Jul 10, 2025 Commissioners Court - Budget Workshop

[00:00:01]

>> THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL RISE FOR THE

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

>> LET US PRAY. DEAR LORD, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN OUR WORLD.

WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR US AND ALL YOU HAVE GIVEN US. WE CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES IN THE FLOODING IN THE HILL COUNTRY. WE PRAY THAT THEY WILL BE COMFORTED BY YOUR ARMS AND THAT THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN LOST ARE WITH YOU.

WE PRAY THAT THE FAMILIES WILLWILL HAVE COMFORT IN KNOWING THAT THEY ARE WITH YOU.

LORD, WE ASK YOU TO HELP US WITH ALL THAT IS BEFORE US TODAY.

WE ASK YOU TO KEEP ALL OF THOSE HERE HEALTHY AND SAFE.

WE ASK YOU TO HELP REMIND US THAT WE ARE HERE TO SERVE NOT JUST THOSE IN THE COURTHOUSE, BUT THOSE IN ALL OF NUECES COUNTY. WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE FOR US, IN YOUR SON'S NAME WE ASK THESE THINGS, AMEN.

>> I PLEDGE ALEE YANS TO THE FLAG TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS.

>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THIS IS A WORKSHOP TODAY.

I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER PUSLEY AND MYSELF. I KNOW THAT MISSIONER MAHMOUD RESIDENT IS ON HIS WAY. I CAN'T SEE ON HERE IF COMMISSIONER GONZALES IS ON BY ZOOM ON MY COMPUTER. IT'S NOT SHOWING.

SO CONNIE F YOU SEE THAT, IF YOULD ADD HIM TO THE SCREEN. I DON'T SEE HIM.

IT IS 9:10 ON JULY THE 10TH. WE ARE ND I CERTIFY A QUORUM IS PRESENT. THIS WILL BE NO ACTION TAKEN TODAY. THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO ANY OF THIS. SO WE ARE CALLING THIS WORKSHOP TO ORDER. THANK YOU.

THERE WAS NOBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I SEE ONLY PEOPLE DOING

[3. BUDGET WORKSHOP: The Court will discuss matters related to Fiscal Year 2025 - 2026 Budget.]

FIRST UP, I BELIEVE WE HAVE -- I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO DO PUBLICEN COMMENT.

>> DAY NOT SIGN UP?

>> IS IT IN THE BACK? SORRY. BEFORE WE START THE WORKSHOP, BECAUSE HE WASN'T ON THE SCHEDULE.

I CAN PUT YOUR NAME ON THERE. IT'S FINE.

>> IT'S JUST THE ONE. SO I WILL CALL ON.

>> HE DIDN'T SIGN UP. WE'RE ADDING HIM.

HE'S GOING TO DO HIS FIRST AND KEEP ALL THE CONSTABLES TOGETHER. IT'S A WORKSHOP, BUT IT'S NOT A VOTE ON ANYTHING.

>> THAT'S FUN FINE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO CUT INTO HIS TIME.

>> YOU'LL BE NEXT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. YOU DON'T HAVE A -- I HEARD YOU WERE LATE.

OKAY. >> IS THIS ON?

>> YES, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> MY NAME IS JASON THE CONSTABLE FOR PRESINT 2.

THIS IS MY BUDGET PRESENTATION RIGHT HERE.

WE'LL JUST GET INTO THE INCREASED REQUESTS THAT I HAVE.

WE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR $5,810 TO INCREASING TO

[00:05:07]

MAINTENANCE REPAIR AND EQUIPMENT FOR VEHICLES.

WE ARE REQUESTING AN INCREASE TO $27,500. WE ARE ADDING IT INTO THE CAR REPAIR AND SERVICE $7,500. OTHER SERVICES WE BUDGETED $47,246. WE'RE REQUESTING AN INCREASE TO $52, 706. $5,460 ARE GOING TO REPLACE UNIFORMS. WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING TWO PEOPLE ADDITIONAL FOR BAILIFF/DEPUTY DUTIES.

OUR SALARIES WERE $6,611. AN INCREASE TO $726,635.

12 FOR THE TWO POSITIONS. IT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF $115,257.12. THESE ARE THE JUSTIFICATIONS THAT WE FEEL FOR THE BUDGET INCREASE.

YOU CAN READ ALONG. I'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH IT. OFFICE EXPENSES AND SUPPLIES HAVE INCREASED THIS YEAR. NOT ONLY HAS THE POST OFFICE INCREASED, BUT SUPPLIES HAVE GONE UP FROM JULY 24 TO 2025.

ALL REQUIRE MULTIPLE COPIES. THESE REQUIRE PAPER AND INK DEPENDING ON WHICH COURT RETURNS THE NEEDS. MANT ADVANCE REPAIR AND EQUIPMENT. IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING BATTLE.

UNIFORMS, WE'RE PHASING OUT THE OLD UNIFORMS. THE DEPUTIES THAT ARE RETIRING ARE BIGGER IN STATURE THAN OUROUR DEPUTIES. THERE'S A NEED TO REPLACE THE UNIFORMS. WE'RE REQUESTING TWO BAILIFFS AND DEPUTIES TO ATTEND BOTH JT 22 COURTS. THEY ARE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR PRECINCT.

IT'S ONE OF THE BUSIEST COURTS FOR DEBT CLAIMS. TWO IS FOR TRUANCY.

BOTH HEAR CIVIL LITIGATIONS. MOST, IF NOT ALL DAY.

IN 2- 1, WE SAW OVER 205 DAYS IN COURT. THE NUMBER OF EXECUTED ARE 343.

THE RITZ LAST FOUR HOURS, IF NOT LONGER.

TO DATE, WE HAVE HANDLEDHANDLED 6,000 CIVIL AND CRIMINAL PAPERWORK. WE HAVE FOUR DEPUTIES ON OUR DAY SHIFT. TWO GO TO COURT.

ONE GOES TO THE RITZ. THAT LEAVES ONE DECH DEPPTY ON THE STREET TO PATROL AND TAKE CALLS FOR SERVICE. TO OUR OVER 165,000 RESIDENTS IN OUR PRECINCT. MY LAST REQUEST IS TRYING TO STANDARDIZE THE DEPARTMENT WITH THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

YOU CAN GO OVER THE FIGURES THERE.

IT'S BRIEFLY IF YOU GO TO PAGE 4. 316,000 IS THE REQUEST FOR EQUIPMENT. THAT INCLUDES BODY CAMERAS, TASERS, AND IN- CAR CAMERAS. THEY HAVE ALL ALIGN ED US WITH BOTH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT. THAT'S ON PAGE 4, COMMISSIONER.

>> IT'S FURTHER IN THE PACKET.

>> IT'S THE COLOR COPIED NONBINDING.

THAT'S OVER A FIVE-YEAR PLAN. IT'S THE EXACT PLAN THAT THE SHERIFFS OFFICE ORDERED TWO YEARS AGO. THE REQUEST FOR THE EQUIPMENT, AS I SAID, TO START THE STANDARD DAIGS TO ALIGN WITH THE SHERIFFS OFFICE AND THIS WILL INCLUDE BODY CAMERAS, TASER AND IN-

[00:10:01]

WITH NEW AND IMPROVED DEVICES, WE WILL BETTER BE AE LINED WITH THE SOPD TO MITIGATE THE THREATS.

AS OUR DEPUTIES GO OUT TO SERVICE THE PUBLIC, WE CAN NOW TRACK THE EXACT LOCATION WITH THE DEPUTIES WITH THE BODY CAMERAS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WRAP THIS UP.

WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND.

WE FIT YOU IN FOR A SLOT. THIS INFORMATION YOU HAVE GONE

OVER IS GOOD INFORMATION. >> YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> MOVING ON TO CONSTABLE PRECINCT 1. YOU ARE UP.

>> WE HAVE THE HANDOUTS.

>> I HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THE SCREEN.

>> THIS IS JUST YOUR PRESENTATION? WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BOOK IS WHAT YOU TURNED IN FOR THE BUDGET CHANGE.

>> CORRECT. I DID KNOW THIS WAS THE FIRST.

THERE'S SEVERAL PAGES THAT ARE LIKE THIS. THIS IS UNREADABLE.

>> THERE'S NUMEROUS PAGES IN THIS BOOKLET LIKE THIS.

I'M USING THIS PAGE AS AN EXAMPLE.

I CAN'T READ THAT EVEN WITH IT.

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE SCREEN TOO. IS THAT THE SHERIFFS DEAL?

>> IF WE WANT TO HAVE THESE THINGS, IF IT THEY EXPECT US TO TAKE THESE HOME AND LOOK AT THEM AND STUDY THEM, AND WE CAN'T READ THEM, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

>> WE NEED TO SEND IT BY E- MAIL SO WE CAN ALL SEE BETTER.

>> OKAY. I'M DONE, THANK YOU. GOT IT.

>> I WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. I'M PROUD TO PRESENT PRECINCT ONE IN NUECES COUNTY.

OUR OFFICE IS CON CONSTITUTIONALLY CHARGED WITH CIVIL PROCESS, SECURITY AND DIRECT SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SLIDE TWO.

>> EXCUSE ME. I THINK COMMISSIONER MAHMOUD RESIDENT JUST JOINED BY ZOOM.

JUST TO THE LET YOU KNOW.

>> AS WE MOVE INTO FY '25- '26, OUR WORKLOAD CONTINUES TO GROW. PRECINCT 1 SUPPORTS THREE PRECINCTS AND JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURTS.

AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE MAP, I TRIED TO OVERLAY IT TRYING TO GET THE LINES CORRECT RIGHT THERE. SO EACH COURT GENERATES CIVIL PROCESS FOR SERVICE. IN ADDITION, WE RECEIVED CIVIL PROCESS FROM THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT, ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND OTHER AGENT JIS INCLUDING PROTECTIVE ORDERS, CITATION, JUVENILE SUMMONS AND FILING FROM EXTERNAL COURTS. THESE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE COMPOUNDED BY AN INCREASING NUMBER OF DISPATCHED CALLS FOR THE GROWING AREA. WHAT I MEAN BY DISPATCHED CALLS IS A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL GET CALLS FROM PD ABOUT CIVIL COMPLAINTS OR RIGHT NEXT TO SOMETHING GOING ON. BEING CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, WE'RE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO CALL ONE OF US UP. SLIDE THREE.

FROM SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023 THROUGH OCTOBER 1ST, 2024, PRECINCT ONE PROCESSED APPROXIMATELY 6,690 CIVIL PAPERS GENERATING AN ESTIMATE OF $1,252,000 IN REVENUE. BETWEEN OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 AND JULY 2025, WE HAVE ALREADY SERVED AN ESTIMATED

[00:15:05]

>> CAN I CORRUPT YOU? YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT'S STICKING IN MY CRAW A BIT.

THE POLICE GET A CALL AND THEN THEY CALL Y'ALL TO COVER THEIR CALLS? I GET THAT.

>> CORRECT. THE OTHER CONSTABLES CAN ATTEST TO THAT.

>> I BELIEVE YOU. IT'S ALMOST A LITTLE BOTHERSOME.

>> YES, SIR. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A DOCTOR. EAR, NOSE AND THROAT WILL ONLY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT CERTAIN TO GO TO SOMETHING.

>> WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT WITH PD. THAT'S -- NO OFFENSE, BUT THAT'S REALLY IMPOSING -- I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE LOAD IS ON THAT BECAUSE THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. IF THEY GET THE CALL, THEY NEED TO HANDLE THE CALL. HOW MANY CALLS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THROUGH ALL THE CONSTABLES?

>> SO FAR, WE HAVE GOTTEN APPROXIMATELY I WANT TO SAY LIKE MAYBE 45 CALLS JUST WITHIN FROM NOW TILL JANUARY.

>> THAT'S JUST YOUR OFFICE?

>> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> A LOT OF TIMES I'LL GET INTO THAT, WE CAN'T TAKE THE CALL, BUT I'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN A FEW SECONDS.

>> I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT -- WHY WOULD THEY HAVE TO CONTACT YOUR OFFICE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY.

>> LET'S SAY THAT A LANDLORD IS KICKING IT OR INSIDE THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY SHOW THEM A DOCUMENTATION. THAT DOCUMENTATION MIGHT BE JUST A CITATION LETTING THEM KNOW THEY GOT FIVE DAYS. AND THEY WILL SAY, WELL, I HAVEN'T HIT THOSE FIVE DAYS YET OR THEY PUT A NOTICE ON MY DOORDOOR I STILL HAD 24 HOURS.

PDEN DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS WHEN IT COMES TO CIVIL.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY MAJORITY, BUT.

>> BUT THEY CAN'T BE ADDING TO YOUR LOAD. THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING.

WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN. WE HAVE OUR OWN. IF THEY ARE GETTING THE CALLS, YOU DON'T CALL THEM AND SEND THEM BUSINESS,

DO YOU? >> NO, WE HANDLE IT.

>> THEY HAVE A COURT OVER THERE THAT HANDLES ALL SORTS OF CIVIL PROCESSES. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

>> IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.

>> NO, I KNOW.

>> GO AHEAD. THAT CAUGHT ME. WE NEED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT SOMEWHERE. THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

>> SO IN ADDITION, WE RECEIVED CIVIL PROCESS FROM THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT, THE ATTORNEYS GENERALS AND OTHER AGENCIES INCLUDING PROTECTIVE ORDERS.

I LOST MY THOUGHT HERE. WITH FULL- TIME COURT OPERATIONS AND CONTINUED ACCUMULATION, THE JP COURT, SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT, ATTORNEY GENERALS, JUVENILE COURTS, WE PROJECT AN ESTIMATED FINAL TOTAL OF 6,250 PAPERS WITH AN ESTIMATE OF $1,190,000 IN REVENUE. THAT'S GOING TO BE GIVE OR TAKE. SLIDE FOUR.

SO SLIDE FOUR, PRECINCT ONE CONTINUES TO EXPERIENCE A STEADY RISE IN CALLS FOR SERVICE AND FORMAL CLANTS. THESE INCLUDE BREACH OF CONTRACT, TENANT LANDLORD ISSUES, TOWING CLAIMS, AND OTHER CIVIL MATTERS.

THE POPULATION GROWTH AND RESIDENTS DEVELOP HAVE EXPANDED SINCE DEMANDS SERVICE DEMANDS THROUGHOUT THE PRECINCT. AS WE CAN LOOK AROUND, WE HAVE SEEN MORE APARTMENT COMPLEXES DEVELOPING.

ALL DOWN SARATOGA, ON THE BACKSIDE OF GREENWOOD, ALL THE WAY UP TO ANNVILLE. SO WE'RE ALWAYS SERVING PAPERS. SLIDE 5.

OUR DEPUTIES ARE RESPONDING TO MORE CALLS, SERVING MORE PAPERWORK, ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS THAN EVER BEFORE. AS THE AREA EXPANDS, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY INCREASES RESULTING IN A HIGHER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC STOPS, INVESTIGATIVE SPOPSS AND FIELD ENGAGEMENTS. THESE TRENDS NOT ONLY REFLECT THE OPERATIONAL VOLUME, BUT ALSO THE LEGAL AND LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES THAT SHAPE OUR DAILY RESPONSIBILITIES. DESPITE THE SUSTAINED OUTPUT FOR '24-$25, WE ARE PROJECTED PAPER SERVICE COUNT IN REVENUE REMAIN HIGH. FLUCTUATIONS ARE LIKELY. THESE FIGURES REFLECT DEPARTMENT

[00:20:02]

THESE REQUESTS ARE NOT MERELY ABOUT NUMBERS, BUT IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING THE COURTS AND THE COMMUNITY ENTRUSTED TO THIS OFFICE.

SLIDE SIX. IN ADDITION TO A RISING CIVIL DEMANDS, ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES HAS INCREASED.

ARRESTS, OTHER VIOLATIONS HAVE GROWN. TRAFFIC STOPS IN OUR OFFICE CLIMBED FROM 102 ANNUALLY TO AN ESTIMATED 180 IN 2025.

CALLS FORS SERVICE INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 40 INCIDENTS WITH CASE NUMBERS. MANY COORDINATED WITH CCPD.

THIS REFLECTS NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT EXPANDING RESPONSIBILITIES THAT REQUIRE URGENT STAFFING.

SLIDE SEVEN.

SO STAFFING REMAINS AT A CRITICAL CONCERN.

PRECINCT ONE MANAGES THREE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURTS, THE HIGHEST NUMBER IN THE COUNTY. EACH HAS EXPERIENCED A CONSISTENT INCREASED IN JUVENILE CASES ADDING TO THE FURTHER STRAIN.

TO AN ALREADY DEMANDING DOCKET. WHEN I TOOK OFFICE, I WAS ADVISED THE COURTS ARE NOT BEING PROPERLY STAFFED.

THISES WAS PARTICIPATELY DUE TO THE OVERWHELMING FLOW OF CIVIL PROCESS FROM THE JP COURT, THE ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE, JUVENILE COURTS, THIS GAP WAS UNSUSTAINABLE.

I MADE IT MY FIRST PRIORITY THAT EVERY COURT WILL RECEIVE ADEQUATE COVERAGE. TODAY ALL THREE COURTS ARE STAFFED BY DEPUTIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS CODE WHICH REQUIRE CONSTABLES TO ATTEND COURT SESSIONS AND SERVE LEGAL DOCUMENTATION AS DIRECTED. SO WHILE COURT COVERAGE IS NOW IN LACE, MEETING THIS OBLIGATION CONTINUES TO STRETCH OUR STAFFING MODEL BEYOND ITS LIMITS WITH FOUR DEPUTIES SPLIT, THE COVERAGE OF THE COURTS, I LOSE THREE IN THE SKMORNG THREE IN THE AFTERNOON, WHICH ONLY GIVE MESS ONE DEPUTY TO SERVE PROCESS AND ONE IN THE AFTERNOON TO SERVE PROCESS. AND THE COURTS ARE CONTINUALLY GOING. THEY ARE NOT SLOWING DOWN.

TO FILL THIS GAP, THE CHIEF DEPENDENTLY AND I STEP IN OFTEN SACRIFICING ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES, COORDINATING AND INTERNAL LEADERSHIP MEETINGS ASK OTHER DUTIES. THE CHIEF OF STATIONS IN ANVILLE TO COVER JP 13. IN ADDITION TO COURTS ALONGSIDE DEPUTY I MAINTAIN WORKING ALONGSIDE THEM. IN ORDER TO TRY TO GET MORE PAPERWORK OUT THERE WHEN WE GET AN OVERFLUX. MY ROLE AS CONSTABLE I'M NOT ONLY MANAGING LEADERSHIP RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT ALSO ACTIVELY SERVING AS COURT AND CIVIL PROCESS TO SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT'S OPERATION. SLIDE EIGHT.

STAFFING STRAINS FURTHER EXAGGERATE KBUB RATED BY ROUTINE LEAVE, INCLUDING VACATION, SICK, AND COMP TIME, WHICH REGULARLY LEAVES SHIFTS SHORTHANDED AND REDUCE FLEXIBILITY.

THESE ABSENCES THROUGH THOUGH NECESSARY INTENSIFY THE WORKLOAD FOR THE REMAINING DEPUTIES.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL GO BACK OVER HERE.

I APOLOGIZE. I KNOW I'M DRAGGING THIS ON TOO LONG, BUT ADDITIONAL DEPUTIES FOR THE ADDITIONAL DEPUTIES WITH THE BENEFITS IS GOING TO BE 162,77 . THIS REQUEST IS THREE POSITIONS THAT WILL SERVE AS BAILIFFS AND OTHER DUTIES AS DEPUTY CONSTABLE. WHICH WOULD HELP US OUT TREMENDOUSLY, SINCE WE HAVE A LARGE INFLUX OF PAPERS AND COURTS. SO SLIDE NINE.

SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT IS LIMITED OVER TIME.

WE ONLY HAVE A BUDGET OF $1,000. I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE THAT UP TO $2,500 TO MEET THE RISING DEMANDS OF COURT MANDATED DEADLINES, THE VOLUME, AND URGENCY OF CIVIL PROCESS, PARTICULARLY WITH PROTECTIVE ORDERS, ASK TIME-SENSITIVE FILINGS. PROTECTIVE ORDERS, WE NORMALLY GET THOSE AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND DEPENDSING ON HOW MANY WE GET, WE HAVE TO TRY TO LOCATE THAT INDIVIDUAL.

AND I HAVE MADE IT A POINT TO JUST NOT SAY, OKAY, WE TRIED THE HOUSE. WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT IT AWAY.

I WANT THE DEPUTIES TO ACTUALLYACTUALLY OUT THERE, TALK TO NEIGHBORS, TALK TO WHO THEY NEED TO TALK TO SO NOTHING BAD HAPPENS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, SLIDE TEN. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO

[00:25:05]

IF GIVEN THE THREE ADDITIONAL DEPUTIES AN ADDITIONAL $1800 WOULD BRING THE TOLD TO $5,400. SLIDE 11.

THE FLEET ALSO PRESENTS A GROWING CHALLENGE.

HIGH MILEAGE VEHICLES FROM 160,000.

WHILE OUR LEASED VEHICLES ARE APPROACHING 100,000 MILES, WE DID GET ONE NEW VEHICLE.

THAT VEHICLE IS WAITING TO GET PARTS. THIS COULD TAKE MONTHS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ONE MONTH. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO OR MORE MONTHS WAITING ON THE PARTS. I'D LIKE TO REQUEST FROM THE 20,000 THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER 10,000 TO INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET. I HAVE HAD TO REPLACE TRANSMISSION, AIR- CONDITIONING, TIRES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND WE GO TO SLIDE 12. PRECINCT ONE IS REQUESTING AN INCREASE FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE LEDGEER TO REFLECT EXISTING BUT PREVIOUS REMOVED CONTRACTUAL TECHNOLOGY COSTS. THIS WAS TAKEN OFF OUR BUDGETS WHEN I GOT IN THERE. WE GOT A BILL FOR $22,400. IT'S FOR THE CRADLE POINTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. AND IT WASN'T ON THERE.

AND WE HAD NO WAY OF TRYING TOTO FIGURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THAT MONEY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT NEEDS TO BE THERE BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS TAKEN OFF. IT WAS FOR THE CRADLE POINTS FOR THE MOBILE DATA SYSTEMS IN THE VEHICLES. SO SLIDE 13.

13 IS TO SUPPORT CORE FIELD NEEDS. PRECINCT ONE IS REQUESTING 1, 00 INCREASE TO THE SERVICES AND CHARGES LEDGEER TO COVER THETHE OF ESSENTIAL EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING TASER CARTRIDGES, PEPPER SPRAY, AND UNIFORMS. 14. FINALLY, PRECINCT ONE, IF APPROVED FOR THE DEPPTIES, WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST $1804 TO PURCHASE THREE NEW BODY CAMERAS. AND SLIDE A 15.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE TUBLT TO SPEAK.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING.

>> CONSTABLE, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AUTOMOBILES. SO THE PROCESS OF USING LEASED VEHICLES WAS STARTED BEFORE I GOT HERE, SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS IS WORKING FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT

SPECIFICALLY? >> I'M NOT TOO VERSED ON THAT, SIR. THAT WOULD BE UP TO -- ARE ALL YOUR VEHICLES LEASED?

>> I ONLY HAVE THREE VEHICLES THAT ARE LEASED.

>> THE REST THE COUNTY OWNS?

>> YES. >> SO I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO STAND HERE, IS THE PROCESS -- IS THE GOAL HERE TO GET A UNIT OF WHATEVER DEPARTMENT IT'S IN T GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT AND GO TO LEASED YUPTS? WHAT'S THE --

>> WE STARTED THE LEASING PROGRAM. THEN WE GOT IN TROUBLE WITH THAT A COUPLE YEARS BACK WITH THE BUDGET CRUNCH. I THINK WE SUSPENDED THE LEASING WAS ONE OF THE CUTS WE MADE COUNTY WIDE WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCREPANCY WITH THE REFINE RAIES. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE CUT THAT PARTICULAR YEAR.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT BACK ON TRACK WITH THAT.

>> LAW ENFORCEMENT DID.

>> IT IS BACK ON TRACK, COMMISSIONER. IT WAS PAUSED FOR COVID.

THE VEHICLES WERE TAKING A LONG TIME TO COME IN, SO WE MIGHT BUDGET IT, BUT THEY MAY NOT GET IT UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.

>> I FORGOT ABOUT COVID.

>> HE HAS IT, BUT IT'S STILL NOT EQUIPPED AND CAN'T USE IT.

IT'S TAKING A YEAR TO GET THESE VEHICLES OR SOMETHING EVEN AFTER WE APPROVED IT LAST BUDGET.

>> I THINK IT WAS 13 FOR THIS YEAR IN TOTAL. ALL THE VEHICLES ARE IN, BUT NOW THEY ARE BEING OUTFITTED.

>> I THINK EVERY CONSTABLE'S OFFICE GOT A NEW ONE.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN WE GOT THE VEHICLE, BUT WE HAD THE

[00:30:01]

>> ALMOST THREE MONTHS. IT'S STILL SITTING THERE WITH NO LIGHTS, NO GAUGE.

>> SO IS THE LEASING PROGRAM STILL SUSPENDED?

>> NO, SIR.

>> IT'S BACK ON?

>> IT IS ON. >> WHAT'S THE POLICY FOR UTILIZING THE LEASING PROGRAM?

>> THEY HAVE THE DATES AND WHEN EVERYTHING CHANGES OUT IN THE VEHICLES AND THE MILEAGE. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PRESENT IT.

>> THEY GET ALL THE DATA ON THE NEED AND THEY GO THROUGH TO SEE WHICH ONES SHOULD BE REPLACED OR CHANGED OR SWAPPEDSWAPPED OUT.

ONCE IT'S APPROVED, THEY STILL HAVE TO -- WHAT'S CHANGED IS THEY GET WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO SEE HOW THEY WANT TO OUTFIT THAT VEHICLE.

BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN PURCHASE ORDERS COMING THROUGH FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT.

IT'S NOT STANDARD. THEY ALL ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY WANT.

>> THAT'S MY CONCERN. I WANT TO GET MY HANDS AROUND WHAT WE'RE DOING COUNTY WIDE WITH RESPECT TO AUTOMOBILES PURCHASING VERSUS LEASING. ARE WE GOING TO GO TO A TOTAL LEASING PROGRAM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. IS IT A HYBRID? WHAT IS THE POLICY GOING TO BE? IF THE POLICY HASN'T BEEN SET, WE'RE THE POLICYMAKERS UP HERE. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND OR AT LEAST I DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT, WHY WE'RE DOING

IT. >> I DISCUSSED THIS IN THETHE BUDGET THE LAST TWO YEARS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW AND CAN'T AFFORD TO GET OUT HERETO.

IF WE WERE TO END ALL THE LEASES AND PURCHASE THE VEHICLES.

>> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POLICY IS FOR THE COUNTY. AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DOES OUR POLICY INCLUDE A PROGRAM WHEREBY WHEN A LEASED UNIT GETS SO MANY MILES ON IT, WE AUTOMATICALLY GET TO TRADE A THAT VEHICLE IN AND GET A NEW ONE. I HAVE ONE OFFICER SHAKING HIS HEAD YES. THAT JUST SHOWS ME WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> YESTERDAY IN COURT, PUBLIC WORKS HAD A VEHICLE THAT THEY REPLACED IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S A MEETING BETWEEN ENTERPRISE AND PURCHASING THE COST TO REPAIR THE VEHICLE WAS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE THAN TRADING IT THAN HAVING A NEW VEHICLE.

IT'S KIND OF A DISCUSSION BETWEEN ALL OF IT.

IT'S NOT A SET MILEAGE IN THE TRFS.

>> I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST DOING LEASING.

>> WE'RE NOT PURCHASING.

>> WE CAN CHANGE THAT. ED BUT THE POLICY HAS BEEN THE LEASING PROGRAM.

I FORGOT ABOUT COVID. WE GOT MESSED UP WITH THE BUDGET STUFF. LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PRIORITY ON THESE VEHICLES. EVEN THROUGH ALL THAT TIME, THEY WERE GETTING --

>> THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT GOT VEHICLES.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T GET

ANY VEHICLES. >> NO OTHER DEPARTMENT GOT THEM.

>> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD?

>> I WANTED TO ADD PURCHASING DEPARTMENT MANAGES THIS PROGRAM.

WE CAN ASK THEM TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

>> I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH RESPECT TO THE LEASING PROGRAM COUNTY WIDE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> POLICE OFFICERS, WHOEVER ELSE.

PUBLIC WORKS, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT. SINCE IS I HAVE BEEN HERE, I HAVE HAD NUMEROUS PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS COME AND SAY, WE'RE DRIVING CARS THAT HAVE 400,000 MILES ON THEM. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT TO A LEASING PROGRAM, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT LEASING PROGRAM AUTOMATICALLY REPLACES THE CAR ONCE IT HAS SO MANY MILES ON IT. AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING. IF WE NEED A POLICY ON THAT, AS SUGGESTED, WE NEED TO BRING THAT POLICY FORWARD AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF STANDARD FOR HOW THESE CARS ARE OUTRITZED.

IT CAN'T BE ONE GETS ONE ASK ONE GETS OTHER. THERE'S GOT TO BE A STANDARD THAT EVERY CONSTABLE GETS THE SAME CAR WITH THE SAME EQUIPMENT.

OTHERWISE IT'S NOT FAIR.

I GET IT. EVERYBODY WANTS THE SAME STUFF.

>> IF WE HAVE THAT STANDARD, WE CAN HAVE STUFF MORE READY AVAILABLE.

>> ONE THING THAT YOU GOT FROM THESE CONSTABLES, WE'RE ALL IN AGREE YANS WE NEED TO BE UNIFORMED.

WE'RE WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER.

[00:35:01]

>> MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO GIVE PURCHASING LIKE SINCE Y'ALL ARE UNIFORMED, SOME MONEY BACK THERE.

IF Y'ALL CAN PROVIDE THAT WISH LIST THAT SAYS EACH CAR WOULD HAVE THIS, THIS AND THIS.

>> THEY ARE WAITING ON PARTS.

>> IF EVERYBODY DEVIATES A LITTLE BIT, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T.

>> WE COULD HAVE STANDARD.

>> IT MIGHT BE QUICKER.

>> JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE A CAMERAS AND THE OUTFITS FOR UNIFORMS AND STUFF.

IF WE HAVE A STANDARD AND SOMETHING WE CAN BUY IN BULK, YOU CAN HAVE EXTRAS AND IT DOESN'T TAKE SO LONG.

>> WHO IS ORDERING THE EQUIPMENT TO OUTFIT THE

CAR? >> PURCHASING.

>> THAT'S PURCHASING. >> THEY ARE DOING THE GRAPHICS AND THE OUTFITTING THROUGH GNS.

>> OKAY.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE TO THE COURT.

I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN AWHILE. I'M TRYING TO GET BACK UP TO SPEED ON SOME THINGS. WITH RESPECT TO BAILIFFS, MAYBE THIS IS MORE A QUESTION FOR CONSTANCE AND THERESA. WHY IS IT THE BUDGET FOR BAILIFFS CARRIED BY THE RESPECTIVE JP COURTS? THEY ARE THE ONES REQUIRING THE BAILIFFS. WHY ARE WE CARRYING THE EXPENSE OF THOSE IN THE CONSTABLE'S BUDGETS, WHEN REALLY IT'S THE COURTS THAT ARE REQUIRING THE BAILIFFS. JUST LIKE THEY ARE UPSTAIRS.

DO THE DISTRICT COURT AND COUNTY COURT BAILIFFS, IS THAT BUDGET CARRIED BY THE SHERIFFS

DEPARTMENT? >> NO, EACH COURT HAVE THEIR OWN BAILIFFS. IF THE DISTRICT COURT GETS THE BAILIFF OUT, IT WOULD PROVIDE IT. WE USED TO REIMBURSE THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT FROM THE SALARY SAVINGS FOR THE VACANCY.

>> THEIR FIRST PRIORITY AND WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO IS TO PROVIDE THE BAILIFF FOR THE JP COURTS. THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THERE LIKE IT IS.

>> IT DOESN'T MEAN WE COULDN'T PROVIDE A BAILIFF TO GIVE THEM RELIEF. I DON'T KNOW WHY JPS DON'T HAVE A BAILIFF TOO. THAT WOULD TAKE SOME LOAD OFF THE CONSTABLES ALSO. THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE.

>> WE LOSE THREE PEOPLE.

>> IT MAY JUST BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

>> HERE'S THE DEAL. YOU AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

EVERY CONSTABLE WANTS TO BE EQUAL.

THAT'S A BIG DEAL TO ME IN THIS COURT.

IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THREE MORE STAFF MEMBERS, DOWN THE ROAD, SOMEONE IS GOING TO SAY CHRIS HAS THREE MORE AND JASON HAS TWO MORE.

THERE'S GOT TO BE AIZATION. NOW YOU HAVE A BIGGER AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT A BAILIFF SITUATION TO WHERE YOU GUYS CAN DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND NOT COVER THE COURTS.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. I DON'T KNOW.

>> I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO COVER THE COURTS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN JUST IF TALLAHASSEE CIVIL PROCESS THAT GOES ON.

>> CIVIL SPROS DIFFERENT. BUT COVERAGE IN THE COURT, LIKE SITTING THERE ALL DAY LONG, WE CAN GIVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT IT. WE COULD HELP YOU WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY BY PROVIDING SOMETHING FOR THAT COURT THAT YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR OFFICE IS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE FROM YOUR SHIFTS. IT'S JUST AN IDEA.

>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT POINT BEFORE I WAS INTERRUPTED. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COMMISSIONERS, THIS KEEPS HAPPENING TO ME.

I STARTED A PROCESS HERE. I GET INTERRUPTED.

I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FINISH WHAT I'M SAYING BEFORE WE DELVE OFF INTO OTHER CONVERSATIONS. I WANT TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW BAILIFFS ARE REQUIRED, WHY WE'RE CARRYING THAT BUDGET, AND

[00:40:01]

I THINK AS THE COMMISSIONER ALLUDED TO, IT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY FOR US TO RELIEVE THE CONSTABLES OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY SO YOU COULD SPEND YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS DOING THINGS THAT ARE MORE REQUIRED OTHER THAN SITTING IN A COURT ALL DAY. I THINK IT OUGHT TO MIRROR WHAT WE DO OVER HERE WITH RESPECT TO HOW WE DO BAILIFFS. THANK YOU.

>> THE OTHER POINT ABOUT THE DISTRICT COURT JUDGES, THE SHERIFF HAD ONE TO COME THROUGH HIM AND THE JUDGES DO NOT WANT THAT. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD UTILIZE WHOEVER WASN'T HAVING COURT BEFORE THEY CALLED HIM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

NEXT UP, WE HAVE MR. ALLEN. ARE YOU PRESENTING?

>> HE RUNS MY DAY-TO-DAY.

>> PERFECT.

>> WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> WELL, SOME OF US ARE JUST LOOKING AT THESE PRESENTATIONS. IF YOU HAVE REQUESTS ON THE BUDGET, IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT TO GO OVER THOSE REALLY QUICKLY ON WHAT YOU NEED, WHAT YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO CHANGE OR PROVIDE.

>> I LEFT MY CHEATERS AT HOME.

>> THAT'S OKAY.

>> PRETTY MUCH, IT WAS THE SAME AS THE OTHERS.

IT'S ALL EQUAL. WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN CERTAIN ITEMS. THE OVERTIME SALARY REQUESTED $1,000 BECAUSE WE NEED TO FILL SLOTS THAT ARE NOT FILLED.

WE HAVE OFFICE EXPENSES THAT INCREASE SORKS WE'RE ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE ON THAT ONE. WE ALL GOT CELL PHONES FOR THE OFFICERS BECAUSE WE WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TICKET RIDER SO THE CELL PHONES WOULD HELP US, SO THE BUDGET FOR TELEPHONE EXPENSESEN WENT UP.

Y'ALL HEARD ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE VEHICLES.

WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE OF $10,443 BECAUSE THE VEHICLES WERE ON THE ISLAND. WE HAVE A 5-YEAR-OLD TRUCK FALLING APART ON US.

>> HOW MANY MILES DOES THAT TRUCK HAVE?

>> LAST I HEARD WAS OVER 120,000. BUT THOSE ARE COUNTY VEHICLES. THE TWO FLEET VEHICLE, WE ONLY HAVE TWO.

THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH OTHER AGENCIES. WE HAVE SIX OTHER UNITS THAT BELONG TO THE COUNTY.

THEY ARE JUST FALLING APART. WE HAVE TO TAPE THEM UP.

THE INCREASE ININ PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. AND THE TRAVEL MILEAGE FOR TRAINING THAT WE NEED. THE BODY CAMERAS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY. I'M NOT -- PRECINCT FOUR PROBABLY NEVER CAME TO ASK FOR ANYTHING. SO GOT IN THERE IN JANUARY. I WAS LEFT WITH A LOT OF FIXING UP. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. I DON'T SEE IT IN HERE, BUT ALSO WANTED TO REQUEST AN IN- HOUSE ADVANCEMENT LIKE A PROMOTION. IT'S NEVER HAD A SUPERVISOR, WHICH WOULD BE A SERGEANT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT UP THERE THAT WE ENTERED FOR MAKING ONE OF THE OFFICERS EITHER IN HOUSE AS A SERGEANT WITH THE

PAY. >> YES, THEY DO HAVE THAT IN THE PACK THE ETS.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE IT, BUT YOU

CAN IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS. >> RECLASSIFICATION.

>> YES, THE RECLASS.

>> NEXT TIME WE HAVE THIS, I'LL BE MORE PREPARED.

>> THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. WE HAVE NO REQUIREMENTS TO ARM OFFICERS WITH THE NON- LETHAL WEAPONS. WE HAVE NO TASERS.

ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE THEM.

>> SOMEBODY ELSE SAID THAT ALSO REQUIRING CELL PHONES AND THINGS. IF THESE ARE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT THE LAW HAS CHANGED, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN THESE THINGS.

THIS IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY OFFICER?

>> THAT'S WHERE THEY COME UP. I HEAR A LOT ABOUT FMPLS THAT ARE REQUIRING US TO PROVIDE SECOND NON- LETHAL WEAPON. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT

[00:45:03]

>> THOSE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO DO.

>> ALSO OTHER THINGS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT ON THE BUDGET INCREASE. Y'ALL CAN DECIDE WHETHER IF IT QUALIFIED. THAT'S AN ESTIMATE OF THE YEAR THAT I JUST STARTED IN JANUARY. WE GOT ABOUT TWO OR THREE MORE MONTHS. I STILL HAVE OIL CHANGES AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS.

MAYBE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES LIKE A MECHANIC SHOP TO HAVE A ONE- STOP SHOP TO FIX THEM THERE WITH REDUCED LABOR. JUST A TOWING FEE.

$300 JUST TO GET IT TO A MECHANICS SHOP.

SO IT'S LIKE, WOW, THAT COMES OUT OF THE MAINTENANCE FEE. SO WE'RE JUST DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE. THAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE INCREASE. ALSO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS.

YOU WERE ASKING A QUESTION. THE SAME QUESTION YOU ASKED.

>> ON WHICH QUESTION? >> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE POLICY THAT THE COUNTY HAS OR HAS NOT ADOPTED TO WITH RESPECT TO LEASED VEHICLES, NOT ONLY FOR CONSTABLES, BUT ALL DEPARTMENTS. THAT'S NOT COUNTYING THE VEHICLES THAT ARE OURS. THOSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WE'RE STILL DRIVING AROUND WITH ANYTHING ON THE OLD VEHICLES.

SO WHEN THEY START THAT PROGRAM, IF IT EVER DOES START UP CORRECTLY, THEY WILL REPLACE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT WAS NEW.

TWO OF MINE ARE UNDER 60,000 MILES.

THEY ARE STILL IN GOOD CONDITION. SO THE OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE --

>> IF WE'RE UNDER A LEELSED PROGRAM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WANT TO KEEP IT.

>> NO, IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. I DON'T THINK IT'S WORKING PROPERTY.

YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY A GOOD VEHICLE LIKE THE FLEET, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRAND NEW, AND REPLACE THAT SAME VEHICLE WITH A NEW FLEET VEHICLE.

THAT LEAVES US MAINTAINING THE OTHER ONES.

>> THAT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE LEASED PROGRAM.

THEY DON'T WORK FOR ME BECAUSE I DRIVE TOO MANY MILES.

BUT IF YOU PUT TOO MANY MILES ON A VEHICLE ON A YEARLY BASIS, BUT IF THEY ARE MAKING SOME SPECIAL CONE KPEN SAGS FOR THE COUNTY WITH RESPECT TO POLICE OFFICER VEHICLES WHERE WE GET TO PUT MORE MILES ON THEM, THAT'S FINE. BUT ONCE THAT VEHICLE REACHES X MILES, WHATEVER THAT IS, WE'RE GOING TO WANT YOU TO TRADE THAT IN AND GIVE YOU A NEW VEHICLE. THEY TAKE THAT VEHICLE AND RECOVER SOME OF THEIR COSTS BY BEING ABLE TO SELL IT WITHOUT HAVING 300,000 MILESMILES IT.

THAT'S HOW IT TYPICALLY WORKS. SO I WANT TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

BUT THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE IS HOW MANY LEASED VEHICLES DO WE HAVE NOW BEING UTILIZED IN ALL DEPARTMENTS SO WE HAVE A CLEAR

UNDERSTANDING. >> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY THAT MICHAEL IS GOING TO BRING BACK AND PRESENT THE COURT.

THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP TO US IN A MEETING OR TWO.

WAS IT DIRECTED TOWARDS PUBLIC WORKS ON AN AGENDA ITEM. I THINK HE'S GOING TO COME FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE LEASED PROJECT.

>> I THINK TO YOUR POINT, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, WE STILL HAVE SOME COUNTY- OWNED VEHICLES.

WE'RE KEEPING THE CRAPPY OLD COUNTY- OWNED VEHICLES AND REPLACING THE NEWER LEASED VEHICLES.

SO IT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE THAT YOUR ASKING US TO LOOK AT, WHICH I HEAR YOU AND THAT MAKES SENSE WE NEED TO GET MIKE TOLL TALK ABOUT TOO.

BECAUSE WE KAPT JUST KEEP KEEPING THOSE AND NOT REPLACING THOSE TOO.

IF YOU'RE GETTING A NEWER VEHICLE REPLACEED WITH A NEWER VEHICLE, BUT KEEPING THE OLD CRAPPY VEHICLE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GETTING WHAT YOU NEED. SO I HEAR YOU.

BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING

[00:50:04]

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ALL SAYING.

WE'D LIKE ONE ALSO.

>> YOU WANT THE CRAPPY UNITS REPLACED. I GET IT. WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR ON THE LEASES, BUT YOU'RE ALSO RIGHT SAYING WE'RE REPLACING YOUR BETTER VEHICLES AND LEAVING YOU OLDER, CRUMMY VEHICLES. I GET IT.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD DISTINCT. WE'LL GET INTO THAT TOO.

>> WHY WHAT THEY CALL IT SO THE CITY IS NOT AWARE OF CIVIL PROCESS OR ANY KIND OF CIVIL LAW.

WHEN THE CALL BECOMES A DISTURBANCE, CALL A CONSTABLE BECAUSE IT'S A CIVIL MATTER.

IT HAS TO DO WITH ANY TYPE OF MONEY.

SO WE'RE CIVIL OFFICES AND PEACE OFFICERS.

WHEN WE MAKE THE CALL FOR THE CITY, EVERYBODY DOES IT. WE HAVE THE ANSWER.

THEY HAVE NO TRAINING IN THE CIVIL DEAL. SO IT IS, BUT WEEN DON'T MIND.

>> I OENT NORTHEAST YOU DON'T MIND.

>> I GET IT. IT'S EXTRA LOAD ON Y'ALL THAT THEY ARE GETTING CALLS FOR.

AND WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. YOU COME IN AND SAY WE NEED MORE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING MORE FOR THE CITY.

OKAY, THEN THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. IF YOU ARE COVERING THEIR CALL, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. IF THEY ARE CALLING YOU DIRECTLY, GREAT.

BUT PEOPLE CALL 911. IT GETS DISPATCHED TO THE CITY.

WE CAN WORK THAT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S A SHARING SITUATION THERE. WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. THOSE ARE CITY CALLS.

THEY ARE NOT REALLY COUNTY CALLS.

THEY ARE GOING TO THE CITY 911 OR WHEREVER THEY ARE GETTING CALLED.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU DON'T MIND DOING IT.

WE'RE OKAY WITH YOU DOING IT. WE NEED TO GET COMPENSATED FOR IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR MORE RESOURCES BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT, WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

>> THE LAST ONE WOULD BE THE SECURITY DEAL.

>> THERE'S CLASSES WE ACTUALLY TAKE.

IT'S DEDUCTED OUT OF THIS DEAL. IT'S FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. WHERE THAT FUND GOES, IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOCATED.

SO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TO PAY FOR PROTECTION FOR THE JPS.

BY LAW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO PROTECT THE JP COURTS.

YOU WORK FOR THE JPS.

SO IF THAT COULD BE LOOKED INTO ALSO, WHEN WE ASKED WE NEED A BAILIFF OR NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDED.

WHEN I STARTED HERE, THE ONLY THING THEY DID WAS SAY WE HAVE THAT FUND. LET'S GET THEM A WAND AND HANDCUFFS. BUT THESE GUYS HAVE HUNDREDS OF KIDS OR TRUANCY DEALS WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE COURT. OR FIVE SETS OF HANDCUFFS.

SO THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. THE HIGHER COURTS, WHATEVER FUNDS THEY HAVE ARE USED FOR THEIR.

THAT'S UP TO THEM.

>> DO YOU KNOW THINKING ANYTHING ABOUT WHERE THESE FUNDS GO?

>> SO WE HAVE A COURTHOUSE FUND HERE.

SOME THINGS ARE PAID DOWN.

>> THEY HAVE THE REVENUE.

>> THEY DON'T GET THEIR SHARE OF IT.

>> WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS AND SPECIAL REVENUES THAT ARE REVENUES SPLIT BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CHECK ON.

JUST FYI. I'M ASKING YOU NOW. LET US KNOW.

>> UNLESS HE HAS SOMETHING ELSE.

[00:55:01]

>> THAT THAT RELATE TO THE CONSTABLE WAS MAKING HIS PRESENTATION ABOUT THE REVENUE HE'S EARNING. WHERE DOES THAT REVENUE GO? HOW DOES IT GET ROW DISTRIBUTED? IS IT KEPT IN HIS CONSTABLE? IS IT GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND.

JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE DOING SOMETHING FOR 30 YEARS DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE IMPROVED. SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT ALLALL THINGS TO SEE HOW WE DO. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE DOING IT THE CORRECT WAY, FINE. MY REQUEST RELATED MORE TO HOW IT'S COVERED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

IF WE HAVE ONE DOING 200 CASES A YEAR AND ONE THAT'S DOING 100 A YEAR, IT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR THAT ONE CONSTABLE HAS TO COVER ALL OF THAT IF THEY ARE COVERING BOTH OF THEM OUT OF THEIR BUDGET WHEN THE JPS REALLY OUGHT TO BE CARRYING THAT LINE ITEM.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WE'RE DOING THIS IN A FAIR AND EQUITABLE PROCESS.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> DRIVING TO THE COURTHOUSE, Y'ALL GET YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK TO US. EVERY YEAR IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE SAME ISSUES OR THEY INCREASE.

IN THE END, IF YOU HAVEN'T PAID TEENGS OUR BUDGET PROCESS, I ALWAYS TELL EVERYBODY. THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATTER.

NOT THAT YOUR TIME DOESN'T, BUT THIS PROCESS WE'RE HEARING YOU. IN THE END, IF THIS COURT ONLY DECIDES WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT HOW MUCH WE TAKE IN TAX REVENUE, WHATEVER YOU REQUEST, IT GETS PUSHED ASIDE.

LET'S BE HONEST. AS MUCH AS WE SAY THAT WE SUPPORT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAY AND UNLESS THIS COURT COMES OUT AND SAYS WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT POLITICAL DECISION AND STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAX DOLLARS, YOUR REQUESTS ARE GOING TO GO OUT THE DOOR. LET'S BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE. YOU NEED TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE TO BE DELIBERATE FOR YOUR ASK.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS.

UNLESS WE SAY WE NEED NEW VEHICLES FOR PRECINCT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, OR WE NEED NEW BAILIFFS OR INETC. CREASED IN OVERTIME, IN THE END, IT'S A MATH NUMBER. WE TYPICALLY HAVE TRADITIONALLY SAID IN THE TIME I HAVE BEEN HERE, THESE ARE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND DON'T WANT TO HURT ONE OVER THE OTHER. THAETS LET'S MAKE THE SAME BUDGET CUTS ACROSS THE BOARD.

WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES AS A COURT, WE NEED YOUR HELP. IN THE END, THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

THIS IS WORTH OUR TIME. WE NEED TO HEAR.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY LET'S MAKE CUTS ACROSS THE BOARD, IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP. I HATE TO COME IN HAVING BEEN NOT PHYSICALLY HERE FOR THE LAST HOUR BUT LISTENING IN AND BURSTING ANYONE'S BUBBLE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT ENDS UP BEING. UNLESS YOU STAY ON TOP OF THIS COURT. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PASS IT OFF TO SOMEONE ELSE OR MAKE AN EASY DECISION. IT'S NOT AN EASY DECISION.

IF WE TRULY WANT AND NEED TO SUPPORT Y'ALL, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY, AND I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM MY FRIENDS FROM PRECINCT FIVE. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE NOT SPECIFIC IN WHAT WE NEED, THEN YOU MAY NOT GET THAT. IT'S OKAY TO SAY, LET'S MAKE A CUT. BECAUSE WE'RE ALL IMPACTED BY BUDGETS AND TAX INCREASES. BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IF WE DO SAY THAT, BY THE WAY, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FUNDING FOR THESE VEHICLES FOR THIS OVERTIME FOR WHATEVER ELSE IT IS.

PLAIN IS AND SIMPLE. LET'S BE HONEST AND CLEAR THAT OUT OF THE ROOM RIGHT NOW.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE JUST HEARING AND NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ON IT.

THAT'S BEEN THE PROCESS.

>> IF I HAVE A MAINTENANCE TO FIX THE CARS WE DO HAVE.

[01:00:04]

EVEN THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER UNIT ANY CAR. HAVE A MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR VEHICLES. THEY DO THEIR OWN REPAIRS.

MAYBE IT WILL LIMIT SOME OF THE COSTS ON THAT.

I'M NOT SURE. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

WHAT WE WOULD ASK FOR. WHATEVER HAPPENS IS Y'ALL'S DECISION.

>> WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> TO KIND OF GO GO IS WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER MAHMOUD RESIDENT SAID, ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO LOOK AT THIS LEASING PROGRAM FOR AUTOMOBILES ACROSS THE COUNTY IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, I HOPE WE CAN COME UP WITH A PROGRAM.

ESPECIALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE DON'T HAVE YOU DRIVING POLICE VEHICLES THAT ARE WORE OUT. THAT YOU'RE NOT SURE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT FROM HERE TO WHEREVER YOU HAVE TO GO TO MAKE A CALL OR TO MEET OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO. SO I'M HOPING WE FIGURE OUT A PROGRAM THAT HELPS US DO THAT.

TRY TO LOOK AT HOW WE HANDLE THE NUMBERS SO ALONG WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO BUDGET WISE, THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH HOW WE CHARGE BAILIFFS TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE GARAGE, I HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP WITH THE JUDGE HERE RIGHT AFTER I CAME HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THE CITY DOES WELL IS THEY DO MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH DIFFERENT ENTITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IF YOU HAVE A BROKEN CAR OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU HAVE A PLACE WHERE YOU KNOW YOU CAN TAKE IT AND GET IT SERVICED.

THEY ARE ALREADY APPROVED. YOU JUST GO OVER THERE AND TAKE IT THERE AND THEY CALL FOR A PO.

IT GETS DONE. SO THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I HOPE IT'S ONE WE CAN EXPAND ON. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ALONG.

WE ARE RUNNING A LITTLE LATE. IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG

DAY. >> IT'S MY FAULT.

>> THAT'S OKAY. PRECINCT FIVE.

YOU'RE UP. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS PRESENTING.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, COUNTY JUDGE.

IT'S GOING TO BE REPETITIVE. I HATE TO SAY IT.

I WANTED TO TOUCH ON COMMISSIONER PUSLEY ON THE LEASED VEHICLES.

THIS IS COMING FROM OUR DEPARTMENT. THIS IS MY OPINION. THE REASON THESE VEHICLES, THE LEASED PROGRAM, IT'S A GREAT DEAL. IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S TOO MANY MOVING PARTS. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT WHENEVER WE GET THESE LEASED VEHICLES, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TURN IN ONE OF OUR OLD VEHICLES, AND THAT'S GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. HOW ARE WE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE OLDER MODELS THAT WE HAVE ON THE FLOOR NOW.

ONCE WE GET A NEW ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE RECEIVED, EVERYBODY RECEIVED ONE PATROL UNIT.

WHEN WE RECEIVED THAT ONE, ONE OF THE OTHER VEHICLE, THE OLDER VEHICLES IS SUPPOSED TO GO AWAY.

WHERE IT GOES, AUCTION, NO IDEA. BUT GOING BACK TO THE LEASED VEHICLES, YES, I DON'T KNOW THE POLICY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT POLICY PURCHASING HAS CREATED ON HOW MANY MILES IT TAKES TO GET SWAPPED OUT. THE PROBLEM IS LET'S SAY -- AND I'M GOING TO USE 80,000 MILES.

WE START SWAPPING VEHICLES. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, PURCHASING STARTS ORDERING NEW VEHICLES.

BUT THAT CREATES THE PROBLEM. NOW WE HAVE TO WAIT.

WHEN THIS VEHICLE COMES, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE FROM THE MANUFACTURER OR THEY EVEN HAVE SOME SITTING ON THE NOOR. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THESE ARE POLICE- PACKAGED VEHICLES. THEY ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE USE ON OUR NORMAL DAY, EVERYDAY USE WITH OUR FAMILIES.

THEY HAVE BIGGER US IS SUSPENSIONS, BIGGER BRAKES, EVERYTHING. THEY ARE POLICE EQUIPMENT.

SO HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THOSE VEHICLES IN, WE DON'T KNOW. SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS,

[01:05:03]

THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE TO ORDER PARTS. BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW EVERY YEAR IT'S A MONOPOLY THING. THE CARS SWITCH AND MAY CHANGE THEIR BACKSEATS JUST A QUARTER INCH OR A HALF INCH DIFFERENCE NOW THE OLD UNIT CAGES PROBABLY WON'T EVEN FIT THE NEW CAGES.

SO WHEN THAT PROBLEM ARISES, WE HAVE TO WAIT AGAIN. SO THEN THE GRAPHICS. EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS DIFFERENT GRAPHICS.

BASED ON WHAT THE CONSTABLE WANTS TO DO. I UNDERSTAND THE SHERIFFS NOW GOING TO A NEW DESIGN.

THAT ALL TAKES TIMETIME SWITCH OUT THESE VEHICLES.

WHEN WE GET THESE VEHICLES, AND I THINK IT STARTED IN '21 WHEN THE LEASE PROGRAM STARTED COMING IN. SOME OF OUR VEHICLES, WHEN THEY GET SWAPPED OUT, NOW SOME OF OUR VEHICLES JUST ALREADY HAD OVER 100,000 MILES. WE, THE DEPARTMENT, ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR STRIPPING THAT CAR. IT'S OUT OF OUR BUDGET TO PUT THAT EQUIPMENT ON THE NEW EQUIPMENT.

WHEN WE GET A LEASE EQUIPMENT, IT'S PLAIN. THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE.

IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND OUR BUDGET HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM AND GO FROM STRIPPING IT TO BUILDING IT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. IT GOES BACK TO FUNDING. IT TAKES A BIG PORTION OUT OF OUR VEHICLES OR OUR BUDGET. NOW TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER PUSLEY'S QUESTIONS, WHEN WE HAVE ONE THAT BREAKS DOWN, THERE ARE CERTAIN ENTERPRISE THAT REQUIRES TO GO TO THE DEALERSHIPS OR MECHANICS BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT ALREADY SET UP, WHICH IS GREAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT. OIL CHANGES, BRAKES, TRANNYS, EVERYTHING IS DONE THROUGH ENTERPRISE.

BUT GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN WE GET NEW VEHICLES, WHEN IT'S TIME TO GET THEM SWAPPED OUT, THOSE VEHICLES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SWAPPED OUT AT A CERTAIN MILEAGE. S IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I PROMISE YOU. SOMETHING WILL ALWAYS GO WRONG.

CAN WE ALL GET UNIFORMED EQUIPMENT.

I WOULD LOVE THAT. I WOULD LOVE FOR THE SHERIFFS OFFICE TO BE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO EQUIPMENT. DASH CAMS, FIREARMS, EVERYTHING.

IT'S GOING TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY BECAUSE LIKE WE SAID, WE CAN HAVE IT IN BULK. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT IS PRECINCT THREE GOING TO DO OR THE SHERIFFS OFFICE. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO HANDLE THIS? WE CAN GET IT ALL UNIFORMED, IT WOULD BE GREAT. THOSE AREMENT SOL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING CONCERN WITH OUR BUDGET.

>> THOSE ARE EXCELLENT POINTS FOR US TO UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE CHALLENGES YOU'RE HAVING WITH LEASED VEHICLES.

IF THIS COURT NEEDS TO SET A POLICY WHEREBY WE DIRECT PURCHASING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT TAKES THAT REQUIREMENT OFF OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND MAKE IT IS RESPONSIBILITY OF PURCHASING, THE WAY I SEE IT, IF YOU NEED A VEHICLE, PURCHASING SHOULD BE HANDLING ALL THE TRANSACTIONS TO TAKE PLACE, TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT VEHICLE. WHEN IT SHOWS UP, IT HAS THE RIGHT CAGES, THE RIGHT LIGHTS, WHATEVER IT REQUIRES SHOULD BE ON THERE.

EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DONE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TAKE YOUR COMPUTER AND GO FROM ONE CAR TO THE NEXT.

THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE. BUT IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY. EVERYBODY HAS BEEN DIFFERENT.

WE ALL HAVE THE SAME SEAL. THE STATE OF TEXAS.

NUECES COUNTY.

>> HOPEFULLY IN THE REVIEW PROCESS OF THAT, PURCHASING IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY

HOPEFULLY. >> WE CAN TALK UNTIL WE'RE BLUE IN THE FACE. I TOTALLY GET IT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO GET THAT MONEY.

[01:10:04]

IT'S THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO KEEP OUR CITIZENS SAFE. CRIME IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. I PROMISE YOU THAT. PEOPLE DYING, PEOPLE GETTING INJURED ON A DAILY BASIS, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER WE'RE FIRST RESPONDERS. WE'RE THE FIRST ONES ON SCENE.

WE NEED GOOD VEHICLES TO GET THERE. SECONDS COUNT. SOME OF OUR GUYS COULD BE ON ONE SIDE OF THE TOWN AND THE OTHERS ARE BY LONDON. I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS TRAVELED FROM LONDON TO SANDY HOLLOW. IT TAKES 25 TO 30 MINUTES DRIVING SPEED LIMIT. THAT'S A LONG TIME.

IMAGINE US BEING ON A HIGH LEVEL TRYING TO GET THERE. BECAUSE SOMEBODY JUST GOT SHOT OR SOMEBODY GOT THEIR CAR ROLLED OVER AND GOT EJECTED.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET THERE SAFE, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS HAND IT OVER TO MY SERGEANT. HE'S AN OPERATIONS OUT IN THE FIELD. HE HAS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO BE GOING, HOW HE CAN EXPLAIN JUST HERE RECENTLY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE HAD ONE OF OUR OWN OFFICERS GET INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING.

HE'S GOING TO TOUCH UP ON THAT AND BRING YOU YOU TO SPEED. SOME OF THE CIVIL MATTERS.

HOW WE RELATE WITH PD, HOW WE WORK WITH THEM, HOW WE RESPOND WITH THEM ON CALLS, AND THEN ALSO THE SECURITY FUND. A QUARTER OF IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE JP'S OFFICE. AND IT GET RES ROUTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT. SERGEANT?

>> GOOD MORNING. I'M A FIELD SUPERVISOR FOR PRECINCT FIVE. I HAVE BEEN WITH NUECES COUNTY LAST MONTH WAS 20 YEARS FOR ME. THE MAJORITY OF MY TIME I SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF IN THE JAIL, WORKING IN THE JAIL, NOT IN JAIL. LET ME CLARIFY THAT.

SO MY TIME HAS BEEN ON THE STREETS.

MY CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT THE UNITS. WE'RE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS. WE NEED TO GET THERE SAFELY. WE HAVE SOME COUNTY- OWNED VEHICLES RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A UNIT THAT WILL TURN OFF ON YOU AS YOU'RE DRIVING, IT WILL TURN OFF.

AND THE GUY HAS ADAPTED TO PUT IT IN NEUTRAL AND TURN IT ON AND KEEP GOING. THAT'S A HUGE LIABILITY FOR THE COUNTY. WE HAVE ANOTHER OFFICER THAT EVERY DAY HE HAS TO JUMP START HIS CAR.

THAT UNIT, I HAD IT FIRST WHEN IT WAS BRAND NEW.

THIS COURT WASN'T HERE, BUT THEY PICKED A VENDOR THAT CREATED A SHORT IN THE CAR.

IT WAS NEVER ABLE TO BE FIXED. WE HAD A VENDOR A YEAR OR TWO LATER THAT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS.

THAT CAR, EVERY DAY IT HAS TO BE JUMP STARTED. A LOT OF TIMES IT WON'T TAKE IT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO EAT, JUMP IN THIS CAR.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUMP START YOUR CAR IN THE PARKING LOT.

SO THAT'S HOW BAD SOSM OF THESE CARS ARE.

THEN AS FAR AS REQUESTING FOR NEW OFFICERS AND OVERTIME FOR US IS A SAFETY ISSUE. WE HANDLING ON AVERAGE 700 CASES A YEAR. IF YOU CALL OR LIVE IN THE WEST SIDE, IF YOU CALL 911, CHANCES ARE YOU GET A PRECINCT FIVE CONSTABLE AND MAYBE A SHERIFFS DEPUTY AS WELL. SO FOR US, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.

ONE OF OUR GUYS CALLED IN SICK. WE HAVE TWO GUYS WORKING NIGHT.

THEY COVER ALL OF PRECINCT FIVE. AND IF HIS PARTNER CALLS IN SICK OR GOES ON VACATION, HE'S THE ONLY GUY.

YOU'RE ONE MAN. I WISH WE COULD BLOW IT UP AND SEE THE MAP THAT HAS EVERY PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLE ON THERE. THE CITY IS LIT UP WITH OFFICERS. YOU'RE THE LONE GUY ON THE MAP. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN IN PHYSICAL FIGHTS, BUT TO FIGHT FOR YOU IN FIVE MINUTES IS A LONG TIME.

[01:15:03]

THE FAMILY TURNED ON US. WE WERE TRAPPED IN THE HOUSE. WE WERE FIGHTING FOR A LONG TIME. WE WALKED AWAY WITH INJURIES.

SO THE CITY HAD TO SEND THEIR UNITS BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAD NO MORE UNITS. THE CITY HAS RESPONDED TO ROB STONE WHEN WE NEED HELP BECAUSES THERE'S MORE COUNTY UNITS. SEVERAL YEARS

BACK. >> DID YOU SAY THE CITY DISPATCHED UNITS TOO?

>> THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI.

>> WHY WOULDN'T THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN?

>> THEY ONLY HAD TWO. THE CITY ON THE GRAVEYARD SHIFT HAS TWO GUYS. LAST WEEK, PRECINCT FIVE HAD ONE GUY. THE OTHER GUY HAD TO GO TO TRAINING. THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT, SOMETIMES THEY ARE -- FOR US, WE CALL IT FAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE GUYS. MOST MODERN HANDGUNS CARRY 21 ROUNDS. A DISTURBANCE, THEY ARE LARGE FAMILIES. YOU'RE OUTNUMBERED REGARDLESS.

SO FOR US, IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. WHEN SOMEONE CALLS IN SICK OR GOES ON VACATION, WE WOULD LIKE THE ABILITY TO SAY, PUT OUT A MESSAGE TO OUR GUYS, HEY, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO COME AND HELP FILL THESE SHIFTS. BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVEHAVE OVERTIME BUDGET.

WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS IS WE SAYSAY COME AND WE'LL TRY TO GIVE YOU TIME OFF LATER. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE FREEZING FROM THE SHOULDERS OR FREEZING FROM THE FEET. YOU CAN ONLY PULL IT UP AND DOWN SO MUCH. WE'RE TOO SHORT.

AS FAR AS MAN A POWER ON SATURDAYS, I WORK BY MYSELF.

SATURDAY MORNINGS FROM 6:00 A.M. TO 6:00 P.M. , I WORK BY MYSELF. THERE'S NO OTHER OFFICER ON BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MAN POWER.

FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, THEY COME IN AS DISTURBANCES. THE CITY RESPONDS, BUT THEY CANNOT RESTORE PEACE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE.

THE CAUSE OF THE DISTUR TANS THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE, I HAD A CALL WHERE THE LIEUTENANT CALLED AND ASKED ME. THE SITUATION WAS A LADY CAME FROM LOUISIANA WITH COURT PAPERWORK TO PICK UP HER KID AT THE HOTEL. AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING.

SHE WAS REFUSING TO LEAVE WITHOUT HER CHILD.

THEIR QUESTION WAS, SHE HAS COURT PAPERWORK FROM LOUISIANA. IS IT ENFORCEABLE HERE IN TEXAS? SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE CALLED TO SITUATIONS LIKE THAT. TO GET HER TO LEAVE, WE HAVE TO ANSWER HER QUESTION CORRECTLY TO RESTORE PEACE.

THE CITY IS SHORT AS WELL. THAT'S THEIR OWN PROBLEM.

BUT WE WORKED AN ACCIDENT. WE'RE COMING UP, WE SEE CARS STARTING TO PILE UP.

WE HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THERE.

WE ROLLED UP ON IT. THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR 45 MINUTES. THERE'S NOBODY FROM CORPUS CHRISTI AVAILABLE. THERE'S A LOT OF MAJOR INCIDENTS. IF THEY GET ONE, THERE'S NO OFFICERS FROM THERE.

SO WE FILL IN. WE HAVE TO DO IT.

>> WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR EXTRA PEOPLE OR EXTRA MONEY FOR OVERTIME, IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE MONEY. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. AT ONE POINT, ONE OF OUR

[01:20:02]

THE RADIOS HAVE DEAD ZONES. YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

SO WHEN WE ASK FOR EXTRA PEOPLE AND OVERTIME MONEY, AND VEHICLE, IT'S FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. IF WE CAN'T AFFORD PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL ROLE OF GOVERNMENT SAFETY. I'M SPEAKING HERE AS A SUPERVISOR. I WORKED 18 YEARS ON GRAVEYARDS.

I KNOW HOW DANGEROUS WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ONE OF US GETS HURT OR KILLED OUT THERE.

WE HAVE ALREADY HAD A DEPUTY. HE HAD TO HAVE SURGERY ON HIS FOREARM.

HE WAS ABLE TO OVERPOWER AND GET THE PERSON IN CUSTODY.

THEN WE HAVE TO GO A MAN DOWN. OUR GUY WAS HURT.

SO FOR US, IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. WE REQUEST OUR BUDGET FOR OVERTIME AND MAN POWER, IT'S FOR OUR SAFETY.

THAT WAY WE CAN PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.

MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY THIS, BUT IF WE -- WE CAN'T SAY WE HAVE AN EFFECTIVE TAX RATE IF WE CAN'T AFFORD PUBLIC SAFETY. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD PUBLIC SAFETY.

I CAN'T SAY I HAVE AN EFFECTIVE SALARY IF I CAN KEEP MY HOUSE BUT CAN'T PAY FOR FOOD. THEY ALL DESERVE PUBLIC SAFETY.

THEY HAVE TO FIND A WAY IN FUNDING.

ONE DAY THEY ARE GOING TO GET HURT OR KILLED OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW, BUT ONE OF OUR GUYS IS ON CORPUS CHRISTI MUGSHOTS. HE'S ON THERE FOR HIS VIDEO OF TRYING TO APPREHEND SOMEBODY. THE GUY TOOK HIS TASER AND TRIED TO TASE HIM WITH HIS OWN TASER.

SO WE'RE FIGHTING. WE'RE GETTING IN PHYSICAL FIGHTS OUT THERE AND WE'RE BUY OURSELVES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE HAVE HEARD OWL OF THESE FROM THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE AND UNDERSTAND.

>> ON THE RADIO DEAD ZONE, THAT'S VERY CONCERNING.

SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTING LATER THIS MONTH IN AUSTIN.

I KNOW IT'S FOCUSEDFOCUSED ON PERHAPS WARNINGS, BUT EFFECTIVE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS THROUGHOUT EVERY COUNTY IN THIS STATE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. WHETHER IT DEALS WITH RESPONSE OR BAD WEATHER EMERGENCY RESPONSE, I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE. SO THAT MAYBE A BIGGER ISSUE. IF WE CAN GET STATE FUNDING. OR WHOEVER THAT WORKS FOR THE RADIO TOWER.

TO ENSURE THAT YOU NEVER HAVE TO DOUBT WHEN YOU DO NEED BACKUP.

THAT YOU GET OUT OF IT ON YOUR OWN.

THAT'S ONE CONCERN. OBVIOUSLY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS WE APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY AND BRINGING THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH ALL

[01:25:05]

THE THINGS WITH THESE VEHICLES, WE HAVE TO FIND MONEY FOR IT. IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BRING. HAVE YOUR CHIEF.

HAVE YOUR CONSTABLE COME TO US AND BRING IT BEFORE COURT OR SEND IT TO THE COURT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE FIND THAT FUNDING.

IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A RIG AS YOU'RE DRIVING AND PUT IT IN NEUTRAL TO KEEP IT GOING. OR YOU CAN'T TURN ON A VEHICLE WITHOUT JUMP STARTING. THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. THE ISSUES AS FAR AS JUST THE CONDITIONS OF THE VEHICLES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE HAD THEM SO LONG. THINGS LIKE THAT DON'T NEED TO WAIT ONCE A YEAR. THEY HAVE BECOME AN ISSUE MID-YEAR, LET US KNOW WHEN THEY DO SO WE CAN WORK ON TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION. OUR BUDGETS ARE LEAN.

BUT I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY WE COULD TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. IF NOT UNDERSTAND INDIVIDUALLY, BRING IT TO THE JUDGE. I'M SURE HE WILL BRING IT TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION TO TAKE ACTION.

SGL I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WOULD WORK WITH THE LEASED VEHICLES, BUT IF SOMEBODY CAN LOOK INTO THAT TO SEE HOW IT WORKS, THAT WAY ONCE TS FUNDING DOES BECOME AVAILABLE, WE CAN BE ONE OF THE FIRST COUNTIES THAT ASKED FOR IT.

OUR OFFICER WAS IN A DPS UNIT THAT DOES HAVE A BULLET- RESISTANT WINDOW AND THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T GET SHOT.

>> WE SHOULD PROBABLY LET THEM KNOW TO TALK TO OUR GRANTS DEPARTMENT.

>> WE HAVE BEEN BEFORE US. THE BULLET PROOF VESTS. THAT WAS A QUESTION AS FAR AS HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO HOLD ON TO AND BEFORE YOU GET A NEW ONE.

>> THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES BEFORE THIS FIVE YEARS, WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.

>> SOME OF THE OFFICERS OR DEPUTIES HAD 8 OR 9-YEAR-OLD VESTS. NOT JUST THE SHERIFFS OFFICE OR THE CONSTABLES, BUT EVERYBODY.

THIS IS NUECES COUNTY. WE SHOULD ALL BE UNIFORMED. WE SHOULD ALL HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT FOR EVERY VEHICLE. THE SAME FIREARMS, EVERYTHING.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY HAD A QUESTION.

>> I WANT TO ADD ON WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID. WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL Y'ALL BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND WE TOOK CARE OF THE VESTS.

I ECHO IT. THERE ARE THINGS WE DON'T ADDRESS DURING BUDGET AND THERE ARE EMERGENCY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO. THINGS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FALL, IN MY OPINION, AS URGENT, AS YOU SAW WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITIES. WE HAD A DISCUSSION YESTERDAY ON CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION BONDS. THE POLICY IN PLACE NOW REGARDING LEASING VEHICLES, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE COULDN'T DEVIATE ON A ONE- TIME BASIS TO SPEND SOME OF THAT CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION MONEY POTENTIALLY IF WE WORD IT RIGHT ON BUYING SOME VEHICLES TO UPGRADE YOUR VEHICLES OR ON A ONE TIME BASIS.

WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT. IF IT'S A ONE-TIME PURCHASE, IF IT'S ONGOING, WE CAN'T USE THAT. BUT DEPENDING ON HOW YOU SELL THOSE BONDS, THIS COURT IS CONSIDERING THAT. YOU CAN DO THINGS ON A BASIS.

THAT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE. WE DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR CAR IS NOT STARTING UNTIL YOU TELL

ME. WE CAN'T GET IT FIXED. >> THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

>> I'LL DEFEND THAT. THEY SAY YOU GAVE THEM A CAR.

[01:30:14]

>> SERIOUSLY, THAT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE.

THAT'S GOT TO BE LOOKED AT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. WE MAY NOT HAVE AN APPROPRIATE LEASING PROGRAM RIGHT NOW THAT DOES IT. YOU CAN'T KEEP KEEPING THESE 250,000- MILE CARS AND GETTING 60,000- MILE CARS REPLACED.

THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL EITHER.

DON'T THINK WE KNOW IT. IF YOU TELL US THIS STUFF AND DON'T ADDRESS IT AND TRULY PUBLIC SAFETY, SHAIM ON US. WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING ALLALL TIME.

BUT STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU ARE

RIGHT. >> ONE MORE QUICK WITH EQUIPMENT. IT AFFECTS THE CONSTABLES OFFICES. OUR WEAPONS.

WE HAVE TO BUY OUR OWN WEAPONS AND HOLSTER. THIS IS MY SETUP. WE HAVE TO BUY THIS OURSELVES.

SO WHEN WE HAVE A POSITION OPENED, WE HAVE TO TELL SOMEBODY, HEY, YOU CAN APPLY HERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY YOUR OWN GUN BELT, YOUR OWN GUN, YOUR OWN HANDCUFFS. AND THE COUNTY GIVES US A TASER. AND A BODY CAMERA. THAT'S IT.

THE REST OF THIS IS ABOUT $1,400 AT LEAST.

THEN AS FAR AS THE FIREARMS, WITH OUR DEPUTY INVOLVED IN THE SHOOTING, HE PURCHASED HIS OWN RIFLE. NOW HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT RIFLE BECAUSE IT'S HELD AS EVIDENCE. ONE OF US GETS IN A SHOOTING WITH OUR PERSONAL GUNS, NOW WE DON'T HAVE A GUN.

STANDARD IF IT'S A JUSTIFIED SHOOTING, STANDARD IS USUALLY THREE DAYS OFF AND COME BACK TO WORK OR MAYBE A WEEK. NOW THAT OFFICER HAS TO BUY ANOTHER THOUSAND- DOLLAR GUN.

THEY CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

IT'S THE SAME RIG AS THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT HAS.

THE TOURNIQUETS ARE ON THEIR HOLD STER.

SO THAT WE ALL KNOW EVEN WITH THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT, WHICHEVER, I KNOW HIS TOURNIQUET IS ON HIS HOLSTER. WE'RE UNIFORMED IN THAT AS FAR AS EQUIPMENT. AND YEARS BACK, OUR UNITS DIDN'T COME WITH RIFLE RACK LOCKS. THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT DID. WHEN ROMEO WAS HERE AT THE TIME, THEY ADDED IT AS NOW IT COMES AS A PACKAGE.

THERE'S AN INCIDENT.

AS FAR AS THE HANDGUNS. THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR HIRING.

BUT IT'S ALSO CAN BE A LIABILITY FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL.

>> I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING OVER. IT'S A LONG DAY.

NOT MEANING TO CUT YOU OFF.

I AGREE. THE STANDARD AND POTENTIALLY BUYING IN BULK AND ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> NEXT UP WE HAVE THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER. I'M NOT SURE WHO IS PRESENTING. I KNOW HOMER CAME AND TOLD ME HE WAS NOT GOING TO BE HERE.

>> GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

HOMER WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT HE'S ON VACATION.

TAG, I'M IT. I DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I'M GOING TO GO OVER.

ONE, WHICH WILL BE FROM OUR STATE AID FUNDS, WHICH HAS NO IMPACT ON THE COUNTY AT THIS TIME, BUT WE WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO, IF WE WANT TO DO A PROPOSED SALARY ADJUSTMENT FOR THE AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT RIL STAFF, THIS ADJUST IS FOR 16 PEOPLE.

THE STATE GAVE US A RAISE FOR JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICERS AND SUPERVISION OFFICERS.

BUT IT DID NOT INCLUDE HAVING OUR AXILLARY STAFF AND ASSISTANTS IN THERE. DURING THAT SAME TIME, THE

[01:35:03]

IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND $600,000. THAT MONEY WAS GOING TO BE EARMARKED FOR THE RAISE FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO AS TIME HAS GONE ON, WE FOUND A LITTLE POT OF MONEY WE EARMARKED FOR THEM. WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE THEM A 5% RAISE OUT OF THAT.

THE REASON FOR IT, BASICALLY, THEY ARE FINDING JOBS WITHIN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI OR WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY, AND WE'RE LOSING SOME OF THEM. THEY ARE VERY TALENTED PEOPLE. IT'S HARD TO REPLACE.

BY DOING THIS, WE'RE HOPING TO RETAIN SOME PEOPLE AND NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE COUNTY AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?

>> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> WE APPRECIATE THE CALL OF MANY DEPARTMENTS.

WE RUN A LEAN BUDGET. WE ARE PERSONNEL COSTS AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO WALK THAT BACK WITHIN A YEAR.

I AGREE. WE HAVE TO TRY TO DO IT.

IT'S NEVER A GOOD TIME. WE'RE EITHER IN RELIEF FOR LEANER TIMES IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TIME TO ASK FOR EVERYONE TO SACRIFICE AND PAY MORE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF COMPETITORS FOR OUR STAFF. I WAS JUST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION YESTERDAY. YOU'RE SEEING POCKETS OF PEOPLE COMMITTED TO NUECES COUNTY. BACK IN THE DAY, IT WAS SIMPLER. THEY COULD START HERE AND SPEND THEIR WHOLE CAREER HERE. AND THEN NOW THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED, IT'S HARDER TO HOLD ON TO THOSE PEOPLE. I'M SURE THE TENURE THAT WE HAVE HAS BEEN GREATLY REDUCED. SO YOU POINTING THAT OUT IS HELPFUL TO REMIND US THAT, YES, WE SHOULD OPERATE AS LEAN OF A BUDGET AS WE CAN, BUT WE'RE LOSING EXPERIENCED STAFF TO OTHER ENTITIES IN OUR AREA, WHETHER IT BE THE CITY OR THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

THAT'S A GOOD REMINDER. THANK YOU.

>> THE SECOND PRESENTATION WE HAVE IS GOING TO BE AN IMPACT TO NUECES COUNTY AND THE BUDGET.

THIS IS FOR TWO FULL- TIME JUVENILE SUPERVISION OFFICERS IN OUR DETENTION CENTER.

CENTER CENTER IS A LONG- TERM RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, OUR STAFF FOR 40 RESIDENTS IN EACH. NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE STAFFED FOR 40 RESIDENTS. SO THAT MEANS THAT EVERY EIGHT KIDS THAT I HAVE COME IN, I HAVE TO HAVE ONE STAFF MEMBER THERE.

IS AND THE MAIN CONTROL STATIONS DON'T COUNT.

SO IF WE HAVE FIVE ON THE FLOOR, IT'S REALLY FOUR AND THEN ONE DOESN'T COUNT.

WE HAVE BEEN VERY PRUDENT PROBABLY OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS OF WATCHING THE POPULATION AND OVERTIME OF WHAT WEWE EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE A POPULATION THAT'S TRENDING UPWARDS. AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.

FROM 2022 OR 2024, WE HAVE HAD A 55% INCREASE IN OUR AVERAGE DAILY POPULATION.

WE HAVE HAD AN INCREASE IN OUR FELONY POPULATION AND ARE VIOLENT IN NATURE. OUR CURRENT STAFF ISN'T REALLY MEETING IT. INCREASED NUMBERS, WE HAVE HAD MORE SUPERVISION, MORE COURT, WE HAVE HAD TO DO MORE PSYCHOLOGICAL VISITS.

AND WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, THAT'S CAUSING AN ISSUE BECAUSE WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH PERSONNEL COMING IN, IF THEY PUT THEM ONE-ON- ONE, THEN I HAVE TO TAKE A STAFF OFF THE FLOOR, PUT THEM IN A CELL AND NO LONGER COUNT SWORDS RATIO.

[01:40:09]

WOOR DOWN SEVEN STAFF JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE TIRED OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH. MAYBE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN BOTH FACILITIES TO COVER THAT IS A LOT TO ASK. SO WE RELEASE WHAT WE CAN, BUT WHEN MOST OF OUR INTAKE IS FELONIES, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RELEASE THEM. SO IT BECOMES A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN IT SHOULD BE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET BETTER ANY TIME SOON.

IEN CAN'T SAY. SO WITH TWO STAFF, IF WE ED ADDED TWO MORE STAFF TO OUR POPULATION, THE COST IS AROUND $75,836.80. NOW ONCE WE ADD THE FRINGE BENEFITS AND THINGS THAT GO IN THERE, IT GOES UP TO $92, 611. IT ALLOWS US TO MAYBE OPERATE A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER. WE CAN GET KIDS TO COURT QUICKER, GET THEM TO THE DOCTOR QUICKER AND MAYBE GIVE STAFF A BREAK AND ALLOW THEM TO GO ON VACATION AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE JUST BUILDING HOURS UP.

WE'RE TRYING NOT TO PAY IT ALL OUT. WE ASK THEM TO BILL THEIR HOURS.

THAT THEN THEY CAN'T TAKE VACATION.

THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> IT REMINDS ME OF WHEN I WORKED FOR THE STATE AND CASE WORK AS AN INVESTIGATOR TO FAMILY PROTECTIVE SERVICES. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME THING, THE SAME ISSUE. JUST UNDERSTAFFED AND OVERWHELMED. IT TOOK A SIZABLE COMMITMENT FROM THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO GET PS TO THAT LEVEL.

I SEE THE SAME PARALLELS HERE. IT'S THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE AN INTENTIONAL COMMITMENT TO GET TO THAT LEVEL TO EVEN CUT SOME OF THE WORKLOAD IN HALF. MAYBE NOT SOLVE ALL OF IT, BUT CREATE A PLAN FOR THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO ROLL INTO THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S TOO MUCH. WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TO FULL STAFF, THAT'S NEVER A GOOD THING. YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO TRY TO BE CATCHING UP. SOMEONE, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT CYCLE.

MAYBE EVEN YEAR THREE TO WHERE WE CAN SLOWLY GET BACK. ALSO TO SEND THE MESSAGEMESSAGE STAFF IS THAT HELP EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE FULL.

THAT'S MY HOPE. I JUST THINK FEEL FOR YOU ALL. I'M KIND OF HAVING PTSD.

DEFINITELY HARD CORE MEMORIES OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT AS FAR AS JUST INUNDATED AND LATE HOURS AND THAT STRESS DOES NOT HELP WORKLOAD. IT DOES NOT HELP THE CLIENTS THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO SERVE, THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO THEY NEED THEIR DUE PROCESS AND THE ABILITY TO TRY TO HOPEFULLY REHAB THEIR LIVES. CAN'T DO THAT IF Y'ALL ARE BURNED OUT AND STRETCHED OUT TOO

THIN. >> I HAVE MET WITH ALL THE LEADS IN BOTH INSTITUTIONS YESTERDAY. I SAT DOWN AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WE'RE FACING. SOME OF THE TRAINING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO MOVING FORWARD. ASKED THEM TO BE ON OUR TEAM AND JUST HOLD TIGHT. I CAN GET STAFF IN.

I FIGURED OUT SOME IDEAS TO GET THEM IN A LITTLE BIT QUICKER RATHER THAN TAKING A MONTH AND A HALF TO HIRE SOMEBODY, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THEM IN IN TWO TO THREE WEEKS.

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. AND KIND OF INVOLVE THEM IN THE TRAINING PROCESS. MAKE THEM HAVE SOME BUY IN INTO THE DEPARTMENT. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY DEPARTMENT GOING THROUGH THIS. IT'S MOST OF THEM.

>> WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE PAST TWO YEARS AND EVERYONE BEING WILLING, UNWILLING, SUFFERING THROUGH WITH US, WHOEVER YOU WANT TO STATE IT, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE PATIENCE.

WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND BRING SOME RELIEF THIS TIME

AROUND. >> THANK YOU.

[01:45:04]

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> NEXT UP, WE ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE EARLY NOW. SO THAT'S GREAT. SHERIFF, YOU ARE ON. YOU'RE UP.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING.

NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF AND NUECES COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE HAS ONE ASK.

THAT IS A NEW JAIL.

>> OH, GOSH. >> THANK YOU.

>> OUCH.

>> I HAD TO BRING SOME LEVITY. I DON'T ENVY Y'ALL.

Y'ALL HAVE A TOUGH JOB. YOU'RE LISTENING TO BEGS AND PLEAS, NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT YOUR WALLET LOOKS LIKE.

SO THIS IS A PROCESS. I RESPECT IT.

I WILL DO MY BEST TO KEEP IT BRIEF, CONCISE, BUT VERY ACCURATE.

SO FIRST SLIDE PLEASE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON THE FIRST SLIDE IS OUR CURRENT BUDGET. WE HAVE THREE GENERAL FUND.

WE HAVE $3700, IN THE PROCESS OR DURING THE COURSE OF MY PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE COMBINE 3710, WHICH IS A VERY SMALL UNIT FOR IDENTIFICATION THAT HAS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP AND DEPENDENCY ON THE JAIL, SO WE WANT TO COMBINE THAT WITH 3720. SO THAT WILL BE PART OF IT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THESE ARE PERSONNEL REQUESTS.

AND BEFORE I ASK YOU FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, I WANT TO TELL YOU IN 3700, 3700 IS PATROL IS DETECTIVES AND WARRANTS. THESE ARE THE MAJORITY OF OUR BADGE AND GUN CARRYING EMPLOYEES. IN 3700, I'M GOING TO GIVE UP A CAPTAIN POSITION AND DROP THAT DOWN TO A SERGEANT SLOT.

WE NEED THAT ADDITIONAL SUPERVISION IN THE JAIL. SO WE WILL GIVE UP THE CAPTAINS SLOT TO CREATE A THAT SERGEANT SLOT. THAT'S A SAVINGS OVER $12,000 A YEAR.

WE NEED TO USE PART OF THAT SAVINGS RECLASSIFY SOME ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS. WE HAVE A DIG CANT NUMBER OF CIVILIANS THAT NEED TO BE BUMPED UP TO THE NEXT GRADE. THE CAPTAIN TO THE SERGEANT, AND THEN ALSO IF YOU KIND OF GLANCE DOWN AT 73720, WE'RE WILLING TO DELETE TWO I.D. CLERKS BECAUSE OF BETTER EFFICIENCY IN OUR I.D.

SECTION ALONG WITH COMBINING IT WITH 3720.

DELETING THOSE TWO CLERK POSITIONS WILL SAVE THE COUNTY OVER $79,000 A YEAR. SO BY TAKINGTAKING TWO SAVINGS THIS WE'RE PUTTING ON THE TABLE, WE'D LIKE TO USE THOSE SAVINGS TO RECLASSIFY SOME CRIME DATA POSITIONS AND NONLAW ENFORCEMENT POSITIONS IN 3720.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH A WASH IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. SO I THINK THAT'S A REALISTIC ASK. AND NOW THIS IS AN ALL- OUT ASK OF ABOUT $46,000 A YEAR. WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TO DO IN OUR EVIDENCE LOCKER.

AND WE NEED A DESIGNATED EMPLOYEE TO FILL THATTHAT POSITION. WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE JUST RECENTLY, IT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF YEARS AGO, AND THAT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO HELP THE DISTRICT CLERK DEAL WITH EVIDENCE THAT IS STACKED UP IN THE DISTRICT CLERK'S STORAGE BIN. IT'S MASSIVE. IT'S BEEN ACCUMULATING FOR YEARS. THAT PROPERTY WORKING WITH THETHE DISTRICT CLERKCLERK

[01:50:01]

WE BELIEVE WE CAN FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION OF DEALING WITH THAT PROPERTY IF WE HAVE THAT DESIGNATED EMPLOYEE TO DO IT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT JUST BENEFIT THE SHERIFF AND MY STATUTORY OBLIGATION, BUT IT WOULD BENEFIT THE DISTRICT CLERK AS WELL.

>> WITH RESPECT TO THAT, WE HAVE A RECORD CENTER THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT CLERK IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS

FOR THOSE ISSUES. >> THIS IS EVIDENTIARY STUFF.

THIS IS GUNS AND BATS AND KNIVES AND STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DISPOSED OF. EITHER DESTROYED OR IF THE CASE IS STILL IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM SOMEWHERE, IF SOMEBODY IS SIGNATURE ON DEATH ROW, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DESTROYED.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> BUT IT CAN'T JUST GO INTO THE OLD BAKERY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. WHAT I'M SAYING ISIS WE A RECORDS RETENTION POLICY, WE HAVE A RECORDS DEPARTMENT. WE'RE FIXING TO MOVE THAT RECORDS DEPARTMENT OVER TO A NEW BUILDING AND BUILD IT OUT SO HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE MORE ROOM.

I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER PERSON TO SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT TO WORK ON RECORDS.

>> THIS ISN'T RECORDS.

THIS IS EVIDENCE. THIS IS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.

THIS ISN'T PAPER TO BE SHREDDED

OR STORED. >> NEVER MIND.

>> IT'S OTHER EVIDENCE YOU CAN FIND IN A DRUG CASE.

>> IT WAS USED IN COURT. SOMEONE GOT CONVICTED OR ACQUITTED. WE'RE STILL KEEPING IT. MAYBE SHE CAN CLARIFY.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FORFOR HER, BEST FOR THE COUNTY AND THE SHERIFFS OFFICE IF WE PROCESSED ALL THAT STUFF. WE NOW HAVE OUR OWN EVIDENCE LOCKER. 3720.

WE'RE ASKING FOR 10 ADDITIONAL. WE ARE FULLY STAFFED IN THE JAIL. BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR 10 ADDITIONAL ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS TO SUPPLEMENT PRISONER TRANSPORT AND TO SUPPLEMENT A VERY SIGNIFICANT PART OF WHAT WE DO, AND THAT IS JAIL INDUSTRIES.

AND I'LL HAVE CAPTAIN WILL BYBY YOU MORE ABOUT THAT. WE BUDGETED. AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE SPENT ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WAS BUDGETED LAST YEAR FOR PRISONER TRANSPORT. AND WE HAVE SPENT IT PRIMARILY BY USING PRIVATE INDUSTRY PRISONER TRANSPORT COMPANIES. EVERY TIME A NEED COMES IN TO MOVE A PRISONER OR TO BRING A PRISONER HERE FROM ANOTHER JURISDICTION WHERE THEY WERE ARRESTED, WE LOOK AT IT AND CHIEF COOK ANALYZES WHETHER THAT IS A DAY TRIP OR MORE THAN A DAY, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE LODGING AND ACCOMMODATIONS FOR A PRISONER IF YOU MOVE HIM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS.

SO THERE ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT DO THAT. SO EVERY REQUEST OR EVERY NEED THAT COMES IN TO PERFORM ONE OF THOSE MOVEMENTS, WE PUT IT OUT FOR BID.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. SOMETIMES WE GET AS MANY AS FOUR BIDS. WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN STICKING WITH THE LOWEST BID EVERY SINGLE TIME.

BUT LAST YEAR, WE SPENT $256,000 PAYING THOSE COMPANIES TO DO THAT. WE DO THAT BY AUGMENTING THE STAFFING IN OUR TRANSPORT DIVISION. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS ABOUT.

FIVE OF THEM. >> SO YOU'RE SAYING OF THE TEN CORRECTION OFFICERS, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE

TRANSPORT? >> WE WANT FIVE OF THOSE FOUR TRANSPORTS. WE'D LIKE THE OTHER FIVE TO BE IN JAIL INDUSTRIES.

RECENTLY USED THEM FOR THAT MASSIVE CLEAN UP. BUT JAIL INDUSTRIES IS

[01:55:08]

WHEN WE TAKE AN INMATE THAT FITS THE CRITERIA, THE CLASSIFICATION LEVEL, TO GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND DO WORK OUT THERE, THEY HAVE TO BE SUPERVISED. THEY HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED AND THEY HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK SAFE AND CLEAN AND A BACK INTO HOUSING.

SO WE COULD DO BETTER ININ SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND THE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN TEXAS.

HE TOLD ME THERE WERE SEVEN OR EIGHT PROPERTIES INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF ROBSTOWN THAT WERE IN VIOLATION OF ROBSTOWN CODE. THEY WERE OVERGROWN.

THEY WERE FIRE HAZARDS. THEY WERE BEING USED FOR PROSTITUTION.

SO I GOT WITH CAPTAIN WILL BY. WE SENT JAIL INDUSTRIES DEPUTIES AND TRUSTEES TO AND WE STARTED TAKING CARE OF COUNTY PROPERTY IN ROBSTOWN.

HE WAS GOING TO WRITE ME A TICKET.

I'M JOKING. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THE COUNTY WAS IN VIOLATION OF A ROBSTOWN ZONING ORDINANCE WHEN IT CAME TO UPKEEP OF PROPERTIES.

SS THEY WERE OUR RESPONSIBILITY. WE HAVE MAINTAINED THAT SCHEDULE.

>> CAN I ASK REAL QUICK ON THE TRANSPORTATION BEFORE YOU GET A OFF THAT? IS YOUR CONTENTION THESE FIVE COULD COMPLETELY REPLACE THE BUDGET LINE ITEM?

>> I CAN'T SAY COMPLETELY, BUT IT WOULD MAKE A HELL OF A DENT IN THAT EXPENSE.

CAN WE GET SOME SORT OF ANALYSIS TO SHOW HOW CLOSE IT IS?

>> IT'S UNPREDICTABLE. WE COULD GET A TRANSPORT FROM FLORIDA TOMORROW OR GO A WHOLE YEAR WITHOUT GETTING A TRANSPORT FROM MONTANA.

AND SO WE COULD BALLPARK IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE IT WOULD BE.

>> WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO HIRE A COMPANY TO DO THAT.

>> THE FIVE WOULD TAKE CARE OF LOCAL TRANSFERS?

>> SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. THAT VOLUME HAS INCREASED TOO. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

OUT AT THE ANNEX A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE VERY FEW MEDICAL INMATES WITH HIGH MEDICAL DEMAND.

BY THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAS CHANGED. NOW WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF INMATES THAT NEED THOSE SERVICES. AND THOSE SERVICES ARE EXTREMELY DEPENDENT ON TRANSPORTATION. SO THAT'S JUST A CHANGE IN DEMOGRAPHICS THAT HAS CHANGED OUR DEMANDS ON OUR TRANSPORTATION CREW.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> WOULD THESE PEOPLE COULD YOU SAY THEY WOULD TRANSPORT WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS?

>> YES.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> SO IF YOU HAD THOSE FIVE INDIVIDUALS, YOU'LL HAVE TO BUY HOW MANY CARS?

>> I THINK THERE COULD BE A NEED AND THAT MIGHT BE IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR AN ADDITIONAL VAN.

>> SO THIS WOULD BE ONLY FOR LOCAL TRANSFERS?

>> AND IT WOULD GIVE US MORE OPPORTUNITY THROUGHOUT THE STATE AS WELL.

BUT PRIMARILY LOCAL.

>> THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THE LIABILITY THAT WE ALSO ASSUME WHEN WE START HAVING OUR EMPLOYEES TRANSPORT THOSE FOLKS IT'S WHAT WE DOO.

>> SAN ANTONIO, MOSTLY DAY TRIPS.

>> COMMISSIONER, EVERY TRANSPORT THAT COMES IN, IF WE DON'T USE ONE OF OUR PERSONS, THEN I HAVE TO EVALUATE WHETHER WE WANT TO

[02:00:07]

AND THOSE CAN COST US ANYWHERE FROM AN AVERAGE OF $550 UP IF IT GOES CROSS COUNTRY, WE WOULDN'T BE HANDLING THE ONES CROSS COUNTRY, UP TO $3,000. WE'RE COMING INTO THE END OF JULY AND WE'RE ALREADY AT $250,000 THAT HAVE GONE TO THESE THIRD- PARTY COMPANIES.

YOU CAN ANTICIPATE BETWEEN $500 TO $700,000 IF IT CONTINUES. SO WE WANT TO -- THERE'S ONES THAT SOME OF THE DAY TRIPS WE CAN'T TAKE BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT OF PERSONNEL.

WITH ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, WE COULD HANDLE MORE OF TO REDUCING COSTS TO THE COUNTY OVERALL.

>> SO JAIL INDUSTRIES. THEY DO AN AWFUL LOT.

LIKE I ALREADY EXPLAINED, BUT CAPTAIN CAN GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR WITH OUR JAIL INDUSTRY PROGRAM.

>> WE CALL ON THEM FOR A LOT. WE'RE VERY THANKFUL.

>> COMPETED $140,000 IN CONTRIBUTIONS BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

THAT RANGES FROM MOWING, LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS, HILL TOP TAKING CARE OF THE COUNTY CEMETERY.

WE DID THE COUNTYCOUNTY 40 CLEANUP. WE'LL BE BACK OUT THERE.

WE NEED ADDITIONAL MAN POWER TO ACCOMPLISH MORE STUFF. WE NEED TO BREAK THAT PROJECT UP INTO FOURS. TAX PROPERTIES ACROSS MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. THERE'S 40 IN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. WE HAVE 14 IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. OUR LIST GETS UPDATED EVERY MONTH. SO WE HAVE ALL THIS TO DEAL WITH.

IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE. WE JUST ASSISTED PUBLIC WORKS AND DIGGING OUT THE TUNNEL TO STOP A ROOF LEAK. WE'RE TRYING TO TABULATE THE COST OF THAT. WHEN WE CONTRIBUTED BACK, WE'RE BASING THAT ON WHAT IT WOULD COST AT MINIMUM WAGE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME OUT AND DO THESE JOBS. WE'RE NOT TRULY GOING TO GET A CONTRACTOR OUT HERE TO DIG OUT FOR MINIMUM WAGE.

WE'RE FIGURING THAT FOR LABOR. WE'D LIKE TO DO MORE.

WE NEED TO DO MORE. WE GET CALLS ALL THE TIME.

WE HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT. IT WASN'T OUR PROPERTY. BUT THEY WERE CALLING ABOUT IT. PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUTABOUT IT. IT WAS A TAX PROPERTY, BUT IT'S BEEN SOLD. WE ARE DEALING WITH ALL THAT.

WE HAD HAD CREWS OUT THERE MAINTAINING FIVE AND WERE BACK OUT. WE DO MAINTAIN A WIDE PROPERTY.

WE DO A LOT OF STUFF. >> WE APPRECIATE IT.

I KNOW ONE OF THOSE OTHER ONES WAS AVIATOR FIELD WHEN WE WERE IN A BIND OVERNIGHT NEEDED HELP.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT JAIL INDUSTRIES? SO THAT'S AN ASK. TEN CORRECTIONAL OFFICER POSITIONS TO SUPPLEMENT JAIL INDUSTRIES AND TO SUPPLEMENT OUR TRANSPORT RESPONSIBILITIES.

>> SO THE NEXT ASK IS REALLY A RECLAIM. IF IT YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS NEXT SLIDE IS A COMMISSIONER COURT AGENDA ITEM. AND THAT WAS A DEAL BETWEEN THE SHERIFF AND THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. WE WERE HAVING ISSUES GETTING THINGS DONE IN THAT JAIL ON A TIMELY MANNER. SO WE MADE A DEAL THAT I WOULD GIVE HIM THREE CORRECTIONALCORRECTIONAL OFFICER SLOTS SO HE COULD HIRE FOUR WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR MECHANICS THAT WERE OBLIGATED TO BE IN THE JAIL AND HANDLE JAIL ISSUES THAT POPPED UP ALL THE TIME.

THAT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION. WE NEVER GOT OUR FOUR DESIGNATED MECHANICS. SO I WANT MY THREE

[02:05:03]

>> DID THOSE GET FILLED?

>> I BELIEVE THEY HAVE VACANCIES IN PUBLIC WORKS.

>> SO THE NEXT ASK IS FOR TWO OTHER POSITIONS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE COUNTY. THOSE ARE 5220, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS. THEY MOST RECENTLY HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO PUBLIC WORKS. THEY ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THINK SHOULD NOT BE REPORTING TO A CIVILIAN DIRECTOR. THEY SHOULD BE REPORTING TO A SHERIFF. WE HAVE ESTABLISHED, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THE NEXT SLIDE, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THEM IN THE BUDGET.

5220. THEN THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A FILLABLE FORM ON THE NUECES COUNTY SHERIFFS APP.

AND YOU CAN REPORT ILLEGAL DUMPING, AND PEOPLE HAVE REPORTED INCIDENTS OF ILLEGAL DUMPING. AND THE APP WAS CONFIGURED WHEN SOMEBODIES THE DUMPING EVENT, E-MAILS ARE KICKED OUT TO ONE OF OUR PATROL DEPUTIES, WHO HAS RESPONSIBILITY TO HANDLE THE ILLEGAL DUMPING CALLS IN OUR AGENCY, AND E-MAILS ARE ALSO GOING OUT TO ONE OF THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS.

NOT ONLY IS IT VERY EFFICIENT IN GETTING THE CALL FOR SERVICE OUT THERE, BUT IT'S ALSO A DOCUMENTED RECORD OF THE CALL COMING IN, WHO GOT ASSIGNED THE ISSUE, AND THEN WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME. WAS IT CLEANED UP OR NOT? AND SO I THINK THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WOULD BEST SERVE THE COUNTY WORKING IN THE NUECES COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE UNDER OUR DIRECTION. THEY WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. WE WILL DO EVALUATIONS ON THEM AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE EFFICIENT AND RESPONSIBLE IN THEIR ASSIGNMENT.

>> TWO POSITIONS?

>> THERE'S TWO OF THEM. >> THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE ALSO UNDER PUBLIC WORKS?

>> YEAH. 5220.

>> IF THAT WEREN'T TO HAPPEN, WOULD YOU BE ASSURED THE OTHER ENTITIES OR PRECINCTS THAT THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE DEDICATED ONLY

TO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES? >> ABSOLUTELY.

THEY WILL FULFILL THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION. THAT IS ILLEGAL DUMPING.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD FIT BECAUSE OF OUR JAIL INDUSTRIES.

WHEN THEY DEAL WITH AN ILLEGAL DUMPING CASE THAT REQUIRES MORE THAN JUST A FEW PEOPLE TO PICK UP THE TRASH, IDENTIFY THE TRASH AND LOCATE THE ORIGIN OF THE TRASH, WHEN WE NEED TO SEND A CREW OUT THERE, WE'VE GOT THEM.

SO FOR MANY REASONS, 5220, THOSE TWO EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE WORKING FOR US.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?

>> I DO. BUT I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY SOME QUESTIONS I NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HERE.

I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT IF THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY DESIGNED. BEFORE YOU AND I WERE HERE, THAT THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS ANSWERED DIRECTLY TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HOW THEY GOT SET UP IN PUBLIC WORKS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT SET UP AND WHY IT WAS NECESSARY. BUT IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS OR SAY WE NEED YOU TO LOOK INTO THIS PROBLEM OR WHATEVER PROBLEM. AND I KNOW THE CONCERN HAS BEEN IF THEY ARE WORK FOR YOU, WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DO OR NOT.

>> I THINK IF YOU WERE TO FILL OUT THE FORM ON THE APP, IT WOULD GET PROCESSED THE SAME DAY.

>> I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO FILL OUT A FORM.

I WANT TO MAKE A PHONE CALL.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> YOU CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IF THEY ARE WORK FOR YOU. WHAT YOU SAID IS THEY HAVE TO GO TO YOUR APP OR CALL YOU PERSONALLY TO TALK TO THAT ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER.

[02:10:08]

>> I DON'T SAY THAT IT DOESN'T. BUT WORKING UNDER YOU WITH HOW RESPECT TO THEM COULD BE A PROBLEM.

>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, SIR.

>> DID SOMEONE REMEMBER HOW THIS EVOLVED? IT'S ALWAYS BEEN UNDER PUBLIC WORK.

>> LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS UNDER PUBLIC WORK.

>> WHO CARRIES THEIR BADGES?

>> MICROPHONES. YES.

>> IT'S A VIOLATION OF REGULATIONS FOR A PEACE OFFICER TO WORK UNDER A CIVILIAN.

SO THEY NEED TO COME UNDER OUR DIRECTION. I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE. I HAVE A PHONE NUMBER THAT I ANSWER 24/7.

IF A COMMISSIONER WANTS TO CALL ME AND TELL ME THEY NEED AN ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE, I ASSURE YOU IT WILL BE ADDRESSED.

THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS WHEN THEY BELONG JUST TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, THEY HAVE HOW MANY BOSSES UP HERE. EACH ONE OF YOU CAN CALL AT ANY TIME AND DIRECT THEM TO DO THIS. SO WHAT DO THEY PRIORTIZE? HOW DO THEY PRIORITIZE IT? ONE COMMISSIONER TELLS THEM ONE THING AND ANOTHER HANDS ANOTHER ASSIGNMENT. WE'LL CONTROL THAT. THEY NEED TO WORK UNDER AA LAW ENFORCEMENT STRUCTURE AND ALLOW US TO HAND HAD THESES CASES AS CRIMINAL CASES. WHEN IT'S NECESSARY, WE'LL ALSO GET CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DIVISION INVOLVED.

THEY WILL ASSIST IN THE PROSECUTION OF THESE CASES. IT'S GOT TO BE MORE THAN JUST, HEY, SOMEBODY GOT DUMPED SOME STUFF OUT THERE. LET'S CLEAN IT UP.

IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE START DOING SOME SIGNIFICANT ENFORCEMENT AND PROSECUTING SOME OF THESE CONTRACTORS FOR DUMPING THIS STUFF OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR COUNTY. SO IF YOU GIVE THAT TO US, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THERE WILL BE A DIRECT REPORT.

IF I NEED THIS HANDLED NOW, I WILL MAKE SURE IT GETS HANDLED.

>> WITH RESPECT, I DID NOT SHARE THE SAME BELIEF THAT COMMISSIONER PUSLEY DOES ON THIS. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEONE THAT CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TEETH IN IT IS TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH A BADGE THAT THE SHERIFFS OFFICE IS COMING OUT THERE.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SERIOUS DEAL. WE'RE SICK AND TIRED OF ILLEGAL DUMPING. I CAN'T DO ANYTHING A ABOUT IT.

I APOLOGIZE. I AGREE.

99% OF THE DEAL, I DON'T AGREE.

IT NEEDS TO BE UNDER LAW ENFORCEMENT. I HAVE HAD NO ISSUE WORKS 'ING WITH THE SHERIFF.

SO I DON'T LIKE IT UNDER PUBLIC WORKS. I NEVER HAVE.

IT NEEDS TO GO UNDER LAW ENFORCEMENT. I'M SURE I WILL GET AND AGREE ON THE OTHER 99% OF THE THINGS, BUT ON THIS ONE, I HAVE TO SAY.

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DISAGREEMENT. IF YOU WANT TO TELL THEM WHAT YOUR BELIEF IS, THAT'S FINE.

I DIDN'T SAY I WAS AGREEING OR DISAGREEING WITH ANYBODY.

I'M JUST TELLING THE COURT HOW IT WORKED WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE FOR NINE YEARS. I DEALT WITH IT THAT WAY. WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, I MADE THE PROPOSITION TO PUT IT BACK UNDER THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT. I WAS TOLD BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT THEY HAD IT UNDER THERE÷÷ BEFORE AND IT DIDN'T WORK, SO THEY TOOK IT AWAY AND PUT IT BACK UNDER THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. THAT'S HOW WE WORKED WITH IT.

>> THAT WAS NOT UNDER MY

LEADERSHIP. >> I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS, SHERIFF. YOU WEREN'T HERE.

>> I'M HERE NOW.

>> WHEN I GOT HERE, YOU WEREN'T HERE. IT WAS A DIFFERENT SHERIFF.

I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO MOVE IT BACK UNDER THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT. AND THAT WAS TURNED DOWN BECAUSE THE REST OF THE BALANCE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE COURT MADE THE PLEA THAT THEY DID NOT AGREE THAT THE WAY IT WORKED BEFORE AND THEY WANTED IT UNDER THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE

SHERIFF. >> WE HAD A COMMENT.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THE TWO OFFICERS WILL ALSO BECOME UNDER THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT.

>> THAT WOULD ALSO BE A BENEFIT TO THEM.

AND I WANTED TO STRESS TOO THE

[02:15:04]

THESE WOULD BE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS THAT DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK FOR THESE THINGS OR ANSWER THESE CALLS WHENEVER THERE'S A REQUEST.

>> I'M ON THE RECORD OF SAYING YES TO THAT.

>> I YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

>> PLEASE PROCEED.

>> UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER PANDEMIC.

>> THAT'S SOME OF WHAT GOT THIS.

>> THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF A SHERIFF IS KEEPING THAT JAIL VIABLE AND SAFE.

AND IN A PANDEMIC, WHEN YOU HAVE A MASS EXODUS OF EMPLOYEES, YOU HAVE TO RELY ON OTHER EMPLOYEES TO FILL TO KEEP THAT JAIL VIABLE AND SAFE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME.

IF THERE ARE SWORN EMPLOYEES OUT THERE WHO CAN'T ACCEPT THAT, THEY PROBABLY OUGHT TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER JOB. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I'LL GO BACK. WE'RE AT 3700 REQUESTS. I'M SORRY. SO THE 3700 IS PATROL, WARRANTS, AND CID.

IT'S LIKE I SAID EARLIER. THOSE ARE MOST OF THE BADGE AND GUN- CARRYING EMPLOYEES. WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE OVERTIME. WE EXCEEDED OUR OVERTIME LAST YEAR OR THIS FISCAL YEARYEAR MIRELY BUZZ OF GAME ROOM OPERATIONS. SO THAT GAME ROOM ORDINANCE WHEN IT CAME BE INTO PLAY, IT WAS AN UNFUNDED BAND-AID. WE WERE NOT GIVEN ADDITIONAL FUNDS OR POSITIONS TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THOSE GAME ROOMS TODAY. AND WHEN WE HAVE AN OPERATION OUT OF NEED FOR SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL GUIDELINES, IT'S AN ALL HANDS ON DECK.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE GAME ROOM WARRANTS AND OPERATIONS WITH OVERWHELMING FORCE.

AND SO A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE OVERTIME THAT WE'RE SPENDING THIS YEAR HAS COME FROM THOSE SPECIAL OPERATIONS.

WE'RE FREQUENTLY CALLED. WE'RE ASKING OUR DEPUTIES AND OUR DETECTIVES AND OUR WARRANT PEOPLE TO SERVE ON OTHER INSTANT SITUATIONS. SO SO MUCH OF WHAT THEY DO IS NOT÷÷NOT PLANNED OR A ROUTINE SCHEDULE.

THE LAST THING IS CUT BACK WHEN THERE'S A SPECIAL PROJECT OR OPERATION. IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTY. IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD FOR US IF WE SAID NO ON SOME OF THESE WARRANT ROUNDUPS AND SOME OF THESE MULTIAGENCY OPERATIONS.

WE HAVE TO ACCEPT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IN THE COUNTY. WITH THAT COMES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OVERTIME.

$181,000 IS AN ASK FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.

WE HAVE AN AGEING FLEET. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.

CAPTAIN OUT AT THE ANNEX, THEY TAKE CARE OF THE CARS, THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, BUT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN AGEING FLEET. AND THE LEASE PROGRAM, THE NEW CARS COMING IN HAVE BEEN A BLESSING.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR ON THOSE. BUT WE DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT FLEET THAT IS AGEING. $165 --

>> WAIT, I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.

DO ALL YOUR PATROLS USE THE

ELECTRONIC TICKET? >> WE DO NOT.

>> I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THE COST.

>> I THOUGHT WE ALREADY PAID FOR

THE COST. >> WE DIDN'T BUY IN.

WHEN YOU ASKED IF WE WANTED IT, I SAID NO.

I DIDN'T SEE THE GAIN FOR THE COST.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT INTO IT. THE ONE BENEFIT I COULD GET OUT OF IT, IF I WANTED TO BE

[02:20:01]

THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN HELPING US WITH THAT. BUT WE MANAGED TO DO IT EACH AND EVERY YEAR, THANK YOU TO CHIEFCHIEF PETIS, THAT WOULD BE THE GREATST BENEFIT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IEN DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL COST.

>> THANK YOU.

>> GOING BACK TO ONE OFRT EARLIER PAGING HERE.

AND THE RECLAIM OF THE OFFICERS THAT WERE TRANSFERRED TO PUBLIC WORKS.

I HAD MY MEETING NOTES WHEN I MET ON JANUARY 29, 2025, WHERE YOU BROUGHT THIS PROBLEM TO MY ATTENTION. I TOOK THOSE NOTES AND WENT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND SHARED THOSE NOTES. THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS.

YOU HAD A BROKEN TOILET AND SOME OTHER THINGS YOU WERE HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING RESOLVED.

I TOOK ALL THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE PROBLEMS. IF THEY DID NOT, THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE.

>> I WANT YOU TO KNOW I DID TAKE YOUR

CONCERNS TO THEM. >> I APPRECIATE IT. NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO GET THOSE THREE POSITIONS BACK.

>> THE THIRD ITEM IS OTHER SERVICES, LAW ENFORCEMENT SUPPLIES AND TRANSPORTATION. THERE'S THAT $265,000 PART OF THAT. THE NEXT OVERAGE --

>> CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION ON CLARIFICATION TO OUR FINANCE TEAM AND AUDITOR? OR YOU CAN ANSWER. THE 5410, IS THAT HOW WE CATEGORIZE THAT? OR CAN THAT BE BROKEN DOWN FURTHER? MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REQUESTED.

>> THERE'S NO STANDARD ON IT. IT'S JUST AN ACCOUNT WE CREATED.

>> WE CAN GET YOU INFORMATION IN THE BACKGROUND.

>> WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS.

>> THERE'S A SPECIFIC LINE CODE FOR TRANSPORTATION COSTS THAT THEY USED.

>> IT MAY MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND THAT'S FINE. I'M WONDERING IF IT HELPS US AND THE COMMUNITY BE ABLE TO DIGESTDIGEST AND IT RECOGNIZE THE BREAKDOWN. IF IT'S EASIER FOR YOU, IT'S GOOD. LIKE THESE OTHER TWO REQUESTS ARE PRETTY HEFTY AMOUNTS. IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF BREAKING IT DOWN SO WE KNOW THERE'S OTHER SERVICES AND SUPPLIES COULD BE ONE THING. SO LIKE I MEDICAL EXAMINERED TO OTHER GROUPS BEFORE US, THERE MAYBE A NEED, BUT UNLESS WE SAY FOR THE NEXT BUDGET WE NEED TO FOCUS ON TRANSPORTATION, WE KNOW WHAT CODE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHERE WE CAN TRULY FUND THAT CODE.

WE KNOW SPECIFICALLY YOU CAN REPORT BACK TO YOUR OFFICERS, YOUR TEAM AND TO THE COMMUNITY WE ADDRESS THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

>> PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THIS IS PATROL, PARENTS AND DETECTIVES. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SOFTWARE. INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS THAT ARE USED, NOT TO MENTION PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS ALSO WHEN WE HAVE TO USE AN OUTSIDE RESOURCE LIKE IN THE HIRING OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

EVERY TIME WE HIRE SOMEBODY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT PSYCHIATRIC EXAM. AND THE COSTS FOR THOSE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OUTSIDE OF OUR AGENCY ARE GOING NOWHERE BUT UP.

SO THERE IS A NEED THERE. MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR, THAT'S JUST STUFF WE NEEDED TO DLT.

WEEN DON'T NEED IT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. BUT AT SOME POINT DURING THE YEAR, IT MIGHT VERY WELL BECOME A LIABILITY FOR US, AN

[02:25:01]

SO. >> SO IN OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD I THINK IT WAS TWO PEOPLE FROM P WORKS THAT WORK AT THE ANNEX ON A FULL- TIME BASIS.

IS THAT CORRECT?

>> TELL THEM ABOUT THAT. WE JUST LOST ONE OF THEM. FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, THE ANNEX CREW HAS BEEN AMAZING AND DEDICATED TO THE ANNEX. BUT IT HASN'T BEEN THAT WAY HERE AT THE MAIN JAIL. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT DEAL.

>> YOU SAID THE TEAM DOES WELL BUT NOT AT THE COURTHOUSE.

>> THAT PUBLIC WORKS AT THE ANNEX DOES NOT JUST SERVE THE ANNEX. THEY ALSO WORK ON THE ROBSTOWN, ALL YOUR OUTLYING FACILITIES.

THE BEACH BUILDINGS, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTY.

BY SHOP, ROBSTOWN, THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. THOSE GUYS HANDLE ALL THAT.

>> IT ONLY WORKS FOR JUST ANNEX. THEY WERE DOING STUFF THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

>> YOU ALSO SHARED THE CONCERN YOU DON'T HAVE A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT ON THE GENERATORS. IS THAT STILL TRUE?

>> I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THAT.

WE CAN FIND OUT. THE DIRECTION OF THE JUDGE, I BELIEVE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO LIST THEM ON THAT.

>> THAT WAS AT THE MAIN JAIL?

>> THEY WORKED YESTERDAY. THEY CAME ON IMMEDIATELY.

AS EVIDENCED BY YESTERDAY IS NOW FUNCTIONAL AND OPERATION.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN MANT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IT'S 3720. IT'S GOING TO RESULT IN A TRANSFER OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS OVER INTO 3720.

BUT IT'S A TRADE. BECAUSE 3710 WILL BE NO MORE.

THAT'S NOT AN ADDITION OR AN ASK. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

HERE'S A BIG ONE. 3720 IS A JAIL. AND 3720 IS $23 MILLION.

THAT WAS A BUDGET. THAT'S THE JAIL. THAT'S THE BIG DOG. SO Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE NEWS. WE HAVE HIRED OVER 100 NEW CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS SINCE OCTOBER. IN PART OF HIRING THOSE CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS, WHEN WE HIRE THEM, THEY ARE NOT STAND ALONE EMPLOYEES.

SO WE'RE BRINGING NEW EMPLOYEES IN, BUT THEY CAN'T FUNCTION BY THEMSELVES. THEY HAVE TO FUNCTION UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF A TRAINING OFFICER FOR QUITE SOME TIME, ON THE JOB TRAINING, UNTIL WE CAN GET THROUGH THE JAIL SCHOOL. THE STATE MANDATES THROUGH JAIL CERTIFICATION SCHOOL WITHIN A YEAR. MOST OF THEM OUR TRAINING DIVISION HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN RUNNING THE LARGE KPLASS 25 ATAT TIME.

THROUGH THAT REQUIRED SCHOOL. AND THAT COSTS MONEY.

NOT ONLY TAKING THEM THROUGH THE SCHOOL.

BUT KEEPING THE 20 BODIES OFF THE ROSTER.

THERE'S A BULGE OF OVER TIME THAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL GO AWAY ONCE WE GET THOSE CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS ALL

[02:30:02]

>> WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE STARTING?

>> THIS YEAR.

>> WE HAVE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE ABOUT THAT. SO YES. IT'S THE CADET CLASSES.

SO WE HAVE THE AFTER BURNERS ON, BUT ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO.

I WOULD FORECAST BY THE END OF DECEMBER, MAYBE EARLY JANUARY, WE WILL BE COMPLETELY DONE WITH TRAINING THE 77 THAT WE HAVE IN LINE, KEEP IN MIND AS WE'RE GOING ALONG AND SOMEBODY LEAVES, THAT ADDS ONE MORE PERSON TO THE CUE. BUT WE ARE WORKING.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY BREAKS IN TRAINING IN THE END OF NOVEMBER. WE HAVE A TRAINING GOING ON.

THAT DOES CAUSE OVERTIME. YOU HAVE TO REPLACE AS TICK INDICATED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION.

>> 700 ADDITIONAL FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FORECASTING.

>> WE'RE STILL GOING TO USE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS.

>> I WOULD IMAGINE WE HAVE GONE OVER ON THE OVERTIME BUDGET.

>> IT'S WHAT I HEARD.

>> WE HAVE TO STAY ON TRACK. WE HAVE TO BUDGET IT BECAUSE WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT YEAR.

>> WE WANT THE SAFETY AND UNDERSTAND THE JAIL STANDARDS AND ALL THESE THINGS.

I'M EAGERLY ANTICIPATING WHEN THIS NUMBER IS GOING TO GO DOWN.

>> SO ARE WE.

>> WE CAN'T REPEAT IT ENOUGHENOUGH GET YOUR STAFFING LEVEL WHERE IS THEY NEED TO BE. I REMEMBER MY SON WHO WAS A SENIOR AT THE TIME COMING HOME AND SAYING THAT THE SHERIFFS OFFICE WAS THERE AND RECRUITING FOR POSITIONS. AND THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S THE KIND OF OUTREACH WE NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS FOR YOUR JAIL.

OR TRY TO KEEP IT TO THE LEVEL WE NEED TO BE.

>> SO IT'S STILL AN INTEREST THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE 100% STAFFED, ON ANY WEEK, WE WILL LOSE ONE.

WE WILL LOSE TWO. IF YOU FIGURE THERE'S 220 STAFFING THE JAIL, WE'RE LOSING 1% A WEEK. AND WE'RE IMMEDIATELY FILLING THAT SPOT. THE CHIEF AND HIS TEAM ARE KEEPING A RUNNING ROSTER. WHEN WE LOSE SOMEBODY WHO CAME TO WORK ON THE JAIL AND FOUND OUT WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK OR MONTH THAT IT WASN'T WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE, THEY COULDN'T HANDLE IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T.

BUT WITH THAT COMES SOME OVERTIME FOR THE TRAINING PROCESS.

RETENTION HAS IMPROVED QUITE A BIT.

WE'RE LOSING ONE OR TWO A WEEK. WE'RE HIRING ONE OR TWO A WEEK.

WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, IT'S STILL ABOUT A 1.4 ASK FROM ALL THOSE OTHER EXPENSES THATTHAT ANTICIPATING IN THE JAIL.

AND SOME OF THEM WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

IF YOU LOCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, A 5220 IS OUR INMATE FOOD CONTRACT.

AND YOU KNOW HOW FREQUENTLY THEY COME AND THEY ASK BASED ON THE PRICES THAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH AND THE CONTRACT ALLOWS THEM TO ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL 5 CENTS A PLATE FOR WHATEVER THE CASE MAYBE. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE PREDICTING. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL SETTLE DOWN AND THERE WON'T BE, BUT WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THAT POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER PRICE INCREASE.

NEXT PAGE. SO THIS IS 3720, WHICH IS A JAIL AND THE CAPITAL OUTLAY. THESE ARE ALL THINGSTHINGS

[02:35:03]

STORAGE SERVERS ARE A BIG ONE.

THAT'S THE COMPUTER COMPONENT FOR THE CAMERAS. WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATE TO ARCHIVE EVERY SINGLE CAMERA IMAGE FOR SIX MONTHS. IS THAT CORRECT? 30 DAYS. 30 DAYS. THAT REQUIRES THOSE SERVERS. AND Y'ALL KNOW AS WELL AS I DO THAT ELECTRONICS AND TECHNOLOGY HAS A SHELF LIFE. THESE SERVERS ARE COMING UP ON END OF LIFE. SO I DON'T KNOW, AND MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER THIS. IS THIS A GUARANTEED EXPENSE OR IS THIS AN ANTICIPATED EXPENSE?

>> THIS IS AN ANTICIPATED EXPENSE. THESE WERE INSTALLED IN 2014.

THE OLDEST WE HAVE ARE OVER TEN YEARS OLD.

WE HAD TO REPLACE A COUPLE OF THEM. WE HAD A CONTROL SERVER THAT WAS DAMAGED AND IT WENT OUT ON US.

IT FAILED. SOME OF THE SOFTWARE IS PROPRIETARY. WE ARE DEALING WITH MCA.

THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB. WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

THEY ARE HERE AND THEY DEAL WITH THIS STUFF WITHIN 24 HOURS. WE'RE BACK UP AND RUNNING. SO WE HAD A CONTROL SERVER THAT FAILED. WE HAVE THREE OF THOSE IN TOTAL.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING THOSE.

THE STORAGE SERVERS, THAT'S TERABYTES OF STORAGE FOR VIDEO.

WE'RE RECORDING 1080 FOR THE TWO FACILITIES.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING HAVING TO ADD MORE. THAT'S A LIABILITY ISSUE.

IT'S A DEFENSIVE LIABILITY FOR Y'ALL. FOR US AS WELL. WE HAVE TO DEFEND SOMETHING.

WE HAVE TO SAY WE WERE HERE. WE DID THIS.

IT'S BASICALLY AN INSURANCE POLICY FOR THE SHERIFFS OFFICE.

THAT'S HOW WE LOOK AT IT.

>> SO WITH RESPECT TOTO THAT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH WILL AND THE I.T.

DEPARTMENT. I THINK THERE'S A MUCH BETTER WAY TO DO THAT. THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES.

JUST LIKE THE DATA THAT IS CREATED HERE IN ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON A DAILY BASIS IS UPLOADED TO A SERVEER THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THIS CITY.

SO THE DANGER OF HAVING THAT MAINTAINED HERE IS IF YOU HAD A STORM OR SOMETHING THAT COMES IN AND SOME CATASTROPHIC EVENT AND DESTROYS THOSE SERVERS, YOU ONLY HAVE THAT KOCH PIT OF IT.

WHEREAS OUR DATA HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE IS CREATED BY THE COMMISSIONERS AND BY OTHER STAFF MEMBERS. THAT GETS UPLOADED TO A SERVER IN DALLAS OR SOMEWHERE. SO YOU HAVE A 100% ASSURETY THAT DATA IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED.

I THINK TALLAHASSEE MUCH BETTER WAY.

>> WE HAVE LOOKED AT THOSE POSSIBILITIES BEFORE.

>> IT DOESN'T TAKE A CATASTROPHIC EVENT. WE HAD A WATER LEAK.

>> THAT'S A CATASTROPHIC EVENT. >> IT WASN'T EVEN STORMING.

JUST A BROKEN PIPE.

>> I HAD THAT HAPPEN TO ME ONCE BEFORE.

WE HAD A SERVER STORED IN A ROOM WITH A HOT WATER HEATER.

IT SPRUNG A LEAK AND THE LEAK SHOT WATER OVER INTO OUR SERVER AND SHORTED IT OUT. I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN WORK.

THEY MAYBE A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS.

>> THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE NOT BONIFIED NEEDS AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, BUT WE HAVE TO PREDICT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. ONE EXAMINATION WOULD BE TWO WASHERS.

I DIDN'T ASK FOR TWO WASHERS AND SEVERAL MONTHS LATER, WE NEEDED. THEY WERE BURNED OUT.

THEY RUN 14 HOURS A DAY. OUR INMATE POPULATION HAS BEEN OVER 90% FOR A LONG TIME. WE ARE WASHING A LOT OF UNIFORMS. THOSE THINGS, I THINK THE EXTENDED WARRANTY ONLY GOES TWO YEARS. THE FUNCTIONAL LIFE IS FIVE OR SIX YEARS. SO THERE IS A CHANCE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REPLACE A COUPLE OF

[02:40:03]

WASHERS. >> HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE?

>>. >> WE HAVE FOUR WASHERS, FOUR DRYERS. 65 POUND. WE RUN TWO 85-POUND WASHERS AND DRYERS. THE WASHERS ARE BRAND NEW.

THE DRYERS ARE MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OLD.

>> HAVE WE LOOKED AT FARMING THAT OUT.

? >> NO, SIR.

WE HAVE NOT. WE HAVE TO DO LAUNDRY ON A DAILY

BASIS. >> IF YOU HAD A SERVICE DOING THAT FOR YOU ON A DAILY BASIS, MAYBE THERE'S SOME ECONOMIES A AT SCALE THERE.

>> WE'LL RESEARCH IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> PUT THAT ON THE TO DO LIST, WILL.

>> SO THE SHREDDER IS THE MASSIVE ONE.

WE SHRED A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF DATA AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S 12 OR 13 YEARS OLD. IT COULD VERY WELL CRATER AT MY NOEMT. IT'S NOT A NEED TODAY.

NEXT SLIDE IS 1305, WHICH IS COURTHOUSE SECURITY. DAVE COOK IS PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

I SPOKE WITH OUR DIRECTOR OF COURTHOUSE SECURITY.

HE TOLD ME THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE NOT IMMEDIATE NEEDS, BUT COULD, IN FACT, COME INTO PLAY. I KNOW THE JUDGE.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S ON HERE FOR SOME PANIC BUTTONS.

THEY ARE ONLY $150 A POP, BUT A LOT OF THEM WERE LOST OR TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE DURING THE ADA CONSTRUCTION THING. JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS A POTENTIAL $49,000 NEED POTENTIAL IN THE NEXT YEAR.

AND NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS A GOOD ONE.

I'M STANDING HERE ADVOCATING FOR THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LIST, EVERYTHING ON HERE IS STUFF IN THE JAIL, NEEDS, REPAIRS, AND MAYBE A FEW ADDITIONS TO STUFF IN THE JAIL. MY STAFF WILL TELL YOU THIS. WHEN WE HAVE A REPAIR THAT IS NEEDED, I GET THE RESPONSE. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT MIND SET.

WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG IN THAT JAIL, IF WE LOSE HOUSING CAPACITY BECAUSE OF TOILET IS BROKE OR AN INTERCOM GOT RIPPED OUT OF THE WALL, IT'S A CIRCUMSTANCE FOR US WHEN WE'RE AT 93, 94%. IT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT WE HAD AS MANY AS 80 INTERCOMS OUT OF SERVICE IN THAT JAIL. INTERCOMS ARE MANDATED.

AND WE HAD 80 OF THEM DOWN. DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, IT WAS PROBABLY MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO, BUT DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THAT INTERCOM PROCESS WAS HANDLED BY OUR I.T. DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT BOUGHT THE INTERCOMS. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT INSTALL THE INTERCOMS. THEIR SENSE OF URGENCY WAS NOT THE SAME AS OURS. THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WAITING A WEEK OR TEN DAYS OR LONGER TO REPLACE AN INTERCOM.

WE WANTED IT REPLACED NOW.

BECAUSE WE WERE LOSING HOUSING CAPACITY IN THAT ONE AREA WHERE THE INTERCOM WAS. SO WHAT WE DID BACK THEN, WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM THEM. NOW I'M BUYING ALL THE INTERCOMS OUT OF IDF. BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING A COMMISSION ON SALES, BUT THAT MONEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THE SAFETY AND THE SECURITY OF THE INMATES.

BUT BY US DOING THAT AND MAINTAINING A STOCK OF INTERCOMS, THEN HAVING A DESIGNATED EMPLOYEE BEING THE TELEPHONE MAN, I GAVE UP A CORRECTIONAL OFFICER POSITION TO GET A DEZ I GUESS INDICATED INTERCOM INSTALLERS IN MY JAIL. AND SO WE HANDLED IT.

[02:45:04]

AND WE HAVE TO GET THINGS DONE QUICKLY WHEN THE NEED ARISES. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR HERE. I DON'T EVER WANT TO GO TO HIM AGAIN AND HEAR HIM SAY, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS LIST, THERE'S SOME SCARY ONES ON HERE LIKE ELEVATOR ONE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. CAN SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT ELEVATOR

ONE? >> ELEVATOR ONE IS A HYDRAULIC LIFT REPLACED MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO. IT'S LEAKING.

THE SEALS ARE OUT. IT CONTINUOUSLY GOES DOWN.

IT'S ONE OF OUR PRIMARY ELEVATORS TRANSPORTING PEOPLE UP AND DOWN.

IT ALSO SERVES AS A PRIMARY ROUTE FOR EMERGENCIES IN THAT FACILITY. THERE'S THINGS IT CAN DO THAT WE CAN'T DO WITH OTHER ELEVATORS. IT GOES PLACES WE CAN'T GET TO. WE NEED IT ALL FOUR OF THEM UP AND WORKING ALL THE TIME.

THAT CUTS US OFF.

>> RIGHT NOW, IT'S DOWN. IT HAS HAD HYDRAULIC ISSUES.

THEY TRIED TO REPACK THOSE SEALS ON THAT SHAFT.

IT'S SIMPLY REPACKING IT IS NOT

GOING TO CUT IT. >> THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED ME BACK IN JANUARY WAS YOU HAD FIVE ELEVATORS.

ONE WAS DOWN THAT DAY. YOU HAD ONE THAT HAD BEEN DOWN FOR A YEAR.

>> YES, SIR.

>> DID THE ONE DOWN FOR A YEAR GET REPAIRED?

>> THAT ONE REPAIRED.

>> CAN YOU SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE? OTHER PEOPLE WATCHING MAYBE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

>> SORRY. YES, THE ELEVATOR DOWN HAS BEEN REPAIRED.

ELEVATOR ONE HAS NOT BEEN REPAIRED.

THAT HYDRAULIC PISTON THAT GOES UP FULL LENGTH OF THE BUILDING SIMPLY NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED. THAT WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE

REPLACED. >> THEY HAD LOOK AT IT?

>> I BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN HERE ON SITE WITH THAT ELEVATOR.

THERE'S BEEN SOME STUDIES DONE ON IT.

AND REAL QUICKLY. IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

WE USED TO MAINTAIN ONE OF THOSE WHERE I WORKED BEFORE. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPANIES NOW IN TOWN THAT WILL DO SHREDDING FOR YOU.

WE WERE MONEY WAY AHEAD.

THIS COMPANY WOULD BRING US A BIN. IT WAS A LOCKED WIN WHERE NOBODY COULD GET INTO IT IF YOU WANT CERTIFIED DESTRUCTION, THEY WILL DO CERTIFIED DESTRUCTION. BUT THEY COME GET IT AND BRING YOU A NEW BIN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TOUGH TOUCH IT.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A SERVICE WE WOULD USE IF THIS ONE CRATERED ON US. WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY PICK UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

>> SPEAK.

>> SOME OF THE PAPERWORK WE GENERATE CANNOT LEAVE THE BUILDING.

IT HAS TO BE SHREDDED ON SITE.

>> THEY WILL DO THAT. THERE'S A COMPANY HERE IN TOWN THAT DRIVE A TRUCK UP IN TLP PZ .

>> WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PAGE THAT I MISSED? NEXT PAGE. FUTURE REQUESTS.

TO ADDRESS AGEING INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I STARTED. I'LL FINISH WITH THAT. WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS BUDGET CYCLE. THAT IS THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.

YOU HAVE SEEN OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.

MOBILE COMMAND CENTER. IT'S USED HEAVILY BY OUR DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS AND SPECIAL EVENTS. IT'S ABOUT 13 YEARS OLD.

THERE COULD BE MONEY OUT THERE

[02:50:02]

>> WE NEED TO WATCH THE SPECIAL SESSION AS WELL.

>> THIS IS SO YOU ALL KNOW I'M NOT JUST BEGGING YOU ALL FOR MONEY.

WE HAVE OTHER GRANTS AND OTHER POTS OF MONEY THAT WE ARE USING PRUDENTLY AND WISELY. LIKE OPERATION STONE GARDEN, REAL SPECIFIC USE MONEY. CAN'T BE USED FOR EVERYTHING.

AND THE GRANT WHICH IS PRIMARILY FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.

NEXT PAGE. SO I TALK ABOUT MY CONGRESSMEN SAR. I JUST WANTED THE COURT TO KNOW THAT THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE SPENT OVER $949,000 OUT OF THAT. SOME OF THEM I WOULD CLASSIFY AS SECURITY LUXURY ITEMS LIKE THOSE BODY SCANNERS.

I BOUGHT THOSE TWO YEARS AGO.

THEY WERE OVER $300,000 A PIECE. BUT ALONG WITH THAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGY, I KNOW THE COMMISSIONERS PROBABLY NEVER COULD HAVE ACCOMMODATED THAT, BUT THOSE BODY SCANNERS HAVE MADE AN AMAZING IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN NOW, YOU CAN'T LEGALLY STRIP SEARCH EVERYBODY. BUT YOU CAN LEGALLY RUN THEM THROUGH ONE OF THE TSA BODY SCANNERS. AND WHEN IT COMES TO KEEPING WEAPONS AND DRUGS AND CONTRABAND FROM COMING IN OUR FRONT DOOR, THAT'S BEEN AMAZING. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE TECH 84 MAINTENANCE ANNUAL CONTRACT. THAT'S 21,800 THAT WE'RE PAYING OUT OF OUR BENEFIT FUND.

THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BOUGHT WITH THAT IBF, THE GOVERNMENT CODE IS CLEAR. THE SHERIFF CANNOT SPEND IDF MONEY IF IT BENEFITS THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF INMATES.

THERE IS IPF CURRENTLY ENCUMBERED TO ABOUT $350,000.

795. EDUCATION, COMMUNITY FUND IS MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMISSION ON SODA POP AND FENDING VENDING AND CONTRACT.

AND THEN CORNELL SECURITY FUND. OUT OF THAT FEDERAL BUCKET OF

[02:55:05]

AND SO HE DID A GOOD JOB AND NOW WE ARE DOWN TO ABOUT 26,000.

>> WE ARE HOPING POTENTIALLY WITH SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THE OFFICE WOULD BE WILLING TO LET THE OTHER CONSTABLES

REMAINED . >> ABSOLUTELY. ANYTIME A CUSTOMER CALLS. WE PIGGYBACKED BECAUSE THEY WERE TRANSITIONING TO THE SMITH & WESSON NINE MILLIMETER AND I WAS ABLE TO BACK ON THEIR CONTRACT FOR ALL NEW WEAPONS FOR OUR AGENCIES. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF VALUE IN COLLABORATION WHEN IT COMES TO BIG PURCHASES. THE CONSTABLES KNOW I AM ALWAYS WORKING TO WORK WITH THEM. SO THIS IS FEDERAL EXPENDITURES. IT'S HOW WE PAY FOR OUR VERY ANNUAL POPULAR REPORT. AND THEN A REPORT THAT WE DO WITH TASERS AND BODY CAMPS. WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT TECHNOLOGY OR THAT EQUIPMENT OUT OF FEDERAL MONEY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. DATE EXPENDITURES. YOU CAN SEE HOW WE ARE USING STATE MONEY. LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLE PACKAGES. CANINE SUPPLIES THE I.D. SCANNERS ARE A NEW COMPONENT THAT WILL ALLOW DUAL FACTORS AUTHENTICATION. THAT IS A BRAND-NEW STATE REQUIREMENT.

>> DID ALL YOUR DEPUTIES HAVE PROPER BODY ARMOR?

>> I BELIEVE WE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE.

>> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING SOME OF IT. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PUSHBACK ABOUT THAT COST SO FAR. EXPIRES I THINK EVERY FIVE YEARS IS IT LIKE EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE HAD TO EXPIRE AND HAVE TO REPLACE THE PLATE THAT STOP THE HIGHER CALIBER WEAPONS. AND THE SHERIFF ASKED ME A QUESTION. THE INITIAL PLATES WE GOT WERE METAL. HOW DOES METAL EXPIRE? I COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. WE ARE TOLD BY THESE COMPANIES IT HAS TO BE REPLACED. THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY GOOD COST.

NOT TOTALLY UNAFFORDABLE BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR LAKES PRETTY QUICKLY. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT GRANT FUNDING TO DO THAT. WERE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER WAY. ALL OVERALL, WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE AND IN A POSITION TO WORK. WE HAVE TO RENEW SOME OF THESE VESTS. NOT ALL AT ONE TIME.

>> BODY CAMERAS. >> WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH EXXON AND I THINK WE ARE TWO YEARS INTO IT.

>> AS FAR AS OUR BODY CAMERAS ARE CONCERNED WE HAVE A PREPAID CONTRACT WITH EXXON SO FROM OCTOBER 1ST TO NOVEMBER 1ST WE ARE GOING TO ROLL OUT. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE EXXON CAMERAS.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE EXXON 3. THE NEW CAMERAS ARE GOING TO HAVE SO MANY MORE FEATURES. ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THE CAMERA AND HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THEM. IT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE A REAL TIME TRANSLATION SERVICE SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE KEEPING UP TO DATE WITH. YOU'RE THE ONLY AGENCY IN THE AREA THAT HAS TASERS. WE ARE UP TO DATE WITH BOTH TASERS AND THE BODY CAMERAS. EITHER NOVEMBER 1ST OR

[03:00:03]

OCTOBER 1ST. >> IS THERE ANY COORDINATION BETWEEN THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AND THE BODY CAMERAS AND TASERS?

>> CELL, THEY KIND OF DO THEIR OWN THING. AS FAR AS I KNOW I AM THE ONLY TASER INSTRUCTOR FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

WHENEVER THE CONSTABLES OFFICE ASKS IF WE CAN PUT ON A TASER INSTRUCTOR CLASS BY ME PUTTING ON THE CLASS WE SAVE $500 PER PERSON. THAT'S ANOTHER COST SAVINGS. BUT WE ALSO PROVIDE THAT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THE SHERIFF KIND OF BEEN THE BULLET

ON. >> WE ALREADY HAD A CONTRACT. AS FAR AS EXPANDING IT TO THE CUSTOMER TO SEE IF WE CAN SAVE

SOME MONEY. >> THE WAY IT WORKS IS PER LICENSE. EVERY PERSON HAS A LICENSE. WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.

>> JUST MAYBE WE LOOK AT IT . UPWARD LINKS

>> I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE ABOUT TWO YEARS INTO A FOUR-YEAR CONTRACT WITH EXXON. SO COMING UP ON TWO YEARS FROM NOW. WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AND TALKING TO YOU ABOUT ANOTHER CONTRACTOR. I'M SURE IT WILL GO UP. THEY ALWAYS LIKE TO CHARGE MORE BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY SATISFIED WITH THEM. POINTED OUT, WE HAVE EXXON EVIDENCED ALL AND SO ALL OF OUR EVIDENCE IS ON CLOUD. IT'S BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AND BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH THAT.

>> GREAT. THEY >> THOSE ARE THE STATE EXPENDITURES. NEXT SLIDE. SO SO LET ME OPEN IT UP. IF THERE ANY POINTS OR ANY ELEMENT OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT I MISSED? .

THAT'S IT, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONER.

>> APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. ARE

>> AND WE ARE BREAKING NOW FOR LUNCH. JUST A FEW MINUTES LATE SO WE WILL TRY TO GET BACK HERE AT 1:00 TO START BACK UP. IT'S 12:10 AND WE ARE RECESSING.

IT IS 1:06 AND WE ARE BACK FROM OUR RESOURCE-- RECESS. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR BUDGET PRESENTATIONS. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS ALREADY AT THE MICROPHONE AND YOU ARE UP. YOU

FOR BEING HERE. >> THINK YOU JUDGE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE FOR THIS OFFICE. AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS WERE TAKING THIS CORE FUNCTION OF SITTING SALARIES IN THE COUNTY VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY. BECAUSE THAT IS SQUARELY ONE OF THE VERY MOST IMPORTANT FUNCTIONS OF THIS COURT. I DO NOT ENVY THAT POSITION BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. FIRST OFF, I HAVE TO SAY I HAVE NEVER BEEN PART OF A GROUP OF A PEOPLE WHO ARE AS MOTIVATED TO DO THEIR JOB. IN THIS OFFICE FROM BEFORE I GOT THERE, THEY DO MORE WITH LESS. WHEN WE GOT IN 1/1/21 WE CUT OUR BUDGET BECAUSE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. WE TOOK THE ACCOUNT WHICH WE WERE GETTING BOOKS NEEDLESSLY WHEN WE CAN DO THINGS ELECTRONICALLY. SO FROM THE BEGINNING, WE CUT. AND SO THEN WHEN THE REQUEST WAS MADE REASONABLY TO CUT AGAIN, WE CUT AGAIN EVEN THOUGH WE HAD TAKEN THE INITIATIVE JANUARY 1 OF '21 TO DO THAT PRIOR. BUT WHAT THIS OFFICE DOES AND WHAT I WANT TO REMIND THE COURT. I KNOW YOU ARE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE DO IN REGARD TO THE COURT BUT CAN YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, CONNIE? THIS IS A LITTLE BIT SMALL BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS LAY THE GROUNDWORK AND REMIND THE COURT THAT THE CRITERIA FOR EVALUATING SALARY IS ALREADY PROVIDED IN THE PERSONAL MANUAL. 3.19 SALARY FACTORS. COMPENSABLE FACTORS ARE LAID OUT FOR THE COURT TO CONSIDER. AND THIS, I WILL REFER BACK TO DURING THE PRESENTATION. SO CAN YOU ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? WHAT I WANT THE COURT TO REMEMBER IS THAT ASIDE

[03:05:01]

LATE AT NIGHT, THEY ARE ALL TEXTING EACH OTHER OKAY, IS THIS OUR CASE, HAS THIS WOMAN BEEN TO OUR OFFICE? WHAT CAN WE DO? OR WAS THIS MAN SOMEBODY WHO CAME TO OUR OFFICE? I CANNOT STRESS TO YOU ENOUGH HOW PROUD I AM TO BE PART OF THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE.

AND SO I'M VERY HONORED TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU ABOUT THEIR WORK. WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEN YOU HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS. NOW, FOR QUITE A WHILE, WE WERE PERFORMING THE HR FUNCTION IN THE COUNTY TO A LARGE DEGREE. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NOT DOING THAT BUT IN REPRESENTING 19 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS. WHEN THE GROUPS ARE TALKING ABOUT A NEED XY AND Z TO PERFORM THEIR FUNCTIONS WHAT THEY PROBABLY AREN'T ALSO GOING TO TELL YOU IS THEY NEED US TO PERFORM THEIR FUNCTIONS. SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT GROUP OF PEOPLE. WE SUPPORT THE JAIL WHENEVER THERE IS DEATH IN THE JAIL OR AN ASSAULT IN THE JAIL. WE HAVE LITIGATION IN THE OFFICE EVEN THOUGH IT IS A VERY GOOD THING WE HAVE THAT INSURANCE POLICY WHERE A LOT OF THE TORT CLAIMS GO OUTSIDE. AND THAT'S GREAT

[03:10:01]

WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE PEOPLE HERE. OKAY? THERE IS A VICTIM COORDINATOR, THERE IS A VICTIM COORDINATOR, BUT THEY ARE ALSO THE RECEPTION AND SCHEDULING AND HANDHOLDING AND COUNSELING. SO MORE WITH LESS. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING. SO THE PIECES OF PAPER THAT I'VE HANDED OUT NOW THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SETS. SO ONCE I WAS ABLE TO SEE THE NUMBERS THAT THE D.A.S OFFICE AND I AM SO PROUD AND HAPPY AND THANKFUL TO FOR CHAMPIONING THESE MOVES. ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO COMPARE, THIS WITH ME AT 9:00 LAST NIGHT TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A KIND OF HEY, IF WE MATCHED WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IN THE COURT CHOSE TO HELP THE D.A.S OUT AS MUCH AS THEY ARE NEEDING IT, THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE WITHOUT STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WOULD KEEP US IN PARITY. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS KIND OF A PULLBACK SAYING WELL, I'M NOT SURE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE D.A. IS ASKING FOR THE MOON BECAUSE THAT'S NATURAL AND A GOOD BARGAINING TECHNIQUE. SO I PULLED BACK ON THE SECOND ONE. TO WHAT I THINK IS A MORE MODEST REQUEST. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE INCLUDED ALL OF THE ATTORNEYS EXCEPT FOR ONE. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE MY OWN REQUEST FOR MY OWN SALARY WHICH I WILL MAKE TO YOU TODAY. BUT IT DOES BRING OUR STAFF IN LINE WITH THE SAME REQUEST AND IT BRINGS OUR ATTORNEYS MORE IN LINE WITH THE SAME REQUEST. I'VE GONE THROUGH THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS. PROVIDED WITH THE REQUEST. AND I CAN UPDATE MINE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A POINT TO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A CHANGE WITHIN THE STRUCTURE OF ADDING FAKE DUTIES TO PEOPLE THAT ALREADY DUE TO DUTIES TO JUSTIFY IN OUR SYSTEM.

I THINK THIS IS BRINGING UP TO MORE OF A MARKET VALUE. AND SO

[03:15:08]

SO THAT NUMBER DOESN'T REPRESENT ANYWHERE NEAR THE NUMBER OF TRIALS THEY GET READY FOR. ALEX IS NOT HERE. WITH MENTAL HEALTH COMMITMENTS, THAT IS ONE BETWEEN ALEX AND THEN HOLD HELPS ALSO WITH. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? OUT OF OUR OFFICE WE HAVE 11 SPOTS. WE ARE MISSING ONE. WE HAVE ONLY JUST NOW HAD TWO APPLICANTS. ONE IS INTERNAL. SO THE SALARY THAT WE HAD A GREAT PERSON FROM AUSTIN. HE WAS GOING TO BE A FANTASTIC FIT. BUT COMING HERE WOULD HAVE HURT HIS FINANCIAL SITUATION SUCH THAT HE DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN OUR OFFICE WE JUST CELEBRATED 22 YEARS FOR KENT BROWN. LAST WEEK. AS MUCH AS HE HATED IT. AND MARY MANY YEARS. I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER. HOW MANY YEARS? 18, 19 YEARS. SO YES THERE ARE POSITIONS IN OUR OFFICE THAT DO HAVE TURNOVER AND THOSE ARE MORE LIKE THE ONES WHERE LIKE MARCIA.

IF YOU RECALL, MARCIA, BRILLIANT ATTORNEY. GOD BLESS HER, CONGRATULATIONS. I'M THANKFUL SHE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY. BUT OUR GUYS DON'T GO OUT AND GO WORK AT TEXAS RIO GRANDE LEGAL AID.

THERE YOU ARE. SOME OF THEM DO. AND THEN SOME OF THEM GO TO DOUG FIRM. WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE. WE PRODUCE GOOD PEOPLE. SKILLED PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE HERE AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TO UNDERSTAND. 90% OF US LICENSE OVER 10 YEARS. THAT'S CRAZY.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN LICENSED? AWESOME. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A ATTEMPT AT APPLES TO APPLES. WITH SALARIES NO SUPPLEMENTS BECAUSE I HAVE A STATE SUPPLEMENT THAT I DISPERSE. SO IT SHOULD BE NO SUPPLEMENTS THERE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THOSE. NOW, THAT IS OLD NUMBERS. THAT'S NOT THE NEW REQUEST. OKAY? SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT ORANGE LINE GOING ACROSS THERE, THAT IS CURRENT NUMBERS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW, HOW SALARIES COMPARE YOU GO OUT AND PAY FOR A STUDY. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WHAT YOU PAY FOR THE STUDY YOU KEEP GETTING THE STUDY SHOWN BACK TO YOU. THIS IS THE STUDY WHERE WE ARE KIND OF PLOTTED ON THAT MAP. THESE ARE THE PROBLEM. PRE-COVID NUMBERS. SO WE ARE WELL DOING WELL, WELL, BASED ON PRE-COVID NUMBERS. WE ARE NOW CATCHING UP TO THE BOTTOM 25TH PERCENTILE OF PRE-COVID NUMBERS. SO I REALIZED THAT CONCLUDES PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT. HOWEVER, WELL IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ITS SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF BECAUSE YES, THEY DO GO OUT TO DOUG FIRM AFTER WE SPENT ALL THAT TIME WORKING WITH THEM. AND THIS IS JUST A WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP REALLY WELL BUT ONE THERE IS ONE ENTRY ON THEIR I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW. WHERE IT SAYS THE FIRST ATTORNEY DOWN. ASSISTANT CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR. THAT'S HOSPITAL DISTRICT MONEY. SO THAT'S NOT A COST TO THE COUNTY. AND THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS AGREEING TO THAT. SO

[03:20:02]

QUESTION? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT DEAL. IS IT STATUTORY? WHY DON'T THEY

JUST HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEY? >> THEY ARE ONE OF OUR CLIENTS LISTED STATUTORY. AND MARY PERFORMS FOR THEM A MYRIAD OF FUNCTIONS. BUT THEN FOR WHENEVER THEY WANT IT THEY DO ALSO HAVE

OUTSIDE COUNSEL. >> OKAY. SO STATUTORILY HAVE TO PROVIDE? I KNOW THEY REIMBURSE SO IT'S KIND OF A WASH. AND I KNOW MARY ESTHER DOES A GREAT JOB. BUT WE ARE KIND OF A LITTLE

UNCOMFORTABLE. I NOTICED. >> I THINK THEY ARE ENTITLED TO MY SERVICES. I DON'T HAVE THE STATUE IN FRONT OF ME. BUT I

THINK THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IT. >> THEY COULD JUST DO THEIR OWN THING AND PAY THEIR OWN. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I JUST HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED BECAUSE I'M NOT AVERSE BUT IT IS A LITTLE ODD, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REPRESENT A ENTITY THAT IS SEPARATE THAN US.

SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POLICY DISCUSSION OR WHAT THAT IS. BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A TIME OR TWO IT HAS BEEN UNCOMFORTABLE. SO I DON'T KNOW. FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

IT'S NOT A MANDATE. JUST IF THEY SO CHOOSE THEY WOULDN'T

HAVE TO. >> RIGHT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN IN-HOUSE. THEY ARE NOT GREAT, THEY ARE A GREAT PARTNER OF OURS. BUT STILL.

>> YOU NEED TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE.

>> COMMISSIONER, I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE SITUATION. BECAUSE IT IS STATUTORY. AND I KNOW FIRSTHAND THAT THE COUNTY REPRESENTS THEIR HOSPITAL DISTRICT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE COUNTY ALSO HAS OTHER COUNCILS WHICH I AM SURE THEY DO. AND THE HOUSTON HOSPITAL DISTRICT HAS REPRESENTED BY THE HOUSTON I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>> IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. >> WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE BECAUSE HERE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO PRESENT BILLING FOR THE WORK WE DO. THEY TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE SALARY.

>> OKAY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON OR CHALLENGES ON THE TWO

SALARY TABLES? >> YEAH, JENNY, YOU MAY HAVE SAID IT AND I MISSED IT. I APOLOGIZE IF I DID. WHAT IS YOUR TOTAL STAFF? WHAT IS YOUR FULL COMPLEMENT?

>> ARE WE 20 OR 21 RIGHT NOW? 20.

>> 20. OKAY. AND OF THAT 20, HOW MANY ARE ATTORNEYS?

>> WE HAVE SPOTS FOR 11 AND WE HAVE 10 FULL.

>> OKAY. >> IF YOU WERE FULLY STAFFED YOU

WOULD HAVE 11 ATTORNEYS. >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. OKAY. AND SO THE REST BALANCE OF THE 20 ARE STAFF.

>> LEGAL SECRETARIES, YES. >> SUPPORT STAFF. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

>> NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THAT'S THE SECOND TABLE. NEXT SLIDE.

OKAY. SO ANOTHER THING THAT HAPPENED, BESIDES THE WAITING ON GETTING THE REQUEST FOR SALARIES IS THAT ON JUNE 20TH OF THIS YEAR THE GOVERNOR SIGNED A STAIN CHANGE IN STATUTE MAKING THE BENCHMARK SALARY FOR A DISTRICT JUDGE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN THEIR FIRST TERM 140,000 DOLLARS IT'S 175. IN THEIR SECOND TERM GOES UP TO 192. SO THESE ARE 2024 TAX SURVEY NUMBERS. THESE

[03:25:08]

SO THAT IS PRE-BENCHMARK. BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE MANY WHO ARE OVER THE BENCHMARK. THERE'S MANY THAT THERE IS A COUPLE OR THREE WHO ARE UNDER THE BENCHMARK. SO I BELIEVE THAT I WOULD BE ASKED ABOUT OTHER COUNTIES. HERE ARE ALL THE ONES OVER 100,000 IN POPULATION WHO RESPONDED TO THE SALARY SURVEY.

SO THAT IS THERE FOR YOU. AND WHAT I'M ASKING THE COUNTY AND HAVEN'T MADE THIS REQUEST SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE. WHAT I AM ASKING NOT JUST ME PERSONALLY BUT THIS OFFICE BE TREATED AS YOU WOULD TREAT THE DISTRICT JUDGES. BY WHOM MY SALARY IS MEASURED AND RAISE IT UP AS CLOSE TO THAT AS YOU CAN KNOWING I DO HAVE THAT SUPPLEMENT BUT WHAT I DON'T USE OF THAT GOES

TO THE OFFICE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW YOU USE YOUR SUPPLEMENT WHICH IS GREAT, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. BUT SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN HERE, THEY DON'T HAVE

TO DO THAT. >> CORRECT, THEY DON'T.

>> THAT IS OBLIGATING THE SALARY BECAUSE YOU GIVE

>> THAT SUPPLEMENT CREATED BECAUSE NUECES COUNTY WAS WELL KNOWN IN GOVERNMENT FOR NOT PAYING ITS ATTORNEYS THAT BEFORE. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT --

>> BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THIS TO YOUR STAFF. YOU CAN KEEP

THE SUPPLEMENT YOURSELF. >> WE CAN KEEP HALF OF IT.

>> YES, OKAY. >> WE CAN KEEP HALF OF IT.

>> FOR MYSELF FOR THE FIRST TIME I'M ASKING FOR A RAISE THAT WOULD BRING MY SALARY UP TO THAT CAP WITH NO MORE OF COURSE THAN

HALF OF THE SUPPLEMENT. >> YES.

>> AND HOPEFULLY LESS THAN HALF OF THE SUPPLEMENT SO MORE CAN GO TO THE EMPLOYEES. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IT'S 1:31.

>> WOW. >> GOOD JOB.

>> YOU CAUGHT YOURSELF. THANK YOU. WASN'T EVEN LOOKING AT THE

TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING.

>> THANK YOU, EVERYONE. PLEASE LET THEM KNOW I WON'T BE THERE.

I'M NOT SURE IF MY STAFF DID. SORRY. ARE THEY OUTSIDE? THERE'S SOME PEOPLE OUTSIDE WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S

OFFICE? THEY'RE UP NEXT. >> WE HAVE SOMETHING TO PASS OUT? LOOKS LIKE THEY HAD TO BRING IT IN ON WHEELS. PRETTY

BIG. >> I OBJECT.

>> OH GOOD GRIEF. I WAS JUST LAUGHING ABOUT OUR PACKETS HAD TO COME IN ON WHEELS. WHAT ARE WE PASSING OUT?

>> PRETTY LARGE PACKET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SHORT TIME TO PRESENT EVERYTHING IN THERE; RIGHT?

WE'RE ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE. >> SOME OF IT WILL BE LEFT.

>> FOR US TO PERUSE ON OUR OWN. >> LET ME GO ASK.

>> RIGHT? >> ONE MINUTE.

>> OKAY. YEAH, REALLY. >> GIVE ME A SECOND. I'VE GOT

TO FIX THIS. >> EVERYBODY WE KNOW. EVERY

[03:30:04]

>> I APOLOGIZE. I JUST NEED TO FIX THIS POWERPOINT. I'M JUST DOING IT VIA ZOOM. IT SHOULD BE UP IN A SECOND WHEN I SHARE THE

SCREEN. >> JUST BLAME IT ON MIKE GORDON.

IT'LL BE ALL RIGHT. >> WE'LL ALL SAY YES, WE

UNDERSTAND. >> LOOKS LIKE I JUST. AGAIN I'M HAVING THAT SAME ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO.

>> WE'VE GOT IT ON OUR SCREEN. >> SHOULD BE GOOD.

>> YOU SAID SPACEBAR. >> SPACEBAR AND BACKSPACE IF YOU

NEED TO GO BACK. >> COOL.

>> CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? >> YES. THANK YOU.

>> READY? >> WE'RE READY.

>> OKAY. FIRST OF ALL GOOD MORNING FROM THE NUECES COUNTY

DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. >> THIS AFTERNOON.

>> MY DAY STARTED EARLY AND I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT.

>> I JUST HAD TO GIVE YOU A JAB. >> WE'RE DELIGHTED TO BE HERE.

I WANT TO THANK MY YOUNG BRILLIANT PEOPLE FOR HELPING PUT THIS POWERPOINT TOGETHER BECAUSE I CAN'T SPELL IT. BUT THEY ARE HERE AND I WILL BE THROWING THINGS OVER TO THEM AS WE GET THROUGH IT. I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. THIS IS BASICALLY OUR MISSION STATEMENT. IT IS JUSTICE. WE HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO DO JUSTICE. EVERY PROSECUTOR TAKES THAT OATH. WE WANT TO THOUGHTFULLY, OFFICIALLY, ETHICALLY AND AGGRESSIVELY PROSECUTE CRIMES. WE WANT TO MAKE NUECES COUNTY A SAFE AND DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE AND RAISE A FAMILY BY REDUCING AND DETERRING CRIME, ESPECIALLY FOR PROSECUTORS WHO WE WANT TO MOVE HERE AND REMAIN HERE AS LIFE LONG PROSECUTORS. THIS IS A NEW ERA. INSURE, REDUCE AND ALLOCATE. WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO ENSURE TIMELY AND EFFICIENT RESOLUTION OF CASES. REDUCE TURNOVER AND RETAIN EXPERIENCED ATTORNEYS AND STAFF BY OFFERING MARKET ALIGNED COMPENSATION, ALLOCATE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT ADMINISTRATION OF THE OFFICE. WE NEED TO INVEST TO SAVE. A MORE EFFICIENTLY RUN AND FULLY STAFFED OFFICE WILL SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY BY LOWERING THE OVERALL JAIL POPULATION. WE LEARNED THIS THROUGH WHEN WE WERE FIGHTING THROUGH THE AUXILIARY COURT. AT ABOUT $85 PER DAY, IF THE JAIL IS MAXED OUT, THAT'S $93,500 A DAY IN FOOD, KIBBLE, GAS, LIGHT, WHEN THE JAIL IS FULL. ONE OF THE JOBS IS TO KEEP THE JAIL POPULATION DOWN. IT CLIMBS BACK UP AND WE FIGHT IT BACK DOWN.

REMEMBER I'M 14 LAWYERS SHORT RIGHT NOW. THE WILLIAM AND MARY STUDY IT'S IN THE BOOK, YOU CAN REFER TO THAT. I GOT PERSONALLY CALLED BY THE GUY WRITING THAT STUDY AND DOING THE RESEARCH ON THE SHORTAGE OF PROSECUTORS. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS FOR IT. PROSECUTORS ARE KIND OF OUT OF VOGUE THESE DAYS.

PEOPLE WANT TO BE CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYERS. THEY WANT TO BE PLAINTIFFS LAWYERS. THEY WANT TO BE ANYTHING BUT A PROSECUTOR. SO WE'RE KIND OF OUT OF VOGUE AND THAT HAS DROPPED OFF. MOST LAWYERS STILL KNOW THAT IF YOU WANT TO LEARN HOW TO BE A TRIAL LAWYER YOU START IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO SINCE 2022, WE HAVE HAD A STAFF SHORTAGE AND I'M JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN. WE HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR COMPETITIVE PROSECUTOR PAY. BY THE WAY, STATE OF TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE EMPLOYEE IN THE OFFICE GAVE ME A $30,000 YEAR RAISE THIS YEAR. I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT. IT WAS TEN YEARS TOO LONG IN COMING. BUT DELIGHTED IF YOU GAVE EVERYBODY IN MY OFFICE THE SAME. SO JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. BUT THE SHORTAGE OF NUECES COUNTY PROSECUTORS LEAVE AS RIPPLE EFFECT THROUGH THE

[03:35:01]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I'M THE MISDEMEANOR CHIEF AT THE DA'S OFFICE. I'M JUST GOING TO RUN YOU THROUGH NUMBERS REAL QUICK. I BELIEVE YOU ALL RECEIVED NUMBERS FROM MR. MASON OVER THERE, MR. MEYER. IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH OURS BECAUSE I DIDN'T CALCULATE IN THE 22.2 OR 12% FOR BENEFITS. FURTHER WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR SHEETS IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A COUPLE MINOR ERRORS THAT CAUSED IT TO BE MUCH LARGER ADDITION. I RAN THIS THROUGH XCEL AND BASED OFF MY SHEET THIS IS WHAT THE COST WITHOUT THOSE BENEFITS. LOOKING HERE, THIS IS OUR CURRENT STAFF IF WE WERE FULLY STAFFED. STARTING IN ROW ONE, THAT'S THE POSITION NAME. ROW NUMBER TWO. WHAT THOSE POSITIONS ARE PAID.

ROW NUMBER THREE IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THOSE POSITIONS AND THEN ROW NUMBER FOUR IS THE AMOUNT TOTAL. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT FULLY STAFFED WE'D HAVE 40 ATTORNEYS IN OUR OFFICE. GOING TO OUR NEXT SLIDE HERE, IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN REFERENCE TO OUR ATTORNEYS. WE'RE ASKING -- AGAIN, ABOUT A $600,000 INCREASE IN PAY WITHOUT BENEFITS. IT'S ON AVERAGE A $15,000 ASK PER ATTORNEY. WHAT WE DID HEAR IS WE LOOK TO SIMPLIFY AND UPDATE ALL OF OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE '90S. WHAT WE DID TO SIMPLIFY IS WE MADE IT ONE MISDEMEANOR ATTORNEY STARTING AT THAT 82,000-DOLLAR MARK. FROM THERE WE TRIED TO KIND OF GO UP $10,000 FOR EACH LEVEL. WE SAID WE WANT OUR FELONY ATTORNEYS STARTING AT A $90,000. OUR MID-LEVEL ATTORNEYS STARTING AT $100,000. OUR SENIOR ATTORNEYS STARTING AT $110,000. FINALLY, WE WERE REQUESTING TWO ATTORNEYS TO BE COMPLEX CRIME ATTORNEYS.

NOW TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL LOT IS. WHAT WE DID THERE TO MAKE THESE TWO COMPLEX ATTORNEYS IS WE CONVERTED TWO OF OUR FELONY ONE POSITIONS INTO COMPLEX ATTORNEY SLOTS. WE'RE STILL ASKING FOR 40 ATTORNEYS. THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER TO RUN OUR OFFICE PROPERLY. OVERALL, THESE NUMBERS BRING US IN LINE WITH OTHER COUNTIES AND SURROUNDING AREAS. WILL ALLOW US TO ATTRACT TALENTED PEOPLE AND RETAIN EXPERIENCED ATTORNEYS. THANK YOU.

>> AND TALKING ABOUT BRINGING US IN LINE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAD HAPPENED TWO YEARS AGO SENATE BILL 22 WAS A BILL THAT DESIGNATED ALMOST EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AS A RURAL COUNTY. AND GAVE THEM MONEY TO PAY THEIR PROSECUTORS. THERE WAS ANOTHER BILL I WENT AND SPOKE TO IT THIS YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE RAISED THAT POPULATION DESIGNATION FROM $300,000 TO $400,000 AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT WOULD HAVE ONLY AFFECTED FIVE COUNTIES. NUECES COUNTY, GALVESTON, BRAZOS, BRAZORIA AND LUBBOCK. THAT FAILED TO PASS. BUT THE GREAT MAJORITY OF COUNTIES HAVE THIS MONEY THEY'RE GIVEN BY THE STATE THROUGH A GRANT THAT WE DON'T GET BECAUSE WE'RE THE MIDDLE CHILD. SO WE TRIED TO GET IT THIS YEAR. WE DIDN'T GET IT. WE'RE STILL STUCK MONKEY IN THE MIDDLE AND WE DON'T -- WE'RE NOT ABLE TO WORK THIS WAY AT THE CAPACITY THAT NUECES COUNTY DESERVES. SO -- CAN YOU COME FIX THIS SCREEN SO I CAN SEE? THIS STUFF IS CLOGGING IN ON THE WRITING SO I'M HAVING TO READ IT OFF.

>> LET ME GET THAT DOWN THERE. PULL THAT DOWN. IS THAT OKAY UP THERE FOR NOW? THAT WAY YOU CAN READ.

>> NOW I CAN SEE IT. SO WE'RE ASKING TO RECONFIGURE A BUDGET SUCH WAY THAT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO CREATE TWO NEW ATTORNEY POSITIONS THAT HE JUST TALKED ABOUT. THE PROSECUTOR SHORTAGE AND LOWER LINE PROSECUTOR SALARIES HAS CAUSED AN EXPEEREN ISSUE DEFICIT. WE HAD A GREAT CANDIDATE. NAVY KID. WENT TO LAW SCHOOL. PERFECTLY ALIGNED TO COME TO A NAVY TOWN. WE HAD HIM

[03:40:04]

>> EXCUSE ME, I HAVE A QUESTION. >> SURE.

>> AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT. I HAD AN EMERGENCY TEXT I WAS TRYING TO RESPOND TO AS WELL. YOU SAID YOU HAD CREATED THE ONE POSITION OUT OF TWO MISDEMEANOR ATTORNEYS THINGS BUT YOU STILL WANTED ALL 40. SO DID YOU GET RID OF ONE TO GET THE OTHER ONE UP AND YOU'RE STILL -- ARE YOU STILL ASKING FOR ALL THE ATTORNEYS? I HEARD YOU SAY YOU STILL NEED THE 40 BUT YOU SAID YOU PUT TWO IN ONE TO GET THE SALARY UP.

>> I GUESS, JUDGE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY. AT THE END OF THE DAY TO ATTRACT THAT INDIVIDUAL, YES, WE WILL CUT THOSE. IF WE CAN GET THAT PERSON, WE'LL CUT THOSE POSITIONS TO DO IT. AS OF RIGHT NOW I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL WHEN I CREATED OR SUBMITTED THE BUDGET. WE SUBMITTED THE BUDGET TWO MONTHS AGO NOW.

>> BUT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT IF YOU HAVE TO?

>> YES. >> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED

CLARIFICATION ON. >> ALL OF THIS IS A MOVING TARGET. WE'RE OPEN TO OTHER NEGOTIATIONS AND THAT KIND OF THING. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT IN THE POSITION OF CONTROL.

>> NEITHER ARE WE RIGHT NOW. UNTIL WE GET ANY NUMBERS.

>> IF YOU COULD GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO THE NUMBERS YOU HAD PAY RAISES THAT YOU'RE SEEKING FOR YOUR ATTORNEYS AND THE TOTAL AMOUNTS. WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD FOR US TO READ ON THIS MONITOR.

>> IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR BINDERS AS WELL, I'VE INCLUDED THE

POWERPOINT SLIDE. >> THIS BINDER?

>> THAT BINDER THERE SHOULD BE THE SLIDES. IT'S A LITTLE

EASIER TO READ. >> UNDER WHAT TAB?

>> FINAL THING. I BELIEVE THIS IS.

>> COMP ANALYSIS. >> IT SHOULD BE ON THE LAST TAB.

>> OH, THE LAST TAB. >> OKAY.

>> THE POWERPOINT. YES. >> ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO IF YOU WERE FULLY EMPLOYED IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, HOW MANY WOULD YOU HAVE ATTORNEYS?

>> WE'D HAVE 40 ATTORNEYS. FOR STAFF I BELIEVE IT'S 31. I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT NUMBER.

>> SO 40 ATTORNEYS AND 31 STAFF MEMBERS.

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> OKAY. CLOSE ENOUGH.

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU GAVE THIS $4 MILLION, THAT'S TOTAL STAFF.

>> SO THIS IS IN REFERENCE JUST TO OUR ATTORNEYS. ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO COVER THE STAFF SEPARATELY TOWARDS THE END OF

IT. >> SO THE $610,000 PAY INCREASE

IS JUST FOR THE 40 ATTORNEYS? >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. SO IF WE GAVE EACH ONE OF THOSE ATTORNEYS A $15,000 PAY INCREASE THAT'S WHERE YOU CAME UP WITH THE 610?

>> BASICALLY THE WAY WE DID IT, I LOOKED TO START US AT THAT 82,000. THAT WAS KIND OF THE GOAL. THAT'S THE STARTING SALARY AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT ATTRACTS THOSE ATTORNEYS.

WE WENT UP FROM THERE. THE WAY I CAME TO THAT AVERAGE OF $15,000 IS I TOOK THE $610,000 AND DIVIDED IT BY THE NUMBER OF

ATTORNEYS. CAME TO 15,000. >> OKAY. AND RIGHT NOW OF THE 40 ATTORNEY POSITIONS YOU HAVE OPEN, YOU SAY YOU HAVE ACTUALLY

HOW MANY WORKING? >> AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE -- WE'RE GOING TO BE 13 OR 14 SHORT. WE HAVE TWO CURRENTLY WORKING BUT IT'S THEIR LAST WEEK. BOTH ARE LEAVING FOR HIGHER PAYING JOBS. WE RECENTLY LOST ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL OVER TO

THE CITY. >> OKAY.

>> BUT WE ARE AT ABOUT 26 OR 27 ATTORNEYS IN ABOUT A WEEK HERE.

>> OKAY. >> SO 26 CURRENTLY. OKAY. OKAY.

VERY GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER, IF YOU LOOK YOU'LL SEE FROM THAT 82 IT JUMPS ABOUT 10,000 PER GRADE AS YOU GO UP. IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE SALARIES GOING UP. WE HAVE CUT INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW,

[03:45:04]

GOES UP FROM THERE. >> OKAY.

>> I WOULD HAVE MADE THEM EVEN NUMBERS EXCEPT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE COUNTY WHERE YOU PUT IT ON THE PAY GRADE. I TRIED TO

MATCH IT UP WITH THE PAY GRADES. >> OKAY. NONE OF THESE ATTORNEYS ARE COUNTED IN THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS NUMBERS; RIGHT?

>> NO. >> OKAY. NO. OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS JUST SOME THINGS WE PULLED OUT FROM THE INTERNET FOR STARTING STAFF PAY.

OUR STAFF IS STARTING AT ABOUT $16 AN HOUR. STARTING STARBUCKS IS $15.25 TO $17.31 HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. STARTING WALMART CASHIER, $14 TO $27 TO BE A CASHIER. SCAN THINGS IN. MEDICAL RECEPTIONIST STARTS AROUND $18. THE DIFFERENCE IS INSTEAD OF SCANNING VEGETABLES AND COCA-COLAS, OUR PEOPLE ARE SEEING THINGS THAT COME IN THROUGH THE CASES THAT WE WORK ON THAT ARE AUTOPSY PHOTOS. SOMETIMES WE TRY TO KEEP IT VERY CLOSE BUT WITH THINGS LIKE CHILD PORN. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF SENSITIVE THINGS THAT COMES THROUGH AND AS THEY HELP US ASSEMBLE THE FILES AND PUT THEM TOGETHER AND GET THEM READY FOR GRAND JURY, THE STAFF IS EXPOSED TO THAT. AND I CAN TELL YOU AFTER DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS, YOU CAN PUT THAT OVER IN A BOX BUT IT STILL STAYS WITH YOU. SO THESE AREN'T CASHIERS. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING SERIOUS WORK AND I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, I'VE GOT THE MOST DEDICATED GROUP OF STAFF PEOPLE THAT I HAVE EVER WORKED WITH. OF COURSE ANGIE'S BEEN WITH ME 16 YEARS. BUT THIS GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE IS AMAZING. AND I COULDN'T BE PROUDER TO BE CAPTAINING THE SHIP THAT THEY'RE TRUSTING ME WITH. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS INCREASE OUR STAFF PAY AND CREATE NEW POSITIONS THAT WILL AID THE ATTORNEYS IN MANAGING HEAVY CASE LOADS, COMPLYING WITH LEGAL, ETHICAL OBLIGATIONS AND WILL ENSURE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES AND ATTRACT THE BEST CANDIDATES AND GIVE THEM PAY THAT'S COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER COUNTIES. ONE OF THE BIG ASKS THAT WE'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE IS CREATING HOW MANY MORE ANGIES? SIX MORE ANGIES. WE WANT THREE PER FLOOR OF THE COUNTY COURT OF THE TWO DISTRICT COURT FLOORS. THESE GUYS, WELL, WHERE'S THAT BOX?

SO BEFORE ANGIE GOT HERE. >> YOU HAVE TO TALK IN THE

MICROPHONE. >> BEFORE ANGIE GOT HERE THIS WAS A PROSECUTOR'S TRIAL BOX. THEY HAD TO TAKE THIS, MAYBE AN EXTRA BOX UP. AFTER ANGIE GOT HERE, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IT'S TABBED. IT'S ORGANIZED. EVERYTHING IS THERE.

THE THUMB DRIVES ARE WHERE THEY CAN FIND THEM. EVERYTHING IS ORGANIZED. AND BELIEVE YOU ME FOR SOMEBODY MY AGE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT WITHOUT SOMEBODY DOING THAT FOR ME. I HAVE LOTS OF LAWYERS MY AGE IN THIS OFFICE. RIGHT, MIKE?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> YEAH. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. IT HELPS ON TIME. THE OTHER THING THAT IS A CHALLENGE FOR THIS OFFICE IS EVERYBODY HAS A RING DOORBELL CAMERA. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CAMERAS INSIDE THEIR CARS. DASH CAMERAS IN THEIR OWN CARS. THEY HELP IMMENSELY IN A MURDER CASE WHEN YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS IN THE CAR AS THEY'RE BEING SHOT AT AND IT'S GREAT EVIDENCE. IT'S VERY MOVING EVIDENCE. THE DOORBELL CAMS ARE INCREDIBLE. BUT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD IT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. HAVE TO GET IT EITHER ON A THUMB DRIVE. THEN WE HAVE TO CONVERT IT FROM WHATEVER FORBE FORMAT THEY'RE USING. WE HAVE TO PUT IT INTO MP4 OR SOMEBODY DOES AND IT'S A FIGHT OVER WHETHER MY PEOPLE DO IT OR THE POLICE OFFICERS DO IT. BUT THEY'VE GOT THE SAME PROBLEM. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE IN THAT DON'T COST AS

[03:50:02]

BUT STILL HAVE US READY FOR TRIAL. WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO HAVE STAFF DOING STAFF THINGS AND LAWYERS DOING LAWYER THINGS. THEY'RE MUCH BETTER AT TYPING. THEY'RE QUICKER AT GETTING THING SCANNED IN. THEY KNOW WHERE THINGS NEED TO BE. WE GET OUT OF THEIR WAY, LET THEM DO THEIR JOB. THEN THEY HAND IT OFF TO US TO DO OURS. WE WANT TO CREATE A CHIEF INVESTIGATOR. I HAVE A PERSON WE CALL OUR CHIEF INVESTIGATOR. BUT HE DOESN'T GET PAID ANY MORE THAN THE OTHER INVESTIGATOR. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL DUTIES THAT GO WITH THAT. WE HAVE WEAPONS. WE HAVE LONG GUNS. WE HAVE HANDGUNS. AND THEY HAVE TO BE KEPT SECURELY.

ALONG WITH THE AMMUNITION. THEY HAVE TO QUALIFY. THEY HAVE TO ORDER THE AMMUNITION. KEEP IT IN A SECURE PLACE AND BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT. WE HAVE CARS THAT ARE -- HAVE LIGHTS AND SIRENS AND RADIOS AND THAT THING. WE HAVE LEFTOVER HAND HELD RADIOS. SO SOMEBODY HAS TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THOSE THINGS.

MAKE SURE THEY DON'T WALK AWAY AND DISAPPEAR. COULD BE SIGNED OUT AS NEEDED. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ON THAT IS A BUMP IN SALARY FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES. THE ATTORNEY ASSISTANT IS ESSENTIALLY TWO ROLES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE. ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND PARALEGAL.

ATTORNEY ASSISTANTS DO WHAT I TOLD YOU A MINUTE AGO.

TRADITIONAL PARALEGAL, FILE MOTIONS, ENTER DISCOVERY REQUESTS AND THAT'S HUGE, GUYS. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT AND OUR DUTY UNDER THE LAW IS TO MAKE SURE THEY GET EVERYTHING THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GET AND GET ALL OF THE DISCOVERY AND WE'VE HAD CASES THAT BLEW UP OVER THAT. MISTRIALS DECLARED AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, GET IT CORRECTED AND GO BACK. IF WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE WORKING ON THAT, HELPING LAWYERS GET THAT DONE, IT'LL BE A GREAT SERVICE AND IT WILL BE CHEAP R IN THE LONG RUN THAN HAVING EXTRA ATTORNEYS. IT'S ALSO -- IF OUR REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL ATTORNEY GRANTED INDIVIDUAL MENTOR AND SUPERVIE VISE ALL ATTORNEY ASSISTANCE WHILE CONTINUING TO ASSIST WITH COMPLEX AND VIOLENT CRIMES. AND THAT IS BASICALLY ANGIE. SHE WILL BE THERE TO ASSIST THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY FIRST ASSISTANT AND CHIEFS WHICH IS ONE OF HER DUTIES ALREADY. ALL OTHER ATTORNEYS AND HANDLE COMPLEX MATTERS. SO SHE KEEPS ME IN LINE. MIKE IN LINE. MY CHIEFS IN LINE. AND SHE'S ALSO TAKING SOME OF THE MOST UNORGANIZED PROSECUTORS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN AND GETTING THEM ORGANIZED AND TRIAL READY. I'VE GOT LAWYERS THAT CAN STAND UP ON THEIR HIND LEGS AND TRY A CASE ALL DAY LONG TILL THE COWS COME HOME, BUT WITH ALL THIS CRUSH OF INFORMATION THEY NEED HELP. SO HAVING SOMEONE LIKE ANGIE DOING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY INVALUABLE.

WE WANT TO BRING MORE PEOPLE LIKE HER IN AND HAVE HER WORK ON TRAINING THEM, MAYBE PROMOTE FROM WITHIN. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ALMOST THERE THAT WE COULD MOVE UP INTO THOSE ROLES.

THAT IS A WAY TO SAVE BY GOING MID LEVEL INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR MORE LAWYERS. SO, I'M GOING TO CALL ON YOU AGAIN BECAUSE I

CAN'T SEE THIS NUMBER. >> AGAIN, WHAT I DID HERE WAS JUST TOOK MY XCEL SHEET AND PUTTING IT OVER HERE. THIS IS OUR CURRENT STAFF NUMBERS. I THINK YOU ASKED ME HOW MANY STAFF WE HAD. I HAVE A COUNT OF 28 THERE. SO WE HAVE 28 ADMIN STAFF IN OUR OFFICE CURRENTLY. THEY TOTAL OUT PAID ABOUT THAT $1.1 MILLION. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE BENEFITS. SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT AND I JUST INCLUDED THE PAY SCALES. OVERALL WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING TO BASICALLY INCREASE THEIR PAY SCALES BY TWO AND ALSO CHANGING A COUPLE THINGS UP. ONE, WE DELETED A PARALEGAL POSITION THAT WE HAD. IT ISN'T IN LINE WITH THE WORK SHE WAS DOING. SHE WAS DOING WHAT OUR ADMIN SECRETARY LEAD WAS DOING FOR EVERYTHING SHE WAS DOING OVER THERE, SO WE DELETED THAT POSITION AND REQUESTED TO BECOME AN ADMIN SECRETARY LEAD. WE ASKED FOR THAT CHIEF INVESTIGATOR TO BE PAID AT THAT $55,000 MARK. WE ASKED FOR THE

[03:55:03]

ALONGSIDE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ASSISTANT FOR THE $57,000. IN TOTAL WE'RE ASKING FOR SEVEN ADDITIONAL POSITIONS. SIX OF WHICH ARE THAT ATTORNEY ASSISTANTS. ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE THE CHIEF INVESTIGATOR. JUST TO BRING US TO PARITY OR HELP US OUT IN THE OFFICE. EVERYONE ELSE WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT THEIR ROLES, WHAT WE DO. WE UPDATED THEIR JOB APPLICATIONS AND TRIED TO MAKE IT FAIR FOR WHAT EVERYONE WAS DOING IN THE OFFICE AND BRING IT INTO LINE. OVERALL WE'RE ASKING FOR ABOUT A $400,000 INCREASE BETWEEN THE TWO. SO $400,000 FOR STAFF.

ABOUT $600,000 FOR OUR ATTORNEYS.

>> SO WHAT'S YOUR TOTAL YOU'RE ASKING?

>> I HAD IT AT. IT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR FINAL SLIDE FOR THE EXACT NUMBER BEFORE BENEFITS SO MULTIPLY THAT BY 22.12 SHOULD BE THE TOTAL ASK FROM MY CALCULATIONS. I TALKED TO MR. MEYER EARLIER AND I CAUGHT THE ERRORS THAT WENT THROUGH ON OUR OPEN GOV REQUEST. SOME THINGS NOT GETTING SUBTRACTED PROPERLY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YEAH, SORRY.

>> IS YOUR TOTAL THE RECLASS INCLUDING THE NEW POSITIONS?

THIS TOTAL? >> IT WOULD BE THE RECLASS. THAT

SHOULD BE THE 1.578. >> MY QUESTION IS THIS NUMBER IS IT THE RECLASS AND THE NEW POSITIONS IN TOTAL?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY.

>> SORRY. >> THE TOTAL PERSONNEL INCREASES

WOULD BE 1,100,000 ROUGHLY. >> LESS THAN THAT.

>> WITH THE BENEFITS FACTORED IN.

>> READY? >> YES.

>> THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING. IF YOU GO OUT AND COUNT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING TAXES IN NUECES COUNTY IT'S 353,000 SOME ODD FOLKS. OUR ASK COMES OUT AS BEST WE COULD CALCULATE AGAIN GIVEN SOME OF THESE CHANGES IT COULD BE REDONE TO ABOUT $2.92 PER TAXPAYER. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT MUCH OF AN INCREASE TO THEIR TAX BURDEN. BY COMPARISON YOU HAVE STARBUCKS COFFEE. YOU KNOW, IF IT YOU ALL WANT TO BUY US TWO TACOS. WE'D BE HAPPY TO EAT THEM. A PACKAGE OF BALLPOINT BIC PENS. GALLON OF MILK. $2.97. WE'RE NOT MAKING THAT BIG OF AN ASK IN THE LONG RUN. EVERYTHING IN NUECES COUNTY BOTTLENECKS THROUGH OUR OFFICE.

THAT MEANS THAT THE CCPD, EVERY CASE THEY DO, MISDEMEANOR, COMES -- FELONY COMES TO OUR OFFICE AND IT BOTTLENECKS THROUGH US.

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

[04:00:03]

>> AS WE'VE TOLD YOU THE DA'S OFFICE --

>> I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ZOOM.

>> OKAY. >> AS WE'VE TOLD YOU, THE DA'S

OFFICE IS NEARLY -- >> DON'T HEAR IT ENOUGH.

>> ECHO . >> FRUSTRATING.

>> CASES. THIS IS AN UPDATE TO OUR INVESTIGATIVE REPORT. AS WE'VE TOLD YOU, THE DA'S OFFICE.

>>>

[04:06:28]

AND I LIVED THERE THREE YEARS AND WENT TO LAW SCHOOL SO I CAN TESTIFY, BUT FOLKS THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION.

ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> DID NOT REALIZE YOU WERE A RED RAIDER.

>> WHAT'S THE STARTING SALARY FOR A LAWYER IN THE OFFICE?

>> RIGHT NOW 67,000. >> 67,000 STARTING.

>> THIS YOUNG MAN HAD NOT PASSED THE BAR YET BUT THEY'RE OFFERING, I LOOKED UP ANOTHER RURAL COUNTY, THEIR STARTING YOUNG LAWYERS AT $87,000 WITH UP TO 100 STRAIGHT OUT OF LAW SCHOOL WE WILL CONSIDER YOU. PEOPLE ARE DESPERATE TO GET PROSECUTORS SO IT IS TIME. IT IS JUST TIME WHATEVER CAN BE

DONE IS TO BE DONE. >> WHAT DO YOU DO US RISING

POSITIONS? >> WE DO SOME ON TC DAA AS I UNDERSTAND. NOT SURE WHERE THE COUNTY LISTINGS GO.

>> YOU WILL DO LAW SCHOOL? JOB FAIR.

>> WE REACH OUT TO LAW SCHOOLS, WE WILL SEND SOME TEAMS TO RECRUIT, BUT THEY ARE WALKING OUT OF HERE, JUDGE, OR COMMISSIONER I KNOW KIDS WALKING OUT MAKING 100 GRAND WITH BE A DEGREES OR BS DEGREES IN COMPUTER SCIENCE.

HARD TO COMPETE WITH THEM WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT, MY STEPSON WALKED OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA AND TOOK $100,000 GIG AS A DATA SCIENTIST.

SO THESE GUYS COME OUT OF LAW SCHOOL WITH LAW SCHOOL DEBT AND PILING UP AND I HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO PAY THAT BACK SOMEDAY.

IF THEY DON'T STAY AS A PUBLIC SERVICE PROSECUTOR FOR 10 YEARS WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE DEBT.

BUT YOU KNOW IT IS TOUGH AND IT IS TOUGH ALL OVER, UNFORTUNATELY. GREATEST EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE WAS TO BE A PROSECUTOR. AS A LINE PROSECUTOR IT'S A LOT OF FUN BECAUSE ARE DOING THE LORDS WORK, YOU OWN THE COURTROOM, YOU LEARN YOUR TRADE, LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH JUDGES AND YOU GET USED TO ALL OF THEM.

IT'S THE BEST TRAINING THAT A YOUNG LAWYER CAN HAVE.

THE PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE, YOU CAN STAY HERE AND MAKE THIS YOUR CAREER. SO I HOPE THIS IS THE FIRST STEP ALONG THIS ROAD AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I DON'T THINK SO, WE ARE GOOD.

THE NEXT PRESENTATION IS HERE, BEFORE YOU GET UP THE JUDGES, WE ARE TRYING TO FIT THE MEN. THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE QUICK.

>> THANK YOU. >> WANT TO THANK OUR JUDGES FOR

[04:10:14]

WE TALK ABOUT. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE YOU ON THE MICROPHONE. ANYBODY ONLINE CANNOT HEAR YOU

IF YOU WALK AWAY. >> WE EFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. THOSE ARE WORDS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT LOADED BUT FROM THE JUDGE'S PERSPECTIVE WHEN WE HAVE A PROSECUTOR OFFICE WHERE ATTORNEYS COME, THEY STAY THREE YEARS AND MOVE ON YOU HAVE A LOSS OF EXPERIENCE AND THAT LEADS TO PROBLEMS WE TALK ABOUT HIGHER-LEVEL CASES.

THERE USED TO BE SPECIALIZED CASELOADS, PROSECUTION DIVISIONS, THOSE ARE GONE AND THE LINE PROSECUTION HANDLE ANYTHING FROM ROBBERY TO UNAUTHORIZED USED TO SEXUAL ASSAULT OR MURDER. WHEN YOU PROSECUTORS THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT AREA IT CAN CREATE HARDSHIP FOR VICTIMS AS WELL AS FOR US TO ADMINISTER JUSTICE EFFECTIVELY, SO I WANTED TO STRENUOUSLY ECHO WHAT JIMMY HAS TOLD YOU IN REGARDS TO NEEDING MORE MONEY FOR THE DAS OFFICE, THAT IS A MUST THAT REALLY IS A MUST AND ALONG WITH THAT I WANT TO SAY THIS, FIRST OFF YOU ARE A WONDERFUL GROUP OF PEOPLE AND I'M SO EXCITED I AM HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU LOOK GREAT, YOU KNOW. WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

I AM STRONGLY URGING EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE WE GO TO NOT ONLY HAVE 3.5%, BUT THE UNUSED INCREMENT.

IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO KEEP THE COUNTY GOING. IF THIS WAS A TALK ABOUT ROADS WE WOULD HAVE POTHOLES ALL OVER THE PLACE AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JUSTICE IT'S NOT AS EASILY VISIBLE AS IT IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROADS.

IF YOU OPEN UP YOUR FOLDERS I WANTED TO PUT A FEW THINGS DOWN FOR YOU TO LOOK AT YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND THEN I WILL MOVE ON.

FIRST IS COURT REPORTERS, AND ASKING TO EQUAL PAY BETWEEN COURT REPORTERS FROM THE COUNTY TO THE DISTRICT CLERK DISTRICT COURT REPORTERS, MAYBE ONE OF A DIFFERENCE BUT I KNOW GRAYSON CAN ADDRESS THAT AND THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I WILL GET TO WHY IN A SECOND. WE ARE ASKING WHERE WE HAVE MADE RESOLUTION IN FAVOR OF INCREASING SALARY TO 2% PER YEAR, RIGHT NOW 5% EVERY FIVE YEARS AND THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO RETAIN COURT REPORTERS. ALSO WE ARE ASKING THE CAP BE RAISED $5000. THERE ARE TWO AT THE CEILING AND WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEM. NOT ASKING FOR IT AT THIS TIME BUT RIGHT NOW PAY FOR A COURT REPORTER TO COME IN, IF WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN A REPORTER IS NOT AVAILABLE I BELIEVE IT IS $291 ROUGHLY AND THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO GET COURT REPORTERS TO COME DOWN TO NUECES COUNTY FOR THE DAY.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? LET'S SAY NOTHING HAPPENS AND WE LOSE A COURT REPORTER, THE COURT IS SHUT DOWN.

FOR THE COMMISSIONERS THAT MEANS THE JAIL STARTS FILLING UP, YOU ARE NOW PAYING MONEY TO ANOTHER JAIL TO HOUSE INMATES.

THAT'S THE REALISTIC END IF WE DO NOT ADDRESS THE SITUATION NOW. SO WE HAVE ONE FLOATER BUT IF WE LOSE ONE MORE WE WILL HAVE PROBLEMS IN NUECES COUNTY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS NOW SO WE DON'T COME TO YOU WHEN IT'S NOT BUDGET SESSION AND SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE INCREASED SO WE ARE DRESSING THAT NOW.

COURT MANAGERS AND BAILIFF A 10% INCREASE.

LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE FOR THE BAILIFFS AND I HAVE IT FOR MANY WEEKS, THAT'S NOT CORRECT IT IS THE LAST COURT LOOKING FOR A COURT BAILIFF, OPEN FOR THREE MONTHS WITH NO APPLICANTS, ONE PERSON TO INTERVIEW THAT PERSON WENT TO ANOTHER JOB FOR TWICE THE MONEY. WE HAVE TO HAVE STAFF TO MAN THE COURTS, WHEN YOU CANNOT FILL A POSITION FOR MONTHS THAT MEANS COMMISSIONERS COURT HAS TO INCREASE THE SALARY SO WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN. EFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. I WOULD LOVE TO ADDRESS MORE PROBLEMS THAT I SEE COMING BUT I'M WAITING FOR WHEN IT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AND THESE HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED NOW.

THE COURT REPORTERS, THE COURT MANAGERS, BAILIFFS IS A NOW

[04:15:02]

SERVICE FOR THE COURT AND DISTRICT CLERK, THIS IS AN INTERESTING PROGRAM. YOU CAN LOOK BEHIND IT, A TOTAL OF $60,000 ALLOWING COURTS TO SERVE DOCUMENTS IN THE CLERKS WHEN THEY SERVE JUDGMENTS RIGHT NOW IF DID YOU DROP DOCKET WE PREPARE 200 LETTERS IN ENVELOPES AND SEND THEM OUT WITH POSTAGE, THIS ALLOWS TO DO AWAY WITH THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH TYLER AND ODYSSEY AND SET OUT THE NOTICES THROUGH ELECTRONIC MEANS AND IS GOING TO SAVE TIME AND MONEY.

I WOULD STRONGLY ASK FOR THAT. >> EVERYONE IS OKAY USING THIS, UTILIZING THIS? WE WON'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM?

>> ALL THE THINGS I AM TALKING ABOUT I HAVE TALKED TO I.T.

AND THE BOARD OF JUDGES INTO THE DISTRICT WORKS, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO THE COUNTY CLERK BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A PERSON FROM THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE TO ADDRESS IT SO I HAVE DONE THE BACKGROUND ON ALL OF THIS. ANOTHER INTERESTING PROGRAM ALREADY BUDGETED TO THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE IS E PAY FOR THE JURY, JURORS COME IN AND GET MONEY, WE ARE DOING IT BY CHECKS, THE NEW PROCESS WILL ALLOW THAT TO BE DONE THROUGH ELECTRONIC PAYPAL, DIRECT DEPOSIT, SAVE ON THE ISSUE OF CHECKS AND POSTAGE AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.

I WILL LET YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE AMOUNT YOU HAVE BUDGETED.

>> I KNOW IT HAS BEEN IN BUDGETING. I KNOW WE HAD A MEETING ABOUT IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT. FINALLY LAST THE STATUTORY INCREASED PRODIGIOUS SALARY ASKING FOR THE COMMISSIONERS COURT TO FOLLOW WHAT THE NEW LAW IS, INCREASE IN PAY FOR COUNTY COURTS AND INCREASE IN THE COUNTY SUPPLEMENT FOR DISTRICT COURTS. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING TO SO I THOUGHT I WOULD LAY IT OUT, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS DO NOT HESITATE TO TALK.

I WILL YIELD REST OF MY TIME. >> ONE MORE QUESTION AT THE TOP YOU SAID YOU ARE ASKING FOR 2% INCREASE FOR SALARY FOR COURT REPORTERS EVERY YEAR. YOU ALREADY HAVE 10% YOU CAN IMPOSE. THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE?

THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE 10%? >> WE CAN BUT WE HAVE A SCHEDULE NOW 5% EVERY FIVE YEARS THAT'S NOT ENOUGH SO WE ARE ASKING FOR 2% EVERY YEAR. YOU ARE RIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I'M HOPING THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL SEE WE'RE NOT JUST ASKING FOR MONEY WE CAN'T ASK, THESE ARE NECESSARY THINGS. SOME ARE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. AND BEING HONEST I LIKE WE ARE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER, I LOOK AT EVERY COMMISSIONER HERE, I CAN TALK TO YOU AND I LIKE THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE SO DON'T THINK I'M ASKING FOR THIS WITHOUT A SUBSTANTIAL REASON FOR DOING SO. PLEASE ACCEPT 3.5% AND THE

INCREMENTS WE NEED. >> QUESTIONS ANYBODY?

>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? WHEN DAVID WAS TALKING IN REGARDS, I SUPPORT EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT, THE BOARD OF JUDGES DOES AS WELL.

I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE BAILIFF OFFICE.

THE LAST PART TO THE STORY HE JUST SAID IS NOT ONLY ARE WE WAITING THREE MONTHS FOR SOMEONE TO APPLY, MY COURT IS WITHOUT A BAILIFF AND WE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO MET THE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT INDIVIDUAL JUST TOOK A JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THEY GOT MORE MONEY.

THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO REOPEN EVERYTHING AND SEND IT AGAIN.

THAT ALSO MEANS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN SENDING OVER SHERIFF'S PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ON THE STREET DOING WORK FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING IN MY OFFICE OR COURTROOM GETTING READY FOR TRIAL OR JURY TRIAL.

COURT MANAGERS, I ALWAYS SAY WHEN THE LAWYERS ARE IN FRONT OF ME AND THEY SUGGEST CAN I SET THIS ON FRIDAY OR NEXT WEDNESDAY? I SEE MY NAME IS ON THE DOOR, BUT CHRISSY AND COURT MANAGERS ARE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO RUN CASES AND RUN OUR COURTS. WE TRY TO BE INCREDIBLY EFFICIENT FOR YOU ALL SO I ALSO ASK THAT YOU WILL APPROVE AND I

[04:20:02]

>> THANK YOU. >> CAN I ASK A GENERAL QUESTION? WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH CONSTABLES WHO CAME TO ASK FOR EXTRA PEOPLE BECAUSE AFTER COVER THE GPS AND BAILIFFS. I THOUGHT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO GIVE BAILIFFS TO ALL OF THEM, YOU ARE TELLING US IT'S HARD TO GET BAILIFFS BECAUSE OF THE PAY BUT I WILL ASK THE QUESTION IN REVERSE ORDER, IS IT BETTER TO GIVE THE SHERIFF MORE PEOPLE AND MAKE AND PROVIDE BAILIFFS NOT COME UP WITH INDIVIDUAL? JUST ASKING TO GET AN IDEA. IS THAT A BETTER ROUTE? I KNOW THE BAILIFFS IF I REMEMBER THEY ARE NOT ALL PEACE OFFICERS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT WOULD BE BETTER? NOT A QUESTION BUT JUST GOING THROUGH THIS.

>> IT IS A POSSIBILITY AND ALL THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF PROVIDING BAILIFFS, SOMETIMES THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR DIFFERENT AREAS.

I THINK AT THIS POINT NUECES COUNTY IS MANDATORY THE JUDGES HIRE A BAILIFF. HONESTLY I THINK THAT WOULD BE FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND ANOTHER CONVERSATION.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU GET MORE MONEY FOR THE SHERIFF IN THE SHARE PROVIDE THE BAILIFF? I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE CHANGES TO THE LAW AND I WOULD RATHER TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE BOARD OF JUDGES.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT FEELS ABOUT IT, IT'S JUST AN IDEA BECAUSE THEY ASKED.

>> WE ARE ALREADY IN A BIND. >> IF IT'S HARD TO GET BAILIFFS AND IT'S ABOUT PAY AND IF THE BAILIFF IS OUT SICK IT WILL SEND SOMEONE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ANYWAY SO JUST AN IDEA.

THAT'S FAIR TO GO BACK AND SAY WOULD BE BETTER LONG HAUL? I'M NOT TRYING TO GET BAILIFFS GONE OR ANYTHING BUT FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT COULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT AND SAY OKAY SHERIFF THERE'S 10 QUARTS OR WHATEVER I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER AND WILL GIVE A SHERIFF, 10 MORE PEOPLE BUT PROVIDE BARIS 24/7 SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME PERSONAL THE TIME GIVE A POLICE OR SHERIFF'S OFFICER AND IT'S AN IDEA.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT IT IF YOU WANT TO FORM A COMMITTEE I WOULD LOVE TO BE ON IT, COME UP WITH IDEAS AND TAKE IT BACK TO THE BOARD OF JUDGES.

>> OR AND HERE'S A WILD PITCH TO RIGHT FIELD.

WE HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR TO SUPPLY SECURITY FOR THE BUILDING WHY WOULD WE NOT CONSIDER DOING THAT FOR BAILIFFS ? IF THEY WERE PEACE OFFICERS THROUGH CONTRACTED SERVICE? I AM LIKE CHESNEY THROWING IT OUT.

>> OFF-THE-CUFF I WOULD WANT TO SEE THE COST.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT THE SERVICE CHARGES PER PERSON. BASING THIS ON PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND WHAT THEY PAY I THINK SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE BEING PAID $18-$20 PER HOUR MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING NOW SO IF WE INCREASE THE PRICE WE WOULD PROBABLY SOLVE THE ISSUE.

>> THIS MORNING WE HAD CONSTABLES IN HERE ASKING MORE PAY FOR BAILIFFS, MORE BAILIFFS AND MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHY ARE THE CONSTABLES RESPONSIBLE FOR FURNISHING BAILIFFS TO

BEGIN WITH? >> IT'S IN THE STATUTE OF THEIR

JOB. >> THE GOVERNMENT CODE TALKS ABOUT IT AND IT IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERY COUNTY.

THERE TWO SECTIONS. THE CRIMINAL CODE SAYS PROVIDE BAILIFF IF NECESSARY FOR TRIAL AND ANOTHER PART OF THE CODE TALKS ABOUT JUDGES SHALL APPOINT FOR EACH COURT IN NUECES COUNTY. I'M NOT PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT IT.

I AM ALWAYS INTERESTED IN FINDING MORE EFFECTIVE AND COST- EFFECTIVE WAYS OF HELPING THE COUNTY.

>> THAT ARE SECURITY FOR YOUR WELL.

NOT THAT YOUR BAILIFFS ARE NOT GREAT, THEY'RE GREAT.

JUST SAYING TO HAVE A GUY IN THERE WITH A BADGE THAT IS A

POLICE OFFICER, JUST AN IDEA. >> I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE

COST FOR THAT. >> LOOKING AT SECURITY CONTRACTORS AND OUR SECURITY OFFICER IS AROUND $18 AN HOUR.

>> I AM IN AGREEMENT GETTING WITH THE BOARD OF JUDGES,

[04:25:02]

THEY DO SOME CLERICAL WORK AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS JUST

WANTED TO THROW THAT IN. >> I WOULD AGREE ON THAT, TOO.

MY BAILIFF IS GONE SO I AM THE COURT NOW MISSING THEIR BAILIFFS, I HAVE TO TELL YOU AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND INDIVIDUALS THAT COME HELP US AND ONE OF THEM IS HERE, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOMEBODY DIFFERENT EVERY SINGLE DAY SO WHAT HAPPENS, REMEMBER THE MOVIE GROUNDHOG DAY SAME THING OVER AND OVER BUT HAVE TO TEACH EVERY DAY.

WE HAD TO PICK A JURY THE OTHER DAY WITH MY OLD BAILIFF BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN THERE EIGHT YEARS IT WAS CLOCKWORK.

WE KNOW HOW THEY ARE HOW THEY LINEUP, BRING THEM AND SELECT THE JURY IN A HOUR AND A HALF. EVEN THOUGH I HAPEOPLE HELPING THEY DON'T KNOW THE WAY WE DO THINGS SO EVERY SINGLE TIME WE DO THAT THE SAME THING I ISSUE A WARRANT, WHILE BAILIFF WHEN I CALL THE CASE HE WOULD BE AT THE FRONT DOOR CALLING THE NAME THREE TIMES SO I COULD ISSUE A WARRANT OR FIND THE GUY SO EVERYTHING TAKES LONGER WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO TEACH SOMEBODY AND EVEN AS GREAT AS THEY ARE AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEING HERE AND RADAR HELPING, DAVID GARCIA HELPING THIS WEEK.

WE ALL DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND WE TRY TO TRAIN OUR STAFF TO DO THEM THE MOST EFFICIENTLY SO I LIKE THE IDEA AND I WOULD LOVE TO CHECK IT OUT AND LISTEN, BUT IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT HAS TO BE THE SAME SHERIFF'S DEPUTY EVERY DAY OR WE ARE REINVENTING THE WHEEL SO THERE YOU GO.

>> OR A POOL YOU TRAIN. >> WE DO THINGS 100% DIFFERENT SO, IF I TRAIN SOMEBODY THAT COMES IN TO DO MINE NOW HE'S 100% READY IF ALL OF A SUDDEN HE GOES TO JUDGE STIFF'S OFFICE , BECAUSE I HAVE SAT ON THE BENCH FOR DIFFERENT CASES AND HE HAS HAD ON MY BENCH. WE DO THINGS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP OUR

BAILIFFS BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. >> NOT TAKING YOUR BAILIFFS AWAY. JUST AN IDEA.

>> I HAVE A COMMENT ON THE COURT REPORTERS.

NORMALLY WE HAVE TWO AND WE HAD A OPENING FOR A SECOND ROVER SINCE JANUARY AND NOT A SINGLE APPLICANT.

MY THE REQUEST COURT ADMINISTRATION WE HAVE AN ADMINISTERED SECRETARY CURRENTLY PART-TIME WHERE I'M ASKING TO ADD HER 10 HOURS A WEEK, SHE GETS PAID AND IF IT'S CURRENTLY JUST ASKING TO MAKE A FULL-TIME FOR ADDITIONAL 10 HOURS A WEEK AND ASKING FOR OUR INTERPRETER FOR THE COUNTY, WHO SERVES ALL AREAS FOR A RAISE AND I MOVED HIM UP A PAYGRADE.

>> THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE IT. IS THAT EVERYTHING?

>> I THINK WE ARE DONE. YEAH.

>> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE YOUR WELL-BEING HERE AND STAYING.

>> WANTED TO LET SOMETHING TO THE BAILIFF ISSUE, I GOT THE IMPRESSION THIS MORNING AND I RETURNED BACK FROM ANOTHER CAREER RECENTLY BUT I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT CONSTABLES WERE SUPPLYING TO THE GPS AND DISTRICT COURTS GOT THEIR BAILIFFS ELSEWHERE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DISTINCTION WAS

SOMETHING TO ACCOUNT FOR. >> THEY DO CUMBERLAND THE DIFFERENCE AND WE LOOK THEM UP BEFORE CONSTABLES, NUMBER ONE

DUTY IS TO PROVIDE THE JP COURT. >> NOT THE DISTRICT.

>> YES. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO HELP? >> HE IS MY ITI.

>> I'M IN TROUBLE LATER. >> YOU KNOW WE ARE PAYING $18

[04:30:16]

>> OKAY, IF YOU GUYS ARE READY. >> READY WHEN YOU ARE PLEASE

PROCEED. >> MI YOUR LAST?

>> OH, NO. WE ARE KEEPING THINGS GOING, WE

ARE HERE UNTIL PROBABLY 5:00. >> I ONLY HAVE 15 SLIDES, SO WE WILL SEE HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET THROUGH THOSE.

THIS IS MY FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP.

I HAVE BEEN AROUND ALMOST 3 YEARS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FULLY FUNDED NATURE OF THE FIRST PART OF THE GRANT I HAVE NOT HAD TO COME DO THIS. SO I HOPE I DO OKAY, BUT YOU WILL LET ME KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS I HAVE THAT I DO NOT ANSWER AND PROCEDURALLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW THE TI D.C. WILL HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER RESOLUTION AND GRANT PAPERWORK, LIKE WE DID LAST SUMMER AND I WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT TO YOU ALL AT COURT TO HAVE YOU APPROVE IT. SO THERE IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS VERY SOON.

SOME GOING TO START WITH A ROADMAP, WHAT I HOPE TO GET TO IS FIRST TO SHOW YOU, ESPECIALLY YOU, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. THE VALUE, TO DATE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRING BY VIRTUE OF THE CASES WE HAVE WORKED ON.

THAN OUR POTENTIAL FOR THE 2026 VALUE, THEN A BRIEF GRANT UPDATE, JUST IN THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED AND HOW THAT IS WORKING OUT, AND THEN MY FAVORITE PART, SOME INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK TOWARD.

AND THEN FINALLY A BUDGET SUMMARY, MY BUDGET PART IS PRETTY SIMPLE, BASICALLY AN INCREASE BECAUSE HE NEVER PAID ANYTHING AND IT IS AROUND 355,000, THAT'S 20% OF THE TOTAL GRANT BUDGET. OKAY SO WE WILL START WITH THE MONEY. SO YOU WILL RECALL EVEN THOUGH I STARTED IN NOVEMBER IN NOVEMBER 2022, WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST APPOINTED CASE ON MAY 3, 2023.

AND EVERY YEAR, THE AUDITOR CREATES AN INDIGENT DEFENSE EXPENSE REPORT WHICH SOME OF YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THAT REFLECTS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT THE COUNTY

[04:35:01]

HAVING DONE COURT APPOINTED WORK.

WE HANDLED 217 IN THE FISCAL YEAR.

BETWEEN MAY 3 WHEN WE GOT OUR FIRST CASE AND SEPTEMBER 30, WE CLOSED 217. SO THAT IS A VALUE RIGHT THERE OF 91,574 THAT YOU ALL DID NOT HAVE TO PAY PRIVATE ATTORNEYS FOR HANDLING COURT APPOINTED CASES.

IN 2024 WE HAD A FULL FISCAL YEAR.

WE WERE OBVIOUSLY STILL GETTING RAMPED UP AND I WOULD SUGGEST WE ARE ALWAYS GROWING AND IMPROVING, BUT FOR THAT YEAR WE HANDLED 1429 CASES AND, YOUR FEES WENT DOWN A BIT, BUT YOUR CASE COUNT WENT UP SO I CANNOT REALLY EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY WHAT THE JUDGES PAY ON EACH CASE.

NONETHELESS, IT BROUGHT THE AVERAGE DOWN TO $382, SO THAT MEANS THAT THE VALUE RESAVED THE COUNTY THAT YEAR WAS

$445,878. >> YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO ASK.

CAN YOU SHOW ME IN 24, RESAVED THAT IN ATTORNEYS FEES FROM THE DISTRICT AND COUNTY COURT? DO YOU HAVE THAT STATISTIC?

>> SAY THAT AGAIN I'M SORRY. >> DOING THIS ANALYSIS FULLY AND YOU ARTICULATING WE ARE SAVING 545,000 AND WE SHOULD SEE THAT IN ANOTHER LINE ITEM, I.E.

FROM THE ATTORNEYS FEES WE SHOULD HAVE REDUCED 545,878 FROM THE DISTRICT COURT COUNTY COURT.

>> DO YOU MEAN FROM THEIR BUDGET?

>> IF YOU SAY IT IS A SAVINGS, THEN THEIR FEE WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PITCH ON THIS WHEN WE STARTED, IF WE DO THIS, OUR ATTORNEYS FEES, THE ATTORNEY FEES YOU WILL SEE A GREAT REDUCTION IN THE ATTORNEY FEES BECAUSE PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICE WILL TAKE CARE OF SO MANY MORE SO THAT WOULD

BE MY QUESTION. >> THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

>> GRAYSON DOES A BOOK, COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS AND THIS DEDUCTION SHOULD COME OFF THAT. THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SEE THAT.

>> WE WOULD LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL FOR THE COURT

APPOINTED FEES OVER TIME. >> WE GET AN ANNUAL THING EVERY

YEAR. >> I GET IT, THAT HAD NOT BEEN

DONE. >> BY PROVING A NEGATIVE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PREDICT THE NUMBER OF TOTAL CASES YEAR TO YEAR. IT WENT UP FOR 24, WE DON'T KNOW

HOW MANY THERE WILL BE IN 25. >> THAT YOUR CASE IS.

>> TOTAL PAID, AS WELL. SO LIKE IN 23 THERE WERE 10,376 CASES PAID, OUR NUMBER IS NOT INCLUDED SO YOU WOULD ADD THAT TO THE 217, TO GET THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT NEEDED APPOINTED CASES AND NEXT YEAR THAT WENT WAY UP 10,844, PLUS 1429.

HISTORICALLY, I HAVE THE NUMBERS THAT I CAN GET TO YOU BUT I DID NOT BRING TODAY. I HAVE THE NUMBERS GOING BACK FROM 2013 AND SOME YEARS IT GOES DOWN AND SOME IT GOES UP.

IF YOU ARE NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR THE ATTORNEY FEES ON A PARTICULAR CASE, THAT IS NOT REFLECTED SOMEWHERE EXCEPT IN THE NUMBERS WE ARE CLOSING. SO WE REPORT WITH GRAYSON, AS WELL. WE TURN IN THE NUMBERS OF

CLOSED CASES IN EACH COURT. >> LET ME ASK ANOTHER WAY.

4,147,000, THAT WAS THE TOTAL ATTORNEYS FEES NUECES COUNTY

PAID? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> TELL ME IN 23 THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FEES WAS 4,373,544., LESS CASES. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE SAVED 545,000, WE IN NUECES COUNTY.

I'M TRYING, I GET THE MATH TAKING 382, TIMES 1489 BUT THAT

[04:40:03]

DOES NOT MEAN WE SAVED IT. >> YOU WOULD'VE HAD TO PAY FOR THOSE 1429. YOU WOULD'VE PAID A PRIVATE LAWYER FOR THE 1429 CASES IF WE WERE NOT HERE.

SO YOUR FEES WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN 4,147,000.

I AM ESTIMATING THAT THEY WOULD'VE GONE UP 545,000 BECAUSE THE AVERAGE FEE THAT YOU DID PAY ON THE ONES YOU PAID WAS $382.

SO, THOSE, WE DO NOT CREATE THE 1429, THOSE CAME IN LIKE ALL THE OTHER COURT APPOINTED CASES.

WE GOT APPOINTED LIKE A PRIVATE ATTORNEY DOES, BUT YOU'RE NOT PAYING US ON A FEE APP PER CASE.

>> RIGHT, BUT EVENTUALLY WE ARE GOING TO PAY COMMODES THE

BUDGET? >> 1.779.

SO IN YEAR EIGHT YES. >> SO EVENTUALLY WE ARE GOING TO PAY 1.8, IT'S GOING UP BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE RAISES AND WHATEVER SO WE ARE GOING TO STILL COST 1.3 MILLION MORE IF WE STAY ON THIS TRACK THEN IF WE KEPT IT WHERE IT WAS.

>> MAY BE, YOU WILL SEE. BE PATIENT, HOLD ON.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST ANALYSIS. WE DON'T KNOW 2025 NUMBERS, BUT AS OF JULY 1, WE CLOSED 1486, ALREADY FOR THIS YEAR.

I USED LAST YEAR'S NUMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS BEING PAID OUT YET. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, WE ARE AT 567. WHICH IS A TOTAL YOU HAVE NOT HAD TO PAY PRIVATE ATTORNEYS JUST SINCE WE STARTED TWO YEARS AGO, 1.2 MILLION. IF YOU WILL RECALL WHEN I WAS HERE WITH YOU THREE YEARS AGO TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT SORT OF BANKING THE SAVINGS TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU WOULD'VE HAD TO PAY IF WE WERE NOT HERE.

>> SO IF I COULD, YOUR HONOR. I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

GO BACK TO YOUR CHART. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS REALLY CLOSELY AND YOU AND I HAVE MET AND I'M HOPING THIS PROGRAM WORKS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT COSTING MONEY, IT'S FULLY FUNDED BY A GRANT, OTHER THAN WE FURNISH YOU SOME OFFICE SPACE, BUT WHAT MIGHT BE SKEWING THE NUMBERS, BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND STARTED LOOKING AT HIM HE COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS WE WERE HAVING AND INITIALLY IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN THE PROGRAM STARTED, THE NUMBERS WENT DOWN SOMEWHAT, NOW THEY ARE BEGINNING TO DRIFT UP A LITTLE BIT AND I WONDER IF SOME OF THAT AS A RESULT OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE SHORTHANDED IN THE DAS OFFICE SO WE HAVE TO DEPEND ON HIRING OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS WHERE ORDINARILY WE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD TO DO THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER YET, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE.

>> THE DAS DON'T DO ANYTHING ON THE COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS.

>> THERE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION, THEY ARE PROSECUTORS,

WE ARE THE DEFENDERS. >> I DID NOT SAY THAT CORRECTLY.

SO, THE COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS THAT YOU WOULD

NORMALLY REPLACE. >> THE PRIVATE PRACTICE YES.

>> THE JUDGES APPOINT AN ATTORNEY TO REPRESENT SOMEBODY AND IF THEY UTILIZE YOUR DEPARTMENT AND DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE SAVINGS COMES IN.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY THE NUMBERS OF COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS HAS BEGUN TO DRIFT UP.

IS IT THE FACT THEY ARE TRYING DIFFERENT CASES AND THEY THINK THEY REQUIRE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ATTORNEYS? THAT'S HOW I MEANT TO SAY IT. THEY ARE USING A DIFFERENT KIND OF ATTORNEY FROM WHAT YOU ARE ABLE TO FURNISH FOR THESE

PARTICULAR CASES? >> YOU MEAN THE CASES PAID ARE

GOING UP? >> MAYBE MORE COMPLEX CASES OR

SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. >> USING THE OVERALL FEES ARE GOING UP, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT HE'S TRYING TO ASK.

WHY? >> WHY IS EVERYTHING GOING UP? CRIME, YOU HEARD FROM THE DAS OFFICE INCREASES.

[04:45:03]

IT TALKED ABOUT POVERTY WHEN YOU I HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF POVERTY YOU HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF CRIME.

>> A TENURE GRANT? >> IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SIX AND IT'S GOING TO BE SEVEN BECAUSE WE STRETCHED THE FIRST TWO INTO THREE SO IT WOULD BE YEAR EIGHT.

>> I GUESS TO FAIRLY EVALUATE WE REALLY NEED A COUPLE MORE YEARS WORTH OF DATA BUT TWO THINGS I WOULD LOOK AT THAT THIS SHOULD IMPACT ARE THE COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS AND A GENERAL POPULATION. BOTH OF THOSE HAVE TRENDED BACK

UP. >> THIS IS NOT FULLY FUNDED BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT HERE WHEN WE DID THIS OUR CHUNK THIS YEAR

IS 365,000. >> THE FIRST TWO YEARS WERE

PAID. >> 2040 6080.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TWO MORE YEARS TO ANALYZE.

>> THEN I THINK THAT IS A KEY ISSUE FOR ME.

I HAVE BEEN SENDING US THE JAIL POPULATION NUMBERS AND THEY ARE NOT DECREASING. WE HAVE NOW ADDED ADDITIONAL PROSECUTOR AND I REALLY HOPE, I WAS HOPING THE PROGRAM WOULD WORK BECAUSE THIS IS UTILIZED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

FOR US THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING AS YOU SAY AND THE NUMBERS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS ARE BEGINNING

TO TREND BACKUP. >> I AGREE WITH YOU.

I WILL POINT OUT WE HAVE NOT HAD TO OUTSOURCE THE JAIL YET.

I KNOW HE GETS DANGEROUSLY CLOSE EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT OUR STAFF IS AT THE JAIL EVERY SINGLE DAY.

>> I DON'T DOUBT YOU ARE MAKING A STAB AT THIS.

>> GO BACK TO THE PAGE BEFORE. 1400 CASES I BELIEVE YOU HAVE CLEARED? 1426.

HOW MANY CASES WERE TRIED AND CLEARED?

>> THAT'S THE NUMBER IN THE SECOND OR THIRD COLUMN.

WE JUST DO NOT HAVE THAT FOR 25 BECAUSE THE YEAR IS NOT OVER, GRAYSON MAY BE ABLE TO TABULATE.

>> I WAS GOING TO ADD A COUPLE THINGS.

I WOULD LOVE MORE TIME TO ANALYZE MORE YEARS IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE'RE SAVING $300,000 AT THIS TIME, HOWEVER THERE'S TWO MORE MONTHS, 2 1/2 MORE MONTHS TO GO, LAST YEAR WE HAD PAID, YES BY THE END OF JULY BY THE END OF JULY 1 .882 NOW WE ARE PAID 1.553 SO THERE IS SAVINGS THERE.

>> THAT FACTORS IN THE COST WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE GRANT?

>> NO THAT IS JUST WHAT THE DISTRICT COURTS PAID OUT SO YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT DISTRICT COURTS THAT WITH THE DISTRICT COURTS PAID OUT. THE OTHER THING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IS WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED PERFECT APPS SO THE ATTORNEY FEE VOUCHERS ARE NO LONGER PAPER SO WE ARE SPEEDING THROUGH THEM PROCESSING THEM QUICKER SO THAT MEANS INSTEAD OF THINGS TRAILING FOR MONTHS WE ARE GETTING THEM DONE 3 TO 5 DAYS AFTER WE RECEIVE THEM SO THAT COULD BE A FACTOR IN THIS.

I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER. >> COMMISSIONER MAREZ PULLED ME ASIDE FOR QUESTION. MAYBE WE SHOULD GET YOU TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF ANALYSIS ON WHAT DOES THIS COST AND IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT SHOWS A MORE DETAILED I MEAN I THINK IT IS A GREAT THING WHEN YOU STARTED THIS AND I MET WITH YOU SEVERAL TIMES, SEEING THE CASES, I THINK HAVING SOMEONE THERE GOING TO THE GYM EVERY DAY MEETING WITH PEOPLE NOT JUST SOMEONE GETTING ASSIGNED AND NOT MEETING OUGHT TO BE A DEPARTMENT THEY DO EVERY DAY A COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY COMES FROM HERE AND WALKS OVER AND DOES THAT BUT WE NEED THE DATA. IF WE CAN GET AT LEAST TWO OFFICES AND YOU MAY HAVE TO MEET WITH THEM AND EMILY UPSTAIRS OR SOMETHING TO SEE THE CASES AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT PROVES.

>> DO YOU TAKE JUST DISTRICT COURT CASES

[04:50:02]

>> WE TAKE MISDEMEANORS AND FELONIES.

>> DID YOU ADD THAT? >> I DID NOT.

>> GRAYSON I WOULD ASK YOU NOT TO SHOOT IN THE DARK.

WE HAVE HAD THAT PROBLEM IN THE PAST.

IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER YOU ARE SURE OF THAT GREAT BUT DON'T SPIT IT OUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW. I WOULD RATHER WAIT AND GET A BETTER NUMBER LATER BECAUSE I WILL BE WAY MAD IF YOU'RE WAY OFF ON THE NUMBERS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN THAT PATH THAT WE HAD WITH THE PAST AUDITOR SO IF YOU KNOW YOUR NUMBERS, GREAT BUT DON'T JUST THROW IT OUT IN THIS YOU DARN SURE KNOW THAT A TRY BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S THE NUMBER I GET IN MY HEAD THEN YOU TELL ME.

>> THEY ARE CURSORY BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT HIS BALLPARK.

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE COUNTY COURTS.

JUST DISTRICT COURTS I WILL SEND YOU A FULL REPORT.

>> OKAY GREAT. >> I AGREE.

>> LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REST OF 25, BASED ON THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF CASES WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CLOSE PER MONTH, WE'RE ON TRACK TO REACH 1980 BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR WHICH WOULD RAISE SAVE VALUE TO 756,000, FOR 25.

SO 2026 DOWN AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE AT THE SAME RATE WHERE POTENTIAL TO CLEAR MORE THAN 2500 CASES BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN FULLY STAFFED THIS ENTIRE YEAR SO THE AMOUNT CLOSED IS BEING DONE WITH 2/3 THE NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AND WE DO EXPECT THREE NEW LAWYERS TO START WITHIN THE

NEXT MONTH. >> HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

FULLY STAFFED BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU ARE LIMITED TO HOW MANY CASES YOU CAN TAKE WHAT IS YOUR FULL POTENTIAL?

>> STAFF OR? >> STAFF HOW MANY CASES?

>> TI D.C. HAS DONE A STUDY AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, DIVIDED BY MISDEMEANOR AND FELONY CASES.

WE DO A MIXTURE SO IT'S MORE OF A HYBRID AND THIS NUMBER I WOULD SAY IS PROBABLY THE MOST WE SHOULD CLOSE AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REACH THE NUMBERS BASED ON THE ECONOMY OF SCALE WITH STAFF, THE SUPPORT STAFF WE HAVE AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE PROXIMITY. BEING RIGHT HERE MAKES IT EASIER TO GET TO COURT, TO GET TO THE JAIL SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO MORE THAN MOST COULD IN THAT SPAN OF A YEAR. IN ADDITION TO THE CASE CLOSURES, OTHER GOALS WE HAVE ARE TO EXPAND DATA COLLECTION THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I AGREE.

WE HAVE A CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT HELPS US TRACK NOT ONLY IN THE CASES BUT THE NUMBERS AND OUTCOMES AND ALL OF THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO WORK MORE WITH THAT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE RESULTS ARE AND OF COURSE MAXIMIZE THE EFFECTIVE CLIENT CARE WE ARE PROVIDING AND TO CONTINUE SOME SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS WHICH WILL TALK ABOUT WHEN A SECOND.

FOR THE GRANT UPDATE THIS WAS INTENDED TO HAVE THE FIRST TWO YEARS FULLY FUNDED, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO EXTEND THAT MONEY THROUGH THE THIRD YEAR SO YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE ARE IN EVEN THOUGH LAST YEAR WE THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE $80,000, BUT LOSING STAFF IS NOT A GREAT THING BUT IT DID PUSHOFF YOUR CONTRIBUTION. THE FOUR YEARS STEP DOWN GRANT BEGINS THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR AND AGAIN MAXIMUM CONTRIBUTION BASED ON WHATEVER WE SPEND BECAUSE IT IS REIMBURSEMENT MAXIMUM WOULD BE 355,956, IF WE SPEND THE WHOLE 1,779,000.

DOWN AT THE BOTTOM FROM THE STATEMENT OF THE GRANT AWARD THIS IS WHAT TI D.C. PROVIDED AND THE BREAKDOWN IN THE BUDGET AMOUNTS THEY GAVE ME SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS FOLLOWING THE LAST THREE YEARS. OVER TO THE RIGHT AGAIN IS A EXCERPT FROM THE STATEMENT OF GRANT AWARD WHICH SPELLS OUT THE FORMAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THE TWO YEARS AND FOUR YEARS

STEP DOWN. >> 355 DOES THAT INCLUDE I GUESS YOU CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE COURT DECIDES TO GIVE PAY INCREASES OR INCREASE LAWYER WHATEVER THAN THAT WOULD BE

MORE THAN THAT. >> NEXT IS THIS GOES TO YOUR

[04:55:04]

THE TIDC ANTICIPATED THE OFFICE COULD CLOSE 2850 CASES PER YEAR BUT THAT WAS WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT OUR OFFICE BE TWICE THE SIZE THAT IT IS. SO WITH HALF THE ALLOTTED NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PRODUCE AT A LEVEL THAT WILL GET US PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING. NEXT IS INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS FOR THE THINGS YOU CANNOT REALLY PUT A NUMBER TWO, TO YOUR POINT. THIS IS VALUE I CANNOT PUT IN A CHART THAT IT IS REALLY THERE. FIRST OF ALL BEING IN THIS UNIQUE POSITION IN THE COURTHOUSE, ALMOST IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENS ALMOST AT THE TABLE I CAN SEE THE SYSTEM UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL FROM A DEFENSE PERSPECTIVE.

YOU ALREADY HAVE PROSECUTION IN THE BUILDING, YOU HAVE THE JUDGES, ALL THE PLAYERS ARE HERE EXCEPT FOR THE DEFENSE BAR, WE COME ONE AT A TIME TO HANDLE CASES EXCEPT WITH THIS FORMAT AND THE FORMAT OF PUBLIC DEFENDERS OFFICE IS STRUCTURALLY DESIGNED TO DIG DEEPER, THE PROXIMITY BEING HERE MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE. ALSO HAVING SUPPORT STAFF AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO MANAGE OUR DOCKETS. WE ARE NOT DOING IT ALL ALONE AS I DID WHEN I WAS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.

THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE CREATED WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS FOSTERS COLLABORATION WE USE FOR IMPROVING THE SYSTEMS AND THE TRAINING AND EDUCATION THAT HAS BEEN FUNDED BY TIDC SO FAR HAS TRULY ELEVATED OUR LEGAL PROFICIENCY ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMPLEX MENTAL HEALTH LAW AND HAS EXPOSED US TO INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE USING IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND WE HAVE CONSIDERED AND IMPLEMENTED SOME OF THOSE HERE. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE CASE STUDIES. FIRST IS LENNY THIS IS NOT HIS REAL NAME AND I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU LENNY'S STORY TO SHOW YOU THAT RELATIONSHIPS, EDUCATION AND TIME ARE WHAT WOULD'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE CASE HAD WE BEEN ON THE CASE FROM THE GET-GO. SO, TO BEGIN WITH LENNY WAS OKAY THE FIRST ONE DISAPPEARED. SO SORRY.

I REMEMBER, HE WAS IN JAIL FOR ABOUT 371 DAYS.

HE WAS ARRESTED, POTENTIAL, COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY THE NEXT DAY AND THAT ATTORNEY INITIATED COMPETENCY PROCEEDINGS PRETTY QUICKLY. WITHIN A MONTH OR TWO OF MEETING LENNY BASICALLY SAYING HE IS NOT LEGALLY COMPETENT, WE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CASE, WHAT THAT DOES IS IT PUTS A STAY ON THE PROCEEDINGS. IF YOU CANNOT HAVE SOMEONE GO TO TRIAL NOT COMPETENT. THE NEXT STEP IS TO HAVE EVALUATION BY A DOCTOR TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE IS LEGALLY COMPETENT OR NOT. AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN IN LENNY'S CASE FOR WHATEVER REASON.

HE WAITED IN YOUR JAIL AND EVENTUALLY THE LAWYER HAD HIM PLEAD GUILTY. SO, HE IS PUT ON PROBATION WITH THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT, REFERRING HIM BECAUSE HE HAD SOME CLEAR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND, THEIR EVALUATION OF LENNY REVEALED HE WAS INTELLECTUALLY DISABLED SINCE BIRTH AND HAD A IQ OF 48, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET HIS RECORDS BACK TO WHEN HE WAS TWO YEARS OLD. SO MH ID AND PROBATION REACHED OUT TO MYSELF AND THE DAS OFFICE AND SAID WE DON'T THINK THIS MAN BELONGS ON PROBATION. THIS IS NOT WORKING.

SO ESSENTIALLY TO FAST-FORWARD OUR OFFICE GOT APPOINTED AND WE WENT TO COURT AND BEGAN THE RESEARCH ON PROCESS AND EVENTUALLY WE WERE ABLE TO UNDO THE PLEA WHICH IS NOT AN EASY THING. I DON'T MEAN TO TRIVIALIZE THAT BUT WE UNDID THE PLEA AND LENNY STAYED IN CONTACT, THEY HOOKED HIM UP WITH SERVICES AND HE IS LIVING IN A GROUP HOME WHERE HE SHOULD BE. SO IF YOU DO THE MATH ON THE 371 DAYS IN JAIL BEFORE THE PLEA WITH ALL THE ATTORNEYS FEES YOU PAID TO THE ATTORNEY THAT IS A SAVINGS WE CAN AVOID GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE KNOW THE MENTAL HEALTH LAWS BETTER.

THERE IT IS, IT POPPED UP, OKAY. THE NEXT ONE.

I GUESS I DID SOME TRANSITIONS AND DID NOT REALIZE.

[05:00:02]

CHARLIE WAS ARRESTED AND ATTORNEY APPOINTED PRETTY QUICKLY. THE FORMAL MISDEMEANOR CHARGES WERE FILED 90 DAYS LATER WITH 436 DAYS AFTER HIS ARREST, HIS ATTORNEY INITIATED COMPETENCY PROCEEDINGS.

I WANT TO POINT OUT HE WAS CHARGED WITH A MISDEMEANOR AND THE MAXIMUM SENTENCE IS ONE YEAR IN JAIL.

SO HE HAD ALREADY MAXED OUT, BY THE TIME PROCEEDINGS WERE BEGUN, 29 DAYS AFTER THE PROCEEDINGS WERE INITIATED, THE CASE WAS DISMISSED AND CHARLIE WAS RELEASED WITH NO PLAN.

18 DAYS LATER, HE WAS ARRESTED AGAIN, ATTORNEY APPOINTED, THIS TIME A FELONY. SO YOU UNDERSTAND, HE WENT INTO A BUILDING WITHOUT PERMISSION BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE OWNED THE BUILDING SO IT WAS BURGLARY OF A BUILDING.

THE FORMAL CHARGES IN THAT CASE WERE FILED 80 DAYS LATER AND THAT ATTORNEY INITIATED COMPETENCY PROCEEDINGS QUICKER THAN THE FIRST ONE. THIS TIME HE WAITED 491 DAYS BEFORE BEING TRANSFERRED TO A STATE HOSPITAL FOR THE COMPETENCY RESTORATION SERVICES WHICH IS THE NORMAL PROCEDURE.

HE GOES TO THE HOSPITAL, THERE 134 DAYS AND DOCTORS CONCLUDE HE IS NOT RESTORED, THIS IS A PERMANENT DEGENERATIVE BRAIN PROBLEMS SIMILAR TO DEMENTIA WHICH IS WHY HE THOUGHT HE OWNED THE BUILDING AND HE DOES NOT BELONG IN JAIL.

HE IS NOT A RISK. SO THEY RECOMMENDED SENDING THEM BACK TO NUECES COUNTY. HE GETS BACK TO NUECES COUNTY AND AGAIN HE SITS IN JAIL 406 DAYS AND THIS TIME, LET'S SEE.

AGAIN, EVENTUALLY WITH NO PLAN AND NO SERVICES CONNECTED TO HIM. SO, 41 DAYS LATER HE HAD BEEN FREE, AND THEN ARRESTED FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS FOR SITTING ON THE BENCH OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. OR THE NEXT MONTH HE WAS ARRESTED 11 TIMES FOR THE SAME THING.

THE REASON IT WAS 11 TIMES, HE WAS GIVEN PR BONDS BECAUSE THE JAIL RECOGNIZED HE WAS NOT AN ISSUE.

HE DID NOT NEED TO BE IN THE JAIL AND THE DAS OFFICE KNEW THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PROSECUTE HIM FOR THE CRIMINAL TRESPASS. AS SOON AS HE GOT BACK TO THE BENCH CC PD WOULD DRIVE BY AND PICK THEM UP AND PUT HIM BACK IN. MUCH LIKE A GERBIL WHEEL FOR YOU FEEL YOU CANNOT GET OFF SO THIS IS WHEN OUR OFFICE GOT APPOINTED AND GOT APPOINTED TO THE BEGINNING OF THESE 11 ARRESTS I BELIEVE. WE SAW THIS WAS A PROBLEM, BUT HE WAS OUT OF JAIL SOMETIMES BEFORE WE COULD EVEN MEET HIM.

'S WE EVENTUALLY THERE WAS ONE TIME WHERE HE STAYED ABOUT NINE DAYS, SO WE GOT TO HIM AND REALIZED, YOU KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING AMISS AND DID THE RESEARCH INTO HIS PRIOR CASES.

SO THEN I GO TO THE COC HERE AND LET ME EXPLAIN REAL QUICK.

CONTINUITY OF CARE IS IN THE HEALTH & SAFETY CODE AND IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO VISIT WITH STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT OUR CLIENTS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT HIPAA OR CONFIDENTIALITY.

I HAVE A COC MEETING AT THE JAIL EVERY MONTH WITH MHID, THE JAIL ADMIN, THE SHERIFF IS USUALLY THERE TOO AND THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, WEXFORD AND HEALTHCARE AT THE JAIL.

WE SIT THERE EVERY MONTH AND GO THROUGH PROBLEM CASES TO SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH FOR SOLUTION.

MY CLIENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OUR OFFICE CLIENTS, BUT SOMETIMES STAKEHOLDERS ASKED ME QUESTIONS LIKE WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE? SO WE GOT TO TALKING ABOUT CHARLIE AND PUT ALL OF OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND REALIZED WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE SHOULD NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS HE GOT APPROVED FOR A GRANT THAT MHID HAS FOR LONG-ACTING MEDICATION WHICH WOULD HELP THEM REMAIN STABLE. IT DOES NOT CURE HIS BRAIN INJURY, BUT IT HELPS HIM REMAIN STABLE SO HE WAS ADMINISTERED MEDICATION WHILE IN JAIL AND WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN FOR HIM AND HE WAS RELEASED AFTER 48 DAYS AND WENT TO PATHWAYS, A RESPITE

[05:05:01]

CONTINUITY OF CARE MEETINGS THAT I HAVE HAD EVERY MOTHER NEXT DOOR HAVE BEEN SO REVEALING.

THE FIRST INTERESTING THING WAS WE REALIZED WE ALL SPOKE A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. MENTAL HEALTH FOLKS HAVE THEIR OWN ACRONYMS AND THEY TALK IN DIFFERENT TERMS FROM THEM JAIL MEDICAL FOLKS SO WE TAUGHT EACH OTHER THESE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AND WE ARE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER BETTER, NOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE ROLES THAT WE EACH PLAY.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS AND MISS DORSEY WAS PART OF THIS CREATION. I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO USE IT YET, BUT WE HAVE LEARNED ABOUT A TOOL CALLED COURT ORDERED MEDICATION. THIS SPECIFICALLY WAS SOMETHING I LEARNED ABOUT AT A TRAINING THAT I NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE.

I CAME BACK AND TALK TO THE JUDGE AND SHE SAID LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING. SHE HAD RECEIVED A BILL FROM THE STATE HOSPITAL IN VERNON, TEXAS WHERE ONE OF OUR NOT OUR CLIENTS, BUT NUECES COUNTY CLIENTS WAS RECEIVING COMPETENCY RESTORATION SERVICES. THAT HOSPITAL WAS TRYING TO GIVE THE CLIENT MEDICINE BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST STEP IN COMPETENCY RESTORATION AND THE CLIENT REFUSED SO THE LAW ALLOWS A COURT TO ORDER THE MEDICINE TO BE FORCED, IF NECESSARY BUT IT COMPELS THE PERSON, THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT.

IF IT IS DONE AT THE STATE HOSPITAL THEN THEY CAN BILL THE COUNTY OF ORIGIN FOR VARIOUS FEES.

FOR THE MEDICINE, FOR THE ATTORNEY APPOINTED SO THE JUDGE'S QUESTION WAS IF WE PAY AN ATTORNEY IN VERNON, TEXAS WHY DON'T WE DO THAT HERE? I SAID EXACTLY I JUST LEARNED WE COULD BE DOING THIS HERE AT MY TRAINING AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE A CLIENT, I HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM NOW IN THE JAIL, THAT THEY ARE SO PSYCHOTIC I COULD NOT COMMUNICATE WITH THEM BUT THEY ARE SO PSYCHOTIC THEY WILL NOT AGREE TO TAKE MEDICINE, THEY'RE GOING TO SIT THERE WAITING ON A STATE HOSPITAL BED 400 SOME ODD DAYS BECAUSE OF THAT BE THE LAW ALLOWS US TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR THE COMPELLED MEDICINE WHICH WILL STABILIZE THEM QUICKER AND THEN THEY CAN EVEN PARTICIPATE IN THE JAIL BASED RESTORATION SERVICES AND POSSIBLY NEVER GO TO THE STATE HOSPITAL.

SO WE HAVE SEEN SOME SUCCESS WITH GEL-BASED COMPETENCY AND IT ONLY WORKS IF PEOPLE AGREE TO THE MEDICINE, BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW HOW TO DO THE COURT ORDERED MEDS, WE TOOK A FIELD TRIP TO GALVESTON TO SEE HOW THEY DO THIS PROCESS AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WILL BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

WE ARE WAITING ON THE DOCTOR TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE AND I ACTUALLY WON'T BE PART OF THE PROCESS BUT JENNY'S OFFICE COULD BE AND IT WILL HELP TO CLEAR OUT SOME OF THESE FOLKS THAT ARE BASICALLY LIVING THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE WAITING ON A STATE BAD. THE LAST THING ON THIS IS THE COMPETENCY DOCKET AND I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

AGAIN, AT A TRAINING I LEARNED THAT WHAT WE DO RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE THE EIGHT DISTRICT COURTS THAT ALL HAVE CASES THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FOUND INCOMPETENT AND THERE WAITING ON A BED AND HAVE COME BACK LIKE CHARLIE AND NOBODY KNOWS WHAT TO DO WHEN THEY GET BACK. WELL, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE CASES ARE COMMON, BUT NOT COMMON ENOUGH FOR MOST LAWYERS AND JUDGES AND THE JUDGE STAFF TO BECOME PROFICIENT IN HOW TO PROCESS THESE CASES. SO, I SUGGESTED WITH MY TEAM, CENTRALIZING ALL OF THE COMPETENCY CASES AND ONE QUART AND JUDGE MENTAL HEALTH DOCKET AND ALL THE JUDGES REALLY SENSUALLY, IT IS, THEY WILL ALLOW HIM TO OVERSEE ANY CASE THAT GOES THROUGH THE COMPETENCY PROCEEDINGS.

WE HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO HANDLE OTHER CASES SO IF A COURT APPOINTED LAWYER HAS ONE AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DRAW THE CAN, THEY WILL BE TIED -- PAID FOR THE TIME THEY ALREADY SPENT

[05:10:03]

THAT SHOULD START IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.

>> YOU HAVE ABOUT THREE MINUTES.

>> WE ARE AT THE BUDGET NOW, THIS IS THE SOUTHERLY QUESTION COMMISSIONER CHESNEY ASKED ABOUT.

THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE ORIGINAL TIDC BREAKDOWN OF HOW THE TOTAL BUDGET WOULD BE SUBDIVIDED, THE TOTAL NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM. ON THE RIGHT IS WHERE I HAVE MADE SOME INTERNAL CHANGES. NOT THE TOP LINE, BUT MOVING MORE MONEY INTO SALARY SO I CAN ABSORB ANY SORT OF INCREASE THAT THE COURT ENDS UP VOTING FOR WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK TIDC FOR MORE MONEY, TIDC IS OKAY WITH THIS.

I HAVE TALKED WITH DAN REGULARLY AND THEY SUPPORT HIGHER SALARIES SO OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF US MOVING THINGS AROUND TO HELP WITH THAT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THERE.

ALSO, THE SUBJECT MATTER THEY HAVE DIVIDED THINGS INTO ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE COUNTY.

I CAN EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU AT ANOTHER TIME IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONTRACT SERVICE, THE 30,000 INCLUDES ALL THOSE THINGS UNDER IT WHEREAS THE COUNTY HAS THOSE THINGS DIVIDED INTO SEPARATE CATEGORIES. AND THEN I WILL SHOW YOU THAT TIDC DID A SALARY STUDY LAST YEAR, THEY COMPLETED IT AND THIS IS WHERE WE FALL CURRENTLY, IN THE STATEWIDE SURVEY THAT THEY CONDUCTED. WE ARE THE 50TH PERCENTILE AND BELOW. I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE TRIAL DEFENDERS, THE SOCIAL SERVICE PERSONNEL WE HAVE, INVESTIGATOR AND OUR ADMIN. WHAT TIDC RECOMMENDS IS THAT WE BE BETWEEN 50TH AND 75TH IS THAT WE BE BETWEEN 50TH AND 75TH PERCENTILE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PRESUMPTIVELY APPROVED AS REASONABLE. WHAT THAT MEANS, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IF YOU WILL GAVE FIVE STEP INCREASE TO EVERY POSITION AND I CANNOT ABSORB THAT, THEN TIDC WOULD PRESUMPTIVELY IMPROVE INCREASE IN GRANT FUNDING TO HELP WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE RETAIN OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES AND WE ARE ABLE TO RECRUIT WITH COMPETITIVE SALARIES.

SO WHAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING IS LOOKING BETWEEN THE 50TH AND 75TH AND 75TH PERCENTILE AND BECAUSE OF THAT I DID WORK UP DIFFERENT SCENARIOS BASED ON WHAT YOU ALL MAY CONSIDER AND WE CAN ABSORB AN INCREASE, INCLUDING WITH THE DA OFFICE RECOMMENDED. I WOULD HAVE TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAINING MONEY, BUT I AM OKAY WITH THAT, OTHERWISE WE CAN DO THE ONE STEP INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD.

>> WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN OUR PACKETS.

>> THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE. >> I KNOW WE STARTED LATE AND ADDED PEOPLE IN THEM MIDDLE OF IT SO THIS IS ON US AND NOT YOUR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WE APPRECIATE IT. CRYSTAL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE UP NEXT. SO.

>> MAY WE BE EXCUSED YOUR HONOR?

>> YOU ARE DONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> I DON'T THINK ANYTHING EXCUSES YOU, BUT YOU CAN LEAVE.

>> GOOD POINT, COMMISSIONER.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL DAY SO

TRY TO GET OUR ATTENTION. >> THIS ONE PAGE YES I HAVE ONE PAGE FOR YOUR. I KNOW I SEND MONTHLY STATS TO YOU AND THE JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, GOOD AFTERNOON.

I WILL MAKE THIS REALLY QUICK. FOR THE LAW LIBRARY $5000 INCREASE AS YOU WILL SEE STATISTICS CIRCULATION AT THE LAW LIBRARY HAS INCREASED FROM 1400 ITEMS BORROWED SO INCREASE IN OUR LAW LIBRARY FOR BOOKS. AND THEN, FOR OUR COUNTY LIBRARY. FOR SECURITY WE WANT TO INCREASE THAT TO 3500, INCREASED TO 30,000 OR TWO PROGRAMMING STATISTICS THAT YOU CAN SEE AND IF YOU SAW OUR

[05:15:03]

I SENT THAT IN YOUR EMAIL SOFTLY YOU SEE THAT IN IF NOT I CAN GET THAT TO YOU ON PAPER YOU CAN SEE ON THE STATS YOU HAVE APRIL AND JUNE, SO THE INCREASE IN THAT.

YOU'LL SEE THOSE STATISTICS ARE FROM JULY 18 I BELIEVE, YOU WILL SEE THOSE STATISTICS AND THE SUMMER READING CHALLENGE ON THERE AS WELL. HOW MANY PEOPLE COME TO THE LIBRARY, 25,000, TOTAL TO ALL BRANCHES 30,000.

I AM REQUESTING 3500 FOR SECURITY AND THAT IS IT, ALL THE OTHERS ARE BALANCING OUT DIFFERENT KEY CODES.

>> NO CHANGES IN SALARY? >> I HAVE RECLASSIFICATION ON TITLES SO IT IS WITH NO I LIKE THAT, 2156 OUTSIDE

>> THAT INCLUDES KINGSVILLE, MATHIS, PORTLAND, INGLESIDE AND THAT IS AS FAR IT WILL GO. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE HOMESCHOOL FAMILIES THAT USE OUR FACILITY.

ALSO PEOPLE WHO COME INTO USE NUECES COUNTY BECAUSE I GUESS AS YOU CAN SAY THAT AREA IS THE CROSSROADS AREA WITHIN ROBSTOWN AND AS IT'S GROWING MORE, DRISCOLL, COURSE THAT AREA TESLA WILL SEE A LOT OF IS COMING IN

>> I KNOW ROBSTOWN IS TRYING TO ENGAGE MORE WITH A SUMMER PROGRAM. HOW BIG OF AN IMPACT HAS THAT HAD ON YOU, YOU SEE DECREASE OR COLLECTIVE INCREASE FOR EVERYONE? I KNOW BEFORE THEY DID NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A SUMMER PROGRAM AT SOME POINT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THIS BECOME MORE ROBUST.

>> DIFFERENT DISTRICTS DO THE SUMMER READING CHALLENGE.

I KNOW SCHOOL LIBRARIANS, WE ARE CATERING TO EVERYBODY, WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN ROBSTOWN, AS FAR AS ALSO POURED ARANSAS THAT WILL COME OUT, HOMESCHOOL FAMILIES INCREASING 4 AND ALONG 624 A LOT OF HOMESCHOOL MILLION INCREASE IN ROBSTOWN WE DO A GOOD COLLABORATION INVOLVING OUR PARKS, THE PARKS FROM PRECINCT 2 , TO PRECINCT 3 AND SOMETIMES WE WILL GO OUT TO HAZEL BASE MORRISON'S WE WILL DO STORYTIME SINCE WE WILL DO OUTREACH THAT'S MAINLY OUR POSITION WE THINK, WE THANK ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE COUNTY DOES ESPECIALLY THE 250TH AMERICAN WE'RE DOING A LOT OF EDUCATING THE COUNTY, SCHOOL DISTRICTS WITH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT DOES WE SHOWCASE THE LIBRARY AND DIFFERENT COUNTY DEPARTMENTS TO SHARE, COUNTY AUDITOR, COUNTY CLERKS OFFICE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SHOWCASE THIS COMING YEAR TO EDUCATE THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ESPECIALLY RUN ROBSTOWN AND

USING THE STORY LOCKED TRAILS? >> I DO HAVE THE NUMBER, I HAVE IT ON ANOTHER STATUTE. DUE TO THE BARBARA BUSH HOUSTON LITERACY FOUNDATION WE HAVE BEEN KEEPING COUNT AND I PROVIDE STATS TO THEM AND I CAN PROVIDE STATS TO YOUR.

BUT ALSO DOING IT AT THE SUNRISE STORY SO IT IS A QR CODE PEOPLE CAN GO SEE BUT WE HAVE SEEN INCREASE AT BOTH PARKS

, I WOULD SAY WALKING TRAILS. >> A NICE LITTLE PARK BEING

BUILT BY AS WELL. >> YES THAT'S WHY WE SEE THE INCREASE. WE SEE THE OIL BELT USING THE FACILITY SO THAT'S VERY GOOD. IT ATTRACTS EVERYONE TO KNOW ABOUT THE FACILITY. THEIR LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE LIBRARY WHICH WE DO EDUCATE AND BEGET GREAT COMPLIMENTS FROM

[05:20:01]

AND INCREASING THE EDUCATION. >> SOUNDS LIKE FUN.

CAN WE DO THAT INSTEAD OF A BUDGET WORKSHOP TOMORROW?

>> YOU CAN JOIN ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WE

APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. >>

ALMOST TO THE END OF THE DAY. >> YES MA'AM, GOOD AFTERNOON JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.

THE >> OUR BOYS ARE OUT, DOING BURIALS, MAINTAINING THE CEMETERY RIGHT IN THE ALLOW THAT -- THAT IS A GOOD POSITIVE THING.

WE ARE WORKING ON TOP OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY THAT COMES FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS THROUGH THE FORM OF THE CONTRACT AND BUDGET. ANY BIG ITEMS, LIKE THE EXPANSION PROJECT WE DID WAS $10 MILLION THAT OUTSIDE THE FUNDING PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY AND WE ARE WORKING TO DO A ROADWAY PROJECT IS UP IN KITCHEN EXPENSE.

$1000 -- THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE CURTAILED SINCE WE DID THE MERGER, WE HAVE HAD ONE INSTANCE WHERE THEY DO NOT COME THROUGH AND THE STATE WOULD NOT REIMBURSE BUT WE WANT TO HAVE INSURANCE AND MAKE SURE WE ARE BUDGET TO COVER THOSE EXPENSES IF THEY COME BUT WE REDUCED THAT COMPLETELY.

>> BEFORE IT WAS HAPPENING A LOT.

WE WERE STUCK WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT.

>> YES MA'AM. >> LIKE YOU SAID WE IN KITCHEN AND. PUNISHMENTS AND UTILITY UNDER THE VETERANS GRANT. IF THERE IS UTILITY WE COVER OR PAY FOR IN THE STATE DOES NOT WANT TO COVER FOR WHATEVER REASON AT LEAST WE HAVE THE INSURANCE IN THE BUDGET.

ASKING $1000. YES MA'AM.

WE DID OF COURSE ADD THE PICKUP TRUCK DONATED BIKE -- BY MIKE SHAW ANOTHER DONOR THAT WISHES TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.

WE HAD THE TOYOTA TUNDRA PICKUP TRUCK AND A 16 FOOT DOUBLE TANDEM TRAILER DONATED AND WE PURCHASED A 53 FOOT SEMITRUCK TRAILER WITH ARPA FUNDING THANKS TO COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND COMMISSIONER MAREZ FOR THE WREATHS ACROSS AMERICA CEREMONY. THOSE ARE NUECES COUNTY ITEMS

[05:25:01]

PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, SINCE THE MERGER WE DID INCORPORATE OR TRAIN SOCIAL SERVICE STAFF TO DO BETTER IN SERVICES NOW.

INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE WE KNOW HOW FOUR CERTIFIED AND ACCREDITED IN THE VETERANS AFFAIRS.

IN DOING SO IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE DOING CLAIMS THERE IS A SOFTWARE CALLED THAT PRO THAT WE USE TO THE CLAIMS, IT EXPEDITES AND GETS CLAIMS TO BE A DIGITALLY FASTER AND PROVIDE IS THE YES FOR ADDITIONAL $1000 $405 PER SOFTWARE PER LICENSE WE NEED FOUR. ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL $1000 SO EACH AND EVERY BSO CAN HAVE THE SOFTWARE.

OTHER SERVICES 5410, WE DID ASK FOR $2000 IN CASE THERE IS NONREIMBURSABLE. SO ANYTHING THAT THE GRANT DOES NOT COVER THE STATE MAY KICKBACK WE WANT TO HAVE INSURANCE FUND IN CASE ANYTHING IS NOT APPROVED BUT WE HAVE CURTAILED THAT 99% AND WE WILL CONTINUE DOING THAT BUT WE WANT TO HAVE INSURANCE IN THE BUDGET JUST IN CASE THIS POPS UP.

TRAVEL AND MILEAGE I ASKED FOR $1000 BECAUSE ALL OF OUR FOUR BSO'S WE NEED TO TRAVEL ONCE A YEAR AND WE HAVE TWO BSO'S TRAVELING NEXT WEEK TO DENTON, TEXAS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A CREDIT HOURS TO MAINTAIN ACCREDITATION MINIMUM OF 12 HOURS. A CONFERENCE IS HELD EVERY YEAR BY THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET ACCREDITATION HOURS. IN ORDER FOR ALL FOUR BSO'S TO GET ACCREDITATION DONE I ASKED FOR $1000 TO COVER THE TRAVEL EXPENSES. IN TOTAL $4000 IN THE BUDGET

ADDITIONAL 1000 THIS YEAR. >> THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE ONCE A YEAR YOU GET THAT? YOU TO SCHEDULE THE ONE

CONFERENCE? >> YES MA'AM.

YES MA'AM. SO AGAIN AND IT ALLOWS US TO NETWORK WITH THE OTHERS TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, SEE WHAT

WORKS SO IT DOES HELP. >> WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU CANNOT MAKE THE ONE CONFERENCE? YOU LOSE ACCREDITATION?

>> WE SCHEDULE WITH TDC IN AUSTIN AND THEY CAN DO ONE-ON- ONE BUT WE CAN KNOCK IT OUT AND GET THE HOURS WE NEED, IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR ALL OF US. SO THAT IS IT, ACTUALLY THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION.

I DID ASK FOR A POSITION AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR, IT WAS ARPA FUNDED CASEWORKER TWO POSITION.

I ASKED $44,116 TO RETAIN THAT POSITION IF POSSIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF MISS TERESA GAVE YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF MAN- HOURS BE PUT TOGETHER. IF NOT I CAN GIVE THIS TO YOU.

LET ME PASS THIS OUT ACTUALLY.

>> SO THIS POSITION DIDN'T AND I HELP FUND THAT POSITION? ONE TIME ONE YEAR ARPA FUNDED THAT'S WHAT THEY ASK IS ABOUT?

>> YES SIR WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS POSITION, KEEP THE WORKER. WE HAVE LEARNED BURIALS, WE HAVE HAD 122 CASES SINCE THE MERGER, EACH BURIAL TAKES 4.5 MAN-HOURS. MULTIPLY THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF MAN-HOURS IN BURIALS ALONE, I HAVE BROKEN THIS DOWN BASED ON THE PROGRAM BUT DO AND THE MAN- HOURS IT TAKES TO GET THIS DONE AND I WAS CONSERVATIVE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GIVE YOU THE CORRECT HOURS. IT IS A LOT OF WORK THAT COMES WITH THIS CASE AND I DID NOT REALIZE THE SOCIAL WORKERS DO BUT THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTIGATIVE WORK THEY DO BEHIND THE SCENES. THEY WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WITH THE EMMY OFFICE, OTHER AGENCIES TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS PERSON IS A POPPERS BURIAL OR IF NOT IF THEIR FAMILY WITH THE FAMILY, TO CONTACT THE FAMILY.

A LOT OF LISTINGS. THE BURIAL ALONE IS A BIG ASK WITH THE NUMBER OF STAFF ON BOARD NOW.

THE FUNDS FOR VETERAN ASSISTANCE GRANT IS THE GRANT

[05:30:05]

WE DID 340 CASES THIS YEAR, A TOTAL OF 1020 MAN-HOURS AND THAT'S CONSERVATIVE. CLAIMS, EVER SINCE WE EMERGED PRIOR TO THE MERGER WHEN I WAS DOING CLAIMS ALONE I WAS DOING MAYBE 50 TO 75 CLAIMS A MONTH, SINCE THE MERGER SINCE WE HAD VSO'S ACCREDITED WE HAVE INCREASED TO 250 PER MONTH.

WE HAVE DONE SOME DAMAGE IN HELPING VETERANS.

IT REALLY HELPS OUR VETERANS AND GETTING THEM THE HELP THEY NEED TO FIGHT THE VA FOR THESE BENEFITS AND THE BEAUTY OF THE CLAIMS WE DO NOT HELP THEM ON A ONE-TIME BASIS WE GET THEM A WIN AND THAT HELPS THEM FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE BECAUSE THEY GET A CHECK FROM THE VA EVERY MONTH FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE SO IT'S A HUGE THING WE ARE HELPING VETERANS WITH.

PHONE CALLS. WE GET SO MANY PHONE CALLS EVERY DAY. WE ARE PUT THAT ON YOU.

CEREMONIES, WE HAVE TAKEN ON A LOT MORE CEREMONIES.

WE HAVE THE FIELD OF HONOR, THE WREATHS WHICH YOU HELP US WITH.

FLAG FOR FLAG WE PARTNER AND THEN WE DO THE VETERANS ROUNDTABLE AND THEN WE DO THE RADIO SHOW EVERY WEEKEND.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF CEREMONY AND EVENTS WE DO WE ARE ACTIVELY OUT THERE. WORKING OUT TO PARTNER WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE PUBLIC LIBRARY IN ROBSTOWN.

THAT'S THE COASTAL PARKS, SO WE'RE GOING TO GET HELP OUT TO THE RURAL COMMUNITIES TO GET BETTER AND THE HELP THEY NEED SO WE ARE GOING TO USE THE FACILITIES, TRAVEL OUT AND DO CLAIMS AND SOCIAL WORK. WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH RTA SOMETHING WE CALLON THE GO WE WILL HAVE A VSO ON THE BUSES TO TRAVEL UP AND DOWN TO HELP VETERANS DO CLAIMS ON THE SPOT.

IT IS A NEW PROGRAM WE ARE CRATING TO REACH EVERY SINGLE VETERAN ACROSS THE COUNTY AND WE WILL BE LAUNCHING NEXT MONTH WE ARE VERY ACTIVE AND WE DO A LOT WITH THE VETERANS CEMETERY.

WE HAVE 12 WORKERS BUT A LOT OF US IN THE OFFICE TOUCH THE CEMETERY. I'M OUT THREE TIMES A WEEK INSPECTING THE CEMETERY AND WE HAVE PEOPLE PAYING BILLS, HANDLING PHONE CALLS, HELPING WITH EVERYTHING WE CAN.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS TOUCHING THE SOCIAL SERVICES SIDE AND VETERAN SERVICES SIDE AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE MERGING THE DEPARTMENT TOGETHER. WE HAVE KNOCKED IT OUT PRETTY WELL. I FEEL KEEPING THIS POSITION WOULD REALLY HELP US CONTINUE GOING.

IF POSSIBLE, $45,000 AND WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KEEP HER.

AND WE REALLY NEED HER. I WOULD NOT BE ASKING IF IT WASN'T A NEED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS FAR AS THE BUDGET. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN

ANSWER THOSE. >> MY WIFE AND I WENT TO A PRAYER SERVICE MONDAY NIGHT, BREAD HIS OF THE JURY YESTERDAY DURING COURT AND MY WIFE'S UNCLE PASSED AWAY, AND AS WELL AND THE CEREMONY WAS YESTERDAY. THE COURT ALLOWING SO I COULD ATTEND HIS SERVICE AND TO HAVE PROFESSIONAL COURTEOUS STAFF WHO WERE THERE, DIFFICULTY, AND THE HONORABLE SACRED GROUND THAT IT IS HAS ME CONVINCED THAT YOU ARE WORKING AS YOU CAN WITH YOUR BUDGET AND ONLY ASKING FOR WHAT YOU NEED.

SO YOU HAVE ME ADD THAT. FAMILY AND FRIENDS BURIED SIDE- BY-SIDE AND I KNOW YOU DO IN ORDER.

ALSO ON THE SOCIAL SERVICES SIDE.

I WILL TALK MORE ABOUT, I HAD A FAMILY MEMBER, A VERY CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER SEPARATED FROM THE FAMILY 30 YEARS LOST ON THE STREETS TO ADDICTION AND OTHER ISSUES SO WITH SOCIAL WORKERS FROM BARE COUNTY THAT HELPED MAKE A CONNECTION AFTER THAT FAMILY MEMBER WAS DISCOVERED AND HAD PASSED SEVERAL WEEKS NOW. REACHED OUT TO MY FAMILY AND IT IMPACTED MY FAMILY GREATLY SO WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH THAT.

SO YOU KNOW THE WORK THAT THE SOCIAL WORKERS DO IN THE FACT THAT AT THE TIME IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A COURT TO COMBINE SERVICES BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CROSS TRAIN NOW.

INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON THE STREETS, CONNECTED, UNACCOMPANIED VETERANS THAT YOU HONOR.

[05:35:01]

WHAT WERE WE DOING LAST YEAR I DID NOT WANT TO SEE THE CUTS, THEY WERE WHAT THEY WERE AND WE DECIDED AS A CORE TO MAKE THEM HAPPEN BUT THE FACT THAT YOU MARRIED THE TWO TOGETHER AND THEY'RE WORKING SEAMLESSLY GOES TO SHOW WE HAVE A GOOD MODEL HERE FOR COMMUNITIES TO LEARN FROM AND TO HOPEFULLY FOLLOW AS WELL. PERSONALLY I HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE SERVICES YOU PROVIDE NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE WE KNOW IN THE COUNTY, BUT SIMILAR SERVICES OUTSIDE THE COUNTY THAT'S A TESTAMENT. BUDGET SORRY REFLECTION OF WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

WE ALL LOVE OUR VETERANS AND WE WANT TO HELP THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY BUT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT WITH THE BUDGET.

I HOPE WE WILL I KNOW WE WILL AND WE WILL WORK HARD TO FIND THE MONEY NEEDED. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SERVICES AND ALL THESE GROUPS HELPING YOU, HOW CAN WE NOT SAY YES, LET'S COMMIT TO THAT CASEWORKER WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO FIND ONE YEAR AND WHEN YOU'RE ONLY CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT WORKER THERE WE ARE DOING MORE WITH LESS AND I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE UP TO THAT BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNHOUSED AND ARE IN NEED OF SERVICES TO BE CONNECTED WITH RESOURCES AND

MOST IMPORTANT OUR VETERANS. >> YES SIR, THANK YOU FOR THE ON THE VETERANS CEMETERY WE TRY HARD TO MAKE SURE WE DO THINGS RIGHT ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT.

WE HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT WE HAVE TO DO THINGS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS BECAUSE WE TRY HARD TO MEASURE FAMILIES ARE TAKEN CARE.

I DO AGREE WHEN YOU DO THIS, HOW AM I GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT? I WILL SAY IT WAS A SMOOTH TRANSITION BECAUSE VETERAN SERVICES WE DO CLAIMS IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE DOING SOCIAL WORK SO IT MARRIES IN A WEIRD WAY AND WORKS WELL WHEN THEY ARE CROSSTRAINED AND THE VETERAN COMMUNITY HAS ACCEPTED AND EMBRACED SOCIAL WORKERS AND THAT IS HARD TO THE COMMUNITY IS ABOUT SO WE ARE BROKEN THROUGH THE LINE AND HAVE ACCESS.

WE APPRECIATE IT GREATLY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS JUDGE OR

COMMISSIONERS? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THOSE ARE HARD ASK TO FOLLOW ESPECIALLY NEEDS FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND JUDICIARY AND ALL THAT.

BUT THAT'S ONE SET OF YOUR COIN. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN OUR PRESENTATION IS THE OTHER SIDE, CHILDREN, THE YOUTH, THE PEOPLE, SENIORS WHO USE OUR FACILITIES AND COMMUNITY CENTERS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. I'M GOING TO START WITH INLAND PARKS. WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE LEVELS WE WERE WHEN WE GOT STARTED BEFORE BECAUSE WE HAD TO CUT AND THIS IS A SMALLER ATTEMPT TO GET BACK THERE.

IT WILL BE STEPS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, SOME OF THE COST WILL BE BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED COST AS YOU KNOW STUFF HAS GOTTEN MORE EXPENSIVE.

FUEL HAS GOTTEN MORE EXPENSIVE AND THE NEED FOR VEHICLES OR THE MAINTENANCE ON THE VEHICLES HAS GOTTEN MORE EXPENSIVE.

THOSE ARE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE.

WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS NEEDS FOR SCHOOLS AND SPLASH PADS, THOSE ARE BIG DEALS AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN RUNNING THEM MUCH BECAUSE OF A LACK OF WATER. DOING REALLY WELL AT THE PARKER POOL. IT IS A COMMUNITY STABLE, THEY HAVE DONE US REALLY WELL, THE IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE MADE TO THE FACILITY HAVE CLEANED UP A LOT OF PROBLEMS SO WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF THOSE NEEDS TAKEN CARE OF.

>> DID YOU FIND THE STAFF TO TAKE CARE? IT WAS A SPECIFIC PERSON BECAUSE THERE WERE REPORTS THAT HAD TO BE

MAINTAINED AND STUFF. >> WE HAVE TRAINED ONE

[05:40:03]

>> GOING TO BE, HE WAS IN BEFORE?

WE WILL GET HIM BACK. >> HE IS LEARNING.

IT IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR STAFF TO EXPAND THE KNOWLEDGE BASE BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOREVER.

MY SUPERVISOR AND I WILL NOT BE HERE FOREVER SO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STEP UP AND THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO STEP UP.

SO EXCUSE ME I NEED TO TAKE OFF MY GLASSES.

>> GETTING EMOTIONAL OR ARE YOU GOING TO CRY? ARE YOU OKAY? WHAT ARE YOU TELLING US?

>> MY EYESIGHT. >> GLASSES FOR FARLEY? SPY GLASSES FOR FARAWAY BUT IT USED TO BE ABLE TO SEE RIGHT HERE. WITHOUT MY GLASSES.

SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR INCREASE IN SPLASH PADS AS THE $15,000 BASE BUDGET INCREASE DUE TO VEHICLE REPAIRS ANOTHER 5000.

BASE INCREASED DUE TO THE FUEL COST 6000.

WE WANT TO INCREASE SUPPLY MATERIAL COST AT 25 BUILDING MAINTENANCE AND GROUNDS AND THIS GOES TO THINGS WE'VE GOT PLANNED WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME TIRE CLEANUPS NOT JUST FOR THE PARKS, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITIES WORKING WITH A GRANT WITH COMMISSIONER RIGHT NOW WE ARE SETTING UP TO DO A TIRE CLEANUP SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO DOING. WE DO A LOT OF BRUSH CLEANING AND GARBAGE COLLECTION SITES. THOSE ARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, THEY HELP IN KEEPING STUFF FROM GETTING OUT TO THE STREETS AND IT HELPS TO KEEP FROM GETTING INTO PARKS BECAUSE NOTORIOUSLY PARKS ARE SOME OF THE DUMPING AREAS.

SO WE TRIED TO GET TO IT BEFORE IT GETS TO US.

WE ARE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL CLEANUP THROUGH THE COUNTY. WE WANT TO GO TO TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE CLINIC AND WE HAVE A EXCAVATOR AND NIFTY LIFT FOR CAPITAL ITEMS.

>> DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT?

>> TWO DIFFERENT PIECES. ONE IS A HIGH LIFT TO GET TO THE LIGHTING IS A LOT OF BALLFIELDS AND STUFF HAVE TO BE

DONE. >> WE DON'T HIRE THAT OUT?

>> WE GENERALLY DO AND THE COMMISSION KNOWS WE GET COMMUNITY PATH IN ROBSTOWN AND AT ORTIZ PARK, WE GET THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN TO COME BRING THE LIFT TRUCKS WHEN THEY ARE

AVAILABLE TO REVAMP THE LIGHTS. >> LIGHTBULBS.

>> THIS IS LIKE THE FIRST INSTALLED IS GOING TO OUR WE WERE WELL WITH THE VETERAN ASSOCIATION AND THE LIBRARIES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER THROUGHOUT INITIATIVES. SO ON COMMUNITY SERVICES WE SERVED 365 SENIORS A DAY, TRANSPORT 3000, SERVE 75,000 MEALS A YEAR, 48,000 GO TO THE HOME BOUND.

THIS IS IN 1490. IN BOTH CASES WE DO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO WE END UP DOING HEATING AND SHELTERS, THE CODING SHELTERS, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, COME TO TAKE ON THAT TASK AND THE GUYS ARE TRAINED TO DO IT THEY HAVE TAKEN ONE HUNDREDS AND 300S, THE BASICS AT LEAST SO WE ARE TRAINED IN WHAT WE NEED THEM TO BE ABLE TO FOR A TWO STEP INCREASE. JUDGE I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING BROADER SO WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH WHAT YOUR

VISION IS. >> WE HAVE APPRECIATED ALL DEPARTMENTS AND EMPLOYEES HANGING WITH US THE LESS DIFFICULT TWO YEARS AND WE HOPE TO DO SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT

THIS YEAR. >> WE, TOO, ALSO HAVE A DRIVER WE LOST THROUGH THE BUDGETING PROCESS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK. CURRENTLY IT USED TO BE THE DRISCOLL DRIVER 33 K POSITION. THEY WERE THERE PRIOR AND THEN

[05:45:06]

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING IN THE WE KNOW THE GRANT WILL GO AWAY 26.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT POSITION BACK.

WE HAVE A NO COST TRYING TO RECLASSIFY CUSTODIANS OPERATIONS CLERK SO THEY CAN FILL IN WHERE WE NEED TO FILL THEM IN AND NOT JUST BE MAINTENANCE.

BIGGEST NEED IS 11 BANDS OUT OF THE 11, FIVE OF THEM ARE 10 YEARS OR OLDER. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THOSE, THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST NEED.

>> WE HAVE HEARD THAT A LOT PRESENTATION FROM THE

PURCHASING. >> WE UNDERSTAND PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT SO WE ARE GOOD WITH THE DECISIONS MADE.

SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CENTER IN ROBSTOWN, WE HAVE HAD, IT IS AN OLD BUILDING. IT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE AND I HAVE BEEN HERE 37 YEARS.

SOUTHSIDE WALL CENTER, HANDICAPPED WITH THE RAT WALL IS DETACHED SO YOU NEED TO GET INSTALLED THE PLUMBING NEEDS TO BE SNAKED OUT AND REDONE. A LOT OF INTERIOR PAINTING, THE BUILDING IS USED FOR THE PUBLIC AND BY SENIORS ON A DAILY BASIS . DRISCOLL CENTER IS BEING REBUILT NOW SO THANK YOU, THANK THE CORD FOR PUTTING THAT AGENDA.

COMMISSIONER PUSLEY HAS BEEN WITH US OUT THERE.

HE WANTS TO DO INTERIOR PAINT, REPLACEMENT IN THE CENTER. CHAIRS NEED TO BE REPLACED WITH MAINTENANCE ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE DOOR, IN BISHOP WE NEED TO DO A C REPLACEMENT ON EXTERIOR UNITS SO THAT'S ABOUT $50,000. AND THEN INTERIOR PAINT SO WITH

THAT, THOSE QUESTIONS? >> NEED A COPY OF THE CAPITAL ITEMS? THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED.

>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK WE ARE GOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE APPRECIATE IT UP, THE SPIRIT MR.

LAST ONE OF THE DAY. >> JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS GOOD AFTERNOON.

ROAD AND BRIDGE AND ALSO FOR THE BUILDING BUDGET.

BEFORE I GET STARTED JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS I WANT TO TAKE OVER WE MAINTAIN 750 MILES WORTH OF ROADS.

THAT'S 750 MILES WORTH OF ROADS WITH STAFF WE HAVE, STAFF HAS DECREASED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. NOW WE HAVE RETIRED, MAINTAINED AND TRY TO KEEP UP WITH MAINTENANCE ON THE ROADWAYS.

IF YOU MULTIPLY BY TWO THAT'S HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO MOW THE YARD. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIX THAT ARE MOWING THE YARD. WE TRY TO MOW THE 750 MILES.

>> THE RIGHT OF WAYS? >> YES MEN.

>> EMILY DO YOU HAVE ON STAFF >> APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN, I'M

GOING TO SAY BETWEEN 60 AND 70. >> HOW MANY OPENINGS?

>> OPENINGS WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY AND I DON'T WANT TO LIE TO YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS I WILL ESTIMATE

MAYBE EIGHT OR LESS THAN EIGHT. >> ROAD AND BRIDGE.

>> SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE MAJORITY ARE TRUCK DRIVER ONE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS. GOING BACK TO THE MOWING.

I DON'T KNOW INCLUDE THE DETENTION FACILITIES THAT WERE JUST CONSTRUCTED. THOSE HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED.

>> THAT'S ONE THING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND.

ALL OF THESE THINGS LIKE EDWARD SAID IN HIS LAST PRESENTATION.

SPLASH PAD AND THINGS WE DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MAINTENANCE AND REQUIREMENTS THAT GO ON THESE.

>> NOW WITH THE FENCING THERE WILL BE CUTTING, WEED EATING AND MOWING AND THOSE FACILITIES HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED ON A

[05:50:01]

PLUS THERE'S GOING TO BE WATER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO YOU KNOW IT'S UP TO KEEP IT UP KEEP AND MAKE SURE IT LOOKS NICE. EVEN THOUGH IT IS A DETENTION FACILITY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS NICE.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS, THE ITEMS WE HAVE TO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE WILL INCLUDE AS ADDITIONAL MOWING AND CUTTING. I WILL LET YOLANDA GO THROUGH

OUR BUDGET. >> GOOD AFTERNOON JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I GUESS I WILL START WITH ROAD AND BRIDGE. DID HAVE REQUESTING IN OUR OVERTIME, TO HELP, TIME DOWN FROM ALL EMPLOYEES.

25,000 NOW WAS BUDGETED AND WE ARE ASKING FOR ANOTHER 10,000 OVERTIME.

ASKING FOR INCREASE IN OFFICE A PLACE TO KEEP OPERATIONAL NEEDS MET THAT 20,000 ALSO COVERS THE CAPITAL, LESS THAN 5000.

SO THAT IS ALL BUNCHED UP TOGETHER.

IF WE REQUEST TVS OR ANY TYPE OF SECURITY THAT FALLS UNDER THE OFFICE EXPENSES, WE ARE ALSO ASKING FOR INCREASE IN OUR, FOR OUR CELL PHONE SERVICES.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FIELD STAFF THAT HAVE CELL PHONES SO WE CAN REACH THEM DURING EVENTS WHEN WE HAVE EMERGENCIES IN THE FIELD.

>> THEY DON'T HAVE CELL PHONES NOW?

>> WE TRIED TO GIVE THEM TO THE FOREMAN, THE ASSISTANT FOREMAN, PEOPLE WE NEED TO REACH. SO THAT KIND OF INCREASED A LITTLE BIT. CELL PHONE SERVICE.

ARE ALSO INCREASING AT LEAST 20,000, FOR MAINTENANCE OF REPAIRS AND VEHICLES AND TOOLS WITH ALL THAT COST HAS GONE UP.

SOMEWHAT IN PRIOR WE HAVE DONE EXCEEDED, WE USUALLY GET THREE 95,000, WE ARE ASKING FOR 20,000 TO KEEP UP WITH REPAIRS ESPECIALLY FOR HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT COSTS GOING UP IN REPAIRING HEAVY EQUIPMENT. AND ASKING FOR INCREASE IN MATERIALS. OUR MATERIAL COST A LOT OF NEW CONTRACTS ARE UPPER BIT THE COST STAYED THE SAME, WHEN WE TRY TO ORDER OUR AGGREGATE ROCK AND FOR THE SEAL COATING THAT'S USUALLY $92 A TON. ORDER 10,000 TONS, THAT TAKES UP THE WHOLE BUDGET. SO WE USUALLY TRY TO ORDER ALL MATERIALS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.

THE MATERIALS INCLUDE ALL THE ROCK ALL THE SIGNS ANY CONTRACT SERVICES WE DO FOR ROADS AND BRIDGES, THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THAT AND THEN WE ARE ASKING FOR , SORRY? AND THEN I GUESS OUR MAIN THING IS CAPITAL OUTLAY ASKING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR ALLOCATING CAPITAL MONEY THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CAPITAL AND WE NEED TO REPLACE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.

>> QUITE A BIT OF EQUIPMENT WITH OUR MONEY?

WE DID NOT GIVE CAPITAL OUTLAY. >> THE MONEY WAS TWO YEARS AGO.

WE DID GET, WE NEEDED THE VACUUM TRUCK AND THE MOWERS AND THOSE ARE BEING USED AND THESE ARE VEHICLES THAT ARE AT LEAST 14 YEARS OLD. THEY HAVE EXCEEDED THE HOURS OF SERVICE AND THESE ARE NOT WANTS , THEY ARE ACTUAL NEEDS.

I GAVE TERESA A LIST OF THE PRIORITY AND WE ARE ASKING 1.1.

[05:55:06]

WE ARE NEEDING DUMP TRUCKS AND A CRAFT SEALER, THE CRACK IS ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD WE DID REPLACE THE WATER TRUCK.

THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE ACCIDENT.

THAT HELPED AND FOR THE TANDEM DUMP TRUCKS AND THE CRACK SEALER AND THE BACKHOE FRESH GRABBER FOR THE MOWING CREWS.

A LIST OF HOW COME I HAVEN'T IN PRIORITY SO YOU CAN LOOK AND REVIEW IT AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO ALLOCATE CAPITAL OUTLAY MONEY THIS YEAR IF POSSIBLE.

[06:13:55]

[06:14:03]

[06:14:11]

>> THE PROPOSED CURRENT EXPENSES.

SHOULD WE DO THE I.T. WAREHOUSE, THE EVANS BUILDING.

AND PROPOSED EXPENSES FOR THE NEW ANIMAL CARE FACILITY.

>> THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROPOSED RECURRING FOR THE OTHER BUILDINGS? I THINK THE EVANS BUILDING IS GOING TO HAVE AN ELEVATOR THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS, ALSO.

YES. >> THE ANIMAL CARE FACILITY,

JUDGE. >> THERE IS ALSO A MAINTENANCE

COST. >> NO ELEVATOR OVER THERE.

>> ALSO, LIKE LET'S BE CLEAR. >> THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE

[06:15:10]

LAWN SERVICES. JANITORIAL SERVICES.

GOING TO INCLUDE THEM. JANITORIAL SERVICES.

>> PART OF WHEN YOU DO THESE THINGS, YOU HAVE TO ADD THE

SERVICES TO THEM. >> NOT UNDER PUBLIC WORKS.

>> YEAH. THEY ARE NOT UNDER PUBLIC.

>> BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BEING UTILIZED YET.

>> NO, MA'AM. RIGHT NOW THE ANALYSIS UNDER I.T. YES, MA'AM.

>> TRANSFER IT TO YOU? YOU ASKING ME FOR THAT?

>> YES, MA'AM. WE TALKED TO TERESA AND CAME UP WITH A BUDGET FOR IT. SAME THING FOR THE ANIMAL CARE FACILITY. WE DON'T MAINTAIN THAT.

SO WE ALSO PREPARED A BUDGET FOR THAT FOR WHOEVER TAKES

OVER. >> WHO IS BUILDING FACILITIES?

>> I GUESS WHERE YOU ARE, SOMEBODY MAINTAINS IT OUT

THERE. >> YEAH.

>> WELL, FOR THE CURRENT FACILITY, I AM US THOUGHT IT WAS -- WAS IT YOU ALL THAT DID IT?

>> I THINK IT WAS UNDER JOHN. I AM SORRY.

I DON'T CARE. ANIMAL CONTROL.

>> THEY DO THEIR OWN? >> THEY WERE IN THE PRECINCT 3 YARD. SO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE YARD.

>> IN THE MICROPHONE. SORRY.

THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU. >> ANIMAL CARE IS IN THE PRECINCT 3 YARD. SO ANY MOWING AND UPKEEP IN THE AREA WOULD PROBABLY BE DONE BY OUR MAINTENANCE PEOPLE.

>> YES. OKAY.

>> SEPARATED. SO.

>> SEPARATED. YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

ANYTHING, ANYBODY? >> ANY QUESTIONS? THEN THAT CONCLUDES -- THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC WORKS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

>> THAT WAS OUR LAST PRESENTATION.

WE WILL BE BACK TOMORROW. IT IS 4:20, AND WE ARE DONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.