FAVOR, TO OPPOSE, SO DIANE GONZALES YOU ARE NOMINATED FOR [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:06] THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR SIGNING UP. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE, -- WHILE RECONNECTING ] >> >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> OF THE TEXAS FLAG, DIVISIONS TO THE TEXAS STATE, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. >> WE HAVE ALL FIVE IMAGES HERE, IT IS JANUARY THE 18TH, IT IS NINE : 04, AND WE ARE MEETING IN THE NUECES COUNTY COURTHOUSE. DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? >> DO WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENT, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, FOR ANY MEMBERS? BEING NONE, MOVE ON TO D, THE INTRODUCTION OF OUR [E. Introduction of Public Health District Director, Dr. Fauzia Khan.] NEW DIRECTOR , DR. FAUZIA KHAN. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK YOU TODAY. MY FOCUS IS ON THREE BREAST PRACTICE. BETTER HEALTH OUTCOMES, EFFICIENT USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, AND BUILDING A STRONG WORKFORCE. >> IF WE WANT TO ESTABLISH THE HEALTH DEATH RATE AS A LEADER IN PUBLIC HEALTH, WE NEED TO BETTER FACILITATE PARTNERSHIPS. WE NEED TO REACH THE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES AND POPULATIONS, AND WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE PARTNERS, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE CLINIC WE HAVE GOING. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GONZALES, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, WE HAVE CLINICS IN BISHOP AND FOR TYROSINASE, WE HAVE PROVIDED SERVICES FOR THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE RURAL PAUL POINT OF THE COUNTY. >> WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF REOPENING THE DOWNTOWN SATELLITE LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE STAFF PROVIDING PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES TWICE A WEEK. TWO MONTHS, WE HAVE ALSO FOCUSED ON APPLYING FOR GRANTS, AND WE HAVE ALSO HEARD CONDUCTED AN IN-SERVICE TRAINING . I WANT TO DEVELOP A HIGH APARTMENT FUNCTIONING SO WE CAN FACILITATE CUSTOMER SERVICE EXCELLENTLY, AND TO THE RESIDENCE OF NUECES COUNTY, AND CORPUS CHRISTI, TX. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IT'S VERY NICE TO MEET YOU. >> MAY I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? >> DR., JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS . IT WAS A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU WHEN WE DID THE RIBBON-CUTTING FOR THE MOBILE CLINIC. I HAVE SOME VERY POSITIVE COMMENTS, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT AS BIG A CROWD AS WE WOULD LIKE, BUT WE HAVE SOME GOOD COMMENTS FOR HAVING IT IN PORT ARANSAS , AND FOR ME PERSONALLY, SPEAK FOR NOBODY ELSE UP HERE. THAT I AM REALLY PLEASED WITH HOW PROGRESS IS GONE AND ADVANCEMENT IS GONE, AND I THINK WE ARE DOING PUBLIC [00:05:02] HEALTH BETTER THAN WE'VE EVER DONE IT BEFORE. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT OVER THE LAST PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN, AND I'VE KEPT AN EYE ON THIS, AND I'VE STAYED IN TOUCH WITH OTHER FOLKS AND STEVE BEFORE YOU GOT THERE, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PROFESSIONALISM. WE REALLY ARE THRILLED TO HAVE YOU HERE IN THE COASTAL AREA, I KNOW THAT JUERGEN HAVE A REALLY GREAT TIME HERE. THANK YOU FOR ACCEPTING THE POSITION. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, AGAIN. >> THANK YOU. DR. DANTE GONZALES, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR PUBLIC HEALTH. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I AM EXTREMELY HAPPY AND GRATEFUL TO HAVE A LEADER LIKE DR. KOHN, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW IDEAS AND AGGRESSIVE INTERACTIVE MEANS WE ARE DOING WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY . WE WERE ABLE TO MERGE ALL OF OUR SERVICES AND PROVIDE TO THE RURAL COMMUNITY AND BE ABLE TO TRACK DOWN THE SERVICES AND PRO BONO SERVICES. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH A LOT OF PARTNERSHIPS NOW. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IN THE PAST, WE DID NOT HAVE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT WITH DIFFERENT PARTNERS. WE ARE BRINGING IN COLLEGE STUDENTS TO OUR FACILITY, AND SPECIFICALLY NURSING STUDENTS, BECAUSE WE ARE LOSING THEM TO THE BIGGER CITIES, THEY ARE GOING OUT FOR TRAINING. SO WE ARE CREATING A PATH FOR THEM HERE AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO COME IN, AND LOOK AT WHAT PUBLIC HEALTH IS IN PERHAPS MAYBE WE COULD SNAG SOME OF THOSE NURSES TO STAY WITH US IN THE PUBLIC HEALTH BEER. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHAT WE SAW DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE CREATED THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH NURSES. I AM SURE THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PANDEMIC SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PREPARED BY CREATING A SEGWAY THAT WILL BE AN OFFICIAL FOR A COMMUNITY WITH NURSES COMING INTO CORPUS CHRISTI . THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, I'M GRATEFUL TO BE SERVING AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, AND I AM GRATEFUL TO BE DIRECTED BY HER GREAT DR. KOHN. I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU SAYING IT'S WISDOM, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT. [1. In recognition of 2023 Martin Luther King, Jr. Celebration and Commemorative March - January 16, 2023.] BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU FOR THE COORDINATION. >> YEAH, WHAT A CONCEPT. >> MOVING ON, RESOLUTIONS. RESOLUTION AND RECOGNITION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. COMMEMORATIVE MARCH JANUARY, 16 AND THERE WERE SEVERAL OF US THERE THAT WALKED IN MARCH, AND WE READ THE RESOLUTION. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. >> MOTION . SECOND? >> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> DO YOU WANT TO READ THE RESOLUTION? >> I DON'T HAVE IT. >> LINDA, PLEASE. >> WHEREAS EACH YEAR IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY, THE CORPUS CHRISTI ALUMNI CHAPTER DATA CIGNA DATA SORORITY, INC., COMES TOGETHER TO COMMEMORATE THE LIFE AND LEGACY OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. AND BECAUSE THE CELEBRATION MARCH REMINDS US OF ARI INTERDEPENDENCE, AND RE-AFFIRMS DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY'S COMMITMENT TO CIVILITY AND SERVICE. WHERE'S DR. KING WAS QUOTED AS SAYING, THE FUNCTION OF EDUCATION IS TO TEACH , AND TO THINK INTENSIVELY, AND TO THINK CRITICALLY, INTELLIGENCE PLUS CHARACTER. THAT IS THE GOAL OF TRUE EDUCATION. AND BECAUSE THE WOMEN OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, WANT TO USE THEIR COLLECTIVE STRENGTH TO PROMOTE ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE EMMA PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS, OFFER SUPPORT TO THE UNDERSERVED, EDUCATE, AND STIMULATE PARTICIPATION IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF POSITIVE PUBLIC POLICY , HIGHLIGHT ISSUES AND PROVIDE SOLUTIONS FOR PROBLEMS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. WHEREAS DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY INC., THE CORPUS CHRISTIE ALUMNI CHAPTER, IN ORGANIZING THE 2023 MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. HOLIDAY CELEBRATION IN COMMEMORATIVE MARCH, CELEBRATING THE 60TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE MONUMENTAL I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE ARANSAS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM JANUARY 1620 23 THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. CELEBRATION AND COMMEMORATIVE MARCH, AND FURTHER ENCOURAGES THE CITIZENS OF ARANSAS COUNTY TO JOIN WITH THE ALUMNI CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY INC. ON THIS AUSPICIOUS OCCASION. >> INKY. >> THANK YOU. [G. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.] [00:10:03] >> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP . MR. DAVIS SAID, YOU ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OR DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? I SOUGHT THAT NOW, BUT DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE ITEM COMES UP AT 1:00 ON THE AGENDA? >> OF COURSE. YES. >> GOOD MORNING HONORABLE JUDGE, AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. PETER JAMISON. 1524 NORTH SHORELINE , I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND PARTICIPATION IN WHAT YOU DO. AND I WANTED TO THANK MISS DEANNA KING, AND MISS SCOTT CROSS FOR THE GOOD JOB THAT THEY ALWAYS DO . THE STAFF USUALLY DO NOT GET RECOGNIZED , SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR FINE EFFORT. >> THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> XAVIER GONZALES ? >> ALL MY LIFE HAS BEEN JAVIER , BUT RECENTLY IT'S BEEN SAVIOR. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M WITH THE TEXAS ASSOCIATED SCHOOL BOARDS, NONPROFIT ASSOCIATED SERVING PRIMARY SCHOOLS BEFORE WE GOT INVOLVED IN PROCUREMENT OF ELECTRICITY. I WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO YOUR ATTENTION. WE ARE MEMBER GOVERNMENT, AND ONE OF OUR BOARD IS MICHAEL ROBINSON, YOU'VE HEARD FROM HIM BEFORE. HE BROUGHT TO OUR TO DO THAT WHILE WE ADVERTISE ACROSS THE STATE, WE WEREN'T ADVERTISE IN THE TIMES FOR LOCAL VENDORS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TODAY TODAY, AND THROUGH THE NEXT WEEK THE 25TH, WE WILL BE ADVERTISING FOR SERVICES WE RENDER. THAT ALLOWS LOCAL VENDORS TO SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON. OUR CONTRACTS ARE FOR THREE YEARS. OUR VENDORS, WE TELL THEM, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO BECOME REGISTERED VENDORS TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND SEE WHEN THEIR STUFF IS COMING ON FOR BIDDING. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WE ARE VENDOR, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. THANK YOU, MICHAEL ROBINSON. >> THANK YOU. >> THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO I HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. NOBODY ONLINE? [1. January 4, 2023] >> SO MOVING ON TO ITEM H , I ACCEPT THE MINUTES FOR THE JANUARY 4TH , 2023 MEETING? DO I HAVE A MOTION? THEY ARE IN YOUR PACKET. I HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE . ANY OPPOSED? >> MOTION PASSES FOR THE [1. Approve appointments to the following Nueces County Board(s): 1. Coastal Bend Council of Governments 2. Nueces County Housing Finance Corporation] MINUTES. >> MOVING ON TO ITEM I , BOARD APPOINTMENTS. THE FORSTER'S THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, AND THAT IS JUST TO REMOVE THE FORMER COUNTY JUDGE, AND CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE CURRENT MYSELF, TO MYSELF, AND MY CHIEF OF STAFF. SHALL WE HAVE A MOTION? >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? ANY OPPOSED? >> AND THAT MOTION WAS FOR JAGAN , TO REPLACE JUDGE AND CITY ATTORNEY? >> BOTH OF THEM? >> AND THAT THE HOUSING COUNTY HOUSING FINANCE IS THE SAME. >> MOTION. SECOND . ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? >> AYE? OPPOSED? >> THAT IS TO REPLACE AND REMOVE THE FORMER COUNTY JUDGE AND PUT MYSELF IN CONNIE SCOTT AS THE NUECES COUNTY COUNTY HOUSING BOARD MEMBER. [2. Approve appointment of Commissioner Brent Chesney to the Nueces County Purchasing board replacing the former County Judge.] >> NUMBER TWO IS APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER BRENT CHESNEY TO REPLACE THE FORMER COUNTY JUDGE. MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? >> AYE . MOTION PASSES FOR COMMISSIONER BRENT CHESNEY ON [3. Nueces County Beach Management Advisory Committee] THE PURCHASING BOARD TO REPLACE THE FORMER COUNTY [00:15:02] JUDGE, AS WELL. >> NUMBER THREE, THE NUECES COUNTY BEACH ADVISEMENT MEETING. >> JUDGE, THINK WE HAVE TO TABLE THIS BEER BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET ANY NOTICE. I WAS ASKING ABOUT THIS, AND APPARENTLY POINT OF CONTACT IS THE COASTAL PARKS . SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LETTERS OF REAPPLICATION OF ANY BEACH MANAGEMENT AND ADVISORY BOARD, IN OUR BACKUP. SO I KNOW , AS YOU CAN SEE THE CHAIRMAN ON THERE NOW, I KNOW THEY WERE REAPPOINTED, BUT WE HAVE TO TABLE THIS TO REOPEN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY. >> WE HAVE AN APPLICATION. >> YEAH, BUT THAT IS A NEW ONE. >> SOMEHOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TELL US WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT? >> MEGHAN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THE CURRENT MEMBERS SEATED ON THE COMMITTEE. THERE ARE SEVEN THAT ARE READY TO REAPPLY. SO WE WERE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE EIGHTH , PENDING ON WHAT YOU ALL DID HER TODAY, -- INDISCERNIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY LETTERS OF APPLICATION, WE WERE GOING TO BRING THOSE ON THE EIGHTH. >> I DO KNOW THIS WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA UNTIL I SAW IT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THE EMAIL THAT I SAW WAS, IT WAS SENT TO MEGHAN, AND MEGHAN WAS SUPPOSED TO -- BECAUSE THESE ALL EXPIRED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, THIS SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE LAST YEAR. WE JUST TABLED THIS BECAUSE OF OUR POLICY. THERE'S BEEN SOME BREAKDOWN HERE, AND TO ME, IT OUGHT TO JUST ME -- EVERY BOARDING COMMISSION GETS NOTIFIED BY THE SAME GROUP, AND NOT HAVE TO RELY ON YOU THEN, YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY YOU. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS CHANGE THIS PROCESS WHERE EVERY BOARDING COMMISSION GETS NOTIFIED OF THE REEVALUATES COMING UP BY THE BOARD IN THE MINISTRATION. YOU WANTED IT THAT WAY? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ALL WERE DOING IT. IT SHOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY, NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. SO IF WE COULD CHANGE THAT. SO BEFORE WE BRING A MOTION TO THE TABLE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING NOTIFIED BRODER BOARD MEMBERS, BE NOTIFIED AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE AUSTIN. SO THAT WOULD MY MOTION. >> I SEA CLIFF IS ON, BUT WHEN WE COME BACK ON FEBRUARY 8, WHERE I KNOW IT'S NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THE QUORUM THAT BOARD NUMBER BACK TO SEVEN FROM 11. >> I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT FOR SCHOOL. RIGHT NOW, -- >> CAN WE JUST PUT ON THAT FIRST? >> KARA WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. I THINK SHE MAY BE SENT THE NOTE -- >> OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] NO, SHE SENT IT TO MEGHAN. >> RIGHT. CURRENTLY, OUR PROCESS HAS BEEN OUR BOARD CONTACT FOR EACH OF THE THIRTYISH BOARD MEMBERS CONTACT AND ACTIVE, SO WE DON'T CONTACT EACH AND EVERY BOARD MEMBER INDIVIDUALLY. SOME PREFER EMAIL, SOME PREFER FOREIGN CALLS, SOME PREFER LETTERS, ANYWAY, SO INDISCERNIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] -- >> I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PUT IT ON SOMEONE ELSE TO NOTIFY ABOUT OUR BOARDS, TO ME THAT OUGHT OF, OUT OF OUR OFFICE. >> >> WE'VE GOT I HAVE SOME CONSISTENT PATTERN HERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE NOBODY REAPPLYING FOR BMAC , I KNOW MOST OF THEM WANT TO COME BACK, MOST OF THEM ONE TO COME BACK. SOMETHING IS FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS HERE, SO WE WANTED IT THAT OUT. I MADE A MOTION. I THINK IT'S AN EASY THING TO DO, I THINK WE NEED TO CONTACT AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE COMING UP, THEY CAN REAPPLY, AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO. >> MOTION TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING. >> NO, THIS MOTION WAS TO REVIEW CONTACT. AND I WILL DO THE SECOND MOTION, JUDGE, AFTER THAT. >> SO WE GENERALLY CHANGING POLICY ON THIS ONE? >> IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT NEXT TIME, THAT'S GREAT. BUT FOR NOW, ONE A CONSISTENT WAY OF DOING THIS. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT WAY TO DO WITH IT. IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATIVE NEXT TIME, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. BUT FOR NOW. I JUST WANT THIS MOTION. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO CHANGES OVER TO ADMINISTRATION FOR US TO NOTIFY ANY APPLICANTS ON RENEWALS FOR BOARDS? IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? [00:20:02] >> >> YEAH, I'M GOING TO DO THAT AFTER THIS ONE. >> AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT, THAT'S OKAY. BUT THIS WAY TO ME, JUST ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE WILL MOVE THIS TO COURT ADMINISTRATION FOR THEM TO NOTIFY ALL APPLICANT FOR ANY BOARDS IF THEY ARE COMING UP FOR RENEWAL FOR THE SAME PERSON. WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GONZALES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I. >> AYE >> NOW JUDGE , I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE AND REOPEN THIS. WE HAVE A MOTION [4. Christus Spohn Board of Trustees] AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE? >> MOTION TO TABLE. >> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE WAS THE SAME. I DID GET A PHONE CALL THIS MORNING FROM MR. GOLDMAN, AND NAT CARNEY. >> DID GET A LETTER ON THIS ONE? >> YOU FAILED TO KNOW HE WAS UP, I'M SURE HE DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED EITHER, BUT -- SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE. >> YEAH, WE HAVE TO REOPEN THIS ONE TOO, BECAUSE HE HAD FILED HIS LETTER OF INTEREST. >> >> HE WAS VERY ADAMANT, HE WANTED TO BE RE-APPOINTED . >> AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE TO MAKE A MOTION AND TABLE. >> WE HAVE A SECOND? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? >> AYE >> OPPOSE? >> MOTION PASSES TO TABLE AND REOPEN IN THE FEBRUARY 8TH MEETING. >> TO TABLE AND REOPEN? >> YES, WE HAVE TO REOPEN. >> THEN, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, [5. Nueces County Coastal Parks Board] AND NUECES COUNTY PARKS BOARD. SIX DID APPLY, AND WE HAD ONE APPLICATION, AND WE RECEIVED APPLICATIONS ON THIS AS WELL. FIRST OF ALL, I MOVED TO REAPPOINT THE FIVE OR SIX THAT ASKED TO BE REAPPOINTED. >> CAN YOU MENTION THEM BY NAME? >> TROY ADLER, ROBERT PAULISON, KIMBERLY ZAHN WINTON, MIKE CHACON, MISTRESS OF VODA , CODY BATES, AND MK WALLING. >> THIS IS YOUR SLATE JUDGE. I MESSED THAT UP. >> I APOLOGIZE. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO, YOU ARE FINE. >> YOU CAN DO THE NEXT ONE. >> AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION ON THE ONE OPEN APPOINTMENT TO APPOINT MK WALLING . SHE HAS APPLICATION IN. THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> I POLISH JUDGE, YOU SHOULD'VE DONE THAT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, THAT'S YOUR SLATE. YOU SHOULD'VE DONE THAT. >> THAT'S OKAY. >> SHE IS HERE. JUST LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS, AND THANK YOU FOR SIGNING UP, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU SERVING. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING IS ON THE 26TH OF THIS MONTH, IF YOU COULD BE THERE TO SWEAR THESE FOLKS IN, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> AT THREE P.M., AT COUNTRY PARK WRITING OFFICE. [6. Nueces County Emergency Service District No. 1] >> THANK YOU. >> ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, NUECES COUNTY COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT 1. WE HAVE LETTERS OF INTENT FROM ALL THREE POSITIONS. >> MOTION TO REAPPOINT. >> ALL THREE? >> YES. >> KEITH PAVELKA, KYLE LUKEN BACH, AND BERNARD MOORE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT , ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> YOU ONLY HAVE ONE VACANCY? >> BUT THERE'S TWO OTHER PEOPLE APPLYING. [00:25:03] >> THREE POSITION EXPIRE, ONE VACANT POSITION. >> I NOMINATE YOU SAY TORRES . >> THAT WOULD BE MY NOMINATION. >> A MOTION IN THE SECOND INDISCERNIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] . >> WE HAVE TWO SECONDS. >> THAT'S FINE. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. MOTION CARRIES, SO THE ONE VACANT POSITION IS TORRES. [7. Nueces County Emergency Service District No. 2] HERE, THANK YOU, AND WELCOME. >> ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT NUMBER TWO. >> JUDGE, SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE SO THE PRESENTATION , AND I HEARD HER FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST NIGHT, I DO NOT HAVE A POSITION ON IT, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE OF WHAT CAME UP LAST NIGHT, JENNY WAS, THE CORPUS CHRISTI FIRE DEPARTMENT MATED TO POSTAL TO ABSORB THEM. WHAT I REALLY NEED TO KNOW, AND WHAT I THINK THIS COURT NEEDS TO KNOW IS HOW DOES THAT WORK? FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S A BIG , HUGE DECISION FOR THE COMMUNITY. THERE WAS AN ELECTION TO PUT THOSE PEOPLE IN PLACE. THAT PUT THE BOARD IN PLACE, AND IN MY OPINION, AT LEAST, I'M LEANING TOWARDS IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT SHOULDN'T BE DECIDED BY COMMISSIONS COURT OR BOARD, SHOULD BE DECIDED BY THE COMMUNITY. AND SHOULD POSSIBLY GO TO ELECTION. BEFORE I WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET A LEGAL OPINION FURTHER, AS TO HOW THESE ESD'S WORK. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE REVIEWED THEM. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO MISTAKE THIS THAT IS FOR THIS, OR AGAINST US, BECAUSE I TRULY JUST HEARD THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. THERE WERE THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION, THE AND THINGS ASAP, BUT IF I WERE ON THE BOARD, AGAIN, DON'T HAVE A POSITION. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF BECAUSE IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT WORKS AND WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. CAN THE BORGES MAKE THAT DECISION? DOES THE COMMISSIONERS COURT RECOMMENDATION MATTER? HOW WILL IT BE ABLE TO GO TO A VOTE? BECAUSE, THAT'S A BIG, HUGE DEAL THAT COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS A WELL LOVE DEPARTMENT, AND IT'S ALSO HAVING DETRACTORS JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE DOES, LIKE I DO, LIKE WE SHOULD GET RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ON THIS BOARD. BEFORE MAKING DECISIONS, I WOULD REACH OUT THAT PIECE ON THE BOARD, AND ASKED THEM, IT'S IMPORTANT, SO ASKED HIM TO STAND DOWN FOR A MINUTE TILL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE REAL PROCESSES. I KNOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT IS A PLAUSIBLE OPTION. I KNOW IT IS, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, SO I WOULD ASK FOR ADVISORY ON THAT, PRETTY QUICKLY ON THAT. AND TABLE THIS TO FEBRUARY 8TH WITH DIRECTION TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS PART OF THAT TABLING. >> ONE OF THE ISSUES THEY ARE IS, PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE PAYING TAXES DOUBLE FOR BOTH ENTITIES. >> THERE'S A LADDER FODDER GOING ON ABOUT THAT, I MEAN, DUPLICATE -- I MEAN, THE CITY ABSORB IT, THEY ARE GOING TO RAISE TAXES. THERE'S A LOT OF DEBATE GOING ON, SO WAS RIGHT, SO IT'S NOT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL REMEDIES ARE FOR US, AND WILL WHAT IT MEANS OTHER THAN BEING BORED, WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN THE BOARD DO? I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE, AND WITH THE BOARD CHAIR, AND WITH THE, -- I I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ABOUT THIS. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT. AND, I GET IT, NUMBER NOT TAKING POSITION, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS ARE. >> YES COMMISSION, WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE A. >> I KNOW, WITH THIS WE COULD PUSH THAT TO THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY, AS LONG AS THE BOARD DOESN'T MAKE A BUNCH OF DECISIONS ABOUT IT. I WANT THIS TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE JAMMIN DOWN PEOPLE'S THROAT. BUT LET'S MAKE A MOTION TO THE TABLE TO THE FEBRUARY DATE, OR, WHICH OVER THE NEXT ONE IS IN FEBRUARY 8TH, THE EIGHTH OF THE 22ND, DEPENDING ON YOUR READINESS. SO WHEN THE COURT MANAGES REACH OUT TO THE BOARD, AND SAY, PLEASE DON'T MAKE [00:30:01] DECISIONS THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT LEGAL OPTIONS. >> I'D RATHER DO IT THAT WAY. >> WE WILL DO THAT . >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL THE 22ND. SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE . MOTION PASSES TO [8. Nueces County Emergency Service District No. 3] FEBRUARY 8 OR TABLE UNTIL THE SECRETARY IS READY. >> ITEM NUMBER EIGHT , NUECES COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT NUMBER THREE, THEY HAD TWO POSITIONS OPEN, AND TWO LETTERS OF INTENT FROM THE INCUMBENTS. >> GARY, AND BARRY. >> MOTION TO REAPPOINT . >> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION, AND A SECOND TO APPOINT AN ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> BE OPPOSED, ? THE MOTION PASSES TO REAPPOINT GARY YOU AND FELT, AND BARRY FOR KAREN . ITEM NUMBER NINE, EMERGENCY DISTRICT SERVICES NUMBER FOUR. COULD WE GO BACK ONE? >> CARL HILL WAS NUMBER THREE. HE EXPLOITED ALSO ON DECEMBER 31ST. I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT WITH JENNY, GOT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. I'M NOT HUNDRED PERCENT ON THIS ONE HERE. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT AS FAR AS , I AM IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW TRYING TO REMOVE MR. HILL FROM THAT POSITION. WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE VOTE AGAIN. NOT RIGHT NOW. CAN WE LOOK AT THAT, CAN WE MEET IN THE NEXT MEETING AND SEE ? >> YES, IF YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT ONE FROM THE EIGHTH, WE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING. WE MIGHT BE RINGING -- >> NUMBER THREE. >> IT DOESN'T EXPIRE UNTIL 22 23? >> IS NOT ON THE LIST THE I DON'T HAVE THAT. >> HOLD ON. >> MY BAD. I DON'T HAVE THAT EITHER. >> WHAT IS HIS NAME, COMMISSIONER? CARL HILL, EXPIRES 20 23. HEY JOE >> JOE. >> OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> WE WILL JUST TABLE THAT ONE FOR RIGHT NOW. THIS IS ON THREE, WE APPOINTED THESE TWO. BUT WE ARE NOT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE ON THE REST OF THAT. [9. Nueces County Emergency Service District No. 4] INDISCERNIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> MOVING IT TO NUMBER NINE, NUECES COUNTY COUNTY SERVICES DISTRICT FOUR. >> WE HAVE THREE LETTERS RECEIVED FOR INTENT. THERE ARE THREE POSITIONS WITHIN THE THREE MEMBERS, DAMIEN FOR NESS, OR JUST GROUP PULSE SWEETEST . ALL THREE MEMBERS ARE SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT. THE MOTION IS TO REAPPOINT THEM. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, YES? >> AYE [10. Nueces County Emergency Service District No. 6] >> THE MOTION TO APPOINT A THREE MEMBERS THAT ARE EXPIRED. ITEM NUMBER 10 , EMERGENCY DISTRICT NUMBER SIX. AND, I HAVE NOTHING IN THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> THREE LETTERS OF INTENT. >> WE HAVE THREE INCUMBENTS WHO HAVE RESUBMITTED LETTERS OF INTENT. I DON'T HAVE THEIR NAMES. CAN SOMEONE ELSE SAY THEIR NAMES? >> MARY BROWN, DENNIS HASKETT, AND WILLIAM ORTNER. >> MOTION TO REAPPOINT ALL THREE? >> SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, ALL IN [00:35:03] FAVOR? >> JUDGE, FOR CLARIFICATION, IF WE CAN GET AN IDEA OF ON THESE APPOINTMENT SO WE HAVE SO MANY, AND OVER THE YEARS YOU LEARN WHERE EACH IS THAT, BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC MAY NOT KNOW THE NUMBER, SO WE CAN ATTACH THE GENERAL LOCATION OF WHERE THAT STATION IS. THOSE ARE BASED OUT OF CAN HAVE A BETTER BREAKDOWN, WE CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE -- I ALWAYS FORGET AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT MIGHT HELP ALSO THE PUBLIC WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AGAIN FOR FUTURE APPOINTMENTS. >> THAT WILL HELP ME, AS WELL. THANK YOU. [11. Nueces County Historical Commission] >> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11 , NUECES COUNTY COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION. >> WE HAVE TWO-YEAR TERMS THAT EXPIRE . ALL BOARD MEMBERS EXPIRED DECEMBER 2022, AND WE HAVE THE LIST OF BOARD MEMBERS. VOLUME ] >> 17 BOARD MEMBERS , AND I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING ON THESE. BUT I UNDERSTAND ALL WISH TO READ THROUGH REAPPOINTMENT. >> I MOVED TO REAPPOINT ALL 17 MEMBERS. WE HAVE A SECOND, AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- SPEAKERS ] REAL QUICK DISCUSSION, JUDGE, WITH GREAT GRATITUDE, WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO, WE WOULD APPRECIATE ALL OF OUR WORDS AND COMMISSIONS. BUT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE SHOULD, BECAUSE THEY DO INCREDIBLE WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY. AGAIN, ALL THESE BOARDS DO, BUT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION HAS A SPECIAL PLACE IN OUR HEART. >> I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY THE SMARTEST OF ALL THESE PHD'S AND BACKGROUNDS, ALL OF YOU KNOW,. >> >> WE DO GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU. >> WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, AND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE . >> THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING. >> ] >> OH PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD STAND, THE FOUR OF YOU WHO ARE HERE TODAY, FEW WOULD STAND. YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATED IT >> THE NEXT ITEM , WE ARE [2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.] SKIPPING THE SPECIALTY ITEM BECAUSE IT COMES UP AT 11::00. THE CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS YOU WISH TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? >> NOT ME. >> YET, I WANTED TO PULL I. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO PULL? >> IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH V . DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. THAT'S IT? ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO PULL? IF NOT, CAN I GET A MOTION TO PASS ALL ITEMS EXCEPT, I FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> AND A SECOND ? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE [I. Approve Listing of Grants to be included in the Vendor Payments Exception List not requiring Commissioners Court pre-approval.] RESPOND WITH I , WITH AYE. MOTION PASSES. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT. TRACK I THEM, BECAUSE LAST YEAR, WE DIDN'T VOTE AGAINST THE GRANTS BEING ADDED TO THE CALENDARS . THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO COME TO COURT. BUT WE PUT INCENTIVES AND THAT, AND I KNOW THERE'S ONLY EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE, EMERGENCY SHELTER, EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE GRANT, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THESE HERE, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GRANT. SOMETIMES WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, AND [00:40:04] HOW MUCH MONEY IS BEING CHANNELED THROUGH THESE GRANTS, WHAT ARE WE PAYING? WETHERS CAN BE A LARGE AMOUNT OR NOT? ESPECIALLY, THIS IS OFF AT THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE THROUGH WITH THE EMERGENCY FOOD SHELTER, BUT WE ARE NOT. I DON'T MIND APPROVING THIS, JUDGE, BUT I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A CHECK AND BALANCE HERE TO SAY THAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH YOU. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MONITOR. >> HAD A MEETING WITH THEM, AND WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THIS FOUR OUNCE CAN STILL WILL COME TO MY ATTENTION BEFORE HE GETS PAID. YES. >> >> AS LONG IT IS -- AS LONG AS IT DOES. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PEERS BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT ON THIS FOR GRANTS ASSISTANCE BE MONITORED BY THE JUDGE'S OFFICE PRIOR TO SOLICITOR >> LET ME ADD TO THAT. IF YOU CAN COME TO COURT, IT SHOULD COME TO COURT . IF YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE SEND TO MEETINGS AND THE JUDGE HANDLES IT, IS THAT OKAY? >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE THERE IS A QUESTION IN COMMISSIONER GONZALES IS VERY VALID POINT. >> I SECOND. >> THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR, RIGHT COMMISSIONER? I TOTALLY GOT IT. BUT, I WAS OKAY FOR YOU, SO YOU IN THE BACK, NORMALLY REMIND ME, THE PROCESSES, WITH ANY GRANT YOU HAVE TO BRING BEFORE US TO APPROVE TO ENTER IN AND APPLY FOR, CORRECT? THESE GRANTS ARE FULLY FUNDED. WE DON'T PAY BACK ANY, SUMMER BY CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR MATCHING FUND, WHAT HAVE YOU, AND WHAT THIS IS DISCUSSED HERE TODAY, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THAT APPOINTMENT THIS IS THE REPORTING PART OF IT. IS THIS THE ACTUAL ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDING IS OR IS THIS TO ACTUALLY APPLY FOR IT. BACK THIS IS PAYMENTS. >> THESE ARE PAYMENTS. >> ACTUAL PAYMENTS? >> SO WE KEEP TRACK OF THE PAYMENTS IN THE PAPER TRAIL. >> WE COME TO YOU TO GET THE AWARD ONLINE, AND WE COME BACK TO YOU, WE GET AWARDED A DIFFERENT AMOUNT. AT THAT TIME WE PROVIDE A BUDGET AS TO HOW MUCH IS BEING BUDGETED FOR EACH ITEM, SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE PAYMENT PROCESS. IT IS ALSO REPORTING, BUT IT TAKES TIME FOR THESE PAYMENTS TO GO THROUGH, AND SOMETIMES THERE IS A LET A DELAY . SO IF WE WERE TO PASSES TODAY, THIS MAY SLOW YOU DOWN BECAUSE OF REPORTING REQUIREMENTS TO US, BUT THESE PROGRAMS ARE STILL BEING FUNDED, RIGHT? >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I WOULDN'T WANT TO STICK IT IN THE WAY OF OURSELVES. IN PROVIDING SERVICES TO THIS PROGRAM >> BATTERY BASED ON THE PAYMENTS THAT ARE MADE, AND SOMETIMES REQUIRES THE PAYMENT WHICH IS COMING FROM THE BANK. -- >> EVEN IF WE PITTED, WE CAN PAY IT, AND REQUEST FOR MEMBERS, UNTIL WE GET THE CHECK AND IT'S DEPOSITED. >> HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE? >> SOMETIMES IT TAKES A COUPLE WEEKS. BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS OF APPROVING PAYMENTS IS GOING TO COURT, AND GETTING THE BANK, GETTING DEADLINES, WE MIGHT MISS THE MONTHLY DEADLINE. >>> THIS WAY IT'LL MAKE IT A LOT EASIER, WITH VICKI, DID NOT BRING TO COURT , THEN YOU CAN GET THE PROCESS MOVING. >> SO THAT WOULD GET THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE INVOLVED , BECAUSE WE DON'T REQUEST SOCIAL SERVERS SUBMIT THE REQUEST FOR PAYMENTS CALLED THE INVOICES. >> WILL JUST TALK TO THE JUDGE'S OFFICE. >> I GET NOTIFICATION EVERY DAY TO SIGN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO JUST BE ANOTHER PAPER THAT COMES IT TO BE SIGNED. SO, YEAH. GOOD. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND , DISCUSSION, AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANYBODY? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE. ANY OPPOSE? SAME . THE MOTION PASSES, DO YOU NEED ME TO REPEAT THAT? >> YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU. >> ITEM J. APPROVE SUBMISSION [00:45:01] KNOW, WHERE'D HE DID THAT. SORRY, EXCUSE ME. [1. Discuss and consider approving a budget amendment for Nueces County Hospital District fiscal year 2022/2023 budget allocation to the Nueces County Juvenile Justice Center from $407,000.00 to $474,000.00.] >> ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. A-ONE. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT FISCAL YEAR 2022/2023 BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR NUECES COUNTY JUVENILE JUSTICE CENTER FOR HIM 407,000 TO 474,000. >> JOHNNY HIP IS ON THE LINE. >> IN MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. THIS ITEM HAS TO DO WITH AN ADDITIONAL 67,000 AMOUNT THAT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT INTENDS TO COMMIT FOR HEALTHCARE IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CENTER. THIS ITEM WAS BEING DISCUSSED AT THE TIME THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED LAST FALL, BUT THE AMOUNT NEVER MADE IT INTO THE BUDGET IT SO THIS ITEM IS TO TAKE CARE OF DOING THAT. THIS ADDRESSES A COURT POLICY FOR HAVING ANYTHING OVER 10,000 ASK , COMING TO THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TO GO BEFORE YOU ALL. IT IS IN ADDITION TO APPROVE THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE DISTRICT'S BUDGET. THIS IS A 7000, YOU KNOW, AND THEY MAY MANDY JUMPED IN HERE BY THE WAY BUT IT IS INTENDED FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TO PAY ADDITIONAL HEALTHCARE EXPENSES THAT WERE RELATED TO PEOPLE IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CENTER, AND THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CENTER IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY KOECHER SHARE THE AMOUNT OF HEALTHCARE EXPENDITURES THERE. WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS INCREASING THE AMOUNT THEY COVER, AND THAT THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OF 67,000 THAT WERE COVERED ADDITIONALLY WAS GOING TO BE APPLIED TO I BELIEVE SOME OTHER THINGS AT THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CENTER THAT I THINK CAN BE ADDRESSED. >> JESUS QUESTION. BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID, JOHNNY WAS, BECAUSE IT'S OVER THE 10,000, SO DID THIS COURT VOTE TO ASK YOU FOR THIS MONEY? >> COMMISSIONER, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN , I DON'T RECALL TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THERE WAS QUITE OF -- QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION GOING ON. THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR AND THE 67,000, ASKA WAS CONVEYED TO US BY ACTED UPON IT, AND OUR BOARD APPROVED THAT AT ITS MEETING IN NOVEMBER. SO WE HAVE IT HERE TODAY FOR YOU ALL. >> I BELIEVE, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED, MAYBE ONLY BRIEFLY IN THE FINAL MINUTES BEFORE Y'ALL ADOPTED THE BUDGET LAST FALL. >> THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE BUDGET. SO WE HAD TO FIX IT. WHAT WE HAD TO DO IS ADDRESS IT AND MAKE IT ACCORDING TO THE RULES. IF THE COURT APPROVES THIS, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS ALREADY, THEY WILL SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR THE 67,000 TO COVER THE DEFICIT THAT IS THE JUVENILE PORTION OF THE PROJECT. >> THAT IS NOT MY QUESTION. >> KNOW. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS WAS JUST TO HELP THE DEFICIT. NO NO NO. >> YOU ARE CORRECT. >> LISTEN TO ME. >> >> WE HAVE A PROCESS. THE REASON WE PASSED THIS POLICY IS TO AVOID SITUATIONS LIKE THIS WHERE SOMEONE WHO DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY IN THIS CASE, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO MAKE THIS REQUEST, THEREFORE I LEARNED OF IT WHEN I SAW IT ON THE AGENDA AND HAD TO ASK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DEAL? SO MY PROBLEM WITH THIS IS, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS USUALLY STEPPING UP TO HELP US, WHICH WE APPRECIATE, SO I'M NOT ANGRY AT JOHNNY. >> BUT MY PROBLEM IS, THIS IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF POLICY, AND YOU KNOW IT'S A VIOLATION OF POLICY, AND HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WE'VE BEEN DOING THE OPPOSITE TO AVOID THESE THINGS. I GUESS I REMEMBER TO HEAR FROM REMEMBER HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, BUT, I DON'T LIKE THIS. I DON'T LIKE WHEN WE VIOLATE OUR PROCESS, THAT'S A BIG -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT MY THINGS, AND WE CANNOT BE [00:50:01] CONSISTENT ON IT, SO I'M A LITTLE BOTHERED. AND I APPRECIATE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT DOING IT, BUT JOHNNY, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY TO YOU ON THIS, PLEASE DON'T BRING THIS UP BEFORE YOUR BOARD . BECAUSE NOW WE ARE DOING IT IN REVERSE OVER, SO WE ARE DOING IT IN REVERSE ORDER. IT BE SILLY FOR US NOT TO APPROVE IT, SINCE WE VOTED ON IT. IT WASN'T ASKED BY THE COUNTY, WAS ASKED BY THE COUNTY MANAGER. AGAIN, LET'S WORK THIS PROCESS OUT. I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL, AND BEING THANKFUL FOR WHAT WERE DOING. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU JOHNNY, PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER ANYTHING EVER THAT IS NOT VOTED ON BY THIS COURT. BECAUSE, IT VIOLATES OUR PROCESS, AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO THAT TO PROTECT YOU ALL. I KNOW YOU ALL PASS A SIMILAR POLICY. WERE TRYING TO PROTECT YOUR JOB, BECAUSE YOU GETTING ALL THOSE ASKED THAT NO ONE KNEW YOU WERE GETTING ASKED ABOUT, WE SET THE POLICY IN PLACE TO PROTECT YOU ALL IN THE COUNTY. AND HERE WE ARE SECOND MEETING OF THE YEAR, AND WE'VE ALREADY POLLINATED OUR POLICY. I'M A LITTLE STUMPED. I DON'T KNOW. I'LL LET EVERYBODY ELSE TALK. BUT WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS. THIS IS ON YOU. I KNOW. YOU KNOW BETTER. YOU ARE PART OF THE REASON WHY WE DID THIS POLICY. YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, NO GOOD DEED GOES ON -- WHATEVER IT IS, BUT TO BE CLEAR, JOHNNY, I'M THANKFUL FOR YOUR BOARD ALWAYS STEPPING UP AND HELPING US, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE CASE. IT IS A MANNER OF BEING, WE HAVE A RIGHT ASK FOR ANYTHING OVER $10,000 AS PER OUR POLICY. SO PLEASE, HELP US WHEN YOU GET THESE. THE FIRST QUESTION SHOULD BE OKAY, DID WE VOTE ON THIS, OH NO, IT DOESN'T. SO WE GO BACK TO THE COURT FIRST. SO I GUESS I SAID MY PIECE. Y'ALL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH THIS. >> COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'VE A IS NORMALLY THE CONDUIT FOR US THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO THE COURT, SO WE RESPECT THE SITUATION, WE WILL DO WHATEVER YOU ALL NEED TO DO, BUT WE DO RELY ON HER TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO US. INFORMATION FROM YOU ALL, WE WILL WORK THROUGH THIS. >> JOHNNY IS IS NORMALLY A ROUTINE PAYMENT YOU ALL MAKE EVERY YEAR TO THE JUVENILE'S, RIGHT . EVERY YEAR YOU PROVIDE THIS ASSISTANCE OF $407,000 TO ASSIST THE JUVENILE CENTER FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT, WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE JUVENILES? >> IS THIS AN ONGOING ANNUAL THING? >> IT IS COMMISSIONER, BUT THE AMOUNT MAY CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT, MAKING FUNDS AVAILABLE TO COVER HEALTHCARE EXPENSES THAT THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CENTER IS A YEAR-TO-YEAR THING. THAT IS CORRECT. >> THIS YEAR IT WENT UP 57,000, WE SHOULD PROBABLY -- IT WASN'T ON THE RIGHT WAY. BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 67,000, EITHER. BUT WE UNDERSTAND IT SHOULD'VE GONE THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS. >> BUT IS COMMISSIONER CHESNEY SAYS, TOO, I THINK, IF IT COMES BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER, YOU SHOULD SAY WE ARE THE TABLET, AND IT SHOULD GO BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS. I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY HERE. IS JUST THAT, BEFORE YOU TAKE IT A POSITION COMMISSION COME BACK TO US. >> I AGREE WITH BOTH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, THIS WAS DONE SO WE COULD HAVE TRANSPARENCY ON WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS IS WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT NEEDS TO AGREE ON AND VOTE ON. THIS HAS BEEN DONE, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED. SO, I'LL SEE WHERE THIS TAKES US. >> I MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE 67,000. SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE 67,000 , AND DISCUSSION TO IN THE FUTURE BRING THIS BEFORE THE COAT -- COURT, AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AS A UNIT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSING. >> KNOW WITH EXPLANATION ON VIOLATING THE PROCESS. >> SO FOUR-ONE THE BOARD [2. Receive an update on the status of the Bob Hall Pier design, chloride testing, permitting, schedule and budget. Discuss and consider the results of the chloride testing and possible solutions within the already approved budget.] APPROVES. >> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, TO RECEIVE A UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF BOB HALL. DESIGN. >> JUDGE, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, BUT SOME CONCERNS ON THIS ONE, TOO. FIRST OF ALL, [00:55:05] MY UNDERSTANDING THIS HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT INTO THE PARKS BOARD. >> IT HAS IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE PARKS BOARD IN NOVEMBER. THIS PRESENTATION? >> I THOUGHT I GOT SOMETHING FROM THE CHAIRMAN TO SET IT HAS AN BEEN BROUGHT, DID THEY RENDER AN EAR PENDANTS? OR WEIGH IN ON THIS? >> THE PARK BOARD DID RENDER AN OPINION ON THIS, AND THE CONCEPT I GOT FROM TROY WAS THAT WE WOULD DEFER TO THE COURT TO MAKE A DECISION PENDING ON WHAT WE HEAR TODAY. >> I GET THAT, BUT THE PARK BOARD IS REPEATEDLY TOLD ME THEY WANT TO BE MORE INVOLVED SO, MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN THEY ARE THERE, OR NOT. I UNDERSTAND GEORGE'S PROBABLY WATCHING, SO WE CAN SAY THAT. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. I'M TRYING TO GET THIS TRAIN BACK ON THE TRACHSEL GOES TO THE PARK BOARD LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO. I'M TRYING TO GET THE TRAIN BACK OF THE TRUCK SO IT DOESN'T GO UNCERTAIN LIKE IT DID IN THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATIONS OF THE PARKS BOARD CAN WEIGH IN AND GET THEIR RECOMMENDATION. WE MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE, BUT WE ARE WANTING THEM TO WEIGH IN, SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE THAT THEY DID NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I ASKED THAT THAT NOT BE THE CASE GOING FORWARD, ANYMORE. I WANT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, LIKE I REALLY LEAD ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY DOING THIS EVERY DAY, AND WATCHING THIS EVERYDAY, AND NEED TO HELP ME DO IT. SO I'M GOING TO STRESS AGAIN, I'M ASKING YOU, AND I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO NOT REFER THINGS, NEW RECOMMENDATIONS. >> TROY IS ON HERE. >> I KNOW. TROY, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL, AND TRIED TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT LOOK, I GET A LOT OF GRIEF, BUT THE PARK BORDERS LEFT OUT OF STUFF. OKAY. I WANT THEM IN ON STUFF. I WANT THEM WEIGHING IN ON EVERYTHING RELATED TO PARK BOARD ACTIVITY. TO ASSESS THAT HAPPEN, I HAVE CONCERN TOO, SO THE ENGINEER, JOHN MICHAEL DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE WE HAD IT. >> >> >> I REACHED OUT TO HIM LAST NIGHT, AND SAID DID YOU SEE THIS? BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE SHOCKED , BEYOND US OF SOME OF THE DATA IN THIS. HE TOLD ME HE HASN'T SEEN IT. AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS. THAT'S WHY WE HIRED HIM TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING RELATED TO EVERYTHING. SO, I'VE GOT SOME REAL QUESTIONS ON EVEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS TODAY. BECAUSE, I WANT HIM, I WANT HIM TO LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE NUMBER. NO OFFENSE, HERE WE COME AGAIN, WITH THE ENGINEER WHO DID THE WORK , AND ASSISTED IN ORIGINALLY SAID IT WAS ALL OKAY, NOW THAT THE ENGINEERS, BECKINSALE OH WAIT A MINUTE, IT'S GOING TO COST BETWEEN $900,001.4 MILLION TO FIX THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT STILL REMAINS. THAT'S A GREAT CONCERN TO ME THAT THAT'S COMING FORWARD. I HAD A PASSING CONVERSATION I THINK WANT WITH SCOTT VEIRS THAT SAID, HEY, THERE COULD BE SOME ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING. OKAY, GREAT , SO THIS IS WHAT I GET. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HAD IT IN FRONT OF ME. AND YOU'RE TELLING ME, NOT YOU'RE TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND I'M BEING TOLD, EVEN SITTING HERE, AND BEING TOLD THAT THE ENGINEER THAT THIS COURT HIRED JOHN MICHAEL, TO WATCH OVER THIS AND LOOK OVER THIS HASN'T EVEN SEEN THIS, AND HAD A CHANCE TO ACCESS IT. SO QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THIS AND SEND THIS BACK TO FEBRUARY, AND I'D LIKE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PARK'S BOARD AND LET THE PARKS BOARD WEIGHING ON AND LET JOHN MICHAEL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. THIS THE SYSTEM WE HAD IN PLACE WITH THIS. IT HAS EMBEDDED HERE TOO, SO -- OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] I'LL LET ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO WEIGH IN, BUT BEFORE I'M MAKE MY MOTION. I'M NOT HAPPY WITH HER TEAM ON THIS. I'M REALLY NOT. I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT JOHN MICHAEL HASN'T LOOKED AT THIS. AND WAITING ON THIS, HE SHOULD GIVE US A DIFFERENT FIFTH VIEWPOINT. HE'S NOT EVEN HERE. , I SAID HEY, CAN YOU COME TOMORROW? SHE SAID NO, I'M NOT HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE SAID, BUT HE SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE PARKS BOARD DID GET A FULL PRESENTATION ON THIS IN NOVEMBER BEFORE THANKSGIVING. IT WAS PRESENTED THERE. WE WOULD'VE COME BACK IN DECEMBER, BUT THE COURT'S DECISION WAS WAVING TO PRESENTATIONS UNTIL JANUARY. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE BRINGING IT HERE. I DID WANT TO GET ON THE JANUARY 4TH AGENDA, BROUGHT UP THE HOLIDAYS, PEOPLE JUST GETTING SETTLED IN, SO I SUGGESTED BRINGING IN HERE THINKING IT WOULD BE A LIGHTER AGENDA THAN WHAT IT IS. >> SCOTT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE PARKS BOARD, FIRST BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING DECISIONS THAT SHOULD BE MADE. THEN WE ASKED THEM TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS , SO WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. THE MOTION WE ALWAYS [01:00:06] SUPPORT, BUT THEY WANT ANYWAY. BUT THEY AGREED THEY WOULD COME TO US WITH RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THEY MAKE ANY OTHER DECISIONS. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS AGO. AND , HERE WE ARE AGAIN. I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE ENGINEER. I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED SIR, BECAUSE& WAS TO COME TO US WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS. AND I REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE THAT. THE LAST TIME YOU CAME HERE WITH DIFFERENT NUMBER, I WAS ON THE TOCCI THAT YOU WERE THE ENGINEER THERE, YOU SHOULD'VE KNOWN BETTER. YOU DESIGNED WHAT WAS GOING TO NEED COMING YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT NUMBER WITHIN A COUPLE OF DOLLARS. HERE WE GO AGAIN IN THIS FORM , BUT A. >> I THINK YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL TELL YOU, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PARAMETERS WE HAVE, AND WHAT'S HAPPENING. YOU SURPRISES EVERY TIME. AND I AM TIRED OF SENDING MONEY OUT TO THE PIER. >> I WILL TAKE YOUR MESSAGE BACK TO THE BOARD. AND WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH ALL OF THAT IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION. I'M DEFENDING THE BOARD, THEY UP PORT ME, AND I CARRY OUT THEIR ORDERS. >> OKAY, IF IT'S CONFUSING, WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN, RIGHT? MAYBE WE SHOULD TABLE IT. I'LL SECOND THE TABLING. >> JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE TABLED THIS SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PARKS BOARD FOR THEIR VIEW AND RECOMMENDATION, AS WELL AS AND WITHOUT, BOTH UP FOR THAT IS DONE, THAT JOHN MICHAEL WE HIRED TO PARTICIPANT IN THIS AND TAKE A LOOK, AND GET HIS OPINION. BECAUSE GOTTA BE THE WHOLE TEAM, NOT JUST PART OF THE TEAM. IT IS A BIG, BIG ASK , THAT WE ARE NOW GOING TO WANT TO SPEND ANOTHER 900,000 OR MILLION FOR AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AT ALL WITHOUT HAVING THE ENTIRE TEAM WEIGHING IN ON THIS. THIS IS A TEAM DEAL. EXPORT IS A TEAM, AND I WANT THEM IN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OVER THE PARKS BOARD. I'M SAYING, WE MESSED UP. THERE WAS A LOT OF MESS UP LAST YEAR. I AM SAYING, I AM BAKING, I WANT THE PARKS BOARD IN ON THIS. I WANT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE WANT. THAT'S NOT JUST ME, THAT'S ALL OF US ONCE THE PARK BOARD IN ON THIS. HE GOT SCREWED UP LEISURE, AND I DID MY BEST TO GET BACK ON TRACK LAST YEAR, DIDN'T WORK. I THINK I HAVE A RULE ASKED TO GET ASK TO GET BACK ON TRACK NOW. WE HAVE TO ASK YOUR THAT BOARD IS IMPORTANT TO ME IN THIS COURT. AND WE WANT THEM TO BE HEARD. SO THEY ARE PART OF THE TEAM. IN JOHN MICHAEL NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE TEAM. THAT'S GOT TO BE PART OF THE MOTION, AND IN A TIGHT BIND, I'M RAMBLING. I SUBMIT THIS BACK TO THE PARKS BOARD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON ALL THE RECOMMENDATION WHICH INCLUDES JOHN MICHAEL BEING INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. YES SIR. THAT WILL BE ON THE 26, AND I ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU ALL TO COME TO THAT ON THAT PARKS BOARD OFFICE. >> WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR YOU, JUDGE. THANK YOU, WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO TABLE ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I. >> 10 49, IN A POST, SAME SIGN. MOTION TO TABLE. >> DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ITEM [3. Discuss and consider approval of a Professional Services and License Agreement between Nueces County Coastal Parks and the Gordian Group to provide a customized Job Order Contract (JOC) Complete Solutions.] NUMBER 23 PER FOOSBALL OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND LICENSE AGREEMENT BETWEEN GENDER SEVEN COASTAL PARKS AND GORDIAN GROUP TO PROVIDE A CUSTOMIZED SHOT OF ORDER CONTRACT WHICH I BELIEVE REDUCES YOUR PURCHASE AND COST. THE COURT, IT'S IN THE AGENDA LANGUAGE, BACKGROUND, AND WE CAME TO COURT BACK IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR TO TALK ABOUT SETTING UP A JOB ORDER CONTRACT PROGRAM. THE COURT APPROVED US TO GO FORWARD WITH THE CONDITION THAT WE WOULD GET THE CONTRACT WITH JENNY'S OFFICE, AND ALEX FILTER DOWN THE, LIMITARY WHAT, SHE'S A ROCK STARTER WITH WORK THAT SHE DOES FOR US. >> SO ANYHOW, SO, BETWEEN THAT POINT, AND TODAY, I SPENT MY TIME VETTING THIS WHOLE PROGRAM WITH MICHAEL IN PURCHASING, AND ALSO WITH ALEX IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND GAINING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SOURCE WELL, AND GORDIAN AS FAR AS HIS PROGRAM IS CONCERNED. >> SO IT HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT YEARS AGO, I WASN'T REAL [01:05:04] COMFORTABLE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A LOT ABOUT IT, BUT NOW THAT I HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE, AND WORKING WITH PURCHASING, AND OUR LEGAL OFFICE, I'M RECOMMENDING Y'ALL APPROVED THIS CONTRACT THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID THAT IT EXTENSIVELY. THEY ARE GOOD WITH IT. THIS CAN PRODUCE SOME REAL COST SAVINGS FOR US, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, GETTING CAUGHT UP TRACTORS THAT ARE LOCAL, AND BUILDING A LOCAL TENET OF LOCAL TRADES THAT WE CAN USE ILLUMINATING CHANGE ORDERS, REDUCING CROSS, REDUCING PRICING, THERE'S NO COST UPFRONT FOR THIS. IT IS LOW RISK. IT ALLOWS ME THE PURCHASING POWER, STILL FOLLOWING THE SAME GUIDELINES COMING CORRECTLY IF I'M MISSTATING ANYTHING MICHAEL, BUT STILL FOLLOWING THE SAME GUIDELINES BUT THE GERMAN LEVELS THAT I HAVE TO DO AS A PARK MANAGER, FIVE, 5025, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T ELIMINATE YOUR APPROVAL OF BIG PROJECTS. FOR INSTANCE, HERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. Y'ALL GET ME 680 5K FOR THE PARK OFFICE FROM THE INSURANCE PROCEEDS TO GO BACK OUT THERE AND FIX THE BUILDING. OKAY? I FIND A CONTRACTOR, BECAUSE IT'S NEEDED TO REPAIR THIS BUILDING, I FIND A CONTRACT ON THIS PROGRAM. I START TO BRING THEM BEFORE YOU BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. IT DOESN'T ELIMINATE Y'ALL'S APPROVAL. AND I'VE GOT MICHAEL, AND I'VE GOT BILL WITH GORDIAN ONLINE RIGHT NOW, AND THEY CAN ANSWER SOME MORE TECHNICAL PROCUREMENT QUESTIONS, THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR BECAUSE I'M STILL LEARNING THIS IS HIM GOING ON. ONCE Y'ALL EXECUTE THIS, TAKES ABOUT 9220 DAYS TO GET THE PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING. BUT, I REALLY THINK HIM AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW AS FAR AS INLAND PARTS, PUBLIC WORKS, WANT TO SEE HOW THIS THING WORKS, THEY MAY BE INTERESTED IN JUMPING ON BOARD TWO, AT SOME POINT. BUT RIGHT NOW, I'M THE GUINEA PIG. BILL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS TO HELP ME OUT HERE? >> YES. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO I HOPE INCREASE PARTICIPATION IN THE LOCAL CONTRACTOR COMMUNITY. IT WILL BE ESPECIALLY HELPFUL IN THE CASE OF TIME SENSITIVE PROJECTS, SUCH AS STORM OR EMERGENCY PROJECTS TO CONTACT LOCAL CONTRACTORS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO START WORK RIGHT AWAY. SCOTT, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING IT. >> AND I PUT DOWN THE BENEFITS. THERE ARE SOME POINTS IN THE AGENDA ITEM THERE FOR YOU TO REALLY SEE THE BENEFITS HERE, COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL FUNDING AND FEMA FUNDING, WHICH YOU SEE WE ARE STARTING TO GET A LOT MORE FEDERAL GRANTS AND FEDERAL FUNDING. SO THAT'S A GOOD RING. SOLE-SOURCE CONTRACT? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> IT'S LIKE A CO-OP UNDER THE JOB ORDER CONTRACT PROGRAM. >> YES, THE SOURCE WILL CONTRACT IS WHAT JORDY AND WAS AWARDED. WE USE COOPERATIVES FURTHER SERVICES, AND WORK THAT THE COUNTY DOES, IT REMOVES THAT COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS OF THE JOB BACK. >> THE SOLE-SOURCE. >> NO, IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. >> SOMEHOW I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO GET IT SELECTED FROM A GROUP. >> YOU CAN HAVE A GROUP IF IT SOLE-SOURCE, THAT'S JUST ONE. YOU CAN HAVE A PERSON THAT GETS ON THE SOLE-SOURCE LIST, AND DON'T THEY HAVE TO THROUGH A PROCESS TO GET ON THE LIST? >> IT'S NOT A SOLE-SOURCE LIST. IT'S MORE LIKE A COOPERATIVE WHERE MULTIPLE VENDORS COMPETE TO GET AWARDED , AND UNLESS THEY RECEIVE THAT THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS, THEN THAT'S A SOURCING IT. ONCE THEY HAVE MET THAT REQUIREMENT, THEN SCOTT CAN SELECT THEM FOR DIFFERENT JOBS JUST LIKE JORDY AND, , LIKE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR 'S >> DO THIS FOR ME THEN, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU GET ON THE SOLE-SOURCE LIST? >> IT ALSO ADHERES TO THE PURCHASING ACT. >> I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE SOLE-SOURCE WITH THIS. >> I'M ASKING YOU FOR THE DIFFERENCE. WHAT IS SOLE-SOURCE? >> SOLE-SOURCE WOULD BE, WE HAVE INSTALLED COMPUTER SOFTWARE. >> OH HOW DOES ONE QUALIFY? >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> THEY HAVE A SINGLE SOURCE PROCESS, OR THEY HAVE A PATENT ON A PARTICULAR PROCESS THAT THEY USE AND NO ONE ELSE CAN USE, OR IF WE HAVE INSTALLED PART THAT ARE CALLED CAPTIVE PARTS, WE CAN ONLY BUY FROM ONE SOURCE TO FULFILL THAT NEED. THAT IS WHAT QUALIFIES AS A SOLE-SOURCE. GENERALLY RECEIVE A SOLE-SOURCE LETTER CLAIMING IT SOLE-SOURCE, AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COURT TO VOTE ON , WHETHER THEY SEND DESIDERATA SOLE-SOURCE, OR NOT. LIKE IN THE CASE OF SOFTWARE , WITH A DETERMINED THAT IT DOESN'T FAST HOLD TO SATISFYING OUR NEEDS. BUT THEY [01:10:07] ARE THE ONLY PROVIDER . WE HAVE LITTLE BRANCH IS A SOFTWARE THE BRANCH OFF OF THAT THAT WE CAN ONLY GET IT FROM THEM. THAT IS WHAT SATISFIES SOLE-SOURCE. >> THAT'S A GREAT ACCLAMATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. >> THIS IS DONE IN A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT. YOU KNOW ME AND MY SOLE-SOURCE. I DON'T LIKE IT. BUT THIS IS BEEN A GREAT EXPLANATION. THANK YOU. RECALL, BOTH PEDICLES WE PUT IN. THEY HAD A PATENT ON THEM. THEY DID GREAT. THEY WERE SOLE-SOURCE. >> >> IT'S UNDER SOURCE WELL. YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP ME OUT HERE, MICHAEL. WHAT IS THE QUESTION? >> OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> IT IS SIMILAR TO BY BOARD. BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT COOPERATIVE. SOLE-SOURCE IS ANOTHER COOPERATIVE WORK VENDORS COMPETE FOR WORK. GORDIAN IS ON MULTIPLE COOPERATIVES, THIS IS ONE THAT THEY FELT WAS BEST ONE FOR THE COUNTY, WE PROVIDED ALL THAT INFORMATION WITH JENNY'S OFFICE, OR AT LEAST I DID. SO, THEY COULD READ SOURCE WELL TERMS AND CONDITIONS SO THEY WOULD LINE UP WITH THE COUNTY'S NEEDS ONCE A PASS THAT TEST.. >> THIS CAN HELP US, HAVING MORE OPTIONS. >> DID ABOUT THE LOCAL VENDORS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHEN WE HIT $50,000 I HAVE TO STOP SELLING OR BUYING FROM THEM BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE AT A POINT THAT ANYMORE WORK THEY GET MUST BE COMPETITIVELY BID YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TAP A ROOF RUN SHELTER AND SAY WE NEED REPAIR THIS ROUTE. BUT WITH THE UMBRELLA OF THE SOURCE WELL CONTRACT, AND THE JOB PROGRAM, THAT IS WHAT CREATES THE COMPETITION AND MEETS THE PURCHASING ACT REQUIREMENTS THAT ALLOWS US TO GO BEYOND 50,000. SO THEY MAY HAVE SMALL JOBS AND MAYBE FIVE OR $10,000, BUT SOURCE WAS PURCHASES WILL USUALLY GET YOU UP TO THE 50. ANYTHING THAT HAS ON THE PROGRAM FOR SCOTT OVER 50, HE WILL BRING BEFORE YOU BEFORE THE BOARD TO GET APPROVAL FOR THAT. >> BUT IF HEAPS OF SMALL ONES, COME $5000, $3000, THIS ALLOWS THE VENDOR CONTINUE TO WORK BEYOND THE 50. AS YOU HEARD EARLIER FROM THE GENERAL ONE MAN HEAR FROM BY BOARD, SO AS A MEMBER OF THEIR BOARD OF TRUSTEES, I PUSH FOR THAT. WE REALLY WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT TO COMMUNITIES TO BUSINESSES THERE THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE. AND WE REALLY NEED THEM TO PROVE THEIR DISSIPATION WHEN SCOTT'S GROUP IS ASKING FOR THEIR HELP. >> AND THIS GROUP GETS PAYDAY FLAT RATE, OR PERCENTAGE? >> YES, IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. AND WE IMPLEMENT THAT RISK, THERE'S NO CAUSE, BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL USING THE PROGRAM. BUT THERE IS A SMALL FEE IN THE CONTRACT THAT GETS APPLIED FOR EVERY VENDOR USING THE PACKAGE. >> SO WHEN SCOTT HAS A JOB FOR EXAMPLE, TO WORK THE GORDIAN GROUP WILL SOLICIT THOSE VENDORS TO PROVIDE BIDS FOR THAT JOB. THEN SCOTT HAS THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE IF HE'S OKAY WITH WHAT THAT OFFER IS TO DO THE WORK. SO HE SECURES THOSE OFFERS BEFORE ALL OF THOSE ONES THAT ARE IN HIS DOLLAR VALUE AND ANY THAT HE'LL BE ON, LIKE I SAID, WE COME BACK TO THAT. >> THIS IS A BIG CHANGE, OR DIFFERENT , UNNOTICEABLE DIFFERENT IN THE OTHER WAYS WE'VE OPERATED, RIGHT? >> IT'S VERY SIMILAR. AND WHAT I WOULD INVITE US TO DO IS MAYBE HAVE HE'LL COME AND VISIT WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE NUANCES OF HOW IT WORKS. BUT, I THINK THAT EACH COMMISSIONERS CAN FIND THIS VERY VALUABLE TO THEM. >> IT SOUNDS GREAT. SO I MOTION TO TABLE THIS SO WE CAN HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH [01:15:01] THEM, BECAUSE I THINK SOMETHING THIS SUBSTANTIAL REQUIRES TIME TO VISIT. MOTION TO TABLE. >> WHY DO WE NEED TO TABLE? >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE? >> I THINK THE COMMISSIONER WAS TO GET MORE DETAILED INFORMATION. I REALLY LIKE IT, BUT IT ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE COME -- KNOWING THAT THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, THEY SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO US AND GIVEN US AN UPDATE. I THINK THIS IS A LOT TO UNDERSTAND AT ONE TIME. NOW, IF Y'ALL TELL ME RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE SAME EXACT THING OR ANYONE ELSE. SPEAKERS ] FOR THIS TO THE PROJECT, THE PROCESS AND ARE REMOVED BEFORE THE COURT IN THIS LENDED US AT THIS POINT. THE COURT HAS ALREADY DONE PROJECTS WITH GORDIAN TO DO WORK AT THE COUNTY. THAT IS ON THE PART BUILDING IS BEING CONSTRUCTED. AT THE IBP PART . THERE WAS A JOB THAT WE ALSO GOT AT THE OBSERVATION DECK. >> THERE WAS A MOTION. CAN WE WITHDRAW IT? >> I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING HER LOCAL VENDORS INVOLVED, THAT'S GOOD TO TAKE SOME TIME. BUT IF YOU WOULD COME AND SIT WITH US, I THINK THIS WOULD WORK GREAT FOR US FOR OUR LOCAL VENDORS. AND WE REALLY NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT TO OUR LOCAL VENDORS THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE. THAT THIS CAN BE DONE. AND FOR THEM TO GAIN SOME MORE, AND DO SOME WORK IN OUR OWN AREA. I LIKE THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU ALL FOR THINKING ABOUT IT. >> GORDIAN ACTUALLY HELPS TO ALL THE LEGWORK. WE GIVE THEM ALL THE CONTACT AND WE DO ALL THE LEGWORK OR GETTING THEM BROUGHT INTO THE PROGRAM. >> I THINK IT CAN WORK UP TO $50,000, THEN AFTER THAT, THEY WANT TO KEEP ON BIDDING, THEY NEED TO BE IN COMPETITIVE BUILDING. YEAH, BUT IF YOU'RE TAKING A BIG PROJECT OF 50 OR 62, AND IT'S ALSO COME TO COURT AND GET YOUR APPROVAL BECAUSE OF PROCUREMENT POLICY PROCESS FOLLOWS. >> OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> I KNOW YOU'RE EXPLAINING IT AS A GOOD PROCESS, BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS. THAT'S THE LAW. >> LEGACY, JUST LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE OPENING THIS AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPETE. >> WELL WE KNOW COMMISSIONER CHESNEY WOULD LIKE THAT. WE ALL HAVE LOCAL CONTRACTORS WE COULD USE. WE ARE JUST TAKING SMALL BITES OF THE APPLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTRACTOR TYPES OUT THERE THAT BELIEVE IN THE SLOW NICKEL RATHER THAN A FAST NINE. >> YEAH, WE LIVE HERE, WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN. THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. HAVE A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THIS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED, BUT I ONE HALF QUESTIONS I WOULD MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT. >> JENNY, THIS IS A SOURCE WELL CONTRACT, RIGHT? I BELIEVE I REVIEWED THIS CONTRACT WAS FAVORABLE, IT'S FAVORABLE TO THE COUNTY, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE -- ? >> WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS CONTRACT ESCOTT MENTIONED, ALEX WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS CONTRACT, BOTH UNDERLINED THE AGREEMENTS AND IT'S GOOD TO GO. >> I ALWAYS LIKE TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD WHILE YOU ARE HERE. I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, BUT AS LONG AS A COUNTY ATTORNEY IS INDICATING THAT THIS IS A FEBRILE CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY ON LEGAL TERMS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE MOTION AT THIS POINT SINCE THE FOLLOW-UP >> EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER, WILMA CARSON. >> YES. >> HOW DOES A CONTRACTOR CONTACT YOU? DO THEY HAVE TO REGISTER WITH PURCHASING LIKE THEY USED TO? >> BILL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN WITH OTHER PROCESS SOURCE WITH THE VENDORS TO PARTICIPATE? >> SURE. ONCE GORDIAN IS UNDER CONTRACT, WE DO ASSIST THE COUNTY WITH CONTRACTOR OUTREACH LOCALLY, THERE WILL BE A PRE-BID MEETING, AND THE CONTRACTORS WILL ALL HAVE TO SUBMIT A RESPONSE TO GET AWARDED UNDER THE PROGRAM. ULTIMATELY, THE COUNTY MAKES THE AWARDS, AND WE WORK WITH YOUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT JUST TO KIND OF HELP WITH SOME OF THE CONTRACT AUGMENTATION AND PRE-SOLICITATION ACTIVITIES. ONCE THOSE CONTRACTORS ARE WORDED, THEIR CONTRACTS WILL ALSO HAVE LANGUAGE THAT ADHERES THEM TO YOUR PURCHASING POLICIES AND THRESHOLDS. SO THEY WILL GO THROUGH A COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS TO GET [01:20:04] AWARDED THROUGH THE PROGRAM. >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO PASS THIS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. >> THE FOUR OF US INTENDANTS, THE MOTION PASSES. >> THANK YOU BILL, THANK YOU ALYSSA. [4. Discuss and consider approval of a Dune Protection Permit for large scale construction of a single-family residence (DPP-202209-01) located at Lot 5, Mustang Island Estates, Corpus Christi TX.] [5. Discuss and consider approval of a Dune Protection Permit for large scale construction of a single-family residence (DPP-202209-02) located at 113 Backside Drive in Lot 11, Blk 3 of Island Park Estates, Corpus Christi TX.] >> THANK YOU ALL. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MOVING ONTO NUMBER FOUR DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A DUNE PROTECTION PERMIT FOR LARGE-SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE LOCATED AT LOT FIVE, BUSTING GUILE IN THE STATES. >> SO I'VE GOT THE CHAIR OF BMAC, CURRENT CHAIR, PASTURE, ONLINE CLIFF SLEIGH BOX. AND MEGHAN, I THINK YOU MAY BE ON, I CAN'T SAY. ANYHOW, THIS HAS BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE BEACH MANAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THE GL OH, AND THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS PERMITTED APPLICATION, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION IN THE INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR YOU ON THE PERMIT DID ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDED, IS THEY ARE RECOMMENDING USE OF PERMEABLE MATERIALS FOR NON-FOUNDATION SURFACES SUCH AS DRIVEWAYS, REDUCE SURFACE WATER RUNOFF, ROSHAN, STORM WATER DRAINAGE VALUE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BMAC FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT RECOMMENDING PERMITS. ANY OF Y'ALL WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ISLAND, AND MANY OF YOU ARE NOT IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE EXTENSIVE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON THE ISLAND. YOUR GROUNDWATER TABLE IS USUALLY 2 1/2 TO 3 FEET BELOW SURFACE. YOU GET THE RAINS LIKE WE HAD IN 2016, 2015, USUALLY THE GROUND WATERS AT THE SERVICE. ALL THE THINGS WE CAN DO THAT ACROSS EFFECT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS AND THE CONTRACTORS, THAT WILL HELP IMPROVE OUR DRAINAGE OUT THERE TO PREVENT EROSION AND FLOODING IS A GOOD THING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. AS FAR AS A RECOMMENDATION MOVING INTO THE FUTURE. PRETTY SOON, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT NOWHERE TO RUNOFF WATER UNTIL IT GOES TO ITS LOWEST POINT. UNFORTUNATELY, AND FORTUNATELY IN SOME WAYS, A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPLY AND FILL IN THOSE WEAPONS AND MITIGATE SOMEONE ELSE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT NO PLACE TO MITIGATE. ALL THOSE NATURAL SWELLS BECOME YOUR DRAINAGE RELIEF LIKE STORM WATER RETENTION PONDS IN THE PARK. SO THIS GOES WITH THE NEW PARKING LOT THAT WE GOT FATHERED IN AND WE WILL BE BRINGING TO YOU ON THE EIGHTH. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PERMIT THAT CAME FROM COMMISSIONER, JUDGE CONNIE SCOTT TO YOU. >> I'VE GOT TO ASK BECAUSE I'VE GOT CALLS ON THIS, FROM THE RESIDENCE OF THE BUILDERS AND THEY ARE PUSHING BACK ON THE STUFF, AND I OWE THE BMAC MEETING . I SAID I WOULD TRY TO FACILITATE THAT WITH THE NEW COUNTY JUDGE. WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT SITUATED, BECAUSE -- AND TO INCLUDE THE CITY, AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO WHAT'S HIS PERMIT AGREED TO BY A DEVELOPER? OR WAS THE DEVELOPER PROPOSING THIS PERMIT IN THE BMAC ANYWAY? >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT CRITICALLY. I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. >> LIZ, MEGHAN, YOU NEED TO CHIME IN THERE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT IN THE NOTES. >> I'M WILLING TO ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE CONSIDERED A NUMBER OF PROTECTIONS AND APPLICATIONS. WE HAVE MORE OR LESS STARTED RECOMMENDING IMPERVIOUS SERVICES OUT THERE, AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AS FAR AS PREDICTING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BEST THING THAT WE HAVE ALONG THE TEXAS COAST. WE HAVE MADE ONLY AT THIS POINT, RIGHT, MEG AND ONLY DONE RECOMMENDATIONS? >> SO THIS AT THIS POINT. AND BRINGING IT TO THE MEETING YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT, SO WE CAN WORK OUT SOME ISSUES. I'D INC. THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THIS ISSUE. THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE IN OTHER AREAS, AS MUCH AS IT SEEMS TO BE HERE. BUT SOME AREAS, HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE AND IN PLACE IN THIS PROGRAM, WITH THIS ISSUE IN PORT [01:25:05] ARANSAS, BOSTON, SO DANTONIO, FUSON, FORT WORTH, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM THAT ARE IN ON THIS PROGRAM. >> I THINK THAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS RUNNING BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, HERE. WE NEED TO EDUCATE OURSELVES, AND EDUCATE THE DEVELOPERS . WE NEED TO EDUCATE EVERYONE INVOLVED SO WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. HOWARD SUBMITTED THE VERY BEST SIMPLE SYSTEMS FROM THE WHOLE TEXAS COAST AND OTHER AREAS WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE COMPLEX THAT WE HAVE THAT PROTECTS OUR MAINLAND FROM STORM SURGES AND THE LIKE. SO, YES, I SEE THIS IS AS IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US. WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND SET UP A MEETING SO THAT WE CAN ALL GET EDUCATED ON THIS. >> AND CLIFF, I HAVE TO ASK, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID WAS THESE WORLDLY RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT THE WAY I AM READING THIS, THEY ARE CONDITIONS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. IS IN THIS PERMIT THAT I'M READING, THE BMAC MAJORITY VOTED TO RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, SO NOT RECOMMENDATIONS. SO MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN CLEAR THAT UP. >> SO HELP ME OUT. SOMEBODY , TO ME MAYBE THAT'S NOT -- AND THERE'S THE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOVE ABOUT YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STUFF, SO I'M NOT SAYING YOU ALL ARE WRONG, BUT I'M READING THIS AS CONDITIONS. IF I'M READING IT WRONG, I NEED TO BE CORRECTED, AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE. I DON'T NORMALLY SEE THESE LIKE FOUR-TO VOTE EITHER. IT'S USUALLY PRETTY INANIMATE SPEARS OF THERE MUST BE SOME DISAGREEMENT ON THE COMMISSION, AS WELL. ANYBODY WANT TO TALK TO SOMEBODY, CLIFF, HOWEVER, WANT TO TALK TO THIS. >> I CAN SPEAK TO THIS, IF YOU'D LIKE. >> THERE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND BMAC. ONCE THEY GO TO GLO , THEY WERE REVIEWED, AND THEY MAKE THE CONDITIONS FROM THE APPLICATIONS. WHEN THEY PROVIDE THE CONDITIONS, THEY AGREE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT IS WHEN THEY BECOME A PERMANENT CONDITION ACCORDING TO THE GLO. THERE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON OUR END. AND THEY GO AS SUCH. THE GOO COMES BACK, AND THEY ARE LETTERED, AND STATES THAT THEY ARE CONDITIONS OF THE PERMIT. >> ] I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS -- LET ME ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN. DID THE DEVELOPER SUPPORT THIS OR DID THEY OPPOSE THIS? THE DEVELOPER DID NOT RESPOND FOR THE LONGEST TIME. AND THEN THEY DECIDED TO TRY TO PUSH IT THROUGH WITHOUT THE USE OF PERMEABLE MATERIALS. AND SO THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW. THAT IS WHY IT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. IS BECAUSE THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT ON THE METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION. >> IT ALWAYS COMES TO US ANYWAY. WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE BMA C PERMITS TOO. THEY READILY COME TO US. WE NORMALLY JUST APPROVED THEM AND PASSED DOWN THE ROAD. I HAVE BEEN VOTING ON BMAC PERMITS FOR A LONG TIME. >> THE NO PERMIT REQUIRED DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO COURT. LEGAL HAS WEIGHED IN ON THAT. HAVE TO COME TO US -- BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN VOTING ON THESE FOR A LONG TIME. WHY DOES THIS ONE HAVE TO COME TO US? >> BECAUSE IT IS A FULL-SCALE PERMIT. YOU EITHER HAVE A FULL-SCALE PERMIT APPLICATION OR YOU HAVE WHAT IS CALLED AN EXEMPT PERMIT. AN EXEMPT PERMIT COMES INTO PLAY WHEN YOU HAVE A PLOTTED DEVELOPED AREA. LET'S SAY IT WAS BACK IN 2014. SOME WORK BY GREG SMITH IN THE COMMITTEE BACK THEN. THEY LOOKED AT ALL THESE PLOTTED THE VELVETS THAT WERE OUT THERE IN 2014 WHEN THEY WENT FROM 200 TO 350. THEY ADOPTED THE NEW 350 SETBACK. WELL, THAT IMPACTED A LOT OF PLOTTED DEVELOPMENTS OUT THERE. THE EASTERNMOST LOTS THAT WERE PURCHASED AND MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATED BUILDING LOT AT THE TIME, BMAC CAME BACK AT THE TIME IT SAID , OKAY, ALL THE SLOTS OUTSIDE 350 GOING WEST 3000 FOOT SETBACK LINE, THOSE DOWN THERE THEY ARE JUST PLAIN LOTS. THEY ARE LOTS TO DEVELOP INFRASTRUCTURES IN. THOSE WILL NOT NEED A PERMIT. THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH [01:30:03] THE PROCESS. THOSE LOTS THAT ARE NOW AT THE VERY END , HURRICANE HANNAH COMES , LINE OF AGITATION MOVES ARE NOW PART OF THAT LOT IS IN THE 350. ACCORDING TO THE RULES, YOU CAN'T BUILD IN THE 350. IF YOU DO YOU ARE REQUIRED BY THE PLAN TO USE PERMEABLE SURFACES. SO THEN YOU HAVE TO GO AND YOU HAVE TO ISSUE AN EXEMPTION INSIDE THE 33 THE. IF NOT, YOU'RE BASICALLY -- BUT ANYTHING INSIDE THE 200 FROM THE LINE OF MEDITATION AT 200 HAS TO BE DEEMED RECREATIONAL IN NATURE. IT CAN'T BE A STRUCTURE. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT LINE OF VEGETATION CHANGES. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FULL-SCALE SMALL-SCALE OR LARGE-SCALE DO PERMIT AND EXEMPTION AND NO DO PERMIT REQUIRED BUT IT STILL GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> THIS IS TOTALLY NORMAL . THIS ISN'T BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS PUSHING SOMETHING. WE WOULD ALWAYS GET THIS. >> EXACTLY. >> LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT. WE DON'T NEED DEVELOPERS OBJECTING OR WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE WAS. I HAVE BEEN VOTING ON THESE FOR YEARS AND THAT DIDN'T SIT RIGHT. TOMMY WHAT THE CITY HAS PUSHBACK ON THIS IS. THIS IS GOING TO PROMPT ME TO HAVE THIS MEETING. I OWE THEM A MEETING. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT HAS COME. I AM GOING TO GET THAT DONE. I HAVE GOT TO GET WITH THE JUDGES SCHEDULE AND DO THIS. I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITIES PERSPECTIVE IS ON IT. I AM REALLY GETTING A LOT OF THIS ON NOW THAT I WANT TO DO DURING THAT MEETING. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS YET EITHER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE THAT MEETING. THAT IS ON ME. TELL ME WHAT THE CITIES PUSHBACK IS. IN YOUR IMPRESSION. >> THE CITY IS IN SUPPORT OF IT. WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT YOU HAVE JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE -- AND IT GETS CONFUSING AMONGST OUR TWO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND CITY AND COUNTY SOMETIMES AND PEOPLE AT LARGE -- YOU HAVE GOT THE ORIGINAL BEACH MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WAS DONE BY THE COUNTY YEARS AND YEARS AGO. THE COUNTY HAS PERMIT AUTHORITY UNDER THE DUNE PROTECTION ACT. IT IS A COUNTY THAT HAS THE OVERALL JURISDICTION WHEN IT COMES TO THE BEACH MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE BEACHES OF NUECES COUNTY. LATER ON WHEN 2011 AND 2012 AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE GLO AND SAID, OKAY, ALL YOU JURISDICTIONS UP AND DOWN THE COAST WITH EXCEPTION OF NUECES COUNTY , NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY BY THE RULES AND SETBACK. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED IN IKE. THAT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED DOWN IN CAMERON COUNTY. THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WE WANT ALL THESE JURISDICTIONS TO HAVE ANY URGENT RESPONSE PLAN. SAME AS OUR BEACH MANAGEMENT PLAN. BUT WE ARE GOING TO TIE A CAVEAT ONTO IT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ROSHAN RESPONSE PLAN, YOU CAN'T GET KEPPRA FUNDING. TO RE-NOURISH YOUR BEACHES. NUECES COUNTY HAS NEVER BEEN AN ENGINEERED BEACH UNTIL HANNAH. THAT IS WHEN GREG SMITH , JENNIFER SMITH INGALLS, FRED MCCUTCHEON'S WHO WAS ON BMAC AT THE TIME MYSELF WE WORK WITH BOB PAYNE OVER THE CITY. WE STARTED DOING THIS JOINT EROSION RESPONSE PLAN. SO YOU HAVE A BEACH MANAGEMENT PLAN BUT THEN YOU HAVE THIS JOINT EROSION RESPONSE PLAN THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WITH TELL YOU IS JUST A SUPPLEMENT TO THE BEACH MANAGEMENT PLAN. THAT IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING. AND COMMISSIONER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THIS MEETING THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT, WE DESPERATELY NEED TO UPDATE THAT EACH MANAGEMENT PLAN. I AM GOING TO GET GRANT MONEY AND DO IT SO IT IS AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY. >> LET ME ASK YOU. IT WAS COUNCILMAN SMITH THAT REACHED OUT AND HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. HE IS NOT A COUNCILMAN ANYMORE. THEY VOTED TO SIGN OFF ON THIS. I AM AGAIN CURIOUS BECAUSE IT WAS COUNCILMAN SMITH THAT REACHED UP TO ME AND SAID, HEY, THERE ARE SOME THINGS GOING ON AT BMAC. I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM THE COUNCILMEMBERS. WHAT IS GOING ON? MY BAD. I JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO SET IT UP. I DIDN'T KNOW THESE WERE COMING UNTIL THEY CAME. >> MAKING, YOU SPEND MORE TIME TALKING WITH THE STAFFERS OVER THERE AT THE CITY. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE CITY THAT THEY ARE BUYING INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THEIR LEVEL. A COUPLE OF THE CITY FOLKS HAVE ATTENDED BMAC MEETINGS IN THE PAST. BUT I HAVE NEVER HEARD THEM SAY THAT THEY ARE BUYING INTO WHAT WE ARE DOING. >> THEY SUPPORT AT THE PERMITTING AND PLANNING LEVEL WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING. THEY THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY PLAN TO CONSIDER THE SAME ACTIONS OR NOT. >> OKAY. TIMMY WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE ALL [01:35:02] THE COURTS TIME ON THIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY DOWNSIDE IF WE TABLE THIS ONE AND GET THAT MEETING SET FOR THIS ONE OR THE NEXT ONE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. I'M JUST TELLING YOU COUNCILMAN SMITH AS YOU REACHED OUT AND SAID THEY GOT PROBLEMS WITH IT. I'M ASSUMING WAS CALLING THE COUNCILMAN. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. THERE IS A NEW ONE. I GOT TO GET WITH THEM. I IMMEDIATELY RESTART THE CLIFF . AGAIN, MY BAD. I HADN'T HAD TIME TO GET THIS MEETING SET. IS THERE ANY HARM FOR THESE TWO PERMITS? >> YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SO THAT YOU DON'T HOLD UP BECAUSE THAT IS THE BIG THING. LET ME SAY THAT SOME OF THE CALLS YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING HAVE NOT BEEN ANY FAULT OF THE CITY OR THE COUNTY OR THE PROCESS. THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE THAT AREN'T LISTENING TO WHAT WE ARE GUIDING THEM TO DO. >> NO. IT IS JUST QUESTIONS. WE DON'T KNOW WHY. WHAT I AM THINKING HERE IS IF YOU ALL WOULD APPROVE THESE AND I KNOW, CLIFF, CHIME IN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS, BUT IT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO KEEP US MOVING FORWARD INTO WE HAVE THIS MEETING. IF YOU ALL WANTED TO APPROVE THESE ON THE FACT THAT IT IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION AND IT IS THE CONTRACTOR OR THE HOMEOWNER THAT MAKES AN END THE DISCUSSION, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DOES ANYTHING WITH THE CONDITION OF THE GLO APPROVED PERMIT. WE CAN CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO LOOK AT THIS BEING MORE OF A STANDARD PRACTICE AFTER WE HAVE A MEETING. AT LEAST IT DOESN'T HOLD THE DEVELOPER UP. >> CAN I SPEAK UP? I'M SORRY. >> NORMALLY THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS REACHED OVER THE CONCERNS. I AM IN A BAD SPOT HERE BECAUSE WE GOT ON THE AGENDA BEFORE WE HAD THE MEETING. I HAVE HAD DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT WITH CONCERN. I HAVE THE CITY REACH OUT IN CONCERN. I CALLED THE CHAIRMAN AND SAID, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BUT I AM GETTING CALLS. I CAN, SHAME ON ME FOR NOT GETTING A MEETING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MAY TIMES I CAN SAY THAT. NORMALLY I WOULD SAY THAT IS OKAY. I DID GET REACHED OUT TO BY THE DEVELOPER ALSO THAT HAD CONCERNS. AGAIN, I DIDN'T COMMIT TO ANYTHING. IDA SAID, OKAY, LET ME TRY TO GET SOMETHING GOING ON THIS. >> MEGAN, WHAT IS YOUR INPUT THERE? I AM IN SUPPORT OF TABLING THE APPLICATIONS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION FLYING AROUND. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH EVERYTHING. >> I AM TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT OF THAT. >> I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD ANYBODY UP ON THEIR PRICE POINTS, MATERIALS, COSTS. >> I GET IT. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE DEVELOPERS IN THE TIMELINE OF WHEN THESE THINGS AND WHO OUR COMMITTEE. WE WILL GET BACK TO THEM SO THEY KNOW WHEN TO START CONSTRUCTION. THAT IS A BIG ISSUE. RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO JUST GO AHEAD AND TABLE AND HAVE OUR MEETINGS SO WE CAN WORK THROUGH THESE ISSUES. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ISSUE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE. >> I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SET A SPECIAL MEETING. WE COULD TABLE IT TO THAT MEETING ONLY FOR THE STANDPOINT IF A DEVELOPER WANTS US JUST TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS ONE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE BIG PICTURE DISCUSSION LATER. WE COULD IT ON FOR WHENEVER YOU ARE GOING TO SET THIS. I THINK WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO THE SPECIAL MEETING OR SOMETHING SOMEONE SAID. THAT WAY IF THE DEVELOPER SAYS NO WE ARE READY TO GO, THEN WE CAN HAVE THE BIG PICTURE ISSUE LATER SO WE DON'T DELAY THE DEVELOPERS. MAYBE THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE? I DON'T KNOW. THE DEVELOPERS AREN'T HERE. >> THEY KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE HERE. THEY HAD EVERY CHANCE TO SHOW UP HERE TODAY. THE OTHER THING TOO JUST BEFORE YOU GO INTO THAT MEETING AND TO SUPPORT MEGAN AND CLIFF ON THIS, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS CONSIDERING PERMEABLE SURFACE. NOT PERMEABLE PAVERS. THE FIRST THING A DEVELOPER DOES IS HE GOES PERMEABLE PAVERS? THAT IS SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. ALSO WHEN WE HAVE THIS MEETING WE HAVE RAN THE NUMBERS ON CONSTRUCTION COSTS VERSUS CONCRETE, PERMEABLE SURFACE AND PERMEABLE PAVERS. SO WE CAN SHOW THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE ARE ASKING AND IT IS NOT THAT MUCH. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE SO WE WILL DISCUSS IT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT TOO. IN CASE THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEN WE'LL GET TOGETHER AND HAVE THE BIG ACTION MEETING FROM THAT STAMP. >> THAT IS ON ITEM FOUR AND FIVE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE -- YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SET IT FOR THE MONDAY MEETING ? THE SPECIAL MEETING IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A? >> IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO GO FORWARD IT WOULD BE A QUICK MOTION TO PASS AND THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE AN AGENDA. GET RIGHT. SORRY. IT'S MY FAULT. [01:40:11] >> MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL MONDAY? >> YES. >> HAVE TIME TO GET IT CLEARED UP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. >> IS THAT WHEN WE ARE SETTING IT? >> IF WE SET ONE FOR MONDAY. OTHERWISE IT WILL BE ON FEBRUARY 8TH. THE FIRST AVAILABLE MEETING. I GUESS LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO SAY. FOUR AND FIVE. >> FOR FOUR AND FIVE. I WILL SECOND THAT. I THINK YOU HAVE A MOTION. I SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED ? MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON. THANK YOU. [6. Receive briefing from Nueces County Office of Emergency Management on 2022 Winter Storm Elliott.] >> SCOTT, IF YOU'LL TALK TO THE DEVELOPER. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. >> I WILL. >> MOVING ONTO ITEM SIX. RECEIVE A BRIEFING FROM THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ON WINTER STORM ELLIOTT. GOOD TO SEE YOU THERE. BEEN PLANNING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH YOU AS WELL. IT IS ON MY LIST. >> YES MA'AM. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE EXTREMELY BUSY RIGHT NOW. ALL THE PATIENTS IN THE WORLD. OKAY GOOD. ARE YOU READY TO UPDATE US? >> I AM. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? SO BASICALLY HERE'S THE OVERVIEW OF THIS REASONING. I THINK THIS IS ABOUT 9 TO 10 SLIDES. WE WILL TRY TO BE AS DEEP AS POSSIBLE. OUR CONSIDERATION IN THE RAMP-UP WE HAVE AN OPERATION THAT WILL BE TAUGHT THROUGH HERRERA. DEMOBILIZATION HIGHLIGHTS LESSONS LEARNED AND RECOMMENDATIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE PUT THIS FLIGHT AND SO YOU GUYS COULD SEE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IN OUR PROCESSES THE WEEK PRIOR OR THE WEEK OF WINTER STORM ELLIOTT HITTING. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT WINTER STORM ELLIOTT WAS APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 40 DEBTS THAT OCCURRED IN THE WINTER STORM MOSTLY OF NORTH. . THE ISSUE DOWN SOUTH HERE IN THE COASTAL AREA IS THE WEEK PRIOR WE HAD TEMPERATURES AROUND 70 DEGREES. AND THEN WE HAD A QUICK DROP OFF OF TEMPERATURE WAS. IF YOU SEE IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDE IS THAT DROP-OFF HAPPEN VERY RAPIDLY. WE HAVE ALWAYS CONSIDERED A HARD FREEZE. A HARD FREEZE IN THE TEMPERATURE BELOW THREE AND 418 HOURS CONSECUTIVELY. HOW HE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IS WE CAME UP WITH IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN BEST SERVE CITIZENS OF NUECES COUNTY. WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NEED A WARMING CENTER. WE STRESS WARMING CENTER AND START SHELTERS. -- WILL COME WITH ANOTHER SET OF CRITERIA THAT WE WILL HAVE TO THINK OF YOUR BUTT A WARMING CENTER WE CAN OPEN UP AND HAVE PEOPLE COME IN THAT REALLY NEED IT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN OF TEMPERATURES OVER THAT TIMEFRAME. THE DIFFERENT COLORS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE SHOW LOW TEMPERATURES. LEFT-HAND SIDE. THE HIGHS. DURING THAT WEEK WE HAD HIGHS AROUND 30 DEGREES TO 40 DEGREES. BUT WE ALSO HAD LOWS WITH WINDSHIELDS IN THE LIBERTINES AND LOWER SINGLE DIGITS. IT STARTED ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND IT CONTINUED ALL THE WAY THROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WHAT WAS PREACHED TO US BY NOAH AND THE NATIONAL WINTER SO THERE IS MORE IMPORTANT DAYS OR GOING TO BE ON SUNDAY MORNING AND MONDAY MORNING. BUT THAT IN TURN OUT TO BE THE EXACT TRUTH BECAUSE WEATHER DOES WHAT HE DOES. WE FOUND OUT THAT SATURDAY NIGHT WAS THE BIG IMPACTOR THAT IS THE COLDEST TIME THAT WE HAD. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE SAT DOWN AS A GROUP. WE SET UP A CONFERENCE CALL WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO TALK ABOUT THE FREEZING TEMPERATURES THAT WAS COMING UP. THEIR PROCESSES AND PLANS ON PREPARING THEMSELVES. THE COUNTY AS AN ENTITY FOR THE WINTER STORM THAT WAS COMING UP. WE TALKED TO EACH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT [01:45:01] HEADS. THEY HAD PLANS IN PLACE. THEY WERE READY TO GO. AND THEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FOR US BY USING THE ICS. THE INSTANT COMMAND STRUCTURE. AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO BRING IN HERRERA WHO IS IN CHARGE OF OUR OPERATIONS. HE WILL TALK ABOUT THE SETUP OF R& B FOR THE WARMING CENTER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M SURPRISED IT IS STILL MORNING. THANK YOU. FOR THIS TIME. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DO -- THIS IS MOSTLY PARTS AND COMMUNITY SERVICES -- WHAT WE GENERALLY DO IS WE START SETTING UP. LOUIS SAID WE HAD A CONFERENCE CALL. WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE WEATHER. THIS IS A WEEK PRIOR SO WE KNOW IT IS COMING UP. WE BEGAN OUR PROCESSES WOULD ARISE IN GETTING EVERYTHING READY. IN THE CASE OF THE WARMING SHELTER, THE PROCESS ACTUALLY CAME THAT MONEY. WE KNOW IT IS GOING TO GET COLD. DON'T KNOW HOW COLD IT IS GOING TO GET WE START MAKING PLANS. THAT MONDAY WE BEGIN PLANNING. OUR BIGGEST ISSUE IS PERSONNEL. SO WE KNOW THAT WERE GOING TO RUN A 24 HOUR OPERATION AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED ETHICAL PERSONNEL. WE REACHED OUT TO THE RED CROSS. ONE OF THE ISSUES IS CAN WE GET THE RED CROSS? SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE A CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. WE WERE PLANNING OUR ORIGINAL PLAN IS WE STAY WITH OUR PERSONNEL. WE HAD ALL OF OUR PERSONAL PLANS. THIS IS MOSTLY COMMUNITY SERVICES PERSONNEL AND PARKS PERSONNEL THAT ARE GOING TO BE HOUSED THROUGH THIS EVENT. BEFORE WE START MOVING OUR SUPPLIES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS THE END RESULT. OF OUR OPERATIONS. WHAT YOU DON'T SEE YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT LATER ON IS WE HAVE HAD A ROOM WHERE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR MATERIALS STORED. WE HAVE SNACKS, WITH COLORING BOOKS, WE HAVE HEATER MEALS , WE HAVE WATER, WE HAVE ALL THESE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE? WHAT WE GENERALLY DO IS WE WILL SEGREGATE OUR POPULATION. WHAT I DID IN CHILE THERE IS WE HAVE COUPLES, WE HAVE SINGLE WOMEN, SINGLE MEN, AND GENERALLY WE WILL HAVE AN AREA FOR -- WE ARE ANTICIPATING IS POPULATION. THEY ARE REGULAR PEOPLE THAT HAVE HOMES. IT IS JUST THEIR HOMES DO NOT HAVE THE CORRECT HEATING. VERSUS PEOPLE THAT WE GET BECAUSE THEY ARE STREET PEOPLE. NOT SAYING THEY ARE BETTER ANYTHING IS WRONG WITH THEM. IT IS JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CLIENTELE. DIFFERENT WAYS TO HANDLE THEM. SO WE MEET WITH OUR PARTNERS. OUR PARTNERS IN THE AREA ARE EMS OR THE EMS SERVICE THERE. WE RELY HEAVILY ON THEIR SERVICES FOR THEIR TO CHECK OUT PARTICIPANTS. SO, LOUIS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LOUIS AND THEY HAVE COME UP WITH A NEW CHECKING SYSTEM THAT WE INITIALIZED. USUALLY IT IS PAPER AND PENCIL BUT EVERYBODY GENERALLY HAS A PHONE OR SOMETHING. WE COME UP WITH A SYSTEM TO WHERE WE CANNOT BETTER TRACK OUR POPULATION. AS FAR AS WHERE THEY COME IN AND TRACK THEM IN THE SYSTEM. SO ONCE WE HAVE GOT EVERYTHING SET UP, WE BEGIN THAT THURSDAY . JUDGE, YOU GET THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE MAKING THE CALL. WE'RE GOING TO BE OPENING UP THE WARMING CENTERS AT THE CLOCK ON THURSDAY. IN THIS CASE, THAT WAS A WHOLE DAY. EVERYTHING IS READY. WE HAVE OUR PERSONNEL HERE. WE PULL THE TRIGGER AT 6:00 TO COME IN AT 6:00. WE HAVE PEOPLE ARRIVING PROBABLY 5:00 TO 6:00-ISH. AT THE END OF THE DAYS BECAUSE WE DEMOTE ON CHRISTMAS DAY ABOUT 10:00, WE HAD ABOUT TO DO. OF TIME ABOUT 30 DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS PLUS VOLUNTEERS. SO THERE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SERVICE. AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL VOLUNTEERS FOR MY STAFF AND SOME RED CROSS PERSONNEL. >> DON'T THE RTA BUSES DELIVER PEOPLE DURING THAT TIME AS WELL? >> YES. THAT IS PART OF THE PROGRAM. DURING THAT TIME WE DIRECTED THEM FIRST , IF THEY ARE COMING OUT OF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, THEN HE DID TAKE THEM TO THE SALVATION ARMY. THEY HAVE 120 BEDS. WE WANTED TO FILL THAT UP FIRST. AND THAT ANYBODY THAT REQUESTED TO GO TO A WARMING CENTER WAS GIVEN PERMISSION OR THEY ROOT FOR FREE. ONCE CORPUS CHRISTI FILLED UP THEN WE STARTED RECEIVING THEM OVER THERE. WE ALSO RECEIVED SOME BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM ON A SIMILAR OPERATION. MAYBE ABOUT A WEEK. A LOT OF THE PERSONNEL THAT PEOPLE KNEW WHERE WE WERE AT AND THEY NEED TO GET ON THE BUS AND THEY KNEW DIRECTLY TO SAY I WANT TO GO [01:50:01] TO ROB STONE FAIRGROUNDS. THAT IS ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS THAT WE TOOK WAS CONTINUE ON WITH THE ONE LOCATION BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IS THE LOCATION TO GO. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY ADVERTISING, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY THING TO ANYBODY BECAUSE THEY WILL KNOW THAT ONCE IT GETS TO A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO ROB STONE FAIRGROUNDS. THAT IS PART OF THE OPERATIONS. IN THIS CASE WE ENDED UP USING THE BALLROOMS BECAUSE THE EXHIBIT HALL WAS ALREADY BEEN SENT OUT. WE HELPED JASON SET UP THE STOCK SHOW. USUALLY THAT IS WHERE OUR LOCATION IS A LOT CLOSER TO THE SHOWERS AND IT IS SCALABLE. THE WHOLE OPERATION IS SCALABLE. LIKE I SAID, WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE THE RED CROSS PERSONNEL. WE END UP WITH ABOUT THREE OTHER PERSONNEL. WE MANAGED TO SHIFT OUR SCHEDULES AROUND SO MAYBE WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME OFF WITH OUR FAMILIES. AS WE ARE TRYING TO ROTATE PERSONAL. DURING THE OPERATION. WE RENDER. WE HAVE MEDICAL EMERGENCIES. NOT THAT THEY WERE -- HOW WOULD I PUT IT? THEY WEREN'T DUE TO SLIP AND FALL THERE ANYTHING. IT WAS A MEDICAL. CONDITION. PRECONDITION THAT THEY HAD. WE NEED TO ADDRESS. THEY CAME BACK . EVERYTHING WAS FINE. WE ENDED UP HAVING TO MOBILIZE. SO, THE OPERATION RAN SMOOTHLY AS I SAID THROUGH THAT SUNDAY AT ABOUT 10:00. WE TRANSPORTED ALL PERSONAL TO THE SALVATION ARMY. BY THE TIME AS LOUIS SAID WE WERE ANTICIPATING COLDER TEMPERATURES FOR SUNDAY INTO MONDAY. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. LOUIS? >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO BRING TO THE COURT IS THE OVERALL COST FOR THE WARMING CENTERS FOR THIS. YOU WILL SEE THE TOTAL DONATED COSTS. YOU WILL SEE THE COST TO THE COUNTY. THE TOTAL COST ALTOGETHER WAS $2142.51. AND THE AMOUNT DONATED WAS $952.51. AND IN THE IN COST WAS $1240 TO THE COUNTY. SO, HOW DO WE PAY FOR THAT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DID FOR US JUDGE AND COMMERCIAL SCORE, YOU GUYS SET ASIDE HUNTING FOR THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SESSION ABOUT $25,000 FOR THIS TYPE OF EMERGENCY. FOR WARMING CENTER. AND MASS CARE. AS WE GET MORE AND INTO TALKING ABOUT MASS CARE , THEY FOLLOW UP ON THE CERTAIN THING CALLED EMERGENCY SUPPORT FUNCTION. IN OUR EMERGENCY OPERATION PLAN, WE TALK ABOUT MASS CARE AS AN ESF EIGHT. WE SET ASIDE SOME MONEY FOR THIS. WE DO HAVE THE FUNDING TO KIND OF COVER WHAT WE NEED TO PAY FOR FOR THIS WARMING CENTER. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE A FEW PEOPLE WHO HELPED US OUT IN THIS WARMING CENTER. IT WAS A VERY QUICK OPERATION. WE ASKED HER THINGS LIKE TWO DAYS ARE AND THEY CAME THROUGH LIKE THE NEXT DAY. THAT IS THE FOOD BANK FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE. MOTHER THERESA SHELTER. THE RED CROSS. AND EMERGENCY SERVICES BOTH IN RODS TOWN . WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI FOR THEIR EFFORTS. AND THEN THE TEAM OUT IN R&B FOR THEIR EFFORT. THEY WERE TREMENDOUS . THE PARKS TEAM WAS ALSO TREMENDOUS. THEY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. AND I THANK THEM FOR THAT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SOME OF THE LESSONS LEARNED. SO, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, JUDGE, IS DEVELOPING A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION OR VOLUNTEERED THE CORE THAT CAN KIND OF HELP US WHEN WE HAVE SHORT SNAPS LIKE THIS. WE NEED PEOPLE TO SHOW UP ESPECIALLY AROUND HOLIDAY TIME. AND HELEN DEDICATED TO US. WE ALSO WANTED THEM TO TALK ABOUT THE INSTALLATION OF PIPES DOWN IN R&B. I WILL LET EDWARD TAKE [01:55:02] OVER. >> SO, AS WE SAID, EACH OPERATION IS INDIVIDUAL AND EACH OPERATION HAS ITS OWN FLAWS AND DETERMINATIONS ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT THE COMMON KNOWLEDGE OF USE WATER IS NOT GOING TO FREEZE ON YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRAINING THE PERSONNEL OVER THERE IS THAT YOU DO NOT CUT OFF BOTH SIDES. IN THIS SCENARIO WE ARE SEEING THEIR IS WE GOT FOUR OF THOSE FROZEN BACKFLOW VENDORS. WERE IT THAT METAL PIPING. COMMISSIONER, THAT WAS THE REASONING THAT WE HAD TO SHUT OFF THE WATER THE REST OF HIS BACKFLOW PREVENTER'S HAD COME IN. WE HAVE PLANS TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE HAVE PLANS TO DO WITH ELECTRICAL OUTPUTS. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LOU IS GOING TO COME TO YOU IN THE FUTURE IS WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE SITTING IN THESE BUILDINGS AND THE FAILURE POINT IS WE DON'T HAVE REDUNDANT ELECTRICAL SOURCES. I AM ONE OF THE TYPES THAT I'D LIKE TO BUY A GENERATOR AND HAVE IT SITTING THERE BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE GOT TO MAINTAIN IT. YOU HAVE GOT THE TREND ON EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. I AM MORE OF THE BRING IT IN WHEN WE'RE GOING TO ABOUT THE NEEDED AT A WEEKS NOTICE. COULD HAVE BROUGHT IT IN. IT UP. NOT USED TO. WE DIDN'T NEED TO USE IT AND HAVE IT THERE IN CASE THE POWER WENT DOWN. THAT IS ANOTHER FOUR POINT WE ARE LOOKING AT. SO, WE ADDRESS THIS. WE HAD ALL THESE UNITS REPAIRED. NOW WE ARE INSULATING ALL THOSE BACKFLOW PREVENTERS. THE REST OF THE PIPES IN THE FACILITY CAME OUT FINE. IT IS JUST A BACKFLOW PREVENTER WHICH YOU LOOK AT THE METAL THING. IT IS NOT GOING TO FREEZE THE HARDWARE IT IS GOING TO BREAK. BUT SURE ENOUGH THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. >> THAT IS NOT STANDARD PRACTICE IN THE WINTERTIME TO INSULATE PIPES JUST IN CASE FOR EMERGENCIES OR ANYTHING? >> IN THE SCENARIO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IS SHUT THE BACKFLOW PREVENTERS OFF. LEFT THE SIDE TO THE FAIRGROUNDS ON, DRAINED IT THE PIPE AND THEN LET IT GO. THAT IS THE SOLUTION THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE BUSHES. >> YOU LEARN FROM MISTAKES. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS. THE TRAINING AS LOUIS SAID WE ARE GOING TO DO SOME ETN TRAINING THAT HE SET UP FOR THIS NEXT GO AROUND. THIS IS GOING TO BE HURRICANE. WE ARE INVITING THE WHOLE COMMISSIONERS COURT TO COME OUT ON MONDAY I THINK WE HAVE A WORKSHOP MONDAY. THAT IS WHERE ALL OF OUR STAFFING OR AS MUCH STAFFING AS WE HAVE. ALL MY PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH TRAINED IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. IN THIS CASE WERE GOING TO TRAIN IN EVACUATION. THEN WE CAN TRACK PEOPLE AS THEY ARE HEADED TO SAN ANTONIO. WE HAVE GOT ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. AS LOUIS SAID, ANOTHER TAKE AWAY HERE IS THAT WE NEED TO INVOLVE ALL OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO AN EXTENT. TO WHERE THE COUNTY DECIDED WE ARE GOING TO SEND YOU HOME, PARKS DOESN'T GO HOME, MY COMMUNITY SERVICE PEOPLE DON'T GO HOME. WE GO TO WORK. IF WE ARE SENDING YOU HOME , ONE OF DALES PEOPLE COULD AS EASILY SIT IN FRONT OVER THERE AND DO A 12 HOUR SHIFT IS OUR OPERATIONAL. FOR THIS OPERATION WAS 12 HOURS. DO A 12 HOUR SHIFT TAKING PEOPLE IN. WE WILL TRAIN YOU. BUT WE JUST NEED THE BODIES IN THE PERSONAL TO COME IN AND DO THE WORK. THOSE WERE TAKEAWAYS, JUDGE. >> EDWARD, I HAVE A QUESTION. THE EMPLOYEE THAT WORKED DURING THIS HOLIDAY TIME , THEY ARE GETTING COMPENSATED? >> THAT'S A PROBLEM. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO COMPENSATE THEM ON A DIFFERENT MANNER. THE PROBLEM, JUDGE, IS THIS. THE COUNTY, BECAUSE IT IS A HOLIDAY, WE HAVE ONE DAY OFF. SO EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY WORK IN 32 HOURS. ALL OF MY EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE THERE OR ARE GOING TO WORK 40 HOURS. OVERTIME DOES NOT START UNTIL AFTER THAT 30 HOURS IS REACHED. SO WHAT THE COMMISSIONER IS ALLUDING TO SHOW THE OVERTIME STARTED THE 32 HOUR POINT WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS BEING SENT HOME? >> IF IT IS A HOLIDAY THEY SHOULD GET HOLIDAY PAY, RIGHT? TIME AND A HALF? THEY SHOULD GET HOLIDAY PAY. IF ANY STAFF IS GOING TO BE AT WORK DURING A HOLIDAY , ESPECIALLY DURING THE BUSINESS HOLIDAY, THEY SHOULD BE COMPENSATED . I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY DO GET COMPENSATED. FOR BEING OUT THERE. >> YES SIR. THAT MAY BE A POLICY CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE. I THINK DALE CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT. >> I WAS LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER FROM DALE. >> WHETHER WE TALKED TO EDWARD ON THIS ISSUE. WE ARE WORKING ON THE POLICIES WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WERE PROBABLY BRINGING [02:00:01] SOMETHING TO COURT. DO SOME COMPENSATION FOR THIS. >> IN QUEUE, COMMISSIONER. >> NEXT SLIDE. >> SEMI-RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IF YOU ALREADY, STAFFING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. STAFFING. AS EDWARD ALLUDED TO EARLIER, STAFFING FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS , IT IS A QUICK EVENT. IT IS A TURNAROUND. HAVING IDENTIFIED SOME STAFF EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS MAY GO A LONG WAY TO SAYING, HEY, YOU ARE ON CALL IN CASE OF DAMAGE. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT GIVES PEOPLE THE TIMING OF THE PLAN. HOLIDAY OVERTIME PAY , I KNOW DALE IS WORKING WITH EDWARD ON THAT. I GOT ONE PERSON IN OUR OFFICE ON EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THAT WORKS AS WELL PARTICIPATING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THIS GOES BACK TO STAFFING. WE DID DO ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS CALL. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS WHEN WE DO THAT CALLED, TO FIND OUT IF WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT REALLY WANTS TO COME IN TO HELP OUT OR WHO WOULDN'T MIND COMING IN TO HELP OUT. THAT IS THE FAILURE . I WILL CORRECT IT IN MY NEXT BRIEFING SO WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION. AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE VOLUNTEERS AVAILABLE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM. WE WILL HAVE THEM TRAINED UP BY EDWARDS CREW AND THEY WILL GO OUT TO HELP AS WELL. THIS PARTICULAR EVENT SINCE IT HAPPENED ON A HOLIDAY, IT HAPPENED ON CHRISTMAS, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE HARD TO GET PEOPLE OUT TO HELP OUT. AND IT IS JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. >> HOW MANY PEOPLE USED IT? >> JUST ABOUT 30, COMMISSIONER. JUST ABOUT 30. I THINK THE TOTAL NUMBER WAS 28 PEOPLE THAT WE HAD. >> DIDN'T THE CITY HAVE WARMING CENTERS OPEN TOO? >> THEY DID. AND THEY UTILIZE SALVATION ARMY'S AS A WARM CENTER. THE USE IT AS A SHELTER. >> I WOULD HAVE TO RECOMMEND AND I WOULD HOPE GOING FOR NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW COUNTY JUDGE THAT CAN WORK WITH THE MAYOR. MAYBE WE HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT TOO. I DON'T SPEAK DUPLICATE EFFORTS OF THIS IT IS COVERING UP FOR THAT WE CAN COVER THAT MIGHT ALSO BE SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TOO. >> THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR BREAKDOWN FROM EDWARD. HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY FROM NUECES COUNTY? HOW MANY WERE FROM THE INNER CITY? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN, EDWARD? >> LIKE 10 OR 15. >> COMMISSIONER, I THINK YOU RECEIVED IT. I THOUGHT WE HAD SENT IT TO YOU AND I APOLOGIZE IF WE DIDN'T. ESSENTIALLY WE HAD LIKE ONE PERSON FROM CALIFORNIA, ONE PERSON FROM NEW YORK, TWO PEOPLE FROM ALICE BECAUSE THE POLICE SHOT HIM OFF. I THINK TWO PEOPLE FROM -- WE HAD SOME PEOPLE FROM BISHOP. WE HAD A TIMEFRAME BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WE ARE NOT TELLING YOU YOU HAVE GOT TO STAY. YOU COME IN , YOU FLOW IN, YOU FILL OUT. MAYBE A TOTAL OF 18 PEOPLE FROM THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI? >> HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE NUECES COUNTY? GESTATING? >> NO. ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT I JUST MENTIONED CAME TO THAT SHELTER. >> NO. YOU SAID CALIFORNIA, ALICE, HOW MANY OF THE 20 PEOPLE THAT WERE REFERENCED WERE IN NUECES COUNTY RESIDENTS? JUST THE 18 OF THE 20? >> IF YOU INCLUDE THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 28, 24? >> SO THE ALICE, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK , DOESN'T COUNT. BUT THE REST OF THEM WERE. >> SOME CIRCUMSTANCES OCCURRED. THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT WAS LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLE. WE HAD LIKE SIX DOGS, TWO CATS, I THINK THAT WAS IT. >> HOW LONG DID THEY ALL STAY THERE ON AVERAGE? >> THE ALLSTATE ON AVERAGE THROUGH THE WHOLE TIME PERIOD. HAVE THERE WORKING? >> WE ESSENTIALLY HAD TWO PER SHIFT. ABOUT 10 PEOPLE. PLUS EMS . >> EDWARD, DO WE USE WHAT WE CALL ESSENTIAL EMPLOYEES? >> YES SIR. I MEAN TECHNICALLY PRETTY MUCH WIND THE JUDGE CALLED SOMETHING, EVERYBODY BECOMES ESSENTIAL. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IN OUR SYSTEM IT IS VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS. I DIDN'T HAVE THE TRAINING TO DO THIS. I CAN SAY, HEY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT. YOU HAVE GOT TO GO FIND SOMEBODY. THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY OF THE SYSTEM. IT IS EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO PUT RESOURCES TOWARDS THIS OPERATION. IN A [02:05:04] HURRICANE, IT IS THE SAME SCENARIO. BUT YOU GET MORE BUY-IN DURING A HURRICANE. THAT IS WHY THE ISSUE IS AS WE SAYS , WE HAD A DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO WE ASKED FOR VOLUNTEERS FOR ENEMIES OR ASSIGNING PEOPLE. YOU NEED TO COME IN OR YOU NEED TO DO THIS WORK. WE TRY NOT TO. IN THE CASE OF A HURRICANE, COMMISSIONER, WE TRIED TO KEEP A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PERSONAL BECAUSE ONCE YOU COMMIT TO THAT PERSON , HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU SHELTERED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. THEN WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF YOU. DO WE TRY TO REDUCE THAT NUMBER. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU ARE NOT ESSENTIAL BUT WE WANT TO TELL YOU YOU NEED TO BE BACK IN TO THE OPERATIONAL AREA WITHIN 24 HOURS OR 36 HOURS. WE DON'T HAVE -- EVERYBODY IS ESSENTIALLY ESSENTIAL BUT WE DON'T HAVE EVERYBODY THERE. IT IS SCALABLE BASED ON THE INCIDENT. >> THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKED IN THE PAST. YOU WEREN'T HERE. ON THE PREMISES AND YOU WERE ALLOWED TO GO HOME, YOU HAD TO BE BACK WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO HELP OUT AND GET THINGS READY. >> ALSO WITH THAT -- I'M SORRY. WE HAVE TO ALSO THINK ABOUT THE TRAINING FOR THE STAFF AS WELL. THAT IS JUST PART OF IT. IDENTIFYING PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO SET ASIDE TIME FOR TRAINING AS WELL. >> I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER ENTITIES, CITIES, AND COUNTIES IN OUR AREA , WE WE SAY HE LOOKED AT RESPONDING TO AN EMERGENCY, THERE IS DEFINITIONS, THERE'S LEVELS OF SEVERITY. BUT THERE IS NOT A BUY-IN OR BUYOUT. YOU ARE PART OF THE TEAM. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WAY OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ARE SET UP IN TEXAS ARE A LITTLE STRANGE COMPARED TO OTHER STATES. WERE TYPICALLY THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT IS THE LEAD ENTITY IN THE COUNTY AND CALLS IN ALL THE RESOURCES TO THE POINT OF CONTACT. WE HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS INTEGRATED IN. DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THIS VERY COMMISSIONER'S COURT . THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THERE. MY OPINION IS THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY OPTIONS A BUY-IN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT CORPUS CHRISTI AND THEY HAVE THEIR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS DRILLS, THEY HAVE EVERY LEVEL OF DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE PART OF THEIR DRILLS AND THEIR PREPARATION AND THEIR TRAINING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. ESPECIALLY DURING HURRICANE SEASON. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- YOU KNOW, AS WE PROVIDE YOU THE RESOURCES IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY OR SCRAMBLE. YOU WILL NEED TO COME UP WITH THE PLAN AND COME DELIVERED TO US. BUT I THINK THAT THE JUDGE WILL BE ABLE TO HELP US WITH THAT. TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD. SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO SCRAMBLE SO PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, SO WHAT IS ON CALL IF YOU WILL. SO, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD REALLY DISCUSS THAT FURTHER AND MAKE A REAL PUSH FOR THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MY SUPPORT ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM IN ITSELF FOR YOU TO HAVE TO FIND PEOPLE TO COME IN AND WORK WHEN THERE SHOULD JUST BE A PHONE TREE, A FLOWCHART, IF YOU WILL FOR FOLLOWING UP. BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF SEVERITY. AND THEY HAVE THEIR PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW. YOU MAY BE ON CALL WHEN I WORKED ON CALL WITH THE STATE. YOU KNEW, HEY, I DID ONE CHRISTMAS WHERE I WAS ON CALL. JUST WAITING FOR THAT PHONE CALL TO RING. I WAS ABLE TO ENJOY TIME WITH MY FAMILY. SOMETIMES IT DOES. WHEN YOU COME UP AGAIN ON THAT ROTATION FOR YEARS DEPEND ON HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE SET UP WITH THAT. I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF YOU ARE REALLY PUSHING THIS FURTHER AND GETTING IT DEVELOPED WHERE IT IS NOT ARBITRARY. THAT IT IS AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT. AND THAT IT COMES FROM A GENTLE REQUEST FROM THIS COURT. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE GET PUSHBACK FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. BUT IN THE END, IT IS THE COUNTY JUDGE WHO IS THE HEAD EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR OF THIS TEAM. RIGHT? WHEN IT IS NORMAL REGULAR TIMES, LOUIS, IF THAT IS YOUR POSITION , RIGHT? ANYWAYS DEFER TO THE JUDGE. THAT IS WHAT I LIKE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE. I KNOW THAT AS WE WHAT YOU WILL NEED. I KNOW IT IS HARD TO ASK YOU FOR THAT. IF WE CAN HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS TO SUPPORT THAT, LET'S PLEASE DO IT. BECAUSE THAT IS AS FRUSTRATING TO HEAR OF HOW YOU -- AND HEARING THE PHONE CALLS AND THE UPDATES THAT YOU WILL GIVE US THROUGHOUT THAT FREEZE OF THE REQUEST THAT YOU PUT IN. JUST ASKING AND FINDING ANY RESOURCE YOU COULD TO COME IN TO HELP. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. GOING TO THE OTHER ISSUES AS WELL. COORDINATING MAYBE ON SEVERITY , LONGEVITY OF A FREEZE OR CERTAIN EMERGENCIES. MAYBE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO WITH, SAY, THE CITY OF CORPUS [02:10:08] CHRISTI IF THEY HAVE MULTIPLE OUTLETS. MAYBE IT IS EASIER TO GET PEOPLE AND MOVE THEM INTO ONE SITE THAN TO HAVE MULTIPLE SITES. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS ON AN ITEM LATER ON. WE HAVE FACILITIES AND RESOURCES IN THE COUNTY FOR A REASON. BECAUSE THIS COUNTY IS STILL PRETTY BIG. AND WHEN YOU DRIVE FROM THE COAST ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY LINE OR FROM PORTLAND OR I 37 ALL THE WAY DOWN TOWARDS BISHOP IN KINGSVILLE, THAT IS AT LEAST A 30, 45 MINUTE DRIVE EASY WITH THE REGULAR SPEED LIMIT AND GREEN LIGHTS ALL THE WAY. SO WE COVER A BIG AREA. AND SO I DO NOT BELIEVE IN JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE BUS AND SHIPPING THEM SOMEWHERE THAT IS FURTHER AWAY FROM THEIR HOME. FURTHER AWAY FROM LOVED ONES THAT MAYBE CAN GO AND GET THEM IN A SHORTER TIME FRAME WHEN AN EMERGENCY HAS EXPIRED RATHER THAN JUST PUT THEM OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE. I WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT AND DISCUSS THAT MORE, BUT I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE OUR RESOURCES THAT WE COORDINATE WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. BUT WE HAVE OUT BECAUSE OUT IN THE RURAL PARTS BECAUSE THE RURAL PART IS SO VAST AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET EVEN FROM -- TO ROB STONE TAKES YOU UP NORTH A DRIVE TO GET THERE AS WELL. ENOUGH OF THAT. THANK YOU. >> I AGREE. I THINK WE CAN ALSO -- WE WERE PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT SOME DEPARTMENT HAD MEETINGS AND INCLUDE THE ELECTIVES THAT WE CAN ASK THEM TO ATTEND. WE CAN HELP FACILITATE IN WORKING ON THIS LIST AS WELL. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> EDWARD, WE STILL HAVE COOPERATION BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS AREAS. YOU ALL WORK PRETTY GOOD TOGETHER AND MOBILIZED AS NEEDED, RIGHT? IN REGARDS WHATEVER DISASTER WE ARE LOOKING AT. >> YES THE REPUBLIC WORSE COMES IN AND THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC DESIGN THAT THEY EMBED WITH THOSE LICHEN HURRICANES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS INCLUDING THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ALSO IN THESE OTHER FREEZING, COOLING, ALL THESE OTHER OPERATIONS. >> I KNOW THEY ALSO COME TOGETHER WITH THE STEAK . IN COMMUNICATING ABOUT THE ROADS , ICY ROADS, AND WHATEVER. LET'S NOT FORGET. WE NEED TO COOPERATE AND TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS ALSO. IN COMING IN. >> YES SIR. FROM MY PART, I KNOW HE REALLY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE. ONE LESS THING IS WE NEED TO STOP LOOKING AT INCIDENTS LIKE THIS IN REGARDS TO FEMA OR SOME KIND OF PAYBACK THEY WERE GOING TO RECEIVE. BECAUSE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, WE HAVE TO MEET A THRESHOLD. THRESHOLD I THINK IS $39 MILLION FOR ANY EVENT IN ORDER FOR US TO GET ANY FUNDING. YEAH. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE MAY BE A GENERATOR THAT WE NEED SITTING THERE IN THE RIGHT KNOW WE HAVE PLANS TO TRY TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE TO DIFFERENT ELECTRICAL AREAS. SO LIKE IF WE WERE IN ROB STONE UTILITIES, WE NEED TO MOVE THEM TO -- OR ANY EVENT OF AN OUTAGE. WE HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THAT? THE ISSUE IS, OKAY, A GENERATOR MAY SIT THERE. ONE THAT IS REQUIRED THAT IS ON AN 18 WHEELER IN A COST IS $18,000 A DAY. BUT WE STILL NEEDED. WE STILL NEEDED FOR THE EVENT. ESPECIALLY ON A HURRICANE BASIS. AND THAT -- WE MAY NOT GET THE MONEY BACK FOR THAT. WE STILL NEED PREPARATIONS. >> LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD NEWS, EDWARD. WE JUST GOT A GENERATOR DONATED FROM COLLEGE STATION. ONE OF THOSE ON WHEELS GENERATORS. YOU CAN PULL WHEREVER YOU WANT IT. AND PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING TO PICK IT UP AND GOING TO WORK ON IT SO WE WILL HAVE A GENERATOR. WE WILL PROBABLY GET ANOTHER GENERATOR PRETTY SOON. >> THAT WILL HELP, COMMISSIONER. FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS, WE NEED 2.5 MEGAWATTS. >> GOOD JOB. >> COMMISSIONER, JUST GO BACK TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT ENTITIES, ESPECIALLY THE PUBLIC WORKS AS PART OF EMERGENCIES, SO WE OPERATE ON THE INCIDENT OF COMMAND STRUCTURE. I THINK THERE IS A FUEL WAS IN HERE THAT ARE REALLY THAT THE INCIDENT COMMAND STRUCTURE. WE REALLY NEED TO KIND OF ADOPT THAT MORE AS OUR POSTURE IS DURING EMERGENCIES. IN INCIDENT COMMAND STRUCTURE WOULD PUT PEOPLE WHERE THEY MOST NEED IT. THOSE OF BE LIKE PUBLIC WORKS FUND OPERATIONS. THE REPORT TO OPERATIONS AS WELL. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN THE START OF INCIDENT TO THE END OF AN INCIDENT IN RECOVERY. AND I THINK I'M DONE UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. ONE MORE THING. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, HE TALKED ABOUT COOPERATING WITH CORPUS CHRISTI? WE DID THAT IN THE [02:15:05] PAST. WE SPOKE TO THAT EARLY. WE DID THAT LAST YEAR. WE DID A WEEKLONG EVENT. BUT THEN THEY PROVIDED FOOD AND MANPOWER. WE PROVIDED MANPOWER. IT IS ABLE TO BE DONE. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTIES WANTED. >> LOUIS? EXCUSE ME. WHERE IS OUR COMMAND CENTER LOCATED? ON THE FIFTH FLOOR? I FEAR FLOOR? >> PLEASE. THESE COME ON UP HERE YES SIR. >> ALREADY. THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU GUYS. GOOD WORK. >> GOOD WORK , EDWARD. GOOD WORK, LOUIS. [7. Discuss and consider approval of Agreement Supplement No. 2 to the Agreement with Lockwood, Andrews, & Newnam, Inc. for Consulting Services for Hazard Mitigation Action Plan (HMAP) under RFP No. 3189-22 Agreement and Amendment Supplement No. 1 to reflect correction of agreed upon reimbursements and total reimbursements.] >> YES. VERY GOOD. MOVING ON, I GUESS WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AGREEMENT. SUPPLEMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE AGREEMENT OF LOCKWOOD AND NEWMAN. I THINK THIS IS JUST A CORRECTION IN THE COUNTY OF ATTORNEY HAVE OKAY $2000 -- IN THE CONTRACT. >> THIS IS THE CORRECTION OF A CLINICAL AREA. >> THAT'S WHAT IT WAS? $2000? YES. IT DID GO FROM 62 TO 164. IT WENT UP. 2000. >> SORRY. IT WENT UP. >> YES. 164 . NOT THE 162 THAT WAS ERRONEOUSLY STATED IN THE FIRST SUPPLEMENT. >> IT WAS OUR ERROR OR SOMETHING? >> I DON'T KNOW WHOSE ERA IT WAS. COMMISSIONER. >> ALREADY. >> WE WILL TAKE IT. >> WE WILL TAKE THE BLAME. NO PROBLEM. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED ? MOTION PASSES. UNANIMOUS FOR THE CLINICAL [8. Discuss and consider the elimination of the NCDC to coordinate our efforts with existing economic development organizations to better optimize economic development throughout Nueces County and all related matters. ] ERROR. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE ELIMINATION OF THE AND CDC TO COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS WITH EXISTING ECONOMIC INVOLVEMENT ORGANIZATIONS. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >> THERE IS ONE PORTION OF IT THAT WE DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATION IN EXECUTIVE FEAR THAT ONE GOES TO THE BOARD. NOT THE DEPARTMENT OR THE MOVEMENT OF PERSONNEL. >> THERE IS A LEGAL ISSUE? >> YES. IT ONLY GOES TO THANK BUT IT MAY BE MOOT SINCE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTIVE MEMBERS. BUT JUST DISSOLVING THE BOARD THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CREATED, IT MAY BE THAT AFTER IT IS CREATED, IT CAN'T JUST BE DISSOLVED IN THE SAME FASHION. BUT AT THE SINK AT THE SAME TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM OF MEMBERS ON THE BOARD. >> I DON'T THINK THAT IS A SECRETIVE THING. >> YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF EXPIRED TERMS. THEY ONLY I THINK , WHAT, THREE ACTIVE MEMBERS ON THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? >> WE HAVEN'T HOLDOVER. >> BUT THESE ARE STATUTORY MAXIMUMS OF TWO YEARS. THESE ARE NOT LIKE OTHER APPOINTED BOARDS IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND SO WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL MAXIMUM ON THOSE OF TWO YEARS AFTER THEY DO EXPIRE THEN THEY WOULDN'T FALL INTO THAT HOLDOVER. >> WHO ARE THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN HERE. >> WELL, -- GO AHEAD. >> THE REMAINING -- LET ME SEE. >> JUDGE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE COURT RECEIVED ANY REQUESTS? I RECEIVED AN EMAIL ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE THE EXISTING REMAINING MEMBERS WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND TODAY. I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THAT IF POSSIBLE. I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. I GUESS THE STATUTORILY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT TECHNICALLY A MEMBER ANY LONGER. I WOULD STILL ASK FOR THIS TO BE TABLED IN ANY WAY. UNLESS, JENNY, YOU HAVE -- >> KNOW. I HAVE SIX EXPIRED PEOPLE IN THE LIST. AND THE ONLY PEOPLE I HAVE -- ONE, TWO, THREE CURRENT AND EXPIRED. MAYBE FOUR CURRENT UNEXPIRED. [02:20:01] ON THE BOARD. >> I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TABLE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHEN IS. IT HAS BEEN ON THE YOU SHOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION. SINCE YOU PUT IT ON I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MAKE IT. I WOULD PREFER TO MAKE IT IS IN ON THIS AND MOVE ON. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO, AGAIN, TO TABLE IT. WE ARE GOING TO DIFF RESOLVE IT. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT HOW WE DO WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS. HOW DO WE ADVISE THEM? HOW DO WE PROPERLY TELL THEM, HEY, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE AC/DC ANYMORE. IF WE DON'T HAVE A NCDC THEN THERE IS NO PURPOSE. BOARD DID NOT REALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THE SAME WAY. THERE IS NO FUNDS FOR THIS ORGANIZATION TO EXIST ANYMORE. >> THEY HAVE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. >> I DON'T KNOW . >> I THINK THAT WAS TEMPORARY. THROUGH THE END OF LAST YEAR IS WHAT I REMEMBER. >> WE MAY HAVE TEMPORARILY FUNDED IT AND TECHNICALLY HE MAY STILL BE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. HE WANTS TO WORK FOR FREE. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW OR UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT PART OF IT. I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO MAKE THE MOTION SUBJECT TO JENNY DOING WHAT SHE NEEDS TO DO LEGALLY TO WRAP IT UP. I THINK THAT IT IS TIME TO MOVE FORWARD AND COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS IN BETTER UNISON WITH PEOPLE. THE CORPUS CHRISTI ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING IT CANNOT ALREADY. CERTAINLY YOU CAN ARGUE. YOU CAN'T DO TOO MUCH ECONOMIC AVAILMENT BUT FOR THE FACT THAT THERE IS EFFECTIVENESS AND WE ARE SPENDING MONEY OTHER PLACES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> AND IF THE COURT -- IF IT IS THE DESIRE OF THE COURT THAT IT BE DISSOLVED, IT SHOULD BE AS IT WAS CREATED I BELIEVE BY THE COUNTY JUDGE AT THE TIME. IT SHOULD BE WE BELIEVE THE COUNTY JUDGE THAT MAKES THAT DECISION ON THAT ONE. >> RECOMMENDATION? >> IT WASN'T VOTED ON. IT IS CREATED. >> YES IT WAS. WE VOTED ON IT. IN FACT, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON IN REGARDS TO LETTING THE JUDGE APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS. WE APPROVED IT. WE WENT THROUGH. SHE HAD TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PRIOR JUDGE DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION. IT WAS VOTED ON. AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT. SHE LOOKED AND SAID, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS FOR MEMBERS? AT THE TIME WE SAY WE WILL LET YOU APPROVE OR MEMBERS. YEAH. IT WAS VOTED ON. CORRECT? >> THE STATUTORY CREATED. IF IT IS VOTED ON, THEN THE STATUTE SAYS THAT THE COUNTY JUST CREATES THE BOARD. BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT THE COURT AS A WHOLE DID DECIDE TO ADD IN THAT, BUT IT IS A COUNTY JUDGE STATUTORY COURT. >> COUNTY JUDGE CAN CREATE AN INDUSTRIAL COMMISSION. THIS ISN'T EVEN AN INDUSTRIAL COMMISSION. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT IS THE INDUSTRIAL COMMISSION? IT IS NOT EVEN IN NCDC. >> RIGHT. IT CALLED ITSELF THE SAME THING IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DOCUMENT. >> RIGHT. BY INDUSTRIAL COMMISSION -- IT IS KIND OF -- TO BE HONEST, I THINK WE FOUND A WAY TO CREATE THIS THING UNDER A STATUTE THAT WE PROBABLY NOT EVEN SURE WE HAD THE RIGHT TO DO IT THAT WE JUST DID IT. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE DEFINITION OF AN INDUSTRIAL COMMISSION THAT IS DIFFERENT. >> THAT MAY BE, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE PAPERWORK THAT ESTABLISHES THE THING CALLED ITSELF AN INDUSTRIAL COMMISSION ALSO KNOWN AS THIS OTHER THING. >> OKAY. I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOU. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DID YOU TABLE YOUR TABLE? YOU DIDN'T DO A TABLE? OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> WHAT IS THE MOTION? >> FRIEND, YOUR MOTION AGAIN? TO DISSOLVE? >> DO WE HAVE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION ON THIS? >> PENDING JENNY FIND OUT THAT IT'S OKAY TO DO. >> WE COULD ALWAYS ASK FOR BACKUP.CONDITION. >> THERE IS NO BACKUP. IT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. A MEMO OR SOMETHING EXPLAINING. >> A MEMO? >> THE MOTION IS TO DISCUSS THE ILLUMINATION OF THE NCDC TO COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS WITH THE EXISTING ECONOMIC THE VOMIT CORONATIONS TO ORGANIZE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND ALL RELATED MATTERS BUT I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I WOULD SUBMIT AS BACKUP FOR THAT. >> I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THAT MEANS, COMMISSIONER. >> YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THAT MEANS? IT MEANS TO ELIMINATE IT. >> LET ME FINISH. EXISTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS VERY GENERAL. COME WITH A PLAN. COME WITH A GAME PLAN., TO YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT TO [02:25:04] TAKE THE PLACE OF THIS ORGANIZATION. >> I DON'T. WE ARE LIMITED. I DON'T HAVE ANY PLAN. IT IS A LIMITING. THAT'S ALL IT IS. >> TO COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS WITH EXISTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS. >> MY MOTION IS TO LAMINATE THE NCDC. THAT IS MY MOTION. THAT'S IT. >> I KNOW. I FEEL A LITTLE FRISKY ON THAT SO I'M GIVING YOU A HARD TIME RIGHT NOW, COMMISSIONER. WE HAVE ALWAYS MADE IT A POINT AS A COURT AND I FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THE COURT AND AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION. IN THIS ITEM, WE DO NOT. I'M NOT GOING TO FALL ON THE SWORD FOR THIS BECAUSE MAYBE IT IS TIME IS DONE. MAYBE OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS EXPRESSED AS FAR AS TERMS, THIS MAY BE A MOOT POINT. BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU CONSTANTLY PRESS FOR A BACKUP DOCUMENTATION ITEMS THAT WAS SOMEONE ELSE'S ITEM. >> IT IS YOURS . YOU FILE THIS. >> WHAT? ,. I HAVE ASKED HIM THREE TIMES HERE WHAT WHAT I HAVE PROVIDED AS BACKUP? >> I'M NOT HEARING THE WORDS COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. >> YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT RUSH-HOUR MOVIE THAT WAS. >> -ITIS AND MASKING WHAT YOU WANT. >> ON THE SCENE, GIVEN SPECIFICITY TO WHEN YOU STICK IN HIS RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU WANT THE ILLUMINATION IN NCDC TO COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS WITH EXISTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION. ALL I'M SAYING IS WHEN HE JUST A LITTLE WRITE UP SOMEWHERE FROM YOU, FROM WHOEVER THAT SPECIFIES -- >> WHAT IS YOUR INTENT ? IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. IF WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE MOTION AND SAY WE PLAN OUR INTENT IS TO COORDINATE WITH THE OUR ADC. LET'S DO IT. >> THAT'S PERFECT. >> THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR. BECAUSE THE PUBLIC MAY NOT UNDERSTAND. I GOT THIS LAST MINUTE REQUEST. A MEASURE OF THE AUDIT AS WELL. THAT'S WHY I JUST MET UP. I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO GO INTO MAKING A MOTION. >> I THINK HE CAN ON CAROL GREAT THAT INTO HIS MOTION. IN LIGHT OF THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE JUST LEARNED THAT THE COURT HAS STOPPED THE FUNDING FOR THIS AS WELL. I THINK IT IS MORE CRITICAL FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND ELEVATE THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THIS TO BEGIN. >> I DO KNOW IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE A BIT PROJECT -- LOOK. THAT BIT COMPANY THAT CAME KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR LAST YEAR , WE DIDN'T ABOUT IT. THERE WASN'T MUCH ON ANYONE'S RADAR. IT KIND OF JUST SHOWED UP AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO BE IN NUECES COUNTY. THAT COULD HAPPEN ANY DAY ANY MOMENT. AS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOWN IN PLACE THAT IS WORKING ON OUR BEHALF. WHETHER WE DESIGNATE THAT THE DAY OR WE PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA WERE WITH A COUPLE OF MEETINGS. JUST SO WE HAVE THIS IS OUR GROUP OR THESE ARE OUR TWO GROUPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUR PERSON. THAT IS ALL I'M ASKING FOR. I DON'T WANT TO JUMP OFF THE CLIFF. WITHOUT HAVING SOMEONE THERE THAT IS GOING TO BE ADVOCATING FOR NUECES COUNTY'S INTEREST. FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. ESPECIALLY LIKE THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE THAT HAS BEEN IN THE MEDIA. THAT IS NOT IN ANY MUNICIPALITY. ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OTHER THAN NUECES COUNTY ITSELF. THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN. IF WE GET SOMEBODY TO SHOW UP , THEY KNOW WHO TO GO TO. THAT THEY KNOW THIS IS A GROUP ADVOCATING ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY'S INTEREST. AND THEN THAT GROUP WILL TURN RIGHT AROUND, CONTACT THE JUDGE, AND THEN WE CAN CONTACT THEM AND GET THAT ITEM OFF THE AGENDA. THAT IS ALL I'M SAYING. HAVE SOMEBODY IN PLACE WITH THIS MOTION. AND THEN WE CAN FEEL MUCH BETTER AND MOVE ON. >> I AGREE. WILL YOU MEND YOUR MOTION? >> I'M JUST WAITING TO SEE HOW HE WANTS IT AMENDED. I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO WHAT YOU SAID. >> WE ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THE -- AND THE ROB STONE UTILIZE THE BOTH THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. WE ALREADY FUND THOSE AS WELL. SAY IT JUST CONSIDER THE ILLUMINATION TO ELIMINATE THE NCDC TO COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS WITH EXISTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE NOT LIMITED TO -- IN THE AREA ECONOMIC THE VOMIT CORONATIONS AND ANY OTHER EXISTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION. AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE CAN ALSO PUT BELINDA WITH OUR GOVERNMENT RELATIONS PERSON ON THAT TOO. WE COULD ADD THAT TO THE MOTION. NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. >> WELL -- WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? SORRY. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> IT'S OKAY. IT'S FINE. TO ELIMINATE THE NCDC TO CORNET [02:30:04] REFERENCE WITH EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS TO INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE CORPUS CHRISTI ECONOMIC VOMIT COORDINATION AND ANY OTHER EXISTING ECONOMIC THE VOMIT CORONATIONS TO BETTER OPTIMIZE THE VOMIT THROUGH NUECES COUNTY . AND TO APPOINT OUR GOVERNMENT RELATIONS LIAISON AS THE POINT FOR THAT CONTACT. I GUESS. AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED ? THE MOTION PASSES AND , JENNY, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE HAVE TO DO? >> YES. THERE IS A DEPARTMENT ASIDE FROM THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD MEMBERS, THERE IS A DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED ALSO. >> AND WHAT YOU NEED ME TO DO? WHAT MOTION DO I NEED TO MAKE ON THAT? >> IF THAT IS THE DESIRE OF THE COURT BE DISSOLVED SO THAT THERE IS NO MORE DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY. >> OKAY. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S ADVICE TO DISSOLVE THE DEPARTMENT. THERE IS CURRENTLY AN EMPLOYEE WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT SO THE COURT HAS DETERMINED WHAT ACTION TO DO WITH A CURRENT EMPLOYEE? TO MOVE THEM AROUND OR WHATEVER MIGHT BE THE CASE? >> WE HAVE PLENTY OF OPENINGS >> WE WANT TO MOVE THAT PERSON. >> I BELIEVE WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPENINGS BUT THAT IS UP TO THE DEPARTMENT. >> ASSUMING SHE WANTS TO BE TRANSFERRED. YEAH. WE WANT TO PROVIDE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY . MY UNDERSTANDING IS SHE HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD EMPLOYEE AND WE WANT TO KEEP HER. BUT IF SHE DOESN'T WANT TO STAY THAN THAT IS UP TO HER. >> ANY PART OF THE MOTION I CAN MAKE WITH THAT? HOWEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO IT. >> IS THAT? >> IT COULDN'T HURT. IT IS KIND OF ONE OF THE NATURAL NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHEN A DEPARTMENT GOES AWAY. AND AS ALWAYS. BUT IF YOU ADD THAT TO THE MOTION. >> SURE. TO DISSOLVE THE DEPARTMENT. AND MOVE THE EMPLOYEE TO ANOTHER OPENING IN NUECES COUNTY THAT IS MUTUALLY AGREEABLE TO THE EMPLOYEE AND DEPARTMENT HEAD. >> WE HAVE A SECOND ALREADY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> MAYBE JUST CLARIFY , BUT IT IS NOT TO BE FUNDED EITHER. IT WOULD NEED TO BE FUNDED. JUST HYPOTHETICALLY I TAKE HER IN. BUDGET POSITION. >> YOU ARE REMOVING THE BUDGET OF EVERYTHING. OKAY. >> THAT IS WHY IT HAS TO BE MUTUALLY AGREEABLE. IT HAS TO BE A POSITION. I KNOW WE HAVE PLENTY OPEN POSITIONS. >> WE HAVE SEVERAL OPENINGS THEY CAN GO TO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE TAKE A SHORT RECESS. 10 MINUTES MAX IF WE COULD BE BACK HERE AT 11:00 . 11:45. I HAVE A COUPLE OF REQUESTS IF YOU DON'T MIND. I JUST RECESS. >> >> IT MAY TAKE A FEW WEEKS. YES. [9. Discuss and consider the ratification of previously passed updated Nueces County Commissioners' Court Policy and Procedure Guidelines. ] >> 30 DAYS? OKAY. ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, MOVING ON , DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE RATIFICATION OF PREVIOUSLY PAST NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT POLICY AND PROCEDURES GUIDELINE. WE ARE BACK ON. I TOLD HER WE WERE BACK ON ALREADY. 11:15. SORRY. I DIDN'T DO THE TIME. >> JUDGE, THIS IS SIMPLY THAT. JOHN, YOU WILL BE HAPPY TO KNOW I PUT BACK UP THERE. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY THE RATIFICATION OF WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PAST . THAT'S IT. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE. JENNY HAS REVIEWED IT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS WHAT IT IS AND CERTAINLY IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE IT LATER WE CAN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION TO RATIFY THESE FOR NOW. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED , SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. [10. Discuss and consider that all non-consent agenda items have an accompanying written staff recommendation in the Commissioners Court packet provided prior to the Commissioners Court meeting. ] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE POLICY IS RATIFIED. ON ITEM NUMBER 10 , DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE THAT ON ON [02:35:01] CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS HAVE AN ACCOMPANYING WRITTEN STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND A COMMISSIONERS COURT PACKET. >> YEAH. AGAIN, THIS IS ONE WE TALKED ABOUT AGAIN AS A CORE. I GUESS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST NONCONSENT. IT CAN BE CERTAINLY ALL OF THEM. I THROW THAT TO THE COURT. FOR CONSIDERATION THERE. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO JUST STICK AND ITEM AND CONSENT SO THAT THERE IS NOT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE? >> COMMISSIONER, ON ITEM WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER, ITEM EIGHT. I SUPPORT THIS. I THINK IT HAS BEEN A GREAT POLICY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE A MEMO. SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE A BRIEF LITTLE SUMMARY. BUT IF A MEMO OF STAFF OR MAYBE CORE ADMINISTRATOR CAN CREATE IT OR WHOEVER THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS OR WHOEVER MAY BE JUST ACTUALLY PUT THE ITEM UP CAN PROVIDE US JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. WE USUALLY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO WHERE WE CAN CLICK ON THE LINK AND GIVE US MORE INFORMATION. BUT WE STILL DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT. EVEN IF SOMETHING VERY BRIEF THAT GIVES US A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL NOT ONLY FOR US. WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OFF-LINE BEFORE THE MEETING. AND WE SHOULD. BUT FOR SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IS LOOKING IN, AND I KNOW THAT IS THE MEDIA IS CONCERNED EARLY OR LATE LAST YEAR WAS TRANSPARENCY. I THINK THAT HELPS US PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT EXACTLY THAT ITEM IS ABOUT AND NOT JUST SOME VAGUE WORDING WITH ATTACHMENTS TO IT. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR CONCEPT THAT WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY BACKUP -- I GUESS I COULD PUT A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THE COURT DECIDED SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THE ONES THAT I COMPLAIN ABOUT ALL THE TIME IS WHEN WE HAVE A 30 PAGE BACK UP AND IT GETS WALKED IN ON THE LAST MINUTE. THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE I GUESS I CAN PUT A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT THE COURT TALKED ABOUT PUTTING ON THE AGENDA. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO PUT ON THERE. I WILL TRY MY BEST. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT IN THE POLICY IT SAYS THAT ITEMS SUBMITTED FOR THE AGENDA SHOULD BE TURNED IN BY 5:00 P.M. ON EIGHT DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THESE PACKETS SOME TIME FOR US TO GO OVER THEM. NOT THIS LAST-MINUTE TRYING TO GET OUR INFORMATION OUT. I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THINGS CHANGE. BUT PRETTY MUCH WE CAN WORK OFF OF A SCHEDULE LIKE THIS AND WORRY ABOUT IT ON THE NEXT MEETING IF IT DOESN'T GET POSTED FOR THIS ONE. >> ESPECIALLY FOR BUDGET ITEMS. IT IS CONSTANT. IT IS RIGHT BEFORE WE WALK IN SOMETIMES. THAT IS KIND OF UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL DAYS TO WORK OVER IT. LIKE I SAID, I'M TIME MYSELF TOO. IF I PUT IN THE ITEM. >> IF WE HAVE IT WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE AGENDA ITEM THEY HAVE TO PUT THE BACKGROUND IN THE DISCUSSION. EVERYTHING. WE JUST NEED TO ENFORCE. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR CONCEPT. ARTIST DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD HAVE PUT ON THIS. >> LASHES HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT PART THAT WOULD BE COHESIVE ENOUGH TO WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE CONDITIONED TO DO THIS. >> THIS WAS REALLY THE DIRECTION OF THE COURT. I JUST PUT IT ON. I GOT NO CLUE. I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD HAVE SAID ON THIS OTHER THAN LIKE THE COURT TALKED ABOUT IT. WE ALL SAID WE WANTED TO DO. >> THE LIST IS ALREADY IN THE POLICY. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A MOTION ON THIS. WE ARE GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD. >> NOTED NO. THIS IS REGARDING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS IN OUR POLICIES. IN OTHER WORDS, >> ANYBODY THAT SAYS SOMETHING IT IS ON THE FORM YOU FILL OUT. >> RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, COURT MANAGER -- >> WHO IS ITEM D BELONG TO? ALL THESE DEPARTMENT HEADS BUT ON DIFFERENT THINGS. RIGHT? WHAT WE AS A COURSE THAT WE WANTED WAS THE COURT MANAGER TO GIVE US A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION ON ALL THESE ITEMS. IN OTHER WORDS -- RIGHT. LIKE WHEN WE AT THE CITY COUNCIL WE WOULD GET PRESENTATIONS AND THE STAFF WOULD ALWAYS ON EVERY SINGLE ITEM IN STAFF OR GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ITEM. WHY THEY SUPPORTED IT OR WHY THEY DID AND SUPPORTED. SOMEBODY CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT THE STAFF COURT MANAGER MAY NOTHING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. WE NEED TO DO THIS. THE INTENT OF THIS WHAT THE COURT DISCUSSED BEFORE IS TO HAVE THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR . THEIR STUFF. >> WE NEED TO CLARIFY WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS BECAUSE AS AN ELECTED I KNOW WHAT MY OFFICE NEEDS AND IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE ALL ELECTED. I'M NOT GOING TO GO -- [02:40:03] NO FENCE. >> DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THEM BUT I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT SHOOTINGS. >> I UNDERSTAND BUT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SET UP ANY FOR MY OFFICE AGAINST THE COURT MANAGERS RECOMMENDATION? >> IT IS NOT A SET UP AGAINST. WE RELY ON HER IN MY OPINION. WE RELY ON HER WHEN TONE IS ELECTED OR NOT TO SAY THIS IS GOOD BAD OR INDIFFERENT. AND TO HAVE AN OPINION. QUITE FRANKLY, SHE REALLY DOES. WHITE IS IT AGAINST? >> THE WAY -- WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, OKAY, I MAY NEED SOMETHING FOR MY OFFICE BUT YOU'RE GOING TO RELY ON WHAT THE COURT MANAGER DECIDES FOR HER RECOMMENDATION. >> KNOW. I WANT A RECOMMENDATION. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY, DIRECT DONATION BEER BY EMILY'S GOING TO RELY ON YOU MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ELECTED OFFICIAL WORD BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE SEE -- BUT WHAT WHAT I EXPECT HER TO DO IS GO TO AND SAY, HEY, BEFORE I GO ON HERE, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I GOT LISTED WITH. YOU MIGHT SAY, OH NO. YOU ARE NOT READING THAT RIGHT AND IT GETS RESOLVED. >> WE DO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING FOR ME. >> KNOW. I GET IT. IT IS MORE REALIZING WHAT I THINK HAPPENS ANYWAY BETWEEN -- RIGHT. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WAY THINGS CAN WORK OUT BEFORE WE COME IN HERE AND HAVE ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS. IF YOU ARE TELLING ME ONE THING IN YOUR TONGUE WITH THE SAME THING I'M GOING TO THE AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE I HAVE READ MY BACKGROUND AND I AM MOVING ON. BUT IF THE ATTORNEY SAYS, WAIT, WE HAVE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS JUST USING YOU AS AN EXAMPLE. WE STOPPED, WE PAUSE, WE TALK ABOUT IT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I JUST WANT MORE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO WEIGH IN ? >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. WE ARE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ALL THE ELECTEDS. >> KNOW. ME. >> IS THAT WRITTEN HERE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I DON'T WANT TO JUST TO BE WE ARE EXPLAINING IT NOW. IN THE FUTURE IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT IN WRITING. JENNY, DO YOU FEEL THAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S EXPLANATION IS SAYING THAT IN WRITING? WE ARE ALL AGREEING RIGHT NOW OR IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE VERBALLY TALKING THIS OUT. DO YOU THINK THAT IS WHAT IT DOES? I DON'T WHAT'S ON THE COME IN AFTER CARRIER OR IN ANOTHER ELECTED POSITION AND NOT REALIZE THAT WE ALL KIND OF HAVE THAT CONSENSUS. >> I NEED SOMETHING FOR BUDGETARY ISSUES. FOR MY OFFICE. I AM THE ELECTED. I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN MY OFFICE. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT -- THIS HASN'T HAPPENED IN THE PAST. I DON'T PERCEIVE IT HAPPENING. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOREVER. IT IS NOT INDEFINITELY. BUT SAY YOU GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNTY MANAGER SAYING, NOPE, THAT IS NOT GOOD. YOU ALL TAKE A RECOMMENDATION. NOW YOU'RE SETTING HERSELF UP TO BE SUED BY ME. BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT PROVIDING. >> THAT IS IF WE VOTE NO. >> THAT IS MY POINT. AGAIN, IF IT IS SOMETHING -- ELECTED ARE DIFFERENT. ELECTEDS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE DIFFERENT. I AM ELECTED. THE PUBLIC HAS ENTRUSTED ME TO RUN MY OFFICE. AND THE LAW, THE CONSTITUTION, ALLOWS ME. YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE ME WHAT I NEED IN ORDER TO RUN MY OFFICE. >> BUT WE HAVE THE DISCRETION WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET. WE ARE THE BUDGET OFFICER. THE POINT IS YOU'RE MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL. THE POINT IS I DOES WANT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT OFFENDS YOU. >> NO. >> I AM OKAY WITH IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS SO OFFENSIVE. >> RIGHT. NO. IT IS NOT OFFENSIVE. I'M NOT OFFENDED BY IT. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN. THAT'S IT. JUST BE AWARE. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELECTEDS. IT MAY BE -- >> THERE IS A THIN LINE. WE CAN CERTAINLY DIRECT. >> THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IF IT IS COMING FROM AND ELECTED. OTHER THAN JUST A DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT SOMEONE WORKS UNDER. >> JUST BECAUSE SHE MAKES A RECOGNITION, NO FENCE, I DISAGREE WITH HER RECOMMENDATIONS A LOT. THIS BECAUSE SHE MAKES ONE DOESN'T MEAN I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH IT. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS SO I CAN MAKE A REAL DECISION. WE COULD ADD LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, IF ANY ISSUE EXISTS IN THE COUNTY MANAGER THAN THEY NEED TO GO. IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO, WE CAN MICROMANAGE IT SOME MORE. I AM OKAY WITH THAT. I JUST WANT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. >> SO DOES THIS HAVE TO BE A MOTIONING? ARE WE DOING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR IS THAT ALREADY WRITTEN? >> NO. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT STAFF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION IN OUR POLICIES THAT I HAVE READ OR FOUND. >> THE COURT MANAGER STAFF. I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT WOULD HELP CLARIFY IF THAT IS PART OF IT. >> YEAH. THAT'S FINE. >> WANTED JUST A STAFF FRAGMENTATION -- >> I WAS KIND OF INCLUDING YOU IN THAT. YOU KNOW. COUNTY MANAGER/COUNTY ATTORNEY. YOU [02:45:02] KNOW. WHATEVER. DISCUSS IT. I GUESS I WILL TRY. WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER THAT ALL AGENDA ITEMS HAVE AN ACCOMPANYING WRITTEN STAFF RECOMMENDATION BY THE COURT MANAGER/COUNTY ATTORNEY. IF ANY ISSUE EXISTS BETWEEN THE ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE COUNTY MANAGER, THOSE NEED TO BE WORKED OUT PRIOR TO COMING TO WORK. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. YOU GET THAT? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF YOU ALLOW WITHIN THAT PROCESS AND APPEAL PROCESS BECAUSE IF IT IS NOT ABLE TO BE WORKED OUT AMONG THOSE PEOPLE THAN THAT ELECTED WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT FUNDING QUESTION TO THE COURT AND TO OVERRIDE ANY DECISION OR RECOMMENDATION. WASH IT. SHE DOESN'T NEED TO QUASH IT. IT IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION. SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUASH ANYTHING. OKAY. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, WE ABOUT TO ASK SOMETHING? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED SAME SIGN. >> COMING COULD YOU PUT THIS ON POLICIES AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK IN I GUESS. >> WE CAN DO THAT AND WE WILL GET WITH YOU ON EXACT WORDING. EXACT WORDING. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE HER MAD. I'M SERIOUS. I [11. Discuss and consider funding sources for furniture needs for the county outreach medical clinic located at the Calderon building.] WANT A MOTION. >> OKAY. MOVING ON ITEM 11. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER FUNDING SOURCES FOR FURNITURE NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY OUTREACH MEDICAL CLINIC. LOCATED AT THE -- COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, THIS IS YOURS. >> I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE IT WOULD BE ABOUT $10,000. BUT IT MIGHT BE HIGHER. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE KIND OF DRESSING UP THE CLINIC. WE WENT TO THE SURPLUS AND BOUGHT SOME FURNITURE . ABOUT $8000 . ABOUT $5000 FOR IT. WE BOUGHT DESKS AND CHAIRS AND CONFERENCE TABLES. EVERYTHING ELSE. >> ONLY PAY FOR A HUNTER BUT THE VALUE OF 8000. 10,000. >> I'M GOING TO OFFER TO PUT IN THE PHONE NOW. >> THAT'S A BIG DEAL. WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE THE THING IN GOOD SHAPE. IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO SHARE WE CAN. >> I WILL DO MY PART. >> I THINK WE SHOULD ALL SHARE IN THAT. >> WOULD THERE BE A MOTION FOR EACH OF US BUT TO PUT $2000 IN? IS THAT GOOD? THE MOTION WOULD BE TO FUNDING SOURCE WILL BE FROM EACH PRECINCT IN THE JUDGES AND WHATEVER FUNDS THEY DESIGNATE THAT ARE APPROPRIATE . $2000 EACH FOR THE FURNITURE NEEDS. FOR THE COUNTY OUTREACH MEDICAL NECK CLINIC . >> I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THAT. MAKE IT 3000. IF WE DON'T USE IT ALL WE DON'T USE IT ALL. THAT WAY WE ARE NOT HAVING TO COME BACK. >> I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. >> AND I SECONDED THE MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ANYBODY? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. UNANIMOUSLY TO TAKE $3000 FROM EACH OF OUR WHATEVER FUNDS WE DESIGNATE TO PITCH IN FOR THIS CALLED HER ON BUILDING. >> HELPING US RENT A U-HAUL. >> LET ME TYPE. I THINK YOU PROBABLY JUST SAVED US LIKE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE HE WENT AND GOT US THIS FURNITURE AND SPEND HIS TIME AND EFFORT. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT AS WELL BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH THAT REALLY WOULD HAVE COST. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HELPING OUT WITH THAT AS WELL. >> VERY MUCH. >> GOT TO GET IT GOING. >> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12. [12. Discuss and consider an Order of Commissioners Court to procure construction services for the proposed Animal Care Center through a Request for Competitive Sealed Proposals as authorized under Section 2269.151 of the Texas Government Code.] [02:50:04] DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AN ORDER OF COMMISSIONERS COURT TO PROCURE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR THE PROPOSED ANIMAL CARE CENTER THROUGH A REQUEST FOR COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSALS AS AUTHORIZED UNDER SECTION 2269.151 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. AND THIS IS A DAY YOU SUBMITTED THIS. IN YOUR DISTRICT , ISN'T IT? >> WE CAN DISCUSS THIS . THIS IS A FUNDING SOURCE THAT WAS APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER FOR $4.2 MILLION BACK THEN. THIS IS JUST GOING UP FOR BID FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. THE COURT APPROVED THAT IS GOING TO BE THE PROCESS. >> OKAY. THIS IS TO SPEND $4.2 MILLION ON THAT FACILITY? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> LET ME SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND DISCUSSION. I KNOW I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER MAREZ AND WE TALKED ABOUT CHINA KEEP IT UNDER ANY DONATE SOME COST IN THAT AS WELL. I ALSO AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO GET STARTED AND MOVE ON WITH SOMETHING. IF WE CAN COME BACK ON ANY COST IT WOULD GREATLY BE APPRECIATED. >> YES JUDGE. ABSOLUTELY. DOES THE PROPOSAL SET OUT ALLOW US TO GET A LOWER COST ? >> UNDER THE COMPETITIVE PROPOSALS IF I RECALL ANY TRY TO DO THIS FOR THE PURE DEMOLITION THAT THE COURT HAS TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND SCORING OF THE COMMITTEE? I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE FOUND OUT LAST TIME IN YOU ALL WEREN'T ABLE TO MANEUVER VERY MUCH WITH THAT. SO LONG AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT FACT. AND THEN WHOEVER YOU ALL HAVE SELECTED. THIS DIDN'T COME TO MY OFFICE. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW. I ASKED THAT YOU WILL AUTHORIZE THE AGENT TO PUBLISH A NOTICE. AND THAT SHE ADOPT THE ORDER THAT SETS UP THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE. THAT IS ATTACHED. I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN ORDER ATTACHED. >> JUST, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING, ON THE RECORD I SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF DOING IT. I THINK WE WERE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH MONEY ON THE FACILITY THAT COULD BE DONE FOR WAY LESS. I WOULD THINK THIS IS JUST $4 MILLION. WE HAVE GOT IN MY OPINION. NOT INFRASTRUCTURE. PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. NOT TOO MUCH MONEY TO SPEND ON A FACILITY THAT I THINK WE COULD DO FOR LESS WITHOUT ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES. I THINK I HAVE GIVEN UP ALL MY ARGUMENT WITH THE CITY BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO DO. AGAIN, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT BETTER. I JUST DON'T THINK THIS THE RIGHT COURSE OF ACTION. YANKEE. >> WHILE WE ARE TALKING IN THIS, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY OPTION IS DEAD. I THINK IT IS VIABLE. I SPOKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON MONDAY. AND SO HE IS OPEN TO WHATEVER WE DECIDED TO BRING TO HIM. THEIR FACILITIES ARE PRETTY MUCH MAXED OUT ACCORDING TO MR. UNI . ANY KIND OF MANAGER OR PARTNERSHIP I AM ALL FOR. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I THINK THERE ARE SOME FACILITIES. I GET HAVING ONE IS IDEAL, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAVEL TIME AND CAPACITY OF FACILITY, THAT IS WHERE YOU CAN GET A LOCATION IN OTHER AREAS. THAT IS MY PUSH FOR HAVING THIS TO PUSH FOR THIS TO BE AT THE SITE NEXT TO THE OLD SHOW BARN. I AGREE ALSO ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME THAT WE DON'T OVERSPEND FOR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AS SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF AN ANIMAL CARE CENTER. WHEN WE TALK ALL THIS, THIS IS INFRASTRUCTURE TOTAL ALL THAT IS INCLUDED. >> THAT IS CORRECT. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SURPRISE LIKE THIS IS TOTAL FOR THE BUILDING. BY THE WAY, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY KIND OF SANITATION, PLUMBING. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH THERE OTHER THAN -- THIS IS 50 YARDS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GET SOME SUPPORT TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF POSSIBLY TAKING OVER OUR FACILITY AND RUNNING A BETTER. AGAIN, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR LOCATION. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH DOING IT OUT THERE. I THINK EVEN IF WE [02:55:02] MERGED WITH THE CITY, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE A LOCATION OUT THERE. I THINK WE ARE SPENDING TOO MUCH FOR WHAT WE HAVE GOT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ALL. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I DON'T SUPPORT THE NUMBER. AT THIS POINT. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS POSTED WHERE WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY CONSIDERING WE ARE BUILDING THIS. DOES THAT REMAIN TO THIS TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> LIKE US A, I WANT TO MOVE ON THIS DEFINITELY. I THINK THE CITY IS OPEN TO -- I THINK WE CAN HAVE BOTH , RIGHT? I THINK WE NEED A NEW FACILITY. HAVING THAT OLD FACILITY PARKED IN THE BACK OF MY OFFICE THERE IS NOT THE MOST EASIEST TO FIND LOCATION. IT IS NOT VERY CENTRAL FOR THE COMMUNITY OR FOR THE RURAL COMMUNITY TO GET TO. IT IS UNSIGHTLY. YOU HAVE GOT TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC WORKS YOUR DECISION TO THE BACK OF IT. ALL THOSE THINGS ADDED UP. REALLY THE REASON WHY WE EVEN LOOKED AT PUTTING SEVERAL DIFFERENT SITES THROUGHOUT THE ROBSTOWN AREA. THAT I'M NEVER GOING TO GIVE UP. I LIKE TO THINK EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE TABLE AS FOR US HOW CAN WE IMPROVE MANAGEMENT, RUNNING OF THE FACILITY ? I THINK IF WE WERE TO DECIDE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE HEALTH SERVICES, WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, THEY MAY APPRECIATE SAYING, OH MY GOSH, YOU'RE GIVING US THIS RAINY PRESENT TO RUN WHERE IT IS A BRAND-NEW FACILITY. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THAT AND THEN WORKING WITH US ON THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT. SO I THINK THAT CAN BE IN TANDEM PARALLEL TRACK AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. ONE IS THE ESTIMATE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE ESTIMATING TIME? 12 OR 18 MONTHS? I'M THINKING OF A TOTALLY DIFFERENT NUMBER. WE HAVE A? FOR THIS ONE. >> FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. >> ANIMAL CARE CENTER. >> HE SHOULD PROBABLY. HE MIGHT GIVE US. >> HEY, COMMISSIONER. IT IS USUALLY A YEARS WORTH OF CONSTRUCTION. A LITTLE MORE. >> I THINK WITHIN THAT YEAR WE HAVE THE TOP DOWN. AND THEN WITHIN A YEAR THE BUILDING IS FINISHED. AND THEN MAYBE THE CITY SAYS IT IS FEASIBLE. THEY CAN ALSO BUDGET FOR. WE CAN BUDGET FOR IT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO STOP IT AND THEN WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION THAT CAN TAKE MONTHS. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M GOING TO CHANGE FROM A NOTE OF EXTENSION JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO BE REASONABLE. I KNOW WE NEED SOMETHING OUT THERE. I KNOW WE DO. I THINK IT COULD BE RUN DIFFERENTLY. FOR THE PARTNERSHIP. I DON'T WANT TO STOP THIS THING EITHER. WHAT I LIKE TO KNOW IS CAN I MAKE A MOTION OUT THAT SAYS WE ENGAGE IN FORMAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY? NOT COMMITTING ANYTHING, BUT JUST TO NOT HAVE A CASUAL CONVERSATION WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ON DOING. >> I THINK YOUR ITEM IS VERY SPECIFIC AND IT DOES NOT ABIDE FOR OTHER MATTERS TO BE INCLUDED INTO IT. AS SOMETIMES WE HAVE OTHER MATTERS. INCLUDED . >> THAT'S FAIR. I WILL JUST ASK THAT WE JUST RING IT UP IN THE NEXT MEETING. >> I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. HOPEFULLY PAGES LISTING. MAYBE JENNY IF YOU COULD GIVE HER THE WARNING THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE JUST TO DISCUSS THIS. I THINK WITH ALL THE ADVISORY BOARDS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THERE WAS A WHOLE BIG PICTURE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE A HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT. I THINK IT IS TIME WE DO IT. I DON'T DISAGREE. WE NEED A FACILITY OUT THERE. I REALLY DON'T. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASING AGENT TO PROCURE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR THE PROPOSED ANIMAL CARE CENTER THROUGH A REQUEST FOR COMPETITIVE SEALED BIDS? THAT IS ALL I NEEDED TO WORD IT CORRECTLY? >> YES. AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASING AGENT. >> AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE AGENT TO ALSO PUBLISH A NOTICE. >> AND ADOPT IN ORDER DELEGATE EVALUATION AUTHORITY TO A SELECTION COMMITTEE. >> OKAY. DID YOU GET THAT? ADOPT AN ORDER DELEGATING AN EVALUATION SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THESE WHEN THEY COME IN. YES. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? OR ALL THOSE -- >> THE LAST THING I WOULD MENTION JUST OF THE COURT IS AWARE THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP IS THE COUNTY ENGINEER AND COURT MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL SERVICES. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> WITH THIS BE OPEN TO A LOCAL BIDDER? >> IT IS OPEN TO ANY BIDDERS. [03:00:03] HERNANDEZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RESPOND BY SAYING AYE. >> ABSTAIN WITH EXPLANATION. >> FOUR AYE AND ONE ABSTAIN WITH EXPLANATION. THE MOTION PASSES. ON ITEM NUMBER 13 AND [13. Discuss and consider whether, pursuant to Texas Government Code, 551.0725, deliberation in an open meeting would have a detrimental effect on the position of the Commissioners Court with Banquete ISD in negotiating the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding between Banquete ISD and Nueces County to supply temporary school resource officer from American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding; and related matters.] [16. Discuss and consider agreement(s) with the following related to a School Safety Technology Project: a. Banquete Independent School District b. Bishop Independent School District c. Driscoll Independent School District d. West Oso Independent School District] 14 . ARE THOSE GOING TO BE BELONG TO EXECUTIVE ? >> YES. WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE. 13 AND 15 ARE ONLY THERE IF [14. Discuss and consider Memorandum of Understanding between Banquete ISD and Nueces County to supply temporary school resource officer from American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding.] [15. Discuss and consider whether, pursuant to Texas Government Code, 551.0725, deliberation in an open meeting would have a detrimental effect on the position of the Commissioners Court with Banquete ISD, Bishop ISD, Driscoll ISD, and West Oso ISD in negotiating the terms of the AT&T Agreements related to School Safety Technology from American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding; and related matters.] THE COURT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT PURELY CONTRACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS MATTERS IN EXECUTIVE . AS FAR AS GOOD FOR THE COUNTY, BAD FOR THE COUNTY. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN EXECUTIVE, YOU DON'T NEED TO THEY SHINE YOU CAN JUST PASS ON 13 AND 15. AND THEN THE DISCUSSIONS ON THOSE TWO MATTERS IN EXECUTIVE WOULD BE LIMITED TO SOLELY LEGAL QUESTIONS. >> 15 I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 15. BECAUSE AT& T, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO -- AND CONTRACT WITH AT&T AT ALL. >> SORRY. >> KAMAN, JENNY. YOU EXCITED. >> PART OF ME. >> YOU'RE CORRECT SIR. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT WE -- THE COUNTY -- GIVES THE MONEY TO THE ISDS AND THEY CONTRACT WITH AT&T. >> THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM. >> SO, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH 13 AND 15 HERE? AND MOVE 14 AND 16 TO EXECUTIVE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> YES. UNLESS YOU WANT TO TALK BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO STRICTLY THOSE OTHER TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE NOT LEGAL. >> I DIDN'T GET THE CONTRACT ON SOME OF THESE UNTIL YESTERDAY. I HAVEN'T READ THEM. FOR THAT REASON -- I DON'T SUPPORT IT BUT BECAUSE , I MEAN, I HAVEN'T READ THEM AT ALL. >> THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS. WE ARE CONSULTING WITH THE COURT GUIDANCE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. >> TO MEET WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IF WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION ON THIS. YOU GUYS DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT THIS MONEY FOR THE GIFT TO. I GET THERE IS AN ISSUE. I WOULD SAY WHICH ONE TO HAVE -- THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT CAME. >> YES. PRECINCT 5. >> BUT ON THIS AT&T STUFF, WE ARE BEING REAL SPECIFIC WITH IT. IF THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT. BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M PUTTING MY NON-TO ALLOCATE TO THE SCHOOLS FOR WHAT THEY WANT. IF THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT THAN OKAY. THERE IS A CONTINUING COST ON THIS. OR IF THEY JUST WANT US TO GIVE THEM A ONE-TIME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND LET THEM SPEND IT THE WAY THEY WANT TO SPEND IT , YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO THERE A WRENCH IN THIS. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHOSE ITEM THIS IS. IF THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING AND I AM OKAY WITH THAT. IS HAVEN'T READ THE CONTRACTS. AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I'M FIXING TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COURT DELEGATED A BUNCH TO THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO. THAT IS HOW I'M GOING TO GO ABOUT IS WHAT UP Y'ALL THINK I NEED FOR SCHOOL SAFETY, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS. THAT IS NOT AN EXECUTIVE DISCUSSION THING IN MY OPINION. >> KNOW. THE EXECUTIVE ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON HIS JUST THE LEGAL ISSUES. JUST THE LEGAL ISSUES . GO BACK UNLESS -- >> 13 AND 15 ARE ONLY THERE IF THE COURT DESIRES TO TALK ABOUT POLICY, GOOD BAD MONEY ONLY TYPE OF ISSUES. >> THAT IS WHAT I'M DOING OUT HERE. I HAVEN'T READ A CONTRACT. I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT BUILDING ON THAT. AND I JUST WANTED TO LET OUT THERE FOR WHOEVER'S DOING THE STUFF WITH AT&T SPECIFIC . IS IT BETTER TO STAY WITH THEM? LET THEM CHOOSE? I DON'T KNOW. WHATEVER EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO. I'M JUST GOING TO IDEA OUT. >> WE WENT THROUGH IN OUR MEETING WE WENT THERE THE CONTRACT PRETTY THOROUGHLY. ISN'T THIS ON NUMBER 13? THE ONE WE WENT THROUGH? >> 13 -- WELL, THERE ARE THINGS ON 13 REGARDING THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IN EXECUTIVE. >> WILL THIS PUT THESE INTO EXECUTIVE THEM FOR DISCUSSION? BELIEVE IT WAS A FORMER JUDGE THAT TOOK THE LEAD ON IT? >> WHICH ONE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BUTTONS OR THE [03:05:11] RESOURCE OFFICER? >> THE RESOURCE OFFICER. >> OKAY. THERE WAS A FULL ON A 45 MINUTE DISCUSSION BETWEEN ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM -- >> I THINK IT WAS THE FORMER JUDGE THAT WAS MEETING. THE WAY SHE WANTED THINGS TO BE DONE. >> THERE WAS A VOTE. A 5-0 VOTE. THAT IS WHAT I AM WANTING TO ADDRESS. >> WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. >> I GUESS MAYBE ONE AT A TIME. 13 IS DECIDING WHETHER WHEN YOU GO INTO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE? I DON'T HAVE ANY DESIRE TO DO THAT. THAT ONE IS JUST ON THERE AS A CAUTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS. I DON'T KNOW ANY TO DO THAT ONE. >> WE ARE ON THEIR TEAM. WE WILL DO 13. >> DO WE JUST PASS ON THAT ONE? NO ACTION. >> NO ACTION. THEN 14 IS >> EXECUTIVE. >> EXECUTIVE SESSION. 15 IS ANOTHER ONE. PASS. NO ACTION. >> AND 16 IS EXECUTIVE. >> YES. THANK YOU. >> AND THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE BACK UNDER EXECUTIVE TOO, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. I JUST MY NOTES. WHAT NUMBERS ARE 14 AND 16 ? >> SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER IS F IN EXECUTIVE. >> THEY ARE BOTH ON THERE. >> G FOR THE TECHNOLOGY. G IS THE TECHNOLOGY ITEM WHICH IS 16 . AND THEN F CORRESPONDS TO 14. [17. Discuss and consider ratification of agreement between U.S. Immigration and Customs, Enforcement and Local, County and State Law Enforcement Agency and Nueces County Sheriff's Department for reimbursement of costs incurred by the Sheriff's Department in their participation in the program with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI); and related matters.] >> 16 IS GOING TO EXACT. >> NOW WE ARE ON NUMBER 17. DISCUSS RATIFICATION OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND NUECES COUNTY SHARES DEPARTMENT FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF COSTS INCURRED BY THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT IN THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM WITH HOMELAND SECURITY. THERE IS NO COST TO THE COUNTY . HOMELAND SECURITY REIMBURSES THIS COST. CORRECT? >> JENNY, IT MEETS ALL THE -- YOU LOOK AT IT? >> EVERY THING IS FINE? >> WE REVIEWED THIS ONE. IT IS A RATIFICATION. WE PROVIDED A DOCUMENT I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE ATTACHED . SINCE THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THE COMMISSION TO SIGN ON THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WE PROVIDED A DOCUMENT. >> THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ORDER. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS ORDER ? OR ADOPT? I GUESS. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. TO ACCEPT THE RATIFICATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN U.S. CUSTOMS [18. Discuss and consider acceptance and approval of Progressive Insurance’s offer of settlement for Nueces County's "total loss" property damage claim associated with an October 17, 2022 incident involving a Nueces County Constable Precinct 4 vehicle; authorize the County Judge and/or other appropriate County official to execute all documents as necessary in order to complete this settlement transaction; and related matters.] [19. Discuss and consider approval of the supplemental engagement letter dated December 29, 2022 with Doug Chaves of Chaves, Obregon, & Perales LLC to represent Nueces County as co-counsel in providing legal services related to San Patricio/Nueces County boundary dispute and tax legislation.] [20. Discuss and consider approval of the fifth supplemental engagement letter dated December 28, 2022 with Craig Enoch and his firm Enoch Kever PLLC to provide legal services related to San Patricio/Nueces County boundary dispute and tax legislation.] WITH THE LOCAL SHERIFF DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR REIMBURSEMENT ON THEIR COST. NUMBER 18, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACCEPTANCE AND APPROVAL OF AGGRESSIVE INSURANCES OFFER OF SETTLEMENT . IS THAT OUT HERE I GUESS? >> WE CAN GIVE YOU DETAILS IN A SECOND. >> IS SO WE WANT TO MOVE THIS TO EXECUTIVE? >> YES. >> 18, 19, AND 20 OH GO TO [21. Discuss and consider next Commissioners Court meeting date, and related matters.] EXECUTIVE? >> OKAY. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ABOUT TO HEAD INTO THIS. 21. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER NEXT COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING DATE AND RELATED MATTERS. >> THE NEXT MEETING TO ME WAS A WORKSHOP FOR THE 23RD. >> THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A MEETING AGENDA IN ORDER FOR US TO DO AN ACTION ITEM TO VOTE ON IT. >> SPECIAL MEETING. AND THE REGULAR MEETING WILL BE ON THE EIGHTH, RIGHT? 9:00 A.M. BOTH AT 9:00 A.M. >> AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM PLUS THE ONE [03:10:03] IN CASE I NEED IT. YOU CAN POST THAT ITEM. >> IN CASE THE DUNES ARE READY. >> RIGHT. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION. THE MEETING? SPECIAL MEETING ON MONDAY. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 21 IS GOING TO BE SET FOR A 1:00 MEETING SO THAT -- AND 23 -- 22 AND 23 ARE BOTH PART OF THAT 1:00 MEETING. SO WE WILL GO INTO SECTION B , PUBLIC WORKS. >> 23 IS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, RIGHT? >> NO. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW I GOT IT. >> IS AT 1:00 OR 9:00 FOR THE MEETING? >> 1:00 THIS AFTERNOON FIRST. >> WE MAY NOT NEED A SPECIAL MEETING DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO AT 1:00. I GUESS WE WILL. OKAY. I AM NOT SURE HOW. 23 SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON HERE. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ONTO THE NEXT. FOR THE 1:00 PARKS. UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC ON THAT [23. Discuss and consider the Santa Maria drainage project and related matters. ] ONE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT THAT ON THERE. SORRY. OKAY. >> SO, 23 THERE IS NO ACTION ON? YOU DIDN'T WANT TO? >> JUST MOTION TO TABLE TO BE OFFICIAL I GUESS. I MEANT TO HAVE IT DISCUSSED IN A BIG PICTURE ISSUE. >> WELL, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS AFTERNOON. >> RIGHT. IT IS ON THAT. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. >> WHO SECONDED? >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ TABLED IT. >> THAT IS TABLED [1. Authorize award and execution of agreement with CLK Architects & Associates for RFQ 3216-22 Architectural Services for Nueces County Medical Examiners Facility.] INDIFFERENTLY. BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION. >> OKAY. PUBLIC WORKS. AUTHORIZE AWARD AND EXECUTION OF AGREEMENT WITH C OKAY ARCHITECTS AND ASSOCIATES FOR DASH 22. SERVICES FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINERS. >> JUDGING COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE IS RECOMMENDING THE AWARD AND EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT WITH C OKAY ARCHITECTS IN NUECES COUNTY FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINERS FACILITY. WHAT THIS INCLUDES INCLUDES THE NEW FACILITY FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINERS AND ALSO THE RENOVATIONS FOR THE EXISTING FACILITY. WE ARE RECOMMENDING. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'M SORRY, WHAT? THE COST IS ON THERE. I SAW IT. >> 848,000 $453. >> AND THAT IS FOR ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING? ARCHITECTURAL, ENGINEERING, ADMINISTRATION, THIS IS A TURNKEY PROJECT. >> WHAT DID REFUND THAT FOR? $7 MILLION? IT IS ABOUT 11 OR 12% OF THE COST. WE THINK EVEN WITH THIS THIS WILL STILL COME IN WITHIN THE $7 MILLION. WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING? >> YES HER. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING . YES HER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO PROCEED WITH THIS. >> YOU DON'T THINK THAT IS HIGH? >> NORMALLY, COMMISSIONER, THIS INVOLVES MECHANICAL ENGINEERING, ELECTRICAL, I'M SORRY. MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, CIVIL, AND SCAPE, IT HAS A BUNCH OF OTHER DISCIPLINES OF ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING. >> AM ASKING DO YOU THINK THAT SOUNDS HIGH? >> KNOW. I GET IT. LET'S DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. >> CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. >> WHAT IS THE FUNDING SOURCE ON THIS? >> 2021. >> AND WE HAVE THAT ALLOCATED AND FREE TO GO? >> WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHECK. WE MIGHT ALREADY HAVE IT ALLOCATED BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING IT. >> THEY WILL LOOK INTO IT SO WE HAVE THE FUNDS. >> ASSUMING, I GUESS, THAT THEY WERE FUNDED -- I REMEMBER [03:15:06] THAT WE SET IT WAS BUT I WANT TO FIND IT ON THE RECORD . >> YEAH, THE FUNDING SOURCE IS -- >> >> TERESA HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. >> TERESA, YES, MA'AM. DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT? SORRY. >> YES, JUDGE. IT IS AVAILABLE FROM THE ALLOCATED BALANCE IN THE EXAMINERS PROJECT, AND ALL OTHER FUNDS HAVE BEEN REALLOCATED. SO THIS IS THE REMAINING OF THAT 2021 CL BUDGET AND IT IS SHORT ABOUT $2700 THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME UNALLOCATED. >> WAIT, SO THIS COMES -- SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? I AM SORRY, TERESA, I CAUGHT YOU AT 27? >> THERE IS A REMAINING BUDGET OF $845,607 FROM THE $4 MILLION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR THE FACILITY. WE HAVE REALLOCATED EVERYTHING BUT THE 845 SO THAT THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO USE. >> OKAY. AND WE ARE USING TRANS WEIGHT FUNDS. >> THANK YOU, CONNIE. >> ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. >> ALL RIGHT. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DID WE ALREADY VOTE ON THAT? A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> I SECOND IT. HE MADE THE MOTION AND I SECOND IT. >> >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ MADE THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY SECONDED IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RESPOND WITH AYE. >> AYE. >> THE MOTION PASSES FOR YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. >> JUDGE, IT GOT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK AND AMEND ONE OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE. THE DISSOLVING OF THE NCDC. WE WE NEED TO DISSOLVE THE DEPARTMENT AS OF. >> THAT IS WHY EXPLAINED WHEN FIRST CAME BACK IN. ONCE ALL THOSE EXPENSES HAVE BEEN PROCESSED, THAT IS WHEN IT WILL BE ELIMINATED. >> OKAY. I MESSED THAT UP. YOU THINK THAT IS COVERED IN THE MOTION THAT WE MADE? >> YES. >> AS LONG AS IT IS ON THE RECORD ONCE THE EXPENSES ARE [2. Discuss and consider Hazel Bazemore Park New Restroom Building funding source; Discuss and consider making a finding for the method of procurement (request for competitive bids) for Hazel Bazemore Park New Restroom Building; and authorize the Purchasing Agent to publish a notice.] LAID OUT. >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER THE DISCUSSING -- DISCUSS AND CONSIDER HAZEL BAZEMORE PARK NEW RESTROOM BUILDING FUNDING SOURCE. >> WE ARE RECOMMENDING OR LOOKING AT USING THE 1150 WAIVERS AND MONIES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. >> I THINK THIS PRODUCT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERED. >> >> ARPA FUNDS. IT IS ALREADY -- >> 1150 FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE WHEN YOU DO IT BECAUSE 1150 WAS STRICTLY TO PROVIDE SERVICES THAT I DON'T THINK IT IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. >> THE THING, COMMISSIONER, WAS THAT WE HAD TALKED TO , AT THAT TIME, IT WAS NOT DR. DANTE, BUT RODRIGUEZ TO SEE IF WE COULD PUT IN STRUCTURED TRAINING EQUIPMENT THROUGHOUT THE PARK SO THAT WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE GRANT WAS FOR OBESITY AND ALL OF THESE OTHER KINDS OF DEALS, SO WE WERE PROPOSING , JUST FOR 1151, THAT WE USE IT AS A STATION SO THAT PEOPLE WHO RUN THROUGH THE PARK OR USE THE PLAYGROUNDS AND GO IN THERE CAN CHANGE. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE, I THINK, IF WE ALLOW THINGS TO GO THAT ROUTE -- >> I THINK WE ARE SAFER JUST -- IF WE CAN JUST STAY WITH ARPA . AND THEN, IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND USE THE WAIVER, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, BUT, I MEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT ONE THING AND YOU TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE HAVE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. [03:20:03] >> WELL, IF WE CAN DO IT WITH THE ARPA -- >> >> YES. WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS AND WE CANNOT PUT LIKE, WE WANT TO USE THE FUNDING SOURCE. TALKING ABOUT THE 1115 WAIVER, THEY ARE NOT RESTRICTIVE, BUT IT IS BETTER THAT WE USE IT FOR HEALTH-RELATED MATTERS. >> I AM JUST SAYING THAT THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT FOR, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING CLEAR . >> YES, THAT IS WHAT WE WERE TOLD. IT IS STRICTLY POLICY ON HOW YOU WANT TO USE THAT BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO USE THAT. 1115 REINFORCED MONIES HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE. THAT IS WHAT WE GOT. >> SO WE CAN USE THE LEVEL OF 15 WAIVER MONEY FOR THIS? >> I WOULD SAY -- >> IF IT IS AVAILABLE AND ALLOWED. >> YOU CAN'T USE THE OTHER FUNDS, YOU KNOW? I WOULD RATHER USE THE OTHER FUNDS. THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THE 1115 WAIVER. >> SO, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, YOUR MOTION WOULD BE TO -- >> TO LOOK FOR OTHER FUNDS, I GUESS. WE ARE NOT USING THE 1115 WAIVER, ARE WE? >> THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION. >> WHAT A HERE SUBJECT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT THE FUNDS ARE ABSOLUTELY AVAILABLE FOR THIS. OKAY. >> WE CANNOT USE IT WITHIN THE ARPA RPG? >> CAN WE AT LEAST GET THE PERMISSION TO ADVERTISE ONCE WE GET THAT SETTLED? >> SURE. >> WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS. >> WILL MOVE. >> SO, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. ARPA. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED SAY MAMA NAY. . NUMBER THREE, -- >> JUDGE? JUDGE, A COUPLE OF ITEMS. >> OH, THERE ARE ANOTHER PART. REQUESTING AUTHORIZATION FOR A METHOD OF PROCUREMENT TO REQUEST FOR BIDS FOR THE HAZEL BASIL MORE PARK. THIS IS FOR THE RESTROOMS. >> OH, YEAH. >> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ . >> SECOND. >> SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS JUST FOR THE PURCHASING AGENT TO MOVE FORWARD? >> >> I WANT TO MENTION IS I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH JUAN ON THIS PROCEDURE AND THEY HAVE NEW PROJECTS TO BRING TO THE COURT THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH GETTING THE FUNDING APPROVED AND IN THE SAME STROKE, GETTING APPROVAL FOR WHAT ARGUMENT WE WANT TO USE AND THAT HELPS US HIT THE GROUND A LITTLE FASTER. AND SO THAT IS WHY YOU WILL START TO SEE THESE ITEMS IN TWO PARTS. >> TWO PARTS ON THEM APPROACH, YEAH. >> IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE LOBE A METHOD THAT WE WANT TO USE ON CONSTRUCTION SO IF WE WILL APPROVE THIS, WE WILL BE DOING THE SAME THING ON NUMBER THREE WITH THE TWO-PART PROCESS AS WELL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> >> THREE ITEMS? >> REQUESTS AND AUTHORIZE A PUBLISH NOTICE. YES. WE HAVE ALREADY DONE A FUNDING SOURCE AND ALLOW THAT VOTE NOW WE ARE REQUESTING WE HAVE TO DO A VOTE FOR REQUESTING COMPETITIVE BID AND WE HAVE A MOTION BY ARPA SECONDED BY HERNANDEZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THEN, THE THIRD NOTION WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE A PURCHASING AGENT TO PUBLISH THE NOTICE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. TO HAVE A MOTION? EMOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RESPOND WITH AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR POINTING OUT THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS IN THERE . >> AND I WILL REACH OUT TO KENNY CLERK AND SEE WHAT IS THE [03:25:01] BEST WAY TO WORK THIS BUT TYPICALLY, WHEN Y'ALL MAKE THIS MOTION , WHEN I ONLY BRING IT BY MYSELF, IT IS ONLY ONE MOTION. MAYBE I SHOULD USE THE COMMENTS AND ADD A SEMICOLON [3. Discuss and consider approving a funding source for Hazel Bazemore Splash Pad Project Precinct #1; and approving a finding for the method of procurement (request for competitive bids) for Hazel Bazemore Splash Pad Project Precinct #1; and authorize the Purchasing Agent to publish a notice.] TO DESIGNATE THAT SO IT IS NOT LOOK LIKE IT IS SEPARATE. >> AND ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A FUNDING SOURCE FOR HAZEL BAZEMORE SPLASH PAD PROJECT PRECINCT 1 . AND APPROVE A FINDING FOR -- WELL, I THINK FOR NUMBER ONE WE NEED TO DISCUSS. THE SPLASH PAD. >> WILL BE THE SAME SCENARIO. >> WILL BE THE SAME, SO FOR NUMBER ONE, WE APPROVE FUNDING FOR IT AND AUTHORIZE A PURCHASING AGENT AND WE HAVE TO DO THREE SEPARATE NOTIONS FOR THIS , YOU WERE SAYING AGAIN , KARA? >> THE WAY HE WORDS IT. >> >> IN A MOTION, AND A SECOND MOTION WHEN YOU APPROVE THE FUNDING FOR THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT AMOUNT JUST APPROVED THAT AND AUTHORIZE -- JUST AT IT IN THE MOTION, THE AUTHORIZATION . THAT WOULD BE EASIER. >> OKAY. >> JUST DO THE ONE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE FUNDING. >> THE FIRST ONE IS APPROVING FUNDING FOR THE SPLASH PAD PROJECT PRECINCT 1 . >> JUDGE, WE REQUEST TO BE A SIMILAR MOTION TO THE PREVIOUS ONE. >> THE SAME ONE. >> WE GET THE ARPA FUNDING OR THE WAIVER. YES. >> THE 1115 WAIVER SO IT WILL BE WORDED THE SAME WAY THAT WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. A SECOND? A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I. >> AYE. >> THE FIRST PART OF THAT MOTION HAS GONE NOW WE NEED TO APPROVE A METHOD OF PROCUREMENT LESS WE REQUEST FOR COMPETITIVE BID . SO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR -- AND AUTHORIZE PURCHASE -- I CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE AND NOW. I CAN DO ALL THAT. A METHOD OF PROCUREMENT FOR COMPETITIVE BID AND AN AUTHORIZATION FOR PURCHASING AGENT TO PUBLISH A NOTICE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. A SECOND. A SECOND. THANK YOU, ARPA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED MY SAME SIGN. AND WE WILL WORK ON THE WORDING OF THAT NEXT TIME. MOVING ON TO PURCHASING. >> OKAY. [1. Discuss and consider conditional selection of Priestly Farms for IFB No. 3219-22 School Land for Lease, Jim Wells and Live Oak Counties.] >> ITEM NUMBER ONE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CONDITIONAL SELECTION OF PRIESTLY FARMS AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE BIT TURNED IN, I UNDERSTAND, ON THIS. >> THAT IS CORRECT. WE DID A BID OPENING AND NOTIFIED THE FOLKS. WE HAD 16 FOLKS DOWNLOAD THE BED. ONLY ONE BIDDER HAD PROVIDED A BID. THAT BETTER IS OUR CURRENT PROVIDER, WHICH IS PRIESTLY FARMS. THEY WORK WITH IT TEXAS AGGRO LIFE EXTENSION AND HE RECOMMENDS APPROVING . WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASED FROM THE LAST TIME AND I RECOMMEND APPROVAL. SO I WILL MOVE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THE AMOUNT IS $97,000 PER MONTH. >> IT IS $97,000 AND $70 . SO THE TOTAL IS GOING TO BE 14 $85,350. IT IS INDICATED ON THE ATTACHMENT. [2. Discuss and consider rejecting all bids for RFP No. 3200-22 Jail Transport Services; and authorize the Purchasing Agent to publish a new notice pursuant to Texas Local Government Code 262.027(a)(2).] >> IT WAS SIDEWAYS, SORRY. I DO NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REJECTING ALL BIDS FOR THE JAIL TRANSPORT SERVICES AND IT SAYS, REJECTING ALL BIDS, BUT IT ALSO ADDED IN HERE THAT NO BIDS WERE RECEIVED. SO WE ARE NOT REJECTING ANYTHING. >>'S LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE STATUTE IS THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REJECT ALL BIDS AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? THAT IS A MECHANISM YOU HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO GET TO STEP TWO, WHICH IS ALLOWING ME TO PUBLISH ANOTHER NOTICE TO GET BIDDERS ON THIS. >> SO, I MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> I WILL WORK WITH THE [3. Discuss and consider rejecting all bids for RFP No. 3207-22 Farmland for Lease - County Airport 119.91 acres; and authorize the Purchasing Agent to publish a new notice pursuant to Texas Local Government Code 262.027(a)(2).] SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SEE IF WE CAN RECTIFY THIS AND GET A BIT [03:30:01] ON THINGS THE NEXT GO AROUND. >> ITEM NUMBER THREE IS SIMILAR. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER EJECTING ALL BIDS FOR FARMLAND FOR LEASE COUNTY AIRPORT UNDER 119.91 ACRES. AND AUTHORIZE YOU TO PUBLISH A NEW NOTICE. >> CORRECT. THIS IS ANOTHER CASE WHERE WE HAD NO BIDDERS. THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT BY THE AIRPORT. THE CURRENT TENANT HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE RAINS THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS DID NOT WISH TO REBID SO I WILL WORK WITH THE TEXAS AIRLINE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THERE ARE SOME PUBLICATIONS WE CAN USE TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THE FARMING COMMUNITY. >> MOVED TO MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. [4. Discuss and consider conditional selection for RFQ No. 3221-22 Architectural Services for Infrastructure Projects (ARPA).] >> ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CONDITIONAL SELECTION FOR RFQ, ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. >> SO I WANT TO PASS YOU OUT THE SCORING SHEET. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. SO THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE FOUR PUZZLES. WE NOTIFIED 1000 FOLKS AND 53 DOWNLOADED AND FOUR PROVIDED PROPOSALS. THE COMMITTEE WHICH WAS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ADMINISTRATION MANAGER . THEY WERE RECOMMENDING CONDITIONAL SELECTION TO LET THE PLLC AND ASSOCIATES INC. . >> WILL BE TWO OF THEM? >> THIS IS TO CREATE A POOL OF FOLKS THAT WE CAN UTILIZE ON FUTURE ARBOR PROJECTS. >> SO ARE YOU WANTING TO PICK MORE THAN ONE? >> WE ARE RECOMMENDING TWO? >> YES. LEVI AND -- >> IN THAT WAY, IT MEETS THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS? >> DISQUALIFIES THEM IN AND AS PROJECTS GET IDENTIFIED, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WHEN WHAT WE ARE READY TO DO WORK TO APPROVE THOSE INDIVIDUAL WORK AUTHORIZATIONS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR , RESPOND BY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THE [5. Discuss and consider conditional selection for RFQ No. 3220-22 Engineering Services for Infrastructure Projects (ARPA).] MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ONE. YES. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS DISCUSSING OR CONSIDERING CONDITIONAL SELECTION FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, ARPA. THIS IS ANOTHER SCORING SHEET. >> MOVE PASSAGE OF THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE TWO. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE PASSAGE OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> A SECOND. ALSO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RESPOND BY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED, SAME SIGN. >> WHO WAS THE ELECTED THREE ON THAT ONE, MICHAEL? >> TWO. >> TWO. >> THE TWO RECOMMEND H R FREESE AND NICHOLS, INC. AND HANSON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, INC . I THINK IT IS REALLY COMPELLING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I AM GLAD THEY SCORED WELL, BUT THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE GROUPS THAT WE PICKED TODAY WERE LOCAL AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. I KNOW EVERYBODY THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT SO IT IS GREAT AND I AM GLAD THAT IT WORKED OUT AND THAT THEY SCORED HIGH ENOUGH TO BE THAT WAY, BUT AM GLAD THAT THEY WERE LOCAL AS WELL. >> THAT IS REALLY GREAT. >> HAVE THEY SELECTED THREE OR TWO? WHATEVER? >> ANY NUMBER COULD BE SELECTED. THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON ITEM ONE CAN SPEAK TO WHY THEY WERE RECOMMENDED TOO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT. >> I LIKE HAVING ONE. >> I WOULD THINK MAYBE THREE. [03:35:02] SELECTION COMMITTEES, THOSE ARE RECOGNITION TO THE COURT, BUT THE COURT STILL HAS THE OPTION TO DO SOMETHING ELSE OR ADD. >> RIGHT. >> WE CAN REOPEN AGAIN, ANYWAY. >> YEAH. IF WE ALSO DETERMINED AT A LATER DATE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET ADDITIONAL FOLKS QUALIFIED IN, WE COULD PUBLISH A NEW NOTICE AT THAT POINT. I WILL COME TO THE COURT NOW WITH THAT PERMISSION. >> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE ON THE POOL. >> YEAH. REALLY SMALL POOL. [6. Discuss and consider making a finding for the method of procurement (request for proposals) for Administration of Nueces County Colonia Self Help Program; authorize the Purchasing Agent to publish a notice; and adopt an order delegating evaluation authority to a selection committee.] >> ITEM NUMBER SIX. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER MAKING A FINDING OR THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT FOR ADMINISTRATION OF THE NUECES COUNTY COLONIA SELF HEALTH PROGRAM. AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASING AGENT TO PURCHASE A NOTICE AND ADOPT AN ORDER DELEGATING EVALUATION AUTHORITY TO A SELECTION COMMITTEE. >> SO, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS. I WAS ASKED AT THE LAST MINUTE TO ADD THIS AGENDA ITEM . >> WHAT IS IT? SELF-HELP PROGRAM. >> SO WE HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE 500,000 FOR THE SELF-HELP CENTERS THAT COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. WE JUST NEED TO GO OUT TO REQUEST AN ASSISTANT TO MANAGE THE PROJECT. >> THE GRANT IS GOING TO -- -- >> 500,000? >> IT WAS GIVEN A TOTAL OF $500,000 AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS AT 75,000? >> RIGHT. TO ADD TO THAT, IS ABOUT $60-$75,000 WHICH IS A MANAGEMENT AMOUNT. >> SAY THAT AGAIN? >> $60-$75,000, WHICH IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE GRANT. SO THE GRANT IS $500,000, BUT AS WE USE MONICA WE CAN APPLY FOR MORE. >> SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE BUILDING SOMETHING? >> SO WE ARE PILOTING A MANAGEMENT GROUP. AND PART OF IT IS WE'RE GOING TO LEND TOOLS OUT. SO IT IS GOING TO BE A TOOL LIBRARY. PART OF IS IS WE ARE GOING TO DO ELECTION EDUCATIONAL TRAINING. SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS. SO WE ARE GOING TO PICK -- BECAUSE IT IS ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT, WE ARE GOING TO PICK MAYBE FIVE HOMES WE ARE GOING TO LOOK RENOVATING THE INTERIORS OF THOSE HOMES. SO IT MAY BE BATHROOMS. IT MAY BE A KITCHENETTE. IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES DO. SO, THE MANAGER WILL GO OUT AND THEY WERE CONTRACT SOME GROUP TO COME IN AND MAKE THOSE RENOVATIONS TO THOSE HOMES. >> NO, GO AHEAD. >> I AM SAYING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SELF-HELP COLONIA . THAT WE PICKED. WE CAN TRAIN AND HELP ANYBODY BUT THE PROGRAM WE HAVE SCHEDULED. AND FOUR YEARS, WE CAN MOVE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. >> WHY DO WE NEED TO PAY SOMEONE OUT TO DO THIS? WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY? IN OTHER WORDS, I WANT TO SPEND AS MUCH OF THE MONEY THAT I CAN HELPING PEOPLE, SO WHY ARE WE DOING IT THIS WAY? >> WELL, IN ESSENCE WE ARE DOING IT THIS WAY -- WE CAN DO IT ANY WHICH WAY WE CAN. SOME COUNTIES ARE DOING IT WHERE IT IS ALL STAFF. SOME ARE DOING A HYBRID WERE THERE PUSHING A PRIMARY ENTITY AND THEM. AND THERE ARE SOME WHO JUST FORM IT ALL OUT. THE REASON IS, WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER. I AM ALREADY SLICED. MY TIME IS SLICED AS MUCH AS IT IS AND WE WILL BE HELPING, DEPENDING ON WHO APPLIES FOR THIS. SO THE GROUP THAT APPLIES FOR THIS, WE DON'T WANT THE PROGRAM TO FAIL. ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THE COUNTY WILL TAKE OVER THE LENDING LIBRARY. SO THE PROGRAM WILL BY, LIKE SAWS, DRILLS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND WE WILL HOLD ONTO THEM. SO YOU CALL US IF YOU WANT A MOELLER OR SOMETHING. WE WILL TAKE IT OUT TO YOU AND WE WILL LET YOU USE IT. BUT, HOPEFULLY, THE COMPANY FOR THE GRANT OR WHOEVER WINS THIS DEAL WILL HAVE THE RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT. IT MADE AN UP AS A HYBRID UNTIL WE FIND WHO BIDS. >> WHAT YOU ARE TALKING $65-$75,000 TO START WITH? >> YES, SIR. >> WE NEED AN ADMINISTRATOR OR $65,000-$75,000? >> NO. >> SO HOW WOULD THIS PERSON OR PERSONS COMPANY GET PAID BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE, RIGHT? I HAVE PROBLEMS [03:40:02] WITH ALL OF THE WAY WE ARE DOING GRANT AND PAYING PERCENTAGES TO PEOPLE SO I'M DOES NOT PICKING ON YOU. I GOT ANOTHER ONE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT INDUSTRY LITTLE BIT ON HOW WE DO THAT ONE TOO. I DON'T LIKE PAYING PEOPLE BIG CHUNKS OF MONEY THAT WE COULD USE TO SPEND ON THE PEOPLE WE ARE TRYING TO HELP, RIGHT? I KNOW YOU ARE TOO , SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF TELL ME HOW WOULD YOU LIKE, STRUCTURE THIS? WOULD YOU MAKE IT A PERCENTAGE OF THE GRANT? >> BASICALLY, THAT IS THE FLAT RATE THAT WE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH THEM. SO 60,000 IS THE BEST WE CAN DO. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN -- >> $60,000 IS THE BEST THAT THEY CAN MAKE? >> MAXED AMOUNT. >> THE SORT OF MAXED AMOUNT. >>'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY'S , SOME NONPROFIT THAT IS ALREADY MAKING MONEY IN THE VALLEY. YOU WOULD THINK THAT THERE IS A LIMIT OR A CAP AT $75,000 FOR ANY RENOVATION FOR HOMES, WELL, IN THE VALLEY, THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITIES, IT GOES TO $80,000 OR $90,000 TO DO IT. THEY PUT IN THE EXTRA AMOUNT. SO THAT IS THE TYPE OF SYNERGY THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. IS MORE INTENDED FOR A NONPROFIT TO HELP THE RURAL COMMUNITY. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY SET UP FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE MONEY. >> AGAIN, WE ARE ALSO PARTNERING WITH DELMAR COLLEGE, MAYBE. SINCE THEY HAVE THOSE KINDS OF PROGRAMS GOING. >> YES, SIR. >> THAT WILL HELP AND THOSE COMPANIES THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. >> HAVE A QUESTION. I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE. $60,000 IS TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO RUN THE PROGRAM? >> YES, SIR. MENACED THE PROGRAM. >> MANAGE THE PROGRAM. $65,000 TO IT IS A CONTRACT BASIS. BUT WHAT KIND OF SCALE ARE YOU GOING TO USE TO SHOW THAT THAT PERSON ACTUALLY USED -- IS DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ? AT WHAT LEVEL? AT WHAT SCALE BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE ASKING FOR THEIR -- >> WELL, THAT PERSON -- WE HAVE METRICS. ESSENTIALLY, IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE 250 PEOPLE COME IN AND CHECKING WITH TOOLS FROM THE LIBRARY. THE ONLY THING -- THE BIGGEST PORTION OF IT IS GOING TO THE HOUSE REMODEL. >> REMODEL. >> RIGHT. IT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING, AS A COMMISSIONER SAID, WHAT THE MONEY TO GO. >> WHERE IS THE LIBRARY GOING TO BE AT? >> RIGHT NOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT BANQUETE . THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GIVE US SPACE, BUT AS THE COMMISSIONER SAID, IF WE BUILD OUT THAT SPACE TO PROVIDE A BUILDING FOR US TO WORK OUT OF, THE PROBLEM IS NOW, WE TAKE IN SOME OF THE PROGRAM AND INSTEAD OF USING IT FOR THE PEOPLE, WE ARE USING IT TO BUILD OUT THE SPACE. AND NOW WE ARE STUCK IN THAT SPACE. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND FOUR YEARS IN THAT AREA AND MAYBE MOVE OVER TO BISHOP AND USE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THERE AND WE WILL SPEND FOUR YEARS IN THAT AREA. SO IT TAKES A LOT OF WORKING WITH LOCAL PARTNERS IN THAT AREA. SO, IN THIS SCENARIO, MAYBE THE COMPANY THAT WE GET LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITIES, WORKS OUT IN CORPUS. THEY WON'T NEED A SATELLITE OFFICE , BUT HE WILL NEED A COMPUTER LAB TO HELP TRAINING. >> SO, I KNOW COMMISSIONER HAS A POINT ABOUT SPENDING MONEY, BUT SAY FOR INSTANCE WE GET A TRADER LIKE THE ONE WE HAD BEFORE, RIGHT? DONATED. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN USE FOR THE BASE OFFICE? OR A BASE? >> DEFINITELY, COMMISSIONER. DEFINITELY. >> GOOD MODEL FOR OUR PROGRAM. >> YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORK ON IT. >> YES. >> >> OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD? >> WILL HAD WITH YOUR QUESTION. I'M SORRY. >> ARE GOING TO GO AND BUY OR RENT? BECAUSE , YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PLACE TO KEEP THEM, SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? [03:45:01] >> WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUY THE TOOLS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT USING THE COUNTY ASSETS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT JUST FOR THIS PROGRAM. >> >> WE WILL KEEP IT AT THE COUNTY YARD. IT DEPENDS ON THE GROUP WHO WE GET. THEY WILL HAVE THE FACILITIES. IF THEY DON'T, WE CAN KEEP IT IN THE COUNTY YARD AND CHECK IT IN AND OUT AND SUCCESS IN AND OUT AND THAT IS WHAT THE PLAN IS. >> SO NOW, -- >> SO JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS JUST STEP ONE. GETTING COMMISSION AND OMISSION TO ACCEPT THE POLLS AND WHEN THE POLLS COME BACK IN, THE COMMITTEE WILL REVIEW THOSE PROPOSALS AND BRING THE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE COURT FOR SELECTION OR A DECISION TO REJECT ALL BUSINESSES . WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION. THIS SELECTION COMMITTEE WILL BE THE COMMISSIONERS OR THE MINISTRATION MANAGER, THE GRANT ADMINISTRATOR AND COMMUNITY -- >> DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ AND A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AND THIS IS ALL IN ONE MOTION AND WE ARE DOING THE WHOLE THING IN ONE? YES? JUST ONE. THOSE IN FAVOR, ALLSTATE AYE, PLEASE. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. IT IS NOW 1:02 AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO START ANOTHER ITEM, BUT I'D LIKE TO TAKE A 30 MINUTE RECESS FOR LUNCH RAY QUICKLY. SOME OF US HAVE NOT EATEN ANYTHING. WE CAN COME BACK AT 1:30 AND START WITH OUR 1:00 AGENDA. CAN WE DO AN EXECUTIVE DECISION AT LUNCH? WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT. LUNCH IS BROUGHT IN FOR US. >> DO WE DO A SECOND SESSION? >> WE ARE GOING BACK TO -- >> NEXT MEETING, WE WILL BE READY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO [4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.] DO IT IN HERE. >> OH, FOR EXECUTIVE. THERE ARE NO ITEMS IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS ALREADY NOTICED ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO YOU JUST GO WITH THAT NORMAL. >> THE NORMAL? THE TOP OF ALL OF THE LIST? OKAY. IT IS 1:03 AND WE ARE MOVING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. PUBLIC NOTICE IS GIVEN. COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO A EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS MATTERS AND WERE ON THE AGENDA WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT CHAPTER 501 FROM A TEXAS MEETING CODE. TO THE EXTENT, THERE HAS BEEN A PAST PRACTICE OF DISTINGUISHING ITEMS FOR PUBLIC DELIBERATION AND FOR THOSE THE PUBLIC DID SESSION, THE COURT IS DEPARTED FROM THAT PRACTICE AND RESERVES THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS ANY LISTED ITEM BY AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO DO SO. IN THE EVENT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT COLLECTS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING AGENDA ITEMS, THE SESSIONS OF THE MEETINGS ACT AUTHORIZES THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE PUBLIC ANNOUNCE BY THE WRITING OFFICER. >> OH. >> MY DONE? ARE YOU STOPPING ME? >> WHAT ABOUT ON THE 1:00 , JUST SO I AM CLEAR, THE ONE THAT WAS SET FOR THE 1:00 FOR CDBG , YOU HAVE CONVENED AT WHAT YOU ARE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE FIRST? >> JUST SO WE CAN HAVE LUNCH INTO THE WORKING AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT IS JUST 30 MINUTES, YES, AND WE WILL GET BACK OUT TO Y'ALL. I AM SORRY. I KNOW WE SAID WELL BUT IF YOU COULD JUST BEAR WITH US JUST A LITTLE BIT. YES. SO DO I NEED TO FINISH READING THIS? >> 551.074, 501.0745, 551.076, 551.078 , THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS INCLUDING MATTERS TO LITIGATION, DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, PROSPECTIVE GIFTS, PERSONAL MATTERS INCLUDING TERMINATION, COUNTY ADVISORY BODIES, SECURITY DEVICES AND OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN AN EXECUTIVE DISCUSSION. UPON DELETION OF THE EXECUTIVE DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY HAVE AN OPEN SCRATCH TO TAKE SUCH ACTION ON ITEMS DISCUSSED IN THE EXECUTIVE DISCUSSION. ITEM A, CONSULT [03:50:03] WITH AN ATTORNEY REGARDING LEGAL MATTERS RELATING TO SANTA MARIA DRAINAGE PROJECT AND RELATED MENARDS . ITEM -- THAT DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER AFTER IT. >> IT DOESN'T, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS TABLED IN OPEN. >> OKAY. CONSULT WITH AN ITEM BE. CONSULT WITH MATTER ATTORNEY REGARDING LEGAL MATTERS AND ACCEPTANCE AND APPROVAL OF INSURANCE OFFERS FOR TOTAL LOSS PROPERTY DAMAGE CLAIM. ASSOCIATED WITH OCTOBER 17, 2022 INCIDENT REGARDING AN NUECES COUNTY VEHICLE AUTHORIZING A COUNTY JUDGE AND OTHER OFFICIAL TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS AS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THIS SETTLEMENT AND TRANSACTION RELATED MATTERS. TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071. CONSULT WITH A COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING LEGAL MATTERS REGARDING THE FIFTH SUPPLEMENTAL ENGAGEMENT DATED DECEMBER 28TH, 2022, -- TO PROVIDE THOSE RELATED AND NUECES COUNTY AND RELATED MATTERS. CONSULT ATTORNEY REGARDING -- TO PROVIDE LEGAL SERVICES FOR THE SAN PATRICIO NUECES COUNTY BOUNDARY DISPUTE AND TAX LEGISLATION AND RELATED MATTERS. TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071. CONSULT WITH A COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING LEGAL MATTERS REGARDED TO REFERENDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BANQUETE . ARPA FUNDING AND RELATED MATTERS . TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071. DELIBERATE BUSINESS AND FINANCIAL ISSUES RELATED TO A CONTRACT BEING NEGOTIATED. THE REFERENDUM OF UNDERSTANDING ISD AND NUECES COUNTY TO SUPPLY TEMPORARY SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER FROM AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, NUECES COUNTY EIGHT FUNDING AND RELATED MATTERS. TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, 551.025. AND CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING LEADING MATTERS RELATED TO SCHOOL SAFETY TECHNOLOGY FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, ARPA FUNDING, AND RELATED MATTERS. TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, 551.071. DELIBERATE BUSINESS AND FINANCIAL ISSUES RELATED TO A CONTRACT BEING NEGOTIATED WITH AT&T AGREEMENTS RELATED TO SCHOOL SAFETY, TECHNOLOGY FROM AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, ARPA FUNDING, AND RELATED MATTERS. TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0725 . CONSULT WITH A COUNTY ATTORNEY AND DELIBERATE THE MATTER REGARDING THE DISMISSAL OF FORMER EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THERE IS NO CODE AFTER THAT ONE. >> THAT SHOULD BE A 071 ALSO, JUDGE. >> 5'1".071. >> TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071. CONSULT WITH COUNTY ATTORNEY ON LEGAL MATTERS RELATED TO THE CURRENT OPERATION OF THE NUECES COUNTY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION . DID WE DECIDE WE HAD TO DO THAT IN HERE? ARE WE DOING THAT, STILL? WE WILL LIST IT ANYWAY. I THINK THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED. YES. SO THAT ONE CAN BE ASKED OFF. OH, -- >> TIME. >> IT IS >> WE WILL BRING THIS MEETING [1. SPECIALLY SET ITEM FOR 1:00 P.M. Discuss possible projects for submission under the CDBG-MIT grant, including drainage projects.] BACK TO ORDER. WE ARE MOVING TO OUR SPECIALTY SET ITEM FOR 1:00 P.M., DISCUSS POSSIBLE ADDRESS FOR SUBMISSION UNDER THE CDBG M.I.T. GRANT INCLUDING DRAINAGE PROJECTS. WE HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM SO WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. CARY MEYERS, YOU ARE UP, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT FIRST. >> THAT AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE. NICE TO SEE YOU TODAY. I AM HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 22, THE CDD FUNDING. WE ARE ALL HERE FROM NORTH BEACH AND WE LIVE ON NORTH BEACH AND ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT AND OUR [03:55:04] ADVOCATES FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR THAT PART OF THE CITY, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AS YOU KNOW, FOR TOURISM. IT IS OF MOST HISTORIC PARTS OF RC. THE BREAKWATER PROJECT THAT THIS MONEY WOULD GO TO FUND HAS SO MANY BENEFITS THAT IT IS NOT ONLY TO BREAK THE WATER, RIGHT? TO PREVENT BIG WAVES AND SHIP WAKES FROM ERODING OUR SHORELINE, BUT IT HAS MANY OTHER BENEFITS. ONE IS IT IS A LIVING SHORELINE OYSTERS TO GROW ON IT. BIRDS WOULD ROOST ON IT AND MAYBE EVEN MAKE NESSUS ON THE BACKSIDE OF IT OR THE FRONT SIDE OF IT. SO WE WOULD HAVE THE OYSTERS HELPING WITH WATER QUALITY. WE WOULD HAVE THE BREAKWATER'S THEMSELVES CREATING EIGHT PALMER WATER CONDITION, WHICH WOULD MAKE THEN TOURISM -- IT WOULD ACTUALLY ENHANCE TOURISM AS WELL AS PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE KAYAKS AND OTHER LITTLE MAY BE SAILBOATS OR PADDLEBOARD TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THE BAY EVEN ON A WINDY DAY. MAINLY, THOUGH, THE MAIN REASON IS TO PREVENT THIS CONTINUALLY EROSION THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE ON NORTH AS THE WAVES AND CURRENTS GOUGED OUT THAT AREA NEAR THE USS LEXINGTON AND SEND THAT SAND NORTHWARD. SOMETIMES, IT STOPS AT THE NORTH JETTY A MILE NORTH. SOMETIMES, IT KEEPS GOING AND GOES INTO VOICES BAY. NORTH BEACH IS CURRENTLY A MAN-MADE BEACH THAT IS ALWAYS CURRENTLY A RE-NOURISHED. THAT IS MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO. SO TO HAVE THAT EROSION MINERALIZED THROUGH THIS PROJECT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE GOVERNMENT AND TO THE CITIZENS AND TO THE CITIZENS VISITORS OF OUR CITY. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO IN THE 1930S BUILT THE BREAKWATER AROUND OUR MARINA AND OUR DOWNTOWN SHORELINE ALSO HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THAT AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE RIGHT NOW WOULD LOOK OUT AT AT THAT BREAKWATER THAT PROTECTS OUR DOWNTOWN AND THINK THAT IS A BAD INVESTMENT. INDEED, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE WISEST INVESTMENT THOSE LEADERS BACK THEN EVER MADE AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE A SIMILAR DECISION TODAY. THANK YOU. MY ADDRESS IS 4401 GULF BREEZE BOULEVARD. THE ONE THING IS I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING US ON CAMERA BECAUSE AT CITY COUNCIL, THEY DON'T PUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS ON CAMERA ANYMORE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, CARRIE. NEXT WE HAVE RON GRAYSON. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING. NOT TO BE REDUNDANT , KERRY PRETTY MUCH SUMMED UP EVERYTHING SO I WOULD JUST BE SUSTAINED . I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH BEACH COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS MUCH FUNDING AS POSSIBLE TO HELP MITIGATE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE. SO, IN THE WORDS OF OUR GREAT PHILOSOPHER, LARRY THE CABLE GUY, "LET'S GET 'ER DONE." >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO ADD TO THAT. IT'S JUST THAT I MOVED ON TO NORTH BEACH IN 2007 AND I AM OVER IN THE HARBOR AREA AND I HAVE GOT A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN NORTH BEACH. I HAVE PUT A HOTEL THERE. I PUT SOME OTHER LAND AND A LIGHTHOUSE. APARTMENT COMPLEX AND SEVERAL HOUSES OUT IN THE HARBOR AS WELL. SO SOMEWHERE AROUND $55 MILLION WORTH OF INVESTMENTS OUT THERE AND SO I AM REALLY WANTING THAT TO KEEP GOING AND KEEP MOVING ON BECAUSE, AS CARRIE SAID, I SIT THERE AND WATCH THAT BEACH JUST START DISAPPEARING. WHEN YOU SEE THOSE SHIPS ROLL IN AND YOU SEE THESE WAVES 2 TO 3 FEET TALL COMING IN AND NOW, WHEN THEY START WRITING THESE BIGGER SHIPS IN HERE, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE TWICE THAT AND THAT BEACH IS GOING TO DISAPPEAR IN HALF THE TIME. SO WE NEED TO GET THIS BREAKWATER FIXED AND GET IT DONE. AGAIN, GET 'ER DONE. SO, THANK YOU GUYS. >> THANK YOU. >> PETER? YES. YOU SIGNED UP EARLIER AND YOU NEED TO COME [04:00:04] BACK. SORRY. >> HONORABLE JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, PETER DAVIDSON, 1525 MOST SHORELINE BOULEVARD. I AM GOING TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ENGINEERING AND HISTORY BEHIND THIS. I HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS BREAKWATER PROJECT FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS. THAT IS A LONG TIME AND LITERALLY, EVERY DAY. AND IT IS TO PROTECT NORTH BEACH AND ESPECIALLY THE USS LEXINGTON. THE ENGINEERING IS 90% COMPLETE AND THE PROJECT IS SHOVEL READY RIGHT NOW. TWO ENGINEERING COMPANIES BOTH SAY THAT THE USS LEXINGTON IS AT RISK. WHAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS AT THE BOW AND ON THE PORT SIDE , THE SAND HAS BEEN ERODED. AND IF WE HAVE A HURRICANE LIKE HURRICANE IKE THAT HAD A TITLE SEARCH OF 17 1/2 OR HURRICANE IAN THAT JUST LATE LAST YEAR HIT FLORIDA, THAT WAS A TITLE SEARCH OF 18 FEET -- AND THOSE WARRANT CATEGORY 5 HURRICANES -- THAT WOULD -- SHE IS A NATIONAL HISTORIC PARK SYMBOL FOR THE UNITED STATES. SHE WAS IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR AND ACTUALLY PICKED UP PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH WHEN HIS PLANE GOT SHOT DOWN IN 1943, I BELIEVE. THE BREAKWATER PROJECT HAS BEEN CHOSEN BY THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICERS AS A T01 PROJECT, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. IT IS BEING PUT ON THE LIST OF PROJECTS WHICH MEANS THAT ONLY COASTAL COUNTIES CAN GET FUNDING. THE FUNDING IS FOR THE PROTECTION OF OF COASTAL CONSERVATION, HURRICANE PROTECTION AND RESTORATION. THE PARTNERS IN OUR PROCESS ARE MANY. THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI IS DILIGENTLY WORKING AND GETTING THE CORE OF ENGINEERS PERMIT UNDERWAY WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OF THE SHELL FOUNDATION , AND THAT WILL BE COMPLETE VERY SOON. AND THEN, ALSO, THEY HAVE OFFERED A LOT OF THEIR SAND TO BUILD THE BACK OF THESE ISLANDS FOR THE PROTECTION OF NORTH BEACH. THE EDWIN SHELL FOUNDATION, THUS FAR, HAS PUT IN APPROXIMATELY $8000 AND THEN, A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING . AND THEY HAVE ALSO PUT IN KIND MATCHES . THEY HAVE ALSO OFFERED CONCRETE BLOCKS -- THEY HAVE GOT HUGE CONCRETE BLOCKS THAT ARE 20 FOOT LONG AND 10 FOOT HIGH AND 10 FOOT WIDE AND THEY HAVE GOT LIKE 200 AND THEY WOULD OFFER AS A MATCH FOR THE PARTICULAR GRANT . THE DOLLAR WORTH OF THE CONCRETE IS ABOUT $1.5 MILLION AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD PAY UP TO 200,000 TO TRANSPORT IT TO START THE PROCESS TO START PROTECTING THE USS LEXINGTON. EITHER PARTNERS IN THE PROJECT ARE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, THE U.S. X LEXINGTON, AND THE AQUARIUM , BUT EVEN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI STARTED THIS IN 2018 AND PUT IN $250,000 TO HIRE ENGINEERS TO START THE PROCESS AND WE HAVE TAKEN THAT FROM THEN AND ADDED TO IT TO MAKE IT A CIVIL READY PROCESS. TODAY, I ASK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE AND BY USING THIS PARTICULAR FUNDING TO ASSIST US, THE CDBG MID FUNDING, JUST THE COST OF BUILDING THE BREAKWATER FOR THE LEXINGTON IS TELL MILLION DOLLARS. SO I ASK YOU FOR $10 MILLION OR 14 MILLION. AS MUCH AS YOU ARE ABLE AND THE DROP-DEAD DATE WHERE THE MONIES WOULD GO TO OTHER COUNTIES WOULD GO BACK TO THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE IS FEBRUARY THE 21ST. OUR PROJECT IS ALREADY WRITTEN TO SUBMIT TO THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. THINK YOU SO MUCH. >> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? [04:05:07] >> TO ME, FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT SOME LEVEL OF FUNDING FOR THIS FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS, BUT I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS ONLY PUT IN $250,000 BUT IS ASKING FOR $10-$15 MILLION. IN MY OPINION, IT IS A CITY JURISDICTION ISSUE. SEAWALL FUNDS WOULD EASILY COVER A LOT OF THIS THAT MAY QUALIFY FOR THE FIRST CHUNK . YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SO I'M REALLY CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE WOULD BE ASKED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY WHEN IT IS REALLY NOT A COUNTY FIRST PROJECT. IT SHOULD BE CITY, IT SHOULD BE PORT AND IN FACT, WE HAVE THESE FUNDS. I GET THAT IS WHY WE ARE BEING ASKED, BUT IF WE DID NOT HAVE THESE FUNDS, NO ONE WOULD THINK TO ASK THE COUNTY BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY THE CITY'S JURISDICTION. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO STEP UP OR DO ANYTHING OR ANY INDICATION THAT THE PORT IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING? LET ME THANK YOU TOO. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE THINGS YOU PUT INTO IT AS USUAL . THE SHELL FOUNDATION STEPS UP FOR EVERYTHING GOOD IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THE PORT IS NOT INVOLVED. $250,000 FOR A PROJECT THAT THEY OUGHT TO BE PRIMARILY FUNDING . YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER BUT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW WHY THEY ARE NOT MORE INVOLVED IN THIS. >> WELL, WE HAVE MET WITH CITY MANAGERS AND OTHERS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST . THE TYPE A SEAWALL FUND DOES HAVE FUNDING. >> HOW MUCH IS IN THAT FUND? DO YOU KNOW? >> I AM GUESSING AROUND $43 MILLION. >> >> IT IS AN EIGHTH OF A CENT FROM THE TAXPAYERS. WE HAVE ASKED -- THEY SEEM TO BE VERY TIGHT ON FUNDING AND EVEN THOUGH THEY PROMISED THE MARINA FUNDING, THEY HAVE NOT. WE DO KNOW THAT THE USS LEXINGTON HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY IN THE PAST AND IS IN THEIR AREA OF THE SEAWALL. BUT WE WILL CONTINUE THE GOOD FIND AND GOOD FIGHT AND GO BACK TO THE CITY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING . BUT I DO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE TYPE A CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS NEXT WEEK. FRUSTRATING TO ME WHEN THE CITY HAS GOT $43 MILLION IN OVER THERE FOR SEAWALL FUNDS AND THIS QUALIFIES. IS THAT RIGHT? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT FIRST PHASE -- MAYBE NOT Y'ALL, BUT THE FIRST PHASE PROTECTS LEXINGTON. NOT THE COUNTIES LEXINGTON, THE CITY'S LEXINGTON. JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR. THEY HAVE GOT $43 MILLION SITTING OVER THERE. AND I GET THAT YOU MAY NOT -- I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THEY HAVE NOT STEPPED UP AND ALL THE PRESSURE HAS BEEN PUT ON US TO SPEND 40 MILLION BUCKS . YOU ARE GOING TO HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, WE HAVE ABOUT $80 MILLION WORTH OF DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT NEED WORK RIGHT THIS MINUTE SO I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE WITH. BUT IT IS REALLY FRUSTRATING WHEN THE CITY WON'T STEP UP TO DO THEIR OWN PROJECT. AND WHAT ABOUT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PORT? AS THE PORT STEPPED UP? >> THE BOYS ARE INBOARD. SO FAR, THEY HAVE PAID FOR THE ENGINEERING FOR THE PORT OF ENGINEERS NEEDED. AT LEAST 100 50,000 AND THEY ARE LEAVING US ALL THE SAND IS A MATCH AND HOPEFULLY, THE TRANSPORTATION TO PUT IN BEHIND THE ISLANDS AND START THE PROJECT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT EIGHT DOLLARS A CUBIC YARD, THAT AS UP TO MULTIMILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> THAT WOULD BE HOW MUCH? >> OH, ALL OF THE SAND COULD ADD UP TO MULTIMILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT APPROXIMATELY EIGHT DOLLARS A CUBIC YARD. >> SO WHY THEN -- WHY IS THERE STILL 14 MORE MILLION DOLLARS? >> WELL, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO START PROJECT. >> SO YOU ARE SAYING FROM ALL PHASES, RIGHT? THE SAND FROM THE PORT CAN BE -- BECAUSE IT IS A $50 MILLION PROJECT? >> EVEN MORE THAN THAT. YES. THEY WOULD START IT AND THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE COME TO US VERY INTERESTED AND IT IS ALWAYS POLITICS. WHEN WE STARTED THIS WITH THE CDBG MID MONEY, IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO. WE WENT TO [04:10:04] THE FIRST MEETINGS AND WE HAVE SHEPHERDED ALONG THE WAY UNTIL IT HAS GOT TO THIS STAGE. ORIGINALLY, THE COUNTY WAS JUST GOING TO GET LIKE, $97 MILLION AND TO DOLE IT OUT LIKE THEY WISHED, BUT THE FUNDING WAS CHANGED . ALL OF THE TOWN'S POPULATION, OVER 2000 PERSONS, GOT SOME MONEY. >> RIGHT. >> AND THE COUNTY GOT $31 MILLION AND THE CITY GOT $50 MILLION $15 MILLION. BUT WE WILL CONTINUE THE GOOD FIGHT AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN. >> HAS THE CITY INDICATED THEY ARE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING? IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THE SEAWALL, THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEND 15 MILLION? THAT MEANS THE CITY HAS $58 MILLION THAT THEY COULD USE ON THIS PROJECT. IT IS THERE PROJECT. I HAVE TO LAUGH, NO OFFENSE, AND I YOU BUT I HAVE TO LAUGH AT $250,000 IS ALL THEY COMMITTED TO THIS WATER PROJECT. I MEAN, HAVE THEY COMMITTED ANYTHING ON THE 15 MILLION THIS YEAR? >> NOT AS FAR AS I AM AWARE. >> AND THEN THE PORT. ON THE FIRST $10-$15 MILLION, THAT FIRST PHASE. SO THE SAND THAT HAS THE PORT COMMITTED, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTH OF JUST THE FIRST PHASE? >> FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE LEXINGTON? >> YES, SIR. >> AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. >> I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE TO GO TO THE ENGINEERS TO FIGURE IT OUT. >> OKAY. OF THAT FIRST 10 TO 15 MILLION, THE PORT HAS COMMITTED AN AMOUNT OF SAND THAT WE DON'T KNOW. AND THERE'S ANOTHER $50 MILLION OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS? THAT IS HUGE. IF THAT IS ALL THE MATERIALS. WAS THE OTHER $10-$15 MILLION FOR? >> WELL, IT IS TO BUILD -- THE COST OF THE ENGINEERING FOR THE ROCK BREAKWATER TO BUILD THE USS LEXINGTON OR, BY ITSELF, WITHOUT SAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS $10 MILLION. JUST FOR THE ROCK. AND THIS WOULD START THAT PROJECT. BECAUSE HURRICANE SEASON -- IT WOULD TAKE TWO YEARS FOR THE PROJECT TO EVEN BEGIN, BUT WHY I AM CONCERNED IS THAT TODAY IS JANUARY THE 18TH AND STILL, GRANTS HAVE TO BE WRITTEN AND SENT IN TO THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE BY FEBRUARY 21ST FOR THE PROJECT TO BE ACCEPTED , WHERE OURS HAS BEEN ACCEPTED . SO I AM JUST SAYING, I WOULD LOVE YOU GUYS TO USE IT AND LET NOT LOSE IT. >> I DON'T THINK WE WILL LOSE IT. WE KNOW THERE IS A SPECIAL MEETING TO DO THIS THAT WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK ON MONDAY AND CATER TO THAT AND GET THESE IN. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE JUST BARELY GOTTEN THE LIST OF STUFF DONE AND THE FOLKS WERE COMING UP WITH ALL THE PRODUCTS THAT WE HAVE READY TO GO THR I AM NOT GOING TO RISK LOSING IT. I APPRECIATE THAT, THOUGH. >> AND COMMISSIONER, I THINK THAT WE -- >> -- BE PUT ON AN APPLICATION FOR THESE PROJECTS AND IF SOME REASON THEY GET REJECTED, WE CAN MOVE ONE OR 23 UP? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY. SO WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT IT. >> BUT WE ARE ALSO -- THAT MEETING IS MAYBE GOING TO BE MOVED TO TUESDAY. JUST FYI. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS NOT AVAILABLE THEN. >> I AM SORRY. WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER MEETING. >> THANK YOU. >> LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING. HELLO MR. PETER. >> DAVIDSON. PETER DAVISON. >> I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS. YOU GUYS ARE PUSHING REALLY HARD BUT YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE COMMISSIONER CHESNEY FEELS THAT RIGHT NOW , I THINK WE ARE KIND OF THE ONES AT THE BOTTOM. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THIS THIRD $1 MILLION, I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY GOT THE MOST THINGS WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT $31 MILLION . IN THE WESTERN AREA OF THIS COUNTY, NOBODY HAS GIVEN US MONEY TO WORK THE DRAINAGES , TO WORK THE FLOODED AREAS, TO WORK THE AREAS -- SO THOSE ARE AREAS OF CONCERN THAT DEAL WITH PEOPLE 'S LIVES, HEALTH, EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A TOURIST AREA AND [04:15:03] EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT I THINK THAT THE PORT HAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS OF DESTROYING WHAT IS THERE. THEY'RE COMING INTO THE PORT AND CREATING THOSE WAVES. AND THEN THERE'S THE HURRICANES. IT TAKES OFF THE SAND AND THE SHELLS AND WHATEVER ELSE. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THE OTHER PLAYERS ARE REALLY COMING TO THE TABLE LIKE THEY ARE ASKING US TO COME TO THE TABLE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ASKS THE CITY TO PUT $10 MILLION ON THE TABLE OR ASKED THE PORT TO PUT FIVE OR $10 MILLION ON THE TABLE. YOU KNOW, ? IT IS AN AREA THAT PROBABLY -- THEY HAVE THE CARNIVAL THERE, RIGHT? THERE IS NO WAY WHERE WE CAN EVER STOP THE PROBLEM OF FLOODING IN NORTH BEACH UNTIL WE SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SOMEHOW FIND A WAY TO DO IT. SO I JUST DON'T FEEL AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW -- I CAN SUPPORTED BASED ON WHAT WE COME UP WITH WHEN WE CAME BACK AND DREW ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD. THEY ARE UNDERFUNDED PROJECTS AND THEY INVOLVE PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY'S LIVES. WE HAVE TO BALANCE IT. WHICH IS MORE TO ME RIGHT NOW IMPORTANT THAN THE BREAKWATER AND THE SHIP IN THE COLONIAL . IT IS NOT -- IT IS VERY EASY TO SAY TO HELP THE PEOPLE, RIGHT? IS IT DEALS WITH PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD. I KNOW THAT Y'ALL DO BUSINESS THERE AND YOU HAVE BUSINESSES, BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 30,000 ACRES. WE HAVE TO DRAIN THE WATER OUT AND THAT AFFECTS 300 PEOPLE MORE THAN YOU ARE DRAINING OUT BECAUSE IT AFFECTS OUR FIELDS. SO WE ARE ALWAYS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TOTEM POLL HERE AND WE HAVE A REAL OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO REALLY MAKE AN IMPACT OF HELPING THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE. I WISH WE COULD GET A GRANT TO YOU WITH ANOTHER $10 MILLION TO HELP YOU OUT , BUT WE REALLY NEED IT. BUT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HEAR YOU. WE HEAR ALL OF YOU, BUT I JUST FEEL THAT BASED ON WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IN OUR WESTERN AREA OF THE COUNTY, I HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE BEFORE SHELL AND SAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE. >> DON'T FORGET, THE FUNDING WAS FOR -- 50% OF THE FUNDING WAS FOR FLOOD MITIGATION . THIS IS ALL THE MONEY FOR THE ENTIRE TEXAS COAST, AND THE OTHER 50% IS FOR HARDENING THE TEXAS COASTLINE AGAINST HURRICANES AND TO STOP FLOODS ON THE BEACHES AS WELL. SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE ASKING YOU GUYS. WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR FLOODS AND THE COLONIAS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF OF THAT. BUT IF WE DON'T ASK, DON'T GET IT. SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> IS MARY GOING TO MAKE SOME PRESENTATION? >> IS SOMEONE HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THIS? ANNA? OR MARY? >> OR BOTH? >> AFTERNOON, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS. I AM MARY AND I AM ACTUALLY NOT MAKING A PRESENTATION, I AM HERE AS TECHNICAL SUPPORT FOR YOUR GRANTS TEAM, THAT WE DO THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AT THE TABLE . AS PETER WAS SAYING, THIS IS FOR MITIGATION FOR DISASTERS. WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC AND DELIBERATE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT OUR LMI PRESENTED SO THE COUNTY WOULD NOT HAVE TO SPEND 50% OF THEIR MONEY SPECIFICALLY ON LMI AREAS BECAUSE WE FELT THAT YOU NEED THE FLEXIBILITY TO USE IT WHERE IT WAS NEEDED. SO SOME COMMUNITIES THAT GOT A SPECIFIC LMI , LEAD ROB STONE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BECAUSE THEY ATE OUR END HIGH LMI AREA. OUR STRATEGY WAS REALLY SO YOU COULD MAKE DECISIONS -- AND I AM GLAD YOU ARE -- I AM NOT YOUR SHOES, BUT IS TO MAKE IMPACTFUL SOME [04:20:04] DECISIONS. WE COULD HAVE DIVIDED THAT WOULD HUNDRED AND $80 MILLION INTO $180 MILLION PROJECTS . WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT. WE COULD HAVE EXPANDED THE PEOPLE WHO COULD GIVE IT. WE COULD HAVE EXPANDED IT TO RIVER AUTHORITIES AND WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THE PUTTING THE PIPE TOO MUCH -- THE 31 MILLION ISN'T EVEN ENOUGH AND WE ALL KNOW THAT. THE 180 MILLION FOR THE REGION ISN'T ENOUGH. THE HER CAN LAND YOUR FIRST AND I AM NOT COMPLAINING. WE ARE VERY GLAD TO HAVE THE MONEY, BUT WE COULD USE THE SIX OR SEVEN TIMES THAT AND STILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOCATED ENOUGH MONEY SO THAT PROJECTS COULD BE IMPACTFUL . THE WATER GOES AND IT DOESN'T STOP BUT IT HAS COME IN FROM THE COAST, SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE STORM SURGE AND WINS WHEN WE ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU FOR MAKING DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT US IN NUECES COUNTY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME BECAUSE THIS IS A ONE-SHOT DEAL. THIS MONEY IS NOT COMING BACK AND SO THE STEWARDSHIP YOU DISPLAY NOW IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR DOWN THE ROAD SO I AM HERE FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, WHICH YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD TEAM ON THE GROUND, AND I KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ADMINISTERING THESE FUNDS. THANK YOU. >> MARY, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> AS FAR AS HAVING BACKUP, I CAN GET A DIRECT QUESTION, BUT THEY SAID ANY PROJECT YOU GET IN, ONE APPLICATION FOR AS MANY PROJECTS AS YOU HAVE. THEY SAID THEY WON'T LEAVE ANY MONEY ON THE TABLE, SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, A PROJECT WASN'T APPROVED, YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT ANOTHER PROJECT IN. >> WHAT ABOUT THE LMI? THE QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THE LMI? SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THERE WERE QUESTIONS ON WHETHER THEY QUALIFIED AS LMI OR DID NOT QUALIFY AS LMI? >> WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE VERA ITSELF AN ACTUAL PROJECT AND IT IS BASED ON THE WHERE THE PROJECT IS WHETHER IT IS LMI OR NOT. SO DIGGING DOWN TO THE CENSUS TRACT OF THE PROJECT WILL TELL YOU IF IT IS A LMI PROJECT OR NOT. THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> YOU TO GET SOME OF THAT MAP ? >> >> IS GOING TO VERIFY TODAY WHICH OF THESE PRODUCTS ARE ON THE LIST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ON SOME OF THIS STUFF. >> AND WHILE SHE IS WALKING UP, PETER SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 50%? WHAT DID YOU SAY, PETER? 50% HARDENING THE COAST AND 50% -- HARDENING THE COAST. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS IS THAT 50% OF THE MONEY WE ALLOCATED HAD TO GO TO LMI AREAS. WHEN WE DID THAT STRATEGICALLY, WE DECIDED TO GO BASED ON EACH COMMUNITY'S ACTUAL LMI INSTEAD OF JUST DOING 50% DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES LIKE PORTER RIMS IS, FOR ONE, DON'T HAVE A WAY TO MEET THE PROJECTS. SO OUR STRATEGY WAS THAT THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE OVER 51% LMI, HAD TO SPEND 100% OF THEIR MONEY IN LMI AREAS. COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE 49% 50% HAVE TO SPEND 72% OF THEIR MONEY IN LMI AREAS. EVERYONE ELSE, LIKE NUECES COUNTY IS ONE OF THEM, WE WERE REQUIRED TO SPEND EXACTLY WHAT OUR LMI IS. SO NUECES COUNTY'S LMI IS COUNTED AS 3%. SO 43% OF THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT ON LMI. THAT WAS THE WAY THAT WE HAD TO DO IT WITHOUT BURDENING THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES. >> .IT APPLIED THAT SOME OF THE MONEY HAD TO BE FOR HARDENING THE COAST AND THE OTHER WAS FOR ANOTHER CATEGORY, YOU SAID. >> THE INTENTION OF THE MONEY IS TO MITIGATE AGAINST DISASTERS. IT IS NOT QUITE AS SPECIFIC AS PETER SAID. SO BASICALLY, -- >> IF THE COURT DECIDED TO USE IT ON DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT ON THE COAST, WITH A QUALIFY? >> AS LONG AS YOU CONDEMN SO THAT IT IS HAZARD MITIGATION, YES. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. >> THANK YOU. >> IN ON THE MONIES THAT WE GOT. WE GOT THIS MONEY BECAUSE WE QUALIFY. OUR AREA NEEDS THIS MONEY. PEOPLE NEED THESE MONIES TO SORT OF MITIGATE THIS DRAINAGE. I APPLAUD THE [04:25:05] GENTLEMAN WHO HAD THE VISION TO DO THE SEAWALL. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT REALLY WORK AND SOMETHING WE REALLY NEEDED, OKAY? WE HAVE BEEN HERE OVER THE YEARS AND NO ONE HAS EVER COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF HOW TO FIX THIS PROBLEM IN NORTH BEACH. I THINK THE PROBLEM COMES FROM BIG SHIPS COMING IN AND NOW WE ARE MAKING OUR RICH EVEN TOLERANCE WE CAN GET EVEN BIGGER SHIPS IN AND IT WILL MAKE A BIGGER PROBLEM, OKAY? SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO GET FIXED? THERE IS NO ENDING TO IT. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR MY CONSTITUENTS OUT IN THE BANQUETE AREA. BUT HAVE TO CONSIDER WHO IS GOING TO BENEFIT MOST, OKAY? OF MY PEOPLE. OUR PEOPLE IN THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED FOR YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD THE MONEY. AND IT IS LIKE Y'ALL SAID, THIS IS A ONE TIME SHOP WE HAVE TO GET CONNECTED TO IT. THAT IS WHAT I AM FIXING TO DO. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE PEOPLE HAVE WAITED A LONG TIME FOR IT AND I JUST CAN'T JUSTIFY PUTTING GOOD MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO GET RESOLVED. HE IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING PROBLEM. IT IS NOT MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU PUT INTO IT. UNTIL YOU FIND A WAY HOW TO BLOCK -- MAKE A SEAWALL THAT WILL BLOCK THE WAVES FROM COMING IN , MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, IT WILL WORK. MOTHER NATURE IS VERY UNFORGIVING, OKAY? YOU JUST CAN'T STOP MOTHER NATURE. LOOK AT FLORIDA. FLORIDA WAS ONE OF THE PLACES THAT REALLY THOUGHT THINGS OUT AND HAVE THINGS IN PLACE TO PREVENT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND LOOK WHAT IT HAS DONE TO THEM. SO, FOR THAT REASON, I MEAN, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD DO THIS FINISHING HERE. BUT I HAVE TO CONSIDER, ALSO, OUR AREAS HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND I APOLOGIZE TO YOU. IT IS NOT THAT I AM UNCARING. I DO CARE, I JUST WISH THERE WERE A BETTER WAY FOR MORE MONEY TO GO AROUND, WHICH THERE ISN'T. SO, FOR THIS REASON, I STAND BY WHAT I SAID. I HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE RURAL AREAS FOR WHICH THE MONEY WAS INTENDED FOR AND THAT IS THE WAY I WANT TO GO. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THESE. DOES THERE ALREADY HAVE TO BE A MITIGATION PLAN IN PLACE FOR THESE TO MOVE FORWARD FOR US TO FILE ON THESE WHATEVER DECISIONS WE GO WITH? >> YES. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A MITIGATION FUNDING. SO WE HAVE TO GO -- >> PART OF THESE PRODUCTS HAVE TO BE NAMED. I WAS GIVEN THE LIST OF THESE NOTES TRYING TO LOCATE . THEY PROVIDE A GUIDE OF LMI AREAS AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS ARE NOT JUST TOO SPECIFIC SO YES, BUT IT IN AN AREA AND IT WILL GIVE ME THE LMI BUT IT IS NOT SPECIFIC ROAD OR AREA THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF DIVE INTO MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE USING THE RIGHT LMI TO FIT IT. BUT IT HAS TO BE PART OF THE INTER-MAP ALREADY IN PLACE. >> THANK YOU. >> DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE? >> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO START THIS, JUDGE, NORMALLY WE HAVE FUNDS OF MONEY AND DIVIDED UP BY FIVE TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. >> WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT ON TUESDAY. YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. THEIR OPTIONS, RIGHT? >> I THINK THE MEETING -- THERE IS A CONFLICT WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE SO I AM NOT SURE WE CAN DO TUESDAY MORNING EITHER SO I THINK HAVING SOMETHING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SORT OF COMING IN JUST TUESDAY OR MONDAY AFTERNOON, THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK THINGS WERE WE DON'T GET ACCOMPLISHED. >> IT WOULD BE FINE FOR ME. >> OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN MOVE A LITTLE MORE FORWARD TODAY. SO JUST TELL ME WHY. I AGREE WITH THE SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTED ONE, WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON FOR THE [04:30:04] SPECIAL MEETING? >> HOW YOU WANTED TO HANDLE IT. >> >> WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, COMMISSIONER, WE WILL COME UP WITH -- WE ARE SHORT $7 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT. UNDER THE UNRESTRICTED. ON THE RESTRICTED, ONLY $16 MILLION. ON THE UNRESTRICTED, IT IS $22 MILLION. >> ON THE STRAP THAT THEY PROVIDED THIS DRAFT? >> >> THEY ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. WE WILL HAVE TO DO AN ACTION IN THERE. WE WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE REGULAR AGENDA TO DO AN ACTION. >> WHAT TO BE POST THIS FOR? >> THERE IS AN ACTION ITEM. >> THERE IS AN ACTION ITEM. YEAH. >> YEAH, WE POSTED AS AN ACTION ITEM. >> ITEM NUMBER 22. >> BUT WE POSTED THE 1:00 AS AN ACTION ITEM, IS WHAT I THOUGHT. >> YES. >> SO THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET ON THE NEXT MEETING ? AND I AM LEGITIMATELY ASKING THIS BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT TO -- I AM OKAY WITH DOING ANOTHER MEETING, BUT I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS IT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE COMING BACK. THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. HELP ME WITH THAT. >> WE CAN DO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WITH THE ARPA FUNDS. BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE TO BE MOVED FROM THE UNRESTRICTED -- FROM RESTRICTED TO UNRESTRICTED. SO WITH THE ARPA FUNDS, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET RID OF SOME PROJECTS REGARDLESS. >> WELL, THERE ARE $80 MILLION ON THIS LIST. >> WE ARE SHORT $7.2 MILLION. WE ARE SHORT. >> IS ON THIS DRAFT? >> YEP. >> OKAY. >> LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE. IT SAYS IT COMES OUT TO -- THE RESTRICTED COMES OUT TO 160,000. WE PUT THEM TOGETHER, WE ARE SHORT $7 MILLION. >> OKAY. SO WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS -- AND I AM NOT BEING CRITICAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE A YOU GUYS DID A LOT OF WORK ON THAT. I'M LOOKING AT $60 MILLION IN PROJECT COSTS AND ONE PRECINCT. $21 IN ONE PRECINCT. >> 60 MILLION IN ALL OF THEM. >> BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT IS BROKEN DOWN. SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GET -- BECAUSE IF I HAD THIS UP, IT ADDS UP TO -- IF YOU ADD UP . IT MAY HAVE BEEN CHANGED. MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THE LAST ONE. >> I THINK HAVING A STARTING PLACE FOR THE PROJECT AND THEN SEEING IF THEY QUALIFY IS MOVING FORWARD. WE JUST CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET TOGETHER AND WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE AND THEN COME BACK AND WE ARE BACK AT THE SAME SPOT. DEFINES A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IDEAS. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WILL GET ALL OF OUR TIMING FOR NEXT WEEK, BUT I DO WANT TO GO ON RECORD AND I HEAR COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ 'S CONCERNS BUT I FEEL STRONG ABOUT THE PROJECT. I DO HEAR THE CONCERNS AND THE FRUSTRATION THAT I SHARE AS WELL AS FAR AS HOW MUCH SHOULD WE PUT IN COMPARED TO THE CITY. SO THAT WILL BE MY ONE QUESTION ON ALL THAT, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO AT LEAST ALLOW THAT PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE APPLICATION MEET THEIR FEBRUARY DEADLINE, AND BE ABLE TO START. WHETHER IT IS A FULL COMMITMENT. BUT I DO AGREE AND SUPPORT WITH GIVING SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO IT, I AGREE. I'VE HEARD FROM SOMEONE OVER THE WEEKEND, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LEXINGTON AS WELL. SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THAT THAT DEALS WITH THE BREAKWATER OUT THERE SO I DO SUPPORT WITH THE COMMISSIONER IS SAYING . >> IF THE FUNDS COULD DIVIDED BECAUSE BEFORE, I THOUGHT I WAS OUT OF THEM. BUT IT WOULD BE FINE TO USE THE FUNDS THERE TO HELP WITH THE BREAKWATER. >> SO, GOING BACK TO WHAT I AM CONFUSED ON IS , WE HAVE $73 [04:35:03] MILLION. $73 MILLION ON THIS TOTAL AND THEN NEXT TO IT HAS THIS COLUMN AND I DON'T THINK ABOUT MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TO THESE PROJECTS. >> THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED. >> NO, NO I GET IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE MORE THAN 7 MILLION SHORT BECAUSE THE GRAND TOTAL IS 72,000,000.370. THEN THERE IS A CDG BUT WE HAVEN'T ALLOCATED THE ARPA YET. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE 31 MILLION LEFT. WE ONLY HAVE $47 MILLION LEFT. >> WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON THE ONES ON THE SIDE. >> SO TAKING ALL OF THAT OUT, LET'S NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE ARPA IS. >> THAT IS WHY I SAID WE TAKE THE ARPA COLUMN OUT. >> WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS THE ARPA RIGHT NOW . WE'RE DISCUSSING THE CDBG. SO WHEN WE DISCUSS OUR SPECIAL MEETING, WE CAN DISCUSS BOTH OF THEM AND YOU WILL SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO. WE'RE GOING TO DO A ONE-TIME DEAL WERE EVERYBODY THAT IS REALLY FAIR BECAUSE, I MEAN, -- >> I DID NOT GET ANY PARTS BUT INTO MINE. EVERYBODY ELSE GOT PARKS. >> IS NO KNOW WE ARE GOING TO GET YEARS EITHER. >> WE SAID WE NEEDED DRAINAGE. CATEGORY, COMMISSIONER. I MEAN, THIS IS WHY WE THOUGHT ABOUT IF IT IS GOING TO WORK. IF IT IS GOING TO WORK OR IF IT IS NOT. THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO TAKE OUT ANYWAY. >> I JUST DIDN'T SEE THE PARK WHEN IT WAS SHOWN AS A DRAFT BECAUSE I THOUGHT ALL WE ARE FOCUSING ON IS THE DRAINAGE, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE ANOTHER MILLIONS OF DOLLARS -- >> COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY ADD. THAT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INCLUDES ARPA MONEY. THAT IS A TOTAL LIST OF ALL PROJECTS. SO WE HAVE A $6 MILLION ALLOCATION OF ARPA MONEY. SO THAT PORTION IS THE PORTION IN THERE. SO AS THE COMMISSIONER SAID, IT IS THE ARPA PORTION. THE COLUMN IS TAKEN OUT IN THE IDEA BEING THAT WE PICK THESE PROJECTS THAT WE MAY PICK UP SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM OTHER COUNTY'S COMMISSIONER . THEY MAY NOT APPLY SO THEY MAY BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING AVAILABLE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS AND SOME OF THESE ARE ON THE HIGH END HERE SO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. THAT WAS WITH ABOUT PROCESS WAS WHEN WE WENT OVER THE ALLOCATED FUNDS BETWEEN ARPA AND CDBG. >> I WOULD ASK BY SAYING, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE PARKS IN CDBG MONEY BECAUSE I THOUGHT ALL WE WERE DOING IS GREENWICH PROJECTS. WE CANNOT COVER DRAINAGE PROJECT MUCH LESS WITH THE SHORTAGE OF PARKS. THE ARPA BEING IN HERE IS VERY CONFUSING AND I ASKED YESTERDAY AND DID NOT GET DONE THAT PLEASE PROVIDE ME A LIST I WOULD HAVE THE ARPA COLUMN IN IT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ARPA TODAY. >> MINE DOES NOT HAVE AN ARPA COLUMN. >> MINE DOES. >> DRAFT FOR FRIDAY'S WORKSHOP. >> THIS IS ALL I GOT TODAY. THIS IS ALL I GOT. >> THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE ROCK SHOP. >> RIGHT, BUT HE ASKED FOR THIS TODAY. >> WITH THESE COLUMNS, THERE IS ONLY ONE COLUMN AND ONE COMMISSIONER THAT HAS ANYTHING IN THE LMI AND THAT IS COMMISSIONER MAREZ. HIS PROJECTS ARE THE ONLY ONE WITH RESTRICTED FUNDS THAT HAVE TO GO ON THERE, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE MOVING FORWARD. >> BUT DID SOMEONE VERIFY THAT? >> THAT IS WHY WE WANTING TO MAP TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT THIS, THE ONLY PERSON ELIGIBLE -- SO ALL OF THE 13 WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF -- >> BUT IS THAT THE CASE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW -- >> >> OH, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT BEN KENNEDY WATER SYSTEMS AREN'T IN THE LMI. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. >> THEY ARE. IN THIS SCENARIO, THE ACTUALLY ARE. THE MONEY MAY NOT BE ALLOCATED AT THAT POINT BUT THE ACTUALLY ARE. SO TO PREVENT THE DRAINAGE -- WE COULD USE THE RESTRICTED FUNDS FOR. THAT IS WHAT WE WANTED A LIST TO SHOW ALL THE OPTIONS FOR THAT RESTRICTED FUND AND THEN WE COULD CHOOSE. >> IT IS POSSIBLE TO SAY FOR INSTANCE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ALLOCATED FUNDS FOR THE [04:40:03] PRECINCT FORM, THAT IS $2.5 BILLION. THAT IS NOT IN RESTRICTED. BANQUETE IMMUNITY CENTER, -- ANYTHING IN THEN QUIT -- >> THE WATER SYSTEMS AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS COULD ALL BE IN THERE. >> BUT THEY SAID IT MODIFIES THE LMI. IF IT MODIFIES, THEN BANQUETE WOULD NOT QUALIFY. BUT THEY MODIFIED THE LMI SO THAT MORE COMMUNITIES COULD COME INTO THE -- >> SO HOW IS THAT POLONIA SEPTIC TANK NOT LMI ELIGIBLE? >> SO, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT IS CALLED GOLDEN ACRES NEAR BISHOP IS NOT AN LMI AREA. >> AROUND THE AREA? >> YES MA'AM. THE THING IS IT CAN BE SKEWED BASED ON , LIKE FOR INSTANCE, YOU GO WITH THE CENSUS TRACT. BANQUETE CENSUS TRACT IS HUGE. IT COVERS ALMOST ALL OF NUECES COUNTY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PART OF BANQUETE THAT IS SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 44, THAT IS AND ALL MIGHT QUALIFY. BUT IF YOU INCLUDE THE TOTAL WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE LAKE, THE NORTHERN PARTS WHERE THE LINZER -- IT WON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE IT IS IN THAT CENSUS TRACT. >> CAN YOU FIND THE LMI? >> THE ONE IN THIS CASE? >> DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REDEFINE THIS? THIS CAN'T BE THE INTENT OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO HERE. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOT A POOR AREA THAT HAPPENS -- >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THAT. THE LMI IS DEFINED BY HUD. WE CAN DEFINE THAT. WHAT WE DID IS INSTEAD OF DIVIDING THE MONEY BY 50% ACROSS THE BOARD, WE DIVIDED THE MONEY BASED ON ACTUAL LMI. ONLY 43% OF YOUR FUNDING HAS TO BE SPENT IN LMI AREAS AS OPPOSED TO 50%. 50% OF THE TOTAL 180 ALLOCATION IS IN COMMUNITIES WITH HIGH LMI. BUT WHEN WE WERE MAKING OUR DECISION, WE COULD HAVE JUST SAID, OKAY, 51% ACROSS THE BOARD. EVERYBODY HAS TO SPEND IT. 51%. BUT YOU GET COMMUNITIES AND FRANKLY ANYBODY ON THE SHORELINE. TO GET SOMEBODY LIKE RAMS THIS THE DOES NOT HAVE THE LMI IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND DOES NOT HAVE THEIR DISASTERS. SO IN ORDER TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR HURRICANE COMMUNITIES, WE SHIFTED OUR STRATEGY SO THAT THE COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST LMI HAD THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF THE FUNDING FOR LMI AND OTHER COMMUNITIES CAN ONLY HAVE THEIR ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF LMI. SO THE MONEY THAT YOU ARE SPENDING OF THE 31 MILLION HAS TO BE SPENT IN A HUBBLE QUANTIFIED LMI AREA. WE DID NOT CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF LMI. LMI IS BY HUD WE JUST REDUCED -- SO OTHER COMMUNITIES TO HIRE RESTRICTED FUNDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE HIGHER LMI. >> SO YOU COULD HAVE GIVEN US A LOWER RESTRICTED FUND. >> WE COULD'VE GIVEN YOU 50% RESTRICTED BUT WE GAVE YOU 43. >> WHAT DID Y'ALL PICK? HOW DID HE GET TO PICK 43 IF YOU CANNOT CHANGE LMI? >> 50% OF THE MONEY HAS TO BE IN LMI AREAS. >> SO YOU CHOSE TO CHOOSE 43 BECAUSE -- >> BECAUSE YOUR ACTUAL LMI IS 43%. THE ACTUAL LMI FOR NUECES COUNTY IS 33%. >> SO WHY DO ALL OF THESE PROJECTS IS 843% LMI? WHAT IS THAT MEAN? TO ME THAT SAYS 43%? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN THE CUT? AGAIN, I GET IT. IT IS A DRAFT. >> THAT IS A SPREADSHEET SO I'M NOT SURE. WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IS THAT THE MONEY -- WHEN WE DID THE LMI, WE DON'T CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF LMI. WE JUST DID NOT CHARGE YOU TOWARDS LMI. >> SO PRECINCT 2 IS NOT IS CONSIDERED AN LMI. IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC TO A CERTAIN AREA TO CONSIDER HOW WIDESPREAD THAT IS. >> BUT FOR NOTHING TO QUALIFY INCREASING TO AS LMI? THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS. >> EACH PROJECT HAVE TO GO BASED ON WHERE IT IS. SO I WOULD BE SURPRISED AT THAT TOO. [04:45:02] NOT TO LOOK AT WHERE THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT THE LMI IS FOR THE PROJECT. >> THIS LMI COLUMN. WHO MADE THIS COLUMN? ANYBODY? >> IT SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN IN THERE BUT IT DID. >> >> DISREGARD THAT. >> BUT IF JOHN'S IS RIGHT. >> YOUR LMI IS BASED ON THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT SO I RECOMMEND YOU HAVE YOUR TEAM LOOK AT EACH ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT. >> SO HAS SOMEONE VERIFY THE ADDRESSES OF THE PROJECT THAT THEY DON'T QUALIFY AS LMI? >> WE DID NOT RECEIVE THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE, COMMISSIONER, SO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT TO VERIFY THE LOCATIONS. >> I ASKED THIS YESTERDAY. >> COMMISSIONER, A LOT OF THE THING IS THAT 100% THE MONEY COULD BE USED IN LMI AREAS. THE OPPOSITE IS NOT TRUE. I SAID, 100% OF THE MONEY COULD BE USED IN LMI AREAS. SO IF WE TAKE ALL THREE, WE COULD USE IT IN LMI AREAS. BUT THE OPPOSITE IS NOT TRUE. >> I AM JUST ASKING DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHO IS VERIFYING THESE LMI ADDRESSES. I NEED SOMEBODY TO TELL ME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO BACK IN LOOK AND SEE IF THERE LMI OR NOT. >> WHAT WE WOULD DO FOR TUESDAY, I GUESS, IS ON TUESDAY WE WILL PUT ALL PROJECTS ON A MAP WITH THE LMI MAP THAT IS DISTRICT CERTIFIED. WE WILL PROVIDE THAT FOR Y'ALL. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING FOR. >> ALL THE PROJECTS ARE ON THAT LIST. INCLUDING THE BREAKWATER. >> IF IT IS IT IS. >> IS TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT IS NOT AN LMI, IF YOU LOOK AT SYDNEY PARK IN THE RANCH, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. THEY ARE NOT LMI. SO I CAN TELL YOU AND WALK YOU THROUGH IT BUT AS COMMISSIONER SAYS, >> >> THESE ARE DEFINITELY IN AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR RESTRICTED FUNDS AND UNRESTRICTED DIVISION BECAUSE UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE AVAILABLE IN THERE, YOU CAN'T REALLY DECIDE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO SPEND IT. IT IS NOT REALLY FAIR TO ANYONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS OR MYSELF SO WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. THE WORK HAS TO BE DONE. >> IT WILL BE DONE. IT WILL BE DONE BY TUESDAY. >> IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IS IN THE LMI, IT WILL BE WIPED OFF THE LIST BECAUSE WE CANNOT MOVE THIS ITEM. >> JUDGE, WE WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER. >> I AM VERY SERIOUS. >> >> SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SOMETHING FROM THE MORNING TO THE AFTERNOON AND SOMETIMES IT CAN'T BE DONE. >> EXACTLY. MORNING TO AFTERNOON BUT NOW WE HAVE UNTIL TUESDAY. >> YES. WE ALL WORKED ALL DAY LONG YESTERDAY ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DIVIDE THIS UP . >> WHAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS IT SEEMS THIS IS GOING ON IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS SO I'M NOT SURE COMMISSIONER CHESNEY 'S POINTS ARE TAKEN ON WHETHER HE IS GIVEN OR NOT GIVEN INCREASING FOR . SO, I AM ASSUMING, AS JUDGE, WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS ADDRESS SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW. I GET THE AREA THAT WE REPRESENT IS IN THE WESTERN PART AND FALLS INTO THAT LMI AND SO I KNOW THAT ARPA IS NOT INCLUDED, BUT IT KIND OF IS OR SHOULD BE ■ . I WANT TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, RIGHT? I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? WHAT IS THAT MAGIC NUMBER THAT WE NEED TO HELP SHOW REAL SUPPORT FOR BREAKWATER, RIGHT? OUR PART IS A FRACTION OF WHAT IS EXPECTED OR BEING ASKED BUT AT LEAST WE ARE PUTTING SOMETHING THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF COMMISSIONER CHESNEY DOES NOT GET IT THROUGH HERE, DOES HE MAKE UP FOR IT IN OUR BUT BECAUSE I SEE IT AS ONE BIG POT OF MONEY, RIGHT? THERE ARE FUNDINGS THAT HE GETS SOMETIMES FROM THE COASTAL PARKS OR COASTAL BRANDS THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE DOING. >> NO, I GET YOU. I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALL HIT AND MISS PROJECT BASED ON CERTAIN CRITERIA. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE, TUESDAY IN THE MORNING, AFTERNOON, OR WHATEVER WE SAY, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS BREAKWATER AND WE ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS PRECINCT 4. HE LOOKS AT MY PRECINCT IS COVERED AND ALL THE OTHERS ARE GETTING THEIR FAIR TRUNK AS WELL FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREAS ARE SHOWN BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY [04:50:04] CAN'T DIVIDED EQUALLY BECAUSE THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK BUT WE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT NEED. THEY ARE ON A STRICT DEADLINE WITH EARLY TO MID FEBRUARY. PETER? ALL OF IT. BUT I AM THINKING THE FLOODWATER IN GENERAL FOR THEIR SPECIFIC FUNDING AS WELL. SO I HOPE WE CAN GET THAT WORKED OUT. >> ALL OF THESE PROJECTS INCLUDE BOTH SO IT IS GOING TO BE CDBG. >> YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ONE THING. IF YOU USE THE ARPA FUNDS RIGHT NOW, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY GIVE WHAT WE HAVE. $4 MILLION. WE ALREADY IN DEBT $4 MILLION. IT HAS TO GO BACK INTO THE POT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IF WE DON'T PUT IT BACK INTO THE POT. WHAT I FOUND OUT YESTERDAY IS THAT WE ONLY HAVE $7 MILLION LEFT UNDER THE ARPA FUNDS . >> I THOUGHT IT WAS LESS. >> I THOUGHT WE HAD $50 MILLION TO 15 MILLION. >> SOME OF IT IS ALREADY SPENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE WHATEVER WE HAVE, RIGHT? IT WILL BRING US BACK UP TO ALMOST 31 MILLION. IT SHOULD BRING US BACK TO WHAT WE NEED FOR THE ARPA FUNDS BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE THE 4 MILLION AND MONEY FOR THE PROJECTS ALSO. >> THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS. >> NO. JUST UNDERSTAND THOUGH THAT THE MONEY WE HAVE GOT, AND MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE POT SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO SPEND FOR THE ARPA FUNDS. >> WHO IS DIRECTING THIS? >> SHOULD WE TAKE LESS? I DON'T WANT TO GIVE MY ARPA MONEY BACK IF MY PRECINCT IS GETTING 4 MILLION AND YOU GUYS ARE GETTING 16 MILLION. >> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? >> BUT YOU WERE GETTING 12 MILLION MORE . >> NOW. I WON'T. >> ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. WE DO NEED EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN THE LMI. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU HAVE OVER HERE ON THE SIDE THAT HASN'T BEEN PAY FOR WHETHER YOU ARE PLANNING TO USE ANY ELIGIBLE PROJECTS IN THE LMI AND THEN THE OTHER COLUMN AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE FORWARD. ALL OF THE PROJECTS INCLUDED WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TO DO THAT. >> WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THIS MANY BACK. HAS IT BEEN ALLOCATED IN THE PAST? >> NO. FOR PRECINCT 3, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS REAL ALLOCATED SO YOU HAVE 11 MILLION. COMMISSIONER, YOU ALLOCATED SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT. >> I FULLY EXPECTED THERE TO BE MORE FLOODING MONEY SPENT IN THE OTHER PRECINCTS THAN MINE. I GET THAT. I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD GET NECESSARILY THE SAME EXACT DOLLARS SO THAT IS NOT WHAT IT IS ABOUT. I JUST DID NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS COMBINED WITH THE ARPA FUNDING BECAUSE I JUST DIDN'T -- IT WASN'T ADDING OUT. SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THIS IS YOUR WISH LIST AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SUGGEST FUNDING FOR ALL OF THOSE. I'M HAVING THE SAID THAT $73 MILLION AND IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO 73 MILLION AND SO MAYBE WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS COME BACK. >> WHAT PROJECT CAN YOU HANDLE AND WHAT POLITICS CAN YOU DO ? JUST PUT IN THE ONES THAT I HAVE A NEED ON RIGHT NOW. >> >> AND SO WHEN I SAW YOURS I SAID, HOLY COW. I WAS MORE LIKE TRYING TO FIND A SMALLER AMOUNT TO SAY HERE ARE THE ONES THAT I KNOW I CAN GET SHOVEL READY, AND APPLIED, GET GOING, AND GO. I ALSO WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE BREAKWATER AND LOOKING IN WHATEVER THAT PUTS OUT. WHATEVER THAT IS AND SO THAT IS WHY I COMMIT LIGHT ON MY -- BECAUSE IF I GET THOSE THREE PROJECTS ON THOSE THREE PRECINCT, I AM IN GOOD SHAPE . AND FOR THE BREAKWATER WITH WHATEVER THE COURT COMES UP WITH. SO I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THEM IS SOME SORT OF DRAFT OF WHICH PRODUCT FUNDS EACH OF YOU NEED TO FIND MAYBE BECAUSE -- >> PRIORITY LIST OF ONES. >> YOU HAVE TO CUT SOMEWHERE. >> I UNDERSTAND NOW. THAT IS WHAT I WAS NOT GETTING. I UNDERSTAND NOW. OKAY. >> I THINK THERE ARE SOME MORE THAT CAN GO IN THE LMI. THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THAT TO HELP WITH [04:55:01] SOME OTHER AREAS. >> THE OTHER THING, JUDGE, IS THAT -- >> IF YOU TAKE THIS POT HERE AND PUT IT INTO THE LMI POT, THAT GOES UP. >> WELL, THEY SAID THIS WASN'T ACTUALLY FUNDED. THIS WAS JUST LISTED IN THE OTHER COLUMN. BUT IF IT IS IN MAC AND LMI AREA AND IT CAN BE FUNDED AND RESTRICTED . THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. >> EVEN THE ARPA FUNDS? >> THE OTHER THING JUDGE IS THAT ONE IS COMMITTED TO THE HAPPENING OF IT. >> YES. YES. MAKE SURE, YES OR NO. RIGHT BESIDE THE PROJECT WHICH COLUMN THEY ARE IN BEFORE WE COME BACK ON TUESDAY. YES. >> THE OTHER THING THOUGH, JUDGE, AND COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER, IS THERE ARE SOME PROJECT THAT ARE HUGE. TELL MILLION DOLLARS WOULD BENEFIT A HUGE AREA. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN 73, THAT IS GOING TO HELP EVERYTHING FROM BANQUETE TO CITY PARK, TO JUST GO AND ALL THE WAY DOWN. IF YOU PUT THAT HUGE POND OVER THERE >> -- WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY I HOPE IT WOULD. >> IS GOING TO HELP THE WEST PORTION OF IT. >> THAT IS WHY IT NEEDS TO BE PRIORITIZED WHEN YOU PUT THEM ON THE LIST AS WELL. >> BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHAT GOT -- I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I WAS NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS WAS ADDING UP TO WHERE WE COULD EVEN GET CLOSE TO THIS. MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS EVERYBODY NEEDS TO COME UP WITH -- >> TOP THREE? >> -- I DON'T KNOW, THEIR PRIORITIES AND JUSTIFY HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND IT. I DID NOT COME UP WITH A WISH LIST. I CAME UP WITH A SMALL AMOUNT THAT WAS NOT GOING TO DRESS DRAIN THE TAINE TANK TOO MUCH. >> NO, NO, BUT I AM JUST SAYING I KNEW Y'ALL WOULD NEED MORE THAN I WOULD AND I AM OKAY WITH THAT BUT I JUST CAME UP WITH THE ONES I NEEDED RIGHT NOW. THAT WAS IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSTANDS IT. THERE IS A LOT ON THE LIST THAT WE CAN DO BUT WE NEED TO FIND THAT LMI DEFINED BECAUSE THAT IS A HARD ONE FOR ME TO PUT MY HEAD AROUND. BUT IT IS LMI ELIGIBLE. MAYBE THERE IS NO PROJECT THAT IS ELIGIBLE . >> OKAY. >> SO. >> TUESDAY? ARE GOING TO GO TUESDAY? >> CAN WE SET THAT NOW? IT IS NOT REALLY A WORKSHOP BECAUSE IT IS AN ACTION ITEM TOO. >> WE ARE GOING TO SET FOR TUESDAY AFTERNOON . I THINK MORNING WAS UNAVAILABLE FOR SOME. SO, TUESDAY AFTERNOON? 1:00 TO 5:00. >> IF I CAN GET SO 1:30 SO I CAN BE DONE BY NOON. >> 2:00? >> 1:30? 1:30 IS GOOD. >> 1:30 ON TUESDAY? >> TUESDAY. >> SO WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE BY 5:00. >> I DON'T HAVE MY CALENDAR BUT IT WILL BE OKAY. >> JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, CAN I ADD SOMETHING? SO THE APPLICATION IS DUE FEBRUARY THE 21ST, PRIOR TO CEMENTING APE APPLICATION, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE APPLICATION , THE PROJECTS WITH THE COST HAS TO BE OUT POSTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AT LEAST 14 DAYS. >> SO TUESDAY WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AND POST. >> WE ARE VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING ON TUESDAY. >> IT CAN'T JUST BE THIS LONG LIST? >> WE ARE GOING TO SUBMIT FOR APPLICATION WITHIN THE BUDGET AMOUNT. THERE HAS TO BE A PROVIDED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. WE HAVE TO. OKAY. >> OKAY. I THINK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS TOO. WE APPRECIATE IT AND WE PROMISE WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS ON TUESDAY. >> YES, WE WILL. NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND IT. >> THE DAY WE GO BACK TO THE REGULAR MEETING STILL WITH THE AUDITOR, I THINK WE ARE ON THAT PART AND THEN WE WILL GO FOR THE LAST PART, GO INTO EXECUTIVE DECISION. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WE ARE GOING TO SECTION B BEFORE WE STOPPED. OKAY. SECTION D1, APPROVE THE MONTHLY [1. Approve the Monthly Expense Report for Fiscal Year 2022-2023 ending December 31st, 2022 with no P-Card.] [05:00:13] EXPENSE REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023 ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2022 WITH NO P-CARD AND WHY IS THERE NO P-CARD? >> RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE MISSING ANYWHERE FROM -- I WANTED TO TRY TO GET YOU A BALANCE OF WHERE WE ARE. WITH THE POSITION AS OF DECEMBER WHICH IS THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR FOR OUR FINANCES , SO I WAS JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS ROLE QUICKLY SO IF WE GO TO PAGE ONE, YOU WILL SEE WHERE WE COMPARE LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. AS YOU SEE A LOT OF THE BOUNCES WERE BELOW LAST YEAR, WHICH IS VERY PROMISING. OUR SALARIES CAN BE HIGHER BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE AN INCREASE BUT OUR BENEFITS ARE LESS. WE HAVE OTHER EASEMENT IS FOR OUR UTILITIES ARE VERY LESS WHICH IS PROMISING. AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET STARTING ON PAGE THREE MOVING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PAGE 25, THERE IS NO BUDGET REQUIREMENTS. SO, EVERYBODY IS WELL . WE NEED TO THINK ALL THE DEPARTMENT AND COMMISSIONERS WE ARE WORKING WITH TO KEEP THEM ON A GOOD CYCLE. RIGHT NOW, IF WE FOLLOW THE YEAR, WE HAVE 75% OF THE YOUR REMAINING AN 85% OF THE BUDGET LEFT SO WE ARE DOING VERY WELL ON ALL OF THOSE ISSUES AS I SAID, NO POLICIES FOR THE BUDGET AND THAT IS ALSO FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER FUNDS. OUR STADIUM FUNDS IN OUR LETTER . I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU, JOE. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR ANY QUESTIONS? >> SO WHEN WILL WE GET THE P CARD? >> USUALLY THE DEPARTMENTS ARE VERY SLOW IN VALIDATING THEIR EXPENSES. IT MIGHT TAKE ONE TO TWO MONTHS TO TRY TO ADVANCE THAT. WHEN WE GET THE NEW SYSTEM COMING IN , IT WON'T REQUIRE A VERIFICATION FOR YOU TO KNOW THE AMOUNT BUT IT WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO BE VERIFIED BUT WE WILL KNOW THE AMOUNT. RIGHT NOW, OUR CURRENT SYSTEM DOES NOT ALLOW US TO SEE THE AMOUNT AND DOES NOT VERIFY IT. >> ONE WILL OUR NEW SYSTEM COME IN? >> JANUARY 2024. >> OKAY. >> SORRY, JUDGE, FOR THE RECORD, WE PAY MONTHLY. SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN. >> PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO RECONCILE THEIR EXPENSES. I CANNOT GIVE YOU IT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SYSTEM WAITING TO BE PROCESSED AND VERIFIED. IF IT IS NOT VERIFIED, IT IS NOT IN THE SYSTEM REPORT. I PAID THE EXPENSE BUT I DO NOT HAVE THE EXPENSE. I PAID THE BILL BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE EXPENSE IS. >> SO WE PAY THE BILL BUT WE DO NOT SEE WHAT IT IS? WE CAN'T RENT ANYTHING OUT? >> WE ARE FIGHTING WITH THEM EVERY MONTH. >> THE P CARD SYSTEM IS A MESS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A MESS AND IT IS NOT NECESSARILY ANYONE ADMINISTERING THE MESS , IT IS THE SYSTEM. PART OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED, IN MY OPINION, IS THE PURCHASING BOARD AND HOW WE DEAL WITH THESE P CARDS . BUT AS ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO GET ON THE PURCHASING BOARD SO WE CAN ADDRESS THIS. IT IS AN ILLOGICAL SYSTEM AND, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND DALE'S ASKED NATIONS BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW THAT CAN BE THE CASE. BUT THAT IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION. IT IS A MESS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY HOW TO FIX IT YET BUT I WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD SO HOPEFULLY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AND I CAN BE WORKING ON THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. SO WE CAN GET THE CDBG MONEY AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF. >> >> SO WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. [2. Approve Budget Change Order No. 06 for Fiscal Year 2022-2023.] >> AYE. ANY OPPOSED ? >> MOVING ON TO APPROVE THE BUDGET CHANGE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023. >> THE TWO DEPARTMENTS HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE ADMINISTRATION. THE MECHANICAL MAINTENANCE NEED SOME REPAIRS. THE CAMERA EQUIPMENT IS STARTING TO FAIL. WE DID NOT KNOW IT WILL BE SOME ISSUES SO THAT IS WHY THE FUNDS ARE THERE FOR THOSE CASES. MOVING IT OUT OF 1570. THERE'S A CONTINGENCY TO PAY FOR SOME PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT WILL BE NEEDED BY THE COURT DEALING WITH A SMALL AMOUNT FOR THE JUDGE'S OFFICE FOR REPAIR. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE BUDGET ORDER [05:05:02] CHANGES REQUEST PROVIDED BY THE OFFICE. WE BELIEVE THESE ARE ADEQUATE AND AVAILABLE FOR FUNDS SO WE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO SUBMIT BUDGET CHANGES. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, [3. Approve Capital Project Budget Change Order No. 116.] PLEASE SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. >> MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVE CAPITAL PROJECT BUDGET CHANGE ORDER NO. 116. . >> DETERMINING THAT WE HAVE FOUR OF OUR PRODUCE ABUTTING FUNDING SOURCES. WE HAVE A 2019, 21, AND 2022 . THE COMMUNITY SYSTEM IS CLOSE AND THE COST CENTER NEEDS THE FUNDS SO WE'RE MOVING AROUND AND SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS HAVE BEEN CLOSE AND WE ARE MOVING FUNDS BACK TO COMMISSIONER PRECINCT 1 AS WELL AS MOVING THINGS FOR THE PARK. FOR THE 2019 SERIES, WE ARE MOVING SOME STUFF . AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ISSUES. THE LARGEST ONE IS THE 2015, WHICH IS OUR GENERATORS . WE ARE PUTTING THE FUNDS TO PUT THE INSULATION FOR THOSE SO THAT IS BEING MOVED OUT OF THE ALLOCATED FUNDS AND WE KNEW THAT ONE WAS COMING. AND AS I'LL REMEMBER, LAST COMMISSIONERS COURT, WE BOUGHT SOME EQUIPMENT AND WE ARE PROVIDING THEM THE FUNDING SOURCE WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE COURT FOR THE 2022 CPBCO. I WILL BE GLAD TO SUBMIT ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OTHERWISE ESTIMATE FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE AND APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DALE. [1. Discuss and consider approval of the following two reclassifications of positions: 1. Environmental Enforcement Department #5220 – Two (2) Environmental Enforcement Officers Positions from Pay Group 20 to Pay Group 22 2. Engineering Department #0121 – One (1) Geographical Information system (GIS)/AutoCAD Designer Position from Pay Group 25 to Pay Group 27] >> ITEM E1. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE. >> WENDY WANTED TO -- WHEN DO YOU WANT TO TABLE AND? >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE TO THE FEBRUARY 22ND MEETING. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CHESNEY SECONDED IT. ALL THOSE IN [1. Approve the Criminal Justice Information System (CJIS) Addendum to the Master Odyssey Agreement.] FAVOR SAY AYE. >> BE MOVING FORWARD. I DO MATH. INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. DARRELL, YOU ARE UP. APPROVE THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEM ADDENDUM TO THE MASTER ODYSSEY AGREEMENT . >> THIS IS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEM MENACED BY THE FBI AND IT IS REQUIRED PRIMARILY FOR THE GUIDELINES FOR THEM TO FOLLOW WHENEVER THEY ARE HOUSING AND PROCESSING DATA . IT DOES REQUIRE THE JUDGES TEMPERATURE AND WE WILL WRITE A COPY TO THEM . THERE ARE NO CHANGES ON THE AGREEMENT WHATSOEVER. THE MONETARY DOES NOT LOWER THE AGREEMENT EITHER SO IT IS PRETTY ROUTINE. >> YEAH. I READ THROUGH THIS SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> THE OPPOSED, SAY NAY. . [2. Discuss and consider authorizing two temporary employees at 29 hours per week for 90 days to assist with ongoing intercom replacements at the county jail.] WE ARE STILL DOING ITEM NUMBER TWO, RIGHT? DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING TWO TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES AT 29 HOURS PER WEEK FOR 90 DAYS TO ASSIST WITH ONGOING INTERCOM REPLACEMENTS AT THE COUNTY JAIL. IT SEEMS TO BE THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE. >> YES, THEY ARE CONTINUALLY BEING VANDALIZED SO IT IS A FULL-TIME JOB FOR THREE EMPLOYEES TO KEEP UP WITH THIS. THERE ARE WHOLE LOT OF INTERCOMS OVER THERE . I DO DEDICATE ONE I.T. PERSON AS THE LEAD FULL-TIME SO I HAVE TWO TEMPS FOR 90 DAYS THAT RUN OUT , WHICH IS STILL A VERY LONG LIST. IT IS A PERPETUAL PROBLEM [05:10:03] SO WE ARE KIND OF STUCK WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW. >> ARE WE ACTUALLY -- ONCE WE FIX IT, -- >> WE CAN PREVENT IT. THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR IT UP AS AND AS YOU PUT IT IN THERE. >> CAN YOU DO IT LIKE A METAL THING THAT GOES AROUND THE BOX? >> >> YES. THE PUBLIC SPARKS HAVE BEEN WORKING WELL WITH PROVIDING HOUSING THAT WE PUT IN THERE , BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE SO MANY OF THESE THAT THOSE HOUSINGS GET INSTALLED AS THEY GET VANDALIZED . >> SO THEY ARE JUST NOT THERE YET? >> YEAH. THERE IS NEVER A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO ALL AT ONE TIME. SO, YES. THERE ARE THREE AREAS OF DESTRUCTION TO THE INTERCOM IT'S SELF. SOMETIMES, THEY GET IN THERE AND CAN DAMAGE THE WIRING. IT CAN ACTUALLY REQUIRE THREE PEOPLE, ONE ON EACH THREE FLOORS FEEDING A WIRE DOWN. WITH CERTAINLY GOT SIX STORIES AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM AND BACK BACK TO OUR SYSTEM. AND THAT TAKES A LONG TIME AND IT TAKES TWO TIMES AND THEY ARE HELPING TO DO THAT PART. >> I UNDERSTAND, DARRELL, TOO THAT THE CHERYL SHERIFF HAS OFFERED TO RECLASSIFY ONE OF HIS POSITIONS TO KEEP SOMEBODY THERE FULL-TIME? >> YES. YES. >> BECAUSE THIS IS AN ONGOING CONTINUAL KIND OF THING? BUT IT SEEMS THIS IS A NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS GOING AWAY. IT SEEMS LIKE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM. SO I APPRECIATE THE SHERIFF WILLING TO DO THIS. >> YES. IT REALLY WAS BUDGETED BY THE I.T.. >> UNDERSTAND. >> SO YOU WILL DO ONE AND THEN HE WOULD DO TWO. NEED TO GO PART-TIME? >> YES. IT TAKES, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS ARE WIRING. SOMETIMES, WHAT THEY DON'T SEE THE KIND OF HAVE INTERCOMS BEING REPAIRED. THEY'RE NOT INSTALLING AN ACTUAL INTERCOM. IT IS A LOT OF WIRING. IF THEY CAN GET IN THERE AND DESTROY THE WIRING AND SOMETIMES NOT TOO FAR AWAY BUT YOU CAN'T STRETCH THE WIRE TO MAKE IT REACH THE END SO WE HAVE TO RERUN A NEW WIRE. >> YOU WANT TO EXTEND THE PART-TIME? OR WHAT? >> FOR 90 DAYS. WE DID 90 DAYS A WHILE BACK AND TODAY WILL WAS THE SECOND ONE'S LAST DAY. HAVE A SECOND? OH, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ SECONDED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? AND THIS IS THE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE TWO TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES TO CONTINUE FOR 90 DAYS AND WESECOND. ALL THOSE IN AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A POSSIBLE NOTION FOR THIS AREA SHERIFF TO DO THAT? >> NO, IT WAS JUST AN OFFER. >> AGENDA. >> FOR THE 90 DAYS? >> KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DONE IN A DIFFERENT MEETING. >> SORRY. SO THAT IS THE END OF OUR REGULAR AGENDA. WE CAN GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT WE DID NOT GET TO. WANT TO DO THE ONES THAT WE DID NOT GET TO? >> WE CAN. SURE. >> YES. WE HAD AN ACTION FOR [B. Consult with County Attorney regarding legal matters related to acceptance and approval of Progressive Insurance's offer of settlement for Nueces County's Total loss" property damage claim associated with an October 17, 2022 incident involving a Nueces County Constable Precinct 4 vehicle; authorize the County Judge and/or other appropriate County official to execute all documents as necessary in order to complete this settlement transaction; and related matters. (Tex. Gov't Code §551.071)] EXECUTIVE ITEM BE B. DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT AND AUTHORIZE THE JUDGE TO SIGN? >> A MOTION TO HAVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ACCEPT THE OFFER OF $18,000.04 AND JUST SIGN THE DOCUMENTS THAT NEED TO BE SIGNED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY [C. Consult with County Attorney regarding legal matters related to approval of the fifth supplemental engagement letter dated December 28, 2022 with Craig Enoch and his firm Enoch Kever PLLC to provide legal services related to San Patricio/Nueces County boundary dispute and tax legislation; and related matters. (Tex. Gov't Code §551.071)] AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. WE ARE DOING C , I GUESS. [05:15:09] >> FOR THAT MOTION THAT YOU JUST MADE, THAT IS 3A18 , BECAUSE WE NEED TO REFER BACK TO THE OPEN AGENDA PORTION. THAT IS FOR THE LOST PROPERTY. >> ON THE ORIGINAL AGENDA. I DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE LIST BESIDE ME. SORRY. WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH. >> AND JUDGE, IT WILL RELATE TO ITEM -- >> 3A20 . >> TO PROVIDE LEGAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE NUECES COUNTY COUNTY DISPUTE AND TAX LEGISLATION MATTERS. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. ON 20 -- >> IT RELATES TO D. YES, [D. Consult with County Attorney regarding legal matters related to approval of the supplemental engagement letter dated December 29, 2022 with Doug Chaves of Chaves, Obregon, & Perales LLC to provide legal services related to the San Patricio/Nueces County boundary dispute and tax legislation; and related matters. (Tex. Gov't Code §551.071)] MA'AM. AGAIN. >> D. >> MOTION TO APPROVE -- TO PROVIDE LEGAL SERVICES FOR TAX LEGISLATION RELATED MATTERS. >> DO HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> EXCUSE ME. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RESPOND BY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. NONE BEING. MOTION PASSES. >> THAT IS 16 A? [E. Consult with the County Attorney regarding legal matters related to the Memorandum of Understanding between Banquete ISD and Nueces County to supply temporary school resource officer from American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding; and related matters (Tex. Gov’t Code § 551.071).] >> 14 IS D. >> JUDGE, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO NOT RATIFY THE AGREEMENT WITH BANQUETE ISD AND TO BRING BACK THE CHANGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE COURT IN REGARDS TO BANQUETE ISD. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. >> CONTINUE NEGOTIATION . >> I CANNOT READ MY WRITING. >> TO NOT RATIFY AND CONTINUE NEGOTIATION. ALL IN FAVOR RESPOND BY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED , SAME SIGN. NONE BEING. THE MOTION PASSES. WE MAY COME OUT AND HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN. THE TIME IS 3:35. >> JUDGE, DO WE HAVE TO DO THESE TODAY? ARE THEY TIME SENSITIVE? I AM JUST CURIOUS. >> TIME SENSITIVE? >> WHICH ONE ARE AT? >> WE HAVE L AND J. >> WELL, THE J DEALS WITH ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT WE ARE WORKING ON BUT IT IS JUST IMPORTANT . >> IS ONLY 3:30. WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT AND GET IT OVER WITH. >> IT IS 3:35. WE ARE GOING ITEMS FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION TO BRING UP SO I WOULD ASK IF THERE ARE ANY ADJOURNMENTS IN MEMORY TODAY. ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? >> THERE BEING NONE, I WILL TAKE A NOTION TO ADJOURN. IN A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.