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          TO GET THE QUEENS UP HERE TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF 
          ALLEGIANCE. >>> IN THE NAME OF JESUS I COME TO, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. I PRAY YOUR BLESSING OVER THIS COURT. I ASK THAT YOU FILL THIS PLACE WITH YOUR PEACE THAT SURPASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING. ASK A 
          >>> I ASKED THE JUNIOR LIVESTOCK SHOW QUEEN TO COME AND LEAD US 
          IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND 
          JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS FLAG ONE STATE UNDER GOD . 
          >>> THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE COOLEST QUEEN DRESSES I HAVE EVER SEEN. THAT IS A VERY NICE. THAT IS AWESOME. IT IS WEDNESDAY, THE FIFTH THIS IS 5 FEBRUARY AND IT IS 9:05. WE HAVE ALL COMMISSIONERS PRESENT IN THE COURTHOUSE , EXCEPT FOR JOE A. 
          GONZALEZ. HE IS BACK IN HIS OFFICE. WE MAY MARK HIM IN WHEN HE JOINS US. WE ARE MEETING AT 901 LEOPARD AT THE COUNTY 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER]
COURTHOUSE. I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. I VERIFY A QUORUM IS PRESENT. MOVING ON TO ITEM D, DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS OF DISCLOSURES OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST? TO JUDGE, I HAVE ONE ON FILE. I WILL BE ABSTAINING ON THE ITEM ON THE 
          [1.  In recognition of Rebecca Velasquez-Rendon's 30 years of service to Nueces County.]
CONSENT AGENDA. I WILL ANNOUNCE IT WHEN WE GET THE POINT. 
          >> THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WE HAVE CERTIFICATES OF RECOGNITION. I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF ME WE ARE SEVEN HAPPY WITH THEIR RETIREMENT . THERE ARE SEVERAL, THREE RIGHT HERE THAT WE WILL BE LOSING ALMOST 100 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. STARTING OFF, WE WILL STARTS WITH CALLING THE ROLL. ] WITH 30 YEARS OF SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING , WE ARE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE MICROPHONE FOR A SECOND. I'M SURE THE JUDGE MIGHT WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT YOU SINCE YOU WORKED FOR 
          HER. >> GOOD MORNING. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH . NUECES COUNTY HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME FOR MY CAREER HERE AS A COURT REPORTER. THE COURT REPORTERS AND STAFF HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD AS WELL I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE. Y'ALL HAVE PROVIDED FOR US AS EMPLOYEES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY WORDS ABOUT HER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THESE, AND THEN AT THE LAST, YOU WILL SPEAK SINCE THEY ARE ALL YOUR STAFF? THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE INDIVIDUAL PHOTOS. WE CAN HAVE YOU COME UP WITH THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND TAKE A PHOTO WITH YOU. WHEN WE 
          [2.  In recognition of Linda Harrison's 35 years of service to Nueces County.]
DO ALL THREE OF THEM AND THEN WE WILL DO PHOTOS DONE HERE TOGETHER. THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. NEXT WE HAVE IN RECOGNITION OF LINDA HARRISON'S 35 YEARS OF SERVICE. 
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TRULY AMAZING , WORKING AT THE COUNTY THIS LONG. 
          >> MORNING. I WANT TO THANK MY FAMILY AND MY CHURCH FAMILY THAT IS HERE. OF COURSE, OUR COUNTY FOR ALL THEY HAVE DONE FOR US . 
          OUR PUBLIC SERVICE , I TAKE TO A TRUE HEART, ALL THE TIME. I DO MISS THE PAST 30 DAYS, HELPING ANYBODY. I WILL FIND MY NICHE OF VOLUNTEERING SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU AGAIN. IT IS 35 YEARS AT A 
          [3.  In recognition of Judge Nanette Hassette's 30 years of service to Nueces County.]
MONTHS. 
          RECOGNITION OF JUDGE NANETTE HASSETTE'S 30 YEARS OF SERVICE , IN OUR 28TH DISTRICT AS THE COURT JUDGE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF NUECES COUNTY. TOGETHER WITH MY STAFF AND ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE COURTHOUSE, WE HAVE MANAGED TO DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE 28TH. I THINK WE HAVE THE BEST CASELOAD NUMBERS FOR THE 28TH THROUGH ALL THE YEARS I HAVE BEEN ON THE BENCH. WITH THE HELP OF LINDA, MY COURT REPORTER, AND THE BAILIFFS I HAVE HAD TO RENT THE YEARS. I DO WANT TO MENTION ONE PARTICULAR EMPLOYEE THAT I HAD WAS OUR LAST BAILIFF, THAT RECENTLY PASSED AWAY . I WANT TO HONOR HIM AS WELL FOR NOT ONLY HIS SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY, OUR COUNTY, AND OUR STATE, HE SERVES IN EVERY CAPACITY. I HONOR HIM FOR HIS SERVICE THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY . I FEEL VERY SAD , AND VERY OPTIMISTIC. 
          I AM HAPPY YOU WERE HONORING MY EMPLOYEES. THEY IN FACT SERVED MANY YEARS FOR THIS COUNTY, AND LIVED IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVANT ALL HER LIFE, IN AND OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE. SHE IS ONE THAT IS THE HEARTBEAT OF COURT. SHE HAS DONE WONDERFUL THINGS, NOT ONLY FOR THE PARTIES THAT COME IN, BUT FOR HER COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR HER, AND BECKY AS WELL. SHE HAS BEEN BY MY SIDE THROUGH THICK AND THIN. SHE VERY RARELY TOOK TIME OFF TO BE IN COURT. THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE 20TH DISTRICT COURT. I WANT TO THANK MY HUSBAND AND MY FAMILY HAS WELL . IF NOT, THIS WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. I HAVE THREE KIDS, AND ALL THROUGH THE 20TH DISTRICT COURT , THERE WERE LITTLE BITTY KIDS. NOW THEY ARE ADULTS. NOW IS A MOM, WHAT WILL YOU DO? AS I DON'T KNOW, I WILL THINK OF A FEW THINGS. I ALSO WANT TO THINK THE BOARD OF JUDGES AND ALL THE JUDGES THAT I HAVE SERVED THROUGH . THERE HAVE BEEN MANY, STARTING WITH JUDGE DOUGLAS AND JUDGE RAMOS. I COULD NAME ALL THE JUDGES I SERVED WITH. IT HAS BEEN A COMPLETE HONOR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR ALL OF THE ASSISTANCE. I KNOW I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING . I HAVE BEEN THROUGH FLOODS. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH HURRICANES. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH COVID. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH SNOW. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH ALMOST EVERY TYPE OF TRAGEDY THAT CAN HAPPEN, AND WE HAVE SURVIVED. THAT IS A SENTIMENT AND A TESTAMENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, WITH YOUR ASSISTANCE. EVERY MORNING I WILL LOOK AT THE WINDOW, AND LINDA WOULD KNOW , I HAVE SEEN BUILDINGS GO UP. I HAVE SEEN BUILDINGS GO DOWN. I'VE SEEN BRIDGES GO UP .'S TO HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T GO DOWN. 
          >> WE SAW THE BRIDGE OF THE GAP. NOW IT IS NOT A GAP. IT IS WORKING OUT WELL. EVERY DAY I SAY, LINDA, I DID TELL THE ENGINEER TO WORK ON THAT. I WAS A SUPERVISOR. WE SAW THE BUILDING GO DOWN AND RTA GO UP. WE USED TO SEE THE LEXINGTON COMICS SO THEY PUT THE ABC CENTER-RIGHT IN OUR VIEW. IT HAS BEEN AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE. I FEEL VERY HONORED AND PRIVILEGED TO HAVE SERVED . IT WAS A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY. I BELIEVE I DID THE VERY BEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME, I AM JUST BOBBY. I'VE BEEN 
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HONORED TO SERVE ALONG ON THE BOARD OF JUDGES WITH JUDGE NANETTE HASSETTE FOR 18 YEARS. WHEN I FIRST TOOK THE BENCH, JUDGE NANETTE HASSETTE WITH AN ASSET SLEEP. SHE GAVE ME A LOT OF ADVICE AND HAS GIVEN A LOT OF ADVICE TO A LOT OF YOUNG JUDGES AS IF COME THROUGH. JUDGE NANETTE HASSETTE IS A LOCAL GIRL WENT TO MILLER HIGH SCHOOL. YES. SHE CAME BACK , AND WENT TO SCHOOL. SHE GOT HER UNDERGRADUATE AND CAME BACK HOME TO SERVE HER COMMUNITY. SHE SERVED HER COMMUNITY, WITH THE COUNTY , AND REPRESENTED THE COUNTY ON CPS CASES. SHE HAS ON 20 YEARS ON THE BENCH. SHE HAS A GREAT FRIEND AND A GREAT JURIST. 
          SHE REALLY GAVE HER LIFE TO THE COMMUNITY. SHE TALKS A BUNCH OF NICE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE. I AM HERE TO SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT HER. ALL THE COMMITTEES WE SERVED ON . WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD TIMES. SHE WAS ELECTED TO SEVEN TERMS . SHE GOT A LOT OF OPPONENTS. AND EVERY TIME, SHE PREVAILED. SHE DID PREVAIL BECAUSE THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY TRUSTED HER , AND BECAUSE SHE WAS FAIR . SHE TREATED PEOPLE IN A RESPECTFUL FASHION. 
          SHE DID WITH A TRUE JURIST SHOULD DO. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THINKING JUDGE NANETTE HASSETTE FOR 30 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE. 
          SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THESE LADIES. 
          >> I WAS. FOR I SAW MY PARENTS AND I THOUGHT, I MUST BE IN TROUBLE. WE KNOW LET ALONE POTENTIAL WORK, IT IS WORK OR SCHOOL, BUT WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT LINDA. THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FANS OF THE JUDGE AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT HER COURT AND STAFF HAVE DONE ALL OF THESE YEARS. REBECCA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS. YOU ARE MIKE'S BETTER HALF. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR MIKE'S SERVICE AS WELL. AS SOMEONE WHO HAS ALWAYS FOLLOWED POLITICS, AND LOVE POLITICS, I REMEMBER THE RISE OF JUDGE NANETTE HASSETTE. THAT IS ENDURINGLY REFERRED TO OVER THE YEARS. HER RIGHT SON WOULD YOU RENT FOR HER FIRST TIME . IT WAS A STORY. THERE WERE A LOT OF NAMES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT ARE NO LONGER WITH US. THEIR CALLING FILLS THE COURTHOUSE. THEY ARE INSPIRING MANY YOU ARE HERE THAT HAVE RUN FOR JUDGE OR CONTINUE TO BE JUDGES. THIS IS WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, IS TO SUPPORT YOU WITH THE RESOURCES YOU NEED TO HAVE THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE, SEEK AND CARRY OUT JUSTICE. THAT IS ONE OF THE TENANTS GIVEN TO COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE NOT MANY THAT ARE REQUIRED OF US, BUT IT IS THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE BUDGET TO DO IT. WE KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN LEAN YEARS . YOU TALK ABOUT TRAGEDY ON THE WEATHER, AND ALL THOSE THINGS, IT IS LEAN YEARS OF BUDGET. YOU HAVE ME DO. YOU CONTINUE TO DO YOUR JOB. THAT IS A HARD THING TO FIND. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL EVER GET TO THE POINT, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER JUDGES, OR THE AMOUNT OF STAFF YOU HAVE HAD FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE TO STAY HERE IN ONE PLACE, THAT IS HOW WE FIND IN WORK ANYMORE, ANYWHERE. 
          THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A MAJORITY OF YOUR KEY STAFF IS A TESTAMENT TO YOU. WE KNOW YOU HAVE MADE A NAME FOR YOURSELF. IT IS AN HONOR TO SAY THIS TO YOU, I WAS SAD TO HEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT RUNNING AGAIN, BUT YOU ALL ARE STILL SO YOUNG. 
          YOU HAVE SO MANY THINGS TO PLAN FOR AND DO. I KNOW LINDA HAS BEEN MENTIONING, WHAT DO I DO? I SEE HER VOLUNTEERING ALL OVER THE PLACE. WE KNOW SHE IS KEEPING BUSY. WE KNOW YOU WILL DO PLENTY OF WORK WITH YOUR YEARS AHEAD. CONGRATULATIONS . 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU AT THE COURTHOUSE. 
          FOR THEIR INCREDIBLE SERVICE. TO SIT ON THE BENCH FOR 20 YEARS, NEAR THE TYPES OF CASES THAT YOU HAD TO HEAR, NO THANK YOU. THAT IS A GRUELING JOB . THE KINDS OF CASES YOU HERE, YOU HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE FRIENDLIEST STAFF. LINDA COMES FROM A FAMILY OF PUBLIC SERVICE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU HAVE DONE . YOU KNOW, IT 
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IS INTERESTING, AT WITH MY SHORT STINT ON THE BENCH, YOU FIND YOU REALLY DON'T, POLITICS DOES NOT COME INTO PLAY AS A JUDGE, IT REALLY DOESN'T. NOBODY CARES IF YOU ARE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, THEY CARE IF YOU ARE A FAIR JUDGE. YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT REPUTATION. IT IS APPRECIATED, THE SERVICE ABLE TO THIS COUNTY AND THIS STATE. TO HAVE STAFF THAT HAS STAYED WITH YOU FOR THIS LONG IS A TESTAMENT TO YOU AND THE KIND OF PEOPLE THEY ARE AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. YOU WILL BE MISSED RUN THE COURTHOUSE. I'M SURE WE WILL SEE YOU. THERE MIGHT BE A FEW VISITING ASSIGNMENTS COMING YOUR WAY. YOU KNOW THAT THE JUDGE IS READY TO GET OUT AS WELL. YOU WILL NEED A LOT OF COVERAGE. WE WILL MISS HIM WHEN HE GOES. THANK YOU AGAIN. WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU HAVE DONE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE, I MEAN ALL THREE OF YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> COMMISSIONER MIKE PUSLEY? >> IS MY MICROPHONE ON? AS EVERYONE HAS SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY. TO SERVE THAT LENGTH OF TIME IN ONE POSITION IS A GREAT SACRIFICE. PUBLIC SERVICE IS A GREAT SACRIFICE. 
          MANY TIMES, AT THE CHAGRIN , FOR YOUR FAMILY . YOUR TO MS. FAMILY THINGS THAT YOU WOULD RATHER BE DOING WITH THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE. JUDGE NANETTE HASSETTE AND I ARE ACROSS THE STREET NEIGHBORS. I WILL BE VERY JEALOUS WHEN I LEAVE IN THE MORNING AND I SEE HER CAR STILL IN THE DRIVEWAY. 
          LAUGHTER ] ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JUDGE FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE ALWAYS HAD A GREAT REPUTATION AS A JUDGE. THAT HAS ALWAYS FOLLOWED YOU THROUGHOUT YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. YOUR STAFF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE SUCCESS THAT YOU HAVE HAD IN YOUR COURT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          >> I THINK EVERYTHING HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. I'M TRYING TO FIND WORDS NOBODY HAS SAID, THERE IS ONE LINE, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GETTING UP IN THE MORNING. I KNOW TO SAY, I DON'T WANT TO GO TO WORK, BUT HE CAME TO WORK. THAT IS DEDICATION. 
          THAT IS COMMITMENT. AND THAT IS PASSION FOR YOUR WORK. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE, THE YOU DISPLAYED FOR 20 YEARS. IT HAS TO BE A PASSION FOR THAT. I WANT TO THANK YOU, JUDGE, FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. 
          WE HAVE HAD SOME GOOD UPS AND DOWNS, BUT WE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE. I WANT TO THANK YOU. THANK YOUR STAFF. I DO THINK ALL OF YOUR SUPPORTERS . I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO ENJOY LIFE. YOU MAY NOT SEE THE CAR, BUT SHE IS OUT THERE RUNNING SOMEWHERE.LAUGHTER ] TO MAYBE WALKING NOW . CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN. ENJOY LIFE. GOD BLESS YOU GUYS. GOD BLESS YOUR FAMILIES. SEE TO THANK YOU. 
          AMOUNT OF YEARS HERE, BUT I DID WORK WITH YOU YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE. YOU MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE AND REACHED OUT. WE HAD MEETINGS. I THINK WE BOTH JOINTLY WENT TO MEETINGS. 
          YOU HAVE BEEN JUST AS AVAILABLE SINCE I HAVE COME ON THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND ASKED COUNTY JUDGE, I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND EFFORT THAT YOU DO. I HAVE SEEN & . YOUR OFFICE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AVAILABLE. WE THANK YOU AND COMMEND YOU, EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          APPLAUSE ] >> NOW WE HAVE SOME CERTIFICATES AND THE WATCHES ARE GONE, WHERE DID THEY GO? OKAY, THANK YOU. I 
          WAS LIKE, THEY WERE JUST HERE. >> BRING BACK THE WATCHES. COME ON. 
          DO A GROUP PHOTO BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THE SAME OFFICE. 
          >> OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS. TO PICK UP THE BATTERIES AND LAY 
          THEM OUT. >> YOU WANT TO BRING THE JUDGES? 
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          >> WE WILL GIVE THEM ALL WHEN A COUPLE MINUTES TO CLOSE THE DOORS. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ADOPT THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTIONS, 
          [1.  In recognition of the 2024 Calallen Wildcats High School Football Team for a successful season.]
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THE PROCLAMATIONS AND ORDERS. IN RECOGNITION OF THE 2024 CALALLEN WILDCATS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM FOR A SUCCESSFUL SEASON. 
          IT'S FOR ARE THEY HERE? ARE THEY GETTING THEM? 
          >> YES, THEY ARE OUT THERE. THEY ARE ALL OF THE BIG DUDES. 
          >> OF, THANK YOU. I DID NOT SEE ANYBODY HERE. 
          >> IT IS HARD TO MISS THESE GUYS. FOR WE HAVE THE QUARTERBACK RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THE LINEMEN OUT THERE. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FRANCIS WILL READ THE RESOLUTION. 
          >>> WHEREAS THEY CALALLEN HIGH SCHOOL TEAM FINISHED A SUCCESSFUL 2024 SEASON WITH AN OVERALL RECORD OF 10-3, AND THE REGIONAL AND SEMI FINALIST. AND WHEREAS, THEY CALALLEN HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM, LED BY HEAD COACH, CHARLIE REED, ASSISTANT COACHES, JOHNNY IRVIN, JAMES K, MICHAEL GONZALES, TYLER COLLINS, JOE LISA LOPEZ . AND AIDED BY, ATHLETIC TRAINERS, LAUREN DYLAN . STUDENT TRAINERS, RECEIVE AND SEND , ELSA LOPEZ, GRAYSON HILL, MICHAELA WYATT, AND AVERY BRIGGS, ALONG WITH THE ATHLETIC SECRETARY , EMILY COURTNEY AND THE TEAM MANAGER, GREG ROGERS. WHEREAS, PLAYERS FROM THE CALLOW AND HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM WERE HONORED AS FOLLOWS. T8 SCA ALLSTATE HONORABLE MENTION , BRADY BUCHANAN, ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT AND TEENAGE SCA ALLSTATE FIRST TEAM. THSCA HONORABLE MENTION. COLBY ALSO, ALL DISTRICT, AND THSCA ACADEMIC ALLSTATE SECOND TEAM. DIEGO POINT IS, ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT AND THSCA ACADEMIC ALSO TEAM. AND JUDE HERNANDEZ, ACADEMIC ALLSTATE, FIRST TEAM. LANE ROGERS, ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT, AND THSCA ALLSTATE SECOND TEAM. LUKE MITCHELL, ACADEMICAL DISTRICT, AND ALLSTATE HONORABLE MENTION. AND ALLSTATE SECOND TEAM. CONNOR YOUNG, ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT , EIGHT IN FLORENCE , ACADEMICAL DISTRICT, ANDREW GARZA, ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT. IN JACKSON'S RELEASE, ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT, AND REESE RUSHER ACADEMICAL DISTRICT. AND CONNOR KLOSTERMAN , AND JADEN GENUS, ACADEMICAL DISTRICT, AND JUST NORMAL, ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT, RHINORRHEA, ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT, AND TREVOR ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT. WHEREAS THE CALALLEN HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL PLAYERS INCLUDED SENIORS, EIGHT IN MIDLAND, BRADY BUCHANAN, BRADEN ALEXANDER, KAYDEN ALLEN, CARLOS ROSALES , COLBY ELSTER, CONNOR YOUNG , DIEGO POINT IS , GARZA LEES, HAYDEN BROCK, HIS IS FOR US. JUDE HERNANDEZ, LANE ROGERS, LUKE MITCHELL, MICHAEL VIEIRA, PATRICK DAVIS, RICHARD RUBIO, SEBASTIAN DENNIS , AND ZACH YOUNG. JUNIORS INCLUDE, EIGHT IN FLORENCE, OUTFITTERS, ANDREW GARZA, INTERPOL, DANIEL YOUNG, IAN BETTIS, AND TRENTON GRAVES. SOPHOMORES INCLUDE, CARSON KLOSTERMAN, CONNOR KLOSTERMAN, DREW ESPINOZA , AND JEREMIAH RODRIGUEZ. JOSH, WRITER REEVE, SANDY LUNA AND TREVOR. B 
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RESOLVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY DOES RECOGNIZE THE CALALLEN WILDCATS FOOTBALL FOR THEIR ATHLETIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND ACHIEVEMENTS. FOR WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE . ANY OPPOSED. 
          COACH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? FOR BRISTLECONE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING US HERE. IT IS AN HONOR FOR ME. I WISH I COULD BRING THE WHOLE TEAM HERE . IT IS HARD TO GET THEM ALL OUT OF CLASS. THIS GROUP IS OUR SENIORS . I'M GLAD THESE GUYS ARE RECOGNIZED. THIS IS A REALLY SPECIAL GROUP. I WAS IN, WINNING IN FOOTBALL OR IN LIFE, OR WHATEVER IT IS, IS HARD. I KNOW I AM EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THESE GUYS DO IN THE FUTURE. THEY KNOW WHAT SACRIFICE MEANS AND WHAT HARD WORK MEANS. 
          THESE GUYS WERE THE REASON WE HAD THE SUCCESS THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR. I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THIS GROUP . I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THEY DO IN THE FUTURE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND RECOGNIZE OUR PLAYERS, COACHES, AND HARD WORK THEY PUT IN. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS 
          HAVING US OUT. >> THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MIKE PUSLEY, THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT. FOR I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL THESE YOUNG MEN FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND HARD WORK . NOT ONLY IS ATHLETES, BUT AS ACADEMIC SCHOLARS WITH THE LIST I WAS JUST READ BY STAFF . HE NOT ONLY EXCELLED ON THE FIELD, BUT ALSO IN THE CLASSROOM. THAT WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR YOU IN THE FUTURE. THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN THE NORTHWEST AREA ARE SO VERY PROUD OF WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR. COACH, YOU HAD BIG SHOES TO FILL, AND HE SAID TO THE PLATE AND DID THAT VERY WELL. WE ARE JUST AS PROUD AS WE CAN BE OF ALL OF THESE YOUNG MEN. I ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE AIR SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE. BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUPLE WORDS AS WELL. WE ARE SO PROUD OF EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU. NOT ONLY DO YOU EXCEL IN ATHLETICS, BUT ALSO IN ACADEMICS. FROM SOMEONE WHOSE CHILDREN GREW UP IN CALALLEN AND GRADUATED. MY GRANDSON PLAYED FOOTBALL THERE. WE ARE ALWAYS , ALWAYS HAPPY TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS AND RECOGNIZE OUR OUTSTANDING STUDENTS, AND THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE HOPE YOU GO AWAY AND GET YOUR DEGREE, AND WHATEVER FIELD YOU CHOOSE TO DO, I UNDERSTAND THESE ARE SENIORS, BUT I HOPE YOU ALSO COME BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY AND RAISE YOUR FAMILIES HERE. IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU HAVE DONE. WE ARE SO HAPPY TO RECOGNIZE YOU TODAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> I LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. ALTHOUGH I DON'T LIVE THERE, YOU KNOW, I STILL GO TO CORPUS CHRISTI. EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT OUT OF THE CITY, YOU REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. OH, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. YOU REPRESENT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT YOU . 
          YOU DO IT WELL. YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN DO. ALL WE ASK YOU TO DO IS YOUR BEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONTINUE YOUR EDUCATION, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO IN LIFE. THANK YOU, GOD BLESS YOU. 
          WOULD LOVE TO TAKE A PHOTO WITH YOU GUYS IF YOU ARE WILLING TO COME FORWARD. 
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          >>> ALL RIGHT, BACK TO CLASS. FOR NOW WE CAN BRING IN THE 
          QUEENS, PLEASE. >> ONE DAY, WE HAVE QUITE A 
          CELEBRATION. >> ALL RIGHT, IN RECOGNITION OF 
          [2.  In recognition of 2025 Nueces County Junior Livestock Show Queen Contestants.]
THE 2025 NUECES COUNTY JUNIOR LIVESTOCK SHOW QUEEN CONTESTANTS. WE HAVE SEEN AND MET OUR QUEEN THIS YEAR . I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS THE RESOLUTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PEYTON, WE READ THE RESOLUTION? 
          >> WHEREAS, THE FIRST NUECES COUNTY LIVESTOCK SHOW TOOK PLACE IN 1936 WITH 14 BOYS INVOLVED IN THE 4-H BEEF CLUB , THE FIRST QUEENS CONTEST WAS IN 1963. WHEREAS THE MISSION OF THE PROGRAM IS TO PROMOTE RESPONSIBILITY LEADERSHIP SKILLS OR EDUCATIONAL WORK OF 4-H CLUBS , AND FFA CHAPTERS IN COOPERATION WITH THE ADULT LEADERS OF NUECES COUNTY AND ALL EFFORTS OF AGRICULTURE AND INDUSTRY. THE ANSI JAIL US HAS GROWN FROM ITS EARLY DAYS OF SHOWING STEERS TO INCLUDE A RAPID DIVISION, BOTH INDIVIDUAL POMMEL HORSE SHOW, HOMEMAKING, ARTS AND CRAFTS, MECHANICS AND HANDICRAFTS, SHEEP AND QUEENS CONTEST. CONTESTANTS IN THE QUEENS CONTEST REPRESENTATIVES IN GOOD STANDING WITH PORRIDGE CLUB, FFA, OR F FCC L.A. CHAPTER MUST BE PRESENTED TALENT IN THE TOP FIVE FINALIST FOR TWO SPADES IN AN INTERVIEW. THE 25 QUEENS CONTESTANTS ARE THE QUEEN, BEST WESTERN WEAR AND TOP INTERVIEW, RIGHT, FIRST RUNNER-UP, BALL, SECOND, AND TOP TALENTS , WILLIE GAINES, THIRD RUNNER-UP, TO THE DUSEK ENTITY IN SCHWARTZ, MS. CONGENIALITY, TRISTA JOHNSON, BESSIE MIGUEL, MISSY FREY, TOP TALENT. NOW THEREFORE, BE A RESULT OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURTS OF NUECES COUNTY DOES RECOGNIZE THE JUNIOR LIVESTOCK SHOW QUEENS CONTEST CONTESTANTS AND ENCOURAGES THE CITIZENS OF NUECES COUNTY TO JOIN IN THE RECOGNITION, WISHING THEM THE BEST OF WHAT THE FUTURE ENDEAVORS, DULY ADOPTED ON THIS THE DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2025. FOR WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? 
          >> YES, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE AND BE REPRESENTING NUECES COUNTY AND THE QUEENS CONTEST. AGAIN, MY NAME IS LAYTON, I AM THE 2025 NUECES COUNTY QUEEN. I AM HERE WITH SO MANY BEAUTIFUL AND TALENTED GIRLS. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE NCJLS. YOUTH IS 
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INVOLVED IN AGRICULTURE TODAY, ESPECIALLY IN OUR COUNTY . WE HAVE SO MANY GIRLS HERE INVOLVED IN A VARIETY OF THINGS AND ACT AGRICULTURE. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT SHOW MARKET LANDS AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ENTRIES IN HOMEMAKING, WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHERS , AND AGAIN, WE HAVE CATTLE SHORTS LIKE WE DID WHEN NCJLS JUST BEGAN. THE BLUE RIBBON SALE, OVER $2.4 MILLION WAS GIVEN BACK TO THE YOUTH AND SCHOLARSHIPS. WHAT AN IMPACT WE HAVE HAD OVER 90 YEARS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. 
          WOULD ANY COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? 
          >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> CONGRATULATIONS. WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE. WE ARE EXCITED FOR YOUR FUTURE AND YOUR ENDEAVORS. SEVERAL OF US ATTEND. WE PURCHASE ANIMALS AND FOR YOUR PROJECT. WE ARE HAPPY TO DO SO. WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS. WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A PHOTO WITH ALL OF YOU AND WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR ALL OF YOU AS WELL. 
          [3.  In recognition of Scott Cross and the Coastal Parks team for their efforts rescuing cold-stunned sea turtles. ]
          >> 2A HAVE MORE PEOPLE TO BRING IN FOR THE NEXT ITEM? ARE WE ON HERE? EVERYBODY IS HERE? TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, IN RECOGNITION OF SCOTT CROSS IN THE COASTAL PARTS TEAM FOR THEIR EFFORTS RESCUING COLDEST AND SEA TURTLES. THIS WAS AMAZING. I HAVE A LIST OF NAMES THAT I WILL LIST RECOGNIZE, SO IT IS NOT JUST YOU, SCOTT, DON'T HAVE A STROKE. WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATED. WE KNOW A LOT OF THESE ENTITIES AS WELL. WE ARE GRATEFUL TO EVERY ONE OF THESE. I'M SURE COMMISSIONER BRENT CHESNEY WILL WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS . CAN WE DO 
          ALL THESE IN ONE? >> YES, THESE ARE CERTIFICATES OF RECOGNITION. LET ME LIST THE NAMES . WE HAVE MAUREEN , JACOB 
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MOORE , MARY KAY GUILLERMO GARCIA. JESSICA STEPHENS. 
          LINDSAY HOWELL. HEATHER WILL SEND. WE ALSO HAVE PHIL. ROB GARDNER , JACOB MOORE. THE TEXAS SEA LIFE CENTER, TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM , CYNTHIA RUBIO. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE SCOTT CROSS. 
          COMMISSIONER BRENT CHESNEY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? TO OUT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND FOCUS ON THE POSITIVE. I DEFINITELY FOCUS LAST WEEK ON THE NEGATIVE PART OF THIS COLD STONE EVENT. I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR ANOTHER DAY. I WANTED TO REALLY THANK YOU. IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU WELL SET UP FOR THE MICROPHONE. I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE YOU. I KNOW WE LET PEOPLE OFF OF THIS LIST. IF YOU HEAR OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE DO NOT LIST, OR OTHER ENTITIES THAT WE DO NOT LIST, WE TRY TO DO AS MUCH AS WE COULD AND GET AS MANY AS WE COULD TO GET THIS RECOGNITION SENSE. IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT EVENT. PEOPLE IN NUECES COUNTY AT ALONG THE COAST, AND IN THE STATE OF TEXAS LOVE AND SEA TURTLES. THEY ARE PASSIONATE, LIKE I HAVE NEVER SEEN. YOU CANNOT TAKE CARS OFF THE BEACH, AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE SEA TURTLES. THAT IS ONE THING I DO KNOW. I REALLY APPRECIATE, VERY MUCH, ALL EFFORTS THAT YOU PUT IN . I GET IT, IT WAS A TOUGH DAY. PEOPLE WERE CLOSED. PEOPLE WERE AT HOME. NOW THAT YOU CAN COMPARE FIRST RESPONDER TO ANYTHING, BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A FIRST RESPONDER. I LOOK AT PEOPLE TO RESCUE THESE ANIMALS AS THE FIRST RESPONDERS FOR THE SEA TURTLES. THEY WERE THERE AND DIFFICULT CONDITIONS, IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED. TO BE HAVE THAT EVENT ON SATURDAY, WHEN THEY RELEASED THE 400 AND SOME ODD SEA TURTLES, THAT WAS THE COOLEST THING EVER. YOU SAVED THOSE SEA TURTLES, AND MANY MORE , THERE WERE 300 OF 400 ON FRIDAY. THERE WERE EVEN MORE DURING THE WEEK. IT WAS REALLY NEAT. IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THOSE RELEASES, IT REALLY HITS HOME. I LIKE THE BIG RELEASE IS BETTER THAN THE SMALL ONES, GOT ONE IN THE WATER MYSELF. THAT WAS KIND OF COOL YOU CANNOT DO THAT WITH THE LITTLE ONES, THEY ARE TOO SMALL TO HANDLE. IT IS FUN TO WATCH THOSE LITTLE THINGS CRAWL ACROSS THE SAND. IT IS NEED TO SEE THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AROUND THERE ON SATURDAY . THEY WERE NOT HAVE BEEN THERE IF IT WERE NOT FOR YOUR EFFORTS. I JUST WANTED TO BRING ANY AND EVERYBODY IN. I KNOW WE DID MISS PEOPLE. IF YOU CAN SEND ME MORE, I WILL GET THEM CERTIFICATES. 
          SCOTT, YOU CAN HELP US GET CERTIFICATES TO THOSE THAT ARE NOT HERE TODAY , THEY'LL BE SUPER APPRECIATED. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT IT . AGAIN, THERE WERE THINGS THAT DID NOT GO RIGHT. I HAVE DONE MY SHARE OF TALKING ABOUT THAT. TODAY IS ALL ABOUT RAISING THOSE THAT DID DO IT RIGHT AND WHO STEPPED UP AND WENT THE EXTRA MILE , DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE FACT THAT ROADS WERE CLOSED OR THINGS WERE DONE. HE GOT OUT THERE AND YOU DID WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE FINAL COUNT WAS. 
          IT WAS WELL OVER 1000 SEA TURTLES. I BELIEVE IT WAS 1100. 
          THAT IS AMAZING. THESE ARE ENDANGERED SPECIES. THESE ARE SPECIES THAT NEED TO BE PROTECTED. PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS, WHEN IT FREEZES, IF YOU ARE NOT THERE, THEY DIED. 
          THE COYOTES GET THEM. THEY FREEZE, BECAUSE THEY GET PARALYZED. I AM EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT MORE ON THIS. IT IS FUN TO TALK ABOUT IT. THEY GET COLDEST ON. THEY GET PARALYZED. YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE DEAD, BECAUSE THEY FLOAT, BUT THEY ARE NOT. SOMETIMES IT TAKES A COUPLE OF DAYS FOR THEM TO BE REVIVED AND COME BACK TO LIFE. IT IS SUCH A COOL THING THAT YOU ALL DID. I REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND BRING YOU AND TO SAY THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, THEY CAN. I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT , BUT AGAIN, I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR HELPING WITH THIS VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COASTLINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
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          >> WE WERE READY. WE HAD TO PULL SOME STRINGS OF THE LAST-MINUTE WITH BRISCOE, BUT WE HAD DONE A TRIAL RUN USING BRISCOE ABOUT A YEAR OR 2 YEARS AGO AS A LAST RESORT . WE HAD ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING. WHEN MARY KAY CALLED ME ON MONDAY NIGHT, OR 4 PM ON MONDAY, SHE WANTED ME TO GET IT OPEN. I WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WILL MY PEOPLE, IT IS A HOLIDAY. WE CAME IN ON TUESDAY AND GOT IT GOING. WE STARTED ON 7:30. MOST EVERYBODY MADE IT OUT WITHOUT AN ACCIDENT, DRIVING OVER ICY ROADS. WE FIGURED OUT THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY, NEVER CALLED UPON, THAT WE COULD PROBABLY GET 800 TO 2000 SEA TURTLES IN THERE AND GET THEM WARMING UP UNTIL WE NEEDED TO TRANSPORT THEM TO THE AQUARIUM WITH THE SEA LIFE CENTER. THEY WERE AT CAPACITY. 
          IT IS ALL ABOUT FLOORSPACE. YOU CANNOT PUT A COZY TURTLE IN THE TEAM. YOU HAVE TO GET THEM WARMED UP AND REVIVED. YOU CANNOT RELEASE HIM UNTIL THE VETERINARIAN CHECKS THEM OUT. 
          SOMETIMES I PROCESS IS VERY SHORT, SOMETIMES IT IS VERY LENGTHY. ALSO, HEATHER, ARE YOU ONLINE? YOU CAN CHIME IN. SHE WAS HAVING INTERNET PROBLEMS. THERE ARE COUPLE OF OUR AFFILIATES ONLY WORK WITH THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH N.O.A.A. 
          THAT CAME TO TEXAS AND HELPED US OUT. LINDSAY AND HEATHER WERE THOSE FEW PEOPLE. ONE IS FROM MISSISSIPPI AND ONE IS FROM LOUISIANA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL KNOW THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO DO TURTLE CONTROLS EVERY DAY DURING THE SUMMER WHEN WE RUN HEAVY EQUIPMENT. IT IS PART OF OUR CORE PERMIT. AS YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT WILL GET ESCALATED WITH WHAT WE ARE CALLED UPON TO DO WITH THIS NEXT SEASON. DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? TO WHAT DID NOT MENTION AGENCIES, IF YOU WILL MENTION WHO YOU ARE WITH, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU. THIS WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BY SO MANY GROUPS. I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO MENTION ALL OF THE GROUPS. I KNOW I HAVE LEFT THEM OUT. IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO MY LIST, PLEASE FEEL FREE. THANK YOU FOR 
          BEING HERE. >> IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO THINK OF EVERYBODY. THERE ARE SO MANY THAT COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK'S AND ARE TRAINED, AND PITCH IN. MY NAME IS MARY KAY. I WORK HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI FOR U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICES. MY WHOLE CAREER HAS BEEN ON THE TEXAS COAST AND IN SOUTH TEXAS. U.S. 
          FISH AND WILDLIFE MISSION IS WORKING WITH OTHERS TO CONSERVE, PROTECT, AND ENHANCE, FISH, WILDLIFE, AND PLANS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I WANT TO FOCUS ON WORKING WITH OTHERS. IN MY ALMOST 30 YEARS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, THERE ARE FEW PARTNERS THAT HAVE BEEN AS PRODUCTIVE AND EASY TO WORK WITH AS SCOTT CROSS AND NUECES COUNTY. FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW EXAMPLES . SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I WAS APPROACHED BY AN EAGLE SCOUT THAT WANTED TO DO HIS SERVICE PROJECT ON BURROWING OWLS. I ASKED SCOTT, THAT SOMETHING THAT NUECES COUNTY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. HE SAYS, I HAVE THE PERFECT SPOT. TODAY, WE HAVE BURROWING OWLS USING OUR ARTIFICIAL BURROWS ON COUNTY LAND. EVERY YEAR WE HAVE OWLS THERE THAT THE EAGLE SCOUT CONSTRUCTED. IN 2021, WHEN THAT TERRIBLE WINTER STORM CAUSED THE DEATH OF MANY THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF SEA TURTLES, I ASKED SCOTT TO HELP WITH AN URGENT PROBLEM, HOW TO PROPERLY DISPOSE OF DEAD SEASONALS THAT ARE ENDANGERED . HE SAID, I HAVE THE PERFECT SPOT FOR THAT . 
          WITHIN 24 HOURS , SCOTT GATHERED THE PERMITS AND THE APPROVALS FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL STATE AND COUNTY REGULATIONS . HE PROVIDED THE FINAL RESTING PLACE FOR OVER 5000 SEA TURTLES THAT HAD PERISHED. IN 2022 , A VERY CASUALLY MENTIONED TO SCOTT THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF OUR COMMUNITY COULD GET THE STATE DESIGNATION AS THE WORLD WAR II HERITAGE CITY ? HE SAYS THAT IS A PERFECT FIT FOR US. HE RAN WITH IT. TODAY, THE COASTAL BAND IS THE WORLD WAR II HERITAGE CITY FOR THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS, HONORING OUR FASCINATING US PROUD. A FEW MONTHS AGO, I ASKED SCOTT IF THE COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THE DRAWING FOR SEASONALS THAT ARE NESTING DURING THE SUMMER? HE SAID I HAVE THE PERFECT STAFF FOR THAT. AND OF COURSE, THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE TWO WEEKS AGO, I ASKED SCOTT IF HE COULD 
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HELP US FIND A TEMPORARY WARMING CENTER FOR SEA TURTLES . I NEEDED IT IN ABOUT 12 HOURS DURING AN ICE STORM. YOU GUESSED IT, HE SAYS, I HAVE THE PERFECT SPOT FOR THAT. ON BEHALF OF THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE AND NOAA FISHERIES, AND ALL OTHER PARTNERS, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION FOR OUR SUCCESSFUL PARTNERSHIP . EVEN MORE WORTHY OF PRAISE IS THE ONGOING PARTNERSHIP AND SUPPORT FROM NUECES COUNTY, ESPECIALLY THE COASTAL PARKS DIRECTOR, SCOTT CROSS FOR ALWAYS STEPPING UP TO WORK WITH STATE AGENCIES TO PROTECT OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. FOR THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SCOTT AND I TALKED ABOUT , WE WANT TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND ALL OF THESE PARTNERS, AND COME UP WITH PLAN B FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO FILL THE GAP . I AM TRYING TO MAKE THIS ALL NICE TODAY, BUT TO FILL THE GAP THAT WE HAVE HERE LOCALLY TO DO IT. THE FORTUNATE THING IS, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY . ALSO, WE HAVE THIS GREAT TEXAS SEA LIFE CENTER. IN THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM, WE WERE AT THE PARK BOARD MEETING. WE HAVE THE PASSION OF THE AQUARIUM TALKING ABOUT THIS BIG FACILITY THAT THE AQUARIUM HAS , THAT CAN BE USED FOR HOUSING THE SEA TURTLES IN A LONG-TERM SITUATION. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE ARE SO MANY RESOURCES HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . WE DON'T HAVE TO GO AT IT ALONE. WE ALL HAVE EXCESS MONEY LAYING AROUND. WITH ALL THESE PARTNERS INVOLVED, WE DO PLAN ON SITTING DOWN VERY SOON AND WORKING WITH ALL OF THEM . IF YOU WERE THERE WATCHING THEM DO THEIR THING ON SATURDAY, THAT WAS PHENOMENAL. THEY HAVE A NINJA TURTLES ONE. 
          WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE IN BLACK. IT WAS AWESOME TO WATCH THEM. 
          THEY HAVE TAKEN CARE OF SO MANY. WE WANT TO COME BACK TO THE COURTS. THIS IS MY PRECURSOR TO THAT, WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          WE CANNOT HAVE BETTER PARTNERS AND WE DO WITH U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE AT NOAA, AND THE SEA LIFE CENTER, AND THE AQUARIUM. 
          AND EVERYBODY I HAVE PROBABLY FORGOTTEN, AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MARY KAY. THANK YOU FOR THE 
          ACKNOWLEDGMENT. >> THANK YOU ALL, THANK YOU FOR 
          WHAT YOU DID FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> COMMISSIONER MIKE PUSLEY? 
          >> YES, I WANT TO EXTEND MY SINCERE THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED. I THE HONOR OF SERVING ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE TEXAS AQUARIUM. IN THE MEETING LAST WEEK, WHEN THE MEETING WAS DONE, THEY TOOK US ON A TOUR AT THE RESCUE CENTER OF ALL THE TURTLES THAT THEY WERE HOUSING. YOU'RE RIGHT, THE FLOORSPACE IS A BIG ISSUE. THAT THE WHOLE GROUND FLOOR OF THAT FACILITY FULL OF TANKS THAT WERE FULL OF TURTLES. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE SQUEEZED ANOTHER TURTLE IN THERE WITH A SHOEHORN. IT IS AMAZING, THE WORK OF THE EFFORTS THAT GO INTO THIS. THEY SHOW US HOW, AT THE MEETING , HOW WE ARE GETTING MORE SOPHISTICATED AT FINDING THE TURTLES BEFORE THEY PERISH. 
          THEY ARE EVEN USING DRONES , AND SPECIAL PHOTOGRAPHY TO FIND THEM , SO THEY CAN RESCUE THEM BEFORE THEY EXPIRE. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU. IT IS GREAT WORK. IT IS A GREAT COST. WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> WE HAVE CERTIFICATES THAT PATIENT WILL GET YOU. WE WOULD LOVE TO TAKE A PHOTO WITH YOU GUYS AS WELL . COME ON YOU GUYS, YOU REALLY DID A GREAT JOB. WE ARE PROUD OF YOU. LET'S DO A PHOTO. 
          [G. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.]
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          >> WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. I DID RECEIVE A MESSAGE FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAD TO LEAVE THAT WANTED TO BE ADDED. WHEN WE PICK THIS UP? IS IT STILL OUTSIDE ON THE TABLE? IT IS IN THE BACK OF THE COURTROOM. THAT IS WHY THEY DID NOT SEE IT. I WANT TO CLARIFY TO MAKE SURE. THEY SAID WE PICKED IT UP EARLY. FIRST IN PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAVE KATHY WIMMER . 
          >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES MA'AM. AS FOR I KNOW YOU CANNOT SEE ME. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE , WE ARE SO VERY FORTUNATE , TOOK A LONG TIME COMING, BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE MARKET DIVISION WITH THC BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN TEXAS. WE HOPE TO GET BACK TO TEXAS WHEN THE FABRIC COMING BACK TO HOPEFULLY, CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS. IT IS IN KENTUCKY NOW. THEY ARE COMING IN FAST AND FURIOUS. THE FIRST MARKER DEDICATION IS THIS SUNDAY FOR ANNA MORRIS WHEN. WE PUT UP A FLYER YOU WILL BE 2:00 AT OLD BAYVIEW CEMETERY. WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU THERE, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. I KNOW IT IS A SUNDAY. 
          SHE WAS A VERY IMPORTANT PERSON IN OUR COMMUNITY OUR TIME. SHE PERHAPS WROTE THE BEST HISTORICAL RENDITION OF EARLY CORPUS CHRISTI. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL OUT THERE. THANK YOU. THAT IS IT. I'LL GIVE YOU ALL POSTED ON THE OTHERS. FOR 
          NOW WE HAVE SUZANNE GALLAGHER. >> GOOD MORNING YOU ALL. MY NAME IS SUZANNE GALLAGHER. I LIVE IN NUECES COUNTY WHEN SHE OUT OF CITY LIMITS. I'M EUROPE IS ANY CONCERN CITIZENS AND CALALLEN. 
          IT WAS ONE YEAR AGO WE LEARN OF THE PLANS TO BUILD THE MONEY PLAN BETWEEN OUR TWO COMMUNITIES. SINCE THEN, THEY CHANGED OUR NAME TO NUECES CLEAN HYDROGEN TO TRY TO GET AROUND THE CONTESTED CASE HEARINGS OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY . THE ATTEMPT TO SOFTEN OBJECTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. WE THOUGHT THEY CAN CALL IT WHAT THEY WANT, OR SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY, BUT IT IS A DANGEROUS CLASS STORY DEADLY AMMONIA IN THE MIDST OF TWO COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND WORK. THEY ALSO STILL REFUSED TO DISCLOSE THE ACTUAL WATER USAGE. THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS PROTECT WHAT THEY KNOW WITH US. CONTINUES TO RESEARCH AND ATTEND AS MANY MEETINGS AS POSSIBLE, SO WE CAN LEARN AND EDUCATE CITIZENS ABOUT WHO WANTS TO BRING THIS THING HERE, AND WHAT AND WHO WOULD NOT BENEFIT? HOW THE LOCAL AGENCIES DO AND DO NOT WORK TOGETHER, AND HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE REGARDING THE REGION'S SHARE OF WATER SUPPLY. IT IS PRETTY COMPLICATED. ONE THING SEEMS OBVIOUS, THE DAYS OF BUSINESS AS USUAL ARE OVER. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAND OVER OUR PRECIOUS WATER TO THE FOREIGN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD PET PROJECTS, AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USERS THAT PAY VIRTUALLY NOTHING FOR IT, AND HAVE ZERO INCENTIVE TO CONSERVE. IT IS I PROMISE TO QUIT PRETENDING THERE IS A MAGIC ONCE MORE THAT CAN BE WAIVED TO FIX OUR WATER PROBLEM. WE HAVE SOLD MORE THAN WE HAVE. ASKING RESIDENTS TO TAKE SHORTER SHOWERS WHILE INDUSTRY RAPIDLY 
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CONSUMES THREE QUARTERS OF OUR WATER IS LIKE FIDDLING WITH WEATHERSTRIPPING WHILE THE FRONT DOOR IS WIDE OPEN. ALL RESIDENTS IN THE AREA SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY OF OUR WATER PROBLEM AND BE PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION . IT IS TIME FOR ALL OF US TO STEP UP AND STAND UP TO THOSE THAT WOULD LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS ABOVE THE WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS. STEWARDSHIP IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MANAGING AND PROTECTING RESOURCES FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. IT MEANS BEING PROACTIVE IN PLANNING FOR THE LONG-TERM NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT SHOULD BE ALL OF OUR NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC, THAT DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON. 
          [1.  Receive information from the Nueces County Appraisal District on the taxing entities' budget allocation process.]
BEFORE WE START ON THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP I DON'T THREE, WE HAVE RONNIE. I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO SIT HERE AND YOUR STAFF TO WAY TOO LONG. THIS IS THE RECEIVING INFORMATION FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT ON THE TAXING ENTITIES, BUDGET ALLOCATION PROCESS . I DO BELIEVE YOU HAVE, IN YOUR PRACTICE , AND EXPLANATION. I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH KEVIN YESTERDAY . I AM VERY SORRY THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA WHEN I HAD TO LEAVE. HE SENT ME THIS INFORMATION, AND I DO NOT BRING THIS ITEM UP AT THE TIME. IT IS A STATUTE. THEY ARE DOING EXACTLY THE WAY THE PROCESS SHOULD GO. COMMISSIONER BRENT CHESNEY , IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, HE IS HERE. AS FOR YES, I DO. THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THAT, THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY THAT WE QUIT GETTING STUCK WITH HAVING TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET AFTER THE BUDGET. WHETHER THAT IS A BETTER ESTIMATE, OR SOMETHING WORKING WITH THE AUDITOR . WHEN WE PASS THE BUDGETS , WE HAVE TO GO FIND EXTRA MONEY, IF IT COMES BACK AS EXTRA MONEY. I GET THAT TAXING ENTITIES , THEY DON'T FINISH YOUR LEVIES UNTIL A CERTAIN TIME. THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO GIVE US AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF, THIS IS WHAT IT IS LOOKING LIKE. 
          IT WILL NOT BE IN STONE. EVERY TIME WHEN TO COME BACK AND FIND EXTRA MONEY THAT WE HAVE NOT PUT IN THE BUDGET, THAT PROVIDES US THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. WHEN I WAS VISITING WITH THE INTERIM AUDITOR, SHE DID NOT UNDERSTAND HOW OUR ALLOCATION HAD GONE UP WHEN OTHERS DIDN'T. PART OF THIS IS TO SPLINTING THE PROCESS TO THE PUBLIC. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT A BETTER WAY TO DO THINGS. IT IS NOT SOMETHING , ANYBODY CAN GO FIND IT , BUT WE ARE PRETTY TIGHT AROUND HERE. WE RUN LEAN AT NUECES COUNTY. I GET THAT OTHERS DON'T RUN AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE DO OR AS LEAN AS WE DO , BUT WE DO. THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF WAY, WHETHER IT IS INFORMAL OR FORMAL THAT THE DISTRICT CAN GET WITH THE AUDITOR , AND THE SOON-TO-BE NEW BUDGET OFFICER THAT WE WILL LIKELY HIGHER, SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW , BUT BASED ON 25 YEARS OF HISTORICAL DATA, THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE. YOU NEED TO BUDGET IN. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS TO HAVE THE ENTITIES WORKING TOGETHER. THERE HAS TO BE SOME INFORMAL PROCESS THAT WE CAN GO TO, FOREVER, NOT JUST THIS YEAR, BUT FOREVER THAT'S AS HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOUR ALLOCATION WAS THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR. THIS IS WHAT THE LEVIES LOOK LIKE. YOU HAVE THESE FORMULAS . YOU HAVE THIS IDEA EVERY YEAR OF HOW MANY PROTESTS WILL BE HEARD AND HOW MANY WILL BE OVERTURNED. THERE IS DATA FOR EVERYTHING. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING WHERE WE DON'T GET STUCK WITH THE BILL EVERY YEAR AFTER THE BUDGET IS COMPLETED. IS THERE NOT A WAY 
          THAT WE CAN DO THAT? >> WE DO RELY ON THE LEVY . WHEN 
          YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT LEVY . >> CAN YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE 
          UP? >> I WILL START OVER. PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IS THAT MY STATUTE, WE HAD TO WAIT ON , WHEN YOU COMPLETE YOUR TAX LEVY. YOU HAVE A TAX WRITE, AND THEN THE LEVY. WITHOUT THE LEVY, WE CANNOT GIVE YOU, OTHER THAN JUST AN ESTIMATE. WE DO THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE. AND THEN WHEN THE TIME REALLY DOES COME , WE ARE AT THE LAST MINUTE, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CORRECT INFORMATION. POSSIBLY, WHAT WE 
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CAN DO IN THE FUTURE IS, JUST LIKE WHAT WE DO FOR ESTIMATING WHAT WILL BE COMING IN BETWEEN THE MONTHS OF APRIL THROUGH JULY FOR CERTIFICATION. NORMALLY WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH MOST ENTITIES IS PART OF WHAT PERCENTAGE YOU ARE GOING UP, OR WHAT PERCENTAGE OF VALUE YOU WILL BE COMING DOWN BY THE TIME YOU CERTIFY JULY. WE COULD DO THE SAME THING AGAIN. AGAIN, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU SET THE LEVY. THAT IS WHEN WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBERS WILL BE. WE CAN GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE PRIOR TO THAT , BUT IT WILL BE THE SAME THING. IT WILL GIVE YOU AN INCREASE OR DECREASE. SOME OF THE ENTITIES THAT GO DOWN , BUT OTHERS WENT UP. IT IS BASED ON THE LEVY, NOT ON WHAT WE DO. 
          >> WRITES , SO TO HISTORICALLY, THERE HAS TO BE DATA THAT CAN GIVE US A BETTER ESTIMATE. IT SEEMS LIKE, MAYBE I AM MISTAKEN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IN RECENT YEARS, WE HAVE CONTINUALLY, LAST ANDRE WARE, BUT WE GO BACK AND FIND EXTRA MONEY FOR THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE. WITH LOCAL OUT OF RESERVES. WE ARE ALREADY DOWN ON RESERVES. HOW CAN WE BETTER DO THAT? THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO BE ABLE JUST TO THAT, WE WANT TO SPEND. YOU NEED BETTER INFO? HOW DO WE DO THIS ? CAN WE NOT SAY, WE KNOW WILL BE BEST, BUT YOU MAY WANT TO PLUG IN AN EXTRA 2% OR 3%? I WOULD RATHER GO OVER AND HAVE IT, THEN HAVE TO GO FIND HER. WE WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER $80,000, WE COULD HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THAT DURING THE BUDGET. FOR TERESA, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT HOW WE'VE 
          DONE THIS EVERY YEAR? 5 YEARS? >> MAYBE THAT IS ON OUR END IN AUDITING AND BUDGETING, WE SHOULD JUST BUDGET MORE. 
          >> WE ESTIMATE FROM THE PROPOSED NUMBER THAT THEY GIVE US. 
          EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONERS THINK, WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO INCREASE AN ADDITIONAL 5% OR 10% ON THAT NUMBER. THE AMOUNT WILL NOT BE KNOWN UNTIL THEY RECEIVE OUR TEXT NUMBER. AS FOR THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS ALL ON US. IT IS NOT ANYTHING THEY CAN PROVIDE. FOR AS THEY COULD. THEY HAVE HISTORICAL DATA, JUST LIKE WE DO. THEY CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE, THIS IS THE PROJECTION, AND EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST FIVE , IT'S BEEN 5% MORE . YOU NEED TO ASK FOR THIS. THERE HAS TO BE A COOPERATIVE EFFORTS TO DO IT. 
          WE CAN JUST HAVE A POLICY AND SAY, ANYTHING THEY ASKED US FOR, WE WILL ASK FOR 10% MORE. BE THAT EASY. JUST HIRE SOMEONE TO KEEP GOING BACK AND ASKING FOR MORE. INFORMATION IS GREAT, WE WOULD'VE HAD THIS ORIGINALLY. I DO APPRECIATE IT, YOU ARE GONE. 
          I HAD IT, AND I SHOULD'VE PULLED IT UP BEFORE I LEFT. THAT IS ON 
          ME . >> THIS WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ON A REGULAR BASIS. SOME OF THESE ARE REDUNDANT QUESTIONS. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO NOT GO BACK INTO IT. THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, RELATED TO THIS IS , HOW DO WE DEAL WITH, IN A BETTER FASHION, THE CONSTANT DISPUTES BETWEEN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, AND THE REFINERIES ? TWO MONTHS AGO, THE NEARLY BANKRUPT US. IF WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN ADVANCE, WE COULD'VE GONE OF THE LEGISLATURE. WE COULD'VE DONE MORE DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THAT WE ARE IN NOW. THE REASON I'M ASKING IS WE ARE IN LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THOSE CONTINUE, I'M NOTHING THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT. THAT IS NOT MY BUSINESS. WHEN THEY HAPPENED, WITH THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THEY HAPPENED TWO BUDGETS AGO, WE WERE LOOKING AT FIVE DOLLARS A WAY TO CUT. WE WERE LOOKING AT $30 MILLION . THE JUDGE CAME IN, SHE SAID OH MY GOD, WHAT I GOT INTO? IF WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, IN ADVANCE, WE COULD'VE DONE SOMETHING. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO LEGISLATIVELY? NOW IS THE TIME . 
          IF THERE SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN GET BETTER COMMUNICATION, I KNOW YOU HAVE SEVEN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY TO COMMUNICATE WAS. THAT PUT US IN ALMOST AN INSURMOUNTABLE POSITION TO COME BACK FROM. HAD WE KNOWN SOME OF THAT, WE COULD'VE DONE DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE BUDGETING. HOW CAN WE DO BETTER ON THAT? WE GET BETTER OR MORE INFORMATION, OR WHATEVER? WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO NOT PUT OURSELVES IN THAT SPOT? FOR IT IS PHYSICALLY, NOT DOING ANYTHING. THE LEGISLATURES ARE CAUGHT UP WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ARE TIED IN TO THE BIG MONEY. BIG MONEY IS YOUR 
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REFINERIES. THEY CONTROL A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO HERE, IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THE NUMBERS WE HIRED , WITH THE REFINERIES AT THAT TIME , THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH ON MARKET VALUE. BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW WHEN THE BOARD HELD THE NUMBER , WE FELT OUR BEST BET WAS TRYING TO TO WORK WITH THEM. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ARE DEALING WITH GOLIATH VERSUS DAVID. THE THING IS, THESE GUYS HAVE A LOT MORE RESOURCES , AND A LOT MORE MONEY. THEY LOOK INTO OUR BUDGET TO SEE WHAT KIND OF MONEY WE HAVE ON OUR LEGAL PART. THEY GO FROM THERE. ALL THEY DO IS, THEY DRAG EVERYTHING OUT, UP TO THE POINT WHERE THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT, AND THEY CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS WHO THEY ARE AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. I KNOW WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS . YOUR LEGISLATURES, KEVIN TRIED TO ABOUT THE LEGISLATION TO PASS SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD BE SET ASIDE. THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE AND IT HASN'T DONE ANYTHING YET. YOU MIGHT TRY AGAIN THIS YEAR. AGAIN, TO TO COME FROM YOU ALL IS WELL. KEVIN TRIED, DURING A SPECIAL SESSION , A HAIL MARY, WHEN WE JUST MISSED THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, HE THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING WE COULD DO DURING LEGISLATIVE SESSION. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THERE ANY EFFORTS BEING MADE? I AM NOT WEIGHING IN ON THE DISPUTE. THAT IS BETWEEN YOU AND THE REFINERIES. THAT IS NOT MY ISSUE. MY ISSUE IS, HOW DO I PROTECT NUECES COUNTY TAXPAYERS FROM GETTING SHORTED, BECAUSE OF THIS DISPUTE . THERE HAS TO BE LAW, OR SOMETHING, AND ANYTHING LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW. WE ARE IN SESSION . THAT DOES NOT PROHIBIT YOU FROM FEELING PRESSURE TO IF YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO DISPUTE IT, THAT IS YOUR JOB, THAT'S NOT MY JOB TO LOOK AT THAT. NOTHING IS ON MY JOB, BUT THAT IS WHAT YOUR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY IS. NOTHING YOU SHOULD NOT DISPUTE WITH THEM. I'M NOTHING YOU SHOULD. 
          I'M SAYING WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, YOU ALL HAVE TO BE A PLAYER IN THIS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE LAWS OF THIS. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO. SOMEBODY NEEDS IS A DOWN RIGHT NOW WITH KEVIN, AND THE BOARD, AND SAY WHAT CAN WE DO THAT ALL THE ENTITIES CAN GET BEHIND THAT WILL HELP PROTECT DELMAR , AND ALL OF THE ONES AFFECTED , ALL THOSE AFFECTED BY THESE REFINERIES AND THEIR DISPUTES, SO THAT WHILE YOU ARE DISPUTING, WE DON'T GET HOSED ON THE TAX IMPLICATIONS, LIKE WE DID TWO BUDGETS AGO. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE POSITION YOU'RE IN , THAT COULD HELP US, WHILE YOU GO FIGHT YOUR FIGHT? THAT IS THE QUESTION. NOW IS THE TIME. DO WE HAVE ANY LAW THAT WE DID GO TO THE LEGISLATURE, THAT THE REFINERIES WOULD NOT FIGHT? I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO YOUR FIGHT, TRYING TO HELP NUECES COUNTY NOT GET INTO A BUDGET SHORTFALL THAT IS FOR RENT AS . DELMAR, AND OTHER ENTITIES WERE AFFECTED. YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AT ALL THAT WE CAN DO? AS FOR THE ONLY THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS FOR THE LOSS OF CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE IT? ONE OF THEM IS THE ONE THAT KEVIN TRIED TO PASS. I'M SURE HE WILL TRY AGAIN THIS SESSION. 
          >> DO YOU REMEMBER , IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE TOP DOWN? TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SET ASIDE, AND WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE NORMAL CERTIFICATION OF NUMBERS. THAT WAY THE CERTIFIED NUMBERS CAN PROCEED TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR BUDGET. 
          IN THE OTHER CASE, THEY WOULD BE SET ASIDE, IT WOULD BE WORKED OUT DIFFERENTLY. UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. 
          >> HAS YOUR BOARD , GUESS I WOULD ASK, WHEN YOU PASS RESOLUTION, BUT WE ALL NEED TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE, RIGHT? KEVIN IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD NOW, RIGHT? YOU ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW THIS THE MOST. YOU DEAL WITH THE LOSS. WE WANT TO PUT A RESOLUTION FORWARD TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, OR ANYONE ELSE THAT EVERYBODY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH. THAT WILL GO THROUGH FASTER. IF IT BECOMES A LOCAL BILL , BECAUSE THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT SAYS THIS IS THE WAY WE NEED TO DO IT, AND WE SUPPORT THAT , BECAUSE IT WILL HELP US AND THE REFINERIES FIGHT IT, BECAUSE IT WILL NOT DIMINISH THEIR ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT, THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. HOW WE DO THAT? FOR I AM NOT TALK TO KEVIN OR THE BOARD ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ME IN, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK, RIGHT? THE PROBLEM IS, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN THE COUNTY HAS AN OVERALL BUDGET OF $10 MILLION . EVERY APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS THE SAME PROBLEM. I DID LOOK AT 254 
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COUNTIES. IF YOU SAY THE 97,000 PEOPLE PER COUNTY, WHICH IS THE AVERAGE, YOU ARE HITTING ABOUT $2 BILLION IN COST FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS BY RUNNING THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THAT IS NOT COUNTING, THE BOARDS THAT ARE FREE. THAT IS IS NOT COUNTING THE LAWSUITS WERE PEOPLE COME AND SPEND THEIR TIME. THAT IS NOT A PROTEST WORK OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND PROTEST ON ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF. THAT IS YOUR NUMBERS OF THE BUILDINGS, THE TRUCK, THE APPRAISERS, THE PAPERWORK, DOWN TO REMODELING THE FLOOR, OR WHATEVER. YOU HAVE A HUGE BUDGET. I TRY TO GET SOME NUMBERS FROM THE STATE. I STARTED TO TALK ABOUT IT, AND THEY KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW . THEY GET INTO THEIR OWN NUMBERS. EVERY DEPARTMENT GETS IN THEIR OWN NUMBERS, LIKE WE DO. EVERY DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT THE LITTLE STUFF WHERE THEY CAN SAVE MONEY. WITH THE NEW LEGISLATION, WE HAVE A 10% LIMIT IF YOU ARE A HOMEOWNER. YOU HAVE A 20% AUTOMATIC IF YOU ARE UNDER 5 MILLION, AND IF YOU ARE ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL ENTITY . 
          INDUSTRY FIGHTS ANYWAY. THEY ARE VALUES OF 2011 OR 2009. YOU HAVE IN-HOUSE COUNSEL TO FIGHT IT. THEY JUST COST US MONEY . THE BIG LAND OWNERS ARE EXEMPT. IT BARELY LEAVES ANYONE. WE ARE PAINTING APPRAISAL DISTRICTS TO GO OUT TO DO WORK, WITHIN THE 10% PERCENTAGE HE, ANYWAY, AND ANYTHING, THAT WE CAN CALCULATE WITH THE COMPUTER, MORE OR LESS, EASILY. WE CAN SAY INFLATIONARY DYING, THAT IS WHAT SHOULD GO UP. WE ARE USING OVER $2 BILLION. THAT IS THE LOWEST NUMBER YOU CAN COME UP WITH. TO DO THIS ON THE BUREAUCRATIC SYSTEM . THE STATE OF TEXAS AS PEOPLE IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE THAT ARE TAX CONSULTANTS, AND HAVE BEEN SO FOR 30 YEARS. THE MORE COMPLICATED THE LOG GETS, THE BETTER FOR THEM . I DO THINK, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT LEGISLATION, AND YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE AN IMPACT, YOU GIVE THE COUNTIES, AND YOU LOOK AT THE WASTE OF MONEY THERE. I KNOW, RONNIE AND THE STAFF ARE TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST WITHIN THEIR PARAMETERS. THE COST WILL GO UP. THE NEW LEGISLATION, THE PEOPLE THAT GOT VOTED IN, THE ELECTION COST YOU BETWEEN $1 MILLION AND $2 MILLION. THAT IS CRAZY, RIGHT? WE HAVE ANOTHER THING THAT WE ARE PRAYING THAT HAS BEEN PUT BACK ON ALL OF US. 
          EVERYONE USES IN YOUR HAS PAID FOR THAT. WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE. I HAVE TRIED TO TALK AND THEY ARE RECEPTIVE ON THEM. HE SAYS HOW CAN WE RUN THE NUMBERS. I SAID THE SIMPLE MATH IS 254 COUNTIES. THAT IS THE NUMBER. GOVERNMENT HAS A BUDGET. 
          WE CAN RUN THE NUMBERS. WE CAN RUN THE NUMBERS OF WHAT IT COSTS US TO THE CONSUMERS AND THE RESIDENTS TO GO INTO PROTEST. IT IS A MINIMUM OF FIVE HOURS WORK FOR ANYONE TO PROTEST A HOUSE, IF NOT MORE. CALCULATE THAT ON TIME AND MONEY SPENT. YOU HAVE ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS THERE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF TEXAS. IF YOU TALK ABOUT LEGISLATIVE CHANGE, THAT IS THE WAY TO GO. EVERYTHING ELSE IS DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE , WHERE YOU TURN YOUR BUDGETS UP AND DOWN. WE DO NOT CHANGE THE LAW THAT THE INDUSTRY IS PAYING MUCH MORE, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAPPEN. IF THEY CAN LEGALLY FIGHT IT, THEY WILL ALWAYS BE ON A BETTER PLATFORM. IF YOU ARE CHANGING IT SO THAT RESIDENTS PAY MORE , JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE ONE GOOD YEAR SALES , IT IS AN ARBITRARY SYSTEM, WERE PEOPLE THAT DON'T PROTEST GET SCREWED. 
          WITH ALL OF THESE RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE , IT IS TIME TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT SYSTEM , THAT IS NOT COST THE CITY AND THE COUNTIES , AND THE STATE ITSELF, THAT MUCH MONEY. I THINK WE ARE LOSING A LOT OF SITES, IF WE ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT, HOW CAN WE SAVE $50 HERE IN $100 THERE? IT IS PRUDENT, AND NECESSARY, AS OF RIGHT NOW, BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO START LOBBYING TO SAY, HOW CAN WE REALLY REFORM THE SYSTEM IN THAT RESPECT? THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING ELSE BELOW TO NINE DOLLARS IN THE FUTURE. WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND THAT, IF WE PUT THE SYSTEM TOGETHER IN A DIFFERENT WAY. THANK YOU. FOR THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. THAT IS THE BIG PICTURE, RIGHT? I 
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DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW BELIEVES THAT CHARGE. ONE OF THE SENATORS, ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN SO HEAVY ON TAX REFORM, AND THEY ARE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT IT AGAIN THIS TIME, BUT THAT IS A GREAT COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START ON THAT ONE. WHERE I AM STARTING IS HERE. AS FOR YOU START WITH A TECHNOLOGY FROM THAT CAN RUN THE NUMBERS. 
          YOU START WITH THE TECH I CAN RUN THE NUMBERS. 
          >> I AM SORRY, I DID NOT SEE THE RIGHT, I AM SAYING WHO LEADS THE CHARGE. IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO TO TACK AND THEY NEED TO GET INVOLVED. THIS IS A STATEWIDE ISSUE. THERE HAS TO BE THE ABILITY TO DO LOCAL LEGISLATION, OR SOMETHING THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR PROBLEM AS WELL. YOU ARE 100% RIGHT, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED . WHILE THAT GETS COMMUNICATED AND IT GOES DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE, NO OFFENSE, WHO KNOWS WHERE THAT ENDS UP, I AM WORRIED ABOUT, HOW DO I GET LOCAL LEGISLATION IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS US, BECAUSE MY JOB IS TO TAKE CARE OF NUECES COUNTY, HOW DO WE DO THAT? I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW FROM KEVIN, AND YOUR BOARD ON THAT. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING YOU SAID. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM THAT IT IS OF INTEREST TO US. THE LOCAL INTEREST IS, HOW DO WE GET IT SET UP TO WHILE YOU DISPUTE WITH THE LOCAL REFINERS, WHAT YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO, THAT WE AS ENTITIES DON'T GET SHORTED ON OUR BUDGETS? IT IS TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT MINE MIGHT BE MORE DOABLE AND QUICKER, BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD GET SOME SORT OF LOCAL BILL. I'M LOOKING IS WHERE WE START THAT WORLDWIDE AND REFINERIES ALL I DO, THEN WE CAN SIGN ON TO QUICKLY GO GET TODD AND DENISE, AND ADAM, LOCAL PUBS, GET THEM INVOLVED AND GET IT DONE. THE OTHER THING, THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT ONE, THAT IS AWESOME. FOR KEVIN IS WORKING ON LEGISLATION. HE FILED A BILL. HE IS IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH TACK AS WELL. HE ALSO SERVES ON THE BOARD AS WELL. 
          THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ARE BEING HAD, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER 
          MIKE PUSLEY HAD QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD COVER TWO POINTS HERE. THE FIRST ONE, I WOULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE BUDGET. I AM A BIG FAN OF LOOKING BACK. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO GOING FORWARD FOR THE BUDGETING PROCESS IS WE NEED TO DO THE FIVE OR 10 YEAR LOOK BACK OVER WHAT THE COST HAVE BEEN YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. OUR APPRAISALS , RONNIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, FROM YEAR-TO-YEAR, DON'T CHANGE A GREAT DEAL, UNLESS WE HAVE SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC DOWNTURN. THERE ARE NORMALLY FAIRLY FLAT. WE CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT THE COSTS HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST YEARS THAT WE JUST NEED TO BUDGET SOME PERCENTAGE OF THAT, OR ALL OF THAT . THEY CAN TAKE AROUND A NUMBER AND USE IT IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS , SO WE BUDGET ENOUGH MONEY, SO WE ARE CLOSE. 
          WE ARE AT LEAST IN THE BALLPARK. THAT IS ONE THING. TALKING ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION, AND WHAT WE DO , WE ARE OUTNUMBERED. YOU DID HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE ALL THE TAX CONSULTANTS THAT ARE NOW LEGISLATORS. I WENT OUT OF MY PREVIOUS LIFE AS A COMMISSIONER, TANNER LYTLE GAVE ALL OF US, AT THAT TIME, A COPY OF A DOCUMENT THAT EXPLAINS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LEGISLATURE, WHEN THEY WROTE THE LAWS THAT EXIST NOW THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS DO, AND HOW THE BIGGER CLIENTS, LIKE THE REFINERIES, CAN COME IN, AND SUE THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS , AND AS THE SENATOR WROTE THOSE LAWS. 
          AFTER THE LAWS ARE PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE, HE LEFT THE LEGISLATURE AND OPENED UP A TAX ACCOUNTING FIRM , AND NOW ALL OF THOSE REFINERIES USES FIRM TO SUE THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CREATED THIS. I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA , THAT WE INTRODUCE AND SUPPORT, THROUGH RESOLUTIONS OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, LEGISLATION TO HELP US WITH THIS PROCESS , SO DOES NOT BECOME SO ONE-SIDED . IT NOT ONLY IMPACTS THE COUNTY, BUT IT DOES IMPACT DELMAR COLLEGE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET HIT WITH THIS , IN MY PREVIOUS SERVITUDE ON THE MIDWAY BOARD, WE HAD TO ALWAYS BUDGET TO HAVE SO MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN RESERVE TO COVER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH RESPECT TO THE LAWSUIT THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT AGAINST THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS. 
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I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. WE WANT TO GET A LOT OF MUSCLE BEHIND THAT LEGISLATION. WE ARE OUTNUMBERED UP THERE, YOU GUYS. 
          THE FOLKS THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO ARE A BIG NUMBER AND THEY HAVE A LOUD VOICE IN OUR COMMUNITY . THIS IS THE LEGISLATURE FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS. THE LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON CUTTING PROPERTY TAXES FROM EVERY ANGLE. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE. THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN THIS SESSION JUST LIKE THE LAST TWO. I AM IN FAVOR OF PICKING OUT WHATEVER LEGISLATION WE WANT TO SPORTS AND GET ALL THE MUSCLE WE CAN PUT BEHIND THAT, THE BETTER. WE BETTER GET STARTED EARLY. FOR YOU CAN ALSO GO TO TML WITH THE CITIES. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CHANGING ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, IT IS CUTTING INTO WHAT A COUNTY AND THE CITY CAN DO . EVEN WHAT THE GYNECOLOGIST CAN DO. THE LAWS ARE HAVING A BIGGER IMPACT NOW, BECAUSE THE REVENUE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD 5 YEARS AGO IS NOT THE SAME REVENUE THAT YOU WILL GET LAST YEAR AND THIS COMING YEAR. THE NEW LAW THAT CAME INTO PLAY WAS A CIRCUIT BREAKER. THE ONE THAT GOT ME IS JUST THAT. THAT IS TO THE POINT WHERE ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE $5 MILLION OR LESS, MEANING IF YOU HAVE RENTAL PROPERTY, ALL RIGHT? THEY WILL GET UP TO A 20% DISCOUNT. WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE THAT THE VALUES WILL BE THAT MUCH LESS , THEY DON'T COMPREHEND THAT IT IS THE VALUE THAT COULD HAVE STAYED IN FOR THAT YEAR. BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAW THAT CAME INTO PLAY, IT ORIGINALLY WAS DONE LAST YEAR TO TAKE EFFECT LAST YEAR, BUT IT IS GOOD FOR 3 YEARS. NOW THEY ARE PUSHING ANOTHER LAW WHERE IT MAKES IT PERMANENT. AFTER 3 YEARS, THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN, OR DON'T DO IT ANYMORE. IT IS TWO POINT NOW, WHERE THE STATE IS IN YOUR BACK POCKET. THEY ARE DICTATING WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO, WHETHER YOU ARE A SCHOOL WHERE YOU ARE LIMITED ON THE TAX RATE TO BEGIN WITH. YOUR LIMITED AS TO HOW MANY ACRES YOU CAN DO. EVEN THOUGH YOUR BUDGET MIGHT NOT FIT WHAT YOU NEED. THAT IS THE LAWS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIKE. 
          THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT PASSING AN ADDITIONAL HOMESTEADING SANCTION FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THAT DID PASS A 100,000. THIS YEAR, THEY'RE TRYING TO PASS BETWEEN 120 TO 200,000 FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ONLY? THAT HAS IMPACT. WHEN THEY DID PASS A BILL, IT ALSO DID PASS WHEN THE BUDGET HAD ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED. THAT MEANT THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE MONIES TO HAVE DONE WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO. THEY GO INTO THE RED. HOPEFULLY THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THEY CAN MAKE IT UP. THESE ARE THE LAWS THAT ARE CHANGING. THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX IT, TO WHERE YOU WILL PAY LESS TAXES. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU GET A LOT LESS SERVICES AS TIME GOES. YOU WILL BE LIMITED AS TO WHAT YOU CAN RAISE OR NOT RAISE. THAT MEANS, THE CITY TRIES TO PICK UP , LIKE TWICE WEEK, MY JUST FOR ME. FOR WE HAVE A QUESTION HERE. TO THINK YOU . I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THE SCRIPT THE LAST MEETING, THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN TO ME. THAT IS WHY WE PUSH THIS ITEM. THE JUDGE DID INCLUDE ME IN THE AGENDA PREPARATION. I HAD A BIT MORE BACKGROUND. I DID NOT HAVE THIS DOCUMENT TO HELP EXPLAIN BETTER. I DO APPRECIATE THE DELAY, IT IS AWFUL FOR ALL OF US. IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION ON . I GUESS THE SOONER, THE BETTER. WE ARE HERE , IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED. I KNOW ALWAYS HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS I WANTED TO SHARE. I DO WANT TO THINK OUR FORMER APPOINTEE THAT STILL GIVES OUR VOTES, THAT WAS HERE, ONE OF YOUR BOSSES AND DIRECTORS , AFTER BRINGING STAFF. THIS IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE. THE QUESTION WAS VOICE, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS SO WE CAN PLAN FOR. WE ALWAYS HAVE, AND WE HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB. FOR CONTEXT, LAST YEAR WAS YOUR TRANSITION. WE NOW HAVE AN INTERIM AUDITOR WITH THAT TITLE. THERE WAS TIME THAT WAS BEING USED AS THE PERSON WAS LEAVING. IT WAS THE POOREST TIMING THAT YOU CAN PLAN FOR SOME OF THIS. THIS IS NOT JUST FOR DEBATE, BUT CONTESTS -- CONTEXT. I HOPE WE WILL TAKE ACTION LATER ON THIS AFTERNOON, 
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WHERE WE COULD SELECT OR ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE GOING TO A HIGHER A BUDGET LIAISON PERSON THAT WILL REPRESENT THE COURT. 
          THAT EXTRA SET OF EYES WILL HELP US REALLY MAKE SURE WE ARE ALLOCATING A SET AMOUNT. IT WILL ALWAYS BE AN ESTIMATE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE FINAL NUMBERS . I ATTEST TO, I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND , SOME OF THE ENTITIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THAT. THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO BUILD UP THE BUDGET A BIT EXTRA TO TAKE THAT ON. THE TIMING OF THE NOTICES GO OUT DIFFERENTLY NOW. IT IS STATE LAW. IT IS THE TIMING OF GETTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER. AS OUR PART, WE DID DELAY A BIT. THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PART OF THE PROBLEM AS WELL. WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS, IT IS NOT JUST YOUR PROBLEM, IT IS OUR PROBLEM, COLLECTIVELY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT, IN DEALING WITH THE PUSHBACK THAT WE HAVE ON EVALUATIONS, ON THE LARGER LEVEL, NOT INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN EVALUATIONS, THAT IS WHAT THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE THE ENEMY, THEY ARE GOING WITH THE LAWS OF THEIR PUSHING . IT IS A REALITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF AND WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR. THIS WILL DISTRICTS FEEL AT THE MOST AND SECONDARY, IT IS THE COUNTIES. YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHO TAKES THE BIGGEST PERCENTAGE . IT IS A DISTRICTS AND COUNTIES TO LIVE WHERE YOU HAVE REFINERIES. THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES GOING ON. IN THE END, HOPEFULLY WITH KEVIN WORKING ON THIS, ALONG WITH YOU, YOUR BOARD, AND YOUR STAFF, AND ALL OF US, IF WE CAN HELP SUPPORT A RESOLUTION TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE COST, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THAT. IT DOES FOR THE BIGGER PICTURE. 
          IT DOES CHALLENGE DEALING WITH THE BUDGET. I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU TO REFOCUS ON WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THIS. WE ALL AGREE, WHEN YOU WANT SOMETHING COMING IN UNTIMELY THAT AFFECTS US. WE ARE RUNNING VERY LEAN. WE TAKE PRIDE IN THEM THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS WE CAN, BUT WE ARE HEARING THE NEED OF THE PUBLIC FOR TAX RELIEF. WE DO NEED TO ADD THAT LITTLE QUESTION, THAT WE ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE SOME INCREASE DUE TO THAT TIMING. I WE ARE AWARE OF IT AND WE KNOW ABOUT IT. WITH THE NEW ADDITION TO THE STAFF, HOPEFULLY IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. ONCE IT DOES, WE WILL ALL BE ABLE TO WORK AND BIRD DOG IS A BIT BETTER LATER IN THE YEAR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR OUR DIRECTORS, WE NOW HAVE ELECTED DIRECTORS THAT REPRESENT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND THE FACT THAT GABBY IS HERE TAKING TIME TO BE WITH US, WE APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT OF THE COURT. TO LET ME SEND YOU THINGS. ON MY LEFT, BACK HERE, AS MY ASSISTANT CHIEF DEPUTY. THAT IS LATISSE ROBERTS. WHEN I GOT THERE, SHE IS THERE. IF I AM STILL THERE, SHE IS STILL THERE. ON THE SIDE, YOU HAVE A GABBY, WHO HAS BEEN ONE OF YOUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SHE IS VERY GOOD. SHE IS VERY FRANK AND VERY TRUTHFUL ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. BASICALLY, THAT IS WHAT WE NEED ON THE BOARD, AS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU WILL BE HIRING AN AUDITOR FOR COMMISSIONERS COURT , AND A BUDGET OFFICER. WE WILL BE IN COMMUNICATION. WE WILL BE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THAT PERSON. THAT WILL BE PART OF TRYING TO DO THINGS A BIT BETTER WITH YOU. I HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE JUDGE. THAT WILL STILL CONTINUE. I THINK WITH THE BUDGET DIRECTOR COMING IN, I THINK WE WILL HAVE A BETTER SITUATION AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION IS CONCERNED, AND BRINGING UP WITH IF I WAS TALKED ABOUT, WE CAN LET YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. IT MIGHT BE ESTIMATED ON A HIGHER NUMBER. DURING THE MONTHS OF APRIL THROUGH JULY, WE TEND TO BE CONSERVATIVE ON THE NUMBERS THAT WE GIVE YOU. THAT WAY IN JULY, YOU HAVE A BETTER PERSON TO STAND ON AND GO FROM THERE. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? TO GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. FOR THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. IF IT PLEASES THE COURT, MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS MEETING , IS HAVE KEVIN'S LEGISLATION ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT TO ADD ONTO THAT TO MAKE SURE WHAT THAT LEGISLATION SAYS? AND HAVE SOME ADVICE ON HOW WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT . MAYBE IF WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THAT, WE CAN ADOPT A RESOLUTION AT THE SAME TIME? FOR 
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THE LOBBYISTS ARE AWARE OF THAT, AND KEEPING IN TOUCH WHEN THINGS ARE FILES FOR ME TO GO TO AUSTIN . IT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THEM THAT WE ARE WATCHING AND FOLLOWING THIS, AND SUPPORT THIS. I DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM. 
          FOR I HAVE NOT SEEN IT, LET'S GET A COPY OF IT SO I KNOW WHAT IT SAYS. FOR WILL TO MAKE IT WITH KEVIN TO SEE IF HE'S READY TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO DO A RESOLUTION, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          >> ANYTHING ELSE? FOR COMMISSIONER COMEDY OF ANYTHING? TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. IT IS NICE TO MEET YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE NUECES COUNTY AGAIN. IT IS 
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ALWAYS NICE TO SEE THEM. FOR THANK YOU, HAVE A GOOD DAY. FOR WE WILL GET BACK TO OUR SCHEDULE. WE ARE GOING BACK TO AGE, THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE THE NUECES COUNTY AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD. THERE ARE THREE OPEN POSITIONS . ONE AT-LARGE, THE APPLICATION RECEIVED BY PETER. I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO APPOINT PETER , AND EXTEND THE MOTION TO REOPEN, IS THAT WHAT TARA WANTED US TO DO? THAT IS FOR MY COMMUNICATION. SHE HAS BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF DAYS. FOR WHAT POSITION WOULD YOU BE FILLING? FOR AT-LARGE. I ALSO WOULD DEFER TO YOU , WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE NOT OPEN THIS BACKUP AND BRING IT BACK AS A BOARD APPOINTMENT? THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, I UNDERSTAND, ABOUT POSSIBLY CHANGING THE BOARD TO AT-LARGE TO HELP GET IT FILLED? TO YES, COMMISSIONER MIKE PUSLEY AND I ARE GOING OUT TOMORROW TO VISIT WITH STAFF. GOT A CHANCE TO SIT IN ON THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK . THEY DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM. IT WAS AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION. WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE. MY CONCERN IS MORE LEGAL . MAYBE TARA CAN CHIME IN FROM THE OFFICE. I KNOW WE HAVE BROKEN DOWN THESE POSITIONS TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS . THERE IS ALSO AT-LARGE. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE A PASSION FOR AVIATION THAT COULD HELP US. MAYBE THEY ARE LOCKED IN DUE TO A PARTICULAR PRECINCT THAT HAS BEEN BUILT. IF THERE IS A CHALLENGE IN FINDING THE OTHER PRECINCTS TO FILL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE BE OPENED UP . NOT JUST ONE PARTICULAR PRECINCT OR ANOTHER, ALL OF THEM. ARE THEY CAN COME FROM A PRECINCT , AND IF THERE IS AN APPOINTEE, MAKE IT, IF NOT, OPEN IT UP TO AND AT-LARGE POSITION. I DON'T KNOW THAT SOMETHING WENT TO TAKE ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING BEFORE APPOINTMENT. I LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE MOTION NOW TO JUST ACCEPT ANYONE? WILL THAT TAKE TIME TO WORK THROUGH? FOR IT IS GERMANE, WHY CAN WE MAKE A MOTION AND JUST DO IT? FOR IF YOU DO IT, WILL ADDITIONAL PEOPLE APPLY? IF YOU DO IT TODAY AND EXCEPT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE , WE HAVE IT OPEN. FOR I THINK WE EXCEPT TO APPLIED. HE DID THE RESPONSE, AND THE REMAINING SEATS, I BELIEVE THERE ARE STILL AT LEAST THREE SCENES THAT ARE OPEN. THAT WHICH IS MOVING FORWARD. IS TO CHANGE THE DESCRIPTION TODAY ACCEPT OR REJECT WHOEVER THE APPLICANTS 
          ARE, BASED ON THE NEW POLICY? >> YES. FOR IS NOT THE FIRST ADVISORY BOARD MEETING THERE HAS BEEN FOR THE AIRPORT ADVISORY IN 
          3 YEARS? >> YES. I LIKE PUT ALL OF THE ADVISORY BOARDS ON THE AGENDA TO LOOK AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED THIS. THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS NOT MET AND HOW LONG, THIS IS THE PERSON THEY MET IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAVE THE ADVISORY BOARDS. I KNOW WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN KEEPING THIS ONGOING. I AM OKAY, GIVEN SOME TIME, BUT YOU CAN GET PEOPLE TO APPLY TO THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MEETINGS. WAS ON THEIR THE COLD SAID, WE DON'T MEET, DON'T BE ON THIS BOARD ANYMORE. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO FIND ANYONE FOR MY PRECINCT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET. WILL FACILITY ON A BOARD THAT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. FOR I DID SPEAK TO THE DIRECTOR. THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE DID HAVE THE ONE MEETING AT MY REQUEST. I SAID WE HAD TO START MEETING. I THINK IF WE GET SOME MEMBERS ON 
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THEIR THAT ARE INTERESTED IN AVIATION , I THINK THIS MOVING FORWARD, IT IS REQUIRED THAT THEY MEET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIMES. I THINK THE OVERSIGHTS HAS BEEN NONE. FOR I AM 100% AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE AT-LARGE, WHOEVER APPLIES, SHALL BE FROM THE PRECINCT. HONESTLY, PEOPLE FOR MY PRECINCT WILL NOT BE AS INTERESTED AS PEOPLE IN YOUR PRECINCTS, BECAUSE IT IS OUT THERE. IT SHOULD BE WHOEVER WE THINK IS GOOD. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE CURRENT SET UP TO WHERE IT CAN BE ALL AT-LARGE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY. FOR LESS EXCEPT FOR ONE APPLICATION FIRST, AND THAT WAS TO THE MOTION. I THINK HE DID APPLY. AS FOR I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION FOR NOW. AS TO HOW MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPOINTMENT OF PETER KENDRICK. FOR SECOND. FOR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MIKE PUSLEY  -- MOTION FOR THIS TO PASS AT-LARGE FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD. ANYBODY 
          CAN APPLY AND BE APPOINTED. >> AND I CAN REOPEN. 
          >> DID YOU SECOND THAT? TO YES, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> YES. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER WHAT WAS BRIEFLY DISCUSSED , WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS BEFORE I LEFT TO THE COUNCIL . WE DID THIS ONCE , WHEN I WAS COMMISSIONER BEFORE . THAT WAS BASICALLY TO HAVE US ON THE REVIEW OF ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT WE APPOINT PEOPLE TO. AND TO SEE IF THEY ARE ALL NECESSARY ANY LONGER . THE CITY SECRETARY GO THROUGH THAT FOR US , AND BRING A REPORT WAS ABOUT HOW OFTEN A MESS , AND HOW MANY TIMES THEY DID NOT DO A QUORUM. YOUR HONOR, YOU MAY BE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD THING. AS COME BEFORE, WE HAD NUMEROUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT MET IN YEARS. FOR WE HAVE STATUTORY BOARDS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE WE TALKED ABOUT. WE STARTED TO LOOK INTO THIS WHEN WE FOUND THE BOARD WAS NOT MEETING. WE LOOKED INTO SEVERAL OTHERS. THERE IS ONE OTHER . 
          >> I THINK HAVING THEM ALL AT-LARGE WOULD HELP. AS FOR THAT IS AN INSTRUCTION AND DIRECTION. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND THAT WILL MAKE ALL MEMBERS AT-LARGE, AND TO REOPEN FOR THE OPEN POSITION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? FOR 
          [2.  Nueces County Child Welfare Board]
THE VACANT POSITIONS OF THE ONES WE ARE FILLING. NOW ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE NUECES COUNTY CHILD WELFARE BOARD. WE HAD ONE APPLICATION RECEIVED, JENNIFER CRAVER OLIVIA. THIS IS THE STATUTORY BOARD THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP FOR ANOTHER YEAR. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AND REOPEN FOR THE OTHER VACANT POSITIONS. FOR SECOND. FOR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED? THE 
          [2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSENT AGENDA, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WISH TO PULL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A FEW, IF YOU DO NOT. FOR ITEM ARE, I WILL ABSTAIN. I NEED THAT ONE PULLED SEPARATELY. FOR WE WILL PULL IT, SO YOU CAN ABSTAIN FROM THAT BOAT. 
          >> Q. >> OKAY. 
          >> I NEED TO PULL ITEM E, ITEM I, ITEM G , NUMBERS ONE, TWO, 
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THREE. OKAY, I MAKE A MOTION TO PASS, ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS EXCEPT FOR E, G, 123, ITEM I, AND Q, AND ART. 
          >> MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED? 
          [E.  Authorize payment of bills - Group Health insurance claims and fees by Boon Chapman from January 14, 2025, through January 21, 2025.]
THE ITEMS PASS. THE FIRST ONE UP IS ITEM ME ON THE AUTHORIZED PAYMENT OF BILLS ON THE GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS. I REALLY JUST HAVE A REQUEST FOR THIS ACCOUNT . IN THE FUTURE, WITH A BACKUP, IF WE COULD GET A RUNNING BALANCE OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE ACCOUNT HAS WITH THESE, IT WOULD HELP US TO STAY EDUCATED AND MORE INFORMED. THIS ACCOUNT HAS BEEN TROUBLESOME. IF WE COULD GET A TOTAL BALANCE WHEN WE GET THIS AMOUNT , SO WE 
          KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON IT. >> YES MA'AM. FOR I WILL MAKE 
          [G.  Approve and accept donations to the county in accordance with Local Governmental Code 81.032 for the following: 1. $500.00 from Funeraria Del Angel to Nueces County Constable Pct. 1 for     departmental support 2. $1,000.00 from Forever Funeral Services to Nueces County Constable Pct. 1 for     departmental support 3. $750.00 from Seaside Funeral Home to Nueces County Constable Pct. 1 for     departmental support 4. $622.96 estimated fair value of 104 books from Robstown HEB to Nueces County     Public Libraries]
THE MOTION TO PASS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR ? THE MOTION PASSES. ON ITEM G , ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, I AM TABLING THOSE TO THE NEXT MEETING. JENNY? IS THAT CORRECT? DOES IT JUST TABLE INDEFINITELY? FOR WE SHOULD KNOW SOMETHING MORE SOON . I BELIEVE THERE IS A TELEPHONE CALL THAT WILL HAPPEN THIS AFTERNOON AFTER COURT . FOR THAT IS MY MOTION TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION 
          [I.  Ratify the Memorandum of Understanding between the City of Corpus Christi and Nueces County Sheriff's Office for use of their training facility.]
PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ON ITEM I, I AM MAKING MOTION TO TABLE INDEFINITELY. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM CHIEF MARCO, AND HE SAYS THIS IS NOT NECESSARY. WE ARE TABLING, UNLESS THEY BRING IT BACK FOR SOME REASON. WE HAVE A MOTION ADDED A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. NOW WE HAVE ITEM 
          [Q.  Authorize and approve acceptance of donation by the Ed Rachel Foundation of real property located in the Colonia Mexicana Subdivision, in accordance with Texas Local Government Code section 81.032.]
Q , THAT IS YOURS, COMMISSIONER JOE A. GONZALEZ . AS FOR ANY CLARIFICATION ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS PROPERLY LOCATED 
          IN THE SUBDIVISION. >> THAT WAS HER THEIR WORDING ON THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION? FOR THAT IS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. 
          THESE ARE SOME LAWS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THE COUNTY IN THE HILLCREST AREA. FOR IT IS IN HILLCREST? FOR I LOOKED AT IT. 
          THIS IS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. FOR THIS IS NEAR THE REFINERY. 
          THEY ARE DONATING IT. FOR THEY ARE DONATING ALL OF THIS. THEY DID NOT WANT ANY RECOGNITION OR ANYTHING. THAT WE CAN ACCEPT IT OR SELL IT AT A SMALL PROPERTIES. THE COMMISSIONERS MAKING THE MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT. 
          [R.  Rescind approval of Vaquero Addition plat from January 8, 2025 Commissioners Court and approve the revised plat of Vaquero Addition, Block 1, Lots 1 & 2 in place of previous plat of Vaquero Addition.]
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES . NOW WE GO TO ITEM R, THIS IS ONE WHERE PREP COURSES YOU NEED TO ABSTAIN? FOR YES. THEY DO A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?, ANY OPPOSED? WE HAVE ONE ABSTAINED FOR COMMISSIONER JOHN MAREZ. IT DOES PASS. THAT CONCLUDES THE CONSENT AGENDA. UNLESS I MISSED 
          [2.  Discuss and consider authorizing and approving method of procurement IFB (Invitation for Bids) of Nueces County Coastal Parks Equipment; and authorize the Purchasing Agent to publish a notice.]
SOMETHING, PLEASE CLARIFY AND CATCH ME RIGHT NOW. MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 2. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT INVITATION FOR BIDS FOR NUECES COUNTY COASTAL HORSE EQUIPMENT AND AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASING AGENT TO PUBLISH A NOTICE. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO PASS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          [3.  Discuss and consider authorizing and approving method of procurement IFB (Invitation for Bids) of Autopsy Equipment for Medical Examiner’s Office; and authorize the Purchasing Agent to publish a notice.]
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ITEM NUMBER THREE, SIMILAR, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING THE METHOD OF IN THE INVITATION FOR BIDS FOR AUTOPSY EQUIPMENT FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. THIS IS ARE PROVIDED. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. JOE A. GONZALEZ, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 
          [4.  Discuss and consider the Nueces County Disaster Finance Policy Procedure; authorize essential employees to be paid at overtime rate for the recent freeze event and all related matters. ]
NUMBER FOUR, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE TO THE FEBRUARY 19 FOR INFORMATION ONLY. TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE A FEDERAL DISASTER FINANCE POLICY . IT IS A FEMA POLICY AS WELL. THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSIONS ON THE LAST RAISE ON THE PAPER. I INSTRUCTED THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS DIRECTOR , MS. HAWKINS TO LOOK AT THIS. FOR PURPOSES OF INFORMATION, COMMISSIONER NUECES COUNTY HAS VOLUNTEERED TO LOOK AT THE WORDING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE POLICY INSTEAD OF JUST THIS ONE PARAGRAPH. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS BACK TO ON FEBRUARY 19 MEETING. 
          [5.  Discuss and consider execution of an American Institute of Architects (AIA) Services Contract with Richter Architects to provide architectural services related to the Nueces County Emergency Operations Center Renovations in the amount of $70,755.00 and all related matters.]
          >>> ITEM NUMBER 5, SERVICES CONTRACT WITH RICHTER ARCHITECTS TO PROVIDE THEIR ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE NUECES COUNTY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IN THE AMOUNT OF $70,755 AND ALL RELATED MATTERS. THIS COMES FROM MY DEDICATED FUNDS TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS AT HILLTOP, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION 
          TO PASS. >> SECOND POINT 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER MODEST ABOUT IT FIRST. FOR THE EOC PORTION OF IT, THAT COMES OUT OF THE BUDGET I HAVE. YES POINT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL 
          [6.  Discuss and consider Un-allocating $19,303.93 Bob Hall Pier Hurricane Harvey funds and Reallocate to 'London Drainage Land Acquisition' Project and all related matters.]
THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE POINT ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 6, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER UNALLOCATED $19,330.90 FROM THE BOB HALL PIER HURRICANE HARVEY FUNDS AND REALLOCATE TO WANTON DRAINAGE LAND ACQUISITION PROJECT AND ALL RELATED MATTERS BUT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THIS IS YOURS, WOULD 
          YOU LIKE TO -- >> YEAH, I'M GOING TO LET TERESA PASS THAT INFORMATION. IT IS A TECHNICALITY. WHAT HAPPENED ON THIS WAS BASICALLY THAT THE BILL GOT SENT TO THE WRONG PERSON , SO THIS IS NOT PAYING THE BILL, THIS IS JUST DOING SOME REALLOCATION TO MEET WITHIN THE ARPA REGULATIONS . IT IS A NET ZERO EFFECT. I WILL LET TERESA GO THROUGH THAT, TOO, IF 
          SHE WANTS TO. >> YES, SIR, COMMISSIONER. THESE FUNDS ARE THE BALANCE OF THE LONDON DRAINAGE FUNDS THAT WAS MOVED TO THE BOB HALL PIER PROJECT. THE INVOICES THAT WE NEED TO PAY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ARPA FUNDS, SO IT IS JUST A NET ZERO EFFECT WHERE WE ARE USING THE FUNDS IN THE BOB HALL PIER PROJECT OUT OF HURRICANE HARVEY FUNDS, IN ORDER TO PAY THESE COSTS. LET'S SO WE ARE NOT ADDING, BUT WE ARE NOT 
          LOSING. >> ZERO EFFECT, YES. 
          >> SOUNDS GOOD, JUST A FUND SWAP. 
          >> IS THERE A LIMITED RANGE PROJECT DONE? IT'S ALREADY 
          DONE? >> YEAH, I MOVED THE MONEY, THEN 
          THIS BILL CAME IN AFTERWARDS. >> OKAY, NO PROBLEM. 
          >> IS THAT YOUR PROBLEM -- MOTION TO PASS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. YES, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER POINT 
          >> WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE, TERESA, IS WE ARE TAKING SOME MONEY FROM HARVEY SISTER FUNDS , FROM THE PEER , TO PAY THE BILL 
          THAT CAME LATER? >> RIGHT. IT'S A SWAP. SO, THE ENGINEER -- THE LAND ACQUISITION INVOICES FOR THE TITLE FEES AND FOR THE BOUNDARIES SURVEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN ARPA, BUT THERE IS THE LONDON DRAINAGE PROJECT, SO THE LONDON DRAINAGE MONIES WENT INTO THE ARPA PROJECT FROM BOB HALL PIER. SO, IN ORDER FOR US TO PAY THOSE INVOICES THAT WERE BILLED INCORRECTLY, WE ARE USING THE HURRICANE HARVEY FUNDS, BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCES ALREADY A PART OF THE LONDON DRAINAGE MONIES, SO IT IS A NET 
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          ZERO POINT >> I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH WANTON DRAINAGE, SO I MOVED MY WANTON DRAINAGE OVER, AND THEN THIS BILL CAME IN, BECAUSE IT WAS A SENT TO THE WRONG -- 
          WASN'T SENT TO US. >> MY QUESTION -- WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE ARE TAKING IT AWAY FROM HARVEY DISASTER FUND, SO IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING, YOU NEVER KNOW, SO, WE ARE ABLE TO GIVE MONEY FROM THE HARVEY FUNDS FROM THE PIER, RIGHT? 
          >> RIGHT, AS LONG AS YOU REPLACE IT, SO I'M JUST REPLACING IT. 
          >> AND AS LONG AS THE FUNDS ARE LEFT IN THE HARVEY -- LIKE AFTER THIS TODAY ON THE BOB HALL PIER -- YEAH, WE ARE DOWN TO 287,000, SO YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE IT IF THERE ARE NO HARVEY FUNDS LEFT. 
          YES. YES. >> I'M JUST SAYING, OKAY. 
          >> BUT THERE IS FUNDS THERE, AND WITH THIS DEDUCTION, THERE WILL STILL BE $287,994 IN HARVEY MONEY DEDICATED. 
          >> OKAY. >> 
          AVAILABLE, TOO. >> YES. WELL, HILL TOP IS KIND OF DEDICATED ALREADY TO SOMEONE. 
          MUCH IS LEFT, THERE IS STILL SOME OUTSTANDING, YES. THERE IS AN M.O. YOU WITH SOME STUFF FOR HILL TOP STUFF. SO, WE HAVE A 
          [7.  Discuss and consider Un-allocating $804,450.00 Inland Parks & County Wide, Pct. 1 ARPA funds obligated for 'Hazel Bazemore Park Work Out Station Structure' and reallocate to 'Hilltop Community Center' ARPA Project.  Un-allocate $804,450 Hurricane Harvey funds obligated for 'Hilltop Community Center' & Reallocate as shown below, and all related matters: (1) $422,492.54 - Hilltop Community Center (Current Project) (2) $87,540.00 - Hazel Bazemore Park Work Out Station Structure (New Project) (3) $294,417.46 - Precinct 1 Drainge Projects (New Project)]
MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON TO ITEM 7, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER UNALLOCATED INLAND PARKS AND COUNTYWIDE PRECINCT FUND OBLIGATED FOR HAZEL BAZEMORE PARK , WOULD YOU LIKE 
          TO TAKE OVER THIS ONE? >> YES, MA'AM, WITH TERESA'S HELP, I WILL. 
          FOR YOU, OR DID SHE ALREADY PASS THAT OUT, IS IT ALREADY 
          ATTACHED? >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, I MET WITH TERESA, AND THE YOUNG LADY FROM GRANT WORKS, AND WE ALL GOT IN THE ROOM AND WENT THROUGH THIS, SO, BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE CANCELING THIS AT HILLTOP WORKOUT CENTER AND WE 
          ARE GOING TO -- >> HAZEL BAZEMORE. 
          >> DID I SAY HILL TOP? I'M SORRY. HAZEL BAZEMORE, AND WE ARE MOVING IT TO THE HILL TOP COMMUNITY , I AM SORRY. BUT I DO NEED TO MAKE ONE CHANGE, YOUR HONOR. THIS WAS MY MISTAKE, AND I JUST MISSED THIS ON THE NUMBER 3, THE $294,000, WE HAD LISTED AS PRECINCT 1 DRAINAGE PROJECTS. I'M GOING TO -- I WASN'T AWARE, WE NEED TO ALLOCATE THAT TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT, SO, SAT DOWN WITH EDWARD AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH, AND SO, I'M GOING TO DESIGNATE THAT FOR THE LANDALE/TN BASEBALL FIELD IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAVE GOT QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE OUT THERE, SO, WE ARE GOING TO REALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT, AND I HAVE GOT SOME OTHER MONEY THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING UP THAT WE CAN DEDICATE TO DRAINAGE PROJECTS. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS REALLOCATION FUNDS. 
          >> SO, IS IT GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS ON HERE, BECAUSE YOU JUST MADE THAT VOCAL CHANGE? 
          >> YES. >> SO, CAN YOU JUST ARTICULATE 
          CLEARLY AGAIN FOR ME? >> YEAH, IF YOU LOOK DOWN UNDER THE $800,450 AND REALLOCATED , IT'S SHOWN BELOW, $422,000 AND CHANGE WILL GO TO THAT HILLTOP COMMUNITY CENTER PROJECT, AND THEN $87,000 IS THE WORKOUT STATION THAT WE ARE CANCELING, THEN THE $294,000 IS GOING TO GO FOR LANDALE TO SELL BASEBALL 
          FIELD IMPROVEMENTS THAT >> OKAY, INSTEAD OF PRECINCT 1 
          DRAINAGE PROJECTS. >> SO, LYONDELL -- 
          >> AND TM BASEBALL FIELD IMPROVEMENTS. 
          >> I UNDERSTAND. AGAIN, IT SAYS NEW PROJECTS, I THOUGHT WE COULDN'T DO ANY MORE NEW PROJECTS. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING POINT WHEN I ASKED, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, THEY SAID IF THERE IS A NEW PROJECT, YOU CAN'T DO IT. IF IT IS AN ONGOING PROJECT, YOU CAN DO IT. 
          >> IT IS NOT ARPA FUNDS, IT IS HURRICANE MONIES, AND THE NEW PROJECT WAS CHANGED TO THE LINEDALE PRINT 
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          >> BUT IT IS A PROJECT THAT WAS ALREADY IN PROGRESS. INLAND PARKS HAS STOPPED PARTY GOING ON. IT WAS AN EXISTING PROJECT WITH JUST ADDITIONAL STUFF GOING TOWARDS THAT MONEY. IT SAYS NEW PROJECT, BUT IT WASN'T, AND THAT'S THE REASON YOU CHANGED FROM DRAINAGE TO -- EVERYBODY, YES, SIR, YES. 
          >> WE ARE ESSENTIALLY ON ALLOCATING THE ARPA FUNDS AND MOVING THOSE TO HILLTOP, WHICH IS GOING TO FREE UP HURRICANE HARVEY FUNDS, WHICH NEED TO BE DEDICATED  TO THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT NUMBER 3 WILL BE POINT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE HURRICANE HARVEY FUNDS THAT WE UTILIZE FOR LINEDALE TO SELL TM BASEBALL FIELD IMPROVEMENTS. 
          >> DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH HARVEY FUNDS ARE LEFT THERE IN THE 
          HILLTOP? >> ON MUCH IS LEFT AFTER THAT? THERE IS 300, BUT WE STILL HAVE -- WE HAVE CONTRACTS, MOU'S WITH DEPARTMENTS, STILL. I THINK THERE IS NOT MUCH LEFT IN HARVEY FUNDS LEFT. I DON'T HAVE THAT SHEET. 
          >> I DON'T NEED MUCH, BUT -- 
          LITTLE BIT. >> CHESNEY HAS MORE. 
          >> THIS IS HIS ITEM. >> IN HARVEY FUNDS TO TRANSFER, IS THIS THE HARVEY BALANCE? THE 316? BUT WE ALSO HAVE IT DEDICATED AND POSSIBLY 195 OF THAT TO THE GENERATORS AND ROOFTOP PROJECT AT THE HILLTOP POSSIBLY, SO THERE IS 100,000 
          AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT IN HIS. >> WELL, THE $422,000 , TERESA, HELP ME HERE IF I AM WRONG, THAT NUMBER 1 IS BASICALLY GOING TO PAY THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES THAT ARE LEFT OVER THAT HAVE NOT BEEN 
          PAID. >> THAT IS CORRECT. 
          >> AND THEN -- X AND THEN 87,540 , TERESA, IS THAT GOING TO BE -- 
          >> THAT IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE ENGINEERING COSTS ON THE HAZEL BAZEMORE WORK OUT PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED 
          >> IT SAYS THE NEW PROJECT. WE CAN'T USE OUR BUT MONEY ON THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING THE ARPA MONEY OUT, SO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ENGINEERING COSTS WITH SOMETHING, AND THOSE COSTS HAVE 
          ALREADY BEEN INCURRED. >> RIGHT, AND ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE HURRICANE HARVEY MONIES. 
          >> AND LET ME CLARIFY, TOO, THE FIRST PART OF THIS ON ALLOCATING IS FOR GRANTS AND GRANT WORKS AND THEN FOR THEIR DOCUMENTATION AND PAPERWORK. THE SECOND PART ON IT YOU REALLOCATING TO A PROJECT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED, NOT CREATING NEW, IS THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT MADE THAT OUR PRIORITY, THAT WAS OUR RULES IMPLEMENTED ON OUR SELF WHEN YOU TRANSFER MONEY OUT, IT COULDN'T JUST HOLD THERE AND CREATE A NEW PROJECT AS YOU FELT LIKE, IT HAD TO BE DEDICATED TO SOMETHING THAT WAS AN ONGOING 
          PROJECT. YES. OKAY. SO -- >> SO, WE HAD ENGINEERING FEES THAT WE STILL OWE, THAT'S WHAT NUMBER 2 IS FOR. ON THE WORKOUT STATION. WE NEED TO PAY THOSE. THE $422,000 IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED TO PAY THE ARCHITECT, WHAT WE OWE HIM FOR THE HILLTOP 
          PROJECT. >> THAT WASN'T BUDGETED EITHER. 
          >> AND THE ONLY NEW THING WE ARE CREATING IS THE NUMBER 3 FOR THE 
          TM BASEBALL . >> SO, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE ALL TALKED, BUT I SEE THAT WE HAVE JJ ON FROM GRANT WORKS, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WANTS TO CHIME IN, BECAUSE IT IS ALL GOOD THAT WE ALL AGREE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEM CONFIRM OR SOMEONE FROM OUR GRANT DEPARTMENT CAN CONFIRM WHAT WE ALL, I THINK, NO ABOUT THE RULES AND PROCESSES, BUT IF WE COULD HEAR FROM HER, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. BUT ALSO, SECOND PART TO THAT, I AM ASSUMING WE ARE STILL IN THE WORKS TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON ASSETS THAT THE COUNTY HAS, AND FOR ME AT THIS POINT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE, I'M GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF EVERY COMMISSIONER, WHATEVER PROJECTS THEY WANT TO DO IN THEIR PRECINCT, BUT WE ARE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT ASSETS IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, AND THERE MAY BE A PRE-PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY, AND I AM CONCERNED THAT IF OUR DIRECTION CHANGES ON ANY PROJECT, YOU KNOW, OR WE SAY WE ARE ONLY GOING TO FOCUS ON, SAY, FOUR HOOVES, ONE IN EACH PRECINCT, 
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THIS IS PUTTING MONEY INTO A PRECINCT PROJECT THAT MAY NOT EVEN HAPPEN. SO, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, I KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT BEING PUT BY EDWARD AND TERESA AND COMMISSIONER PUSLEY ON THIS, BUT THAT IS A SECOND PART TO ALL OF THIS. IF IT CAN WAIT. I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T, SO, TRYING TO BRING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRST ONE PRINT 
          >> AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION QUICKLY, SINCE HE IS CHANGING THIS OUT OF ARPA AND GETTING HARVEY FUNDS FOR THIS, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON THIS. OUR MEETING IS IN TWO WEEKS, ASSETS, SO I THINK HIM TRANSFERRING IT, THE ONLY OTHER STIPULATION THAT HE WOULD HAVE IF THIS BECOMES ONE OF THE PROJECTS MAYBE THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING ON DOING SOMETHING ELSE WITH, HE WOULD HAVE TO TRANSFER IT AGAIN, BUT IT IS HARVEY FUNDS, IT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THE ONLY STIPULATION IS LIKE THE RULES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON A PROJECT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN COURT APPROVED, JUST AN ADDITIONAL FEATURE OR SOMETHING. SO, IT WON'T HINDER 
          ANYTHING. >> I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP. 
          >> WE ARE JUST -- WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, EDWARD AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED AT THAT PARK, AND WE KNOW WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO DO. 
          AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DID GO OVER ALL OF THIS WITH GRANT WORKS, AND I THINK I SENT YOU AN EMAIL CLARIFYING THAT 
          EVERYTHING WAS OKAY. >> THEY DID, THEY HAD A QUESTION. I THINK THEIR CONCERNS WERE ABOUT US JUST STAYING IN COMMUNICATION. THEY WEREN'T AWARE YESTERDAY THAT YOU HAD HAD A MEETING WITH NATALIE ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE , IS WHAT THEIR CONCERN WAS. AND AS I SAID BEFORE, THE FIRST PART OF THIS ON ALLOCATING AND PUTTING IT TO THE HILLTOP COMMUNITY CENTER TRANSFER , HILLTOP IS ONGOING, GRANT WORKS IS WATCHING THIS, IT IS ALREADY A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, THERE WAS HARVEY MONEY AND IT, IT IS THE SAME THING WE DID TO THE BOB HALL PIER WITH THE EEOC, SO THEY HAD NO QUESTION ABOUT THE OBLIGATION. THEY PREFERRED THAT WE DON'T DO THIS REALLY OFTEN, BECAUSE AS THE ONE INVOICE HAD BEEN PRESENTED FOR THE ENGINEERING, THEY'RE HAVING TO DRAW THAT BACK AND WE ARE HAVING TO PAY FOR IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE, THAT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS ON SPRINT BUT WE LITERALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MORE LEFT OF HARVEY FUNDS FOR ANYBODY TO TRANSFER OUT EITHER, SO I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING A BIG ISSUE FOR THIS COURT. SO -- 
          >> AND I WILL HAVE ONE MORE I WILL BRING BACK TO THE COURT. 
          TERESA AND I WANTED TO WAIT, WE HAVE GOT SOME MORE WORK TO DO, THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PROPOSED FACILITY IN DRISCOLL . WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THAT, SO THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING HERE AT A FUTURE MEETING. 
          >> ABOUT RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT. 
          DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> YES, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ACTION ITEMS ON HERE , BUT HE KIND OF 
          CONFLATED BOTH OF THEM. >> DEP ALLOCATE AND REALLOCATE THE HARVEY FUNDS TO THESE THINGS, SO YES. YOU WANT THEM IN 
          TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS? >> WITH THAT. YOU WANT TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS? 
          >> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOUR ALLOCATING FUNDS. 
          >> I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. I THINK COMMISSIONER CHESNEY SECONDED IT. AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO UNALLOCATED THE $804,450 FROM INLAND PARKS AND COUNTYWIDE PRECINCT 1 ARPA FUNDS OBLIGATED FOR HAZEL BAZEMORE PARK WORKOUT STATION STRUCTURE AND REALLOCATE THOSE TO THE HILLTOP ARPA PROJECT. NEXT WE 
          HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> I AM BEING TOLD -- YOU SAID 
          ARPA FUNDS OR HARVEY FUNDS? >> IT IS ON ALLOCATING , YES. 
          >> GOOD FOR YOU? >> YEAH. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION 
          CARRIES. >> OKAY, AND THE SECOND MOTION WILL BE TO UNALLOCATED $804,450 OF HURRICANE HARVEY FUNDS OBLIGATED FOR THE HILLTOP COMMUNITY CENTER AND REALLOCATE AS SHOWN BELOW OR AS LISTED BELOW , AND ALL RELATED MATTERS, AND THAT WILL BE ITEM NUMBER 1, $422,492.54 TO THE HILLTOP COMMUNITY CENTER PROJECT, WHICH WILL BE UTILIZED TO PAY THE ARCHITECT'S FINAL FEES . ITEM NUMBER 2, $87,540 TO THE HAZEL 
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BAZEMORE PARK WORKOUT STATION STRUCTURE, WHICH IS TO FINALIZE PAYMENTS TO ENGINEERING FOR THEIR FEES , AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 3, $294,417.46 TO THE LINEDALE TM BASEBALL FIELD 
          IMPROVEMENTS. >> THAT IS A COUNTY PARK, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.  ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. 
          >> AND YOUR HONOR, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANKS TO TERESA FOR ALL THE WORK. IF THIS SOUNDS LIKE A MOUTHFUL, YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN US WHEN WE FIRST STARTED IT. I HAD TO GO BACK AND GET MY BOOKS OUT, SO I COULD KEEP UP WITH HER. THANK 
          [8.  Discuss and consider adopting the Commissioners Court Policy as proposed and all related matters.]
YOU, TERESA, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          >> SHE HELPS US ALL LIKE THAT, YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
          TERESA. >>> ITEM 8, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING THE COMMISSIONERS COURT POLICY AS PROPOSED AND ALL RELATED MATTERS. YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THIS POLICY. THERE IS PRETTY MUCH JUST CLERICAL, EXCEPT FOR TWO ITEMS I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL CLEAR ON. ON PAGE 8, NUMBER 5, IT DISCUSSES -- NUMBER 5, PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS MUST BE RESIDENTS OF NUECES COUNTY. OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE, AND NONRESIDENTS WILL BE ALLOWED A MINUTE TO SPEAK. WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE, JUST AS IN THE PAST, WITH PORT ARANSAS AND CONDOS AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO, I DIDN'T WANT TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM HAVING A VOICE HERE. I GOT SOME PHONE CALLS ABOUT THAT, I AM NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH IT LIKE IT IS 
          HERE. >> WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING? 
          >> NUMBER 5 IN RED. >> PAGE 8. 
          >> I THOUGHT YOU SAID 5, SORRY. >> IS THIS -- FOLLOW OTHER BEST PRACTICES OR WE ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE THIS -- 
          >> I THINK COMMISSIONER PUSLEY DID, HE GOT ALL THE LOCAL SURROUNDING AREAS, THE PORT, THE CITIES, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, IT DOES FOLLOW ALONG. I THINK YOU HAD SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT ONES HE WENT THROUGH THERE. 
          >> AND I AM TOTALLY FLEXIBLE ON THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING WE DID AT THE CITY AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE LIKE IT DID THERE, BUT WE HAD PEOPLE COMING FROM CALIFORNIA AND EVERYWHERE 
          TO SPEAK AT OUR OPEN FORUMS. >> THEY CAME IN OR THEY WERE 
          ONLINE? >> BOTH. 
          >> OH, WOW. X AND WE HAVE HAD THAT, I THINK ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SPEAKERS IN PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER KIND OF REFERENCE TO AN ISSUE AND THAT REALLY BLEW UP ABOUT A YEAR AGO. WE HAD PEOPLE , I THINK, SOME THAT WERE ONLINE AND SOME THAT WERE SHOWING UP IN PERSON, BUT WHO WERE OUTSIDE. WE HAD ONE REALLY PRODUCTIVE ISSUE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEY'RE LIKE, LOOK, I CAN'T GO TO MY OWN COMMISSIONERS COURT, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE TO GO TO, SO I AM HERE AT OASIS COUNTY. I FORGOT WHAT ISSUE IT WAS, IT WAS A KIND OF BIGGER, MORE REGIONAL ISSUE, AND THEY FELT COMPELLED TO COME HERE, AND WE ACCEPTED IT AND WE TOOK IT, AND THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE, THEY JUST FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOMEWHERE PUBLICLY THEY NEEDED TO GO TO. THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN. BUT WE HAVE GOT TO BALANCE IT, I AGREE, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WHERE IT COULD TOTALLY BE FLOODED. AND MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO COME AND INVEST THE TIME TO BE HERE IN PERSON, MAYBE I AM OPEN WITH KEEPING IT TO ANYONE, RIGHT? BUT ONLINE -- ONE MINUTE, BUT THEN HOW DO YOU VERIFY? THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN. JUST THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE ARGUMENT IS TO STIFLE PEOPLE FROM HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO GET BOGGED DOWN. BECAUSE WE STARTED TODAY, IT STARTED OUT WITH SUCH A POSITIVE TONE, AND THEN GONE NEGATIVE, AS PUBLIC COMMENT STUPID AND WE ARE NOT HERE TO FILTER OUT PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT? WE TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD OR WHATEVER. BUT ALSO, SOME DON'T REALLY HAVE A VOICE, AND I AGREE. IF YOU ARE NOT REALLY FROM THIS COMMUNITY, AS MUCH AS YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, THEN WE ARE HERE TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY OASIS COUNTY'S DECISIONS. NOW, SOMETIMES AS THAT MEANS YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE SOMEONE DOWN OR UP THE RIVER. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN OF LOOKING AT THAT. BUT IF IT HELPS US BE MORE EFFICIENT, I AM ALL FOR THAT, BECAUSE YES, WE CAN AND HAVE GOTTEN BOGGED DOWN BEFORE. 
          >> IT IS GOING TO BE THE HONOR SYSTEM, BECAUSE WE ALSO DO NOT ASK FOR ADDRESSES ANYMORE, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE JUST SOMEONE 
          DOING -- >> YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ASK LIKE IF THE CITY -- THEY HAVE TO DECLARE THEY ARE A CITIZEN. IT 
          IS AN HONOR SYSTEM. >> IT IS AN HONOR SYSTEM. ASK AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THEM IF THEY LIVE IN NUECES 
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COUNTY. AND THEY CAN VOLUNTEER TO GIVE THEIR ADDRESS, BUT YOU CAN'T ASK THEM FOR THAT ANYMORE. 
          >> YOU CAN ASK THEM FOR THEIR COUNTY. 
          >> YES. >> 
          >> YEAH, I HAVE THE SAME ARGUMENT . EVERY YEAR WHEN I GET MY TAX BILL, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH OWNING PROPERTY IS MY WIFE AND I ARE PRIVILEGED TO PAY SCHOOL DISTRICT TAXES IN FIVE DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND I DON'T GET TO VOTE ON THEIR BOND ELECTIONS. SO -- 
          ME TO DO THAT. >> WHAT IS THE OTHER ONE YOU 
          WANT TO POINT OUT? >> IF YOU ARE FINE WITH THE WAY THE WORDING IS ON THAT ONE, I AM, TOO. IF YOU GO TO PAGE 12, I THINK COMMISSIONER PUSLEY, YOU DID BRING THIS UP, AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE. I KNOW WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE, THERE WAS SOME -- STOPS THAT YOU ALL DID AS A COURT, BUT I THINK THIS SHOULD BE PART OF OUR POLICY APPROVAL. I THINK SAM AND PAT HAS IMPLEMENTED SOMETHING SIMILAR , WHEN YOU LOSE AN ELECTION ON THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVAL TO SPEND, AFTER THAT ELECTION THEY HAVE LOST. THIS IS PART OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 130.908 , IF AN INCUMBENT MEMBER OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT IS NOT RE-ELECTED TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, DURING THE TIME FOLLOWING THE DATE, THE RESULTS OF THE OFFICIAL CAMPUS OF THE PRIMARY, OR GENERAL ELECTION RETURNS ARE ANNOUNCED, THE COURT MUST APPROVE BY A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE ANY EXPENDITURE THAT IS OVER $1000. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT ANY COMMISSIONER IS NOT GOING TO STILL BE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY IN YOUR DISTRICT, IT JUST HAS TO COME TO COURT AND BE VOTED ON BY THE 
          COMMISSIONERS COURT. >> BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS ONLY IF YOU STAND FOR ELECTIONS, SO IF SOMEONE DECIDES NOT TO RUN -- 
          >> THEN YOU HAVE FULL AUTHORITY UNTIL THE END. 
          >> DOES IT SAY THAT IN HERE OR DOES IT JUST IMPLY THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO GET DOWN TO THAT ISSUE IN A FEW YEARS AND WE KNEW WHAT THE INTENT WAS, BUT WHAT THE WORDING SAYS ARE TWO 
          DIFFERENT -- >> MAYBE WE SHOULD ADD THE 
          LANGUAGE IN THERE. >> YOU CAN'T BE UNELECTED IF YOU ARE NOT BEING ELECTED, RIGHT? 
          >> THAT WOULD AFFECT THE PERSON AFTER THE NOVEMBER ELECTION IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING ELECTION AGAIN, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO 
          SPEND UNTIL JANUARY. >> NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT -- IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU WEREN'T -- 
          >> THIS IS AFTER THE ELECTION RETURNS ARE ANNOUNCED. 
          >> YOU JUST WEREN'T EVEN ON THE BALLOT. THAT'S TRUE. 
          >> SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS LANGUAGE WOULD ONLY APPLY TO SOMEONE WHO GOT BEAT , IS THE WAY I READ IT AND THE WAY THAT I 
          UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE -- >> CAN WE ADD LANGUAGE IN THERE, JENNY, THAT SPEAKS TO THE PERSON NOT SEEKING RE-ELECTION AFTER THE DATE OF THE GENERAL ELECTION AND SOMEONE ELSE IS COMING IN, THAT SHOULD PERTAIN TO THEM AS WELL? 
          >> WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> I AM PULLING THE STATUTES AND NOW, AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER LITTLE FIX WITH THE WORDING. 
          THIS SUPER MAJORITY REQUEST FOR THIS DECISION , SHOULD THE COURT MAKE IT, IS MORE STRINGENT THAN THE STATUTE REQUIRES, SO THERE'S JUST A LITTLE FIX ALSO WITH THAT WORDING. 
          >> LET'S GO ONE AT A TIME, THOUGH, IF YOU DON'T RUN FOR ELECTION, THEN THIS LANGUAGE DOESN'T APPLY. OTHERWISE, IF IT DID, IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO YOUR JOB FOR TWO YEARS WHEN YOU DIDN'T RUN. SO, TO ME, IF YOU'RE NOT UP FOR ELECTION, THEN YOU CAN'T BE RE-ELECTED. THEREFORE, THIS LANGUAGE 
          WOULDN'T APPLY. >> IT IS SAYS DURING THE TIME FOLLOWING THE DATE OF THE RESULTS OF THE OFFICIAL CAMPUS OF THE ELECTION IS DONE, SO I GUESS UNLESS YOU ARE IN A PRIMARY, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          >> NO, IT SAYS -- I AM ON PAGE 12. 
          >> I'M LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM, IF AN INCUMBENT MEMBER OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS NOT RE-ELECTED, HE WAS STILL THE INCUMBENT UNTIL THE ELECTION IS OVER WITH. 
          >> RIGHT. BUT THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TO BE NOT RE-ELECTED IF YOU NEVER WERE ON THE BALLOT TO BE ELECTED. 
          >> I THOUGHT THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE REFERENCING THE OFFICIAL RESULTS OF THE GENERAL ELECTION. IF YOU ARE NOT THE OFFICIAL RESULT OF THE GENERAL ELECTION, THIS WOULD PERTAIN TO YOU FROM NOVEMBER 7TH OR WHENEVER IT WAS UNTIL JANUARY 
          WHEN THE NEW PERSON COMES IN. >> WHAT PART ARE YOU READING ON THAT ONE? I AM READING PAGE 12 -- 
          >> THE LAST SENTENCE, THE DAY OF THE RESULTS OF THE OFFICIAL CAMPUS, I THINK IF YOU TAKE THE PRIMARY OUT AND ELECTION RETURNS ARE ANNOUNCED, GENERAL ELECTIONS, IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING, THAT WOULD PERTAIN TO YOU, BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE ON 
          THE GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS. >> NO, IT WON'T, BECAUSE THE FIRST PART OF IT IS THE COURT IS NOT RE-ELECTED. SO, YOU CAN'T BE RE-ELECTED IF YOU DIDN'T RUN FOR OFFICE. SO, WE NEED TO 
          CLARIFY. >> OR ADD A SENTENCE IN THERE. 
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IF THAT IS THE ROUTE WE WANT TO GO, THEN WE NEED TO ADD LANGUAGE IN THEIR THAT PERTAINS TO SOMEONE NOT SEEKING RE-ELECTION. 
          >> AMENDED MOTION HERE? >> RIGHT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO READ IT THAT WAY, THEN LET'S SAY THAT I OR ANYONE DECIDES NOT TO RUN , BUT I GET TO FINISH MY TERM, SO, IF YOU'RE READING IT THE WAY YOU ARE READING IT, JUDGE, AS OF MARCH, EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T RUN FOR RE-ELECTION, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING I AM NOT, SO LET'S MAKE THAT CLEAR BEFORE THAT GETS OUT THERE, THAT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A SUPER 
          MAJORITY BUT >> I AM NOT. I WAS WANTING TO CHANGE THAT TO GENERAL ELECTION, BUT I THINK WE CAN ADD AN AMENDMENT TO THIS THAT STATES -- 
          >> IF SOMEONE DOESN'T RUN FOR OFFICE, THIS DOESN'T COUNT, 
          THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING. >> 
          >> IT SHOULDN'T OR YOU CAN DO YOUR JOB. 
          >> ALL -- YOU GET TO FINISH YOUR TERM THE WAY YOU -- 
          >> 
          >> I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU NEED -- I THINK IT IS IMPLIED, 
          ISN'T IT? >> IT IS IMPLIED TO ME, BUT LET'S ADD A CLARIFYING LINE IN THERE IF WE NEED TO AMEND THAT, 
          JUST TO -- >> SO, I WOULD OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THIS -- WHICH ? 
          >> JUST SAY THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT RUN FOR 
          RE-ELECTION. OKAY? >> SO THIS WOULD BE ITEM E, ITEM 
          F? >> OFFER ITEM F. IT PROBABLY SHOULD JUST BE ADDED TO ITEM D BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THEY ADDRESS IT. CAN WE ADD A LINE IN THERE IN D? 
          >> WE WILL ADD A SENTENCE TO ITEM D. PART 4 UNDER FINANCIAL ITEM D, WE WILL ADD A SENTENCE THAT SAYS THIS DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION. 
          >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. 
          >> MAKE THAT AMENDMENT. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. ANY OTHER 
          DISCUSSION? YES? >> CAN YOU REPEAT THAT, 
          COMMISSIONER? >> I WAS AFRAID HE WOULD ASK ME 
          THAT. >> HE SAID THIS DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU DO NOT RUN FOR RE-ELECTION. ASK A MOTION AND 
          SECOND? >> I SECONDED. YES. 
          >> SO, I MEAN, WHETHER YOU ARE -- I MEAN, IF YOU RUN AND YOU LOSE OR EVEN IF YOU DON'T, I DON'T WANT US TO BE HANDCUFFED, LIKE, SOONER CHESNEY SAID FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEARS. BUT IF YOU ARE A LAME DUCK FROM ELECTION DAY TO DECEMBER 31ST, THAT KEEPS WITH WHAT WE JUST DID, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN, BECAUSE WE MADE THAT DECISION. 
          THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF VOTES THAT WE TOOK WHEN COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ WAS HERE, AND IT WASN'T AIMED AT HIM, AND I AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COURT CLEARLY STATED IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE SOME OF US GOT ON HERE, IT HAS CONTINUED TO BE DONE, AND WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PUT IT IN WRITING, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THAT IS THERE. I GUESS THE ARGUMENT IS THAT WE WANT TO MAYBE INCLUDE THOSE THAT ARE NOT SEEKING, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE OUT, I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP FUNDING OR -- IF YOU ARE A LAME DUCK FROM ELECTION DAY TO THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU ARE A LAME DUCK, WHETHER YOU CHOSE TO BE OR WHETHER YOU WERE DEFEATED IN AN ELECTION, BUT STILL A LAME DUCK. NOW, I AM OKAY WITH THAT SHORT 
          WINDOW. >> FROM THE GENERAL ELECTION TO THE SWEARING IN OF JANUARY, YES, THAT IS A WINDOW WE ARE TALKING 
          ABOUT. >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          >> TO ME, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THAT, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU ARE CALLED -- ELECTED TO BE A COMMISSIONER, DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE A LAME DUCK OR NOT, SO YOU DO YOUR JOB, AND YOU ARE TRYING TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM DOING THEIR JOB, I DON'T THINK THAT IS OUR DECISION TO TELL SOMEBODY YOU CAN'T DO YOUR JOB. I DON'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT , BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT ANYBODY. I MEAN, EVERYTHING HAS TO COME TO THE COURT FOR APPROVAL ANYWAY, SO, WE HAVE RAISED $49,000 AND WE SAY NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROVE IT. SO, THERE IS AN AMENDMENT FOR THE P CARD. IF SOMETHING HE IS WORKING ON FOR A PROJECT, WE ARE GOING TO STOP ALL THE WORK ON THE PROJECT? COMMISSIONER. THE JOB ENDS IN DECEMBER OF THAT YEAR. 
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          >> AND I WILL SAY AGAIN, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP, WE DID THE SAME THING WHEN JUDGE SCOTT WAS COMING IN. 100%, WE STOPPED ALL HER SPENDING. COMMISSIONER, YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK. SHE TRIED TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF 
          THOUSANDS OF EXTRA DOLLARS. >> I REMEMBER STOPPING ALL FINANCIAL EXPENDITURES FOR JESSICA , SHE SPENT IT PROBABLY BEFORE SHE LEFT. NEXT BUT ONCE WE COULD STOP, WE STOPPED. 
          LAUGHTER ] >> ABOARD APPOINTMENTS, I 
          REMEMBER WE DID. >> IF YOU WANT TO DO THE SUPER MAJORITY FROM NOVEMBER ON, BUT MY CONCERN IS IF SOMEONE -- LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO READ THIS TO WHERE SOMEONE DOESN'T RUN FOR RE-ELECTION, THEN TECHNICALLY, YOU COULD READ IT AS THEY CAN'T 
          DO THEIR JOB FOR TWO YEARS. >> I DON'T LIKE THAT, EITHER. I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL ELECTION. 
          >> FINAL TWO MONTHS, BASICALLY. 
          >> RIGHT, JUST SAY THE OFFICIAL CANVAS OF THE PRIMARY -- THAT THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO IF YOU DO NOT RUN FOR RE-ELECTION FOR THE 
          MARCH -- FROM MARCH ON. >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO COMPLICATE THAT. JUST TALK ABOUT AFTER THE CANVAS, YOU KNOW, THE VOTES FOR THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION, AND THAT APPLIES TO ALL OF US, WHETHER YOU HAD A PRIMARY OR THERE WAS A PRIMARY 
          PERSON OR NOT. >> WHETHER YOU WEREN'T ON THE 
          BALLOT OR WHATEVER. >> I THINK I AM MORE FOR SIMPLICITY ON THAT. I WANT TO KEEP WITH THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE HAD, AND BY THE WAY, WE HAD AN APPOINTMENT IN DECEMBER 2016, I WAS ELECTED IN NOVEMBER 2016, PREVIOUS COURT DID NOT GIVE ME THAT COURTESY TO VOTE ON THAT. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE CORRECTED THOSE APPOINTMENTS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT. SO, I MEAN, JUST FOR CONTEXT, RIGHT? SO, I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYTHING. LET'S YOU WANT TO TAKE THE PRIMARY 
          OUT? >> I AM JUST SAYING, LET'S MAKE THE LANGUAGE EASIER. I GET WHAT COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS SAYING, TOO. HEY, IT STILL COMES DOWN TO A VOTE, BUT ALSO, FOR US AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW WHEN IT IS NOT AN ISSUE. IT IS NOT PARTICULAR TO ONE PERSON. A SITUATION STILL MAYBE WITHIN MONTHS OF REFERENCING WITH THE LAST TIME THAT THIS CAME UP, BUT LOOKING FORWARD, WE ARE A LITTLE UNDER 21 MONTHS FOR THIS HAPPENS AGAIN, SO, I'M GLAD WE ARE DOING IT NOW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE LANGUAGE AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, SO IT IS AS EASY TO UNDERSTAND AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT JUST A LAME DUCK PERIOD FROM THE GENERAL ELECTION, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE REFERENCED AND HOW WE HAVE 
          BEEN PRACTICING THESE LAST -- >> THEN TAKE OUT THE WORD PRIMARY. THAT'S AT LEAST THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. WE DID IT WHEN JUDGE CANALIS CAME IN, WE DID IT WHEN COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ WAS COMING IN, COMMISSIONER YVONNE, SHE HAD SOME PROJECTS AND WE STOPPED THEM. THE ONLY WAY WE GOT TO DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WAS BECAUSE WE ALLOWED COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ TO COME IN AND SAY NO, WE ACTUALLY DID A 180 ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, WE WERE GOING TO CLOSE DOWN HILLTOP AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH HILLTOP, AND WE ALLOW DEFERENCE FROM THE COMMISSIONER TO COME IN AND SAY, NO, I WANT TO RESURRECT IT, I WANT TO SAVE IT, AND WE DID THAT. IN HINDSIGHT, I THINK WE DID THE RIGHT THING, SO I AM OKAY WITH PUTTING THE BRAKES ON SOMEONE WHO IS IN A LAME DUCK SESSION. I DON'T WANT IT TO APPLY FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, I DON'T WANT IT TO APPLY TO MARCH OF A PRIMARY YEAR, I'M JUST SAYING ONCE THAT GENERAL ELECTION IS DONE AND WE KNOW WHO THE COMMISSIONER IS, EVEN IF THEY ARE UNOPPOSED, AND NOT UNTIL THE BOOK HAS BEEN CANVASSED, I AM OKAY WITH THAT. 
          >> YOU TAKE OUT THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, COMMISSIONER PUSLEY, IF YOU ARE AGREEABLE TO -- YOU COULD PULL YOUR AMENDMENT AND 
          LET'S JUST OMIT THIS ONE LINE. >> YEAH, I WILL WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT PROTECTS IF YOU TAKE OUT THE LINE IN THE SAYING THE DAY FOLLOWING THE RESULTS OF THE OFFICIAL CANVAS OF THE PRIMARY, 
          DELETE THAT. >> OKAY. THEN IT GOES TO -- 
          >> JUST THE WORDS OF THE PRIMARY? 
          >> IF I COULD IMPOSE ON THE COURT, THERE IS A LEGISLATIVE HISTORY THAT DOES SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I AM HAPPY TO TAKE IT INTO EXECUTIVE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL IT THERE. 
          >> OKAY. SO, WHICH LINE ARE WE DELETING, YOUR HONOR? 
          >> LET'S PULL THIS INTO EXECUTIVE. 
          >> SO WE ARE GOING TO TABLE THIS FOR THE MOMENT? 
          >> WE WILL BRING IT BACK AFTER EXECUTIVE. YES. 
          [9.  Discuss and consider upcoming Commissioners Court meeting date(s), workshop date(s), and related matters.]
          >> OKAY. EXCUSE ME, I AM SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY. LET'S TRY TO 
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GET A FEW MORE THINGS DONE. ITEM NUMBER IN 9, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER UPCOMING COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING DATES, WORKSHOP DATES, AND RELATED MATTERS. I THINK EVERYONE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED AND AGREED UPON A SPECIAL MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 26TH. ONE ITEM AGENDA DISCUSSING COUNTY ASSETS, AS YOU ALLUDED TO , COMMISSIONER MAREZ, EARLIER. AND THEN YOUR SUGGESTION WAS BECAUSE OF THE CONFERENCE TO CHANGE THE MARCH 5TH MEETING TO MARCH 12TH. 
          >> WAIT, CAN WE GO ONE AT A TIME? EVERY 26, I DON'T THINK I GOT CONFIRMATION ON WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT ONE. 
          >> FEBRUARY 26, 9:00 A.M., I THOUGHT EVERYONE HAD A GREAT 
          THAT DATE WAS AVAILABLE. >> I JUST DIDN'T GET -- I'M NOT SURE -- THAT IS FINE. I WAS NOTIFIED, I JUST DON'T THINK I GOT IT BACK THAT IT WAS CONFIRMED. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. 
          >> I APPRECIATE IT. >> LIKE A WORKSHOP? 
          >> IT SHOULD JUST BE ONE ITEM AGENDA. WE WILL DISCUSS ASSETS 
          AND COMBINE THOSE. >> WERE WE PROPOSING TO TAKE 
          ACTION? >> WE DON'T HAVE TO. 
          >> WE CAN DO A WORKSHOP OR I THINK WE KEEP OPTIONS OPEN TO WHERE WE COULD DO AN ACTION IF WE WANTED TO. OKAY. 
          >> I'M GOOD, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. WHAT ARE YOU 
          SAYING ON THIS NEXT ONE? >> AND THEN THERE IS A SUGGESTION TO CHANGE OUR MARCH 5TH MEETING TO MARCH 12TH, THAT WOULD GIVE US BACK TO BACK MEETINGS, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE OF 
          THE CONFERENCE. >> I AM OUT THAT WEEK. 
          >> AND I AM NOT GOING ANYMORE, SO COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM? WITH ALL THE STUFF GOING ON, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT 
          -- SO -- MARCH 5TH? >> I GOT TO CHECK MY CALENDAR, I 
          MIGHT BE IN AUSTIN. >> ON THE FIFTH OR THE 12TH? SO HE IS GOING TO BE GONE, TOO. SO, I THINK WE JUST DO NOT HAVE A MEETING AND HAVE ONE MEETING IN MARCH IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO THAT. SPRING BREAK, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, IF Y'ALL WANT TO 
          DO THAT. >> THIS MONTH, WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE FIFTH AND THE 26TH. SO, THE NEXT FIVE WEDNESDAYS, FOUR OUT OF THE NEXT FIVE WEDNESDAYS. 
          >> SO MAYBE WE JUST OMIT THE MARCH 5TH MEETING. 
          >> I DIDN'T PLAN THAT, IT NOW HAS HAPPENED THAT WAY. BUT THEN WE ARE GOING TO END UP HAVING BACK TO BACK IF WE DO THE 12TH AND THE 19TH. 
          WOULD ASK FOR A LIGHT AGENDA ON MARCH 5TH. THAT'S ALL I WILL ASK, IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN AT LEAST 
          >> I AM OKAY IF WE NEED TO ADD SOME THINGS TO THE 26TH TO GET ALL THE LIGHT STUFF DONE, COMMISSIONER MAREZ, TO ACCOMMODATE MARCH 5TH REQUEST, BECAUSE THAT IS OKAY. I MEAN, I 
          WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE -- >> JUST ONE SECOND, I THINK LISA 
          AS A QUESTION FOR >> IF I COULD JUST ADD THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE PAVEMENT -- PAYMENT APPROVALS. 
          >> LET'S JUST CHANGE MARCH 5TH TO FEBRUARY 26 IF EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH THAT. WE ARE NOT CANCELING, WE'RE JUST CHANGING. 
          >> DO ALL OF IT IN ONE? OKAY, YES. WE WILL HAVE BACK TO BACK 
          TO BACK MEETINGS. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM 
          WITH THAT ONE? >> THE 19TH AND 26TH. 
          >> AND NO MARCH 5TH MEETING. >> OKAY. 
          >> WE ARE SWITCHING THE MARCH MEETING TO FEBRUARY 26. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, MARCH 5TH TO FEBRUARY 26. 
          >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AND THE NEXT ONE WILL BE THE 
          19TH. >> YES, IN MARCH. 
          >> SOMEBODY, PLEASE GET THAT TO OUR ASSISTANT, SO THEY CAN MARK 
          OUR CALENDARS, PLEASE. >> WE SHOULD ALREADY BE ON THERE FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND THE 26, BECAUSE -- THAT'S WHAT MEETING 
          DID WE CANCEL? >> MARCH 5TH. 
          >> WE SWITCHED THE FIFTH TWO -- SINCE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING ANYWAY ON ASSETS, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO THE 26. 
          >> TO THE FEBRUARY 26 MEETING? >> YES, IT SHOULD ALREADY BE ON YOUR CALENDAR BECAUSE HE RESPONDED THAT YOU ARE AVAILABLE. AND WE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT, DID I VOTE? YES, JUST REGULAR MEETING NOW, YES. IT WILL BE SPECIAL BECAUSE IT IS 
          NOT AT OUR REGULAR TIME POINT >> IT IS ON WEDNESDAY, SO IT IS 
          NOT A SPECIAL MEETING. >> WHAT? I CAN'T SEE HER MOUTH OVER THE MONITOR. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE 
          [1.  Adopt a resolution authorizing the submission of a "No Match" grant application to the Texas Office of the Governor, Public Safety Office, Criminal Justice Division for the Nueces County Innovations to Address Commercial Sexual Exploitation Project.]
IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM B1, ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUBMISSION OF A NO MATCHING GRANT APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS OFFICE OF GOVERNOR, PUBLIC 
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SAFETY , TO ADDRESS THE COMMERCIAL SEXUAL EXPLOITATION PROJECT, AND THIS, I DID CHECK, AND I KNOW THE CITY ASKED US TO APPLY FOR THIS . A CITY CANNOT APPLY, IT HAS TO COME FROM THE COUNTY, AND WE WERE HAPPY TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AND DO THIS, SO I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE AS WELL, 
          [1.  Approve Budget Amendment No. 03 for Fiscal Year 2024-2025.]
WITHOUT TAKING TOO LONG BEFORE WE WILL GO TO EXECUTIVE. ITEM C1, APPROVE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER 3 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025. IN MY NOTES, I HAVE THE ISSUE WITH PAYING THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS IN THIS, SO SINCE WE ALL HEARD THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT IT IS INCLUDED IN THIS TO PAY THAT DEBT THAT WE OWE. GO AHEAD, LISA. 
          >> I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT A BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER 3 FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL AS THE JUDGE JUST INDICATED, THIS DOES INCLUDE THE REALLOCATION OF FUNDS TO COVER THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT INCREASE. IT ALSO IS REALLOCATING SOME FUNDS AS REQUESTED BY THE SHERIFF. IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER 
          QUESTIONS -- >> I MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS. 
          >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY 
          OPPOSED? >> I'M JUST GOING TO ABSTAIN 
          BECAUSE I'M JUST NOT -- >> WE HAVE ONE ABSTAIN. 
          >> ON THE 79 580, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE OTHER ONES, IT 
          [2.  Approve Project Budget Amendment No. 009.]
IS JUST THE ONE -- I'M ABSTAINING BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          >> ONE ABSTAIN. ITEM NUMBER 2, APPROVE BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER 
          009. >> I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT PROJECT BUDGET AMENDMENT 009. THIS INCLUDES THE INCREASE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING 9/30/24 FOR THE INTEREST EARNED IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, THAT IS REFERENCE NUMBER E, AND IT TOTALS $2,352,476 AND 10 CENTS , THEN IT ALSO INCLUDES A BUDGET INCREASE FOR THE ROAD DISTRICT RENT FOR THE HARBOR ISLANDS THAT WE RECEIVE ANNUALLY, AND SO THAT INCREASE WAS $131,509 AND 70 79 CENTS. ALL OF THEIR FUNDS ARE BEING REALLOCATED WITHIN A NET 
          ZERO EFFECT. >> ANY QUESTIONS OR I WILL 
          ACCEPT A MOTION? >> MOTION. 
          >> I WOULD JUST ASK THAT -- SORRY, MY BAD. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF YOU ALL COULD PROVIDE THIS IN A BIGGER FONT GOING FORWARD? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY. I DON'T HAVE GLASSES AT ALL, BUT WOW, I HAVE REALLY HAD A HARD TIME WITH THIS. 
          [3.  Discuss and consider authorizing Patillo, Brown & Hill LLP to prepare the Annual Comprehensive Financial Report (ACFR), and all related matters.]
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 3, DISCUSSED PATILLO, BROWN & HILL LLP TO PREPARE THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE OF FINANCIAL REPORT. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ASKED THIS IN THE PAST, BUT 
          WE HAVE NEVER UTILIZED THIS. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, JUDGE. THEY HAVE OFFERED TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE IN THE PAST, WE HAVE NEVER TAKEN THEM UP ON OFFER, GIVEN THAT IT IS A SMALL REQUEST NOT TO EXCEED TRANSIT -- 
          >> THE OFFICE IS SORELY SHORTHANDED RIGHT NOW, SO I 
          WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS. >> I SECOND, AND SO, THE QUESTION ON THAT, JUDGE, TO LISA. 
          >> ACFR. >> THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCE REPORT, SO WE WOULD GET THEM , BUT IT WAS NOT PATILLO, 
          BROWN & HILL LLP? >> SO THEY AUDITED THE REPORT THAT WE PREPARED, SO NOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE PREPARING THE REPORT WITH OUR BUTT INFORMATION, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? 
          THE MOTION PASSES. >> JUDGE, CAN I GO BACK AND ASK 
          A QUESTION ON NUMBER 2? SORRY. >> YES. 
          >> YOU MENTIONED DISTRICT 4, CAN YOU REITERATE WHAT WE DID ON 
          ROAD DISTRICT 4? >> IT IS AN INCREASE FROM THE RENT WE RECEIVED FROM HARBOUR ISLAND. YOU ARE NOT REALLOCATING, IT IS GOING FROM YOUR UNALLOCATED FUNDS TO BE 
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ALLOCATED AT A FUTURE DATE. EVERY YEAR, THERE IS A REVENUE 
          THAT IS EARNED. >> BUT DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT VOTE AS OF ROAD DISTRICT 4, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MEET ON ANYTHING REGARDING ROAD DISTRICT 4 AS A SEPARATE ROAD DISTRICT 4 GROUP. ASK ABOUT THE REVENUE WAS ALREADY RECEIVED AND APPROVED. 
          IT IS JUST PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET, SO BEFORE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND THE BUDGET, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE 
          COMMITTEE, WROTE DISTRICT 4. >> IT IS A TECHNICALITY, BUT I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          >> UNLESS JENNY THINKS OTHERWISE, I WILL REFER TO HER. 
          >> I WAS NOT LISTENING. >> 
          >> OH MY GOSH, YOU WERE NOT COMPELLED BY WHAT WE SAY UP HERE? I WAS JUST MAKING SURE -- I KNOW THIS IS JUST ACCEPTING FUNDS AND WE HAVEN'T ALLOCATED OR SPENT IT, WROTE DISTRICT 4 IS A SEPARATE ENTITY, SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE EVEN APPROVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND EXCEPT WROTE DISTRICT 4 MONEY WHEN WE ARE NOT AS WROTE DISTRICT 4, THAT IS THE QUESTION. 
          >> THE REVENUE HAS ALREADY BEEN DEPOSITED, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL ACTION. THIS IS JUST INCREASING THE BUDGET. SO THAT THEY WOULD 
          BE ABLE TO SPEND LATER. I -- >> WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO MEET 
          AGAIN? >> WE HAVE DONE IT EVERY YEAR 
          WITHOUT PAY >> WE DON'T MEET UNTIL WE ARE 
          READY TO SPEND. >> WE HAVE DONE IT EVERY OTHER YEAR, BUT I KNOW THIS PRECEDENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY -- 
          >> COULD BECOME BACK IN AS WROTE DISTRICT 4 BOARD MEMBERS? 
          >> WE CAN LOOK AT THE ISSUE, BUT IT IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE MINUTE. WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE AN ANSWER BY THE END OF THE 
          MEETING. >> WE WILL BRING IT BACK IF WE HAVE TO, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ACCEPTED -- I THINK IT IS PRETTY 
          SIMPLE. >> IT MAY BE FINE, I DON'T REMEMBER EVER ACTUALLY ACCEPTING WROTE DISTRICT 4 MONEY, BUT -- MEANING I THOUGHT WE ALWAYS DID IT AS WROTE DISTRICT 4, BUT IF JENNY SAYS OKAY AND YOU ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT, I WAS JUST BRINGING IT UP, SO I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH 
          >> IF YOU CAN CHECK, WE WILL BRING IT BACK. 
          >> IF YOU DON'T, WE WILL LEAVE IT ALONE. 
          >> COMMISSIONER, THESE ARE ALSO MONIES FROM LAST YEAR. SO, THIS 
          [4.  Discuss and consider long term receivable due to the General Fund that is due from the Self-Insurance Fund (01030-Group Health), and all related matters.]
          YEAR'S FUNDS HAVE COME IN ALSO. >> I HAVE SEEN ALL THOSE EMAILS, I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE ARE ACCEPTING IT CORRECTLY. 
          >> ITEM NUMBER 4, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER LONG-TERM RECEIVABLE DUE TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT IS FROM THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND, 01030 , THE GROUP HEALTH AND ALL RELATED MATTERS. THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS HERE THAT LISA IS SAYING WE NEED TO CLEAR THESE FROM OUR BOOKS, BUT I WILL LET YOU TAKE OVER. 
          >> I SPOKE WITH PATILLO, BROWN & HILL LLP REGARDING THIS ISSUE AND THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO. A COMMISSIONERS COURT CAN TAKE ACTION, THAT IT IS YOUR INTENT THAT YOU WILL INCREASE PREMIUMS, EITHER EMPLOYEE, EMPLOYER, BOTH, IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT IS YOUR INTENT TO INCREASE PREMIUMS TO PAY THIS DEBT BACK, AND IT CAN BE SPENT -- IT CAN BE PAID OUT BACK OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. THAT'S HOW MANY MULTIPLE YEARS? 
          >> UNTIL THE DEBT IS PAID. DIDN'T GIVE ME A TIME FRAME. 
          THEY SAID IT HAS TO BE YOUR INTENT. IF EXPENSES COME IN HIGHER AND YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO MOVE THE FUNDS, AGAIN, YOU WOULD JUST INCREASE PREMIUMS UNTIL YOU ARE ABLE TO PAY THE DEBT IN 
          FULL. >> GOOD LUCK. 
          >> YEAH, WHAT IS THE POINT, THOUGH, YOU TOLD ME THAT IF WE VOTED TO DO THIS, THAT WOULD ALSO BE BINDING US TO INCREASE TAXES. X NO, IT WOULD GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO INCREASE TAXES. IT WOULD GIVE YOU THE OPTION. THE OPTION TO INCREASE TAXES BECAUSE I WANT TO CLARIFY IN COURT BECAUSE I WANTED EVERYBODY 
          APPEARED TO KNOW. >> 
          >> SO, WHENEVER YOU VOTE TO SET THE PREMIUMS FOR THE EMPLOYEE AND THE EMPLOYER, TYPICALLY SOON THEREAFTER, YOU ADOPT A BUDGET AND SET THE TAX RATE. SET THE TAX RATE FIRST, THEN ADOPT THE BUDGET. SO, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SET A TAX RATE THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO FUND THE HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS , 
          SHOULD YOU CHOOSE -- >> BUT AS LONG AS WE ARE MAKING PAYMENTS, WE ARE OKAY, WHATEVER THAT PAYMENT IS. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. YES. 
          >> OR THE SECOND ONE IS TO WAIVE IT AND IT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WHAT ABOUT THE THIRD OPTION OF TAKING MONEY THAT WE GET, LIKE THAT WE JUST GOT FOR THE PILOT PAYMENTS FOR CC PALMERS, IT WASN'T BUDGETED, AND PUTTING SOME OF THAT TOWARDS 
          IT? >> THAT MONEY GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. AND SO, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE DOING THE SAME THING, WHICH IS MOVING MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO -- 
          >> WELL KNOW, IT WOULD BE DESIGNATING -- IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULDN'T BE DIGGING DOWN INTO OUR RESERVES ANY MORE THAN WE ARTY HAVE, IT WOULD BE TAKING MONEY THAT WE JUST GOT THAT WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT TO DO WITH, AND PUTTING IT TOWARDS THIS , AND SPECIFICALLY ALLOCATING IT TOWARD IT. MAYBE 
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THE SAME NET EFFECT, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY A MORE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT -- YEAH, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. 
          >> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE ASKED QUESTION ABOUT MR. MARK IF THE MONEY THAT WAS BEING COLLECTED COULD BE THAT PAYMENT THAT HAD BEEN -- THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE. 
          REMEMBER THAT ONE, JENNY, WE ASKED IF THAT MONEY COULD BE 
          UTILIZED FOR THAT? >> THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING. 
          THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I AM LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR, BECAUSE THE ONE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN, WHICH IS NOT PART OF ANY SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS, IT IS JUST WHAT IS OWED, SO THAT IS EXACTLY -- JUDGE, THAT IS COMPLETELY ON POINT. 
          >> SO, YES. >> WELL, THAT ONE IS COMING IN 
          -- >> YOU COULD ALSO DO A 
          COMBINATION, SAY THAT WE -- >> BUT THAT WOULD BE BUDGET TIME, YOU CAN'T DO THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          >> WE JUST RECEIVED -- HOW MUCH DID WE JUST RECEIVED? NOT SETTLEMENT STUFF, BUT MONEY THAT THEY OWED US, IT WAS LIKE TWO CHUNKS OF MONEY, 1.6 AND 900,000? I THOUGHT IT WAS CLOSER 
          TO TWO. >> THE PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES? 
          >> PILOT PAYMENTS. WE GOT TWO OF THEM THAT WE ARE OWED. THAT IS THE UNDISPUTED AMOUNT THAT THEY HAVE PAID US, WE STILL HAVE A DISPUTED AMOUNT THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT IS SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS. BUT THAT MONEY, AND THEN DO A HYBRID TO WHERE YOU TOOK THAT MONEY AND COMMITTED TO MAKING THE REST OF 
          IT IN PAYMENTS. >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT WAS, I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I -- I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK. >> IT MAY BE WE BRING THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY 19TH, IN OUR MEETING. 
          >> I THINK IF WE COULD JUST GET THE NUMBER -- 
          [5.  Discuss the Budget Transfer from Fund 014-Stadium & Fairgrounds to Fund 017-Inland Parks for reimbursement of billed grounds maintenance services that exceeded the 23/24 budgeted transfer, and all related matters.]
          >> I CAN GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU AFTER EXECUTIVE. 
          >> OKAY, WE WILL COME BACK TO THIS ONE THEN, YES. ITEM NUMBER 5, DISCUSS THE BUDGET TRANSFER FROM FUND 014-STADIUM AND FAIRGROUNDS TO FUND 017-INLET PARTS FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF BUILDING AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE SERVICES THAT EXCEEDED THE 2023-2024 BUDGET TRANSFER. I BELIEVE IT WAS FOR 35,000, TRANSFER TO COVER PART OF THE INMAN PARK SHORTAGE, AND THE NEXT ITEM, 6 , KIND OF PERTAINS TO THIS AS WELL, SO I AM NOT SURE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BRING THESE BOTH UP AT THE SAME 
          TIME? >> DO WE HAVE EDWARD HERE, 
          JUDGE? >> THIS IS NOT -- AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THIS SHORTAGE WAS UTILITIES, AND THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT EDWARD , THEY OVERSPENT ON THEIR BUDGET, TO 
          GET AN AMOUNT. >> BUT WE ARE PULLING FROM HIS 
          BUDGET, FROM HIS FUND. >> NO, WE ARE ADDING TO HIS 
          FUND. BECAUSE HE IS SHORT. >> I'M SORRY, WE ARE ADDING TO 
          IT. >> AND FROM THE GENERAL FUND, LIKE IF IT IS ABOUT 80,000, THEN HE NEEDS -- I THINK IT WAS AN INVOICE FOR $25,000 FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS THAT WE 
          HAVE INCREASED TO 35,000. >> I HAD QUESTIONS ON THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THIS WAS 
          EXACTLY. >> INLAND PARKS HAS BEEN DOING THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND -- I'M GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO BE ASKING, I HAVE GOT A COPY OF THE CONTRACT WITH THE OBG PEOPLE, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT YET, BUT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE HAVING TO HAVE INLAND PARKS TO TAKE CARE OF A FACILITY THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF, BECAUSE WHEN WE MADE THE LPG DEAL AT THE CITY WITH THEM, PART OF THAT CONTRACT SAID THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE GROUNDS AND THE CITY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOWING AND TRIMMING THE HEDGES AND ALL THAT STUFF, SO, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE ARE TAKING THIS OUT OF EDWARDS TIME AND BUDGET ANYWAY. 
          >> YOU CAN GO LOOK AT IT SOME MORE? 
          >> IT IS HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE 
          TABLE. >> THEY HAVE DONE THE WORK 
          ALREADY, SO, >> CAN WE TABLE IT UNTIL HE GETS 
          BACK? >> IS EDWARD HERE? 
          >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE DOING THIS. I GET IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. WHO IS APPROVING IT RESTAURANT 
          >> HE EXPLAINED IT TO ME, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK IT IS HELP FOR HIM TO BE HERE TO EXPLAIN BETTER. WE ARE ALWAYS ASKING THEM, LIKE WITH THE TURTLE ISSUE, I KNEW WE WERE SET BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS BEEN CREATED. AND IN THE SAME SENSE ON THE HUMAN SIDE, EDWARD IS A BIG PART OF THAT WHEN HE MOBILIZES WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND I GOT TO SEE THAT FIRST HAND, SITTING IN THE NUMBER 1 CHAIR DURING THAT TIME, SO I KNOW HE DOES A LOT OF WHAT WE ASK HIM, HE DOES ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND SO, I THINK SOMETIMES IT IS REQUIRED AND ASKED OF HIM TO DO A LOT MORE . 
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THAT COMES UP, DEALING WITH WEATHER-RELATED EMERGENCIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO I GET IT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE HIM HERE AND I HOPE THAT -- 
          >> I AGREE AND WE WILL HAVE HIM COME BACK IN JUST A SECOND, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THIS, EDWARDS BUDGET BEING OVER THIS TIME IS NOT EDWARDS -- THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN 
          ALLOCATED TO HIM. YES. >> NOT THE TIME TO BEAT YOU UP, EDWARD, IT IS A TIME TO EXPLAIN, SO WE ALL IN THE PUBLIC 
          UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED HERE. >> ITEM 5, THE TRANSFER WE ARE 
          TALKING ABOUT. >> COMMISSIONER PUSLEY, YOU'RE CORRECT. BACK IN THE DAY, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, AT THAT TIME IT WAS SPECTRA AND THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH VARIOUS NAME CHANGES, THIS WAS WHEN STEVE WAS HERE. THIS WAS IN THEIR CONTRACT TO MAINTAIN THE SITE. SO, THEY HAD PROBABLY ADDITIONAL 10, 15 PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE SITE, SO IT GOT TOO EXPENSIVE. BECAUSE AGAIN, ALL IT IS IS A PASTOR. THEY'RE GOING TO TELL US, OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO HIRE THREE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN THE YARD OUT HERE, SO WE ARE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR US MAINTAINING THE YARD, SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TRANSFER MONEY BACK TO THEM, SO THE CONTRACT INCREASES. SO, IN THIS SCENARIO, WHAT HAPPENED WAS STEVE WATERMAN AND THE COURT AT THAT TIME DECIDED THEY WERE GOING TO REDUCE THAT COST. THERE IS NO OVERHEAD TO US, IT IS JUST AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE ARE TAKING OUT OF THE PARK SYSTEMS . IT IS TIME SLICED, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OVERHEAD, WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A PROFIT, WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE, SO THAT WAS WHAT THE IDEA WAS. WE COME IN, WE CUT THEIR YARD, WE GENERALLY TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY, AND WE REDUCE THE COST THAT WE PAY THE COMPANY. 
          >> BECAUSE JUST LIKE HE SAYS, THE FAIRGROUNDS OPERATES AT A LOSS, WE TRANSFER MONEY TO THEM EVERY YEAR. 
          >> TRUST ME, I UNDERSTAND THAT FULLY, SO DOES ABC CENTER. SO, JUST WHAT I WOULD SAY ON A GOING FORWARD BASIS, IF WE ARE GOING TO EXPECT EDWARD AND HIS DEPARTMENT TO DO THIS, THEN WE NEED TO BUDGET THIS MONEY NEXT YEAR IN HIS BUDGET, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS TRANSFER AGAIN. 
          >> YEAH, BECAUSE AREN'T WE JUST BASICALLY STEALING FROM PETER TO 
          PAY PAUL? >> THAT'S CORRECT. YES. SO, IT 
          SHOULD BE IN EDWARDS. >> BUT WHEN WE ASKED THE PEOPLE TO CUT, EDWARD HAS TO CUT. THERE IS NOWHERE -- I WOULD SAY EASIER. EDWARD HAS TO PRIORITIZE AS ANY DIRECTOR OR ELECTED OFFICIAL DOES, SO, I'M GOING TO SAY WE PUT HIM IN THAT SPOT, BUT THE DECISIONS WE MADE BY POLICY HAS PUT THEM IN A BIND, AND 
          THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. >> JUST A REMINDER. BUDGET TIME IS GOING TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT AND EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHO DO I SAVE? LET'S BUT IF WE CUT AND WE ARE JUST GIVING IT BACK, THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY CUT. 
          >> I AGREE. >> OR WE CAN LEAVE IT IN THE FAIRGROUNDS FUND AND JUST DEDICATE A LINE ITEM IN THE FAIRGROUNDS FUND FOR MAINTENANCE, WHICH WILL BE 
          PROVIDED. >> THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS. SO, IT IS EXPENSIVE FROM FAIRGROUNDS TO ADD REVENUE TO INLAND PARK, YOU'RE JUST MOVING MONEY FROM FAIRGROUNDS TO INLAND PARK TO COVER HIS ACTUAL COST THAT HE INCURRED DURING THE 
          YEAR. IT IS REIMBURSING HIM. >> THAT IS PART OF THE 10% OR WHATEVER PERCENT WE ASKED TO CUT, THAT IS STILL INCLUDED IN THERE. LET'S BUT HE HAS KNOWN ALL ALONG HE WAS GOING TO DO THIS, SO IN OTHER WORDS -- SO, THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DOING FOR A LONG TIME, SO, I DON'T -- I MEAN -- 
          >> IF YOU CUT THIS, IT IS NOT AN ACTUAL CUT, THEN. 
          >> IF YOU ARE QUOTING WATERMAN, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 10 
          YEARS, 15 YEARS? >> 
          >> SO THEN, WHY WOULDN'T THIS HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN YOUR BUDGET? I MEAN, I DON'T -- I DON'T GET IT. I MEAN, BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY MADE A CUT AND WE ARE JUST GIVING IT BACK TO YOU, 
          THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT. >> YOU DIDN'T SAY THIS WAS CUT RELATED. I'M JUST RESPONDING TO THAT. I GET IT, BUT I DON'T GET WHY WE ARE REIMBURSING OUT OF A FUND THAT -- IT'S JUST 
          REIMBURSING FROM OURSELVES. >> RIGHT, BUT I THINK THE IDEA WAS FROM THE FINANCE SECTION, THEY'RE JUST TRACKING THE ACTUAL EXPENSES OF THE FACILITY, AS THEY CAN GIVE YOU WHAT IT COSTS. THE COSTS COMING INTO THE PARKS, THE COSTS RUNNING INTO THE PARK THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ACCURATE MAYBE THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT THE REASON THAT WE CAME INTO IT WAS A COST SAVINGS TO THE COUNTY, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE OVERHEAD, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, I FIGURED THEY COULD SAVE FUNDING. 
          >> BUT IN REALITY -- WOULDN'T PUBLIC WORKS BE INVOLVED IN 
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SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IS IT REALLY -- 
          >> THE THING IS PUBLIC WORKS IS TASKED WITH THE ROAD AND BRIDGE, SO ANYTHING AT THAT TIME THAT WENT PAST THE ROAD AND BRIDGE, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY CHARGE YOU MORE FOR. SO, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IF I WANTED TO BORROW ANY OF GLENN'S EQUIPMENT, BACK IN THE DAY -- HE WOULD CHARGE YOU. SO, HE WOULD CHARGE YOU FOR THE VAN. 
          MATERIAL 
          >> AND HE WOULD TELL YOU THAT. HE WOULD TELL YOU THAT, EDWARD, I AM MORE EXPENSIVE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GET A TRUCKING COMPANY 
          TO COME IN? >> OKAY, SO HE IS NOT HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD SOMEONE CAN'T SAY THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE AN INTERNAL DEPARTMENT MORE THAN OUTSIDE WOULD, THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE TO ME, BUT OKAY. 
          >> EXACTLY. IT HAPPENS. >> I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T, BUT I AM HOPING IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE. LIKE I WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU NEED HELP FROM COASTAL PARKS OR INLAND PARKS OR COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS OR WHATEVER, THAT Y'ALL JUST PASS IT ON FOR 
          COST, NOT COST-PLUS, BECAUSE -- >> THAT'S WHAT HE IS DOING, HE IS GIVING IT TO YOU AT COST. THE COST OF HIS LABOR FOR HIS PEOPLE TO GO DO THIS, INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ELSE, THAT WOULD BE 
          THEIR ROUTINE JOB. >> RIGHT, SO THIS IS A BUDGETING PROBLEM, BECAUSE THIS NEEDS TO -- I MEAN, IF WE ARE TRYING TO SHOW WHAT REALLY IT COSTS TO RUN THE FAIRGROUNDS, THEN THIS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A TRANSFERABLE FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO THE OTHER, WE NEED TO HAVE MAINTENANCE FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THAT NEEDS TO BE BUDGETED TO SHOW HOW BIG OF A LOSS THAT IS 
          PROVIDING US. >> WE BUDGETED 25,000, THE ACTUAL COST OF HIS LABOR CAME IN AT 35, WHICH IS THE VARIANCE. IT IS A $10,000 VARIANCE. WE BUDGETED 25, BUT BECAUSE -- IF IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN -- ASK IF YOU BUDGETED, IT STILL HAS TO 
          TRANSFER. >> YES, WE HAVE ALREADY TRANSFERRED THE 25. I WANTED COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVAL TO 
          TRANSFER THE DIFFERENCE. >> I GET IT, BUT THIS IS WHY THE PUBLIC IS CONFUSED ON HOW THINGS WORK, THIS IS WHY. WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE EVERY YEAR, IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          >> 25 ONLY. >> THERE ARE BUDGETING 
          SHORTAGES. >> YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, THIS IS SOMETHING DALE BROUGHT UP LAST YEAR. YOU KNOW, WHEN I MET WITH YOU, IF WE KNOW IT HAPPENED LAST YEAR AND WE KEEP AN EYE ON IT, IT COMES FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT, THEY SHOULD BE WATCHING WHAT IS GOING ON, BUT RED FLAG AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, I NEED TO TAKE THIS TO COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR THEM TO APPROVE. SO WE WILL KNOW WHERE 
          THEY'RE AT. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          >> THAT'S WHAT OUR PERSON IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AS WELL. 
          >> 
          >> WE RECEIVED ALL THE INVOICES FROM OCTOBER 1ST THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2024 IN JANUARY, WHEN THEY WERE SUBMITTED AFTER WE REQUESTED THEM. SO -- HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO KNOW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE -- 
          >> WHEN ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE SUBMITTED? 
          >> NORMALLY -- I MEAN, YOU COULD DO IT MONTHLY. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING AGAINST IT, BUT I BELIEVE NORMALLY HE HAS DONE IT 
          AT THE END OF THE YEAR. >> THIS IS A STANDARD PRACTICE? 
          >> ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR QUARTERLY BASIS. 
          >> AND THE PROBLEM IS WE ARE ALWAYS BEHIND THREE MONTHS. THAT IS THE BIG PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BY THE TIME ] , NOW WE ARE BEHIND FIVE MONTHS. SO, IT HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING, A RED FLAG, SAFEWAY, WE HAVE GOT TO STOP. AND LET US DECIDE WHERE WE GET THE MONEY AT THAT TIME OR HOW WE PAY IT. 
          THAT'S THE THING WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER, IN THE CASE OF CUTTING THE FAIRGROUNDS, OUT THERE, WE SPENT ABOUT A WEEK OUT THERE, GETTING EVERYTHING PERFECT FOR THAT EVENT, AND NOT BEING POLITICAL, I'M JUST MENTIONING THAT EVENT. PERIODIC EVENTS THAT COME THROUGH WHERE THE COUNTY HAS TO SHINE, AND WE HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND WE HAVE GOT TO REALLY, REALLY MAKE IT LOOK REALLY, REALLY GOOD. 
          BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN WE RUN THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OUT OF THERE, YOU HAVE GOT YOUR NATIONAL NEWS COVERAGE COMING OUT TO THE SITE TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF OUR OPERATIONS, WE TRY TO PLAN FOR THAT, COMMISSIONER, TWO-YEAR DEAL, AND MAYBE WE DO AS LISA SAY, NOW WE DO QUARTERLY INSTEAD 
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OF WAITING UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          >> OR MONTHLY, I THINK MONTHLY IS A GREAT IDEA, THEN YOU KNOW 
          WHERE YOU ARE EVERY MONTH. >> WE WILL START INVOICING 
          MONTHLY. >> TO YOU, IT WAS NOT JUST FOR MAINTENANCE, IT WAS ALSO FOR 
          UTILITIES? >> I MADE IT TWO SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS, BECAUSE I GET THAT THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM IS IMPACTED BY THE FIRST, BUT FOR CLARITY PURPOSES, I MADE IT TWO SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS. SO, THE DEFICIT IN THE DEPARTMENT AS A SEPARATE ITEM FROM THE EXTRA TRANSFER. BUT YES, IT IS RELATED TO 
          UTILITIES. >> SO, HOW MUCH IS IT UTILITIES? BECAUSE IF IT IS UTILITIES, AGAIN, WE SEE THE CHARGES AND WE PAY THEM, SOMEBODY IS PAYING THE CITY, 
          >> THAT IS ON THE SECOND ONE, SO DO WE WANT TO CLOSE OUT NUMBER 5 
          AND MOVE ON TO NUMBER 6? >> I STILL HAVE A QUESTION. MY QUESTION STILL GOES BACK TO WHERE IS THE PROPER PLACE TO 
          BUDGET THIS EXPENDITURE? >> TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT THAT WE ARE MISSING, IN MY OPINION. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT, YOU HAVE GOT CENTERS , RIGHT? YOU HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AND IT ALL GETS ALLOCATED DOWN, SO HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR FAIRGROUNDS, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PARKS. THE FAIRGROUNDS IS RUN BY A GROUP. SO, THIS LINE ITEM , IT IS AN ACCOUNTING PROCEDURE THAT HE IS SAYING, LOOK, I AM DOING STUFF THAT ANY PARK SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO, SO I NEED TO GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT , SO I AM GOING TO BE OVER BUDGET. I UNDERSTAND NOW WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THIS. BECAUSE IF WE WENT OUT AND CONTRACTED THIS OUT, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE 40 OR 50 OR $60,000 THAT WOULD BE OUT OF POCKET IF HE IS JUST CHARGING LESS COST, OKAY? WHAT WE ARE DOING WRONG IN MY OPINION IS WE SHOULD BE BUDGETING THIS ALL TO THE FAIRGROUNDS, SO WHATEVER THE FAIRGROUNDS COST, THE FAIRGROUNDS COST. SO, I GET WHAT WE ARE DOING, THIS IS JUST AN ACCOUNTING, MOVING MONEY AROUND, BUT IT IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS. IF IT IS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, OKAY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 20 YEARS. WE SHOULD HAVE LONG AGO PUT THIS BUDGETING AMOUNT INTO THE 
          FAIRGROUNDS. >> WE SHOULD DO THAT IN OUR NEXT 
          BUDGET. >> THE TRANSFER IS SHOWING THE 
          EXPENSE OF THE FAIRGROUNDS, YES. >> YEAH. WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT, COMMISSIONER, BUT THAT ALSO BRINGS TO LIGHT A NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES. I MEAN, AND YOU JUST MENTIONED ONE. IF YOU PUT THAT IN THERE, IT JUST CONTINUES TO PYLON THE FACT THAT THE FAIRGROUNDS IS MOVING -- LOSING MONEY. DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE FALSE SENSE OF, OKAY, SO IF WE CREATE A LINE ITEM UNDER THE FAIRGROUND BUDGET THAT SAYS THIS IS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE FAIRGROUNDS GROUNDS, DO WE ALSO ADD TO THAT LINE ITEM, IT SAYS THIS WILL BE DONE BY THE INLAND PARKS DEPARTMENT? YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I WANT A BETTER DEFINITION OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE THAT MONEY IN THE BUDGET, SO WE KNOW -- AND LISA, YOU NEED TO HELP US HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS NEEDS TO BE BUDGETED AND HOW IT NEEDS TO BE WORDED. DOING THIS TRANSFER, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ON THE BOOKS KIND OF MOVEMENT, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T, FOR ME, EXPLAIN -- IF I AM A PERSON OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTY AND I'M READING OUR BUDGET BOOK, I'M GOING, WHY ARE THEY SPENDING THIS MONEY AND THEN REIMBURSING INLAND PARKS FOR IT? ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. AND I WILL DO WHATEVER, 
          I AM OKAY WITH WHATEVER. >> SO, CAN WE DO IT WITH SOME DIRECTION , BECAUSE IF WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN EVERY YEAR, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE BUDGETED UNDER FAIRGROUNDS, AND NOT -- AND PAID SOMEHOW ELSE, SO IT IS NOT A TRANSFER OUT, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER PUSLEY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE PAYING EDWARDS GROUP TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE ARE JUST REIMBURSING HIS COST CENTER, FOR SOMETHING HIS COST 
          CENTER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR. >> I AM ASKING CONNIE TO PULL UP THE SCHEDULE OF THE BUDGETED TRANSFERS FOR 23-24. IT STATES THAT IN THE BUDGETED TRANSFER THAT THIS IS A REIMBURSEMENT TO INLAND PARKS FOR GROUND MAINTENANCE AT STADIUM AND FAIRGROUNDS. AND IT SAYS AMOUNTS MAY VARY BASED ON SERVICES 
          PERFORMED. >> OKAY. 
          >> THE ONLY AGENDA I HAVE IS THE ONE POSTED ON THE WEB AND THERE 
          ARE NO ATTACHMENTS. >> YEAH, THERE ARE, I AM LOOKING 
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AT IT RIGHT THERE. SCHEDULE. SCHEDULE OF BUDGETED TRANSFERS. 
          FY 23-24. 
          PULL UP THE ATTACHMENTS. >> YES, THIS IS THE PUBLIC AGENDA. IT IS THE PUBLIC AGENDA, YOU'VE GOT TO CLICK ON IT. 
          >> CAN YOU NOT CLICK ON THAT? >> THERE YOU GO. 
          >> THEN YOU HAVE IT, YES. >> OH MY GOSH. THANK YOU. 
          >> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. 
          >> YOU HAVE TO HIGHLIGHT IT IN YELLOW. 
          >> HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, TRANSFER FROM STADIUM FAIRGROUNDS TO INLAND PARKS FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. AND IT HAS BEEN BUDGETED SINCE HE HAS BEEN DOING IT, IT'S JUST THIS TIME, IT CAME IN OVER. 
          >> OKAY. >> SO, IT IS ALREADY A BUDGETED EXPENSE IN STADIUM AND FAIRGROUNDS AND A BUDGETED REVENUE TO REIMBURSE HIM FOR HIS PERSONNEL THAT ARE GOING OUT THERE AND DOING THE WORK. AND -- IT'S ONE COST CENTER TO ANOTHER, SO YOU ARE RECOGNIZING THE EXPENSE, THE ACTUAL EXPENSE, 
          WHERE IT INCURRED. >> CENTER THING, BUT WHY DID IT GO OVER BUDGET? 
          >> THERE, AND THIS CASE, DURING THE FREEZE, WE HAD UNITS -- ALL THE BACKFLOW PREVENTER IS FROZE, SO WE HAD TO GET COMPANIES TO COME IN AND DO THAT WORK. AND WE KIND OF NOT JUST MANAGED THE GROUNDS, WE WORKED WITH THE STAFF THERE TO FIX AND HELP DETERMINE WHAT 
          NEEDS TO BE FIXED. >> SO, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ'S POINT, I BELIEVE , WE CAN'T -- $10,000 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IF SOMEONE DOES IT FOR 10,000 OR 100,000 OR 5 MILLION OR WHATEVER, IT SHOULD COME TO THE COURT BEFORE IT GETS DONE IF YOU'RE GOING OVER BUDGET, ESPECIALLY A DEPARTMENT THAT WE CAN'T -- WE HAVE NOT AS MUCH CONTROL. WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE GREAT ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CONTROL OVER THAT AS WE DO OUR APPOINTED DEPARTMENT HEADS, SO ANYTHING THAT COMES OVER BUDGET SHOULD COME TO US BEFORE, NOT AFTER. SO, I WOULD JUST 
          CERTAINLY -- >> TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, THAT'S WHY AS THE JUDGE SAYS, WE WILL START CHARGING MONTHLY, ONCE WE GET CLOSE TO THAT 20 5K. IF IT IS CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR, THEN WE WILL CONTINUE ON, BUT IF IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, WE HAVE ALL THESE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE TO HELP TAKE CARE OF, AND WE WILL COME TO THE COURT AND SAY, HEY, WE ARE ABOUT TO GO OVER BUDGET, WHAT CAN WE DO? 
          >> AND I THINK THE OTHER ONE TO LOOK AT IS THE UTILITIES, BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE CITY IS CHARGING MORE , WE ARE PAYING 
          IT. >> THAT IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. 
          WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT THAT ONE UP YET. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, 
          BUT YES, THAT IS THE NEXT ITEM. >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION WE 
          APPROVE. >> SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THIS TRANSFER TO INLAND PARKS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          >> THE AMOUNT IS $10,355. >> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION 
          [6.  Discuss and approve the transfer from the General Fund to Inland Parks for shortage at fiscal year end 09/30/2024, and all related matters.]
PASSES. NOW, MOVING ON TO YOUR ITEM, THE REST OF THIS IS WHAT I STATED EARLIER, ITEM NUMBER 6, DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO INLAND PARKS THE SHORTAGE. THIS SHORTAGE, AND TERESA HAS VERIFIED, IS UTILITIES, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT EDWARD HAS ANY CONTROL OVER. 
          DIVIDE THIS UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE JUST ESTIMATED , SO I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS. YES. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. OH, I'M SORRY, WE DIDN'T GET YOUR QUESTION, YES? 
          >> HOW DO WE STOP THIS, TOO? I MEAN, THE CITY IS GOING TO KEEP ON CHARGING. ONE MONTH IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE. WHY IS IT A LOT MORE? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? 
          >> I THINK SOME OF THIS THIS YEAR, TOO, WAS THE CUTS, LIKE WE WERE ASKING EVERYBODY TO CUT PERCENTAGES ON THEIR THING, WHATEVER YOU HAD LAST YEAR. WE HAD HOPED THAT THEY COULD CUT COSTS AND TURN LIGHTS OFF. IT WAS SOME AT THE DIRECTION OF ME WITH THE AUDITOR, PLUS THE FACT THAT THE AUDITOR HAS HISTORICALLY IN THE PAST BUDGETED ON UTILITIES AND INSURANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE HAD MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS COME TO US WITH THIS COMPLAINT. EXIT BUT IF IT IS 
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$50,000 FOR THE YEAR, IS IT $50,000 PER QUARTER, WHAT IS IT? X THIS IS TO MAKE UP FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, THIS IS CLOSING OUT LAST YEAR, YES. IN TOTAL FOR THE YEAR. 
          >> SO, PART OF THAT, COMMISSIONER, IN THIS SCENARIO, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE CITY DECIDED TO CHARGE US FOR NOT GROUNDWATER, WE PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR WASTEWATER. 
          >> STORMWATER. >> SO, WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS CHARGING US $4000 A MONTH BECAUSE OF OUR IMPACT TO THE STORMWATER, WHICH WE WERE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT WAS A PORTION 
          OF THE COST. >> THE NOW BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT YOU HAVE, SO THE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE YOU HAVE, THE MORE THE CITY IS GOING TO CHARGE YOU. 
          >> SO, WE ENDED UP GETTING HIT WITH THAT. 
          >> HOW MUCH DID THAT INCREASE? >> I WAS ABOUT $4000 A MONTH. 
          THEN WE MANAGED TO GET HOLD OF THEM, WE GOT SOMEBODY OUT FROM THE CITY, WE MANAGED TO GET THAT TO $1700 A MONTH. 
          >> YEAH, AND THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, BECAUSE WHAT THE CITY DID WAS THEY ESTIMATED EVERYBODY'S. AND THE ONLY WAY YOU GET A REDUCTION IS IF YOU CALL THEM AND SAY WAIT A MINUTE, THEN THEY WILL SEND SOMEBODY OUT AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY SURVEY YOUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, SO YOU THEN GET THE RIGHT CALCULATION. 
          BUT TO START WITH, THEY JUST ESTIMATED EVERYBODY. 
          >> I URGE YOU ALL TO LOOK AT YOUR BILLS AS WELL, BECAUSE I MOVED INTO THE CITY LIMITS AND I RECEIVED IT AND I AM ON THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. THEY TOOK MINE OFF IMMEDIATELY. 
          >> YES, YOU HAVE TO COMPLAIN AND THEY WILL. 
          >> YES. UM, WE DID HAVE A MOTION. 
          >> I COULD TAKE THE REST OF THE DAY EXPLAINING WHY THEY DID THAT 
          [7.  Discuss and Approve Transfer from General Fund to Grants Fund in the amount of $116,335.00 for Jail Annex Generators Grant for the refund made to TDEM, and all related matters.]
          AND I WON'T. >> WE ARE GOOD. WE ALREADY VOTED ON THIS, COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 7, DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE GRANTS FUND AND THE AMOUNT OF 100 18,000 $335,000 FOR THE JAIL ANNEX GENERATORS GRANTS. WE DID JUST GET 
          CONFIRMATION AND RECEIVE. >> WE NO LONGER NEED THIS ITEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MISS ANNA VELASQUEZ TO SPEAK WITH SOME WONDERFUL NEWS FOR COMMISSIONERS COURT. 
          >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ANNOUNCE IT BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THINGS -- IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER, BUT WE DID RECEIVE THE 
          365,000 ON JANUARY -- >> SO WE RECEIVED NOT ONLY THE $160,000 BACK FROM FEMA, BUT WE RECEIVED MORE THAN WHAT WE PAID IN. WE RECEIVED $365,000, WHICH IS -- THE PAYMENT IS IN OUR ACCOUNT, I VERIFIED THAT IT HAS BEEN DEPOSITED. 
          >> WE VERIFIED BEFORE WE BROUGHT IT IN. 
          >> 
          >> MISS ANA FOUND IT. I HAVE TO GET THE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS 
          DUE. >> I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I BEAT ON FEMA ALL THE TIME, I AM HAPPY TO SAY THINGS THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID NOTHING GOOD FOR US. I KNOW ANA DID. 
          >> I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A PAYMENT DUE 10 WITH THIS COUNTY IN THE PORTAL, SO AFTER RESEARCH, OUR LETTER THAT REQUESTED A SCOPE AND BUDGET MODIFICATION INCLUDED A LINE , JENNY SAW THAT, WHERE IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL FUNDS LATER ON, THAT WE COULD RECOUP FROM IT. BASED ON WHAT WE SUBMITTED, ALLOWABLE EXPENSES, THEY WERE UNDER THE ORIGINAL AWARDED AMOUNT , FEMA PORTION, SO, THEY REQUESTED -- TDEM REQUESTED IT FROM FEMA THAT WE COULD GET BACK UP TO THE 75% -25% TOTAL, SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAD ALREADY PAID BACK, THE 116, SO IT WAS $232,000 MORE, SO THAT ROTTED UP TO THE $365,000. SO, THEY BROUGHT US UP TO ALL OF OUR APPROVED EXPENSES WERE TO BE 75% FEDERAL SHARE AND 25% LOCAL SHARE. 
          >> COOL. >> CONGRATULATIONS, THANK YOU 
          VERY MUCH. >> GOOD JOB. 
          >> I'M GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE. 
          >> WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT, RIGHT? X WE JUST RECEIVED IT. ASKED MOTION TO TABLE IT INDEFINITELY, JUDGMENT 
          >> YES, SECOND-PERIOD ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. UM, WE ARE 
          [4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.]
GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME INTERVIEWS SET UP. WE WILL COME BACK TO THE REST OF THE AGENDA. EXECUTIVE SESSION, DID WE BRING -- WHAT ELSE DID WE BRING IN HERE, SORRY? 3A EIGHT? YES. EXECUTIVE SESSION, PUBLIC NOTICE IS GIVEN 
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AT COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY ELECT TO GOING TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ANYTIME DURING THE MEETING TO DISCUSS MATTERS LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 551 OF THE TEXT IS GOVERNMENT CODE. TO THE EXTENT THERE HAS BEEN A PAST PRACTICE OF DISTINGUISHING ITEMS FOR PUBLIC DELIBERATION AND THOSE FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE PUBLIC IS ADVISED THAT THE COURT IS DEPARTING FROM THE PRACTICE AND RESERVES THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS ANY LISTED AGENDA ITEMS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO DO SO. IN THE EVENT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ELECTS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING AN AGENDA ITEM, THE SECTION OR SECTIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE, BRENNAN'S TEXAS CODES, SECTIONS 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS INCLUDING MATTERS RELATED TO LITIGATION, DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, PROSPECTIVE GIFTS, PERSONAL MATTERS, INCLUDING TERMINATION, COUNTY ADVISORY BODIES, SECURITY DEVICES, AND/OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, AND OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. UPON COMPLETION OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, A COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY IN AN OPEN SESSION TAKE ACTION AS APPROPRIATE ON ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          TODAY, ITEM 3A, WE ARE GOING TO BE CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS OF APPLICANTS FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS COURT BUDGET OFFICER LIAISON POSITION ITEM B, WE ARE GOING TO CONSULT -- I GUESS THAT WOULD BE 551.071, IN CASE WE COME BACK AND MAKE AN OFFER TO SOMEBODY, 
          SORRY. ITEM B? >> IMPLEMENT THING? 074. 
          >> 551.074. ITEM B, CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO FEMA CLAIMS IN THE 01040 DISASTER RECOVERY AND RELATED ISSUES, THAT WOULD BE GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071. AND THEN ITEM THREE -EIGHT, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS OR SOME STUFF THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING THE COMMISSIONERS COURT POLICY AS PROPOSED AND ALL RELATED MATTERS, AND THAT WOULD BE 551.071? YES. SO, IT IS 12:25, AND 
          >> IT IS 3:15. WE ARE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. I GUESS WE WILL ADDRESS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM FIRST. 3A ON THE 
          COMMISSIONER. CHESNEY? >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THE 
          LIAISON CONSTANT SANCHEZ. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AY. 
          >> I WILL ABSTAIN. >> FOUR AY IS, ONE ABSTAIN. 
          >> WELCOME ABOARD. >> YES, THANK YOU CONSTANCE FOR 
          BEING HERE, TOO. >> ITEM 3A 8. GOING BACK IN OUR REGULAR AGENDA, 3A 8. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING THE COMMISSIONER CORE POLICY. I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT, 
          MAYBE? COMMISSIONER PUSLEY. >> YES, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A SUBSTITUTE ON WORDINGS. HOLD ON. LET ME GET IT ON HERE. SO UNDER PART FOUR, I AS IN INDIGO, THIS WILL BE A REPLACEMENT FOR ITEM B. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> YES, IT IS ITEM D. >> ITEM D, THIS WILL BE THE REPLACEMENT LANGUAGE FOR ITEM D. LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 130.908 
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STATES THAT EXPENDITURES ABOVE AN AMOUNT SET BY THE COURT BY AN INCUMBENT COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHO IS NOT RE-ELECTED OR RENOMINATED AFTER THE OFFICIAL CANVAS OF THE PRIMARY OR GENERAL ELECTION RETURNS ARE ANNOUNCED MUST BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. THE COURT HEREBY SETS THAT AMOUNT AT $1000, AND ELECTS THE APPROVAL OF EXPENDITURES OVER THAT AMOUNT MUST BE APPROVED BY SUPER MAJORITY OF THE COURT. AND 
          LET'S SEE. THAT'S IT. >> I SECOND THE AMENDMENT. 
          >>, UP IN THE AIR ON THE SUPER MAJORITY. 
          >> WE CAN CHANGE IT TO REGULAR MAJORITY. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SUGGEST -- WE CAN ALWAYS TWEAK IT LATER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN ENFORCEABLE. I DON'T KNOW THAT 
          WE ARE PASSING SOMETHING -- >> WE PASS POLICIES ALL THE 
          TIME. >> SUPER MAJORITY WOULD BE 4-1 . 
          THAT IS WHAT SUPER MAJORITY NEEDS. 
          >> INSTEAD OF 3-2, IT WOULD BE 4-1. 
          >> FOUR PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BUILT SOMETHING OTHER THAN THREE. YOU 
          WANT IT TO BE FOUR? >> WOULD YOU PREFER IT TO BE 
          4-1? >> SUPER MAJORITY RATHER THAN 
          JUST SIMPLE MAJORITY? >> Y'ALL CAN DO WHATEVER YOU 
          WANT. >> I AM OKAY WITH CHANGING IT TO A SIMPLE MAJORITY IF THAT IS WHAT THE WILL OF THE COURT IS. 
          >> OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY ADVISES THAT THE STATUTE ONLY PERTAINS TO A VOTE, NOT A SUPER MAJORITY. AND THAT PART MAY NOT BE 
          ENFORCEABLE. >> SO LET'S DO JUST ABOUT. 
          >> OKAY. SO THAT WORDING WILL CHANGE TO THAT AMOUNT MUST BE APPROVED BY MAJORITY OF THE COURT. 
          >> AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR. I DO. THE FACT THAT WE ARE LOWERING THE THRESHOLD, IT'S A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER. WE ARE LOWERING THIS NUMBER DOWN PRETTY LOW. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION. AND I BELIEVE I SECOND THAT. ANY OTHER 
          DISCUSSION >> I AM OFFERING THIS IS AN 
          AMENDMENT. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS 
          AMENDMENT SAY 26. >> OF HOW HE READ IT WITH THE SUPER MAJORITY? OH NO, I CHANGED IT. 
          >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT AS WORDED WITH JUST A 
          MAJORITY? >> AY 
          >> NAY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POLICY 
          -- A MOTION TO ACCEPT IT. >> I SECOND THAT, AS WELL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AY. 
          >> NAY. >> 4-1 AGAIN. MOVING ON BACK TO ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM GENERAL FUND THAT IS DUE FROM THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND. AND I BELIEVE THAT TERESA PLACED SOME INFORMATION FOR COMMISSIONER CHESNEY . YES, THE 
          MONEY WE RECEIVED. >> RIGHT. THE MONEY WE RECEIVED THIS FAR, HAVE THESE CHECKS BEEN CASHED? 
          >> NO, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DELIVERED TO MY OFFICE. 
          >> YOU DON'T TAKE THEM TO THEM? -- 
          >> WE DO NOT HAVE TWO OF THE CHECKS. 
          >> WE TOOK THEM OVER TO THE TAX OFFICE BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO CONFIRM WHAT WAS IN THE ASSESSED AMOUNT. WE REACHED OUT TO MISS DORSEY TO CONFIRM THAT IT WAS IN FACT A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES, AS OPPOSED TO -- AND WE ALSO SPOKE WITH PEYTON, TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT IT WASN'T A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES, AND NOT A PAYMENT ON PROPERTY TAXES. SO WE HAVE THAT CONFIRMATION. 
          AND I BELIEVE KRISTA IS BRINGING THE BACK TO OUR OFFICE TO GO 
          DOWN TO GARRETT TODAY. >> WHO IS KRISTA? 
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          >> KRISTA AT TAX OFFICE. >> 
          SPEAKERS ] >> OKAY, WHO HAS THEM? 
          >> KRISTA CHAMPAGNE FROM PROPERTY TAX. 
          >> WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THEM UNTIL Y'ALL GOT THEM UP. 
          >> THEY TYPICALLY COME TO US FOR CODING. 
          >> SO CAN WE GET THEM CHECKED? CAN WE GET THEM CASH? IN MY MOTION ON THEM WAS GOING TO BE FOR DISCUSSION SAKE. WE CAN TAKE THESE FUNDS AND ALLOCATE THEM. I'M SORRY? 
          >> 
          >> THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN COME UP WITH A HYBRID FOR THE REST OF THE MONEY TO BE PAID OUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. AND WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE ARTICULATED. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO SAY IF THERE IS WORDING ON THAT. 
          >> TO INCREASE PREMIUMS. >> YOU SAID THERE HAD TO BE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT AGREEING TO PAY IT. A GREEN PAYMENTS, OR 
          SOMETHING. >> IT'S THE WILL OF THE COURT TO INCREASE HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS -- 
          >> TO MAKE UP FOR THE DEBT OWED TO THE GENERAL FUND? 
          >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC IF WE COME UP WITH MORE MONEY LATER. WE KNOW THERE ARE MORE FUNDS COMING FROM OTHER PLACES. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, TO ALLOCATE THIS MONEY TOWARD THE MONEY OWED TO THE GENERAL FUND, TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, AND TO ARTICULATE THE INTENT TO CONTINUE TO RAISE PREMIUMS FOR THIS, AND TO ALSO LOOK BEFORE WE DO THAT TO FIND OTHER FUNDS TO PAY THIS OFF. 
          >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> ARE YOU INCLUDING ALL THREE 
          PAYMENTS? >> DASHES WHAT YOU GAVE ME IS 
          THE TOTAL. >> I'M SORRY? 
          >> 1 MILLION -- AND THAT'S THREE PAYMENTS OF 645 NINE 3689, 
          947 ONE 2146, AND -- >> OKAY. THEY HAVE NOT PAID THE 
          47. >> 
          ] >> OKAY. 
          >> PLEASE GET THAT MONEY IN THE BANK ASAP. THAT'S GOOD. 
          >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AY. ANY OPPOSED? COMMISSIONER PUSLEY, YOU WILL BE VOTING AY, 
          [8.  Discuss and approve Transfer from the General Fund to the Grants Fund in the amount of $97,000.00 for refund for ERAP Grant related to payments to Hagerty, and all related matters.]
TOO. WE STILL HAVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT , DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE TRANSFER IN THE AMOUNT OF $97,000 FOR A REFUND FOR THE GRANT RELATED TO PAYMENTS AND ALL RELATED MATTERS. AND THE GENERAL FUND. WHEN WE DID A SETTLEMENT FOR ALL THOSE PAYMENTS, WE CANNOT PAY A SETTLEMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE 
          HAVING TO DO FOR THIS. >> WAIT, WAIT. NO, NO. 
          >> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS THE E RAP FUNDS. IT'S DISCUSSED IN THE BACKGROUND. THIS ITEM IS A FOLLOW-UP TO THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. 
          IT PERMITS GRANTEES TO USE UP TO 15% OF THE TOTAL FUNDS PAID TO THE GRANTEE FOR CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS STATUTE REQUIREMENTS, THE 15% LIMIT IS BASED ON THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE FUNDS PAID TO EACH GRANTEE AS OF THE RELEVANT DATE, AND NOT THE TOTAL AMOUNT ALLOCATED TO THE GRANTEE. BECAUSE THE OTHER LOCATION GUIDELINES SECTION 5 DO TO VOLUNTARY REALLOCATION, THE TOTAL PAYMENT RECEIVED AS OF TODAY FOR NUECES COUNTY WAS $547,072. IF YOU APPLY THE 15% THRESHOLD, THIS AMOUNT IS A TOTAL OF $81,115.80 THAT CAN BE SPENT ON ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES. NUECES COUNTY SPENT A TOTAL OF $150,017.42 PAID TO HAGGERTY FOR E RAP MANAGEMENT. 
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AND THE VARIANCE OF 97,000 WILL NEED TO BE REFUNDED TO THE 
          GRANT. >> I THOUGHT WE HAVE MORE THAN $540,000 AND 72 -- I THOUGHT WE SPENT MORE THAN 540? I THOUGHT 
          THE E WRAP WAS MORE THAN THAT. >> SO THEY RECEIVED 341,000, AND 
          THEN AN ADDITIONAL -- >> I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. 
          >> SO WE RECEIVED 540,000, BUT WE DIDN'T SPEND IT ALL. 
          >> OKAY. >> DID WE SEND IT BACK? 
          >> OKAY. >> HERE'S THE THING, I KNOW WE JUST DIDN'T GET 540,000. THE ALLOCATION WITH 853,000. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. OKAY? SO IF WE SPENT THE 853,000, I'M NOT DOING MY MATH REAL FAST HERE. IS THAT WHY WE SPENT 150, BECAUSE 
          WE THOUGHT WE COULD? >> YES, I THOUGHT THE CONTRACT MADE WITH HAGGERTY WAS BASED ON THE ERAP 1 AND ERAP 2 
          ALLOCATIONS. >> WHERE DID THE REST OF THE A 
          53 GO? >> IT WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED TO NUECES COUNTY. WE ONLY RECEIVED 341 INITIAL DEPOSIT UP FRONT. AND THEN AT A CERTAIN QUARTER, YOU HAD HAVE EXPENDED SO MUCH, REPORTED SO MUCH, WE DID NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD. TREASURY REDUCED IT BY 113,000, SO THAT LEFT THE REMAINING OF 398 AVAILABLE IN TREASURY. WE WERE ABLE TO -- WHICH MEANT YOU CAN GET HALF OF THAT REMAINING BALANCE. SO WE RECEIVED ANOTHER IN NOVEMBER. AND THEN IT WAS REDUCED AGAIN BY TREASURY BY 39,006 4480 OR, WHICH MEANT IT REMAINED 159 635 FOR THE COUNTY. SO WE RECEIVED THE 540. IF WE ORIGINALLY HAD 853, THE 15% WOULD HAVE BEEN 81,000. WE ONLY HAD EXPENDED TO THE RENTAL AND UTILITIES, IT WAS $353,059.13. SO 15% OF THAT IS 
          52,000 ONLY. >> I UNDERSTAND YOUR MATH. I'M SAYING, WHY DID WE SCREW THIS UP? 
          >> THE CONTRACT. >> WHEN IT WAS MADE INITIALLY. 
          THE CONTRACT THAT WAS MADE, REMEMBER WE HAD ALL OF THESE FOR HAGGERTY, FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. AND THE INVOICES KEEP COMING IN. IT WASN'T REALIZED WHEN THE AMOUNTS WERE REDUCED TO 
          TREASURY. >> LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING HERE, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS OF THIS WITH HAGGERTY, ERAP. EVERYTHING GOING THROUGH HAGGERTY . WE WENT BACK AND FORTH. THE DEAL WAS NOT TO PAY HAGGERTY. THEY WERE DOING THINGS THEY WERE EXPOSED TO BE DOING. THEY WERE AUTHORIZED BY SOMEBODY ELSE. YOU KNOW, NOT THIS JUDGE, BUT THE OTHER JUDGE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THE REASON WHY WE WERE IN A HOLE, WE KEPT PAYING THEM, AND PAYING THEM. THEY DID SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT, AND THEY STILL DID IT. BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD WE HAD 
          TO PAY THEM. >> THEY WEREN'T MANAGING THE 
          ERAP. >> SO IN OUR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH HAGGERTY, AS THEY ARE NOT LANGUAGE THAT IF SOMEONE DEFRAUDED YOU AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, YOU COULD GO BACK ON A SETTLEMENT? BECAUSE USUALLY, I GET IT. IT SETTLES CLAIMS AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS KNOWN. USUALLY IF THERE IS SOME FRAUDULENT BILLING, WHICH IS WHAT THIS WAS, PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EXPERTS. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. SO I GUESS I SHOULD BE LOOKING AT JENNY AND SAYING, BEFORE I'M WILLING TO DO THIS, I WANT A LEGAL OPINION ON THIS, TOO. YOU KNOW, THIS IS RIDICULOUS. IT JUST GOT PAID. 
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NOW THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS, HOW DID IT JUST GET PAID? OKAY? I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK THERE. WHETHER THAT IS GRANTS, THE AUDITOR, I DON'T KNOW. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO EXPLAIN THAT. HOW DID WE JUST OVERPAY? BECAUSE THE BILLS JUST CAME IN. OKAY? THAT'S ON US, TOO. BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO ARE CHECKING OFF AND SAYING THAT. I'LL TAKE MY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT IF I VOTED FOR IT. BUT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. I NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THESE JUST CAME IN, AND WE JUST PAY THEM. AND I NEED TO FIND OUT IF THEY WERE FRAUDULENTLY BILLING US. WE NEGOTIATED OUR WAY AWAY FROM THAT CLAIM. 
          >> THE THING MS. DORSEY SAID, WE HAD TO PAY THEM BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED SERVICES? SO WE NEED TO PAY THEM. I KEPT ASKING FOR INVOICES. NOBODY WAS PROVIDING INVOICES. 
          >> THIS WAS A BIG CONTENTIOUS ITEM AT THE TIME, YES SIR. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT. WE PAID THEM, I 
          GUESS. >> LIKE I SAID, MAYBE EVERYBODY IS AT FAULT. THIS IS TAXPAYER MONEY WE ARE HAVING TO COME UP WITH. I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT UNTIL SOMEONE COMES BACK WITH A LEGAL ANALYSIS AS TO WHAT OUR REMEDIES ARE IN REGARDS TO THE SETTLEMENT WE PAID. IF THERE IS FRAUDULENT BILLING, I CAN 
          BELIEVE IT. >> TO CLEAR THE AIR, I WOULDN'T KNOW. I WAS KEEPING THE TRACK WITH IT. I DIDN'T LIKE THE 
          IDEA, I NEVER HAVE. >> YOU ARE VERY VOCAL. 
          >> BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW. >> 
          SPEAKERS ] >> SO IS THIS SOMETHING GRANT IS 
          SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING? >> THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAGGERTY, THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE GRANTOR. 
          >> WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION THIS IS THE ACTION WE NEEDED TO TAKE. 
          SO WHOEVER IS THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS. WE HELD OUR 
          NOSE AND VOTED FOR IT. >> NOBODY WAS HAPPY ABOUT IT AT 
          ALL. >> THE REALITY IS, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TOLD, AS BAD AS IT STINKS, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. 
          WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. THIS IS WHAT WE WERE DIRECTED TO DO. BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, NONE OF US WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR IT. NONE OF US WOULD VOTE FOR TAX RATE INCREASES. WE ARE NOT GIVING BACK THAT INFORMATION. IN HINDSIGHT, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE. THAT'S WHY I VOTED FOR IT. NOT BECAUSE I LIKE IT. THE TOUGH THINGS THAT COME ACROSS, I GET THE POINT. BUT THAT IS WHAT 
          WE WERE TOLD. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          >> OKAY. >> PLEASE. 
          >> TERESA, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THE 97,000, HAVEN'T WE 
          ALREADY PAID IT OUT? >> YES. 
          >> AND NOW WE ARE JUST COVERING THE FUND? BECAUSE IT'S BEEN 
          PAID, RIGHT? >> WE PAID IT, RIGHT? 
          >> WE PAID IT THROUGH ERAP DEPARTMENT . 
          >> WE CANNOT CLAIM IT THROUGH TREASURY. IT HAS TO BE REQUEST 
          TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> WE ARE PAYING IT TWICE. 
          >> THE GRANTOR HAS BEEN PAID. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN FUNDED THE AMOUNT. WE ARE FIXING OUR BOOKS. 
          >> 
          >> IT'S NOT A BUDGET TRANSFER. IT'S AN ACTUAL TRANSFER. 
          >> WE HAD TO PAY BACK THE GRANTOR. 
          >> WILL PAY THAT? >> NUECES COUNTY. 
          >> CAN WE APPROVE IT? >> YES SIR. WE STOPPED THE ERAP PROCESSING. SO THAT WE CAN SET BACK ANY UNUSED FUNDS. AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE REQUEST. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE. 
          >> I WANTED COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVAL BEFORE WE SENT IT BACK. 
          THE BODY THAT IS GOVERNING. >> I DON'T REMEMBER ONE OF THEM 
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WITHOUT LOOKING BACK. WAS IT ON THE GENERAL AGENDA? I WAS AT A 
          SPECIAL MOTION? >> IT HASN'T COME BEFORE 
          COMMISSIONERS COURT YET. >> WHICH ONE? 
          >> BUT YOU JUST SAID WE PAID IT. 
          >> IT HASN'T BEEN PAID YET. >> THE FUNDS HAVE NOT BEEN RETURNED. THEY PAID US THIS MONEY. THEY GAVE US UP FRONT 
          MONEY. >> A MINUTE AGO, YOU SAID IT HAD 
          BEEN PAID. >> THE INVOICES WERE PAID. 
          >> WHAT HAS IT BEEN SENT BACK TO THE GRANT TOUR? 
          >> THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ALL THESE FUNDS, NO. 
          >> WHO'S ON FIRST? >> IT'S NOT COUNTY. 
          >> WHEN Y'ALL WERE GOING TO PAY IT BACK, THE MONEY THEY GAVE US UP FRONT, WE DIDN'T SPEND IT ALL. SO HE SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SPEND IT, SO HERE YOU GO. TREASURY CAME BACK AND SAID, OH NO. IT'S ACTUALLY MORE. 
          THAT'S WHEN IT DAWNED, OH, WE OVERPAID. NOT WE, THEY OVERPAID HAGGERTY. THEY UP FRONT PAID THEM THINKING THEY WERE GOING TO 
          SPEND IT ALL. >> WE DID ALL THAT. I WAS JUST ASKING HAS IT BEEN PAID? THIS IS JUST TRANSFERRING FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE GRANT FUND. 
          >> BECAUSE ALL THE MONEY THEY WON BACK, IT'S NOT THERE. THAT 
          MONEY WENT TO HAGGERTY. >> IT'S A DOUBLE PAYMENT. 
          >> YOU ARE RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN THE MONEY TO HAGGERTY. BUT NOW YOU NEED TO COVER WHAT YOU GIVE TO HAGGERTY. 
          >> THAT'S IT, THANK YOU. >> AND YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU SHOULD 
          CALL IT BACK FROM HAGGERTY. >> THAT'S WHAT I SAID. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL REMEDIES ARE. IF WE ARE HAVING TO PAY SOMETHING THAT WE PAID HAGGERTY, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO FIND OUT, 
          DO WE HAVE LEGAL REMEDIES? >> THEY MANAGE THE PROGRAM. 
          >> IF THEY FRAUDULENTLY BILL US, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THEY DO. I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE SETTLEMENT, OR WHATEVER WE 
          SIGNED OFF ON. >> SO, DOES THIS -- ARE THEY REQUESTING THIS RIGHT AWAY? IS THIS JUST CLEANING UP YOUR BOOKS, LISA? OR CAN WE BRING THIS BACK AND GET MORE CLARIFICATIONS? IF WE CAN CHARGE HAGGERTY, OR WHAT WE CAN DO? 
          >> THEY HAVE NOT. I'M SCHEDULED FOR ANOTHER MEETING NEXT FRIDAY. 
          THAT'S ALSO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, HOW CAN I RETURN 
          THESE FUNDS. >> IT WAS POST TO BE THE CITY, WE TOOK IT. SO I WOULD ONLY GO BACK AND SAY WE WANT ALL OF THAT 853,000? OKAY, I GET IT. BUT WHY WOULD WE GO BACK? GIVE US SOME OF THAT MONEY. THEY TOOK AWAY SOME OF THAT MONEY WE ALLOCATED. 
          RIGHT? >> BECAUSE NOBODY WAS RUNNING 
          IT. >> THE FRAUDULENT PEOPLE WERE 
          DOING IT. >> THE PEOPLE THAT NEED THIS MONEY, THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE ALLOCATED THIS MONEY. OR THEY STOP ALLOCATING IT. WHY WOULDN'T WE GO BACK AND WANT 
          THAT MONEY? >> WE COULDN'T GET ANYBODY -- 
          >> WE NEVER SPEND THE WHOLE AMOUNT. 
          >> SHOULD WE TABLE THIS AND BRING IT BACK WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT WE NEED TO DO EXACTLY? WE CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE SON COMES UP TOMORROW. 
          AND I DON'T SEE A RESOLUTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT 
          WE TABLE THIS. >> I WILL ACCEPT YOUR MOTION. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO BRING THIS BACK WITH MORE CLARIFICATION AND INFORMATION. POSSIBLY ALSO FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY ON RAMIFICATIONS THAT WE CAN TO ADDRESS THE OVERPAYMENT, AND ALSO FROM LETTING US KNOW THE DEADLINE ON WHERE THIS HAS TO BE PAID, UNDERSTANDING FOR CLARIFICATION OR ANYONE WATCHING, OUR GRANT DEPARTMENT DID NOT MANAGE US IN THE BEGINNING. NO OFFENSE TO HER AND HER TEAM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOVING ON, WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT COURT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE NEXT 
          [9.  Discuss and approve funding source for unreimbursed FEMA claim expenses, and all related matters.]
COURT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AY. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 9, AND I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE IT FOR US. DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR UNREIMBURSED FEMA CLAIM EXPENSES, AND ALL RELATED 
          [03:50:03]
MATTERS. THE OTHER COST YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO CLEAR UP. 
          >> SO WE HAD HURRICANE HANNAH THAT EVEN AS WE ALL KNOW, IT MADE LANDFALL 30 MILES SOUTH OF CORPUS CHRISTI AS A CATEGORY ONE. IT WAS NOT APPROVED BY FEMA FOR REIMBURSEMENT. THEREFORE, ALL OF THE EXPENSES, THE $749,555 THAT WERE CODED -- 
          >> 
          >> BECAUSE THE STATE DIDN'T MEET THE THRESHOLD. THAT'S 
          CORRECT. >> WAIT, WHERE ARE WE? 
          >> ITEM NUMBER 9. >> 
          >> YOU WILL HAVE TO SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          >> I'M JUST CATCHING UP. >> SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DIDN'T APPROVE HURRICANE HANNAH AS MEETING THE THRESHOLD. AS IT WASN'T ALLOWED, THERE WAS AN APPEAL MADE ON THAT CLAIM. I WAS ADVISED EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT THAT APPEAL WAS DENIED. 
          >> WHO WOULD I DIE -- WHO WOULD DENY THE APPEAL? 
          >> I JUST SPOKE WITH KATHY IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND ASKED 
          THE STATUS OF THE CLAIM. >> AND HOW MUCH IS THIS FOR? 
          >> $749,555. >> SO WE WENT TO FEMA TO ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENT AND THEY DENIED US? 
          >> THEY DENIED US, AND THEN THEY FILED AN APPEAL. I DON'T KNOW WHO THE APPEAL WAS FILED TWO. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS. 
          >> WHO FILED THE APPEAL? >> NUECES COUNTY FILED THE APPEAL. I REMEMBER IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT HE DID 
          BEFORE LEAVING OFFICE. >> OKAY. SO THEY FILED THE APPEAL. OKAY. OKAY. THEY SUBMITTED THE ITEM. YOU HAVE TO ASK WHO THE APPEALS ARE. EVERY SINGLE THING THAT COMES UP. I WANT TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE FUNDING SOURCE. I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO YOU, LISA. THIS IS NO SURPRISE. IF YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO WE APPEAL TO, HOW DO YOU THINK ANYBODY WILL MAKE A $750,000 DECISION? IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT, THEN SOMEONE HAS GOT TO GET IN HERE. THEN IT GOES BACK TO JENNY, WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE. I MEAN, I ASKED FOR THIS REPEATEDLY. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO WHERE HE GOES TO JENNY AND THEN IT SAYS, OKAY. I'M SURE JENNY DIDN'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS. BUT, WHAT IS THE NEXT COURSE OF ACTION? IF FEMA APPEALS TO FEMA, THAT IS CRAP. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE YOU CAN APPEAL TO ABOVE FEMA, AROUND FEMA, OR SOMETHING. 
          OTHERWISE, WHY APPEAL OF ALL YOU ARE GOING TO DO IS APPEAL TO FEMA? THEY SUCCESSFULLY APPEALED TO FEMA ON SOME THINGS. IN COMES THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT ON THAT ONE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE PRIOR JUDGE WANTED TO PAY THAT BECAUSE SHE AS FOR THE STUDY. WE ARE PUSHED BACK AND SAID, NOPE. HOSPITAL DISTRICT, GO BACK AND FIND SOMEBODY. THEY APPEALED IT ONCE, DIDN'T GET IT, APPEALED IT TWICE, GOT THEM A LAWYER. SO UNLESS WE DONE ALL THAT, I MOTION TO TABLE THIS TOO AND BRING BACK AN INFLAMMATION TO WHERE WE STAND ON THIS LEGALLY. SO I DON'T HAVE TO KEEP ASKING THIS WHEN WE ARE HERE ON AN AGENDA ITEM. PLEASE. 
          >> SECOND! >> I BELIEVE THIS IS THE UNREIMBURSED -- BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY LIKE THAT, THE PLAYERS AN EMERGENCY, ALL THESE NUMBERS HAVE TO COME IN. IF THE STATE DOES NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD, THE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAMAGES 60 MILLION. I JUST PULL THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I TESTED HER AND ASKED TO COME IN. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT 
          [03:55:03]
MUCH DAMAGE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THEN WE DON'T GET ANY OF IT. AND WE DO HAVE TO SPEND FUNDS WHEN YOU GET A STORM, OR STORM SURGE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GOT 749,000. THIS IS WAY BEFORE ME. I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN IDEA. IF WE ARE SAYING THE STATE DIDN'T MAKE THE THRESHOLD, THERE ARE NO -- IS NO PRESSURE TO TURN IT IN. IF THE STATE DOESN'T -- 
          >> THERE WAS ARGUMENT ON THAT, TOO. WHETHER OR NOT WE DID MEET THE THRESHOLD. WE DISAGREED WITH THE ASSESSMENT ON THAT, TOO. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHERE ARE WE IN THAT PROCESS. THERE WAS GOING TO BE OTHER APPEALS. HERE WE ARE. 
          >> BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER HERE. 
          >> BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. IT HAS TO BE THE THRESHOLD, BUT THERE WAS ARGUMENT ON THE THRESHOLD. WHETHER THE REST OF THE WORLD BESIDES FEMA THOUGHT WE MET THE THRESHOLD. THERE WAS AN ARGUMENT 
          THERE, TOO. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE STATE MAKING THAT ARGUMENT ON BEHALF OF TEXAS. 
          >> THEY DON'T CARE. >> YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, WHEN WE GET THIS GRANT, ALWAYS WANTED TO AND YOUR MONEY. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. ARE YOU GOING TO SPEND IT? ARE NOT? HOPEFULLY THEY PAY YOU BACK. THAT'S THE PROBLEM IN THOSE THINGS. 
          >> THIS -- EVEN ON THAT, THIS IS ON EMERGENCY ITEMS. WHEN YOU HAVE EMERGENCIES, WE HAD TO SPEND SOME. THAT'S ALSO WHY WHEN OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS COME TO US AND SAY WE NEED THIS, WE GOT TO GET THIS OUT THERE, WE'VE GOT TO BE UNDERSTANDING THAT EXPENSES WE SPEND BEFORE THIS DECLARATION HAS BEEN MET, AS WELL, IT DID POTENTIALLY JUST COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME COST YOU HAVE TO PREPARE, YOU HAVE TO CLEAN UP. YES, ABSOLUTELY. BUT THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO BRING THIS BACK WITH CLARIFICATION AND INFORMATION REQUESTED. I DO AGREE WITH THAT. ARE WE GOING TO TABLE THIS? COMMISSIONERS, WAS THAT THE MOTION? 
          >> HE MAY THE MOTION AND I SECONDED IT. 
          >> AS LONG AS THAT GIVES JENNY TIME ENOUGH. 
          >> WE COULD BRING THE STATUS. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH BY THAT TIME. SO WHAT I AM HEARING, TO ROLL ALL OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE ARE HEARING TODAY -- 
          >> AND ANY OTHERS. ANY OTHER THAT YOU ARE GOING TO COME ASK US FOR FOR REIMBURSEMENT, I WILL WANT TO KNOW, PLEASE. HAVE WE EXHAUSTED ALL APPEALS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS OMA WHAT ARE LEGAL REMEDIES, WHAT CAN WE DO ON ALL OF THIS. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 
          AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO JUST ROLL OVER AND PAY IT WITHOUT 
          KNOWING THOSE THINGS. >> WE HAVE PAID THESE FUNDS. 
          JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES. WHENEVER THE EVENT HAPPENS, WE 
          PAID THE MONEY. >> BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE 
          UP ON TRYING TO GET IT BACK. >> I DIDN'T SAY THAT WE SHOULD GIVE UP ON TRYING TO GET IT BACK. THERE IS THIS LARGE NUMBER THAT IS SITTING THERE AS AN EXPENSE. 
          >> I GET IT. BUT WE HAVE NOT EXHAUSTED ALL APPEALS. YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING BUDGET. YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS OUTSIDE OF COURT, AND SEIDEL COURT, ON EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS. WE HAVE TO EXHAUST ALL APPEALS BEFORE WE JUST WRITE IT OFF AND CHARGE IT UP AGAINST THE RESERVES. I'M NOT EVEN MAKING A DECISION ON IT. I WILL NOT VOTE JUST TO SAY I'M DONE WITH THIS AND KISS OFF $750,000. I GET THAT WE SPEND IT, BUT I'M NOT DONE APPEALING IT IF WE CAN KEEP APPEALING IT. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RING THIS BACK WITH EITHER AN UPDATE, ACTION, OR THE ITEM, WHATEVER. AS SOON AS YOU GET IT, I WILL ASSUME YOU WILL BE GETTING MESSAGES TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AY. ANY 
          OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. >> CANNOT MAKE A GENERAL REQUEST THAT WE ALSO BRING BACK ITEMIZED LISTS OF WHAT ALL OF THESE EXPENDITURES FOR WITH THE ANALYSIS. 
          [ Adjournment in Memory (upon request)]
          >> WE WILL WORK ON THAT. I THINK THAT IS EVERYTHING ON THE AGENDA. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING I MISSED ON THERE? I KNOW WE JUMPED AROUND A FEW TIMES. I HAVE EVERYTHING MARKED 
          [04:00:02]
OFF MINE. ON THE NEW POLICY WE JUST PASSED, WE NEED TO GET THAT POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE PLANNING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, HAVING THE INFORMATION THEY NEED. IT MAY ALSO BE A GOOD IDEA TO PRINT A COPY OF IT WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE. 
          >> IS NOT A BAD IDEA AT ALL. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY 
          ADJOURNMENTS? >> I HAVE ONE STATEMENT. -- PASSED AWAY ON SUNDAY. SHE WAS IN NEW YORK CITY WITH A GROUP OF FRIENDS WHEN SHE EXPERIENCED CARDIAC ARREST. SHE WAS 84 YEARS OLD. HER LIFE AND VALUES WERE SHAPED BY GROWING UP IN A SMALL TOWN. SHE WAS BORN APRIL 4TH, 1940 IN OKLAHOMA. -- WERE CLASSMATES AT THE CITY -- ALONG WITH LUCY'S GRANDFATHER. LUCY WAS RAISED BY A GROUP OF STRONG EDUCATED WOMEN. HER MOTHER, FRANCIS, WHO PRACTICES LAW. HER BELOVED AUNT MAY. THESE WOMEN HELP MOLD LUCY'S INDEPENDENCE, AND SOCIAL CURIOSITY AND SPIRIT OF ADVENTURE. IN THE SPRING OF 1962, SHE ATTENDED A CONFERENCE IN OKLAHOMA CITY. A STUDENT FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS TOLD HIM, AND WAS ASKED IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE HIS PLACE. SHE SAT NEXT TO AN AT&T RECRUITER. SHORTLY AFTER, ASKED IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO COME WORK FOR AT&T IN NEW YORK AND THAT IS WHERE LIFE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. THAT SUMMER WHEN SHE MOVED, SHE MET MCCRACKEN. -- IS ALSO A BIG APPLE RESIDENT. THEY FELL IN LOVE AND GOT MARRIED TO A HALF YEARS LATER, THEY WELCOMED THEIR FIRST SON. CORPUS CHRISTI, SHE RAISED HER TWO SONS, WAS ACTIVE VOLUNTEERING, PARTICULARLY DEVOTED TO THE JUNIOR LEAGUE WHERE SHE SERVED AS PRESIDENT IN '81. DURING THIS PERIOD, SHE CO-AUTHORED THREE NOVELS AND WAS REPRESENTED BY -- FAITH WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT IN HER LIFE. SHE WAS A LIFELONG CHRISTIAN. THEY ALSO SUPPORTED NUMEROUS INSTITUTIONS AND CAUSES, INCLUDING THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM, THE COLLECTORS CLUB OF THE ART MUSEUM, TEXAS A&M CORPUS CHRISTI. SHE IS SURVIVED BY HER SISTER, FRANCINE TUCKER, HER HUSBAND, JOHN, HER SON, SARAH, -- AND HER GRANDCHILDREN. SHE WAS A LOVELY WOMAN. SHE WILL BE MISSED BY MANY. OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE MCCRACKEN FAMILY FOR THE LOSS OF LUCY. 
          >> YES, OUR CONDOLENCES, FOR SURE. ANY OTHERS? 
          >> 
          >> WE SHOULD, YES. >> WE ARE ALL TOO OLD. 
          >> OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE FAMILY FOR SHORT. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING FOR TODAY. IT IS 3:56. WE ARE FINISHED, TH
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