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>> JUDGE CANALES: GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING TO ALL.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING AND I CALL IT TO ORDER.ASK ALL TO RISE FOR INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO OUR TEXAS FLAG. THIS MORNING, WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE PASTOR JOHN FLETCHER INVITED BY COMMISSIONER MAREZ.
WELCOME, PASTOR AND WE ASK YOU TO LEAD US IN PRAYER.
OH GREAT GOD OF MERCY AND LOVE, WE ARE GRATEFUL THIS MORNING FOR THE LOST YOU GAVE US TO LIVE AND SHARE TOGETHER.
WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR OUR FAMILIES AND OUR HOMES HERE IN THE COASTAL BEND AND CONTINUE TO PRAY, LORD, FOR ALL THAT WE NEED TO CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER SO THAT OUR COMMUNITIES MAY CONTINUE TO GROW AND FLOURISH. WE PRAY, LORD, THIS MORNING, I PRAY FOR THESE LEADERS BEFORE US, GOD, AND THE WORK THIEF TO DO TODAY. PRAY THAT YOU WILL FILL THEIR MINDS AND YOUR HEARTS WITH THEIR WISDOM, YOUR COMPASSION SO THE WORK YOU TO DO IT WITH YOUR PEACE IN MIND AND WITH THE FULL ASSURANCES AS THEY SERVE THIS COMMUNITY, THEY DO SO WITH YOUR BLESSING. IT MAY BE THAT ALL OF US WILL BE ASSURED, GOD, OF THE GREAT LOVE THAT YOU USE TO DRAW US CLOSER TOGETHER. IN ALL THESE THINGS I PRAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AMEN THE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
>> JUDGE CANALES: FOR THE CLERK, IT IS NOVEMBER 16 -- HARD TO BELIEVE, THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER. THANKSGIVING IS NEXT WEEK.
2022. AND THE TIME IS 8:39 A.M.
WE STARTED JUST A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THAT, KARA, IF YOU WANT TO -- ALSO WITHER LOCATED IN THE NUECES COUNTY COURT ROOM IN THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE NUECES COUNTY COURT HOUSE LOCATED 901 LEOPARD.
I DO CERTIFY LOOKING BOTH WAY HAS IT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER, I CERTIFY THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT. I WILL ASK YOU AT THIS TIME TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO ITEM,D, COMMISSIONERS, ANNOUNCEMENT OF DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.
IF ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA ARE INDEED HAPPENING, WE NEED TO DECLARE THOSE AT THIS TIME.
MEMBERS OF CONFLICTS WILL REMAIN FROM VOTING AND ARE ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM DISCUSSION ON SUCH ITEMS. CONFLICTS DISCOVERED LATER IN THE MEETING WILL BE CLOSED AT
[E. SAFETY BRIEFING]
THAT TIME. ANY CONFLICTS THAT YOU NEED TO DISCLOSE? OKAY.I WILL ASK YOU TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO REBECCA, PLEASE,
FOR A SAFETY BRIEFING. >> REBECCA: GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS AND ATTENDSIES. OUR SAFETY BRIEFING FOR TODAY NOVEMBER 14 IS BEING HELD IN THE NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT ROOM. THE REST ROOMS ARE LOCATED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE THIRD FLOOR ATRIUM PAST THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE. THERE IS A FIRE EXTINGUISHER LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE COURT ROOM AND ALSO FIVE ADDITIONAL FIRE EXTINGUISHERS LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE ATRIUM AREA.
BLEED CONTROL STATIONS ARE ON EVERY FLOOR.
IN THE EVENT OF A CARDIAC EMERGENCY, AN AED IS LOCATED ON THE RIGHT WALL NEXT TO THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE.
PARTICIPANT FOR TODAY RESPONSIBLE FOR DIALING 911 WILL BE CONNIE. THE EVENT OF AN EVACUATION, THE EGRESS ROUTE SLOWLY DOWN THE ATRIUM STAIRS PROCEEDING OUT THE DOORS ON THE L EPAN SIDE STREET OF THE COURT HOUSE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO STAY TOGETHER.
SHOULD THERE BE A NEED TO SHELTER IN PLACE DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE SHELTER IN PLACE, THE COURT ROOM DOUBLE DOORS WILL BE SECURED AND REMAIN SECURED UNTIL GIVEN FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND YOU WILL STAY AT THE ELEVATOR IN CASE SOMETHING
[F. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.]
HAPPENS. >> JUDGE CANALES: YES, I WILL, I WILL. ALL RIGHT.
AND SO I WILL MOVE TOWARD THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WILL CALL THEM IN ORDER. BUT WE ARE JOINED BY PEOPLE ONLINE, IF YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS RAISE YOUR HAND WITH THE VIRTUAL ICON OF THE HAND.
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AND CONNIE WILL LET US KNOW. AND WE WILL CALL ON YOU SHORTLY.BUT FIRST, I WILL CALL M MR. JJ DELASERA AND ASK HIM TO
COME FORWARD. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I WANTED TO COME IN THIS MORNING TO BRIEF YOU AND GIVE YOU SOME UPDATES ON A FEW VETERAN RELATED EVENTS WE HAVE COMING UP. THE FIRST IS THE SECOND ANNUAL COASTAL BEND FIELD OF HONOR WHICH WE POSTPONED FROM VETERANS DAY. WE WILL BE HAVING IT THIS FRIDAY 18TH 4:30 P.M. AT THE RICHARD BORCHARD FAIRGROUNDS.
THOSE UNFAMILIAR, WE WILL HAVE 1,000 FLAGS FLOWN IN HONOR OF A 1,000 VETERANS ACTIVE-DUTY SERVICE MEMBERS.
WE ARE CLOSELY MONITORING THE WEATHER BECAUSE WE HAVE 40% CHANCE OF RAIN AGAIN. IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES WE WILL ADVISE THE COURT AND PUBLIC IMMEDIATELY.
SECOND CEREMONY IS THE WREATHS A I CROSS AMERICA CEREMONY AT THE COASTAL BEND STATE VETERANS CEMETERY SCHEDULED DECEMBER 17 AT 1 P.M. WE CURRENTLY HAVE OVER 5208 DECEDENTS BURIED AT THE CEMETERY AND WILL NEED 4,000 WREATHS TO ADORN EVERY SINGLE GRAVE SITE. THAT IS THE PLAN DECEMBER 17 AT 11 A.M. WE RECOMMEND YOU GET THERE EARLY BECAUSE WE SEE 2,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR THAT EVENT.
THANK YOU, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. NEXT I WILL CALL ON MISS
MARGARET BALDWIN. >> CAN I TALK ON AN ITEM IF IT IS STILL GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA?
>> JUDGE CANALES: YES, MA'AM. JUST APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
AND I KNOW I ANNOUNCED YOUR NAME, BUT ALSO ANNOUNCE YOUR ADDRESS. I KNOW THE CLERK APPRECIATES
THAT. >> MARGARET BALDWIN THREE RIVERS, TEXAS. I ASKED THAT I COULD SPEAK AT
THE ITEM NUMBER. >> JUDGE CANALES: I AM SORRY.
YOU WANT TO SPEAK AT THE ITEM NUMBER.
>> IF IT IS STILL GOING TO BE ON THERE.
>> JUDGE CANALES: ABSOLUTELY. ITEM NUMBER?
>> ITEM 13. >> JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO
>> JUDGE CANALES: MR. MI MIKE COLBERTSON.
>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS.
MIKE CULL BETTERSON, THE CEO OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI REGIONAL ECONOMIC ASSOCIATION. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM W ON YOUR CONSENT. YOU HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVE OF NUECES COUNTY ON OUR BOARD. JUST SO -- IF YOU REMEMBER, THE COUNTY JUDGE HAS BEEN ON OUR BOARD EVER SINCE WE STARTED BACK IN 1986. ON OUR BOARD IS THE S SAN PATRISIA. THE MAYOR OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND PORTLAND AND THE PORT CEO THERE. HE IS AN EX-OFFICIO AND THINGS GET MOVING RATHER QUICKLY. AND WE KEEP GOING THROUGH AND THE NEED, IN MY OPINION, AS CEO OF HAVING -- HAVING YOUR REPRESENTATIVE THE COUNTY JUDGE IS VITALLY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO US -- VITALLY IMPORTANT TO US. AND I THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT SERVICE TO YOU. NOW OUR BYLAWS SAY WHOEVER YOU WANT TO PICK, WE WILL CERTAINLY SEEK AND WE WILL DO THAT AND DO THAT GLADLY, BUT I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT, IF YOU WOULD.
YOU DO NOT WANT SOMEBODY WHO HAS TO RUN BACK EVERY TIME THERE IS A POLICY DISCUSSION IN OUR -- IN OUR MEETINGS AND THEY DO GET -- THEY DO GET BUSY AND THEY DO GET MOVING RATHER QUICKLY.
AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, MR. CULBERTSON.
MISS GABBY GARCIA. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. ANY NAME IS GABBY GARCIA.
THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN.
I AM IN ATTENDANCE FOR RICHARD GOMEZ WHO NOT ATTEND BECAUSE OF A PREVIOUS COMMITMENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR SUPPORT FOR AGENDA ITEM 3-A-7 AND 3-A-19, THESE INCLUDE DRAINAGE AND PARK IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE CITIZENS OF ROBS TOWN.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW THE CITIZENS OF ROBS TOWN HAS DEALT WITH SEVERE DRAINAGE ISSUE AND ANY RELIEF WE CAN RECEIVE TO OBFUSCATE THIS. AND IN HOPES OF OBTAINING FUNDING FOR THE COUNTY'S ARPA ALLOCATION TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF THE CITIZENS. WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY IS OUR JOB AS PUBLIC SERVANTS.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT IN THESE PROJECTS.
THANK YOU. >> JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE, CONNIE, THAT HAS INDICATED?
>> NO, MA'AM. >> JUDGE CANALES: SUPER.
HOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE IN THE HALLWAY, DEPUTY? OKAY. I GIVE A LAST CALL.
ANYONE IN THE COURT ROOM? >> JUDGE, SINCE MISS BALDWIN WAS HERE I WAS GOING TO -- WHEN A PROPER ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MOTION
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TO TABLE 13. SO IF -- I DON'T WANT HER TO NOT BE ABLE TO SAY SOMETHING IF SHE WAS HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND IF THE COURT DOES AUTHORIZE THE TABLE OF 13.>> JUDGE CANALES: MISS BALDWIN, I AM GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU GIVEN WHAT I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD ALTHOUGH I HAVE NOT CALLED THE ITEM AND NO ONE CAN MAKE A MOTION YET UNTIL I CALL IT, IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE IT IS GOOD TO EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS RIGHT NOW.
YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MARGARET BALDWIN AND I COME ON BEHALF OF A VARIETY OF CHARITIES HERE IN NUECES COUNTY.
AS I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO TABLE THE NUMBER 13, THE ARPA ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS.
WE ASK THAT YOU DO THIS IN A TIMELY MANNER IN THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU -- YOU TABLE IT, THAT YOU PICK IT UP VERY QUICKLY AS THESE FUNDS WOULD BE USED BY CHARITIES FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NEEDED AND AS THIS IS THE TIME OF GIVING AND THE SEASON OF GIVING WHERE IT IS NEEDED, THESE FUNDS WOULD HELP THE CHARITIES VERY MUCH IN BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS ITEMS. SO -- AND OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THIS SEASON. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN MOVE VERY QUICKLY ON. WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.
GOING BACK INTO REGULAR ORDER. I AM GOING TO ASK THAT WE MOVE TO ITEM G. AND IS THE PUBLIC HEALTH
DIRECTOR HERE THIS MORNING? >> NO, WE HAD TO TABLE THAT, JUDGE. SHE IS NOT AVAILABLE TODAY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL JANUARY 4.
>> SECOND. >> JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THE -- THE JANUARY 4 DATE IS
THE NEW DATE FOR THE NEW YEAR. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
FOR THE CALENDAR. >> JUDGE CANALES: FOR THE CALENDAR. OKAY.
IS THERE A -- ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
IN. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: DISCUSSION
ON THAT, JUDGE. >> JUDGE CANALES: HE WANTED TO TABLE IT. WOULD YOU YIELD TO COMMISSIONER MAREZ. WILL YOU HOLD ON YOUR TABLE SO
HE CAN EXPRESS. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: WE REALLY GOT TO GET A GOOD GRIP OF WHAT OUR POLICIES ARE AND WHAT WE FOLLOW AS FAR AS ANY MOTION. REALLY CONCERNED THAT IF THERE IS A MAJORITY OF THE COURT THAT HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH VOTES TO MAKE A MOTION IS FINE, BUT WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE DISCUSSION BECAUSE ACTIONS THAT TAKE PLACE THAT WE WILL NOT -- THAT THE PUBLIC WON'T UNDERSTAND, LET ALONE MAYBE EVEN US -- SOME OF US UP HERE ON COURT UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS A TABLE, AT LEAST HAVING DISCUSSION, SOME EXPLANATION.
THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING FOR. COUNTY ATTORNEY, IF YOU CAN HELP PROVIDE THAT OR EYE DAY, WE HAVE IN THE POLICY WHERE TO CLARIFY.
ALL I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THIS IS JUST AN INTRODUCTION, I WOULD LIKE TO MEET DR. KAHN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
IF IT IS A PRESENTATION OF INFORMATION, I CAN UNDERSTAND IT -- OBVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IS WANTING TO HOLD UNTIL JUDGE-ELECT SCOTT COMES ON, BUT IF IT IS JUST AN INTRO, I WOULD LIKE TO MEET HER. I DON'T KNOW HER.
AND SHE WORKS FOR US. AND WE PAY PART OF HER SALARY.
AND SOONER WE CAN GET HER IN, THE BETTER.
THAT WOULD BE MY THING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST IN RESPONSE, COMMISSIONER MAREZ, THE REASON THAT WE MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IS TO NOT HAVE TO -- I KNOW YOU ARE ON THIS ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON AN ITEM. AND SO THE REASON -- LET ME JUST STATE IN ADVANCE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WELL, THIS ONE IS ONE SHE WASN'T AVAILABLE.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT I HAD PUT ON SOMETHING FOR TABLING.
SO SHE WASN'T AVAILABLE IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.
SO THE MOTIONS THAT I AM MAKING TODAY TO TABLE ARE IN ACTIONS THAT I BELIEVE WILL EFFECT THIS COURT NEXT YEAR AND THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE WAITING UNTIL THE NEW COUNTY JUDGE IS HERE TO WEIGH IN ON. AND BECAUSE THIS IS HOW WE DID IT WHEN JUDGE NEAL WENT OUT AND JUDGE CANALES WAS COMING IN, WE WAITED FOR A LOT OF ITEMS TO WAIT FOR JUDGE CANALES TO GET HERE. THIS IS WHAT THE METHOD OF MY TABLING IS ON ALL OF THE ITEMS I WILL BE MAKING MOTIONS TO TABLE.
I APPRECIATE YOU ACTUALLY BRINGING THAT UP SO I CAN EXPLAIN THAT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON ALL THE ITEMS TO TABLE.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THAT IS NOT THE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.
I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON MY PART.
AND ALL I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAS THIS AN INTRODUCTION OR
PRESENTATION OF INFORMATION. >> JUST INTRODUCTION, YEAH.
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AND THE DIRECTOR, SHE -- SHE WAS NOT AVAILABLE.>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SHE IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME OUT AND REACH OUT TO JUDGE-ELECT SCOTT IN THE SESSION BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY 1. I UNDERSTAND SHE WASN'T AVAILABLE TODAY BUT AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHY NOT HAVE HER HERE.
BECAUSE SHE SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE COURT.
IF JUST A MATTER OF HER BEING FORMALLY INTRODUCED TO US.
NOT A POLICY THING. NOT A DISCUSSION.
NOT A -- NOT A PRESENTATION. AND HELLO, THIS IS WHO I AM.
AND THAT'S KIND OF IT. SO I -- I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ON ACTUALLY POLICY ITEMS. AND I SEE WHERE TODAY'S COURT IS GOING IN THAT, OKAY. BUT I -- I JUST -- I AM ASKING OUR PARTNER OR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ADVISE AND ALSO COURT ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE US SOME POLICY DIRECTION ON TABLING OR ANYTHING. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE SPIRIT OF ANY MOTION SHOULD BE OPEN FOR AT LEAST DISCUSSION.
AND THAN -- AT LEAST IF WE CAN AT LEAST CLARIFY.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THOSE IN THE PUBLIC, THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHY. IF IT IS JUST A MATTER OF THE FIRST PERSON TO MAKE A MOTION AND YOU GOT THE VOTES, TO ME, THAT JUST ELIMINATES ALL -- ANY KIND OF INPUT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. AND IT IS NOT BEST PRECEDENT TO FOLLOW, I THINK. THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST SOME CLARIFICATION EVEN IF IT IS JUST STAFF TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME FROM COURT IS JUST MY CONCERN ON
HEARING -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHE WASN'T AVAILABLE UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
SHE WANTS TO COME FOR AN INTRODUCTION.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. THAT IS WHY I MADE IT IT THAT WAY. THE REST OF THOSE I WOULD RESPECTFULFULLY. YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST TABLE.
AND I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU WITH THE FACT IT IS VERY CLEAR IF AN ITEM IS NOT TO BE DISCUSSED, MAKE A MOTION KILLS ALL DISCUSSION. AND ON DOWN THE ROAD THAT IS THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES. YOU CAN VOTE NO TO ANY --
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: BUT THE PROCEDURES WE HAVE SET IN.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS TOLD THIS LADY COULDN'T COME TO THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. THAT IS ON THIS ONE.
THAT IS THE INFORMATION I GOT. IF THAT IS BAD INFORMATION, PUT HER BACK ON FOR NEXT WEEK OR WHENEVER WE ARE MEETING IN
DECEMBER. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: WE WILL HAVE A QUICK MEETING TODAY THEN, ONCE WE GET PAST THESE PLEASANT TREES OF RECOGNITION. I GUESS WE COULD BE DOING OTHER THINGS WITH OUR TIME. I AM FINE WITH THAT.
I RESPECT THE MAJORITY RULES BUT LIKE I SAID, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND -- AND -- IT'S GOOD AND EXPRESSED TO YOU.
I HOPE IT WOULD COME FROM OUR COURT ADMINISTRATOR INSTEAD OF ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS THAT COURT -- LET'S GET A POINT HERE.
LET'S GET A LEAD HERE. COURT ADMINISTRATOR, THE COUNTY MANAGER THAT WE SELECTED AND THAT'S WHERE THIS SHOULD BE
COMING FROM. >> JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
SO HAVING HEARD DISCUSSION. THERE IS A TABLE ON THE FLOOR UNTIL JANUARY 4, UNLESS THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT IN YOUR OFFICE TO BRING IT EARLIER. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ANYTHING ANY PHI BY SAYING AYE. I THINK THAT -- I MEAN -- I THINK IT'S -- IT'S SILLY THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T COME FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH. I WILL JUST SAY --
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: HAVING DISCUSSION OR MOVE FORWARD.
>> JUDGE CANALES: THE OTHER THING IS WE ARE GOING TO DO IS A LITTLE BIT OF HOW LONGKEEPING AND NEXT -- I WILL MAKE THIS ON PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EVERYBODY. SO NEXT COURT IS DECEMBER 7.
AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WIRING NOW FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. SO THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME -- THERE ARE SMALL LITTLE BUTTONS THAT WILL BE PLACED UP FRONT HERE FOR YOU. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CREATE A DISCUSSION OR AN ACTION, YOU WILL JUST PRESS THAT BUTTON AND LET THE PRESIDING OFFICER KNOW THAT SHE NEEDS TO STOP AND ASK YOU FOR RECOGNITION. SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE PRACTICE EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THE FROMS HERE.
IF YOU WILL JUST STOP AND ASK TO BE RECOGNIZED, I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU. IT WILL MAKE EVERYTHING GO VERY FLUID AND WE WON'T HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE BEING CALLED UPON.
[1. In recognition of the 150th anniversary of Kelsey Memorial United Methodist Church.]
AND I THINK THAT WILL WORK VERY NICELY.SO IN THAT VEIN, WE WILL MOVE ON TO H-1.
THIS A SPECIAL ONE AS WELL, BECAUSE THE PASTOR THAT BROUGHT FORTH OUR BEAUTIFUL PRAYER FOR US IS -- WILL ALSO BE HERE IN RECOGNITION OF THE 150TH ANNIVERSARY OF KELSEY MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. AND WE WILL YIELD TO BELINDA, WHO WILL READ THE RECOGNITION AND THEN NEXT TO COMMISSIONER
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MAREZ. >> WHEREAS, DURING THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 30, 2022 THROUGH NOVEMBER 6, 2022, KELSEY MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH CELEBRATED ITS 150TH ANNIVERSARY. WHEREAS, IN 1872, REVEREND HERNANDEZ WAS APPOINTED TO SERVE THE SPANISH SPEAKING METHODIST AND CORPUS CHRISTI LATER BEING CREDITED OF THE FATHER OF METHODISM OF TWO SPANISH SPEAKERS IN TEXAS.
WHEREAS IN 1948, THE. CHURCH TOOK ON THE NAME KELSEY MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IN HONOR OF THE ADOPTIVE PARENTS OF ANA KELSEY. JOHN PETER AND AMANDA KELSEY, PROMINENT FEATURES IN CORPUS CHRISTI.
MISS KELSEY BEING CORPUS CHRISTI'S FIRST TEACHER.
WHEREAS, KELSEY MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH HAS SERVED THIS COMMUNITY FOR 150 YEARS IN HONORING THAT TRADITION AS PART OF THEIR CELEBRATION SERVES STUDENTS IN OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS, MEMBERS OF CORPUS CHRISTI POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND NUMEROUS LOCAL OFFICIALS. NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE RESOLVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY THAT THE COURT HEARBY CONGRATULATES KELSEY MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH
ON ITS 150TH ANNIVERSARY. >> JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.
PASTOR, WE WELCOME YOU BACK TO THE PODIUM AGAIN FOR A FEW WORDS. AND THEN I WILL ASK COMMISSIONER IF HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION.
>> THANK YOU. IT WAS AN EXCITING TIME AT OUR CONGREGATION. LOOKING BACK AT 150 YEARS, WE WERE GRATEFUL FOR THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT PASSED THROUGH.
SOME FAMILIES WHO HAVE VERY DEEP ROOTS IN THAT CONGREGATION.
AS PARTS OF THAT CELEBRATION, WE ALSO WANTED TO THANK OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO WE SERVE STUDENTS AS A PART OF OUR WEEK-LONG CELEBRATION.
WE SERVED OFFICIALS HERE IN OUR CITY AS WELL.
WE ALSO SERVED OUR COMMUNITY IN A FUN WAY.
A WAY WE WANTED TO THANK CORPUS CHRISTI AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES FOR LETTING US BE IN MINISTRY FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT 150 YEARS TO COME.
THANK YOU ALL. ANALES: THANK YO INCH COMMISSIONER MAREZ, IS THERE -- JUST FOR HOUSEKEEPING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE
MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: YES,
JUDGE, SO MOVED. >> JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND.
FLIP BACK TO YOU. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THIS IS MY HOME CHURCH, MY FAMILY'S HOME CHURCH.
SEVERAL GENERATION THAT HAVE GROWN AND CELEBRATED AND MOURNED AT KELSEY MEMORIAL. PROUD OF KELSEY, BECAUSE IT IS A CHURCH OF GIVING. A CHURCH THAT IS REALLY A COUPLE OF BLOCKS AWAY, MAYBE A TEN-MINUTE WALK FROM HERE TO THE COURTHOUSE. PROBABLY LESS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IT AS THE RED BRICK CHURCH ON THE CORNER OF COMANCHE AND ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE NEW EXTENSION OF THE HARBOR BRIDGE OR THE NEW HARBOR BRIDGE.
SO WE WANT TO DO THIS AND RECOGNIZE HIM IN KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP A SHORT AGENDA ON THE SECOND PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL WEEK OF CELEBRATION, BUT JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE EFFORTS OF THE CHURCH. AND JUST A CELEBRATION OF A COMMUNITY OF FAITH, OF BELIEVING, OF GIVING, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART REALLY THE HISTORY OF NUECES COUNTY.
AND WE HAD A WONDERFUL CELEBRATION IN A CEMETERY.
SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT IS UNUSUAL, BUT IT WAS TO CELEBRATE REVEREND HERNANDEZ AND HIS -- HIS EARLY DAYS OF MINISTRY HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. AND TO RECOGNIZE WHERE OUR HERITAGE CAME FROM. WHERE IT IS BASED OF.
AND REALLY JUST -- A GUIDANCE FOR DIRECTING US TO THE FUTURE OF SERVICE AND MINISTRY TO THOSE IN NEED TO BE THE HANDS AND FEET OF CHRIST. SO JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THIS. AND KINDS OF TAKE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO DO THIS. BUT ALSO TO ASK ANY OF OUR PARTNER FAITH ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE WOULD LOVE TO CELEBRATE. WE HAVE DONE THIS WITH OTHER CONGREGATIONS AS WELL TO CELEBRATE MILESTONES AND DEFINITELY 150 YEARS IS SOMETHING TO BE CELEBRATED.
I WAS CELEBRATING A BAPTISM AT FIRST BAPTIST JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND FOUND OUT THEY HAVEN'T HIT 150 AND A BIG OL' CHURCH ON OCEAN DRIVE. SOMETHING THAT A CONGREGATION CAN CONTINUE THEIR SERVICE AND GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
JUST MY CHANCE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.
I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR THE DUAL LANGUAGE, BEING ABLE TO SPREAD THE WORD IN ENGLISH IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT ALSO BEAUTIFUL TO SPREAD IT IN SPANISH, AND KELSEY HAS THAT HERITAGE AND THIS HISTORY.
AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, 25%, THAT ARE SPANISH-SPEAKING. AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL VERY RECENTLY. A VERY LARGE NUMBER.
TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THAT, TO CONTINUE IN THAT TRADITION THAT IT WAS FIRST FOUNDED IS VERY BEAUTIFUL.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? IF NOT, I WILL LOOK TO RECOGNIZE ANYBODY. OK
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OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.OKAY, GREAT. WE HAVE SIGNED RESOLUTION, COMMISSIONER. IT NEEDS TO BE ATTESTED, BUT YOU CAN -- WOULD YOU HONOR US WITH A PHOTO.
AND COMMISSIONER MAREZ WILL PRESENT IT TO YOU.
YOU ALL ARE INVITED TO EITHER GO DOWN BELOW YOU WILL FORGIVE MY -- I WILL BE SEATED MOST OF THE DAY DUE TO A -- AS THEY SAY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY WITH MY RIGHT FOOT.
I AM ON CRUTCHES TODAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. A PLEASURE.
PASTOR, I WANT TO YOU KNOW WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A PASTOR HERE TO PRAY WITH US, COMMISSIONER MAREZ DOES A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
SO JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE TUTELAGE, BECAUSE HE ALWAYS GIVES US A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO START OUR MORNING.
WHILE EVERYBODY IS TAKING THEIR SEAT, I DID HEAR FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY THIS MORNING, AND SO HE IS IN BETWEEN GETTING TO HIS COURT ROOM. AND SO I AM GOING TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT SO HE CAN GET BACK TO THE COURT ROOM.
PLEASE WELCOME MARK GONZALEZ FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM -- IT
SAYS E-2. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. THAT'S RIGHT.
WE ARE PICKING -- WE ARE IN PUNISHMENT PHASE OF A JURY TRIAL 214 AND I NEED TO GET BACK UP THERE.
I SAW NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA. DISCUSSING THE FUNDING AND THE START DATE FOR THE DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER.
I WANT TO BE HERE TO PLACE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST OFF, THANKING THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE JUDGE FOR THE DIRECTION THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE HAS BEEN GOING AND I HOPE IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO IN SUCH A WAY THAT ULTIMATELY THAT ALLOW US TO DO OUR JOB BETTER, BUT THE ONE MAIN CONCERN WE NEED TO DO IS TO GET THAT ACCREDITATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AS LONG AS THAT GOES WITH THAT STATUS, IT CAN ONLY IMPACT OUR CASES ADVERSELY.
UNFORTUNATELY IN THE HOLIDAY SEASON, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HAPPY AND CELEBRATING, BUT MANY THAT ARE NOT.
AND SOMETIMES CRIME INCREASES. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INCREASES.
AND ULTIMATELY MURDERS. AND I HOPE THAT IS NOT THE CASE THIS YEAR. BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE, I HOPE THAT THE CITIZENS WILL KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN ACCREDITED MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE THAT CAN HANDLE THAT AND AID US IN PROSECUTING THESE CASES AND GET US JUSTICE FOR THESE VICTIMS OF THIS CASE. SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD DO SO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ONLY HELP US TO DO OUR JOBS BETTER. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[2. In recognition of Veterans Day, November 11, 2022.]
>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO MOVING RIGHT BACK INTO ITEM H-2, RECOGNITION OF VETERANS DAY, NOVEMBER 11 WAS THE OFFICIAL DAY. WE WERE NOT IN COURT THAT WEEK, BUT HERE TO READ THE RESOLUTION IS BELINDA AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE WILL LIKE TO PEN FROM THE IT TO JJ, VETERANS SERVICE OFFICER.
>> WHEREAS ARMISTICE DAY PROCLAIMED BY WOODROW WILSON 1919, THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE SIGNING OF THE 11TH HOUR OF THE 11TH DAY OF THE 11TH MONTH OF 1918 OF THE ARMISTICE THAT BROUGHT AN END TO WHAT WOULD THEN HOPE THE WAR TO END ALL WARS. WHEREAS THE CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTION SIGNED BY PRESIDENT WILSON STATED THAT ARMISTICE DAY SHALL BE COMMEMORATED WITH THANKSGIVING, PRAYER AND EXERCISES DESIGNED TO PERPETUATE PEACE OF GOOD WILL AND UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN NATIONS. WHEREAS NOT WITHSTANDING
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PRESIDENT WILSON'S EFFORTS TO ENSURE LASTING PEACE, MANY BRAVE SOULS PERISHED IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR AND THE KOREAN WAR CAUSING ARMISTICE DAY TO BE NAMED AT VETERANS DAY IN 1954 IN HONOR OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN IN DEFENSE OF OUR NATION AND HER PEOPLE. WHEREAS WE AS AMERICANS ENJOY FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES TODAY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE SERVICE OF ALL OF OUR VETERANS WHO FOUGHT VALIANTLY IN THE SEAS, THE AIR AND FOREIGN SHORES TO ENSURE THAT FREEDOM.NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT RECOGNIZES NOVEMBER 11.
AND THOSE WHO PROTECTED OUR FREEDOM AND URGE ALL CITIZENS IN NUECES COUNTY TO JOIN THE COURT IN HONORING ALL VETERANS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED.
>> SECOND. IF JUDGE I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. AND JJ, WE HAVE SO MANY GOOD THINGS. I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD MAKE A COMMENT OF ALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING -- ANYTHING YOU WANT TOP SAY, BUT PARTICULARLY AT THE VETERANS CEMETERY. WE HAVE BEEN GETTING GREAT NEWS
FIRST AND FOREMOST ON BEHALF OF ALL THE VETERANS IN NUECES COUNTY. THANK THE COURT FOR ALWAYS SUPPORTING AND ACKNOWLEDGING VETERANS.
IT IS APPRECIATED. AND WE RECOGNIZE AND RESPECT IT.
SO WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS FAR AS THE VETERAN CEMETERY, WE HAVE BIG NEWS. WE DID GET -- AS I MENTIONED BEFORE IN COURT, WE DID GET A $5 MILLION GRANT TO EXPAND THE CEMETERY. WE HAD A MEETING THIS PAST MONDAY WITH THE VETERANS BOARD AND THE VA.
SO WE HAVE A PLAN NOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE WILL BE ERECTING 3094 NEW GRAVE SITES, PRESETS THEY ARE CALLED. INGROUND CASKET BURIAL AND 1394 IN-GROUND CREMATION PLOTS AND COLUMN BARRIER SPACES.
WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPANDING THE IN-GROUND CREMATION.
AND THAT SHOULD BE DONE IN A FEW MONTHS.
AND IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS HERE, YOU WILL SEE THE NEW GATE AND FENCE LINE COMPLETELY REDONE OVER AT THE VETERANS CEMETERY OVER $200,000 IN IMPROVEMENT MOVING FORWARD.
WE HAVE A LOT PLANNED FOR OUR CEMETERY AND THANK YOU THANK THE BOARD. GREAT PROGRESS THROUGHOUT THE CEMETERY. PREPARATION OF A VA INSPECTION IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR AND WE ARE PUSHING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE THAT WE NEED TO. THANK YOU, JUDGE AND
COMMISSIONERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY DISCUSSION FOR JJ? OKAY.
SEEING NO ONE TO RECOGNIZE KNEES, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR,
[3. In recognition of the month of November as "Alzheimer's Awareness Month".]
SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.THANK YOU. NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED A BBEAUTIFUL SEA OF PURPLE IN RECOGNITION OF THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER AS ALZHEIMER'S AWARENESS MONTH.
WE HAVE BEDINA GARZA FROM THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION AND BELINDA WHO WILL BE READING A RECOGNITION.
>> ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE, A PROGRESSIVE NEURODEGENERATIVE BRAIN DISORDER ROBS INDIVIDUALS OF THEIR MEMORIES AND LEAD TO PROGRESSIVE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL IMPAIRMENTS.
AND NO KNOWN TREATMENTS TO PREVENT, CURE AND DELAY THE ONSET AND SLOW THE PROGRESSION OF ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE.
AND AN ESTIMATED 6.5 MILLION AMERICANS LIVING WITH ALZHEIMER'S, INCLUDING 400,000 IN TEXAS.
WHEREAS, ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE IS THE SIXTH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE FIFTH LEADING CAUSE AMONG THE ELDERLY AND ACCORDING TO THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION'S FACTS AND FIGURES REPORT, THE DIRECT COST OF CARING FOR THOSE WITH ALZHEIMER'S TO AMERICAN SOCIETY IS VALUED AT $305 BILLION AND MORE THAN 16 MILLION CAREGIVERS PROVIDE 18.6 BILLION HOURS OF UNPAID CARE TO THOSE ALZHEIMER'S OR OTHER DEMENTIA.
AND IN TEXAS, OVER 1.4 MILLION FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS CARED FOR PEOPLE WITH ALZHEIMER'S AND OTHER DEMENTIA, PROVIDING 1.65 BILLION HOURS OF UNPAID CARE WITH THE ANNUAL VALUE OF THIS CARE GIVING TOTALING 21.6 BILLION.
AND WHEREAS, IN RECOGNITION OF THE INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, FRIENDS AND CAREGIVERS DEALING WITH ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE AND THE RESEARCHERS WHO WERE SEEKING A CAUSE OR CURE, AND WHEREAS, THE COUNTY RECOGNIZES THE EFFORTS OF THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION TO RAISE FUNDS AND PROMOTE AWARENESS TO FIGHT ALZHEIMER'S AND OTHER DEMENTIA BE THERE IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF HUMAN LIFE FOR THOSE LIVING WITH ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE AND THEIR CAREGIVERS. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY HEARBY RECOGNIZES
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NOVEMBER 16, 2022 AS ALZHEIMER'S AWARENESS MONTH IN NUECES COUNTY. I BELIEVE MISS PAT ELDRIDGEHERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION
POSS PASSAGE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
PAT, WELCOME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME. PLANNED CHESNEY FOR WEARING PURPLE. HE MUST HAVE GOTTEN THE MEMO.
I AM CO-CHAIR FOR THE FUNDRAISER FOR THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION AND WE APPRECIATE YOU GIVING YOUR TIME TO HEAR FACTS AND FIGURES ABOUT THIS DEADLY DISEASE.
EACH OF YOU HAVE A FLOWER IN YOUR PLACE.
THE COLORS ARE REPRESENTED BY PURPLE.
AND THAT IS, YOU HAVE LOST SOMEONE TO THE DISEASE.
ORANGE IN THAT YOU SUPPORT THE CAUSE.
YELLOW IN THAT YOU ARE A CAREGIVER OF SOMEONE WITH THIS DISEASE. AND BLUE, IF YOU ARE SUFFERING OR HAVE HAD A DIAGNOSIS OF THIS DISEASE.
OUR FUND RAISING GOES ON THROUGH THE MONTH OF NOV-- DECEMBER, SO.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE KATHLEEN CLARK WITH EDWARD JONES, THE LARGEST FUNDRAISER FOR THIS CAUSE IN THE UNITED
STATES, I BELIEVE. >> THANK YOU, PAT, IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE PARTNERING WITH YOU AND THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. MY NAME IS KATHLEEN CLARK.
I AM A CFP FINANCIAL ADVISOR WITH EDWARD JONES.
AT EDWARD JONES, OUR PURPOSE IS TO PARTNER FOR POSITIVE IMPACT, TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OUR AND OUR -- CLIENTS AND OUR COLLEAGUES AND TO BETTER OUR COMMUNITIES AND SOCIETY.
WE HAVE SINCE 19 -- OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS, WE HAVE PLEDGED -- WE HAVE PLEDGED TO SUPPORT -- WE HAVE RAISED $30 MILLION SO FAR. WE HAVE A TEN-YEAR SUPPORT PLEDGE TO RAISED 50 MILLION. THAT MAKES US THE LARGEST NATIONAL PRESENTING SPONSOR OF HISTORIC -- HISTORIC FUNDRAISER FOR THIS TERRIBLE DISEASE. ONE IN THREE SENIORS DIES WITH ALZHEIMER'S OR SOME OTHER DEMENTIA.
BETWEEN 2000 AND 2019, DEATH FROM HEART DISEASE DECREASED BY 7.3% WHILE DEATHS FROM ALZHEIMER'S INCREASED 145%.
IN 2020, COVID-19 CONTRIBUTED TO A 17% INCREASE IN ALZHEIMER'S AND DEMENTIA DEATHS. ACCORDING TO A RECENT EDWARD JONES SURVEY, ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE IS THE MOST FEARED HEALTH CONDITION OF LATER LIFE BY U.S. RETIREES.
MORE THAN CANCER, MORE THAN HEART ATTACK, MORE THAN COVID, AND MORE THAN STROKE. SUPPORTING THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION ALIGNS WITH OUR PURPOSE.
SINCE WE FIRST SIGNED ON IN 2016, MORE THAN 85,000 OF MY COLLEAGUES, CLIENTS, FRIENDS AND FAMILIES HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE WALK TO END ALZHEIMER'S THROUGH THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION. TOGETHER, WE HAVE RAISED MORE THAN $30 MILLION. OUR PLEDGE IS FOR $50 MILLION.
BY RALLIES OUR BRANCH TEAMS, OUR CLIENTS AND OUR COMMUNITIES TO JOIN IN THE LOCAL WALK TO END ALZHEIMER'S, WE ARE ABLE TO CHANNEL OUR COMBIENLDZ RESOURCES TOWARD PROVIDING FULL MISSION SUPPORT FOR THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION.
AND ENHANCING LOCAL CARE AND SUPPORT PROGRAMS. PROVIDING EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS. ADVANCING CRITICAL CARE RESEARCH. THROUGH THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION, YOUR DONATIONS, 78% GOES TO SUPPORT LOCAL PROGRAMS AND RESEARCH PROJECTS, INCLUDING $4 MILLION HERE IN SOUTH TEXAS.
WE HAVE A LOCAL CHAPTER HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ALONE.
GO TO ALZ.ORG AND THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE.
THANK YOU TO THE COURT FOR THIS -- FOR THIS DAY TODAY, THIS RECOGNITION. WE TRULY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, KATHLEEN. THANK YOU, SO MUCH, PAT, AND, OF COURSE, ALL OF YOUR FOLKS WHO ARE HERE.
I DON'T KNOW -- YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES YOU PLAY WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, BUT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU WEARING -- TOGETHER WE CAN END ALZHEIMER'S T-SHIRTS.
AND EVERYBODY WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, A LOVED ONE IN THIS SCENARIO, YOU KNOW JUST HOW PAINFUL IT CAN BE FOR THE CAREGIVERS.
SO I AM GLAD YOU EMPHASIZED THAT THESE PROGRAMS ARE NOT ONLY FOR THE -- FOR THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS FACING THE DISEASE, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CAREGIVERS -- CAREGIVING.
37 AND I LIKE YOUR SHIRT THE BEST BECAUSE IT SAYS WALK FOR MEMORY. CAN YOU IMAGINE YOUR MEMORIES
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NOT BEING THERE FOR YOU? I CAN, BECAUSE I WITNESSED THAT.AND IT STEALS A PART OF YOUR SOUL.
SO TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY THROUGH IS WHAT YOU ALL DO EVERY DAY. SO WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE IN FORCE. AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN THE COURTHOUSE THROUGHOUT THE MONTH WILL BE FANTASTIC.
SO I THINK THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ANYONE WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED? NO? OKAY.
WELL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THANK YOU.
THE RECOGNITION AND THE RESOLUTION PASSES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD WITH A PHOTO AND TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOME GOOD PUBLIC AWARENESS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
AS THEY SAY THE RIGHT KIND OF SOCIAL AWARENESS.
AND I THINK I CAN ANCHOR MYSELF SO I CAN STAND.
I'LL JUST HOLD ON. COMMISSIONER MAREZ HAS A VERSION OF PURPLE ON TOO. NOW SMILE FOR THE CAMERAS.
GRATEFUL. OH, THIS IS -- JOHN, THIS IS THE RECOGNITION. I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN SIGNED AND ATTESTED. IF YOU WILL GIVE THAT TO PAT.
[1. In recognition of David Falcon Silvas 32 years of service to Nueces County.]
OKAY. ALL RIGHT.AND SO NOW WE WILL TURN TO ITEM I.
A VERY SPECIAL CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION.
IN RECOGNITION SOMEONE GIVEN THREE DECADES OF SERVICE.
DAVID FALCON SILVAS. HE WORKS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND HAS GIVEN 32 YEARS OF SERVICE.
MR. SILVAS, I KNOW YOU ARE HERE TODAY TO BE RECOGNIZED.
ALLOW ME, SIR, TO RECOGNIZE YOU IN SEVERAL WAYS.
THE FIRST IS TO READ THE CERTIFICATE.
WE HEARBY EXPRESS OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION TO DAVID FALCON SILVAS. GRATEFUL RECOGNITION OF YOUR 32 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH NUECES COUNTY SIGNED NOVEMBER 16, 2022.
IT IS SIGNED BY ALL OF US HERE AT THE NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT. AND, OF COURSE, IT IS -- BUT A PIECE OF PAPER, BUT WE ALSO, WITH GRATITUDE, HAVE THE HONOR OF PRESENTING YOU WITH A BEAUTIFUL -- AND I AM GOING TO OPEN IT UP -- NUECES COUNTY GOLD WATCH THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU HERE TODAY. AND AS I SAID, IT IS -- IT IS A PIECE OF PAPER, BUT CONTAINED INSIDE THOSE WORDS IS TRULY THE GRATITUDE OF SO MANY PEOPLE, SO MANY DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS THAT YOU WORKED FOR. SO MANY DIFFERENT BOSSES AS THEY SAY ALONG THE WAY, BUT THROUGH IT ALL, YOU HAVE BEEN A GOOD AND
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FAITHFUL EMPLOYEE. AND FOR THAT, SIR, WE OWE YOU A GREAT DEBT OF GRATITUDE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WO WORDS?>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: ABSOLUTELY.
IT IS AN HONOR TO HAVE HAD YOU.
IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, WE HAVE THE ABILITY HERE TO PASS ON THIS BEAUTIFUL WATCH AND A CERTIFICATE.
WOULD YOU ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE -- IS IT WHY YOU ARE WIFE WHO IS WITH YOU? MRS. SILVAS, WE WOULD LIKE TO HONOR YOU AS WELL. NOBODY DOES THIS KIND OF WORK FOR AS LONG AS THEY DO WITHOUT THE LOVING SUPPORT OF THOSE WHO CARE FOR THEM AT HOME. AND I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SO MANY TIMES, I AM CERTAIN, YOU HAD TO GIVE MORE THAN YOU REALIZED AND THANKS TO HER YOU WERE ABLE TO DO SO GLADLY WITH A JOYFUL HEART. THANK YOU.
PLEASE LET US ACKNOWLEDGE YOU WITH A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ABSOLUTELY. THE L WATCH IS WATCHWATCH IS BE THANK YOU.
AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS. HARD EARNED.
AND WE ARE WISHING YOU THE BEST. YOU ARE TOO YOUNG.
YOU HAVE LOTS MORE OF A SECOND LIFE.
I BET YOUR WIFE HAS A LOT OF IDEAS FOR YOU.
[1. Discuss disaster preparedness and response, including matters related to COVID-19, Emergency Orders, severe weather, flooding, drainage, economic recovery, state and federal assistance, American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA), Emergency Rental Assistance Program (ERAP), and infrastructure status, and other related matters.]
SO AS EVERYONE TAKES THEIR SEAT, PIVOT TO LOUIE RAY WHO WILL COME IN FOR J-1 AND GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A OVERVIEW OF OUR GENERAL INFORMATION REPORT, WHICH REALLY JUST HANDLED ALL THINGSEMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. >> GOOD MORNING, COURT.
GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOOD MORNING.
>> START WITH THE WEATHER UPDATE FOR THIS WEEK.
THE HIGHS WILL BE AROUND 59 DEGREES.
OUR LOWS AROUND 40 DEGREES AS YOU CAN TELL FROM EVERYONE WEARING COATS AND SWEATERS WHICH COME INTO THE FALL SEASON.
GOOD AND BAD THING. OUR HEAT INDEX, WE DON'T HAVE A CURRENT HEAT INDEX RIGHT NOW SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WIND CHILL WILL BE LIKE FOR THIS WEEK AS WELL.
I AM STILL DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
THE DBI THAT IS FOR FIRE MANAGEMENT MINIMUM IS 86.
MAX IS 356. AND OUR AVERAGE IS 239.
WE ARE STILL UNDER STAGE 1 WATER RESTRICTIONS.
AND THERE IS NO TROPICAL STORM IN OUR AREA.
SOME THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON THROUGH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT NUECES COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM ALONG WITH THE COG, ALONG FIRE WILL BE HOSTING THE HAZMAT TECHNICIAN TRAINING STARTING 28TH NOVEMBER THROUGH # DECEMBER AT THE FIRE STATION NUMBER 2.
THERE WILL BE ICS 300 AND ICS 400 TRAINING HOSTED BY THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI. AND THEN THERE WILL BE A WIDE AREA SEARCH, WHICH IS GOING TO BE HOSTED BY THE COG.
AND THAT WILL HAPPEN ON THE 18TH THROUGH 20, JANUARY.
WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE A EVACUEE TRACING NETWORK TRAINING, E BENT TRAINING WHEN WE DO AN EVACUATION HOW WE TRACK FAMILIES. THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE 12TH OF DECEMBER. WE WILL MORPH INTO A TABLE TOP AND FUNCTIONAL EXERCISE FOR US IN ROBS TOWN.
THE LOCATION IS TO STILL BE DETERMINED HAPPENING ON THE AND 13TH OF TEASE. SOME THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT, THE FLU, 1199 FLU CASES FOR THIS SEASON AND LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME AROUND 239. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND THAT IS THE BRIEFING I HAVE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGE AT THIS
TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: LOUIE, ONLY BECAUSE WE JUST GOT AN UPDATE YESTERDAY.
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CAN YOU ADVISE US JUST FOR AWARENESS THAT THE ERAP PROGRAMAS THEY SAY IS ALIVE AND WELL. >> IT IS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ASSISTING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT -- A VERY BRIEF SITUATIONAL REPORT IN CASE THEY GET CALLS.
>> OKAY, JUDGE. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THROUGH ERAP SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. THE BETTER COMPONENTS OF THAT AND REBECCA ROCK IS THE POINT OF CONTACT FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
IF WE HAVE ALREADY PUT INFORMATION INTO A ERAP SYSTEM, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THEY GET SERVICE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T HAVE THE HARD NUMBERS OF HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS WE STILL HAVE REMAINING.
I CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS AND BRING THEM BACK DOWN.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR LOUIE AT THIS TIME FOR ANY OF THE PROGRAMS? I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO KIND OF AN END-OF-YEAR REPORT ON WHAT I CALL DISASTER RECOVERY OF WHERE WE ARE IN WINTER STORM AND COVID-19.
AND WILL GIVE YOU A HEADS UP AND THE COURT IN DECEMBER.
THAT WILL BE FANTASTIC. >> I WILL DO THAT, JUDGE.
WE HAVE STARTED OF THINKING OF DOING OF END OF THE YEAR REPORT FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE SOMETHING WE
WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AS WELL. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT.
THE WORK IS ONGOING. THANK YOU.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO -- IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
OKAY. SEEING THAT THERE ARE NO
[1. October 12, 2022 October 19, 2022 October 31, 2022 November 2, 2022]
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT ITEM, WE WILL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE FOLLOWING MIN MINUTES, K-1.OCTOBER 12, OCTOBER 19, OCTOBER 31 AND NOVEMBER 2.
AND I WOULDN'T MIND TAKING THEM INDIVIDUALLY OR I WOULDN'T MIND A MOTION THAT WAS CUMULATIVE. IS THERE A --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED.
>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION FOR
WHICH ONE? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL OF
THEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: 9 CUMULATIVE.
I HEARD A SECOND FROM HERNANDEZ. ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THESE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR
[1. Nueces County Emergency Service District #1]
SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.THEN I-1, NUECES COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT NUMBER 1. THAT IS -- I SAID I BECAUSE IT
LOOKED LIKE IT, BUT L. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT BASED ON THE POLICY OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT TO NOT MAKE BOARD APPOINTMENTS AT THIS POINT. FLORENCE HENDERSON SECOND IF.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT SO THAT PERSON KNOWS THERE IS AN AWARENESS THAT THERE WILL BE A HOLD -- IS IT A -- IS IT A VACANCY OR A HOLDOVER IN THIS CASE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I BELIEVE IT IS A VACANCY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: IS THERE SOMEBODY -- THAT IS WILLING -- IS IT VACANCY BECAUSE THEY -- THEY HAVE LEFT COMPLETELY OR CAN THEY STAY ON AS A HOLDOVER UNTIL -- IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THEY JUST
MOVING ON. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO ONE
IN THE SPOT. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOBODY AT ALL
IN THE SPOT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS WHAT THE BACK GROUND SAID. A MOTION FOR JANUARY 4.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL JUST -- >> JUDGE?
>>JUDGE CANALES: YES. >> SOMEONE IS ON LINE.
>> HER HAND UP BUT SEEMS TO BE DOWN NOW.
>> SORRY, KARA. THAT BOARD MEMBER HAD PASSED
AWAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: PASSED I HAVE A WAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNEW ON THE RECORD WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S AWARENESS, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A VACANCY FOUR OTHER MEMBERS. THE BOARD CAN FUNCTIONAL BE IT MIGHT BE A TIE ON CERTAIN THINGS AND IT CAN FUNCTION BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. TARA, I THINK IT IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA FOR COMMUNICATION IF YOU AND IDAI WILL LET THE APPLICANTS KNOW TODAY THAT NOTHING WAS DECIDED BECAUSE IT WILL BE DECIDED UPON IN THE JANUARY MEETING.
[2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]
OKAY. ALL RIGHT.LET ME DO THIS. I LOST MY PEN.
OKAY. SO NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE A FEW THAT NEED TO IT BE DEALT WITH SEPARATELY. SO I WILL TAKE J OUT.
AND W. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?
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>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: L AND O.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ANYTHING ELSE? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: K --
HOLD ON -- R. >> I NEED TO TABLE THOSE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: HANG ON ONE SECOND, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: S. >>JUDGE CANALES: Q AS IN QUEEN.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: U AS IN UNCLE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S TAKE THEM IN ORDER. I AM ASKING FOR THE COURT TO CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL REMAINING ITEMS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED JUDGE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[J. Authorize agreement pertaining to Westlaw with Thomson Reuters, related to online legal research access, for use by judges. ]
OPPOSED SAME SIGN. ITEM NUMBER J.IT SAYS AUTHORIZE AN AGREEMENT PERTAINING TO WEST LAW WITH THOMAS REUTERS FOR ONLINE RESEARCH IN TERMS OF JUDGES.
MY REQUEST COMES FROM THE BOARD OF JUDGES WHICH THEY HAVE TO APPROVE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF JUDGES APPROVAL AND IT CAN GO ON STRAIGHT FROM THERE.
I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING THIS WEEK.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY -- I DIDN'T HAVE ANY BACK-UP ON THIS ITEM SO I DON'T KNOW -- IT LOOKS FINE BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY BACK-UP IN THE AGE
AGENDA. >>JUDGE CANALES: CAN YOU ANSWER
THAT FOR HIM. >> JUST HAVE THE DESCRIPTION OF HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO BE FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, COMMISSIONER.
ON THE BACK GROUND. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO
CONTRACT YET. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE BOARD OF
JUDGES -- >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: WAIT A
SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: COMING
OUT OF GENERAL FUND. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
THE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEIR MONIES ARE PART OF THE GENERAL
FUND? >> PART OF THE BUDGET, THAT'S
CORRECT. >>JUDGE CANALES: SOMETHING WE DO
EVERY YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: GONE UP QUITE A BIT AND SHORT IN THE BUDGET.
>> BETWEEN THE BUDGET. SO NOT GOING TO BE ANY FISCAL
IMPACT. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
WE CAN ALWAYS BRING IT BACK AFTER OUR MEETING ON THE 22ND.
WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 22ND. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THIS AGREEMENT, AGAIN, SUBJECT TO.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE OTHER BOARD OF JUDGES APPROVAL.
THANK YOU. A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL TO HE WAS IN
[K. Approve method of procurement (request for competitive bids) for School Land Lease; and authorize the Purchasing Agent to publish a notice.]
FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OKAY.NOW MICHAEL IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON ITEM K.
AND ALSO ITEM L AND LET'S START WITH THOSE.
IT IS AN IMPROVED METHOD OF PROCUREMENT, REQUEST FOR COMPETITIVE BID FOR SCHOOL LAND, LEASE AND AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASING AGENT TO PUBLISH A NOTICE.
MICHAEL -- >> CAN I ADD SOME BACK GROUND BECAUSE COME FUSION WHAT THIS IS.
THIS IS A BID WE DO REGULARLY. CURRENTLY PRIESTLY FARMS HAVE IS THE LEASE FOR HUNTING AND GRAZING PURPOSES ONLY.
THAT LEASE IS EXPIRING FEBRUARY 28.
SO TIME TO REBID SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE CONTINUITY OF THE CARE AND MANAGEMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.
I TOURED THAT PROPERTY WHEN I FIRST GOT INTO THE PURCHASING AGENT OFFICE WITH JASON O TT AND HE TOOK ME ON A WHOLE TWO-HOUR TOUR OF THAT LAND. ANYWAY, HE HAD COMMENTED AT THAT TIME THAT PRIESTLY HAD BEEN DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY AND THAT HAS IMPROVED WHILE UNDER THEIR CARE. SO ANYWAY, WE ARE AT THE END OF THIS CYCLE AND I NEED TO REBID FOR THE NEXT ROUND.
THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING HERE. THIS WILL BE A REQUEST FOR COMPETITIVE BID. A LOW BID SITUATION, IFB.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED, JUDGE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I WILL MAKE THE SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FOR MICHAEL ON ITEM K? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR
SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, WERE THERE, FF AND GG THAT NEEDED TO BE PULLED.
I APOLOGIZE. THOSE NEED TO BE TABLED BY THE
[L. Approve method of procurement (request for proposals) for Disaster Recovery Management.]
GENERAL MANAGER. GIVE.>>JUDGE CANALES: GIVE ME A SECOND.
I AM MARKING THEM NOW. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH MICHAEL ON
ITEM NUMBER L. >> SO, JUDGE, ON ITEM L, I ASKED IDAY TO TABLE THIS ITEM. IT IS NOT PROPERLY WRITTEN AND NEEDS TO HAVE AN ORDER ATTACHED WHICH IT DOES NOT HAVE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I INQUIRED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY TOO.
BUT DO YOU MIND JUST FOR THE AWARENESS BECAUSE IT WILL HELP EVERYBODY WHEN IT COMES BACK. WILL YOU SHARE WITH EVERYBODY THIS WILL BE FOR THE NEXT -- I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THE NEXT
CRISIS. >> MY UNDERSTANDING FROM LOUIE RAY IS THAT THIS IS THAT SERVICE THAT IS A PREPOSITIONED
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CONTRACT. THE COUNTY DOES NOT USE THE SERVICES UNLESS THERE IS A DISASTER EVENT AND UNLESS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE DETERMINES THAT THEY NEED THAT SERVICE. AND I BELIEVE THEY ALSO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH GRANTS ON THIS -- ON THIS SERVICE.SO THAT IS A DECISION THAT IS UP TO THE COURT AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THAT. BUT THE CURRENT CONTRACT WITH HAGGERTY IS THE CURRENT PROVIDER.
THEIR CONTRACT IS EXPIRING AT THE ENDS OF FEBRUARY, I THINK FEBRUARY 23. AND LOUIE IS INQUIRING BECAUSE OF THE TIMING WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MONTHS.
IF WE WANT TO HAVE CONTINUITY. AND IT OPENS UP TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COMPETE FOR THAT SERV
SERVICE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND UPON IT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.
AGAIN, LET'S SAY TOMORROW TRAGICALLY THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER WILDFIRE, OKAY. THERE WILL BE A DISASTER DECLARATION BY THE GOVERNOR [SNEEZING] -- GOD BLESS YOU. -- AND ISSUED BY THE COUNTY.
THAT IS NOT COVERED -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ENFORCED UNTIL FEBRUARY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME BACK UP AGAIN.
YOU CAN ASK QUESTION HERE, OF MICHAEL IF -- IF THERE WERE TO BE ANOTHER DISASTER, NO MATTER OF FACTOR WHAT THAT DISASTER IS.
UNDER THE EMERGENCY RULES, YOU COULD BRING IN ANYBODY YOU NEEDED TO BRING IN. ; HOWEVER, THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO PREPOSITION FOR A DISASTER RECOVERY MANAGEMENT GROUP FOR YOUR NEXT DRY SIS. SO WE HAVE UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT IF THOSE SERVICES BEING HANDLED FOR WINTER STORM AND FOR COVID-19. THOSE ARE THE TWO DISASTERS THAT ARE STILL RECEIVING SERVICES. THINK OF IT AS PAST CRISIS.
THE CURRENT THIS WOULD BE FOR WHATEVER SADLY WOULD SOME OUR WAY NEXT AND BETTER TO PREPOSITION IT SO THAT YOU KNOW ALL OF THE PAPERWORK IS DONE IN ADVANCE.
IT IS ALWAYS TERRIBLE DURING A CRISIS TO HAIR SOMEBODY IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRISIS BECAUSE THE PAPERWORK COMES LATER.
>> BASICALLY KIND OF A SAFETY NET FOR THE COUNTY, IF WE NEED THE SERVICES, WE CAN EMPLOY THEM.
IF WE DON'T NEED THE SERVICES, WE DON'T HAVE TO TURN IT ON.
IT GETS TURNED ON BY A WORK AUTHORIZATION APPROVED BY THE
COUNTY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WILL
SECOND THE TABLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS WILL BE TO, AGAIN -- FOR ANY FUTURE CRISIS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS IS JUST FOR THE PROCUREMENT.
NOT AWARDING ANYTHING AND TAKE A PERIOD OF TIME TO COME BACK.
AND WHATEVER -- TO DECEMBER 7 OR 14.
WHATEVER YOU NEED. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT DO YOU NEED, MICHAEL. CAN YOU BRING IT BACK ON THE
7TH? >> I CAN BRING IT BACK WHENEVER
THE COURT LIKES. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SAY BRING IT BACK. WILL TAKE 60 DAYS.
>> I WOULD SAY -- WHEN I SAY WHENEVER THE COURT LIKES, I ALSO SAY THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A WINDOW OF TIME WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SERVICES AND IF THE COUNTY NEEDS THOSE SERVICES, WE WILL HAVE TO
FALL BACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON AN EMERGENCY
CONTRACT. >> AN EMERGENCY CONTRACT BY IS NOT THE PROPER WAY. DOESN'T HELP US GET REIMBURSED.
THIS CONTRACT IF WE PUT IT OUT THE REQUIREMENTS.
I WORKED IT OUT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND REWRITTEN HOW WE DO ALL OF THOSE BIDS WHEN IT INCLUDES THOSE AFFECTED BY
FEDERAL FUNDING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO TABLE FOR THE 7TH. BRING IT BACK BECAUSE WILL TAKE
60 DAYS AFTER. >> THERE IS A PROCESS THERE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A BIG PROCESS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TABLE UNTIL DECEMBER 7 TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH IT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS GREAT. THAT WAY MICHAEL CAN GET THE PROPER ORDER. AND DO ALL OF THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD IT IS SORT OF A DIFFERENT -- A MECHANISM TO CONTINUE WORKING COVID -- WINTER STORM IS WHEN LOUIE ALSO COMES ON THE 7TH, HE WILL GIVE YOU A SYNOPSIS, BUT WINTER STORM IS DONE.
IT IS REALLY JUST COVID-19 THAT IS BEING WORKED ON FOR SERVICES ON PREVIOUS CRISIS AND A MECHANISM TO CONTINUE THOSE SERVICES. THIS WILL BE FOR GOD FORBID, WHATEVER HAPPENS NEXT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL TO HE WAS IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AND AGAIN, IT WILL BE FOR THE 7TH, KARA.
[O. Authorize execution of Amendment No. 1 with B & B Restaurant Group LLC, dba Shoreline Sandwich Company RFP No. 3114-19.]
ITEM NUMBER O. STICK AROUND A FEW MORE OF THESE WILL BE YOURS. AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF AMENDMENTNUMBER 1. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WAS
>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ PULLED O.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THIS WENT FROM $500 TO $540.
>> YES, SIR. SO ACCORDING TO PUBLIC WORKS AND ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACT, THE CONTRACT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO GO
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AGAINST THE CPI INCREASE AND WE CAN RAISE THE RENT WE CHARGE FOR THE SHORELINE TO HELP THOSE SERVICES.REVIEWED THAT WITH PUBLIC WORKS. THEY REVIEWED AND BASED ON THE CPI WILL MOVE IT FROM 500 TO 540 PER MONTH.
AND THIS WILL ALSO -- WE ARE AT THE END OF THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF THAT CONTRACT AND TWO ADDITIONAL ONE-YEAR TERM AND A
ONE-YEAR RENEWAL OF SERVICES. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY ARE NOT DELINQUENT OR BEHIND PAYMENTS OR ANYTHING?
>> I WILL REFER TO PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR ON THAT.
PUBLIC WORKS THE ONE THAT I WROTE ON HERE RECOMMEND APPROVAL
OF. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WANT TO
MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT -- >> I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTARY FROM PUBLIC WORKS ON THIS.
I BELIEVE WE ARE GOOD TO GO. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO MOV MOVED.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
[R. Approve BuyBoard Contract No. 597-19 purchase with Cooper Equipment for 2023 3500 Gallon Etnyre Water Sprinkler for Public Works.]
I WILL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION.ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MICHAEL STAY STILL, COOPER EQUIPMENT FOR A 3500 GALLON -- I THINK THE PROPER WAY TO SAY IT -- IS IT, ENTIRE WATER SPRINKLER. ETNAR.
. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY UNDERSTANDING THIS MIGHT NEED TO BE TABLED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY
OR SOMEBODY? >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WANT TO REVIEW IT?
>> YES, PLEASE. THE CONTRACTS HELP US TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE PURCHASING CONTRACTS, BUT STILL A LARGE CONTRACT THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DECEMBER 14 OR 7TH.
>> THE 14TH IS MORE LIKELY GIVEN ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE
LOOKING AT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
>>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: IS THIS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN TALK IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO GET CLARIFIED BECAUSE A ROUTINE PURCHASE THAT PUBLIC WORKS MAKES FOR THEIR EQUIPMENT.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHY DO WE NEED EXECUTIVE SESSION.
>> I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHE JUST HAVEN'T REVIEWED THE CONTRACT IS WHAT SHE IS SAYING.
YOU HAVEN'T REVIEWED -- SHE IS NOT READY TO SIGN OFF OF ON IT
FROM A LEGAL DIDN'T. >> COMMISSIONERS -- JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING. IN REGARDS TO THE EQUIPMENT, I KNOW THAT -- ON THE WATER TANK, WE ARE IN NEED OF THE WATER TANK. AND ALSO ON THE CRACK SEALOR.
THIS THE TIME WE DO CR CRACK SEALING ON THE ROADS DURING THE COOLER MONTHS. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN PUT IT ON THE -- WITH THE APPROVAL ON THE NEXT.COMMISSIONERS COURT AGENDA.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WHY DON'T WE APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW OF THE -- TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S FINE.
I MEAN, I THINK WHAT THE POLICY IS THAT WE ARE MAKING THE POLICY DECISION TO PROCURE, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO MAKING THE POLICY DECISION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACT IS IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. BUT I THINK TODAY TODAY WE WANT TO BUY IT. AND YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO WORK THE CONTRACT WHEN IT IS -- WHEN IT IS DONE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CONTINGENT SUBJECT TO THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY'S APPROVAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: REMIND US BECAUSE WE ALWAYS DO THIS. THIS PRODUCT COMES FROM WHICH
FUNDING SOURCE? >> THE PUBLIC WORKS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE PUBLIC WORKS GF FUND.
JUST TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING
[S. Approve Sourcewell Contract No. 080521-CFC purchase with Crafco Inc. for Super Shot 125 DC (Crack sealer equipment) for Public Works.]
AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.THAT WILL HELP YOU WITH THE SPEED OF GETTING WHAT YOU NEED.
MICHAEL STAY STILL, ITEM S THAT WAS PULLED.
>> THE SAME SORRY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE CRAFT SEALER EQUIPMENT FROM CRAFTCO AND APPROVE THE CONTRACT 08251.
ALL BUY BOARD TYPE PURCHASES, CORRECT?
>> KOORN -- COOPERATIVE AND THE CONTRACT FOR JUAN TO UTILIZE FOR THIS PURCHASE. AND LIKE I SAID, IF THE COURT WILL REPROVE IT SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
I WILL MOVE TO DO THAT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MOVE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH.
I WILL SECOND IT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I CAN
SECOND IT JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: DOESN'T MATTER.
[U. Approve Buyboard contract No. 649-21 purchase with Gulf Coast Paper Company (janitorial supplies for the NC Main Jail and McKinzie Jail Annex) Fiscal Year 2022-2023.]
ANYBODY WITH OTHER INFORMATION? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ONE MORE, GULF COAST JANITORIAL AND BUY BOARD CONTRACTS. ALL OF THESE BUY BOARD CONTRACTS HAVE STATE OF TEXAS CONTRACT LANGUAGE.ONE THING I WILL ASK YOU, JENNY, IS IT MUST HAVE BEEN TOUGH TO CHANGE THESE CONTRACTS BECAUSE APPROVED BY THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. HAVE YOU HAD SOME SUCCESS DOING
THAT? >> WHAT WE HAVE IS PROBLEMS BEFORE WHEN WE DIDN'T VERY VIEW THE THINGS AND DETRIMENT TO THE
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COUNTY, SO WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ATTEMPT IT.EVERY TIME THERE IS A CONTRACT TO DIG AND FIND ALL THE TERMS SO WE CAN REPRESENT TO THE COURT WHAT THOSE TERMS ARE SUFFICIENT.
>> IN FAIRNESS WITH JENNY'S OFFICE, I HAVE INUNDATED HER OFFICE WITH 25 CONTRACTS FOR HER TO REVIEW IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
A LOT OF WORK GOING ON AND I KNOW A HEAVY LIFT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I APPRECIATE IT, MICHAEL, THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS A MIDWESTY LIFT. I JUST KNOW THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS, THEY ARE JUST NOT GOING TO CHANGE THESE CONTRACTS VERY EASILY. THAT IN FACT I NEVER SEEN ONE CHANGED, BUT I HEAR ABOUT THE TERMS. AND IF YOU, AT LEAST, NEED TO SAY TO YOURSELF OR SAY TO THE COURT, HEY, GUESS WHAT, A GREAT DEAL FOR YOU TO DO IT QUICKLY AND YOU NEED TO RECOGNIZE IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRODUCT HERE ARE THEIR WARRANTIES. RIGHT.
I THINK IT IS LESS OF CHANGING THE CONTRACT THAN IT IS AWARENESS AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT.
SO WE WILL JUST SEE THIS BACK, BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW WE CAN GO FORWARD. IF YOU THINK THERE IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CATASTROPHIC. BUT, IT'S HARD FOR DO BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DOING BUY BOARD TYPE CONTRACTS ON
EQUIPMENT. >> I WOULD SAY I HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH JENNY AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH COOPERATIVE CONTRACTS IN GENERAL BUT WHEN WE HAVE A VENDOR WHO WANTS TO ADD ADDITIONAL TERM LANGUAGE IN
THEIR QUOTES THEY GIVE TO US. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS
DIFFERENT. >> AN AREA WHERE JENNY HAS TO GO
THROUGH THOSE ITEMS. >>JUDGE CANALES: UNDERSTOOD.
LET'S DO THIS ONE AS A -- AGAIN, THE SAME LANGUAGE, KARA, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH GULF COAST PAPER.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND A SECOND.
AND I WILL ALSO TELL YOU IN DISCUSSION THAT GULF COAST PAPERS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING SUPPLIES FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND
YEARS. >> ALWAYS PROVIDING US SUPPLIES
BEFORE I GOT HERE IN 2008. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN WEIGH THAT IN. I HATE -- I KNOW SOME MORE THAN OTHERS THAT WILL REALLY NEED YOUR ATTENTION.
ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE SEEN THIS CONTINUUM OF WORK
WHERE WE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE. >> I DID WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT THIS AS A SUCCESS STORY FOR A LOCAL VENDOR. GULF COAST PAPER HAS BEEN A VENDOR OF THE COUNTY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THE VOLUME OF THIS PURCHASE EXCEEDS $50,000 A YEAR.
SO THEY NEED TO BE BID OUT. WELL, I REACHED OUT TO THEM AND ASKED THEM TO PARTICIPATE ON THE BUY BOARD.
THEY SIGNED UP ON THE BUY BOARD. WHEN THE PIE BOARD PUT OUT A CONTRACT FOR THIS WORK. THEY PARTICIPATED BY SUBMITTING A PROPOSAL. THEY RECENTLY WON AN AWARD FROM THE BUY BOARD FOR THESE SERVICES HAPPENING FOR OTHER LOCAL VENDOR S PLEASE DIRECT THEM TO MY OFFICE TO PUT THEM IN TOUCH WITH THOSE FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP IT HERE IN THE COUNTY. THANK YOU.
>> JUDGE CANALES, A QUESTION? >>JUDGE CANALES: YES.
>> CONTINGENT UPON . >>JUDGE CANALES: PER THE COUNTY
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE SAME, EXACTLY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THAT 64291 WITH GULF COAST PAPER. SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. WITH THOSE CONTINGENCIES.
>> WHEN YOU SEE IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS GIVE YOURSELF JUST FOR THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ALL THESE FOLKS, TRY TO DO IT WITHIN THE 30-DAY PERIOD.
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY.
AS -- AS MENTIONED, THERE HAVE BEEN -- WE HAVE BEEN INUNDATED WITH CONTRACTS AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE WILL MOVE THAT UP IN PRIORITY, BUT THEN THE COURT WILL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OTHER CONTRACTS WILL MOVE DOWN
IN PRIORITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT.
[W. Approve application procedure for the following Boards: 1. Port of Corpus Christi Authority 2. Christus Spohn Board of Trustees 3. Nueces County Beach Management Advisory Committee 4. Nueces County Child Welfare Board 5. Nueces County Coastal Parks Board 6. Nueces County Emergency Service District #1 7. Nueces County Emergency Service District #2 8. Nueces County Emergency Service District #3 9. Nueces County Emergency Service District #4 10. Nueces County Emergency Service District #6 11. Nueces County Historical Commission 12. Nueces County representative on the Corpus Christi Regional Economic Development Corporation]
ITEM W, APPROVE THE APPLICATIONING PROCEDURE FOR THE FOLLOWING BOARDS. I PULLED THIS ITEM TO HONOR COMMENTS THAT MIKE CULBERTSON BROUGHT FORTH AS THE CCRDC DIRECTOR AND WOULD ASK THAT THE COURT CONSIDER ALLOWING THE PREVIOUS CONSIDERATION OF THE POLICY THAT STATES THAT A COMMISSIONER AND COUNTY JUDGE CANNOT SERVE ON A BOARD WITH BYLAWS ARE NOT STATUTELY REQUIRED.I MADE MENTION OF THIS WHEN THE POLICY WAS PASSED.
NOW WE ARE HEARING FROM THE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY RUNS THE ORGANIZATION. AND GIVEN THAT IT IS NOT MYSELF THAT WOULD BE SERVING, I WOULD ASK THESE COMMISSIONERS TO DO
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THE RIGHT THING BY NUECES COUNTY AND RECONSIDER AND ALLOW THE COUNTY JUDGE-ELECT, SOON TO BE COUNTY JUDGE SCOTT IN JANUARY TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. NOT ONLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT THE MOST BUSINESS SAVVY THING TO DO.AND A COUNTY JUDGE HAS A HUGE ROLE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, A HUGE ROLE IN UNDERSTANDING THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE SIGNED. TECHNICALLY WHOEVER YOU HAVE ON THERE CANNOT EVEN TELL THE COUNTY JUDGE ANYTHING THAT IS GOING CONTINUE TO WHICH MAKES NO SENSE.
THE POLICY MADE NO SENSE OTHER THAN TO -- IT MADE NO SENSE.
AND I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND I WILL ASK THERE BE RECONSIDERATION -- I WILL ASK THAT THERE BE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 1-11 AS THE APPLICATION PROCEDURES HAVE NOT
CHANGE. >>
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WOULD THINK, JUDGE, IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY JUDGE AND OR A DESIGNEE FROM -- AS RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY JUDGE TO BE THERE WHEN THE JUDGE CANNOT BE THERE.
AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NOT ONLY THE JUDGE CAN SIGN OFF ON UNTIL IT COMES OFF TO COURT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE BEING THE DESIGNEE, BUT THE JUDGE MIGHT WANT TO ALSO HAVE A DESIGNEE IN HER PLACE TO GO TO THOSE MEETINGS INSTEAD OF THE COUNTY JUDGE. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO BECAUSE YOU ARE THE JUDGE AND YOU ARE PART OF THAT. I MEAN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE JUDGE NEEDS TO DECIDE HERSELF WHERE SHE WANTS TO GO.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK MIKE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
WE DON'T HAVE DESIGNEES. BASICALLY TAKE ATTENDANCE AND ONLY THE ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL CAN BE PRESENT.
NOT ABOUT SIGNING ANYTHING. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IF WE PUT IT HERE IN WRITING ON NUMBER 1 12. CAN'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT
THE JUDGE, YOU KNOW. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BEFORE
MIKE SPEAKS TO IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: HOLD ON.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE
MY HAND UP OF. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL LETTING COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ FINISH. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, LET'S ME
INTRODUCE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS GOING TO PULL THIS FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE COUNTY JUDGE HASN'T ALWAYS SERVED ON THERE. I DID FOR TWO TO ARE THREE YEARS. CAROLYN BOND.
NOT ALWAYS THE COUNTY JUDGE RESPECTFULLY.
WHOEVER THE COURT HAS DEEMED TO DO IT COMMISSIONER PUSLEY.
YOUR STATEMENTS IS INCORRECT. NOT ALWAYS THE COUNTY JUDGE.
I WAS GOING TO PULL IT BECAUSE INAPPROPRIATE TO OPEN THIS ONE UP RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A POLICY RELATED TO THIS IF THE COURT AT A LATER DATE WANTS TO REVIEW OR RE-REVIEW THE POLICY. DECIDED IN THE POLICY COUNTY MANAGER OR THE COUNTY MANAGER DESIGNEE.
THE POLICY WE PASSED SOME TIME BACK AND NOT FOR TODAY.
I AGREE WITH PULLING THIS, BUT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO OPEN UP THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY SAID WHO IS GOING TO SERVE.
UNTIL WE CHANGE THAT, WE CAN CHANGE IT AT A LATER DATE AND THAT WILL BE THE COUNTY MANAGER. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA. I WAS GOING TO PULL IT FOR A DIFFERENT REASON. I DO AGREE WITH PULLING IT AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION LATER. BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MAKE, WE ALL -- THERE HAS BEEN PLENTY OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
AND JUDGES WHO SERVED ON THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST AS A MATTER OF -- I DON'T REMEMBER IT.
I THINK THE POLICY SAID THAT NO COMMISSIONER OR COUNTY JUDGE CAN SERVE. SO YOU ARE RIGHT THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A POLICY CHANGE, BUT BY PULLING IT, WE CAN HONOR THAT. AND ALSO I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT JUDGE NEAL WAS ILL DURING THOSE PERIODS OF TIME AND --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S CORRECT. I WENT TO HIM AND ASKED HIM TO DO IT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT WANTING.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I KNOW YOU WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BECAUSE IT IS NOT CORRECT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, COMMISSIONER
CHESNEY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HE WAS UNCOMFORTABLE GOING. HE WASN'T GOING WONDERFUL AND I WENT TO ASK HIM IF HE COULD SERVE IN THAT PLACE AND HE WAS NOT ILL WHEN I WENT TO ASK HIM THOSE QUESTIONS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY RATE, I THINK THERE IS A WILL TO NOT DO IT AT THIS TIME, WHICH MEANS I WILL STAY OBVIOUSLY THROUGH
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DECEMBER 31. AND THE REASON I THOUGHT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT SUSPECT BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. AND THERE WAS A SELECTION COMMITTEE AND MAKES THINGS VERY COMPLICATED TO NOT KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT DECISION.YOU ARE REALLY NOT LETTING NUECES COUNTY HAVE A VOICE.
YOUR NEW EDC WITHOUT A PERSON TO SERVE.
SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE THE COUNTY JUDGE, JUDGE ELECT-SCOTT KNOWING SHE CAN SERVE SO THAT SHE CAN WEIGH IN LIKE THE OTHER COUNTY JUDGE AND THE OTHER COUNTY MAYORS ARE WEIGHING IN ON THE EDC DIRECTOR. HAVING SAID THAT, WE HAVE EXPRESSED OUR OPINIONS. AND I THINK WE WILL MOVE ON.
WE WILL JUST -- FOR DIFFERENT REASONS WE ARE PULLING THE -- THERE IS A MOTION THAT I MADE. I WILL REAMEND IT JUST TO SAY THAT THE NUECES COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE TO IT THE CORPUS CHRISTI REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THAT
THAT BE PULLED UNTIL -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: UNTIL WHAT DAY. >> JANUARY 4.
>>JUDGE CANALES: JANUARY 4. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MOTION TO PASS 1-11, JUDGE, W, 1-11.
>>JUDGE CANALES: FORGIVE ME. LET ME ASK MIKE A QUICK QUESTION. GO BACK, MIKE.
IF WE DON'T EVEN OPEN IT UP UNTIL JANUARY 4, WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR SEAT? IS MY EXPIRATION.
WILL I STAY AS A HOLD OVER? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO,
JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THIS. EXCUSE ME -- EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU RIGHTS -- I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU IN JUST A MOMENT. MIKE, THE EXPIRATION OF MY TERM IS WHAT I AM SAYING, JANUARY 3 -- JANUARY 1?
>> OUR BYLAWS SAYS A DESIGNEE OF NUECES COUNTY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: BUT THE DESIGNEE.
WHAT IS MY TERM EXPIRATION. >> THERE IS NO -- IT ACTUALLY HAS -- ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN SERVE THE EXPIRATION OF THEIR
TERM. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, SO WOULD BE DECEMBER 31 THEN. THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET TO. BY DOING THIS, YOU ARE LEAVING NUECES COUNTY WITH NO VOTE AND NO VOICE.
WE CAN TAKE THIS UP AGAIN IN DECEMBER, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO HAVE A COMMENT? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, MA'AM. THE POLICY CONTEMPLATED THAT.
YOU WOULD FINISH YOUR TERM THROUGHOUT END OF DECEMBER.
WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND CONTEMPLATED THAT THE COUNTY'S DESIGNEE STARTING JANUARY 1 WOULD BE THE COUNTY MANAGER.
WE ARE NOT LEAVING ANYONE WITHOUT A VOICE.
WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITHIN THE POLICY DISCUSSION.
THE POLICY WAS VERY CLEAR. YOU ARE ASKED ARE YOU TRYING TO KICK ME OFF. I SAID NO, YOU CAN FINISH YOUR TERM THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
THE NEW TERM WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER.
THE DISCUSSION HAD IN HERE. SO STARTING JANUARY 1, MR. HERNANDEZ WILL BE OUR DESIGNEE PER OUR POLICY AND BY THE COURT PREVIOUS LEAVE IN THIS COURT. THERE IS NO VOID WHATSOEVER IF THEN THE COURT WANTS TO PUT IT BACK ON.
I WAS GOING TO TABLE THIS INDEFINITELY TO SEE IF IT NEEDED TO COME BACK ON BECAUSE IF THE COURT WANTS TO PUT IT BACK ON FOR DISCUSSION TO REVISIT THAT, WE CAN.
BUT WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
AND MISS HERNANDEZ WILL BE OUR DESIGNEE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
WHEN WE VOTED ON THAT PARTICULARLY.
I HAVE A CONCERN. THERE IS EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS.
THAT IS YOUR CITY MANAGER, YOUR STAFF TYPICALLY.
YOU DO NOT HAVE SERVING AS EX-OFFICIO.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AS I AM RIGHT NOW, THOSE ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS. YOU DON'T HAVE THE CITY MANAGERS, SERVING AS THE CITY REPRESENTATIVE ACCORDING TO YOUR WEB SITE, WHICH I AM ASSUMING IS EX-OFFICIO.
I AM NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT IDAY THERE BECAUSE IN FACT HAVING HER THERE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE ADDED ON. BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE AND HAS BEEN ALWAYS ELECTED OFFICIAL. YOU LOOK AT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, MAYOR GUAJARDO. COUNCILMAN GREG SMITH AND A COUPLE OF APPOINTMENTS. SAN PATRICIO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM AND MIGHT BE A DAY WHEN I
SAID YES, YES, YES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO, YOU
VOTED AGAIN IT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I WAS -- I WAS -- I HAD CLARITY, GOOD. SO I THINK THAT IS A POD POLICY.
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I DON'T THINK WE WILL PUT A STAFF MEMBER TO REPRESENT US EITHER IF NOT THE COUNTY JUDGE. IF SHE DOES NOT WANT IT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE A COMMISSIONER. TO PUT STAFF OWNERSHIP HOPE THAT, MIKE, YOU WELCOME IDAY TO BE AN EX-OFFICIO SO WE HAVE SOMEONE THERE REPRESENTING THE COUNTY'S INTEREST.BUT I AGREE, AN IMPORTANT TIME TO BE GOING IN A SELECTION PROCESS FOR US TO NOT HAVE A VOTE ON THAT BOARD IS LEAVING US OUT OF VERY IMPORTANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DECISION.
SO LOOK AT THE WEB SITE, AND YOU WILL SEE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THERE. AND WE WILL BE -- WE WILL BE JUST KEEPING IN ORDER WITH THE WAY THE APPOINTMENTS ARE, THE EMPLOYEES. SO I DON'T -- I DODON'T.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COME BACK ON JANUARY 1, THE PURPOSE
OF THE TABLE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: AS LONG AS
WE ARE NOT MISSING ON THE VOTE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE MISSING OUTS ON THE SELECTION. WE ARE ALREADY IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, MIKE.
AND YOU CAN VIES IDAY, BUT IT IS NOT -- WE ARE TRYING TO DO ALL THE GOOD TRANSITIONS. THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE A LITTLE BUMPIER BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIRING AND I WAS HOPING TO TRANSFER THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE TO THE NEW COUNTY JUDGE WHO WILL BE WORKING EVERY SINGLE DAY IN THIS REALM.
AND IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE. BUT, AGAIN, WE AT LEAST AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PULL IT. AND WE WILL STAY ON THOSE SELECTION COMMITTEES UNTIL THE VERY END OF DECEMBER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> FOR THE TABLE TO 12 FOR
JANUARY 4. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S WHAT
THEY WANT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY DID
THAT ONE AND A SECOND -- >> YOU DIDN'T VOTE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVEN'T VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MAKE A MOTION FROM W 1-11 TO PASS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND A SECOND AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THE NEXT ONE I HAD WAS NOT RECOGNIZED EARLIER BUT OUT OF COURTESY, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THAT YOU WANT THERE TO BE DISCUSSION OF FF AND GG.
IS IT A QUESTION OR DOES IT NEED TO BE AMENDED? BECAUSE WE ALREADY APPROVED THESE ITEMS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM GOOD, JUDGE.
I REMOVE MY REQUEST. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOVE FORWARD
[1. Discuss and consider public application to close/discontinue/abandon a portion of West River View Drive, a designated road, pursuant to Texas Transportation Code Section 251.052.]
FOR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS 3-A-1. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MAKE A
MOTION TO TABLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PUBLIC APPLICATION TO CLOSE, DISCONTINUE AND ABANTON A PORTION OF WEST RIVER VIEW DRIVE A DESIGNATED.
I WILL REMIND THE COURT THAT WE TABLED IT FOR THAT PARTICULAR
DAY, WHICH IS TODAY. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: JUDGE,
I AM ASKING FOR IT TO BE TABLED. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM SAYING BEFORE I RECOGNIZE YOU, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I THINK WE HAVE THIS CORRECT THAT WE HAD ALREADY TABLED THIS ITEM TO HAVE PREPARATION FOR TODAY. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY CAME.
WE GAVE THEM A RESPONSE. AND WE SAID PLEASE COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 16. AND THEY MADE THE TRIP.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION BUT IT SEEMS THAT -- I QUITE FRANKLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T LIVE UP WITH OUR WORD. WE GAVE THEM A TIME TABLE AND NOW YOU ARE CHANGING IT AS COMMISSIONER MAREZ SAID WITHOUT REALLY DISCUSSION AND BACKGROUND WHY WE WOULD WANT TO TABLE.
I MIGHT AGREE WITH YOU TO TABLE IF WE HAD SOME BASIC FACTS OR
BACKGROUND. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CAN I
ASK JENNY A QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER
GONZALEZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IS THE PROCESS BEEN GOING THROUGH. DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROCESS? I WENT BACK AND READ -- A LOT OF STUFF INVOLVED IN DOING THIS THING.
AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE HALFWAY THERE OR A THIRD OF A WAY THERE.
THIS IS WHY I -- I SUPPORT TABLING IT BECAUSE -- I THINK WE NEED TO START WORKING AND REALLY LOOKING AT THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW -- WE CAN JUST CAN'T COME IN HERE SAY WE WILL GIVE THIS AWAY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TALKING OF SOME PROPERTIES AND L LAND. I REALLY THINK IT HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROCESS. AND AGREE TO WITH THIS.
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I DON'T THINK WE ARE READY FOR THAT.>> I AM NOT AWARE OF RIGHT NOW WHAT THE POSTING THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE MADE. WE MAY HAVE THAT BUT I DIDN'T.
I AM NOT PUSH IT FORWARD AND A BUSINESS DECISION FROM THE COURT. YES, PROCESSES BUT THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I AM
GOING BY. >>JUDGE CANALES: CAN WE DISCUSSIONING THIS IN EX-EX- I SEE THAT DIFF-- IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ONCE SOMEBODY MAKES APPLICATION PURSUANT TO THE CODE IT IS THE DUTY OF THE COURT TO RECEIVE THAT PETITION.
AND TO ACT UPON IT OR NOT ACT UPON IT.
THEY HAVE DONE WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
WE GAVE THE COURT TIME AND IF THE COURT DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT, THAT'S FINE. BUT THE CODE IS THE PROCESS.
THE CODE PROVIDES THE APPLICANT IS THE EXACT ABILITY TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO WHICH IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND NOW THEY HAVE BROUGHT IT TO US AND WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
IF WE WANT TO GO OVER THE CODE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, WE CAN
DO SO NOW OR LATER. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: EXCUSE
ME. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: JUDGE, IT IS IN MY PRECINCT AND UNDER THE COUNTY ENGINEER'S ADVICE THAT HE SAID, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT AREA.
AND THERE HAS BEEN TOO PAST COMMISSIONERS THAT ALSO WERE ASKED TO GIVE IT UP, AND THEY SAID, NO, BECAUSE WE DO NEED THAT. THERE IS WATER FLOW THROUGH THE THERE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. SO, JENNY, I WILL ASK SINCE THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE, THAT YOU MAYBE TAKE A HARDER LOOK AT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT FORTH, AGAIN, I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT ANOTHER DATE. I AM SIMPLY SAYING THAT IF SOMEBODY DOES WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND WE IGNORE THAT, THEY MAY HAVE A CAUSE OF ACTION THAT THEY COULD BRING FORTH BECAUSE WE DID NOT HONOR WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS US.
IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING, THAT IS FINE.
THAT IS A DECISION, BUT WHAT IS NOT GOOD IN MY MINDS IS TO NOT FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT THIS THE CODE OUTLINES, WHICH IS SIMPLY TO MAKE A DECISION. AND -- AND, SIR, I AM SORRY THAT THEY TABLED IT. AND SO I -- I HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. UNLESS -- I CAN ALSO ASK SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS AFTER THE TABLE, JENNY, OR NOT? CAN I BRING IT UP SO WE CAN DISCUSS SOME OF IT?
>> I WOULD ADVISE THE COURT BUT I DO THAT IN EXECUTIVE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
>> YOU CAN TAKE IT INTO EXECUTIVE, YES.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS TABLE -- I WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT HERE IN THIS SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TAKING UP THE TABLE, SIGNIFY BY SAYING
>>JUDGE CANALES: SAY THAT AGAIN. >> A DATE?
>>JUDGE CANALES: NO, THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY IT.
I THINK IT WAS -- WHOSE MOTION WAS IT?
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: FOR JANUARY -- JANUARY 4.
>> FOR JANUARY 4. >>JUDGE CANALES: JANUARY 4.
OKAY. AGAIN, IT WAS THREE AYES AND TWO NOS. AND MR. HIGGIN BOTH THOM, IAN IF SOMETIMES WE ARE CLEAR, WE UNDER STAND WHAT WE ARE SAYING BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IT.
SO THE ITEM THAT WAS NOTICED WAS NOTICED FOR TODAY, CORRECTLY, BASED ON A PREVIOUS COURT ACTION.
NOW THE COURT WISHES AGAINST TO TABLE THE ITEM TO JANUARY 4 TO
TAKE IT UP AT THAT TIME. >> CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT?
>>JUDGE CANALES: YES, I WILL ALLOW THAT.
>> AL HIGGINBOTHAM. IN KINGSVILLE.
WITH REGARDS TO THE STATEMENT MADE MOMENTS AGO, ALL TRANSPORTATION TRANSPORTATION CODE -- EXCUSE ME, ALL TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN FULLY COMPLIED WITH AND FOLLOW THE NOTICE. THE NOTICE WAS PROPERLY FILED IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. THE WE IS SUFFICIENT CONTAINS ALL NECESSARY SIGNATURES. AND SO THAT IS ALL THAT IS COMPLIED WITH TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
THAT IS ALL BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COURT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. >> IT'S -- A VERY SIMPLE REQUEST BASICALLY. ALL WE ARE WANTING -- ALL WE ARE
WANTING IS A DECISION. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, SIR.
>> IT APPEARS THAT THE COURT IS NOT WANTING TO MAKE A DECISION.
>>JUDGE CANALES: IT HAPPENS THREE HAVE VOTED THAT WAY, YES,
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SIR. I AM SORRY, SIR.THAT'S ALL I CAN DO AT THIS MOMENT.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND.
WHEN WILL IT BE. >>JUDGE CANALES: JANUARY 4 IS THE DATE THAT THEY VOTED ON IN THE MAJORITY TO ADDRESS THE
ISSUE ON JANUARY 4. >> WHAT WILL TRANSPIRE AT THAT TIME? WILL YOU -- WILL YOU TAKE A
VOTE? >>JUDGE CANALES: SOIL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN.
THEY COULD VOTE TO TAKE THE MATTER UP PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE. THAT WILL BE MY HOPE.
BECAUSE THAT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT, OR THEY CAN MAKE ANOTHER DECISION. MAYBE WHAT YOU CAN DO IS VISIT WITH MISS DORSEY AND MISS HERNANDEZ.
SHE IS -- IDAY, THIS IS SHOWING -- MISS HERNANDEZ.
SHE IS IN CHARGE OF THIS AGENDA. AND THIS -- AND -- AND WORKING THE AGENDA ITEMS. I AM GOING TO HAVE -- ASK THAT YOU TO COORDINATE EFFORTS HERE SHE TRIES TO READ MINDS.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN BUT WILL TELL YOU WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON
JANUARY 4. >> IT COULD BE TABLED ON JANUARY
4. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANYTHING IS
POSSIBLE THERE. >> THAT IS AN OPTION.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS A POTENTIAL.
>> OKAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU,
[2. Discuss and consider approval of Amendment 8 to Nueces County and Tyler Technologies, Inc. (Successor in Interest to Courthouse Technologies, Ltd.) Software License and Services Agreement of May 22, 2009.]
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. I AM GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER 8 BETWEEN NUECES COUNTY AND TYLER TECHNOLOGIES.
SOFT WARE LICENSE AND SERVICE AGREEMENT.
AND I BELIEVE.ANNE LOREZEN. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE.
GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THIS JUST TO GET IT ON THE
TABLE FOR DISCUSSION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK THAT IS GREAT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR MOTION. I WILL SECOND.
BUT ANN, AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN, IT IS IMPORTANT TO TELL PEOPLE
WHAT YOU ARE DOING? >> YES, THIS ALL HAS TO DO WITH OUR TEXT MESSAGES WE ARE USING WITH OUR JURY SERVICES SOFTWARE.
WE ARE NOW ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE JURORS TO LET THEM KNOW IF THEY HAVE BEEN CANCELLED OR RESCHEDULED OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SO THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO MAKE AN UNNECESSARY TRIP DOWN HERE TO THE COURTHOUSE.
IF A WE HAVE BEEN USING ALL ALONG, BUT RECENTLY WHEN THE JUDGES DECIDED TO TAKE TWO PANEL S A WEEK, IT INCREASED OUR TEXT MESSAGES AND THIS IS WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS FOR TO CUT OFF THAT
INCREASE. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOT IT.
OKAY. AND THE FUNDING SOURCE, ANN?
>> THE FUNDING SOURCE WILL COME OUT OF DEPARTMENT 3510, WHICH IS
JURY SERVICES. >>JUDGE CANALES: GREAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS ANN? HEARING NONE, ALL TO HE WAS IN
[3. Discuss and consider location and build out of Public Defender’s office space, including identification of funding for same, and related matters.]
FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THANK YOU, ANN.>>JUDGE CANALES: DISCUSS AND SISTER THE BUILD-OUTS OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER SPACE INCLUDING IDENTIFICATION FOR FUNDING FOR
SAME AND MATTERS. >> SHE ASKED TO TABLE THIS UNTIL
THE DECEMBER 14. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT,
DECEMBER 14 IT IS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO TABLE -- DO YOU WANTON MAKE IT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TAKE YOUR MOTION AND I WILL SECOND
IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO
DECEMBER 14. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, MA'AM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. GIVE ME ONE MINUTE, SIR.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MR. HIGGINBOTHAM. DO YOU NEED SOMETHING?
>> CAN I GET HER CONTACT? >>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU WILL BE SO NICE TO I CYST. IF WE NEED YOU WE WILL SLOW DOWN
[4. Discuss and consider Memorandum of Understanding with Coastal Bend Disaster Recovery Group.]
HERE AND TAKE A LITTLE BATHROOM BREAK.>> YOUR HONOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM NUMBER 4, DISCUSS APPEAR MEMORANDUM OF UNDER STANDING WITH COASTAL BEND DISASTER RECOVERY GROUP. HI, WELCOME YOU REMEMBER WE RECEIVED A GREAT PRESENTATION FROM CDBRG.
TAKES ME A WHILE TOO. >> I DON'T BLAME YOU JUDGE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WE ALWAYS DO CDBG.
THIS IS CDBRG. >> I HAVE TO SLOW DOWN TO SAY
IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE APPRECIATE YATE THE PRESENTATION YOU GAVE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. BUT TELL US ABOUT IT.
>> YES. SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS -- COASTAL BEND DISASTER RECOVERY GROUP.
WE COVER 11 COUNTIES OF THE COASTAL BEND.
AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS MAKING AN OFFICIAL MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN US AND A COUPLE OF THE CITIES.
AND MOSTLY THE COUNTIES SO THAT IN THE EVENT OF A DISASTER, WE ARE NOT SCRAMBLING TO TRY TO FIGURE WHAT WE ARE DOING AND BASICALLY FORMALIZING OUR RELATIONSHIPS SO WE CAN ACTIVATE
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QUICKLY HOW CHAOTIC THINGS CAN BE.AND SO THIS AGREEMENT WOULD -- WOULD JUST BASICALLY FORMALIZE OUR RELATIONSHIPS. SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE RED CROSS LIKE NO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTIES AND GIVES THEM CONFIDENCE THAT THAT MONEY IS GOING TO ACTUALLY GO TO THAT COUNTY.
AND THEN ALSO, THERE WAS A RECENT CHANGE WITH FEMA WHERE FEMA WAS GIVING US THE FEMA LIST AFTER A DISASTER SO THAT WE COULD REACH OUT TO PEOPLE WHO WERE IN NEED.
AND THEY ACTUALLY CHANGED THE WAY THEY -- THEY DO THAT.
SO NOW THEY WILL DO IT TO THE COUNTY.
WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS OF THE COUNTY WILL THEN GIVE IT TO US.
>>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT. AND YOU GUYS WILL WORK IN THAT HOUSING AREA. THAT MAKES IT SO UNIQUE.
>> WE ACTUALLY -- WE ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE THAT -- WHAT WE CALL THE VULNERABLE POPULATION. WE DID THE WINTER STORM -- I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WINTER STORM HERE IN NUECES COUNTY. HERE IN 2015, WE WERE UP WITH THE FLOODING AND OF COURSE HURRICANE HARVEY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT. >> TWO OF THE COUNTIES HAVE ALREADY PASSED IT. AND WE ARE FINALIZING ONE WITH
ANOTHER COUNTY. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE A
QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: A QUESTION, GO
AHEAD. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS IS ONE I DID HAVE ON MY LIST TO POTENTIALLY TABLE BECAUSE IT IS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND WE DO HAVE A NEW EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PERSON COMING IN JANUARY. SO I AM A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE NOT HAVING THE INPUT THERE. A
AND. >> WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH -- THROUGH LOUIE AND KATHY, EMERGENCY SERVICES.
>>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS TALKING OF THE NEW JUDGE THAT WILL COME IN JANUARY. I WILL TELL YOU THIS, IF YOU WANT TO UNDO IT, YOU CAN UNDO IT, BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS A TERRIBLE IDEA IS NOT TO THINK THAT EVERY DAY ISN'T ABOUT PREPAREDNESS. YOU WANT THIS TO PROTECT THE ABILITY TO KEEP YOUR -- ALL THE COG, RIGHT, SAFE.
THE WAY TO DO THAT IS BY CREATING PREPOSITIONED DOCUMENTS
EVERY SINGLE DAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION. COULD WE THEN POSSIBLY PUT THIS INTO EFFECT JUST THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ABSOLUTELY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEN THE
NEW COUNTY JUDGE CAN LOOK AT IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD NT SAY THE END OF THE YEAR BUT UNTIL SHE IS READY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: END OF JANUARY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ENDS OF JANUARY.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THIS -- THIS AGREEMENT WENT THROUGH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I KNOW. >> ALSO.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS POLITICAL.
I WAS GOING TO SAY SHE CAN SPEAK FOR THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS CAN CANCEL THIS AT ANY TIME. THIS IS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. IT IS NOT A.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS JUST TO GET THROUGH TODAY.
RIGHT. WE ARE JUST ALL TRYING TO -- DID
YOU EVER WATCH "BULL DURHAM." >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO MOVED UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY. A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: I JUST WANT TO
BE HERE FOR THE BALL CLUB. >> APPRECIATE IT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[5. Discuss and consider whether, pursuant to Texas Government Code, 551.0725, deliberation in an open meeting would have a detrimental effect on the position of the commissioners court in negotiations with Tesla regarding the terms of the Tesla Tax Abatement Agreement, and related matters.]
[6. Discuss and consider terms of proposed tax abatement agreement with Tesla, Inc., and related matters.]
ANYBODY WHO IS A BASEBALL LOVER IS SMILING, EVERYBODY ELSE IS CLUELESS. THANK YOU.ITEM NUMBER 5 IS RELATED TO TESLA, AS WELL AS ITEM NUMBER 6.
AND JENNY, I NOTICED -- I THINK THERE ARE COMPANIONS TO THIS ONE. AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT?
GIVE ME A SECOND. >> THERE IS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THERE ARE COMPANIONS.
ON THESE, YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE THEM UP IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO -- I THINK ITEM NUMBER 5 HAS TO BE DISCUSSED.
>> ITEM NUMBER 5 YOU WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS NOW AND VOTE UNANIMOUSLY IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS ONLY INFORM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
-- IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WITHOUT AN UNANIMOUS VOTE HERE AND MAY BE THE DECISION THE COURT THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT, BUT UNLESS OFF 5-0 VOTE THAT THIS IS AN ACCURATE STATEMENT OR IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY TO DO SOME OF THIS TALKING IN EXECUTIVE, YOU COULDN'T DO IT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT. SO I AM GOING TO FLIP IT AROUND ON YOU. ITEM NUMBER 5 FOR THE COURT IS THAT PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT 551.725, WE GET TO DECIDE IF A DELIBERATION IN OPEN MEET ALSO HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT IN THE MEETING WITH TESLA.
I WILL MAKE -- THERE HAS TO BE A MOTION TO SAY IT WOULD NOT HAVE
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A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO MAKE THAT>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO. >> HAVE A DETRIMENT EFFECT TO DO
IT IN OPEN. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL GIVE THEM A -- I THINK IT WILL BE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT.
IT WILL NOT BE UNANIMOUS. GO THROUGH THE MOTION --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHE SAYS IT HAS TO GO BACK TO THE BACK ROOM. WE HAVE TO VOTE 5-0 THAT IT WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT. YOUR POSITION IS IT WOULD.
>>JUDGE CANALES: IT WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A 5-0 VOTE TO SAY THAT. THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION
POINT. >>JUDGE CANALES: REALLY.
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? >> IN ORDER TO TAKE THE ITEM INTO EXECUTIVE, A 5-0 VOTE THAT DOING IT IN OPEN WOULD HAVE A
DETRIMENTAL EFFECT. >>JUDGE CANALES: IN THIS CASE 4-0 BECAUSE ONE THAT HAS A CONF
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT.
I HAVE AN IDEA. ON THIS ONE, THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE DISCUSSING NEGOTIATIONS WITH REGARDS TO ABATEMENTS OR ANY OTHER CONTRACT INCENTIVE TOOLS, TO REVEAL WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT OR WHAT YOU CAN NEGOTIATE LOSES YOUR NEGOTIATING POWER. IT IS LIKE PLAYING POKER WITH SOMEBODY AND SAYING HERE ARE MY CARDS.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A -- IT IS NOT THE WAY IT IS USUALLY DONE. USUALLY THESE TYPES OF ABATEMENTS. REMEMBER, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION. BUT THE IDEA ON WHAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD OFFER OR WHAT YOU SHOULD ACCEPT OR WHAT YOU CAN ADD OR WHAT YOU CAN SUBTRACT IN MY MIND SHOULD BE DONE THE WAY YOU DO NORMAL LEGAL NEGOTIATIONS.
AND THAT IS YOU CONSULT WITH YOUR LAWYER AND YOUR SPECIALTY RESOURCES AND YOU TRY TO GET YOUR BEST INFORMATION.
OTHERWISE YOU ARE SIGNALING TO EVERYBODY WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE. IT DOESN'T -- I MEAN THAT -- IT MAKES VERY POOR BUSINESS SENSE FOR YOUR COUNTY.
HARD TO PROTECT YOUR COUNTY IF YOU ARE SHOWING ALL YOUR CARDS.
AND IN THIS CASE, THERE IS SOMETHING TO DISCUSS BECAUSE WE HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW -- I DON'T THINK THIS WILL HURT ANY NEGOTIATIONS, BUT THERE ARE ITEMS TO DISCUSS LIKE ROADS.
LIKE DRAINAGE. LIKE -- THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT COME TO MIND WHEN YOU ARE OUT IN THOSE AREAS.
COULD BE OTHER ITEMS. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THE SMART THING TO -- BY THE WAY THIS PROBABLY WILL NOT COME UP UNTIL LATER IN DECEMBER IS TO GIVE YOURSELF THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM YOUR LAWYER AND YOUR RESOURCE FOLKS RECORDING THE
HAND THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHY DON'T YOU THINK IT WON'T COME UP.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I THOUGHT SO TOO.
YOU I WAS TOLD BY EYE SAY, THAT THEY MAY HAVE A -- IDAY THAT THEY MAY HAVE A DELAY. I THINK WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS IN EXECUTIVE BUT ORIGINALLY THEY WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING IN DECEMBER. SO MY THOUGHT WAS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECEMBER GUIDELINES -- I MEAN, DEADLINES.
THEY HAVE BASICALLY SAID THEY COULD MOVE TO JANUARY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO ARE WE EVEN DOING NUMBER 6 TODAY.
THAT IS THE QUESTION. IF WE ARE NOT DOING IT TODAY, WE
DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING TODAY. >> I AM TOLD WE ARE BACK ON TRACK. IF YOU WANT TO DO -- GET THINGS DONE BY DECEMBER 7, THAT IS POSSIBLE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. NEW INFORMATION.
THAT IS A CHANGE. >> THAT IS A CHANGE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CAN WE
DO 5 IN OPEN COURT. >> 5 YOU HAVE TO DO IN OPEN COURT IN ORDER TO DO THE OTHER ITEMS IN THE BACK.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: LET'S DO 5.
>>JUDGE CANALES: SO, AGAIN, IF -- IF -- I AM -- AGAIN, ITEM NUMBER 5 IS JUST TO DETERMINE IF YOU GET TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO MOVED OR SECOND.
AT THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND THAT IT WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT.
IF ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOLD ON. I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECT BECAUSE THE BUSINESS POINTS WILL BECOME PUBLIC ANYWAY. WITHOUT BEING SPECIFIC, I I AM TRYING -- I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH GOING INTO THE BACK ROOM
NOT KNOWING WHAT THE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THE BACK ROOM ACCORDING TO MISS DORSEY IS TO GET TO THE BACK ROOM ITEM NUMBER 5. IF WE WANT TO COME OUT AND HAVE
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A GREAT DISCUSSION, WE CAN. BUT SHE COULD AT LEAST ADVISE US WHAT OUR OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES ARE.YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IN OPEN COURT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THE
DETRIMENT PIECE OF IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WITHOUT BEING SPECIFIC, JENNY. WHAT THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECT IS.
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC, IN MY OPINION, HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE BUSINESS POINTS BEING PROPOSED AND WHAT WE HAVE ACCEPTED OR REJECTED, RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT IS JUST MY FEELING ON THAT. SO TELL ME WHAT WOULD BE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT. WHAT WOULD BE MY EFFECT OF OBTAINING ON A VOTE TOO. WOULD THAT MAKE IT NOT UNANIMOUS. I AM REALLY ON THE FENCE ON THIS BECAUSE ALL THE BUSINESS POINTS. SUCH AN OUTS-IN-THE-OPEN DEAL.
SOMETIMES WHEN WE GET THESE DEALS, THEY COME TO US IN CONFIDENCE AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REVEALED AND WE HAVE TO SIGN NONDISCLOSURES AND WE HAVE TO DO THINGS IN THE BACK ROOM BECAUSE -- OR WE CAN'T EVEN DO IT. THIS ONE IS LIKE SUPER PUBLIC.
THE WORLD AND EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS DEAL.
EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT IS TO DO. DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE THE FAST.
I WANT TO KNOW WHY I HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK ROOM AND WHY IT WOULD BE DETRIMENT. WITHOUT BEING SPECIFIC.
HELP ME. I JUST -- I AM NOT SUPER
COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE. >> WELL, A DRAFT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED TO THE COURT WITH DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RIGHT. >> THOSE CAN BE -- NOW, SANDY GOMEZ IS NOT AVAILABLE TODAY BUT DID LEAVE SOME STUFF WITH ME TO GO OVER WITH THE COURT IF -- YOU KNOW, IF THAT IS DESIRED.
THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND ALTERNATIVE CHOICES IN THAT TRAFFIC THAT YOU MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH SANDY GOMEZ BEFORE YOU MAKE THOSE KNOWN. THERE ARE LENGTHS OF TIME AND AMOUNTS OF ABATEMENT THAT YOU MAY WANT TO DISCUSS IN PRIVATE, BUT IF YOU DO NOT, STILL YOU WON'T HAVE SANDY GOMEZ TODAY
THOUGH. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO IF YOU WANT TO -- I MEAN WE COULD -- WE CAN TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
I JUST -- I JUST KNOW THAT -- IN ALL NEGOTIATIONS, YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY -- THIS ISN'T ABOUT WE ACTUALLY HAD NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY HEAR FROM THE COMPANY, BUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS THEY HAVE A DRAFT THAT IS CIRCULATED.
TALKS ABOUT A PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION TIME.
AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT A PERIOD AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE.
AND ALL OF THOSE PARAMETERS ARE GOING TO GET DISCUSSED.
BUT THE IDEA HERE IS TO GO GET LEGAL ADVICE ABOUT THE CONTRACT.
AND YOU DON'T TYPICALLY PUT YOUR LAWYER ON CAMERA TO GIVE YOU THE LEGAL ADVICE THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO THAT HELPS FORMULATE YOUR OPINION BECAUSE YOU ARE NEGOTIATING WITH THE OTHER -- YOU ARE NEGOTIATING HERE.
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET THE BEST -- YOU WANT TO CREATE AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PACKAGE FOR A COMPANY.
AND MIKE IS HERE. HE CAN HELP ME OUT HERE.
YOU WANT TO CREATE AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PACKAGE FOR A COMPANY THAT ENABLE YOU TO IT BE THE WINNER, SO TO SPEAK, YOU ARE THE SELECTED SITE. AND YOU ALSO WANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT YOU GET CHOICES. YOU CAN SAY TO THEM, HERE IS THE PACKAGE. WHY DO YOU WANTON DO TWO YEARS VERSUS THREE YEARS IT SHALL BY THE WAY I AM CREATING HYPOTHETICALS, MIKE. YOU MAY SOMETHING LIKE IN THE BACK ROOM WITH YOUR LAWYER, THAT TYPICALLY, NOBODY CAN COMPLETE IT IN THREE YEARS OR TWO YEARS OR ANOTHER WORDS, THERE IS ALL KIND OF IDEAS THAT QUITE FRANKLY WE ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT, BUT A PERSON WHO IS AN EX-ER IN THE CREATING THESE DOCUMENTS WILL SAY TO YOU, HEY, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER A COUNTER OFFER OF THIS AND THIS OR -- BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DISCUSS THAT IN OPEN, BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HEAR IT. AND THEN THEY WOULD KNOW THAT -- IT'S LIKE NEGOTIATING AGAINST YOU YOURSELF. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO DESCRIBE IT. MIKE, CAN YOU OFFER ANYTHING HERE. I THINK WE CAN BE BOTH INCREDIBLY TRANSPARENT AND SAVVY.
THAT IS ALL WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO GET IN THE BACK ROOM.
ALLOW US ON DECEMBER 7 TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE OF SANDY GO MEZ WHO WRITES ABATEMENTS. AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT IS THE IN BEST INTEREST OF NUECES COUNTY.
AND TO CREATE THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE THAT WILL EXIST FOR THE COMPANY. WE TRY TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME
TIME. >> MIKE CULBERTSON, CEO OF
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CORPUS CHRISTI REGIONAL. WE DO 23 OF THESE OVER SIX DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS AND WHAT I THINK WE ARE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD CONSIDER IS -- THE DEAL IS NOT DONE. AND YOU NEED TO IN YOUR MIND SOLIDIFY WHAT YOU ARE HAPPY WITH AND WHAT IF THE COMPANY COMES BACK TO YOU WITH A REQUEST. THIS IS BETTER DONE IN CLOSE SESSION. YOU CAN AIR WHAT YOU THINK, WHAT YOU WANT, AND THEN HAVE A DEAL POINT FOR THE NEGOTIATORS REPRESENTING COUNTY TO GO BACK TO THE COMPANY.AND IF THE COMPANY SAYS GREAT, THEN -- OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL GO PUBLIC WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS, BUT I THINK -- THE DEAL IS NOT CE CELT -- SET.
THE DEAL IS NOT OUT THERE YOU CAN SOLIDIFY IT IN YOUR MIND IF THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THERE ARE THINGS YOU MAY WANT -- THE TAX ABATEMENT. TALK OF THE ATE BAITMENT OF TAXES BUT A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN ADD TO THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE COUNTY, THERE ARE ONE PART IN THE TAX ABATEMENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT -- YOU HAVE TO ENSURE THAT
THE ROADS -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TAX ABATEMENT. PLEASE DON'T.
YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE JUDGE SAID WE DON'T WANT TO BE
>> SAKE OF MOVING THIS FORWARD TODAY, WITH THE RESERVATION OF -- I MAY CHANGE MY MIND ONCE I GET INTO CLOSED SESSION AND GET BACK OUT. I WILL VOTE TO MOVE IT FORWARD BUT I AM SO UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A PUBLIC THING. FOR TODAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS. >>JUDGE CANALES: SANDY IS NOT AVAILABLE AND JENNY HAS NOTES FROM MISS GOMEZ.
>> TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 7TH, JENNY NEEDS DIRECTION FROM THE
COURT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET'S
MOVE FORWARD. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
OKAY, ITEM 6, WE WILL TAKE THAT BACK TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND I WILL MOVE ON -- BY THE WAY, IS MY PHONE WRONG.
10:30 ON THE PHONE AND IT SAYS 11:30.
OKAY, GOOD. IT WAS DRIVING ME CRAZY.
HOW IN THE WORLD DID IT GET TO BE 11:30.
>> DIDN'T FALL BACK, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE CLOCK.HAVEN'T FALLEN. NOTE TO SELF, PLEASE FIX CLOCK.
OKAY. WE WILL WAIT UNTIL THE -- WE
[7. Discuss and consider identification of LMI (Low to Moderate Income) drainage projects for submission under CDBG-MIT, and related matters.]
WILL WAIT UNTIL THE FOLKS COME BACK AND ITEM NUMBER 7, DISCUSS AND CONSIDERATION OFLILY DRAINAGE PROJECTS TO ADMISSION UNDER CDBG-MIT AND RELATED MATTERS.TURN TO YOUR BOOKS TO GET THE BACKGROUND AND INFORMATION.
AND THE SITUATION HERE IS -- JUST BY LITTLE WAY OF BACKGROUND, CDBG IS AN ACRONYM THAT STANDS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS. "MIT" STANDS FOR MITIGATION.
HURRICANE HARVEY MONIES, YES, THAT IS RIGHT, 2023 AND JUST NOW GETTING HURRICANE HARVEY MONIES. THESE DOLLARS WERE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO TEXAS. AND AFTER ROUND ONE DECIDED BY THE LAND OFFICE AND APPROVED BY HUT WE WOULD CHANGE THE WAY WE RECEIVED DOLLARS AND OUR COG WAS GIVEN $180 MILLION.
ROUND IT UP. LIKE 179 MILLION AND CHANGE.
WE BELIEVE GIVEN $180 MILLION. AND OUR COUNTY OUT OF THE 11 COUNTIES RECEIVED 31 MILLION. JURISDICTIONS OF CITIES AND COUNTIES ONLY. CITIES AND COUNTIES ONLY RECEIVED DOLLARS. HOWEVER, THERE IS A RULE THAT 50% OF THOSE DOLLARS NEED TO GO TO LOW-TO-MODERATE INCOME LOCATIONS. I SEE YOU COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, I WILL BE RIGHT WITH YOU. THANKS FOR DOING THAT.
LOW TO MODERATE INCOME MEANS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET A THRESHOLD OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THAT IS GIVEN TO US BY THE COG. WE DON'T CHOOSE THAT -- THAT NUMBER IT WAS GIVEN TO US AND A HUGE CALCULATION MADE BY THE UNIVERSITY USING FIVE DIFFERENT -- ALL KIND OF FACTORS AND JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT. $APPROXIMATELY $31 MILLION.
AND, HOWEVER, JUST FOR AWARENESS, WE HAD A GROUP OF DISASTER -- NOT A DISASTER, RECOVERY GRANT MANAGEMENT GROUP AND THEY HAVE A PERCENTAGE THAT THEY TAKE, SO YOU NEED TO BACK OUT 6% OF THAT $# 1 MILLION ALLOCATION AND SO MORE OR LESS,
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IF I WAS TRYING TO BE VERY GENEROUS, IDAY.WHAT IS GREAT ABOUT THAT IS THAT IS MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE NOW.
READY, READY, READY. VERY RARE THAT YOU GET MONEY THAT IS READY, BUT IT IS THERE. AND SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE APPLICATION. IN ORDER TO GET THE APPLICATIONS READY BY FEBRUARY, WE HAVE TO START NOW.
I WOULD SUGGEST WE ARE A LITTLE BEHIND THE 8-BALL, BUT WE CAN EASILY CATCH UP BECAUSE THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IN COURT THAT ARE AWESOME PROJECTS IN LEELY AND THAT ARE BASICALLY REPRESENTING PRECINCT 1, PRECINCT 2 AND PRECINCT 3. ON PRECINCT 4 --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T HAVE ANY BACK-UP.
THAT IS WHY I WAS TRYING INTERRUPT.
HAVE NOTHING IN THE BACKUP. >>JUDGE CANALES: FORGIVE ME, I, COURT MANAGER, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THE BACK-UP WAS
AVAILABLE. >> I DIDN'T GET NOTHING FROM -- WHEN I ASKED EDWARD, HE TOLD ME THAT HE IS WORKING WITH THE
COMMISSIONERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS ISN'T
EDWARD, REMEMBER -- >> THAT WAS LOOKED INTO EVERYBODY, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND ALSO IN MY UNDERSTANDING JJ.
THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON IT. I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FROM THEM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.
WE MET. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. NOT IN THE AGENDA'S BACK-UP.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL ASK THAT IT BE BROUGHT BACK TO DECEMBER 4. AND THAT I WORK WITH YOU AGAIN,
BECAUSE -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE 7TH.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE 7TH, BECAUSE NOT JUST YOU AND I TALKING ABOUT IT, I HANDED YOU DOCUMENTS AND ASKED THAT WE HAVE THIS READY. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. NOT EDWARD.
EDWARD DOESN'T DONE DRAINAGE IN THAT REGARD.
>> CORRECT. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, THESE ARE -- I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR NOTES.
BUT THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT -- WE WENT TO YOU THAT DAY AND WANTED TO DO THESE PROJECTS AND SAME THING WITH COMMISSIONER MAREZ AND COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY WEREN'T PROJECTS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YES -- >> THIS IS DIFFERENT.
THESE ARE THE PROJECTS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THESE ARE
PROJECTS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TALKING
CDBG NOW? >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL CDBGS.
I WILL ASK THAT YOU WOULD, WITH IDAY IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE YOU ALREADY TURNED IN YOUR PROJECTS.
YOU ALREADY -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL DECEMBER 7.
>>JUDGE CANALES: DECEMBER 7. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, UNFORTUNATELY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IN LMI.
BUT NOT TO SAY THEY ARE NOT ON THE FRINGE OF LMI AND MIGHT BE ONE THAT WE CAN SDOOP IN. BUT, AGAIN, WITHOUT PEOPLE WORKING, IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
SO FORGIVE ME BUT NOT COOL. NOT COOL AT ALL TO BASICALLY FIGHT FOR SO LONG TO GET THESE DOLLARS AND NOT TO BE PREPARED AND READY. I AM VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE I'M HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A LONG TIME AND THAT WE FOUGHT, BY THE WAY, VERY HARD FOR THESE.
I WILL MEET WITH YOU AGAIN, BUT THESE DOCUMENTS ARE IN YOUR
POSSESSION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, RESPECTFULLY, THERE IS COUNTY JUDGE SUBMISSION.
MAYBE INSTEAD OF WORKING WITH IDAY, GET MAGEE AND MONICA TO PUT IT IN. YOU HAVE TWO ASSISTANTS.
YOUR ITEM THAT SUBMITTED. I JUST NEED THE BACK-UP.
WHETHER I HAVE ONE OR NOT, I NEED THE BACK-UP.
>> MY UNDERSTAND THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE PROJECTS FOR EACH COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AND
COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING OF THE CDBG PROCESS, THE APPLICATIONS OR WHATEVER IT IS. I MEAN.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THIS IS NAMING THE PROJECTS SO THEY CAN PREPARE THE APPLICATION FOR COMMISSIONER MAREZ.
IT IS BASICALLY CASABLANCA. AND FOR YOU TIERRA GRANDE.
AND FOR COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ IT IS -- STONEGATE.
AND IT IS A BASICALLY ABOUT $5 MILLION EACH.
I AM BEING VERY ROUGH IN YOUR PRECINCTS.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: FOUR MILLION.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A LITTLE BIT MORE YOU CAN HAVE BECAUSE YOU WILL NEED EXTRA MONEY FOR ENGINEERING.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IN ADDITION TO THE $4 MILLION?
>>JUDGE CANALES: YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
YOU BASICALLY GET A WINDFALL. IF YOU USE THESE DOLLARS WISELY IN YOUR PRECINCT TO ADVANCE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY READY, OKAY, THEY ALREADY HAVE COST ESTIMATES AND BUDGETS.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO -- YOU WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR ARPA DOLLARS FOR OTHER PROJECTS. YOU WILL ADVANCE THE SHOVEL
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READY PROJECTS THAT ARE READY NOW.>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT THE APPLICATION IN THE PROCESS. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN I DON'T THINK.
AND FOR ME. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER -- WHERE -- WE ARE -- WE ARE READY FOR PHASE TWO IN A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS. BUT -- I JUST NEED THE PROCESS
THE APPLICATIONS. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL BRING THIS BACK BUT THE APPLICATION AND THE PROCESS IS SET, AND IT HAS BEEN SET FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS.
TIDAL BASIN PREPARES THE APPLICATION AND SUBMIT.
SUBMIT IN FEBRUARY. WE -- WE -- WHEN YOU AND I AND HERNANDEZ AND MAREZ AND CHESNEY ONLINE WENT TO THE COG AND FOUGHT FOR -- FOR THE $31 MILLION TO BE -- TO BE GIVEN TO US NOW, IT OPENED THE DOOR TO RECEIVE APPLICATIONS OF WHICH THEY ARE IN FEBRUARY. BUT WE HAVE A SEPARATE GROUP THAT DOES THAT. AND WHAT WE -- ALL THEY NEED TO KNOW ARE THE NAMES. .YOU DON'T GIVE THEM THE NAMES OF THE PROJECTS, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE SUBMISSIONS DONE TIMELY. TODAY WAS THE DAY.
AND I -- I GAVE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT
GROUP THAT? >>JUDGE CANALES: TIDAL BASIN.
THEY WERE PROCURED TWO YEARS AGO.
THAT WAS THEIR JOB AND THEY WILL SUBMIT FOR COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, THE BREAKWATER ISLANDS.
YOU KIND OF GET TWO, BUT DON'T TELL EVERYBODY.
>> I WON'T TELL A SOUL. >> WHY DON'T WE DO THIS.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE A MEETING WHERE IDAY CALLS YOU A AND BRINGS BACK EVERYTHING. THE DAY WE MET WHEN WE -- THE WEEK BEFORE THIS, I GAVE YOU THE PACKET AND BY THE WAY, THAT PACKET WAS PRESENTED BY ICE ENGINEERING.
IT WASN'T ANYTHING THAT I BROUGHT, IT WAS COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, HERNANDEZ AND MAREZ. ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS ATTACH THEM.
SO, AGAIN, THIS SHOULD BE A CELEBRATORY SITUATION, SO I HOPE ON DECEMBER 7, WE ARE IN T THE HO-HO-HO SPIRIT.
WE NEED TO FINISH -- WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE THIS COMPLETE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: NOT ABOUT WORKING IT.
JUST ATTACH IT. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING.
JUST ATTACH WHAT I GAVE YOU. >> THEY WANT TO DISCUSS THOSE PROJECTS, JUDGE. THAT IS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY DID WITH YOU.
IT IS NOT ABOUT LOOKING INTO IT. IT IS ABOUT TELLING YOU WHICH
ONES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, IT IS YOUR ITEM JUST SUBMIT IT HOW YOU WANT TO SUBMIT IT AND DO IT THAT WAY. NOT THE COUNTY MANAGER'S ITEM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: BECAUSE IT WAS SELECTED TO IDAY BY GONZALEZ,
HERNANDEZ AND MAREZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SUBMIT
TO THE COURT. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: IF YOU SUBMIT IT. IT IS YOUR ITEM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I DID IT ON BEHALF EVERYBODY SO THE ITEMS ALREADY SUBMITTEDED TO IDAY WOULD GET ON HERE.
ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE NUECES COUNTY --
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: VOTE ON THE MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE DIDN'T VOTE
DECEMBER 7. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, THAT'S CORRECT. DECEMBER 7.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[8. Discuss and consider approval of the Nueces County Commissioners Court Legislative Agenda for the 88th Session of the Texas Legislature.]
OPPOSED SAME TINE. ITEM NUMBER 8 TO APPROVE THE NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR THE 8ND. BELINDA -->>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MOVE TO TABLE IT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOVEMENT TO TABLE IT UNTIL JANUARY 4.
>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: BEFORE -- DARN IT. I WISH YOU WOULDN'T SECOND IT.
I WILL LET YOU SECOND IT. WILL YOU HOLD YOUR THOUGHT FOR JUST A SECOND. WILL YOU WITHDRAW IT FOR 30
SECONDS OUT OF COURTESY TO ME? >> SURE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT FOUR YEARS AGO THIS HAPPENED TO ME. AND YOU GUYS REMEMBERED THIS THAT YOU HELD ON THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER TO YOU GUYS IS THAT A EXPERIENCE -- IT WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA BECAUSE IT IS TOO LATE WHEN YOU GET INTO JANUARY AND THE SESSION HAS ALREADY STARTED.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO WAIT ON, AND THINGS THAT ARE SO NONCONTROVERSIAL THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO ADVANCE. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THERE IS A PIECE ON THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR THE COASTAL BEND ESTUARIES TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
IF YOU DON'T START NOW, NO WAY TO GET THAT FUNDING.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED TO US FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND IT IS JUST A HUGER ROAR TO WAIT ON CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING BUT GOOD CONSEQUENCES FOR NUECES COUNTY.
AND ALSO THE BOARD ITSELF IS ASKING NUECES COUNTY THAT THE BOARD MEETING COASTAL BEND ESTUARY AND THE BAYS COUNCIL.
THEY ARE ASKING US TO PLACE THIS ON THE AGENDA.
SO I MIGHT CONSIDER THAT NEXT WEEK OR DECEMBER 7, THAT YOU AT
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LEAST COMB THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.AND THAT WHICH HAS NO CONSEQUENCE OF CONTROVERSY THAT IS GOOD FOR NUECES. YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T START NOW, YOU LITERALLY CHOP OFF THE LEGS.
YOU WILL HAVE NO SUCCESS AT ALL. HEARING AND CONNECTION.
TOO LATE. WILLS HAVE ALREADY BEEN FILED.
BY THE TIME YOU SHOW UP INTO COURT WHICH TAKES YOU MULTIPLE COURTS TO GET YOUR AGENDA. IT IS JUST A VERY TERRIBLE SON
KEPT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I CHECKED WITH THE OFFICE AND SAID BILLS WON'T BE FILED UNTIL AFTER MARCH. JANUARY IS NOT A BAD TIME TO SUBMIT WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SUBMIT.
SO. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN PUSHING THIS AND SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS FOR A LONG TIME NOW. AND I AGREE.
I POINT TO 2017. A COURTESY, BUT IT -- IT BOXES YOU IN SO THAT YOU ARE REALLY HAVING TO RUSH THROUGH SOMETHING THAT MAY TAKE A SERIES OF MEET TO TALK OUT AND WORK OUT AND COMPILE. THAT IS WHY I PUT THIS ITEM A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION TO TAKE ANY -- THERE WAS NO CONSIDERATION OF WHAT THE RESULTS WERE, ABOUT HAVING GOOD GOVERNANCE AND HAVING A PLAN AND A SIMPLIFIED AGENDA.
DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THE FINALIZED BUT A SIMP FRIED AGENDA AND I BOWED OUT BECAUSE I UNDERSTOOD -- SIMP FRIED AGENDA.
AND I BOWED OUT BECAUSE TRYING TO KEEP THAT AGENDA FOR A COMMISSIONER WHO NEEDED TO LEAVE THAT DAY EARLY.
I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT. I WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR THIS TO BE VOTED ON NOVEMBER 2 HAD I KNOWN WE WOULD COME THOL THIS POINT AND ASK FOR ANOTHER LANGUAGE THAT PAC PUTS OUT AND APPROVAL AND IT IS APPROVAL. SCNAP OPPOSED OF TAX CAPTION OR IN FAVOR OF MORE -- YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT HOPEFUL THREE TODAY.
IF IT HAS TO BE TABLED WE DO AT LEASE DECEMBER 7.
I HAD THE CONVERSATION SET I KNEW WHATEVER THE RESULTS WERE IF WE WERE TO HAVE A NEW JUDGE, THAT IS THE CASE NOW, THAT THAT NEW JUDGE BE BROUGHT UP TO SPEED AND BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR MEETING AND MEET WITH OUR LOBBYING GROUP AND TO WORK WITH US IN TANDEM. THAT IS NEVER ABOUT EXCLUDING ANYONE. THE RESULTS ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
BUT SHOULDN'T MATTER. IT SHOULD BE MOVING US FORWARD ON FINDING COMMON GROUND AND THE STUFF THAT REALLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED 234 MORE DETAIL CAN WAIT AND SHOULD WAIT UNTIL JANUARY 4. I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I AM NOT SAYING LET'S EXCLUDE OUR NEW COUNTY JUDGE.
WE INCLUDED AND COULD HAVE -- THAT'S WHY I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS QUITE A WHILE AS ASKING IDAY AND BELINDA TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA. A LOT OF WORK TO TAKE PLACE TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA. AS IS COURTESY I WAS ASKED TO PUT IT TO THIS MEETING WHICH I DID, AND NOW WE ARE FINDING ANOTHER REASON TO DELAY. I THINK THAT IS BAD POLICY ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I DON'T CARE HOW YOU VOTED IN THIS ELECTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT IS ABOUT FINDING AN AGENDA WE CAN ADVOCATE FOR IN ANYTHING TO WHAT BATTLES AHEAD. WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF BATTLES.
WE HAD BATTLES LAST TIME AND EVERY SESSION THAT BIG GOVERNMENT WANTS TO TELL LOCAL GOVERNMENT HOW TO ACT.
AND I AM OPPOSED TO THAT. AND WE NEED TO HAVE OUR PLAN WORKED OUT. TODAY COULD BE A FIRST OF A SERIES OF THEM LEADING UP TO DECEMBER AND FINALIZE -- I THINK WE HAVE LANGUAGE TODAY THAT WE START ON, VOTE ON, AND LET IT BE JUST A LIVING, BREATHING ORGANISM THAT WILL CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN THE SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS FOR THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEN MAYBE WHEN JUDGE SCOTT COMES IN.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I GOT YOU, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I CANNOT DISAGREE WITH YOU MORE, COMMISSIONER MAREZ. YOU AND I HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND FOR YOU TO PUT IT OUT IS DISINAGAIN.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: YOU ASKED ME ON NOVEMBER 17 TO DELAY THIS.
AND YOU WANT TO OF MOVE THE BALL AGAIN.
THAT IS DISINGENUOUS. THAT IS DISINGENUOUS.
FOOL ME ONCE. FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS ALL YOU DO, JOHN.
YOU TALK OUT OF TWO SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH.
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>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I DO? WOW.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE DIFFERENCE --
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: LET ME TELL YOU BROTHER.
LET ME TELL YOU BROTHER, THIS COURT IS GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING TWO-YEAR RIDE IF YOU WANT TO LOB OVER GRENADES THE NEXT TWO YEARS. YOU ARE SETTING A TONE RIGHT
NOW. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: EXCUSE
ME, JUDGE, MY SECOND -- >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: YOU WORK WITH ME NOW OR IF NOT, BE PREPARED.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FINISH UP.
THE DIFFERENCE NOW IS THE CONTINUITY WE HAVE WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOBBY TEAM GOING INTO THE NEXT SESSION.
THAT IS WHAT PUT US BEHIND -- WE -- WE ALREADY ARE WORKING ON A LOT OF THE NONCONTROVERSIAL ISSUES BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ARE NEW. ON THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, MANY ITEMS THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON.
HOURS POTENTIALLY OF DISCUSSION. GOING TO BE DEBATE ON.
TAKE A PERIOD OF TIME AND I THINK THE NEW COUNTY JUDGE SHOULD HAVE A ROLE AND PLAY A ROLE IN THAT.
THAT IS THE DEAL. IF YOU WANT TO GO ON AND PUT SOME SORT OF MODIFIED VERSION FOR ANOTHER REASON THAT IS NONCONTROVERSIAL, THAT ARE THINGS WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON JUST TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL BETTER THAN WE ARE DOING IT, GREAT. BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT A LOBBY TEAM THAT HAVEN'T STOPPED. WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOBBY TEAM DURING THE LAST TIME AND THEY ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THESE THINGS BECAUSE MOST -- A LOT OF THESE THINGS ON THIS AGENDA ARE JUST DISCUSSION ITEMS OF THINGS WE ARE ALREADY DOING.
BUT A LOT OF THEM REASONABILITY. A LOT OF THEM WILL BE PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATES THAT GO ON AND GO FORTH ON THIS.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, FINE, LET'S PUT THE NONCONTROVERSIAL ONES, GREAT.
BUT ALL THE ONES THAT REQUIRE DISCUSSION WHICH THERE ARE A LOT, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT. I DON'T THINK WE MISS A STEP.
I DON'T THINK WE MISS A BEAT. I TALKED TO THE LOBBY TEAM WITH IN AD NAUSEAM TO SAY WHERE ARE WE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS.
I HAVE. WHERE ARE ONES THAT WE COULD BE LOSING OUT ON. THEY SAY MIGHT BE A COUPLE MA MAYBE A BILL OR TWO BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS THAT REQUIRE -- REQUIRE BILLS POTENTIALLY. A LOT OF MONITORING.
HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO MONITOR IT SO THAT A FINE.
WE SHOULD TABLE IT UNTIL JANUARY 4.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT UP NONCONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. GREAT, GO FOR IT. BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE
-- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: PICK
THE ONES YOU WANT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: 913.
REMEMBER THAT NUMBER. 913 THE AMOUNT OF BILLS FILED THIS MONDAY. DO YOU THINK WE FILED A SINGLE ONE ON NUECES COUNTY'S BEHALF? 913.
WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ON THE 2ND.
YOU ASKED -- YOU ASKED TO DEFER IT TO THE 17TH.
NOW THAT YOU ARE HERE, YOU ARE ASKING TO MOVE THE MARK AGAIN.
ALL I WAS ASKING -- YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME WAS TO -- LET'S DISCUSS WHAT WE CAN TODAY. THIS IS GOING TO BE A SERIES OF MEETINGS. LET TODAY BE THE DISCUSSION AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT WEEK AND SEE WHAT OTHER ITEMS ARE, DEFERRING TO THE JUDGE. I AM NOT TRYING TO PLAY POLITICS AT ALL. NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
I RECOGNIZE WHO OUR NEW JUDGE WILL BE.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER AND FINDING COMMON GROUND. ALL I AM SAYING HAVE A PLATE PREPARED WITH THE NONCONTROVERSIAL STUFF SO SHE CAN HELP GIVE US HER FINAL TAKE ON IT.
THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING. THAT IS ALL THE REASON IN.
NOVEMBER 2. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PAR IT DOWN -- DOWN TO THE ONES -- BUT A THREE-PAGE -- THREE PAGES WITH
ABOUT 40 ITEMS ON IT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: PICK THE
ONES WE WANT AND DON'T WANT. >> WE CAN DO THAT.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM SECONDING THE MOTION FOR THE MOTION TO TABLE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT FORTH A PAIRED DOWN ONE THAT HAS NO CONTROVERSY ON IT, BRING IT BACK, BUT THE ONE THAT HAVE DISCUSSION --
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I DIDN'T MAKE THIS AGENDA.
I SUGGESTED LET'S PUT IT OUT THERE.
WE ALL GAVE INDEPENDENT INFORMATION OF THE LOBBYING TEAM. THAT IS ALL WE DID.
CONTROVERSY -- I WILL LET YOU PICK WHAT YOU FEEL IS CONTROVERSIAL. JUST LET US FIND A COMMON GROUND. 913 ITEMS.
WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT
DOES THAT MATTER? >>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: WE CONSTANTLY EVERY YEAR ARE BEHIND THE 8-BALL.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MANY BILLS DO YOU WANT TO FILE?
>>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: HOW MANY? YOU KNOW EVERY SESSION SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN COURT, I HAVE GOT ONE OR TWO NOT ONLY LOCAL BUT STATEWIDE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MANY DO YOU WANT TO FILE THIS TIME.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: BESIDE THE POINT.
THE POINT IS I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WAY BEFORE BILLS WERE ABLE TO BE FILED. WHO KNOWS WHAT ITEM WOULD HAVE COME UP DURING OUR DISCUSSION TO SAY THIS IS A PRIORITY.
WE NEED TO BRING IT BEFORE OUR LEGISLATIVE TEAM AND LET THEM FILE IT NOW. THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
AND I AM SAYING, YES, GET RID OF THE CONTROVERSIAL STUFF.
BUT ENOUGH TALKING. I -- YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST MOVE THROUGH THIS AGENDA. IF YOU FEEL THERE IS ENOUGH JUST TO TABLE IT, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE PUT THIS ON AGAIN ON THE 7TH. EVERYBODY PLEASE GIVE INPUT TO PARE IT DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT IS NONCONTROVERSIAL THAT
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NUECES COUNTY IS MOVING FORWARD ON THE AGENDA AND GETTING SOMETHING PUSHED THROUGH AND JANUARY 4 AND TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT WE CAN HAVE A FINALIZED ONE WITH JUDGE SCOTT'S INPUT.THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING. LET'S JUST PUT SOME REAL INTENTION TO THIS AGENDA. THAT'S MY WHOLE INTENT ALL THESE MONTHS LEADING TO NOVEMBER # IS TO WANT TO DO THAT.
ASK DO IT ON THE 17TH. I GET IT.
TWO WEEKS, NOT MAKE A BIG DEAL. OBVIOUSLY IT IS.
LET'S JUST TABLE IT. PLEASE LET'S COME BACK ON THE
7TH AND DO SOMETHING. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE YOUR SECOND. A PATIENT 30 SECONDS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO TABLE UNTIL -- KIND OF A DUAL TABLE.
A TABLE TO IT THE 4TH, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE COULD BE A NEW PAIRED DOWN AGENDA FOR THE 7TH -- I MEAN --
YES, DECEMBER 7. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I JUST THINK IF YOU HAVE TEN ITEMS, COMMISSIONERS, OR ANY COMMISSIONER, TEN ITEMS THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY -- YOU GOT TO HIT HARD, THEN WE NEED TO BRING THEM UP, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THREE PAGES OF STUFF THAT SAYS MONITOR THIS AND MONITOR THAT AND, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY ARE THERE FOR.
BUT MONITORING -- ANYBODY CAN MONITORING BECAUSE THEY GIVE YOU THE RESULTS AT THE END OF THE WEEK.
THERE ARE ITEMS, I AGREE WITH YOU, THAT NEED TO BE PUSHED ON.
BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT REAL HARD.
AND I AM STILL LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE ABOUT EIGHT ITEMS THAT I KNOW THAT REALLY NEED TO BE PUSHED FORWARD. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE CAN COME BACK WITH -- WITH YOU OR ANYBODY TO COULD AM BACK WITH TEN ITEMS IN THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 7TH OR 14TH, THIS IS WHAT I REALLY WANT TO PUSH. LET'S GO FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE GOOD ITEMS, LET'S MOVE IT.
IF THEY ARE NOT, THEY WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED -- THREE PAGES IS A LOT FOR.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT A LOT OF TIMES WE ADOPT AGENDAS. THE CORPUS CHRISTI CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ADOPT. WE ADOPT TEXAS A&M'S AGENDA.
WE ADOPT DIFFERENT POLITICAL JURISDICTIONS AGENDA IN PART AND ON WHOLE WHY YOU ACCEPT A LENGTHY AGENDA ITEM.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OKAY. JUST TO -- AND REALLY THE NEXT ONE IS THE UPDATE -- GOSH, MIKE, I APOLOGIZE.
I SHOULD HAVE CALLED YOU OUT OF ORDER WHEN YOU WERE TALKING -- WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON EVEN THE EDC HAS A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT IS PRETTY IMPACTFUL ON CERTAIN ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE NEW COURT. BUT IF YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT
[9. Receive semi-annual update on activities of the Corpus Christi Regional Economic Development Corporation.]
THEM, IT'S HARD TO GET THINGS ACCOMPLISHED.MIKE, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US YOUR UPDATE.
ITEM -- FOR THOSE FOLLOWING ALONG, ITEM NUMBER 9.
>> GOOD MORNING. IF YOU BRING UP MY -- MY PRESENTATION. FIRST OFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> RIM CEO. JUST SO YOU DON'T THINK I AM GETTING TOO BIG FOR MY PANTS. THE CORPUS CHRISTI EDC.
WE ARE CURRENTLY IN SEARCH FOR A NEW CEO.
AND THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.
I KNOW EVERYBODY IS BUSY. AND I APPRECIATE IT.
CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE GO OVER SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT IF WE CAN DO THAT FOR CITY COUNCIL WHO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE ALL OF THIS DATA, BUT MANY TIMES THEY DON'T HAVE A GREAT -- BOARDS DO NOT HAVE A GREAT SNAP SHOP.
BUILDING PERMITS. THE COUNTY HAS THEIRS AS THEY GO THROUGH YOU WILL SEE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON RESIDENTIAL.
FUROR BACK IN 2017 SESSION, THE LEGISLATURE SAID YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO NOMINATE THE AMOUNT OF YOUR PERMIT.
SO THEY WENT TO SQUARE FOOTAGE. COMMERCIAL IS 92 AND $180 MILLION. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK OVER AT 2019, 20, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS ACTUALLY HIGH THERE.
THE DEL MAR COLLEGE WINWARD CAMPUS.
NOT THE WINWARD, THE OSO CAMPUS WAS MOVING THROUGH THERE.
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HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS MORE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.LOCAL HOUSING MARKET IS SO. WHERE WE ARE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND CHOICES ON AIR TRAVEL. WE HAVE GONE ON A COUPLE OF TRIPS THAT WE NORMALLY DO. YOU CAN SEE -- THE VERY BOTTOM OF IT SEPTEMBER TO YEAR TO DATE IS -- WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING VERY WELL AND KNOW IT IS NOT LINEAR AND WE WILL GET CLOSE TO 2019 NUMBERS AND WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FOR OUR CITIZENS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AIRPORT IS REALLY TRYING TO DO AND I AM -- TRUTH BE TOLD, FULL DISCLOSURE, PART OF THE AIRPORT BOARD AS AN EX-OFFICIO IS TO GET PEOPLE TO FLY OUT OF CORPUS CHRISTI. BY FLYING OUT OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WE WILL GET CHEAPER FARES. WE WILL GET MORE FLIGHTS.
I AM NOT GOING TO SAY WE WOULDN'T HAVE DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS, ALTHOUGH, SOUTHWEST HAS OPENED UP A DIRECT TO DENVER AIRLINES TOO YOU WILLY HAVE -- AND HAVE PERFECT KNOWLEDGE. THEY KNOW WHERE YOU STARTED AND KNOW WHERE YOU ARE ENDED EVERY SINGLE DAY.
LET'S IF LOOK AT THE HOUSING MARKET.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE SEEING IN SEPTEMBER.
YOU CAN SEE HOW EVERYTHING IS STARTING TO LOOSEN UP AND KIND OF A SEASONAL THING BECAUSE PEOPLE MOVE DURING THE SUMMER.
EVEN WHEN I WAS IN THE MILITARY, WE MOVED TOURING THE SUMMER.
THAT WILL LOOSEN UP AND A BUSINESS TIGHTENING IN DECEMBER.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE SEE AS INTEREST RATES ARE GOING UP, THAT WILL COOL OFF OF THE MARKET.
PEOPLE ARE LIKE 5% TO 7%. MY FIRST HOUSE WAS 12% IN 1918.
AND WASN'T A LOT -- A LOT -- IN 1981.
THERE WASN'T A LOT OF PRINCIPAL PAID DOWN AND THREE YEARS I HAD TO MOVE. OVER THE 50 YEARS, AFTER A 5%.
YOU WILL SEE THAT AND YOU WILL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH HOW THAT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE HOUSING MARKET.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.SALES TAX. SALES TAX IS VERY IMPORTANT AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE EVERYBODY IS GOING.
I WANT TO DRAW YOU TO ROBSTOWN. ROBS TOWN IS ACTUALLY.
AND IN '18, '19. WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE YOU LOOK AT. YOU CALL THAT A NORMAL YEAR.
THAT WAS OUR LAST NORMAL LEER. THEY WENT UP -- ACTUALLY A -- THEY DID NOT GO DOWN VERY MUCH IN COVID AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE MAN FOUND PEOPLE WERE SHOPPING CLOSE TO HOME.
AND THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, RIGHT.
AS WE CAME OUT OF IT, STARTED TO GO DOWN.
A LOT OF THAT WE STILL THINK IS MORE CONSTRUCTION WISE.
THE CITIES GET A LOT OF MONEY OUT OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
A LOT OF SALES TAX MONEY COMING DOWN.
OVER ALL, WE ARE GOING UP, WE HAVE PROBLEMS IN ROBSTOWN.
BISHOP. CLOSE TO WHERE THEY ARE IN 2018 '19. DURING COVID, PEOPLE WERE SHOPPING LOCAL AND SO THEIRS WENT UP.
SAME FOR DRISCOLL. SO -- NEXT SLIDE SO EMPLOYMENT BECOMES -- YOU KNOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EMPLOYMENT FOR CORPUS CHRISTI. FOR THE MSA, BUT IN PARTICULAR, WE ARE LOOKING FOR -- THIS IS HOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD -- WE WERE EXPANDING THOSE INDUSTRIES THAT WE ARE BRINGING IN.
THESE INDUSTRIES AND THE INDUSTRIES WE HAVE NOW HAVE THE SAME TYPES OF WORKERS, MILL, PROCESS TECHNOLOGY AND WE LOOK AT IT THROUGH HERE. OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM -- NOTICE HOW I USE THE 2019 CHANGE FROM. IT IS LOG LOGGING, MINING AND CONSTRUCTION. CONSTRUCTION IS NOT ONLY HOUSING, NOT ONLY INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS A HUGE PART OF OURS SENSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN VERY -- WE HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD TO BRING IN ALL OF THAT ALL ARE OF THAT INVESTMENT THAT COME TO OUR REGION AND LOOKING AT OIL AND OIL FIELD AND MINING.
THAT IS WHERE IT IS LOCATED IN THAT SECTOR.
I KNOW SOMETHING NOT PUMPING. IRANIANS AREN'T PUMPING.
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EVERYBODY IS PUMPING EXCEPT THE EAGLEFORD.UNTIL WE GET A LONG-STEM STRATEGY ON OIL THAT INVESTORS AND OW OWNERS CAN LOOK AT AND K THEY WILL GETTING A RETURN ON INVEST, YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT SEE THAT -- SITTING AT 78, EAGLE FORD AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SEEING.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATES ARE -- WE ARE TREND DOWN WE JUST KIND OF SIT ON TOP OF TEXAS AND THE UNITED STATES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUSHED HARD. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE EX-OFFICIOS OF TEXAS A ANDM. THEY DON'T TELL THAT YOU MULTIFAMILY, BUT PART OF THAT GAP, THAT 1% GAP IS EDUCATION.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA.
YOU ARE LIMITED. YOU ARE GET A JOB, GO TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, AND SO YOU ARE MOVING.
THAT IS THE FRICTION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
WE HAVE FULL EMPLOYMENT AT 4% BECAUSE OF FRICTION, BUT THAT IS OUR PROBLEM. WE NEED TO WORK HARD -- WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO GET THOSE KIDS INTO DEL MAR, FIRST OFF, TO GET THEM GRADUATED. AND SECONDLY TO GET THEM INTO TECHNICAL CERTIFICATION. AND OUR MSA, ONE OUT OF EVERY FOUR PEOPLE, 25% HAVE AT LEAST A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.
SO THAT IS 75% OF PEOPLE DO NOT. AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LIFE-LONG LEARNER, SO WE HAVE TO START OUT IN AND CON CONVINCING AND TELLING THESE KIDS THAT THEY NEED TO FIND SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN GO IN IF COLLEGE ISN'T IT OR -- I GRADUATED COLLEGE IN ASH WHEN I WAS 22.
MY WIFE GRADUATED WHEN SHE WAS # 1.
SHE HAS A PH.D. NOW. NOT EVERYBODY IS READY FOR COLLEGE RIGHT OUT, BUT THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO AND MAKE MONE SHE HAS A PH.D. NOW. NOT EVERYBODY IS READY FOR COLLEGE RIGHT OUT, BUT THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO AND MAKE MONEY AND RAISE MONEY AND YOU GO OUT YOU AS AN ENTREPRENEUR CAN OPEN A SMALL BUSINESS. THESE ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO AND HELP YOU WITH. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
I AM GOING TO TALK VERY QUICKLY OF THE HOUSING MARKET.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE OF A HOME.
THE OTHER PART IT THE AVERAGE WAGE.
THE REASON WHY -- AND THEY ONLY TOUCH NEW TWO PLACES.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT THE -- THAT A BANK USUALLY DOES SOMETHING LIKE THREE TIMES, YOUR WAGE, YOUR -- YOUR ANNUAL, LESS DEBT. WE ARE LIVING A A GAP.
THAT GAP DURING COVID-19, THE AVERAGE HOUSING PRICE WENT WAY UP. IT WENT UP SOMETHING LIKE 36%.
SO WE NEED TO FIND THESE THINGS. WE NEED HOME BUILDERS HERE AND GET HOMES IN THE GROUNDS. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH HOME BUILDERS, IF YOU STILL DON'T HAVE FRAMERS, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY HOME BUILDERS YOU HAVE. WE ARE WATCHING CLOSELY ON THIS.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. LET'S GO ONE MORE.
I TALKED THAT ONE OUT. ALL RIGHT, OUR PIPELINES.
THIS IS -- THIS IS THE THING THAT IS PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE. WE ARE SEEING AS -- AS AN ENTIRE MOVEMENT IS GREEN ENERGY, AND YOU WILL SEE GREEN ENERGY AND YOU WILL HEAR THE TALK OF A I M -- AMMONIA. WE TALK OF GREEN ENERGY, WE TALK OF MAKING HYDROGEN WITH RENEWABLE RESOURCES, THEY NEWABLE ENERGY. BLUE HYDROGEN IS MAKING HYDROGEN WITH -- THE SUNSHINES DURING THE DAY BUT YOU USE POWER OFF THE POWER GRID AT TIME IN. THINGS LIKE THAT HYDROGEN IS HARD TO MOVE. THINK OF THE HIH HINDINBERG ANDS DIDN'T GO WELL. AND AMMONIA IS FINE.
WE ARE USED TO IT. 60% OF THE BASIS OF ALL FERTILIZER. IT IS LIQUID AT ROOM TEMPERATURE. AND THAT IS WHY YOU WILL HEAR
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AMMONIA I CAN'T PRODUCTS. NOT NECESSARILY MAKING AMMONIA BUT A COUPLE OF PROJECTS MAKING AMMONIA FOR FERTILIZER BECAUSE OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE, BUT A WAY TO MOVE HYDROGEN.WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL, THAT REALLY HELPED.
SO NOW YOU ARE SEEING THINGS LIKE THE KING RANCH WITH CARBON SEQUESTRATION. THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY HAD A PROGRAM AT TEXAS A&M, HEART RESEARCH INSTITUTE THAT I ATTENDED. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET FROM WHERE WE ARE TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE BY ONE THING.
YOU CAN'T JUST PLANT DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF TREES.
BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, YOU ARE GOING TO CAP OUT AT IT.
NUMBER TWO, THINK OF THE FOREST FIRES IN CALIFORNIA.
THAT PUTS IT RIGHT BACK IN THE AIR.
BUT WITH NINE OR TEN DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, WE CAN GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS A NATION, AS A WORLD, TO GO FORWARD AND GET THIS UNDER CONTROL AND DO THIS SMARTLY INSTEAD OF CUTTING EVERYBODY AND SAYING EVERYBODY HAS GO TO GET ELECTRIC CARS AND WHATEVER. SO WE STILL HAVE A STEEL MANUFACTURER LOOKING AT US AND DRONES.
I GET BEAT UP ABOUT TECH, HIGH-TECH, AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SAN ANTONIO THEY HAVE CYBER SECURITY.
THE REASON THEY HAVE CYBER SECURITY BECAUSE THE AIRPORT PUT CYBER SECURITY. CORPUS CHRISTI HAS BEEN DESIGNATED ONE OF THE SIX FAA SITES AND WITHER TRYING TO BRING DRONES HERE AND THAT IS THE KIND OF TECH THAT WE CAN PUSH AND PUSH TO YOUR AIRPORT, YOU KNOW TO THE COUNTY AIRPORT, BECAUSE THE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS BUSY AND A AWAY FROM -- AWAY FROM THE NAVAL BASE AND THE NAVAL BASE IN KINGSVILLE AND CORPUS CHRISTI. IT HAS BECOME VERY IMPORTANT US TO ADVANCED MANUFACTURE SOMETHING JUST LIKE THAT SOLAR PANELS AND SOME COUNTY THINGS THEY COME THROUGH THAT REQUIRE A HIGHER LEVEL OF SKILL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT IS WHEN YOU DRIVE OUT -- I KNOW IT IS COLD HERE, BUT THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE SHOULD BE RIGHT NOW 75.
WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO CLOSE YOUR LAPTOP.
CHICAGO AND INSTEAD OF WALKING OUT AND FREEZING TO DEATH, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE BEACH. THINK ABOUT THAT.
VERY RARELY IN DOWN HERE IF YOU GET LOCKED OUT OF YOUR HOUSE YOU WON'T DIE. THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
WE ARE TOO IG TO BRING THESE PEOPLE AND THESE PLAYERS AND SHOW A QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF LIFE.
A QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY AND WE HAVE AS AN ACTION ITEM TO KEEP UP ON THE ACTION ITEMS AS WE GO THROUGH.
AND WE ALREADY HAD TWO MEETINGS NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
SO WE DON'T JUST SIT IN THE OFFICE.
WE DO QUITE A BIT FOR DRONE SHOWS.
MANUFACTURING. WE HAVE MET A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN HYDROGEN CONFERENCES AND THIS IS HOW WE GET READY AND YOU CAN SEE THAT LAST ONE, MOVE AMERICA.
I REALLY LIKE THAT. BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING OF THE WHOLE MOVING RAILCAR, TRUCK, YOU KNOW, INTERMODAL, THINGS LIKE THAT WHICH IS VERY GOOD FOR ONE OF THE THINGS THE INLAND PORTS THAT THE COUNTY IS BACKED FOR A LONG TIME.
NEXT ONE, PLEASE. SO -- LET'S SEE.
WE VISIT COMPANIES AND WE DON'T -- WE DON'T JUST VISIT COMPANIES THAT INVEST THOSE. WE VISIT EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BUSINESSES NEED SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AND INFORM YOU, HEY, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DO BUSINESS.
AND 45 WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE NOT BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
I AM NOT -- I AM TALKING ABOUT NOT BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
I LEFT HERE. 1975 TO GO TO COLLEGE IN AUSTIN.
I WENT OVER THE HARBOR BRIDGE, AND, YES, THE INMATES WERE WAVING FROM THE TOP FLOOR. IT WAS THAT LONG AGO.
LEFT HERE, $254,000. AUSTIN 2018.
CAME 30 YEARS LATER AND I WAS IN THE NAVY AND DRAGGED MY -- ONE DAY SHE CAME BACK AND SAID I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE BACK TO CORPUS CHRISTI. WE CAME BACK DOWN HERE IN 2005
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ACROSS THE BRIDGE, SAID 277. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE NOT BUSINESS FRIENDLY. THAT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU START DOING THINGS -- IT IS NOT -- YOU WILL -- YOU WILL MISS PROJECT -- AND BECAUSE OF THIS. OR BECAUSE OF THAT.OR PEOPLE WON'T EXPAND HERE. BUT YOU WON'T NOTICE IT UNTIL 10 YEARS LATER AND ALL THAT IS HAPPENING IS YOUR BUSINESSES THEIR EVALUATION IS JUST GETTING LOWER AND LOWER AND LOWER AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE IN AND BY HOUSES AND CREATE NEW HOUSES. THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE NEED TO -- THE EDC NEED TO KEEP YOU APPRISED ON THINGS LIKE THAT AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO IT.
NEXT SLIDE. MUST HAVE A QUALIFIED SITE.
A RECENT PROJECT FOUND US THROUGH OUR QUALIFIED SITES.
THEY FOUND A SITE. AND THEY CONTACTED US.
AND WE STARTED DOING ALL OF OUR PROGRAMMING TO HELP THEM ULTIMATELY COME HERE AND WE WILL SEE.
BUT THESE QUALIFIED SITES AND IN CORPUS CHRISTI IN NUECES COUNTY RIGHT AT THE AIRPORT. I REMEMBER THERE USED TO BE LIKE A FILM THING RIGHT BY THE AIRPORT WHEN YOU FIRST PULLED IN ON INTERNATIONAL DRIVE. WE HAD THE ROBSTOWN WHICH WE.
WHICH WE PURCHASED SOLID ROCK, AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT. ESPECIALLY THE 44 CORRIDOR WITH INDUSTRY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE DONE, 65 -- 56 MILLION IN INVESTMENT. NEXT SLIDE.
AND ALL OF THESE ARE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AND ALL SORTS OF THE REGIONS. AND EVEN IF THEY ARE IN ANOTHER COUNTY, I CAN PROMISE YOU 50% LIVE IN NUECES COUNTY.
ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS ON OUR THING IS TO TELL YOU WHAT WE MAKE. AND THAT IS YOU ARE BUDGET.
AND THAT IS OUR BREAKDOWN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING REPRESENTATIVES. OF COURSE YOU ARE AT 50,000 AND SAM PATRICIO IN PORTLAND AND ALL HAVE ONE SEAT.
EXPENSES MATCH OUR REVENUES. AND WE ARE AUDITED EVERY YEAR.
WE GO THROUGH AN AUDIT. PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND WE JUST DID
SO WE ARE TARGETING. WE HAD A TARGETED -- AND A PLACE MAKING. AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE PUSHING TOWARD -- ACCESS TO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE US A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK. COMPANIES FIND US BECAUSE -- THREE CLASS RAILROADS, PROXIMITY TO MEXICO.
CHEAPER LABEL. THOSE ARE THE THINGS.
TO KEEP THE PEOPLE HERE TO HAVE YOUR PEOPLE COME HERE AND STAY HERE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO YOUR EMPLOYERS.
THESE ARE THE THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND CALLED THE STICKINESS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND OF A REGION.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WE WILL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SPORE MONETARILY. SUPPORT OF BEING ON THE BOARD.
I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING HARD TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR THE REGION -- FOR THIS COUNTY.
WE BELIEVE THAT WE UNDER STAND QUITE WELL AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET OUR EXPERTISE. ANSWER QUESTIONS AND GIVE BRIEFS WHENEVER YOU NEED IT. NEXT SLIDE.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU KNOW WHERE I -- WHERE I RESIDE.
AND YOU CAN COME FIND ME THERE. >>JUDGE CANALES: MIKE, MAYBE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW BUT YOUR INTENT IS TO RETIRE IN 2023, ALTHOUGH THAT IS A LONG WAY AWAY STILL HAVE THAT DATE IN THE SUMMER, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU JUST SAID WHICH WAS NOT JUST A GOOD PRESENTATION, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY LESSON. YOU CAME BACK.
YOU CHOSE TO COME PACK AFTER -- AFTER YOUR SERVICE.
AND YOU SEE THE WORLD IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY.
AND YOU HAVE GOTTEN TO SEE THE MASSIVE GROWTH THAT WE CALL THE REGIONAL -- SEEING THE EVOLUTION/TRANSLATION THAT IS BRINGING NEW BUSINESSES AND STILL A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
BUT THERE ARE SMALL WINS AND THERE ARE LARGE WINS AND THEN
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THERE IS, LIKE, WHALE WINS, RIGHT.>> YEMS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO AT LEAST -- I ONLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME LEFT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR
ENTIRE TEAM HAVE DONE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING FOR A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. SOURCE GOING TO BE THE INTERIM AND WE ARE IN GOOD HANDS. ALL THE GREAT PROJECTS THAT WILL BE SLATED WILL HAVE GREAT ATTENTION.
YOU HAVE A GREAT STAFF, INCLUDING SARAH, WHO IS MODERNIZED. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOOK AT THE WEB SITE BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I KNOW THERE WASN'T TIME TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT WE ARE DOING GREAT THINGS LIKE TAKING CARE OF CEO'S SIGNIFICANT/SPOUSES WHEN THEY COME.
WE ARE DOING RECRUITMENT FOR SOME OF OUR LARGE PARTNERS INCLUDING HOSPITALS. AND THAT MEANS IF WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT MEETS AT THE STROKE CENTER OR A PARTICULAR PERSON, WE ARE GETTING INVESTED IN WHAT I CALL SOME OF THE HUMAN ELEMENTS. AND WE ALSO MADE A MAJOR INVESTMENT WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH QUART OF MACE. NOBODY SAID THOSE WORDS UNTIL FOUR YEARS AGO AND WE CHANGE THAT.
AND ALTHOUGH IT STILL HOOKS SIMILARLY THE SAME ON THE POPULATION SIGNS, I HAVE A SNEAKING SUSPICION THAT THE NEXT TEN YEARS IF WE KEEP DOING THINGS RIGHT.
AND NOT DOING OUR WAY. WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT TOO OFTEN.
WE CAN STAY OUT OF EACH OTHER'S WAY.
THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU DO AND POPULATION NUMBERS CHANGE AND NOT JUST A CHANGE IN THE NUMBER BUT A CHANGE IN THE DIVERSIFICATION OF THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THATCH IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING IN THE FUTURE AND I THINK IT IS EXCITING.
THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT RESOURCES AND HELP, BUT THING THERE IS A LOT HAPPENING RIGHT THIS MOMENT THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF KEEP OUR EYES ON THE BALL. SO KEEP IN TOUCH, AS THEY SAY I KNOW THE PRESENTATIONS ARE SLATED BUT IT IS OKAY TO COME IN AND SHARE WITH US IF YOU THINK SOMETHING IS IMPACTFUL.
WE HAVE DONE THAT. SO APPRECIATE THAT.
WE WILL KEEP THAT COPY, CONNIE AND GET IT TO EVERYBODY.
SENT IT BACK TO IDAY AND ALL OF US.
THE SAME ONE IS ON -- ALL RIGHT, IT IS ALREADY ATTACHED.
YOU CAN USE THAT. WHY YOUR SENIOR EXECUTIVE BREAKFASTS ONLY FOR -- I GET INVITED BECAUSE I AM A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, BUT CAN -- IT IS OKAY IF THE ANSWER IS NO, CAN ANY OF
>>JUDGE CANALES: I MIGHT WANT TO SHARE THAT.
>> I KNOW IT GETS A LITTLE HARD. SO OUR BOARD MEETING IS THE SECOND THURSDAY. AND THE PARKS AND REC IS THE TWO DAYS BEFORE THAT. NOT ALWAYS THE SECOND TUESDAY, I AM SORRY, BUT YOU CAN GO ON THE DEB SITE AND SEE WHEN THE NEXT ONE IS AND WE APPRECIATE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO COME TO THOSE TO LEARN TO LISTEN. I WILL TELL YOU PEOPLE ARE REFRESHINGLY HONEST WHEN THEY COME IN THE ROOM AND HAVE A BREAKFAST TACO IN THEM. AND HOT COFFEE.
AND YOU CAN SEE -- YOU CAN SEE FOR EXAMPLE WHEN THE ENGINEERS ARE BUSY THAT THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE BUSY IN THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. SO WE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO YOU THAT. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SPEAK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. YOU CAN COME AND LISTEN.
>>JUDGE CANALES: GREAT. I HOPE THEY TAKE YOU UP ON IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON.
MY INTENTION IS TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK AROUND THE 11:45
[10. Receive update from Project Manager on boiler installation project in Nueces County Courthouse complex, and related matters.]
HOUR. LET'S SEE HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN GET ACCOMPLISHED. ITEM NUMBER 150.I SEE THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM WAITING.
WE WILL GET AN UPDATE FROM THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THE BOILER INSTALLATION PROJECT IN NUECES COUNTY.
SO COMPANY IS SHANE TOP COME AND GET US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. AS THEY SAY WHAT IS HAPPENING.
AND HOW ARE WE DOING ON THE BOILER PROJECT AND THEN AND THIS OUT TO ANYBODY ELSE YOU WILL NEED TO.
>> ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL THAT UP.
>> YEAH, THAT'S IT. >> GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR,
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COMMISSIONERS. SHE WILL JUST PULL THAT UP THERE IN JUST A SECOND. OKAY.WE WILL GO OVER THE BOILER INFORMATION.
THERE ARE TWO COUPLE OF SLIDES IN HERE THAT WILL TALK.THE ADA PROJECT. AND THE REASON WHY I'M PUTTING THAT IN THERE. A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE FOR EVERYBODY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THEY THINK AS I WILL BE TURNING ALL THOSE PROJECTS OVER TO JOHN MONTOVA.
>>JUDGE CANALES: SOUNDS GOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE -- WHICH IS THE ONE -- START WITH ADA FIRST. IT IS PROPER AND SAYS AND RELATED MATTERS IN THE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX.
I WANT TO KNOW EVEN THOUGH I ANNOUNCED IT AS BOILERS, PROPER TO HEAR OF THE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX.
>> I WANTED TO RUN THROUGH SO GIVES EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THE WORK GOING ON THROUGHOUT THIS COMPLEX. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW COMPLETED AREAS YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THEM. THE WOMEN'S REST ROOM ON THE 10TH. THE WOMEN'S REST ROOM ON THE 10TH FLOORTH FLOOR, 6TH FLOOR. THEY ARE MOVING AROUND A BIT ON THIS COMPLEX AND YOU ARE LEARNING MORE AND MORE THAT WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE DOOR FRAMES AND EVERYTHING GOING ON AT THAT TIME. IF YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER. YOU WILL SEE CURRENTLY WHERE THEY ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW AND WHAT IS UPCOMING.
THE NINTH FLOOR MEN'S ROOM AND THIRD FLOOR HANDICAPPED MEN'S RESTAURANT. SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND COMPLETED AREAS THAT ARE DONE RIGHT NOW IS THE 403 COURTROOM. THERE ARE SOME FEW MINOR TOUCHES THAT NEED TO BE DONE WITH THIS. BUT THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
ROOM 404 IS PENDING THE JUDGE'S BENCH TO IT BE INSTALLED.
AND THEN THERE IS SOME WORK AND QUESTIONS TO GO ON IN THE 10TH FLOOR COURT ROOM AND ALSO QUESTIONS AS TO THE FIRST FLOOR BENCHES IN THE COURT ROOM THERE ON THE FIFTH FLOOR AS THERE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION YET ABOUT A LAYOUT.
I SHARED THAT CONCERN WITH ALL THE TEAM IN PUBLIC WORKS AS OF YESTERDAY. AS WE GO TO THE NEXT LEAD IS, YOU CAN SEE PICTURES HERE WHERE WE SEE ONE OF THE REST ROOM DEMOLITIONS IN THE FIRST TWO SLIDES ON THE LEFT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE REST ROOM COMPLETED SHOWING THE NEW TILE AND FIXTURES BEING INSTALLED. AND YOU CAN SEE THE COURT ROOM ON THE FOURTH FLOOR HAS BEEN INSTALLED.
NEW FLOORING AND BENCH. PANELS ARE BEING INSTALLED NOW.
NEXT SLIDE BE. NEXT SLIDE SHOW AS LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT IS GOING ON THROUGHOUT THIS ADA PROJECT, THROUGH THEIR FOURTH-FLOOR COURT ROOMS THAT HAVE THE CARPET INSTALLED.
A WORK AREA THAT HAS OPINION DONE IN THE BACK AREA, AND THEN ANOTHER REST ROOM. THE NEXT -- WOMAN THE REST ROOMS
THEY HAVE GONE A GOOD JOB. THE NEXT ONE WE WANTED TO NOTE THAT IT WAS A NICE LITTLE UPGRADE TO KNOW.
YESTERDAY, IT WAS NICE TO SEE THAT THE COURTHOUSE'S EXTERIOR REHAB WORK MADE IT INTO THIS ISSUE OF STONE WORLD MAGAZINE.
AN E-MAGAZINE. YOU CAN PULL THAT UP AND SEE
THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S GREAT.
>> AND THEN YOU CAN SEE STONE AREA.
THE ONE THING WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT WHERE YOU SEE THE ROOFING AND THE ATRIUM GLASS THAT IS THERE. ON THE ROUND PART OF THAT TOWER TO THE RIGHT THERE OF THE ATRIUM GLASS.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WATER LEAKAGE THERE THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AS FAR AS PHOENIX ONE COMING TO LOOK AT IT.
AS SOON AS WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, I HAD THEM COME OUT.
THEY ARING TO A REPORT ON THAT. AND -- THEY ARE DOING A REPORT
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ON THAT AND THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT REPORT IN THE NEXT COUPLEOF DAYS. >>JUDGE CANALES: WASN'T IT -- MAYBE JUAN CAN HELP ME REMEMBER. WASN'T IT ALWAYS -- WHEN WE SAID WE WOULD MEET A NEW ROOF. WE WOULD REDO THE SKY.
I AM GOING TO CALL IT -- CALL IT THE ATRIUM GLASS.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE SCOPE OF WORK WITH COVID-19 AND RICHTER. I WANT TO CAUTION EVERYBODY NOT TO PANIC THAT IT IS THE REASON WE ARE DOING THAT IS PAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. THAT'S GREAT.
ARE YOU AT A GOOD STOPPING POINT FOR ME TO ASK A QUESTION.
IT GOES BACK TO THE ADA. AND I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE ADDRESS IT AND I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
THERE WAS A -- NOT A CONCERN BUT MORE OF A -- OF A COMMENT THAT -- TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE ADA ONE SCENARIO WHERE THE JURORS HAVE TO ENTER AND GO IN FRONT OF WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE COUNCIL TABLE AND DEFENDANTS. WAS THAT RESOLVED?
>> THAT STILL HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED YET COMPLETELY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD OF JUDGES. I WILL ASK YOU TO JOIN ME WITH THE BOARD OF JUDGES MEETING BEFORE WE DO ALL OF THEM THAT WAY, THAT WE REALLY THINK.IT. IT'S THE -- THE COLLISION OF WHAT LOOKS GOOD AS AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND WHAT MAKES SENSE INSIDE A COURT ROOM. YOU TYPICALLY WOULDN'T HAVE JURORS GETTING THAT CLOSE TO COUNCIL OR DEFENDANTS.
>> AN ISSUE IN THE FIFTH FLOOR COURT ROOM WHERE THE JUDGE HAS TO WALK. AND THAT WILL BE BROUGHT UP ALSO IN THE BOARD OF JUDGES MEETING ALSO.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM BRING IT UP NOW TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT. NOT LIKE AN ARCHITECT WOULD KNOW THESE THINGS, BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW THEM, HOW IT WE CHANGE THEM SO THAT. IT IS NOT JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE JURORS, BUT FOR THE IMPACT OF THE DEFENDANT TOO.
SO THAT -- IT JUST NEEDS TO BE. >> WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS REALLY COORDINATING WITH COK. AND HE IS LOOKING FOR THOSE EYE
2E78S RIGHT NOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS NOT
OPPOSED TO MAYBE DOING CHANGES? >> NOT AT THIS TIME.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE BOARD OF JUDGES GIVEN IT IS THEIR COURTROOM AND THEY KNOW HOW THIS SHOULD GO. I AM WILLING TO BRING IT BACK ON DECEMBER 7. IF YOU NEED SOME ADDITIONAL WORK, SUPPLEMENTAL WORK TO GET THAT DONE.
BUT I THINK IT WILL BE A MISTAKE TO JUST IGNORE IT AND HAVE BIG TRIALS. COULD BE CAPITAL MURDER.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT INTERSECTION.
WE DON'T CROSS JURORS WITH THOSE DEFENDANTS.
>> YES, MA'AM. I WILL HAVE IT COME BACK TO
COURT ON THE 7TH. >>JUDGE CANALES: DON'T DO EXTRA
WORK UNTIL WE FIGURE IT OUT. >> YES, MA'AM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WHICH IS TRICKY BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE ON A SCHEDULE. NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT THROUGH
QUICKLY. >> IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN GIVEN TO
THE DESIGN TEAM AND EVERYBODY. >>JUDGE CANALES: CLK IS WORKING
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I ASK.
>>JUDGE CANALES: AN ADA. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BEFORE YOU GET TOO FAR IN. GET THE BOILER.
HAVE YOU CIRCULATED IT SHALL A MEMO FROM MR. WHEATON ON THAT THAT. HAS THAT BEEN CIRCULATED.
THE COURT WILL BENEFIT FROM REVIEWING THAT.
I HADN'T GOTTEN IT AND I HAVE NOW DONE IT.
>> ARE YOU TALKING OF THE COMPARISON THAT YOU ASKED FOR
THAT CAME FROM RON WHEATTON? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DID IT COME TO YOU, BOILER REPAIR RECAP.
>> I SENT OUT TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY.
THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE OLD BOILTERS AND THE NEW BOILERS WHICH I BELIEVE -- WE WILL SEE IT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A MEMO BOILER REVIEW RECAP FROM RON WHEATON. I DON'T REAR -- DID I MISS THAT
FROM WHAT YOU SENT? >> I DON'T THINK SO.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU DIDN'T SEND ME THAT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MEMO IS AND NEEDS TO BE CIRCULATED TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.
IT HAS A LOT OF INFO AND A LOT OF KIND OF CONCERNING INFO, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED BUT IF NOBODY ELSE GOT IT UP HERE BEFORE YOU GET INTO IT, IT WILL BE REALLY HARD TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW -- JUAN, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT MEMO OR ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT MEMO? I THINK THE COURT NEEDS TO SEE
IT. >> I JUST GOT IT LAST WEEK WHEN I GOT -- LAST WEEK WHEN I GOT THE REPORT, COMMISSIONER.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAY THAT AGAIN.
>> LAST WEEK I GOT THE REPORT. I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SOMEBODY CIRCULATE TO THE REST OF THE
MEETING. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST PUBLISH
THAT FOR US. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PLEASE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST PUBLISH IT.
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>> WE WILL PUBLISH THAT, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN A FEW TIMES BEEN CIRCULATED.
THIS MEMO WE ARE LOOKING AT I SENT OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES AS IT KEEPS GETTING UPDATED. AND YOU WILL NOTICE DIFFERENT
COLORS IN THAT REPORT. >> THIS ONE IS UPDATED NOVEMBER 10 WHICH IS VERY RECENT AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT UNTIL RIGHT THIS MINUTE AND I AM WONDER GOING THE REST OF THE COURT HAVEN'T SEEN IT EITHER BECAUSE WE ARE VERY CONCERNED OF THIS BOILER ISSUE AND CONCERNED WHY WE ARE NOT GETTING THIS STUFF.
THIS IS NOVEMBER -- WHAT IS TODAY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: TODAY IS THE 16TH AND NOVEMBER 11 WAS A
HOLIDAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RIGHT.
SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE CIRCULATED THIS TO US AND I CAN'T FIND IT IN MY E-MAIL. I HAD SOMEBODY ELSE SEND IT TO ME. THAT NEEDS TO BE PUBLISHED RIGHT
NOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S LET IDAI
WORK ON THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT WHICH WERE DOING BOILERS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: FINISHING WITH COURT HOUSE IMPROVEMENTS AND
HEAD TO BOILERS. >> I WAS GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT -- THE GENERATORS JUST AS A QUICK UPDATE THERE.
CURRENTLY DOING WORK WORE THE PADS ON THE GENERATORS, REBAR INSPECTION FOR MCKENZIE JAIL ANNEX THURSDAY NOVEMBER 17.
CONCRETE PLACEMENT SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY NOVEMBER 18.
THEY HAVE A FEW RAIN DELAYS ON THAT PROJECT OUT THERE AND IN THE ONE IN BACK BECAUSE OF SO MUCH RAIN THERE THIS TIME.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SHOW A COUPLE OF THE PICTURES.
THE PIERS BEING DRILLED AT MCKEN ZEE JAIL ANNEX AND THE CENTER PICTURE IS THE PAD OUT THERE BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE.
NEXT SLIDE. NEXT, WE GET INTO THE GENERATORS AND THE ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACT.
PORTION FOR THIS. AS YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, THE FAIRGROUNDS, HCAC AND THE MOISTURE INTRUSION IS ADDRESSED AND PAVING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS IS FINISHED.
LANDSCAPING AT THE FAIRGROUND IS FINISHED.
AND THE UT TESTING OF THE PIKE HERE FOR THE -- AT THE CENTRAL PLANT HAS BEEN COMPLETED ALSO. AND THERE IS A REPORT FOR THEIR THAT IS IN HERE. ONGOING RIGHT NOW IS THE PAVING START AT GALAHAR AS THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
IS IT START AT THE SALLY PORT THAT HAS BEEN DEMOED AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORK ON THAT. CONTROL FOR THE BOILERS.
THEY ARE SCHEDULED AND HAVING A PRECON -- PRECON LIGHTING MEETING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. IT SAYS TOMORROW AND THAT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN YESTERDAY. AND PUNCH LIST TO THE BOILERS AND CHILLERS ARE ONGOING AND THE VAB INSTALLED IN THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF THIS WEEK AND WILL BE MOVING TO THE SECOND FLOOR NEXT WEEK.
LAST WEEK, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF EMERGENCY ISSUES THAT HAPPENED AS FAR AS THE HOT WATER PUMP TO THE JAIL AND THE HVAC HOT WATER FILL THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN.
THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED. THE VFD THAT NEEDED TO BE IN ORDER FOR THE HOT WATER PUMPS. ABM DID GET THAT IN TODAY.
THAT IS SCHEDULED TO BE INSTALLED LATER TODAY OR TOM TOMORROW.AND THEN CONTROLS WILL BE INSTALLED ON THAT. THEY WILL HAVE THAT ALL COMPLETE AND FIXED BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
AND THEN SOME ONGOING, WHY UPCOMING ACTIVITIES.
INSTALL, FLOOR PAINTING, CERTIFICATION BY THE STATE AGAIN. ITEMS LIKE THAT.
NEXT SLIDE. THE SLIDE SHOW THE PICTURE OF THE SALLY PORT THAT WAS DEMOED AT GALAHA RR AND THE ROAD GOING ALONG THE SIDE BUILDING. --GOLIHAR.
NEXT SHIED. NOW GET INTO THE BOILER PROJECT.
WE HAVE A COMPARISON CHART THAT YOU GUY HAVE ASKED FOR IN THE LAST COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT GAVE INFORMATION ON THE OLD BOILERS AND THE NEW BOILERS. A BREAKDOWN WRITTEN PORTION THAT CAME FROM RON WHEATTON, BUT IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE BOILER COMPARISON COMES IN TO PLAY.
THE THREE ITEMS ON THE LEFT AS YOU CAN SEE ARE THE OLD BOILERS.
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THE THREE ON THE RIGHT ARE NEW BOILER.ONE OF THE THINGS TO NOTE IN HERE IS THAT THE MAX BOILER PRESSURE RATING OF PSI IS 170 PSI AND OF TWO THE OLD BOILERS. 15 PSI ON THE BIG OLD BOILER THAT WAS OUT THERE, BOILER NUMBER 3.
YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT, 150 PSI FOR THE BOILERS.
ALL THREE OF THE NEW STEAM BOILERS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. SO YESTERDAY THERE WAS -- GO TO
THE NEXT SLIDE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I GOT A
QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: GO BACKWARDS.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME -- IF YOU GO TO THE OLD BOILERS. 170, 170 AND 15.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER -- AT THAT TIME IF -- IT WAS 15.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS SO LOW ON THE THIRD --
>> IT WAS THE OLD STEAM BOILER WHO WAS THE BIG BOILER INSTEAD OF A FIRE TUBE BOILER OR WATER TUBE BOILER AS THE BOILERS ONE AND TWO AND ALL THREE OF THE NEW ONES WERE.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALL THREE 150, 150, 150.
IS THAT ON THE THIRD ONE. NUMBER THREE.
IS THAT -- WOULD THAT BE 150 OR SHOULD BE LESS?
>> NO, IT SHOULD BE 150. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALL THOSE BOILERS, THE ONES THAT ARE REPLACED, THE NEW ONES WEREN'T BIGGER THAN THE OLD ONE. PROBABLY SLOWER THAN THE OLD ONE. BECAUSE I THINK AT THIS POINT THEY HAD BOUGHT BIGGER BOILERS INSTEAD OF --
>> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT RON WHEATON WOULD NEED FOR YOU TO MAKE EVERYTHING CLEAR BECAUSE I AM NOT THE ENGINEER.
RON WHEATTON WAS UNABLE TO BE AT THIS MEETING TODAY BECAUSE HE
HAD A PRIOR COMMITMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IS YOUR
GENERAL UNDERSTANDING. >> MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE THE 150 STEAM BOILERS ARE THE GOOD BOILERS THEY ARE THE CORRECT SIZE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OUT HERE.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE PRESSURE VALVES THAT WERE INSTALLED ORIGINALLY AND WHAT IS INSIDE TO THEM NOW.
REREGULATED BY BRYANT AND CLEAVER BROOKS TO BRING THEM
DOWN TO THE 30 POUNDS. >>JUDGE CANALES: REMIND US,
CLEAVER BROOKS IS WHO AGAIN? >> CLEAVER BROOKS IS ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT WORK FOR BRYANT BOILER.
>>JUDGE CANALES: GOT IT. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
>> THEY DO A LOT OF SERVICING FOR THEM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ON BOILERS. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: DIDN'T RON WHEATON HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE BOILERS AT ONE TIME?
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I UNDERSTAND HE WAS CONCERNS OF THE BOILERS, THE SIZE OF THEM OR
HOW MUCH THEY WERE PUTTING OUT? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO WITH THAT,
SIR. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I JUST READ THAT HE HAD A CONCERN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING FROM THE
BOILERS. >> EVERYTHING THAT RON HAS EVER HAD A CONCERN ABOUT ARE IN ALL OF HIS REPORTS.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: OKAY, THANK YOU.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED ALREADY OR NOT. WE ARE THROWING OUT HEARSAY.
>> I CAN'T ANSWER FOR RON WHEATTON.
I AM NOT THE ENGINEER. >> JUDGE CANALES: YOUR JOB IS TO
SEE CONSTRUCTION. >> GET IT ON TIME AND ON BUDGET.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I THINK IT WAS HEARSAY AND WRITTEN BY RON WHEATON ON A REPORT HE GAVE US ONE TIME THAT SAID THAT.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I THINK RON CAN HELP US OUT ON
THAT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT HE
WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHY DON'T WE HEAR FROM RON WHEATTON. CAN HE COME THE NEXT TIME.
IF WE HAVE A QUESTION, I THINK IT IS BEST THAT WE DEAL WITH THE PERSON WHO IS HERE. ANYBODY ELSE IS JUST GOING TO TRY TO INTERPRET FOR HIM. IT SEEMS HIKE IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU WANT TO ASK WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND E-MAIL IT TO IDAY, COPY JUAN. COPY SHANE AND HE CAN ANSWER AND PUT IT IN WRITING. AND IF YOU CAN ATTACH A REPORT.
READING IS, HIGHLIGHT IT AND SAY WHAT DO YOU MEAN HERE.
AND DID YOUR CONCERNS GET ADDRESSED AND IF NO, WHEN AND HOW AND WE CAN DO THAT. TYPICALLY ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS GET DONE IN ENGINEERING MEETINGS AND CONSTRUCTION MEETINGS.
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NOT IN COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETINGS BUT WE CAN DO IT.LET'S GET ALL THE FACTS AND PARTIES STRAIGHT.
BRING THE DOCUMENTS. LET'S ASK HIM THE QUESTION SO WE CAN GET THE RIGHT ANSWER AT THE RIGHT TIME.
I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT WE WANT TO CONTINUE YOUR CONVERSATION.
WHERE ARE YOU HERE? ARE YOU ALMOST DONE HERE?
>> YEAH, I HAVE A FEW MORE POINTS.
I ASKED RON WHEATTON TO BE HERE. HE HAD A PRIOR COMMITMENT
TODAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: UNDERSTOOD.
>> HE COULD NOT BE BUT ABM AND TO MAKE SURE HE IS HERE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS DIRECTLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: FINISHED SLIGHT AND RECAP. I SEE WE HAVE A FEW MORE.
>> A COMPARISON THAT YOU ASKED IN THE LAST COMMISSIONERS COURT WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE NOTICED WAS THE BOTTOM -- STEAM POUNDS PER HOUR.
YOUR OLD BOILERS, 23950 AND NEW BYLERS 11618.
RON CAN CLARIFY HOW THAT WORKS AND THE NEXT TIME HE IS HERE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ASTERISK IS
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WANT TO JUST READ IT?
>> SURE. SYSTEMS RUN ONLY ON OLD BOILER NUMBER THREE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, MEANING THE OLD SYSTEM HERE AT THE COURTHOUSE JAIL. AND TWO NEW BOILERS ARE DESIGNED TO RUN AT ONE TIME PROVIDING SIMILAR CAPACITY TO OLD BOILER NUMBER 3. WITH THE ADDED CAPABILITY OF BEING ABLE TO RUN ON ONE BOILER AT 50% OPERATING LOAD AND 2900 POUNDS OF TEAM PER HOUR. THE 50% LOAD SHIFT PARTIAL FIRING ALLOWS THE NEW SYSTEM MORE COMPATIBILITY TO BE WITH
LOWER LOAD OPERATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: IS THAT A FANCY WAY OF SAYING THEY ARE MORE EFFICIENT.
>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THERE.
THAT ASTERISK IS VERY IMPORTANT. MR. CHESNEY, QUESTION FOR SHANE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK YOU.
I AM LOOKING AT THIS MEMO THAT I RECEIVED.
AND I AM ASSUMING YOU RECEIVED THE UPDATED ONE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND ON HERE, SPECIFIC AREA THAT CONCERNS ME THAT SAYS THESE WATER SAMPLES HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF INTERFERENCE DUE TO LACK OF BOILER -- THIS HARDNESS IS OUT OF CONTROL. THE TDS IS ON THE EXTREME SIDE OF FAILURE. THE WATER SOFTENER.
AND THERE ARE NO SAMPLE BALLOTS AVAILABLE AND NO BASIC CARE FOR THE BOILER AND ABM. JUAN, ANYBODY ELSE.
AND THAT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT LANGUAGE AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN AND DO THAT AND OTHER STUFF.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH MY LINE OF QUESTIONING BEFORE SOMEONE SELLS CAN JOIN IN. IF I CAN HAVE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS AND OTHER STUFF ON THE MEMO AND JUST GETTING IT AND HAVING TO READ IT REAL FAST. BUT A PRETTY BIG JUMP OUT.
>> I CAN ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I WALKED WITH HIM ON THE 10TH.
PART OF THE ISSUE IS -- AND THE WATER SOFTENER AND EVERYTHING THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY INSIDE ROOM 120 OF THE JAIL. THAT IS WHERE THAT WATER SOFTENER POINT IS. WHEN WE WALKED THAT SYSTEM AND THE HOT WATER PORTION WAS DOWN TO THE HVAC WATER FILL THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF SLIDES BACK.
NOTICED THAT WALKING THIS THAT THE SYSTEM THAT IS SUPPOSED TO PUT CHLORINE AND STUFF INTO THE SYSTEM IS NOT RUNNING.
NO YOU IF YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS COURTS BALK, WE PRESENTED A SLIDE THAT SHOWED A WATER SAMPLE THAT WAS TAKEN BY BUYERS MECHANICAL OF HOW DIRTY THE WATER IS HERE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECTS. SO THAT IS WHAT VON TALKING
ABOUT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT ARE
WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? >> ONE OF THINGS IS, IS THAT WE BROUGHT UP TO THE TEAM THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO PUBLIC WORKS AND WORKS WITH THEM TO FIND OUT IF THE POTS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE JAIL ARE GOING MAINTAINED AND THAT THE TABLETS ARE BEING PLACED IN THERE ALL THE TIME.
SO THEY ARE BEING -- CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ARE THESE BOILER THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE COUNTY AT
THIS POINT? >> AT THIS POINT, THAT DOESN'T
HAVE TO DO WITH THE BOILER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHEN IT
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SAYS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE BASIC CARE FOR THESE BOILERS.THAT IS THE WORD "BOILER." I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS NOT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE BOILER. I AM READING FROM THE MEMO THAT THE ENGINEERS SUBMITTED. READ IT AGAIN, NO BASIC CARE BEING TAKEN FOR THESE BOILERS IF THEY HAVEN'T TURNED THE BOILERS.
IF ABM HAVEN'T TURNED THE BOILERS OVER TO THE COUNTY YET.
>> THEY HAVE NOT TURNED THE BOILERS OVER TO THE COUNTY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW COULD THE COUNTY -- THAT SHOULD BE -- ABM WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THE BOILERS UNTIL THEY TURN IT TO US. RIGHT OR WRONG?
>> I WOULD AGREE THAT PART OF IT WILL BE A CHEMICAL SYSTEM THAT GOES INTO THE DEAERATOR TANK THAT IS FUNCTIONAL AND UP AND RUNNING. AND THEY CAN MAKE A BETTER STATEMENT ON THAT AS THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CONTROL THIS PORTION. BUT WHAT I AM TO UNDERSTAND AND THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THAT AS A WALK WITH RON WHEATON, THIS PORTION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND HOW THAT WAS WRITTEN THERE. I NEED TO GO BACK AND ASK HRM.
BECAUSE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON OUR WALK LAST -- LAST WEEK WAS IT WAS THE WATER SYSTEM FOR THE HVAC INSIDE THE JAIL THAT WAS MISSING THE CHLORINE TABLETS THAT NEEDED TO BE.
THE SYSTEM WAS SHUT OFF AT THE VALVES.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FAIR. A PRETTY BROAD STATEMENT AND I GOT THIS 15 MINUTES AGO AND I HAD TO DIGEST IT VERY QUICK.
THAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME. I WILL LEAVE IT FOR THAT FOR NOW. AND IF NOT BASIC CARETAKEN FOR THESE BOILERS. AND WHAT I KEEP HEARING.
WE DON'T WANT THE COUNTY PEOPLE IN HERE AND NOT THE COUNTY'S BOILERS YET AND YOU SAY -- IN OTHER WORDS, THE COUNTY HAS TO BE A FACTOR OR IT IS NOT. SOME HERE AND SOME HERE.
IF THIS IS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF ABM, THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES SHOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE COULD VOID WARRANTY AND -- YOU DID SOMETHING AND YOUR FAULT.
I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY PEOPLE DOING ANYTHING RELATED TO THESE BOILERS UNTIL IT IS TURNED OVER TO US FOR ALL THE REASONS I HAVE BEEN TOLD WE SHOULDN'T BE MESSING WITH IT.
OR AM I IF I AM CONFUSING THINGS, FEEL FREE TO TELL ME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE TELLING THEM TO DO WORK ON THE BOILERS
WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE. >> I NEED TO GET WITH RON WHEATTON BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT
THERE IS ACTUAL FOR THE BORDER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEN THIS REPORT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED BECAUSE THAT STATEMENT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT THE BOILERS HAVEN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
OKAY. THE OTHER PART, TOO, THAT IS CONCERNING -- AGAIN, I AM DOING THIS FAST BECAUSE I JUST GOT IT, AND I AM HAVING TO READ FROM HERE.
IT TALKS ABOUT IN THIS NUMBER 5 LET ME FIND IT.
HOLD ON A SECOND. THAT ITEMS NOTED HERE AND INTENDED TO BE CARRIED OUT WITH ACTION WITHIN A 30-DAY PERIOD WHICH IS NOT THE CASE. CONTINUED DELAY OF COMPLETED WITHIN WHEATON'S WALK-THROUGH LIST OF LOSS OF EFFICIENCY AND POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUES. WE IMPLORE OF THOSE COMPLETING TASKS INVOLVED TO TAKE ACTIONS ON CORRECTION AND COMPLETION.
RESPECTFULLY, I GUESS YOU HAVE GOT TO RESPOND TO THAT.
THAT POINTS AT LAND ALSO IN ADDITION TO BEING ABM.
BECAUSE YOU ARE OUR PROGRAM MANAGER AND YOU ARE THE ONES SUPPOSED -- AND NOT GETTING CORRECTED TIMELY AND YOU HAVE PROBLEMS THAT YOU ALL REPORTED, BUT WHAT ELSE -- AND I AM READING THIS FAST AND A HUGE LONG MEMO.
I GUESS RESPOND TO THAT ONE TOO. >> HOUR, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
THE ONE THING WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS CLEAR THAT THERE WAS A SPECIFIC CONTRACT WRITTEN BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE ABM. AS COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVED.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT CONTRACT MANY, MANY TIMES.
I HAVE MANY NOTICES THAT WERE SENT TO ABM FOR THIS WORK AND IN ORDER FOR THE PUNCH LINE LIST. LAM HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR POWER TO TRY TO PRESS THE CONTRACTOR GET THIS STUFF MOVING FORWARD UNFORTUNATELY I AM NOT ABLE TO MOVE ANYMORE.
WE HAVE GONE SO FAR AS TO GO TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ABOUT IT AT TIMES AND TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IF THERE IS ANYTHING MORE TO DO ON THIS. AND IT IS JUST THE WAY THAT OUR CONTRACT IS WRITTEN THAT KIND OF TIES EVERYBODY'S HANDS.
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>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BASICALLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING -- ARE YOU SAYING THERE IS, THEN, A PROBLEM WITH ABM COMPLYING AND DOING WHAT THEY NEED CONTINUE TO DOING WITH REGARDS TO FIXING THINGS THAT THE ENGINEER HAVE POINTED OUT AND YOU HAVE POINTED O OUT?
>> SING THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS DO NOT RESPOND.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUCK STOPS AT ABM, SUBCONTRACTORS OR NOT. IF WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ABM AND THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS ARE NOT DOING THE WORK, THEY NEED TO GET
A NEW SUBCONTRACTOR. >> WE TOLD THEM THAT A SUBCONTRACTOR THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT BEING DONE. THEY DID DO THAT.
ABM MOVED THAT WORK TO PRO TECH. THEY ARE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE NOW, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THEIR UPPER MANAGEMENT HAS COME INTO PLAY TO CHANGE THAT AROUND.
I HAVE TONING AND TONS OF E-MAILS AND NOTICE TO CURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD TO GET THAT SON.
AND I HAVE DONE AS FAR AS I CAN TO DO -- I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING AS POSSIBLE.
>> INSTEAD OF BRINGING NEW. --LAN -- NOT YOU BUT BRING
IN ABM. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THOUGHT
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HEREBY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET THEM
>>JUDGE CANALES: I JUST WANT TOP DOUBLECHECK.
WHAT SLIDE OR WHAT NUMBER IS THIS?
>> CURRENTLY NOT A SLIDE. THE REPORT HE HAS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WHICH ONE -- WHICH SLIDE WERE YOU ON?
>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT YOU TO FINISH THE PRESENTATION --
COMMITTEES CHEST WAIT, I WANT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THOUGHT YOU
WERE FINISHED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF LAN CAN'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS I NEED ABM UP HERE TO EXPLAIN WHY
THEY ARE NOT DOING WHAT THE ENGINEER AND LAM SAYS. >>COMMISE
A QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: HANG ON ONE
SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY SPECIFIC CONTRACT.
COUNTY HAS A CONTRACT WITH ABM. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHAT
IS SO SPECIFIC IN THERE? >> THE DIFFERENCE IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT CONTRACT THAN WHAT YOU ARE USED TO SEEING.
AND USUALLY SEE A CONTRACT RUFF CONTROL IN EVERYTHING THAT HAS MORE POWER AND GRIP ON IT TO DEAL WITH THE SUBCONTRACTORS AND THE CONTRACTOR AT HAND. THE CONTRACT YOU GUYS HAVE
CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE THAT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHOSE
CONTRACT IS THAT? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT -- I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. BECAUSE IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME AS FAR AS WHO APPROVED AND HOW THAT ACTUALLY ALL WENT.
ALL I KNOW -- GONZALEZ -- >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: BEFORE
MY TIME ALSO. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN GET YOU THAT ANSWER. I HAVE ALL THE E-MAILS REGARDING THAT. WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I WOULD LIKE HIM TO ANSWER MY QUESTION OF RON WHEATON. HE HAD CONCERNS.
>> YES, SIR, COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE.
SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION. >> THAT RON WHEATON HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THESE BOILERS -- DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
>> I HAD A MEETING AND HE DID MAKE A STATEMENT THAT THE BOILERS WERE NOT THE BOILERS THAT HE HAD SPECED OUT.
AND YOU CAN SEE IF YOU GO -- TWO SLIDES BEFORE, WHERE IT SHOWS
>>JUDGE CANALES: SLIDE 14. >> YOU LOOK AT -- YOU LOOK AT THE PLATES ON THE NEW BOILERS, 150 PSI BOILERS AND AFTER A FEW MONTHS, I THINK FEBRUARY AND MARCH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE WERE CHANGE TO -- 30 PS BOILERS.
THE PLATES WERE MODIFIED. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: PLATES
MOD IF I HAD BY WHO? >> REQUIRED FROM THE MANUFACTURER AND MANUFACTURER GAVE NEW PLATES.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE MANUFACTURER PUT IT ON?
>> YES. >> I AM AWARE OF -- THEY DID?
>>JUDGE CANALES: DON'T FORGET TO TAKE THE MICROPHONE.
>> I AM NOT SURE -- IF SHANE IS SAYING THERE WAS A MANUFACTURER.
>>JUDGE CANALES: SHANE, GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE CRY CROW PHONE.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE
MANUFACTURER ABOUT IT? >> YES, SIR, I HAD -- I HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH THE MANUFACTURER AND I HAD A MANAGER A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WITH THE BOILERS.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: DID THEY MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT
CHANGING THE PLATES? >> THEY DID SAY ABM WANTED FROM
130 TO 30 PSI ON THE PLATES. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THEY DIDN'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IS THAT?
>> WHAT WAS THAT, COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THE
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MANUFACTURER DIDN'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?>> THE MANUFACTURER -- WELL, ONE THING THAT THE MANUFACTURER DID STATE IS OF THAT -- WORKING PRESSURE AT 15 PSI, HE DID SAY THAT REDUCING THE SYSTEM -- LOWERING DOWN THE PRESSURE SYSTEM ON IT -- I WANT TO CALL IT THE BURNERS.
THE ONLY WAY TO SAY IT. SWITCH THE BURNERS FROM A LARGE
BURNER. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: HAS
THAT BEEN DONE? >> THAT I AM AWARE OF, NO.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH TBLR -- I SAY WE.
ABM REQUESTED A MEETING AND LARRY AND SHANE WILL TOUCH ON
WHAT TBLR, THE MEET. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THANK YOU. SOME THINGS DON'T ADD UP WHEN THE MANUFACTURER REQUESTED SOMETHING AND ADVISED SOMETHING AND THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE. THANK YOU,.
>>JUDGE CANALES: TAKE THE MICROPHONE AND FINISH THE PRESENTATION AND HEAR FROM ABM. WE NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK.
WE CAN COME RIGHT IN. BUT WE NEED TO DO THAT.
BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ ASKED.
YOU CAN CONFIRM WITH THE COURT REGARDING THE PLATES.
>> WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THE PLATES WERE BY THE MANUFACMANUFACTURE REP.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HE WANT TO ANSWER WHY THEY ARE NOT RESPONDING AND DOING THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ARTICULATED AND THE ISSUE WITH WHEATON ENGINEERING.
>> I AM NOT AWARE WITH ISSUES WITH WHEATON ENGINEERING.
THE ENGINEER OF RECORD. WE HAD SEVERAL ISSUES WITH OUR SUBCONTRACTOR. WE ARE BRINGING IN OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT IS NECESSARY TO GET THIS CORRECTED.
WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW TO GET THOSE PUNCH LIST ITEMS CORRECTED AND EVERYTHING ON THE BOILERS CORRECTED.
I THINK YOU WILL SEE AFTER SHANE GIVES HIS PRESENTATION, HE IS GOING TO ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD RATHER HEAR IT FROM YOU HONESTLY. RESPEC
RESPECTFULLY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: KEEP HEARING FOR ABM AND LAM NEEDS TO SPEAK OF ABM.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE IN THE ROOM OR I WOULDN'T WASTED MY WITH SHANE. THERE SEEMS TO BE NO BASIC CARETAKEN FOR THESE BOILERS. CONFUSION AND THE COUNTY IS DOING SUFFICIENT AND HAVEN'T TURNED THE BOILERS OVER TO US.
>> THERE IS CARETAKEN -- I AGREE WITH SHANE, RON NEEDS TO COME AND CORRECT THAT, BECAUSE I DID WALK THE PROBLEM WITH RON WHEATON, AND THERE WAS SO SOME VALVES CLOSED IN ROOM 120 THAT TAKE CARE OF THE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM THAT I UNDERSTAND WENT TO THE CHILLERS, NOT THE BOILERS.
SO THE NEXT COURT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF RON COULD BE HERE SO CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR RON.
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING LOOKING AT IT LOOKING IN THE FIELD THAT THOSE VALVES TURNED OFF DID NOT GO TO THE BOILERS BUT THE CHILL
WATER SYSTEM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DID YOU SEE THIS UPDATED MEMO ON THE 10TH GENERATED BY MR. WHEATON.
I HAVE, YES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SORRY, DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE IN THE ROOM.
SAME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ON THAT.
A LOT OF PUNCH LIST ITEMS AND I CAN READ THIS TO YOU AGAIN.
CONTINUE DELAY OF COMPLETION OF ITEMS LISTED IN WHEATON LEAD TO EQUIPMENT DAMAGE AND SAFETY ISSUES.
WE IMPLORE -- PRETTY HEAVY WORD FOR THOSE DOING WORK TO TAKE ACTION DEFINITIVELY ON COMPLETIONS.
>> TO HE WAS ARE GETTING DONE. WE ARE DOING THE CONTROLS FROM THE BOILERS TO THE DERATER. WORKING ON THE CONTRACTOR RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THE HOT WATER DISCHARGE OFF THE DERATER. WE HAD A GOOD CALL, AS JUAN MENTIONED WITH THE SAY THE FOR SHANE TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON HERE.
WE HAD ALL PARTIES ON THE CALL. THE CHIEF BOILER INSPECT WE ARE THE STATE, PUBLIC WORKS, ABM, RYAN, THE MANUFACTURER.
A THIRD-PARTY ENGINEER WE HIRED TO DO A REVIEW ON THE CALL AND BASICALLY THE STATE -- EVERYBODY AGREED THE BEST THING TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD BE TO DROP FROM THE 30 PSI TOO A 30 PSI RELIEF VALVE AND CLEARS UP ALL THE ISSUE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DID WE OVERPAY FOR SOMETHING.
>> THE HIGH EFFICIENCY BOILER HAVE MODULATING BURNERS ON THEM.
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LIKE I SAID, A LOT -- A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS WILL COME FROM THE ENGINEER WHO DESIGNED IT. I CAN TELL YOU THEIR HIGH EFFICIENCY MODULATING BOILERS. YOU HAD ONE BOILER RUN IN THE WHOLE THING. NOW YOU HAVE TWO -- TWO OF THEM THAT WILL RUN THAT WILL GO DOWN TO 50%.A LOT MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I SAY
SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER? >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER
GONZALEZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE HAVING SO MUCH PROBLEMS IN THE LAST THREE, FOUR MONTHS FOR ABM. DON'T START THE JOB.
WE TALKED TO SHANE. THERE IS -- THEN THEY CHANGED CONTRACTORS. THEY CHANGED SUBCONTRACTORS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM -- IT SEEMS LIKE -- LIKE, DOMINO EFFECT HERE FOR EVERY JOB. THIS IS HAPPENING NOW.
WE SAID, WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT NOW AND WE WILL GET ANOTHER CONTRACTOR. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME ON TWO DIFFERENT JOBS THAT WITH SHANE'S CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS.
YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS FOR TODAY.
WANT TO ALTER THE LABELS TO SHOW THE WRONG READING --
>> NO, NO, NO. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT IS
WHAT I JUST HEARD. >> COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT REAL QUICK JUST SO YOU KNOW.
THE REASON WHY THE TAGS WERE CHANGED, WHEN BRYANT CAME OUT AND CHANGED THE VALVES ON THE REGULATOR SYSTEM ON THAT BOILER, THE TAG IS THEN CHANGED. THEY PUT 30-POUND REGULATOR OS THERE WHEN THEY DID THAT THE TAG ON THE BOILER INSTEAD OF 150 AND REGULATORS SHIPPED WITH WAS PUT TO 30.
ONCE THAT IS DONE, THE TAG GETS CHANGED AND CHANGED BY THE MANUFACTURER. AND IF YOU LOOK IN THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS, A BRYANT TAG AND EVERYTHING THAT IS ON IT. IT WAS DONE BY THEM.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHY WOULD ABM CALL THEM TO CHANGE THE TAGS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
THE MANUFACTURER WITH THE BOILERS -- THE TAGS ON THE BOILERS TELL YOU WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND PUMP.
WHY DO WE WANT TO GO BACK AND CHANGE.
WE NEED TO CHANGE THE TAGS. THIS IS A QUESTION THAT -- I'M NOT CLEAR TO ME AS TO WHY WOULD ANYBODY, MY COMPANY OR YOUR COMPANY GO BACK TO THE MANUFACTURER AND SAY WE NEED TO
CHANGE THE TAGS. >>THE OPERATING PRESSURE -- THE OPERATING CONTROLS CHANGED AND THE RELIEF VALV EXCHANGED.
AND YOU WANT THAT. IF SOMEBODY COMES TO WORK ON IT IN THE FUTURE. THEY NEED TO KNOW IT IS A 30-POUND RELIEF ON THAT BOILER OR WHATEVER THAT CONFIGURATION IS. YOU WANT THAT TO MATCH.
THAT IS WHY WE ORDERED THOSE KITS TO CHANGE THAT, THE MANUFACTURER SUPPLIES THAT TAG. IT WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMME
RECOMMENDATION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DO THEY ACTUALLY MATCH? THAT IS MY QUESTION.
I FEEL WE BOUGHT BIGGER BOILERS THAN WE SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT AND PAID MORE. BUT THE PSI ISN'T WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AND WE ARE LABEL IT TO MAKE IT GOOD?
>> THE PSI, THE BOILERS WERE 150-POUND VESSELS ON THE BOILERS. THAT IS WHAT WAS ORDERED.
THE ISSUE ON THE OPERATING SIDE AND THE RELIEF SIDE AT 150.
THAT GOT CHANGED TOWARD OPERATING FROM 10 TO 12 PSI
PRESSURE RELIEF AT 30. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: EXCUSE ME, SIR. WHAT I AM HEARING THAT BASICALLY THE WRONG BOILERS WERE ORDERED. THE RIGHT BOILERS, THE TAGS AND EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE NOT HAD TO BE CHANGED AND COME WITH THE
RIGHT BOILERS. >> IF THEY WERE ORDERED WITH THAT OPERATING PRESSURE, CORRECT.
IF THEY WERE ORDERED AND CAME WITH THE 15 PSI.
OR THE 10 TO 12 OPERATING PSI PRESSURE, CORRECT.
THAN THOSE TAGS WOULD HAVE BEEN --
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: REPLACING THE BOILERS WITH THE OLD BOILERS THAT HAD THE CORRECT INFORMATION, BUT THIS WERE A DIFFERENT BOILERS. LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
SO IT REQUIRES DIFFERENT TAG. ISN'T THAT WHY ABM HAD SWITCHED
I AM NOT SURE I UNDER SURE THE QUESTION.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MORE ME THE WRONG BOILER THAT CAME WITH THAT INFORMATION -- THE TAG PERTAINED TO THAT CERTAIN
BOILER. >> IT'S NOT THE -- THAT IS
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PROBABLY ANOTHER QUESTION -- BECAUSE THE ENGINEER WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN A LOT BETTER. BOILER IS 150.150 IS WHAT WAS ON THE PLATE ON THE DRAWINGS, 150-POUND BOILER.
THE BOILER IS THE CORRECT BOILER.
THE OPERATING AND RELIEF IS WHAT WAS WRONG.
THAT IS WHERE IT WAS MISSED AND WE HAD TO CORRECT IT -- AND WE HAVE CORRECTED IT. I DON'T KNOW IF I EXPLAIN THAT
RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: ONE MORE QUESTION. WHO IS YOUR SUBCONTRACTOR -- DO YOU VET YOUR SUBCONTRACTOR TO SEE HOW MUCH EXPERIENCE AT THIS
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHY ARE YOU HAVING SO MANY PROBLEMS
WITH THEM. >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I WISH I KNEW THAT. WE ARE WORKING TO GET THAT
CORRECTED. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WELL, I TOLD YOU LAST TIME AND I GUESS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE RON WHEATON HERE. I KNOW YOU ARE NOT AN ENGINEER AND SHANE IS NOT AN ENGINEER. IF YOU CAN -- YES, NEXT TIME BRING US AN ENGINEER SO WE CAN ASK HIM TO SEE IF HE IS READY TO TELL US SOMETHING CONCRETE THAT WE CAN SAY FROM THIS GUY'S MOUTH. HE IS AN ENGINEER AND THIS WILL BE HIS NAME ON THAT PROJECT. AND THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SE SEE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST TO GET US TO A GOOD PLACE WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE, I STILL WANT TO CONTINUE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FINISHING THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION BECAUSE WHEN YOU STOP IN THE MIDDLE, IT IS KIND OF LIKE STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORY. IT WILL BE NICE TO GET THE WHOLE STORY AND YOU CAN ASK A VERY GOOD THOUGHTFUL QUESTION AND WAS JUST POINTED OUT, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION HERE IN THE ROOM TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
SHANE -- LET'S GO BACK TO SLIDE 14 IS WHERE WE WERE, WHICH IS
THE PHOTO THAT YOU ARE SEEING. >> THAT IS THE TAG.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT THE FOLLOWING SLIDES THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO LOOK AT FOR THE RECORD AND WE CAN REVIEW ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE SPECIFICALLY TO THESE -- THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THEM, I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY SAY THAT THE SLIDE SHOW.
THE LETTER FROM THE ENGINEER OF RECORD THAT THE COMPANIES -- THE ORIGINAL BOILERS TO THE EXISTING BOI BOILERS -- I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO DISCOUNT OR PUT ANY WORDS TO THE ENGINEER OF RECORD THAT GOES ON TO THAT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, GO AHEAD. ITEM 16 THEN.
>> SO 16 IS THE HYDRO TEST IS DONE FOR THE BOILERS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: CAN YOU ENLARGE THAT.
HERE SHE COMES. SHE IS GOING TO ENLARGE THAT FOR
THE COURT. >> A FEW TESTS REQUIRED IN RON WHEATON'S REPORT THAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, A FEW OF THEM. SO THE HYDRO TEST WAS COMPLETED BACK IN OCTOBER 31 FOR THE BOILERS AND GIVES THE RESULTS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY BEEN REVIEWED BY RON WHEATON AND THAT IS ACTUALLY -- YOU CAN NOTICE THAT IS ON HIS LETTERHEAD AND THOSE ARE HIS COMMENTS TO THIS. IT DOES PASS TO WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. NEXT SLIDE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF THIS TEST.
TO DO THEY -- WHAT DOES PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW.
WHAT THE IS EFFECT OF THE TEST? >> SHOWING THEY ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PRESSURE IN THIS CASE FOR AN HOUR THAT WAS INSIDE OF THESE PIPES.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THEREFORE IN THE WORLD OF LAYMAN'S TALK, IT
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHAT WITH THE QUESTION HAS BEEN BEFORE FROM THE COURT YOU SAID THE LAST TIME WE MET WE NEED THESE TESTS DONE. THE TESTS WERE DONE AND THE PRESSURE HOLDS AT 100 PSI FOR AN HOUR WHICH IS WHAT WE LOOK AT.
>> WHAT THE TEST PARAMETERS REQUIRE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT THE TEST PARAMETERS REQUIRE.
YOU ASKED OF THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING PIPE AND WHETHER IT CAN SUSTAIN THE OPERATING PRESSURE OF THE STEAM SYSTEM.
A THIRD-PARTY TESTING LAB WAS ENGAGEDED TO HAVE ULTRA SOUNDING TESTING AND NO DEFECTS WERE SHOWN IN THE PIPING.
AND YOU COULD SEE WHERE PRECISION AND THE UT FITNESS REPORT WAS DONE. THEY COMPLETED UTT BASELINE TESTING AND USED THE CODE REGIONAL CODE 3.
TESTING WAS DONE IN 102 LO LOCA
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LOCATIONS. THERE WE GO.THE WHOLE SYSTEM. THE CENTRAL PLANNED AND DOWN THE
CORRIDOR INTO ROOM 120. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS THE PIPE TEST REGARDING HOW THICK IT IS THAT WILL DETERMINE ON THE
IDEA OF THE PIPES MOVING, RIGHT? >> IF THE PIPE IS THIN AND COULD HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF BREAKING THAT WAY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: AND RUPTURE. THE QUESTION IS HOW THICK IS THIS PIPE SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT, HEY, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF RUPTURE. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.
WHAT ARE WHY YOU ARE FINDINGS? >> FINDS THAT THE PIPE THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS GOOD. THAT RON WHEATON DIDN'T SEE AND THE UTT TESTING COMPANY DIDN'T SEE WEAK SPOTS ON THIS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: GOOD NEWS FOR THE COUNTY.
GOOD NEWS FOR THE PIPES. GOOD NEWS IN GENERAL.
>> THEUTT TESTING IS COMPLETE WORKING FOR THE CONTROLS FOR THE BOILERS AND ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE THEM FINISHED BY DECEMBER 31 AS THEY ARE WAITING FOR PARTS ON THOSE.
THEY ARE EXPECTING TO DO A BOILER TURN OVER ON JANUARY 15 OF 2023. THAT WOULD ALSO BE THE SAME TIME THEY ARE EXPECTING TO DO THE CHILLER PLANT AT MCKENZIE JAIL ANNEX. THE ONGOING THING THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING NOW THAT RON WHEATON HAS ASKED FOR IS THE ASME TAG READING AND LOGGING OF OLD EQUIPMENT LIKE HEAT EXCHANGER WITH TANKS TO GO IF THE UTT TESTING THAT IS THE PA
OF THE OLD CENTRAL PLANT SYSTEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW EQUIPMENT. EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE OLD
>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS JUST ME FOLLOWING UP.
A GOOD TIME TO STOP AND FOLLOW-UP.
>> SURE, YOU BET. >>JUDGE CANALES: NEXT TIME WHEN WE GET MORE INFORMATION I AM INTERESTED IN THE QUALITY OF THE WATER. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING. I AGREE WITH YOU LOOKS LIKE THERE COULD BE AN ERROR ON THE REPORT AS OF A REFERENCE OF BOILER VERSUS CHILLER THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME WHEN WE ARE DICTATING. HAPPENS TO ME IN VERBAL CONVERSATION. LET'S SEE IF THAT IS THE CASE.
YOUR RECOLLECTION OF THE FACTS. SO ONCE WE GET THAT SETTLED, THE NEXT THING IS, SO, THE QUALITY OF THE WATER IS, AS WE SAY, OUT OF OUR HANDS. OKAY.
THE MINERALS THAT ARE BE BEBEING IDED IN THE WATER SAMPLE ANALYSIS COMES TO US FROM THE SOURCE OF THE WATER; HOWEVER, THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE SOME, I GUESS, BEST WAY TO DO IT IS A SOFTENER PROCESS.
THE WATER SOFTENER PROCESS THAT YOU SOMETIMES SEE IN YOUR HOMES THAT COULD ENABLE A BETTER QUALITY.
THERE IS -- I AM NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND INTERPRET SOMETHING THAT I AM CATCHING, ALTHOUGH GOOD LAWYERS WILL DO THAT.
THEY WILL PICK OUT A LINE AND THEY WILL SAY, HA HA.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT --A-HA, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE COMPLETE.NESS OF THE REPORT AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE REPORT YOU WILL GET YOUR BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
THE WAY ANOTHER INTERPRETATION COULD BE THAT WE ARE NOT CARING FOR THESE BOILERS BECAUSE A NEW SYSTEM THAT HAS A BAD FEED IN IT. RIGHT.
THE QUALITY OF THE WATER COULD BE HURTING THE NEW MECHANICAL.
AND THEREFORE, WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE SOURCE OF THE WATER.
I AM CURIOUS IF THAT HAS ANY -- TO QUOTE "MY COUSIN VINNIE." DOES THAT THEORY HOLD WATA! THAT THEORY HOLDS WATA.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN "MY COUSIN VINNIE" I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
IT WILL RAIN THIS WEEKEND. GO WATCH IT.
THAT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS DIALOGUE.
THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT -- WE ASKED YOU TWO QUESTIONS.
YOU ANSWERED TO HE WAS TWO QUESTIONS FOR US.
WE NEEDED A PRESSURE PIPE SYSTEM TEST -- A PRESSURE HOLD TEST, RIGHT. WE NEEDED A THICKNESS TEST AND RECEIVED BOTH OF THOSE. I AM A LITTLE DAUNTED BY THE REST OF THE SLIDES. ALL BASIC INFORMATION AND DATA?
>> JUST THE BACK-UP DATA. >> WILL YOU SHOW IT TO THE COURT AND WE WILL LET YOU FINISH. JUST SHOW IT.
IF THAT IS THE JUST THE BACK-UP FOR THE ACTUAL THICKNESS
>>JUDGE CANALES: TO NOON OF US ARE QUALIFIED.
>> 102 LOCATIONS WITHIN THAT SIX FLOYD.
>>JUDGE CANALES: 21, 22, 23. CAN YOU GO TO 24, CONNIE.
KEEP GOING. >> NICK, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE ONE THAT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT TO ME. THIS SLIDE IS KIND OF IMPORTANT.
AND THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE THIS IS AN
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E-MAIL THAT CHRISTINA PUT OUT THERE DECEMBER 22, '21.THIS CAME FROM THE BRYANT BOILER REP.
WHICH IS CLEAVER BROOKS UNFORTUNATELY IF MY COMPUTER HAS CRASHED AND I EXPECT READ THAT VERY WELL AND THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION GIVES US A GOOD IDEA OF THE 15 AND THE TEN POUNDS AND THE LAST TIME THE DIGITAL CONTROLLER.
THE OPERATION SET POINT IS 10 PSI OF THAT CIRCLES OFF OF 12. THE PROGRAM IS SET FOR 14 PSI.
THE TWO MECHANICAL OPERATING CONTROLS ARE 15 PSIS AND ONE IS A MANUAL RESET AND I THINK THAT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT THAT IT IS
A MANUAL RESET. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO SHANE -- IN YOUR WORLD YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, WITH YOU YOU NEED TO BRING IT DOWN -- BRING IT HOME.
>> WE KEEP TALKING OF PRESSURE AND WHERE THE PRESSURE IS AND WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THE BRYANT BOILERS MANUFACTURING'S REP CLEARLY STATES HE READJUSTED ALL OF THESE AND NOT JUST WEEKS AGO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS HAPPENED BACK WHEN WE GOT BOILERS ONE AND TWO DECEMBER 22, 2021 AND AN E-MAIL THAT WAS SENT TO EVERYBODY THEN AT THE TEAM AT
THAT TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS VERY
HELPFUL AND CONSTRUCTIVE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I
ASK. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE A QUESTION. HANG ON.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DID WE GET THIS SLIDE PRESENTATION?
I DON'T HAVE AGAIN. >> YOU DID NOT GET THIS, BECAUSE
I ONLY FINISHED THIS LAST NIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL AIR IS THIS SHANE -- I AM NOT JUST SAYING TO YOU.
THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I AM HAVING TO SEE THIS AS WE GO THROUGH IT. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING AT THE BEGINNING AND I SEARCHED MY E-MAILS, BUT THIS IS A 30 -- I MEAN -- I AM SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT, GO THROUGH IT.
THIS IS REALLY FRUSTRATING. WHEN WE HAVE AGENDAS.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO POST EVERYTHING THAT IS ON THE AGENDA ONLINE. THAT IS THE LAW.
SO WE CONSTANTLY VIOLATE THE LAW IN HERE BY NOT HAVING BACK-UP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS GETS DONE. AND THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE.
I HAVE RAILED ON THIS BEFORE AND GOTTEN NOWHERE ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT WE CONTINUALLY OVER AND OVER GET ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED THAT DON'T HAVE BACKUP AND YOU WALK IN -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SLIDES.
DOING THE FIRST PART OF IT. IT WAS JUST TO BE BOILERS.
I DIDN'T GET THAT MEMO UNTIL SOMEONE SENT IT TO ME.
THE FIRST TIME I GOT THESE SLIDES.
THIS CAN'T CONTINUE. THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WITH THIS E-MAIL.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE IF THAT IS IN CONTEXT, OUTS OF CONTEXT. WHAT THAT MEANS.
I AM SO FRUSTRATED WITH THIS AGENDA.
I DON'T KNOW HOW -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
BUT I THINK WE GOT TO SAY IF THERE IS NOT APPROPRIATE BACK-UP ON THINGS LIKE THIS, LIKE A BIG 30-PAIN PRESENTATION THAT THE PUBLIC HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE.
I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT AND I LET IT GO, BUT THEN YOU SEND -- I GET TO THIS SLIDE THAT I NEVER SEEN AND TALK ABOUT THIS E-MAIL ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THIS E-MAIL -- I DON'T -- IS THAT IN CONTEXT? OUT OF CONTEXT?
>> THE REASON I AM BRINGING THIS UP.
ALL THE E-MAILS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THE REPORT SHARED, USUALLY THERE IS A MAIL FOR MAT THAT WE USE AND SEND OUT.
A PROJECT TEAM -- MOST OF IT IS PUBLIC WORKS THAT WE SHARE WITH AND I SHARED EVERYTHING WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
THIS E-MAIL WAS SHARED BY ABM'S PROJECT MANAGER BACK THEN WITH
PUBLIC WORKS AND EVERYBODY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GREAT -- REASON WHY I AM SAYING THAT AND THE REASON WHY THIS SLIDE WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE KEEP TALKING OF THIS PRESSURE POINT AND ALL THIS STUFF WITH THE BOILERS AND THERE WAS AN E-MAIL THAT WAS OUT THERE A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT THIS.
OVER A YEAR AGO. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK. EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND -- COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.
>> NOT THAT I RECALL. COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE CORRECT.
SOME INFORMATION HERE THAT I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN.
>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IS LUDICROUS.
>> I KNOW THEY SAID THEY GOT IT LAST NIGHT AND SO ON.
FOR ME TO BE HERE TO LISTEN TO THIS, I HAVEN'T SEEN SOME OF
THIS INFORMATION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT THE ONLY THING. I HAVE EIGHT ITEMS HANDED TO ME ON THE WAY IN THE DOOR AND NOT EVEN ONE OF THESE -- NOT EIGHT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. I PUT THEM IN MY BOOK.
I LOOKED AT SOME OF IT AND LOOKED AT OTHERS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK WE HAD A POLICY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE LAW. I THOUGHT WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO
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HAVE PRESENTATIONS AND ITEMS TO BE CONSIDERED.THERE WEREN'T APPROPRIATE BACKUP.
>> COMMISSIONER JUST TO ADD TO THAT.
I KNOW THEY PRESENTED THE HYDRO TESTING.
I NEED TO LOOK AT THE REPORT. AND I NEED TO LOOK AT THE REPORT OF THE THICKNESS OF TPIPES. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
WE WOULD NEED AT LEAST A WEEK TO LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION, SIT DOWN WITH ABM, SIT DOWN WITH LAM, AND GO OVER THE DOCUMENTS BUT TO BRING IT TODAY IS LIKE -- I CAN'T EVEN ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ON THIS REPORT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST TO GIVE -- YOU HEARD ME SAY I NEEDED A BATHROOM BREAK. I REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK. WHAT TIME GOING TO DO IS HAVE US CONTINUE WITH THE SAME LINE OF DISCUSSION --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND READ THIS AND SEE IT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IF YOU ALL WILL JUST HOLD ON PLEASE -- JUST FOR A MOMENT.
I WANTED TO TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK ON THE RECORD -- IT IS NOT A LONG BREAK, EVERYBODY. IT'S JUST TEN-MINUTE BREAK.
12:30, COME BACK AT 12:40. GIVE OUR STAFF A CHANCE AND MYSELF TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK. AND WE WILL BE BACK.
FORGIVE ME THAT WHILE WE WERE IN THE MIDST OF -- I AM ALMOST -- I AM SORRY. I HOPE YOU ALL CAN STAY, BECAUSE YOU ARE ONLY SEEING THIS STEINY LITTLE SLIVER.
AND I PROMISE YOU THERE IS SOME REAL GOVERNANCE ITEMS THAT ARE COMING. SO --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LEAVE BY 1. BEFORE YOU BREAK, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE LONDON PROFESSIONAL COMMUNICATION CLASS THAT IS HERE. MISS HOFF THIS THEY HAVE BEEN TOURING THE CAPITOL AND JUDGE STIPP AND GETTING A TASTE OF NUECES COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND AND GETTING GOOD STUFF. I AM GOING TO BREAK -- AND MEET WITH THEM ON BREAK. THEY DO HAVE TO LEAVE BY 1:00 IS
WHAT I WAS TOLD. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY IS WELCOME AND GLAD YOU ARE HERE.
AND ALSO, MAYBE INFORMALLY YOU CAN USE THE TEN MINUTES TO ASK GOOD QUESTIONS. IF YOU HAVE YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HERE. ALWAYS HERE SITTING IN THAT POSITION. YOU HAVE OUR COUNTY AUDITOR.
HE IS AN INDEPENDENT AUDITOR DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE COUNTY.
HE HELPS PREPARE THE BUDGET AND HELPS US WITH ALL FINANCIAL MATTERS. YOU HAVE A COURT ADMINISTRATOR WHO HELPS GOVERN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE COURTHOUSE AS WELL AS THE DAY-TO-DAY AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE BROUGHT FORWARD.
YOU HAVE YOUR COUNTY CLESHLG HERE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAYBE GET A CHANCE TO MEET WITH AND VISIT.
HER JOB IS LIKE THIS BIG. SHE HAS GOT EVERYTHING FROM ELECTIONS TREASURY ALL TO THE PRESENTATION OF DOCUMENTS AND COURT MINUTES AND, OF COURSE, OTHERS THAT ARE ALSO VERY, VERY VITAL. WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A BREAK FOR THE RECORD. IT IS 12:29 P.M. GAVEL US OUT FOR TEN MINUTES AND ASK THAT CONNIE TAKE US
>>JUDGE CANALES: FOR THE RECORD 12:57 P.M. AND WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF ITEM NUMBER 10. AND SO I AM GOING TO REDIRECT US BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 10. AND WHERE WE WERE WAS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE PRESENTATION UNTIL DECEMBER 10.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >> ONE CLARIFICATION THE TBLR WITH JUAN AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS UP HERE AND THE MEETING THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY WITH THE BRYANT BOILER PEOPLE AND STUFF.
LAN WITH AS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PHONE CALL JUST SO EVERYBODY IS
AWARE. >>JUDGE CANALES: BEFORE WE DO T THAT.
WHAT WE NOTICED IS THE PRESENTATION.
EVEN IF YOU FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION LATE, BE SURE TO GET IT TO THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR SO THAT IT CAN BE
DISTRIBUTED. >> WE CAN DO THAT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: MAKE NO MISTAKE, A PRESENTATION IS JUST THAT. IT IS A PRESENTATION.
RIGHT. IT IS THE REVEALING OF INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO PRESENT NO ACTION NEEDED AT THE TIME AND LISTEN AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME PERIOD.
WE WILL HAVE YOU COME BACK -- WHERE WERE WE SO I KNOW.
I SEE IT AS SLIDE 26. HOW MANY MORE SLIDES WERE THERE?
>> A FEW MORE SLIDES AND MOSTLY BACK-UP, TLR.
>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST BACK UP. >> BACK UP TO THE TVRL
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CONVERSATION AND STUFF THAT WAS HAD.AND JUAN WILL TELLYOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: HE WAS IN THAT
MEETING. >> HE WAS IN THAT MEETING BUT LAN WITH AS NOT IN THAT MEETING.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ABM AND EVERYBODY AFTER THE FACT, AND I WAS TOLD THAT TVLR IS GRANTING 60 DAYS MORE EXTENSION ON TOP OF THE NOVEMBER 24 DATE FOR THE BOILERS CURRENTLY RIGHT
NOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL HAVE YOU BACK ON DECEMBER 7.
A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE UNTIL DECEMBER 7.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO IT DECEMBER 14.
SINCE WE ARE PUTS SO MUCH ON THE 7TH.
DO IT ON THE 14TH. PROVIDE NOT ONLY THIS BUT THE
UPCOMING WHEATON REPORT. >> WE WILL HAVE RON WHEATON HERE. I WILL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THAT
AND RON WHEATON HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TABLE IT TO THE 14TH WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE BACK-UP BEING
>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL DO THAT AND CIRCULATE IT.
I KNOW WE MEAN -- IN THE INTEREST OF NOT AS BEATING THE DEAD HORSE, BUT NOT LIKE THERE ISN'T CONSTANT COMMUNICATION, THERE IS. APPRECIATE THAT.
[11. Discuss and consider instructing LAN to remove an employee (Program Manager) from association with work performed for Nueces County, as authorized by article 13 of contract #20200245-6/25 for RFP No 3122-20 Program Management of Nueces County 2019 Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) Projects, and related matters. ]
LET ME TO THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ALL RIGHT.SO WE WILL MOVE ON. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NUMBER 11 DOES NOT NEED TO BE HEARD OF. TAKEN CARE OF.
THAT WAS MY ITEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION TO
TABLE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:
INDEFINITELY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.
[12. Discuss and consider adoption of accounts payable policy in accordance with Texas Prompt Pay Act.]
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED SAME SIGN. ITEM NUMBER 1012, FOR GIVE ME.
AN ITEM THAT JENNY HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE ACCOUNTS POLICY.
JENNY IS, YOU SAID YESTERDAY YOU SENT IT.
>> I SENT A DRAFT. YOU PROVIDED THAT TO US.
WE PROVIDED SOME COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF ITS IN A FILE FORM THAT THE COURT IS WILLING TO ACCEPT.
WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK ON IT TO ADD THINGS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I WILL LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL DECEMBER 14 BECAUSE ANOTHER ONE I GOT AT THE LAST MINUTE.
WHEN I CHECKED WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER AND COUNTY ATTORNEY NOT ONE THEY SIGNED OFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT PREPARED IT AND ONE TO SUBMIT IT TO THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT TO THE
14TH AND WEIGH IN ON IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING. ALL RED LINES FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF THE POLICY TO CONFORM WITH THE LAW. THIS IS NOT, LIKE, REALLY TOO DIFFICULT AT ALL BUT TO MAKE SURE YOU TWEAK IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM AND EVERY TIME YOU DON'T HAVE A POLICY IS RISKING ANOTHER PERSON THAT COMPLAINS WE DON'T PROMPT PAY. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT FINALIZED SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE PACKET.
YOU GIVE AN OBLIGATION TO GIVE COMMENTS ABOUT IT NOW.
COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE STATUTE AND BASICALLY SAYS COMPLY WITH THE TEXAS PROMPT PAY ACT, PERIOD.
AND STATES THE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT AND ALSO STATES HOW THE PROCESS WOULD BE HANDLED FROM THE AUDITOR'S DIDN'T AS WELL AS THE COURT MANAGER'S DIDN'T. YOU HAVE IT AND YOU HAVE IT UNTIL THE 14TH TO, YOU KNOW, I SUPPOSE, MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR TWEAKS, BUT, AGAIN EVERYTHING THAT JENNY SAID TO ME MAKES THOSE CHANGES MEANT TO BASICALLY TAKE THE PROMPT PAYMENT ACT AND LOCALIZED IT. WHAT YOU DID PUT IT IT INTO A LOCAL FIELD AND READY TO -- READY TO CLEAN UP.
I WILL JUST CLEAN IT UP IN A NICE CLEAN FORM SO IT IS NOT RED LINE AND THE COURT NOW HAS A RED LINE SO THEY CAN SEE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE LAWYER TO -- TO CHANGE -- TO CHANGE ANY VERBIAGE THAT THEY THINK.
BUT, AGAIN, IT'S THE LAW. IT'S NOT -- I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS REALLY BY THE 7TH. BUT THE 14TH IS FINE AS WELL IF
YOU THINK THAT HELPS YOU, JENNY. >> ABSOLUTELY.
AND ANY ADDITIONS THAT MIGHT BE PROPOSED COULD BE PROVIDED TO US AS -- .
>>JUDGE CANALES: SINCE WE HAD A COPY FOR TWO WEEKS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DIDN'T GET THAT UNTIL THIS MORNING.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE ORIGINAL ONE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WASN'T IN MY BACK-UP.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS PROVIDED.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE --
>> PROVIDED TO US. I DON'T KNOW IF.
>>JUDGE CANALES: IT WAS. I GAVE IT TO THE COUNTY MANAGER.
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>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I GOT -- I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THAT.
SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: PLEASE GET IT TO HIM BUT IT WAS PROVIDED TO THE COURT MANAGER.
ALL RIGHT, AND AGAIN MAKE THE TWEAKS THAT ARE FOR THE LOCAL POLICY PIECE. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE LAW.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY SAYING AYE FOR THE TABLE.
>> JACK WAS THE SECOND. TO THE 14TH?
>>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH OR SOONER IF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAVE MAGIC BEANS IN A BUCKET. OKAY.
[13. Discuss and consider county allocation plan/process of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds to charities, including eligibility requirements for sub-recipients and beneficiaries and related matters.]
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS -- SORRY.THAT, JOHN.ITEM NUMBER 13, IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE COUNTY ALLOCATION PLAN REGARDING CHARITIES A AND IDAY IS NOT READY WITH THE FINAL PLAN. AS I TOLD HER, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE BASIC FIVE PREMISES THAT, A THAT CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS ACCORDING TO THE IRS BE ELIGIBLE TO. THAT THE CAP OF $50,000 BE INSTITUTED. THREE, THAT A COMPLIANCE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, BE ESTABLISHED.
AND LET ME SEE. I HAVE TO CHEAT IDAY WHAT I SENT
TO YOU. >> I AM -- STILL NOT READY -- I AM GOING TO HAVE MY AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MANAGER SOON.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL JANUARY 4.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WAIT A MOMENT. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHTS NOW. THE MOTION IS TO PASS THE PARAMETERS FOR THE TEMPLATE. NUMBER ONE WAS AFFECTED BY COVID-19. TWO IS TO REQUEST THE CAP -- YOU CAN'T DRAFT SOMETHING UNLESS YOU HAVE A COURT --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GOT HANDED THIS WHEN I WALKED INTO THE COURT ROOM AGAIN TODAY AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE CREATE PARAMETER -- YOU DON'T HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION BUT IF YOU
GET A SECOND, THAT'S FINE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ISSUE IS THE POSTPONEMENT OF THESE ITEMS -- FOR STARTERS, WE GAVE THIS TO MISS HERNANDEZ MONTHS AGO. AND YOU GAVE US SOMETHING THAT
WAS IN OUR PACKETS. >> OCTOBER 12.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT DID YOU SAY?
>> OCTOBER 12. >>JUDGE CANALES: OCTOBER 12, YOU GAVE US SOMETHING. AND YOU SAID, AGAIN, SORT OF THESE PROMISE THAT ARE NOT KEPT. WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO YOU AND TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE MADE THIS DECISION BACK IN -- WAS IT SEPTEMBER? TO DO THE MILLION DOLLAR -- I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COURT'S MINUTES, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER WHEN WE MADE THE ACTUAL ALLOCATION THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE CHARITIES THAT WE GET THE DOLLARS TO THEM SO THEY CAN USE THEM FOR THE YEAR THAT THEY HAVE BEEN HURTING WHICH IS THIS 2022 YEAR. THAT IS WHEN THE RECOVERY REALLY BEGAN WHEN COVID STARTED TO DISSIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING IN.
YOU HEARD FROM ONE OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT IT IS DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON THAT THEY DO SO MUCH OF THEIR WORK.
WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU IS THAT BACK IN OCTOBER 12, WE GAVE YOU MORE THAN 30 DAYS TO TWEAK WHAT YOU SAID, AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN
ABLE TO PRODUCE A DOCUMENT. >> I ALREADY DID.
I CHANGE IT. I SENT IT -- YESTERDAY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I SAW IT. >> I REDUCED THE DEBT FROM 50,000 TO 49. WHAT I AM REQUESTING FOR THE COURT TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY MEET WITH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MANAGER. AND THEN WE ARE WE WILL HAVE THE PROCESS. AND I HOPE THAT THEY CAN -- WE CAN HAVE THE MESSAGE. THIS IS THE PROCESS.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BE OVER -- IT IS GOING TO BE A PLAN THAT WE HAVE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MANAGER WHICH THE PERSON IS GOING TO START NEXT MONTH, DECEMBER 12.
>>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU FIND SOMEBODY.
>> I ALREADY HAVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ALREADY
FOUND SOMEBODY? >> I ALREADY -- I ALREADY OPENED. IT WAS OPEN, THE POSITION.
>>JUDGE CANALES: AND IT IS CLOSED.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND THAT PERSON HAS FEDERAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT?
>> HE HAS EXPERIENCE, YEAH. >>JUDGE CANALES: WOULD YOU MIND SHARING THAT WITH ALL THE COURT SO WE CAN KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. IF YOU ALREADY MADE AN OFFER.
>> I WILL PROVIDE AN E-MAIL. I WANT TO SEND EVERYTHING AND THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SEND TO THE COURT, TO EVERYBODY.
THE DOCUMENTS WILL BE READY FOR EVERYBODY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS PERSON LOOK AGAIN.
EVERYTHING IS COMING FROM TREASURY.
NOT COMING FROM SOMEONE ELSE. EVERYTHING IS COMING FROM THE TREASURE RULES. AND ALSO WE HAVE TO BE WORKING WITH THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY KNOWS THAT AND WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO HAVE A GOOD DOCUMENT AND GOOD PROCESS TO PROVIDE THE MONIES TO THE ASSISTANCE FOR EVERYBODY AND TO DO WHAT IS THE PROPER PROCESS.
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>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: BY THE TIME WE GET READY WILL BE
JANUARY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WILL BE WAY PAST THAT. I AM SAYING TO YOU THIS YEAR, THAT WAS NOT THE EXPECTATION THAT THE PUBLIC HAD.
NOT THE EXPECTATION THAT I HAD. AND I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT SUFFER THE MOST ARE THE CHARITIES AND QUITE FRANKLY, COULD YOU HAVE HAD APPLICATIONS IN THE HOPPER.
ALL THEY HAVE TO BE IS A 501-C-3 UNDER TREASURY.
THEY ARE BASICALLY BENEFICIARIES.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY COVID-19 AND THEY ARE BENEFICIARIES. ALL I AM SAYING TO YOU ALL THEY NEEDED TO DO WAS TO AT LEAST BE TOLD, HERE IS A WAY YOU CAN APPLY AND HERE ARE THE BASIC PARAMETERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THE MONITORING PLAN OR THE COMPLIANCE COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT. ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IS HURTING THE ABILITY TO DELIVER THE DOLLARS THAT WERE INTENDED BY CONGRESS IN A TIMELY FASHION AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK IS UNFORTUNATE. IF YOU ALREADY -- MY FIRST ATTEMPT WAS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE FINAL RULES AND YOU GOT THE SECOND ONE. I LIKE WHAT I AM SAYING AND WHAT I WAS HOPING WE WOULD GO FORWARD WITH TODAY.
LIKE YOU SAID, YOU WANT TO TABLE IT UNTIL DECEMBER 14.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT TO TABLE IT UNTIL JANUARY 4.
I WANT TO TABLE IT -- THAT WAS MY MOTION TO TABLE TO JANUARY 4.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE A SECOND ON YOUR MOTION.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVEN'T -- I HAVEN'T -- I HAVEN'T ASKED FOR
IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: POINT OF ORDER. NO SECOND MADE.
I MADE A MOTION TO TABLE. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
TECHNICALLY THE MOTION TO TABLE IS ON THE FLOOR AND NO DISCUSSION WHEN THE TABLE AND MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED BECAUSE THAT IS ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER. BUT WE -- WE SEEM TO ALWAYS LET DISCUSSION GO ON AFTER MOTIONS OF TABLE ARE MADE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THERE WAS A -- THERE WAS A MOTION AND NO SECOND TO ACTUALLY DO WHAT WAS IN OUR PACKETS.
BECAUSE YOU DID INCLUDE THEM IN THE PACKETS, CORRECT?
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOPE. I GOT IT TODAY.
WASN'T IN THE POCKET. WAS NOT IN THE BACK-UP.
>>JUDGE CANALES: FOR THE RECORD -- JUST SO YOU KNOW, FOR THE RECORD, I ASKED SINCE LAST THURSDAY TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WAS IN THE PACKET. IT'S HARD TO KNOW HOW YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BACK-UP WHEN THE PERSON WHO IS IN CHARGE OF PUTTING THE BACK-UP DOESN'T DO IT.
THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED TWICE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, WASN'T THIS YOUR ITEM TO SUBMIT. YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
BACK-UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO BECAUSE --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COUNTY JUDGE SUBMISSION.
THERE WAS NO BACK-UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT WAS
PROVIDED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T GIVE ANYTHING TO THE COUNTY MANAGER FOR BACK-UP.
I GIVE IT ON MY ASSISTANT TO PUT IT ON.
IF SHE DOESN'T, ON ME AND MY ASSISTANT.
IF YOU WITH THE AGENDA DOCTOR YOU SHOULD PUT THE BACK-UP LIKE THE REST OF US DO. COUNTY MANAGER, SHE DIDN'T WANT
TO SUBMIT THIS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS NOT
TRUE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS TRUE. IT WASN'T READY.
SHE WANTED TO WAIT ON THIS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU WERE MAKING THE COUNTY MANAGER PUTS IT ON THE AGENDA.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS NOT TRUE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON, ALL YOU HAVE
TO DO IS GET YOUR ASSISTANTS. >>JUDGE CANALES: NICE TO HAVE
THE TRUTH JUST FOR ONCE. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION WAS TO HAVE IT TODAY NOVEMBER 16.
AND READY TO ASK THE COURT TO PLEASE GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY WORK WITH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MANAGER.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU AND I MET AND DID THE AGENDA, YOU INDICATED YOU WERE GOING TO ATTACH IT.
I WAS THE TEXT AND THE E-MAILS. YOU INDICATED IT WAS YOURS TO PRODUCE. NOT MINE, YOURS TO PRODUCE.
THE REASON I DID THAT BECAUSE I AM FULLY AWARE THAT THESE CHARITIES NEED OUR ASSISTANCE AND HELP AND ALL WE HAVE DONE TODAY IS HURT THEM. AND I AM ASKING YOU ON THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK, YOU INDICATE THAT YOU HAVE IT.
THAT YOU WOULD GET IT DONE. AND THERE WOULD BE A CORRECTION THAT YOU DIDN'T ATTACH IT BECAUSE IT IS YOUR DOCUMENT.
IT IS YOUR -- THE COURT ASKED TO YOU PRODUCE IT.
I HAVE BEEN WRITING ON THIS FOR MONTHS ASKING FOR IT TO BE DONE GIVING YOU ALL THE RESOURCES. YOU HAVE ALL THE RESOURCES IN THE WORLD TO HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED THE TEMPLATE.
BUT AT ANY RATE, IT DIDN'T GET DONE, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET IT DONE. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
>> JUDGE, MAY I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? MR. CHESNEY, I HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO GO DIG UP -- FAVOR OF WAITING UNTIL -- TABLING UNTIL JANUARY 4, RIGHT,
THE 4TH. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES,
[14. Discuss and consider allocating $250,000 of ARPA funds for a mobile clinic for emergencies, first responders, and disasters.]
MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS -- THE MOBILE CLINIC FOR ALLOCATION FOR FIRST
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RESPONDERS AND DISASTERS. I BELIEVE THIS IS -->>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WANT TO TABLE THAT, JUDGE.
UNTIL -- INDEFINITELY REALLY JUDGE JUDGE INDEFINITELY.
MOTION TO TABLE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[15. Discuss and consider resolution requesting the City of Corpus Christi to formally annex a portion of County Road 51 from Farm To Market Road 43 to County Road 22 and County Road 22 from County Road 51 to County Road 47.]
OKAY. OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT THING TO HAVE AS A HEALTH AND MOBILE CLINIC.>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE ONE, JUDGE.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU CALLED TRASH, BUT IT IS A GOOD
ONE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS WAS YOUR ITEM. ITEM 15, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI TO FORMALLY ANNEX A PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 51 FROM FORM A MARKET ROAD TO 43 TO COUNTY ROAD 22 AND COUNTY ROAD # 2 FROM COUNTY ROAD 51 TO
COUNTY ROAD 47. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THING IS
NOT READY AND I NEED SOME HELP. >>JUDGE CANALES: ASK JENNY IF THIS WAS READY FOR FORMIZATION OF THE CITY.
THIS IS US ASKING FOR THE CITY TO ANNEX THEM.
I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
>> YES, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT I THINK JEFF IN OUR OFFICE MET WITH LOUIE RAY AND ROMERO RAMIREZ TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND THEY DECIDE AT THAT TIME AND TO PROPOSE AT THAT TIME THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD PURSUE THIS UNTIL THE COMPLETE BUDGET WAS READY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: TALKING OF THE ANNEXATION OF THE ROADS?
>> OH, 15 -- SORRY, I WAS ON 14. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GOT A
VOICEMAIL. >> IT NEEDS TO BE TABLED.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL TABLE IT UNTIL WHEN.
>>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE UNTIL WHEN? UNTIL -- SO THIS IS AN ANNEXATION JUST TO GET YOU BACK
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WAITING ON THE METES IN BOUNDS.
DECEMBER 14 IF THE METES AND BOUNDS COME IN.
>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THE NEXT ONE IS ABILITY TO GIVE
[16. Discuss and consider approving any previously approved premium pay and other premium pay under the American Rescue Plan Act for elected county officials consistent with Opinion No. KP-0413, and discuss and consider authorizing all necessary related actions to accomplish the same.]
US BACKGROUND. DISCUSS APPROVED PREMIUM PAY UNDER THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT AND DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ALL NECESSARY RELATED ACTIONS TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME.>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, THIS IS MY ITEM IF I CAN BEGIN.
IF THAT IS ALL RIGHT. WE AS A COURT HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PREMIUM UNDER THE ARPA FOR ELECTED COUNTY OFFICIALS.
THEY HAVE RECEIVED THREE PAYMENTS TO DATE.
BECAUSE OF THE NEW OPINION THAT CAME IN, THE FOURTH PAYMENT WAS STOPPED. AND SO THE COURT REALLY -- IN IS MORE OF A BUSINESS DECISION. BECAUSE WE -- WE -- THERE IS UNCERTAINTY ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS GOING TO COME BACK LATER TO BITE US IS WHAT -- IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.
UNCERTAINTY. NOT DEFINITIVE, BUT UNCERTAINTY.
WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE ELECTED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHICH BEFUDDLES ME TO UNDERSTAND JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS ELECTED IF THEY ARE STILL ON THE FRONT LINE AND STILL OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN ANYBODY ELSE. SO WE ALREADY HAVE PAID THEM THREE TIMES. I THINK WE NEED TO AUTHORIZE THE FINAL PAYMENT AND TAKE A CHANCE BECAUSE I WILL BE ITS TO FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL ON THAT FEDERAL THING COMING BACK BECAUSE MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. THESE CONSTABLES MAKE THEM DIFFERENT. THEY ARE STILL ON THE FRONT LINE. STILL OUT THERE AND THIS COURT
DID VOTE TO GIVE THAT TO THEM. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALREADY
VOTE AND GO BACK AND UNDO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: UNDO THE VOTE TO TAKE AWAY THAT PAYMENT. IT WAS STOPPED BECAUSE OF THE OPINION THAT CAME OUT. I GET IT -- THAT'S FINE.
I THINK THAT WAS THE BETTER PART OF THE VALOR TO DISCUSS IT.
THAT'S WHY I PUT IT BACK ON. WE ALREADY MADE THREE PAYMENTS.
THE FOURTH ONE AND DONE WITH IT. I DON'T -- I HAVE -- I DON'T THINK THESE RULES ARE GOING TO HOLD UP THAT -- JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ELECTED DOESN'T MEAN -- I AM NOT SAYING -- AGAIN, ELECTED LAW ENFORCEMENT. BIG DIFFERENCE.
NOT ELECTED COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR COUNTY ATTORNEYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS ELECTED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND AUTHORIZE THAT PAYMENT TO GO FORWARD. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET IT PAID. I HAD TO PUT IT BACK ON BECAUSE
IT WAS STOPPED. >>JUDGE CANALES: WAY TONIGHT NO ET FOR THE RECORD THAT WE BROUGHT THIS UP ORIGINALLY AND THE RULES DID NOT ALLOW WITH IT. WE DID IT ANYWAY.
WE SAID WE WERE DOING IT AT OUR RISK.
AND SO I THINK THAT DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.
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THERE WAS -- IT IS NOT A MATTER OF WHETHER WE THINK IT IS RIGHT.IT IS A MATTER OF WHAT CONGRESS INTENDED AND THE STATUTE SAYS.
WHAT THE OPINION IS, THAT THE OPINION FOLLOWS THE STATUTE.
AND WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT IT FOLLOWS THE RULES.
SO THE QUESTION REALLY IS, JUST -- ARE WE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE SAID IN THAT ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WE WOULD PAY REGARDLESS EVEN IF IT GOT BACK LATER THAT WE DID IT.
SO HONESTLY I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING BUT A CLARIFICATION TO DALE TO SAY, YES, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE OPINION EXISTS. BUT WE ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION. WE SAID THAT WAS GOING TO BE OUR BURDEN. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THEY WILL CLAW BACK AND I THINK WE SHOULD CLEAN IT UP AND GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WHICH DALE CAN PROBABLY TELL US HOW MUCH EXACTLY THAT IS.
IT IS THE 20% FOR THE TWO YEARS FOR THOSE FIVE CONSTABLES.
>> FOR THE CONSTABLES IT WAS THE PREMIUM PAY FOR THE WITH UNFISCAL YEAR. WE DIDN'T DO TWO YEARS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST THE ONE YEAR.
WHAT WOULD THAT AMOUNT BE. >> 10%.
I THINK THE OTHER WAS AT THE 20%.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT FOR THAT.
MOST LIKELY THE CONSTABLES $5,000, THE SHERIFFS $10,000 OR
$15,000 FOR THE FULL YEAR. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE BOTTOM
LINE. >> ONE PAYMENT WILL BE A FEW THOUSANDS PETITION ALREADY MADE THE THREE PAYMENTS AND SHOULD CLEAN IT UP AND NOT TAKE IT OUT OF ARPA.
AND WE SHOULD JUST CLEAN THE WHOLE THING UP.
THE RULE SAYS WE CAN'T DO IT. YEAH, THE RULE SAYS YOU CAN'T DO IT AND WE BROUGHT IT UP AT THE TIME AND NOW YOU HAVE AN OPINION TO BACK IT UP. MAYBE WILL RUN A LITTLE SPREADSHEET FOR ALL OF THEM SO YOU DON'T GET CLAWED BACK.
PAYMENT NEEDS TO BE MADE. >>JUDGE CANALES: TODAY GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT FOURTH PAYMENT. TODAY, THE FOURTH PAYMENT FROM THE GENERAL FUND WHICH IS $50,000.
>> ONE PAYMENT $10,000 TO $15,000 TOTAL.
>>JUDGE CANALES: FOR EVERYBODY. THEN I AM OKAY FOR ADDRESSING THE FOURTH PAYMENTS. MY MOTION TO BE TO ADDRESS THE
FOURTH PAYMENT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU MEAN MAKE THE FOURTH PAYMENT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: MAKE THE FOURTH PAYMENT WITH GENERAL FUNDS AND NOT ARPA PURSUANT WITH THE OPINION AND WHAT IS IN THE BEST
INTEREST OF THE COUNTY. >> FOR THE FIVE ELECTED
CONSTABLES AND THE SHERIFF. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THAT -- FURTHERMORE, DIRECT DALE ON THE FIRST THREE PAYMENTS THE NEXT TIME.
>> YES, I WILL DO THAT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: LIKE THEY SAY JUDGE, PAY NOW OR PAY
[17. Discuss and consider allocating $600,000 to the Santa Maria Subdivision drainage issue to be funded from Pct. 4 $1.5 million ARPA allocation, and related matters.]
LATER. I AM A YES.>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, GREAT. NEXT ONE $600,000 FOR THE SANTA
MARIA CAN SUBDIVISION DRAINAGE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: JUDGE, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 17, 18 AND 19.
ONE OF THEM IS MINE. ONE OF THEM COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND HAVE TO
DO WITH ARPA. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM GOING TO TAKE THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND I WANT TO READ IT.
SINCE COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IS NUMBER 17 AND COMING FROM HIS PRECINCT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONER CHESNEY GIVEN THAT -- THAT I KNOW DRAINAGE IN THE SANTA MARIA SUBDIVISION IS A MAJOR ISSUE AND ALL THIS IS PUTTING MONEY IN A BUCKET.
IT ISN'T EVEN BRINGING THE PROJECT FORTH.
LETTING THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT HE IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT
ARE YOU GOING TO HOLD FOR 17. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DIDN'T PROVIDE THE BACK-UP I NEEDED TO BECAUSE I WASN'T READY TO DO THAT SO I THINK BEING FAIR AND BEING CONSISTENT THEN YES I WOULD LIKE TO I BELIEVE THAT TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL TO THE
COURT. >> THE DETAIL OF THE PROJECT.
>> YES. I WILL GET WITH JUAN AND.
YOU REALIZE ALL YOU ARING TO IS ALLOCATING AND NOT CREATING THE
AND -- IT IS GOING TO BE DONE ANYWAY, BUT I AM FRYING TO BE CONSISTENT. I AM WORKING ON THE PROJECT.
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I MET WITH THE RESIDENTS KEEPING THEM INFORMED.JUAN IS COMING UP WITH A PLAN THAT I CAN PRESENT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: HOW IT DECEMBER --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE THAT AN INDEFINITE AND PUT IT BACK ON -- I AM FINE WITH JANUARY.
WHEN I PRESENT IT THE NEXT TIME, IT IS GOING TO BE DETAILED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST TO GET THE DETAIL DONE.
I WANT TO GET THE APPROVAL OF EVERYTHING DONE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COURT WITH BACK-UP. I AM OKAY WITH JANUARY 4.
>>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE WAS COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AND I GUESS YOU WILL SECOND YOUR OWN AGENDA ITEM.
UNTIL JANUARY 4. AND MOTION AND A SECOND AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. I WILL ABSTAIN OUT OF COURTESY, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO BE ALLOCATE DOLLARS.
[18. Discuss and consider funding the Nueces County RV Mobile Medical Unit for public health expenses, supplies, equipment and operation through American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds in the amount of $100,000.]
SO I AM GOING TO ABSTAIN ON THAT.18 IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER FUND THE NUECES COUNTY RV MEDICAL UNIT FOR PUBLIC HEALTH EXPENSES. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE THAT WAS ON ITEM 14. BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE ONE ON
14 JUST SO THAT THE PEOPLE KNOW. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE DIFFERENCE IS MOSTLY FOR HEALTH EXPENSES.
THAT IS WHY I WANT TO TABLE THIS.
I AM TALKING TO THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THE SAME THING WITH THE ARPA FUNDS. TABLE THE ARPA FUNDS, WE NEED TO DO IT CONSISTENTLY. I AM -- I AM GOING TO TABLE
THIS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE MOBILE MEDICAL UNIT, YOU WILL BRING BACK TO THE COURT.
YOU WANT TO ASK THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT FOR THE FUNDS, SO PER THE POLICY, YOU WON'T -- HARD TO TALK TO THEM BECAUSE YOU HAVE A
POLICY THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO, JUDGE.
AN ONGOING FEE THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR THE ARE,V.
NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE DOING IT.
THEY HAVE ALREADY APPROVED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT FOR THE NEXT YE YEAR.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT. SO, AGAIN, IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK THEM FOR MORE MONEY, REMIND YOU THAT YOU NEED TO BRING IT TO
THE COURT FIRST. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NO
PROBLEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD AND STICK THAT ON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ARPA FUNDING. I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT? JANUARY. I WANT TO TABLE IT UNTIL
JANUARY. >>JUDGE CANALES: JANUARY 4.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: INDEFINITELY.
>>JUDGE CANALES: INDEFINITELY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEN
BRING IT BACK. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[19. Discuss and consider allocating American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds ($135,000) for a pavilion at Kiwanas Park; Discuss and consider allocating ARPA funds ($220,000) for a walking trail at Diaz Park.]
OKAY. THE NEXT ONE WAS REALLY COMMISSIONER MAREZ. AND I AM ASSISTING DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ALLOCATING AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FOR PAVILION AT KIWANIS PARK AND THE WALKING TRIAL AT DIASS PARK IN CONJUNCTION A BIGGER THING THEY HAVE THERE.COMMISSIONER MAREZ, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE HERE?
>>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: JUST TALKING DIAZ.
>>JUDGE CANALES: PAVILION LOCATED AT KIWANIS AND DIAS THE
WALKING TRAIL. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHICH
WANT THIS IS MINE. >>JUDGE CANALES: KIWANIS IS YOURS. THIS IS WHAT THE -- THIS IS WHAT THE -- THIS IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.
BOTH KIWKIWANIS. THIS IS WHAT THE CITY SECRETARY WAS SPEAKING ABOUT EARLIER TODAY.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TABLE.
GUILT AHEAD AND TABLE THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE YOUR
KIWANIS PARK. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YES,
MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER MAREZ. THERE IS A TABLE FOR THE PAVILION AT KIWANIS PARK. A AND.
>>. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS A PROJECT THEY ARE GETTING STARTED. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN BRING IT
BACK BY DECEMBER? >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WILL
WAIT UNTIL JANUARY, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WILL WAIT
UNTIL JANUARY. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YES,
MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE UNTIL JANUARY 4. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. COMMISSIONER MAREZ, THE WALKING TRAIL AT DIAS PARK. I KNOW IT IS IN YOUR AREA.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I AM IN FAVOR OF IT.
ROBS TOWN, IF WE CAN HELP SUPPORT THEM.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
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DO WE HAVE EVERYTHING -- HAS -- HAS THIS PROJECT BEEN -- HAVE IT BEEN VERIFIED AND BACKGROUND INFORMATION.I HAVE A PROJECT PLANNED AT DIAZ PARK.
BUT NOT THE WALKING TRAIL. THIS IS THE CITY OF ROBS TOWN.
A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WITH WE CAN PUT THIS IN PLACE BY DECEMBER, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT BY DECEMBER.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE ALLOCATION AND PROVIDED -- I SAW IT COME THROUGH TO YOUR OFFICE. I KNOW THEY PROVIDED THE INFORMATION THAT WENT THERE AS WELL.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AN ALLOCATION FROM YOUR PRECINCT, JOHN. YOUR ARPA FUNDS.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I UNDER STOOD THIS AS -- AS SEPARATE
FUNDING THROUGH THE JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: BOTH CO 21S AND ARPA. AND JUST A MATTER OF WHAT YOU WANTED TO PUT IN AND WHAT I COULD PUT IN.
BOTH WILL QUALIFY. VETTED FOR BOTH VETTED FOR ARPA.
AGAIN, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THESE DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO CREATE A WHOLE -- LIKE YOU SAID, YOU GOT ANOTHER PROJECT IN DIAZ PARK, THE IDEA IS -- IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE DOING, IT IS HARD TO KNOW HOW TO -- HOW TO GO.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO BACK-UP ON THIS ONE.
NOTHING IN MY AGENDA. WITH RESPECT, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A TYPO AND THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR ORTIZ PARK AND I HAD TO CALL AND FIND OUT -- THIS IS NOT EVEN OUR PARK.
NOT HAVING ANY -- AGAIN, NO BACKGROUND, I WILL TABLE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 4. MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE TO
JANUARY 4. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER -- HE ASKED -- HIS MOTION TO BRING IT BACK IN DECEMBER.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: BRING IT BACK EARLIER I WOULD LIKE TO.
THE FUNDING I HAVE IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF THIS, RIGHT.
SO I HAVE -- I HAVE BEEN IN TALKS, COMMUNICATING WITH THE MAYOR, CITY SECRETARY ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS I MET WITH THEM.
OVERALL PROJECTS THAT I WANT TO PUT A LOT OF ARPA FUNDING INTO ASIDE FROM DRAINAGE ISSUES INTO THE CITY OF ROBS TOWN.
ANOTHER PROJECT I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS. I AM ALL IN FAVOR IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING WE CAN USE NOW.
AS WE ARE ALL DOING -- STARTING TO RUN OUT OF MONEY.
ALLOCATING MONEY. WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR OWN PROJECTS. AND THAT MONEY GOES QUICK.
IT IS QUICK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BIG SCALE PROJECTS.
IF THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW OUTSIDE OF MY OWN FUNDING SOURCE I WILL BE WILLING TO ACCEPT IT.
I HOPE THE COURT WILL SUPPORT THAT.
IF THERE IS NOT OR SOMETHING THAT WE ARE MISSING, I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT ADDRESSED AND ADJUSTED BY DECEMBER.
IF WE ARE ABLE TAMPA. THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST OF THE COURT IF THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT IS NOT FUNDING THAT I HAVE TO DIRECTLY PUT IN, WHETHER IT IS AVAIL TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, LET'S DO IT RIGHT NOW.
VOTE ON IT TODAY. IF NOT, LET'S REGROUP AND BRING IT BACK BY OUR FIRST DECEMBER MEETING SO WE CAN THEN PUT IT IN PLACE AND GET THAT FUNDING FORWARD.
I DEFINITELY SUPPORT IT. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT BECAUSE OTHER PROJECTS I WILL BE BRINGING UP IN THE NEW YEAR I HAVE THAT BEEN WORKING WITH YOU THAT WE HAVE MET HON ALREADY FOR DIAZ PARK AND OTHER PARTS OF THE PRECINCT.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IN IS DIAZ AND NOT ORTIZ PARK.
>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY PROBLEM WITH THIS WE ARE SPENDING NEXT YEAR'S FUNDS OUT OF NEXT YEAR'S COUNTY JUDGE'S FUNDS BECAUSE THESE FUNDS WON'T BE DOING IT -- SO THAT IS -- THAT IS I DIDN'T ASKED. IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO IT, JOHN, THEN OKAY. BUT I AM HAVING A HARD TIME SUPPORTING THINGS OF SPENDING MONEY OUT OF COUNTY JUDGE ALLOCATIONS THAT WON'T OCCUR THIS YEAR THAT CAN'T OCCUR THIS THAT CAN'T OCCUR UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
THAT IS MY -- THAT IS ALL OF MY TABLING.
EVERYTHING THAT I AM ATTEMPTING TO TABLE TODAY HAVE TO DO WITH THINGS THAT DON'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR THAT AREN'T ESSENTIAL FOR THIS YEAR AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT TO SPEND MONEY FOR FUTURE COUNTY JUDGE'S ALLOCATION THAT WE CAN'T PHYSICALLY SPEND THIS YEAR.
A PROJECT THAT WAS SHOVEL READY. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS SHOVEL
READY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS
IT WAS NOT ATTACHED. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE HONEST TO YOU. THIS IS, LIKE, THE FIFTH TIME YOU WERE PROVIDED WITH THIS INFORMATION.
>> LET ME CORRECT THAT. WE JUST -- WE JUST GOT THAT FROM HAGERTY TODAY IN THE MORNING OR LAST NIGHT.
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T THAT.>>JUDGE CANALES: THE LAST DOCUMENTATION WAS GIVEN TO YOU LAST COURT. THE DAY -- DIDN'T MAKE IT FOR LAST COURT AND THEY SENT IT OVER.
LOOK, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS SAYS COMMISSIONER PRECINCT 3 SUBMITTED THIS.
AND YOU ARE SAYING -- I DON'T KNOW WHOSE JOB IT IS TO GET IT IN, BUT IT IS NOT -- THERE IS NO BACK-UP.
I DON'T THINK LEGALLY -- WE CAN'T VOTE ON THESE THINGS.
HAS A RIGHT TO SEE THIS AND DO THIS.
AND WE KEEP VOTING ON THINGS AND GREAT PROJECT AND IF I DO IT,
THEN I AM A HORRIBLE PERSON. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU KEEP USING THE WORD "LEGAL." YOU ARE INCORRECT.
IT ABSOLUTELY IS -- THE OPEN POLICY OF ALL COMMISSIONERS COURTS TO DISCUSS ITEM PLACED ON THE AGENDA AND PROPERLY NOTICED.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PROPERLY NOTICED WITH BACK-UP.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALLOCATING SOME DOLLARS TO IS A PROJECT THAT QUITE FRANKLY HAS OPINION IN MY OPINION PURPOSELY AND THWARTED TO BRING THE AGENDA ITEMS IN A TIMELY WAY.
>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHO SUBMITTED THIS ITEM.
I CALLED JOHN AND I SAID IS THIS WHY YOU ARE ITEM.
YOU SAID NO. I WAS TOO IG TO GET BACKGROUND -- AND YOU TOLD ME -- TELL ME IF THAT'S WRONG THIS WASN'T YOUR ITEM. SO THEREFORE -- SOMEHOW IT GOT -- THAT'S WHY I CALLED HIM AND JOHN SAID, NOPE, DIDN'T SUBMIT IT. NOT MY PROJECT.
I FULLY SUPPORT IT. I THINK IT IS A GREAT PROJECT.
GREAT, SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PROJECT.
I AM LOOKING FOR BACK-UP. AND NOBODY HAS BACK-UP.
JUDGE, ALL DUE RESPECT, IF YOU WERE SUBMITTING THESE ITEMS, SUBMIT THEM. SUBMIT THEM WITH BACK-UP.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT IS NOT LEGAL.
WE HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO POST WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TO THE PUBLIC. THAT IS A LEGAL OBLIGATION AND I
FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE VOTING. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S AGREE THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE VOTING FOR IT IF IT IS A DISSERTATION.
IT IS SIMPLE. ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR A WALKING TRAIL THAT QUITE FRANKLY WAS SUBMITTED BY BEATRIC CHATTO.
AND IF THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN COMMISSIONER MAREZ AND OUR OFFICE, BUT THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY BROUGHT FORTH. I SAW THE DOCUMENTS MYSELF OVER TWO WEEKS AGO. IT IS NOT HARD.
IT IS A ROCKING TRAIL. YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING ANYTHING. FASCINATING TO ME THAT WE NEED TO KEEP ON IT. LET'S JUST MOVE ON.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT -- THAT THE KIWANIS WAS IN PRECINCT 1. THAT MUST HAVE GOTTEN ADDED ON SOM SOMEHOW.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE CITY OF ROBS TOWN THAT IS MOST LIKELY IN YOUR PRECINCT.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: COMMISSIONER, WILL YOU ABLE TO SAY THAT YOU WILL USE YOUR MONEY OR NOT.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT'S FINE.
IF YOU WANT TO ALLOCATE YOURS. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: WHAT I SAID EARLIER. IN PLANNING THIS OUT AND MEETING WITH IDAY THE FEW TIMES WE HAVE ALREADY.
QUICKLY RUNNING OUT OF MONEY LIKE YOU ALL ARE.
WE HAVE PROJECTS AND THAT MONEY IS GOING TO DIFFERENT ALLOCATIONS. SO IF THERE IS MONEY THAT -- THAT I CAN ACCESS THAT DOESN'T TAP INTO MY ARPA FUNDING WHICH I WANT TOP DO MORE -- MORE FLOOD MITIGATION IN THE ROBS TOWN AREA AND THE STREETS AND DO SOMETHING IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND WORK ON THAT. SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ADDING UP AS FAR AS PRICE TAG. IF THIS COMES FROM OUTSIDE SOURCES OTHER THAN MINE I WILL ASK THIS COURT TO SUPPORT IT TODAY. IF WE CAN WORK IT OUT AND GET IT DONE BY DECEMBER, TO ALLOW THE COURT TO WORK ON THIS PROCESS
AND DO IT BY DECEMBER. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER. I AM THE SAME WAY.
I DIDN'T PUT DOWN THIS PARK, KIWANIS PARK.
WHERE DID IT COME FROM? >>JUDGE CANALES: THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN. THEY THOUGHT IT WAS IN
COMMISSIONER MAREZ'S PRECINCT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: IT IS IN
NORTH BEACH. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I CAN RESTATE TO DO IT THE 14TH IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE YOUR MONEY OR NOT. THEN WE GO TO JANUARY.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I ASK FOR A TABLE.
IF WE CAN'T GET IT DONE BY DECEMBER.
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THEN WE WILL WORK ON IT AND GET IT DONE IN THE NEW YEAR.GET IT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. TABLE IT TO THE 14TH TO SEE IF
YOU CAN WORK IT OUT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: 7TH OR 14TH. IF THE 14TH IS A LIGHTER AGENDA,
DO IT FOR THE 14TH. >>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE IS
AMENDED FOR THE 14 ST. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I SECONDED WHOEVER MADE THE MOTION ON JANUARY 4.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MADE A MOTION FOR JANUARY 4, BUT MAYBE I CAN ADD THAT IF COMMISSIONER MAREZ WILL USE HIS OWN FUNDS, WE
CAN DO IT THE 14TH. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THERE YOU GO. BUT IF NOT GOING TO USE HIS OWN
FUNDS, WAIT UNTIL JANUARY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I SECOND THAT. AND JOHN, I WILL HELP YOU FIND SOME -- I WILL GIVE YOU SOME OF MINE.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEND OTHER MONIES.
I WILL GIVE YOU SOME TOO. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HEARD THE MOTION, KARA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY
[20. Discuss and consider approval of proposed 2023 Nueces County Holiday Calendar.]
SAYING AYE. OKAY.NEXT ONE IS THE HOLIDAY CALENDAR.
THIS ONE WE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON.
YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION
TO PASS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE GOT DISCUSSION.
I REALIZE I WON'T BE HERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IS TRENDING IN THE COUNTRY IS A MENTAL HEALTH DAY.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO IDAY ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS NOT A DESIGNATED DAY SO IT DIDN'T MAKE IT AS A HOLIDAY, BUT I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER IT. THIS IS TRENDING A I CROSS THE NATION. ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A DIFFERENTIATION WHEN YOU ARE SICK AND WHEN A LOVED ONE IS NEEDING TO TAKE A -- A MENTAL HEALTH DAY SAYS, HEY, I AM OUT, RIGHT. I HAVE GOT TO -- BECAUSE IF YOU ARE SICK, YOU NEED TO BE AT HOME.
IT IS DIFFERENT. MENTAL HEALTH MAY BE YOU PICK UP A CHILD AND TAKE CARE OF THEM OR YOUR SPOUSE NEEDS YOU OR THAT YOU NEED YOU, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS REALLY CRITICAL. I WILL TELL THAT YOU MOST OF THE TIME I BREAK IT UP INTO SEMESTERS.
AND LET THE CALENDAR. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER DOING TWO, ONE IN THE FALL.
ONE IN THE SPRING. THE ONLY HARD PART IS YOU DON'T KNOW BEN IT IS COMING, RIGHT. IT IS NOT LIKE YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE WHEN YOU WILL HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH DAY.
BUT THE SAME PARAMETER ALSO APPLY AS SICK.
YOU HAVE TO CALL IN. YOU HAVE TO DECLARE IT.
AND -- AND THAT'S ALL -- SOMETHING THAT THIS COURT NEEDS TO BE MORE MODERN AND RECOGNIZE AS THAT THE STRESSES UPON LIFE HAVE CHANGED IN A COVID WORLD. POST DEVELOPED WORLD AND WE ARE SEEING THE STRESSES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
BY THE WAY THE REASON I LEARNED ABOUT THIS IS FROM A PANEL THAT I SAT ON FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT NEED IT THE MOST. PETITION SEE TRAUMATIC THINGS
EVERY DAY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALL THE
FIRST RESPONDERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS. EVERYBODY WHO WORKS IN PUBLIC HEALTH. YOU WOULD HATE TO LOSE THAT PERSON BECAUSE THEY JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO, YOU KNOW -- THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO COPE THAT DAY AND THEY WEREN'T SICK TECHNICALLY THE WAY WE DEFINE SICK IN THE HR MANUAL.
PLEASE CONSIDER IT. BASIC INFORMATION AARON DIAZ AND MENTAL HEALTH DAYS AND HOW IT IS VIEWED ACROSS THE COUNTY AND YOU WILL BE A GOOD COUNTY, AND A GOOD COUNTY EMPLOYER IF YOU CONSIDER THAT. THOSE ARE MY ONLY COMMENTS.
WITH THAT, IF NO OTHER COMMENTS, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[21. Discuss and consider appointment of an Interim Director of Human Resources for purposes of continuity of operations of the County.]
OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS THE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT OF A INTERIM DIRECTOR OF HR FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. IDAY.>> YES, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE COURT APPOINT MELINDA.
SHE IS WORKING IN HR. I SPOKE WITH HER AND SHE IS ABLE
TO HANDLE THIS POSITION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO
MOVED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND IS SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHEN SOMEBODY TAKES ON NEW DUTIES THAT REQUIRES UNDER OUR OWN HR POLICIES TO BE COMPENSATED FOR
THE DUTIES. >> I WILL WORK WITH THAT TO
BRING THAT COMPENSATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: BRING THAT BACK
ON DECEMBER 7. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. ARE YOU GOOD, KARA ON THAT.
[22. Discuss and consider updates to the Vendor Payments Exception List.]
>> YOU ARE GOOD. >>JUDGE CANALES: DISCUSS AND VENDOR PAYMENT LIST. MOVE TO DALE.
>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ BROUGHT THIS UP.
NOT FROM ME. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER
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GONZALEZ. VENDOR PAYMENT LIST.>> 22. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE VENDOR PAYMENT LIST. YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER UPDATES
TO IT? >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YEAH, I THINK I HAVE -- I THINK THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAD GRANTS ON IT.
WHY IS GRANTS ON THERE? IS THAT THE ONE THAT HAVE GRANTS ON THERE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY GRANTS WOULD BE THERE. I DON'T -- I REALLY DON'T THINK GRANTS SHOULD BE THERE AT ALL, PERIOD.
>> SOME OF OUR GRANTS REQUIRE ADVANCE PAYMENTS FOR FUNCTIONS BALANCES. WE CAN PUT THAT IN AND SOMETIMES OUR GRANT MIGHT BE REJECTED BECAUSE WE DON'T MAKE PROMPT PAYM PAYMENTS.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: HAS THAT HAPPENED?
>> IT HAPPENS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THERES A
SAFEGUARD? >> THERE IS A SAFEGUARD.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TO ME YOU PAY WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING TO PAY -- WHAT IS COMING IN. WHAT IS GOING OUT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I -- I JUST DON'T THINK GRANTS SHOULD BE IN THERE. THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
IF SOMETHING IS SHORT FUSED, WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.
NOBODY -- WE SHOULD NEVER BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE THAT
SHORT OF A FUSE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AGREE WITH THAT. IF YOU WERE MAKING A MOTION TO
TAKE THAT OFF THE LIST. >> WE WILL.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WAIT UNTIL WE VOTE, DALE.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MOTION TO TAKE THEM OFF THE LIST.
>>JUDGE CANALES: MAYBE YOU CAN ASK GRANTS -- I AREDAY, I AM UNDER DISCUSSION. TO EXPLAIN IN ANOTHER MEETING OF WHY SHE THINKS THAT IS IMPORTANT.
OR WHAT SAFEGUARD YOU CAN PUT IN.
ANY TIME YOU PASS A RULE THAT BOXES YOU IN, YOU ARE FORCED TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING. YOU ARE FORCED TO DO THINGS UNDER THE EXCEPTIONS OF EMERGENCIES.
MAYBE UPDATE THE POLICY IN A DIFFERENT DAY THAT BASICALLY SAYS, OKAY, GRANTS ARE REMOVED. THAT IS WHAT THE MOTION IS NOW.
ACCEPT IN CIRCUMSTANCE TANSES WHERE THE COURT MANAGER AND THE AUDITOR DEEM IT TO BE AN EMERGENCY OF WHICH CASE IT IS BACK TO COURT FOR RADIFICATION AND HAVE SAFEGUARDS OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. EVERY TIME YOU MAKE THESE RULES.
ALL YOU ARE DOING IS CREATING A PROBLEM FOR YOURSELF IF YOU DON'T HAVE EXCEPTIONS -- IT JUST HAPPENED A MONTH AGO WITH HMGB.
WHERE SOMEBODY DENIES YOU. OH, IF YOU TURN AROUND AND APPLY TOMORROW. YOU KNOW, I MEAN -- I WILL WORK WITH ANA AND SAY, HEY, TELL ME -- TELL ME WHAT YOU REALLY NEED HERE. GET SOME EXCEPTIONS AND GET GUARDRAILS AND PROTECT YOURSELF. DON'T BOX YOURSELF IN.
[23. Discuss and consider the final contract of Dr. Adel Shaker with Nueces County and an extension of that contract for the completion of out-of-county autopsy performed by Dr. Lyden for decedent Juanita Saldivar, and related matters.]
OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.THE NEXT ONE IS THE -- DOES THIS ONE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, JENNY? ITEM 23?
>> I BELIEVE THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE ITEM ON THIS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO WE NEED ONE?
>>JUDGE CANALES: 23. IT IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IS IT NEEDED IS AUTO ALL I AM ASKING.
>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM NUMBER 24 IS ALSO EXEC. ITEMS NUMBER 25 IS EXEC.
DIFFERENT SETTLEMENT AUTHORIZATIONS, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
ITEM NUMBER 26 IS EXECUTIVE AS WELL.
ITEM NUMBER 27 IS EXECUTIVE AS WELL.
[30. Discuss and consider next Commissioners Court meeting date.]
ITEM NUMBER 28 IS EXECUTIVE AS WWELL. >>JUDGE CANALES: DISCUSS THE DATES OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.
WE HAD TO POST FOR A MEETING ON FRIDAY, BUT A LIMITED AGENDA, BUT FOR THE AWARENESS OF THE.PUBLIC AND THE COURTHOUSE A MEETING ON FRIDAY AT 3 P.M. FOR THOSE OF YOU GOING FIELD OF HONOR AT 4:30, SHOULD BE PLENTY OF TIME.
TWO ITEMS. ONE IS TO DEAL -- THE BOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE SECOND ONE. CANVASSING THE ELECTION.
THANK YOU. WE WILL BE SEEING YOU ON COURT.
THE FOLLOWING COURT AFTER THAT IS NOVEMBER -- DECEMBER 7.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I HAVE A MOTION -- I HAVE A MOTION
ON THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WAS --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ON 29. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON 29.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO MOVE PAST IT NO,
SORRY. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE RIGHT.
I WENT TO THE DATE INSTEAD OF THE COURT.
FORGIVE ME, LET'S GET BACK TO 29.
GO TO 30, NO ACTION NEEDED ON 30.
I AM LETTING KNOW AND THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE A MEETING ON FRIDAY. IT IS VERY LIMITED.
I THINK FOR YOUR PURPOSES, SCHEDULE YOURSELF FOR ONE HOUR IN THE INTEREST OF -- I KNOW -- I DON'T MEAN IT WILL TAKE AN HOUR. I THINK I LIKE TO BLOCK TIME OUT JUST IN CASE. SORRY --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE A MOTION ON 30.
WHEN YOU GO BACK TO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WAS MY MOTION. THERE IS NO ACTION.
WHAT ACTION DO YOU NEED ON 30? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU ARE
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GOING TO GO BACK TO 29. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WAS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO 29 AND IF YOU DO 30.
I HAVE A MOTION I NEED TO MAKE ON 30.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IS THE MOTION ON 30 BECAUSE THAT IS THE
ONE WE ARE ON NOW. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT YOU WOULD GO TO 29. TO LIMIT DECEMBER 7 AND 14 TO ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES, NO REPORTS, NO PRESENTATIONS.
8:30 A.M. TO NOON POSTING AND NO OR ARPA AGENDA ITEMS TO IT BE PUT ON THE AGENDA UNTIL 2023. AND ALSO NO ITEMS WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD WITHOUT BACK-UP POSTED IN ADVANCE.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: I MEAN, THAT IS
LIKE -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS MY MOTION. BELIEVE I WORKED ON IT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM CERTAIN THAT YOU DID.
OKAY, YOU KNOW, I CAN JUST LEAVE IF YOU WANT ME TOO.
I MEAN THAT -- FIRST OF ALL, THAT -- THAT IS NOT A PROPER MOTION NOR IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS LAW.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COMPLETELY PROPER.
WE ALREADY MADE IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WASN'T IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS LAW AND WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
JUST SO YOU REMEMBER THAT PARTICULAR DAY THAT HAPPENED, WE HAD TO INCLUDE FIVE OR SIX OTHER IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT CAME UP.
YOU CAN NOT LIMIT THE COURT'S BUSINESS.
YOU CAN'T LIMIT A COMMISSIONER OR A JUDGE BY PUTTING ON AN AGENDA ITEM. AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT -- IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT IS NOT -- YOU CAN'T DO THAT BY POLICY.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT HERE PRETTY SOON. I JUST BELIEVE THAT IS AN IMPROPER. IF YOU PASS THAT, THAT IS AN IMPROPER MOTION AND IT HURTS NUECES COUNTY'S BUSINESS.
ALLOW THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY TO TAKE PLACE.
IF YOU WANT TO TABLE THINGS LIKE YOU HAVE DONE TODAY, I MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT, BUT IT IS WITHIN THE REALM OF THE COURT, BUT YOU MAY NOT LIMIT -- FRANCISCO, I THOUGHT YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THIS.
YOU CAN NOT LIMIT A COMMISSIONER FROM PLACING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS JUST NOT -- CAN'T BE DONE BY POLICY. JUST LIKE YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW,
LIMIT THE QUORUM EITHER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY.
I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU AND I AM NOT GOING TO -- I WILL AGREE THE NO MORE ARPA AGENDA ITEM UNTIL '23.
THE REST OF IT SHOULD BE WITHOUT PROBLEM.
I WILL REREAD IT WITHOUT THAT PART.
AND I WILL MAKE MOTIONS IF THE ARPA ITEMS GET PUT ON.
THAT'S FINE. MOTION TO LIMIT DECEMBER 7 AND 14 TO ESSENTIAL BUSINESS. NO REPORTS, NO PRESENTATIONS, 8:30 UNTIL NOON POSTING. AND NO ITEMS ALLOWED WITHOUT
BACK-UP CAN BE HEARD. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO ITEMS WITHOUT BACK-UP, I DON'T HAVE A PRO
PROBLEM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TOOK OUT
THE NO MORE ARPA. >>JUDGE CANALES: EXPECT FOR COMMISSIONER MAREZ WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WAS A SPECIFIC -- NO I TOOK OUT THE ARPA PART. SO IT IS OUT.
NOT PART OF THIS MOTION. I AM TAKE IT OUT.
THAT THE IS PART YOU OBJECT TO. >>JUDGE CANALES: I -- OKAY.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT -- YOU TALKED SO MUCH TODAY OF CREATING AWARENESS. IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT, YOU SHOULD HAVE POSTED THAT TOO. AND SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO BRIEF THAT LEGALLY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT JUDGE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: TALK SOMETHING NOT PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO BRIEF IT. IF YOU WERE GOING TO LEMONT ABILITY TO PLACE AGENDA ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE THE ABILITY --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HE PULLED THAT OFF, JUDGE.
I PULLED IT OFF. I SAID IT SIX TIMES.
BY PULLED IT OUT. >>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU THAT
BASED ON A TIME PARAMETER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU CAN PUT -- I DON'T WANT ALL THE PRESENTATIONS, I DON'T WANT THE
REPORT. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING. I DON'T THINK THAT IS PROPER.
>> JUDGE, CAN I. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL LET YOU.
>> YOU DID, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU DID MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE A PRESENTATION UNTIL DECEMBER 14.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH PRESENTATION.
>> BOILERS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT THIS AS AN ACTION ITEM. NOT A PRESENTATION.
GOOD POINT. I WANT THAT PUT ON AS AN ACTION
ITEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: PRESENTATION
FROM 501-C-3S. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:
PRESENTATIONS. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOD FORBID IF -- IF SOMETHING RELEVANT, YOU ARE NOT COMING TO COURT.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WILL BE AN
ACTION ITEM. >> BUT NO ACTION ITEM IN --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK YOU IS WHAT I AM TELLING YOU.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THAT SUBMIT IT THROUGH THE
COURT'S SOFTWARE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL
BE HAPPY TO DO IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE MIXING
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ITEMS. MIXING AGENDA ITEMS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR -- YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AS MINIMAL WORK TO BE CONDUCTED IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, IS THAT ACCURATE? YOU WANT IT TO BE 8 TO 12 -- 8:30 TO 12 AND YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE TO COME AND GIVE ANY RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT COMES FROM ORGANIZATIONS, JUST THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU THINK ARE IMPORTANT.IS THAT RIGHT? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO.
MY MOTION SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. EVERYBODY GETS TO PUT ON WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT ON OTHER THAN THOSE THINGS.
MY MOTION IS MY MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T THINK TIME CAN BE LIMITED, EITHER, JENNY, OTHER THAN OUT OF COURTESY, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CHANGE THE COURT'S BUSINESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE -- I HAVE THE OPTION TO RECESS. BUT AGAIN, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO BOX OURSELVES? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? WHY CAN'T WE BE NORMAL. WHY CAN CAN'T YOU CREATE THE NORMAL ENVIRONMENT FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT 30 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT WILL HAVE TO BE TABLED.
I DON'T REALLY OWE YOU AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS.
I MADE A MOTION. IT WAS SECONDED.
I TOOK OUT THE PART THAT YOU OBJECTED TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE YOU AND YET YOU KEEP COMING BACK AT ME.
THAT'S OKAY. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT.
BUT I TOOK OUT THE PART THAT YOU OBJECTED TO.
AND YOU ARE STILL ARGUING WITH ME ON IT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING AND LET OTHER PEOPLE DISCUSS AND LET'S VOTE AND MOVE ON.
BECAUSE I TOOK OUT THE PART YOU REALLY DIDN'T WANT.
OPINIONED YOU STILL DON'T LIKE IT.
I KNOW YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT.
THAT'S OKAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU -- THAT YOU GET TO CONTROL THE COURT HERE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I MAKE A MOTION.
IF IT DOESN'T PASS, IT DOESN'T PASS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, IF YOU HAD THAT AS AN ITEM, IT SHOULD
BE -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAY
DISCUSS THE NEXT COURT MEETINGS. >>JUDGE CANALES: SAYS THE DATES, BRENT. DOESN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE ABLE TO PUT ON OR THE TIME OR ALL THE THINGS WE PUT FORTH.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE VIOLATING YOUR OWN RULE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU PUT THIS ON AS A REGULAR AGENDA
ITEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS TRUE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SOMEONE PUT IT ON.
I TAKE IT BACK. WE HAD DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS FOREVER. YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I AM MAKING
A MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT IS NOTICED PROPERLY. JENNY, I WILL MAKE THE -- THAT IT IS NOT NOTICED AND PEOPLE MAY HAVE COME IN AND HAD PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WOULD HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY BRIEF IT.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CAN WE DO IT LIKE AT 2:00?
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU SAW THIS MORNING.
DO YOU NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE DECEMBER MONTHS? I KNOW, I AM NOT SURE WHAT -- WHAT DISEASE AWARENESS HAPPENS IN THE FRONT OF DISEASE, BUT I AM SURE THERE IS SOMETHING.
AND THE THING IS, IT IS JUST NOT RIGHT.
WHY LIMIT YOURSELF. GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COURT TO DO ITS BUSINESS IN THE MOST EFFICIENT AND EXPEDIENT
WAY, PERIOD. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL BE HAPPY TO AMEND IF THERE IS A DECEMBER MONTH THAT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: HOW ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS GIVEN US 50 YEARS OF SERVICE WHO IS RETIRING.
I GO GO ON AND ON AND ON. THE EX-MR. NATION.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MORE THE PRESENTATIONS.
I MADE A MOTION TO JUST BE PRESENTATIONS, BUT I AM SURE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO STILL LIKE IT BECAUSE OKAY, SOMETHING YOU
ASKED FOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: WOULD YOU
RESTATE YOUR MOTION? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LIMIT THE DECEMBER 7 AND DECEMBER 14 TO ESSENTIAL BUSINESS AND IT DIDN'T -- SAY NO REPORTS AND NO PRESENTATIONS, IT DIDN'T LIMIT THE THING THAT YOU ASKED FOR. SAID NO REPORTS AND NO PRESENTATIONS FROM 8:30 UNTIL NOON AND NO ITEMS TO BE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA OR HEARD ON THE AGENDA THAT DON'T HAVE APPROPRIATE BACK-UP. SO IT DIDN'T -- DIDN'T EXCLUDE
THE THINGS YOU ASKED FOR ANYWAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: AYE, SO I CAN BRING IT BACK.
I WILL PUT YOU ON NOTICE THAT I INTEND TO FOR RECONSIDERATION AFTER WE KNOW WHAT DECEMBER LOOKS LIKE.
AND ALSO, THERE IS NO DEFINITION WHAT "ESSENTIAL BUSINESS" IS OTHER THAN WHAT WE DEEM IT TO BE ESSENTIAL.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE ALL BUSINESS IS ESSENTIAL.
[29. Discuss and consider the dates for Commissioners Court 2023.]
ON ITEM NUMBER 29, YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER THE DATES FOR 2023.>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOVED AS PROPOSED.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: DISCUSSION.
>>JUDGE CANALES: DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONER MAREZ.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THANK YOU. I KNOW IDAY AND BELINDA WORK HARD ON CREATING THESE DATES. I WAS WANTING TO SEE IF WE CAN
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MOVE UP OUR MEETING FROM JANUARY 25 TO THE 18.I HAVE A CONFLICT THAT DAY, NOT ANYTHING THAT WOULD AVOID ME , OUT BETTER FOR MY SCHEDULE. ALSO IN MARCH, THE 29 -- WHICH
ONE -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH
ONE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: JANUARY 25 TO THE 18. ASKING EVERYONE TO LOOK FOR
THEIR CALENDAR. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:
WEDNESDAY? >>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: YES, SIR. MARCH 29 TO MARCH 22.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOLD ON, WHICH ONE --
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: MARCH 29 TO MARCH 22.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET ME JUST LOOK REAL QUICK, PLEASE.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: AND DO YOU KNOW, LIKE SPRING BREAK.
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THE FIRST WEEK OR TWO OF MARCH.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T HAVE ANY --
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: IT'S -- THERE ARE BIG BREAKS, RIGHT.
AND I KNOW THAT WE TRY TO -- TRY TO SPREAD OUT OUR MEETINGS SO WE CAN -- WE ARE NOT HAVING TO CALL SPECIAL MEET INFORMATION BETWEEN. AND I KNOW THAT STILL MAY HAPPEN. BUT IF WE KEEP THEM WITHIN TWO OR THREE WEEKS, LESS LIKELY WE WILL HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL ONE THAT IS COMPARED TO MAYBE A FOUR-WEEK SEPARATION.
BUT -- SO THE MARCH -- ONE WEEK AND KEEPS IT FROM THE 8TH.
IF WE MOVE TO THE 22ND. 8TH AND # 2ND, ONLY TWO WEEKS APART ON THAT. LOOKING INTO NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, THE 22ND OF NOVEMBER IS ACTUALLY THANKSGIVING WEEK.
37 AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST THE BEST AVAILABLE DATE OR PERHAPS IF WE CAN -- WE MAKE IT 29TH.
SINCE WE ARE MEETING ALREADY ON NOVEMBER 8, THAT WOULD ONLY BE A THREE-WEEK DIFFERENCE. AND FROM THE 29TH, WE WILL NEED TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT AND DECEMBER 13.
SO KIND OF SPREADS THEM OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT IF YOU WANT TO AVOID A BACK-TO-BACK
-- >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THAT'S WHY I MADE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. NONE OF THESE WILL HAVE A
BACK-TO-BACK WEEK. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OTHER ON THE 22ND. IF YOU MOVE THE 22ND TO THE --
>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: IN NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 8 AND 29.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY BAD. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I WAS THINKING DO THE 15TH. I THINK IT IS BACK TO BACK AND TOUGH ON STAFF. AND END UP HAVING THE MEETINGS ANYWAY AND SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
THESE ARE JUST THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANY HEARTBURN -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION
TO PASS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY MORE DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[1. Discuss and consider approval of TIPS Contract No. 220605 with Texas Chiller Systems for Preventative Maintenance Inspection Agreement for Public Works.]
PA TAKES CARE OF THE REGULAR AGENDA.IN LIGHT OF -- THERE IS A BUNCH OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THICK THEY ARE. DO YOU THINK YOU ARE PRETTY
>>JUDGE CANALES: START WITH THE TIPS CONTRACT INSPECTION
AGREEMENT FROM PUBLIC WORKS. >> YES, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS THE CONTRACT FOR THE -- FOR THE MAINTENANCE FOR THE FIRE FOR THE OLD JAIL TO THE NEW JAIL FOR THE CONTRACT.
AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO
>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND WHAT -- JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE AMOUNT?
>> I AM SORRY -- YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DO THAT JUST
FOR THE RECORD NOW. >> YES, MA'AM.
THE FIRST YEAR IS $16,494. THE SECOND YEAR IS $17,320.
AND THEN THE THIRD YEAR IS $49,522.
THAT IS THE TOTAL CONTRACT. >>JUDGE CANALES: TOTAL CONTRACT.
>> YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL OF THAT
COMES TO OUT OF YOUR BUDGET. >> YES.
[2. Discuss and consider approval of a Supplemental Agreement No. 1 between Nueces County and Govind Development, LLC for the Mechanical Engineering Services.]
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, NAY. THE NEXT ONE IS SUPPLEMENTAL WITH GOVIND DEVELOPMENT WITH MECHANICAL ENGINEERING SERVICES.
>> YES, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: AUGMENT TO
$80,000. >> YES, MA'AM, INCREASING $40,000 TO $80,000. AND THEN ALSO ASKING THE FUNDING FROM 2019 -- THE WE PUT ON JUDGE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY 2019 FUNDING LEFT.
2021 MAYBE, BUT NOT 2019. I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
BUT DID YOU CHECK WITH TERESA? >> YES, I DID.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THE YEAR?
>> I MIGHT BE. >>JUDGE CANALES: MIGHT BE '21
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INSTEAD OF '19. >> YOU DON'T HAVE IT WITH YOU?
>> I THINK 2020 -- >> I THINK IT IS 2021 ALLOCATED.
>> SORRY. >>JUDGE CANALES: 2021 MAKES
SENSE. >> YES, SORRY ABOUT THAT, JUDGE.
SO THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD THIS DONE, I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I FEEL LIKE I GOT TRICKED. WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THIS WORK.
WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS WAS THAT YOU HAVE AN OPEN POSITION FOR A M.E. IT IS STUFF TO FIND, AS THEY SAY FOLKS RIGHT NOW AND GREAT TO HAVE SOMEBODY INTERNAL AND GREAT TO GIVE SOMEBODY A JOB. I THOUGHT THIS WAS TO GIVE YOU EXTRA HANDS IN WHAT I CALL THE M.E. WORLD.
AND WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE WAS A -- WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY GO AND REVIEW -- BY THE WATERY IS A WILL GIVE YOU THE CONFIRMATION ON THE '21. AND WE WILL GET THE FUNDING.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE PUT ANOTHER NONRECORD ENGINEER -- OR ENGINEER OF RECORD IN THE MIX. WHAT IS YOUR INTENT HERE YOUR INTENT TO REVIEW. SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING IN. I NEW AT IT WAS A AND IT BECAME
SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >> WE PRESENTED ANY PROJECTS ONGOING THAT WE NEED A MECHANICAL OR ELECTRICAL ENGINEER THAT WE HAVE THEIR ASSISTANCE TO HELP US OUT.
MAY BE THE ADA PROJECT OR THE BOILER PROJECT OR OTHER PROJECTS GOING ON THAT WILL INVOLVE MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL.
PRETTY MUCH AN OVEROVER SAME THING IF I HAD ONE ON STAFF.
I HAVE AN ISSUE OF BRINGING SOMEBODY IN WITHOUT GIVING THEM THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROJECT. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE AN ENGINEER OF RECORD AND A GENERAL CONTRACTOR WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROJECT. AND THEN YOU HAVE A PROGRAM MANAGER BECAUSE WE ARE DOING MULTIPLE PROJECTS AND YOU BRING IN THIS OTHER PERSON. IF YOU ARE A REVIEWER OF THE PROJECT THAT IS WONDERFUL, BUT A REVIEWER HAS TO BE A CERTAIN SCOPE OF WORK THAT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO REVIEW THE WORK AND WE DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE JUST EXPERIENCED WHERE YOU SAY, HEY, I DON'T HAVE THAT TEST OR HEY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AND I NEED TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT. BUT WHAT I THOUGHT I SAW WAS A SUPPLEMENTAL WHICH CHANGES THE 40 TO 80.
AND IT IS THE SAME CONTRACT. AND THAT CONTRACT IS JUST KIND OF -- WHAT I WILL CALL A CATCH-ALL FOR M.E.
AND USING IT VERY SPECIFICALLY AND FOCUSED.
CAN YOU HELP -- >> I THINK RIGHT NOW AS I MENTIONED, JUDGE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON REGARDING MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL.
AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE ADA THAT I NEED TO HAVE THEM GO TAKE A LOOK AT OR ANY OTHER PROJECTS AT THE CALDERON TO LOOK AT, BUT THAT IS ALMOST ALREADY COMPLETE. THAT WOULD BE SOMEBODY --
SOMEBODY FROM MY STAFF THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST AN
EXTENSION OF YOU. >> YES, MA'AM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. I AM JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT -- I WOULD THINK THAT IF THAT IS EXACTLY HOW YOU INTENDED ARE IT,
THAT IS A GREAT THING. >> THAT IS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT HAPPENED IS HE GOT INSERTED IN A WAY THAT WAS VERY -- THAT WAS NOT -- NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK, SO MAYBE YOU NEED TO CHANGE THAT SCOPE OF WORK.
SO IF EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT YOU ARE BRINGING SOMEBODY IN ON STAFF TO REVIEW THE WORK. DIFFERENT THAN SOMEONE IS HERE TO SAY I WILL BE YOUR EYES AND EARS.
THAT IS THE PHRASEOLOGY YOU USED.
AND I SAID, GREAT, SOMEBODY EXTRA FROM YOUR OFFICE.
BUT IT BECAME MORE THAN THAT. IT BECAME, HEY, HERE IS MY LICENSE AND I AM GOING TO REVIEW THIS.
BUT I HAVEN'T TOLD ANYBODY I AM GOING TO REVIEW IT.
THEREFORE, NOBODY GAVE HIM ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE NEEDED AND HE MADE CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS, CREATED A REPORT THAT CREATED QUITE FRANKLY A LOT OF CONCERN. ALL I AM SAYING TO YOU IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT HIM FOR, JUST SAY IT SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING. BUT FOR THE RECORD, THAT IS REDUNDANCY AND SPENDING $80,000 IN A WAY THAT IS NOT HELPING YOU BE EYES AND EARSES FOR EVERYTHING IN 111 COUNTY
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BUILDINGS AND BASICALLY TO SOMEHOW FOCUS ON SOME AREAS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ENGINEERS OF RECORD.IT IS CONFUSE THE SCHOSH WORK. >> JUDGE, IT IS BEING USED FOR ANY AND ALL PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY.
I KNOW THESE ARE MAJOR PROJECTS. AND JUST LIKE WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY ON STAFF, THEY WOULD BE CONCENTRATED ON THE MAJOR
PROJECTS. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER
ONE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO
MOVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WASN'T THERE A MOTION.
[3. Discuss and consider approval of the 2022 Nueces County Substantial Damage Plan & Damage Assessment Packet; approval contingent County Attorney’s office review.]
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NO. AND DAMAGE ASSESSMENT PACKAGE.
APPROVED PURSUANT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S VIEW.
THIS IS AS DONE NORMALLY EVERY YEAR.
SORRY, TERESA WANTS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT FUNDING.
TERESA, THAT FUNDING IS $40,000 AND YOU WANT TO ADDRESS IT FOR THE RECORD. MY BAD.
I FORGET YOU HAD YOUR HANDS UP. >> EXCUSE ME.
I THE FISCAL IMPACT. THE ORIGINAL FUNDING SOURCE CAME FROM THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND, THE $40,000.
SO THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE $40,048 FROM UNALLOCATED 2019 FUNDS AND THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FROM REALLOCATION OF SOME OF THE PROGRAM MANAGERS DOLLARS.
A NEW PROJECT WILL HAVE TO BE CREATED FOR THE $40,000 IF APPR APPROVED.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WILL TAKE UNALABAMA KATED FROM 19 AND USE THAT. -- USE UNALLOCATED FROM 19 AND USE THAT. AND ALL THE OTHER ONES.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE REALLOCATION FROM PROGRAM
FUNDS THAT WENT UNALLOCATED. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOT IT.
WE HAVE THAT STRAIGHT FOR THE RECORD.
THANK YOU ARE, TERESA, FOR GIVING US THAT BACKGROUND.
GOING TO SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE AND DAMAGE ASSESSMENT PACK DAMAGE.
YOU WERE SAYING. >> YES, MA'AM AND COMMISSIONERS, PART OF THE AUDIT THEY DID IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND WE NEED IT COMPLETED BY DECEMBER 2. SO WE NEED TO RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO APPROVE IT CONSISTENT -- WELL, CON STING GENT THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY APPROVES IT IN THE WORDING AND THE DOCUMENT ITSELF. A RESOLUTION REQUESTED BY FEMA, AND I KNOW THAT DOCUMENT IS NOT ATTACHED, BUT I AM REQUESTING IF THAT RESOLUTION CAN ALSO BE APPROVED BY -- BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SO THAT WAY WE CAN SUBMIT THE DOCUMENT BEFORE DECEMBER 5, I THINK THAT IS WHAT THEY GAVE US THE EXTENSION ON.
A DOCUMENT THEY ARE REQUESTING BY DECEMBER 5.
>> WE WILL ASK THAT IF PART OF THE VOTE BE TO AUTHORIZE COUNTY JUDGE OR REPRESENTATIVE TO SIGN A RESOLUTION ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO
REVIEW IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT.
OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO
MOVED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE MOTION IS MADE AND SECONDED.
AND SUBJECT TO THE -- THE INCLUDING THE -- LANGUAGE INCLUDING THE AUTHORIZATION TO SIGN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OKAY. THEN SCOTT CROSS, YOU HAVE GOT ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR LIVING SHORELINE PROJECT.
A RFQ, FROM THE GLO. >> CAN I REQUEST ONE ITEM SINCE OUR LAST ITEM IN HUMAN RESOURCES.
>>JUDGE CANALES: HUMAN RESOURCES?
>> I HAVE YOLANDA HERE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT NUMBER IS
>>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD. SORRY ABOUT THAT, GUYS, SCOTT AND MICHAEL. WE WILL BE RIGHT WITH YOU.
>> THUN ITEM NUMBER 1, ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW WE INCLUDED THAT IN OOUR PAST BUDGET FOR REQUEST AND REMOVING THE CLERK AND INCREASING THE PAY GROUP FROM 20 TO 22 FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND WE ARE
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REQUESTING THAT FROM COURT. THERE WILL BE A SAVINGS IN COST BY DELETING THE CLERK. AND ALSO INCREASING THE PAY GROUP FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT.>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
>> WE HAVE A ENVIRONMENTAL PAID OUT OF ARPA FUND AND HAS TO BE
INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL. >>JUDGE CANALES: SORRY, WE CAN'T
DO ANYTHING ARPA UNTIL JANUARY. >> WE CAN'T DO DIFFERENT PAY
GROUPS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. >> NOT ARPA FUNDED.
THESE TWO -- >> ARPA FUNDS THAT WE CREATED -- THAT WERE CREATED BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
>> THE THIRD ONE IS ARPA FUND. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE
THIRD ONE. >> THEY ALL HAVE TO BE THE SAME.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY ALL HAVE TO BE THE SAME TO FULFILL THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU CHANGE TWO, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THREE IF THEY ARE CLASSIFIED THE SAME.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE ALL OF THEM UP TO 2022.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YOU STILL HAVE A $40,000 SAVINGS?
>> YES, SIR, WE HAVE A $40,000 SAVI
SAVINGS. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO CHANGE ALL
THREE TO 22, WHAT WOULD IT BE? >> WE WILL JUST TABLE IT, JUDGE.
WE WILL BRING IT BACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: HANG ON.
MAYBE WE CAN WORK IT OUT. DON'T PANIC.
JUST THINK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND.
YOU HAVE A $40,000 SAVINGS. >> YES, MA'AM, WE DO.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS AFTER THE -- SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS -- AND MAYBE THIS IS SUITED FOR DALE.
SO THE CLERK -- BY GETTING RIGHT OF THE CLERK, YOU CAN TAKE THE FIRST TWO AND WON'T EVEN IMPACT FUTURE BUDGETS AS LONG AS THAT CLERK NEVER COMES BACK. THE THIRD ONE THAT WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THIS YEAR -- THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING.
DOES THE CLERK SAVINGS HELP ALL THREE FOR FUTURE BUDGETS?
>> I THINK JUST FOR THE TWO. >> YOUR HONOR, ON THIS AGENDA ITEM I DON'T SEE REMOVING THE CLERK BUT INCREASING THE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS. I DON'T SEE REMOVING THE CLERK
IN THIS AGENDA ITEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: WILL HAVE TO DO
THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY. >> WE WILL BRING IT BACK.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WILL CLEAN IT FOR DECEMBER 7.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL DECEMBER 7.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[1. Discuss and consider conditional selection for RFQ No. 3203-22 Engineering Services for Packery Channel Living Shoreline Project.]
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MICHAEL AND SCOTT, WE HAVE GOT AN RFQ FOR THIS GREAT GRANT THAT WE GOT TO ESTABLISH A CHANNEL LIVING SHORELINE AT PACKER CHANNEL NATURE PARK.THIS IS ACTUALLY GETTING THE WORK ACCOMPLISHED, RIGHT.
>> YES, WE PUBLISHED THE RFQ. WE HAD A OPENING ON -- SELECTION -- I ALREADY PASSED OUT TO YOU GUYS THE SCORING THAT WENT WITH THAT. IT HAS RED LETTERS ON THE TOP OF IT. IF YOU SAW THAT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I DID. >> I PUT IT ON THAT SIDE OF THE COUNTER AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO MOVE THAT WAY.
>> IF HE NEEDS AN EXTRA ONE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DID IT
GET STUCK SOMEWHERE? >> I HAVE GIVE YOU THIS BACK.
>> TO YOU NEED IT? >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DO YOU
>> SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND SCOTT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE EVALUATION PROCESS OR ABOUT THE PROJECT IN GENERAL IF YOU NEED INFORMATION ON THAT.
>> SCOTT, YOU GUYS ARE HANDLING THE GRAND ADMIN PIECE OF IT.
>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU FOR
THAT. >> THE FUNDING SOURCE IS THE GLO GRANT. AND WHAT IS THE --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE CAN'T REVEAL THE COST?
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>> WE DON'T KNOW THE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE RFQ.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO PASS.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[2. Discuss and consider approval of agreement with S & J Fence Co. to remove and replace a fence for Keach Family Library.]
NEXT MICHAEL, THE NEXT ONE YOU GOT IS A SNG FENCE COMPANY TO REPLACE A FENCE FOR KEACH LIBRARY.JUST THE THE AGREEMENT ITSELF. >> RIGHT, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD NORMALLY BRING IT TO YOU FOR THE COST, $11,726.
AIDEE IS HAVING A FENCE DONE IN HER AREA.
AND THE CONTRACTOR -- THIS IS WHY IT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU.
[3. Discuss and consider conditional selection for IFB 3195-22 Personnel Services. ]
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED.
>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. NOW THERE IS A SELECTION FOR AN IFB FOR PERSONAL SERVICES, 315-22 FOR THE RECORD.
>> WE RECEIVED SEVEN BIDS. A LOW BID ITEM.
JUST FOR THE COURT'S INFORMATION, WE INCLUDED THE SUPPLEMENTAL CONDITIONS OF PART COMPLIANCE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING.
SHOULD IN THE FUTURE THAT THE TEMPORARY SERVICES BE UTILIZED TO HIRE SOMEONE TO RESPOND IN A FUTURE DISASTER EVENT, THESE VENDORS WOULD HAVE MET. AND WILL BE MET FOR REIMBURSEMENT. WE WOULD QUALIFY NOR ANY STIPULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE. THE AWARD -- THE CONDITIONAL SELECTION IS FOR LANCE SOFT, INC., LOWEST 3% SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW -- YOU CAN SEE ACROSS THE BOARD A VERY LOW OFFER.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM HR WAS THAT OUTSIDE PANDEMIC.
THIS IS A CONTRACT WITH VERY LOW VOLUME AND RARE OCCASIONS THAT WE UTILIZE TEMPORARY IN THE COUNTIES.
AND WE WILL HAVE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE EVEN NEED TO BE BIDDING THIS OUT BECAUSE THE DOLLAR VOLUME GENERALLY IS NOT ENOUGH TO GET IN HERE.
WELL BELOW $50,000. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOVE
APPROVAL, JUDGE. >> WE WILL BE COMING BACK AND APPROVING THE CONTRACT AT A LATER DATE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OF COURSE, THE GREATEST THING HERE WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT LANGUAGE BASED ON OUR FEMA LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE IT IS IN HERE IN CASE, GOD FORBID, THERE WOULD BE A NECESSITY.
>> KARA, YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY. I DROPPED IT OFF EARLIER.
>>JUDGE CANALES: MAYBE STUCK IN H
HERE. >> YEAH, I DROPPED IT OFF EARLIER. DO YOU HAVE IT?
THAT'S IT. >> YOU ARE ON ITEM -- YOU ARE ON
3. >> THE ITEM THAT IS FOR THAT IS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. IT HAS THE BID PRICES THERE IS.
>> NOTHING ELSE? >> NOTHING ELSE.
[4. Discuss and consider RFQ No. 3209-22 Nueces County Robstown Area Neighborhood Development Project.]
>>JUDGE CANALES: NEXT ONE NUECES COUNTY ROBS TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
>> SO ON THIS PROJECT, THIS IS A -- WE HAD NO BIDS WERE RECEIVED THE COUNTY IS RECOMMENDING TO REJECT ALL BIDS.
PER THE LAW TO CLOSE THIS OUT. I HAVE TO RECOMMEND WHEN WE DON'T GET BIDS, I HAVE TO RECOMMEND TO COURT TO RECOMMEND
REJECTING ALL BIDS. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: MOTION TO -- SORRY, TO REJECT ALL BIDS. I WAS GOING TO SAY RECOMMEND ALL
BIDS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND,
COMMISSIONER. >>JUDGE CANALES: THERE IS A MOTION. AND A SECOND.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: SECOND WAS
[5. Discuss and consider rejecting all bids for IFB No. 3205-22 Sale of 1702 Amber, Flour Bluff Gardens.]
CHESNEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON IFB 320522, THE SALE OF FLOWER BLUFF GARDENS -- A LOCATION, 1702AMBER -- >> A RESIDENTIAL PLOT OF LAND THAT A CONSTITUENT HAD REQUESTED THE ABILITY TO BID ON THIS PROJECT. SO WE PUT OUT A PROJECT AND YOU HAVE AN APPRAISAL DONE. APPRAISAL AT $5,000.
WE RECEIVED OWNED ONE BIDDER AND THAT BIDDER VOTED BELOW THE BID AMOUNT AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REJECT ALL BIDS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN WE GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY IF YOU GIVE US $35,000 WHICH IS APPRAISAL, WE WILL TAKE IT.
IS THAT ALLOWED? ONLY ONE BIDDER.
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>> RIGHT WE CAN HOLD HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
AND I CAN COME BACK AND VISIT WITH THE PERSON WHO BID --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IS THAT ALLOWED TO DO.
>> I WILL CHECK WITH JENNY TO MAKE SURE I AM NOT VIOLATING
ANYTHING HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK
BEFORE WE REJECT. >>THE ONLY OTHER OPTION TO REBIDS AND AUTHORIZE ME TO REBID.
WE DID THAT WITH ALISTAR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A LOT OF WORK FOR A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
>> I WILL WORK WITH JENNY TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION.
I ASK THAT WE TABLE THIS FOR NOW AND COME BACK ON THE 7TH.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL DECEMBER 7.
[6. Discuss and consider conditional selection for IFB No. 3217-22 Uniform Rentals, Floor Mats, Shop Towels, Linens, and Scrubs.]
>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND SECOND. THEN THE SELECTION OF IFB 3217 FOR RENTALS, SHOP MATS, LINENS AND SCRUBS.
>> THIS ONE WE RECEIVED ONLY ONE BID.
OUR CURRENT PROVIDER UNI FIRST. EXPENSE BY THE USER BUDGET FUNDS. THE CURRENT CONTRACT ON 12 14RSH 12. REPRESENT UNI FIRST TO BE THE
ONLY BIDDER AND LOW BIDDER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO
MOVED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECONDS. TRY COME BACK BY 12/7 AND BRING
[7. Discuss and consider rejecting all bids for IFB No. 3212-22 Water Pumps with Trailers, Tractor Mowers and Hydro-Vac Truck. ]
YOU THE CONTRACT AHEAD OF EXPIRATION.>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AND NOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE SADLY TO REJECT ALL BIDS FOR WATER PUMPS FOR TRAILERS, TRACTOR MOWERS AND HYDRO VAC TRUCK.
ON THIS ONE, WE -- THIS IS THE THIRD TIME, Y'ALL, THAT WE TRIED TO GET THIS EQUIPMENT FOR JUAN ON THE ARPA FUNDING.
AND THE -- THE REMAINING ITEMS. WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID FOR ONE OF THE ITEMS. THE BURN BIDDER WAS NONRESPONSIVE. I GAVE IT TO JUAN'S OFFICE AND WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSED AND DIDN'T MEET THE SPECIFICATION THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR AND THE BID IS CONSIDERED NONRESPONSIVE. SINCE I HAVE NO RESPONSIVE BIDS AND THIS IS THE THIRD TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT I HAVE LISTED IN THE DISCUSSION WHICH IS TO RECOMMEND TO REJECT ALL BIDS AND ALL RISE THE PURCHASING FOR 262.0245 AND THE ADOPTED PROCEDURES FOR A PURCHASE OF AN ITEM.
THIS OCCURRED ONCE BEFORE WHEN WE DID THE PARK PROJECT.
PARK BUILDING PROJECT IN MAKO. WE HAD TO CREATE ANOTHER COMPETITION. SO I WILL BE FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCESSES IN THE POLICY AND WORKING WITH JUAN'S OFFICE TO OBTAIN INDIVIDUAL PRICE QUOTES FOR THESE ITEMS AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO COURT, PROVIDED EGG ABLE TO FIND QUOTES FOR THESE ITEMS. I BELIEVE THAT HE PROBABLY THIS THOSE QUOTES THROUGH DAY ONE AND WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS. WE ARE TO THAT POINT BACK AGAIN TO UTILIZE THE QUOTES. WE WOULD HAVE MET THE ENVIRONMENTS OF ARPA BY OFFERING TO OFF TO ALL THE SMALL WOMEN,
MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TWO MOTIONS. ONE FOR THIS AND ONE TO GO WITH
THE APPROVAL OR WHAT? >> YEAH, ONE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I NEED A MOTION TO REJECT THE BIDS FIRST.
SO I WILL MAKE MOTION TO REJECT THE BIDS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE REJECTION OF THE BIDS.
HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. >> THE SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE
PURCHASING AGENT TO SEEK QUOTES. >> SO MOVED.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OKAY.
YOU ARE DONE, MICHAEL. >> YES.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANKS TO MY ASSISTANT PURCHASING AGENT FOR BIDS AND CONTRACTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE COURT MET HER, BUT LULU RIVERA WORKED HARD AND SHE HAD TRAINING LAST WEEK AND A HEAVY LIFT.
25 ITEMS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK YOURS IS FAIRLY QUICK
[1. Approve Budget Change Order No. 2 for Fiscal Year 2022-2023.]
TOO. YOU HAVE YOU A BUDGET CHANGEORDER NUMBER TWO. >> THE FIRST ONE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 2 FOR 2022-'23. ON THE FRONT PAGE.
WHEN WE RECEIVED THE BILLING STATEMENTS FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AND SMALL ADJUSTMENT AND TO COVER THE JAIL. THEY HAVE GOT ALMOST 70 TO 80.
AND BALANCES AND REDUCE THE SALARY TO COVER THE COST.
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AND THAT'S WHY IT IS SO LARGE AND SMALL ISSUES.PAGE TWO. AND AND COVER COSTS AT THE FAIRGROUND THAT ARE NEEDED. FUNDS ARE THERE FOR THE TRANSFER. AND SUBMITTED CHANGE ORDER
NUMBER TWO YOUR APPROVAL. >> MOTION.
>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND. COMMISSIONER MAREZ, KARA THAT MOVED. AND IS SECOND.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: SECOND BY GONZALEZ. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>>JUDGE CANALES: TELL ME AGAIN ON THE SHERIFFD.
>> LIKE THEY JUST SAID, BRINGING AN OUTSIDE FIRM -- TEMPORARY SERVICES TO BRING IN. BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO IT ANY VIOLATION OF THE AGREEMENT TO GET TEMPORARIES IN A HIGHER VALUE THAN THE REGULAR EMPLOYEES TO -- THE VACANCIES THAT THEY HAVE WHERE THEY ARE BRINGING SOME OUTSIDE PEOPLE IN TO COVER
THE VACANCIES. >>JUDGE CANALES: VACANCIES ARE DEPUTIES. HOW ARE WE HIRING -- SHERIFF HOOPER, YOU ARE ON THE LINE. WHO ARE YOU HIRING.
HOW DO YOU HIRE A TEMPORARY TO BE A DEPUTY? IN OTHER WORDS, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.
SEEMS LIKE A SOUND ONE, BUT THE VACANCIES ARE IN THE DEPUTIES, IN THE JAIL CORRECTIONAL FACILITY.
SO ARE WE BRINGING IN PEOPLE FROM AN OUTSIDE SOURCE.
>> RESERVE DEPUTIES OR RETIRED PEOPLE ARE ALREADY CERTIFIED.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT MAKES ME MORE SENSE.
GET MORE INFORMATION NEXT TIME FOR THAT.
ASK IS THE SHERIFF TO PROVIDE IT.
>> WE WILL. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WASN'T -- I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
>> PEOPLE COVERING IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR SECURITY THAT THEY ARE
AIDING WITH ADDITIONAL COST. >>JUDGE CANALES: PROBABLY TWICE
>>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN MY PACKET. I WILL GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT I SUPPOSE THERE IS NO CHOICE, BUT WILL THAT -- IT WILL HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE THEM RELIEVE. THIS IS HAPPENING TO RELIEVE THE -- TO RELIEVE THE -- THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPUTIES FROM WORK TOO MANY -- HOURS TERESA, HAS HER HAND UP.
>>THE BACK-UP TO THIS BUDGET CHANGE ORDER SAYS TO COVER THE COST OF SECURITY POSTED AT THE MAIN JAIL ENTRANCE.
SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS ABOUT, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE
BACK-UP NOTES. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THE JAIL. MAYBE WE HAD IT WRONG.
IT IS JUST SECURITY AT THE -- WELL, I WILL CALL THE SHERIFF AND ASK HIM AGAIN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. I WILL TAKE IT FOR FACE VALUE THAT IS WHAT IS LISTED IN THE AGENDA AND NOT WHAT WAS SAID
EARLIER. >> WHALE MENTION TO THE COURT, WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO COURT ON THE 7TH AND THE 14TH, WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT WILL BE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL LOCATION AT THE CONTRACT AND WE WORKED WITH
[2. Discuss and consider approving the Federal Equitable Sharing Agreement & Certification for Constable Pct. 3, Constable Pct. 5, District Attorney, and Sheriff Office.]
JENNY'S OFFICE ON THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOT IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE NEXT ONE IS A FEDERAL EQUITABLE SHARING AGREEMENT WITH CONSTABLE 3.
CONSTABLE 5, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. --
>> WITH THE AGREEMENT. AND SUBMIT ANY -- AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE RECEIVED AS WELL TO CONTINUE -- THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND GONE THROUGH THE REPORT. AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. AND WE SUBMIT THOSE FOR YOUR APPROVAL. AND WILLING TO IT BE -- SO
[3. Approve asset forfeiture report for FY 2022 for Nueces County Constable Precinct 1, Constable Precinct 2, Constable Precinct 3, Constable Precinct 4, Constable Precinct 5, District Attorney and the Sheriff's Office.]
MOVED. SECOND.>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OKAY, HOW ABOUT THE FORFEITURE OF THE REPORT. BASICALLY THE APPROVAL FOR FY '22 FOR CONSTABLE PRECINCTS 2, 3, 4 AND 5.
>> THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE STATE.
FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO REPORT THE FILINGS WE RECEIVE.
AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE CONSTABLES AS WELL AS THE
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SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND TORONTO'S OFFICE AND REVIEW THERE AND SUBMITTED TO US. AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MY OFFICE. AND THEY ARE WAITING FOR APPROVAL. TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WITH YOUR APPROVAL.>>JUDGE CANALES: GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE REVIEWED, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE SUCH FORFEITURE REPORTS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED.
>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OKAY.
[1. Discuss and consider creation of attorney and staff positions for Public Defender's Office pursuant to Texas Indigent Defense Commission grant.]
GREAT. WE HAVE GOT HUMAN RESOURCES LEFT AND THEN WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.BUT THE -- THE FIRST ONE IS THE CREATION OF ATTORNEY AND STAFF POSITIONS OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE.
PURSUANT TO THE TDIC GRANT AND OUR CHIEF PUBLIC DEFENDER HERE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOOD AFTERNOON.
>> AS YOU KNOW THE STATEMENT OF GRANT AWARD ACTUALLY SPECIFIED THE TYPE OF EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD BE COVERED.
AND ALL I HAD TO DO WAS PLUG THOSE IN TO THE PAY SCALES THAT THE COUNTY HAS IDENTIFIED I BELIEVE YOU WERE GIVEN A PRINTOUT THAT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE DID FOR ME THAT SHOWED YOU WE IDENTIFIED THE FIVE FELONY DEFENDERS RECOMMENDED BY TIDC AND THEN THREE MISDEMEANOR DEFENDERS, ONE INVESTIGATOR, ONE CASEWORKER THAT WORKS WITH THE SOCIAL WORKER AND AN OFFICE MANAGER AND TWO SUPPORT STAFFS WHICH WE ARE CALLING -- UNDER THE LEGAL SECRETARY TWO CATEGORY.
AND SALARIES PLUS BENEFITS ADD UP TO JUST UNDER THE BUDGET TO TDIC I UNDERSTAND WE NEED IF THERE IS SOME LONGEVITY AND STEP
PAYS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE HIRED. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
WELL, AT THIS POINT, ACTION COMMISSIONERS IS TO APPROVE THE CREATION AS MENTIONED AND AS BROUGHT FORTH BY THE CHIEF -- I WILL REMIND THE PUBLIC AND ALL OF YOU THESE ARE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS.
WE, OF COURSE, RUN THAT GRANT COMPETITIVELY AND NOW ARE SEEING THE FRUITS OF THAT GRANT BEING ACTED UPON BY THE CHIEF PUBLIC OFFENDER AND CREATING THE POSITIONS HE IS DEEMED NEEDED
AND APPROPRIATE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL BEEN THE BUDGET AND THE GRANT, ALL WE EXPECTED TO SEE.
>> THAT IS RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. SEPARATED THEM OUT.
AGED OUT THE COST OF THE FELONY OFFENDERS BASED ON WHAT FELONY PROSECUTORS ARE PAID. THEY SAID HIRE FIVE PEOPLE AT THIS AVERAGE. SO I SEPARATED IT TO GIVE -- GIVE ME SOME PEOPLE WITH MORE EXPERIENCE VERSUS LESS EXPERIENCE. I HAVE AN ASSISTANT CHIEF TO FELONY FIVE ISES WHAT THE DA'S OFFICE.
THREE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. ONE FELONY 6, ONE FELONY 3, AND THE MISDEMEANOR PROSECUTOR ALSO BE LESS EXPERIENCED -- NOT PROSECUTORS BUT DEFENDERS. LESS EXPERIENCED ATTORNEYS.
I DID THAT TO TRY TO STRETCH THE BUDGET TO THAT I COULD FIT WITHIN THE NUMBER THAT TIDC HAD AGAIN ME.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW DID THESE MATCH UP WITH THE LAWYERS AND ALL OUR OTHER OFFICES IN THE COUNTY.
OBVIOUSLY I WANT TO BE EQUAL, I GUESS, OR NOT HAVE THE DISPARITY WHERE THE OTHER OFFICERS SAID YOU DID THIS AND WE NEED FOR TO YOU DO THAT. YOU CHECKED THAT OUT.
ALL GOOD? >> YES, I HAVE STARTED LAST WEEK AND LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HR AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.
I WAS TRAINED TO BASICALLY STICK WITHIN THE SAME LEVELS -- THE SAME LEVELS AND THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, THEY ARE MISDEMEANOR 1 WILL BE LESS THAN A YEAR'S ATTORNEY.
MY MISDEMEANOR 1 PUBLIC DEFENDER IS THE SAME PAY SCALE AS THAT PERSON AND THE SAME LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE.
I DIDN'T CHANGE ANY EDUCATION OR EXPERIENCE.
THE ONLY THINGS I CHANGED WERE THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK AND THE KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITIES THAT WOULD BE LOOKED
FOR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PERFECT.
JUST REMIND THE PUBLIC AND THE COURT.
WE HAVE GOT TWO YEARS OF THIS IS COVERED 100% AND THEN WE HAVE TO
PITCH IN AND GOES 8 TO-- 80-60-. >> SIX YEARS WITH HELP AND YEAR
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7 THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE VERY FULLY RESPONSIBLE.>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY. TAKE A LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, GUYS BECAUSE WE WILL BE DEALING WITH THIS IN A FEW YEARS COST-WISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
YOU WILL BE DEALING WITH A BETTER COURT SYSTEM.
YOU WILL BE DEALING WITH SAVING LIVES.
YOU WILL BE DEALING WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DECOMPRESS A JAIL IN A WAY THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.
YOU WILL BE SAVING MONEY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHY WE
ALL VOTED FOR IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: 80-06-40 IS A GOOD SLIDING SCALE. LOOK FOR NEW GRANTS IMMEDIATELY.
DON'T WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO ANNOUNCE IT.
YOU HAVE OPIOID SETTLEMENT DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING DOWN.
AND IF IT IS NOT HAPPENING TODAY, IT IS HAPPENING TOMORROW.
THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A NEW ANNOUNCEMENT OF NEW SETTLEMENTS OF THE BIG PHARMA COMPANIES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED TODAY. I HEARD THAT WHEN TRAVELING YESTERDAY. WHAT I AM SAYING THAT THIS COUNTY NEEDS TO SET A -- INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING OF THE 80-60-40, RIGHT NOW START WORK ON A OPIOID GRANT TO THE BUCKET OF OPIOID DOLLARS THAT CAN COME TO OUR REGION.
THAT CAN BE THE 80-60-40 DOLLARS IMMEDIATELY.
THAT IS WHAT I WOULD DO. THE SECOND THING IS THE NEXT OPIOID. THE TRICKLE DOWN.
DEDICATED TO PUBLIC DEFENDERS. WORTH 1.6.
GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT DEDICATION.
WHAT BETTER USE OF DOLLARS COULD YOU HAVE.
I AM SURE A PERCENTAGE THAT YOU CAN START COLLECTING OF DATA OF HOW MANY OF THESE MENTALLY ILL PATIENTS HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISS ISSUES ASTRONOMICAL AND YOU HAVE TO THINK OF IT NOW XARZ TO THAT 80-60-40.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED SAME SIGN. APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THIS BUT WE TABLED -- YOU DID ON THE OTHER ITEM.
>> I DID SEE THAT. I AM LEARNING A LOT ON THAT TOO.
BUT I WILL BE VISITING WITH ALL OF YOU BEFORE THEN.
>>JUDGE CANALES: WONDERFUL TO BE BACK.
YES, MA'AM. >> WHO MADE THE MOTION AND THE SE SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK I MADE THE MOTION AND I DON'T KNOW WHO
SECONDED IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I MAY HAVE SECONDED. I DON'T KNOW.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE FOR OUR MEDICAL
[3. Discuss and consider continuance of temporary supplemental pay for interim Office Administrator currently performing Medical Examiner Coordinator and Office Administrator duties.]
EXAMINER. AND SO I AM GOING TO TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER. DR. FAGAN, I WILL TAKE THREE BEFORE TWO, BECAUSE THREE IS, AS THEY SAY, SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COURT HAS AWARENESS OF ALREADY.BUT I WILL READ IT OUTS. TO CONSIDER THE CONTINUANCE OF TEMPORARY SUPPLEMENTAL PAY FOR THE INTERIM OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR DUTIES.
THE GRIEVANCE BEING PUSHED TO FEBRUARY.
>> YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: DID WE NOT
SATISFY EVERYBODY THE LAST TIME. >> IT WAS FOR A CERTAIN TIME
FRAME UNTIL. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOT IT.
WE HAVE AT THAT TIME FRAME NOW. >> YES, MA'AM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE SOMEBODY OUT UNTIL FEBRUARY.
AND WE NEED TO DO THAT SUPPLEMENTAL PAY FOR THAT INTERIM. THAT IS WHY I MENTIONED EARLIER WITH THE INTERIM HR, WE WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME KIND OF THIS I THINK TO WITH OUR POLICIES AND DEPARTMENT OF LABOR.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I THINK LAST TIME WE EXTENDED INTO DECEMBER, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
AND -- I -- I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM EXTENDS IT UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED ON THIS ONE HERE.
BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT THE END OF JANUARY, THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY COMING IN FEBR
FEBRUARY. >>JUDGE CANALES: HER COURT CASE
IS NOT DONE UNTIL FEBRUARY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY
ARE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION -- >> ASKING FOR A CONCLUSION OF THE CIVIL SERVICE PROCEEDINGS AND ALSO AN ACTION ITEM ON THE
AGENDA THIS WEEK AS WELL. >>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT.
I WOULD RATHER IT BE LIKE THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS FEBRUARY, BUT LET'S JUST SAY IT CORRECTLY, UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF THE CIVIL SERVICE PROCEEDINGS. I THINK THAT IS A BETTER WAY TO SEE IT RATHER THAN TO TAKE A GUESS ON THE DATE.
I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WILL SECOND IT. JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
YOU HAVE MONIES TO DO THIS TOO, RIGHT?
>> YES, SIR. THIS POSITION HAS REMAINED VACANT. SO THIS IS WITHIN -- THERE WILL BE NO EXCESS BUDGET REQUIRED FOR THIS.
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>> SO I GUESS IF WE ARE GOING TO DO TO CIVIL SERVICE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: UNTIL THE CIVIL SERVICE PROCEEDINGS ARE
CONCLUDED. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL GIVE YOU UPDATES ALONG THE WAY. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT IT CONCLUDES A LOT SOONER THAN YOU ANTICIPATED.
I AM SURE THE COURT WILL BE FULLY INFORMED.
I HAVE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THEY ARE ALREADY THERE RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE ALREADY IN IT RIGHT NOW. IT IS JUST A CONTINUATION UNTIL PROCEEDINGS HAVE BEEN CONCLUDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY
[2. Discuss and consider allocation of funds, including any American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds, to provide for an earlier effective start date for a Deputy Medical Examiner.]
SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.NOW GO BACK TO TWO. WHICH REALLY GIVES US AN UPDATE.
AND DR. FAGAN, WELCOME, ON -- SOMETIMES DO YOU -- IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO TOO GOOD OF A JOB.
YOU HAVE DONE TOO GOOD OF A JOB ON RECRUITMENT, SO YOU BRING US TO AN OPPORTUNITY WHICH YOU DIDN'T HEAR EARLIER BUT WOULD BE PLEASED THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY READ THIS AND CAME IN AND PROVIDED PUBLIC COMMENT. AND TO PARAPHRASE, HE BELIEVES THAT THIS WILL AID HIS OFFICE IN THE FACT THAT IT WILL ALLOW FOR ACCREDITATION AND, THEREFORE, BOLSTER AND STRENGTHEN HIS ABILITY TO PROSECUTE CASES AND SEE THAT JUSTICE IS SERVED.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND HOW DID WE GET TO THIS MOMENT AND YOU ARE ASKING THE COURT FOR A PARTICULAR
ACTION. >> I HAVE IDENTIFIED A THIRD CANDIDATE FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER.
THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF MEDICAL EXAMINER ACCREDITATION.
JUST BASED ON THE CASE VOLUME THAT WE HAVE, THREE DOCTORS IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED TO DO THAT. GOING -- I HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO IS ALREADY TEXAS LICENSED AND HAS JUST PASSED HER FORENSICS PATHOLOGY BOARDS WHO IS AVAILABLE AS EARLY AS THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR. SO BACKING UP A BIT, MY ORIGINAL CONTRACT ARE HAD $300,000 THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE DR.
FERNANDEZ FUND AND ANOTHER -- ANOTHER $249,000 THAT WASSAL THE CAPED FOR THE TEMPORARY DOCTOR'S FUND BUDGETED AT $4800 FOR -- AND FOR ONE YEAR. SOME THERE WAS A IS YOU SEQUENT COMMISSIONERS COURT WHERE FERNANDEZ'S COUNTIES WAS ONLY EXTENDED UNTIL THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WAS SIX MONTHS THAT I WOULD STILL NEED COVERAGE. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BASICALLY -- FOR ME TO REPLACE THE COVERAGE THAT DR. FERNANDEZ
WILL NO LONGER BE PROVIDING. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DON'T REALLY FOLLOW YOU. I THINK BACK IN JULY YOU TALKED ABOUT HIRING A DOCTOR AND MAYBE JANUARY, CAN YOU STILL GO OUT THERE AND MAYBE RECRUIT IN JANUARY?
>> SO -- I'M HERE TODAY, I THOUGHT -- I THOUGHT I WOULD TABLE THIS UNTIL JANUARY, BECAUSE -- I AM TELLING YOU WHY, BECAUSE I ACCREDITATION. WE HAD TWO DOCTORS WITH ACCREDITATION. AND LOST IT -- LOST IT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE TOO. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IF DR.
FERNANDEZ A. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT HIM TO STAY LONGER THAN END OF THE YEAR --
>> NO, SIR, I AM NOT ASKING FOR THAT.
>> FERNANDEZ IS GONE ON DECEMBER 31?
>> THE SEND OF DECEMBER, DR. FERNANDEZ'S LAST DAY OF DOING CASES AT THE OFFICE. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, HE WAS COVERING INTO -- MY ORIGINAL CONTRACT HAD HIM COVERING TWO DAYS PER WEEK. AND THEN HE WAS ALLOCATED WHAT I AM TRYING TO COVER IS TWO DAY AS WEEK.
HE WILL NO LONGER BE DOING NEW CASES AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
I AM NOT ASKING FOR FURTHER EXTENSION FROM HIM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: IF I CAN SUMMARIZE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT DOES SAYS HE WILL BE THERE THROUGH
MARCH 20, 2023. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS TO CLOSE THE CASES. NOT TO ACTUALLY WORK ON ACTUAL
AUTOPSIES. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: BUT
STILL PAYING HIM. >> HE IS PAID BY THE HOUR BUT TO CLOSE THE CASES THAT HE HAS ALREADY DONE.
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HE WILL NOT BE DOING NEW CASES AFTER THAT POINT.>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: START CLOSING CASES NOW, YOU KNOW.
>> HE IS WORK ON CLOSING CASES. BUT THE -- THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF MEDICAL EXAMINERS STANDARDS ARE THAT WE HAVE UP TO 90 DAYS TO CLOSE THE CASE OUT AFTER THE AUTOPSY IS COMPLETE.
FOR A NUMBER OF CASES ARE, WE DO NEED TOX CALMING, HISTOLOGY, OR FURTHER STUDIES. WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING AT THE
DAY OF AUTOPSY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHEN DO YOU SEE THIS NEW DOCTOR BEING ACTUALLY READY FOR RECRUITMENT?
>> SHE IS AVAILABLE AS EARLY AS THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.
I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE HER -- TO BE FAIR, ASSUMING THE COURT WERE TO APPROVE THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE HER AT LEAST 60 DAYS SO SHE CAN CLOSE CASE AS THE HER CURRENT OFFICE.
AND ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE DOWN TO START AT THIS OF OFFICE.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WOULD BE FAIR ENOUGH TO SAY THAT MARCH
1 WOULD BE THE STARTING DATE? >> LIKELY BE AT THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY TO THE FIRST OF FEBRUARY IS LIKELY WHEN SHE WILL START
DOING CASES. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO IF WE -- IF
WE DID -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AM NOT FINISHED JUDGE. I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. YOU SAY 60 DAYS.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE COURT WERE TO APPROVE THIS, THEN 60 DAYS FROM WHEN I AM ABLE TO OFFER HER THE JOB.
IF THE COURT APPROVED IT -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DECEMBER AND JANUARY. AND WILL BE FEBRUARY.
>> LATE JANUARY TO EARLY FEBRUARY.
FROM WHEN APPROVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: 60 DAYS FROM
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: 60 DAYS ON DECEMBER 1.
I AM JUST SAYING -- I AM JUST -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- TALKING OF $300,000. $300,000 PLUS -- THE DIFFERENCE
WILL BE $300 -- >> SORRY, SIR, CAN YOU REPEAT.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE SINCE IS $360,000 FOR THE NEW
DOCTOR? >> THE NEW DOCTOR, HER ANNUAL SALARY IS ITS $335,000. WE HAVE IT CURRENTLY ARPA FUNDED FOR THE FIRST OF JULY THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE FISCAL
YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF DO YOU IT BEFORE THE FIRST OF JULY?
>> WHAT I AM WILLING TO USE AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS UP FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AS WELL, WE CAN USE THE REMAINDER OF THE FERNANDEZ FUND PLUS THE TEMPORARY DOCTOR COVERAGE TO -- TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. VERSUS -- I MEAN, SINCE A PORTION IS COVERED BY ARPA, I DON'T KNOW THE RULES REQUIRE THAT THE WHOLE PERIOD HAS TO BE COVERED BY ARPA, BECAUSE I AM
SORRY, I DON'T. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE SET A DATE FOR MARCH OR MARCH, APRIL, MAY -- TALKING ABOUT MAYBE FIVE MONTHS LESS -- FIVE MONTHS THAT WE CAN -- BE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FINANCES, RIGHT. I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: TALKING FEBRUARY, NOT MARCH.
>> I KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING. BUT UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING.
THAT I WILL SAY MARCH THAT WE CAN START WITH A NEW DOCTOR IF SHE IS READY. MAYBE SHE WON'T BE READY, I DON'T KNOW, HE OR SHE, WHATEVER IT IS.
>> THIS DOCTOR IS A SHE. SO YOU ARE STATING THAT THE -- JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD PREFER THAT THE EARLY START DATE WITH THE FIRST OF MARCH OR
>> JUST SO SI UNDERSTAND. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AM JUST SAYING HOW MANY MONTHS BETWEEN MARCH AND START HER IN JUNE AND JULY. SO IF YOU GOT MONEY TO SAY -- WE ARE GOING TO START HER AND PAY FOR IT.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT. >> SO WE CAN -- MY CONTRACT HAD THE $300,000 ALLOCATED FOR DR. FERNANDEZ AND THEN $249,000 FOR THE TEMPORARY DOCTORS. THE TEMPORARY DOCTORS, I ONLY
USED $7400 TO THAT FUND TO DATE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: 300,000 YOU CAN PROBABLY USE THAT FOR THE EARLY MONTHS.
>> I CAN USE A PORTION OF IT. I MEAN A PORTION I HAVE TO HAVE USE TO PAY DR. FERNANDEZ. BUT A PORTION THAT, YES, I COULD
USE FOR HER. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT IS
THE PORTION YOU ARE LOOKING AT? >> SO IF YOU -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE MATERIAL THAT WE POSTED. FOR DR. FERNANDEZ WHAT WE WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO PAY HIM THROUGH THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR IS $117,000. WHAT HE HAS TOLD US THAT FOR WHAT HE IS ANTICIPATING FOR THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR IS THREE AND
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A HALF DAYS PER MONTH. SO APPROXIMATELY $58,500.>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SORRY. >> ADDING THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND SUBTRACTING FROM $300,000. AND FOR THE -- THE TEMPORARY DOCTOR FUND $249,000. I HAVE ONLY SPENT $7400 OF THAT
TO DATE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK HE IS ASKING THE DELTA. YOU CAN WORK IT OUT AND IT IS A GUESSTIMATE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT YOU CAN GET CLOSE. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SUMMARIZE WHICH IS THAT YOU HAVE RECRUITED A GREAT CANDIDATE WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO START IN FIB, AT LEAST, WHETHER IT IS LAST WEEK OF JANUARY. LET'S CALL IT FEBRUARY 1.
AND THIS WILL LEAD US FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, MAY, JUNE, FIVE MONTHS WE HAVE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO SEE -- THE ORIGINAL PLAN WITH AS TO GET THAT PERSON STARTED IN JULY, RIGHT, BUT YOU HAD EXCELLENT RECRUITMENT.
AND YOU FOUND SOMEBODY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL COST US SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 250,000 AND 300,000 IF YOU DEDUCT THE TEMPORARIES,
>>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU DEDUCT SOME OF FERNANDEZ'S.
>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS BEING SUPER CONSERVATIVE. PLAYING AROUND FOR 25% OF THE OVERALL BUDGET DOING ATTRIBUTED TO IT THE TEMPORARY AND DR.
FERNANDEZ. AND WHAT YOU GET IN RETURN IS IN FEBRUARY, A FULLY ACCREDITED WITH THE AMOUNT OF DECIDE YENTS THAT WE SEE, YOU NEED PERIOD, THREE.
END OF DISCUSSION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NOT REALLY. WE DON'T NEED THREE.
WE HAD THREE. >>JUDGE CANALES: IN ORDER TO BE ACCREDITED IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW MANY BODIES WE AUTOPSY EVERY YEAR. MR. FAGAN, CAN YOU CONFIRM WE NEED THREE IN ORDER TO DO -- TO GET THE ACCREDITATION WE NEED
FOR 750-PLUS BODIES. >> LAST YEAR, WE DID A TOTAL OF 844 POSTMORTEM EXAMS. NOT ALL OF THOSE WERE FULL AUTOPSIES. MY PREDECESSOR DID NOT AUTOPSY THE MAJORITY OF CASES INCLUDING THE ONE THAT THE NAMED STANDARDS SAID SHOULD GET A FULL AUTOPSY. WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE STANDARDS FOR AUTOPSIES WHICH INCLUDE AUTOPSYING DRUG OVERDOSE CASE THAT WERE NOT DONE PREVIOUSLY BY MY PREDECESSORS.
IT INCLUDES THE FOUR CASES, YOU KNOW, OF BURN VICTIMS. I MEAN THOSE DECOMPOSED. THOSE WHO ARE UNIDENTIFIED.
THAT THOSE NEED FULL AUTOPSIES. SO -- SO BASED ON -- SO WE ARE -- HAVE CHANGED OUR PRACTICES BASED ON WHAT THE NAME -- STANDARDS -- WHAT NAME RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR ACCREDITATION, WHICH DOES REQUIRE MORE AUTOPSIES.
SO WITH 844 CASES, DIVIDE -- DIVIDE BY THREE, WE WOULD STILL BE UNDER THE # 25 MAXIMUM FOR AUTOPSIES OR EQUIVALENTS PER DOCTOR. 25 MAXIMUM FOR AUTOPSIES OR EQUIVALENTS PER DOCTOR. 25 MAXIMUM FOR AUTOPSIES OR EQUIVALENTS PER DOCTOR. 325 MAXIMUM FOR AUTOPSIES OR EQUIVALENTS PER DOC DOCTOR.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU NEED THREE. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY -- I WILL GO BACK TO THE DOLLARS AND CENTS.
ALL BOILS DOWN. I AM TRYING TO GET THE COURT TO JUST HAVE A QUESTION THAT THEY CAN ANSWER.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE NEEDING -- YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO THE COURT THAT YOU HAVE SOMEBODY GREAT, AND THAT WILL HELP GET US ACCREDITED AND THE COST TO GETTING THEM HERE EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER IS $300,000 MORE OR LESS.
AND MY COMMENT IS THAT -- ACTUALLY I WILL LET COMMISSIONER CHESNEY GO AHEAD. I WILL HOLD THE COMMENTS.
I WILL STICK TO THE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE THE COMMENTS MIGHT BE CHANGING.
GO AHEAD. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU CAN'T GET ACCREDITED WITH TWO DOCTORS? BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ACCREDITED IN THE PAST WITH TWO DOCTORS.
>> SO AS I SAID, SIR, MY PREDECESSORS DIDN'T AUTOPSY CASES THAT THE NAME STANDARDS WHICH HAVE BEEN UPDATED OVER THE YEARS HAVE STATE THAT THEY NEED FULL AUTOPSIES.
SO -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TWO DOCTORS -- A MEDICAL FACILITY HAVE TWO DOCTORS, MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE HAVE TWO DOCTORS.
CAN THEY GET ACCREDITED WITH TWO DOCTORS.
WHAT THE REPRESENTATION TO ME HERE TODAY WITH HE TO HAVE THREE DOCTOR IT IS WE CAN'T GET ACCREDITED.
THAT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR --
>> SPEAK UP GET ACCREDITED FOR TWO DOCTORS BUT ONLY IF THE CASE
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VOLUME IS UNDER WHICH THE NAME. >> WHICH IS 325 PER THE ABSOLUT THERE ARE WHAT IS CALLED PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 DEFICIENCIES.
PHASE 2 IS AN AUTOMATIC. YOU SFAL ACCREDITATION.
PHASE ONE, SO MANY PHASE ONES UNTIL YOU FAIL.
BUT MORE THAN 250 CASES IS A PHASE 1 DEFICIENCY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE ANSWER IS YOU CAN GET ACCREDITED WITH TWO DOCTORS AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO OVER THE MAXIMUM NUMBER PER DOCTOR. MY NEXT QUESTION RELATES TO HOW
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MANY WERE OUT OF COUNTY EXAMINATIONS.
>> OUT OF COUNTY EXAMINATIONS DO AVERAGE -- THEY AVERAGE ABOUT 150 PER YEAR. LAST YEAR WAS HIGHER BECAUSE WE WERE ALSO DOING HIED CASES SO A HIGHER THAN AVERAGE FOR LAST YEAR. SO THIS YEAR I BELIEVE TO DATE WE HAVE 130 CASES BECAUSE WE HAD A DROP DUE TO EVENTS EARLIER
THIS YEAR WE HAD COUNTIES. >> OUT OF THELE /* 8 WILL A IS 50 WERE OUT OF COUNTY --
>> FOR 2021, OUT OF COUNTY CASES TOTAL -- OUT OF COUNTY WAS 225.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 225 OUT OF 844.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF I AM DOING MY MATH -- LET ME DO THIS -- SO 619. SO TWO DOCTORS, IF WE DIDN'T DO ANY OUT OF COUNTIES WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO. WE COULD GET ACCREDITED IF WE DIDN'T DO ANY OUT OF COUNTIES WITH TWO DOCTORS.
I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT FOR THE LONG TERM, BUT I AM SUGGESTING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, BASED ON YOUR NUMBERS.
I KNOW YOU DON'T PROBABLY LIKE THE ANSWER OF THAT ONE, BUT -- WE DON'T HAVE TO DO OUT OF COUNTY.
I GET WE MAKE MONEY AND THE DOCTORS MAKE A TON OF MONEY BY DOING THE OUT-OF-COUNTIES. I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T.
WE COULD GET ACCREDITED WITH THE CURRENT STATISTICS IF WE DON'T
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF THAT IS INCORRECT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO -- WHEN YOU COME IN HERE AND YOU -- AND THIS ANALYSIS AND PART OF THE REASON I WANT TO TABLE THIS UNTIL JANUARY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE ASKED FOR -- WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN -- AND I DON'T THINK IT IS DUE YET, BUT WE HAVE ASKED FOR A LIST TO BE PROVIDED TO THIS COURT OF ALL THESE ARPA-FUNDED POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE DONE AND THE AMAZING FINANCIAL IMPACTIC PROPORTIONS IT IS GOING TO PUT A SUPER BIG IN ONUS ON THIS COMMITTEE -- ON THIS COURT AND ON THIS COUNTY. I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE -- I AM NOT GOING TO SAY IT BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL BE AN ENORMOUS NUMBER THAT PEOPLE WILL BE STAGGERED BY A LOT OF IT RESPECTFULLY IS YOURS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH PRICE OF WHAT WE ALLOCATED FOR DOCTORS. YOU ARE RIGHT, JUNE OR JULY.
>> JULY 1. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: START WITH A NEW ONE AND FIGURE IT OUT AND HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DO THAT. I AM STRUGGLING WITH THE FACT THAT AS WE SIT HERE, WE SAY ANOTHER $300,000.
NO BIG DEAL. AND THIS IS BOTHERSOME TO ME BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THAT IS ANOTHER $300,000 OF ARPA MONEY ON TOP OF THE OTHER HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE IN LINE FOR.
SO -- IT'S JUST NOT -- IT'S -- IT IS A STRUGGLE FOR ME TO SAY -- TO DO THIS, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ORIGINALLY, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WILL NOT DO OUT-OF-COUNTIES.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID.
I THINK I CAME BACK AND SAID I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE WILL COST MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET.
SO ME WITH THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE SPENT UPGRADING THAT OFFICE. MILLIONS BEING COMMITTED $7 MILLION ADDITIONAL MONEY TO THE NEW FACILITY.
BECAUSE WE NEED IT. WE COMMITTED -- I GOT TO THINK WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS PER YEAR, MAYBE MORE THAN THAT WITH INCREASING YOUR SALARIES AND ADDING DOCTORS AND UPGRADING THAT.
WE AS A COURT HAVE COMMITTED EIGHT TO TEN.
I DON'T KNOW, $8 MILLION TO $10 MILLION TO A MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE AND I THINK THAT IS AN ENORMOUS NUMBER.
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AND I THINK WE HAVE LIVED UP TO WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO.AND SO I AM NOT COMFORTABLE TODAY DOING THIS BECAUSE I GET THE ARGUMENT. YOU WILL NEED IT EVENTUALLY.
YOU MAY NEED IT NOW, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY -- THERE ARE ONLY SO FAR THESE DOLLARS CAN GO. AND ANY TIME IT SEEMS WE TURN AROUND WE ARE GETTING ANOTHER FINANCIAL ASK FROM THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. IT -- I SHARED THIS WITH YOU.
I SHARED IN E-MAILS. IF GETS FRUSTRATING.
RIGHT. AND SO AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, I APPRECIATE THE HECK THAT YOU ARE HERE.
WE WENT OUT OF OUR WAY TO GET YOU HERE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY. BECAUSE WE THINK YOU ARE THE RIGHT GUY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T -- I DON'T -- JUST DON'T -- THE ASKS ARE REPEATED AND OFTEN AND ALWAYS AND THAT'S TOUGH. AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE CONTRACT AND WE ARE GOING TO DO THOSE THINGS.
JULY 1 IS WHAT WE WILL DO IN THE CONTRACT.
I AM NOT SAYING A HARD NO ON EARLY.
RIGHT NOW I AM BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD THE ANALYSIS.
PING THE COURT DESERVE IT IS AND THE PUBLIC WHAT IS FIXING TO COME. A TSUNAMI OF DOLLARS WHEN THESE ARPA FUNDS ARE GOING TO GO AWAY. IT WILL BE UNBELIEVABLE.
YOU KNOW JUDGE MADE A GOOD POINT A WHILE AUTOS ON THE GRANT THING. WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING FOR GRANTS. OUGHT TO BE LOOKING A THINGS ON THAT TOO. I THINK THE.PUBLIC DEFENDER'S IS GREAT AND WHAT YOUR OFFICE IS GREAT.
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR GRANTS BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE STAGGERING WHEN THIS HITS. YOU ARE PART OF IT IS THE BIGGEST PART BECAUSE -- JUST IS. NOT YOUR FAULT.
YOU ARE A HIGHLY COMPENSATED INDIVIDUAL.
YOU DESERVE TO BE. REALITY WHAT IS FIXING TO COME OUT OF YOUR OFFICE THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IS STAGGERING.
I AM UNCOMFORTABLE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TO WAIT UNT JANUARY TO SEE ALL THE THIS I THINK SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND SEE AND REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE -- THE MONEY -- IF YOU WERE -- IF YOU WERE COMING IN HERE -- IF YOU COME BACK IN JANUARY AND SAYING I WILL GIVE YOU ALL THIS MONEY BACK.
THIS IS MORE ARPA MONEY. THIS IS GETTING TOUGH.
SOME -- YEAH, I THINK -- I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE NOTE THAT WE CAN GET ACCREDITED WITH TWO DOCTORS. AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD AND RESPECTED. IF WE HAVE TO CUT BACK ON OUT OF COWBOYS COUNTIES. WE HAVE TO CUT BACK ON OUT OF COUNTIES. JOHN MADE A GREAT POINT WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON THE INVESTIGATORS AND HE WAS COMPELLED. WE WANT TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU HAVE I DIDN'T AGREE ON THE VOTE THAT DAY BUT I AGREED ON HIS SENTIMENT. AND WE HAVE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING TO MAKE THAT OFFICE GO AND TO ASK FOR MORE NOW ISN'T SOMETHING I AM COMFORTABLE WITH. DOESN'T MEAN NOT LATER, BUT I CAN'T SIT HERE AND LISTEN MORE OF THE ARGUMENT -- WE HAVE DONE MORE FOR THIS DEPARTMENT TIMES THREE.
DEPARTMENTS IN THIS COUNTY THAT WOULD LOVE THE ATTENTION THE MEDICAL EXAMINER HAS GOTTEN, AND I JUST -- I THINK WE NEED -- I THINK WE NEED TO JUST AT THAT I THINK A PAUSE ON THIS AND SAY BRING IT BACK IN JANUARY. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
LET'S LOOK AT IT. LET'S LONG AT THIS NOT JUST IN A VACUUM BUT WHAT IT WILL DO FOR THE IMPACT OF OUR COUNTY FINANCIALLY. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HONEST ON THE ANSWERS, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THE -- THE REQUEST TODAY.
I WOULD PREFER TO TABLE IT AND COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT IN JANUARY, BUT IF -- I AM HAPPY TO VOTE IF SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE A MOTION HERE FOR MARCH.
BUT LET ME THROW BACK HERE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE UNDERSTAND -- THAT WAS A LOT IN THOSE COMMENTS. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT WHEN WE DECIDED THAT JULY 1 WAS GOING TO BE THE DATE, IT WAS ALREADY CONTEMPLATED THAT IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD HAVE THREE.
>> SO WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS NOT THE FUTURE TO HAVE THREE. THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T THINK COULD HAPPEN. WHICH THAT IN A NATIONAL SHORTAGE OF PATHOLOGISTS. YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD A TEAM. AND YOU HAVE DONE THAT BY -- IT IS A TRIBUTE TO YOU, TO THE STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE SET FOR BUILDING A NEW FORENSIC INSTITUTE TEXAS.
-- SOUTH TEXAS. PART OF THE MODEL FOR SOUTH TEXAS IS THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE TO GO.
THEY CAN ORDER YOU AND THEY WILL TO TAKE THESE BODIES, PERIOD.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE. IT IS PART OF OUR FINANCIAL MODEL TO TAKE THE BODIES AND BE PART OF A REGIONAL SYSTEM.
THAT IS WHY FOR ME THE LEGISLATIVE TEAMING THAT
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LOBBYING TO BE THE FORENSIC INSTITUTE OF SOUTH TEXAS WAS CRITICAL AND WE WILL WAIT ON THAT SO YOU CAN FORGET IT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT FOR $300,000 EXTRA, YOU CAN NOT LOSE OUT ON FINDING SOMEBODY WHO OBVIOUSLY WANTS TO LEAVE THEIR POSITION AND LOOK FOR ANOTHER POSITION.YOU CAN CAPTURE A COVETED PATHOLOGIST.
AND YOU CAN DO SO WITH ADDITIONAL ARPA DOLLARS WHICH WE HAVE. THIS COMMUNITY HAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE HELD IN CONTIN CONTINGENCIES. AND FOR THE -- FOR THE UNEXPECTED TWISTS AND TURNS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE ASK YOURSELF, COMMISSIONERS IF $300,000 IS WORTH JUSTICE.
FOR ME IT IS. AND IT IS -- DEFINITELY FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AS WELL. IF YOU SAYS IT NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE ALREADY DONE. YOU CERTAINLY GET A PAT ON YOUR BACK FOR ALL THE INVESTMENT. BUT IF IT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT ALL THE WAY THERE, THEN ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS CUT YOURSELF SHORT.
YOU CAN HAVE A FULLY ACCREDITED OFFICE SO THEY CAN TRY THESE CASES, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS WE ARE GETTING BACK TO TRYING ALL THESE CASES. AND YOU CAN HELP YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR DA'S OFFICE TO DO SO FOR $300,000 WHEN SITTING ON 5 MILLION. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FUTURE AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE OUT-OF-COUNTY -- I CAN CREATE A VARIETY OF SCENARIOS WHICH YOU DID. THAT SAYS, TWO IS ENOUGH.
BUT NONE OF THEM IS REAL WORLD. WHAT YOU DID WITH YOUR MATH IS NOT REAL WORLD. WHAT A REAL WORLD IS 844 CASES AND GROWING. 844 REQUIRES THREE PEOPLE, PERIOD. WHAT HE IS TELLING IS YOU THAT YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT. YOU DIDN'T SEEN ADVOCATE TO GET THE DAMN DOLLARS, BUT THEY ARE HERE, RIGHT.
AND THEY ARE HERE AND AVAIL TO YOUR COMMUNITY SO YOUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY CAN GO PROSECUTE CASES AND SOMEBODY CAN BOLSTER THAT WE HAVE -- WE HAVE ALL THESE GREAT ACCREDITED MEDICAL EXAMINERS.
I THINK IT IS WORTH THE MONEY. I THINK JUSTICE IS WORTH IT.
I THINK A VICTIM'S FAMILY WOULD THINK IT IS WORTH IT.
AND I THINK IT ALLOWS US TO BE WAY MORE -- YOU TALK OF THOSE GRANTS. ONLY ONE WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET THOSE GRANTS AND THAN IS IF YOU AUTOPSY PEOPLE WHO HAD OVERDOSES. THE ONLY REASON WAS WE WERE GETTING A I WAY WITH TWO IS WE WERE DOWN TO NO STAFF DURING COVID. 37 AND BECAUSE WE WEREN'T AUTOPSYING PEOPLE THAT NAME RECOMMENDS TO DO SO.
THAT IS WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DATA GATHERING ON -- ON DRUG OVERDOSES. YOU HAVE -- THIS COURT HAS THE MONEY. IT HAS A COMPELLING INTEREST TO SEE JUSTICE BE DONE YOU CAN POTENTIALLY LOSE THIS PERSON AND I THINK IMAGINE IS A REALLY GOOD COMPROMISE.
I PERSONALLY BELIEVE FEBRUARY IS THE RIGHT, BUT WITH GOOD SALESMANSHIP DR. FAGAN, IF THIS COURT WILL SEE FIT TO DO MARCH, WHAT YOU ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT -- IF I PUT PENCIL -- SHARPEN MY PENCIL, GET IT DOWN TO THE 150,000 WHEN YOU DO ALL OF THE WASH. AND IT IS JUST A NO BRAINER.
NOT ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES YOU COME.
I AM NOT GOING TO BE HERE, BUT I HOPE YOU COME EACH AND EVERY TEAM THAT JUSTICE IS SERVED AND THAT YOU NEED SOMETHING.
IF YOU DON'T, THEN WE ARE -- THEN WE ARE SELLING OURSELVES SHORT HERE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO DOING IT RIGHT.
AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES BROUGHT YOU SOMETHING GREAT. AND I WISH THIS COURT WILL NOT LOSE SOMEBODY. AND MARCH IS MY MOTION TO COMPROMISE. AND -- AND THE EXTRA MONEY IS SITTING IN OUR COFFERS AND DOESN'T CHANGE THE FUTURE.
THE FUTURE WAS MADE WHEN WE MADE A DECISION FOR A JULY 1 START.
I THINK IT IS WORTH IT AND I THINK THE DA WILL APPRECIATE IT AND THE FAMILIES WOULD AS WELL. I WISH SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT CHIME
IN AND SECOND MY MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SECOND.
I -- I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S -- IT IS LEGITIMATE POLICY DISCUSSION TO REALLY I DID SIDE HOW MUCH OF A WORKLOAD SHOULD OUR COUNTY ME TAKE ON, HIM AND HIS OFFICE WHEN IT IS OTHER AREAS. I -- I LEAN ON THE FACT THAT I THINK MORE STAFF AND STRONGER STAFF THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH THAT YOU HAVE FORMED -- NOT HAVING TO HAVE WITH THE -- ANY KINDS OF CARRY OVER. YOU BROUGHT IN A NEW ADMINISTRATOR. YOU BROUGHT IN A NEW DEPUTY.
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TO BRING IN A THIRD I THINK WOULD BENEFIT US.AND BENEFIT OUR AREA. AND -- I DON'T SEE YOU AS SOMEONE THAT IS GOING TO ASK -- I THINK IT NAY BE CONTRARY TO SOME OPINION ON THE COURT, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO ASK TO -- FOR THE MOON. I THINK YOU ARE ASKING FOR WHAT YOU SEE -- WHAT YOU REALIZE, WHY WE HIRED YOU WHICH IS YOUR EXPERIENCE. YOUR EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH HEALTHY -- TRULY HEALTHY MEDICAL EXAMINER OFFICES IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR STATE. WITH THAT SAID, I -- I TRUST IN YOU ALSO AS AN ADMINISTRATOR. NOT ONLY AS A PHYSICIAN, BUT ADMINISTRATOR TO BRING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COURT.
I AGREE, THE -- WHAT WE HAVE COMMITTED OVERALL WITH ARPA MONEY IS GOING TO -- IT IS GOING TO RUN OUT EVENTUALLY.
BUT I SEE IT AS THANKFULLY WE HAVE THAT MONEY NOW TO DO SOMETHING NOW. AND IN EVERY YEAR IS A BUDGET DECISION. EVERY YEAR WE ARE WEIGHING WHETHER TO KEEP THE SAME SIZE OF STAFF.
TO REDUCE IT. TO REDUCE SERVICES.
TO TRY TO TRIM DOWN A BUDGET. BUT REALITY IS IF WE WANT GOOD MEDICAL SERVICES. WE WANT -- I SHARED THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE WAS VERY RAW FOR ME HAVING LOST SOMEONE FROM OUR CHURCH, OUR CONGREGATION, A HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR WHAT ENDED UP BEING HEAT STROKE, HEART ATTACK ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD DURING FOOTBALL SEASON. THERE ARE FAMILIES THAT WANT AND NEED THAT CLOSURE. THEY NEED IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO I -- I GET THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE IMPORTANT, THEY ARE. AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THEY MAY JUST SEE IT AS WOW, MORE MONEY THROWN TOWARD THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S. BUT WE HAVE TO WEIGH THROUGH ALL OF THAT. IT IS DIFFICULT.
I HAD THOSE QUESTIONS FROM FAMILY MEMBERS DIRECTLY AND I EXPLAIN TO THEM THE REASON WHY THIS IS AN INVESTMENT THAT BE NEED TO PRESERVE. NOT ONLY TO PROTECT US IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TENDENCY HERE TO DRAW UP SOME GREAT.TALENT AND THEY GET PULLED OFF TO ANOTHER ENTITY OR SOME OTHER PART OF THE STATE OR THE COUNTRY.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL THAT YOU CAN AND ALL THAT YOU NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND FULFILLED HERE. THAT YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT YOU NEED, BECAUSE WE BOUGHT INTO A VISION.
AND IT WASN'T I JUST WANT OR NEED ONE PARTICULAR ASSISTANT HELPING ME ON MEDICAL. I WANT NAME, ACCREDITATION.
I WANT TO BUILD A FACILITY WITH LESS MONEY -- THIS COURT WAS VERY FRUGAL AND SAYING NOT THE $30 MILLION THAT WAS PROPOSED AND LESS AND YOU ARE STILL TAKE IT AND WORK WITH IT.
AND I DO BELIEVE IT WILL BE A GOOD FACILITY.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO HANDCUFF YOU WITH WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING.
AND, YES, IT IS A LOT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS COURT TOOK DRAMATIC STEPS IN THE DAYS OF ARPA TO SAY WE WANTED TO SNOW HOW GRATEFUL WE WERE TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND OTHERS WHO HAVE WORKED THROUGH THE COVID PANDEMIC.
AND TO REWARD THEM FOR THAT. AND WHAT WE FOUND THAT THE MONEY THAT WE WERE PUTTING FORWARD WAS REALLY TRYING TO JUST TO CATCH US UP TO WHERE WE HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN AS A COUNTY OVERALL. WHICH IS NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE TOP 30 COUNTIES PAYRISE IN ALMOST ANY POSITION.
WE DEAL WITH THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND NUMEROUS OTHER OFFICES. THIS IS ONE IN THE SAME.
WE DEAL WITH HIGH DOLLARS BECAUSE OF THE SALARY AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT YOU HAVE TO YOU SEE EVERY DAY AND DEAL WITH. BUT IF IT MEANS GIVING YOU A TEAM THAT YOU TRUST, THAT YOU WILL RELY ON, THAT WILL BRING THESE FAMILIES CLOSURE IN A QUICK MANNER, SO THAT THEY CAN TRY TO REBUILD. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
BUT TRY TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. ONE OF THE WAYS IS TO KNOW WITH FINALITY WHAT HAPPENED TO MY LOVED ONE.
AND SO TO PUT AT THAT A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF ON THAT.
WILLING TO PUT ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THAT.
ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT. YES, MONEY IS SCARCE.
A PRECIOUS RESOURCE. BUT TAKEN THE PRECEDENT OF PROVIDING SALARIES AT AT BETTER LEVEL.
I ONLY SAY COMPETITIVE LEVEL BUT A BETTER LEVEL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS BEFORE WE ALREADY HAVE SET THAT PRECEDENT. AND IT IS GOING TO HURT.
IT IS GOING TO HURT BECAUSE NOT EASY TO SAY I AM NOT GOING TO FOR THAT BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS TOO MUCH.
IT IS. IT IS GOING TO BE A LOT.
THE COST OF PUBLIC HEALTH COST US A LOT OF MONEY.
THE COST OF JUSTICE COST US A LOT OF MONEY.
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IT IS ABOUT TIME NUECES COUNTY REALIZE AS THAT WE COMPLAIN AND LAMENT SO MUCH THAT WE LOSE STAFF.IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PAYING THEM WHAT THEY DESERVE.
WE ARE NOT PAYING THEM WHAT THOSE EQUITABLE POSITIONS IN CITY HALL OR SOMEWHERE ELSE GET. AND YOURS IS EWE NEEBLG.
JUST FOR THE COUNTY. AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED AND I TRUST IN WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR LIKE I SAID BEFORE.
YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR A LAMBORGHINI OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ASKING FOR PERSONNEL THAT MAY EQUAL SOME LAMBORGHINIS. I LOVE CARS SO I EQUATE IT FOR THAT. YOU NEED WHAT YOU NEED.
IF SOMEONE COMES TO RECRUIT YOU SOME DAY WHICH I HOPE YOU DON'T, I KNOW YOU ARE A RISING STAR AND THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE IS GRABBING ATTENTION STATEWIDE AND NATIONWIDE.
WE ALREADY KNOW THIS IS A COMPETITIVE JOB.
TO LINE UP A NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE BEHIND YOU IS INSURANCE THAT WE ARE GUARANTEEING WE WILL NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT WE HAVE DURING THIS TIME.
WE WANT TO AVOID LAWSUITS OF PEOPLE HIRED QUICKLY BECAUSE WE NEED SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE AND THEN BACKGROUNDS ARE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THEY WERE PRESENTED.
ALL OF THAT HAS -- HAS COME -- COME ABOUT BECAUSE OF -- BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS WE HAVE NOT INVESTED.
IN THE FACILITY THAT YOU INHERITED AND THE STAFF THAT YOU RECEIVED. AND TODAY, THE STEP IS TO MOVE FORWARD AND SAY WHICH TRUST IN YOU.
YES A HARE EVER AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN THAT IS WHAT OUR JOB IS, TO EXPLAIN. TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC.
YES, IT IS A LOT, BUT THIS IS WHY.
BECAUSE GOD FORBID IF YOU HAVE TO LOSE SOMEONE THROUGH CIRCUMSTANCE THAT ARE NOT NATURAL, THAT ARE TRAUMATIC ROAR, YOU WANT TO GET THAT RESOLVED QUICKLY.
YOU DESERVE TO GET THAT RESOLVED QUICKLY.
SO THAT IS WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT.
NOT ABOUT MONEY. AND -- AND MAYBE -- MAYBE WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT IT IS TRUSTING IN A PERSON THAT WE HIGHLY RECRUITED THAT WE FOUGHT FOR TO BRING TO NUECES COUNTY.
AND THAT IS YOU, DR. FAGAN. AND I -- I TOLD YOU OFF LINE AND IN PERSON, I TRUST IN WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR.
I BELIEVE IN IT. SO I SUPPORT IT.
AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN DO WORK TODAY.
IF WE NEED TO FIND A COMPROMISE, THEN FIND A COMPROMISE.
BUT I DO NOT WANT TO SHORTEN ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE TO STRENGTHEN YOUR STAFF AND THE WOULD, THAT YOU PROVIDE.
>> IF I CAN JUST SAY ONE QUICK THING.
SOME JUST TO PUT -- FOR A COMPARABLE SIZED OFFICE FOR JUST CASE FILINGS PER YEAR. SO EL PASO LAST YEAR, THEY DID 810 POSTMORTEM. WE DID 844.
YOU LOOK AT BOTH OF OUR RESPECTIVE BUDGETS MINE AT 2.634 MILLION. THEIRS AT 3.3 MILLION.
JUST FOR OTHER TEXAS OFFICES FOR COMPARABLE CASE VOLUME.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT? WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION. I HAVE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND, AGAIN, FOR KARA WHO JUST STEPPED UP. CAN YOU TAKE THE NOTE, EMMA.
IT WAS FOR MARCH 1. AND THE FUNDING WILL BE ARPA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: NO.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NO. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANOTHER MOTION THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED. I WAS GOING TO CONSIDER THAT -- SUGGEST THAT THIS PERSON IS AVAILABLE AND -- I DON'T KNOW IF -- IF THERE IS A COMPROMISE ON ANOTHER AMOUNT, BUT IT MEANS IF YOU WAIT UNTIL JULY, THIS PERSON MAY OR MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE.
BUT IS -- IS THERE APRIL -- I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE WILL OF THE COURT IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU WILL NOT GET ACCREDITED OVERNIGHT. YOU WILL HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT.
WHICH MEANS IF YOU WAIT FOR JULY, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE ENDS OF THE YEAR TO GET ACCREDITATION.
YOU WILL GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE YEAR OF CASES AND I DON'T KNOW -- I WAS GOING TO INVESTIGATE TO YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE ARPA, ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER FUNDING
SOURCES THAT COULD BE UTILIZE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IN UNTIL JANUARY 4 AND COME BACK WITH A FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT THIS AND ALL OTHER ARPA RELATED FUNDS BEFORE WE
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MAKE A DECISION TO THE VACUUM. MOTION TO TABLE.>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECOND.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WAS GOING TO SAY APRIL.
>>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU SAY APRIL, THEN YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST THIS MOTION AND THEN WE CAN HEAR YOUR MOTION.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF -- OF -- OF THIS TABLE, PLEASE SIGNIFY -- OR IN FAVOR OF THIS TABLE, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WANT TO TABLE OR DO APRIL?
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WANT TO TABLE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, IF YOU MIGHT LET THIS INDIVIDUAL KNOW THAT IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WHEN A NEW JUDGE COMES IN THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR MINDS. THEY CAN -- YOU CAN HEAR IT IN JANUARY. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WOULD, BUT MY SENSE IS THAT THE MINUTE A NEW JUDGE COMES IN YOU MIGHT APPEAL FOR HER AND HER GOOD SENSE AND COMMON SENSE TO NOT LOSE THIS APPLICANT. MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE THIS PERSON DO YOUR BEST TO JUST ALLOW IT TO -- TO SEE IF THAT WILL WORK.
I AM VERY, VERY SORRY BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB. I AM SORRY FOR THE COUNTY.
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT ALL WE
WEEK. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AM JUST -- JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW. I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR THE NUECES COUNTY, BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE A LOT.
BUT I THINK FOR -- IN THE LONG RUN, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AND -- YOU KNOW, WE GO FORWARD, I KNOW IT WILL BE MORE MONEY WE WILL COME UP WITH. BUT I AM ALSO -- I THINK I MENTION IT TO YOU THAT -- THAT I DIDN'T -- I DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE ON THE 40-06. REMEMBER I TOLD YOU THAT -- THERE WAS -- MOST OF THE COUNTIES DON'T GO TO 40-60.
EVERYTHING GOES TO THE COUNTY. AND PAY FOR A LOT OF THE -- A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THEY -- THAT THEY HAVE.
SO SOMETHING THAT WE -- THAT I AM GOING TO THINK OF ABOUT FOR NEXT YEAR TO SEE HOW WE CAN WORK ON THIS 40-60.
YOU KNOW MAYBE 20-60 ALREADY 20-80 OR NOTHING.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE MEDICAL EXAMINERS AT ONE POINT. WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE TO GET THE FUNDS FROM. NOT JUST FROM THE GENERAL FUND OR SOME OTHER FUNDS THAT MAYBE WHEN IT COMES IN TO THE GENERAL FUND, WHERE YOU GET SOME OF YOUR FUNDS BACK.
SO THIS -- I AM JUST SAYING THIS IS MY THOUGHT.
SO -- I THINK I SHARED THIS WITH YOU, MR. FOREST, A WHILE BACK.
>>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS TALKING OF THE COMPENSATION SPLIT.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: HE KNOWS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THE AUDIENCE DIDN'T.
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHEN YOU CAME LAST TIME ASKING FOR AN
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I AGREED AND I WAS A YES.
AND GIVING YOU THAT INVESTIGATOR.
BUT IT ALSO CAME OUT OF ARPA FUNDS.
AND I AM JUST KIND OF WORRIED THAT WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THE SAME WATER WELL AND RUN OUT AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A BIND. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY.
AND MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER FUNDINGS, AND BRING THEM OUT AND SEE -- DO WE HAVE ALREADY -- A RAINY DAY FUND WE CAN GO TO, YOU KNOW. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
BUT, AGAIN, I REALLY WANT TO HELP YOU, BUT I AM AFRAID OF THAT ARPA MONEY JUST GIVING OUT THERE FREELY.
>> UNDERSTOOD, SIR. >>JUDGE CANALES: GIVING THAT WE ARE FREE FORMING HERE. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE ARPA MONEY LASTS UNTIL 2026. IN IN THREE YEARS, IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS BUSINESS.
AND, AGAIN, THE OPIOID DOLLARS AND LITIGATION SETTLEMENT.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT. IT ASSUMES THERE IS NO GROWTH WHEN WE KNOW THAT GROWTH IS HAPPENING EXPONENTIALLY ACROSS TEXAS. AND THIS IDEA HOW ARPA IS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING. ARPA IS DOLLARS THAT COME TO US FOR FREE. AND IT IS FREE DOLLARS.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO EXTEND, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
SO WHEN WE SAY WE WANT AN AGENDA ITEM TALKING ABOUT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OR THE -- OR THE FISCAL IMPACT, THIS IS NOT FOR YOU, DR.
FAGAN IN GENERAL, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S REQUEST, THE IMPACT IS ZERO. IT IS ZERO.
IT IS DOLLARS THAT WE GOT FROM THE FEDS TO MAKE TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE. AND THERE OUGHT TO BE -- I WILL HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS WHEN I AM TESTIFYING WHICH I GET TO DO NEXT YEAR. THERE OUGHT TO BE A RULE OF
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GOVERNMENTS THAT DON'T DO TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE.YOU SHOULDN'T GET DOLLARS IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO USE THEM FOR TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE WHEN THAT WAS THE SPIRIT OF IT.
.I THINK THAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME NEW WAYS TO GO ABOUT IT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT THAT. OPIOID SETTLEMENT MONEY IS ONE OF THEM. IF THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT ARPA DOLLARS, MAYBE IT IS JUST A NEW THING.
YOU KNOW, A NEW TWIST. BUT ARPA, THERE IS NO FISCAL IMPACT FOR ARPA BECAUSE ARPA IS FREE FEDERAL DOLLARS, PERIOD.
WHETHER YOU THE COURT CHOOSES TO EXTEND THEM IS UP TO THE COURT, BUT, AGAIN, I MEAN, NOBODY IS GOING INTO ANY OF THESE UNDERSTANDING THAT -- THAT IT LASTS FOREVER.
LASTS UNTIL 2026 IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE THEM IN THAT WAY OR SOONER IF THE COURT CHOOSES. BUT JUST -- LITTLE BIT OF A DISTINCTION. WE -- I ALREADY GOT AN E-MAIL SAYING THAT THAT -- MAYBE YOU STENT IT TO ME IADEE.
I WOULD SAY TO GRAB IT AND SEND THE FISCAL IMPACT AND SHOW IT IS ACROSS THE BOARD AND WE MADE DECISIONS THAT THEY DON'T EXTEND PAST THE ARPA YEAR OF -- WHICHEVER YEAR WE CHOSE.
JUST SO -- AGAIN, IT'S A -- A COMBINATION OF HOW PEOPLE WANT TO MANIPULATE WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU, DR. FAGAN. NO OTHER ITEMS, RIGHT.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOUR THOUGHT IS ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT WE HIRED AT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE THEY WILL COME OFF AND NOT IS FROM HAVE FISCAL IMPACT AND FREE FORMING AND TALKING OF THAT NIPLATION -- TRYING TO BE QUIET BUT HARD WHEN YOU SAY THINGS AREN'T TRUE. ONE OF THE DOCTORS AND THE SALARIES WE PAY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE.
DR. FAGAN IS NOT COMING OFF. THE OTHER DOCTOR IS NOT COMING OFF. OTHER DOCTOR IS NOT COMING OFF.
THE INVESTIGATORS WE ARE PAYING MORE IS NOT COMING OUT.
YOU ARE NOT STATE IT ACCURATELY AT ALL.
FISCAL IMPACT AND WE MADE REPRESENTATIONS THAT YES, SOME OF THEM WOULD NOT BE EXTENDED BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THE CONSTABLES THAT WE HAVE DONE. SCOTT CROSS'S OFFICE.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE ASKING THIS COURT TO STAY. AND WE HAVE MADE REPRESENTATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE AND THAT IS THE BULK OF IT. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING OUT AND WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR ARPA FUNDS FOR SOME OF THOSE FOLKS. THERE IS A FISCAL IMPACT AND NEED TO BE ARTICULATED AND SHOWN AND WE WILL DO THAT IN JANUARY WHEN WE BRING IT BACK AND REVISITED THE ITEM AND MAYBE THEN I WILL HAVE IS A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE REGARDING THIS.
THERE IS A FISCAL IMPACT AND WE MADE REPRESENTATIONS THAT PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY BE AROUND WHEN IT IS ALL SAID AND DONE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO DISTINGUISH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
WE MADE A -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU VOTED YES OR NO.
THIS COURT ALREADY VOTED AFFIRMATIVELY TO START THIS PERSON IN JULY. ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FINDING
THE FUNDS -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT
PERSON IS GOING TO STAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT DECISION
ALREADY GOT MADE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A FISCAL
IMPACT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THIS WAS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HAVE -- AGAIN, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE A REAL UNDERSTANDING OR A REAL COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION OR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FUTURE, IT'S GOT TO BE THAT YOU INCLUDE A CASH ANALYSIS OF ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE COMING INTO THE FUTURE TO OFFSET CERTAIN NEEDS.
BUT THERE HAS GOT TO BE PRIORITIES.
AND THIS ONE WASN'T ONE FOR YOU. IT WAS FOR ME.
IT WAS FOR OTHER. BUT NOT FOR YOU.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I VOTED FOR THIS TO START IN JULY.
IT WAS A PRIORITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: OH, YOU DID
VOTE FOR IT IN JULY. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO IS THE ISSUE THEN IS FIVE MONTHS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR -- SEE YOUR WAY
THROUGH. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: STILL
TALKING OF AN ISSUE TABLED. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU OPENED THE
DOOR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU KEPT
TALKING. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU OPENED IT. THANK YOU, DR. FAGAN.
THANK YOU, FOREST. POSTING OF THE HUMAN RESOURCES
[4. Discuss and consider authorizing the posting of the Human Resources Director position.]
DIRECTOR POSITION. ITEM NUMBER 4.>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO MOVE.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COUNTY MANAGER.
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WANT TO POST IT TODAY.
>> IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. >> JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION. IS IT ATTACHED?
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>> I DON'T HAVE IT ATTACHED. >> JUDGE CANALES: I WILL HAVE TO
TABLE THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AGREE
WOMAN LOOKING TO ARE A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DECEMBER
7. >> THAT IS FINE BECAUSE I WANTED TO REVISE THAT JOB. SO THAT IS PERFECT.
[5. Discuss and consider job title and duties for new position in Sheriff’s office related to Game Room Administrator, and related matters.]
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
NOW WHAT ABOUT THIS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER JOB TITLE AND DUTY FOR NEW POSITIONS RELATING TO GAME ROOM ADMINISTRATOR.
SORRY, GET THAT MIC CLOSE PER. D -- CLOSER.
GO AHEAD. I WILL GIVE YOU THESE.
WHO IS HERE FOR THAT. CHIEF COOK?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE.
IAD DESHGSR, DO THEY HAVE A COPE OF THE DESCRIPTION.
>> JUDGE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION OR ASK.
AFTER THIS, AND I THINK IT MAY BE GERMANE, CAN Y'ALL JUST REVISIT THE ORDINANCE OR I GUESS --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
>>THE NEXT ONE IF THAT IS OKAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT ALL TAKEN
CARE OF. >> I WILL MAKE IT AS PART OF A MOTION. CHIEF COOK, YOU BROUGHT A SUMMARY AND ORGANIZATIONAL RELATIONSHIPS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD OR DIRECT IT TO US.
SOMETIMES IT IS HARD -- MISS SANDS ASKED THAT HER OFFICE BE REMOVED IN LIGHT OF THE FACT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONAL
>>JUDGE CANALES: MAKE THAT A PART OF TODAY.
>> YES, MA'AM, WE DISCUSS IT A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
AND WE ARE ALL ON BOARD AND ON THE SAME PAGE, I BELIEVE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, WHAT QUESTIONS -- WHAT -- HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRIEF -- BRIEF US HERE WITH REGARD TO THIS
POSITION? >> IADEE AND I WORKED TOGETHER TO DEVELOP A JOB DESCRIPTION. AND WE NEEDED TO COME UP WITH A DESCRIPTION THAT ONLY -- NOT ONLY DEALT WITH GAME ROOM ADMINISTRATION, BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW ROBUST OR DEMANDING THAT JOB IS GOING TO BE AT THIS POINT.
WE CAN GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS AND STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, 50 OR 60 OR 70 GAME ROOMS AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS OR THEY CAN FIND THE PROCESS SO ENCUMBERING AND SO DIFFICULT TO -- TO -- TO COMPLY WITH MAYBE WE WILL ONLY GET A FEW.
WE YOU LOOK OVER THIS JOB DESCRIPTION YOU WILL SEE QUITE A FEW DUETI NOT ONLY TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE GAME ROOMS. INITIALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR TO YOU TAKE NOTE THE FIRST PAR GRAFT.
MY PRIMARY CONCERN INITIALLY WAS TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF THE GAME ROOM AND THAT IT REMAINS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NUECES COUNTY GAME ROOM ORDINANCE AND COMPLIANCE WITH ALL STATE AND LOCAL LAWS RELATED TO ILLEGAL GAMBLING.
WE HAVE MANY, MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT -- THAT SEEM TO STILL HAVE THE PERCEPTION. AND WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO EDUCATE THEM. AND WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE AND PUT IT IN PLACE, TO EDUCATE THEM AND LET THEM KNOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE PERMITTED DOESN'T MEAN YOU WILL MAKE ILLEGAL PAYOUTS AND MANY PEOPLE SEEM TO BE UNDER THE IMPRESSION ONCE THEY HAVE A PERMIT THEY CAN RUN THEIR GAME ROOM AS THEY CHOOSE. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
ANYBODY I INTERACT WITH, WE TELL THEM IF YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GAMBLING LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU ARE GOING TO END UP FACING PROSECUTION, YOU KNOW.
AND THEY JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THERE ARE -- THERE ARE GREAT DEAL OF OTHER ISSUES WITH REGARD TO HERE. GAME ROOM ADMINISTRATOR/COORDINATOR/GRANT SPECIALIST.
IF THE GAME ROOM DOESN'T TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME, THERE ARE OTHER DUTIES THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL WILL BE ABLE TO PERFORM. I WILL ASK THAT YOU REVIEW THE -- VERY VIEW THE DESCRIPTION AS WRITTEN.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR YOU FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL DUTIES OR YOU DON'T THINK WE HAVE DONE A JOB OR HAVE BEEN COMPLETE ENOUGH IN THE DESCRIPTION THAT YOU ADDRESS IT AND LET US KNOW SO WE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES.
I KNOW THAT YOU -- I JUST REALIZED THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED
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IT. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE ANOPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CHIEF, A QUESTION I WANT TO MAKE SURE. MY UNDERSTANDING ON THIS.
THAT BASICALLY TO CREATE THIS POSITION, YOU FROZE A COUPLE OF
OTHER POSITIONS. >> WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHAT POSITIONS WE ARE GOING TO FREEZE YET, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE A DISCUSSION WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, BUT HIS INTENT WAS TO FREEZE THE POSITIONS IN ORDER TO -- THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF POSITIONS IN ORDER TO FUND THE POSITION AS -- AS REQUIRED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> VACANT POSITIONS RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WI WITH IADEE AND THE COURT KNOW KNOW KARA IS THRILLED NOT TO HAVE TO DO IT ANYMORE.
LOGISTICALLY DIFFICULT TO COORDINATE BETWEEN YOUR OFFICE AND HER OFFICE. STREAMLINE IT -- SOMETIMES YOU GET LUCKY AND THIS IS ONE OF THE SITUATIONS WHERE -- I THINK WE GOT A LITTLE LUCKY. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU A ALL WORKING HARD ON THIS. AND I WOULD MOVE TO PASS THIS,
IF APPROPRIATE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE JUST GOT IT AND THE ANSWER IT, IT DOESN'T COMPORT WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID TODAY. WE JUST GOT IT.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OR EDIT IT OR EVEN DISCUSS IT WITH COURT ADMINISTRATOR OR YOU GUYS.
SO, I MEAN -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: HAVE
YOU SEEN IT, JENNY? >> THE JOB DESCRIPTION, NO?
>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU TONIGHT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TRADING FOR.
I WOULD IMAGINE SOME FUNDS TOWARD THIS POSITION THAT YOU GAINED FROM THE COLLECTION OF FEE FROM THE PERMIT.
>> I DON'T KNOW, DEPENDS WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT DECIDES TO DO WITH THOSE FUND AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IN FUNDS WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IN. $1,000 PER PERMIT.
AND IF HE HAD 20 . >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO DO.
>> 20 PEOPLE APPLY, 30, $35000, $40,000 I HONESTLY CAN'T SAY.
I KNOW -- I HAVE READ THE ORDINANCE.
WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THERE IS A COUPLE OF -- A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS THAT I THINK WE WERE GOING TO MAKE TO MODIFY IT SLIGHTLY NOTHING THAT THE COURT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT TO -- SO THAT WE COULD DEAL WITH IT MORE EFFECTIVELY. AND THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RESPOND ONCE IT IS POSTED ON THE WEB SITE AND THEY START -- THEY SEE IT AND SEE THAT IT CAN BE VERY DEMAPPED WHAT WE REQUIRE OF THESE -- OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE OF THESE OPERATORS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JENNY, I WOULD STILL LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I GET IT -- SECOND, THIRD HAND.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- PEOPLE KEEP TELLING ME THERE ARE WAYS TO CHARGE MORE THAN JUST A ONE-TIME FEE THAT YOU CAN CHARGE PER MACHINE. I KNOW WE LOOKED AT THAT THE BEFORE, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD -- SINCE YOU MENTIONED ALL THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT THAT ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD TOO.
BECAUSE I -- HARD TO BELIEVE THAT ALL WE CAN DO CHARGE A
ONE-TIME FEE. >> COMMISSIONER, WE WILL.
WE CAN CHARGE 25% OF THE COST OF WHAT THE STATE CHARGES FOR THEIR STICKER. AND SO WHATEVER THE STATE CAN CHARGE FOR THEIR STICKER THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE, WE CAN HAVE A COUNTY STICKER ON EVERY MACHINE AND I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE IT WAS 25% IS THE MAX WE CAN CHARGE.
SO IF WE CAN CHARGE 25% OF WHAT THE STATE IS CHARGING FOR OUR
COUNTY STICKER. >> LIKE $15 OR $25 A MACHINE.
>> IT WAS $15 A MACHINE WE COULD GET.
$1,000. THE $1,000 IS NOT REFUNDABLE AND SOMETHING PEOPLE WILL BE TOLD -- ONCE YOU GIVE US YOUR THOUSAND, WHETHER YOU GET PERMITTED OR NOT.
YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR $1,000 BACK.
NONREFUNDABLE FEE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE 15 OR 20. THAT PER MACHINES.
>> EVERY YEAR. THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CHANGED WHAT WE WERE TOLD BEFORE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: NO. WE ALWAYS KNEW PER MACHINE.
>> PER YEAR AND PAY ANOTHER $1,000 THE NEXT YEAR FOR REUP
GOING I AM NOT MISTAKEN. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PER MACHINE -- THAT WILL GENERATE --
>> DEPENDS ON HOW MANY MACHINES. >>JUDGE CANALES: DEPENDS HOW
MANY PEOPLE APPLY. >> HOW MANY PEOPLE APPLY.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT DECIDES TO DO WITH THAT MONEY.
IF YOU ROLL IT BACK INTO THE IN.SHERRIFF'S BUDGET, WE, OF COURSE, WITH ALWAYS USE MONEY AND I WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE THAT OFF YOUR HANDS. BUT IT IS -- ULTIMATELY UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WHERE THOSE FUNDS GO, WHETHER THEY GO TO THE GENERAL FUND AND HOW THE FUNDS ARE SPENT.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT ACTUALLY MAY HAVE COME UP.
WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE MINUTES.
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THE FUNDS WILL GO TO THIS OFFICE TO DEFER COST.I HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK IT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE.
NEVERTHELESS, THE STATUTE IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE 1,000.
NOTHING MORE YOU CAN DO THAN THE $1,000.
HAVING SAID THAT, WE JUST GOT THIS MOMENTS AGO, SO HOW ABOUT UNTIL DECEMBER 7. LOOKS LIKE DECEMBER 7 WILL NOT BE A NOON MEETING UNLESS YOU CAN DO TIME TURNING.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ASK A QUESTION ON THAT.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION JUST TO APPROVE THE JOB, AND THEN BRING THE JOB DESCRIPTION BACK.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS FINE. YOU CAN DO THAT.
APPROVE THE JOB TO GET -- AND THEN BRING IT BACK THE JOB
DESCRIPTION. >> JUDGE CANALES: AND RE REMOVE KARA SANDS FROM THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.
COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE -- DOES IT SAY MY NAME?
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAYS COUNTY CLERK.
THE MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: REMEMBER COMMISSIONER CHESNEY TO OFFERED YOU UP.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEM -- IT WAS AWESOME.
THEY JUMPED IN AND HELPED. I WISH I WOULD HAVE COME TO UP.
>>JUDGE CANALES: TAKE HER OFF, SHE SAYS.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CREATE THE JOB AND BRING IT BACK ON DECEMBER 7 AND REMOVE THE COUNTY CLERK/ KARAA SANDS FROM THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART ON THE GAMBLING ORDINANCE.
>> AIDEE, THIS JOB WILL BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY, TO THE PUBLIC OR
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHO IS IT GOING --
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE WE VOTED ON -- THAT YOU DIDN'T VOTE
ON. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: ALL I
WANT TO KNOW. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU
DIDN'T VOTE FOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: IS THERE A SECOND? YOU HAVE THE MOTION.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. YOU WILL BRING BACK THAT JOB
[6. Discuss and consider approval of the following two reclassifications of positions: 1. Environmental Enforcement Department #5220 – Two (2) Environmental Enforcement Officers Positions from Pay Group 20 to Pay Group 22 2. Engineering Department #0121 – One (1) Geographical Information system (GIS)/AutoCAD Designer Position from Pay Group 25 to Pay Group 27]
DESCRIPTION. THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE TODAY IS ON THE NEXT PAGE. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT.[1. Discuss and consider approval of agreement with Tyler Technologies providing for credit card services and terminals to be used by defendants.]
HE IS GOING TO BRING IT BACK. AND I ACTUALLY GOT A NOTE THAT DARYL IS ILL AND COULDN'T ASK AND ASKED THAT F-1 UNLESS YOU THINK IT CAN BE HANDLED WITHOUT HIS PRESENCE AND HE IS NOT HERETODAY TO REPRESENT. >> HE IS ONLINE.
>>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS ONLINE. GREAT.
DARYL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT THE APPROVAL OF THE AGREEMENT WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES FOR CREDIT CARD SERVICES? AND TERMINAL TO BE USED BY DEFENDANTS?
>> YES. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY?
>>JUDGE CANALES: YES, GOTCHA. >> SHOULD BE QUICK.
A NO COST ITEM. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS KIND OF UPGRADING THE ONLINE AND CREDIT CARD MACHINE PAYMENTS FOR DEFENDANTS. WE WILL GO TO -- EXPAND THE NUMBER OF CREDIT CARD MACHINES SO THAT WE WILL HAVE THE DISTRICT COURT, COUNTY CLERK AND JP OFFICES COVERED.
WITH THIS SYSTEM, A DEFENDANT CAN MAKE A PAYMENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THE ASSOCIATED CASE WILL BE EFFECTED BY THIS TO UPDATE IT WITH THE FEE PAYMENT. TYLER WILL CONFIGURE ALL OF THIS FOR US. AS I SAID NO COST TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY COLLECTS NO FEES AND NO FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT ONLY OUR END WITH THIS. AND KIM BROWN AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I WORK THROUGH THE AGREEMENT AND MET WITH THE REP WITH TYLER AND WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH AND I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD APPROACH TO TAKE TO HELP THESE PEOPLE GIVE US SOME MONEY.
>> SOUPER IS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOVE
PASSAGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
A MOTION AND I WILL SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. SAME SIGN.
[4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.]
OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING.WE HAVE GOT EXECUTIVE SESSION NEXT.
AND I AM GOING TO GIVE NOTICE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ANY TIME DURING THE MEETING TO DISCUSS MATTERS LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA.
I WILL MAKE NOTE FOR THE RECORD WE ALWAYS DO LIST THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PLACE. AND ON THE AGENDA.
AND IT IS AUTHORIZED -- EXCUSE ME.
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, DURING THE MEETING TO DISCUSS -- LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA OR WE DON'T HAVE TO LIST IT, AS LONG AS I HAVE IT ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA, IT IS -- IT IS WHETHER OR NOT IT IS AUTHORIZED BY THE PROVISION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND WEATHER WEATHER -- CHAPTER 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND ALSO THAT THE -- THAT THE -- IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY OF SECTIONS 55071, 027, 073.
AND THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEY, INCLUDING MATTERS RELATED TO
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LITIGATION, REAL PROPERTY, PROSPECTIVE GIFTS, PERSONNEL MATTERS, TERMINATION, SECURITY DEVICES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.FOLLOWING COMPLETION OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY IN OPEN SESSION TAKE SUCH ITEMS, TAKE SUCH ACTION AS ITEMS -- ON ITEMS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AND WERE DISCUSSEDED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE COURT DOES RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS ANY LISTED AGENDA ITEM IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AGAIN WHEN AUTHORIZE BY LAW TO DO SO.
AND YOU WILL NOTICE THAT -- AND I INCORPORATE THIS INTO MY VERBIAGE THAT ITEMS 1-J, EACH AND EVERY ONE HAVE LISTED THE.GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION THAT IS APPROPRIATE AND IN EACH AND EVERY CASE EXCEPT FOR ITEM -- GIVE ME ONE SECOND -- EXCEPT FOR ITEM B ANDJ, ALL ARE BEING PURSUED TO 55071.
ITEMB, 5510725. AND ITEM JULY, 551074.
SO WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO CALL IT AT 3:50 P.M.
AND ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE WAIT IN THE WAITING ROOM.
CONNIE WILL PUT YOU THERE. AND -- AND THEN WE WILL CALL YOU BACK IN AT THE RIGHT TIME. IT IS #:50 P.M.
>> FOR CLARIFICATION, JUDGES, YOU ARE PULLING 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, AND 28 FROM THE SECTION 3-A WHICH HAVE CORRESPONDING ITEMS
IN THERE. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND TO WHICH DURING SUCH TIME AS THE ITEM WAS CALLED, I ANNOUNCED THIS HE WOULD BE HANDLED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND DR. FAGAN, WE WILL BRING YOU >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.
GO AHEAD OKAY, THANK YOU. WE ARE COMING BACK ON THE RECORD AND I NEED TO LET THE CLERK KNOW WE LOST COMMISSIONER MAREZ.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT HE IS NOT ONLINE JUST FOR THE MINUTES FOR THESE ITEMS. WE WERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE HAVE A FEW ACTIONS TO TAKE UP.
THE FIRST ONE WILL BE ITEM -- GO AHEAD.
THE TIME -- SURE. IT IS 5:10 P.M.
AND FIRST, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TEN MORE MINUTES.
AND CAN I GET A MOTION REAL QUICK JUST TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF
TEN MINUTES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO
MOVED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE -- THAT MAXIMUM TO PAST 5:00.
TEN MORE MINUTES. ITEM 23 IS COMMISSIONER
GONZALEZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MOTION FOR DR. SHAKER TO PERFORM THE AUTOPSY ON JUANITA SALDAGA.
>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. GONZALEZ AYE.
NEXT ONE ITEM NUMBER 24, REGARDING THE EMPLOYMENT GRIEVANCE CASE BY MISS MEDINA. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND THE RELEASE OF THE COUNTY'S LIABILITY.
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THE COUNTY AUDITOR TO SIGN
WITHOUT BRING IT BACK TO COURT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T THINK
THERE IS ANYTHING TO PAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST
MAKING A POINT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, NO DISCUSSION? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. ITEM NUMBER E IS LISTED AS ITEM 25. A MATTER OF THE CLAIM OF CRYSTAL PENA. I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT -- THAT WE AUTHORIZE IN A PREVIOUS COURT TO 'PROVE THIS SETTLEMENT OR THIS CLAIM. AND WE ARE ASKING THE COUNTY ALL FOR TO PLEASE PROCESS THIS CHECK OF $1,000.
>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: CHEST SECOND.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. HAVE THE COUNTY AUDITOR PAY IT
SHALL. >>JUDGE CANALES: PROMPTLY AS PROVIDE BY THE LEGAL SETTLEMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ITEM NUMBER 26 IS BRENDA -- THE MOTHER OF BRENDA CARENO. AGAIN, THE MATTER IS A CLAIM THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND WE ARE ASKING THE COUNTY AUDITOR TO PLEASE -- TO PLEASE PLAY THIS
GAME AS PREVIOUSLY DIRECTED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NO ACTION, RIGHT.
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>>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU
DIDN'T MENTION THAT ONE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I'M GOING IN ORDER OF 23, 24, 25, 26, 27. NOT LISTED A BZ AS AN ITEM OF APPLICATION. ITEM NUMBER 27 IS REGARDING ALEJANDRO RODRIGUEZ AND THE HIRING OF AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, I THINK YOU HAVE A MOTION.
>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO HIRE JASON WOLF AS OUTSIDE COUNSEL IN THE MATTER OF ALEJANDRO RODRIGUEZ AS RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OP OPPOSED, SAME SIGN OKAY.
AND MARTA RUIZ IS THE ITEM NUMBER 28.
A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT. AND IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,000.
AND IS THERE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE COUNTY AUDITOR WITH REGARDS
TO MARTA RUIZ. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PAY THE AMOUNT APPROVED BY THE COURT AND AUTHORIZED AND SIGNED BY THE COUNTY JUDGE. THAT IS THE MOTION.
>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND?
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECOND.
>>JUDGE CANALES: MULTIPLE SECONDS.
I WILL TAKE HERNANDEZ. I HEARD IT FIRST.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. AND THIS TAKES CARE OF ALL THE ITEMS THAT I BELIEVE WILL NOTICE THAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO IN THE AGENDA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH.
BUT I WILL ASK FOR -- DOUBLE CHECK.
ARE THERE ANY ADJOURNMENTS IN MEMORIES WHILE WE ARE PREPARING TO CONCLUDE OUR COURT TODAY? COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY? COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ?
>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: NO, MA'AM.
>>JUDGE CANALES: SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY MORE, BUT I WILL LOOK ONCE MORE SO WE CAN ADJOURN PROMPTLY.
WE DEALT WITH 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28.
I BELIEVE THAT IS IT. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES TODAY'S COURT. AND SO THE TIME FOR THE ADJOURNMENT, THEREFORE, SINCE THERE IS NO ADJOURNMENTS IN MEMORY OTHER THAN IF YOU LOST SOMEBODY HERE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS SINCE WE LAST MET EITHER THROUGH THE COURTHOUSE YOU ARE WATCHING THIS, JUST KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IS THINKING OF YOU RIGHT NOW. WITH THAT, 5:15.
WE STAND ADJOURNED.
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