[00:00:11] HERNANDEZ. GONZALEZ. MAREZ. MAREZ. CHESNEY. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYONE TO GIVE INVOCATION. IT WOULD BE LOVELY. [1. CALL TO ORDER] THANK YOU. GIVE ME ONE MOMENT TO TO DO THIS. THAT'S THE OFFICIALLY CALLING US INTO ORDER. I WILL REMARK FOR THE CLERK THE TIME. I'M NOTING IT'S 2:03. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO STAND AS I CALL FOR INVOCATION. PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OUR TEXAS FLAGS. >> FATHER GOD WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY AND SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR CHILDREN OF THIS COMMUNITY, FOR THIS COUNTY, FATHER TO COME AS ONE AND TO LOOK TO YOU, FATHER, JUST TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. WE ASK FOR PRAYERS AND BLESSING FOR OUR JUDGE, FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS, FATHER, FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND STAFF AND BLESS EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT IS HERE. PRESENT TODAY AND THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING ON VIDEO. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME. FOR ALL THESE THINGS WE ASK IN YOUR SON IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THE DATE SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2022. WE'RE IN NEUSES COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT. IS COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. CAN YOU CHECK HIS OFFICE. I AM GOING TO CALL ROLL. I DO ESTABLISH AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER THAT THE QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK FOR ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR APPEARANCE OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH ANY ITEMS TOWN AGENDA. WE SHOULD DECLARE THEM AT THIS TIME PURSUANT TO THE LAW AND MEMBERS OF CONFLICTS WILL REFRAIN FROM VOTING AND DISCUSSION ON SUCH ITEMS. [E. SAFETY BRIEFING] CONFLICT SHALL BE DISCLOSED AT THAT TIME. I WILL ASK YOU TO TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO TIMOTHY EVEREST AS HE GIVES US A SAFETY BRIEFING. WE HAVE A FULL COURTROOM. IF YOU COULD GIVE HIM YOUR FOCUS PLEASE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> WE'RE MEETING HERE ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE NEUSES COUNTY COURTHOUSE. THE REST ROOMS LOCATED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE THIRD FLOOR AS YOU EXIT THE COURTROOM PAST THE HUMAN RESOURCE OFFICE. THERE'S FIVE ADDITIONAL FIRE EXTINGUISHERS THROUGHOUT THE THIRD FLOOR AREA. IN THE BENEFIT OF CARDIAC EMERGENCY AN AUTOMATED EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATOR IS NEXT TO THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE. THE PARTICIPANT IN THE COURTROOM RESPONSIBLE FOR DIALLING 911 IS CONNIE. IN THE EVENT OF EVACUATION OUR EGRESS DOWN THE ATRIUM STAIR EXITING PINE STREET. SHOULD IS THERE BE A NEED TO SHELTER IN PLACE. COURT ATTENDEES REMAIN IN THE COURTROOM DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE INCIDENT. THE DOORS WILL REMAIN SECURED UNTIL GIVEN FURTHER NOTICE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THE TOPICS FOR THIS COURT IS OCTOBER NATIONAL SUBSTANCE AWARENESS PREVENTION MONTH. THAT CONCLUDES MY BRIEFING. [F. PUBLIC HEARING] >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, AND PURSUANT TO THE AGENDA, THE NEUSES COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE DESIGNATION OF A REINVESTMENT ZONE. WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR THE CREATION ACCORDING TO THE STATUTORY TIME LINE OF THE ZONE FOR TEMPORARY TAX ABATEMENT AS SUBSEQUENT MEETING TO BE ESTABLISHED UNDER CHAPTER 312 OF THE TEXAS TAX CODE. THIS ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS ZONE IS REQUEST OF TESLA INC LOCATED WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF U.S. HIGHWAY 77 AND COUNTY ROAD 28 IN DRISCOLL NEUSES COUNTY TEXAS. THE FACILITY IS INTENDED TO MANUFACTURE LITHIUM BATTERIES. [00:05:01] I THINK I SHOULD SAY I READ THAT FAST. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO REPEAT ONE OF THE LINES HERE. THIS IS NOT THE MEETING WHERE WE WILL ESTABLISH ANY AGREEMENT OR ANY DISCUSSION OF ANY AGREEMENT REGARDING A CHAPTER 312. THIS IS THE MEETING THAT BE FOR THE DESIGNATION OF REINVESTMENT ZONE AFTER THE ACTION TAKEN BY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT THE ZONE IS NOW READY TO BE DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LAY OF THE LAND WITH REGARD TO WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT. WITH THAT, A PUBLIC HEARING CALLS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND I'VE GOT A LIST OF PEOPLE. SO I WILL CALL YOU IN THE ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP. THOSE OF YOU ONLINE, PLEASE KNOW THAT I'M WATCHING YOU. I SEE THAT YOU ALREADY INDICATED BY YOUR VIRTUAL HAND, THE ICON THAT YOU WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL CALL ON YOU SHORTLY. FOR THOSE IN THE ROOM ALWAYS LIKE TO GO OVER THE PROTOCOLS. THERE'S DIGITAL CLOCK THAT WILL BE DISPLACED AS YOU APPROACH THE DAIS. IT'S PURSUANT TO OUR RULES AND WE REALLY ALWAYS TRY TO DO A NICE JOB OF NOT INTERRUPTING YOU BUT WE ASK THAT YOU BE MINDFUL OF THE CLOCK. TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL THAT THERE'S OTHER THAT WILL BE FOLLOWING THE SAME TIME FRAME AND WE WELCOME YOU TO THIS COURT. AND I WILL BEGIN BY ASKING MR. CATHY FULTON TO START. FORGIVE ME MISS FULTON. ONE MORE GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT. ALSO, SOME OF YOU DIDN'T INDICATE -- IT JUST SAYS PUBLIC COMMENT. NO PROBLEM. BUT IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM JUST PLEASE KNOW YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO SPEAK AT THE TIME OF THE AGENDA ITEM. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REGULAR THAT IS. OR OF COURSE YOU'RE WELCOME AT THIS TIME AS WELL. THAT CONCLUDES THE HOUSEKEEPING. MISS FULTON, YOU MAY PROCEED. >> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING; CORRECT? >> YES. >> MY NAME THE CATHY FULTON. I WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS. BECAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS PUBLIC HEARING WAS NOTICED. ESPECIALLY FOR THE MUNICIPALITY MOST IMPACTED WHICH REALLY ISES ARCO AS WELL AS IT IS BISHOP. HOW MANY OF THESE RESIDENTS WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING? HAS THERE BEEN ANY PUBLIC MEETING HELD IN BISHOP FOR THAT MATTER? 313 ABATEMENTS WILL TERMINATE AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY ARE TERMINATING. BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE STARTED TO REALIZE EXACTLY WHAT A RIP OFF 313'S REALLY ARE. THERE'S -- THE CLAIM IS WHAT 60 MILLION WILL BE ABATED. IT WILL END UP BEING WELL MORE THAN THAT. THERE'S A REPORT COMING OUT TOMORROW. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CONSIDER HOLDING OFF ON ANY DECISIONS UNTIL SOME OF THESE REPORTS ARE RELEASED TOMORROW ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS WITH THE 313 ABATEMENTS AND HOW COMMUNITIES GET CHEATED OUT OF A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY. TESLA MADE 16.9 BILLION AND SOME CHANGE IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. TESLA IS A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY. AND I HONESTLY -- THEY ARE THE LAST ONES THAT NEED ABATEMENT. I'M SORRY IF ELOMUSK CAN'T BUILD ANOTHER ROCKET SHIP, THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM. OUR PROBLEM IS THE COMMUNITIES THEMSELVES AND THE COMMUNITIES MOST AFFECTED. I THINK TESLA NEEDS TO PAY ITS FAIR SHARE. NOW ON ENVIRONMENTAL I ALSO WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT -- THIS IS GOING TO BE REFINERY THAT WILL BE PROCESSING RAW LISTUM AND WILL LIKELY REQUIRE A PERMIT. HAVE THEY BEEN MADE AWARE. THE FACILITY WILL HAVE COOLING TOWERS AND WILL REQUIRE LARGE AMOUNTS OF WATER FOR THIS PROCESSING. WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO COME FROM. AFTER EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH WITH DROUGHTINGS AND RESTRICTIONS AND EVERYTHING. WE ARE NOT -- THEY NEED TO BRING THEIR OWN WATER. OR WE NEED TO ASK THESE [00:10:01] QUESTIONS. WHERE IS THE WATER COMING FROM. THE OTHER THING THEY WILL NEED IS WATER DISCHARGE PERMIT. WHICH WOULD THEN BE DISCHARGING MORE THAN LIKELY INTO OUR CREEKS AND SEE HOW MUCH DISCHARGE IS GOING INTO THAT CREEK AND ALL THAT DISCHARGE EVENTUALLY GETS TO THE BAYS. THIS DISCHARGE WILL FOREIGN MINERALS. THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR SYSTEM FAMILIAR WITH ALONG WITH OTHER CHEMICALS. WE HAVE GOT TO START PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR BAY SYSTEMS. I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OF BISHOP NEED TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS SO THEY ARE MADE AWARE. THANK YOU. >> WE'LL NEXT HEAR FROM AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY POINTED OUT AND HE'S RIGHT. WE'RE INSIDE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, OBVIOUSLY, THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THE REINVESTMENT ZONE. MR. MORRIS IS THAT YOUR COMMENT? [INAUDIBLE] >> I WILL NOTE IT AND THEN WE'LL CALL ON YOU IN BRA LITTLE BIT. HOW ABOUT IS IT MR. CHRIS FELAN? CHRIS FELAN. 3806 KINGSTON DRIVE CORPUS CHRISTY TEXTERS. COMMISSIONER MAREZ FIRST TIME YOU DEALT WITH ME WAS AT CCISD. YOU WERE A MEMBER OF THE BOARD. I WENT BEFORE AND OPPOSED POSTAL PINES 313. AND THAT WAS THE POINT WHERE WE REALIZED WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THESE 313 PROGRAMS. AND YOU AND I HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP EVER SINCE THEN BECAUSE OF THAT. BECAUSE THE MALDOF HAD TO SUE TEXAS TO GET ROBIN HOOD INSTATED TO CREATE THE CONDITIONS TO DISSEMINATE EDUCATION FUNDS CORRECTLY THROUGHOUT THE STATE. BECAUSE THE STATE OF TEXAS WAS NOT PROTECTING CHILDREN'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT HERE. THE STATE OF TEXAS WAS FOUND TO BE VIOLATING THOSE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND THE LEGISLATIVE FIX FOR THAT AND I APPRECIATE IF YOU LISTEN TO ME -- WAS ROBIN HOOD. THAT WAS THE ROBIN HOOD FIX. WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT ROBIN HOOD. ROBIN HOOD IS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE POOR MINORITY STUDENTS GET THEIR FAIR A LOTMENT OF EDUCATION FUNDS. COMMISSIONER MAREZ WHEN YOU VOTED FOR THAT 313, YOU STOLE MONEY FROM ROTHS TOWN. YOU STOLE IT FROM ROBSDOWN ISD. I CAN'T BE MAD AT THEM FOR WANTING THEIR OWN 313. THEY'VE GOT TWO, 313. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPTROLLER THERE'S NO JOBS. THE JOBS PROMISED FOR THOSE 2, 313, THEY ARE NOT THERE. THERE'S NO JOBS. THE JOBS THAT WERE PROMISED THEM ARE NOT THERE. YOU WILL CREATE THIS INVESTMENT ZONE AND THAT WILL DEPRIVE THE COMMUNITY OF THE TAX DOLLARS THAT IT NEEDS TO SUSTAIN ITSELF AS WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE ADA'S WITH THE REFINERIES. NOW THESE REFINERY ADA CORPUS CHRISTY ARE COMING UP TO BE RENEGOTIATED. WE EXPECT IT TO BE IN THE INTEREST OF THE TAX PAYERS. WE SEE A LARGE BURDEN PLACED ON THE TAX PAYERS AND PLACED ON THE SMALL BUSINESSES BUSINESSES HERE IN NEUSES COUNTY. AND THE SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THE INDUSTRY WATER BILLS. WE SEE THAT HAPPENING. WE KNOW THAT THE WATER IS NOT THERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE WATER. DON'T COME ASKING US WITH THINGS. COME AND WORK WITH US AND LET US TELL YOU WHAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS. WE HAVE SUPERFUND SITES. LET'S GO MITIGATE A SUPER FUND SILENT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GETTING THE WATER FROM THE INDUSTRIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PHASE OUT. BECAUSE WE'RE PHASING OUT OF THESE FOSSIL FUELS. AND WE DON'T HAVE MORE WATER FOR YOU. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. YOU KNOW I'M SPEAKING WITH TESLA. DON'T FORGET FOR REINVESTMENT ZONE. WE WOULD APPRECIATE MORE INFORMATION TOO. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS DOROTHY PENYA. >> DOROTHY PENYA, CORPUS [00:15:09] CHRISTY, TEXAS. THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHICH ARE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY IN CHILE KNOW THE CONSEQUENCE OF LITIUM MINING. SOON OUR SISTERS AND BROTHERS WILL KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF REFINING LITHIUM. WITH HEALTH EXPOSURE TO MERCURY AND THE OTHER CHEMICALS RELEASED INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES. THIS COMMUNITY IS PREDOMINANTLY MEXICAN AMERICAN OR COMMUNITY. COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE ASKED TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THE RECORD OF THE WORLD. FOR THOSE THAT CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO BUY AND ELECTRIC VEHICLE. ROSS TOWN IS NOT MY HOME PER SE. IT'S FLY SPIRITUAL HOME. IT IS THE PLACE WHERE WE GATHER. IT'S WHERE WE PRACTICE TRADITIONS OF ANCESTORS. IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEAK FOR MY FAMILY AND COMMUNITY. WE WANT A JUST TRANSITION. WE WANT CLEAN JOBS. WE WANT CLEAN ENERGY. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO COME AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS? ARE ELECTRIC CARS THE ANSWER? TO ME NO. >> IS TECHNOLOGY GOING TO SAVE US? IN MY OPINION NO. WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS THAT INVOLVE EXTRACTION AND HARM? WHY AREN'T WE BUILDING CITIES THAT ARE BICYCLE FRIENDLY. OR CITIES THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK WITHIN A MILE RAID YUM TO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO GO SO THAT ALL THEIR NEEDS ARE BEING MET? IT'S BECAUSE IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO MONEY BEING THE VALUE THAT GUIDES YOUR DECISION MAKING. IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE. IT'S NOT THE FUTURE. AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT FROM THE OPINIONS OF YOUR COMMUNITY. WHO IS SPEAKING WITH US? WHO IS TRYING TO GATHER IDEAS FROM THIS COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS PLACE? WHAT WE SEE ARE SOLUTIONS THAT DON'T HARM PEOPLE. THAT DON'T HARM THE ENVIRONMENT. WE'RE TIRED. I'M ALMOST 38 YEARS OLD. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO A JOB IN THIS WORLD WHERE I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M HARMING THIS PLACE OR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. IT'S VERY HARD TO DO. WE DO NOT THINK THIS LITIUM REFINERY IS GOOD IDEA FOR THE COMMUNITY OF ROBSTOWN CORPUS CHRISTY OR TEXAS. PLEASE STOP MAKING US SACRIFICE ZONES. WE'RE TIRED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM LOVE SANCHEZ. HI, LOVE SANCHEZ, CORPUS CHRISTY, TEXAS. I'M NOT PREPARED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. BUT IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION OUT THERE. I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED MORE INFORMATION. MORE TIMING FOR US TO GET MORE INFORMATION. AND IT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT TIRING THE WAY YOU PUT OUT PUBLIC NOTICINGS AND INFORMATION FOR US. AND I JUST GOING TO BIGGY BACK OFF OF DOROTHY. EVERYTHING SHE SAID IS TRUE. WE ARE GETTING TIRED OF IT. WE'RE TIRED OF TRYING TO EXERCISE OUR RIGHT AND TRYING TO PROTECT WATER HERE AND NOT KNOWING ENOUGH. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION OUT THERE. WE WANT TO KNOW MORE SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TALK WITH YOU ALL AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING REASONABLE THAT WE CAN DO FOR OUR CITY BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING NOWHERE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WILL GO ANYWHERE. WE NEED TO START TRYING TO PROTECT THIS AREA SO THAT THE LITTLE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE ONCE WE ARE GO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LIVE AND THRIVE HERE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE DAN -- IS IT HORTON? >> YOU WILL HOLD. >> OKAY. HOW ABOUT ANOTHER DAN VETTA. THEN I WILL MOVE ONLINE AND THEN COME BACK HERE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> I THINK IT'S A REALLY WONDERFUL THING THAT TESLA THINKING ABOUT BUILDING OVER HERE. THE ELECTRIC CAR STUFF IS CONTINUATION OF THAT [00:20:06] AUTOMOBILE INDUSTRY THE WAY IT EFFECTS JOBS AND GIVING JOBS TO PEOPLE. THE PROBLEM WITH -- WHAT'S GOING ON, SEEMS TO BE THAT WHILE TESLA ON THE ONE HAND IS TRYING TO WORRY A DYNAMIC NEW KIND OF CAR THEY ARE STILL BUILDING THEM THE OLD WAY. THEY ARE MANUFACTURING USING REPETITIVE ACTIONS BY THE EMPLOYEES. THEY'VE GOT ROBOTS. BUT THEN THE EMPLOYEES ARE STUCK IN THAT REPETITIVE ACTION KIND OF JOB. AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT -- ADAM SMITH SAID THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MAKE MONEY. YOU MAKE THE MOST PROFIT WHEN YOU DIVIDE LABOR THAT WAY. THE COROLLARY WAS THAT'S THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO TO A HUMAN AND BEINGS. IT MAKES THEM STUPID. THEY GO HOME AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD TO EXERCISE THEIR MIND TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC, I KNOW. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO WHEN YOU DO GET TO THAT POINT WITH TESLA, YOU HOLD THEM TO MODERNIZING EVERYTHING. NOT JUST THE KIND OF FUEL THAT A CAR RUNS ON. THEY STILL HAVE FOUR TIMES. COME ON. A CAR SHOULD HAVE ONE TIRE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ONLINE AND AGAIN I'M JUST WITCHING BACK HERE. CALL IT IN ORRER LISA HERNANDEZ. WE'LL ASK YOU TO UNMUTE. >> LISA, IT IS. I SEE YOU. JUST FOR THE RECORD. ANNOUNCE YOUR ADDRESS AND I'M FILLING IT IN ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT AS YOU ANNOUNCE. THEN WE START YOUR CLOCK. >> OKAY. L LISA, CORPUS, CHRISTY, TEXAS. I UNFORTUNATELY WAS UNABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING TODAY. I'M BEING THIS VIRTUALLY. I'M HIGHLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF SUCH A DEVELOPMENT IN ROBSTOWN. THE WATER ISSUE HAS ALREADY BEEN RACED. I READ IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. ITS TALKS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE NEW PROCESS. THERE'S ONLY ONE NEW PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND THAT WAS SURPRISINGLY BY THE MAN WHO RECEIVED AN ELON MUSK100,000 GIFT. THIS MAN ALSO HAPPENED TO BE INVESTED HEAVILY IN TESLA. HIS SYSTEM THE NORMALLY REALLY SAFE WHEN DONE ON A SMALL SCALE. HE'S GOT A SMALL SCALE OF IT A MODEL OF IT IN, IN AUSTIN. IT'S NOT BEEN DONE LARGE SCALE. NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT HAS BEEN DONE. WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE SLAG. WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE REFUGE. A COOLING TOWER AND WATER TREATMENT PLANT, AGAIN, WHERE IS THE WATER GOING TO COME FROM? ELECTRO-PHORESIS. IT CALLS FOR ELECTRICITY. WILL TESLA BUILD THEIR OWN POWERPOINT HERE LIKE THEY. THE LIVESTOCK AROUND THE AREA, IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THE RUN OFFEN IF THERE'S A WATER TREATMENT PLANT. THE CROPS IN THE AREA COULD BE RUINED. ELECTROPHORESIS. HELLO YOU CAN'T GROW CROPS IN SALTY SOIL. I ASK THAT THE COMMISSIONER PLEASE FIND MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS. BEFORE MAKING ANY SORT DECISION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NOW WE'LL HAVE JULIE ROGERS. >> JULIE, ARE YOU HERE TO VISIT WITH US ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. >> I AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WOULD YOU ANNOUNCE YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL. >> I LIVE 79 FORMAN. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING. I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN, THOUGH AND I JUST REALLY [00:25:02] JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT I WE NEED FOR INFORMATION. I'M ASKING THAT YOU DELAY THE DECISION AND TWO EXACTLY THAT. THE NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE CALLARD TIMES ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, 7 DAYS BEFORE THE HEARING. AND THEN THE DEADLINE FOR WRITTEN COMMENT WAS SET A NOON ON WHICH ONLY GAVE US FOUR DAYS TO GIVE THE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT. WHY YOU GIVE US THE VIRTUAL CAPABILITY WHICH I APPRECIATE AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO GET TO THE COURTROOM, THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TIME SO FAR THERE'S BEEN WHAT? ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX PEOPLE. WE NEED MORE INPUT FROM ROBSTOWN AND BISHOP SPOKES. THE REST OF NOISES COUNTY. I COULDN'T THEM WHAT THE COMMISSIONER BUSHED AND YOU SET UP THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THERE WAS ONE TIME THAT A FELLOW FROM ROB TOWN REALIZED HIS PRECINCT WOULD BE CUT IN HALF. HE GAVE PUBLIC INPUT. YOU DIDN'T PERMIT THE PLEA VIKT IN THAT TIME TO GIVE IN THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM RACHEL GAVIARA. I WILL PUT YOU TWICE. CAN YOU SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE SO I CAN PREPARE. I WILL PUT YOU TWICE IN THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THIS IS TESLA REINVESTMENT ZONING. GOOD AFTERNOON ELECTED EMPLOYEES. LET'S NOT FORGET YOU SALARIES ARE PAID BY THE TAX PAYERS. NOT BY TESLA OR ANYONE ELSE. IN CASE YOU NEED TO FOCUS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT THE TESLA IT MEANS NO. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO REZONE THIS TO ACCOMMODATE TESLA JUST TO BE CLEAR. I HAVE A REALLY BIG ISSUE WITH THIS. BECAUSE IF WE HAD A COUNTY GOVERNING BODY IN A CITY GOVERNING BODY THAT COULD ACTUALLY GET ALONG AND COMMUNICATE PROPERLY. YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A DEMAND ON OUR POWER GRID AND THERE'S ALSO A DEMAND ON OUR WATER RESOURCES. APPROVING THIS REZONING MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TWO GOVERNMENT BODIES THAT CAN GET ALONG AND SPEAK WELL WITH EACH OTHER. THAT WAY WE KNOW THESE ARE ISSUES SO WE CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE TESLA COME IN AND PUT A STRAIN ON OUR RESOURCES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SHOVING DOWN OUR THROATS IS -- IT'S UNDER COPIOUS AMOUNT OF STRAIN DUE TO INDUSTRY. LET'S REMEMBER THOSE THINGS WHILE WE'RE OUT CAMPAIGNING. YOU WILL HAVE TITLE COMPANIES IN HERE AND INSURANCE COMPANIES SAYING THIS WILL BE A GREAT IDEA. I WILL BRING IN THIS THAT OR THE OTHER MOST OF THE TITLE AND INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN RECEIVING PROFIT FOR THEIR BUSINESSES. LET'S SEE. ALSO I WANT TO TOUCH ON THE MEETING INFORMATION. AS MUCH AS WE APPRECIATE YOU PUBLICIZING THIS ON THE CALLARD TIMES. IT HAS MINIMAL TO NO READERS. I WOULD LIKE A BETTER ANNOUNCEMENT WHENEVER WE WILL HAVE SPECIAL MEETING. 15 SPECIAL MEETING THIS YEAR TELLS ME ONE OF TWO THINGS. ONE YOU ARE NOT PRIORITIZING YOUR REGULAR MEETING PROPERLY. THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. OR YOU'RE TRYING TO SNEAK SOME THING IN THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF. LET'S REFRAIN ON THE SPECIAL IMMEDIATINGS. THERE WAS THREE IN ONE MONTH. THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. YOU NEED TO REEVALUATE YOUR PRIORITIES. I MEAN, ON THIS 313 ABATEMENTS, YOU GUYS ARE -- ONLY OF YOU HAVE THE SPIN OF BEING MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND CERTAIN THINGS. I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TAX PRAYER. WE CANNOT SUBSIDIZE ANYONE. WE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR OUR INDUSTRY. OUR TAX RATES ARE ALTERNATE ASTRO NOM KA WE ALSO HAVE INFLATION WHICH IRDON'T KNOW [00:30:01] IF IF YOU ARE EFFECTED BY THAT. YOU CAN'T SIFON MONEY FROM THE TAX PAYERS. I WOULD APPRECIATE SOME THOUGHTS SOME EMPATHY AND HOW THIS WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE PEOPLE OF ROBSTOWN, BISHOP AND THAT AREA. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M THE CEO OF THE CORPUS CHRISTY REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION HERE IN THE REGION. AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THEM. 800 NORTH SHORELINE. SUITE 1300 SOUTH CHORPUS 78401. I WANT TO TOUCH ON QUICKLY CHAPTER 313'S. IT'S A WAY TO ENTICE COMPANIES TO COME TO TEXAS. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WE ARE COMPETING. EVERY ONE OF THESE JOBS, EVERY ONE OF THESE FACTORIES REARE COMPETING FOR ON NOT ONLY A NATIONAL STAGE BUT AN INTERNATIONAL STAGE. THE OTHER PART, REMEMBER WE TALK ABOUT ROBSTOWN. THIS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD FOR ROBSTOWN. THEY VOTED ISD VOTED TO ACCEPT THIS. THAT DO IT FOR A FEW REASONS. NUMBER ONE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS FACTORY THERE FOR 50 YEAR. S THEY GET THE INS PORTION OF THE TAX PUT THE MNO AND THEY GET MONEY EQUAL TO 100 PER ADA AVERAGE DAILY ATTENDANCE IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE TEXAS SCHOOL FINANCING AND SO THEY CAN DO THAT. THEY THEY WILL HAVE A GREAT COMPANY THAT HAS GREAT JOBS. LET'S JUST TALK QUICK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE. ALL YOU ARE DOING IS JUST CREATING A REINVESTMENT ZONE. IT IS A GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION WHERE ALL YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT THIS IS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AND WE ARE MAKING IT ELIGIBLE FOR 313'S OR ANY OTHER INVESTMENT OR INCENTIVE. THAT OTHER AGENCY ALSO DO. THAT'S ALL THEY DO TODAY. THEY LAST FOR FIVE YEARS. REASON YOU ARE DOING TO APPROPRIATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS WILL BRING GREAT PAYING JOBS. YOU FORGET ABOUT HOW JOBS COME INTO THE COMMUNITY. REMEMBER BACK IN THE 80S AS THEY STARTED SLOWING DOWN. TELL ME HOW GREAT IT WAS. I LEFT FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS -- UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS 1975. WE WERE BIGGER THAN AUSTIN. I CAME BACK HERE 30 WE WENT FROM 254 TO 277. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE COMPANIES LIKE THIS. YOU THIS IS HOW YOU WILL DO THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE CERTAINLY SUPPORT THIS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MR. IAN VASEY. THEY PASSED A UNANIMOUSLY 313 TAX. THIS ALLOWS THEM TO PURSUE. THIS COUNTY IS BEING ASKED TO CREATE THE REINVESTMENT ZONE THAT ALLOWS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO DO WHAT THEY WISH TO DO FOR THEIR FINANCING PURPOSES. IT'S NOT PASSING ANYTHING FROM THE COUNTY. IT'S SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN MANAGE THEIR FINANCES. 313'S ARE VERY -- THE WHOLE THING OF COOL FINANCES IS STRANGE ANIMAL. THERE'S A THING CALLED ROBIN HOOD. WHERE THEY MAY GET MAJOR INVESTMENT LOCATED IN THEIR [00:35:03] DISTRICT. MOST OF THE SCHOOL REVENUES, THE TAX REVENUES WILL BE PASSED OUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS. THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO IS FACING THAT GROWTH DOESN'T GET TO KEEP MOST OF THAT REVENUE. 90% CAN GO OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY. BE SPREAD TO EL PASO AND AMARILLO. THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT DOESN'T GET TO KEEP THAT. WITH THE TAX LIMITATION AGREEMENT ON 313 ROBSTOWN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP MOST OF THOSE REVENUES IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AS AN EXAMPLE IN A NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY. WHEN A SCHOOL DISTRICT DID SIMILAR AGREEMENT. ALLOWS THEM TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL. THE ONE IN SIMPSON BUILDING A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL THE REVENUES FROM ONE OF THE 313. AND THEY DO IT OUT OF THE CASH. THAT'S THE REASON THAT THE 313 AND SCHOOL TAX FINANCES ARE VERY DIFFICULT AND COMPLICATE THING ON THE SURFACE DOESN'T LOOK -- YOU CAN MAKE SWEEPING STATEMENTS. BUT IN REALITY THEY STUDIED THESE VERY CLOSELY. THEY RUN THE NUMBERS AND ASSESS WHAT IS IN THE FINANCIAL ADVANTAGES TO THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEING PROPOSED TODAY. AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY LARGE COMPANY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT LEAST 150 WELL PAYING JOBS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEING POTENTIALLY NORTH OF 400 MILLION DOLLARS IN INVESTMENTS. NOT A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER. WELL WITHIN THE WATER ALLOCATION AND BEING ABLE TO ADOPT THAT. WE WILL HAVE FUTURE HEARING AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ALL OF THE OTHER PIECES OF THE DEAL. TODAY IT'S JUST TESLA REINVESTMENT ZONE WE'RE DISCUSSING. THIS -- FROM NCDC PERSPECTIVE A POSITIVE AND VERY FORWARD LOOKING NEW ENERGY, NEW MANUFACTURING ADVANCED MANUFACTURER TYPE OF PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE THAT I'VE NOTED FOR A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM. BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO MAKE. I WILL SIGN YOU. I RECOGNIZE CAROLYN VAUGHN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOU ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER TODAY. I CAN KIND OF SEE BOTH SIDES HERE. I AM A BIG SUPPORTER OF BUSINESS. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT TESLA COMING. I THINK THAT WILL HAVE ROBSTOWN AND BISHOP AND ALSO CORPUS CHRISTY. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS KNOW. JUDGE, YOU REMEMBER EPIC. THE BIG TANKS IN CALL COAST. THAT WAS DONE BEFORE GOT HERE. THE CITIZENS DIDN'T KNOW. IT'S SO IMPORTANT THE CITIZENS KNOW YOU CAN'T JUST PUT A LITTLE SIGN UP. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S IN YOUR AREA YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT I SUPPORT IT. ANOTHER CONCERN THAT THEY HAD ALSO WE HAVE A LOT OF FARMERS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE ARE PUTTING IN HERE AND WHAT EFFECT THAT WILL HAVE ON IT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MISS CAMPOS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO FOLLOW? >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUDGE, AND COMMISSIONERS. 4410 ROAD. THIS FEELS REALLY RUSHED. I THANK GOODNESS THAT WE HAVE FRIENDS GROUP CALLED FOR THE GREAT GOOD. IF I WEREN'T FOR CHRIS, WE WOULDN'T KNOW. WE'RE THE SO-CALLED BUSINESS. WE'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. BUT I MUST SAY THIS, YES, TOMORROW WILL BE A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING AT LEAST 312 AND 313'S AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO TEXAS IN THE PAST. AND HOW MUCH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE HAVE BEEN LOSING. WE'RE SUBSIDIZING MULTIBILLION-DOLLAR INDUSTRIES. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT TESLA MIGHT LOCATE SOMEWHERE ELSE? >> THAT'S POSSIBLE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY ALSO KNOW WHEN IT'S A GOOD THING. WE ARE GOOD THING. IF THEY WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH US. THEY NEED TO DO IT PROPERLY. WE NEED TO GET 100% OF REVENUE THAT -- THAT WE ARE ENTITLED TO, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. WE NEED TO STOP DOING GIVE AWAYS. I HEARD THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING WE HEARD THIS ON THE DESALNATION. HERE WE GO SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND NOW WE'RE ON THAT TRACK. I'M SORRY I'M GETTING SIDETRACKED. BUT I JUST WANT -- I WANT YOU AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE AT THE OWNED OF THE DAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL ASK YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, [00:40:01] WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON. ON THE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE? OR ARE YOU ON THE SIDE OF BIG CORPORATIONS? AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT VOTE. YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES CINDY BERETTA. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANT TO SPEAK -- I AM PROUD TO REPRESENT YOU NEUSES COUNTY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AS THEIR CHAIRWOMAN. I'M ALSO A TAX PAYER AND MOTHER. I KNOW A LOT OF SPEAKERS HAVE COME TO EXPRESS CONCERNS. AND, OF COURSE, THERE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNS. BUT THE CONCERN I HEAR MOST IS THAT WE HAVE FALLEN MIND. WE HAVE FALLEN BEHIND IN WAGES. WE'VE FALLEN BEHIND IN JOB OPPORTUNITIES. WE FALLEN BEHIND IN JUST QUALITY OF LIFE. AND SO I COMMEND THE COURT FOR SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO BRING TO ALLOW TESLA TO COME TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE HEARD ABOUT INFLATION AND VARIOUS CONCERNS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE COURT, THAT THE FIRE OF YOU ELECTED WOULD MAKE A DECISION THAT WOULD IMPACT OR COMPROMISE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR FAMILIES. THAT'S WHY WE ENTRUSTED YOU. THIS WILL BRING ALEVEATION TO CONCERNS. INFLATION IS A BIG ISSUE. WE NEED BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR JOBS TO HAVE HIGHER PAYING JOBS. AND FOR OUR CHILDREN TO WANT TO STAY IN NEUSES COUNTY. WE HAVE GREAT KIDS. WE'RE WORKING ON ALWAYS GIVING THEM BETTER OPPORTUNITIES. WHY DO THEY HAVE TO LEAVE CORPUS OR NEUSES COUNTY TO FIND BETTER JOBS. THIS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY OF A COMPANY. YES, IT'S FOREIGN. I KNOW THE UNPHONE SCARES PEOPLE. IT'S TIME FOR NEUSES COUNTY TO TAKE PART AND HAVE THOSE BIG COMPANIES WE ARE PROUD THAT AMAZON IS HERE. TESLA, YES, ANOTHER WELL-KNOWN NAME. I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS COURTROOM TODAY REPRESENTS THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY. I THINK WE WANT PROGRESS IN NEUSES COUNTY AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. JOHN VAULT. I WILL SIGN YOU UP. YOU JUST HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. SERVE AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ROBSTOWN REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. WE'RE 500 NORTH I-69 SWEET 325 IN ROBSTOWN, TEXAS. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT. AND TO REPRESENT THE THE ROBS TOWN REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. JUST TO REMIND THE ECONOMICSER'S COURT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT APPROVED A 313 APPLICATION ON AUGUST THE 22ND. WHAT YOU ARE DOING TODAY IS A PROCEDURE THAT WAS REQUESTED OF YOU FROM THE ROBSTOWN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. I'VE SPOKEN WITH MAYOR GOMEZ AND HE'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. A LOT OF FOLKS IN ROBSTOWN ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THIS PROJECT FALLS RIGHT IN BETWEEN THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN AND DRINSCOL. I'VE ALWAYS SPOKEN TO THE MAYOR AND HE'S EXCITED. ON AUGUST 22ND, IN ROBSTOWN THE ROBSTOWN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT DID CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE AGREEMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WERE AT THE ROBSTOWN MEETING. I WANTED TO REMIND FOLKS THAT IS COMMUNITY IS EXCITED ABOUT IT. THERE'S GOOD POINTS ABOUT RESOURCESED. TESLA IS NOT TO PUT A STRAIN ON RESOURCES. I'VE BEEN TOO THE PLANT IN AUSTIN. AND I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WHOLE TEAM AT TESLA. THEY GENERATE THEIR OWN POWER. THEY RECLAIM THEIR WATER THROUGH RAIN HARDENING ALL OF THESE -- MANY OF THESE ASKED TODAY WILL BE ADDRESSED BY TESLA REPRESENTATIVES WHEN THEY PUT FORTH THEIR 312 AGREEMENT WITH THE NEUSES COUNTY. BUT TODAY IT'S MAINLY JUST PROCEDURAL ITEM OF CREATING THE REINVESTMENT ZONE WHICH IS COMMISSIONER'S COURTS ASKED TO DO BY THE ROBSTOWN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. YOU SPELLED OUT VERY WELL. I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE ECONOMIC NUMBERS. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AND THE FOLKS IN ROBSTOWN ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT. AS I SAID, TESLA WILL PUT FORTH 312 AGREEMENT. A LOT OF QUESTIONS WILL BE ADDRESSED THANK YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. >> THANK YOU. I WAS WATCHING EVERYBODY'S [00:45:10] HANDS HERE. YES, SIR. >> IF YOU WOULD ANNOUNCE FOR US. AND I WILL FOLLOW BY WRITING IT HERE IN MY BOOK. >> I'M DAVID PETRICK. I'M THE TREASURE FOR DEL MAR COLLEGE. WE'RE WORKING ON THE EFFORT OF TRYING TO GET ROBSTOWN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT ANNEXED INTO THE DEL MAR COLLEGE DISTRICT. WE'RE ALSO -- I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I ALSO OWN TWO EMPTY OFFICE BUILDING IN ROBSTOWN. ROBSTOWN FOR DEL MAR COLLEGE AND MYSELF ARE EXCITED ABOUT TESLA COMING TO ROBSTOWN. ROBSTOWN HAS A MEDIAN INCOME OF $35,000. CORPUS CHRISTY IS $55,000. THE MEDIAN HOUSE VALUE IN 200,000. THIS WILL BE A SOMETHING THAT CAN BRING ROBSTOWN UP AND MAKE IT EQUAL WITH CORPUS CHRISTY. ALSO I THINK IF THIS IS APPROVED, I THINK DEL MAR COLLEGE IF WE WENT THIS BATTLE TO BECOME PART OF THE DEL MAR COLLECT DISTRICT. DEL MAR COLLEGE COULD DESIGN A PROGRAM TO FEED INTO THE TESLA EMPLOYMENT BASE. I JUST THINK -- IT WORKS OUT WELL FOR CORPUS CHRISTY AND ROBSTOWN AND TESLA AND ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES AROUND ROBSTOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> HAVING CONCLUDED THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, I WOULD ASK IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS, OR THOUGHTS THAT NEED TO BE ARTICULATED HERE? >> ARE WE GOING TO -- SINCE EVERYBODY IS HERE FOR THIS. WILL WE DISCUSS. I WANT YOU TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I'M GOING TO -- BE NICE TO DO IT WHILE EVERYONE IS HERE. SO THEY HEAR EVERYTHING. >> THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN TO GET ACCOMPLISHED HERE BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO THEM FAIRLY QUICKLY. >> I'M SORRY, I MEANT THE NUMBER ONE. THE AGENDA ITEM. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARITY. THEN IN THAT CASE, I CAN MOVE ON. I WOULD SAY THAT WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE COMMENT THAT IN THE AGENDA WHAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY THE REFERRING ITEM ONE IT CONSIDERED ADOPTION FOR THE REINVESTMENT ZONE. BUT WE WILL GET TO THAT ONCE -- ONCE WE DO A FEW THINGS INCLUDING APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND CONSENT AGENDA. I THOUGHT THE LAST SPEAKER -- THE LAST COUPLE OF SPEAKERS HELPED IDENTIFY WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE DOING HERE. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MYSELF THAT I THINK THAT PUBLIC NOTICE IS IMPORTANT, COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMMUNITY IS EXTRA IMPORTANT. THAT FOR ME IS PARAMOUNT. ONE OF THE NICE THINGS HERE IS THAT WE'RE NOT AT THAT STAGE YET. WHEN THE COUNTY GETS ASKED TO DO SOMETHING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SUFFICIENT. AT LEAST I WILL PROMOTE SUFFICIENT PUBLIC TOWN HALLS AND HEARING. BOTH ONLINE VIRTUAL, LIKE WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER SIGNIFICANT MATTERS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THIS COURT ALONG WITH REGIONAL TOWN HALLS. THAT MEANS WE WILL MOVE AROUND. WE WON'T JUST STAY STILL IN ONE POSITION. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING TODAY IS TO RECOGNIZE. I WILL EMPHASIZE, AGAIN, IS THAT ROBSTOWN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION WAS STATE OF TEXAS WHOSE CONTROL IS REST WITH THEIR BOARD MEMBERS. THEY HAVE HAD THEIR SAY AND THEY HAVE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE A 313. WE DON'T GET TO CHANGE THAT FACT. BUT WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED OF US IS TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE REINVESTMENT ZONE TO OCCUR. THAT'S ALL. WHAT IT IS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE MAPS OUTSIDE THAT WE PLACED ONLINE AS WELL. THIS IS A SITE THAT WE HAVE [00:50:06] DELINEATED ON THE MAP. IT'S NOT IN THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN. AND IT'S NOT IN THE CITY OF DRISCOL. IT'S IN NEUSES UNINCORPORATED. THAT'S WHY OUR ISD GOT TO HAVE THEIR OWN SAY, THEIR OWN CONTROL OVER IT. THEY DID THAT BACK IN AUGUST. AND IF IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE TO YOU, WE DIDN'T KNOW EITHER. OKAY. WE WEREN'T ASKED TO ATTEND. WE WERE NOT ASKED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION OR COMMENT. BUT I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE ELECTED TO SERVE AND THEY HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. NOW THAT THEY'VE DONE IT. IT'S INCUMBENT ON THIS COURT PER THE STATUE THAT WE'VE CITED IN THE AGENDA TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT IF AND ONLY IF, RIGHT, THE COMPANY WERE TO CHOOSE AND COME. IT WOULD THEN BE APPLICABLE. THIS JUST GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE RISD TO MAKE GOOD ON WHAT THEY VOTED ON. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED. TO SAY THAT IT'S MINISTERIAL IS PROBABLY NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE. BUT AS CLOSE TO MINUTED A MINUTE STEERIAL AS IT COULD BE. I WANT SAY I AGREE WITH EACH OF THE SPEAKERS. THAT HAVE COMFORT TO ASK FOR ALL THOSE GOOD PIECES OF INFORMATION. THAT ANY GOVERNING BODY SHOULD ASK. I WROTE THIS THEM DOWN. I WAS LISTENING AND WRITING. I HAVE -- AND YOU CAN SEND TO MY OFFICE ANY MORE WASTE PRODUCT, WATER, POWER, ENVIRONMENT, AGRICULTURE, AND PUBLIC MESSAGING. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I HAVE. I ALWAYS USUALLY GO BACK AND REVIEW TAPE TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE SAY. SO I CAN MAKE SURE I GET IT ALL. AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT STEP IF WE GET THERE AT ALL, I CAN COMMIT TO YOU THAT IT WOULD BE A STRONG PROPONENT AS I HAVE BEEN FOR ALL OF THE OTHER IMPORTANT MATTERS, THE ONE THAT I CAN GIVE YOU THE MOST I GUESS RELEVANCE THAT WAS RECENT WAS OUR DRAINAGE. WHERE WE HELD OVER -- TO DATE 7 MEETINGS IN 7 DIFFERENT AREAS. NOT TO MENTION ALL THE HEARINGS WE'VE HAD HERE AND WORKSHOPS. THERE'S PRESS PRECEDENCE FOR WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR. SHARE AS INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE AND SLIS SOLICIT INFORMATION. NOW WE CAN MAKE A REAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT A REALITY. AGAIN, THIS IS SO DIFFERENT THAN -- THAN THAT OTHER. WITH THAT I WILL CONVENE. >> ARE YOU GOING -- I WILL DO THE MINUTES. IT TAKES NO TIME AT ALL. FOR THAT WE'LL CONVENE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO THIS FORMALLY, GUYS WITH THE GAVEL. AND NOT BECAUSE WE'RE ARCHAIC BUT IN THE PROCESS OF LETTING THE PEOPLE KNOW WE ARE DONE NOW. IT'S 2:56 P.M. FOR THE RECORD. COMMISSIONERS, QUICKLY, I WILL MOVE PAST THE GENERAL INFORMATION REPORT. WHEN WE POSTED ON FRIDAY. WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE HURRICANE NAMED IAN MIGHT BE EFFECTING THE WESTERN GULF. IT DIDN'T EFFECT THE WESTERN GULF. ALTHOUGH I ALWAYS BELIEVE INFORMATION REPORTS ARE IMPORTANT. I WILL HOLD FOR NOW. [I. Accept the following Minutes:] AND ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AT THE OWNED OF THE MEETING. AND I WILL MOVE ON TO SEPTEMBER 7TH AT 14TH MINUTE SECTION I. >> SO MOVED. >> IS THERE A SECOND? [2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.] >> MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY "AYE." >> AYE. >> FIRST CONSENT AGENDA ITEM THOROUGHLY VETTED FOR EXPEDIENCY HERE. ITEMS A THROUGH H. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS A THROUGH H ON CONSENT. THE PAYMENT OF BILLS, EXCUSE OF SERVICE AGREEMENT MATERIALS. MOTION. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> MOTION AND A SECOND. GONZALEZ HAS THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN [1. Discuss and consider adopting an Order Designating the Tesla Reinvestment Zone #1 within Nueces County, Texas as a reinvestment zone, pursuant to the Property Redevelopment and Tax Abatement Act, Chapter 312 of the Texas Tax Code, to be located west of the intersection of U.S. Highway 77 and County Road 28 in Driscoll, Nueces County, Texas. The facility is intended to manufacture lithium batteries.] FAVOR SAY "AYE." >> OKAY. AND NOW WE'LL MOVE TO THE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING THE ORDER OF THE TESLA REINVESTMENT ZONE. [00:55:01] I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL MISS DORSEY BECAUSE WE NOTICED IT FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. OUR ATTORNEY IN SUCH MATTERS. DO YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS ANY LEGAL ACTION AT ALL OR LEGAL PROCESS. CAN IT ALL BE DONE HERE? >> I HAVE NOT BEEN INFORMED OF ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE JUDGE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MISS GOMEZ. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE THAT WE MAY NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE DISCUSSION TO DISCUSS TOWN LEGAL FRONT. >> NO, JUDGE. AGREE. >> THEREFORE I WILL YIELD TO COMMISSIONER CHESNEY WHO HAD A THOUGHT, COMMENT, QUESTION. >> THANKS, JUDGE. >> FIRST QUESTION I GUESS FOR THESE PURPOSES IS ANYONE HERE FROM TESLA TODAY? >> THERE'S NO PRESENTATION TODAY. THERE'S AVAILABILITY IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT THERE'S NO PRESENTATION BECAUSE THERE'S -- THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING. THIS IS IN SUPPORT OUR ISD, 313. THEIR TIME WILL COME. >> THEIR TIME WILL COME. >> AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS. SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. IT WAS FAST. IT WAS FAST FOR US TOO. SO FAST THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF OVERWHELMING QUITE FRANKLY. BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES SITUATION LIKE THESE ARE -- THEY ARE RECRUITING. THEY ARE WORK. THEY ARE LOOKED AT. THEN WE GET THEM. THEN IT'S SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEY PERCOLATE. I HATE TO SAY IT -- FELL IN OUR LAP. BUT IT DID FALL IN OUR LAP. NO DISRESPECT FOR THOSE WHO WORKED HARD FOR IT. THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD ARGUE THE 313 ARE SET TO EXPIRE. A LOT OF COMPANIES ARE TRYING TO GET UNDER THE WIRE ON THE 313'S. AND SO THE FACT THAT WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY WHETHER IT ENDS UP BEING AN OPPORTUNITY WE END UP GETTING OR NOT. WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS CAME FAST NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WORKING ON THIS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS. TESLA FILED APPLICATION. TESLA MADE CONTACT WITH US. FIRST ROBSTOWN SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY MADE CONTACT THROUGH INTERMEDIARIES WITH US. AS SOON AS THEY WERE READY TO PUT IT ON THEED A. WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. WE HAPPENED TO HAVE MEETING SET. THERE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE A MEETING. WE HAD ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE HANDLED. WE ALLOWED ROOM FOR TESLA TO BE ON HERE TODAY. WE TALKED ABILITY SPECIFICALLY IN CASE THEY WERE READY. THE ATTORNEY MADE CONTACT COUNTY MANAGER. I GET IT. AND I'M SUPER NERVOUS ABOUT DOING IT THAT FAST TOO. ACCEPT WHEN I EXPLANATION. THIS BEEN THROUGH ROBSTOWN. THEY APPROVE THE 313. THIS IS PROVIDING MECHANISM. THERE'S NO DETAILS DONE TODAY. THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME. PLENTY OF TIME. I'M SURE IT NEEDS TO GET DONE QUICKLY. THERE'S TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT THE JUDGE REFERENCED AND THAT WERE REQUESTED. THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THOSE HAPPEN. BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NEED TO WEIGH IN. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE BODY THAT AS THE JUDGE AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, THAT IT'S COMPELLING TO ME ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT SIT IN ROBSTOWN THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY THE MAYOR OF DRISCOL IS ONBOARD. THE SCHOOL BOARD IS ONBOARD. NOT REPRESENT THOUGH PEOPLE TOO. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM THIS THE MOST. I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS TO ALLOW THE PROCESS TO WORK TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO ALLOW ROBSTOWN TO BE ABLE TO FINISH WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. ALLOW TESLA TO PROVE TO THE COMMUNITY THEY ARE GOING TO BE A GOOD CORPORATE PARTNER AND TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS 313 WHICH I BELIEVE SET TO EXPIRE ATTEND OF THE YEAR, WHICH I GET THAT, THAT'S A CONTROVERSIAL DEVICE. MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE IT. IT'S AN AVAILABLE TOOL AT THE MOMENT. IT'S ONLY AN AVAILABLE TOOL THROUGH THE OWNED OF THE YEAR. I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT. AND I THINK TO SAY NO AT THIS JUNCTURE WOULD BE NEGLIGENT IN OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. I DON'T REPRESENT ROBSTOWN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU REPRESENT AN AREA OR NOT. THAT'S STILL MY COUNTY. THOSE ARE STILL PEOPLE THAT I CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY AND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING SO FAR ARE SAYING WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE. I DON'T DISCOUNT WHAT YOU SAID. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. [01:00:03] WE LOOK AND WORK AND PLACE IN ROBSTOWN AND GIVE THEM YES DEFERENCE. I KNOW THAT WASN'T A QUESTION. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THINGS LIKE THIS SO YOU UNDERSTAND WE HEAR YOU. THIS DID COME FAST. I DON'T LIKE THAT IT'S THIS FAST. THE EXPIRATION OF 313 IS REASON IT CAME FAST. BUT, HEY, WE'RE LUCKY IN MY OPINION TESLA REACHED OUT TO US. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK SUPER HARD ON THIS YET. A LOT OF DEVIL IN THE DETAILS. TESLA GIVES CREDIT FOR BRINGING THIS TOOL TO NEUSES COUNTY. THEY DIDN'T GO OUT AND SOLICIT TESLA. THEY CAME TO US ROBSTOWN FIRST TO US. YEAH. IT'S A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY. WHEN I CAME BACK FROM COLLEGE. ALL WE TALKED ABOUTS HOW DO WE GET SOME OF THESE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES TO COME TO CORPUS CHRISTY. HOW DO WE GET THEM HERE. WE IMMEDIATE -- NEED TO REASON. WE NEED TO WATCH AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK IF THERE'S -- IF THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME TESLA FOLKS HERE SOMEWHERE. IF THEY WANT TO COME AND TALK. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM THEM AND GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE -- IT WOULD ADVANTAGEOUS TO PUT A FACE WITH A NAME. I KNOW WE HAD DIFFERENT LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION WITH TESLA. I FINALLY GOT AHOLD OF SOMEONE. SOMEONE CONNECTED ME WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE TESLA FOLKS WHEN WE CAN. I DO THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT, JENNY FOR YOU TO LAY OUT OR -- WHAT HAPPENS. WHAT HAPPENS NOW. WHEN DO THE HEARING HAPPEN. SO PEOPLE CAN LIKE REST ASSURED THAT WE'RE HEARING THEM ON BEING HEARD. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE HEARD. WE WANT TO TAKE THE TIME. AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE IN COMPETITION WITH OTHER CITIES AND STATES FOR THIS THING. AND -- FOR THIS PROPOSAL THAT THEY MADE TO US THAT WE APPRECIATE. AND WE NEED TO MOVE IN A REASONABLE MANNER NOT RUSHING BUT ALSO NOT DELAYING. DO YOU HAVE -- >> I THINK CINDY GOMEZ ON THE LINE IS THE EXPERT IN THIS AREA. >> YEAH. I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU AND EVERYONE THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. AND ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE, WOULD BE IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER -- IF THE COUNTIES GOING TO CONSIDER GIVING THE TAX ABATEMENT WHICH IS A 312 RATHER THAN 313. 313 PROCESS GOES THROUGH IT'S OWN PROCESS HANDLED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT THE 312 AT THE BARE MINIMUM IF YOU DO ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER DUE DILIGENCE WHICH IT SOUNDS TO ME FROM THE COURT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A 30-DAY NOTICE FOR POSTING AND INFORMATION REGARDING THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, AT LEAST ONE JUST LIKE THIS THAT HAS BEEN POSTED AND NOTICED FOR 30 DAYS. AT THE BARE MINIMUM; IF YOU DID NOTHING ELSE YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO DO THAT 30-DAY LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW AND HAVING ANOTHER HEARING LIKE THIS. WHICH YOU WOULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF WHAT YOU WOULD BE GRANTING THE COMPANY IN THE ACTUAL ABATEMENT AGREEMENT AND ALSO WHAT YOU WOULD BE REQUIRING FROM THE COMPANY AS PART OF THAT ABATEMENT AGREEMENT. WHAT MOST FOLKS DO AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD REQUIRE IS GENERAL DUE DILIGENCE ON THE TAX ABATEMENT AGREEMENT. THAT CAN AND DOES INCLUDE REVIEWING THE PROPOSED JOB NUMBERS. THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENT AMOUNTS. THE PROPOSED DURATION AND AMOUNT OF ANY ABATEMENT. IT INCLUDES CONSIDERING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPLICATIONS. THIS IS ABOUT NEUSES COUNTY DECIDING IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE BARE MINIMAL, THE FASTEST ANYTHING WOULD POSSIBLY COME TO YOU ALL WOULD BE 30 DAYS FROM NOW. BUT YOU CAN HAVE A MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS. >> DO THE 312'S EXPIRE ATTEND OF THE YEAR ALSO? >> NO. >> ONLY THE 313 STATUTE WAS SUNSETTED BY THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. AND SO THE STATUTE BASICALLY GOES AWAY ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2022. NOTHING HAPPENS TO THE 312'S. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD THING TO DO IF SOMEONE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW WE NEED TO SET THAT UP. HAVE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC HEARING. [01:05:03] ROBSTOWN BISHOP AREA WOULD BE GREAT. AND BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK ROBSTOWN ISD WILL WORK THROUGH THEIR 313 AND WILL -- RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A 312 IN FRONT OF US. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO -- THAT I KNOW OF -- >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YET. THAT'S CORRECT. >> THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO SIGN TODAY OTHER THAN CREATING THE PARAMETERS THAT SAYS WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. BUT THE DEVIL IN THE DETAIL. WE HAVE TO PUT FORWARD 312 BUT NOT ONE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE DEEM WORTHY OF ANYTHING LIKE THIS. I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE TESLA REACHING OUT TO NEUSE'S COUNTY AND GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY. IF IT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY SO BE IT. IF NOT SO BE IT AS WELL. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THEY LOOK IN SOUTH TEXAS. THIS ACCORDING TO WHAT I READ COULD BE FIRST OF ITS KIND ANYWHERE. THAT'S INTERESTING TOO. BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AS WELL. NO QUESTION. >> OKAY. >> EXCUSE ME JUDGE. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >> I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE FROM DRISCOL. THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF TESLA COMING TO THEIR TOWN. I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE DRISCOL IN ANYTHING WE DECIDE ON. >> YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONERS? >> ONE OF THE THINGS TO POINT OUT IS THAT IT'S A VERY UNIQUE AREA OF THE COUNTY. YOU HAVE THREE PRECINCTS SEPARATED MERELY BY MILES. YOU HAVE PRECINCTS 2, 3 AND 4 WHOSE COMMUNITIES ARE ALL REPRESENTED AND I KNOW THE ENTIRE COURT IS CONCERNED. IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE PRECINCT MAP PASSED LAST NOVEMBER, BEFORE IT USED TO BE ALL PRECINCT THREE. THIS LOCATION DOES FALL WITHIN MY PRECINCT. AS THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED DRISCOL WAS A MILE DOWN THE ROAD. BISHOP IS JUST A FEW MILES BEYOND THAT. REALLY IMPACT A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES AND SO JUDGE, I AM HOPE FOR ANY KIND OF FURTHER PUBLIC GATHERINGS TO RECEIVE INPUT ON THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? >> YEAH. I'M KIND OF ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID. I AGREE WITH YOU. WE'VE BEEN HAVING TOO MANY MEETINGS FOR SURE. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE NEED TO GET THINGS DONE IN THE REGULAR MEETINGS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I APOLOGIZE TORE THAT. SOMETIMES WE CALL MEETING AND JUST GOT TO HAVE THEM; RIGHTS? AS FOR AS WHAT THE REASON IS. BUT, YOU KNOW, I HEAR EVERYBODY TALKING TODAY AND AND I THINK THAT EVERYTHING WILL COME ON THE SECOND PART WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT WHAT DOES EVERYBODY NEED. WHAT ARE THE NEEDS. WE ARE LOOKING AT JOBS. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF REFINERIES HERE. THEY ARE TREMENDOUS. THEY ARE GREAT EMPLOYERS. AND YOU KNOW, THEY ARE NOT PERFECT. BUT THIS ARE GREAT EMPLOYERS. OUR CHILDREN GO THERE. SOME CHILDREN GO THERE. YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS HOW THEY MAKE A LIVING. I THINK THAT IN THE WESTERN PART OF OUR COUNTY THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE AN OVERLOAD. THEY SAY LET'S NOT GO THERE. LET'S GO THE OTHER WAY. THIS IS TIME FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT TO PUT THE BOOTS IN THE GROUND. AND ROBSTOWN IS ASKING US FOR THAT HELP. IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING AS BISHOPS. WE WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING FOR -- THIS IS JUST A START. IT DOESN'T MEAN LIT HAPPEN. IT'S A START. BUT IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW ROBSTOWN WILL LOSE OUT. THEY WILL LOSE OUT. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THE ROBSTOWN PEOPLE. I KNOW THERE'S MORE PROS HERE THAN CONS WHEN THE ROBSTOWN AREA WHEN YOU GO TO SCHOOL DISTRICT, A COLLEGE, JR. COLLEGE THAT'S TRYING TO GROW IN THAT WESTERN PART AND HOPEFULLY THEY DO. THAT ROBSTOWN WILL BENEFIT BY THAT ALSO. I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY THE NUMBER OF JOBS THE ABATEMENT DURATION. HOW MUCH, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE -- WITHOUT THE PEOPLE'S VOICE WE CAN'T DO IT. WE SHOULDN'T DO IT. I THINK WE NEED THE PEOPLE'S VOICE. I THINK WE NEED TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN BISHOP. DRISCOLL. ROBSTOWN. AND WHERE ELSE CAN WE HAVE THEM? I THINK THAT WE -- I JUST FEEL THAT AT THIS POINT, [01:10:03] WITH OUR WESTERN DISTRICT WHERE I REPRESENT, GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT THEIR CHILDREN WILL BE WORKING -- MAYBE IN THAT PLANT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 250 JOBS. 300 JOBS. WHATEVER SIT. WE KNOW THEY GUARANTEE US. THEY ALWAYS GUARANTEE SOMETHING. IT'S UP TO US TO SAY HOW MUCH. HOW MANY. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. THE FIRST PHASE OF IT TO ASSURE THAT ROBSTOWN WILL NOT BE LEFT BEHIND. THIS IS WHERE I SUPPORT THAT TO MOVE FORWARD AND SURE WE HEAR THE PEOPLE ASKING. WE NEED MORE INPUT. YOU WANT TO SAY OTHER THINGS. I THINK THAT BUT THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR THAT. THIS IS THE TIME TO SAY HOW CAN WE ACTUALLY HELP ROBSTOWN? I THINK THE TIME THE MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> IN LIGHT OF THE COMMENTARY, ARE YOU PREPARED COMMISSIONER TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADDRESS THE REINVESTMENT ZONE AT THIS TIME? >> [INAUDIBLE] IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> HAVING BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND, IT WOULD BE THE MOTION NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE ADOPTION. >> ADOPTION OF THE REQUEST. >> ADOPTION OF THE REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE IN SUPPORT OF ROBSTOWN IDS'S REQUEST. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> I WILL ADD FOR THE CLERK, PLEASE ADD THAT IT'S PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS TAX CODE. ALL RIGHT HAVING HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> ABSTENTION. ONE ABSTENTION, FOUR AYE S. THE INVESTMENT ZONE WILL BE CREATED. AND THEN THE FUTURE -- IF THEY ASK AT ALL. LET ME EMPHASIZE. IF THEY ASK AT ALL, THEN THERE WILL BE A VERY ROBUST PROCESS TO DISCUSS WHAT ASK THEY MIGHT HAVE THIS IF COUNTY IF AT ALL. REALLY, DEALING AS I SAID WITH THE SIX PRECEPS I WROTE DOWN. LET'S SEE WHAT THEIR INTENTION IS FOR THE FUTURE. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. I WILL MOVE TO ITEM NO. 3. [3. Discuss and consider reallocation of funds designated for first floor expansion to be utilized for second floor for cocession/restuarant at Bob Hall Pier.] WE WITH TAKE THE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. REALLOCATION OF FUNDS DESIGNATED FOR THE FIRST FLOOR EXPANSION TO BE UTILIZED FOR THE SECOND FLOOR CONCESSION RESTAURANT AT BOB HALL PIER. >> CAN I MAKE A MOTION WE TABLE THIS? THIS IS -- THIS CAME BY SURPRISE. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE ALL PREPARED TALK ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW. IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL. AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO FALL LIKE THE HARBOR BRIDGES. >> COMMISSIONER, THERE IS AN URGENCY TO THIS. LET ME EXPLAIN THE URGENCY. THE URGENCY IS THAT THE CORE PERMIT WILL BE PULLED IF WE DO NOT GIVE THEM THE SOLID AFFIRMATION THAT THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING. AND THEREFORE, ANY DELAY TO A FUTURE TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IS BASICALLY GOING TO HAVE RAMIFICATIONS TO AT LEAST SIX MONTHS POTENTIALLY LONGER. AND THAT HURTS OUR REVENUE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE. HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. THE COASTAL PARKS BOARD ALREADY MADE A DECISION ALL WE'RE DOING THE CLARIFY AN ALLOCATION. WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION. IT'S CLARIFYING HOW THE DOLLARS WILL BE USED. THOSE DOLLARS CAME FROM COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, CAME FROM MYSELF, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT CLARITY SO THE PERMIT ALSO HAS CLARITY AS WELL AS WE ADHERE TO THE COASTAL PARKS BOARD. THAT'S WHY IT'S ON HERE. IT'S ON HERE FOR URGENCY. THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS. NOTICE HERE IS CERTAINLY RIGHT. ANY WAY -- >> WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THE URGENCY FOR THE PERMITS. [01:15:03] >> WE'RE NOT -- THAT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T DO THAT. THAT'S COASTAL PARKS BOARD THAT DOES THAT. THEY HAVE ALREADY PLACED THOSE PERMITS IN THE PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THAT'S NOT IN OUR HANDS. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD WITH INDEPENDENT TIME LINE. >> IF WE'RE THE ONES BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION. ALL IT IS A CLARIFICATION TO BASICALLY SAY THAT THE MONEY THAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND I THROUGH OUR OWN ARPA FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING IT FOR THE HIGHEST AND BEST PURPOSE. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY HAS STATED HE SUPPORTS IT. THIS TRULY FOR WHEN WE ALLOCATE IT'S DONE RIGHT IN THE RECORD. >> FOR THE PERMITS ONLY? >> YES. THIS WOULD BE -- LET ME GO BACK. TWO THINGS. IT'S FOR THE PERMIT AND REMEMBER THAT THE PERMIT WORKS ON THE FOUNDATION. IF YOU GO UP VERSES OUT. IF YOU GO OUT YOU WILL NEED ADDITIONAL FOUNDATION. >> I DON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION TO TABLE. THEY SUBMITTED A PERMIT WITH PLENTY OF GROUND FLOOR SPACE TO WHERE THERE IS NO DELAY FOR EXTENSION OF THE GROUND FLOOR. THE ISSUE WILL BE ON THE MONO VERSES DUAL. THAT'S THE WHEN WE WILL HAVE DEBATE ON OCTOBER 12. I DON'T AGREE THIS WAS URGENT. I WILL NOT SUPPORT MOTION TO TABLE. I SUPPORT THE SECOND FLOOR. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENT ON THE MAKE ON THE PULLING OF THE PERMITS THAT'S INACCURATE AS REGARD TO FIRST SECOND/FLOOR ARGUMENT. BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT WE MAY DO THE PUBLIC SPACE. WHAT I WAS TOLD THERE IS NO ISSUE ON THE PERMIT WHATSOEVER ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY I DON'T SUPPORT HIS MOTION TO TABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AS WELL. BUT I DO WANT TO CLEAR UP. THE REASON YOU ARTICULATED IT WAS URGENT. I DON'T AGREE WITH. >> THERE'S ALSO A MOTION MADE BY THE COASTAL PARKS THAT WE GET A THIRD PARTY THAT THEY RECOMMEND AND GET A THIRD PARTY TO ANALYZE THE SECOND FLOOR -- WHAT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. IF WE ADDED A SECOND FLOOR TO IT. I THINK -- WE WILL -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY CAN YOU TELL HIM THAT'S DESIREDED? >> THAT'S A SUGGESTION THIS COURT MADE TOO THE COASTAL PARKS BOARD. THEY TABLED THAT. THEY TOOK NO ACTION ON IT. THEY DIDN'T TAKE ACTION ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. >> THAT'S WHEN THE DEBATE -- THE COURT PREVIOUSLY BY 5-0 VOTED FOR FIRST-FLOOR EXPANSION. THEN I CAME BACK THAT DAY AND SAID WHY DON'T WE COME UP WITH SOME WAY TO LOOK AT WHETHER THE FIRST -- BECAUSE ASS WE SIT HERE TODAY. WE STILL HAVE DON'T HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT DATA ON WHETHER THIS WILL WORK OR WON'T WORK. WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. THAT'S MY SUGGEST TO THE PARKS BOARD WHICH THEY DIDN'T ABILITY ON. THAT'S FINE. IT WAS A SUGGESTION. I'M NOT OFFENDED BY IT. I THOUGHT WHY DON'T WE GET AN INDEPENDENT AMAL-CISSE AND SEE IF IT WOULD WORK. THE PARKS BOARD DIDN'T DECIDE TO DO IT. THEY DECIDED ON THEIR OWN TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO DO THE SECOND STORE ON THE -- INSTEAD OF THE FIRST FLOOR EXPANSION. MY THOUGHT WE WOULD BE BACK HERE ON ALL OF THIS ON OCTOBER 12TH WITH COST ANALYSIS. WE WOULD HAVE A HARD-CORE NUMBER ON EVERYTHING. I DON'T BELIEVE THE NUMBERS FOR THE FIRST FLOOR TO BUILD ARE ACCURATE -- NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE INVOLVED. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL COST $1,000 A SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD TOWN FIRST FLOOR. WE'RE HERE TODAY ON THIS. AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT. LIFE GOES ON. I WILL VOTE FOR THIS. BUT I DON'T -- I STILL DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE IN REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. I'VE HEARD FROM THE PERCENTAGES BOARD. I'VE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND THIS IS WHAT THAT WAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE WRONG THING DO. LARGER FIRST FLOOR IS ALWAYS THE BETTER THING. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. I ALSO BELIEVE STRONGLY REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. PARKS BOARD MADE A RECOMMENDATION. AS DID 600 PEOPLE WHO SIGNED A PETITION. I HOPE WE REMEMBER WHEN WE HAVE THE MONO VERSES DUAL. [01:20:11] THAT SAID, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND IT'S ON THE AGENDA. LET'S VOTE AND VOTE FOR YAY OR NAY AND MOVE ON. >> MY CONCERN IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST THE COUNTY. NOT THE PARKS BOARD. IS ANYONE ELSE GOING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN CASE THIS DOES GET DONE. WE GET A HURRICANE. IS SECOND FLOOR COMES DOWN. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REBUILDING IT? >> WE WILL. >> DOES ANYBODY -- WHOEVER OWNS IT WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE INSURANCE? >> I WOULD THINK THERE COULD BE SOMETHING. >> YOU CAN ASK THEY ADD INSURANCE ON THE FIRST ONE. >> I STILL DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER WHETHER THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE SETTLEMENT WE WASN'T. THEY'VE BEEN INSURED OVER THE PAST. MY HOPE THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE INSURABLE IN THE FUTURE. >> THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU KNOW HURRICANE HANNA CHANGED THE PROFILE OF OUR BEACH. IT CHANGED IT AND WE'VE HAD THOSE SURVEYS DONE AND NOW WHERE YOU HAVE SAND YOU KNOW HAVE WATER. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION. IT'S NOT 1,000 FEET VERTICAL. IT'S 1,000 SQUARE FEET -- NOT HORIZONTAL. BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING WITH BARGES AND PILINGS AND THE WATER. IT'S NOT SQUARE FEEL THE REASON IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO GO THIS WAY BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT IT TAKES IN THE WATER. THAT'S THE GAME CHANGER. IT'S THE EQUIPMENT, THE TIME FACTOR THAT TAKES PLUS THE PILINGS. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES WHEN YOU SAY X DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT GOING THIS WAY. THE REASON WHY THIS IS SO MUCH CHEAPER BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT DEALING WITH STRUCTURE IN THE WATER. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DEMOBILIZATION IS HOME 3 MILLION PRICE TAG. IT'S SUPER EXPENSIVE TO WORK IN THE WATER. IT JUST IS. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. THE WESTERN GULF IS A TOUGH PLACE. IT'S ROUGH. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT. AND RIGHTS EXPERTISE. YOU CAN ONLY WORK CERTAIN TIMES OF YEAR. YOU HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIES CONCERNS. IT'S 100% DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT. WHAT CHANGED? HANNA CHANGED IT. THE PROFILE OF THE BEACH IS NO LONGER THE EACH WE HAD BEFORE. IF WE COULD WORK ON SAND. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT. BUT WE CAN'T. WHY? BECAUSE HANNA CHANGED THE PROFILE OF THE BEACH. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO VERY, VERY DIFFERENT; BUT -- >> ARE WE PREPARED JUDGE TO PAY ALL EXTRA COST. RIGHT NOW WE ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE WE NEED ROOFS ON COUNTY BUILDINGS. >> IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. THESE DOLLARS WE EACH MADE A DECISION. YOU KNOW. >> LET ME JUST FINISH. I WILL COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU. WE EACH MADE A DECISION SOME TIME BACK THAT OUT OF OUR BIG ALLOCATION FROM AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN THAT EACH COMMISSIONER WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY MAKE DECISIONS IF THEY THOUGHT WERE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF NEUSES COUNTY. YOU HAVE SOME AWESOME PROJECT. EACH OF US DO. ONE THING COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND I MADE A DECISION ON IS THAT WE WOULD EACH TAKE DOLLARS FROM OUR ARPA ALLOCATION. WE QUALIFIED THEM THROUGH THE ELIGIBILITY PROCESS. AND WE BELIEVE THESE -- AND THIS INVESTMENT IN THIS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WILL HAVE RIGHT RATE OF RETURN. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE THE -- NO DISRESPECT TO ANY OTHER ENGINEERING COMPANY. THEY ARE ALL AMAZING. ESPECIALLY HERE'S IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH COASTAL. BUT JACOB'S ENGINEER SING WELL REGARDED AND WIDELY RECOGNIZED AS THE NUMBER ONE ENGINEERING COMPANY IN THE WORLD WITH REGARDS TO THE WAY THEY ASSESS; YOU HAVE COLLEGE RANKINGS. THERE'S RANKINGS FOR EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD. JACOBS IS NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD. THEY BRING FORTH EXPERTISE THAT WILL GIVE US THE RESILIENT BUILDING. >> ALSO WITH ENGINEERING, IT'S BEEN WHAT ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO THAT JACOBS [01:25:03] ENGINEERING WAS HERE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY. BECAUSE THEY FORGET TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE -- >> I THINK IT WAS SIR, THE CONTRACT DIDN'T ADDRESS THE NEED THAT WE HAD -- THAT WE HAD ASKED. TOO MILLION DOLLARS. >> IT WASN'T A MILLION DOLLARS. >> ITS 700 SOME ODD DOLLARS. >> IT'S INSIDE THE BUDGET WHETHER IN ONE LINE ITEM OR ANOTHER LINE ITEM. WE CAN DEBATE. THAT'S NOT WHAT IS BEFORE US HERE TODAY. WHAT'S BEFORE US HERE TODAY IS THE ITEM AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE ALLOW THE PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY TO GO FORWARD. >> I HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. LET'S GO HAVE YOU AND THEN WE WILL CALL FOR PUBLIC. >> I THINK THAT I'M NOT AGAINST THE RESTAURANT. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH RESTAURANT. I'M AGAINST THE BAR. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SAID YOU COMMISSIONER CHESNEY PUT IN YOUR MONEY FROM ARPA FUND. DON'T FORGET THE 26 MILLION IS WHAT WE AGREED TO GIVE THE PIER. WE COULD HAVE GIVEN MORE MONEY TO THE WESTERN DIRECT. WE DIDN'T. BECAUSE WE AGREED TO PUT 26 MILLION DOLLARS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON THE PIER. TO BUILD THE PIER. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PIER. THE PIER SHOULD BE REBUILT. THE FIRST FLOOR SHOULD BE THERE. EXPANSION SHOULD BE THERE. THE SECOND FLOOR SHOULD NOT BE THERE. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE TA TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING. IT WAS BROUGHT UP LATER. WE HAVE BEEN CATERING TO A RESTAURANT THAT HASN'T PUT ANY MONEY INTO THE RESTAURANT. I DON'T KNOW MAYBE YOU TELL US HOW MUCH MONEYS GIVEN FROM INSURANCE COMPANY. AND HOW MONEY GIVEN TO COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THAT OUT. >> I CAN CHECK ON THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU. >> AGAIN, I WILL JUST TELL YOU, THAT COASTAL PARKS, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED FROM THE BEGINNING WE BUILT THIS RESTAURANT, BAR. WITH GRANT MONEY THAT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY IN TAX PAYER'S MONEY. WE GOT AUTHORIZATION. >> 850,000. THEY AGREE TO BUILD CALLED WELL PIER TO ALMOST THE LIKING OF THIS PIER HERE. WE WOULD BE IN TROUBLE. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. I KNOW SORRY YOU WANT -- NO ONE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THE PIER OR THE RESTAURANT. I DON'T SUPPORT THE SECOND FLOOR. WHEN A HURRICANE COMES THAT'S THE FIRST TO GO. WE DON'T HAVE AN INSURANCE WE NEVER HAD AN INSURANCE. THAT'S WHY WE ARE STRUGGLING NOW. IF THEY WANT TO INSURANCE TOWN SECOND FLOOR IN CASE THEY GO DOWN IT WILL COVER IT. IT WOULD BE GLAD TO HEAR THAT. MAYBE SUPPORT IT. BECAUSE IF NOT, YOU WILL COME BACK TO US. COASTAL PARKS AREN'T GOING TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO GO TO SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR. EVERYTHING COMES BACK TO US. IT SHOULD HAVE GONE OUT FORBIDS. WE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO BID FOR THAT RESTAURANT. IT WAS BUILT WITH GRANT MONEY AND TAX PAYER'S MONEY. IT SHOULD HAVE GONE OUT FORBIDS. >> FROM A RESTAURANT SEAFOOD RESTAURANTS, WHATEVER IT IS. WE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN OUR COMMUNITY THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO RUN A RESTAURANT. WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE. [01:30:02] I THINK THEY SHOULD ALL BE RESPONSIBLE. >> I WILL KEEP BRINGING THIS UP. IT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER, I WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> JUDGE, I'M TALKING. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE FINISHED. >> I WILL LET YOU KNOW PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONERS EITHER. I WANT TO TELL YOU HOW THIS ALL GOT STARTED. FOR US, TO AGREE TO PUT 26 MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE PIER TO HELP CHESNEY IS NOT ORDINANCE WE'RE SUPPORTING. THEY PUT 1 MILLION EACH FROM THEIR FUNDS. 26 CAME FROM ALL OF US. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW. NO ONE THE TRYING TO TAKE APART YOUR RESTAURANT. >> THANK YOU. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LENGTHY BECAUSE I HAVE OTHER THINGS. WE'RE IN A MOTION. JUST FOR A SECOND. >> THERE WAS NEVER A SECOND. >> THERE WAS NOT. WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS MOTION SIGNIFY -- FIRST OF ALL, HOLD ON. WITH THE TABLE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THIS DISCUSSION. I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU IF THERE WAS A TABLE, WHY DID HE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION? >> IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT, I WILL TAKE THE VOTE. BUT I DO THINK SINCE HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS EVEN THOUGH TYPICALLY GUYS WE DON'T DISCUSS THERE'S ABOUT 10 THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THE RECORD IS REFLECTIVE OF. >> WE CAN MAKE AFTER YOU MAKE THE MOTION. >> I WILL DO THAT. >> I DIDN'T HEAR A SECOND. >> I NEED TO CLEAR THE RECORD. >> THAT'S FAIR. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY "AYE." FOR THE TABLE. >> AYE. >> AND OPPOSED SAME SIGN. NO. >> THAT MOTION FAILS. AND SO CAN YOU -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER THE REALLOCATION OF FUND DESIGNATED FOR THE FIRST FLOOR TO BE USED FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, AND, AGAIN TO BE VERY SPECIFIC MADAM CLERK YOU RECALL WE HAVE TO LOOK UP THE MINUTES AT THAT POINT IN TIME. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND I THROUGH THE FUNDING SOURCE OF ARPA. DOESN'T CHANGE FUNDING ALTERNATE ALL. IT STAYS THE SAME. IT'S JUST THE CLARITY TO REFLECT THE WILL OF COASTAL PARKS BOARD. THAT THOSE DOLLARS BE UTILIZED IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO THE SECOND FLOOR. I'LL LOOK FOR A SECOND. >> YOU HAVE SOME ADDS. >> I WROTE THIS OUT. BECAUSE IT'S LONG. I WANT TO PUT EXTRA STUFF. >> LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET -- >> IT'S MY MONEY. >> PROCEDURALLY. LIKE TO ASK FOR THE SECOND. YOU TELL ME YOU WANT TO ADD STUFF. >> YOU WILL SECOND AND THEN ADD. >> MY MOTION -- WELL, I WROTE IT REALLOCATE FIRST FLOOR EXPANSION ON ANY PEER EXPANSION FUNDS MAY BE NEEDED FOR. I WOULD MOVE THE COUNTY MANAGER HIRE AN INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR THE AMOUNT SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR RENT FOR THE SPACE. SHALL BE ANALYSIS FOR THE NEW SPACE. SHALL BE PROVIDE FORD THE PARKS BOARD AND COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR THE INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS. NO OUTSIDE INFLUENCE BY COMMISSIONER COURSE VENDOR OR ANYONE ELSE THAT CAN BE TRULY INDEPENDENT FINDING. THE FINAL RESULT SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO COMMISSIONER COURT IN OPEN MEETING AND THE FUND UP TO 15,000 FOR ANALYSIS SHALL BE PROVIDED. THE PART -- >> I ACCEPT AND SECOND IT. >> THANK YOU. >> NOW JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CORRECTION BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE. AND I'M CERTAIN THAT COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ SORT OF UNDERSTAND IT. IN HIS WAY. BUT NUMBER ONE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE IF YOU ARE LISTENING YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BOB HALL PIER. I WANT -- OR THE CONCESSION STAND. IT WAS NOT TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE. IT WAS U.S. FISH AND [01:35:01] WILDLIFE. THEY HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. WE DON'T ASK FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE AT ALL. THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. AND THERE WAS NEVER A DOJ CONSENT DECREE. THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ABILITY THAT WE HAD THE DOJ SITUATION. NONE OF THOSE WERE ACCURATE. THIS WAS A COMPETITIVELY PROCURE PROCURED CONTRACT. WHY IS THE CONTRACT IN THE MIDDLE? BECAUSE IT HAS EXPIRATION ON IT. AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THE TERM YET. YOUR CLAUSE HAVING TO DO WITH HURRICANE HANNA. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW. THESE ARE COMPETITIVELY PROCURED CONTRACTS. THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONTRACT. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE CERTAIN. AS FAR AS WHATEVER REQUIREMENT REGARDING RISK MANAGEMENT, INSURANCE. IT'S CONTAINED INSIDE THE CONTRACT. IF YOU GET INTO A NEW CONTRACT YOU CAN MAKE REQUIREMENT YOU SHOW CHOOSE AND VOTE ON. IT JUST MAKE CERTAIN THAT EVERYTHING YOU SAID THAT I JUST CORRECTED IS IMPORTANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD. AND ALSO FINALLY, WHEN WE BUILT THE -- I WASN'T HERE. WHEN I WENT BACK FOR RECORDS IT WASN'T BUILT FOR RESTAURANT AND BAR. IT WAS BUILT FOR AN OBSERVATION DECK THAT OBSERVATION DECK WE ALWAYS MAINTAINED WITH U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE WAS BUILT. AND THE APPROPRIATE PIECES OF THAT GRANT WHERE THERE. THEY DISAGREED. WE CREATED A SOLUTION. AS A RESULT WE'VE GOT FOREST CALDWELL OBSERVATION DECK WHICH WAS ALSO A VERY MUCH A PRIORITY FOR COASTAL PARKS. IT NOW SERVES AS AN OUTDOOR TEACHING FACILITY AND CLASSROOM. IT SUPPORTED BY TEN DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO BALANCE THE ACTUAL RECORD. AND IT'S OKAY TO HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. BUT NOT OKAY TO SITE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. THEY WOULD BE UPSET IF WE SAID IT WAS YOU WHEN IT WASN'T. >> AT ANY RATE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE CHANGES ARE PART OF IT. WITH THAT, WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD. WITH THE REST OF OUR AGENDA. ALL THOSE FAVOR SAY "AYE." >> THIS IS MOTION FOR THE ITEM OR JUST THE MOTION -- >> THE MOTION FOR ITEM NO. 3. >> DID WE MISS PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL HOLD FOR THAT. MR. TED MORRIS SIGNED UP. THERE WAS ONE MORE IF YOU WILL HELP ME. WHO ELSE SIGNED UP? >> RACHEL AND ONE MORE? [INAUDIBLE] IT'S OKAY. WE CAN DO EVERYBODY ALL AT ONCE. WE'LL ASK FOR ONLINE AS WELL. >> GO AHEAD. >> THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME THIS TIME. I'M TED MORRIS. I LIVE ON THE ISLAND WALKING DISTANCE FROM THE PIER IN QUESTION. THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS TO PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO VOTE FOR THE REALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS TO BUILD THE SECOND FLOOR VERSES EXPANSION OF THE BOTTOM FLOOR. I THINK BOTTOM PLANS ARE GOOD. BUT IF YOU PUT THE NUMBERS TO IT. LOOKING I'M COMING THROUGH OKAY. LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS,I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO COMPARE BUT WHEN YOU GET 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR THE 2 MILLION DOLLARS THATS APPROVED AND A LOTTED FOR THAT, IT JUST MAKES BETTER SENSE TO ME. ADDITION, I SHOULD HAVE SAID EARLIER, I AM ONE PERSON SPEAKING FOR A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE'VE COME TOGETHER AND IN ESSENCE OF TIME, ALL YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD A LOT OF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. BUT WE DID THAT TO SAVE YOU GUYS SOMETIME AND SAVE EVERYONE SOME TIME. WE NORMALLY HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE. WE HAVE PETITIONS THAT WELL OVER 600 SIGNATURE DEEPS. AS WELL AS LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PADRE OFFICE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. AND THE TEXAS RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION. THEIR SUPPORT IN ADVANCING WITH THE SECOND FLOOR VERSES THE BOTTOM FLOOR EXPANSION. I JUST JOTTED DOWN A FEW BULLET POINTS TO TALK ABOUT OR TO PUT OUT THERE. IT WAS SAID TODAY THE PARKS BOARD MET AND I WAS AT THAT MEETING. UNANIMOUSLY AGREED TO GO WITH THE SECOND FLOOR. [01:40:01] AND THEREFORE MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU GUYS. WE ARE IN LACK OF NICE VENUE ON PADRE ISLAND TO HAVE MEETING. WE LOST THE COUNTRY CLUB. THEN THE DEMISE AND THAT WAS GONE. IN ADDITION TO HARVEY DAMAGED PORT ROYAL FACILITY THAT LEAVES US WITH MINIMAL SPACES INSIDE CONFERENCE ROOM OF HOTELS. THERE'S NOT MUCH TO SPEAK OF AS FAR AS VENUES FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE AREA BUSINESS MEETINGS, OBTAIN BANQUETS. CONFERENCES. DESIGNATION WEDDINGS, AND SO MUCH MORE. >> IF IT'S APPROVED THE COMPLETION OF THE SECOND FLOOR WILL PUT A FACILITY ON OUR ISLAND. WE'RE SO PROUD OF. THAT IT'S UNLIKE ANYTHING ON THE TEXAS GULF COAST. IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IT WILL BE A DESIGNATION FOR VISITORS TO COME TO AND WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE VOTE AND REA LOT THE FUNDS APPROVED FOR THE BUILDING OF THE SECOND FLOOR. >> THANK YOU. >> AND THEN I LOOK BACK AT MY NOTES. THERE WAS AND ONLY BECAUSE I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE MY GLASSES. IS IT HORTON? >> MR. DAN HORTON? >> COULD BE HOUSTON? >> HE LEFT, JUDGE. >> HE WAS BACK IN THE BACKGROUND AND HE LEFT. >> I WILL CALL FOR RACHEL AND THEN SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE IS ONLINE. HELLO, AGAIN. I'M TALKING ON BEHALF OF THE SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PART OF THE PADRE ISLAND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION THAT CAN'TED BE HERE -- CAN'T BE HERE THAT ARE AGAINST THE SECOND FLOOR BUILD OUT. THE ISSUE HERE AND I THINK YOU HAVE LOST THE BIG PICTURE IS WHENEVER THERE WAS TEHRANCAL DECISIONS MADE HERE TO SHUTDOWN THE SMALL BUSINESSES A LOT OF OUR BUSINESSES GOT SHUT DOWN. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY A PRIVATE COMMUNITY MEMBER IS RECEIVING SO MUCH TAX PAYER MONEY FOR A RESTAURANT THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THE TAX PAYER. I HAVE A LIST OF SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE RESTAURANT OWNERS THAT WOULD LOVE TO RECEIVE 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS OF TAX PAYER MONEY TO ADD A SECOND FLOOR TO THEIR RESTAURANT. THEY WOULD LOVE IT. BUT YOU GUYS ARE HANDING THAT OUT TO THEM. WHY? WHY DOES THIS SPECIFIC BUSINESS OWNER GET THAT TREATMENT? WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, IF YOU TALK ABOUT WEDDING, VENUES AND MEETING. THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES ON THE ISLAND TO HAVE MEETING. THERE'S PLENTY -- IF PEOPLE HAVE A BEACH WEDDING. USUALLY THEY HAVE IT ON THE SAND. BUT EIGHT CAT 3 OR CAT 5 WILL WIPE OUT A SECOND FLOOR. WHETHER IT'S INSURED OR NOT. WE HAVE TO START USING COMMON SENSE HERE. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE REQUIRED OF YOU AS ELECT EMPLOYEES TO USE COMMON SENSE AND UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU -- GOING TO GIVE A SOLE TAX PAYER 2.5 MILLION TO KEEP HER RESTAURANT GOING, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO THAT FOR THE REST OFS THE BUSINESS OWNERS. THERE'S MANY RESTAURANTEER WHOSE WOULD LOVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BID OUT AT THAT PIER. WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT? WHAT IS WITH THIS SPECIAL TREATMENT HAPPENING IN -- ON THIS COURT? THAT IS A REASONABLE QUESTION. OUTSIDE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, THAT ARE SPEAKING FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, MOST OF THE OTHER FOLKS YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE JOBS. CAN'T BE HERE. THEY ARE RUNNING THEIR RESTAURANTS. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND -- WHERE YOU ARE FEEDING ONE PARTICULAR BUSINESS ALL GIVING THEM ONLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT THAT PARTICULAR PIER. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN OBSERVATION DECK. I SHOULD STILL BE AND LET THE PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CREATE A VENUE. WE SHOULDN'T BEING PAYING FOR THIS. THIS IS REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT TO COME HERE AND EXPLAIN THIS TO PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW SEEM TO KNOW BUSINESS. AND SO YOU ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IN AGREEMENT IN THEIR EN S FORMENT WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL, THEY DON'T APPROVE OF THIS SECOND [01:45:02] FLOOR. AND WE DON'T AS A TAX PAYER WE DON'T APPROVE OF ONE INDIVIDUAL GETTING 2.5 MILLION IN TAX PAYER MONEY. >> THE LAST PERSON IS MAY MENTALTON. >> THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. [INAUDIBLE] SEND IT TO MACKEY. SHE CAN DO IT FOR YOU. WE WILL MAKE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY. >> CLEAR THE VISUAL HERE. >> YOU MAY PROCEED. THANK YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I WAS GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THIS SHORT AND SWEET. I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN PERSONALLY ATTACKED. I'M TIRED OF BEING BLAMED FOR THINGS I HAVEN'T DONE. FIRST, THE REASON THAT I AM THE PERSON THAT THEY ARE REBUILDING FOR. THEY ARE REBUILDING A CONCESSION BUILDING. I HAVE THE CURRENT CONTRACT. I GOT THAT CONTRACT IN 2013. I WAS AWARDED THAT CONTRACT. I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF MY CONTRACT. SO MY CONTRACT IS ON HOLD UNTIL WE REBUILD. IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO GET IT WHEN MY CONTRACT IS UP. THEY CAN ALL PUT IN FOR THE CONTRACT TO PUT IN FOR BEING THE CONCESSION. THERE'S NO FAVORITISM. IT'S QUITE THE CONTRARY. I'VE GOTTEN BEATEN UP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY COMMISSIONERS HERE AS WELL. AND IT'S NOT FAIR. BECAUSE I'VE WORKED VERY HARD FOR THAT RESTAURANT. I USED TO BE PRESIDENT ALONG TIME AGO OF THE PADRE ISLAND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. THIS HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS RESTAURANT. I FOUND OUT IT UP FORBID IN 2012. I WOULD SEE ONE RESTAURANT AFTER ANOTHER SEEMED LEAK EVERY SIX MONTHS THERE WAS A CHANGE OF HANDS. AND I HAVE SOMEONE BACK HERE THAT CAN CONFIRM THAT. OUR DIRECTOR SCOTT CROSS. OVER AND OVER AND OVER NO ONE COULD MAKE IT WORK. EVERY SIX MONTHS A NEW RIBBON CUTTING. WHEN I FOUND OUT ITS OPEN FORBID I GOT A BUSINESS PARTNER AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS BUSINESS. I KNOW WHAT TO DO TO MAKE ITSELF. I PUT A LOT OF MONEY UP THERE COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ TO MAKE THAT PLACE SUCCESSFUL. AND, YES, I HAVE INSURANCE. IT'S A REQUIREMENT. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF INSURANCE TO COVER THE COUNTY BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDITIONAL INSURED. REST ASSURED NOTHING WILL COME BACK ON YOU. NOW, I'M ALSO AN INSURANCE AGENT AS YOU KNOW. AS AN INSURANCE AGENT I KIND OF KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. WHEN I BUILD MY LAST HOUSE CONCRETE WALLS AND MELTAL ROOF. IT WITHSTANDS 200-MILE-AN-HOUR WIND. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL HAVE THE PIER. YOU CAN HARDLY GET SOMETHING THAT BIG EVEN WITH A CAT 5. YOU WILL BE PRETTY DARN GOOD. WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IT SHOULD BE FINE. FIRST FLOOR VERSES SECOND PARTICULAR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE THAT I GAVE YOU, THE SECOND PAGE IS A LETTER FROM BUILDER THAT I DEAL WITH. IN FACT HE BUILT MY HOUSE WHO DOES CONSTRUCTION WITH ICF WALL. IT SAYS THERE'S NO PROOF THAT A SECOND FLOOR WOULD WITHSTAND MORE DAMAGE THAN THE FIRST FLOOR. NOW BACK TO MY INSURANCE. WHENEVER I HAVE CLAIMS, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CLAIMS ARE. AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS IS TRUE. IT'S TO ROOFS. WHY? BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURE CAUSING THE UPLIFT OF THE ROOF. WE HAVE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. LET'S SAY WE HAVE THE SAME 10,000. I WILL USE A NUMBER. 10,000 SQUARE FEET. FIRST FLOOR. YOU HAVE NOW MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE WITH A ROOF THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO DAMAGE IF NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED TO YOUR ROOF THAT WILL SHUT IT DOWN. SECOND FLOOR, OH, WE GO UP. WE HAVE LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE ROOF; CORRECT? OF COURSE, YOUR NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH DAMAGE AS FAR AS THE WALLS AND IT BREAKING DOWN. THAT'S NOT TRUE. IF ANYTHING A SECOND FLOOR IS BETTER BECAUSE A TIDAL SURGE. YOU HAVE DAMAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITHOUT ANY DAMAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THAT'S IS NOT TRUE THAT YOU WILL GET MORE DAMAGE FROM A SECOND FLOOR VERSES A FIRST FLOOR. AS FAR AS RESTAURANTS. >> I WILL HAVE YOU WRAP IT UP. >> I FORGET ABOUT RESTAURANTS. I KNOW A LOT OF RESTAURANT OWNERS. I FIGHT IN D.C. ALL THE TIME FOR THESE RESTAURANT OWNERS. I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND MORE MONEY FOR RESTAURANT OWNERS. IF THEY WANT IT. THEN LET THEM COME AND HAVE [01:50:03] IT WHEN IT OPENS UP FORBID. BUT TO BE PICKING ON ME WHO WORKED SO HARD IT'S NOT FAIR. I WILL NOT HAVE IT ANYMORE. I WASN'T THE CONCESSIONAIR WHEN THAT WAS BUILT. I'M SORRY. I APPRECIATE THAT JUDGE, YOU AND COMMISSIONER CHESNEY HAVE GIVEN A MILLION DOLLARS FROM YOUR ARPA FUND. I HOPE YOU VOTE WITH THE PARK BOARD AND MORE CITIZENS EVEN IN TOWN THAT ALL SIGNED THE PETITION THAT SAID THEY ARE IN FAVOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR VOTE FOR THE SECOND FLOOR. >> THANK YOU. THAT DOES CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANKS FOR CATCHING IT. >> JUDGE, I KIND OF HELD BACK ON THIS. I WANTED TO HEAR THE PUBLIC FIRST BEFORE KIND OF GOING TO SHARING MY COMMENTS. I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE DIRECTION COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS TRYING TO TAKE. I THINK IT'S A STATEMENT WORTH REPEATING. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE AGREE TO AND SUPPORT IT. BUT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY. I HOPE THAT MOST OF US AGREE TO THAT. THAT'S A COMMIT. WE MADE FOR THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE IT WAS CATASTROPHIC EVENT THAT HAPPENED. SOMETHING THAT NO ONE REALLY SAW OR MAYBE IN HINDSIGHT SAW. WE DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN WITH SOMETHING AS MINIMAL AS HANNA. YOU COULD HAVE SAID HARVEY AND WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED. HANNA WASN'T AS STRONG AS OF STORM AS OTHERS IN THE PAST. MY CONCERN ALSO IS THE CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE SUPPORT FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ON THIS. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME -- THAT WOULD SAY WHY SHOULD ANY PUBLIC ASSET BE GIVEN TO PRIVATE ENTITY? THAT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT I KNOW CAN BE MADE WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTIE AND AMERICAN BANK CENTER. WE HAVE -- OUR FAIRGROUNDS FACILITY ALSO RUN BY PRIVATE MANAGEMENT GROUP. IT HAPPENS WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. THAT'S WHERE THE DEBATE IS. YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS JUST DONE RIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE FOR THE BEST WAY TO HAVE PREPARED AND UNVEILED AND BUILT AND BE UTILIZED FOR YEARS AND DECADES TO COME. YOU KNOW, MY BACKGROUND NOT BEING AN ENGINEER OR ANYTHING THROUGH THAT. TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AS FAR AS THE IMPACT OF WIND OR WAVES. I THINK IF WE GET ANOTHER HURRICANE HANNA THAT COMES IN, THE SAME WAY, SAME DIRECTION, SAME TYPE OF WAVE THAT CAME IN. I WOULD HOPE THIS NEW DESIGN WOULD WITHSTAND THAT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE CLAIM HAS BEEN. THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED OVER THESE MONTHS THAT WE BEEN TACKLING THIS ITEM. WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW. THERE'S A SEPARATE ITEM AS FAR AS SINGLE AND DOUBLE AND I WILL GO ON RECORD AND SAY I SUPPORT DOUBLE. NO MATTER NOW PASSIONATE. YOU ARE NOT A MIND READER. IN THE END THIS COURT WILL SUPPORT PIER THAT IS SET UP TO UTILIZED BY OUT LOCAL AND TOURIST FOR YEARS TO COME THAT SUPPORT ECO TOURISM INCLUDING SURF RIDING. I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT FLOURISHES. SOMETHING THAT'S BETTER THAN BEFORE. I AM GIVING COMMISSIONER CHESNEY A HARD TIME. A HARD TIME ABOUT WE'RE GIVING YOU -- NOT YOU. IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY YOU. WE'RE GIVING THE COMMUNITY AT THE PIER A LOT OF MONEY. TO WHOEVER USES IT. PRECINCT THREE 2 AND 3 USE IT. WE ALL UTILIZE AND TOURIST ALIKE. I WANT IT DONE THE BEST WAY. I WANT IT DONE THE RIGHT WAY. I WANT IT DONE NICELY. IT WAS NICE BEFORE. WHY CAN'T WE HAVE BETTER. I THINK THIS GOES TO CONVERSATION ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOP. . WHY CAN'T WE HAVE BETTER. THE WAY WE CAN BE BETTER BY HAVING TOUGH QUESTIONS. I'M LIKE YOU, JUDGE. I WRITE DOWN I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY NOTES WERE FROM THE PREVIOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD EARLIER. HERE THEY ARE. WE WRITE DOWN TO MAKE THE BEST POINTS. I LIKE TO CAPTURE THOSE GREAT IDEAS THAT EVERYONE IS BRINGING UP. IT'S LIKE OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. WHAT ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. [01:55:01] WATER, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE ON THAT ITEM EARLIER SAME THING HERE. WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY SPEAKERS. WRITING DOWN WHAT EACH PERSON BROUGHT UP. THOSE ARE CONCERNED TO ME. AS A POLICY MAKER AS A DECISION MAKER UP HERE. ONE OF FIVE -- IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. I FEEL THAT I COME UP HERE MAYBE LEANING ONE WAY. MAYBE I FEEL LIKE OKAY I REALLY CAN SUPPORT GOING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THANKFULLY NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS OPTION OF VIRTUAL, THAT WE CAN HEAR AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHAT TODAY IS ABOUT. YOU KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF COMMISSIONER LIKE YOU WERE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE JUDGE WAS SAYING. MAYBE NOT SO MUCH. AND SO I THINK THAT'S OKAY WHERE WE ARE AT. MAYBE WE AGREE ON MOST OF IT. I AM OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S ABILITY BEING UP HERE. I WANT IT TO BE DONE RIGHT. I WANT IT TO BE NICE. I WANT IT TO BE A GREAT DRAW. WITH YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER, IS THAT TO REDIRECT SOMEONE NEW OR EVERYONE GETS A CHANCE. WHAT IS THAT MOTION? >> CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT. >> ASSESSMENT IS -- REMIND WHAT'S THAT FOR? >> I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. I THINK THAT'S BEING FAIR. SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER MARKET. IF IT'S MARKET AND WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE THAT MONEY OR MAKE MORE OF IT BECAUSE THEY ARE FRUITFUL IN THEIR BUSINESS. THEN GREAT. AT LEAST LET'S MAKE TO WHERE WE UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH TO CHARGE. HOW MUCH WE SHOULD BE MAKING. HOWEVER THAT WORKS, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IF THAT'S THE INTEND I'M GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD. >> YOU HAVE SPARK HITTING ME. MAYBE IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. THERE'S ALSO IN OUR BUILT-IN AMENITIES ANOTHER SUNDRY SHOP AS WELL. AND THE BAIT STAND. WITH THIS 15,000 THAT YOU ARE PUTTING FORTH CAN HELP WITH THOSE AMENITIES AS WELL. >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. >> IT'S THE COMMON -- IT'S THE IDEA THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE REVENUE MAKING WITH THESE AMENITIES. >> SOME OF THOSE ARE NOT -- SOME OF THOSE WILL BE USED BY SCOTT CROSS. BUT THE CONCESSION PIECE OF IT, I IMAGINE THERE'S -- >> AT THIS POINT THAT'S COUNTY STUFF. >> YOU WILL RUN THE SNACKS? >> WE'VE ALWAYS RAN THE PIER PART OF IT. >> THIS IS BRAND NEW. THE COST BENEFIT RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS PROVEN YEAR AFTER YEAR. AUDITORS CAN SUBSTANTIATE THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THE MODEL. IT MAKES MONEY. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BAIT OR THE POLES. THE NEW PLACE DESIGNED LIKE FOR FLOATIES. >> THAT'S GOING -- >> THAT'S GOING TO BE SCOTT'S TOO. NOW -- >> WE WILL GET TO THAT LATER. >> ARE YOU GOING TO EXECUTE THIS 15,000 FOR SOMEONE. >> COUNTY MANAGERS WILL DO THAT. >> JUST GO THROUGH A PO. >> I'M JUST MAKING SURE. THAT WAY NO ONE ELSE CAN. SO YOU DON'T GET STUCK IN BETWEEN. >> IT WILL BE THEIR DECISION TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND GO FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. >> I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. MY NAME WAS THROWN OUT THERE. I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONER FOR BRINGING IT UP AGAIN THAT 26 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE PIER CAME FROM ALL OF US. NOT JUST ONE MILLION. THE 26 MILLION DOLLARS CAME FROM THE WHOLE COMMISSIONER'S COURT. >> THANK YOU. >> HAVING HAD MUCH DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT WITH A MOTION TOWN FLOOR AS BY PREVIOUSLY AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND SECONDED BY MYSELF, ALL THOSE IF FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> TWO NOS AND THREE AYE S. [2. Receive presentation from Estrada Hinojosa & Company, Inc. regarding financing options for the Nueces County Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) System and replacement of timeclocks, to include Public Property Financing Contractual Obligations, tax notes, certificates of obligations, or other available financing options, and related matters.] THE MOTION DOES PASS AND CARRY. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. IT'S REGARDING FINANCIAL OPTIONS. REPLACEMENT OF TIME CLOCKS. TO INCLUDE PUBLIC [02:00:04] CONTRACTUAL TAX NOTES CO'S OTHER AVAILABLE FINANCING OPTION AND RELATED MATTERS AND I WILL BE RIGHT BACK AS WELL. SHOULD I TAKE THIS PERSONAL? THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE EFFECTED BY THIS. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO IGNORE ME. >> I WOULD NEVER IGNORE. >> WE ARE JUST GETTING STARTED. WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS CONTEMPLATING FUNDING THIS SOFTWARE. WE'VE TALKED BACK IN FEBRUARY. WE'RE BACK AT AGAIN. I WANTED TO GO TO MEMORY LANE ON PAGE TWO TO TELL YOU WHERE YOU ARE AS FAR AS YOUR DEBT IS CONCERNED. ON PAGE 2 ON THE LEFT -- LEFT CORNER. TOTAL OF 166 MILLION. THE GRAPH BELOW IT IS BARS IN BLUE AND GRAY. RED LINE EQUIVALENT TO TAX LEVEE. THAT'S HOW YOUR DEBT IS STRUCTURED. IN 2022 YOUR PAYMENTS WERE AROUND 14 MILLION AND CHANGE. AND IN '23, MAY MOVE ON UP CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT PROPERTY VALUES WILL GO UP. WE ALSO ASSUME YOU KEEP THE TAX RATE THAT WE HAD IN PREVIOUS YEARS AT THE SAME LEVEL. IF YOU GO OVER TO THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER, YOU SEE THE RATING FROM MOODY AND S&P 500 ARE DOUBLE A AND DOUBLE A-2. THERE COMPONENT THERE TO TALK ABOUT THE INS TAX RATE. YOUR TAX RATE SINCE 2020 HAS BEEN GRADUALLY DROPPING THAT TAX RATE CAME DOWN TWO PENNIES BY VIRTUAL OF THE FACT THAT PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE UP AS YOU CAN SEE IT WENT FROM 30 BILLION TO 36 BILLION IN '23. THE LEVEE, DESPITE THE FACT THEY HAVE GONE DOWN, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO COLLECT 12 MILLION FOR THAT SAME PERIOD OF TIME. ALL AND ALL LOWER TAX. MORE TAX LEVEE. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. ON PAGE 3, THE CURRENT DEBT MODEL SHOWS AS I SAID EARLIER TOWN FOURTH COLUMN FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. IN '23 YOU HAD 15 MILLION. >> WHAT PAGE? >> PAGE 3. EXISTING DEBT SERVICE. IF YOU DO NOTHING IF YOU DO NOTHING ABOUT ANY FINANCING, FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE THAT'S YOUR PAYMENT STRUCTURE. AND YOU PAY THAT BY USING TWO THINGS. ONCE USING YOUR INTEREST BECAUSE THIRD COLUMN FROM RIGHT TO LEFT, AND YOUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT WHICH IS RECTANGLE ON THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER 3,200,000. THAT'S WHAT IS IN YOUR SAVING ACCOUNT IN THIS PARTICULAR FUND. IN '21 YOUR FUND BALANCE IN THIS PARTICULAR WAS ABOUT [02:05:02] 3,800,000. EVERY TIME WE CAME TO COURT IN ANTICIPATION OF KEEPING THE TAX RATE THE SAME LEVEL THE TAX LEAVE YEAR FOR THAT MATTER WE'VE CONTEMPLATED USING A PORTION OF THAT FUND BALANCE. THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR COUNTIES YOUR SIZE THAT WHEN YOU SET A TAX RATE, SETTING UP A TAX RATE A LOT OF TIME MAY ALLOW YOU TO COLLECT MORE SURPLUS REVENUES WHETHER BY VIRTUE OF THE DELINQUENCIES OR PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE LATE PAYMENTS. A LOT OF TIME THAT FUND BALANCE GETS ACCUMULATED BECAUSE OF THAT. WE USED FUND BALANCE TO UP SET HAVING TO RAISE THE TAX RATE WITH YOU NEED TO BE AT. IF YOU CAN SEE ON THAT SAME COLUMN, IF YOU RIGHT NOW HAVE 3,200,000. VERY LIKELY IF YOU BORROW NOTHING YOU END UP WITH 1,600,000 IN A COUPLE OF YEAR. WE USE THE SAVING ACCOUNT TO GET YOU TO WHERE YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT TAX RATE. LAST YEAR THERE 2022, WE WERE 4.47 CENTS FOR INS. THIS YEAR YOU DROPPED BY A QUARTER OF A CENT. THAT'S ON THE THIRD COLUMN THERE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOUR DEBT. WE'VE BEEN ASKED WHAT IF YOU WANT TO FINANCE THIS EQUIPMENT? FIRST OF ALL WHAT CAN WE FINANCE IT WITH. THERE'S THREE OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN USE FOR FINANCING. FOR RULES AND LAWS. WE DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE THE AMOUNT FINANCEABLE BUT BECAUSE WE GOT SOME BIDS THAT I THINK ARE COMING BEFORE YOU AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. LET'S ASSUME IF YOU BORROW 6 MILLION DOLLARS, IF YOU WERE TO BORROW 6 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS, THE INTEREST RATE YOU WILL GET IS ABOUT 3.84%. AND YOUR PAYMENTS ARE ON THAT BLUE QUAD DRANT ON PAGE FOUR. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PAYMENTS OF STRUCTURAL OVER TEN YEARS, AND THEY ARE IN NEIGHBORHOOD BY $700,000 ON AVERAGE. IF YOU DO THAT, AND ADD TO CURRENT DEBT, AND YOU KEEP THE TAX RATE AGAIN THE SAME, AS YOU DID THIS YEAR, YOUR SAVING ACCOUNT WILL DROP INTO THE NEGATIVE BY 2025-2026. YOU WILL DEPLETE THE 3 MILLION DOLLARS UNLESS YOU LEVEE A HIGHER TAX RATE. WE'RE USING ALREADY SOME ASSUMPTION FOR GROWTH IN PROPERTY VALUES. IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT, I SUGGEST WE DO OUR BEST TO PROTECT, OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND THAT FUND BALANCE THERE'S ANOTHER THING YOU CAN DO IF YOU TURN TO PAGE FIVE, AND THAT IS SIMULTANEOUS WITH THIS LOAN, IF THIS LOAN WILL BE 6, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WHATEVER YOU DO. IF YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE, IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS IN EFFORT TO PRESERVE THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO RESTRUCTURING OF A PORTION OF YOUR 165 MILLION FROM DEBT. 5 OR 6 MILLION OF DEBT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SACRIFICE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT. NOT IMPACT THE TAX RATE. THAT'S TWO SOLUTIONS ON PAGE FIVE. PAGE 6. >> WHERE DO YOU SHOW THE 6% -- IS THAT 6480. >> YES. THAT WOULD BE REFUNDING. >> WE WOULD BORROW 6655. >>> FORGET ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED TO BORROW. THINK OF -- IF YOU GO TO PAGE 2,ING ON PAGE 2 THERE'S NINE LOANS. THE BOTTOM LINE IT'S A CO [02:10:03] ISSUED IN 2015. THERE'S 13,500,000. I DON'T WANT TO PAY YOU. AT THE PREAGREED INTEREST RATE BACK IN 2015, I WILL TAKE A PORTION OF THE 10,740,000. ONLY I WANT TO TAKE 6,480,000 OUT OF THAT 10 MILLION PLUS AND EXCHANGE THOSE BONDS. WHY? BECAUSE IT WILL GIVE YOU SOME RELIEF ON THE FIRST THREE YEARS IF YOU LOOK AT THAT COLUMN AND BEIGE, YOU LACK AT THE FIRST THREE YEARS. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE REDUCTION IN YOUR PAYMENTS STRUCTURE IN AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE YOUR FUND BALANCE. LET'S GO OUT 12. PAGE 6 YOU STILL GET INTO THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW -- LESSER HOLE BUT YOU WILL STILL BE IN THE HOLE BY 2025 WHICH 200,000. YOUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT IS DROPPING. IF WE LOST RATING IT'S A COMBINATION OF YOUR GENERAL FUND BALANCE. CONGRATULATIONS YOU'VE BEEN IMPROVING THE FUND BALANCE. INS IS NOW GETTING TO BE A LITTLE BIT IN THE RED SIDE. THAT'S PRESENTATION TODAY. I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> YOU SAY WE BORE YOI 648 FROM 1074. >> THE 6 WON'T BE THERE NO MORE. GIVE A BALANCE OF 474. >> SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> RIGHT. >> JUST LIKE THE PRINCIPLE IN THIS LOAN. YOU HAS PRINCIPLE ON THE 2015 THAT WE'RE PROPOSED TO RESTRUCTURE. YOU THINK OUR PRINCIPLE ENOUGH PRINCIPLE TO CREATE THAT WINDOW. THEY HAVE TO NOT INCREASE TAX RATE. OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, THEN YOU HAVE TO RAISE TAXES TO FINANCE THIS PROJECT. >> THAT WILL BE A SEPARATE PAYMENT YOU HAVE MAKE FOR THE 6 MILLION. HOW MUCH WILL IT BE? >> BASICALLY, THE PAYMENTS YOU GET TO SAVE MONEY ON THE FRONT END OF THE 2022 BOND -- LET'S SAY YOU DO THIS. IN 2022, YOU SAVE 355 IN COMPARISON WHAT YOU PAY FOR 2015. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO HELP. WE NEED THE HELP IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS. AFTER THAT IN THE FOURTH YEAR, YOUR PAYMENTS GO HIGHER BY 285. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THE COMPARABLE. >> ON PAGE TEN OF OUR PACKET, IT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE THAT'S THE DATA I LIKE TO LOOK AT. I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER [02:15:07] PICTURE. DOES THAT HAVE IMPACT ON THIS BOTTOM LINE? WHEN I LOOK AT THIS. I LOOK AT RATING STRUCTURE. THE THREE MAIN ORGANIZATION. WE WE USE THE S&P 500 AND MOODY'S. AND SO LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER. WE'RE DOING OUR JOB AND THAT OUR RESERVE IS GOING UP. THAT'S HELPING US. >> GENERAL FUND. >> THE GENERAL FUND. BUT THAT THE PROBLEM WAS MAYBE INS WHAT YOU SAID. THAT -- THAT'S MY CONCERN. WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DOES THEY HAVE ANY BEARING. HELP US SEE -- TO ME THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FINANCE BONDING TERMS. MOST OF THE CATEGORIES. MOST OF THE WE DO WELL. WE'RE AT NUMBER 10. THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE'RE AT LEAST AVERAGE. A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN AVERAGE. OR MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE SHOULD BE. THAT'S MY CONCERN WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY -- DOES IT HAVE ANY BARING AT ALL. TOO TINY OF AN AMOUNT WE'RE DEALING WITH TO HAVE IMPACT? >> I WON'T HAVE IMPACT. I THINK AT THE END, WHAT MAY IMPACT YOU THE FACT THAT IF FUND BALANCE YOUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND FUND COULD GET DOWN TO ZERO IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND THUS IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT THE POLICY OF THIS COMMISSION WHICH HAS BEEN A CONSERVATIVE POLICY. YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACT. YOU ARE NUMBER 15. WELL, AS FAR AS DEBT IS CONCERNED, YOU BEYOND THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK. YOU ARE ON THE TOP TEN. IF YOU GET TO PAGE 11, ON PAGE 11, YOU'RE NUMBER 9 IN TOTAL TAX RATE. THE TOTAL TAX RATE. THERE'S EIGHT COUNTIES ACROSS TEXAS AMONG THE TOP 25 LARGEST COUNTIES IN TEXAS WITH LOWER TAX RATE THAN YOU. I'M SORRY. TOTAL TAX RATE. YOU'RE NUMBER 6. >> NUMBER 6. >> WE'RE NUMBER SIX WITH OUR TAX RATE? >> YEAH. >> THERE'S ONLY FIVE COUNTY BETTER IN THE STATE WITH LOWER TAX RATE THAN NEUSES COUNTY. >> WHERE ARE THE CAMERAS FOR THAT. >> I GOT YOU. I WILL BE BLASTING THAT MOMENTARILY. >> IT'S ACCURATE. >> THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GREAT. AND I AGREE. WE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE OVER THE YEARS. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- I AM CONTENT WITH BEING AVERAGE. BUT TOP SIX? THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GET AND WHAT WE SUPPORT. >> WAIT HOLD ON. WHAT WAS THE ONE WE'RE IN THE BOTTOM ON THE DEBT? >> ON PAGE 10. >> PAGE 10. >> LET'S BLAST THAT ONE. ONE OF THE WORST COUNTIES ON DEBT. >> IT'S THE OPPOSITE. >> I WALKED AROUND. >> YOU WALKED AROUND. >> YOU HAVE A BACK PROBLEM LIKE I DO. >> ON PAGE TEN YOU SEE THE COUNTIES STAND AT 166 MILLION. ONLY NINE COUNTY HAVE LESS DEBT THAN YOU DO. ON PAGE 11, ONLY FIVE COUNTIES HAVE LOWER DEBT THAN YOU. DALLAS COUNTY IS ONE. SAN ANTONIO, PLANO, NORTH TEXAS AND THEN US. >> THAT'S GOOD. THAT MEANS WE'VE RAISED TAXES LESS THAN EVERYONE ELSE. >> THAT'S AS OF 2021. NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE THE 2022 TAX RATE I BELIEVE THERE. AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT WHAT THAT IS. IS THAT WHAT YOU ADOPTED? >> THE NUMBERS GET UPDATED ALL THE TIME. >> WE'RE 29 THIS YEAR, I THINK. >> THAT'S A LOWER NUMBER. THIS IS HIGHER NUMBER THAN WHAT YOU ADOPTED. YOU BOW -- GO IN THAT DIRECTION. IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT YOUR SAVING ACCOUNT AND KEEP THE TAX RATE UNTOUCHED BY DOING RESTRUCTURING. AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AND AT MINUSCULE COST. IT WILL COST YOU SOMETHING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONCE ON [02:20:12] READ WHERE YOU COME ON THE LAST. YOU ARE STILL YOU ARE LOWER THAN PEERS. THEY HAVE 155% OF SAVING ACCOUNT IN THEIR SAVING ACCOUNT IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. HARD TO JUSTIFY THAT. YOU ARE 26%. AND GROWING. BUT YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO YOUR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS, WE LACK AT THIS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF IT. IF YOU WERE TO SAY OKAY LET'S GIVE THE TOOLS TO STAFF, LET'S GET THE SYSTEM AND THE EQUIPMENT. I THINK MICHAEL COMES OVER THE NEXT MEETING AND TELLS YOU WHAT THE FINAL BIDS ARE. THE NUMBER BETTER THAN SIX WHICH IS GOOD. BUT IT'S STILL A BIGGER NUMBER THAN BORROWING NOTHING. AND IF YOU -- IF YOU GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO PROCEED, TODAY WE WILL COME TO YOU SOMETIME ON NOVEMBER THE 16TH. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO PROCEED SO WE KNOW WE WE ARE AT. >> THIS IS A PRESENTATION. THERE'S NO ACTION ITEM ON THIS. >> WAS THERE? >> THAT'S ALL I SAW. >> JUST A PRESENTATION. >> I GUESS WE COME BACK ON THE 12TH OF OCTOBER. >> WE CAN COME BACK ON THE 12TH. >> THE OBJECTIVE IS TO HAVE THIS DONE -- IF EVERYBODY GIVES A NOD ON THIS, DO IT ON THE 16TH. >> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BRING BACK -- >> I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT THE AGENDA SAID. >> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BRING BACK TO RECOMMEND EXACTLY SO I CAN --. >> WE WOULD RECOMMEND FOR YOU TO DO 6 MILLION DOLLAR PERSONAL PROPERTY CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION. IF IT'S THREE MILLION, WE DO THREE. YOU HAVE TO RELY ON WHAT THE BIDS REFLECT. YOU HAVEN'T PUBLISHED THE BIDS. I ASSUME YOU WILL ANNOUNCE THOSE. >> WE'RE WAITING ON THE FUNDING SOURCE. YOU GET THE FUNDING SOURCE FIRST? >> WE'VE DONE -- WE'VE PUT OUT THE -- IT'S BEEN DONE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO DO IT. >> GO AHEAD AND USE THE MIC. >> WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO IT. THAT'S WHY YOU ARE HERE TO GIVE US SUGGESTIONS. WE DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE. [INAUDIBLE] >> JUST COME ON THE MIC. >> I DON'T KNOW THE FINAL AMOUNT. IT WILL COST US X. I COULD GIVE YOU THAT AT THAT MOMENT. IF I COME ON THE 12TH TO GIVE YOU RECOMMENDATION -- >> WE DIDN'T MAKE A DECISION YET. BECAUSE THE COURT ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT ON THE 12TH. WE CAN HAVE THE -- THE COURT WILL MAKE A DECISION FIRST. THERE'S MULTIPLE BIDS. YOU WILL HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER ON THE 12TH. >> THEN TOWN 12TH, I WILL BRING YOU WITH THAT EXACT NUMBER. I'M ASSUMING TODAY I CAN TELL YOU CATEGORICALLY, IF YOU WANT TO FIND THE FUNDING SOURCE, THIS IS ONE WAY TO FIND THE FUNDING SOURCE. YOU BORROW THE MONEY. YOU DO SLIGHT RESTRUCTURE AND YOU ARE THERE. >> CORRECT. >> IT KEEP -- PROTECTS THE POLICY OF THE COURT TO NOT RAISE TAXES THAT PERTAINS TO DEBT. >> EXACTLY. JUST TO REPHRASE. NOT REPHRASE, BUT TO REITERATE. THIS PARTICULAR SOFTWARE WAS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ARPA. IT WAS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CO-21. >>> MY QUESTION IS IN GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH, I LIKE WHEN THE DEBT SERVICE RATE STARTS TO GO DOWN. THAT GIVES ME SOME HOPE THAT MAYBE -- SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE MAYBE THE TAX RATE MIGHT. BUT IF WE DO WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING -- TAKE ME BACK TO THE PAGE -- IF WE DO WHAT YOU ARE PRO POSTING DOESN'T THAT KEEP FR IT FROM GOING DOWN. >> I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU TO BORROW THE MONEY. >> RESTRUCTURING THE BORROWING. >> IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE TAX RATE. YOU CAN BORROW THE MONEY AND [02:25:04] RAISE TAXES THE. >> YOU SAY IF WE RESTRUCTURE. THAT'S BORROWING MONEY. THAT'S GETTING MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> WHAT'S YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER? >> RESTRUCTURING. HE WANTS TO KNOW WHETHER THAT'S BORROWING OR NOT. >> YES. I SAID TO YOU EARLIER A MINUTE AGO I SAID YOU WILL CHANGE ALL BONDS. >> IF WE RESTRUCTURE WHATEVER THIS IS TO GET MORE MONEY, WE WILL BE BORROWING WHICH MEANS THEY WILL NOT PAY DOWN DEBT SOONER. THEY WILL INCREASE DEBT. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> OUR DEBT RATE WON'T GO DOWN -- >> YOU TALK ABOUT A VERY DE MIMIMUS AMOUNT. >> IT'S YOUR INS. >> IT'S NOT MILLION. IF YOU GO TO PAGE FOUR. LET ME TAKE YOU THERE. ON PAGE FOUR -- OR PAGE FIVE. I'M SORRY. THE FINANCING -- >> MILLIONS IS NOT DE MIMIMUS. >> IF I OWE YOU A MILLION. AND I WANT TO RESTRUCTURE THAT MILLION I WILL BRING YOU ANOTHER MILLION. YOU ARE NOT GIVING ME CREDIT FOR PAYING OFF THE MILLION DOLLARS I BROUGHT YOU IN. THAT'S WHAT RESTRUCTURING IS. >> RESTRUCTURING IS ADDING DEBT -- >> I TOLD YOU, YOU WERE. IT'S NOT MILLION OF DOLLARS, COMMISSIONER. >> WHEN YOU HAVE A LIKE US, WHERE YOU ARE BORROWING, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T IT WILL CAUSE A POTENTIAL CRASH OF YOUR SYSTEM CAUSING MILLION AND MILLIONS OF OTHER DOLLARS, YOU HAVE TO DO BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS OF THAT RESTRUCTURING OF THE DEBT. >> I'M NOT DEBATING THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS SAYING TOWN DEBT. >> HE'S SAYING THAT YOU ARE -- >> I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE DEBATING. YOU ARE SAYING TO ME RESTRUCTURE IS NOT ADDING DEBT. RESTRUCTURING DOES ADD DEBT. IF YOU WANT >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ SAID, HOW FAR OUT ARE WE PAYING THIS DEBT? WERE GONNA DO IT WITH THE SAME PARAMETERS. >> WE ARE STILL BORROWING POTENTIALLY ANYWHERE BETWEEN 4 AND $8 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PRICE IS OF THE SOFTWARE. WE ARE STILL INCURRING THAT. >> NOW YOU'RE MIXING APPLES WITH ORANGES. WERE GONNA PAY FOR THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE HALF-MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S NEW DEBT. THAT'S WHAT YOU ADDED TO THE BOOKS. IF YOU SAY TO ME, WITH THE RESTRUCTURING WHAT ARE WE ACHIEVING? THE RESTRUCTURE WILL ACHIEVE FOR YOU TO INCREASE RATES AND MOST PORTLY PRESERVE YOUR FUND BALANCES TO A POINT. I CANNOT DO ANYTHING FOR ANYTHING WITH PRE-FUND BALANCES. RIGHT NOW BEEN LOWERING THE PACK TAX RATE IRREGARDLESS WITH YOUR BORROWING MONEY OR NOT. YOUR LOWERING THE TAX RATE. EVERY YEAR I'M COMING HERE AND USING THE TAX RATE. IF YOU BORROW NOTHING YOU'RE GONNA GET AWAY WITHOUT FUND BALANCE SOONER OR LATER. NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME I WANT TO BORROW $6 MILLION. OH, IF YOU ARE $6 BILLION AND YOU WANT TO PROTECT THAT FUND BALANCE YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR EXISTING DEBT. RESTRUCTURE IT AND LOWER THE PAYMENTS BECAUSE YOU ORIGINALLY ABOUT REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT 9 LOANS. ONE OF THE LOANS IS PAIN AGGRESSIVELY. LET'S ADJUST THAT TO NOT BE SO AGGRESSIVE. IN ACHIEVE WHAT THIS COURT HAS ALWAYS TOLD US TO TRY TO ACHIEVE. THAT'S KEEP THE TAX RATE LOW AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FINANCE SOMETHING. THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO. >> YEAH. I GET YOUR OBJECTIVE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WERE PROBABLY MORE MONEY. >> YOUR BORROWING THIS EXPLAIN DOLLARS. THAT'S WHAT YOUR BORROWING. >> RATES AREN'T SUPER GOOD. >> IF YOU LOOK, YOU AND I HAVE BEEN OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHAT THE RATES WERE 40 YEARS AGO. >> WILL YOUNG. >> TODAY YOU'RE PROBABLY, I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. TODAY MORTGAGE RATE FOR 30 YEAR MORTGAGE IS ALMOST 7 PERCENT. BACK IN FEBRUARY THEY WERE AT 3 AND HALF PERCENT. SO RATES ARE TWICE AS MUCH AS THEY WERE BACK IN FEBRUARY. I MEET YOU AND I HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS OF PUBLIC POLICY, PUBLIC GOVERNMENT FOR A WHILE. WE WOULD'VE DONE THE 6 MONTHS AGO YOU WOULD'VE HAD A LOWER RATE. ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU'VE GOT OTHER ISSUES.F YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S A POLICY ISSUE. [02:30:05] >> NOT TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST CLEAR. WE'VE CHANGED THE WAY WE'VE DONE THINGS IN OUR INSURANCES. WE'VE GONE IN AND SAID WE DON'T WANT TO PAY. I'M ASKING YOU FOR THIS FOR REASON.'M NOT TRY TO BE INSULTING. REMIND ME HOW YOU GET PAID ON THESE THINGS? >> GET PAID OTHER BOND PROCEEDS. ON A $4 MILLION ISSUE OUR FIRM WILL MAKE ABOUT 25,000 BUCKS. WE GOTTA PAY LAWYERS, AGENCIES, AND IF YOU DO THE RESTRICTION OF 6 BLANKETS ANOTHER 25,000. >> MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR INSURANCE, PROPERTY CASUALTY AND HEALTH. WE'VE SAID WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP PAYING PEOPLE COMMISSIONS. WE RATHER PAY SOMEONE ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO GIVE US THE BEST DEAL AND NOT THAT I DON'T THANK YOU ARE. DEDICATING THIS BECAUSE I MUCH UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT BE WISE FOR THIS COURT TO LOOK AT THESE KINDS OF THINGS IN OUR DEBT ALSO BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO PAY NO WE A CERTAIN AMOUNT A MONTH TO DO THIS FOR US ALL THE TIME. WATCH THE STUFF AND LOOK AT THE STUFF AND SEE WHERE WE NEED TO RESTRUCTURE. SO WERE NOT WORRIED ABOUT PAYING A COMMISSION. WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IS HER WAY WE DO THAT THAT WILL BE BETTER FOR THIS COUNTY? WHEN WERE HAVING THIS INSURANCE DISCUSSIONS, I WAS FELT LIKE, OH MY GOSH THOSE GUYS ARE MAKING BIG COMMISSIONS. EVERY REALLY GETTING THE BEST DEAL RIGHT? WE SWITCHED IT. I THINK IT SERVED US VERY WELL. WE PAY THEM A MONTHLY AMOUNT. THIS IT WAS LOTS MONEY. MAYBE ROUTE TO LOOK AT SOME SORT OF CONTRACT WITH YOU THAT SINCE HIS STATED OF PAYING US ANY STILL THAT COMES UP WE SAY, OR PAY NO WE EXPELLED PER MONTH. YOU GET A COMMISSION ANYMORE BUT COME WE WANT YOU TO WATCH EVERYTHING. WE WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THIS ALL THE TIME AND REGULARLY. HOW CAN WE DO IT, WHEN SHOULD WE DO IT? STILL, IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER OVER NOT PAYING SOMEONE A COMMISSION AND YOURS IS PROBABLY THE SMALLEST ONE WE PAY. I GET IT. SO ABSORBED OR ANYTHING. I KNOW IT'S A BIGGER PICTURE DISCUSSIONS OKAY WE ARE HERE. >> SO JUST YOU KNOW UNDERWRITERS GET THE SAME TYPE OF COMMISSION TOO. YOU'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO REITERATE, WE CALLED DELETE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND HE'S HERE AT OUR REQUEST. HE IS NOT HERE TRYING TO SELL. HE IS HERE TRYING TO HELP US. COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT'S VERY WELL. THIS COURT HISTORICALLY DID NOT PROVIDE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHETHER IT SOFTWARE ELEVATORS OR HVAC OR ROOF OR WHATEVER FOR OVER A DECADE. SO NOW IT'S ALL COMING TO RUE IT'S NOT SURPRISING WE NEED TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION. AFTER 30 YEARS THE SOFTWARE IS NO LONGER SOFTWARE FOR OUR FUTURE. AGAIN, SOME OF THE IMPORTANT TOPICS HERE WE THOUGHT WE COULD USE SOME OF THE DOLLARS WE HAD. BUT, THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE. WE JUST DEMONSTRATED ALTHOUGH HE JUST LEFT, CONVENIENT. WE ARE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE STATE IN MULTIPLE CATEGORIES. THEY DON'T LIKE THE NARRATIVE. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT. THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT WE ARE A LOW TAX RATE, LOW DEBT COUNTY AND OUR DEBT TO VALUE RATIO IS EXCELLENT. BESIDES THAT WE'VE GOT GROWTH ON OUR HORIZON. THAT INTEREST IN SEEKING FUND IS DEFINITELY MINUTE BUT, IT'S ONLY ONE PIECE OF THE EQUATION. RIGHT NOW WE WAIT YOU GOT AND MET OUT IN INS. DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR TAX RATE IS, YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU NEED TO SUPPORT THE DEAD AND THAT'S WHAT CONTROLLED THE INS. YOU'RE GIVING US AN UNBELIEVABLE WAY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, RIGHT? TOOK 30 YEARS TO GET TO THE OBSOLETE. IT'S GREAT. SO THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING WITH FACTS AND FIGURES. HOW FINANCIALLY STRONG AND PRUDENT WE'VE BEEN THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY NEXT TIME TO MAKE A DECISION. >> IF WE FIND $2 MILLION JUST BROUGHT $4 MILLION? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT COULD BE THE SAME THING, CORRECT? ANYWAY, THIS IS FOR NEXT MEETING I GUESS. WHEN I COULD'VE PUT ON ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INFORMATION. >> AND IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE? IF COMMISSIONERS WANT TO TALK TO YOU. YOU'RE AVAILABLE FOR MORE INFORMATION. >> YEP. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL CATCH YOU NEXT TIME. >> NOBODY, CAN YOU FIND $2 [4. Discuss and consider submission of grant application to the General Land Office, Community Development Block Grant Mitigation Funds (Local Hazard Mitigation Plans Program) for update of the Nueces County Hazard Mitigation Action Plan.] [02:35:01] MILLION? >> THAT'S ALREADY ELIGIBLE. I'VE GOT LOUIS RAY AND LINDA BELOW FOR GRANT APPLICATION LOOKING MITIGATION FUNDS PROGRAM. REGARDING NUECES COUNTY MAP PLAN. WE WE SKIPPED YOU EARLIER. TO DO THIS IF YOU WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT ANYTHING REGARDING GENERAL INFORMATION, WE WILL DO THIS ITEM THINK OF STRAIGHT INTO YOU. WE WILL TAKE THIS FIRST. GOOD AFTERNOON COURT BUCKS GOOD AFTERNOON. >> CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME?> YES, YES SIR. >> WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL AND OFFICE AVAILABILITY OF ABOUT $25 MILLION THAT THEY ARE GOING TO ISSUE OUT AND GRANTS TO COUPLE THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLANS THAT THEY HAVE. ABOUT $25 MILLION THEY ARE OPTING 20,000 200,000 OF THAT WITH NO MATCH FUNDING FOR THE CREATION OF HAZARD MITIGATION ACTION PLAN. WE ARE HERE TO ASK THAT WE BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT. WE HAVE STRONG FEELINGS THAT WE WILL BE APPROVED FOR IT. WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO THE GL LOW HARDLY ANYONE HAS APPLIED FOR THE GRANT ITSELF. OUR AT EACH MOUNT HAS GONE BACK TO 2015 WHEN WE STARTED DOING FOR THE COUNTY. FOR THEY WERE DOING IT AS A REGION. NOW WERE DOING AS A COUNTY FEMA WANTS US TO HAVE MORE LOCALIZED PLAN. WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT FOR THIS TERM THROUGH ¦ WE WERE DENIED OUT. WE DID NOT MEET THE CATEGORIES TO RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS. >> THANK YOU LOUIS. AGAIN, 100 PERCENT MATCH ON THIS ONE. >> CORRECT. >> YES. OKAY. GREAT. JUST TO NOT GET YOU GUYS CONFUSED. THIS IS THE STATE OWN LITTLE POT. NOT OURS. THEY TEND TO USE THE SAME ACRONYMS. IT IS A ¦ >> ZERO MATCH. >> IT'S A STATES THAT NOT ANY OF OUR DOLLARS. WHICH IS THE WAY WE LIKE IT. THE BAY IT'S BEST FOR ALL OF US. I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO GET SOME DISCUSSION IF THERE IS ANY. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. MOTION AND A SECOND. LOUIS WILL YOU BE ABLE TO GET THIS THING QUICKLY? >> WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO PUTTING IT IN RIGHT NOW.>> KEEP US POSTED. ANY QUESTIONS FOR LOUIS AND MELINDA? RECOGNITION FOR LINDA MALONE. SHE DOESN'T COME TO COURT. SHE'S WORKING ON RECOVERY. IT'S NICE TO SEE FACES IN OUR BUILDING WORKING. SHE WORKS VERY HARD. REALLY FOCUS ON ANY ACTION HAVING TO DO WITH RECOVERY. >> NICE TO MEET YOU COURT. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSE, SAME TIME? OKAY, WE ARE SO THANKFUL THAT WE MOVED IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. >> YES JUDGE. RIGHT NOW IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S GOING TO HIT THE WESTERN SIDE OF FLORIDA. THEN GOING THROUGH THE UNITED STATES AT THAT POINT. OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS NOT QUOTED BE SO MUCH FROM THE STORM ITSELF BUT THE RESIDUAL STORM IN THE GULF. IF THERE'S STORM THE GOLF YOU THINK OF THE GULF AS LIKE A TUB. IF THERE'S A SPONSORS AREA THAT WILL BE AFFECTED. WE ARE CONCERNING OURSELVES WITH MAYBE COASTAL TITLE FLOODING IN SOME OF OUR LOW-LYING AREAS BECAUSE OF THE STORM. I'M GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A FEW PEOPLE TOMORROW TO MAKE SURE WE ARE READY FOR THAT IN CASE THAT HAPPENS. IF IT'S GOING TO BE FLOODING, IT WILL BE ON THE COASTAL AREA SO WE DON'T. >> ALSO I READ, BY THE WAY THANK YOU FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH THE SITUATION AWARENESS CALLS THAT YOU GET ON FOR US. YOU'VE BEEN ON THEM, NONSTOP SINCE THE STORM WAS IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL THREAT TO THE GOLF. RIP CURRENT'S GUYS. THOSE OF YOU THAT HELP WITH DISHONEST SMITH FOUNDATION. WE COULD SEE SOME NASTY DANGEROUS RIPS. WORK WENT TO WANT TO KEEP OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FACEBOOK FOCUSED ON THE RED FLAGS. COASTAL PARKS. WE CAN DO GOOD JOBS TO IDENTIFY THAT. THAT WAS ONE THING I TOOK AWAY FROM YOUR SLIDES. QUICK SPEC GREAT JUDGE. ANYTIME WE HAVE A STORM THAT WILL HIT THE GULF WERE GOING TO DO OUR DATA TO MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECT AND MAKE SURE WE [02:40:02] CONTACT PEOPLE FOR THOSE THAT NEED CONTACT FOR OUR PERSONNEL WHO NEED INSTRUMENTAL HELP. WE'VE DONE THAT AS WELL. ANOTHER THING WE ARE LOOKING AT IS, THERE'S GOT TO BE A LOW SYSTEM COMING THROUGH. LOOK FOR A DIP IN TEMPERATURES FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK. THE HIGHS WILL BE ABOUT 90 DEGREES AND NOT 100. AND THE COOL WILL BE FROM THE 60S. THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR. WHEN IT GETS COLD THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE ABOUT 30 DEGREES. WE ARE NOT USED TO THAT YET. >> GOT IT. [5. Discuss and consider next Commissioners Court meeting date.] THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. OKAY. WE'VE GOT ITEM NUMBER 5 WOULD BE OCTOBER 19. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SO SORRY, THE 12TH. THAT'S REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. WE HAVE THE ONE ON THE 19TH TOO ON THE CALENDAR. I JUST SKIP THAT ONE. [1. Approve Budget Change Order No. 22 for Fiscal Year 2021-2022.] THERE'S NO NEED OR ACTIONS. IT'S A REGULAR ONE. FOR THE AUDITOR, THERE'S A CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 22. LISA, COULD YOU BELIEVE THAT IS THROUGH THE CHANGE ORDER. ASK YES MA'AM. HELLO COURT. TODAY IS BUDGET ORDER 22 I SUBMIT FOR YOUR APPROVAL. FOR THE MOST PART IT'S JUST DEPARTMENTS COVERING ANY KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED SHORTAGES. THE COUNTY CLERK IS MOVING MONIES FROM SOME OF HER FUNDS WERE SHE HAD SAVINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO HELP OFFSET SOME ELECTION COST'S. THERE WAS A ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WAS PURCHASED FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUNDS. THAT IS BEING MOVED OVER TO COVER THAT FROM CONTINGENCY. YOU WILL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A COMMENT, IF THAT'S OKAY. >> YEAH. >> THE ELECTION FUNDS, AFTER THE BUDGET LAST YEAR, REMEMBER OUR TEXAS LEGISLATOR DURING THE SPECIAL WE HAD TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CONSTITUTIONAL ELECTION THAT WAS NOT PLAN FOR IN THE BUDGET. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. >> YES. SHE WAS VERY PHYSICALLY CONSERVATIVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SHE WAS ABLE TO MOVE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS FROM HER OTHER DEPARTMENTS OVER TO COVER. >> 'S WE MOVED IT OVER LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU. YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING MORE DURING THIS TIME? IT'S OKAY TO ASK.> NO, THANK YOU FOR ASKING. >> IT'S HECTIC RIGHT NOW. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER. >> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I GUYS, NO NEED ABOUT WE PUT THIS ON JUST IN CASE WE NEEDED OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH JENNY OR SANDY GOMEZ. THERE IS NO NEED AT THIS POINT. THEREFORE WE CONCLUDED ALL OF OUR ACTIONS. HOLD ON, KAREN IS GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT. CARA? [ Adjournment in Memory (upon request)] I LEAVE? ARE COMPLETE AND WE STAND ADJOURNED AT 4:46. >> I HAVE A OBITUARY WORKS I WILL HOLD ON THE 4:46 ADJOURNMENT. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THEM? >> FIRST I WOULD ASK IF WE COULD JUST TAKE A QUICK MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR THOSE LONDON FAMILIES THAT WERE THAT TRAGIC WEEKEND THIS WEEKEND. THERE'S A COUPLE OF YOUNG MEN WHO ARE IN BAD SHAPE. I WOULD ASK WE TAKE A MOMENT TO REFLECT REMEMBER THEM. THEY ARE STILL WITH US THANKFULLY BUT THERE IN BAD SHAPE AND I WOULD HOPE EVERYONE COULD TAKE A MOMENT TO REFLECT ON THAT. >> LET'S DO THAT FOR 60 SECONDS. I WILL TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> JUDGE, THE FIRST ONE I HAVE TO YOU AS A DEAR FRIEND OF THE COMMUNITY AND DEAR FRIEND OF MINE FORMER NEIGHBOR, ALAN STONER. MR. STONER PASSED AWAY AT [02:45:02] MERIDOR RETIREMENT COMMUNITY ON SEPTEMBER 9, 2022:A LENGTHY ILLNESS. HE WAS BORN IN KENT ENGLAND. SECOND OF 3 CHILDREN. HIS FAMILY RELOCATED IRELAND IN 1936. HE CLAIMED HIS BELOVED CITY DUBLIN AS HIS OWN TOWN. HE IMMIGRATED TO THE UNITED STATES IN OCTOBER 1954 AND WAS RECRUITED BY THE WHATABURGER. HE BEGAN HIS BUSINESS CAREER WHATABURGER IN MCALLEN TEXAS. LIVING THERE FOR MY 254 TO 1976 DURING WHICH TIME HE DEVELOPED THE RIO GRANDE MARKET AREA OF WHATABURGER. WHATABURGER GREW HIS FAMILY MOVED TO CORPORATE CHRISTINE 1976 WE CONTINUED TO SERVE WHATABURGER AND VARIOUS PUNISHMENTS INCLUDING SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF MANAGEMENT. E SERVED AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AFTER HIS RETIREMENT WHATABURGER 1993 HE BECAME ACTIVE IN BUSINESS ACTIVITY IN CLOSING ÃÃPRINT ELLEN SPOKE ABOUT HOW HE AND AMY WERE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVED IN A DREAM. HIS ATTACKS BY TWICE AND HAD DEEP ROOTS IN TEXAS OIL. HE SPOKE SPANISH FLUENTLY IN THE VISUAL CULTURE. HE MAINTAINED A GREAT LOVE FOR HIS NATIVE IRELAND SPENT MANY SUMMERS IN DUBLIN WITH MIMI. HE WAS A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL MAN. I WOULD CERTAINLY PASS ON THE CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY. I DID ATTEND HIS SERVICE AT SAINT PIUS. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW WONDERFULLY HE WAS TO LIVED NEXT DOOR TO AND GET TO KNOW. HE WAS CERTAINLY THE MOST. MY SECOND ONE TODAY, JUDGE, JEANETTE WINGFIELD. JEANETTE PASSED AWAY AT HER HOME DURING THE EARLY MORNING OF SEPTEMBER 8, 2022. SHE WAS 93 YEARS OLD. RECENTLY SHARED WITH HER FAMILY A PEACEFUL FEELING OF BEING CALLED BACK INTO THE NEAR PRESENCE WITH OUR INTERNAL GONE. JEAN WAS A MARVELOUS COOK AND HOMEMAKER WAS PESCHEL GIFTS FOR SEWING, DECORATING AND GARDENING. AS HER KIDS LEFT HOME SHE HAD TIED DISCOVER GOLF AND BRIDGE. SHE WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE COMMUNITIES OF SAINT BARTHOLOMEW'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH. FIRMS KOCH:. FOR MANY CLUBS INTERFERE OF GOING NEIGHBORHOOD. JANUARY OF THIS YEAR SHE SOLD HER NAME MOVED TO AN APARTMENT IN CORPUS CHRISTI. MS. WINFIELD'S DAUGHTER, MANY HAVE KNOWN TO BE WINFIELD. WILL PASS ON CONDOLENCES TO THE WINFIELD FAMILY. ONLY TODAY JUDGE. ANOTHER ONE YOU HAD INTERACTION WITH. DONALD PARKER, DOCUMENT CLERK DEDICATED AND LOVING HUSBAND, FATHER, PASSED AWAY ON SEPTEMBER 15, 2022. ALONG WITH HIS OLDER BROTHER CAN COME WITH THE GRIP OF THE RULE STUDYING BAYVIEW TEXAS LIVING YOUNG BOY STREAM, HUNTING, FISHING, SWIMMING AND PLINKING ALONG THE COUNTRY ROADS. MR. MCCLURE OBITUARY I WOULD BE HER ALL DAY TO READ THE INCREDIBLE THINGS HE DID IN HIS LOVE FOR CORPUS CHRISTI IN THE AREA. I WOULD PASS ON MY CONDOLENCES TO MR. MCCLURE'S FAMILY AS WELL. ACUTE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COVERING THOSE. MY CONDOLENCES AS WELL. GREAT FRIENDS AND GREAT FAMILY, THE STONERS. VERY SAD TO HEAR ALSO CONDOLENCES TO KATHY'S SELLERS. HER DAD AND TALKING MCCLURE IN HIS PASSING. AND ALL THE OTHERS WE PRAY FOR. WE THANK YOU FOR A GOOD * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.