Jul 11, 2025 Commissioners Court - Budget Workshop & Special Meeting

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INVOCATION TODAY. >> THANK YOU JUDGE.

>> WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING OF THIS WEEK. WE THANK YOU FOR THE WEEKEND TO COME. WE PRAY FOR THOSE FAMILIES WHO ARE STRUGGLING IN TEXAS AND BEYOND NOW FROM ALL THESE HORRIBLE FLOODS. BE WITH THE FIRST RESPONDERS, BE WITH THE FAMILIES, PROVIDE THEM ALL YOUR LOVE AND CARE. GUIDE THEM THROUGH THESE WEEKS, MONTHS, AND YEARS TO COME. GOD WE PRAY FOR THIS COURT THAT WE CAN HEAR THE INFORMATION WE KNOW ARE PRIORITIES FOR OUR ELECTED AND DEPARTMENT HEADS AND GUIDE US TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES ON BEHALF OF YOUR PEOPLE. THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS YOU HAVE GIVEN US AND GUIDE US OVER THIS BLESSED WEEKEND, IN YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLEJUSTICE F

>>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. WE HAVE FOUR COMMISSIONERS PRESENT. ONE COMMISSIONER, GONZALEZ IS OUT AND I DON'T THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY ON ZOOM.

IT IS 9:07. WE ARE AT 901 IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURTROOM AND I AM CERTIFYING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT. THIS MEETING IS 9:07 START. THIS WORKSHOP. DO WE HAVE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I

[2. BUDGET WORKSHOP: The Court will discuss matters related to Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Budget.]

>> YOU MAY HAVE TO PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN.

>> I THINK I NEED A STEP STOOL. >> POINT IT DOWN TOWARD YOU.

>> OKAY. >> IN FACT I STILL HAVE THE ONE

MY DAD MADE FOR ME. >> WE DID THIS YESTERDAY. THEY

CAME IN AND DID THAT. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

JUDGE SCOTT. VERY EXCITED TO BE BEFORE YOU TO DISCUSS MY BUDGET BECAUSE I'M NOT COSTING THE COUNTY ANY -- NOT ASKING FOR

ANYTHING FROM THE COUNTY. >> WE LIKE THAT ALREADY.

>> TRY TO FIND THINGS IN MY BUDGET. FIRST OF ALL I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR SUPPORTING THE JUDGE'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE DIGITAL PAYMENTS FOR THE JURY, FOR THE JURY PROGRAM AND ALSO FOR E SERVICE. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE -- HAS CONCERNED ME ALL LONG HAS BEEN THE COST, THE MONEY WE PAY FOR OUR MAILING BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS TO GO OUT CERTIFIED MAIL. THE ENVELOPES, THE PAPER THAT WERE USED FOR THE JURY SUMMONS HAS TO GO OUT IN OUR OFFICE.

IT'S -- WE GET A LOT OF CERTIFIED MAIL BACK AND THAT'S JUST MONEY THAT'S BEEN THROWN AWAY. SO, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH IN THE FUTURE. ONE THING ABOUT THE DIGITAL PAYMENTS FOR JURORS. WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT FOR THE ELECTION WORKERS. SO, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK HOW THEY WANT TO BE PAID. SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD THING. THEN OUR E SERVICE WILL HELP US ALSO IN OUR COST SAVINGS. THE NOTICES, ALL STAFF WILL GO OUT THROUGH EMAIL. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME TEXT MESSAGES ABILITY AS WELL. I THINK THIS WILL HELP THE ATTORNEYS GET THEIR INFORMATION QUICKER FROM THE COURTS, FROM THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT THAT YOU ALL HAVE SHOWN FOR THAT.

>> COULD I ASK A QUESTION? >> SURE.

>> AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT IF YOU GO TO THE EMAIL SERVICES FOR YOUR JURY POOL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO --.

>> NO. THAT'S NOT FOR THE JURY POOL, JUDGE. NO, SIR, I'M SORRY. IT'S FOR THE ATTORNEY AND FOR THE COURTS.

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>> OKAY. >> IT'S FOR NOTICES THAT GO OUT FOR HEARINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> OKAY. ONLY TO THE ATTORNEY. >> YES, SIR. THE ONLY -- THERE'S NOTHING THAT CHANGE WAS HOW WE GET OUR JURORS.

>> YOU HAVE TO DO THAT THROUGH MAIL.

>> YES. ON THAT NOTE WE ARE GOING TO -- THE JUDGES HAVE FREED TO GO WITH A POSTCARD FOR JURY SUMMONS. THAT'S BEING USED IN DALLAS COUNTY AND A LOT OF THE LARGER COUNTIES. IT'S A POSTCARD BECAUSE ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE COMMISSIONER IS ONLINE. WE DON'T NEED TO REPEAT IT AGAIN IN THE JURY SUMMONS. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. THAT'S GOING TO ALSO BRING DOWN THE OFFICE SUPPLIES, POST AGE SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE OVER THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY SAVE FROM PAST YEARS. WE CAN HOPEFULLY CUT SOME OF THAT DOWN AS WELL. SO.

>> EVERYTHING ELSE THAT SOMEONE HAS TO DO ALL OF THAT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'LL BE A LOT EASIER ON OUR STAFFING AS WELL. SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE AS DISTRICT CLERK I HAVE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLASSES AND THE SALARIES FOR MY SUPERVISORS, FOR SOME OF MY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE IS CORRECTLY -- CORRECT ACCORDING TO WHAT DUTIES THEY HAVE. WHEN I GOT INTO OFFICE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY WAS MR. JOHN MITCHELL WHO TAKES CARE OF ALL THE RECORDS ON THE 6TH FLOOR. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING MY ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY SO LAST BUDGET WE WERE ABLE TO RECLASSIFY HIS TITLE AND GIVE HIM A LITTLE MORE MONEY AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO THIS YEAR AS THE MAIN FOCUS IS FOR THE SAME THING. I HAVE A COURT RECORDS MANAGER AND SHE TUESDAY NOTHING WITH COURT RECORDS. SHE IS THE CLERK THAT HELPS US WITH ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM LINE BARKER. FROM THE FORECLOSURES, EXCESS PROCEEDS, AND WE ARE WANTING TO -- HER PAY STAYS THE SAME. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INCREASE THERE BUT HER TITLE WILL BE TAX CLERK WHICH IS --.

>> ARE YOU MAKING SURE THAT THOSE JOB DESCRIPTIONS WHEN YOU CHANGE THOSE TITLES YOU TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE -- THAT WAS IN THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION IN HR? YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE

DESCRIPTIONS MATCH OR --. >> THAT'S MY NEXT -- THAT'S -- I HAVE ALSO WANTED TO DO A BETTER SENIOR CLERK DESCRIPTION BECAUSE IT'S A GENERIC ONE AND I WANT IT MORE SPECIFIC TO HER BUT, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. I HAVE A COURT CLERK COORDINATOR WHICH IS REALLY THE SUPERVISOR ALL -- OF ALL MY 15 CLERKS THAT VERY FOR THE COURTS. SO I FELT THAT HER TITLE NEEDED TO BE CHANGED TO WHAT I HAVE FOR THE OTHER SUPERVISORS TO COURT CLERK SUPERVISOR 2 AND IT'LL INCREASE HER SALARY SO SHE CAN BE MAKING WHAT THE OTHER SUPERVISORS MAKE. I'M REMOVING ONE ASSISTANT COURT CLERK WHICH HER -- INSTEAD OF BEING THE ASSISTANT COURT CLERK SHE WILL NOW BE AN EXPUNSION CLERK. WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO GET THE CRIMINAL INTEREST THEIR RECORDS CLEANED AND SO WE WERE REALLY BACKED UP WITH THAT AND WE WERE ABLE TO CLEAN IT UP AND SO I TALKED WITH OUR -- WITH OUR -- MY CHIEF DEPUTY AND WITH THE COURT CLERK SUPERVISOR AND WE AGREED TO JUST TAKE ONE OF THE FOUR ASSISTANT COURT CLERKS AND

MAKE THEM INTO THAT. >> IF I REMEMBER RIGHT AND WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO DO THOSE. THAT IMPACTS OUR GRANT.

>> IT DOES, YES, SIR. >> WHETHER OR NOT WE GET GRANTS.

>> THAT AND OTHER THINGS BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN BEHIND ON THAT AND THEN WE HIRED SOMEONE TO DO THAT. THEY GOT US ALL TAKEN CARE OF AND SO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT GOING.

>> GOOD. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT MOVE.

>> OKAY. YOU MAY MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU. IT IS PRETTY FARAWAY. YES. OKAY. SORRY.

>> THANK YOU. SORRY. >> ALSO WE -- I HAVE AN

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>> WE ARE TOO. THANK YOU. >> AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. THAT'S

REALLY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE BEFORE -- WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GO HEAD. >> JUST WANT TO THANK YOU. YOU ALWAYS COME IN AND TRY TO RUN AS LEAN A BUDGET AS POSSIBLE.

EVERYBODY DOES BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY SICKLE YOU DO THAT EVEN WHEN NOT ASKED SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING AS RESOURCEFUL AS YOU ARE AND TRYING TO COME UP ALSO WITH THESE NEW TITLES OR POSITIONS THAT REFLECT WHAT YOUR STAFF IS

DOING. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. >> I WANT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO MY FINANCIAL SUPERVISOR. SHE HAS BEEN WITH ME FOR FOUR YEARS. WE STOLE HER AWAY FROM CLAYBURG COUNTY'S DISTRICT OFFICE. SHE IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY HELP THAT YOU ALL NEED.

>> APPRECIATE T THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT UP SCOTT CROSS. YOU ARE IN THE HOT SEAT. YES. GOOD TO

SEE YOU, MONICA TOO. >> ALL RIGHT. I MOVE PRETTY QUICK THROUGH THIS KIND OF STUFF. COMMISSIONERS OR JUDGE, JUST INTERRUPT ME IF YOU NEED TO. I TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT SOMETIMES THAT YOU ARE NOT AS INTIMATE AS I AM WITH THIS STUFF. I THINK THAT YOU ARE. I WILL START OUT WITH 180. WE HAD THREE ACCOUNTS. 180, 181, 182 AND 1307? 1307 WITH WHICH IS THE GO MESS FUND WAS HE USE FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. IN 180 I HAVE GOT -- I'M ASKING FOR A TOTAL INCREASE IN 180, $306,783.

I'M TRYING TO CLAW BACK SOME OF THE 395 THAT I GAVE UP LAST YEAR IN 180. SPECIFICALLY THE REASON WHY I'M TRYING TO DO THIS IS WE ARE -- DOUBLING AND POSSIBLY TRIPLING THE SIZE OF THESE RV PARKS BY THE END OF 2026. WE HAVE JUST UNDER -- JUST RIGHT AT OUTSIDE OF THE PEER PEER AND BRISCOE WE HAVE ABOUT 18 MILLION IN CAPITOL PROJECTS THAT ARE 100% GRANT FUNDED. SO WE ARE RENOVATING HORSE CALDWELL, CONCESSION SPACE RIGHT NOW. WE WILL HAVE BOB HALL PIER BACK ONLINE BY DECEMBER 2026. THEN WE WILL HAVE THE EXPANSION OF PADRE AND OF IB MCGEE THAT WILL BE DONE THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE BY JANUARY 2027. WE WILL BE DONE BY THE END OF 2026. WE ARE GOING TO START AT IB MCGEE FIRST, GIVE CALLUM TIME TO GET OUT OF THE WAY AND MOVE OVER THERE AND DO PADRE AFTER THAT.

THE LIVING SHORELINE.

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I THINK WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET A NEW CONFERENCE TABLE IN THE BOARD ROOM. WE ENDED UP GETTING LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT WE HAD.

THAT CAN BE ZEROED OUT. WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. I GOT A TO REPLACE THE PEDESTALS IN REPAIRS AND GROUNDS. EVERY ONE OF THE PEDASTALS ARE IN BAD SHAPE. THE WEATHER AND JUST OVERTIME AND WE ARE HAVING ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS AND HE WITH ARE TROUBLE SHOOTING THAT. NATIONALS ABOUT 58 GRAND TO REPLACE THE PEDASTALS. I HAVE GOT SO I'M ASKING FOR THE INCREASE THEREOF 164. I BUMPED ILL FUEL. I KNOW THAT ENERGY PRICES ARE COMING DOWN. THAT'S THE MARKET THAT'S HARD TO CAPTURE. THEN ON OTHER EXPENSES YOU SEE A BIG JUMP THERE. 169006. THAT IS FOR THE FIRST LEASE PAYMENT ON A NEW MOTOR GRADER WE CHANGE OUT OUR EQUIPMENT EVERY THREE YEARS. IF YOU KEEP IT ANY LONGER IT JUST RUSTS OUT AND HAS NO TRADE IN VALUE. WE MAKE THREE YEARLY PAYMENTS AND THEY GO DOWN AFTER FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD YEAR THEN WE OWN IT AND THEN WE CAN TRADE IT IN. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS WITH OUR HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND WE DO -- WE WILL DO THE MOTOR GRADER THIS TIME AND AT THE END OF THAT THREE YEARS WE WILL DO THE FRONT END LOADER. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO BIG PIECES OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT WE HAVE. WE COULDN'T AFFORD TO GET IT WITH THE ARPA FUNDS YOU GAVE ME. THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS LEASE FOR YOU. WHAT HAPPENS IS THOSE -- THOSE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT AS YOU GET DOWN TO THAT THREE YEAR MARK THEY START NICKELING AND DIMING YOU. THEY AREN'T CHEAP TO WORK ON. THE BIG EQUIPMENT. LET'S SEE HERE.

>> YOU ARE DOING THE LEASE ON THAT.

>> YEARLY LEASE PAYMENT. IT'S A LEASE TO OWN KIND OF THING

COMMISSIONER. >> AND SO THREE YEARS YOU OWN

IT? >> AFTER THREE YEARS WE OWN IT.

>> MY LAST PAYMENT WAS A DOLLAR ON THE MOTOR GRADER.

>> WHEN YOU GIVE IT BACK DO THEY SELL IT?

>> WE TRADE IT IN. >> YOU TRADE IT IN.

>> THEY GIVE ME TRADE IN VALUE ON IT. THAT'S WHY A LOT OF TIMES I CAN GET A BRAND NEW MOTOR GRADER FOR CHEAPER THAN 300 AND SOME OTHER THOUSAND DOLLARS DOLLARS. THEN ON CAPITOL OUTLAY WE HAVE OUR PACK RESHOP IS GOING TO NEED A NEW ROOF.

HVAC SYSTEM. THAT'S WHY I'M INCREASING CAPITOL OUTLAY THERE.

WE NEED ANOTHER BARN FOR THE SHOP YARD FOR EQUIPMENT. RUNNING OUT OF ROOM. THE MESS ANYONE BOARD THAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEYHELPED US PAY FOR IS ABOUT SHOT. SO WE NEED TO REPLACE IT. THEN I GOT A COUPLE SMALL ITEMS THERE THAT'S ONLY 2,000 AND A RATE -- THE RATE TO -- IS ABOUT TWO GRAND. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE. SCOTT DOES THE 306783. DOES THAT

REFLECT THE $12,000 DEDUCT? >> IT DOES. YOU TAKE THAT 12,000 OUT OF THERE AND THAT DROP IS DOWN BELOW THREE.

>> LESS THAN 306. >> IT WOULD BE.

>> MY MISTAKE. I WAS LOOKING AT THAT YESTERDAY AND I REALIZED WE DON'T NEED THAT 12 UP THERE. THAT'S 180 IN A NUT SHELL. THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT GRAYSON AND I MET WITH ME. WE PARTICIPATE IN THIS BEACH MAINTENANCE REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE JOEL OR PATRICIA WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE SURPLUS TO INCREASE THE MONEY IN THAT PROGRAM. THAT PROGRAM TWO THIRDS OF THE EXPENSES WE SPEND ON BEACH MAINTENANCE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT. WE SEE TWO TO 4%. THAT'S ALL WE SEE BACK UNDER THE PROGRAM. YOU KNOW LIKE THIS YEAR I THINK WE ARE AT 65K BACK. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY DOING THAT. THE BEACH PARKING STICKER MONEY I CAN PROMISE YOU BY THE TIME WE GET OUR SHARE IT IS STILL NOT ENOUGH. ANYHOW THAT'S KIND OF 180 IN A NUT SHELL AND THE CAPITOL OUTLAY.

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EVERYTHING GETS DUMPED INTO 180 AND THEN WE MOVE OVER TO 181 WHICH IS ACTUALLY 181 IS SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR PART IMPROVEMENT ACCOUNT BECAUSE AN AMOUNT OF EVERY DOLLAR THAT I SELL FOR RV'S GOES INTO 181. IT IS LIKE MY OWN CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT ACCOUNT IT IS A JUGGLE. I HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO COURT AND KEEP MOVING THIS OVER HERE. THE WAY IT'S SET UP. I KNOW THAT GRAYSON IS GOING TO WORK WITH ME TO GET COST CENTER SET UP FOR THIS KIND OF THING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP HAVING TO DO THAT. IT JUST TAKES A LOT MORE TIME TO PROCESS

SOMETHING THAT WAY. >> PART OF THIS I THINK WAS DONE NOT HOW SAY -- THE RIGHT WAY. DALE DID IT DIFFERENTLY THAN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SET UP TO BE DONE, I THINK, IS HOW SOME OF THIS WAS DONE. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CRITICAL. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SINGING FUND TO SOME DEGREE AND IT JUST ENDED UP CONTINUING TO BE MOVE FROM THAT FUND BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND

AND WE -- JUST --. >> YEAH. IN 181 WE HAD A LAST YEAR BEFORE WE GOT IN THIS BUDGET I HAD 200,000 AND RESERVE APPROPRIATATIONS. IT WENT AWAY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT AND THAT WAS PURE REVENUE. I JUST THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE SOMEONE GOT DESPERATE BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET CRUNCH AND USED IT SOMEWHERE. IT JUST DISAPPEARED. SO, WHILE WE ARE STILL IN 180 STAFFING. I SUBMITTED TO YOU ALL TO ADD MORE MARK PARKS AND BEACH WORKERS LEVEL ONE. I'M LOOKING AT TWO FOR EACH PARK. WE WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS GROWTH THAT'S COMING. IF YOU LOOK AT IT THESE REVENUES WILL REALLY OFF SET A LOT OF THE EXPENSES. I BROUGHT IN TWO MILLION OF REVENUE AND MY TOTAL BUDGET IS 3.3, 3.2, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I ALMOST GOT YOU TWO THIRDS OF MY BUDGET COVER FROM LAST YEAR'S OPERATIONS. EVEN WITH THE CUTS.

THANK YOU JUDGE FOR ALLOWING ME TO PICK WHERE THEY COME FROM SO THEY DON'T IMPACT MY ABILITY TO GENERATE ME NEW. I ASKED FOR PARKS AND BEACH WORKER. I WANT TO ADD -- I HAVE ONE LEVEL 2 PARKS AND BEACH WORKER AND I WANT TO ADD ANOTHER ONE SO I HAVE ONE IN EACH PARK. IN HERE ONE THING I DID WAS -- IS I BROUGHT THIS UP THE LAST TWO BUDGET CYCLES. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. THAT WAS -- CURRENTLY THERE'S ONLY A 15-CENT DIFFERENCE PER HOUR BETWEEN A LEVEL 1 AND A LEVEL IT 2. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? SO I'M WANTING TO BUMP THAT LEVEL 2 PARKS AND BEACH WORKER UP TO A PAY GROUP 16. IT IS A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS DIFFERENCE BUT I MEAN WHAT'S THE -- WHY WORK TOWARD A 2 AND YOU ONLY GET 15-CENTS MORE AN HOUR? THAT'S

STAFFING. >> CAN YOU -- I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND I KNOW YOU DON'T MAYBE HAVE IT TODAY BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME PROJECTIONS AND I THINK THAT YOU SAID BOB -- YOU SAID DECEMBER 26. I THINK YOU

MEANT DECEMBER OF 25. >> YEAH. I'M SORRY.

>> THAT'S OKAY. DON'T SCARE THE -- I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE

PUBLIC. >> CLARITY.

>> IT COMES ON. IT IS SUPPOSED TO COME ONLINE. THE PIER25. IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO DO SOME PROJECTIONS TO SHOW, REMIND THE COURT. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PIER REVENUE.

>> I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. WE STARTED THAT OPERATION WITH ABOUT A 67, 68,000-DOLLAR INVESTMENT. IT WASN'T A FULL YEAR. BEFORE WE GOT TO THE END OF THAT FISCAL YEAR WE MADE ENOUGH REVENUE ON THAT PIER TO PAY FOR THAT YEAR'S INVESTMENTO NETTED $235,000. THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST YEAR. GOING FORWARD WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND WE WERE GETTING UP TO ABOUT, I WOULD SAY BETWEEN 350 AND 400,000 NET AFTER YOU PRAYED YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES AND YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES FOR THE NEXT YEAR. SO, AFTER THAT INITIAL $68,000 INVESTMENT THERE WASN'T A DIME OF TAX DOLLARS THAT EVER WENT INTO THAT.

>> I THINK WHAT THE COURT WILL WANT TO SEE AND I WILL SAY TO

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WAY BACK WHEN. >> THERE WERE THREE OF US.

>> YEAH. THAT TOOK -- I THINK THAT TOOK -- WHAT DID WE ASK FOR 15% OR 10%. SOMETHING. AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU TOOK A LARGE

CUT >> THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR AND I DID 15. I DID BETWEEN THAT AND 20 ON EVERYTHING AND THEN DID THE 395 THAT WAS ASKED FOR LAST YEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER I APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD -- THESE ARE, YOU KNOW A GOOD PRESENTATION ON YOUR APPROPRIATATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND WHAT NOT SO WE CAN BLEND THOSE IN AND SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKS AND

WHAT YOUR PROJECTIONS ARE. >> IN GENERAL OVERALL.

>> OVERALL. >> MAYBE.

>> YES. >> ME SPECIFICALLY. I'M LOOKING FOR. YOU ARE ASKING FOR INCREASED EXPENSES. I WANT TO SHOW THE INCREASED REVENUE COMING THAT. LIKE I SAID WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING WHEN THIS PIER CAME BACK AND THEN THE RESTAURANT WILL FOLLOW AND THEN BRISCOE KING AND THEN THE RV PARKS. WE HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL REVENUE COMING THAT HAVE TO HAVE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH IT BUT IT'LL MAKE IT EASIER I THIS I FOR THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND IF WE SHOW THAT PROJECTED GROSS REVENUE THAT'S PIER WILL KICK OFF.

>> I WILL DO YOUR GROSS AND THENLY DO YOUR NECK. YOU WANT TO SHOW THAT THE PIER IS PAYING FOR ITS OPERATIONS AND HOW MUCH WE WILL NET AND I CAN DO THE GROSS ON THE RV PARKS VERY EASY. WE DO MONTHLY REPORTS AND I HAVE ALL THE MONTHLY BEFORE IT IS GOING BACK YEARS FOR THE PIER AS WELL. THAT'S ALL DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC

FLOW. I >> I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC FLOW. I THINK THERE WILL BE A COUPLE OF DAYS OF LINES OF IT. MAYBE GET WITH CONSTANCE AND THERESA AND GO THROUGH THEM ESPECIALLY IT'LL HELP THEM A LOT AS WE AND THERESA KNOWS SHE HAS BEEN DOING IT FOREVER. IT'LL HELP THEM AS

WE START TO TRANSITION. >> YEAH.

>> INTO A BUDGET OFFICE. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING TO --.

>> OKAY. I DID AND 181 UNDER MAINTENANCE REPAIR I DID BUMP UP THE COST THERE. THIS IS BECAUSE A HORSE CALDWELL PIER. WE DON'T HAVE HORSE CALDWELL PIER IN ITS OWN COST CENTER. I TALKED TO GRAYSON. WE NEED TO FIX IT. EACH ONE OF THOSE PIERS. MAYBE IT'S 183. YOU WANT TO SEE EACH OF THOSE PIERS GENERATING ENOUGH REVENUE. THEY ARE GIVING YOU NET REVENUE. IT'S HORSE CALDWELL HAS BEEN MIXED UP IN 181. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAPPENED. WE

NEED TO F.I.G. THAT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS TOO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THAT OTHER ACCOUNT -- MEETING GRAYSON AND MEETING CONSTANCE AND THERESA.

WITH WE WILL DO SOME TRANSITIONING. WE HAVE TO HAVE -- WE SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF SINKING FUND OF SOME SORT SET UP TO DO THIS REALLY FOR -- ANY PROJECTS AS WE CAN. ESPECIALLY ONES THAT GENERATE REVENUE LIKE THE PIERS GENERATE REVENUE AND AS YOU SAY PAY FOR THEMSELVES BUT THERE'S ALSO THEN PIER MAINTENANCE THAT COMES AROUND. I WAS GOING TO GO THERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, FUNDS FOR AND WHEN IF -- IF A PNL SET UP FOR BOB HALL AND A PNL SET UP FOR HORSE CALDWELL AND IT SHOWS THAT IT'S MAKING REVENUE THAT SOME OF THAT WILL GO BACK IN TO

THE GENERAL FUND. WE HAVE. >> YEAH.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING I WILL PUT FORWARD IS AT LEAST SOME NUMBER OF THAT SHOULD GO TO SOME SORT OF SINGING FUND FOR THE PIER.

>> IS THAT HOW WE DO THE FAIRGROUNDS. DON'T THEY HAVE --

I KNOW. >> THEY GENERATE SOME BUT.

>> WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF SINGING FUND FOR MAINTENANCE OF ALL OUR FACILITIES AND THAT'S -- THAT'S -- THAT'S THE PART OF THE -- AND MAYBE ITS PART OF THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE. I DON'T KNOW. WE ARE COMING UP AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT BIG BONDS AND MAINTENANCE THAT WE

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>> AND IT WAS FUNNY BACK IN THE DAY WHEN PEGGY WAS HERE SHE TALKED ABOUT CREATING A CAPITOL SINGING FUND. THE ONLY WAY WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT IS IF WE HOLD THAT REVENUE. I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. GRAYSON IS PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS THAN I AM WE HOLD THAT REVENUE OVER HERE AND AS IT GROWS THAT'S MY CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT FUND BASICALLY. YOU STILL GOT TO USE YOUR REVENUE TO OFF SET YOUR DEPENDING ON THE GENERAL FUND.

YOU CAN'T HOLD IT ALL. >> I WASN'T HERE BEFORE. WAS THAT THE WAY IT WAS WHEN IT WAS WORKING. DID YOU EVER HAVE A ZERO AND DID YOU USE ANY OF THE GENERAL FUND TO OFF SET COASTAL

PARKS? >> YEAH. WE ALWAYS HAD. WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE WE WERE OFF SETTING THE OPERATING EXPENSE AROUND 43, 47%. WE CONTINUED TO GROW AND DO THIS. I WAS JUST ASKING GENERALLY. I MEAN IF YOU SEPARATE EACH ITEM THEN THAT MAKES SENSE. IN TOTAL FOR THE PUBLIC'S OPINION. FOR THEM IN ALL FAIRNESS. YOU WERE NEVER 100%.

>> YES. >> WE WERE AROUND 67 TO 75% DEPENDING ON THE YEAR. THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PUSH BY THE COMMISSIONER TO GET TO 100%. I LIKE YOU ALL HAVING SOME SKIP IN

THE GAME. >> PART OF IT IS ONE OF MY GOALS WHEN I TOOK OFFICE. THEN WE HAD TWO HURRICANES HIT AND IT SET US BACK. WE WERE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND MOVING PRETTY WELL TOWARD THAT SELF SUSTAINABILITY TAPING GOAL BUT

IT DIDN'T, TWO HURRICANES AND. >> PADRE CARRIED US.

>> THE REVENUES GENERATING NOW ARE THEY BEING PUT BACK INTO THE

COUNTY GENERAL FUND? >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GO ONCE WE MAKE THE MONTHLY DEPOSIT. I KNOW THAT ASSUMING THAT REVENUE COMES BACK AND FUNDS MY OPERATION BECAUSE

THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. >> THE GENERAL FUND HELPS COASTAL PARKS LIKE EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY.

>> THAT MEANS THE REVENUE IS COMING BACK TO GENERAL FUND IS

THAT CORRECT? >>

>> WE TRANSFERRED LIKE THIS YEAR $1.2 MILLION TO MAKE THEM WHOLE

IN THEIR EXPENSES. >> I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN?

>> WE TRANSFERRED THIS. >> IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON?

>> YOU AREN'T TALKING IN IT. >> WE TRANSFERRED $1.2 MILLION TO MAKE THEM WHOLE THIS YEAR. THEIR EXPENSE WAS ABOVE REVENUE.

THE REVENUE GOES INTO THEIR FUND.

>> WE HAD THREE --. >> SO THE REVENUE THAT'S BEING GENERATED BY COASTAL PARK IS HELD IN A SEPARATE FUND TO FUND THEIR OPERATIONS. IT DOESN'T GET PLOWED BACK IN TO THE GENERAL

FUND. >> NO.

>> WE SEND THEM MONEY. >> OKAY.

>> I MEAN. >> IF THERE'S EXTRA MONEY SITTING THERE THEN LIKE IS HE TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS IN THERE IT PROBABLY WENT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR COMPANY. BACK INTO MEANING REPLACING WHAT WAS ALREADY GIVEN TO THEM. RIGHT? THE BUDGET IS 3.3. THEY GENERATE ABOUT 2.1 IN REVENUE. THE

GENERAL FUND IN 1.2. >> YOU CAN'T HOLD ANY MONEY BACK UNTIL THEY ARE AT A 0 AND BRINGING THAT. THEY WOULD BE

ABLE TO HOLD A SING FUND. >> -- THE FRANCE FATHER IS ALWAYS 100%. WHATEVER THEY ARE THEY GO TO -- THE FUND. THE REVENUE THEY GENERATE STAYS WITH IN COASTAL PARKS.

>> IT WOULD BE KIND OF A -- DISCUSSION FOR THE COURT TO HAVE IS TO PUT A PORTION OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET TOWARD A SINKING FUND TOWARD ALL FACILITIES BECAUSE WHAT HAPPEN IS WE GET TO THIS POINT THAT NOW WE ARE HAVING TO PASS A BIG BOND POTENTIALLY FOR A LOT OF THAT -- THE EXPENSE WE HAVE. IT WOULD BE JUST A -- DISCUSSION FOR BUDGET I WAS JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE AS WE MOVE TOWARD BECAUSE YOU KNOW PIERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE BIG MAINTENANCE. NOT -- SHOULDN'T FOR A WHILE. BIG MAINTENANCE AS DO THE COURTHOUSE AND THE FAIRGROUNDS. IT IS JUST A THOUGHT WE MIGHT WANT TO CREATE A SINGING FUND FOR ALL OUR FACILITIES AND TAKE AN AMOUNT AND START PUTTING IT

AWAY. >> CARRY A FUND BALANCE OF SOME SORT.

RIGHT NOW I THINK IN THE -- I'M HESITATING FOR THIS YEAR.

>> BUT WE HAVE SOME BIG PROPERTY SALES COMING TO --.

>> IF WE DO THAT'S GREAT. >> I'M THROWING IT OUT TO GET

IT IN EVERYBODY'S HEADS. >> I'M NOT SUGGESTING I LIKE WHERE HE IS GOING. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT. ONE THING WE HAVE NEVER DONE IF WE SET UP A COST CENTER SPECIFICALLY FOR

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>> I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. OKAY. YOU KEEP THAT MONEY THERE IN THOSE SPECIFIC FUNDS. YOUR GENERAL FUND TRANSFER WILL BE MORE THAN SO IT'S -- IT'S KIND OF RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SURE THAT'S -- THE POSITION UNLESS WE DO SOME MAJOR SALES AND

THINGS COUNTY WISE. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THE ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES HERE AND TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE DO IT. SO, IT'S COMPLETELY FAIR IF YOU SAY THE PIE R AND THESE ARE FICTIT, IOUS NUMBERS. LET'S SAY IT COSTS A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO OPERATE THE PIER. YOU GENERATE REVENUE OF $650,000, OKAY. SO, THE BALANCE OF THAT, DOES THAT -- SO THE WAY WE ARE DOING IT NOW WE ARE JUST HOLDING IT NOW IN A COASTAL PARKS REVENUE FUND. THEN PLOWING THAT BACK IN AS IT'S NEEDED. VERSES TAKING THE REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED FROM ANY OF THE OPERATIONS AND PUTTING IT BACK IN TO THE COUNTY'S GENERAL FUND.

>> COMMISSIONER LIKE I SAID YOU KNOW WE -- OF THE -- 1.2 AND THE TWO -- SO -- $3.2 MILLION WAS MY OPERATING BUDGET LAST YEAR. YOU HAD 1.2. I BROUGHT IN MILLION OF THAT IN REVENUE.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> WHERE IT GOES I DON'T KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER, THAT DIFFERENCE, THE 350,000 THEY ARE SHORT COMES FROM THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S WHY IT WASHES OUT. WE COVER THE COAST THE COST.

>> WE DON'T HAVE TO SHOW IT. >> IT STAYS IN ITS OWN FUND. WE ARE JUST BRINGING IN MONEY TO COVER THE EXPENSIONS.

>> AND THAT'S THE WAY WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT.

>> THEY HAVE THREE COST CENTERS. THEO 180, THE PIER AND THEN ALSO

0180. >> SORRY.

>> THEY HAVE 0180 WHICH IS COASTAL PARKS AND THEN THE BEACH FUND WHICH IS 0181 AND THEN THE PIER WHICH IS 0182. THEY ARE ALL SEPARATE. THEY HAVE THE REVENUE AND EXPENSES WITH IN EACH AND THEN THE TRANSFER. WE CREATE A NEW FUND. IT'S JUST A PIER HE WANTS TO -- NOW IT'S COMBINED WITH BOB HALL.

>> IT'S COMBINED WITH THE PIER. THAT'S BOB HALL.

>> THAT'S BOB HALL. >> HE WANTS IT SEPARATE. 08.

HORSE CALDWELL. >> YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE.

>> THAT'S GREAT. I DON'T WANT THE PIERS OPERATING IN RED. THE THING ABOUT HORSE CALDWELL -- IT'S -- IT'S KIND OF A BLESSING BUT ALSO A CURSE. WE HAVE A CONCESSION THAT RUNS THAT WHEEL PIER AND WE NEGOTIATE THE PROFIT SHARING WITH THAT CONCESSION. WE RUN THE PIER PART OF BOB HALL AND BUZZ WE RUN IT THAT'S HOW WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE SO MUCH PROFIT ON IT. WE ARE NOT IN A COST SHARING WITH A CONCESSION. ITS BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT MAYBE GOING ANOTHER DIRECTION WITH THAT. THAT'S A PARK BOARD DECISION. IT IS WORKING. IT'S WORKING REALLY GOOD AT BOB HALL. WHILE WE ARE ON BOB HALL. OKAY. WE ADDRESSED 181. THERE IS PERCENT OF SALES. THERE'S A PERCENT OF EACH SALES, MONTHLY CAMPING, WHATEVER IT IS GOES INTO 181. 181 USED TO BE CALLED THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND. ITS BEEN CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES. DON'T KNOW WHY. THAT IS KIND OF -- THE CONCEPT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU ARE TAKING AN AMOUNT OF WHAT YOU ARE SELLING OVER HERE FOR GOODS AND SERVICES AND CREATING THAT CAPITOL SINGING FUND. NOW ITS BEEN HIT HARD THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, 181. IT DID HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE IN IT. THAT ROLL ITS OVER BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE LEAN BUDGET TIMES. 182. TWO BUDGETS TO GO. 182, 182 HAD A FUND BALANCE OF I THINK IT WAS 142, $149,000 AND THAT WAS PURE

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YOU GOT A BUDGET THERE AND I RAN THESE FIGURES BASED ON INFLATION COSTS. WHAT WILL TAKE TO START OPERATING BOB HALL PIER AGAIN.

MIND YOU I WILL GET YOU THE NUMBERS. I WILL RUN YOU THE REVENUES. YOU WILL PAY FOR THAT. IT'LL PAY FOR ITSELF. YOU WILL MAKE THAT PLUS A LOT MORE FIRST YEAR THE JUMPS HAVE SEEN THE

NUMBERS. THE PIER WORKS. >> THE PIER MAKES QUITE A BIT OF

MONEY. >> THAT'S 182. I WILL WORK WITH ANYONE I NEED TO. THEN THE LAST ONE IS 1307. WE HAVE TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THERE. WE HAVE A NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGER.

AND A ONE. THE MANAGER HAS -- THERE'S NOT BEEN ANYONE THERE SINCE MEGAN LEFT. I'M WANTING TO BRING IT BACK. THIS IS UNDER THE -- THIS IS GRANT FUNDS. I'M WANTING TO BRING IT BACK BUT NOT NECESSARILYWANTING TO FILL IT RIGHT AWAY. THEN THE -- I LOST MY TWO. HOW LONG -- ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO? JESSICA WAS RUNNING OUR TURTLE PROGRAM. DOING A GREAT JOB. SO AND ALONG WITH THE INTERN THAT WE GOT OUT THERE AND SO THIS IS A SECOND PERSON I HAVE LOST TO SOMEONE GOING OFF WITH A PILOT FROM AND GETTING MARRIED AND ELOPING. IT'S FUNDED. IT IS APPROVED POSITION.

THE COURT APPROVED IT. THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU HAVEN'T APPROVED ME BRINGING BACK IS THE MANAGER'S POSITION. SINCE IT'S FUNDED IT'S APPROVED. I WILL WORK WITH HR TO CLOSE HER OUT OF THE POSITION AND THEN REPOST IT SO I CAN GET SOMEONE IN THERE, TURTLE SEASON WON'T STOP AND I NEED THAT POSITION AND IT'S NOT COMING THE GENERAL FUND. I WILL NEED THAT POSITION AND THE ONE TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE TO NOW WITH -- ALONG WITH THE SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS IN IMPROVEMENTS AT PACKER CHANNEL NATURE PARK.

OTHER THAN THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL THERE DON'T BE CONFUSED THAT. WE HAVE THE POND PROJECT AT IB MCGEE USING THOSE FUNDS. WE ARE DOING THE BOARDWALK. YOU JUST APPROVED THAT USING THOSE FUNDS. I HAVE USED SOME OF THAT MONEY TO HELP US OUT ON THECLAYBURG PROJECT. I HAVE BEEN DOING WORK WITH VEGA ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DOING SOME WORK OUT THERE. THAT IS -- THAT'S NOT A TRUE NUMBER. IT IS LESS THAN THAT. ONCE YOU TAKE THAT OUT. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU LONGER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

AS THINGS COME UP IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AND REALLY DIGEST IT I WILL GO BACK AND GET YOU THE REVENUES YOU ARE ASKING FOR.

>> TELL ME ABOUT YOUR TURTLE PROGRAM.

>> WE ARE DOING NESTING PATROLS. WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF WHEN WE DO BEACH MAINTENANCE WE HAVE TRAINED PEOPLE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR NESTING TUFT 8S. WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAD TO ACTUALLY BE THE HANDS ON PERSON TO RECOVER THE EGGS, TAKE THEM TO THE INCUBATOR AT THE NATIONAL SEA SHORE AND WORK WITH THE INJURED TURTLESFUL LAST OCTOBER, NOVEMBER I SAT DOWN WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE AND DONNA SCHAEFER AND WE FIGURE -- TWO YEARS AGO ACTUALLY WE SAW THIS COMING. WE CAN'T WANT IT TO COME BUT WE SAW IT AND SO I GOT A PERMIT. THE FEDERAL PERMIT.

SAME PERMIT AT THE AQUARIUM. WE HAD IT IN PLACE. THEN I HAD JESSICA SET UP THE NESTING PROGRAM, TURTLE MONITORING NESTING PROGRAM. IT SAT ON THE SHELF FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND THEN LAST YEAR THE HAMMER WAS DROPPED AND DONNA CAN NO LONGER LEAVE THE NATIONAL SEA SHORE. THAT LEAVES TEN MILES OF BEACH THAT HAS IT BE PATROLLED DURING NESTING SEASON. WE HAVE HAD A RECORD BREAKING YEAR. WE HAVE HAD A TON OF TURTLES. SO THE STAFF THAT I HAVE UNDER THE -- NATURAL RESOURCE SPECIALIST POSITIONS. THEY ARE TRAINED GO OUT AND GET THE EGGS FROM THE NEST, MAKE SURE THE MOM GOES BACK IN TO THE WATER, DO ALL THAT SAFE GUARDING THEN TAKE THEM TO THE NATIONAL SEA SHORE.

WE HAVE TO PATROL THAT BEACH DURING NESTING SEASON SEVEN DAYS A WEEK EVERY SINGLE DAY DURING THE DAYLIGHT WE GOT SOME MONEY.

>> YOU ARE PATROLLING THEM TO REPORT THERE ARE EGGS?

>> WE ARE PATROLLING THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY LAY THEIR EGGS AND THEN GET BACK OUT IN THE GULF AND WE COLLECT THE EGGS

AND TAKE THEM TO THE INCUBATOR. >> OKAY. WHY ARE WE DOING THAT

AND NOT A FEDERAL PROGRAM? >> BECAUSE THEY SUCK.

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>> I DON'T KNOW. THEY JUST -- THEY WILL NOT -- DANA LEAVE THE NATIONAL SEA SHORE. I HAVE TALKED TO FISH AND WILDLIFE AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INCORPORATED UNDER THEIR PROGRAM IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL GIVE THEM THE FUNDING AND THE STAFF TO RUN IT. WE GOT LUCKY COMMISSIONER.

>> IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST ALLOWING THAT -- IF WE DID

NOTHING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? >> THEY WOULD DIE.

>> OKAY. OKAY. SO, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SCOTT YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE. YOU KNOW AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH RESPECT TO THAT. I JUST -- IF WE ARE NOT GETTING SOME SORT OF SUBSIDES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR STATE GOVERNMENT OR SOMEONE TO HELP US WITH THAT PROCESS WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T BITE OFF TO BIG A PIECE OF APPLE HERE WITH RESPECT TO WHATEVER CONSERVATION KIND OF PROGRAM WE GET INTO BECAUSE THEY CAN GET

VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY QUICKLY. >> YES, SIR.

>> I AGREE. >> YOU KNOW IT WAS -- I WAS ASKED TO HELP REALLY. I WENT KIND OF KICKING AND SCREAMING INTO THIS. I KNEW I COULD DO IT AND I KNEW I HAD FUNDING TO GET IT STARTD THAT WAS GRANT MONEY THAT WOULDN'T COST THE COUNTY ANYTHING. SO, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT THERE AND GOT IT GOING. EVEN THE UTV WE BOUGHT TO PATROL WITH. LONG TERM I THOUGHT I WAS JUST BRIDGING A GAP AND THEN TALK TO OTHER PARTIES OVER THE WINTER AND FIND OUT HOW CAN WE NOT BE THE MAIN? SO FAR NOBODY -- NOBODY WANTS TO STEP UP AND I CAN TELL YOU NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE EGGS. IF THAT -- EVER GETS CLOSED DOWN AT NATIONAL SEA SHORE WE ARE WASTING OUR TIME.

>> OKAY. >> IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S EITHER WE STEP UP OR WE LET TURTLES DIE AND I CAN'T SIT BY AND DO THAT EITHER. IT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS WHERE THE NATIONAL SEA SHORE HAS AS YOU KNOW HE HAS BEEN A PAIN TO DEAL WITH. HE DOESN'T CARE HE DOESN'T RESPOND OR SHOW UP HE IS THE WORST DIRECTOR I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF THE SEA SHORE. HIS SUPERIORS CONTINUE TO ALLOW HIM SO I HAVE TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE ON BOARD WITH THIS. FISH AND WILDLIFE HAS INDICATED WOULD LOVE TO TAKE IT OVER WHICH IS ANOTHER FEDERAL AGENCY BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE INCUBATOR AND THE STAFF AND SO IT'S A REAL MESS. THE AQUARIUM HAS BEEN A HUGE PLAYER IN ALL THIS. THEY HAVE DONE A LOT WITH THE EXISTING IN THE LIVING TURTLES. THEY CAN'T -- THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SET UP THAT I KNOW OF FOR THE EGGS.

>> JESSE SAID HE ISN'T GETTING IN THE EGG BUSINESS. THE EGG BUSINESS IS SERIOUS WORK BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THE INCUBATOR HAVE YOU TO HAVE SOMEONE SLEEP IN THERE DURING THE TIME IF THEY -- FOR WHEN THEY HATCH. CHANCES ARE A BIG SEASON. IT STARTS MIDDLE APRIL AND RUNS ABOUT TO THE END OF JULY AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE NESTING SEASON THAT GOES TO OCTOBER 1ST. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE EGG BUSINESS. I'M GLAD I HAVE SOMEWHERE TO TAKE THEM.

THAT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE RESTRICTIVE TOO BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT LET YOU DELIVER THEM PAST A CERTAIN TIME DURING THE DAY. IF ITS THAT TIME OF DAY YOU BETTER LEAVE THEM AND HOPE YOU CAN COME BACK AND GET THEM LATER ON.

>> IT'S A MESS. >> I REALIZE THAT. WHEN I -- WHILE I WAS ON THE COUNCIL IN FACT NOT LONG AGO. ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS ASKED THE GUY AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE GUY.

>> ERIC. >> ASKED HIM AND HIS STAFF TO COME MAKE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE TURTLE PROGRAM. THEY CAME OVER AND MADE THIS WONDERFUL PRESENTATION, THIS ALL THE PICTURES AND POWER POINTS ABOUT AND SO -- AFTER THEY WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND THEY FINISHED I ASKED ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. I SAID OKAY. WITH ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT YOU ARE DOING WITH RESPECT TO COLLECTING EGGS, INCUBATI, NG, PUTTING THE TURTLE BACK IN THE WATER, ALL THAT STUFF. HOW ARE YOU DETERMINING WHAT THE IMPACT YOU ARE HAVING ON THE OVERALL TURTLE POPULATION ARE WE WINNING WAR OR ARE WE LOSING? HE LOOKED AT ME WITHOUT HESITATION WE SAID WE DON'T COLLECT THAT INFORMATION. SO, THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS HELPING THE TURTLE POPULATION OR IF THEY ARE JUST LOOSING GROUND. THEY ARE HAVE NO CLUE BECAUSE YOU LOOK ME STRAIGHT IN THE FACE WITHOUT HESITATION AND SAID WE DON'T COLLECT ANY OF THAT INFORMATION.

>> THAT'S KIND OF DUMB. >> SO FOR ME IT'S -- IT'S TYPICAL OF MANY PROGRAMS LIKE THAT START OUT WITH THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT BUT IF YOU DON'T KEEP -- FOR ME IF YOU

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>> THAT'S WHY I DO ALL THE MONITORING THAT I DO ON A YEARLY BASIS WHEN HE CREATED THE HABITAT. I COLLECT THE MET RICKS TO SHOW WHAT KIND OF SUCCESS WE HAVE ACHIEVED AND I PUBLISHED THEM. WE ARE PUBLISHED WITH THOSE FINDINGS. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE NATIONAL SEA SHORE DOESN'T COLLECT ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. THEY HAVE NO CLUE IF THEY ARE --.

>> I'M NO THE WE HAVE OUR TEPS WE USE DURING THE SUMMER LIKE I HAVE BEEN USING FOR MANY YEARS. YOU KNOW THAT WORK -- AT 50% EFFORT OR GREATER DURING THE SEASON. SO, THAT HELPS SUSTAIN A LITTLE BIT OF THIS. EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE IN. ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND ALL THE UTV. ALL THAT STUFF HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY GRANT FUNDS THAT I HAD LEFTOVER WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

>> I ADMIRE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. IT IS A WONDERFUL THING. WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. WE DON'T GET TOO FAR, TO KEEP.

>> I DON'T KNOW -- IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP JUST LIKE I WARNED YOU -- BUILDING HAWK NESTS.

>> THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO. THAT WAS BACK IN 2015, 2016.

WE EXECUTED THAT SAFE HARBOR AGREEMENT YOU SAID SCOTT. WE ARE -- WE DON'T WANT TO GET LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WERE YOUR

WORDS. >> IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP WE NEED TO REALLY MAYBE PUT SOME PRESSURE ON OUR FEDERAL FRIENDS TO HELP COVER THE COST OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. WE ARE HAVING A HARD ENOUGH COVERING THE COST OF EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING AS YOU WELL KNOW.

>> YEAH. >> WE JUST HAVE TO BE REALLY

CAREFUL. >> THERE'S NOT.

>> AND I MIRE YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING. IT'S A GREAT THING TO DO. WE WANT TO SAVE AS MANY AS WE CAN. BEING A PART OF THIS AQUARIUM BOARD AND TO SEE WHAT WE DID WITH RESPECT TO RESCUING TURTLES DURING THE HARD FREEZE THAT WE HAVE. IT'S A BIG DEAL.

I APPRECIATE THAT. >> WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S EASY FOR US TO DO. WE USE BRISCOE KING AND THE ONLY REASON IS BECAUSE THEY CLOSED DOWN THE NATIONAL SEA SHORE AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE. BRISCOE KING WORKED. IT WORKED AND SO WINTER STORM -- WE BURIED ALMOST 6,000 OUT THERE. WE WROTE THE PROTOCOLS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROTOCOLS FOR THAT. THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS WE CAN SUPPORT IN THE EFFORT AND I WORK WITH THE AQUARIUM, WITH TEXAS SEA LIFE CENTER ON THAT. THAT'S EASY STUFF FOR US TO DO. THAT NESTING STUFF. IT'S THE EGGS. COMMISSIONER. BECAUSE THE AQUARIUM, THE SEA LIFE CENTER. THEY CAN BE PRIMARIY ON THE TURTLE. SAVING THE TURTLES. THE EGGS ARE ISSUED AND HE HAS BEEN DOVERING HE HAS BEEN DOING. A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS AND THE TURTLE VOLUNTEERS HAVE COME OVER TO US THAT USED TO VOLUNTEER AT THE SEA SHORE BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM GOT KICKED OFF.

>> IT'S A MESS. >> YEAH. WE EVEN HAVE TO MAKE THEM SIGN A W AI VER. ALEX HELPED UP WITH THE WAIVER FOR

THAT. >> I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD

ABANDON THAT BUT THEY D >> I TRY TO STAY IN MY LANE.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT >> IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> NO. GOOD JOB. >> JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON ALL THE STUFF YOU DO WITH GOING AFTER GRANTS AND ALL THE FUND US FIND TO TAKE CARE. IT IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE

>> I KNOW I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE THAT LONG. SEEING WHAT YOU HAVE

DONE TO HELP THE COUNTY AND --. >> AND ON THE 23RD I WILL BRING

IN THE AMENDMENT TO YOU AS WELL. >> YOU HAVE BEEN IMPRESSIVE WITH YOUR GRANTS. WE APPRECIATE THE HELP YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE OTHER

-- AND WORKED WITH THEM TO. >> THE COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN -- AND I GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE COMMISSIONER ON THAT RAIN PROJECT. HAVE YOU TO COME ASK ME. I DON'T MIND.

>> DON'T WORRY. WE WILL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> WE APPRECIATE IT. >> YOU HAVE TO TONE YOUR

EXCITEMENT. >> BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.

>> WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO OUR SPECIAL CALLED MEETING THAT WAS THE END OF OUR PRESENTATIONS FOR BUDGET PRESENTATIONS. IT'S 10:00 IF YOU NEED TO MARK THAT TIME DOWN, PLEASE. WE HAVE ONE

[1. Discuss and consider approval of a resolution of the Commissioners Court of Nueces County, Texas authorizing publication of Notice of Intention to issue certificates of obligation; approving the preparation and distribution of a preliminary official statement; authorizing certain other matters relating thereto; and providing for the effective date thereof.]

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ALMOST 10:00. APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU JUDGE. FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO -- TO COME UP BEFORE YOU. I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUE TONY IS PROVIDED YOU WITH COPIES OF THE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ON MY FIRM IS -- SOMEONE ELSE IN MY FIRM IS INVOLVED BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE -- TO MAYBE PUT THE -- ON THE SCREEN SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE TRANSPARENT I GUESS IF THERE IS THAT INTEREST. THE QUESTION WE MADE OUR PRESENTATION ON WEDNESDAY. COMMISSIONER WELCOME BACK. I KNOW YOU WEREN'T THERE BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT -- WELL YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS TOO. THIS ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT THE COUNTY. WE -- NOBODY IS SHY HERE. HELPS US DEVELOP, YOU KNOW RECOMMENDATIONS A LOT EASIER.

HAVING SAID THAT AS YOU SAID JUDGE IT'S COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THERE'S AN INTEREST OF MAYBE WE TALKED ON WEDNESDAY ABOUT $25 MILLION FOR IMPROVEMENTS OF COUNTY FACILITIES. USES AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE TAX RATE? WE DON'T THINK IF YOU WERE TO GO -- CHAIR WITH US LAST NIGHT. IF YOU WERE TO GO TO 30 OR 35, I DON'T THINK THAT THE TAX RATE WILL BE IMPACTED. WHAT WILL BE IMPACTED AS WE DISCUSSED ON WEDNESDAY WILL BE THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT IN THIS PARTICULAR RESTRICTED FUND CALLED THE INTEREST IN SINKING FUND THAT IS ONLY THERE TO BE USED FOR PURPOSES OF THAT PAYMENTS. SO, IF YOU WERE TO GO TO A $30 MILLION NUMBER THE PAYMENTS WOULD INCREASE BY AN X AMOUNT F YOU WERE TO GO TO 35 MILLION IT GOES UP ANOTHER AMOUNT AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION AND THE OPTIONS THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU.

BASICALLY WE CAN MITIGATE THAT THREE WAYS WE AREN'T ANYWHERE CLOSE TO FUNDING OR TO FINANCING THIS PROJECT TO SETTING UP RATES. WE ARE THINKING WE WILL BE DOING THAT IN THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER THERE ABOUTS AND AT THAT TIME WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT INTEREST RATES WILL BE DOING. SOME OF US WERE IN THE BUSINESS OF BUYING BONDS, SETTING BONDS EVERY DAY. WE BELIEVE THAT INTEREST RATES ARE GOING TO BE STAYING WHERE THEY ARE AT RIGHT NOW. MAYBE IMPROVE OF COURSE WE LIVE IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S VOLATILE. A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY OUT THERE WITH GLOBAL -- WE DON'T KNOW -- WE ARE -- I GUESS HOPEFULLY WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT RATES WILL STAY WHERE THEY ARE OR EVEN GET BETTER. IF THEY DO GET BETTER, BY THE LESSER IMPACT ON THESAVINGS ACCOUNT OF THIS PARTICULAR FUND. IF IT GETS BETTER THE REFINANCING THAT WE HAVE ALSO PROPOSED TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOUR NEW MONEY OFFERING WILL PROVIDE MORE SAVINGS. NOSE COULD BE SCHEDULED, STRUCTURED -- WE COULD PUSH IT TO THE FRONT OR TO JUST TO BE LEVEL. IF WE DO THIS ON THE ACCELERATED FASHION THE IMPACT TO THE FUND ACCOUNT, TO THE SAVING ACCOUNT WILL BE LIKE $150,000 I THINK. WE -- THAT AREN'T HERE TODAY. WE DON'T WANT TO BE -- WE WANT TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS. WHAT WE DID HERE I THINK IF YOU GOING TO PAGE 4 OR 5 ON THE $30 MILLION SITUATION. YOU WILL SEE THERE.

>> DID YOU GET A NEW ONE? >> THERE'S A COLUMN. THE 5TH COLUMN FROM RIGHT TO LEFT. WE THINK IF EVERYTHING IS SOLD ON A LEVEL BASIS THE IMPACT TO THE FUND BALANCE THAT WILL BE ABOUT A MILLION 7 SO YOU WILL END UP WITH ABOUT INSTEAD OF HAVING FOUR MILLION 7 THAT YOU DO NOW YOU WILL BE AROUND $3 MILLION.

THE TAX RATE REMAINS THE SAME. OF COURSE IF PROPERTY VALUE

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SO WE KNOW THAT IS NOT IN CLEAR AND THAT WILL BE OUR OBJECTIVE WHEN WE FINALIZE THIS FINANCING FOR YOU. WHAT YOU HAVE AS IS AN ACTION ITEM LATER ON THE AGENDA IS BASICALLY TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF NOTICE OF INTENT AND I THINK THAT RICK WITH THE LAW FIRM OF JACKSON WALKER IS SEVENNING AS SERVING AS OUR BOND COUNSEL. IF YOU WORK TO GO AND SELL CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR THE 25 MILLION OR 30 OR 35 THAT AMOUNT CAN BE PUT IN THE RESOLUTION ITSELF. THAT WILL BE PUBLISHED FOR TWO STRAIGHT WEEKS. IT'S STARTING I GUESS ON SUNDAY. IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE IT OR MAYBE NOT SUNDAY BUT LATER IN THE WEEK NEXT WEEK.

>> THE WEEKEND. >> EXCUSE ME. JULY 20TH. I'M

SORRY. >> JULY 20TH.

>> JULY 20TH. >> BASICALLY I THINK THAT WE HAVE A SCHEDULE EVENTS IN THE SUCCEEDING PAGES. THE OBJECTIVE IS TO COME TO YOU WITH A FINAL PRICE IN INTEREST RATE. THE DAY OF. SEPTEMBER 10TH I THINK. THE TIME YOU THAT SET YOUR TAX RATE.

SO, ALL IN ALL I THINK ANYTHING YOU DECIDE TO DO WE HAVE BEEN MANAGEABLE. ON THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE OF THE EQUATION. WHAT WE WANTS DIRECTION FOR YOU AS TO WHETHER THE NOTICE SHOULD BE FOR 25, 30 OR 35. NOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU GO PUBLISH A NOTICE FOR 35 DOES PRECLUDE IT. WE WANT TO DO 32.5. YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU CAN -- YOU CAN DO 34. YOU CAN DO 29 OR 38. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T EXCEED 35 MILLION. RICK I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE BUT I WELCOME YOU TO, YOU KNOW MAKE ANY COMMENTS IF YOU FEEL

NECESSARY. >> HEY. I'M ON. COMMISSIONERS, JACKSON WALKER AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FOLKS AT THE COUNTY TO DRAFT THE NOTICE OF INTENTION TO ISSUE CO'S WHICH I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE. THE REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION IN THAT RESOLUTION IS IN EXHIBIT A. IF YOU HAVE IT AND YOU CAN TURN TO THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN -- SOMEONE CAN PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN. WHAT THAT EXHIBIT A IS IT SAYS THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S 25 MILLION IN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT FOR CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. THERE'S A PROJECT LIST IN THERE ALSO. IT IDENTITIES SEPTEMBER 10TH AS THE DAY THAT THE COURT WOULD COME BACK AND CONSIDER ADOPTING THE ORDER THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE ISSUE OF THE CO. THIS PUBLICATION OF NOTICE IS REQUIRED BY TEXAS STATUTE BUT IT SETS A MAXIMUM AMOUNT AND YOU STILL HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE TO COME BACK AND ISSUE A LESSER AMOUNT OR ISSUE NO CO FOR THAT MATTER. IF CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE XU GET TO SEPTEMBER 10TH AND YOU WANT TO ISSUE 25 MILLION OR 30 OR 35 MILLION YOU CAN DO THAT. I WILL SAY THAT THE $35 MILLION MAXIMUM AMOUNT IF SOMETHING CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 10TH AND YOU HAVE A BIGGER NEED OF 40 MILLION SAY THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLICATION PROCESS. SO, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SORT OF OFTEN TIMES FOR OUR CLIENTS SET THIS AS A, YOU KNOW AMOUNT THAT MAYBE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED JUST GIVING THEM THE FLEXIBILITY IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS AND A NEED CHANGES

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>> AND WE AGREE -- WE ARE TRYING TO GET THAT ATTACHMENT SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT. APPARENTLY IT WAS.

>> I HAVE THE DISCLAIMER BUT JUST NOT THE PROJECT.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S IN -- IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE COURT

PACKET. THERE IT IS. >> HERE IT IS.

>> THANK YOU. >> THERE IT IS. IF YOU CAN SEE SORT OF A THIRD OF THE WAY DOWN THE $25 MILLION AMOUNT IS STATED IN THERE AND THEN LATER THERE'S -- THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED AND THE IT THINGS THAT THE NOTICE DOES IS SET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT AND LIMIT THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN USE THE PROSEES PROCEEDS OF THE CO FOR. THIS IS REQUIRED BY STATUTE WE TRACT THIS IN A WAY THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU THAT GIVE US THAT TRIES TO IDENTITY THE RIGHT AMOUNT AND THE RIGHT

PROJECTS. >> SO -- SORRY. DID YOU HAVE

SOMETHING? >> I JUST -- THE THING I WAS INTERESTED IN IS I HAVE NOT -- I HAVE NOT SEEN THE FINAL LANGUAGE ON WHAT WE WOULD RESTRICT THE CO'S USE. I THINK IT WAS THAT YOUR DIRECTION TO KEEP IT -- FOR INFRASTRUCTURE USE OR SOMETHING.

I THINK --. >> WE WENT -- WITH WHAT YOU GAVE US ON THE 2004 I THINK YOU SAID. YES.

>> MAYBE HELPFUL IF YOU WERE TO SHOW THE COURT WHERE THAT IS IN

THE RESOLUTION. >> I SEE THE EXHIBIT A. IS THAT

WHAT RU REFERENCING. >> WHAT LINE ITEMS?

>> IT'S NOT -- IT'S SORT OF SMALL IN THE SCREEN. IF YOU GO ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THERE'S A -- THE PROJECTS START WITH A LITTLE EYE SO IT'S LITTLE I, TWO I, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH THE FIRST PURPOSE IS ESSENTIALLY DEMOLISHING COUNTY BUILDINGS. THE SECOND PURPOSE IS RENOVATING BUILDINGS FOR FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

>> REPAIRING. >> YEAH. AND THE THIRD IS RELATED TO PROJECTS FOR COUNTY ROADS AND BRIDGES. THE 4TH IS FOR PARKS.

SO, THAT WOULD THEN LIMIT YOUR USE OF THE 25, 30, $35 MILLION WORTH OF PROCEEDS TO THOSE PROJECTS. WE DRAFTED THEM BASED ON DIRECTION FROM FOLKS AT THE COUNTY. WE TRIED TO MAKE THE BRIDGE -- ROAD BRIDGE AND PARK CATEGORIES BROAD ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE.

>> THANK YOU. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION.

>> GOOD. OKAY. >> SO, IT LOOKS TO ME FROM THIS LIST THAT IT WOULD ONLY PERTAIN TO EXISTING COUNTY ASSETS AND NOT BUILDING SOMETHING NEW WHICH I LIKE. WE BUILD ANYTHING NEW.

THAT'S THE WAY I'M READING THAT. I GUESS THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. IS THAT CORRECT, RENT IS -- THIS IS LIMITED, THIS IS LIMITED TO REHABBING EXISTING -- INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ALREADY

HAVE. THAT WE HAVE ASSESSMENT. >> YES. THAT'S -- THAT'S ACCURATE. I THINK IT'S BROAD ENOUGH WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKS AND THE ROADS THAT YOU COULD BUY IF YOU NEEDED EQUIPMENT OR YOU

NEEDED. >> THAT'S FOR EXISTING -- IT'S FOR -- AS LONG AS IT'S -- AS LONG AS IT'S EXISTING TO IMPROVE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S WHAT I THINK MOST OF US

FEEL LIKE. >> THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT. WE HAVE A LOT OF --.

>> THAT'S BUILDING ON ONE OF THESE. YES. THE SITE OF NUMBER TWO, READ NUMBER TWO TO ME IT SAYS CONSTRUCTING.

>> DESIGNING, CONSTRUCTING, REPAIRING IMPROVING VARIOUS COUNTY FACILITIES. > FACILITIES WE MAY HAVE ON.

>> RIGHT. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE TO REHAB AS LONG AS THE EXISTING FACILITY THAT'S -- I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. SECOND IS -- LET'S ASSUME THAT WE -- ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SELL A BUNCH OF PROPERTY WE THINK IS WORTH A LOT OF MONEY.

WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANY BONDS AT ALL. WHAT'S THE COST?

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NONE. NONE. >> OKAY. YOU -- KNOWING BECAUSE YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE IF WE DON'T SELL THESE BOBBEDS THAT

YOU DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> AND WE AGREE WITH THAT. WE ARE INVESTED MANY. WE WANT A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES YOU EMBARK ON A DEAL AND WE WILL PUT A LITTLE WORK INTO IT AND FOR VARIOUS REASONS THE MARKET, THE INTEREST RATES GO AWAY AND YOU DON'T WANT TO SELL A PERIOD OF TIME WE DON'T GET PAID IF THE DEAL DOESN'T GET CLOSED. JUST -- THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I LIKE GETTING STUFF ON THE RECORD AND GETTING STUFF ON THE RECORD FROM ATTORNEYS AND FINANCIAL GUYS THAT'S A GOOD THING. THAT'S REALLY GOOD FOR ME. IF WHAT RU TELLING ME IS WE CAN GO UP TO 35 MILLION AND VERIFIED THIS FOR ME THAT WE CAN GO UP TO 35 MILLION AND IT'LL NOT INCREASE THE TAX RATE AT ALL. I THINK IT'S BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHAT YOU SAID WAS JUST BECAUSE WE DO THIS TODAY DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ON SEPTEMBER ONE. I WILL SAY THAT FOR ME IF WE ARE ABLE TO SELL A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT EQUALS WHAT WE CAN -- YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED IN THE BONDS OR ALMOST DOES THEN I WILL -- AT THAT POINT TO CHANGE MY OPINION ON WHETHER WE NEED TO DO BONDS OR THE AMOUNT OF BONDS WE NEED TO DO. BASED ON THE PROCESSES WHICH YOU EXPLAINED TO ME I'M COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING THE 35 MILLION AS LONG AS IT'S ASSURED THAT -- KNOWING -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT RICK DOES. CONSTANCE IS ALSO VERIFIED THAT GOING UP TO 35 MILLION WILL NOT AFFECT OUR TAX RATE AT ALL.

I'M GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

>> IS THAT YOUR MOTION? >> IF EVERYBODY IS READY TO DO THAT. I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THAT AS A MOTION.

>> WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT WE HAVE -- ALSO.

>> WAIT A MINUTE. LET'S MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE MOTION

HERE. >> YES.

>> YOU SAID A LOT OF STUFF. >> THAT'S FAIR. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH POSTING A NOTICE TO INDICATE THAT WE WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THE SALE OF $35 MILLION IN CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION BONDS WITH EXHIBIT A AS PART OF THAT MOTION INDICATING THAT WE WILL ONLY BE DOING THE THINGS AS SAID

IN EXHIBIT A. >> YOU STILL SECOND THAT? I

ASSUME? >> STILL TRYING TO PROCESS IT

BUT YEAH. >> LOT OF WORDS AGAIN. YES.

>> SAME. >> SAME.

>> I LIKE TO SAY A LOT TO GET A LOT DOWN.

>> POOR LORENZO. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WELL FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO -- EVERYBODY -- EVERYBODY INVOLVED THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I KNOW WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH. I HAVE BEEN ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SINCE I CAME BACK HERE. I THINK THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW FOR YEARS THE COUNTY HAS REALLY STRUGGLED WITH IMPROVING INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT AND IF WE APPROPRIATED C O'S ANDTHINGS FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS AND THINGS THAT WE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF AND SUCH AS PUTTING FIRE SPRINKLERS IN OUR COURTHOUSE. THIS GIVES US A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE FROM CONSTRUCT THAT MANY OF US SEE IN OUR RESPECTIVE PRECINCTS AND THE DECLINING STATE WITH ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO ROADS AND BRIDGES AND DRAINAGE. ANY WAY I THINK THIS IS REALLY GOOD AND WE CAN DO THIS WITHOUT HIM PACKING THE TAX RATE IS EVEN BETTER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS TOO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE YOUR HONOR. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED IN THE MOTION PASSES WITH THE FOUR MEMBERS HERE UNANIMOUS. ONE IS ABSENT.

>> IF I MAY, JUDGE I WANTED TO -- PASS -- I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY

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YOU TO BAR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY. >> THAT IN MIND.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOUR HONOR I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE BRING THAT RESOLUTION OUT AGAIN AND SIT SEND THAT OFF

AGAIN. >> THAT'S NOT PART OF THE

POSTED AGENDA. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT -- THE

NEXT MEETING. >> NEXT MEETING. YES.

ABSOLUTELY. AND TOTALLY. >> I THINK IT HAS TO BE CRAFTED A LITTLE BIT. THAT WAS OPPOSES LIKE HOUSE BILL 19 OR SOMETHING IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. YOU ARE RIGHT. COMMISSIONER THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AND YOU KNOW IT HONESTLY SADLY IT'S JUST ANOTHER -- IT MAY CHANGE THE LAST TIME IF WE CAN DO IT WE MAY

HAVE TO DO IT. >> YEAH. I AGREE.

>> WE UNWANT TO ALSO LET THE COURT BE AWARE OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU DID FOR US UP IN AUSTIN AND TESTIFYING AND EVERYTHING WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICES

AS ALWAYS. >> IT'S A TEAM EFFORT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE OF SERVICE TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE NO EXECUTIVE SESSION SO DO WE HAVE ANY ADJOURNMENTS IN MEMORY? WE JUST HAD COURT THE OTHER DAY. THERE BEING NONE IT IS 10:23 AND THIS COURT IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.