DONE BY FEBRUARY OF 2021.

DO YOU THINK THAT ONE'S A REALITY? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO OBVIOUSLY FACTOR THINGS INTO OUR BUDGET. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR BECAUSE THERE'LL BE YOU'LL HAVE IB MCGEE DONE IN 2026 AND THEN PROBABLY MID 2026.

AND THEN YOU'LL MOVE TO PADRE TO FINISH OUT THE REST OF IT, BECAUSE WE GOT TO WAIT FOR CALLEN TO GET OUT OF THE WAY WHERE THEIR LAY DOWN YARD IS.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHT? SO YOUR PIER WILL BE DONE. YOUR BISCO KING PAVILION WILL BE DONE, YOUR RV PARKS WILL BE EXPANDED, AND YOU'LL BE FILTHY RICH.

YEAH, YEAH. ANYWAY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

GO AHEAD. Y'ALL DONE? OKAY, SO SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE.

SCOTT, FOR THE $7.5 MILLION WILL EXPAND THE NUMBER OF RV SITES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND THE SAME TYPE OF DESIGN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WE KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE SITES, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO QUESTION THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE WE HAVE WITH OUR SITES, BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC LIKE HAVING THAT SPACE.

THEY DON'T LIKE BEING CRAMMED UP AGAINST EACH OTHER. ALL OF OUR PAD SITES ARE 90 FOOT LONG, LONGER THAN MOST RV PARKS WHERE YOU CAN GET YOUR RV ON THERE, YOUR CAR AND YOUR TOW VEHICLE AND YOUR BOAT.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THAT SAME CONCEPT.

WE'LL GIVE A, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER RESTROOM SHOWER FACILITY TO SERVE THESE NEW EXPANDED AREAS.

FORTUNATELY TK CAME BACK TO ME OUTSIDE OF THIS AWARD.

IT'S AN AMENDMENT I GOT TO BRING BACK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF COURTS.

THEY GAVE ME ADDITIONAL $315,000. SO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD AN OUTDOOR OPEN AIR PAVILION FOR THE CAMPERS AT I.B..

MCGEE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE IN THE DYNAMICS AND THE METRICS OF WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL WRITTEN GRANT PROPOSAL THAT WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO DO ANYMORE. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BASE BID, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ALL THESE ADDITIVE ALTERNATES.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BIDS COME IN, WE'LL GO DOWN A LA CARTE AND SAY, YEAH, WE CAN DO THIS.

WE CAN'T DO THAT ONE. WE'LL DO THIS ONE. YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT ASKING THESE QUESTIONS TO BE CRITICAL. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO HAVE WE DONE A PROFIT AND LOSS STATEMENT ON ON EXACTLY WHAT COMES IN AS A RESULT OF THESE? YEAH. ACTUALLY, IF YOU REMEMBER MY BUDGET PRESENTATION, I'VE BEEN WORKING THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU TO GIVE YOU THE GRANULAR DETAIL OF WHAT THE RV PARKS ARE PRODUCING. RV PARKS ARE RUNNING RIGHT NOW, 92% OCCUPANCY YEAR ROUND.

AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE BUILDING STORAGE UNITS. ONCE YOU BUILD IT AND YOU YOU RECOVER WHAT YOU PUT IN FOR, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION, THEY JUST THEY JUST PAY FOR THEMSELVES.

AND SO RIGHT NOW I'M WORKING ON THE DOLLAR PER SITE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

WITH THESE ADDITIONAL REVENUE GOES TO THE PARKS BOARD.

THAT REVENUE COMES IN AND IT GOES INTO WE WRITE A CHECK EVERY MONTH FROM OUR AMERICAN BANK ACCOUNT THAT GOES TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, WHERE THEY DO WHAT THEY DO WITH IT. AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT ALL THAT MONEY IS, IS WAREHOUSED SOMEWHERE, AND THEN IT SHOWS UP THE NEXT FOLLOWING YEAR TO OFFSET MY OPERATING COSTS.

OKAY. SO THAT'S MY POINT. SO IT'S NOT GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

IT'S GOING TO GO BACK INTO ONLY PRECINCT FOUR.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL IT GOES BACK INTO COASTAL PARKS BUDGET.

SO WHEN I COME TO YOU AND I SAY OKAY, HERE'S MY BUDGET.

THAT'S NOT WAIT. HOLD ON. THAT'S NOT EXACTLY RIGHT, TERESA. YOU WANT TO DO THIS FOR US? I MEAN, NOT NOT WRONG, BUT.

THEN YOUR MICROPHONE. YES. ARE YOU JUST REFERRING TO YOUR OPERATING COSTS IN THE COASTAL PARKS? TRANSFER THE TRANSFER. DO YOU WANT TO 80? NO.

I MEAN, HOW Y'ALL. THE REVENUE THAT I MAKE, WHEREVER IT'S SITTING, WHETHER IT'S WELLS FARGO ACCOUNT OR WHEREVER IT GOES, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES, WHEREVER IT'S SITTING. THAT REVENUE THEN COMES BACK IN TO 180, PARTICULARLY ONE 8181 IS PART CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ACCOUNT.

THERE'S A PERCENT OF ALL SALES THAT GOES INTO 181, WHICH IS REALLY YOUR KIND OF YOUR YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ACCOUNT.

AND THEN 182, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL THAT WORKED OUT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S CURRENTLY BOB HOPE HERE. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'LL SUPPORT ITSELF ONCE IT GETS GOING.

BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT THAN THE RV PARK. RIGHT? BUT ALL THE REVENUE STAYS IN COASTAL PARK.

YES, IT STAYS WITHIN 180 BUDGET. BUT WE STILL SUBSIDIZE FROM THE GENERAL FUND A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

SO THERE'S X AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED BY THE COASTAL PARKS ASSET.

IT DOESN'T. THE REVENUE GENERATED DOESN'T COVER ALL THE EXPENSES.

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SO THE GOAL FOR COASTAL PARKS IS TO EVENTUALLY GET MORE AND MORE REVENUE SO THAT IT'S LESS AND LESS COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND HE NEEDS TO HE'S WORKING ON IT.

HE'S GOING TO GET IT TO YOU. BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS A ZERO EXPENSE.

CAPITAL WISE. RIGHT. THE ONLY EXPENSE WILL BE THE PEOPLE THAT IT COSTS TO RUN IT.

SO THEN BUT THE REVENUE SHOULD FAR OUT, FAR EXCEED SHOULD HE'S WORKING ON THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD FAR EXCEED BECAUSE WE HAVE ZERO INTO THIS.

RIGHT. THE 7.5 MILLION IN COMING OUT OF THE COUNTY'S MONEY.

IT'S COMING OUT OF THIS RESTORE GRANT. SO WE'RE STARTING WITH A ZERO BASELINE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

THEN HE'S GOING TO GO FACTOR IN THE EXPENSES TO RUN IT ARE GOING TO BE THESE FOUR PEOPLE OR THESE FIVE PEOPLE OR THESE WHATEVER.

THEN HE'S GOING TO SHOW YOU THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS, WHICH SHOULD BE WAY MORE THAN THE EXPENSES.

SO THAT'S GOING TO THEN HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER BACK TO COASTAL PARKS.

OKAY. IT'S LIKE EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT IN NUECES COUNTY.

VERY FEW DEPARTMENTS MAKE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE IT. RIGHT. BUT THEY GENERATE A TON OF REVENUE COMPARED TO MOST DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS HAVE.

RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT PAPER FOR US TO.

YEAH, YEAH. Y'ALL JUST BROUGHT THAT UP IN MY BUDGET HEARING.

HE'S WORKING ON. YES. SO YEAH, I MEAN IT'S WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, COMMISSIONER PUGSLEY, I THINK I SAID IT LAST IN MY BUDGET PRESENTATION, WE GENERATED 2 MILLION LAST YEAR. MY BUDGET WAS 3.2.

SO THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU SUPPLEMENTED ME.

BUT NOT NOT BREAKING IT DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CREATING A LARGER SPACE, YOU'RE HAVING TO GET ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES. BUT BEING ABLE TO SHOW THAT EVEN THIS SECTION IS PAYING FOR ITSELF WITH THE AND NOT BECAUSE YOU CAN GROW SO MUCH THAT IT MAY ADDITIONALLY COST MORE MONEY IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE VEHICLES, MULTIPLE PEOPLE, EVERYTHING TAKING CARE OF AGING, INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF YOU IF YOU SHOW A PROFIT AND LOSS ON WHAT THIS SECTION IS OR WHAT THAT'S GOING TO CREATE, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HELP US ALL IN THE LONG.

OKAY. YEAH. AND I'M ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT.

I'VE I'VE, I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND MY STAFF.

WE'RE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. I WANT TO GET YOU TO A GRANULAR GRANULAR LEVEL BECAUSE YOU ASKED ABOUT THE PEER, BOTH PEERS, AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE RV PARKS JUST BEFORE I BROUGHT THIS TO YOU.

SO I'M WORKING ON THAT FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. JUST THOSE.

THAT'D BE PERFECT. YEAH. I'LL BE MCGEE. IS THAT GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL PARKS? YEAH. YEP. RV PARKS, TENT CAMPING. THE THING THAT WE DON'T HAVE AT IBM RIGHT NOW IS ANY TENT CAMPING AT ALL.

AND OTHER THAN THE STATE PARK, ONE OF THE FEW PUBLIC PARKS THAT STILL SUPPORTS TENT CAMPING, THERE ARE A LOT OF FAMILIES OUT THERE LIKE THE CAR CAMP, YOU KNOW, GO TENT CAMPING. WE COULDN'T AFFORD TO RECOVER THAT AFTER HURRICANE HARVEY.

WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T EVEN RECOVER THE NUMBER OF SITES WE HAD BEFORE HARVEY.

SO WE DID WHAT WE COULD WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SCOTT. OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSE? THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO.

[2. Discuss and consider approving the award and execution of an ARPA-funded Agreement with Nationwide Trailers, LLC, in the amount of $10,327, for purchase of a 2024 Delco Trailer for Coastal Parks Equipment.]

YOU HAVE FINALLY FOUND THE 2024 DELCO TRAILER FOR COASTAL PARKS EQUIPMENT.

RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND APPROVAL. SECOND, THAT MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SCOTT. OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. MOVING ON TO GRANTS FOR OR DO YOU ALL WANT TO CONTINUE, OR DO YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE GO INTO GRANTS? SO, I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? LIKE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION? WELL, LUNCH, EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHATEVER. IT'S 12, 15 LUNCHES HERE.

SOME OF THESE MIGHT TAKE SOME DISCUSSION. THE SECOND THE WHICH THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WHEN WE COME BACK, THIS MIGHT TAKE SOME LENGTHY TIME.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LENGTHY. AND EVEN IF WE DON'T, I THINK I NEED TO TAKE A RECESS FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

UNLESS Y'ALL DON'T, WE CAN GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION IF YOU WANT TO JUMP. OKAY, WE'LL JUMP AHEAD. I'M SORRY.

YOU GUYS THAT ARE HERE WAITING. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU AS SOON AS WE GET BACK FROM THE EXECUTIVES. SO QUICK.

WHATEVER. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO TO EXECUTIVE.

[4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.]

PUBLIC NOTICE IS GIVEN THAT COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY ELECT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ANY TIME DURING THE MEETING TO DISCUSS MATTERS LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA.

WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER FIVE FIVE, ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

TO THE EXTENT THERE HAS BEEN A PAST PRACTICE OF DISTINGUISHING ITEMS FOR PUBLIC DELIBERATION AND THOSE FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE PUBLIC IS ADVISED THAT THE COURT IS DEPARTING FROM THAT PRACTICE AND RESERVES THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS ANY LISTED AGENDA ITEM IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO DO SO, AND THE EVENT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ELECTS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING AN AGENDA ITEM.

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THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS, INCLUDING MATTERS RELATED TO LITIGATION DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, PROSPECTIVE GIFTS, PERSONNEL MATTERS INCLUDING TERMINATION, COUNTY ADVISORY BODIES, SECURITY DEVICES AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UPON COMPLETION OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY, IN AN OPEN SESSION, TAKE SUCH ACTIONS AS APPROPRIATE ON ITEMS DISCUSSED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ITEM MAY TODAY'S CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING LEGAL MATTERS RELATING TO LEASE SPACE AT THE NUECES COUNTY AIRPORT AND RELATED MATTERS.

TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 ITEM B CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON LEGAL MATTERS REGARDING THE JUNE 30TH, 2025 DEMAND OF DEBORAH KAMENICA AND RELATED MATTERS.

TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 AND THEN THREE 318 WE VOTED TO BRING INTO EXECUTIVE AND THAT IS THE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND NUECES COUNTY REGARDING THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER SEVEN AND RELATED MATTERS, WHICH CODE IS I HAVE 551.07450725551.0725. IT IS A 1217. WE WILL BE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND HAVING LUNCH.

WE SHOULD BE BACK HOPEFULLY WITH OUR AN HOUR AND A HALF MAX.

IT'S A SHORT ONE SO THANK YOU. RECORDING. THANK YOU EDWARD.

IT IS 134 AND WE ARE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM B AND EXECUTIVE TO DENY THE CLAIM OF DEBORAH KAMENICA. I MAKE THE MOTION TO INSTRUCT OUR ATTORNEYS TO DENY THE CLAIM.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSE? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THERE'S NO OTHER ACTION FOR TODAY. ARE THERE ANY ADJOURNMENTS IN MEMORY GRANTS? WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC WORK. OH, WE GOTTA DO THAT.

OH, GOSH. WE'RE BACK. EXCUSE ME. I THOUGHT WE WERE THROUGH THE MEETING.

WE'RE READY. WISHFUL THINKING. I THOUGHT 2:00.

NO WONDER I THOUGHT WE WERE THROUGH. YEAH, WE HAVE GRANTS.

WE STILL GOTTA DO DSL. WE HAVE BOTH OPENINGS.

OH MY GOSH. PLEASE DO NOT MENTION THAT WORD IN THIS PLACE.

COME ON. DON'T DO THAT. HEY, NO NEED TO BE UGLY.

YEAH. OKAY. MOVING ON TO. I DON'T SEE. THANK YOU.

[1. Discuss and consider the rental agreement between Nueces County and Oliver Packaging and Equipment and all other matters.]

TWO GRANTS, ITEM NUMBER ONE, AND YOU ARE FRONT AND CENTER DISCUSSING.

CONSIDER THE RENTAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN NUECES COUNTY AND OLIVER PACKAGING AND EQUIPMENT.

I WAS GIVEN A BRIEFING ON THIS. THIS IS JUST FOR THE SEEDLING, THE MACHINE FOR HOME DELIVERY MEALS.

AND IT'S WITHIN THE BUDGET. WE ALREADY HAVE THIS, SO I MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE I ANY OPPOSE.

THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NOW ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.

[2. Discuss and approve repayment to the Texas Division of Emergency Management in the amount of $868,190.45 for excess funds received for COVID-19 Vaccinations Administration, and related matters.]

AND THE AMOUNT OF $868,190.45 FOR EXCESS FUNDS RECEIVED FOR COVID 19 VACCINATION, ADMINISTRATION AND RELATED MATTERS.

NOW, 450 K OF THAT IS EXCESS FUNDS THAT WE TRIED TO SEND THE PAYMENT BACK.

THE PAYMENT GOT LOST. SO WE ARE CANCELING THAT PAYMENT AND DOING THIS ALL TOGETHER IN ONE.

THE REST OF THAT PAYMENT IS FOR NON APPROVED CLAIMS THAT WE TURNED IN.

CORRECT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION.

MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

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AND FOR FRIDAY. AND I'LL CONTACT THE CHIEF OF THE CHIEF.

AND HE WAS WILLING TO COME AND PICK IT UP HIMSELF AND DELIVER IT TO AUSTIN.

SO WE DON'T SO WE DON'T LOSE IT AGAIN. BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK.

THIS IS DEFINITELY THINGS THAT WE WON'T BE REIMBURSED FOR.

THAT THESE ARE CLEAR. THIS IS CLOSING OUT THIS ACCOUNT.

THIS IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD OWE OR WE WILL OWE BACK ON THE VACCINATIONS FOR CORRECT AND COVID.

YES. CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO THERE AND THERE WAS TWO ONE FOR THE VACCINATIONS, WHICH IS A 145.

AND THEN THE NON VACCINATION WHICH WAS 1136. SO WE'VE RECEIVED THE FUNDING FOR YES YES.

AND AUDITOR'S OFFICE IS AWARE THAT CHECK WAS LOST AND WE ARE NOT DUPLICATING ANYTHING.

WE ARE CANCELING THAT ONE AND MOVING FORWARD WITH ONE TOTAL CHECK FOR THE EIGHT, 6890 AND $0.45.

JUDGE. EXCUSE ME, CAN WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT HASN'T CLEARED THE BANK? THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YES. AND CAN WE CHECK BEFORE IT DOES? YES, YES, IT'S OUTSTANDING AS FAR AS I KNOW. BUT IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING TO CHECK FOR ME.

I'M SORRY. PRIOR TO REISSUING, THE AUDIT DEPARTMENT ALWAYS ASKED US TO PUT A STOP PAYMENT OR TO VERIFY THAT THE CHECK HAS NOT CLEARED AT THE BEGINNING BEFORE REISSUING. SO I THINK VERIFYING IT HASN'T CLEARED AND PUTTING A STOP PAYMENT ON THAT CHECK IS BOTH.

YES. YES. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE VOID REISSUE.

SO THIS WOULD BE ON THE EXCEPTION RUN. IMMEDIATELY.

IMMEDIATELY. YES. THEY COULD RUN IT FRIDAY. YES, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS.

THEY'VE BEEN WAITING ON THIS TRICK. SO WE WANT THIS TO BE DONE VERY QUICKLY.

YES. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

HONORE. PUBLIC WORKS. YOU'RE UP. ITEM D ONE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER SELECTION OF HANDSOME PROFESSIONAL

[1. Discuss and consider selection of Hanson Professional Services, Inc.; approve an Engineer Master Services Contract; and approve Work Authorization No. 1 for development of a scope of work related to demolition of Old Nueces County Courthouse; and related matters.]

JUDGE WORK FORCE IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND, THAT MOTION AS WELL. AND JUST TO INFORM THE COURT, THIS WILL ALLOW HANSEN TO GO INTO THE OLD COURTHOUSE AND START PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN FOR DEMOLITION.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A DEMOLITION COMPANY WITH THEM AND START MAPPING OUT A PLAN OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK AND HOW IT WOULD HAPPEN.

AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE COURT. SO AT THAT POINT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THEY WOULD PUT TOGETHER ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS AND WHATNOT, AND WE COULD GO OUT FOR BID. AND FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, I BELIEVE WE HAD TO CHANGE THIS TO A BECAUSE HANSEN WAS ALREADY ON A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT. BUT THAT WAS PART OF OUR ARPA DESIGNATION WITH THE TWO CFR, AND IT WAS SUGGESTED TO US TO DO THIS ONE SEPARATELY TO CREATE A SEPARATE ONE THAT HAD THE GUIDELINES.

NOW AND ONCE AGAIN, WE WORK TO MAKE THIS SORT OF A TEMPLATE THAT WE CAN REUSE FOR OTHER MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS AS WELL.

YES, GOOD. GOOD PLAN. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER, FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER TWO. DISCUSSING.

[2. Discuss and consider approving a funding source; and authorize and approve a Repair Work Order with ThyssenKrupp Elevator (TKE) for the repair of Nueces County Jail Elevator No. 8, under Omnia Partners Cooperative Contract No. R200502, contingent upon review and approval by the County Attorney and all related matters.]

ELEVATOR NUMBER EIGHT UNDER THE OMNIA PARTNERS COOPERATIVE CONTRACT CONTINGENT UPON REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND ALL RELATED MATTERS. SO IS THIS A NEW CONTRACT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? JUDGING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS FOR FIXING ELEVATOR NUMBER EIGHT.

IT'S BEEN OUT OF SERVICE SINCE MAY. MID-MAY. AND THE ELEVATOR, THE SHAFT, I CALL IT THE SHAFT, BUT THE PISTON NEEDS TO GET REPLACED. AND THE THE TOTAL COST FOR THAT IS THE 417, 726, 97.

AND THAT'S JUST TO FIX WHAT'S, WHAT'S BROKEN RIGHT NOW.

WE DID GET AN ADDITIONAL PROPOSAL FROM TCA TO MODERNIZE THE WHOLE ELEVATOR.

JUDGE. AND AND I JUST GOT IT OFF THE PRESS RIGHT NOW.

I JUST GOT IT DURING LUNCH. THE TOTAL COST FOR THAT WAS 545 4385 545,000 TO REPLACE, LIKE,

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AND IN ORDER TO UPDATE IT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WAITING FOR SOMETIMES FOR PARTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO WHEN THEY MODERNIZE IT, THEY'LL DO THE DOORS, THEY'LL DO THE CONTROLLERS.

SO ALL THAT WILL BE MODERNIZED. SO YOU CAN EASILY GET PARTS FROM NOW ON ALSO.

SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH GETTING A BRAND NEW ELEVATOR WITHOUT DOING THE NEW ELEVATOR. SO YOU'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF THIS YOU'RE SUBSTITUTING. NOW THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AS PART OF THE REPAIR. YES. YOU STILL HAVE TO DO THE REPAIR, WHICH IS A 417 IN ADDITION TO BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT THE BUT JUST BUT BUT PART OF THE MODERNIZATION YOU KNOW IS THE COST FOR REPAIRS.

AND THE MODERNIZATION IS THE 545 FOR 335 FOR THE PISTONS.

AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE WHOLE THING. OH, IT'S A TURNKEY.

YES. SORRY. YOU TOLD ME WE HAD TO DO THE PISTONS STILL WHEN I TALKED TO YOU.

YES, BUT THIS INCLUDES THE PISTONS. THE 543 INCLUDES EVERYTHING.

THE OTHER BID THAT YOU GAVE ME THE OTHER DAY DIDN'T THEN IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE MODERNIZATION PART.

YES, MA'AM. THIS IS CRAZY HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO SPEND FOR AN ELEVATOR.

YES. YES, SIR. AND HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR BUDGET FOR THAT? THERESA. LIKE, WHERE ARE WE GETTING THIS FROM? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, BECAUSE THE OTHER DAY IN OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON ELEVATORS. I AGREE.

AND I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS A BIG DEAL. THIS IS A HUGE COST.

YES, MA'AM, I AGREE. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

JUST MAYBE AFTER SEEING WHAT WE DO ON OUR BOND.

I MEAN, BUT IS IT, LIKE, WORKING NOW? NO. NO, NOT.

NO, SIR. IT'S OUT OF SERVICE. SO IF YOU. I THINK YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY THIS WOULD DEPLETE YOUR BUDGET IF YOU.

OH, YES. I THINK WE HAVE LIKE THREE SOMETHING OR LESS THAN 3.99 AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.

BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE PENDING ITEMS IN THE GENERAL LEDGER YET.

THIS MAY HAVE TO COME OUT OF OUR SEE OF THOSE.

WELL, YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT UNTIL SEPTEMBER. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IN THE MEANTIME? YEAH. WHAT'S BEEN BROKE SINCE MAY? YEAH, IT'S BEEN BROKE SINCE MAY. YES, SINCE IT'S BEEN BROKEN, SINCE I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT THE CEO'S BALANCES, MAYBE THE UNALLOCATED BALANCES TO COME UP WITH THE WITH THE NUMBER.

BUT I HAVEN'T GOT THAT NUMBER YET. I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH SERIES IS AVAILABLE.

WELCOME BACK COMMISSIONER. WELL THEY WERE THEY WERE BROKE WHEN I LEFT HERE.

SO NOTHING'S CHANGED. SO THEN IF YOU MODERNIZE THIS ONE IS ARE THE REST OF THESE? YES, MA'AM. THE OTHER NINE, TEN AND 11 HAVE BEEN MODERNIZED.

THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN MODERNIZED. THIS IS THE LAST. THIS IS THE LAST ONE, AND IT'S ALL IN THE JAIL.

THIS IS THE LAST ONE THAT'S IN THE JAIL. YES. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY FOR ANOTHER $100,000.

SHOULDN'T WE GO AHEAD AND CONSIDER THE MODERNIZATION AT THE SAME TIME? EXACTLY. I WOULD RECOMMEND THE COMMISSIONER BECAUSE THEN THE PARTS WILL BE AVAILABLE.

HOPEFULLY WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND ANY MORE MONIES, BUT HEY, WE DON'T HAVE 417.

WE MIGHT AS WELL APPROVE SOMETHING IF WE DON'T HAVE 517.

YEAH, THAT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE THE LITTLE LECTURE WE GOT EARLIER.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE KIND OF. OH YEAH.

THAT WAS BEING FACETIOUS FOREVER. ANYBODY'S LISTENING.

SO MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK TERESA TO SEARCH AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH THE FUNDING FOR THIS AND SEE US OR SOMETHING, SINCE WE WEREN'T SURE WAS WHAT THIS WAS.

YOU DIDN'T GET IT TILL JUST NOW. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH APPROVAL.

YEAH. BRING IT BACK. I SO MOVE. I'LL SECOND OUR COMMISSIONER.

SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE, AYE.

TABLE TO TABLE. THE TABLE. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER. YEAH. YES. WELL, YOU KNOW, TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, YOUR HONOR.

AND WE WE SERIOUSLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE ELEVATORS THROUGHOUT THIS FACILITY.

I MEAN, I'VE GRIPED ABOUT THESE TWO OUTSIDE HERE, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR THIS THIRD FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR.

IF ONE OF THOSE ELEVATORS IS IT? ARE BOTH ARE DOWN AT THE SAME TIME? THEY'RE HANDICAPPED PEOPLE. THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO GET OFF OF THIS PART OF THE BUILDING SO THEY CAN GO DOWN OVER HERE.

AND SO WE REALLY NEED THAT TO BE PART OF YOUR PROPOSAL, THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP ON THESE ELEVATORS, OR GETTING THEM ALL TO THAT LEVEL WHERE THEY KEEP PARTS AND STUFF, WHERE IT'S EASY FOR US TO FIX AND REPLACE.

YES, MA'AM. HAVE WE WON? HAVE WE EVER LOOKED AT SETTING UP A MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH WITH ONE OF THESE COMPANIES? DO YOU HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT? COMMISSIONERS. BUT AND JUDGE AND COMMISSIONER, WE DO HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, BUT MOST OF US JUST COME IN AND DO KIND OF JUST A REGULAR MAINTENANCE.

BUT IT'S NOT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A COST IN THERE FOR REPAIRS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY FOR CLARIFICATION.

IS THIS TABLE TILL THE NEXT MEETING OR JUST UNTIL TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING IF THERESA FINDS FUNDS OR HOPING.

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[1. Discuss and consider award and execution of Services Agreements for contract labor personnel services with the following: Snelling Staffing and BuzzClan, LLC; and related matters.]

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COMMISSIONER MORRIS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, I ANY OPPOSE. THE MOTION PASSES.

NOW. WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR MEETING. I WAS READY TO JUST RUN AWAY A WHILE AGO.

ARE THERE ANY ADJOURNMENTS IN MEMORY TODAY? I HAVE TWO.

[ Adjournment in Memory (upon request)]

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE DOES. IT LOOKS LIKE.

OKAY. FIRST ONE IS SEAN CHRISTOPHER. A DEVOTED HUSBAND, FATHER, SON, BROTHER, UNCLE AND FRIEND TO MANY, PASSED AWAY SUDDENLY AT THE AGE OF 63. BORN IN CALIFORNIA.

SEAN WAS RAISED IN A PROUD NAVY FAMILY AND SPENT HIS EARLY YEARS IN CARMEL, CALIFORNIA.

HE WAS A MAN OF MANY PASSIONS AND TALENTS. HE LOVED HUNTING, FISHING, EXCELLED IN FOOTBALL AND LACROSSE.

HIS CHARISMA AND FEARLESSNESS WERE EVIDENT FROM A YOUNG AGE AND CARRIED THROUGH EVERY CHAPTER OF HIS LIFE. SOON AFTER GRADUATION, HE FOUND HIS OWN BUSINESS, SEASCAPES, HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI, A TESTAMENT TO HIS ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT AND DEDICATION TO HARD WORK.

IT WAS DURING THAT TIME THAT HE MET THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE, ANNETTE, WHERE THEY BUILT THEIR FAMILY WITH THEIR TWO SONS, JOHN HUNTER AND COLBY J.

SEAN IMPRINTED HIS LEGACY THROUGHOUT THE COASTAL BEND, TRANSFORMING THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF TEXAS INTO BREATHTAKING LANDSCAPES WHERE PEOPLE CAN CONNECT WITH THESE SPACES LONG AFTER HIS PASSING.

SEAN'S ARTISTIC TALENT, VISION, AND CREATIVITY CONTINUES TO BREATHE LIFE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, EACH MASTERPIECE BROUGHT TO LIFE BY SHAWN'S CREATIVITY AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL.

SEAN NEVER MET A STRANGER, ONLY FUTURE FRIENDS, AND COULD TURN EVEN THE MOST ORDINARY MOMENT INTO A STORY WORTH RETELLING.

HIS SENSE OF HUMOR WASN'T JUST A PART OF HIM.

IT WAS HIS GIFT TO THE WORLD AND A LIFE FILLED WITH JOY.

NOISE AND THE SOUND OF SHARED LAUGHTER. SEAN LEFT BEHIND A LEGACY OF SMILES THAT WILL ECHO FOR YEARS TO COME.

FILLED WITH LOVE, WORK, HARD WORK AND FAITH THAT WILL CONTINUE TO INSPIRE ALL WHO WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO KNOW HIM.

CONDOLENCES TO THE CHRISTOPHER FAMILY AND THE PASSING OF SEAN CHRISTOPHER.

SECOND ONE. JAMES HUTCHISON BRYANT JUNIOR KNEW HIM AS HUTCH.

HUTCH GREW UP HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND UNFORTUNATELY WAS ONE OF THE.

HE AND HIS WIFE WAS ONE OF THE LOSSES IN THE TRAGEDY AND IN THE HILL COUNTRY.

HE WAS BORN IN CORPUS CHRISTI IN 1963 AND AGAIN PASSED AWAY IN HUNT, TEXAS, ALONG HIS BELOVED WIFE, ELIZABETH BLACKBIRD BRYANT. HE LIVED A LIFE DEEPLY ROOTED IN FAITH, FAMILY, AND SERVICE TO OTHERS.

HE WAS A DEVOTED MEMBER OF CHRIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH IN SAN ANTONIO.

HE IS SURVIVED BY HIS SON, JAMES HUTCHISON BRYAN THE THIRD, AND HIS DAUGHTER, KATHERINE MERRITT BRYAN.

HIS BROTHER IN LAW, ROYAL BLACKBURN AND HIS WIFE CHELSEA, HIS SISTER IN LAW, AND MANY OTHER FRIENDS AND FAMILY WHO LOVED HIM DEARLY.

HIS LEGACY OF COMPASSION, GRACE AND FAITH LIVES ON THROUGH HIS CHILDREN AND ALL THOSE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE KNOWN HIM.

HIS FAVORITE PASTIME WAS SPENDING TIME WITH HIS LOVED ONES, WHETHER PLAYING TENNIS PADDLE AT A ROLLING STONE CONCERT, AT A BASEBALL GAME, OR AT HOME. OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE BRYAN FAMILY ON THE LOSS OF BRYAN AND HIS WIFE.

ABSOLUTELY. OUR SINCERE CONDOLENCES TO BOTH THE CHRISTOPHER AND BRYAN FAMILY.

AND JUST AS THE THE FLOOD VICTIMS STILL HIT US HARD.

SO SINCERE CONDOLENCES TO THEM. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS AND NO OTHER ADJOURNMENTS IN MEMORY, IT IS 151 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.