F. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.

[F. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.]

AT THIS TIME THERE IS NOBODY SIGNED UP ON PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I ALWAYS ASK WHETHER ONLINE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.

YES? >> YES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MR. RIOS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SIGN UP? GIVE US JUST A MOMENT.

ANYBODY ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

AT THIS TIME, JUST RAISE YOUR ICON OF A HAND BY YOUR NAME, AND WE CAN CALL UPON YOU. OKAY.

AARON RIOS WILL BE NEXT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: EXCUSE ME, JUDGE, WE ARE STILL ON CONSENT AGENDA?

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE AT PUBLIC COMMENT.

I KNEW I HEARD A YES. JEREMY COLEMAN.

ARE YOU ON LIEN? IT IS COMING UP NAACP.

>> YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: GREAT.

YOU WILL BE NEXT FOLLOWING A GENTLEMAN IN THE COURT ROOM.

IS IT A PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM? WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT FOR THE AGENDA ITEM OR GO NOW. IT'S UP TO YOU.

>> LIKE TO GO NOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD.

YOU WILL SEE THAT CONNIE HAS GOT YOUR CLOCK ON.

>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU MAY PROCEED

WHENEVER YOU ARE READY. >> OKAY.

MY NAME IS AARON RIOS. I WORK FOR THE CAN COOUNTYCOUNT 36 YEARS AT THE CENTRAL PLANT. AND -- AND I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING MAINTENANCE HERE. I AM A FOREMAN HERE.

AND MY CONCERN IS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE ABOUT THE BOILERS. ABOUT THE BOILERS.

ABOUT THEM BEING UNSAFE. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS -- HAS KNOWN THE EFFECT OF IT. THE STATE HAS BEEN INVOLVED.

AND THEY RULED THAT BOILERS ARE UNSAFE.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, INCIDENTS HERE AT THE COURTHOUSE THAT HAVE MADE -- YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY SEEN STUFF HERE THAT HAS HAPPENED.

AND I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN IN THE EQUIPMENT ROOM AND SHUT DOWN EQUIPMENT AND HAD SOMEBODY SHUT DOWN EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT. YOU KNOW, THIS BOILER PROJECT HAS GONE A YEAR OVER -- OVER THAN IT IS SUPPOSED TO.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE FINISHED. AND WE ARE STILL GOING THROUGH OUR PUNCH LIST OF ITEMS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW.

IT LOOKS LIKE SMOKE AND MIRRORS THAT THEY ARE JUST FEEDING Y'ALL. SO I AM JUST -- THAT WAS MY

CONCERN. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. JEREMY COLEMAN, RECOGNIZING YOU, SIR.

ON BELINE UNDER CONNIE, T THE NAACP, 6168.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.

I JUST WANTED TO BE BRIEF. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING THERE IN PERSON, BUT I DID WANT TO SAY TO JUDGE CANALES AND

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COMMISSIONER MAREZ AND COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO SUPPORTED THE NAACP, AND ALSO FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH US, WITH THE PROGRAM THAT WE LOOK TO SEE COME INTO PLAY IN 2023. THROUGH OUR CHAPTER, THROUGH OUR ORGANIZATION. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TO JUDGE CANALES. OUR NAACP EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND STATE OFFICE HELD A MEETING THREE DAYS AGO.

I CALLED THE MEETING AND THEN I SHARED WITH OUR EXECUTIVE OFFICERS YESTERDAY AND THE DAY BEFORE AND SOME OF THEM MAY COME UP TO THE COURTHOUSE JUST TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU ALL PERSONALLY FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND OUR PARTNERSHIP.

BUT I DO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE TRULY APPRECIATE THE SERVICE THAT YOU GIVE AND DID GIVE OVER THESE PAST FOUR YEARS.

AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOME GREAT COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE. AND THAT WILL CONTINUE ON TO DOING THE WORK FOR OUR COMMU

COMMUNITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE, CONNIE, ONLINE. SO I THINK WE WILL MOVE ON AND ACCEPT FOR -- I JUST SAW JUDGE SANDRA WATTS WALK IN.

[2. In recognition of the Honorable Sandra Watts of the 117th District Court for her years of service to Nueces County.]

SO I AM GOING TO RECALL ITEM H-2.

AND ASK THAT -- THANK YOU. I AM GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. AND, AGAIN, I AM GOING TO RESERVE IN CASE SOMEBODY COMES BACK IN.

SOIL DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE, TO H-2, IN RECOGNITION OF THE HONORABLE SANDRA WATTS OF THE 117TH DISTRICT COURT FOR HER YEARS OF SERVICE TO NUECES COUNTY.

NOW I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I HAVE KNOWN JUDGE WATTS WHEN SHE WAS MRS. WATTS. AND MRS. WATTS WAS A GREAT MOTHER AND A GREAT LAWYER. I DID NOT KNOW YOU WHEN YOU WERE A TEACHER, BUT I KNOW YOU GAVE TEN YEARS OF SERVICE AS A SCHOOLTEACHER. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVED MOST ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID AT YOUR RETIREMENT PARTIES THAT YOU NEVER STOPPED TEACHING. I TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT.

EVERY TIME I AM IN A ROOM WITH YOU, I AM LEARNING SOMETHING.

SOMETIMES IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE LAW.

IT COULD JUST BE A PRINCIPLE OR MAYBE A WAY TO EMULATE, YOU KNOW, A DECISIVE ACTION. ALWAYS IMPRESSIVE TO ME HOW YOU ARE ALWAYS ABSORBING INFORMATION AND REGURGITATE IT AND THEN TEACHING OTHERS. BUT AFTER YOU BECAME A TEACHER, YOU WANTED TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL. I REMEMBER THE FAMOUS DAYS OF THREE DAY AS WEEK ON SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.

AND THAN EMERGED NOT JUST A TRIUMPHANT LAWYER, BUT A LAWYER WHO WAS FIRST IN HER CLASS, COMING HOME TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PRACTICE OF LAW FOR OVER 21 YEARS.AS A LAWYER, AS A FAMILY LAWYER. AND AS SAID.

I KNOW ALL YOUR CHILDREN ARE, YOU FAVORITES BUT THE ONE I HAVE KNOWN THE LONGEST WHO INTRODUCED YOU SAYING YOU BETTER BE ON HER SIDE OTHERWISE YOU WILL BE ON THE WRONG SIDE IN THE FAMILY LAW CASE. FOR 21 YEARS.

YOU HELPED MEN, WOMEN AND FAMILIES GO THROUGH THE MOST DIFFICULT TIMES IN THEIR LIVES. AND THEN YOU DECIDED TO EMBARK ON BECOMING A JUDGE. YOU SPENT ANOTHER TWO DECADES HERE WITH US HERE AT NUECES COUNTY COURTHOUSE.

JUST WHEN WE THOUGHT THE ACCOLADES WOULD MAYBE TRANSFER TO A DIFFERENT ARENA, YOU HAVE BEEN SELECTED TO BE OUR AUXILIARY COURT JUDGE. I COULDN'T THINK OF A FINER SELECTION BECAUSE WE NEED YOU SO MUCH.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS SMALL TOKEN OF APPRECIATION AND FICTION IN THE FORM OF A CERTIFICATE WITH OUR SIGNATURES COLLECTIVELY ON THEM IS JUST ABOUT A TOKEN OF THE OVERALL JUST ADMIRATION WE ALL HAVE FOR YOU. ANYBODY WHO HAS HAD ANY TIME IN THE COURTHOUSE KNOWS YOUR DEDICATION.

TO DRUG COURT, TO FAMILIES, TO MENTAL HEALTH, TO THOSE RISK ASSESSMENTS THAT REALLY BECAME THE PROTOTYPE WHAT WE HAVE NOW WHICH ISN'T AS GOOD AS YOU BROUGHT US BUT AT LEAST THEY FIGURED OUT WE WERE NEEDING IT. I JUST THINK THIS IS A VERY FITTING TRIBUTE AND WE WILL HAVE TO DO ANOTHER ONE WHEN YOU DECIDE NOT TO BE THE AUXILIARY COURT JUDGE ANYMORE.

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YOUR ALMOST RETIREMENT CERTIFICATE, A GREAT IMPRESSION ON THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS AND NUECES COUNTY.

IN GRATEFUL RECOGNITION -- IT SAYS, 19, SANDY.

>> 19 YEARS AND NINE MONTHS. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOSH, WE SHOULD

HAVE PUT THAT ON THERE. >> RETIRED SEPTEMBER 3.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IN HONOR OF THE 19 YEARS AND NINE MONTHS OF SERVICE WITH NUECES COUNTY, WE DO, HEARBY, EXPRESS OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION AND INVITE TO YOU THE PODIUM.

BUT FIRST, LET US DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING SINCE THE BEGINNING OF CIVILIZATION WHEN WE HONOR OUR HEROES.

THANK YOU SO WERE.

>> I THINK THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TELL YOU IS I AM A VERY PUNCTUAL JUDGE. I WAS TOLD 9:00 AND WALKED IN THREE MINUTES OF 9:00. I THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION.

I DIDN'T REALIZE I WOULD GET TO THIS AGE SO FAST.

WHEN I RAN FOR JUDGE, I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS MANDATORY RETIREMENT. WHEN I RAN THE LAST TIME, THAT IS WHEN I LEARNED, OKAY, I CAN RUN ONE MORE TERM.

I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY RAN ANOTHER ONE AND ANOTHER ONE, BUT THE STATUTE SAYS I HAVE TO RETIRE, WHICH IS WHAT I DID.

I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW GRATIFYING IT IS -- IT HAS BEEN TO SERVE AS NUECES COUNTY DISTRICT JUDGE.PROBABLY THE HIGHLIGHT -- I LOVED ALL THREE OF MY CAREER PATHS, I -- I THINK I GREW IN THE JOB AND I HOPE THAT I HAVE BEEN SOMEONE WHO WAS ABLE TO TOUCH POSITIVELY A LOT OF FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION.

YOU ARE GOING TO SEE ME AROUND, BUT NOT SEE ME AROUND EVERY SINGLE DAY OR EVERY WEEK. I DO HAVE A COUPLE WEEKS OFF IN THIS NEW GIG. AND I WILL SERVE AS LONG AS I RECEIVE AN ASSIGNMENT FROM THE FIFTH REGION.

OR AS LONG AS THE GRANT RUNS OUT.

ONE OF THE OTHER. SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WELL, THANK YOU.

ANY LAWYER KNOWS YOU ALL BETTER BE PREPARED BECAUSE WHAT 19.9 YEARS OF SERVICE DOES, IT HONE YOUR EXPERIENCE.

SO YOUNG LAWYERS, YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET THE MAST SEASONED

AUXILIARY COURT JUDGE. >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT "SEASONED." DOES THAT MEAN OLD?

[LAUGHTER] >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER

CHESNEY WANTS TO ADD. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO ADD TO YOUR COMMENTS. JUDGE WATTS, YOU ARE ALWAYS A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY AND SO APPRECIATED.

AS A FORMER YOUNG LAWYER WHO BOTH YOU HEMMED AS A FAMILY LAWYER AS I WAS BECOMING ONE AND AS A JUDGE -- AS A JUDGE -- AS A LAWYER IN THE COURT AND AS A YOUNG JUDGE, NOT YOUNG, BUT A BEGINNING ROOKIE JUDGE. YOU WERE SUPER HELPFUL.

YOU -- PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK OF JUDGES HAVING TO RUN ON PARTISAN LABELS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE BRIEF MOMENT OF TIME THAT I SERVED, I NEVER LOOKED OF SOMEONE IN MY COURT WHAT PARTY THEY REPRESENTED FROM A LAWYER STAND STANDPOINT AND CLIENT STANDPOINT. YOU WERE THE EPITOME, THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY KICK THEM IN THE BUTT PERSON AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY HOLD THEM -- I APPRECIATED THAT.

NEVER A TIME AS AN ATTORNEY IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT SOMEONE COULD SAY TO ME -- OR WOULD SAY THAT YOU WILL NOT GET A FAIR SHAKE IN JUDGE WATTS' COURT. THE BOTTOM LINE BEING A JUDGE, THAT YOU GOT A FAIR SHAKE AND SHE FOLLOWED THE LAW AND DID IT WITH CLASS AND DIGNITY AND YOU CERTAINLY EPITOMIZED THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR LONG SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND JUST KNOWING YOU PERSONALLY SINCE I WAS A VERY, VERY YOUNG MAN FROM CHURCH. SO OUR LINEAGE GOES WAY, WAY BACK. SO CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RETIREMENT. I KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE SAT THERE FOREVER IF YOU WOULD HAVE ALLOWED TO AND WE WOULD BENEFIT YOU SIT THERE FOREVER HAD YOU BEEN ALLOWED TO AND GLAD YOU WILL BE AROUND IN SOME CAPACITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE, NOT JUST THE BENCH FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

YOU DID SO MUCH OUTSIDE OF THE BENCH.

IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. >> THANK YOU.

I WANT TO SAY THAT I RAN REPEATEDLY FIVE TIMES AND I DID NOT DRAW A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN OPPONENT IN ALL THAT TIME PERIOD. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT I NEVER SAW LABELS. YOU KNOW.

IT'S THE LAW AND THE FACTS OF THE CASE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGREED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:

CONGRATULATIONS, JUDGE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU ALLOW US A PHOTO, I BET ALL OF THE

COMMISSIONERS LOVE THAT. >> IF I MAY SOMETHING BECAUSE I AM AN APPOINTED OFFICIAL. I WAS INTERVIEWED TEN YEARS AGO OF THE POSITION I WAS IN. JUDGE WATTS WAS IN THE INTERVIEW. I APPRECIATE JUDGE WATTS' BELIEF IN ME AND SUPPORT ME THROUGH THE TIME I HAVE BEEN THE COUNTY AUDITOR. HER AND HERNANDEZ IS THE ONE

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ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED MY NAME FOR THE APPOINTMENT.

I AM GRATEFUL FOR HER SUPPORT AND HER BELIEF IN ME AND HOW WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND CONGRATULATE HER ON REMEMBER RETIREMENT AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER IN THE FUTURE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, WE HAVE YOU TO BLAME FOR DALE,

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? >> NO, YOU ALL VOTED.

>> I WANT TO SAY ONE THING TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE JUDGE, FOR 20 YEARS I HAVE COME BEFORE YOU ON A NUMBER OF TIMES REQUESTING THINGS AND I CAN REMEMBER ONE -- I CAN REMEMBER ONE TIME COMING AND THE MOST -- I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE JUDGES, ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU HAVE IN EFFECT -- BESTOWED ON US. BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU MY FAVORITE THING ARE FOUR ELEVATORS.

I CAME BEFORE YOU AND SAID WE HAVE GOTTEN SO ACCUSTOMED TO HAVING TWO ELEVATORS WORK AND THAT IS A NORM.

WHEN WE ARE DOWN TO ONE HE WILL I THINK I NEED TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. OUR NEW ELEVATORS TALK TO US AND WE LIKE IT. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE JUDGES. WE DO DATE BACK.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A LONG TIME.

JUDGE, I REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE FLYING BACK AND FORTH TO

HOUSTON. >> THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.

I USED TO SAY I WAS TOO IG TO DEVELOP A ADVERSE POSSESSION ON THE RIGHT WING OF SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[G. Introduction of CEO of United Corpus Christi Chamber of Commerce, Al Arreola, Jr.]

>>JUDGE CANALES: BECAUSE I ALSO SAW HIM GET IN THE ROOM AND HE WANTS TO GET BACK TO HIS WORKPLACE.

PLEASE ALLOW ME TO REFER YOU BACK TO ITEM G AND OUR PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE YOU IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY MET HIM, THE NEW CEO OF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

PURCHASE AL ARREOLA. YOU CAME ON US WITH A FLASH AND I WANTED TO WELCOME THAT NUECES COUNTY GREETED YOU PROPERLY.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE CANALES FOR THE INVITATION.

THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING SOME OF YOU AND ALSO YOUR STAFFS. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO FOR THE GREATER COASTAL BEND AREA. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A THANK YOU.

ONE OF THE FIRST INTERNSHIPS IN COLLEGE WAS WITH COUNTY.

I SERVED -- I WORKED IN COURT ADMINISTRATION FOR JUDGE BALES BACK THEN. A PAID INTERNSHIP THANK YOU FOR THAT TOO. I APPRECIATE THE EXPERIENCE AND PROBABLY A PIECE OF WHY I ENDED UP GOING INTO THIS CAREER PATH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU GUYS KNOW OUR DOORS AT THE UNITED CHAMBER ARE MORE THAN OPEN.

THANK YOU FOR BEING GREAT PARTNERS TO STEW WARD THAT RELATIONSHIP AND ADVANCE YOUR INTEREST IN THE COUNTY AND IN THE COASTAL BEND REGION. I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY LIKE JUDGE CANALES SAID, HIT THE GROUND RUNNING DRINKING THROUGH A FIRE HOST TRYING TO LEARN AS MANY PARTNERS AS WE CAN.

OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING STARTS IN JANUARY AND WANT TO SHARE WITH THE COURT WHAT THE ORGANIZATION WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS. APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO POINT OUT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MET MISS HERNANDEZ. OUR COURT ADMINISTRATOR.

ANOTHER IMPORTANT STAKEHOLDERS TO KNOW.

AND MORE ELECTED PER SQUARE FOOT HERE IN NUECES COUNTY COURTHOUSE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE AND A GOOD PLACE TO HANG OUT.

WE INVITE YOU BACK OFTEN AND, OF COURSE, WE ARE PROUD TO SUPPORT THE UNITED CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI.

>> IF I CAN TAKE POINT OF PRIVILEGE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE AND THE CAPACITY.

IN THE CHAMBER, YOU WERE ACCESSIBLE TO ME WHEN I WORKED IN SAN ANTONIO AND YOU CA TIME FORUM AND YOU ARTICULATED SAY THE EXCITEMENT UNTIL BEND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK TOO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GRATEFUL. THANK YOU.

WE DO HAVE ANOTHER RECOGNITION. AS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED THAT JUDGE VALDEZ IS CALLING A DOCKET.

LET'S HOLD ON THAT, AND LET'S MOVE ALL THE WAY TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN I AM GOING TO ADVANCE THE METROCOM PIECE.

[2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]

THE CONSENT TEAM HAVE ITEMS A-P. A-P.

AND ASK FOR YOUR REVIEW AND IF ANY NEED CLARIFICATION OR IF YOU

HAVE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE A

FEW, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: TELL ME WHICH

ONE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: C AS IN CAT, J, K, AND L. THOSE ARE MY -- THOSE ARE THE

FOUR THAT I GOT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHTY.

ANYBODY ELSE? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I HAVE

ONE TOO. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHICH ONE?

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: CON CONSENT AGENDA.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I

GOT C. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALREADY PULLED

IT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:

LETTER E. >>JUDGE CANALES: LETTER E.

COMMISSIONER MAREZ. A MOTION TO APPROVE .

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. LET'S TAKE THEM IN ALPHABET ORDER. ITEM C.

IT COULD BE DIFFERENT YIELDS. GO TO COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND THEN HAVE YOU DIRECT IT STRAIGHT TO JAIL.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I HAD ONE QUESTION THE PORTER ROGERS BILL. IT WAS REDACTED AND I WOULD LIKE TO PULL THAT BILL ONLY. -- THAT IS MY ISSUE TO REVIEW IT NEXT EEXECUTIVE SESSION OR PRIVATELY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S DO THAT. PAUL THAT -- AND COMMISSIONER

HERNANDEZ, WHAT IS YOURS? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: ITEM 21-# 2. BRACEWELL AND BRANSCOM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TO EXECUTIVE

SESSION? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YES, MA'AM, IT IS. I ALSO HAVE -- ITEM 10.

9 AND 10 JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: EXECUTIVE

SESSION QUESTIONS? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I

THING IT WOULD BE. >>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU HAVE A LEGAL -- THE OTHER ONCE WERE LAWYERS.

DO YOU HAVE A LEGAL BASIS FOR TAKING THAT TO EXECUTIVE

SESSION? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE LEGAL BASIS OR NOT, LET IT TO THE COUNTY JUDGE TO LET ME KNOW. I AM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT

IT. >> IT MAY THAT BE IT IS JUST

SOLELY A BILLING QUESTION. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THAT

IS WHAT IT IS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I CAN'T TAKE THAT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND I WILL DEFINITELY TAKE ALL THE LAWYERS' BILLS TO EXECUTIVE GIVEN THERE ARE SOME REDACTIONS AND THAT THEY PERTAIN TO LEGAL, LITIGATION OR SOME CONTRACT SERVICE THEY ARE PERFORMING. HOW ABOUT ITEMS 9 AND 10.

CAN YOU DIRECT YOUR INQUIRY TO DALE.

THESE ARE -- I AM SURE DALE IS LOOKING AT THEM RIGHT NOW.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DID WE PUT 21 FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION?

>>JUDGE CANALES: YES, WE DID. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: OKAY, THANKS. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, I WILL LET YOU ASK YOUR -- WHAT IS YOUR BILLING QUESTION.

AND DALE IS LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.

NUMBER 9 -- SORRY, NUMBER 9 ON THE LIST, DALE.

AND NUMBER 10. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE

ONE MORE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON ITEM C.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE QUESTIONS ON A BILL.

GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH LISA. I NEEDED TO ASK HER WHERE IT LANDED. IS SHE AROUND, DALE.

SORRY, NUMBER 2, SALLY PALMER. E-MAILS THAT WENT BACK THIS WEEK WITH LISA INVOLVED AND I NEVER GOT AN ANSWERED AND I NEED FOR

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HER TO COME IN. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN CALL HER -- LET'S LET COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST GETTING THE HEADS UP.

>>JUDGE CANALES: UTMI, THAT PROJECT IS THE OBSERVATION DECK AND HER SERVICES ARE WITHIN THE BUDGET OF THE OBSERVATION DECK, EVEN THOUGH I WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL E-MAILS, I AM AWARE OF THE SITUATION. SO MAYBE YOU CAN ASK LISA TO COME IN SO WE CAN SOLVE THAT ISSUE AND I BELIEVE SCOTT CROSS

IS ON THE LINE AS WELL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS SAYING TO LET LISA COME IN. I WAS TRYING TO GIVE A HEADS-UP

BECAUSE SHE WASN'T IN THE ROOM. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, BACK IN OUR COURT.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: 21,000 OF PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

I WANT TO KNOW -- FOR ABM ENERGY SAVINGS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH ONE?

>>JUDGE CANALES: NUMBER 9. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BECAUSE

THERE ARE SEVERAL. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NO ATTACHMENT TO THAT. I DON'T HAVE AN ATTACHMENT TO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SO WHEN THESE -- HE IS ASKING A QUESTION, DALE, THAT HAS TO DO WITH THIS INVOICE.

WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR TO YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO PULL THESE AND WE WILL COME BACK TO THEM.

>> GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES AND WE WILL PULL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AND THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ACCEPTABLE, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.

HE NEEDS TIME TO LOOK IT OVER. SAME THING FOR SALLY PALMER.

IF YOU TEXT LISA AND WE CAN GET THAT INQUIRY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, WE PULLED 2, 9, 10, 18 AND WHICH

OTHER ONE ON THIS. >>JUDGE CANALES: NUMBER 2,

NUMBER 9 AND NUMBER 10. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND 18.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHO PULLED 18. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WAS

MINE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IS 18 ON.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE RED

REDACTED. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM CALLING IT PORTER ROGERS. BUT I WILL TAKE THE NUMBER.

18. 18, 9, 10 AND 2, 21 AND 22.

OKAY, KARA. THEY ARE BEING HOLD RIGHT NOW.

CAN I HAVE -- >> ATTORNEYS SOMEBODY IN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: BRACEWELL AND --

>> SO IT IS CLEAN, CAN YOU HOLD ALL OF IT BECAUSE YOU MAY APPROVE EVERYTHING AT ONCE. IS THAT OKAY?

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE ONLY THING ABOUT IT -- THAT'S FINE.

SOMETIMES IT IS NICE FOR THEM TO START PAYING PEOPLE THE MINUTE

WE APPROVE -- >> THEY WON'T DO IT AND WON'T HAPPEN. AND IT GOES THROUGH MY OFFICE AND THEY WILL SEND IT FRIDAY. REGARDLESS IT DOESN'T GO OUT

TODAY, SO IT'S OKAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEN WE WILL HOLD ON IT. LET'S MOVE TO -- AGAIN, WE ARE JUST HOLDING FOR A MOMENT. WELL, THE MOMENT HAS ARRIVED.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NUMBER E.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LISA, A QUESTION ON PAYING A BILL.

ITEM NUMBER 2 ON THE SPECIAL MOTIONS LIST.

IT IS C, 2-C ON CONSENT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE

SALLY PALMER. >> I NEVER HEARD BACK FROM MR. CROSS AND I CAN REACH OUT TO ALANNA OR MONICA.

BUT EVERYTHING I E-MAILED YOU IS ALL I HAD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LISA WAS QUESTIONING WHETHER THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE COURT AND COMING OUT OF MY COS AND WAITING FOR

INFORMATION AND MAYBE SCOTT. >>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS ONLINE.

I WILL ASK HIM TO UNMUTE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LISA COULDN'T FIND WHEN IT WAS VOTED FOR.

DISCUSSED -- >> DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.

IT IS NOT ACTIONABLE BECAUSE IT IS NOT PROPERLY NOTICED AND INTO

MINUTES. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S ASK SCOTT, BECAUSE THIS -- SALLY PALMER'S WORK IS INSIDE THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR CURATION. THE REASON YOUR COS ARE THERE.

MY RECOLLECTION THAT YOU AND I BOTH CONTRIBUTED TO IT THE OBSERVATION DECK, SO THIS IS A PERSON WHO DID CURATION FOR THE EXHIBITS RATHER THAN USING THE EXPENSIVE I ZONE, MUSEUM, MUSEUM -- CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME, MUSEUM ARTS -- WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? ANYWAY, THE POINT IS THAT SALLY PALMER IS DOING THE OBSERVATION. IT IS WITHIN THE BUDGET OF THE ORIGINAL OBSERVATION DECK BUDGET.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM LOOKING IF IT WAS VOTED ON.

WE NEVER GOT THAT RESPONSE. GOING BACK AND FORTH.

NEVER TO THE A RESPONSE OF E-MAIL VERSUS SCOTT.

SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER ANY CAN'T REMEMBER VOTING ON THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER, ALL I KNOW THAT THE BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED TO DEAL WITH THE -- THE EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE AND THE SAFETY SANE AGE AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORK ING WITH COLANA ALONG WITH

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THE ADA RAMP WAS APPROVED BY Y'ALL AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING STOURS IF IT WAS CO OR WHATEVER IT WAS. WE HAVE BEEN MOVING TO COMPLETING THAT MISSION USING THOSE FUNDS DILIGENTLY AND SPARINGLY TO COMPLETE IN PROJECT BY THE END OF JANUARY WHICH IS WHAT WE AGREED TO DO WITH U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE.

DARYL AND AIDEE, BELINDA AND MYSELF HAVE ALL BEEN THE PROJECT TEAM WORKING ON THIS. AS WE HAVE COSTS THAT COME UP TO FINISH THE MISSION WE WERE CHARGED WITH, THEN THEY WILL WORK WITH TERESA AND TERESA WILL DO THE MAGIC THROUGH THE AUDITOR'S. AS THIS PART OF A BUDGET WORKSHOP. I AM NOT AWARE OF IT AT ALL.

WHEN I WENT TO THE WORK AUTHORIZATION, I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE BUDGET Y'ALL GAVE ME.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM TRYING TO GET TO WHERE IS THE

SALLY PALMER CONTRACT. >> I HONESTLY WANTED TO KNOW IF THE NEW WAS ON TOP OF WHAT WE ALREADY PAID OR IF IT WAS -- IF THERE WAS -- IT IS IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY PAID OR IS THIS A SEPARATE THING, BECAUSE IT IS THE EXACT SAME PROPOSAL.

>> ORIGINALLY -- IF I MAY INTERJECT, ORIGINALLY WE CONSULTED AT UTSMI BECAUSE SHE IS DOING THE CURATION FOR THEIR SPACE OVER THERE. THAT IS A NOT A SKILL SET

CREATING EDUCATION DISPLAYS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM NOT ASK THAT QUESTION. WHERE THIS CAME FROM.

DID YOU DO IT, THE PARKS BOARD, I AM NOT SAYING IT IS A BAD THING. I DON'T REMEMBER TO US, I MAY -G THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND THE DISPLAYS WE ARE GOING TO DO AND DID THE PARKS BOARD SIGN OFF ON THIS.

DID WE SIGN OFF. >> Y'ALL BOTH DID BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL -- THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE THAT MARIA HAD WORKED UP WITH WITH THE TEAM TO GET US IN COMPLIANCE WAS BROUGHT TO COURT, AND THE COURT APPROVED THAT. NOT MY AGENDA ITEM BUT MARIA FROM GRANTS BROUGHT IT. COURT APPROVED IT AND IT SUBMITTED TO FISH AND WILDLIFE AND SPAYED, YES.

MOVE FORWARD. ALL OF THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE

PROPOSAL THAT THE COURT ADOPTED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL FROM SALLY PALMER.

I KNOW WHAT WE DID WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE.

YOU ARE SAYING THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE COURT.

SALLY PALMER? I DON'T REMEMBER SALLY PALMER BEING UP TO THE COURT. I AM VERY CLEAR WHAT WE APPROVED WITH U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE. I AM ASKING WHEN THE SALLY PALMER PART GET APPROVED BY THE COURT.

>> APPROVED IF OF THE PO BY THE PARK BOARD.

KIM ZAHN. KIM ZAHN-WITTEN, EXCUSE ME.

AND A PO FOLLOWING THE PROCUREMENT WITH THE U PO.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL I WAS ASKING.

WENT THROUGH THE PARKS BOARD AND APPROVED BY THE PARKS BOARD.

>> YES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PARKS BOARD VOTED -- I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE THAT WE WOULD HAVE SEEN IT BECAUSE -- WE DID FUND THAT FACILITY.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE FOR US TO KNOW.

I AM GLAD WE ARE USING UTMSI, THAT IS WHAT I AED IN THE FIRST PLACE NOT TO USE THE LIBRARY SYSTEM BUT TO USE UTMSI.

IT WOULD BE INTO IS IF THIS CAME TO US.

MAYBE I AM NOT REMEMBERING BUT I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING A PRESENTATION OR SEEING IT AND THANKSGIVING TO DO.

DID THAT COME TO US, SCOTT? DID THAT GET FORWARDED UP?

>>. >> YOU KNOW, SIR, I CAN'T REMEMBER. WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THE SPACE WHAT WE COMMITTED TO U.S. OFFICIAL AND WILDLIFE. I CAN'T REMEMBER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PARKS BOARD DOESN'T LIKE WHEN THEY GET LEFT OUT BY US. AND THE SAME THING.

I DON'T REMEMBER THIS. THIS CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD.

I WAS INVOLVED IN THOSE E-MAILS. I DIDN'T HEAR FINAL RESPONSE.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TODAY.

SO I AM FINE WITH THE PARKS BOARD DOING IT.

I THINK UTMSI IS A GREAT USE AND NICE TO NOT BE CAUGHT OFFGUARD AND SAYING THIS IS IF COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S COS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT SHE IS DOING.

NOT A PRESENTATION, BUT IF SOMEONE CAN SEND THE REST OF THE

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COURT SO THE COURT KNOW WHAT IS IS GOING ON IN OUR FACILITY.

BECAUSE I DON'T -- PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE DOING STUFF AND I DODON'T -- IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW.

IF YOU PASS IT ON TO ME, THAT WILL BE GREAT -- THE WHOLE

COURT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ARE YOU FINE

WITH MOVING ITEMS NUMBER 2. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE QUESTIONS THAT LISA HAD WASN'T ANSWERED YET.

>> I CAN GET WITH SCOTT. >>JUDGE CANALES: SCOTT, THE QUESTION THAT LISA HAS. ARE THESE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS OR

WITHIN BUDGET. >> ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.

THAT IS WHAT I NEEDED TO TO KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ADDITIONAL.

>> CAN I SPEAK NOW. ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.

HERE IS THE COMPARISON. I CHECKED WITH -- WE TRIED TO GET A QUOTE FROM MUSEUM ARTS, A PRO IF EGGSAL CURATOR FOR ALL KINDS OF FACILITIES AND WHAT UTMSI RECOMMENDED, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO COST ABOUT $250,000 TO DO WHAT WE SUBMIT COMMITTED TO DO. AND SALLY HAD COMMITTED TO ME.

SHE SAID I CAN DO THIS FOR AN EXTRA $20 K AND GET YOU ALMOST EXACT MUSEUM QUALITY BY GIVING YOU THE DURABILITY FOR THAT KIND OF SPACE BECAUSE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS. I SAID THAT IS A NO BRAINER.

BUT I NEVER KNEW THESE WERE THE COMMISSIONERS COS.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING SOURCE WAS.

THAT IS MY FAULT, I GUESS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST SEND US WHAT SHE IS DOING. I AM THRILLED WITH UTMSI AND THRILLED WITH SALLY PALMER OPINION I WANT SOMEONE TO SEND IT TO THE COURT WHAT SHE IS DOING SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT.

>> OKAY. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE GOT PLANNED.

SALLY IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON A POWER POINT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BRING IN JANUARY FOR THE NEW COUNTY JUDGE AND THE COURT TO PRESENT WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES TO COMPLY

WITH OFFICIAL AND WILDLIFE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I ASK IF SHE ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS SHE IS GOING TO DO AND WORK IS BEING DONE -- THEY ARE PUTTING STUFF -- JUST SEND THAT TO THE COURT NOW SO EVERYBODY GETS TO SEE IT. AND THEN PRESENT -- IF WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ON JANUARY, GREAT, WE WILL DO IT THEN.

I WANT TO KNOW IT IS GOING ON NOW.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL HAVE TIME ON MY HANDS SO I WILL DIG UP THE TIMES ON VIDEO WHEN WE DID MENTION MISS PALMER AND THE MEETING AT UTMSI THAT EVERYBODY IS FORGETTING ABOUT.

WE HAD PLENTY OF CONVERSATIONS, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD AND WE WILL GET YOU -- PLEASE GET TO COMMISSIONER CHESNEY EVERYTHING YOU CAN REGARDING THE SIGNAGE AND THE CURE RATED TEXT THAT WILL HELP ILLUSTRATE THE FISH, THE ECOSYSTEM, THE GULF OF MEXICO, FOR THAT OBSERVATION DECK. THAT IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE OVE OVERALL REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE WONDERFUL. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT -- I THINK THE PARK BOARD HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH MISS PALMER AND NOT JUST MISS PALMER, BUT I THINK 15 DIFFERENT AGENCIES THERE AND I KNOW YOU WERE INVITED TOO.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ACTUALLY I WAS NOT INVITED AND THAT MEETING WENT ON AND WAS NOT INVITED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THERE ARE OTHER MEETINGS AS WELL.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE ONE THE BIG UTMSI WAS AFTERWARDS.

IT MAKES SENSE IF THAT WAS DONE. >>JUDGE CANALES: SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNEW ABOUT IT. YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

BUT YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HEARD ABOUT IT AFTER -- IF YOU LISTEN -- I HEARD ABOUT -- CALLED AND SAID WHY WEREN'T YOU AT THE MEETING.

I SAID IMAGINE THAT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED SINCE YOU

BRING THAT MEETING UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK IT IS YOUR PRECINCT, YOU SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW

ABOUT IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM

VERY CLEAR. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE BOTTOM LINE, THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY

PRAISE FOR THE PROJECT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU WEREN'T LISTENING BECAUSE I SAID HOW GREAT SALLY PALMER AND UTMSI

AND. >>JUDGE CANALES: COULD THERE BE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 2.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SURE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE WILL HOLD ON 21 AND 22. >> JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHO IS THIS? >> EXCUSE ME, THIS IS TERESA.

I WANTED TO MAKE THE COMMENT. THE FUNDS FOR THE SALLY PALMER PURCHASE CAME FROM THE EXCESS FUNDS IN THE HORACE CALDWELL ACCESSIBLE RAMP BECAUSE AVAILABLE SURPLUS AND THAT'S

WHERE THE FUNDS CAME FROM. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND THE RAMP --

>> THEY DID NOT COME FROM COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S FUNDS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, THANK YOU.

PROVIDE US IN AN E-MAIL TO COMMISSIONER CHESNEY SO HE HAS

THAT BREAKDOWN. >> I WILL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALSO COPY LISA. >> I WILL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. ITEMS 21 AND 22.

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DEAL WITH TWO LAW FIRMS AND 18. THREE LAW FIRMS. WE WILL DISCUSS THOSE IN LEG EXECUTIVE SESSION AND COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND MAKE NUMBER -- LETTER C MORE COMPLETE

FOR THE COUNTY CLERK. >> CAN WE GO BACK TO 9 AND 10.

INVOICES AND LETTERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT IMPROVING THE INVOICES ARE IN YOUR PACKET SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE YOUR

QUESTIONS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH

ONE, DALE? >>JUDGE CANALES: GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ IN 9 AND 10.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT, DALE?

>> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION. .EIGHT LETTER FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS. IT WAS PART OF THE PROJECT AND APPROVED FOR SPECIAL MOTIONS. SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE

QUESTIONS ARE ON THESE INVOICES? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ON THE BILLS. THERE IS TIME IN HERE -- SORRY, I INTERRUPTED YOU. YOUR ITEM, I AM SORRY.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: BUT THAT IS MY QUESTION.

I MEAN, THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS

MANAGEMENT PEOPLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM GOING TO ASK THAT ANY TER ROGGE TORY, DEFAMATORY COMMENTS, THAT HE AT

LEAST BE WARNED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO WARNING. HE CAN SAY THERE ARE PROBLEMS

BECAUSE THERE ARE PROBLEMS. >>JUDGE CANALES: COUNTY ATTORNEY -- I WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THIS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IMPLICATIONS OF LIABILITY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE HERD.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHAT IS THE QUESTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY PUBLIC WORKS.

WOULD YOU LIKE CALL JUAN TO DISCUSS THIS -- SO WE CAN MOVE

ON WITH THE AGENDA. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU

WANT TO PULL THESE ITEMS, GREAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ASKING WHAT THE

QUESTIONS ARE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM

TRYING TO ASK THEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT ARE THEY.

WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS TO DALE? PLEASE PROCEED.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY QUESTION ON THE BILLINGS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ'S ARE.

I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE TIME BILLING THAT I THINK ARE A

LITTLE STEEP AND A LITTLE HIGH. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS NOT A QUESTION. THAT IS AN OPINION.

THESE HAVE BE APPROVED BY PUBLIC WORKS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T CARE WHO THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED

FROM. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IS YOUR

QUESTION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW PEOPLE JUSTIFY SOME OF THIS TIME ON HERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS CALLED WORK.

YOU SHOULD TRY IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THERE YOU GO. YOUR FAVORITE COMPANY AND YOU

DON'T WANT TO QUESTION THEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER AGAIN WITH YOUR DEFAMATORY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU ALWAYS COVER UP WITH EVERYBODY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: OUT OF ORDER YOURSELF.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: LET PEOPLE TALK, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE CAN TALK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL CALL ON YOU.

YOU HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED. YOU ARE NOT RECOGNIZED SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE TO PULL THE BILLS BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE HOURS AND BILLS ON HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO PULL THESE BILLS AND GO THROUGH THEM.

WHOEVER OFF-LINE. ONLINE.

I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT ON THIS BILL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JENNY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS BILL UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: I NEED TO KNOW ON THE PROMPT PAY POLICY. WE HAVE A LAW IN TEXAS THAT WHEN THE -- WHEN THE INVOICES ARE SUBMITTED, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD

HAS THE ABILITY TO -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR. PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TAKE THIS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A MOTION TO TABLE AND A SECOND.

I HAD THE FLOOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: I I HAD THE

MOTION TO TAKE IT TO EXECUTIVE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAD THE FLOOR. I WAS SPEAKING.

MADE A MOTION TO TABLE 9 AND 10. THE CORRECT PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. POINT OF ORDER.

I CALL THE QUESTION ON THE VOTE. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

I WILL CHALLENGE YOUR RULING AND WE WILL GO FORWARD.

I MOTION TO TABLE AND IT WAS SECONDED.

A LOT OF TIME ON HERE I WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND -- I AM --

SO THAT IS MY MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: J.P. RAHM WILL BE HERE LATER IN THE DAY SO YOU CAN VISIT WITH HIM.

I AM MAKING A COMMENT FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I NEED TO ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY A QUESTION.

NUMBER ONE, YOU NEED TO HAVE -- I NEED TO HAVE YOU COMMENT OR REACT TO THE SITUATION THAT THIS COULD VIOLATE THE LAW.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT IS -- I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS.

BUT IF IT IS A PROMPT PAYMENT POLICY SITUATION, A MOTION CANNOT TRUMP WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

THE PROCESS HAS ALREADY GONE FORWARD.

THE AUDITOR NEEDS TO BE INDEPENDENT AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOME LEGAL, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

IT CAN EFFECT ANY OF THE MOTIONS ON THE SPECIAL MOTIONS LIST -- ANY OF THE PAYMENTS ON THE SPECIAL MOTIONS LIST.

>> I DO NOT HAVE THE FACTS TO EVALUATE WHETHER THE PROMPT PAYMENT ACT -- NOT POLICY, BUT ACT HAS BEEN TRIGGERED BY ANY OF

THIS. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT, THE ACT.

YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE POLICY YET.

UNDERSTOOD. IS THERE SOMETHING --

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>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: A QUESTION ON THE PROMPT PAYMENT ACT THAT SOMEBODY IS QUESTIONING -- NOT THE PROMPT PAYMENT, BUT THE BILLING, DON'T WE HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO REACT

TO IT OR TALK ABOUT IT? >> THE PROCEDURES IS OUTLINED IN THE PROMPT PAYMENT ACT. IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE BILL, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO OBJECT TO --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THAT IS WHAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IS REQUESTING THAT AND I AM REQUESTING THAT AS WELL EVEN THOUGH CONSIDERED AN OPINION. THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NOT BASED ON ANY FACTS.

THAT IS WHY IT IS DIFFERENT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THAT'S WHY WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DALE, I WILL HAVE YOU -- WE WILL HAVE PLENTY HE TIME TODAY, SO MAYBE YOU CAN WORK ON THAT.

>> IT WILL HAVE TO COME FROM JUAN.

WE RECEIVE THE INVOICES FROM THE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE TO COME FROM

PUBLIC WORKS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: JENNY, I LIKE TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION. WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I THINK WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JENNY, I APPRECIATE YOUR ROLE.

WAY IT WORKS. I KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING. I WILL BE ABLE TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER THIS LAST TIME.

THEY ARE INTENT ON, YOU KNOW, MAKING TODAY INSUFFERABLE.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE IS THAT WE HAVE NOT ONLY A

LEGAL QUESTION -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO WE

DON'T. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUT THE TABLE -- IF IT IS NOT LEGAL, THAT IS MY QUESTION.

OKAY. SO THAT IS WHY I WANT TO TAKE IT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT

IF THEY TABLE SOMETHING -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TAKE A

VOTE ON THE MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I NEED FOR YOU

TO LOOK AT THE PROMPT PAYMENT -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGAIN I AM RISING IN OBJECTION. I AM CALLING FOR A MOTION OF ABUSE OF THE CHAIR WHICH IS ALSO ALLOWED OF ROBERTS RULES OF

ORDER. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM CALLING THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOUR RUDENESS IS NOT APPRECIATED.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU HAVE NEVER FOLLOWED THE RULES OF ROBERT RULES. OTHERWISE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, WE HAVE A TABLE.

WE HAVE A TABLE. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF CHATTER HERE. ROBERTS RULES REQUIRES YOU TO BE

RECOGNIZED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS RECOGNIZED, JUDGE. I HAD THE FLOOR WHEN I MADE THE MOTION. I WAS TALKING AND HAD THE FLOOR WHEN I MADE THE MOTION. I KNOW IT IS HARD FOR TO YOU

REMEMBER. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM ASKING YOU TO PLEASE LISTEN. I AM CALLING THE QUESTION.

BUT I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT UNTIL THERE IS ORDER HERE.

AND YOU NEED TO CALM DOWN. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

WE WILL RECOGNIZE YOU IN JUST A MOMENT.

KARA, THE TABLE IS FOR ONLY ITEMS -- THEY DIDN'T --

>> ITEM 9 AND 10 AND TABLE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. NO -- WELL, BOTH OF THEM

SECONDED THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: NEVER SET A

DATE, KARA. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO THE

NEXT MEETING. >>JUDGE CANALES: NEEDS TO BE COMPLETE. JANUARY 4.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SURE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM CONCERNED THAT VIOLATES THE PROMPT PAYMENT ACT.

IF THAT MOTION IS ILLEGAL, IT IS NOT PROPER, AND THE CHAIR DOESN'T HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND KEEP IT FOR NOW AND WE WILL TALK TO JENNY ABOUT IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL I CAN -- I HAVE THE RIGHT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CONCERN IT WOULDN'T VIOLATE, JUDGE.

IF WE HAVE A CONCERN TO QUESTION SOMETHING, HOW CAN IT VIOLATE

ANYTHING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BECAUSE

SHE MAKES STUFF UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S MOVE ON, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- IF YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AYE. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO.

IMPROPER MOTION THAT THE PROCESS HAS ALREADY TAKEN.

E, PERSONAL ACTION SUMMARY REPORT.

COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I HAVE QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE I NEED TO CLARIFY.

IF HR. >>JUDGE CANALES: CALL TH THEM, AIDEE. J, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THE DAR

PURCHASE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I NEED

CLARIFICATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: DAI RENEWAL.

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST BRIEFLY TELL ME WHAT WE ARE DOING ONCE AGAIN.

I READ THIS, BUT IS THIS JUST. >> YES, IT WAS TABLED LAST WEEK PER ALLOWING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO REVIEW IT.

AND EVERYTHING IS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:

EVERYTHING IS FINE AND GOOD. >> YOUR AGREEMENT THAT WAS DONE

A YEAR AGO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS IS

IN THE BUDGET? >> YES, SIR.

WE DID THE AGREEMENT ONE YEAR AGO AND LOCKED IN THE COST FOR THE THREE YEARS IT WAS FOR. AND THIS IS JUST THE RENEWAL.

AND THE QUOTE -- FOLLOWS A QUOTE THAT HAS TODAY'S DATE ON IT, BUT ACTUALLY ALLOWED THE ENTIRE MONTH OF DECEMBER FOR RENEWAL SO

EVERYTHING IS GOOD ON IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION

TO PASS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DARYL, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND STAY UP THERE, BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE IS -- ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY.

THAT IS J. NOW K.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAME. THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED.

JENNY, EVERYTHING IS OKAY? >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: EVERYTHING IS LEGAL?

>> A HUGE EFFORT. IT TOOK KENT AND OTHERS IN OUR OFFICE A LONG TIME GOING BACK AND FORTH AND IT IS LEGALLY SUFFICIENT DOCUMENT THAT WE BRING TO YOU TODAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT UNFAVORABLE TO THE COUNTY, ETC.,

ETC.? >> CORRECT, IN FACT WE WORKED WITH THEM AND DID GET THINGS MORE FAVORABLE TO THE COUNTY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IS THAT A MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO PASS.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

L IS THE CENTRAL SQUARE COMPANY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAMEPRO

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK YOU, GOOD TO GO, JENNY?

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: AN HR QUESTION ON ITEM E FROM COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I HAVE A QUESTION ON.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME COME BACK TO IT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AS I LOOK AT THE -- AT THE PERSONNEL.

AND WHEN THERE IS AN APPOINTMENT, THE SENIOR CLERK, 8 TO 15. A BIG STEP.

ARE THOSE MONIES COMING IN FROM THEIR DEPARTMENT? ARE THEY PAYING FOR THAT? THAT IS REALLY A PROMOTION.

>> I BELIEVE YOU ARE LOOKING AT --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR.

>> OKAY. THERE WAS A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE HIRED AS A FULL-TIME. BECAUSE IT WAS A TEMPORARY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY HAD FUNDS IN THEIR DEPARTMENT?

>> YES. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALSO ON INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, NUMBER 23-28.

SO THAT IS ALSO MONIES COMING IN FROM THEIR FUNDS?

>> JESS. A PROMOTION FROM A DEPARTMENT IN A 28 AND A POSITION THAT WAS A 3

32. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PROMOTION FROM A 16 TO 22 WHICH IS SIX STEPS. AND THIS IS ALSO MONEY COMING

FROM THEIR DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? >> YES, SIR, THOSE ARE ALL BUDGETED POSITIONS. IT IS JUST A PROMOTION FROM ONE POSITION TO -- TO IT THE POSITION THAT IS A PAY STEP 22.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALSO ON THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, ON THE PROMOTION FOR SILVA. GO FROM A 13.01 TO A 20.01.

THAT IS SEVEN STEPS. AND THOSE MONIES ARE THERE.

>> THAT WAS ON. >> THIS IS ARPA FUNDS I GUESS.

>> I AM SORRY, WHICH DEPARTMENT WAS IT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: M.E. MEDICAL EXAMINER.

ABOUT THIRD ONE, ONE, TWO, THREE FROM THE TOP.

>> FOR -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SAY ARPA FUNDS. HAVE WE DONE THAT WITH ARPA FUNDS ALREADY? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

>> I AM SORRY, I AM NOT SEEING WHICH ONE WHAT PAGE.

>> JOSLYN SILVA FOR 3.01 TO A 20.01.

IS THAT A PROMOTION WITHIN THEIR MONIES OR THE ARPA FUNDS THEY ARE GOING TO GET. IF IT IS ARPA FUNDS, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE DOING IT NOW THE ARPA FUNDS FOR THAT.

>> YES, ARPA FUNDS USED FOR TWO POSITIONS THERE AT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE FOR MEDICAL EXAMINER INVESTIGATORS.

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>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE SAME INVESTIGATORS WE APPROVED.

I KNOW WE APPROVED TWO OF THEM, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS COMING FROM

SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUDGET. >> I CAN GO BACK TO DOUBLE CHECK IT, BUT I AM SURE THEY WERE THROUGH ARPA FUND.

I WILL GO BACK. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CHECK IT OUT. THE NEXT ONE ON SOLIS.

I DON'T KNOW -- MAYBE IF IT IS A TYPO OR NOT 20.01 TO A 20.01.

HOW CAN THAT BE A PROMOTION FROM A 20.01 TO THE 20.01.

THE MONIES ARE DIFFERENT. >> I WILL CHECK -- THE STEPS ARE

THE SAME. >> I WILL CHECK ON THAT ONE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS PROBABLY A TYPO.

BUT I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU ON BOTH OF THOSE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL HAVE YOU GO CHECK AND COME BACK AND WE WILL COME BACK LATER AND WE WILL APPROVE ITEM E IN JUST A MOMENT YOU WILL CHECK ON THE TYPO AND ARPA FUNDS, AIDEE, THERE WERE GIVEN FOR THE INVESTIGATORS AND THEY WERE APPROVED AT THE TIME.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I REMEMBER APPROVING THAT.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS CORRECT IN HERE, RIGHT.

THE OTHER ONE A JAILER. FROM A 17.01 TO A 0.215.

SO IT IS COMING DOWN? >> NO, THE 0215, THAT IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PAY SCHEDULE. IT IS A PROMOTION GOING FROM A JAILER -- THEY RECEIVED THEIR -- THEY ARE GOING FROM A CADET CORRECTIONS OFFICER AND THEY RECEIVED THEIR JAILERS LICENSE SO AUTOMATICALLY PROMOTED TO CORRECTIONS OFFICERS 1.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: BUT A COUPLE MORE.

ONE THE CONSTABLE 1. DEPUTY CONSTABLE 2, FROM AN 02

TO A 22, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

HE WENT FROM A DEPUTY CONSTABLE 1 AND THROUGH YEARS OF SERVICE, HE IS NOW PROMOTED TO A DEPUTY CONSTABLE 2.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MONEY THEY HAVE IN THERE?

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: LAST ONE MEDICAL EXAMINER HAYDEN, SAYS FROM 770 1 TO 20.01.

13 STEPS. >> THAT IS GOING FROM A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE TO REGULAR PART-TIME -- REGULAR PART-TIME

MEDICAL EXAMINER INVESTIGATOR. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AND

THIS MONEY IS ALSO THERE? >> YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY THAT. THAT IT IS NOT REALLY COMING

FROM THE GENERAL ACCOUNT. >> I WILL COME BACK ON THE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: APPRECIATE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WOULD YOU SEND DO YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER

GONZALEZ'S CONTACT ON E-MAIL. >> YES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN WORK TOGETHER BEFORE SO YOU CAN ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AND HE CAN BE A ASSURED THAT ALL THOSE PERSONNEL ARE TO HIS SATISFACTION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IN THAT CASE THAT IS A HOLD.

CAROL REMINDS ME ON L. SHE DOES NOT NUMBER, BUT LETTER L. SHE SAID WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND -- I AM NOT SURE WHO THE SECOND WAS, KARA, BUT A MOTION

TO APPROVE L. >> GONZALEZ.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GONZALEZ WAS ITS SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN

[2. Discuss and consider approval of interlocal agreement between City of Corpus Christi, County of Nueces, and City of Bishop related to consolidated emergency dispatch center services (MetroCom).]

FAVOR, SAY AYE. WE ARE GOING TO ADVANCE ITEM 3-2, 3-A-2. INTERLOCAL BETWEEN THE CITY OF NUECES, CORPUS CHRISTI, AND CITY OF BISHOP RELATING TO THE EMERGENCY DISPATCH CENTER SERVICE WE KNOW AS METROCOM.

WITH US TODAY IS PETER COLLINS, WHO HAS BEEN ASSIST THE OPERATING COMMITTEE. HE IS CHAIR OF THE OPERATING COMMITTEE. AND WE WILL ASK YOU TO TAKE THE PODIUM. AND TELL US ABOUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT YOU HAVE WORKED WITH JENNY DORSEY, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. AND THIS IS READY TO BE APPROVED

TODAY. >> THIS IS READY EXCEPT FOR ONE SMALL THING WE NEED TO ADD. SO IF THE COURT WILL CONSIDER JUST PASSING IT SUBJECT TO. AND IT IS VERY, VERY SMALL.

WE NEED TO ASK WHERE TO WHOM THE REMITTANCE ACTUALLY GOES.

A SMALL LITTLE PORTION THAT WAS NEGLECTED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL MAKE THAT SUBJECT IN JUST A MOMENT.

PETER, TELL US BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS GOOD AGREEMENT SO WE CAN PUT EVERYBODY TOGETHER ON THIS SYSTEM.

>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS.

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PETER COLLINS. THIS IS ACTUALLY -- THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS.

WHEN I FIRST CAME AND I MET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK IT WAS YOU, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ ASKED ABOUT THE SMALLER CITIES AS FAR AS BEING -- HAVING DISPATCH SERVICES BEING PROVIDED BY METROCOM.

METROCOM, THE OWNERS OF THE CITY AND COUNTY.

A STRONG PARTNERSHIP. WE WORK VERY WELL TOGETHER.

THE JUDGE ON THE FIRST MEETING WITH THE BOARD, WHICH ACTUALLY CONSISTS OF THE JUDGE. AND AT THAT TIME, I FORGOT THE MAYOR'S NAME. THAT IS BAD, JOE.

DURING THAT MEETING, WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED THE REQUEST TO REVIEW THE INTERLOCAL THAT HAVEN'T BEEN CHANGED IN A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE WENT AHEAD AND FORMED A STRONG MEETING BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND MET AND REVISED THE INTERLOCAL. OUT OF THAT INTERLOCAL, WE CREATED WHAT WAS CALLED THE METROCOM OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.

BUT IT WAS THE PEOPLE APPOINTED TO IT OPERATIONAL STAFF MEMBERS AND BUDGET OFFICE AND SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEP DEPARTMENT, THEIR MISSION WAS TO DEAL WITH A NUMBER OF OPERATIONAL ISSUES WITH METROCOM AND THIS WAS ONE OF THEM AND GOT COMPLEX. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST FOR A CITY OF THE SIZE OF BISHOP AND DRISCOLL, WHAT HAPPENS IS, HOW DO YOU MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.

AND HOW DO YOU PUT SOME KIND OF SCIENCE BEHIND IT SO YOU ARE NOT JUST REACHING OUT OF THE SKY AND SAY HERE IS YOUR MAGIC NUMBER.

SO WE CAN BRING CONSISTENCY FOR EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO JOIN OR HAVE METROCOM PROVIDE DISPATCH AND SERVICES WHICH IS LOGICAL IN THIS AREA TO DO THAT. THAT IS A PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE. SO WORKING WITH CLOSELY WITH CHIEF WHITE. A BIG WHITEBOARD TO COME UP WITH DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS AND WE CAME UP WITH ONE.

WE LOOKED AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS OF SERVICE PER YEAR.

THEN WHAT WE DID TAKE THE TOTAL BUDGET, DIVIDE IT AND HOW MUCH IT IS PER CALL. DRISCOLL, BISHOP, HAVE A LOT LESS CALL THAN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

AND WE APPLIED THAT FORMULA TO THEIR PROJECTED CALL VOLUME AND THAT IS WHERE THE NUMBER CAME UP FROM.

THIS TOOK A LOT OF WORK OVER THE YEARS BISHOP IN THE FIRST.

NEXT ONE IS DRISCOLL. ALL IN THE WORKS.

TO ME THIS HAS BEEN VERY EXCITING AND I THANK THE SUPPORT OF THE JUDGE, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND THE NEW CITY MAYOR.

NEEDED TO CARRY ON MAYOR PAULETTE.

CHIEF WHITE IS HERE. AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AT THIS

TIME. >> JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

WE STARTED WORKING WITH BISHOP IN THE SUMMERTIME WHEN HE REQUESTED TO COME ON BOARD WITH METROCOM.

WE ALREADY HAD DRISCOLL ON BOARD.

DISPATCH FOR ALL OF THE NUECES COUNTY, THE ASDS.

NUECES COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF WANTED TO COME ON BOARD. THE FORMULA AND WHAT WE DEVELOPED WITH THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.

WE STARTED WORKING TOGETHER AND WHAT WE PRESENT AND WITH AS AGREED UPON BY ALL OF US IN THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE BRING IT FORWARD TODAY.

COME FORWARD THIS WEEK AND START DISPATCHING FOR THEM AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I THINK WE ARE SLOW TO GET IN.

EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY THROUGH OUR METROCOM SYSTEM.

THE ONLY ONE AFTER THIS WILL BE ROBSTOWN.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE BUT WE ARE EXCITED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS GREAT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK

YOU WORK FOR THE DISTRICT. >> CHIEF DAY IF YOU DON'T KNOW HIM IS A GREAT GUY AND LOOKING FORWARD TO COME ON BOARD.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME GET A MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO MOVED.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AND JUST A QUICK COMMENT --

>> CONTINGENT UPON. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RIGHT,

CONTINGENT -- >>JUDGE CANALES: ADDITION HAS TO DO ON WHERE AND WHO TO SEND THE REMITTANCE TOO.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, DO WE HAVE THOSE ANSWERS? WE CAN GET THAT ON THE RECORD RIGHT NOW.

>> JUST LIKE IN DISCOL, SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND THE METROCOM BUDGET AS A REVENUE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SHE WILL RIGHT THAT DOWN.

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>> GOES INTO OUR BUDGETING FOR METROCOM WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHARED BUDGET WITH THE COUNTY TO MANAGE

THOSE MONIES. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT.

OKAY. AND -- WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE

THAT AMENDMENT, KARA. >> WHERE AND WHO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HE AGREES WITH THAT AMENDMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: BISHOP WOULD DO THE SAME WAY.

>> BISHOP WILL BE THE SAME THING.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MOVE WITH THE AMENDMENTS.

>> THE DOCUMENT PROVIDED DOESN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

WE WILL BE IS UP PLACING THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S RIGHT.

APPROVED IF SUBJECT TO THE FILLING OF THE BLANKS ON WHERE AND WHO. THE COMMENTS IS THAT METROCOM FLY UNDER THE RADAR IN MANY WAYS.

AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, DAY TO DAY BECAUSE IT HANDLED IN A DIFFERENT BUILDING. IT'S GOT ITS OWN OPERATION AND WHAT THEY DO THERE IS -- FIRST RESPONSE TO THE NTH DEGREE.

THEY ARE THE LIFELINE FOR EVERYBODY IN THE 911 EMERGENCY SITUATION. AND WE HAVE TAKEN METROCOM.

AND WE HAVE REALLY ADVANCED THE BALL.

WE HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE THE TWO OF YOU REALLY WANT TO COMMENT ON PAT ELDRIDGE AND HER AMAZING, YOU KNOW, WORK ETHIC AND THE ENTIRE STAFF BUT HOPE YOU WILL KEEP COMING BACK AND WE MODERNIZED THE CAD SYSTEMS AND SALARIES AND NO YOU IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, SO MUCH WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU GUYS GIVE THE COURT ANOTHER UPDATE AND I WILL CERTAINLY BE WATCHING BUT GETTING EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY INTEGRATED IS A WAY TO KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE.

IT REALLY IS. TO $IS A GOOD DAY.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: EXCUSE ME KARA, I WASN'T HERE TO CAST MY VOTE. YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THE

AMENDMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. I AM SURE WHEN MAREZ COMES BACK, HE WILL GIVE YOU HIS VOTE. GUYS, I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET BACK. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND I AM GOING TO ASK -- YOU KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO DO? LET'S JUST TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK, OKAY.

THAT WAY I CAN GET COMMISSIONER MAREZ BACK IN THE ROOM AND RIGHT BACK INTO THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI'S PRESENTATION. THE ANNUAL REPORT.

ITEM3-A-1. THAT WILL GIVE TIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOAD A PRESENTATION ON CONNIE'S -- YOU HAVE A THUMB DRIVE. TAKE A QUICK BATHROOM BREAK AND WE WILL COME BACK. I AM GOING TO SIGN THESE AND GET ALL COMMISSIONERS HERE AND PRESENTJUDGE BACK ON THE RECORD GAVEL US BACK IN. YOU KNOW, KARA, IT WAS $10 BY MY ESTIMATE ON THE DOT AND NOW IT IS 10:20.

WE CALL THAT DELTA TIME. THE FIVE-MINUTE BREAK, 10 TO

[1. Receive annual report from the Port of Corpus Christi Authority of Nueces County pursuant to section 62.117 of the Texas Water Code.]

10:20. WE WILL COME INTO A VERY IMPORTANT PRESENTATION BECAUSE AN ANNUAL REPORT WE DO EVERY YEAR WITH THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT YOU WILL SEE ON YOUR SCREEN.

BUT FIRST, LET ME WELCOME WITH GRATITUDE FOR AN AMAZING PUBLIC SERVICE CAREER HIMSELF. WE HAVE OPINION HONORING PEOPLE FOR PUBLIC SERVICE ALL MORNING AND PLEASE WELCOME DR. CHARLIE

ZAHN. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE, BY THE WAY, WE CALL THAT BEING ON ISLAND TIME.

>> ISLAND TIME. THERE YOU GO.

>> I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY WOULD TELL THAT YOU.

ON BEHALF OF THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND THREE APPOINTEES BY NUECES COUNTY, WE APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TELL YOU ABOUT THE UNBELIEVABLE YEAR THAT THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI HAD THIS PAST YEAR.

WE -- I HAD SOMEBODY ASK ME IF WE HAVE ANY NEWS STORIES WITH THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IT SEEMS LIKE WEEKLY BREAKING A MONTHLY RECORD, QUARTERLY RECORD AND ANNUAL RECORD AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR FIVE YEARS IN A ROW.

SO IT IS BECAUSE THAT YOU APPOINT PEOPLE LIKE THE ONES THAT I WORK WITH AND THAT -- THAT LET'S US DO THE JOB WE ARE DOING AND BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SNEAK SHAWN INTO TEXAS. AND HARD TO GET HIM A TO BE A TEXAN BUT HE IS GET THERE. PUT TOGETHER WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER THE BEST STAFF THAT ANYBODY COULD HAVE IN ANY CITY

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IN THE COUNTRY AND THAT'S YOU HAVE THE NUMBER ONEPORT.

I WILL DO IT IN THREE PHASES. I WILL TALK OF NUMBERS.

I WILL HAVE COMMISSIONERG YOU CANLLEY TALK OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH AND VICE-CHAIRMAN HILLIARD TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT HERE IN NUECES COUNTY.

THESE ARE THREE DIFFERENT IMPORTANT KEYS IN THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI. I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH NUMBERS WITH YOU. WE HAD 15.7 MILLION TONS OF L&G THAT MAKES US THE SECOND LARGEST L&G GATEWAY.

WHEN THEY FINISH THEIR TRAIN THEY ARE WORKING ON WE WILL MOVE TO NUMBER ONE. 163 MILLION TONS A 4.7 INCREASE OVER OUR PRIOR RECORD YEAR AND STAFF HAS INFORMED ME, IF EVERYTHING HOLDS THE WAY IT IS, WE WILL GO OVER 185 MILLION TONS IN 2022 WHICH, AGAIN, IS A NEW RECORD FOR US WHEN I CAME OFTEN THE PORT COMMISSION 11 YEARS AGO APPOINTED BY THIS VERY BODY, 4800 PEOPLE WHO WORK DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY.

OVER THE LAST 11 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN NUECES AND SAN PATRICIO COUNTY, WE NOW HAVE YOU 98,000 PEOPLE ARE PORT-RELATED JOBS IN THE COASTAL BEND.

OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT IS SUBSTANTIAL.

WE DO $400 BILLION IN THE UNITED STATES.

$400 MILLION PER DAY IN GOODS VALUE MOVEMENT.

$40 BILLION A DAY FOR TEXAS -- I MEAN PER YEAR.

$6 BILLION PER YEAR FOR CORPUS CHRISTI.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, I CAN LOOK AT YOU AND TELL YOU THAT WE MOVED 10,521 PIECES OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT OVER 11 VESSELS.

MAKES US THE NUMBER ONE STRATEGIC MILITARY PORT NOW IN THE COUNTRY. I WOULD TELL THAT YOU WE WERE NOWHERE NEAR THAT WHEN HURRICANE HARVEY HIT.

OUR DEAR COLLEAGUES IN BUMONT WERE AFFECTED BY HURRICANE HARVEY AND BROUGHT THE REQUEST FROM THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI TO HELP WITH THE MOVEMENT AND OUR STAFF DID SUCH AN OUTSTANDING JOB THAT WE NOW HANDLE MOST OF THE MILITARY CARGO SHIPPED THROUGH THE WATERWAYS AND THE NUMBER ONE STRATEGIC MILITARY PORT. 15-TIME INCREASE OF CRUDE EXPORTS SINCE THE OIL EXPORT BAN WAS LIFTED IN 2015 MOVED FOR A NEW RECORD 167.3 MILLION. WE ARE PROJECTED TO DO ALMOST 185 MILLION IN YEAR. 48.3 MILLION TONS IN Q 3 OF THIS YEAR. AND WE ARE NOW MOVING 272 MILLION BARRELS OF CRUDE OIL PER DAY IN OCTOBER AS A RESULT OF THE SITUATION WITH -- WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN, YOU KNOW, THE UNITED STATES IS RESPONDED AND WE, BEING THE NUMBER ONE EXPORT PORT IN THE UNITED STATES HAS RESPONDED ALSO.

SO WE ARE NOW MOVING OVER TWO MILLION BARRELS OF OIL A DAY.

WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IN THE COASTAL WIND THAT CREATE TAX BASE FOR ENERGY LIKE YOURS AND CREATE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND GOOD EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

WE HAVE 65 BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF CAPITAL INVESTMENTS GOING ON IN THE COASTAL BEND AT THIS TIME.

AND 12 BILLION OF THAT IS FOREIGN FUNDS THAT ARE COMING INTO TEXAS AND THE COASTAL BEND. THE NEXT CHART JUST KIND OF TELLS YOU WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU A MINUTE AGO.

IF YOU GO BACK TO JANUARY 1, THE EXTREME LEFT OF THAT CHART THERE, YOU WILL SEE WHEN THE OIL EXPORT BAN WAS MISSED AND THE TOT WAS THE FIRST VESSEL TO LEAVE THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI FOR OIL DESTINED FOR OTHER THAN THE UNITED STATES.

IT WENT TO EUROPE. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022, WE HAVE GONE FROM ALMOST ZERO EXPORTS TO ALMOST TWO MILLION BARRELS OF OIL A DAY THAT WE ARE EXPORTING.

AS I SAID, OUR CONTINUAGE FOR OCTOBER SET A NEW RECORD AND ABOVE THE SAME PERIOD BY ALMOST 13%.

OUR YEAR-TO-DATE REVENUE IS 17% HIGHER THAN BUDGET AND 25% HIGHER THAN OUR SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR.

YEAR-TO-DATE, BUDGET UP 41% AND SAME PERIOD OF 2021 UP 22%.

OUR INBOUND RAILCAR MOVEMENTS ARE WELL BELOW LAST YEAR DUE TO

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FEWER GRAIN MOVEMENTS THROUGH ADM, WHILE OUTBOUNDS ARE SLIGHTLY ABOVE LAST YEAR. AND OUR CAPITAL SPENDING IS BELOW BUDGET AND ABOVE LAST YEAR.

HE HAD THE HONOR IN NOVEMBER OF REPRESENTING MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AS I GAVE THE STATE OF THE PORT.

I TOLD PEOPLE AS THEY PUT THAT PRESENTATION TOGETHER, IT WOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE WOULD COVER OUR 100-YEAR TO HISTORY. WE WERE 100 YEARS OLD IN NOVEMBER AND WE HAD THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS OUR BUSINESS OPERATIONS WERE CONCERNED THAT I JUST DESCRIBE TO YOU. BUT WE TOUCHED ON THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE FORM AS AN AGRICULTURAL PORT.

AND OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME, WE CHANGED THAT MODEL TO AN ENERGYPORT. WE ARE NOW THE ENERGY PORT OF THE AMERICAS. WE ARE ON PACE, AS I SAID EARLIER, TO BE -- TO HAVE ANOTHER RECORD YEAR THIS YEAR.

I WOULD LIKE TO AT THIS TIME ASK COMMISSIONER GULLEY IF HE WILL TALK ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR

QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: DR. GULLEY.

>> BRIAN GULLEY. EVERYBODY KNOWS ME.

I WAS HERE LAST WEEK, ACTUALLY. WHEN YOU HAVE AS CHARLIE MENTIONED 400 MILLION WORTH OF PRODUCT GOING OUT OF THE PORT EVERY DAY WITH ALL OUR CUSTOMERS, TAKES A LOT OF DOCKS.

TAKES A LOT OF PIPELINE. TAKES A LOT OF RAIL.

TAKE A LOT OF TRUCK. TAKE A LOT OF ROAD.

TAKES A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. WE ARE CONSTANTLY TAKING THE MONEY WE MAKE IN THE PORT AS PART OF OUR FEES AND TURNING IT BACK INTO REPAIRING THE PORT. I AM A LITTLE TALLER THAN CHARLIE. REPAIRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE. AND THESE DOCKS, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, DOCK GIANT SHIPS. SO WHEN YOU HAVE TO START REPAIRING THINGS LIKE THIS IN 50 FOOT OF WATER AND HAVE TO SUPPORT SHIPS AND BARGES AND TUGS AND THE LIKE, IT TAKES A LOT OF PUN. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.

WE CURRENTLY FROM 70 PROJECTS THAT WE ARE DOING.

I THINK 48 ARE CAPITAL. 22 ARE MAINTENANCE.

WHEN I TALK OF A MAINTENANCE PROJECT, REPAIRING AND REBUILDING A DOCK WHICH CAN BE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SOMETIMES. APPEAR BIG ONGOING GIANT INDUSTRIAL PROBLEM BUT SOMETHING WE -- WE TRY TO KEEP UP WITH.

OUR BIGGEST PROJECT -- AND ONE WE ARE PROBABLY MOST PROUD OF IS OUR CHANNEL WIDENING AND DEEPENING PROJECT THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IN THE PORT. AND THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE US FOR 30 YEARS NOW. FINALLY COME TO FRUITION THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THE FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE WHICH IS THE FOURTH PHASE. GOT APPROVED BY GOVERNMENT AND WE WILL BE PUT IT OUT FOR BIDS SHORTLY AND HAVE IT COMPLETED BY 2024. I HAVE GIVEN YOU A LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO THE PORTS HAVE DONE AND PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST YEAR BECAUSE TOO MANY OF THEM TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW AND I PROMISE JUDGE GONZALEZ THAT I WOULD KEEP THIS KIND OF SHORT. THE OTHER THING WE ARE REAL PROUD OF IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL. WE HAVE -- WE HAVE BEEN A GREEN PORT SINCE 2007 AND THE FIRST PORT TO ACHIEVE THAT DESIGNATION. ALL OF THE ELECTRICITY USED BY THE PORT IS RENEWABLE ENERGY AND HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR SEVERAL YEARS LONG BEFORE I GOT ON THE COMMISSION.

AND WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE. WE SPEND ALMOST 22% OF OUR WORKING CAPITAL ON ENVIRONMENTAL RELATED PROJECT.

A VISIT BY ERTHEA NANCE, THE DIRECTOR OF THE EPA.

THE EPA ARE NOT PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD IMPRESS VERY EASILY, BUT QUITE IMPRESSED WITH THE CLEANLINESS OF THE PORT AND THE CLEANEST WATER. THE CLEANEST WATER IN THE PORT SHE VISITED. WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB THERE. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CHARLIE FOR. YOU MAY NOT REALIZE THIS, THE WAY THE PORT WORKS, WE WORK ON THREE COMMITTEES.

THE SECURITY COMMITTEE THAT TAKES CARE OF THE SECURITY ARE THE OF THE PORT. THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND LONG-RANGE PLANNING COMMITTEE THAT DO THE LONG-RANGE PRODUCTS AND THE REAL ESTATE. YOUR APPOINTEES ARE QUITE WELL-POSITIONED. KATHERINE IS A MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE. I SERVE ON THAT WITH HER.

I CHAIR THE LONG-RANGE PLANNING COMMITTEE, WHICH -- WHICH IS ONE OF THE POWERFUL COMMITTEES THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND.

HE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT COMMITTEE.

AND ONLY THREE PEOPLE IN THE COMMITTEE.

WE ARE WELL-POSITIONED BECAUSE OF TO OUR TENURE AND THE CHAIRMAN WHO GETS TO SELECT THE PEOPLE HE THINKS ARE BEST SUITED

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FOR THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES AND IT GIVES US A VERY GOOD POSITION. I THINK YOU NEED TO BE PROUD OF THE FACT YOU ARE BETTER POSITION THAN OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY APPOINTEES. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALSO BECAUSE -- THROUGH THESE LAST TWO FOR THREE YEARS SING WE WORKED VERY HARD AND WELL, WE APPRECIATE THE FACT AS COMMISSIONERS YOU APPOINT US AND WE TAKE THE OATH AND GO TO WORK AND WE WORK VERY HARD YOU TURN US LOOSE TO DO THE WORK.

AND SOMETIMES WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE NOT REPORTING BACK TO YOU ENOUGH. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EACH OF YOU AANY TIME YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PORT WHATSOEVER. PICK UP THE PHONE.

CALL KATHERINE. CALL CHARLIE.

CALL MYSELF. WE LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THE PORT.

WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THE PORT THAN YOU PROBABLY WANT TO HEAR.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR US.

AND I TELL YOU, I PROMISE YOU WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKE YOU GUYS PROUD OF US. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HILLIARD.

>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, KATHERINE HILLIARD, VICE-CHAIR OF THE PORT. WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO SLIDE NUMBER 13. I GET TO LEAD WITH ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT WHICH IS OUR COMMUNITIES AND STRENGTH STRENGTHENING OUR COMMUNITIES.

THE PORT HAVE ALWAYS SINCE I HAVE BEEN THERE PRIORITIZE THE INVESTMENT OF ITS DOLLARS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO PROGRAMS, INITIATIVES AND ACTIVITY THAT IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE NOT ONLY FOR CORPUS BUT FOR OUR ENTIRE REGION.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE REALLY STRIVED TO DO IS EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY. EDUCATE EVEN OUR YOUTH.

WE NOW HAVE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEE IT IN THE NEWSPAPERS, THE PORT-ABLE LAB. GOING AROUND TO SCHOOLS AND NOT ONLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES OUR ADULTS AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS EDUCATED WHAT THE PORT DOES, BUT ALSO IMPORTANT TO START EDUCATING, YOU KNOW, OUR K KIDS. THE PORT IS THE ECONOMIC ENGINE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND WE NEED TO START EDUCATING THEM ABOUT THAT.

SO I AM VERY PROUD OF THAT FACT. AS YOU ALL MAY KNOW, WE HAVE TWO TIMES OF THE YEAR THAT WE CALL FOR SPONSORSHIP.

SOME ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO IS IN NEED, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEED SOME HELP WILL HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES ASK FOR SUPPORT FROM THE PORT.

AS OF DECEMBER 1, THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI INVESTED $4.3 MILLION RIGHT BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY WE TRY AS HARD AS WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THE REQUEST FOR MONEY FITS IN THE PORT'S IMPACT.

SO WE HAVE FIVE. RELATE TO COMMUNITY VITALITY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE, SUSTAINABILITY OR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, WE ARE LIKELY GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME MONEY. WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 512 REQUESTS IN 2022 AND APPROVED 406 AND ROUGHLY ABOUT 80%.

JUST YESTERDAY, WE PASS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF UP TO 5% OF TO OUR GROSS INCOME IN 2023 TO GO TO THE P&D FUND. NOT TO EXCEED 5.9 MILLION BUT CONTINUING IN 2023 TO INVEST SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT, WE WILL SPEND EVERY LAST DIME OF IT.

AS BRIAN MENTIONED I AM HEAD OF THE SAFETY COMMITTEE AND VERY PROUD OF IT. IN THE YEARS I HAVE CHAIRED IT, REALLY STRENGTHENED THE COMMITTEE.

REALLY A ROBUST CONVERSATION AND EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION.

NOT ONLY WITHIN THEPORT, BUT REALLY WITHIN THE REGION SO WITH REGARD TO SAFETY, I CAN TELL THAT YOU SECURITY -- WELL, SAFETY -- SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT TO THE PORT.

AND WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. WE ARE INVESTING SIGNIFICANT TIME AND RESOURCES IN PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CUSTOMERS, AND THEPORT. SUPER PROUD OF OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. DANIELLEHALE HAS DONE A SUPERB JOB ORGANIZE IT. TAKING THE LEAD OF ORGANIZING THE MASSIVE INTERAGENCY TRAINS. ON OCTOBER 12 WAS THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE. A FULL-SCALE EXERCISE.

AGENCIES FROM NUECES AND SAN PAT.

A TANKER TRUCK HAULING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS CRASHES.

AND ON KAY BAILEY HUTCHENTON MULTIPLE AGENCIES THAT TOOK PART

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IN THIS EXERCISE TOGETHER. AND THE LAST SECURITY MEETING CHIEF ROCHA JOINED US ALONG WITH TONY BETTIS WHO SPECIALIZES IN HAZMAT. THEY WERE SO HIGHLY COMPLIMENTARY OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM AND THE PORT'S ROLE OF THE JOINT EXERCISES AND TAKING COLLABORATION REALLY WITH ALL THESE AGENCIES TO THE NEXT LEVEL JUST VERY, VERY PROUD OF OUR TEAM AND THE EFFORTS IN THAT REGARD AND WE CHALLENGED DANIEL TO TAKE IT EVEN THE NEXT LEVEL IN 2023.

WE HAD THE CHIEF OF POLICE FROM ARANSAS PASS TO GIVE US ACCOLADES FOR THE PORT'S COMMITMENT TO SAFETY IN THE ENTIRE REGION. THE FIREBOAT.

A LONG TIME COMING BUT IT IS HERE.

THE MOST ADVANCED FASTEST FIREBOAT.

THOSE INTERESTED IN ENGINES, FOUR 1,000-HORSE POWER CATERPILLAR DIESEL ENGINES, FOUR FIRE FIGHTING PUMPS, TOP SPEED OF UP TO 40 KNOTS. WE INVITE ALL OF YOU TO COME HAVE LOOK. MAYBE TAKE A RIDE, A GAME-CHANGING ASSET FOR THE PORT AND THE REGION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. ANOTHER THING I AM SUPER PROUD OF AS HEAD OF SECURITY IS THE PORT SECURITY GRANT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN AWARDED. SO IN 2022 ALONE, WE WERE AWARD THE ALMOST $3 MILLION. SO THE HIGHEST AMONG ALL PORT AUTHORITIES RECEIVING AWARDS. PROJECT NUMBER ONE, SECURITY XHOND CENTER RENOVATIONS. WE ARE REPURPOSING OUR OLD ADMIN BUILDING AND GOING BECOME NOT ONLY THE PORT SECURITY COMMAND CENTER BUT WILL ALSO SERVE AS THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IN TIMES OF NEED. WE WERE AWARDED $1.2 MILLION FOR THAT. PROJECT 2, SOUTH SIDE MARINE CENTER. YOU HEARD ME TALK OF OUR NEW FIREBOAT. WE NEEDEDED A SUITABLE BERTH LOCATION AND SUPPORT LAND SIDE. WE WERE AWARDED 1 $1.3 MILLION TO CONSTRUCT AND BUILD OUT THOSE FACILITIES.

PROJECT 3 WAS A BULK MATERIALS WEST ACCESS ROAD LIGHTING AND CAMERAS. SO WE ARE GOING TO IMPROVE AND INSTALL SECURITY LIGHTING AND SURVEILLANCE CAMERA, FIBEROPTIC FOR SECURITY MONITORING OF THE WEST SIDE ENTRY EXIT FOR BULK TERMINAL. SO THIS IS REALLY A TESTAMENT TO OUR STAFF. THEY HAVE WORKED HARD TO DOLE A REPUTATION OF BEING GOOD STANDARDS OF THIS GRANT MONEY.

THEY AWARD IT AND ARE ABLE TO REALLY DEPLOY IT EFFICIENTLY AND THAT IS A BIG DEAL WHEN IT COMES TO APPLYING FOR FUTURE GRANTS.

SO I AM VERY, VERY PROUD OF THEM IN THAT REGARD.

AND STILL SO MUCH TO DO IN 2023 AND BEYOND.

SO ALSO WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. YOU HAVE BEEN GRACIOUS AND SUPPORTIVE IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT I SERVED ON THE COMMISSION AND REALLY LIKE BRIAN SAID GIVEN US THE AUTONOMY TO DO OUR WORK WITH NO PRESSURE AND NO STRINGS WHICH IS A REALLY BIG DEAL.

WE TOOK AN OATH TO THE PORT TO DO WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE PORT AND FOR THIS REGION. I AM APPRECIATIVE.

A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND EXCITING TIMES AHEAD.

THANK YOU. AND WE WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS

YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: PERFECT.

AND I WANT TO JUST REMARK ON WHAT A GREAT PRESENTATION THAT IS. HOPEFULLY -- WELL, WE ALL HAVE IT IN OUR -- IN OUR E-MAIL BOX SO WE CAN USE IT AS WE CAN SHARE THE GOOD NEWS WHAT A GREAT YEAR. I WANT TO SAY YIPPEE FOR THE 5%.

I REMEMBER THE DAYS I SAT ON AUDIT AND A STRETCH TO GET TO 2%. THE FIGHTS WE HAD TO GET TO 2%.

ROSY CAN TELL YOU, AND SHE IS HERE.

HOW MUCH COMMUNITY MATTERS. TO GET TO 5% WITH THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE-CHAIRMAN, I KNOW THAT IS YOUR LEADERSHIP.

I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. IT IS DESERVED FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE WE ARE DOING SO WELL.

THIS COMES A TIME, GOD FORBID IF EVER A TIME TO REVERSE, YOU WOULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO COME BACK.

RIGHT NOW IS OUR SEASON TO CELEBRATE.

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SO THE 5% WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY -- BY STATUTE UNDER THE WATER CODE HAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE GOAL IF THE REVENUES, YOU KNOW, SHOWCASE THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

AND IT DOES. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. SO I AM -- I THINK THE COMMUNITY WINS. SO I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS MESSAGE THAT. JUST ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE -- DO WE STILL HAVE THREE -- OKAY.

-- I WAS GOING TO SAY I AM RECOGNIZING ROSY COLIN WHO IS HERE WITH THE PORT. AND ALSO OUR CEO SHAWN STRAWBRIDGE WHO IS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PORT AND TIM TAKING PHOTOS MAKING SURE THIS GOOD MESSAGE.

AND I AM NOT GOING TO FORGET OMAR SITTING ON FRONT OF ME WITH THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI. CHIEF OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS THAT HE REALLY KEEPS UP WITH THAT ONE SLIDE WHERE ALL THOSE COMPANIES ARE LISTED ON IT. HE REALLY HAS A REAL RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.

BY WORKING AS TEAM, LOOK WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. IT'S -- AS THEY SAY, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE LOOK AT LOOK HOW YOU AFFECTED LIVES IN A MEANINGFUL WAY FROM COMMUNITY TO SAFETY.

WE LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU STOLE OUR BEST GAL, DANIELLE HALE.

AND EVERYTHING COMING DOWN THE ROAD.

I WILL ASK IF ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS IF ONE COMES UP.

COMMISSIONER MAREZ? >>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT. I -- YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL BUSY AS WE ALL ARE, AND TIME GETS AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU MAY NOT SIT DOWN AND WATCH TV. I AM ONE OF THEM AND DON'T EVER WATCH TV LATELY BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY EVERY TIME I LOOK UP I SEE THAT GREAT PORT COMMERCIAL.

ONE OF THE BEST -- IT'S -- IT'S A -- IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD, BUT IT GIVES YOU THE CONFIDENCE ESPECIALLY EMERGENCY SERVICES TALKING OF DANIELLE HALE AND HER TEAM.

THE PORT IS READY FOR ANY EMERGENCY, NATURAL DISASTER OR OTHERWISE HILLIARD, IT'S -- WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES HERE IN OUR AREA THAT TAKES TO HAVE A PROPER EMEREMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE RESPONSE AND BE PREPARED IN GENERAL. THAT COMMERCIAL GOES A LONG WAY MAKING ME FEEL GGOOD. I HOPE THAT THE REST OF THE PUBLIC FEELS THAT WHEN THEY WATCH THAT.

THE GIVING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE GIVING THAT YOU DO. I DIDN'T REAL RESPONDING TO THEM AND GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND SECURITY, PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO REPRESENT US. I ASSUMED TODAY WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA. WE KNOW SCHEDULES DON'T ALWAYS WORK OUT AND LUCKY TO GET ONE OR MAYBE ALL THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT MAYBE -- OUR CEO AND THE EAR STAFF CAN'T MAKE IT BUT TO HAVE ALL OF YOU HERE TODAY MEANS A LOT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOU AND

YOUR TEAM. >> I GOT TO DO ONE DISCLOSURE THOUGH ON DANIELLE HALE. I CALL HER MY DEAR, DEAR FRIEND LLOYD NEAL WHEN I SAW THE ACTION.

I SAID JUDGE, I WILL NEVER HIRE ANYBODY OUT FROM UNDER YOU AND HE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO HIRE HER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IN ONE OF YOUR PHOTOS, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER FOR THOSE WHO WORKED HERE A LONG TIME, CHRISTOPHER BOYCE WHO IS ALSO HERE IS STANDING NEXT TO DANIELLE.

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SO YOU HAVE -- AND WE NEED IT, RIG RIGHT. SO MUCH GROWTH.

AS AWESOME AS IT IS, THERE IS A POTENTIAL THREAT AND YOU NEED THE PROTECTION. THE A TEAM.

I LOVE THAT COMMERCIAL. IT IS GREAT.

ANY OTHER NECESSARY AS YOU SAID AND SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, BRIAN -- COMMISSIONER GULLEY SAY TALK PORT, WE CAN TALK ALL DAY LONG.

WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER MATTERS PRESSING, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS -- I AM JUST SO TICKLED PINK ABOUT THE 5%. I GUESS I HADN'T READ THE PAPER.

TIM, I HOPE YOU GET THAT OUT BECAUSE 5% IS A BIG DEAL.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: TELL THE PORT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OFF THIS DONE, BUT I LIKE THE EMPLOYMENT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 98,000 EMPLOYEES IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. THAT IS A LOT TO THE BRAG ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU, ROBERT. HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LIKEWISE TO YOU.

MERRY CHRISTMAS. OKAY, GUYS, WE WILL MOVE ON TO -- ITEM NUMBER 3. THIS IS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT

[3. Discuss and consider approval of Interlocal Agreement between Nueces County, Nueces Center for Mental Health and Intellectual Disabilities, and the Nueces County Hospital District; Agreement relates to the provision of Jail Diversion, Crisis Intervention, and Jail-Based Competency Restoration Services for the period October 1, 2022 - September 30, 2023.]

BETWEEN NUECES COUNTY AND NUECES COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH, YOU HMID, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. THIS RELATES TO THE DIVERSION AND COMPENSATION SERVICES. JENNY, WE ARE ALL GOOD TO GO.

>> WHAT ITEM ARE YOU REFERENCES? >>JUDGE CANALES: NUMBER 3.

REGULAR AGENDA 3-A-3. >> I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS NOT HOLD ON, THE JAIL DIVERSION PUN. THERE ARE TWO.

ONE THAT IS THE NORMAL FUNDING. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS A NORMAL ONE. HOW BY PASS ON IT AND YOU CHECK

ON IT FOR ME. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SAY IS DIVERSION ON. RHYME.

THIS IS THE JAIL DIVERSION PROGRAM THEY HAVE WITH HMID.

THEY HAVE A NORMAL AGREEMENT WITH HMID.

>> THEN THAT IS READY TO GO. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ONE

YEAR ONLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE DO IT EVERY YEAR. 3-A-#.

THIS IS THE NORMAL CONTRACT. AND IT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DID YOU

DO 2 OR SKIP 2? >> JUDGE CANALES: WE DID WITH

[4. Receive construction procurement method comparison from Lockwood, Andrews & Newnam, Inc. (LAN); discuss LAN and Shelter Planners of America recommendation for use of Competitive Sealed Proposals (CSP) as the preferred method for the construction of the proposed Animal Care Center in Robstown, and related matters.]

PETER WHITE WITH METROCOM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I CHECKED OFF THE WRONG ONE. SORRY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE NEXT ONE CONSTRUCTION, ITEM NUMBER 4.

AND WE WILL GET INFORMATION OF THE COMPARISON ON PROCUREMENT METHODS FOR -- SORRY FOR SHELTER PLANNERS OF AMERICA AND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE USE OF COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS AS THE PREFERRED METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION ORR FOR THE ANIMAL CARE CENTER. I AM GOING TO RECOGNIZE NYE I NEED JP GROM. SET SOMETHING THE TABLE.

THANK YOU, CONNIE. SHE HAS IT ON SCREEN OPINION.

THE ANIMAL CARE CENTER WE ALREADY APPROVED AND NOW WE ARE READY TO GET TO THAT CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT PROCUREMENT AND WAYS TO DO IT BEST. J.P. I WILL LET YOU TAKE OVER.

HE GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, WE ARE LOOKING TO DESCRIBE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS TEAM AND THIS IS TO USE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL AS THE PREFERRED METHOD.

IF I CAN GET THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE APPROXIMATELY WE WILL TALK OF THE THREE PRIMARY METHODS USED IN DELIVERY.

DESIGN, DESIGN MANAGER AND CONTRACT --

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, JUST --

>> SO I WILL CARRY ON WITH MY PRESENTATION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CONNIE WILL HELP US -- SOMEBODY IS NOT ON MUTE. JUST DOUBLE CHECK YOURSELVES, EVERYBODY. OKAY, GO AHEAD.

>> CONNIE, IF I CAN GET THAT SLIDE DECK BACK.

OKAY. I WATCHED CONNIE ON ZOOM PRETTY REGULARLY AND I KNOW YOU HAVE ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT JOBS IN THE ROOM TO MAKE SURE WE BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE PRESENTATIONS CORRECTLY. THANK YOU.

PLEASE ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

TALK OF CONSTRUCTION AND COMPETITIVE BIDDING.

A METHOD VERY TRADITIONAL AND SOMETHING YOU HAVE GROWN FAMILIAR WITH ON THE COUNTY. WE HAVE SEEN IT ON A FEW OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WE MANAGED. YOU HEAR IT SOMETIMES CALLED "HARD BID." A LUMP SUM PRICE FROM GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND RECEIVED WHEN THE COUNSEL STRUNGS DOCUMENTS

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HAVE 20% COMPLETION. WE ARE AT THAT POINT WITH ANIMAL SHELTERS OF AMERICA. THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR IS SELECTED BASED ON THEIR LOW PR PRICE. THERE IS SOME CONCERN IF THEY CAN BID ON WHAT YOU WANT. AND FALLS IN RANK AND ORDER.

WITH COMPETITIVE BIDING, GOODS WITH PROJECTS WITH SIMPLE SCOPE AND VERY COMPLETE BID DOCUMENTS. YOU SEE THIS USED A LOT OF TIME ON ROAD PROJECTS, CIVIL ENGINEERING IF THE QUANTITIES ARE KNOWN WITH X LINEAR FEET OF PIPE AND CULVERT CROSSINGS.

A GOOD METHOD FOR THAT TYPE OF PROJECT.

BUT POOR FOR PROJECTS COMPLETION AND UNKNOWN AND SEALED ISSUES.

ASKING FOR THE PROJECT TO HAVE PHASING, ETC. MAKES THIS METHOD A LITTLE MORE TOUGH TO IMPLEMENT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE CONTINUING WITH THE COMPETITIVE BID.

COMPLETE THE DESIGN AT 100%. AND THE PROJECT WILL BE BID.

MAKE AN AWARD CONTRACT, AND WILL WORK ON THE PROJECT.

THREE-BUILD PROCESS AND MAYBE YOU HEARD THAT TERM IN THE PAST.

NEXT SLIDE. WE INDICATE THE PROS AND CONS.

ONE OF THE PROS, VERY TRADITIONAL.

SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF OWNERS ACCUSTOMED TO.

IT MAKES SENSE IN THE BRAIN THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THE LOW PRICE AND THE BEST WAY TO AWARD A PROJECT.

IT DOES REQUIRE A VERY FIRM PROJECT SCOPE AS I MENTIONED EARLIER AND HIGHLY COMPETITIVE FROM A PRICING DIDN'T.

ONE OF THE CONS -- SOME OF CONS THERE ARE RISKS THAT COME FROM COST OVERRUNS WHEN THERE ARE GAPS IN THE DESIGN POTENTIALLY OR A NEED FOR SOME DESIGN PHASE INPUT.

YOU MIGHT LOSE SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES IF YOU GO WITH THIS METHOD WHEN WORKING THROUGH DESIGN PHASE SERVICES AND WANTING TO INTEGRATE IS A CONTRACTOR.

ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT WHICH IS NOTE WORTHY IT SEEMS MORE CONFRONTATIONAL DURING CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR HAS BEDFORD THE PROJECT FOR THE LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICE AND TO MAXIMIZE. ANY DISCREPANCY IS A SET OF STRONGER ARM WRESTLING MATCHES TO GET TO THE OWNER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION.

I AM KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT THIS.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AM TOO.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT THAT -- BECAUSE IT SAYS SHELTER PLANNERS ON THE AGENDA. I THOUGHT WE WEREN'T USING SHELTER PLANNERS ANYMORE ON THIS.

>> SHELTER PLANNERS OF AMERICA IS FULLY UNDER CONTRACT, 100%

DESIGN COMPLETE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY.

WHAT WAS THE ISSUE ON THIS. REDUCE IT BECAUSE WE REDUCED THE

SIZE. >> THE PROJECT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO MATCH THE $4.2 MILLION PROJECT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: HOW MUCH?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT WE BROUGHT IN SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THE WORK -- MAYBE ON ANOTHER PROJECT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE THINKING OF THE SMITHGROUP FOR

THE M.E. PROJECT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AS SOON AS YOU SAID THAT, YOU ARE RIGHT. FULLY DESIGNED AT THE $4.2 MILLION LEVEL WHICH IS WHAT THE COURT -- I ASKED -- AND I ASKED TERESA AND TRYING -- CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW THIS IS BEING FUNDED. A BREAKDOWN OF THE FUNDING.

I ASKED FOR THAT LATE, AND I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE GO ON 2. THAT'S IT.

>> CONTINUING ON WITH THE NEXT SLIDE, CONNIE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. CONTINUE ON WITH THE TEAM OF HOW THE PROJECTS ARE DELIVERED. AND YOU HAVE THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID, AND THE TEAM OF THE PROGRAM MANAGER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND THE ARCHITECT ENGINEER ALL WORKING AND HOLDING CONTRACTS DIRECTLY WITH THE COUNTY. AWARDED GENERAL CONTRACTOR HOLD ALL THE CONTRACTS. SUBCONTRACTS IN THE BOX BELOW.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER TOO. RIGHT NOW THE PLANNERS OF AMERICA WHICH ARE THE ARCHITECTS, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY ARE FINISHED ALREADY WITH THEIR -- THEY ARE COMPLETE -- COMPLETE ALREADY AND FINISHED WITH THEIR DESIGN AND ARCHITECT, RIGHT?

>> THE ANSWER IS YES. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: 100

COMPLETE? >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE DESIGN THEY GIVE -- HAVE GIVEN US OR SOMEBODY IS THAT WE WILL GO -- THAT WILL GO FOR BID FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? YOU SAID WE -- I KNOW ONE POINT WAS A $5 MILLION PACKAGE HERE. AND WE WENT DOWN TO WHAT?

>> YOUR TOTAL ALLOCATED COST FOR THIS PROJECT IS $4.2 MILLION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THOUGHT IT WAS UNDER $4 MILLION.

>> THE CONSTRUCTION AMOUNT IS UNDER $4 MILLION.

BUT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS $4.2 MILLION.

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>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT'S WHY I -- I THOUGHT IT WAS -- I THOUGHT WE WOULD STAY UNDER $4 MILLION.

I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER MAREZ AT ONE POINT.

I THINK WE NEED A BREAKDOWN OF EVERYTHING IN JANUARY, WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THIS THING. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO GO BACK AND SAY -- I TOLD THIS TO COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

SPENDING $4 MILLION FOR ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY, BUT CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY ON THE SENIOR CENTERS AND ALL THAT.

THAT IS STILL MY CONCERN I HAD LAST TIME.

I DON'T KNOW, I JUST -- AND I SUPPORT THE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW.

AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD PROGRAM.

BUT I NEVER AGREED ON ALL THIS MONEY THAT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND. NOW -- I THOUGHT IT WAS UNDER -- AND THOUGHT WE WOULD STAGED THE $4 MILLION.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD COME BACK BE IN JANUARY.

REALLY LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONER MAREZ LATER ON.

BUT I THINK WE -- I JUST NEED TO -- I AM STILL NOT THERE WITH THE OVER $4 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT OVER $4 MILLION AGAIN WHEN WE WERE UNDER $4 MILLION.

AND I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE AT ONE TIME.

THREE POINT WHATEVER IT WAS WITH THE JUDGES AND COMMIS COMMISSIONER MAREZ INPUT. FROM THE CO AND WHERE IT CAME

FROM, $2.5 UNTIL AND WHATEVER -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TERESA -- IT IS ON YOUR LEFT. THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO LOOK AT TOO BECAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THIS IS WHY -- I DIDN'T WANT TO GO UP ON THIS -- THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME.

I HATE TO TABLE THIS THING UNTIL JANUARY 18 UNLESS COMMISSIONER MAREZ SAYS WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO.

BUT I WILL YIELD TO HIM. I FEEL WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS

THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. >>JUDGE CANALES: TODAY IS NOT A FUNDING DISCUSSION. TODAY IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WILL SAVE MONEY AS A COUNTY ON THE BIDDING PROCEDURES.

YOU ACTUALLY -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DO IT

ON JANUARY. >>JUDGE CANALES: EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW

WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I

UNDERSTAND. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE PURPOSE OF TODAY IS TO CHOOSE THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT BECAUSE EVERY DAY THAT YOU WAIT IT WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE.

AND THE $4.2 MILLION WAS A MOTION THAT CAME -- EITHER YOU MADE IT OR SECONDED IT. MAYBE MAREZ BUT YOU SECONDED IT.

THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF HOW MUCH THECTS AND DESIGNERS HAVE ALREADY DESIGNED TO THE AMOUNT THAT THIS COURT ALREADY APPROPRIATED. AND SO $4.2 MILLION INCLUDE ARCHITECTURAL FEES AND ALL OF THE OTHER FEE THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BOOK.

I THINK IT IS UNDER ITEM NUMBER 1 IN THAT BOOK AND SHOWS YOU -- THERE WILL BE FEES, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR ENGINEERS, FOR ARCHITECT, FOR DESIGN, FOR SURVEYING AND CONTINGENCY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR -- I YIELD TO COMMISSIONER MAREZ. I SEE IF HE WANTED TO HAVE INPUT BEFORE I MAKE ANY KIND OF MOTION.

BUT I -- I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I KNOW WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF HEARING THE REASONS WHY EACH OF THESE METHODS ARE THE BEST.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO FINISH THAT, BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE IS SOME COST SAVING OPINION ON WHAT WE GO WITH.

BUT ALSO, WITH AIDEE BET BETWEEN AIDEE AND TERESA, MAYBE HAVE THE COURT RECALL WHAT WE DID WITH FUNDED.

A FULLY FUNDED PROGRAM AT THIS POINT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JOHN, IT'S HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: NOT ABOUT ADDING.

IS THAT THE RIGHT AMOUNT, THE $4.2 MILLION?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. $4.2 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: ALREADY ALLOCATED.

PUT IN MONEY THAT THE -- THAT THE JUDGE IS FUNDING AND WE MADE UP THE DIFFERENCE -- THE COURT WAS WILLING TO GO UP TO SO MUCH

AMOUNT -- >> REDUCED FOR $527 MILLION TO -- OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO $4.2 MILLION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TO $3 MILLION.

>> $4.2 MILLION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I MEAN BEFORE COMMISSIONER MAREZ AND THE JUDGE PUT IN THEIR FUNDS IT

WAS $3 MILLION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY

ONLY PUT IN $100,000 EACH. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT'S

IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: $1,000,000 EACH AND THE REST WITH COS AND OTHER THAT WE FOUND. IT WAS MORE THAN -- 100 FROM COURTHOUSE SECURITY STATIONS AND THE JUDGES.

100 FROM COMMISSIONER MAREZ. IT BREAKS IT.

IT WASN'T IN THE BACK-UP AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR

EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT IT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I TONIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER, BUT AT THE

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END, I WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE IT JANUARY 18 TO MAKE SURE

-- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE ITEM TODAY ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER TO PROCURE.

SO IF YOU VOTE TO PROCURE THIS, THAT MEANS MICHAEL IS GOING TO GO FORWARD AND SPEND HIS MAN-HOUR AND WOMEN HOURS TO DO THIS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE NOT JUST COMPARING WAYS TO DO IT. THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO ASK FOR US TO GO OUT FOR BIDS NOW. WHICH IS.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NOT READY FOR THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU VOTE ON THAT, THEN YOU CAN'T.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS COURT -- THIS COURT HAS VOTED FOR A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT. AND YOU NOW HAVE YOUR ARCHITECT WHO HAS FINISHED HIS WORK. THE NEXT COURSE OF ACTION IS TO GO OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION. AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HERE IT SHALL I THINK YOU SHOULD FINISH -- CAN WHICH WAY IS THE BEST WAY TO GO OUT AND SAVE THE COUNTY DOLLARS.

AND HE IS SHOWING YOU THE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

TODAY'S DECISION IS IMPORTANT PAUSE IT SAYS, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT A OR B. AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS B, AND WE ARE LEARNING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.

I WILL LET YOU GET BACK ON COURSE BECAUSE WE ALREADY MADE THE DECISION AND YOU ALREADY SPENT LOTS OF DOLLARS IN DESIGNING IT. YOU CAN'T PROBABLE TAXPAYER AND SAY I AM GOING TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY AND NOT DESIGN IT.

THE LONGER YOU WAIT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS.

AND ALSO THE IMPORTANT THING HERE IS THAT THE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS UNLESS THIS CASE, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO LEARN IS WHY THAT ONE WILL SAVE US MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN AND GO AHEAD AND TAKE US BACK THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE LAND FEE IN THE $4.2 MILLION.

>> YES. IF I CAN GET THE NEXT SLIDE, CONNIE. ALL RIGHT, UNDER THE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL METHOD WHICH IS THE ONE WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU DO STILL RECEIVE A LUMP SUM PRICE FROM THE CONTRACTOR AT 100% DESIGN. DESIGN DOCUMENTS REACH 100% AS THEY ARE WITH THE TRADITIONAL HARD BID PROJECT.

THE ONE DIFFERENCE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TOP INCORPORATE QUALIFICATIONS IN IF THE SELECTION PROCESS.

>> MENTIONED BY YOU AND I HEARD THE JUDGE SAY THIS DESIGN HAS NOW BEEN DONE. WHERE IS THAT?

>> THE DESIGN ITSELF. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS

WHAT THE JUDGE. >> AS THEY SAY SHOVEL READY.

ON THE SHELF WAITING FOR THIS APPROVAL TO TAKE PLACE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE SEEN A PRESENTATION HERE IN COURT

ALREADY OF THE DESIGN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE $4.2

MILLION. >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN YOU GET THEM TO SEND IT OVER.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW.

I DON'T SIT IN EVERY WEEKLY MEETING, BUT I HAVE GOTTEN IN ON MOST OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD -- VIRTUAL MEETINGS AND THE ENTIRE TEAM HAS BEEN PART OF THIS PROJECT AND DISCUSSION AND LEAD UP TO IN. WE AS A COURT HAVE A SET OF EYES AND IF I AM NOT THERE, AIDEE IS THERE, AND WE HAVE PARTICIPATION IN OVERSIGHT. I HEARD YOU ALL AND I THINK WE ALL HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING KEEP IT UNDER WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED AMOUNT AND THAT HAS VERY MUCH BEEN MY MANTRA MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FROM J.P. AND HIS TEAM, EVERY WEEK.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THE TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING VERY WELL TO STICK TO THE BUDGET ASSIGNED FOR CONSTRUCTION AND OVERALL BUDGET. IN THE CASE OF THIS COMPETITIVE SEALED METHOD. ANOTHER REASON TO HAVE A METHOD LIKE THIS, COMPLEXITY TO IT, THIS IS UNWILDFIRE THE JOBS.

A LOT OF SYSTEMS RELATED TO HVAC AND FINISHES AND SOME OF THE ACCESS CONTROL THAT WILL BE A PART OF THE PROJECT THAT ARE FAIRLY COMPLEX. AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID IS AWARD A PROJECT TO CONTRACTOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITIES, QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE TO SYSTEMS CREATING MORE COST EVENTS FOR THE COUNTY. A RISK MANAGEMENT STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US ON OTHER COMPLEX PROJECTS WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED ACROSS THE STATE.

THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WE ARE RECOMMEND IT TO THE COUNTY IN THIS CASE. IF I CAN GET THE NEXT SLIDE, CONNIE. A SIMILAR TIME FRAME TO THE TRADITIONAL HARD BID METHOD. TAKING THE DESIGN TO 100% COMPLETION. WE WILL BID THE PROJECT AND HIRE THE CONTRACTOR. THE ONE DIFFERENCE IN THE SELECTION OF THE CONTRACTOR YOU ARE SEEING A PRICE AND QUALIFICATIONS PUT IT IN A RUBRIC.

PRICE FOR COST AND THE BEST VALUE PROVIDER FOR THE COUNTY.

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BEST VALUE IS SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE LOWEST INITIAL COST BUT CERTAINLY GENERALLY BRINGS US ADDITIONAL VALUE IN TERMS OF MINIMAL CHANGE ORDER, ETC. THAT WE CAN BENEFIT FROM.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I WON'T READ ALL OF THESE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME WORDS THAT I AM USING LARGELY.

WE ARE BENEFITING FROM THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CONTRACTOR QUALIFICATIONS CONSIDERED. WE DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE PERHAPS A FIRM THAT HAS NO BUSINESS BUILDING A $4 MILLION OR $3 MILLION PROJECT IS ENTRUST WITH THE PROJECT.

WE ARE ABLE TO SCREEN, FULL, THE FIRMS THAT HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.

FROM THE CON SIDE, VERY FEW IN OUR PERSPECTIVE FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MISSED WITH HARD BID FOR THE CONTRACTOR'S INPUT.

LITTLE TOTAL SCHEDULED BUT IN THE CASE OF THIS PROJECT WHICH HAS A NICE CLEAN SET OF DRAWINGS, WE WILL BE IN GOOD SHAPE GOING FORWARD. THIS ALSO HAS THE BENEFIT OF REDUCING SOME OF THAT ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP THAT I MENTIONED. WHICH IS IMPORTANT.

PICKED A QUALITY CONTRACTOR AND TEND TO BE BETTER AT MANAGING THE OBSTACLES IN THE PROJECT AND LESS LIKELY TO SEEK RECOVER TREE FROM THE COUNTY. NEXT SLIDE.

AND I WILL CALL THIS THE LAST SLIDE AND WE WILL STICK THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL. THE ORG CHART, THE DESIGN-BUILD, TRADITIONAL METHOD I STARTED WITH.

THE CONTRACTOR IS SELECTED BASED ON QUALIFICATION AND THEIR PRICE COMPONENT. ALL THE SUBCONTRACTORS ARE UNDER THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. I WILL SKIP THE CONSTRUCTION MANNER AT RISK AND NOT THE TOPIC FOR THE COURT AND WHERE THE

AGENDA ITEM IS RESIDING. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION AFTER UNDERSTANDING AND WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECT BECAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE LIST, RIGHT -- I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT EVERYTHING FROM, LIKE, THE AIR SYSTEM, PAUSE IT IS ANIMALS AND YOU HAVE TO WORK ON THE SMELL.

>> THE SMELLS. >>THE VENTILATION.

NOT JUST NORMAL HVAC. NOT YOUR NORMAL.

ALMOST LIKE -- FROM DRAINAGE TO EVERYTHING IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT IS LIKE A LITTLE HOSPITAL FOR ANIMALS.

>> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. >>JUDGE CANALES: BECAUSE OF THAT YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE BETTER OFF ECONOMICALLY.

>> ECONOMICALLY FOR SURE. AND ALSO FROM A QUALITY DIDN'T.

WE TEND TO BELIEVE THAT COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL DELIVERS A MORE HIGH-QUALITY PROJECT, MORE SUSTAINABLE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL MAKE THE MOTION BASED ON THAT TO MAKE THE CSP THE PREFERRED METHOD AND ASK FOR A SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: BY PULLING $100,000 FROM COURTHOUSE SECURITY, DOES THAT SET BACK THE BUDGET ON THE COURTHOUSE SECU

SECURITY? >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT ARE YOU

TALKING ABOUT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE OF

THE FUNDING SOURCES. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I

THOUGHT WE TOOK IT OUT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALREADY

TOOK IT OUT. >> TOOK IT OUT OF THE COURT HOUSE SECURITY. I AM ASKING FOR ENOUGH IN THE

COURT HOUSE SECURITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM LEAVING -- I HAVE -- FIRST OF ALL, I PLACED IN COURTHOUSE SECURITY OVER $1 MILLION. WE HAVE EXPENDED ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED. WE EVEN JUST DID ONE RECENTLY IN COURT NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH THE MCKIN SFWLEE EVIDENCE ROOM.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT AND THERE IS A 1.2 IN ARPA.

I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. BUT THERE IS SUFFICIENT DOLLARS EVERYWHERE. AND ALSO WHEN WE MADE THAT DECISION, THE COURT VOTED ON IT. SO WHEN WE DID THE UNALLOCATED AMOUNTS AND WHEN WE DID THE COMMISSIONER MAREZ'S PRECINCT FUNDS ALONG WITH MINE, WE WOUND UP APPROVING THAT HERE AS A COURT. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS A FULLY

FUNDED PROJECT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THAT IS FINE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE COURTHOUSE

SECURITY WILL BE FUNDED. >>JUDGE CANALES: HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. $650,000 LEFT WITH NO REQUEST AT THIS TIME. WE PUT IN A FEW KIOSKS -- NOT KIOSKS BUT THE ACCESS CODES ON FLOOR FIVE DUE TO THE AUXILIARY COURT BEING PUT ON THERE. SO THINGS HAVE COME UP, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM COMPREHENSIVELY.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: OKAY, THANK YOU.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: QUESTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND THEN

COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND COMMENTS TOO. I HAVE BEEN FULLY ON RECORD ON NOT SUPPORTING WHY WE DO THIS PROJECT.

ONE IS I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE TO BUILD THIS FACILITY. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME. TWO, I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE -- CONTINUE AND NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF SOME SORT OF CONSOLIDATION REHAB THE CURRENT FACILITY AT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND NOT $4 MILLION AS PART OF A CONSOLIDATION EFFORT. THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

I THINK THAT OPPORTUNITY EXISTS AND SHOULD BE DONE BEFORE WE BUILD ANOTHER $4.2 MILLION FACILITY.

I THINK THIS AGENDA ITEM FULLY COMMITS -- NOT FULLY COMMITS BUT MAKES IT HARD TO BACKBECAUSE IF WE -- I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ THAT WE SHOULD WAIT AND PASS THIS IN JANUARY.

PUTTING MICHAEL TO DO MORE TIME, ENERGY AND MORE EFFORT AND MAKE IT HARDER TO BACKTRACK IN JANUARY ON IT IF THE COURT DECIDES TO GO A DIFFERENT METHOD OR FUND IS LOWER OR DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, AGAIN, AND I AM OKAY.

I AM IN THE MINORITY ON IT, I GET IT.

BUT I BELIEVE FULLY WE SHOULD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY TO CONSOLIDATE THE EFFORT AND USE THE FACILITY WE HAVE THERE IN MUCH LESS OF A CAPACITY THAT WE ARE DOING.

I TRULY DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.

I THINK WE HAVE ALL KIND OF PROBLEMS OUT THERE THAT WE ARE STILL INVESTIGATING AND LOOKING INTO.

TO BUILD A $4.2 MILLION PROJECT WITH ALL THE INSTABILITY WE HAVE IN THAT PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW IS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. I HAVE SAID THAT FOR -- IT'S OPINION A YEAR AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SAY IT BECAUSE IT IS NEVER TOO LATE. A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO GO FORWARD. A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT IT IS.

THAT IS AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO IT. THE MONEY SPENT SO FAR PALES IN COMPARISON OF THE MONEY WE ARE ABOUT TO SPEND.

WE SPENT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSANDS.

WE ARE GOING TO COMMIT TO $4.2 MILLION.

JUST BECAUSE IT IS FULLY FUNDED AND JUST BECAUSE WE SPENT MONEY ON DESIGN, IT IS TOO LATE. IT IS TOO LATE IF WE GO OUT TO BID AND AWARD A BID. WE ARE NOT -- I WILL VOTE NO ON THIS FOR THOSE REASONS AND I WOULD LIKE THE MINUTES TO REFLECT THAT. I DO BELIEVE WE NEED A STRONG PRESENCE IN THAT AREA. AND I THINK WE, AGAIN, SHOULD SPEND SIGNIFICANT MONEY REHABBING THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE. CONSOLIDATE WITH THE CITY AND HAVE THAT AS A SATELLITE OFFICE AND USE THAT FOR THE OUTLYING AREAS. WE HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY HAVE A FACILITY IN THAT AREA. I AM AWARE OF THAT.

WE NEED A FACILITY FOR LARGE FARM ANIMALS.

AND I AM AWARE OF THAT. WE HAVE A FACILITY THAT NEEDS REHABBING AND NOT JUST BUILD IT AND HOPE WE HAVE ALL THE PROBLEMS AND THE SITUATIONS OUT THERE THAT WILL BE UNDER A LOT OF REVIEW IN JANUARY. COUNTY MANAGER HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH BRINGING US BACK A DETAILED INVESTIGATION OF WHAT IS GOING ON A OUT THERE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND NOW WE NEED TO CHANGE THINGS, STAFF, BOARD, EVERYTHING.

SHE MAY COME BACK AND SAY NOTHING IS WRONG.

HAVEN'T HAD THAT PRESENTATION YET.

TO COMMIT TO PROCURING SOMETHING THAT QUITE FRANKLY I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE DOING IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE ARE IN.

JUST THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THIS PRESENTATION, HAVE THE ANIMAL SERVICES PRESENTATION.

SHE IS GOING TO DO IT. AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE FACILITY. HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY AND THEN TALK ABOUT THAT FACILITY.

AGAIN, I GET IT. I HAVE BEEN OUTVOTED BEFORE.

I WILL BE OUTVOTED AGAIN AND I WILL SPEAK MY PEACE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL SUPPORT ANY MOTION THAT A

COMMISSIONER MAKES. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THOUGHT YOU HAD A QUESTION. I WASN'T SURE.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: JUST AGAIN, I AM CONCERNED HOW WE DO THIS.

WHEN WE HAVE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT THERE.

I KNOW Y'ALL DID A GOOD JOB, J.P. OF PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT -- BUT -- YOU ARE -- THIS PROGRAM MANAGEMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING NOW. PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

A SEPARATE BUCKET OF MONEY. >> I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND

YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DOES

THIS INCLUDE EVERYTHING -- >> I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT AND HAVING A HARD TIME FOLLOWING.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: PUT TOGETHER IN THE PAST.

BUT THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND PAYING YOU GUYS FOR DOING THE WORK AND DOING -- STAYING WITH THE

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ARCHITECT. AND WHATEVER HAS TO BE DONE.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, I THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE OPINION AN OPEN ITEM HERE WHERE WE GO BACK AND SELECT THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT TEAM TO DO THE PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT SOMEBODY PUTTING THIS TOGETHER BECOME THE PROGRAM MANAGERS AUTOMATICALLY, RIGHT.

AND I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE WE HAD ISSUE WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CONTRACT WILL READ.

WHETHER YOU ARE HERE EVERY SINGLE DAY, TWICE A WEEK OR ONCE A WEEK. BECAUSE WE HAD THOSE ISSUES, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE -- NOBODY IS HERE.

YOU KNOW. YOU CALL SOMEBODY AND HAS TO COME DOWN FROM SAN ANTONIO, COME DOWN FROM WHATEVER.

SO I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. WHERE AUTOMATICALLY YOU ALL BECOME THE PROGRAM MANAGERS OF THE PROJECT.

WHEN WE -- >> WE ALREADY THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE DESIGN TEAM.

ARCHITECT TEAM. EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT NOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW.

THIS IS WHERE -- THIS IS WHERE -- THE $63,000 IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT, YOU KNOW. THIS IS WHERE I AM -- YOU KNOW, AUTOMATICALLY YOU BECOME THAT PROGRAM MANAGER, I GUESS.

BUT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT. THIS IS I DIDN'T DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD NOW BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW HOW CAN WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT AND COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WE NEED TO GO OUT AND LOOK F FOR RFQS.

RFPS FOR PROGRAM MANAGER. >> WE WORK AT THE WILL OF THE

COURT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THIS IS WHY I AM SAYING THAT THIS THIS IS MY WILL.

I AM SAYING I DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT IS IN HERE ON THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE. WE ARE WORKING ON PROJECTS THAT AUTOMATICALLY THAT IS LABELED "PROGRAM MANAGEMENT" AND IT STAYS. BUT AGAIN, WE HAD SO MUCH PROBLEMS WITH -- WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT THAT IS THE NO HERE.

WHEN WE NEED HEM OR NOT MONITORING.

IT SHOULD BE MONITORING. YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS PROBABLY

WHY SHANE IS NOT HERE NO MORE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT ANY COMMENTS REGARDING EMPLOYEES BE HELD CONFIDENTIALLY, IF THAT IS

OKAY WITH YOU, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I

RESPECT YOUR WISH. >> THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION AND WE WANT TO GET ON THE RECORD CORRECTING THAT -- THIS AGENDA ITEM IS APPROVING A METHOD --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WANT TO IMPROVE THE METHOD.

THAT IS WHY I AM BRINGING THIS UP.

I WANT TOP APPROVE THE METHOD AND I NEVER AGREED WITH THAT BEFORE. AND I STILL DON'T A DRY WITH THE WAY WE DO IT. I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO DO ANYTHING, I THINK WE NEED TO PULL OUT PROGRAM MANAGE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT FROM THERE AND COME BACK TO SEE WHAT WE DO WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. WHATEVER WE PAY YOU FOR WHAT YOU DONE. YOUR PRICE.

WE PAY YOU. BUT I -- AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY WHAT -- WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO AS PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

SO THIS IS -- >> SEEMS LIKE THAT MAY BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION FROM THE ONE HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THIS IS A CONVERSATION I AM HAVING NOW BECAUSE I -- I AM NOT READY TO DO IT WITH THE PROGRAM

MANAGEMENT IN THAT CONTRACT. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.

APPRECIATES IT. YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THANKS, JUDGE.

YOU KNOW I HEAR THE CONCERNS AND THEY HAVE COME UP BEFORE.

I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S CONCERNS AND WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND WORK WITH AIDEE TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT AND THE FACT THAT THIS CONVERSATION COMES UP. GRANTED, YOU STUCK TO THE SAME PERSPECTIVE ALL THIS TIME, SO I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THIS -- BE THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME CONCERN. AND IF NO ONE HAS ACTED ON IT, IT IS NOT MY FAULT. WE ARE READY TO GO.

WE ARE READY TO MOVE. WE HAVE BEEN MOVING FORWARD TO THIS. WE HAD UPDATES TO THIS COURT SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST, WHAT, TWO YEARS AT LEAST NOW.

HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN DOING THIS?

>> YES, TWO YEARS. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: AT LEAST TWO YEARS. I GET THESE ARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS AND I WISH WE WOULD HAVE HAD THEM ADDRESSED EARLIER ON. NOTHING CHANGES TODAY.

THE WAY IT IS PROSED FOR US TODAY IS MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK THIS IS TAKING AT LEAST TWO OR THREE STEPS BACK IF WE WERE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. UP UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE ALWAYS WANTING TO BE RESOURCEFUL.

I UNDERSTAND IN CONSOLIDATING. I AM ONE OF THE ONES THAT ALWAYS TALKED OF CONSOLIDATING OF SERVICES AND PARTNERING WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES WHETHER IT BE CITIES AND OTHER

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FORMS TO BE INCLUSIVE AND THE BEST USE OF TAX DOLLARS.

I KNOW THAT THE ISSUE OF -- SHOULD WE CONSOLIDATE WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND CPD WITH THEIR ANIMAL CONTROL AND SERVICES AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT IF YOU LOOK IN MY BACK YARD AT MY OFFICE AT -- AT 4550 FM 892, YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS IS A -- AN OLD FACILITY THAT IS IN NEED OF USE.

AND THAT LOCATION FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERY FACILITY THAT IS THERE. WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS.

MY OFFICE. ANIMAL SERVICES ALL NEED TO BE UPDATED. SEVERAL DECADES OLD WITH LITTLE UPDATE AT ALL. THIS PROJECT ALLOWS US TO HAVE THAT UPDATE TO FIX A FACILITY THAT WILL HELP REDUCE THE CHANCE OF -- OF KEEPING DISEASE, SPREAD OF DISEASE UNDER CONTROL BECAUSE THE BEST TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE THIS PROVIDES A BETTER LOCATION THAT, YES, CAN ONE DAY IN THE FUTURE WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, BUT ALSO RURAL ENOUGH NOT INTO THE CITY ITSELF THAT ALLOWS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OR UNINCORPORATED AREAS THAT WE SERVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE ANIMALS, BROUGHT, DELIVERED AND SERVICED THERE. I MEAN, THERE IS A LOT OF ARGUMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ITEM, BUT THE FACT IS THAT WE -- WE HAVE HAD AMPLE UPDATES.

NOT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE TIME TWO YEARS AGO AND NOW HERE WE ARE READY TO MOVE TO STEP TWO.

THIS IS STEP FIVE OR TEN IN A MULTITUDE OF STEPS WE HAD OVERSIGHT AND CONTROL. AND THIS COURT HAD ALREADY AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD. THIS COURT ALREADY AGREED THAT $5 MILLION WAS TOO MUCH AND WE REDUCED A AMOUNT DOWN AND FOUND OTHER WAYS TO SUPPORT THAT FUNDING WITH OLD COS THAT WE WERE TOLD TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY AN AUDITOR THAT WE NEED TO GET RID OF OUR OLD COS. THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO IT. I APPRECIATION 199-- APPRECIATER THE EFFORT TO MOVE FORWARD BUT THIS IS THE STEP THAT WE NEED TO DO. CONVERSATIONS TO BE THIS IN THE FUTURE. HOW DO WE OPERATE? GO UNDER A ONE-TIER SYSTEM RATHER THAN CITY AND COUNTY.

MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING WE LOOK AT, BUT TO STOP THIS WHOLE PROCESS TODAY IS TO -- IS COUNTERINTUITIVE IN MY OPINION.

THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE HEARD BUT VOTED UPON.

I APPRECIATES COMMISSIONER WANTS -- WANTS TO SUPPORT A NEW FACILITY BUT FEELS THIS ONE MAYBE IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME BECAUSE WE CAN PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI.

BUT WE VOTED ON THAT. WE MADE THAT HAPPEN AS A WHOLE.

AND I THINK IT WAS A 4-1 VOTE THAT WE VOTED ON TO MAKE THIS.

SO I -- IN KEEPING WITH THAT SPIRIT, I WANT -- I WANT TO.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION JUST BECAUSE WE DECIDE TODAY DOESN'T MEAN THIS IS WHERE THE PROJECT STOPS OR JUST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED AS A COUNTY FACILITY THAT IN PERPETUITY IT WILL.

OUR FOCUS CAN CHANGE EVERY YEAR AS WE SAW A CHANGE WITH THE CITY-COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT CAN HAPPEN.

AND ALLOW THIS PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD.

I WANT TOP SAVE MONEY. I ALWAYS HEAR -- -- I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF US ARE IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS, BUT WE ARE ALWAYS TOLD CHEAPER TO BUILD NOW TYPICALLY THAN IT IS IN THE FUTURE. TYPICALLY.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. THIS IS A COST-SAVING MEASURE WE ALL WANT TO HELP SAVE MONEY NOW. CHEAPER TO BUILD IT NOW.

AND I THINK THAT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU PRESENTED, J.P. THAT I SECONDED ON HERE ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT -- THAT IS WHAT I AM IN SUPPORT OF AND IN FAVOR OF IS ALLOWING US TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE THIS PROJECT HAPPEN. I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND AIDEE AND OUR PARTNERS AT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI HOW TO MAKE A BETTER PARTNERSHIP IF THE FUTURE. ONE THING THAT WILL NOT CHANGE IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN OUR CURRENT LOCATIONS IN CORPUS CHRISTI IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE.

OR DECREASE. IT IS THE SAME AMOUNT OF MILES TODAY AS IT EVER WILL BE. SO WE NEED PEOPLE -- WE NEED TO MAKE COUNTY SERVICES -- ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY ARE THERE IS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT EASIER ARE, MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE MAY HAVE WITH CITY OF ROBSTOWN.

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THEY ARE DOWN PERSONNEL AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO HELP THEM WITH. NOW WE SEEM TO BE IN THAT CYCLE ITSELF. BACK AND FORTH.

I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO IMPROVE THAT.

IF THAT INCLUDES PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI ONE DAY, LET'S DO IT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE AN EITHER-OR. WE CAN MOVE AHEAD AND ALLOW THIS PROCESS TO TAKE PLACE, AND THEN CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION TO SEE HOW CAN WE PLAN IT OUT. I DON'T SEE IT AS ONE ENDING THE OTHER'S OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE VOTE ON THIS TODAY.

WITH A COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL.

WE AGREED TO IT AND SUPPORTED IT AND FOUND THE FUNDING.

NOTHING IS CHANGING THAT TODAY. IT IS AUTHORIZING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP. THAT IS ALL I AM ASKING FROM THE COURT IS TO ALLOW US TO MOVE NOT NEXT STEP WHICH WE ALREADY VOTED

ON PREVIOUSLY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JOHN, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THE REASON THAT CONVERSATION WAS NEVER HAD, BECAUSE THE COURT TOLD ME NOT TO.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I NEVER TOLD YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DID. I MADE A MOTION AND I DIDN'T GET A SECOND. I WAS NOT ALLOWED -- I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COURT.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: NOBODY REPRIMANDED.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT NO POINT.

IF THE COURT IS NOT INTERESTED, I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE A LENGTHY SET OF CONVERSATIONS WHEN THE COURT -- I AM OKAY WITH THAT, BUT THE COURT OUTVOTED MY REQUEST EACH TIME.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THAT'S WHY I AM SAYING I WANT TO YOU KNOW, I AM OKAY WITH IT. I AM OKAY WITH THAT CONVERSATION IN THE FUTURE. I TONIGHT THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAPPEN OVERNIGHT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. I THINK THIS COULD BE YEARS IN THE MAKING. SO IT TALKS ABOUT -- IT IS GOING TO DEAL WITH BUDGETING AND PERSONNEL AND ALL OF THAT.

IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME IF WE EVER GET THERE AND I AM NOT SAYING LET'S TURN IT TOWN, I AM SAYING WE ARE HERE.

WE NEED TO BUILD THIS FACILITY. LET'S BUILD IT NOW WHILE THE

COST IS CHEAP. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE ON THAT. I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I TRIED MAKE A MOTION. AND IT NEVER GOT ANYWHERE.

THAT IS OKAY. I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND I AM NOT GOING TO SPEND TIME ON SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THIS COURT

BY A 4-1 VOTE DIDN'T WANT TO DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM GOING TO BRING US BACK HOME HERE AFTER SOME LENGTHY DISCUSSION.

AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY AND THE ITEM THAT WE ARE ON WAS SIMPLY TO RECEIVE THE COMPARISON, WHICH WE DID.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHILE IT IS A COMPARISON ON THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, YOU SHOULD KEEP THESE NOTES, BECAUSE THEY COULD PERTAIN TO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE AS TO WHICH TYPE OF PROCUREMENT. THE REASON THERE ARE SIX THAT EXISTS IN THE CODE IS BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN EACH OF THEM ARE BETTER THAN THE OTHER. AND YOU -- THAT IS NONDEBATABLE.

THAT IS WHY THEY EXIST SOMETIMES.

AND WE USE THEM -- NOT ALL OF THEM BUT USED QUITE A FEW.

WHETHER IT IS JOB, JOB ORDER CONTRACTING, COMPETITIVE BID PROPOSALS, DESIGN-BUILD. DIFFERENT FACILITIES THAT YOU ARE BUILDING, INFRASTRUCTURE MERIT DIFFERENT LOOKS AT WHAT TYPE OF PROCUREMENT IS BEST. THAT IS ALL TO DO ONE THING, GET A BETTER JOB QUALITY WISE AND SAVE MONEY.

THAT IS THE ISSUE BEFORE HERE TODAY.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COURT SINCE WE KIND OF GONE INTO THIS IS THAT THERE IS A REASON THAT THIS BUILDING WAS NEEDED.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE A FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS DONE BEFORE THE ARCHITECTS GOT INTO DESIGN BY OUR OWN VOTE.

THE FEASIBILITY STUDY SAID SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FLATTERING. OVERRUN WITH STRAY ANIMALS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE THE THIRD WORST IN THE COUNTRY.

FEASIBILITY STUDY GAVE US A BLUEPRINT FOR WHAT WE NEEDED.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO OPERATES IT.

YOU CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WHENEVER.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU HAVE BOARD MEMBERS WHO AREN'T GETTING A I LONG. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE WORKED WITH OR THROUGH AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON HERE, HOW TO GET A QUALITY PRODUCT ON THE BUDGET THAT THE COURT HAS ALREADY VOTED ON AND KEEP IT ON TIME.

THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT TODAY. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS, BUT FOR CLARITY, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT THE COURT HAS ALREADY SAID WE ARE GOING TO PROCEED AND TO STOP IT NOW IS GOING TO, QUITE FRANKLY, AS COMMISSIONER MAREZ SAYS, I WILL USE HIS ANALOGY. YOU ARE IN STEP FIVE ALREADY.

WE NEED TO GO FORWARD SO THAT THIS COUNTY DOESN'T LOSE OUT.

AND THAT IS THE WHOLE THING. BUT YOU STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DO ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. THIS AMENDMENT -- NOT AMENDMENT

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THERE ARE AGENDA ITEM IS JUST TO SAY, HEY, IS THIS THE BEST ONE FOR THIS PROJECT THAT YOU ALREADY APPROVED.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT WILL BE BETTER MONEY-WISE AND QUALITY WISE. SO I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO SUPPORT COMMISSIONER MAREZ'S PLEA.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I HAVE A COMMENT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE WITH YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST TO CHOOSE. YOU CAN HAVE OTHER DISCUSSIONS NEXT YEAR OF ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT TODAY IT IS ABOUT SAYING THIS IS THE TIME OF PROCUREMENT FOR THIS BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY APPROVED AND ALREADY IN STEP FIVE THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL CHASTE THE MOST ECONOMICAL ONE BECAUSE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THANK

YOU, JUDGE. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SEE IF IT IS FEASIBLE FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY.

AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA TO WAIT AND TALK TO THE CITY.

TALK TO THE PEOPLE. MY WHOLE THING HERE IS TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. FOR THE COURTHOUSE.

BECAUSE WE ARE ALWAYS SEEMING TO BE LOOKING FOR MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE ALWAYS SHORT ON MONEY. BUT IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT CAN SAVE US MONEY LIKE PARTNERING WITH THE CITY, I AM

FOLLOWING DO THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHICH CITY.

CORPUS CHRISTI OR ROBSTOWN. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: CORPUS

CHRISTI OR ROBSTOWN. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST SO YOU KNOW CORPUS CHRISTI IS FILLED TO THE BRIM.

THERE ARE NO PLACE TO TAKE CATS. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED LARGE ANIMALS, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. THIS FACILITY IS NOT MEANT FOR LARGE ANIMALS. THIS FACILITY IS MEANT FOR SMALL ANIMALS AND MEDIUM-SIZED ANIMALS BUT NOT MEANT FOR -- NOT DESIGNED FOR LARGE ANIMALS. I NEED FOR YOU TO CORRECT THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: JUDGE, IF YOU ARE SPENDING MONEY PLENTY OF SPACE IN THE SHOW BARN BUILDING AND MEANT FOR LARGE

ANIMALS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE SHOW BARN IS NOT A FACILITY WHERE ANIMALS CAN BE KEPT.

IT IS A COMPLETE -- WE HAVE ACTUALLY UPGRADED OUR SHOW BARN AND IT IS GREAT. AND WE HAVE, AS YOU REMEMBER, A PROGRAM WITH RISD. AND WE HAVE DONE ALL OF THOSE UPGRADES ALREADY. THIS IS AN ANIMAL CARE FACILITY.

THIS COURT ALREADY VOTED ON IT. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROJECT. THIS IS TO GET THE PROCUREMENT

RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YOU

MENTIONED LARGE ANIMALS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DIDN'T,

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YOU WERE REPEAT WHAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY SAID.

I WAS SAYING THE OUTSIDE OF THE OLD SHOW BARN HAS PLENTY OF ROOM WHERE WE CAN BUILD STALLS TO KEEP THOSE ANIMALS AND SEE HOW

WE CAN SAVE MONEY, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS A DISCONNECT. WANT TO SAY THIS FOR A LONG TIME. WE DON'T -- IN OUR ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL, UNLESS IT IS A DEAD HOG ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE DO NOT HOUSE LARGE ANIMALS IN OUR ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU.

THIS NEW FACILITY -- >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: HOW IS

IT WE DO IT BEFORE? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE COUNTY HAS RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THAT HAS BEEN THAT DEBATE BEFORE AND ALL I AM REFERENCING TOO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CONFUSION HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE COUNTY HAS LARGE RESPONSIBILITY AND ALL I WAS SAYING WAS TO BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO MEET WITH THE CITY BEFORE WE BUILD THIS FACILITY TO SEE WHAT, IF ANYTHING, THEY COULD TO AND WHAT WE CAN USE THIS EXISTING FACILITY UPGRADED FOR WITH RESPECT TO THE BIGGER PICTURE. IN REFERENCE TO THE LARGE COUNTY -- THE LARGE ANIMALS BROUGHT UP AND DEBATED BY THIS COURT BEFORE, I WAS JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM TRYING TO GET HIM TO UNDERSTAND -- IF YOU SAY IT, MAYBE HE WILL HEAR IT. WE DON'T DO BIG HORSES OR CATTLE

INSIDE OUR FACILITY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT IF

THEY ARE LOOSE OR STRAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUT WE HAVE --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITIES DON'T BECAUSE USUALLY NOT LARGE HORSES RUNNING AROUND THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI BUT IN THE

COUNTY. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOT WHAT THIS FACILITY DOES ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS CORRECT.

BUT NOT WHAT A THIS FACILITY FOR.

A GREAT NEED. WE ALREADY EX-PENDED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. THIS PROJECT IS -- ALMOST LIKE YOU ARE ABLE TO TIME TURN HERE. WE ALREADY HAD THIS DEBATE.

WE ALREADY VOTED FOR ONE TO GO FORWARD.

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. YOU VOTED TO GO FORWARD.

ALL WE ARE DOING IS KEEPING GOING FORWARD.

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>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHAT I AM HEARING -- WHAT I HEARD BACK THEN AND WHAT I AM HEARING NOW, I HAVE CHANGED MY OPINION TO WHERE WE DO NEED TO TRY TO PARTNER UP WITH THE CITY OR WHOEVER ELSE IS CLOSE TO DO THIS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW -- THE COUNTY USED TO PICK UP LARGE

ANIMALS, JUDGE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THEY STILL

DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S CORRECT.

WE DON'T HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT THAT.

WE ARE SAYING THIS FACILITY IS DESIGNED FOR DOGS AND CATS.

THAT IS WHERE THE TERRIBLE STATISTICS ARE.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALREADY EXPLORED WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE FOR OVER -- COMMISSIONER MAREZ, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT? THREE YEARS.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THREE YEARS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THREE YEARS. THE SHIP YOU WANT TO EMBARK ON IS POSSIBLE BUT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE FACILITY NEEDS TO BE BUILT. THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY GOING FORWARD. IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU WERE GOING TO STOP THIS NOW, YOU ARE GOING TO NOT JUST STOP THE PROGRESS OF THE ACTUAL -- BUT YOU JUST LITERALLY WASTED THREE YEARS OF TIME WHICH ALL HAVE A DOLLAR FIGURE TO IT.

PLUS ALL THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PUT FORTH.

IT IS LIKE SAYING WE ARE GOING TO STOP THE ADA PROJECT BECAUSE WE WANT TO RE-EXAMINE WHETHER OR NOT ADA IS A GOOD THING.

WE MADE THAT -- >> OR THE MENTAL PROJECT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY PROJECT. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE FOR IT.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE MENTAL PEOPLE -- THE PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO DO.

MENTAL ILLNESS. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, SIR -- WE ARE GETTING OFF. WE HAVE A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT

FOR THAT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I KNOW WE VOTED FOR.BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE VOTED WITH 4-2.

BUT -- I DIDN'T SEE. >>JUDGE CANALES: 4-1.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE BREAKDOWN WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. THAT WASN'T TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE

VOTED. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT WAS, SIR.

IT WAS. I KNOW YOU THINK THAT, BUT LET'S -- LET'S JUST VOTE -- LET ME JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING, EACH

AND EVERY TIME WE HAVE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DID NOT

VOTE FOR THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: DID YOU.

JUST SO YOU KNOW. YOU HAVE PROJECT MANAGEMENT ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT WE ARE DOING IN NUECES COUNTY THAT IS

OF SUBSTANCE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU MEAN PROGRAM. YOU SAILED PROJECT.

DO YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: I MEANT PROJECT. IF YOU ALLOW ME AND NOT INTERRUPT. PROJECT MANAGEMENT.

WHEN YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE PROJECT, IT BECOMES A PROGRAM.

WHEN WE EMBARKED ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WE DECIDED TO HAVE CERTAIN ARENAS. OUR COURT VOTED ON IT.

I KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO.

YOU ARE TRYING TO UNDO EVERYTHING THAT WE ALREADY DONE.

AND YOU DO SO AT THE PERIL OF THE TAXPAYER.

AND IT IS JUST NOT COOL. YOU CAN DO IT ALL DAY LONG AND YOU CAN CONTINUE TO MANIPULATE THIS COURT.

AND I ALSO FEEL SORRY FOR YOU COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE BEING IS BEING MANIPULATED.

AT THE END OF THE DAY -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU

WOULD KNOW MANIPULATION. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YOU THROW MONEY AROUND LIKE IT IS CANDY AND AS FAR AS PROJECT MANAGER, I HAD MY TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE OF YOUR PROJECT MANAGER FROM THE DOG PARK WHICH YOU GAVE $300,000 TO FOR DOING

NOTHING. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE WAY, WAY OFF BASE AND NOT ONLY MAKE NO SENSE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

PEOPLE GETTING MANIPULATED AND PEOPLE RESPOND -- AND YOU DON'T LIKE -- NO ONE IS MANIPULATING EVERYONE.

IT IS CALLED DEBATE. I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE TO DEBATE BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT YOUR WAY. THE REST OF US -- YOU CUT OFF COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ MIDWAY THROUGH HIS -- YOU SAY I INTERRUPTED BY ASKING A QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ CAN'T FINISH WITHOUT YOU -- YOU CHASTISE COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THIS IS DEBATE, IF THE COURT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS NOT

DEBATE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT AFTER WE GO TO PROCUREMENT AND SPEND ANOTHER GAZILLION DOLLARS.

IF THE COURT -- I AM WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT -- BUT NOT WITHOUT CONTINUING TO EXPRESS MY OPINION.

THAT IS NOT MANIPULATION. THAT IS DEBATE.

THERE IS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WE GET TO DEBATE IT.

YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT WE SAY AND YOU CALL IT OTHER THINGS AND USE WORDS LIKE "MANIPULATION," ETC. THAT IS OKAY.

YOU GET TO DO THAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE REST OF US GET TO HAVE OPINIONS WITHOUT BEING CRITICIZED -- YOU GET TO CRITICIZE US BECAUSE YOU DO IT REGULARLY.

I WILL DO NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY AND YOU CRITICIZE.

YOU CAN'T SAY TO COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ -- NOT EXPECT HIM TO GET MAD. YOU CAN'T CUT OFF COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AND EXPECT HIM NOT -- CHEST WE CAN CHANGE THIS AT ANY

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POINT. NOT A FARCE TO THE TAXPAYER.

A SAVING IF WE DON'T SPEND $4.2 MILLION AND SPEND $200.

A SAVINGS OF $4 MILLION. YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT A -- JUST BECAUSE IT IS FULLY FUNDED DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DO IT.

THEY MAY STILL LIKE IT BUT MAY NOT SPEND $4.2 MILLION.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND ANYTHING RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE TALK

TO THE CITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM IMPRESSING MY OPINION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER MAREZ, AIL CALL FOR THE VOTE TO MOVE ON. YOU CAN SEE THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE. AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL WORK DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO RECTIFY IT. A AND THE SITUATION IS, IS THAT THE COS THAT WE USE, TAIL, WERE 2015S. THEY DO NEED TO BE EXTENDED.

-- SORRY NOT 2015 -- IT WAS -- IT WAS -- IT WAS 2015S AND 2016S. AND THE FACT THAT WE COMMITTED THOSE FUNDS WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE BUT NEEDED.

AS YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE THREE YEARS.

AND IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE COMMITTED THOSE FUNDS.

IF YOU DID -- IF YOU DECOMMIT THOSE FUNDS, DALE, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE -- YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE

-- IN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALREADY

USED JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU. I AM ASKING DALE.

YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF AND COULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THE IRS.

AT ANY RATE, IT IS VERY CLEAR WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

AND TIME GOING TO LET -- AND THIS ONE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN GET AN AGENDA ITEM.

THAT IS DONE. WE VOTED ON THAT IN 2019.

JUST SO YOU KNOW. AIDEE.

MAYBE YOU CAN WORK WITH KARA CLEARLY BECAUSE THEY NEED TO GET REFRESHED ON HOW WE DID THIS THROUGH THE RFQ PROCESS.

AND THEN WE LITERALLY BROUGHT IT TO COURT AND CHOSE WHICH PROJECTS WERE GOING TO BE BENEFITED BY IT.

IT HAS BENEFITED BY IT. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE A PROJECT THAT WAS THIS AND MOVE IT DOWN TO THIS.

AND WE DID SO BASED ON DATA. REAL DATA.

THAT IS HOW REAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE DECISIONS. POLICY DECISION FROM DATA.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I REMEMBER THAT, JUDGE.

THAT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TELLS YOU NEED IT AND YOU ARE STOPPING FORWARD MOTION FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER THAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY WAS THE ONE VOTE AND TAKEN THE 4-1

VOTE AND REVERSED IT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I ALWAYS FELT WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN CHANGE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR THIS DESIGN TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION.

IT WILL TAKE A WHILE AND GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO PROCURE.

NOTHING TO DO WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, BRING IT FORWARD.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AM DOING IT FORWARD AND YOU DON'T

LIKE IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOTHING TO DO WITH LIKE IT. HAS EVERYTHING NOT BEING GERMANE. ALL YOU ARE VOTING ON HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PROCUREMENT IS X OR Y.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: X AND Y. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU SAID YOU LIKE DEBATE. YOU LOST THAT DEBATE.

NOT CHARITY. WE ALREADY VOTED ON HAD 4-1.

AND NOW YOU ARE UNDOING IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU WERE LISTENING TODAY, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ SAYING HE WAS CONCERNED OF THE PRICE. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ SAID HE WAS CONCERNED OF THE PRICE. MOVING AT A PROCUREMENT OF $4.2

MILLION. >>JUDGE CANALES: ONE AUTHORIZED BY THIS COURT, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT JUST MOVING FORWARD BUT AT 4.2

MILLION. >>JUDGE CANALES: DOING WHAT THIS

COURT HAS ALREADY DONE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL I AM SAYING. MOVING FORWARD AT $4.2 MILLION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NO KIDDING. WE VOTED ON IT.

AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR TAPE, YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT YOU SAID, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT YOU WORKED OUT WITH COMMISSIONER MAREZ FROM THIS DAIS THAT YOU SAID WAS APPROPRIATE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I TOLD HIM I WOULD SUPPORT IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU SAID IT WAS A NUMBER THAT YOU COULD LIVE

WITH. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU CAN THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO THINK. AND I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN, PROGRAM MANAGEMENT TO ME WASN'T PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

SO -- AND I AM -- I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PROGRAM MANAGEMENT BECAUSE WE JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE PROBLEM WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT

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AND I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN LIKE ALL THE OTHER TIME. BUT I AM SORRY, BUT I FEEL THAT W WAYFUL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WAIT FOR JANUARY TO HANDLE THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT THING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM ALSO GOES TO BRING THIS A LITTLE BIT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION JUST SO YOU KNOW, JENNY, BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS. ON THIS ITEM, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. HAS TO DO WITH PROCUREMENT.

NOTHING TO DO WITH PROGRAM MANAGEMENT AT ALL.

HAS TO DO WITH WHAT TYPE. YOU THINK FEEL ALL THE WAY YOU FEEL ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT IT IS JUST ABOUT THE TYPE.

A YES OR NO WHETHER YOU THINK THIS TYPE WILL GET YOU A BETTER PRICE FOR THE COUNTY. YES OR NO.

THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF USING THIS TYPE COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL FOR THIS SHELTER PLANNERS OF AMERICA DESIGN FOR THE ANIMAL CARE CENTER.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ANOTHER TYPE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YES, SIR, THE TYPE --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO PROCURE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CHESNEY -- COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN RECOGNIZED. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, LET ME ASK J.P. TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

HE ASKED A QUESTION. HELP HIM ANSWER IT WITHOUT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S INTERRUPTION.

I CAN CALL ON YOU NEXT SO YOU CAN INFLUENCE.

>> REPEAT YOUR QUESTION SO I CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT THING. A DIFFERENT KIND OF PROCUREMENT OR SOMETHING WE CAN GO TO OR WHAT?

>> THE FIRST METHOD IS A HARD BID.

A TRUE BID PROCESS RATHER THAN A QUALIFICATION-BASED SELECTION.

THE TWO METHODS APPLICABLE. WE ARE RECOMMENDING COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL BECAUSE OFFERS A BEST VARIETY TO THE COUNTY FROM A QUALITY DIDN'T, TIME MANAGEMENT DIDN'T, AND THE FACT THIS PROJECT HAS COMPLEXITIES THAT OTHER JOBS DON'T HAVE.

SO UNLIKE OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTY WHERE WE HAVE USED HARD BID, THIS IS AN APPLICATION WE BELIEVE THAT COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL IS THE BEST METHOD TO USE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU ARE ASKING TO GO OUT FOR BIDS WITH THIS, CORRECT. WHAT THIS AGENDA ITEM IS

FOR J.P. >> THAT IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT. THIS IS THE SELECTION OF THE MELT ODD THIS AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN MICHAEL'S LANE.

AND SELECTING THE METHOD AND THE ORDER FOLLOWS AND WHAT I AM

SCROLLING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FIRST ONE IS A PRESENTATION AND THE SECOND ONE SEND IT OUT FOR BIDS UNDER THE CONCEALED -- EXCUSE ME UNDER THE CSP PROCESS.

NOT JUST PICKING A PROCESS BUT GOING OUT FOR BIDS.

WHAT WE ARE DOING. >> UTILIZING THE METHOD OF COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL CHEST CHEST THIS IS ASKING TO GO OUT FOR BIDS UNDER THE CPS PROCESS. NUMBER FIVE.

>> THAT IS TRUE. >>JUDGE CANALES: TAKES TIME TO

RIGHT THE CSP. >> IT IS NOT WRITTEN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GETTING IT OUT FOR BID IS A LITTLE BIT OF A STRETCH. IT DOESN'T GO OUT FOR BID.

IT BASICALLY HAS TO BE WRITTEN UP FIRST, AND NORMALLY THAT PROCESS IS SEAMLESS, IF THE COURT WANTED TO COULD CHOOSE THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT, YOU CAN WRITE IT UP AND MAKE CHOICES WHEN THEY WANTED TO RELEASE IT. BUT THE IDEA IS THE AGENDA ITEM WAS SIMPLY JUST CHOOSE IF THIS IS THE BEST METHOD WHEN YOU GO

FOUGHT FOR CONSTRUCTION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU CAN CHOOSE FOR 4. 5, WE CAN SAY WE NEED TO HOLD

OFF ON 5. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 4 IS JUST THE PRESENTATION AND 5 IS WHAT WE ARE DOING GO OUT FOR BID NOT JUST CHOOSING A METHOD. YOU ARE STATING THIS INCORRECTLY. CHOOSING A -- MICHAEL DOESN'T BRING IT BACK US TO, RIGHT, MICHAEL, YOU GO FOR BIDS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I JUST SAID YOU COULD PAUSE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO WRITE IT UP FIRST. YOU CAN CHOOSE THE METHOD AND HOLD ON THE RELEASE. BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THESE BIDS, AND THE CONCEPT IS ARE YOU GOING TO, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE THIS GOOD METHOD OR NOT.

AND THE ANSWER IS, IS, YOU KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: JENNY, TOO LATE TO TABLE THIS?

MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS? >> I THINK THERE IS A --

>> 4 IS TO THE AN ACTION ITEM. NUMBER 5 IS THE ACTION ITEM AND

YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT YET. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 4 IS A

PRESENTATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO VOTE ON 4.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ARE YOU THROUGH WITH 4.

GO TO 5. >> I HAVE BEEN THROUGH WITH 4.

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NO UNDER STANDING OF THE CHOICES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, YOU MADE THE MOTION.

YOU MADE THE MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU GOT

US CONFUSED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GUESS

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. >>JUDGE CANALES: I GOT EVERYBODY CONFUSED, J.P. I APOLOGIZE TO YOU.

THEY ARE ALL CONFUSED. >> YOU WERE COMBINING FOUR AND

FIVE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT'S

WHAT WE SAID. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER MAREZ, I GUESS, HAD TO STEP OUT.

SO WE CAN -- WE CAN WAIT OR I WILL JUST TAKE THE VOTE AND HE CAN ADD TO THE VOTE IF IT IS -- WHERE I AM THINKING IT IS GOING, IT WON'T MATTER. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT.

ONLY BECAUSE IT IS HIS PROJECT. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, SINCE 4 IS JUST A PRESENTATION. WE WILL JUST SKIP OVER 5 UNTIL HE GETS BACK. OKAY.

I WILL JUST HAVE TO -- SUSPEND, I GUESS.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: IF YOU GO TO 5, I WILL TABLE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THERE I

IS? >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER MAREZ, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY FOR SAYING AYE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT A AM I VOTING FOR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE PROCUREMENT TO CHOOSE THE CONSTRUCTION

PERMIT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND GO OUT FOR BID. NO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, I AM AN AYE.

THERE IS A NO. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NO. I WANT TO BRING IT BACK JANUARY

18. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MAKE A

MOTION TO TABLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO MOTION AT THIS SECOND. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, YOU ARE A NO. COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: AYE. >>JUDGE CANALES: AYE.

IS THERE A NEW MOTION ON THIS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I MAKE A MOTION WE BRING THIS BACK JANUARY 18.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL TO HE WAS IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON. JP.

A LOT MORE HERE FOR YOU TO DO. I AM TRYING TO ORGANIZE OUR

TIME. >> DO YOU NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO EXTEND THE MEETING BECAUSE SUPPOSED TO END AT NOON.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL TAKE VOTE.

SEE WHAT THE QUICK ONES. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: GONZALEZ MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND TO 1:00.

[1. Discuss and consider reclassifying Chief Executive to the County Judge/Public Information Officer position from a Pay Group 38 to a Pay Group 36 effective January 1, 2023.]

IS THERE A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME CALL SOME -- HOLD ON JP. I WILL CALL COME AND GET THINGS GOING THAT ARE IMPORTANT AND EASY.

THEY ARE UNDER HUMAN RESOURCES, C-1 AND 2.

DISCUSS AND RECONSIDER THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE COUNTY JUDGE PUBLIC PAY 34 TO 36. AND SECOND ONE ALSO RELATES TO ADVERTISING THE POSITION TO THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE COUNTY JUDGE AND DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPROVAL THE ADVERTISING FOR THE TIN COMING JUDGE-ELECT NEW COUNTY JUDGE CONNIE SCOTT.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THESE ARE HER WISHES.

OTHER THAN ON ITEM NUMBER 1, THERE WAS -- YOU WERE GOING TO VISIT WITH HER AIDEE IF THE JOB DESCRIPTION FOR PRESIDENT PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER INCLUDED EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

UNDERSTANDING IT DID NOT. SO MIGHT -- WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS TODAY, BUT MAY HAVE TO COME BACK.

SHE THOUGHT IT INCLUDED IT. I TOLD HER IT DID NOT.

YOU WERE GOING TO GET HER THE BACK-UP DOCUMENTATION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IN ALL FAIRNESS OF TIME, I WOULD LIKE

TO TABLE NUMBER 7. >>JUDGE CANALES: I NEED TO GET A

VOTE FIRST -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: OH, I

AM SORRY. >>JUDGE CANALES:C-1, TO RECLASSIFY THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE. THE CURRENT POSITION MELD BY

MAGGIE TURNER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO

MOVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: SECOND.

I WANT IT ON THE RECORD SHE EXPRESSLY TOLD ME IF IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PIO -- IF THE CURRENT PIO DID NOT COVER T THE EI-PIO, THEY MAY WANT TO

[2. Discuss and consider approval of advertising the position of the Chief Executive to County Judge/PIO; discuss and consider approval of advertising the position of Executive Secretary for the incoming County Judge, Connie Scott.]

REVISIT THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

THE SECOND ONE IS THE POSITION THAT IS THE ADVERTISING OFFED POSITION OF EXECUTIVE SECRETARY. THIS IS SOMETHING AS PART OF

PROTOCOL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO

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MOVED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU NEED TO REMOVE THE PIO NEXT TO THE JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I CANNOT DO THAT -- I HAVE ALREADY INFORMED

HER AND SHE WAS TOLD THAT -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT THAT IS WHY WE PUT IT ON.

>>JUDGE CANALES:00ON ITEM NUMBER 1?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 2. ADVERTISE THE POSITION OF CHIEF

EXECUTIVE/ PIO. >>JUDGE CANALES: REMOVE PIO IN THE SECOND. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT IN THE FIRST. BECAUSE THE FIRST ONE, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW IT IS. AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ADVERTISING PIECES, RIGHT, FOR THE TWO POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE. NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN

FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AS

AMENDED WITH THE PIO. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO YOU KNOW, THESE WILL BE ADVERTISED AND HOPEFULLY PLACED IN THE NEW

[1. Discuss and consider approval of Change Order No. 2 for the Nueces County Roadway Rehabilitation Projects County Road 67, County Road 69, County Road 77 & Bauer Road.]

YEAR. IN AN EFFORT TO GET TO ITEM -- I AM ALSO GOING TO CALL ANOTHER ONE WE CAN DO QUICKLY IS PUBLIC WORKS. JUAN, CHANGE ORDER FOR ALL THESE COUNTY ROADS. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD TAKE LONG. THEY ARE APPROVING FOR COUNTY

ROAD 67, 69, 67 AND OUR CDBG. >> A QUICK CLEANUP SON PAPERWORK. DEDUCTION OF $2,000.

AND PUBLIC WORKS WITH RECOMMENDING THE CHANGE ORDER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. EXCUSE ME, I WILL CALL ON YOU

WHEN I AM READY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU

DID. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE WAY IT

WORKS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: GOOD

WHEN. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, YOU HAVE FOUR YEARS TO DO ALL THE INTERRUPTING YOU

WANT, BUT FOR NOW -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:

PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO. >>JUDGE CANALES: HOW WONDERFUL -- HOW WONDERFUL FOR THE COURT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE I AM -- I HAVE TO RECOGNIZE YOU.

THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS, SIR. I AM SORRY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHY AM I HERE.

[1. Approve Budget Change Order No. 04 for Fiscal Year 2022-2023.]

>>JUDGE CANALES: BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS. I HAVE TO RECOGNIZE YOU.

I AM WORKING ON D-1, THE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, ITEM D-1 AND D-2.

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO GET DONE. TELL US OF NUMBER 4.

>> BUDGET CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 4, THREE DEPARTMENTS REQUESTING FUNDS. THE LARGEST ONE FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE. ROAD AND BRIDGE NEEDS INCREASE FOR SOME -- FOR SOME JANITORIAL SERVICES WHEN WE DID THE LAST CONTRACT. WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET.

IT WAS CLEAR WE DIDN'T INCLUDE LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ROAD A BRIDGE AND ADDS 40,000 INCREASE. FUNDS ARE NEEDED FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THEY HAD VACANCIES IN THEIR OFFICE AND NEEDED TEMPORARY FUNDS AND FOR THE COUNTY CLERK, OVERTIME DUE TO THE LAST ELECTION SERVICES.

HAPPENS EVERY TWO YEARS AND HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN TEMPORARY SERVICE TO COVER THE COST. REQUEST FOR THE DEPARTMENTS SUBMITTED AND. FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE AND

APPROVAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION

APPROVE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO

MOVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DALE. HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY

[2. Approve Capital Project Budget Change Order No. 114]

AYE. AND HOW ABOUT THE PROJECT CHANGE

ORDER NUMBER # 14. >> YOUR HONOR, YOU APPROVED THE CONTRACT FOR WORK DAY. THERE ARE SOME OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT COST. WE -- AS YOU ALL KNOW WE WENT UP FOR A PROPOSAL FOR A PFCO FUNDAMENTAL KATE $2.4 MILLION FOR THAT SIDE OF IT. WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAD THE FUNDS RECEIVED, TOLD THAT SOME OF THE COST FOR THE OPERATION WORK DAY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BE FUNDED THROUGH THIS.

AND WE ARE GOING TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION TO ALLOW SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO BE PAID THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR FUNDING SOURCE. SO YOU WILL SEE WE WILL ALLOCATE $300,000 FOR PUBLIC WORKS AT THIS TIME.

THAT WAY WE CAN STILL FUND THE FUNDS WE NEED TO FOR WORKDAY THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND AND BY THE TRANSFER -- TRANSFER TO 120.

A THE THIS TIME SUBMITTING THE REQUEST FOR THE 2022 SERIES FOR $2.4 MILLION TO MOVE OUR SOFTWARE FORWARD AS WELL AS BUY EQUIPMENT FOR PUBLIC WORKS. ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU

MIGHT HAVE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO

MOVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WON'T LIE, IF ANYBODY UNDER STOOD ALL OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY IMPRESSIVE.

I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF FAITH GOING ON.

I BELIEVE WHAT YOU MEANT TO SAY THIS IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO PRODUCE THE DOLLARS NEEDED FISCALLY AND RESPONSIBLY TO

PURCHASE WORK DAY. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I LIKE THAT ONE.

I WILL DO A SECOND ON THAT. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY

[15. Discuss and consider County Game Room Policy with updates regarding process for application, and related matters.]

BY SAYING AYE. NOW I GOT AUDITOR AND ALL THOSE DONE. LET ME ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE THIS WILL TAKE US POTENTIALLY INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

DO WE NEED THE COUNTY GAME ROOM NEXT EXECUTIVE? THAT IS NUMBER 15? IS IT --

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>> I DON'T THINK SO UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IS IT READY TO GO?

>> IT IS READY TO GO. I ANTICIPATE AS WE GET STARTED WE WILL FIND PROBLEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEN YOU ADDRESS THEM.

RIGHT. JUST AS A MATTER OF INTEREST.

I JUST GOT AN E-MAIL THAT WAS INTERESTING ON THE LIST SERVE.

IT SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. IT WAS -- IT WAS TO -- MY GOODNESS. JIM ALISON -- ALMOST SAID DOUG ALISON -- TO JIM ALISON AND BASICALLY SAID JIM, WILL YOU LOOK OVER OUR REGULAR LAKESES. HE SAID I WILL.

THERE ARE STANDARDS OUT THERE THAT A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE USING. HE SAID BUT BASICALLY YOU WILL FIND OUT ALMOST WHEN YOU FIND OUT, SO TO SPEAK THAT THERE ARE SOME PITFALLS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT DILIGENTLY.

IF YOU THINK HER READY -- DO THEY -- MAY I ASK SORT OF THE BROAD QUESTION TO COVER US. DID THEY COMFORT WITH ALL THAT

THE COURT DIRECTED? >> YES, I BELIEVE SO.

THERE WERE SOME CHANGES WITH THE NEW WORK -- GAME ROOM ADMINISTRATOR. SOME CHANGES THERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IF THEY ALL COMFORT WITH EVERYTHING WE ARE

DOING. >> HOURS OF OPERATION.

DOESN'T MAKE GAMBLING LEGAL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ABSOLUTELY. DO YOU BELIEVE -- IS IT IMPORTANT -- TIMING. IMPORTANT TO IMPROVE THEM TODAY? WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUNT THEM TO NEXT YEAR.

THEY ARE IMPORTANT. TELL US ABOUT THAT.

>> IT IS IMPORTANT. WHEN THE COURT VOTED I BELIEVE IN MAY. MAY OF THIS YEAR, IT WAS ANNOUNCED -- AT SOME POINT IT WAS ANNOUNCED LATER ON THAT THE GAME ROOM REGULATIONS WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT.

LET THE AUDIENCE AND THE COURT KNOW.

COMFORT WITH OUR DIRECTIVE AND FINALIZATIONS.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE SUCH POLICIES?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: A SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: QUESTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OF COURSE. GO AHEAD.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SO WE HAD A BIG WORKING GROUP.

WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED WHEN WE FIRST STARTED OFF ON THIS ISSUE. I WAS THE ONE THAT ASKED TO HAVE THIS AFTER HOURS BECAUSE WE KNEW A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE WORKING AND WANTED A BIG TURN OUT AND WE HA THAT ON THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS ISSUE WHAT OTHER -- WHAT OTHER TIMES HAVE WE BROUGHT IN ANY OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. WAS IT EXCLUSIVE TO YOU AND YOUR

STAFF TO WORK ON IT? >> I BELIEVE EARLY ON DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, PEOPLE WERE COMING INTO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND HAVING MEET WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I BELIEVE THOSE PEOPLE WERE THEN ENCOURAGED TO COME TO OUR OFFICE.

SOME PEOPLE CALLED. NEVER CAME IN.

SOME PEOPLE CAME IN MULTIPLE TIMES.

WE LISTEN TO EVERYBODY AND DEALT WITH PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTOOD IT WAS MAKING GAMBLING LEGAL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OR NUECES COUNTY.

WE ALWAYS TRY TO CONVEY THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ATTEMPTED TO DO OR COULD IT DO.

AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO DEALT, INTERACTED WITH PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THE BINGO ROOM COMMUNITY MAKING SURE EVERYBODY HAS BEEN HEARD AND PUT TOGETHER THE POLICY IN CONJUNCTION WITH

THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, COMMISSIONER. HOW DO YOU FEEL.

READY TO GO? YOU ARE GOOD? THANK YOU. AND OF COURSE ONCE YOU GET A RESULT FROM THIS COURT, YOU WILL PUBLISH IT AND IT WILL BE IN OUR WEB SITE FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.

OKAY. IN THIS CASE IF THE COUNTY GAME ROOM POLICIES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

ANYTHING ANY PHI BY SAYING EYE. >>JUDGE CANALES: A CLEANUP.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE JOB EXPERIENCE WAS REQUESTED TO CHANGE THE WORD AND. TO OR, OR A MINIMUM OF TEN YEARS OF INCREASINGLY SO ON EDUCATION EXPERIENCE.

I WOULD WOULD JUST AMEND. >>JUDGE CANALES: NUMBER TWO, IF

JOB DESCRIPTION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NUMBER

ONE. >>JUDGE CANALES: JOB DESCRIPTION

IS INSIDE NUMBER TWO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NUMBER T TWO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S DO NUMBER TWO.

I WILL TAKE AMENDMENT AS -- ON THE JOB DESCRIPTION TO BE POSTED AND HAS TO DO WITH THE AA AM AMOUNT TO THE JOB DESCRIPTION

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ITSELF IF. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT AND A MINIMUM OF TEN YEARS TO OR A MINIMUM OF TEN YEARS.

OR INSTEAD OF AND. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WAS

THE MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WAS THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: A SECOND BY GONZALEZ. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL TO HE WAS IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OKAY. AND -- ALL RIGHT.

NOW WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS -- THERE ARE SOME OTHER ONES THAT ARE SUPER IMPORTANT FOR TIME. AND LOUIE, I AM GOING TO CALL ON YOU. THEY ARE RELATED, 12, 13 AND 14 ARE ALL RELATED AND THEY BASICALLY -- NOT ALL RELATED BUT RELATED TO YOUR DEPARTMENT AND TO EMERGENCY SERVICES.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 13 AND 14.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

I ONLY CALLED NUMBER 12 -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION

TO PASS 12. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME HAER FROM YOU KAARA.

>> THE GAME ROOM REGULATIONS. WE DID NOT GET A COPY OF THE REGULATIONS YOU NEED TO SIGN. SO JENNY, WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA -- BUT WE USUALLY GET AN ORIGINAL FROM THE OFFICE.

>> WE WILL HAVE THREE COPIES DELIVERED OF.

[12. Discuss and consider interlocal agreement with the City of Robstown to provide Fire and Emergency Rescue Services to citizens of Nueces County living in unincorporated areas not within the jurisdiction of an Emergency Service District or area not within the boundaries of any other city entities for FY 22/23.]

>> THE JUDGE NEEDS TO SIGN THEM. THAT'S IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. ON ITEM NUMBER 12, AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH CITY OF ROBSTOWN. ALREADY A MOTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE IT FOR THE CLERK, AND BASICALLY NOT LIVING -- THEY ARE LIVING IN NUECES BUT THEY ARE IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS AND NOT IN THE JURISDICTION OF ESDS OR NOT IN ANY CITY BOUNDARIES. AND SO THIS IS ALL IN ORDER.

LOUIE, YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH JENNY.

>> ON THIS JUDGE OAR I -- ON TH ONE, JUDGE, I HAVE NOT AND I KNOW THE NEED OF FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES FOR THE BOARD

OF ROBSTOWN. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT HAS NOT BEEN LOOKED AT BY JENNY.

MAYBE I DIDN'T SAY IT. IS IT READY FROM THE COUNTY

ATTORNEY? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT

READY, JENNY. >> THE DOCUMENT IS LEGALLY SUFFICIENT AND I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU

LOOKED AT IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS ONE HAS.

MOTION AND WAS THERE IS A SECOND? I THINK THERE WAS ALREADY, KARA. I WILL LET YOU DO YOUR TABLE.

BUT PLEASE LISTEN JUST FOR A MO

MOMENT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DID WE

VOTE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DID.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[13. Discuss and consider approval of Interlocal Agreements related to participation in the Nueces County Hazard Mitigation Action Plan as follows: a. Nueces County Drainage District No. 2 b. Nueces County Drainage District No. 3 c. Nueces County Water Control & Improvement District No. 4]

ON ITEM 13, THESE FOLKS ARE PAYING THEIR OWN WAY.

AND WE ARE ON A TIME SITUATION FOR HAZARD MITIGATION ACTION PLAN. PLEASE ALLOW LOUIE, BEFORE YOU TABLE, ALLOW HIM TO AT LEAST LET YOU NO HE THIS ISN'T COSTING YOU ANY DOLLARS. THIS IS NEEDED SO THAT THE PLAN IS SUFFICIENT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO FOR THE STATE, THIS IS NOT COSTING US DOLLARS.

LOUIE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY WATER CONTROL DISTRICT NUMBER 4 HAS A -- HAS A MITIGATION GRANT ON THE TABLE TO TABLE THEY NEED TO BE PART OF THE COUNTY'S H-MAP TO EXERCISE.

THE REASON THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD THEY ARE NORTH A PART OF THE COUNTY HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.

IF WE TABLE THIS -- WE ALREADY ASKED FOR ONE EXTENSION.

WE MAY NOT GET ANOTHER ONE. I AM ASKING THAT WE TAKE THIS ON THE UNDER ADVISEMENT BEFORE WE TABLE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH, THIS ONE IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.

ALL THE IIJA GRANTS, ALL THE FEMA GRANTS, EVERYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH MITIGATION SO THE AREAS THAT YOU REPRESENT HAVE A CHANCE TO GET FEDERAL FUNDS DO GOOD THINGS HAVE TO BE IN

THE H-MAP PLAN. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: FUNDS FOR ENGINEERING ALSO INCLUDED IN THOSE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YES, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR.

THE H-MAP GETS PRODUCED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: $22,770. WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DISTRICT 2, 3 AND 4.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT, JUDGE. THE WATER DISTRICTS -- JURISDICTIONS INTO THE H-MAP WILL PAY THEIR OWN WAY TO IT.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN THIS IS A CHARGE.

NUECES ACTS ON BEHALF. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IF THEY ARE PAYING THEIR OWN WAY, I SO MOVE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ON ITEM 13. THANK YOU, KARA.

[14. Discuss and consider approval of Supplement No. 1 to Agreement with Lockwood, Andrews & Newnam, Inc. (LAN) for Consulting Services for the Hazard Mitigation Action Plan (HMAP) related to addition of local jurisdictions in the HMAP.]

AYE. PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MOVE TO TABLE 13.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NUMBER 14 IS A COMPANION TO NUMBER 13.

THEY ARE DOING THE H-MAP. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR. TWO, THREE AND FOUR, THEY ARE

PAYING FOR IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE ARE NOT PAYING FOR THAT. THE DISTRICTS ARE PAYING FOR

THAT, JUDGE? >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S CORRECT.

DISTRICTS 2, 3 AND 4 ARE PAYING THEIR WAY.

SO THE PLAN IS COMPLETE. NUMBER 14 SAYS WE WILL AMEND THEIR AGREEMENT TO INCLUDE THEM. AND THEY ARE PAYING TO PAYING FOR THAT INCLUSION FOR THE WORK BEING DONE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NUMBER 4, NOT WITHSTANDING ANY COST WILL BE 162 UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY SUBSEQUENT AGREEMENT.

IS IT INCREASING THE AMOUNT BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED PAY BY

THE ENTITIES? >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO

ADDITIONAL COST. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO ADDITIONAL

COST. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO ADDITIONAL COST TO NUECES COUNTY.

THIS IS JUST AMENDING THE LAND AGREEMENT ALREADY IN PLACE THAT WE ALREADY APPROVED AND PAID FOR.

AND WE ARE ADDING THIS IN, BUT WE ARE NOT -- IT IS NOT COSTING

US ANY MORE MONEY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S CORRECT.

WHAT TWO, THREE AND FOUR ARE PAYING INTO.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST COCHLEAR FAY OCCASION. IS THAT RIGHT, JENNY?

>> THAT IS RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE GLO TO FUND THIS PROJECT FOR US.

WE ARE CLOSE TO KIND OF FINALIZING THAT AS WELL.

SO IT MIGHT NOT COST THE COUNTY ANY MONEY AT ALL --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MAY NOT OR NOT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HOLD ON, LOUIE, THIS GETS CONFUSING, LET'S STICK TO TWO, THREE AND FOUR AND GO BACK TO THE GLO.

ON TWO, THREE AND FOUR. THEY ARE PAYING THEIR WAY.

>> EXACTLY, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: LOUIE IS TALKING ABOUT OUR PORTION. WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT INITIALLY FROM FEMA. DIDN'T GET IT.

THEN THE GLO SAID HEY, APPLY FROM US.

WE HAVE EXTRA FUNDS. THAT IS WHAT LOUIE IS SAYING, THE EVERYONE WE ALREADY VOTED ON WE MAY GET BACK.

THAT -- WE ARE CLOSE TO HEARING FROM THEM.

THEY TYPICALLY TELL US LIKE IN DECEMBER -- SHOULD BE ANY DAY NOW AND THEY WILL TELL US WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO GET OUR MONEY BACK FROM NUECES COUNTY.

BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MONEY WE ALREADY SPENT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT. WE MAY GET MONEY BACK THAT WE ALREADY SPENT. THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND AGAIN, 13 AND 14, JENNY, ALL LEGALLY SUFFICIENT. NO ISSUES OF ANY OF THIS FROM A

LEGAL DIDN'T. >> CORRECT.

EACH COUNTY -- EACH DISTRICT WILL FAY 22770 TO COVER THE

ADDITIONAL 68310. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. THEREFORE FOR KARA, ITEM NUMBER 14 HE THINKS I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT DISTRICT TWO, THREE AND FOUR ARE INCLUDED IN HAZARD

MITIGATION PLAN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. I WILL GO BACK -- ME LYNN SADA IS H-- MELINDA IS BACK A LIL QUICK HOUSEKEEPING.

MELINDA YOU WERE COMING BACK FOR ITEM E REMEMBER FOR COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. GO AHEAD.

WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT. >> THE TWO ARPA POSITIONS FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER WERE APPROVED IN BUDGET FOR THIS

YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH

ONE ARE WE GOING TO. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ WANTED MELINDA TO FIND OUT IF THE ARPA WAS APPROVED FOR THE TWO INVESTIGATORS AND SAID IT WAS APPROVED FOR THE BUDGET,

THOSE TWO INVESTIGATORS. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: A #-2 VOTE. I THAT NOW.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE INVESTIGATORS.

>> SOLIS, IT WASN'T A TYPO. SHE WAS PART-TIME MEDICAL EXAMINER -- MEDICAL EXAMINER INVESTIGATOR THAT WAS PROMOTED TO A FULL-TIME. SO THE PAY GROUPS ARE CORRECT.

IT IS JUST 29 HOURS A WEEK VERSUS NOW 40 HOURS A WEEK.

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>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION THEN FOR YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO MOVED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. OKAY.

FOOD. NOW I AM GOING -- LOUIE, I AM GOING TO BRING YOU BACK UP. BUT HOLD ON SOME THINGS AND GET THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO FULFILL OUR NEED TO

[11. Discuss and consider approval of BuyBoard Contract No. 597-19 purchase with ROMCO Equipment Co for continued rental of standby generators for the Nueces County Court House/Jail and McKinzie Jail Annex.]

MAKE SURE WE HAVE TEMPORARY GENERATORS.

I NEED FOR TO YOU ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER 11 AND ALSO MICHAEL IS HERE AS WELL. BUT THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF THE ROMCO EQUIPMENT FOR A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME FOR STANDBY

-- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WILL

MOVE TO TABLE 11. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL ASK THAT YOU PLEASE LET LOUIE FINISH JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DON'T WITH A TO -- WE WILL NOT HAVE

GENERATORS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE GOT GENERATORS. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOING A GOOD

JOB. >>JUDGE CANALES: I FEEL LIKE I AM HAVING CONTRACTION TRACTIONS HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER.

BUT I AM TABLING NUMBER 11, WHETHER I LOSE OR NOT.

I DON'T CARE. TABLE 11 UNTIL JANUARY 18.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE PUTTING THIS COUNTY AT RISK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS NOT PRESIDENT BOILERS, IT IS THE GENERATORS. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING.

YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. IT IS CALLED -- THIS IS -- THIS IS COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE. PLEASE ALLOW LOUIE TO EXPLAIN BEFORE YOU TABLE. I WILL HEAR YOUR TABLE.

PLEASE LET HIM SO THIS COUNTY IS NOT AT RISK.

WE HAD A WINTER STORM THAT WAS UNEXPECTED.

CHIEF COOK, I AM ASKING FOR SOME CONCEPT OF PLEASE CALL SHERIFF HOOPER. WE WILL NOT MEET JAIL STANDARDS

IF WE DO NOT HAVE GENERATORS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE

GENERATORS JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY ARE NOT

OPERABLE RIGHT NOW. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: GENERATORS -- BRAND-NEW GENERATORS THEY CANNOT FIX.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE WRONG OF THAT.

YOU ARE CONFUSING EQUIPMENT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: RENTING

OLD GENERATORS JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FILLING -- NOTHING WRONG WITH GENERATORS.

THEY ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT OUT IN AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE PROBLEM WITH THE GENERATESERS.

THE ISSUE YOU ARE THINKING OF IS SOME OTHER EQUIPMENT.

GENERATORS WILL BE COMPLETE VERY SOON.

BUT UNTIL WE GET THE CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR JAIL, IN PARTICULAR, ALWAYS HAVE HAVE GENERATORS. BECAUSE OF THE DANGER THAT EXISTS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THEM AND THEN YOU HAVE 1,000 INMATES THAT YOU HAVE TO MOVE AT AN UNBELIEVABLE COST TO THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING GENERATORS, TEMPORARY ONES UNTIL THE ONES

CAN BE INSTALLED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE BEFORE I MAKE THE DECISION ON THE DECISION TO TABLE.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION. ONE.

CAN YOU PLEASE COME. I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE I DECIDE WHAT I AM GOING TO DO ON THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE DEBATE, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO WE HAVE GENERATORS THAT ARE FUNKING.

>> WE HAVE GENERATORS FUNCTIONING FOR THE JAIL, THE COURTHOUSE AND EOC AND OTHER SMALL AREAS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TELL US WHY WE HAVE BACK-UP.

THESE BACK UPS TO THE BACK UPS. >> THESE ARE BACK-UP TO THE NEW SYSTEM THAT WAS INSTALLED WITH THE -- WITH THE THAT THEY ARE INSTALLING RIGHT NOW. THAT WAS CALLED A SUMMER JOB.

WAS THAT CORRECT, JUDGE? PART OF THE SUMMER JOB.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF WE HAVE A STORM, WE HAVE GENERATORS. THAT IS ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW.

>>JUDGE CANALES: EXCUSE ME, I FEEL --

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: HOW FAR BACK ARE THEY?

>> I THINK THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DONE BY DECEMBER.

>> FEBRUARY. >> CONSTRUCTION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN FEBRUARY BUT THE ACTUAL GENERATOR FOR THE GROUND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE HERE IN DECEMBER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

WE -- SINCE WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS.

WE HAVE. THERE IS MISLEADING INFORMATION.

JP, ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BACK-UP GENERATOR.

>> THE BACK-UP GENERATOR SYSTEM DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FULL 100% REDUNDANCY. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SYSTEM CURRENTLY IN PLACE THAT I CALL SPOT POWER TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE BUILDING. IN GENERATOR SYSTEM HAS 100% REDUNDANCY. THEY ARE PURCHASED AND WAITING FOR DELIVERY. AND THAT WORK IS TO WRAP UP IN

FEBRUARY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT ON BACK-UP GENERATOR TO DATE.

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>> I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE SPENT SO FAR?

>> THE LAST TIME LOOKED COMMISSIONER MONITORING

$800,000. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MUCH? IF YOU ARE SAYING J, WHEN WE HAVE A STORM -- ARE YOU CONTRADICTING.

>> I THINK WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING DIFFERENTLY.

A GENERATORS THAT APPLY THE PORTION BUILDING, NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING, 100% REDUNDANCY. WHAT THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN ENGINEERED, PURCHASED AND CONSTRUCTED IS DESIGN TO

PROVIDE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE WINTER

STORM -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF WE HAVE A STORM AND SOMETHING GOING DOWN WHEN AND IF WE HAVE A STORM, DO WE HAVE GENERATORS THAT WILL SUPPLY SUFFICIENT POWER TO THE JAILS? THAT IS THE MAIN FUNCTION, I WILL ASK THAT -- SUFFICIENT RECEIPTS NOW TO BACK UP THE

JAIL. >> POWER TO THE JAIL.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RIGHT NOW WE HAVE GENERATORS THAT IF -- GOD FORBID A HORRIBLE STORM COMES, THOSE GENERATORS WILL

SUPPLY. >> A PORTION OF THE JAIL WILL BE

SUPPLIED WITH POWER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT

PORTION OF THE JAIL. >> DESIGNED TO KEEP THE CELLS LOCKED. STEP NUMBER ONE AND PROVIDE LITTLE BIT OF LIGHTING AND SECURITY FUNCTION THROUGHOUT THE JAIL. THE SYSTEM WE DESIGNED UNDER

CONSTRUCTION -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT THE

BACK-UP. >> A FULL BACK-UP SYSTEM, 100%

REDUNDANCY. >> TO SAYS IT COMING, IT IS

HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ROMCO --

>> ALL THAT IS THE EXTENSION OF THE PORTABLE GENERATORS UNTIL

THE PERMANENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE INSURANCE WE HAVE. JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY -- FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO REMEMBER WINTER STOERM.

IT WAS 30 DEGREES INSIDE THIS BUILDING.

THERE WAS NO POWER. BE COULD NOT FUNCTION.

THERE WAS NO POWER HERE IN THIS BUILDING SUFFICIENT TO RUN THIS BUILDING. AND THERE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT POWER TO RUN THE JAIL EXCEPT FOR, AS YOU SAID, WHAT WE CALL THE EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCES.

LIKE THE LIGHTEST -- WE COULD NOT FUNCTION EOC HERE IN THIS COURTHOUSE. WE COULDN'T.

THAT IS WHY WE MOVED TO TOWER TWO.

WE COULD NOT -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL BE HONEST, I AM NOT SUPER WORRIED ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE.

I AM ASKING ABOUT THE JAILS. I ASKED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE JAILS AND HE IS TELLING ME WE HAVE GENERATORS.

JUAN IS TELLING ME GENERATORS TO KEEP IT OPEN.

THAT MATTERS ME THE MOST. AND IT ON IT TO SPEND HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR THE BACK-UP GENERATORS.

800,000. MAYBE A MILLION DOLLARS.

WHAT DOES THIS COST YOU, $1D00,000.

>> RUN 80,000 A MONTH. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE AIR IS CLEAR RECORDING THE PURPOSE OF THE GENERATORS JUAN IS TALKING ABOUT VERSUS THE GENERATORS ALREADY PURCHASED SITTING IN A WAREHOUSE IN HOUSTON AND BEING CONSTRUCTED

RIGHT NOW. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT THE BACK-UP. THE AGENDA ITEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: EXTEND IT FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THROUGH WE WILL FINISH THESE GENERATORS IN FEBRUARY.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS COURT LITERALLY JUST APPROVED, I THINK -- WAS IT OCTOBER, MICHAEL, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, WE LITERALLY JUST HIRED THE CONSTRUCTION FOLKS TO DO THIS PROJECT IN THE FALL. I MEAN I DON'T THINK IT WAS TOO LONG AGO. SO THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT THIS BEING NOT ON TIME. THEY JUST STARTED THE JOB IN

OCTOBER -- MAYBE SEPTEMBER 22. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I CALL

THE QUESTION, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: SEPTEMBER 22.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TAKE A VOTE.

TAKE A VOTE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS UNTIL JANUARY 4.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE 18TH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL ASK THAT YOU --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HE ALREADY MADE IT.

>> HE SAID THE 18TH. >>JUDGE CANALES: BOY.

I DON'T CARE IF I GET THREE VOTES OR NOT.

I AM GOING TO CALL FOR AN EMERGENCY MEETING AND CALL TETUM AND CALL JAIL STANDARDS AND ASK ALL OF THEM TO COME IN HERE.

UNBELIEVABLE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST

TAKE THE VOTE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS TERRIBLE DECISION, SAY AYE.

[8. Discuss and consider agreement(s) with the following related to a School Safety Technology Project: a. Banquete Independent School District b. Bishop Independent School District c. Driscoll Independent School District d. West Oso Independent School District]

>>JUDGE CANALES: NO. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: NO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HELP US THROUGH ITEM -- YOU CAN, BUT REALLY I AM GOING TO DEFER TO JENNY BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THIS IS -- IS

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BOTH YOU AND HER BUT THE SCHOOL SAFETY TECHNOLOGY PROJECT.

AND SOME OF IT IS -- IS JUST ALSO TIME SENSITIVE THAT THE PRODUCTS CAN GET TO THE SCHOOL BY THE SECOND -- YOU KNOW WHEN THEY COME BACK TO SCHOOL IN JANUARY.

WHICH ONES ARE READY, JENNY? WHICH ONES NEED TO BE SUBJECT TO OR EASY FOR TO YOU SAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SCHOOL SAFETY TECHNOLOGY PROJECT AGREEMENTS WITH THE FOLLOWING SCHOOL DISTRICTS, KWAN YET TEE, AND THAT YOU USE THE REST OF THE YEAR TO FINISH IT AND GET IT TO THE SCHOOLS BY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

>> B, BISHOP, WE STILL NEED A NUMBER FROM THEM TO FILL INTO THE DOCUMENTS. EVERYTHING ELSE IS READY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. SO HOW BY JUST SAY APPROVAL SUBJECT TO YOU FINISHING THE AGREEMENT WITH BISHOP.

THAT BETTER? >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL SECOND BUT I JUST HAVE

DISCUSSION. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT, READY TO GO. READY FOR YOUR DISCUSSION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JENNY, I THINK WHEN I CALLED YOU ON THESE. I HAVE SIMILAR ONES THAT I WILL BRING AT SOME POINT AND I WILL DO IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

YOU SAID YOU NEEDED MORE TIME FOR MORE JUSTIFICATION.

AND SOME WORDS YOU USED TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS ALL QUALIFIED AND ALL GOOD. AND I AM ALL FOR IT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS ALL RIGHT.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE WORDS YOU USED WHEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT IT.

CAN YOU REMEMBER? >> WE WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE HAD MORE TIME TO CREATE THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE. WE CREATED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOLS THAT THE SCHOOLS WILL INDEPENDENTLY CONTRACT WITH AT&T. I BELIEVE AT&T IS NEGOTIATING AS

WELL WITH THE SCHOOLS. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IT IS THIS AGRE AGREEMENT, JENNY, WE ARE GIVING MONEY TO THE SCHOOL AND THEY WILL CONTRACT AND HOLD THE LICENSE AND THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE.

WE HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY SO WE CAN GO PURCHASE THIS

EQUIPMENT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AGAIN, JENNY, THEY SHOULD FILL OUT THE APPLICATION WITH -- -- TO MAKE SURE THEY QUALIFY FOR ALL THAT MONEY, BUT ALSO, THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A ONE-TIME DEAL.

I KNOW THE AT&T IS WORKING WITH THEM, BUT THE THING IS, AT&T HAS A LOT MORE TO DO WITH THAT. BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY DO IT NEXT YEAR. YOU OWE THIS MUCH MONEY.

>> I THINK THAT DISCUSSION IS -- IS SOMETHING THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE EXPRESSING THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE RENEWALS, BUT I THINK THE COURT HAS MADE CLEAR, THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND THAT IS IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY ARE 100% ON BOARD THAT WE ARE GIVING THEM A HEAD START. ALL WE ARE DOING IS GIVING THEM

THAT AGREEMENT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SOMEWHERE IN THE CONTRACT THAT THEY SIGNED AND AGREED TO MA THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO COME BACK LATER ON SAYING THEY WILL GIVE US MORE MONEY.

>> NO, IT IS CLEAR WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOLS THAT IS THE SOLE -- THAT IS ONE GROUP -- ONE SET OF MONEY AND THAT'S

IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY HAVE BEEN QUALIFIED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND THERE IS ACTUALLY A NARRATIVE AND A JUSTIFICATION UNDER COMMUNITY POLICING AND SAFETY AND ARPA.

THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JENNY IS RIGHT. WHEN I CALLED JENNY AND ASKED OF THESE. SIMILAR MONEY AND I AM GOING TO WAIT BECAUSE I WILL DO MINE DIFFERENTLY.

SHE INDICATED TO ME THAT -- LEAK I AM AND YOU ARE, FINE WITH THE CONCEPT BUT NEEDED MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING IT RIGHT. : ALL I AM TRYING TO SAY. IS THAT SOMEONE SIGN IT IS TOMORROW WITHOUT -- I AM PUTTING THIS BACK ON YOU.

I AM THINKING WHAT I DO NOW WITH THE MONEY IS COME BACK AND SAY TO THE COURT WHEN -- WITH THE NEW COURT MANAGER.

NOT THE NEW COURT MANAGER BUT ARPA MANAGER.

I WILL GIVE THIS MONEY FOR SCHOOL SAFETY FOR THE SCHOOLS I ALLOCATED FOR AND I WANT TO DO A SIMPLE AGREEMENT.

HERE IS THE ALLOCATION. USE IT FOR AT&T, YOU CAN.

AND I WILL DO IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT ON THIS. BECAUSE JUDGE WANTS TO DO IT THIS WAY, I AM FINE WITH THAT. BUT I AM JUST SAYING, I WANT IT TO BE CLEAR IN THIS MOTION THAT JUST BECAUSE WE PASS IT TODAY, YOU CAN'T COME BACK AND HAVE -- IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT YOU COMING BACK NEXT YEAR SAYING IF I HAD A LITTLE MORE TIME.

I WOULDN'T AGREE TO THIS. I WANTS YOU TO SIGN OFF ON THIS AND SEND YOU TO THE COURT -- TO THE COURT OFF THIS SIGNED OFF ON THIS AND YOU ARE COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET FROM YOU. I GOT FROM YOU AND YOU NEEDED MORE TIME AND I AM NOT TRYING TO DELAY THIS BECAUSE SCHOOL SAFETY IS IMPORTANT. I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS WRONG AND WE HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY BACK EITHER.

>> IF I COULD TAKE THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE INTO EXECUTIVE AND EXPLAIN THE LEGAL QUESTION THAT I AM BALANCING AGAINST THE TIME

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CONSTRAINTS. I WOULD ASK TO DO THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FINE WITH ME IF THAT IS OKAY WITH THE

JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS FINE.

I WILL ASK JEFF TO JOIN US BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY THE ONE, NOT JENNY WORKING AT IT 100%. I AM SAYING I WOULD LIKE TO

BRING HIM IN. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: REPRESENTING YOUR OFFICE, HE IS THE ONE WORKING WITH THIS MORE THAN A MONTH.

THAT IS FINE, BUT THESE AGREEMENTS ARE NOTHING MORE WE ARE GIVING YOU THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

RAY SI PSA. THE DOCUMENT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO INVENT THINGS.

WE CAN GET ANOTHER SCHOOL SHOOTING AND THAT IS WHAT I AM UPSET ABOUT. THEY ABSOLUTELY HAD -- WE ABSOLUTELY HAD LOTS OF TIME FOR THIS.

ALL THIS IS AN AGREEMENT, YOU ARE A SUB-RECIPIENT.

WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

AND YOU ARE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND USE IT FOR THIS PARTICULAR

PROGRAM. >> AND, JUDGE, I HAVE ASKED TO TAKE THAT INTO EXECUTIVE AND COURT CAN MAKE THE BUSINESS DECISION BASE $ON GOOD INFORMATION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SOUNDS GOOD.

LET'S DO IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM GOING TO HEAR FROM -- LOUIE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TIME WE WANTED BUT I WANT YOU TO TAKE THE TETUM PIECES OF IT.

AND JUST GIVE LIKE LITERALLY THE BRIEFEST EXPLANATION THAT YOU CAN. IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, EVERYBODY.

LET'S START WITH -- THIS IS ITEM -- THIS ITEM 9.

[9. Receive Emergency Management Annual report.]

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DONE NUMBER 7?

>>JUDGE CANALES: NO, WE ARE NOT. I AM ON ITEM NUMBER 9.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WANT TO TABLE NUMBER 7.

IT COMES BEFORE 9. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HEAR ALL THE

NOISE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WANT

TO TABLE NUMBER 7. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHEN I CALL THAT, I AM NOT THERE YET. LOUIE, GO AHEAD AND PLEASE

PROCEED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE 20 MINUTES OF

PEACE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN'T -- HE HAS BEEN ASKING FOR AN HOUR TO GET TO THIS ITEM.

YOU SKIPPED OVER IT 16 TIMES. >>JUDGE CANALES: IF HE WAS DESERVING OF THE COURTESY, IT MIGHT BE EXTENDED.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM. I MAKE A MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHEN I CALL ON IT, I WILL CALL ON YOU COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND TOERS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I CALL FOR THE QUESTION.

I AM NOT THERE YET. LOUIE, I NEED TO MAKE THIS FOR TETUM AND THEN WE WILL CALL -- IF.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CALL FOR THE QUESTION ON ITEM 7.

IF. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU SKIPPED BOILERS. HARD FOR PEOPLE -- EXPECTING IT TO BE CALLED -- WE KEEP SKIPPING AROUND AND CALLING THE ONES YOU WANT TO CALL AND NOT HAVE EVERYBODY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE WILL

NOT GET TO THE BOILERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS CALLED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER.

FOR THE NEXT 25 MINUTES, I AM GOING TO BE DOING IT THE WAY I SEE FIT TO DO IT, WHICH IS TO TRY TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT

WE NEED TO DO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I MOTION

TO TABLE ITEM 9. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU

[4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.]

CALLED THE ITEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM GIVING NOTICE THAT COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

WE DO SO INSIDE THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS WITH OUR LAWYER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551071, 2, 3, 4, 86 AND 87. MATTERS LISTED AND MATTERED WE DISCUSSED ON AGENDA INCLUDING THOSE IN THE SPECIAL MOTIONS LIST AS WELL AS THOSE THAT HAVE COME UP HERE RECENTLY REGARDING THE ORDER OF BUSINESS. NONETHELESS, WE WILL DISCUSS WITH OUR LAWYERS RELATING TO LITIGATION, REAL PROPERTY, GIFTS, COUNTY ADVISORY BODIES, SECURITY DEVICES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ANY OTHER MATTER THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL COME BACK ON THE RECORD AS SOON AS WE CAN. AND IT IS 12:36.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM READY TO DO A C,ALGON RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD. IT IS 12:56 P.M. FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE WE RECORD, THERE WAS NOT A QUORUM FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, ON ITEM A, WE ALREADY PASSED ITEM A.

ON ITEM -- I MEAN EARLIER TODAY. THAT WAS ON THE COUNTY GAME ROOM

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POLICIES. WE HAVE THAT THERE IN CASE WE NEEDED TO CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEY.

AND THE SECOND ONE IS B, CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY ON COUNTY POLICY RELATED DONATIONS. AND I WAS INFORMED THAT THAT DID NOT NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP AT THIS TIME PURSUANT TO 551017.

THAT IS TALKING TO OUR LAWYER. AND SO THERE WAS THE ONLY MATTERS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDR ADDRESSLE IT IN THIS COURT WILL HAVE TO DO WITH THE ONES WE SKIPPED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU TURN TO FOR THE PURPOSES OF BRINGING THEM BACK.

IT WOULD BE ITEMS 18, 21 AND 22. AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN SINCE THOSE QUESTIONS DID NOT GET ANSWERED NEXT EX- YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES, COURT, I CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE

OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: MAKE

MOTION TO TABLE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL NOSE FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THAT HAS TO DO WITH 18, 21 AND 22.

NINE AND TEN WERE TABLED EARLIER AND TWO WAS PASSED.

OKAY. THE REST OF IT NEEDS A CLEAN MOTION, KARA, THE NEXT MO OF THE MOTION.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL MOTIONS LIST WITH THE EXCEPTIONS WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN. IS THERE A SECOND?

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL OF THOSE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: ABSTENTION ON ITEM 8. LINE ITEM 8.

IT WASN'T VERY CLEAN. I TRIED.

LET ME GO BACK. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> THAT'S OKAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: MY MOTION KARA WAS TO APPROVE THE REMAINDER OF THE SPECIAL MOTIONS LIST.

WE HAVE ALREADY EXCLUDED SOME. I WILL ADD ONE MORE FOR EXCLUSION -- I DON'T HAVE TO EXCLUSION IT.

JUST ABSTENTION. >> CAN YOU JUST DO 8 RIGHT NOW AND GO BACK AND DO THE OTHERS TO ABSTAIN FROM 8.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL CALL ITEM 8 JUST TO HELP YOU.

ITEM 8 FOR SPECIAL MOTIONS LIST. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: EXCUSE ME, JUDGE, SCHOOL SAFETY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: STILL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM C.

ALL I AM TRYING TO DO IS TO GET A CLEAN MOTION FOR MISS SANDS.

WE EXCLUDED SOME AND TRYING TO PUT THE REST IN THE RECORD.

THE FIRST MOTION IS TO I APPROVE EVERYTHING BUT ITEM NUMBER 8.

WE WILL VOTE ON THAT SEPARATELY INCLUDING ALL THE ONES TABLED FOR THE FUTURE. AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

AND IS THERE A SECOND? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN

FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT

INCLUDE THE TABLED MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: TAKE ITEM 8 AS A COURTESY. THE CLERK WANTS THIS ONE CLEANER. LINE ITEM 8.

>> MR. CHESNEY IS NOT SHOWING UP.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MISS SANDS, THE CLERK WANTS YOU TO PLEASE TURN YOUR VIDEO ON SO YOU CAN BE COUNTED AS A VOTE.

THERE HE IS. ALL RIGHT, NOW FOR LINE ITEM 8 FOR CLARITY. THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE LINE ITEM NUMBER 8 ON SPECIAL MOTIONS LIST.

STILL WORKING ON C, MOTIONS AGENDA.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: CAN I SECOND IT IF I AM GOING TO

ABSTAIN? >>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH, YOUR VOTE

CAN BE AN ABSTENTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ WILL YOU SECOND IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: ABSTAIN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE NUMBER 18,

CORRECT? >>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT.

I ONLY CALLED IT LINE ITEM 8. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM SAYING YOUR PREVIOUS MOTION TO THIS DID NOT INCLUDE 18, 21, 22, 23 AND 9 AND 10. I AM JUST MAKING SURE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S CORRECT. I HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD.

THIS IS CORRECT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AND THERES AN ABSTENTION.

THAT DOES CONCLUDE THAT PIECE OF IT.

AND THEN THERE IS THE MATTER OF -- GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

WE ALREADY DID THE E. OKAY, I AM GOING BACK TO THE SCHOOLS. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A SOLUTION. ITEM NUMBER 8, SCHOOL SAFETY

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TECHNOLOGY PROJECT. THERE IS ONE ITEM ON ITEM -- LITTLE B. BISHOP, MISSING THE SAMS. GOV NUMBER AND APPROVE THE CONTRACT SUBJECT TO THE NUMBER FILLED IN.

I WILL MAKE THE MOTION UNTIL YOU FEEL IT IS 100% READY, DON'T RELEASE IT. BUT BANQUETE, DRISCOLL AND CAN HAVE THEIR AGREEMENTS. THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE WITH THEM.

I ALSO IN LIGHT OF JUST -- IN THE LIGHT MOST FAVOR TO EVERYBODY SO IT FULFILLS ALL THE ELIGIBILITY.

ALSO PUTS A CAVEAT THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WILL CONSULT WITH AND CHECK WITH THE SHERIFF TO SEE IF HE HAS ANY -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE WORD "INVOLVEMENT" IS OKAY, IF IT IS BROAD ENOUGH FOR YOU, MISS DORSEY. TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE SCHOOL SAFETY PROJECT IS NOT ONLY FULFILLED BUT THAT -- IT IS DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU ARE WORKING WITH SCHOOL SAFETY, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS INTERTWINED. NOW ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THAT THE SHERIFF WILL HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY HERE TO WEIGH IN, WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THIS AGREEMENT IN CASES THERE ANY LANGUAGE HE DEEMS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMPORTS WHAT WE CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT DUTIES FOR NUECES COUNTY. THERE NAY BE NONE, IF THERE ARE, YOU GOT IT. ALL THOSE -- ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 8.

THAT LEAVES US WITH ALL OF THE FEMA STAFF AND THE BOILERS.

105. DOES THE COURT WISH TO ADJOURN AT THIS TIME. IF SO, I WILL NEED SOME TABLES.

IF YOU DON'T, LET ME KNOW. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOVE

THAT WE TABLE ITEM 9 AND 10. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM NOT GOING TO BE HERE IN THE NEW YEAR, SO I CAN'T DELIVER NUMBER 9, BUT I CAN ADDRESS IT IN ABOUT ONE MINUTE BY TELLING YOU WHAT YOUR PACKET HAS. AND THEN YOU CAN TABLE ITEM 10

UNTIL THE NEW YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE CAN RECEIVE IT IN WRITING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TABLE PLEASE. WE ARE PAST THE TIME.

WE MADE PEOPLE WAIT ON THE BOILERS.

THAT IS IMPORTANT. I NEED TO DO THAT ONE.

THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECOND

AGAIN. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND SECOND TO TABLE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT REPORT.

NO BIG THINGS. JUST ALL THE FEMA STUFF THAT NEED TO BE RELAID TO EVERYBODY BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE WOULD RECEIVE THE WRITTEN REPORT AND

WE CAN PUT IT OUT ACCORDINGLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL JUST RECEIVE THE WRITTEN REPORT IS WHAT HIS MOTION IS.

OKAY. THIS IS NOT A WRITTEN REPORT.

IT WAS MEANT FOR DISCUSSION. BUT ITEM NUMBER 10 HAVE GREAT A BIT OF CON MENTATION. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A MOTION TO TABLE NUMBER 7.

>>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE NUMBER 7. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. I MEAN I AM HAPPY TO WORK.

NOTHING GOING ON THIS AFTERNOON ON OUR SCHEDULED HERE.

[6. Receive update from Project Manager on boiler installation project in Nueces County Courthouse complex, and related matters; discuss and consider any needed action.]

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ONLY ITEM

LEFT IS NUMBER 6, COUNTY CLERK? >>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM 6 AND WE ARE PAST THE TIME. I WILL NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE INFORMATION IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DO NUMBER 6.

ARE THERE ANY OTHERS ON THE AGENDA UNACCOUNTED FOR?

>> NO. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE ALREADY

GONE THROUGH THE REST. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND ONLY TO HEAR THE BOILER PRESENTATION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND IS THERE A

SECOND? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT, SO THE LAST ITEM FOR THE DAY IS GOING TO BE THE BOILER INSTALLATION PROJECT.

AND THIS IS AN UPDATE ONLY. I AM SORRY, THAT IS NOT TRUE, A RECEIVE, UPDATE AND DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ANY NEEDED ACTION.

WE WILL HEAR FROM J.P. GROM ON THIS MATTER.