F. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.

[F. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.]

BORCHARD REGIONAL FAIRGROUNDS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, CAN I ASK THAT WE ADVANCE THE ITEM WHICH IS 3-A-16, SO NOT JUST THEM TALKING AND WE CAN'T RESPOND?

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME FIRST -- HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

LET ME HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND I AM GOING TO DO IT IN THE ORDER. AND LET'S HEAR IT TO MAKE CERTAIN SINCE WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WILL BE -- ALTHOUGH MOST OF THE ITEMS ARE DISTINGUISHED HERE.

SO LET ME LOOK. MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM.

BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK ON THAT AS -- AS WE SEE FIT HERE.

OKAY, THE FIRST PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS LEO RIOS.

ALSO, THOSE OF YOU ONLINE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE USE YOUR VIRTUAL ICON OF A HAND.

WE WILL RECOGNIZE YOU. WE DO HAVE AT LEAST 15 PEOPLE SIGNED UP HERE SO WE WILL -- WE WILL GET TO YOU.

IN ADDITION, LET ME KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME OF THE RULES.

THERE IS A STOP WATCH THAT IS DIGITAL THAT YOU WILL SEE ON YOUR BIG SCREEN. WE ASK KINDLY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I AM NOT ONE TO JUST CUT YOU OFF, BUT OUT OF RESPECT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, WE TRY TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINISH YOUR STATEMENT AS WELL AS BE THOUGHTFUL TO THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE.

I ALSO REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE AGENDA ITEM IS -- IS POSED, YOU CERTAINLY CAN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I WILL LIKE TO ASK AGAIN AND MAKE IT IN A MOTION, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT 3-A-16 TO ADVANCE THAT AND DO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE OTHER THINGS FIRST AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE MOVE UP 3-A-16 SO EVERYBODY THAT IS THAT CAME ABOUT THE ISSUE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IF THAT IS A MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE HAPPY TO ADVANCE IT.

NO NEED SINCE IT IS PUBLIC COMMENT AND NO NOTICE OF -- NEEDED AT ALL TO ADVANCE ANYTHING.

THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SHARE WITH JENNY DORSEY IS THAT 3-A-16 NEEDS TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE THAT IT CONFLICTS WITH. AND I ALREADY LET HER KNOW IT.

WE CAN DISCUSS IT BUT NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS MORNING WITHOUT TAKING CARE OF SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESS THAT IS PRESSING. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO -- I AM HAPPY TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I RUN THOSE BY JENNY.

SHE ADVISED US ALL OF THOSE MEET LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.

I VET THIS THING -- I WILL BE HAPPY TO GO INTO A SHORT EXECUTIVE SESSION IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW WE DO THIS AND GET INVOLVED IN DIALOGUE AND VOTE. ALL OPEN AND TRANSPARENT.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO ASK WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AND IMPORTANT -- BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE ON THIS ISSUE.

SO I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE HERE WHEN WE VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AND THERE ARE LEGAL ISSUES AND I CAN TELL BY JENNY'S BODY LANGUAGE THAT SHE IS NOT READY TO SAY THEY ARE ALL LEGAL BECAUSE CLEARLY CONFLICTS

-- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I ASKED HER. SHE SAID THEY ALL MET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.

>> YOU CAN AGREE TO REASONABLE CONSTRAINTS ON THE COURT IF YOU AGREE. IF YOU AGREE.

IF THE COURT VOTES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO I ASKED THAT. SHE SAID THEY WERE ALL -- THAT'S WHY I PULLED THEM DOWN THE LAST TIME TO WORK ON THE WORDING.

BECAUSE SHE HAD CONCERNS OVER MY WORDING.

I DID EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO DO.

I SAID DOES THIS MEET THE LEGAL -- NOW IT IS A POLICY DECISION.

SHE SAID EVERYTHING IS MET LEGALLY AND UP TO THE COURT TO DECIDE ON POLICIES AND, AGAIN, THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY ON THE COURT. ALL ABOUT OPEN AND TRANSPARENCY.

LET'S DO IT IN THE OPEN. I MEAN -- OR ASK -- I WILL WAIVE -- IF YOU WANT TO ASK A LEGAL QUESTION.

LET'S DO IT NOW. LET'S DO IT IN FRONT OF -- SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE IT PREPLANNED ALREADY --

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>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CALLED DOING YOUR HOMEWORK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN JENNY, WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION -- EACH OF THE POLICIES HAVE A DIFFERENT CONFLICTS WITH REGARDS TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

WE CAN TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME AND I DON'T MIND DOING THAT IN OPEN COURT, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE PARTICULARLY FOR THE RESOLUTIONS. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I WILL DO IS. I AM GOING TO ASK IF EVERYBODY WHO IS SIGNED UP, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN PUBLIC COMMENT

NOT TO 3-A-16. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: A

MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, THANK YOU. I WILL TAKE THOSE FIRST.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND DO 3-A-16 AFTER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THE MEETING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM ASKING THE QUESTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE ABLE TO DO 3-A-16 AFTERWARDS.

I WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AND WELCOME -- WELCOME THOSE THREE. WHO WAS THE LAST -- WAS IT KATHY BACK THERE? OKAY.

TIM DOWLING. NO -- OKAY.

SORRY, I JUST -- I THOUGHT YOUR HAND WAS UP.

WE WILL CALL ON TIM DOWLING WHO IS NOT HERE ON THE RECORD FOR 3-A-16. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, JUDGE. I'M HERE ON 11.

I'M HERE ON 11 AND 12. >>JUDGE CANALES: PLEASE PROCEED.

>> MY NAME IS TIM DOWLING. A MEMBER OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND NOT SPEAKING FOR THE LEAGUE.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT 11 AND 12 AND PERTAINS TO THE LOCATION OF THE EARLY VOTING AND THE REGULAR VOTING ON NOVEMBER 8.

I HAVE TWO POINTS TO MAKE. ONE IS THAT I REQUEST THAT NOT CUT ANYTHING BACK THAT YOU HAVE DONE BEFORE IN THE LAST ELECTION, ESPECIALLY THE LAST MIDTERM ELECTION AND I HEARD THERE MAY BE CONSIDERING FOR THE FIRST WEEK OF EARLY VOTING TO STOP IT AT 5:00. AND THEN THE SECOND WEEK DOING IT UNTIL 7:00. WHAT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU BE CONSISTENT AND DO IT IN THE BROADEST WAY POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT AS POSSIBLE FOR MAYBE PEOPLE TO VOTE AND BOTH WEEKS TO HAVE IT AT 7:00. DON'T HAVE ONE WEEK AT 5:00 OR 7:00. THAT WILL GENERATE CONFUSION.

SOME PEOPLE THAT GO TO WORK AND SAY I TRIED IT THE FIRST WEEK AND RUN INTO SOMEBODY AND THEY SAY I TRIED TO VOTE EARLY, BUT THEY SHUT IT DOWN BY 5:00. I COULDN'T GET THERE BY 5:00.

SOMEBODY PLANNING TO VOTE EARLY -- IT CLOSES AT 5:00, I CAN'T MAKE IT EITHER. THAT WORD IS NOT GOING TO GET OUT TO EVERYBODY. ALL I ASK YOU TO DO IS TO BE CONSISTENT. BE AS BROAD AS POSSIBLE.

KEEP IT REAL SIMPLE. OPEN UNTIL 7:00 ON EVERY DAY AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST ONE SUNDAY OPTION AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY REMA

REMARKS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM SYLVIA CAMPOS ON ITEMS SHE WILL IDEN IDENTIFY.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER -- COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE.

SYLVIA CAMPOS. I GUESS I AM USED TO DOING PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE CITY. WE ALSO HAVE TO ANNOUNCE WHERE WE LIVE. I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS AND I DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE LEAGUE.

WE CELEBRATED OUR 102 YEARS OF HAVING THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE ADVOCATE FOR IS ACCESS TO DEMOCRACY AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY THAT IS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE SHOULD VOTE AND CAN VOTE. AND WE HOPE MAKES IT EASIER.

SO WE ARE HERE BECAUSE -- OR I'M HERE TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE THAT FOR -- FOR OUR CITIZENS. WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT TIM DOWLING JUST SAID AND THE LEAGUE IS ALSO A VOTE SKATING FOR, WHICH IS -- -- ADVOCATING FOR WHICH IS KEEPING VOTING TIMES CONSISTENT. DVOCATING FOR WHICH IS KEEPING VOTING TIMES CONSISTENT. WHAT IS HAPPENING AND I NOTICED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT OUR VOTING LOCATIONS HAVE BEEN DIMINISHED. I USED TO WORK AT BAY AREA HOSPITAL. WE USED TO HAVE A POLLING LOCATION THERE. THAT IS GONE.

I CAN PROBABLY NAME YOU A FEW MORE.

BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE THE POLLING LOCATIONS, LET'S AT LEAST INCREASE THE VOTING HOURS. 7:00 TO 7:00 SOUNDS REASONABLE AND IF WE CAN JUST CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR, YOU KNOW, LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THESE HOURS ARE THERE FOR THEM, FOR US, FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE. WE WILL JUST HAVE THAT MUCH MORE DEMOCRACY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING

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TO US. I AM PLEASED TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE. THIS IS -- I AM PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO START HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY A MORE WELCOMING PLACE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND I LOVE THAT YOU HAVE THE CLOCK YOU CAN SEE AND SEE HOW MUCH TIME YOU ACTUALLY HAVE LEFT.

AGAIN, THANK YOU. ONE OTHER THING.

THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE. I WAS ALSO HERE WITH LAP LISA AND HER MOTHER AND THEY WERE TALKING OF THE VETERAN CEMETERY AND THE MONEY THAT CAN BE USED TO HOPEFULLY PLACE A STATUE AND EVEN DO MORE IRRIGATION FOR THE TREES ARE THAT ARE OUT THERE.

THANK GOD IT HAS BEEN RAINING. A ANYWAY, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO FOR OUR VETERANS, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I WANT TO ASK ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE AS CONNIE LOOKS ONLINE FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN ITEM --

THANK YOU -- OTHER THAN 3-A-16. >> IT'S ON THERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL GO AHEAD AND RECOGNIZE YOU.

MISS BARBIE BAKER AND SHE WILL IDENTIFY THE SUBJECT MATTER.

>>. >>> THANK YOU, JUDGE, COMMISSIONER, BARBIE BAKER, NUECES COUNTY REPUBLICAN CHAIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS 11 AND 12 ALSO.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN THE GENERAL DIRECTIONS, THE COUNTY PARTIES DON'T RUN IT, THE CLERK DOES.

AND I WANT EXPRESS THE GRATITUDE FOR THE COMMUNICATION LINES SHARED WITH US AND THE POTENTIAL LOCATIONS AND THE NUMBERS.

WE ARE -- WE ARE JUST VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT COMMUNICATION AND WORKING WITH US. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE ON A NUMBER ITEM BESIDE 16?

[11. Discuss and consider establishing the Early Voting Polling Locations for the November 8, 2022, General Election.]

[12. Discuss and consider approval of Election Day Vote Centers for the November 8, 2022, General Election.]

OKAY. IN THAT CASE IN ORDER TO GET SOME DISCUSSION, I AM GOING TO ADVANCE 3-A-11.

THAT IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ESTABLISHING THE EARLY VOTING POLLING LOCATIONS FOR THE NOVEMBER 8, 2022 GENERAL ELECTION. THE REASON I AM DOING THAT IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE THIS UP -- NOT REALLY A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COURT TO TAKE THIS UP POST NOON TODAY. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARITY -- THAT NOBODY HAS SEEN THE PROPOSED VOTING LOCATIONS OTHER THAN THE COMMISSION.

IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT? HARD TO IF YOU ARE GOING TO COMMENT PRO AND CON IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THEM YET. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THIS

TIME PERIOD -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY

HAVE BEEN SENT OUT, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: BARBIE, WOULD

YOU MIND -- >> DO YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER

THERE? >>JUDGE CANALES: COULD YOU PLEASE. ONLY BECAUSE IT IS RECORDED.

>> YES, MA'AM. THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE HAS SENT THOSE TO THE DEMOCRATIC CHAIR AND THE REPUBLICAN CHAIR FOR REVIEW FOR NUMBERS AND FOR INPUT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. >> THAT WAS MY APPRECIATION IS EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T RUN THE ELECTION, THAT SHE IS STILL REACHING OUT TO BOTH OF US FOR INPUT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY WERE POSTED ON OUR PACKET AND ON

WEB SITE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE CLERK INFORMED ME ON FRIDAY THEY WOULD NOT BE PUBLISHED ON THE WEB SITE -- WE ARE GOING TO ATTACH THEM RIGHT NOW SO THEY WILL BE -- THIS IS AN OPEN MEETING. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE ATTACHED RIGHT NOW BUT WE WOULD LIKE SOME INFORMATION AS TO WHICH VOTING LOCATIONS ARE NOT INCLUDED WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN THE 2018 -- SORRY IN THE 2020 OR IN THE PRIMARY, WHICHEVER THE CASE MAY BE. DO YOU THINK WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? OKAY.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE COMMENTS GIVEN BY TIM AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS AS WELL AS SYLVIA I THINK ARE IMPORTANT. I VERY MUCH LIKE THE CONSISTENCY. IT IS KIND OF HARD TO REMEMBER IT IS OPEN UNTIL 5:00 ONE WEEK. OPEN UNTIL 7:00 THE NEXT.

I BELIEVE THAT BUDGET MAY BE AT ISSUE.

IN WHICH CASE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN RECOGNIZE, COMMISSION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.

LORENZO. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OF

CHANGING THE HOURS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE HOURS WERE 5 P.M. FOR THE FIRST WEEK AND THE SECOND WEEK 7 P.M. AND MY PROPOSAL IS TO MAKE SURE IT IS 7 P.M. BOTH WEEKS OF EARLY VOTING

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FOR CONSISTENCY AND LACK OF CONFUSION -- SO WE DON'T HAVE

ANY CONFUSION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AGREE 7 TO 7:00 BOTH WEEKS. I THINK CONSISTENCIES.

PEOPLE DON'T GET CONFUSED. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT.

THAT IS THE FIRST MOTION I HAVE TO MAKE THE EARLY VOTING POLLING LOCATIONS ON ITEM 11 CONSISTENT TO -- ON THE HOURS OF 7 A.M. TO

7 P.M. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK IT WAS 8:00. I AM LOOKING AT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THE FIRST WEEK 8 TO 5:00.

SECOND IS 7 TO 7. OCTOBER 30 AND 31, 7 TO 7:00.

8:00 TO 7:00 ON FIRST WEEK. KARA IS NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT. SHE IS AT A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT. DO WE WANT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: 7 TO 7:00. I AM OKAY WITH --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AT LEAST WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CLERK. AT LEAST -- I AM OKAY WITH IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AS WAS POINTED OUT, WE GET TO MAKE THE DECISION. HERE IS THE THING.

I BET SHE WILL NEED SOME FUNDS. AS LONG AS WE CAN GET HER DOLLARS TO INCREASE HER BUDGET, I THINK IT IS UP TO US ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE SHE HAS THE RESOURCES TO RUN THAT.

8 TO 7. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM

GOOD WITH LONGER. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I MAKE

A MOTION TO GO 8 TO 7. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK THE

ISSUE IS . >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY GO THE TO GO TO WORK. 7:00 TO 7:00.

I WILL SECOND THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: WITH THE EXCEPTION OF -- OF SUNDAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SUNDAY.

ONLY HERE AT THE COURT HOUSE FROM 12 TO 6 P.M.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AND WE GIVE HER MORE FUNDS TO WORK

WITH. >>JUDGE CANALES: LORENZO, WE PUT THREE PEOPLE IN A GOOD SOLID. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ'S MOTION IS 7 TO 7:00. AND ADOPT COMMISSIONER MAREZ'S SUGGESTION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SUNDAY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YES, I WILL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER EXCEPTIONS THERE.

NO -- THE FUNDS, COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AND

INCLUDE THE FUNDS SHE NEEDS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT SHE NEEDS FOR THOSE EXTRA HOURS. THE SECOND ON IT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSESIGN. AS TO THE LOCATIONS THEMSELVES, YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD SINCE YOU ALL HAVEN'T SEEN THEM ON THE WEB SITE WHAT THEY ARE. I WILL BE VERY QUICK.

THERE ARE 24 OF THEM. ATKINS MIDDLE SCHOOL, BISHOP, CAL ALLEN, CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL, CHURCH UNLIMITED MAIN, CHURCH UNLIMITED RODFIELD, DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING, DEL MAR COLLEGE. ETHEL EVERLY.

GRANT MIDDLE SCHOOL. GRANT SENIOR CENTER HILLTOP COMMUNITY CENTER. ISLAND PRESERVATION CHURCH.

JOHNNY CAL DE-ROEHN BUILDING. NUECES COURT HOUSE.

PORT ARAN US IS COMMUNITY CENTER.

TEXAS UNIVERSITY. VALENCIA.

VETERANS MEMORIAL. WESTOSO JUNIOR AND YORKTOWN BAPTIST. LET ME ANNOUNCE TO YOU ALL LISTENING AND ON THE RECORD THERE ARE FOUR NEW LOCATIONS.

LET ME POINT THEM OUT. CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL -- THE OLD CAMPUS, OKAY. CHURCH UNLIMITED.

BOTH CAMPUSES ARE NEW, BUT LET ME EXPLAIN WHY THE CLERK PUT THESE ON. SHE SAYS LONDON ISD WAS FORMALLY A LOCATION. IF YOU KIND OF THINK GEOGRAPHICALLY, LONDON CHURCH UNLIMIT IS, WHAT, AN 8TH OF A

MILE AWAY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: HALF A

MILE. >>JUDGE CANALES: HALF A MILE.

CORPUS CHRISTI CITY HALL. THESE ARE FOUR NEW EARLY VOTING

LOCATIONS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE,

CAN I ASK. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT I AM HEARING IS THE COUNTY CLERK IS ON THE WAY AND I DID ASK TO WAITS.

SHE KNEW SHE WAS AT THE DOCTOR AND DOESN'T HAVE IT CLEAR.

TO PUT LANGUAGE IN TO MAKE SURE -- IF THOSE PLACES WON'T LET US USE THE PLACES PAST 5. PUT LANGUAGE.

WHICH IS CONFUSE GOING FIVE SAY NO AND SIX OF THEM SAY YES.

AND THE COUNTY CLERK ASKED THAT WE WAIT TO COME TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, SHE SAYS -- SHE IS AT THE DOCTOR.

SHE LET YOU KNOW THAT. SHE IS ON HER WAY.

BUT SHE IS SAYING DOESN'T HAVE CLEARANCE FOR THOSE TIMES YET AND WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO GO AND CHECK THAT OUT BEFORE WE DO IT. WHAT IF SOME OF THEM SAY YES AND SOME SAY NO. THEN WHAT DO WE DO.

CHANGING THINGS ON THE FLY. WHICH IS FINE, WE DO THAT BUT

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WAIT FOR THE COUNTY CLERK TO TELL OUR SIDE OF IT WHAT IS GOING ON. WE ALL AGREE WITH EXTENDING IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM GOING TO SUGGEST -- WE WILL HAVE TO FIND DIFFERENT LOCATION IF THEY DON'T AGREE.

I BET EVERYONE WILL WANT TO AGREE.

I CAN HEAR YOU -- I MISSPOKE. FIVE NEW LOCATIONS.

AND, OUR MOTION AND VOTING DOESN'T HURT AT ALL.

WE CAN WAIT FOR THE COUNTY CLERK.

BUT OUR MOTION AND INTENTION TO GET IT TO 7:00.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ABSOLUTELY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: FIFTH ONE NORTHWEST SENIOR CENTER WET GUTH PARK. FIVE NEW EARLY VOTING LOCATION THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED. WE WILL HOLD ON THAT VOTE.

BUT THOSE ARE THE FIVE FOR EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS.

AS FOR THE PERMANENT LOCA LOCATIONS IDAI, WILL YOU BE SO GOOD AS TO HAND ME THOSE. THE NEXT ITEM FOR ELECTION DAY.

ITEM NUMBER 12, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ELECTION DAY VOTING CENTERS, THERE ARE -- THE SAME ONES THAT I READ EARLIER WHICH IS CARROLL HIGHWAY, CHURCH UNLIMITED, BOTH LOCATIONS AS WELL AS THE WEST GUTTH ONE.

ALL GO FROM THE EARLY TO THE PERMANENT.

AND THOSE WILL ALL BE INCLUDED AND HERE ARE SOME NEW ONES CORPUS CHRISTI FIRE STATION 7, 14 AND 15.

AND THOSE ARE LOCATED ON STAPLE STREET AND COMMODORE DRIVE, RESPECTIVELY. PERMANENT ONE IS DEL MAR OSO CREEK CAMPUS WITH I IS A NEW -- OF COURSE WEST CAMPUS IS ON THERE AS WELL. OSO CREEK CAMPUS.

COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THESE. PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK ARE THE UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES ON. THE ANSWER IS, YES, DEL MAR COLLEGE IS ON WEST. AND THE NEW ONE IS OSO AND TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY. OF COURSE COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, NO PETRONILLA IN THE EARLY VOTE.ING.

BUT YOU WILL NOTICE IT IS ON TV ING.

BUT YOU WILL NOTICE IT IS ON TV BUT YOU WILL NOTICE IT IS ON TI BUT YOU WILL NOTICE IT IS ON THE SAME FOR ALDUCE AND Y YOU BAYQUETE. NO PROPOSED EARLY VOTING LOCATION, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE PERMANENT, BANQUETTE ISD IS ON THE GENERAL AND DRISCOLISD IS ON THE GENERAL AS WELL AS DRISCOL MIDDLE SCHOOL AND BISHOP.

MY ONLY QUESTION WAS I IS ALAADUCE.

I DID NOT SEE A ALADUCE ON THE ELECTION DAY.

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, WILL YOU DOUBLE CHECK FOR ME?

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YES, I WILL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR COMMENTS SINCE YOU

REPRESENT THAT PRECINCT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: JUDGE, ANY WAY TO GET THIS COPY -- I KNOW WE WILL GET IT POSTED ON THE WEB SITE, BUT CAN CONNIE GET IT TO PUT IT ON THE SCREEN FOR THOSE ON ZOOM AND ALREADY WATCHING IN COURT.

CAN YOU PULL THOSE UP BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A LOT EASIER TO SEE IT THAN TO HEAR IT. I KNOW I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE

TO KEEP TRACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN MY ONLY -- AND THE ONE I MISSED -- THE ONE I AM MISSING IN MY MIND

IS ALADUCE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM SURE WHEN SHE IS HERE -- SHE WILL EXPLAIN ALADUCE.

. >>THE COUNTY CLERK WILL ASK THAT YOU PLEASE WAIT. SHE WILL BE HERE IN FIVE TO TEN

MINUTES. >>JUDGE CANALES: OF COURSE.

WE ARE HAVING DISCUSSION SO WE WILL BE READY.

SO WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE COUNTY CLERK, WE CAN -- I AM

[1. In recognition of the month of September 2022 as "Suicide Prevention Awareness Month".]

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GOING TO -- IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

THERE ARE PEOPLE FOR SUICIDE PREVENTION AWARNESS MONTH.

THAT SHOULD GIVE US THE FIVE MINUTES THAT WE NEED AND THEN WAIT FOR THE CLERK TO FINISH THOSE ITEMS AND STRAIGHT INTO THE 3-A-16. ASK YOU TO GIVE YOUR ATTENTION TO BELINDA. AND THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER IS SUICIDE PREVENTION AWARNESS MONTH.

AND WE HAVE SOME WONDERFUL PEOPLE HERE REPRESENTING OUR MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY. BELINDA, WOULD YOU PROCEED.

>> WHEREAS SEPTEMBER IS SUICIDE PREVENTION AWARNESS MONTH, A TIME TO RAISE AWARENESS ON THE STIGMATIZED AND OFTEN TABOO TOPIC. IN ADDITION TO SHIFTING PUBLIC PREVENTION, WE USE THIS MONTH TO SPREAD HOPE AND VITAL INFORMATION TO PEOPLE AFFECTED BY SUICIDE.

THE GOAL IS TO START THE CONVERSATION OF MENTAL HEALTH AND THE IMPACT OF SUICIDE, TO HELP CONNECT PEOPLE WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES AND SUICIDE PREVENTION SERVICES AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHEREAS, ACCORDING TO THE CDC, IN 2020, SUICIDE WAS THE 12TH LEADING DAYS OF DEATH OVERALL IN THE UNITED STATES CLAIMING THE LIVES OF OVER 45,900 PEOPLE.

IT IS THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AMONG INDIVIDUALS BETWEEN THE AGE OF 10 TO 34. AND SUICIDE IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR PEOPLE HELD IN LOCAL JAILS.

AND WHEREAS, ON AVERAGE, THERE ARE 130 SUICIDES PER DAY IN THE UNITED STATES. WITH THE RATE OF SUICIDE BEING HIGHEST IN MIDDLE-AGED WHITE MEN.

WHEREAS, EACH AND EVERY SINGLE SUICIDE DIRECTLY IMPACTS A MINIMUM OF 100 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE INCLUDING FAMILY, FRIENDS, CO-WORKERS, NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND WHEREAS, THE NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT PUBLICLY PLACES ITS FULL SUPPORT BEHIND NAMI GREATER CORPUS CHRISTI, OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH PARTNERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO WORK STEADFASTLY IN THE FIELD TO PREVENT SUICIDE.

WHEREAS, 93% OF ADULTS SURVEYED IN THE UNITED STATES THINK SUICIDE CAN BE PREVENTED. THEREFORE, WE ENCOURAGE ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO IDENTIFY THE WARNING SIGNS TO TAKE THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF MENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION AND RECOGNIZE THAT TAKING CARE OF OURSELVES AND OTHERS EQUATE TO TAKING CARE OF MENTAL HEALTH.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY DOES HEARBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 2022 AS SUICIDE PREVENTION AWARNESS MONTH AND CALLS ON ALL CITIZENS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BRING THEIR VOICES TOGETHER TO ADVOCATE FOR BETTER MENTAL HEALTH CARE, INCLUDING AN EFFECTIVE AND ACCESSIBLE CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BELINDA.

REPRESENTING NAMI TODAY, MELISSA -- EITHER ONE.

WELCOME. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MONTH FOR US TO CREATE AWARENESS. AND WE INVITE TO YOU MAKE SOME

COMMENTS. >> MY NAME IS HEATHER LOBE.

I AM THE COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR FOR NAMI.

I HAVE BEEN SUICIDAL MANY TIMES. ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, I HAD TO CALL THE HOTLINE. AND I DID THE ONLINE HOTLINE AND THERE WERE 76 PEOPLE AHEAD OF ME.

AND THAT JUST SHOW THIS IS A PREVALENT PROBLEM.

NOT AN ISOLATED PROBLEM. AND I WAS HOSPITALIZED TWICE.

ONCE FOR SIX WEEKS. AND I SHOULD HAVE STAYED LONGER.

BUT -- IT'S LONELY. IT'S BEING LONELY.

IT HURTS. IT'S PAINFUL.

I AM GETTING EMOTIONAL. BUT WE CAN SAVE LIVES IF WE TALK ABOUT IT. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

EVEN LIKE -- LIKE SHE MENTIONED IN THE PROCLAMATION, IT'S THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FROM TEN-YEAR-OLDS TO 34-YEAR-OLDS. THAT IS SHOCKING.

CHILDREN AND TEENS ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.

THEY HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT. THEY HAVE SEEN IT ON YOUTUBE.

THEY SEEN EVERYTHING -- THEY READ ABOUT IT.

WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT OPENLY AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU.

>> HI, AGE LA HORNER, THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR WITH NAMI CORPUS CHRISTI. SUICIDE HAS TOUCHED MY LIFE PERSONALLY ABOUT. A LITTLE OVER TEN YEARS AGO I LOST MY NEPHEW. HE -- HE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS. I KNOW HE DIDN'T WANT TO DIE. BUT HE DIDN'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY OUT. HE JUST WANTED THE PAIN TO STOP FROM THE EMOTIONAL STRESS HE WAS FEEL FEELING. HE WAS 25 YEARS OLD.

I OFTEN THINK WHAT WOULD HE BE DOING TODAY IF HE WAS STILL WITH

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US. IF HIS PARENTS KNOWN THE WARNING SIGNS TO LOOK FOR. THERE WERE WARNING SIGNS.

WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW. AND SO NOW I MAKE IT MY MISSION TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR LOVED ONES. WHEN THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, DOING OKAY ASK THEM, ARE YOU OKAY? AND THEN LISTEN. REALLY LISTEN.

BECAUSE IT IS SO EASY TO MISS THE SIGNS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEM. LIKE THE PROCLAMATION SAID, I URGE YOU GUYS TO KNOW THE WARNING SIGNS, EDUCATE YOURSELVES. BECAUSE SUICIDE DISCRIMINATE.

IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE ANY TIME ANYWHERE.

AND IT IS ALWAYS SHOCKING. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE PROCLAMATION. AND FOR LETTING US SPEAK TODAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE ARE PROUD THAT TEXAS IS ONE OF MANY STATES BUT NOT ALL STATES IN OUR UNION THAT HAVE THE 988 CALL CENTER.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS 988.

IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU LOVE IS IN CRISIS, PLEASE CALL 988.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE NUMBERS YOU NEED TO REMEMBER.

TEXAS HAS PROVIDED FUNDING SO THAT WE HAVE LOCAL REGIONALIZED CALL CENTERS. AND THE GOAL IS NOT TO BE WAITING IN LINE AND NOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS SO DISTANT FROM YOU. HAVING SOMEBODY CLOSE WHO IS TRAINED -- A TRAINED MENTAL HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL TO ANSWER THAT CALL. EVERYBODY KNOWS SOMEBODY IN THEIR FAMILY THAT IS STRUGGLING OR A NEIGHBOR OR A CO-WORKER OR FRIEND. SO PLEASE SHARE WITH THEM THE MESSAGE OF HOPE AND HEALING AND 988 IS A WAY TO BEGIN.

DR. XAVIER GONZALEZ, WELCOME. >> JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU. I AM DR. XAVIER GONZALEZ, I AM THE COUNTY'S DIRECTOR OF MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS. I COME HERE IN SUPPORT -- IN SUPPORT OF NAMI.

NOT JUST THEM TOO, BUT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE JOINED IN SUICIDE PREVENTION AWARNESS MONTH.

YOU KNOW, I START OFF. THIS ISENESS MONTH.

YOU KNOW, I START OFF. THIS IS MY ROLE.

WHEN ASKED WHAT DO I DO? I AM ALWAYS A FATHER FIRST.

I HAD THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT BEFORE SCHOOL LET OUT THIS PAST YEAR. MY OWN TEENAGED DAUGHTER.

BECAUSE SOMEONE IN HER SCHOOL COMMITTED SUICIDE.

IT WAS -- IT IS HARD CONVERSATION TO HAVE TO SAY -- REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE WORTH MORE.

SOMETHING IS MOMENTARILY. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS MORE OFTEN. SO THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ADVANCED THAT ARE GOING ON THIS MONTH.

I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT NAMI. THEY ARE HAVING A SYMPOSIUM ON THE 8TH AND 9TH AT DEL MAR COLLEGE.

THERE WILL BE SOME INFORMATION OUTSIDE IN CASE ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN SHARING THAT WITH A FAMILY MEMBER OR SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY. ALSO AT -- CORPUS CHRISTI WILL HAVE AN EVENT OCTOBER 4. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT -- BECAUSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE ONGOING. START THIS PAST WEEKEND.

NHID HAD THEIR OWN EVENT TOO. SUPPORT THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND SUPPORT THE MESSAGES THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT OUT.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE

PROCLAMATION TODAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, DR.

GONZALEZ. IS THERE A MOTION TO PASS THIS

RECOGNITION OF SEPTEMBER 20 # 2? >> MOVED.

>> AS SUICIDE PREVENTION AWARENESS MONTH.

GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT NAMI DOES.

OF COURSE YOU GUY HAVE BEEN IN COURT ALMOST TWO WEEKS ON A MATTER THATAND I HOPE IT SOMETH PUT DOWNSTAIRS IN THE COURT HOUSE AS A WAY TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP IF YOU TRUST ENOUGH TO REACH OUT.

AND DR. GONZALEZ. ALWAYS A GREAT RESOURCE AND JUST KNOW THAT NUECES COUNTY CARES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

IS THERE A -- IS THIS IT HERE? LET ME LOOK.

I HAVE OF THE OFFICIAL -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY SIGNED IT. NOT YET ATTESTED, BUT -- MAY WE TAKE A PHOTO SO THAT WE CAN CREATE AWARENESS BY SHARING THIS ON ALL OF OUR PLATFORMS TODAY. THANK YOU.

I WILL BE RIGHT THERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY CAN

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COME UP HERE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THERE ARE FIVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I ADMIRED YOUR TESTIMONY. TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.

THANKS A LOT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK Y'A Y'ALL.

[2. Receive update on establishment of Public Defender’s office, and related matters.]

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE HAVE JUDGE MISSYMADERI AND SHE IS HERE OUT OF HER COURTROOM

TO MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. THIS IS ON THE MENTAL HEALTH PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICE. OUR OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, DR.

GLEASON IS HERE TO ADDRESS YOU ALL AT THIS TIME AND I WILL

YIELD TO DR. GLEASON. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE MADERI, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE COMMISSIONERS. WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THE DISCUSSION OF OFFICE SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE FOR THE TIME BEING. WE ASK YOU TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE TEXAS INDIGENT COMMISSION ASK THAT THE PUBLIC DEFENDER HAVE INPUT INTO THE OFFICE LOCATION.

THE APPLICATION WINDOW FOR THAT ROLE CLOSED THE OTHER NIGHT AT MIDNIGHT. THE COMMITTEE IS -- OUR HIRING COMMITTEE IS ASSEMBLING. WE PLAN TO HAVE A HIRE HOPEFULLY WRAPPED UP IN THREE WEEKS' TIME. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES FROM TEXAS INDIGENT DEFENSE COMMISSION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL THEY ARE READY TO MAKE IT BACK ON.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND THAT.

GO AHEAD AND REPEAT IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 3-A-2.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND.

SEPTEMBER -- DO WE WANT -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST

WHENEVER THEY ARE READY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHENEVER YOU ARE READY. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD REFLECTS AT THE TIME IT IS REQUESTED.

HOW IS THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHATEVER YOU ARE READY. JUDGE, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU WANT

IT PUT BACK ON. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THANK YOU, AGAIN. THANK YOU, JUDGE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOW --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: EXCUSE ME, JUDGE.

I WANT TO LET YOU THERE WAS AN ELECTION IN ALADUCE.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: T THE BBELANGA BUILDING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: PERFECT. YOU KNOW WHY, NOT FUND BELANGA.

UNDER DAVID BELANGA. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT.

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THANK YOU. NUMBER 16.

APPRECIATE THAT. NOW WE CAN CERTIFY.

AND MISS SANDS IS NOT HERE YET. SO WE WILL HAVE -- WE WILL HAVE TO SKIP AND THEN COME BACK TO IT.

I WAS TRYING TO GET IT TO BE ALL CONNECTED HERE.

BUT IS SHE -- JUST DOUBLE CHECK SO WE DON'T MAKE HER RUSH AND

THEN MAKE HER WAIT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL JUST

[16. Discuss and consider adopting updated Commissioners Court policies and procedures.]

PROCEED. IF SHE COMES IN LET US KNOW AND WE WILL TAKE A BREAK. LET'S PROCEED WITH 3 NEW HAMPSHIRE 16. PUBLIC COMMENT.

TAKE IT IN THE ORDER THAT IT'S IN.

IF YOU WANT TO SWAP AMONGST YOURSELF.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, SINCE IT IS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT

I WOULD LIKE TO START. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL CALL PUBLIC COMMENT. LEO RIOS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THE PROPOSALS I AM TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFORMATION GETS GET OUT. MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A COPY

OF THE PROPOSALS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, I WILL GET TO THAT AS SOON AS WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

WHEN YOU SAY THE "COPY OF THE PROPOSALS" DO YOU MEAN THE UPDATED ONE YOU SENT LAST NIGHT AT 7:30?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO GO OUT FRIDAY.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WENT OUT, BUT ORIGINALLY SENT ON FRIDAY AND THEN SENT ON SATURDAY, I BELIEVE.

AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF WORDS THAT HAD TO BE TWEAKED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, THE VERSION THAT YOU HAVE IS THE ONE I RECEIVED AT 7:30 P.M. LAST NIGHT.

I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO HAVE THAT PRINTED, IDAY.

SINCE THEY ARE NEW AND NOT -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:ER IN NOT NEW. ONE OR TWO WORDS ADDED.

THE ONES THAT WENT OUT LAST NIGHT WERE ONE OR TWO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL MAKE -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE WAS

TAKEN OFF. >>JUDGE CANALES: IF THERE IS ANY WORD THAT IS. I KNOW YOU FAMOUS EAT, GRANDMA WITH THE COMMA. THE COMMA CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE. AND LET'S GET THE LATEST VERSION CIRCULATE THE AND PUT "LATEST" FOR ALL COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE 7:30.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE IT IN E-MAIL, BUT I BELIEVE I RECEIVED OTHER COMMUNICATION. BUT I HAVE NOT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHY DON'T WE DO THIS.

YOU GET ME THE LATEST TO THE COURT.

WE WILL PUT THEM ON WITH CONNIE SO SHE CAN ATTACH THEM AS NEW.

AND THEN WE WILL MAKE SURE JENNY HAS A COPY AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTUAL NITTY GRITTY OF READING IT, WE CAN TALK WHAT THE SUBSTANTIVE OR NONSUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.

BUT, AGAIN, ONE WORD CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SO LEO RIOS. >> YES, GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK THIS MORNING.

THIS IS FOR COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY PLACED ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT ARE AIMED AT A POLITICAL AGENDA ONLY. PROOF OF THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 16, WHERE YOU HAVE WORDED A POLICY THAT WOULD REMOVE YOURSELF AND THE JUDGE FROM BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

WE ELECTED YOU TO REPRESENT OUR INTEREST.

AND THE JUDGE DOES JUST THAT ON MANY BOARDS.

LET'S FACE IT. ONLY 60 34RUS DAYS BEFORE A ELECTION AND NOTHING BUT RAW POLITICS.

IF YOU CARED ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY, WOULD YOU NEVER WANT TO ELIMINATE A STRONG VOICE OF THE PEOPLE, THAT INCLUDES YOURS AND THE JUDGE. WE WANT OUR JUDGE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO SAY A RESOUNDING NO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16.

AND IN CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE TOO SAY THAT ANY DISCERNING INDIVIDUAL CAN LET US KNOW THAT THE DIVISIVE LANGUAGE OR STRATEGIES ENDS ONLY ONE WAY. BAD NEWS.

THERE SHOULD BE NO ACTS IN THIS COUNTY EVER ALLOWED THAT RESULT IN POLITICIZING, POLARIZING AND ULTIMATELY RESULTING IN RATIONALIZING. YOU CAN NOT MAKE SOMETHING RIGHT OUT OF SOMETHING WRONG. THERE NEEDS TO BE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THIS. AND I HOPE THAT GOD BLESSES US ALL, ESPECIALLY THE COURT. YOU KNOW WITH THE STRENGTH TO VOTE "NO" ON THIS TO VOTE FOR ALL THE ITEMS FOR ALL CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTY FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

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MR. CHUCK -- IS IT BURNETT? YOU WOULD LIKE TO YIELD YOUR

TIME? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> SWITCHING PLACES. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO GET TO PLACES.

>> GOOD MORNING, RAC RACHEL CABELLERO.

AND I AM A NUECES COUNTY RESIDENT.

I AM REALLY ALARMED AT THE BEHAVIOR THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW ON THE COURT. IT IS EXTREMELY UNPROFESSIONAL AND I AM EMBARRASSED TO BE PART OF NUECES COUNTY AT THIS POINT.

THERE IS NOT A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY HERE.

WHEN PEOPLE DON'T -- WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THROUGH AGENDA ITEMS OR BUDGETS BEFORE AN ELECTION, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO TRUST THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE DOING THIS IN GOOD NATURE.

IF WE ARE UNSURE OF WHAT AN ELECTED POSITION -- WHO IS GOING TO BE ELECTED, THEN WE SHOULD YIELD TO THAT.

AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS INFORMED, NOTHING IS GETTING PUSHED THROUGH BEFORE PEOPLE GET OUSTED.

AND THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF WHAT -- OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.

SENDING OUT MASS TEXTS TO ENCOURAGE -- DISCORD AMONGST YOUR -- AMONGST PEERS IS VERY ALARMING.

WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER. AND THE FACT HAVEN'T HAPPENED IN TWO YEARS IS -- IT'S SAD. AND IT MAKES ME WONDER THE CULPABILITY OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR CONSISTENCY IS. WE HAVE BEEN EFFECTED BY A MASS TEXT THAT COST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

SENDING OUT A TEXT AGAINST YOUR COURT TO ME IS EXTREMELY UNPROFESSIONAL. IF WE WANT TO BE A COUNTY THAT IS TRANSPARENT. THAT IS DISCLOSING EVERYTHING TO OUR TAXPAYERS, PUTTING EVERYTHING TO A HALT RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION -- NOT EVERYTHING, BUT THE IMPORTANT KEY COMPONENTS, THEN WE SHOULD ALL BE AGREEABLE TO THAT.

BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL HERE.

THIS IS ABOUT US. AND HOW EVERYTHING DECISION THAT IS HAPPENING ON THE FLY BEFORE AN ELECTION COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT NUECES COUNTY. AND WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF NEGATIVITY COME FROM THIS COURT. AND THERE IS NO FLUID TIE AT ALL. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE FLUID TEE IN THIS MEETING UNFORTUNATELY. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO PUSH THAT WE COME TOGETHER. AND I AM FOR THIS -- THESE CHANGES. BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHOWN THAT WE CAN'T TRUST CERTAIN PEOPLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE FIGHTING AMONGST EACH OTHER ON CAMERA. IT IS SAD AND QUITE FRANKLY PRETTY DISGUSTING IF YOU ASK ME. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. WE HAVE GOT MR. CHUCK BURNETT.

>> THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. AND GOOD MORNING TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSIONERS COURT. I AM SPEAKING IN FAVOR PLAINTIFF CHESNEY'S ITEMS. WE DO HAVE SOME COPIES BACK HERE IF EVERYONE WANTS ONE. WE HAVE SOME PUT ON THE BACK TABLE. I AM SAD THAT THE FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE MADE THIS INTO THERE IS SOME SORT OF POLITICAL AGENDA GOING ON. WHENEVER I READ THIS, THERE IS NO POLITICAL AGENDA THAT I SEE HERE.

THIS APPLIES EQUALLY TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

I AM SAD THAT THERE IS LAUGHING GOING ON, BECAUSE -- APPARENTLY THEY HAVEN'T READ THIS, BUT DOES NOT SINGLE OUT ANY INDIVIDUAL.

IT APPEARS EQUALLY. PROMOTING TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD GOVERNMENT. SO I HOPE THAT THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT HAS A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THIS, CONSIDERS THE INTENT OF THIS THING. I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY AND OF THE COUNTY IN PARTICULAR.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

MISS LINDA WHITE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU WHO ATTENDED THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS.

A POSITIVE NOTE BEFORE WE START. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK JUDGE GONZALEZ -- I MEAN COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ AND JUDGE CANALES FOR ATTENDING AND LENDING THEIR SUPPORT TO THE LEAGUE. THANK YOU.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT SEEMS -- I DON'T KNOW, I AM

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LOOKING AT THE NOTES THAT I GOT ONLINE.

AND I GOT A FULL BLOWOUT OF 16 TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS BETWEEN THE FIRST READING THAT I CAME TO AND THIS ONE. AND I AM STILL NOTICING SOME THINGS LIKE BEING ABLE TO NOT -- YOU GUYS SUSPENDING FOR EVERY ELECTION, YOU ARE GOING TO SUSPEND YOUR ABILITY TO APPOINT PEOPLE TO COMMISSIONS, TO WORK WITH IN -- WORK WITH PEOPLE IN NUECES COUNTY SEEMS RIDICULOUS THAT IT WILL BE SUSPENDED FOR 60 TO 90 DAYS UNTIL THE NEW COURT TAKES POSITION.

THAT IS CRAZY. THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHER ME WAS I NOTICED EARLIER THAT YOU GUYS GOT TO TAKE YOUR ABILITY TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING IS ALREADY IN PLACE SO, YOU KNOW, I KEEP GOING BACK TO IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU ALREADY HAVE -- HAVE SOME RULES IN PLACE TO GOVERN TRAVEL. TO GOVERN YOUR POLICIES TO OBTAIN FROM A VOTE THAT MAY BE CONFLICTING.

I AM ONCE AGAIN THINKING, YOU KNOW, LET US TRY TO BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF PEOPLE, INDIVIDUALS ON THIS COURT.

I KNOW LAST TIME, THEY SAID, WELL, YOU REALLY DON'T UNDE UNDERSTAND.

THIS TIME IT IS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.

I DON'T THINK IT IS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.

I THINK NUECES COUNTY PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. AND WE ARE OBJECTING TO YOU HAMSTRINGING EACH OTHER. IT'S -- IT IS PETTY AND UNPROFESSIONAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. MISS JUDY LAVERDE.

>> GOOD MORNING TO EVERYBODY, 909 DRIFTWOOD AND A RESIDENT OF NUECES COUNTY FOR 53 YEARS. I KNOW MOST OF YOU COMMISSIONERS AND SOME FRIENDS. I AGREE THERE ARE ONLY 68 DAYS UNTIL WE GET TO VOTE. AND I HAVE TO ALSO AGREE THAT SOME OF WHAT I HAVE HEARD THIS MORNING JUST REINFORCES THAT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA HAS ITS OWN AGENDA.

AND I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. BECAUSE IF THIS -- IF IT CONCERNS REVISING UPDATING THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, I THINK THIS COURT WILL BE MUCH BETTER SERVED IF ITEM 16 WILL BE ADDRESSED TO REMOVE THE MORE OBVIOUS CONDITIONS THAT APPEAR TO BE IMPEDING OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETINGS.

FIRST, COMMON LAWS OF COURTESY DICTATE THAT NO ONE SITTING ON COURT SHOULD BE GETTING UP AND DOWN REPEATEDLY FROM HIS OR HER SEAT TO LEAVE THE ROOM KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT A QUORUM WOULD NOT EXIST IF THEY 4RE69 BEFORE A VOTE.

OF COURSE MEDICAL EMERGENCIES OCCUR, BUT THEY SHOULD NOT BE REPETITIVE. AND THAT THE BUSINESS OF THE COURT SHOULD BE CONDUCTED WITH PROPER RESPECT AND COURTESY SHOWN TO EVERYONE INSIDE THE CHAMBERS, ESPECIALLY, I MIGHT ADD, TO THE COUNTY JUDGE. IT IS BAD FOR BUSINESS TO SEE AND HEAR THE IMMATURITY THAT IS VOICED.

IT IS NONPRODUCTIVE. IT IS INSULTING TO WITNESS.

RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE MADE TO BE FOLLOWED.

IF THEY ARE PROVEN TO BE BROKEN, THEY SHOULD BE DEALT WITH IN A TIMELY AND APPROPRIATE MANNER, MORE THAN 68 DAYS BEFORE AN ELECTION. AS A SUPPORTER AND BELIEVER OF JUDGE BARBARA CANALES. WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE HER ARTICULATE STRONG REPRESENTATION ON BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND IN THE COMMUNITY NETWORK. HER MEMBERSHIP IS A BENEFIT NOT A THREAT TO OUR COURT AND COMMUNITY.

I TRUST HER ACTIONS TO GO BY THE RULES WHEN SHE DOES PARTICIPATE.

I AM PROUD SHE REPRESENTS OUR NUECES COUNTY WHEN SHE TRAVELS TO WASHINGTON, AUSTIN AND EVERYWHERE.

SHE WORKS HARD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

FACING CHALLENGING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ULTIMATELY MEET OUR COUNTY NEEDS. HER PARTICIPATION IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS BENEFITS THE ENTIRE COASTAL BEND OF TEXAS.

I SAY -- I FORGET ABOUT ITEM 16 TODAY.

AND LET'S CONCENTRATE ON KEEPING OUR COUNTY COURT PRODUCTIVE, POLITE AND TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THE NEXT PERSON IS MISS BARBIE BAK BAKER.

>> GOOD MORNING, YES, I AM BARBIE BAKER AND I'M HERE IN

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SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER 16. THE REFIRST THING I WANT TO START OFF WITH IS THAT EVERY AMERICAN EAGLE NEEDS A RIGHT AND LEFT WING TO FLY. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

THE AMERICAN EAGLE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT WING TEAR THE OTHER OFF AND AN -- I WATCH THESE COURT PROCEEDINGS ALL THE TIME.

I FOLLOW A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, JUDGE CANALES, I KNOW THAT THIS NOTICE WENT OUT PRIOR TO 7:20.

BECAUSE I WAS GETTING COPIES OF A TEXT MESSAGE SET OUT BY THE BARBARA CANALES CAMPAIGN RALLYING PEOPLE TO COME HERE TO PROTECT FROM BRENT'S ATTACKS. FROM COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S ATTACKS. SO -- SO YOU TALK ABOUT RESPECT.

EVERYBODY TALKS OF RESPECT IN THE COURT ROOM AND STARTS AT THE TOP AND WORKS ITS WAY DOWN. PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW THE LEADER AND IF NOT LEAD WITH INTEGRITIES AND ETHICS IT BUBBLES ON UP AND CREATES A HUGE DIVERSION IN OUR COMMUNITY AND CREATED ANIMOSITY AND MEANNESS. DOES NOTHING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

NOTHING ABOUT NOTHING THAT SAY S THAT RILL BACK THAT UP AND ARE KEEPING THE RIGHT AND LEFT WING. 16, ITEM NUMBER 16 HOLDS INDIVIDUALS ACCOUNTABLE AND WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.

PEOPLE GET UPSET WHEN ACCOUNTABILITY IS EXPECTED ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S ALL IT IS.

IF WE DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OUR OWN ACTIONS NOBODY ELSE WILL TAKE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. WHAT I AM ASKING A A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS COMMUNITY TO LEAD FROM THE TOP AND BE RESPECTFUL TO ALL AND NOT USE CAMPAIGNING IN BODY OF THIS COURT BECAUSE IT IS WRONG AND

OFFENSIVE, THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM JUDGE MIKE WESTERLIN FOLLOWED BY SU SUSIE SALDA IN,A AND LISA HERNANDEZ.

>> GOOD MORNING HONORABLE JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.

I WAS PART OF THIS COUNTY FOR 30 YEARS AND I HAVE A WATCH TO PROVE IT. [LAUGHTER] AMONG THE 30 YEARS I SERVED AS A COUNTY ATTORNEY AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT HERE TO SUBSTITUTE FOR OUR FINE MISS DARCY, BUT I HAVE TO SAY, MISS DARCY, THINGS HAVE CERTAINLY GOTTEN A LOT MORE COMPLICATED. SO THANK YOU.

AND I WAS JUST PERUSING I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL THIS A REGULATION AND I AM SORRY THAT THESE THINGS BREAK DOWN.

AND I AM NOT COMPLETELY STORY BECAUSE IT IS JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. WE ARE POLITICAL BODIES.

WE ARE POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS AND POLITICS ARE NOT REALLY EVIL. BUT I GENERALLY AM HERE TO OPPOSE THIS PROPOSAL. I BELIEVE THAT THE ETHICS REGULATION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS COVER MOST OF THE MATTERS THAT WILL BE OF CONCERN. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE GOOD WORK, JUDGE. I -- I DIDN'T GET THE -- I AM PRETTY MUCH INTO YOUR CAMPAIGN AND I DIDN'T GET THE KIND OF NEGATIVE THAT IS DESCRIBED EARLIER.

BUT NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. I URGE YOU NOT TO PASS THIS

PROPOSAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, JUDGE. MISS SUSIE SALDANA.

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>> GOOD MORNING. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE CREATED.

YOU GOT PEOPLE ONE SIDE. PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

ND YOU HAVE DIVIDED OUR COMMUNITY COMPLETELY.

AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WENT OUT IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA.

ACTUALLY GOT IT FROM ONE OF MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS THAT SHOWED IT AND THEN SHOWED THE BOTTOM OF IT.

AND I HAVE FRIENDS BOTH IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I AM A DEMOCRAT.

I WILL VOTE DEMOCRAT IN THE PRIMARY, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE GENERAL ELECTION, I AM AN INDEPENDENT.

I AM AN INDEPENDENT BECAUSE I VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE BETTER FROM SOUTH TEXAS AND CORPUS CHRISTI.

THAT IS WHO I VOTE FOR. THE PERSONS WHO DO THE BEST AND THIS IS POLITICAL. YOU CAN TELL BY THE INTERACTION BETWEEN COUNTY ATTORNEY AND ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS.

YOU CAN TELL IT IS POLITICAL. YOU CAN TELL THAT IT HAS BEEN SET UP TO BE POLITICAL AND LET'S FACE IT, IT IS SET UP TO GO AGAINST THE COUNTY JUDGE. WHY? BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN, I GUESS. YEAH.

IT IS A WOMAN. HAVE YOU -- WOULD YOU HAVE DONE IT TO JUDGE KNEEL? YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE DONE IT TO JUDGE NEIL. DO IT TO TERRY JOHNSON.

YOU WOULDN'T DO IT TO TERRY JOHNSON.

YOU ARE DOING IT TO A WOMAN. AND EVERY WOMAN IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE INSULTED. MAD AND ANGRY IT IS BEING DONE BECAUSE OF THAT. THE BEST THING THAT YOU CAN DO AS A PERSON IN THOSE COMMISSIONERS' SEATS IS GET RID OF THIS 16. YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT.

YOU ARE NOT A REPUBLICAN. YOU REPRESENT ALL OF US.

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT LABEL YOU ARE.

YOU REPRESENT ALL OF US. BEST THING TO DO IS GET RID OF 16. SHOW THAT YOU ARE NOT POLITICAL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I AM ONLY SEEING THE POLITICS IN IT.

AND I AM SEEING IT FROM BOTH SIDES AND I AM VERY ANGRY THAT YOU ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT US AND YOU ARE NOT THINKING OF THE PEOPLE. WE PUT YOU THERE AND YOU WANT TO DECIDE WHO SITS IN THAT SEAT. LET ME TELL YOU IF I COME BACK TO THIS COURT AND A DIFFERENT JUDGE SIT THERE AND YOU KEEP THIS PROPOSAL. YOU WON'T.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU WANT TO BET.

YES I WILL. >> BECAUSE IT IS POLITICAL.

IT IS POLITICAL. THE JUDGE HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR THIS COUNTY. AND YOU ARE FIGHTING HER.

WHY? MY ONLY LOGICAL REASON IS BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. THAT IS MY ONLY LOGICAL REASON BECAUSE SHE IS AS INTELLIGENT AS ALL OF YOU ARE.

YOU ARE EVEN FORBIDDING HER TO USE HER OWN MONEY TO BENEFIT OUR COUNTY. HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY DO THAT? NOT ONLY AM I ASHAME OF YOU BUT YOU SHOULDN'T BE SITTING IN THOSE SEATS. ALICIA HERNANDEZ FOLLOWED BY

LISA OSBOURNE HERNANDEZ. >> GOOD MORNING.

LALISA HERNANDEZ AND THIS IS A MOPE MEN US IT DAY.

NEVER WOULD I THOUGHT THAT SUSAN SALDANA AND I SHARE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING POLITICAL, OKAY. BUT I WILL CONCUR WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY SING THING SHE SAID. I WILL START MY CHIMING IN WITH WHAT JUDY SAID. THIS AGENDA THAT BRENT CHESNEY IS PARADING AROUND IS 100% AN AGENDA.

I DON'T KNOW WHOSE LIST I AM ON OR WHO I NEED TO GET ON, BUT I DIDN'T GET ANY TEXT. OKAY.

I DIDN'T GET ANY TEXT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT JUST AS SUSIE SAID, YOU WOULD NEVER PULL THESE SHENANIGANS ON LLOYD NEIL.

NEVER TRY TO SHACKLE HIS ABILITY TO SERVE NUECES COUNTY ON ANY BOARD, COMMISSION OR AGENDA ITEM.

WOULD YOU NEVER PULL THIS ON A GUY.

IT SMACKS OF SEXISM. IT SMACKS OF BLATANT PARTISANSHIP. AND LET ME TELL YOU, THERE IS NO EARTHLY REASON OTHER THAN THE UPCOMING ELECTION TO SHACKLE BARBARA CANALES AND YOURSELF INCLUDED.

THROWING THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER FOR WHAT? FOR POWER, GREED. AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, SEXISM.

THAT IS ALL IT IS ABOUT. I URGE YOU TO PLEASE VOTE DOWN AGENDA ITEM 16. THANK YOU.

WE WILL HEAR FROM LISA -- YES, LISA OSBOURNE HERNANDEZ.

I KNOW YOU AS LEASE HERNANDEZ. >> LISA ORSBORG HERNANDEZ.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: I INTO YOU THAT WASN'T RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE TIME TO SPEAK.

JUDGE CANALES AND COMMISSIONERS. THE FUNCTIONS OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE FAST AND FURIOUS.

THE MOST IMPORTANT IS STATE FUNDING, STATE FUNDING, FEDERAL FUNDING, AND FUND FROM OUTSIDE SOURCES.

WHERE DO THE FUND FROM OUTSIDE SOURCES COME FROM? FROM EACH OF YOU SITTING ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OF PRIVATE ENTITIES. THINK ABOUT THAT.

NOW YOU ARE -- NOW WITH THIS PROPOSAL, YOU WANT TO PULL EACH OF YOU FROM THESE COMMITTEES, THESE BOARDS.

WHO ARE YOU GOING TO PUT ON THERE ARE SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I WAS LOOKING ALL WEEKEND LOOKING FOR THE NAME OF THE COUNTY MANAGER.

I HAVE BEGUN THROUGH THE STAFF DIRECTORY AND NOT FOUND ANY COUNTY MANAGER AND COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

WHO WILL YOU REPLACE YOURSELF WITH, ME? WHY? TO BE MORE INDEPENDENT? I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE COUNTY, BUT EACH OF YOU DOES ITEM ONE AND BULLET POINT ONE.

YOU DON'T WANT TO APPOINT PEOPLE TO THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WITHIN 60 DAYS OF AN ELECTION. FOLKS, 68 DAY FROM AN ELECTION.

WE ARE 48 DAYS PREEARLY VOTE. WE ARE 26 DAYS FROM THE MAILOUT DATE FOR OVERSEAS BALLOTS. YOU ARE ALREADY WITHIN THE 60 DA DAYS.

YOU PULL PEOPLE OFF OF BOARDS, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO REPLACE THEM WITH. I HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THESE AND THESE TWO WERE MY BIGGIES.

THIS THIS PROPOSAL IS TRYING TO MAKE A POLITICAL STATEMENT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT FUNCTION OF THE COUNTY.

I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, MISS PECULIARY MOLAR FOLLOWED BY MISS CARRIE MOORE.

>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.

I RETIRED AND CAME BACK TO NUECES COUNTY BECAUSE I LOVE -- I LOVE OUR BEACHES. I LOVE OUR ESTUARIES.

I LOVE THE BOB HALL PIER THAT WE ARE GETTING REBUILT.

AND I WANTED TO COME BACK TO MY ROOTS FROM AUSTIN, TEXAS.

I HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH HOW MUCH YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, JUDGE, YOU WERE ELECTED AND I THOUGHT WE STARTED WORKING TOGETHER.

ONE EXAMPLE WE HEARD AT THE TIME THAT WE HAD ISSUES OF THE -- ISSUE IN COMMISSIONER DISTRICT 4 WITH THE FIGURES COMMISSION.

A 1 MILLION BOONDOGGLE NOT HANDLED PROPERLY AND I UNDERSTAND IT YOU AND A GUY NAMED SCOTT CHRIS -- CROSS RATHER GOT THE MONEY ELSEWHERE AND DIDN'T HAVE TO GET IT OUT OF OUR REGULAR COFFERS AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM SUICIDE PREVENTION OR THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US AND THE FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION WERE COMPLAINING WHAT WAS GOING ON AND ORDERING US TO PAY UP. THIS WILL COST YOU A MILLION DOLLARS WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY. AT THAT POINT MY COMMISSIONER BRETT CHESNEY WAS SINGING OUR PRAISES AND ABLE TO GET IT DONE.

AT THIS TIME, I AM SURE YOU DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH THAT FROM YOUR LITTLE OFFICE ON YOUR TELEPHONE. YOU HAD TO MAKE SOME VISITS.

YOU HAD TO CALL IN SOME APPOINTMENTS.

AND I AM AMAZE $WE DON'T WANT TO GO PLACES.

BACK IN THE DAY WHEN WE WERE FIGHTING THE BASE CLOSURE.

I WENT TO WASHINGTON D.C. WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS TO TRY TO SAVE OUR BASE. YOU MAY REMEMBER WE HAD A -- A RALLY FROM WHERE THE CONVENTION CENTER IS TODAY.

WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE OLD LEX POSITION -- EXPOSITION HALL AND IT WAS EVERYONE, LABOR UNIONS ACROSS THE STATE.

CORPORATE EXECUTIVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WANTED OUR BASE TO STAY THERE. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT.

IT HAPPENED BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY COALESCED.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IF 16 PASSES, NOT ONLY WILL THE COMMUNITY NOT COALESCE, BUT MANY OF US WILL BE OUT OF THE LOOP COMPLETELY. SO I -- I ALSO WANT TO YOU VOTE DOWN 16 IT TAKES TEAMWORK TO MAKE THE COUNTY WORK.

TAKES TEAM WORK TO GET SOME OF THE GRANT THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN FROM US TAMPA TAKES TEAMWORK AND SUPPORT FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO GO

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PLACES. IF SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH EITHER WHAT MY COMMISSIONER IS DOING WITH THE MONEY OR WHAT JOHN MAREZ IS DOING WITH THE MONEY OR YOU, JUDGE, I THINK WE HAVE THE ARE MECHANISM TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE ISSUES.

WE HAVE ETHICS IN THE COUNTY AND WE TAKE CARE OF THOSE AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, AS HAVE BEEN SAID TODAY, SHACKLE, SHACKLE YOU AND EVEN SHACKLE OUR AUDITORS AND THAT SORT OF THING BY MAKING A PROBLEM WHERE THERE IS NOT ONE TODAY.

2022, IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR AND GETTING CLOSE.

MANY OF US ARE WORKING HERE AND THERE.

AS IT SHOULD BE. WE CHOOSE OUR CANDIDATES AND VOLUNTEER IN THOSE ELECTIONS. MEANWHILE WE WANT Y'ALL TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY, WITHOUT REGARD TO WHERE IS BECKY AND WHERE IS SOMEBODY ELSE IN THIS CAMPAIGN I AM GOING TO BE PUSHING FOR NUECES COUNTY TO BE SOLVENT.

I AM PUSHING FOR THE NEGOTIATING SKILLS THAT YOU GOT WHEN YOU GOT THE U.S. FISH COMMISSION OFF OUR CASE AND FOUND THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT. I WILL BE PUSHING FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE COUNTY AND I THINK WE HAVE ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. LLOYD NEIL OPERATED UNDER THEM.

RICHARD BORCHARD OPERATED UNDER THEM.

BACK IN THE DAY, ROBERT BARNES OPERATED UNDER THEM.

AND IF THERE WERE ISSUES, WE TOOK CARE OF THE ISSUES.

SO I SAY LET'S LEAVE THIS ALONE. LET'S HAVE THE ELECTION.

I AM TICKLED THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTION AND POLLING PLACES BECAUSE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I AM SO HAPPY THAT WE HAVE A POLLING PLACE IN ALGADUCE BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT. THEY ARE PART OF THIS COUNTY TOO. AND THEY ALSO CARE ABOUT BOB HALL PIER. THEY CARE ABOUT THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR ALL THESE YEARS AND PLEASED TO HAVE THE NEGOTIATING SKILLS AND STRATEGIZING LIKE JUDGE CANALES TO GO GET THE MONEY AND GET THE THINGS TO MAKE OUR COUNTY OPERATE BETTER AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION TODAY. PLEASE VOTE AGAINST ARTICLE 16.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THE NEXT PERSON THAT WE HAVE IS -- FORGIVE ME, IT WAS JUST THE WRITING.

PIERS. MR. NUECES PIERS? CRAIG PIERCE? ALSO CON HEY -- BEFORE YOU GET STARTED. THANK YOU, GO AHEAD.

>> I AM CRAIG PIERCE. I HAVE BEEN IN NUECES COUNTY, LIVING 78142 AREA CODE FOR TEN YEARS AND THE COUNTY FOR 39.

WE ELECTED YOU TO DO THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.

HONESTLY I THINK THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS A WASTE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE'S TIME. I REALLY -- WE ELECTED YOU TO DO OUR BUSINESS. YOU SHOULD GO ABOUT DOING OUR BUSINESS WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS I HAD SEEN JUDGE CANALES AROUND FOR YEARS. I HAVEN'T MET HER UNTIL JULY 14.

HAPPENED TO BUMP INTO HER IN THE AIRPORT.

IN TALK WITH HER, SHE DESCRIBED THAT SHE FIRST GOT ELECTED SHE HAD A LOT OF AMBITIONS FOR THE COUNTY.

BUT THEN WE HAD COVID HIT. AND THAT JUST TOOK ALL OF HER ATTENTION AWAY FROM ACTUALLY MOVING THE COUNTY FORWARD AND SHE WAS REALLY EXCITED. SHE WAS ON HER WAY TO A BUSINESS TRIP RELATED TO THE OYSTER WEDS AS I REMEMBER IT.

ONE THING I CAN SAY IS WALKED AWAY FROM THE CONVERSATION THINKING OF MYSELF. BECAUSE IT WAS NONPARTISAN.

IF I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT PARTY SHE WAS IN, I WOULDN'T KNOW IF SHE WAS A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT. I KNEW SHE WAS A GOOD PERSON.

NOT A GOOD WOMAN, BUT A GOOD PERSON.

THIS GOOD PERSON SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WITHOUT RESTRICTION TO DO THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS FOR AS LONG AS SHE HOLDS ELECTED OFFICE. I STRONGLY URGE TURNING DOWN ITEM 16. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. ALTHOUGH OUR COUNTY CLERK IS

HERE -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE,

THERE IS ANOTHER ONE. >> CAN I WAIT UNTIL AFTER YOU

ALL HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, CARRIE

MOORE. >> I THOUGHT YOU SAID I COULD

SPEAK UNTIL. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ITEM IS UP RIGHT NOW BUT HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WEIGH IN ON IT.

IN PUBLIC COMMENT -- >> YOU CALLED THE ITEM, RIGHT.

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YOU ARE DISCUSS IT NOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: CARRIE, YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW. AND ALSO -- LET ME JUST SAY THIS REAL QUICK -- HILLARY, NOT LOST ON ME.

YOU ARE NEXT. I AM WATCHING AND LOOKING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

GO AHEAD. >> MY NAME IS CARRIE MOORE.

I LIVE HERE IN NUECES COUNTY. SOMEONE BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT THE COMMISSIONERS SHOULD RESPECT JUDGE CANALES ESPECIALLY.

THEN I BELIEVE SHE SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD HOW SHE BEHAVES TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE.

I HAVE SEEN HER BELITTLE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND CLERGY IN THIS COURT RIGHT HERE IN THIS AUDIENCE.

THE ONLY PERSON THAT CARES ABOUT GENITALIA IS JUDGE CANALES.

POLITICS SHOULD NOT MATTER AND NEITHER SHOULD GENITALIA.

I WANT FULL TRANSPARENCY. AND I WANT ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS TO BE SHACKLED TO ME, THE TAXPAYER AND VOTER.

THIS IS ABOUT SACKING A BOARD BEFORE THE ELECTION.

NUMBER 16 PREVENTS THAT. AND THE COUNTY JUDGE NEEDS TO BE FOCUSING ON COUNTY BUSINESS, NOT ADVANCING POLITICAL CAREER BY SITTING ON BOARDS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF COUNTY BUSINESS.

THESE ARE OUR TAX DOLLARS AND SHOULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR AT ALL COSTS. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. OKAY, ANYBODY ELSE? YES, GO AHEAD. I WILL SIGN YOU IN.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

ROLECTO CANA AND HUMBLY APOLOGIZE NOT WEARING JACKET AS RESPECT TO THE INSTITUTE. IT GOT WET AND I FOR IT.

MY TWO CENTS. WE HAVE BEEN TEXANS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. WE HAVE BEEN AN INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TEXAS.

WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF BUSINESS AMONGST OURSELVES TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. I CAN TELL YOU THIS.

WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS BUSINESS IF WE DO THINGS APPROPRIATELY AND THIS IS RESPECT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED -- AND I WATCHED THE COURTS -- -- A LACK OF SHIFLLY. I LOOK FOR ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER. THE KEY THING, RESPECT.

IN KINDERGARTEN, THEY ALWAYS SAID RAISE YOUR HAND TO SPEAK.

AND I AM GLAD I GOT RECOGNIZED TODAY.

I WANT TO SAY WITH ALL HEARTS, AZTECS IANS, WE SHOULD ALWAYS LOOK OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER -- AS TEXANS, WE JUST ALWAYS LOOK OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER AND LET EVERYBODY TO BE HEARD WITH CORDIAL TEE AND WITH EVERYTHING DEMAND THAT OUR APPOINTED PEOPLE DO AS THEY SHOULD GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THEMSELVES AS WE AS CITIZENS HOLD THEM TO THAT ACCORD.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR, I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU GO AHEAD AND ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME. AND I AM GOING TO WRITE IT HERE

FOR YOU. >> YES, MA'AM.

GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

I LIVE IN 4642 ROMONA DRIVE. THIS IS MY VERY, VERY FIRST TIME BEING HERE. AND I AM BLESSED TO BE HERE.

AND I THANK THE LORD FOR THAT. I AM FOR PROPOSAL 16.

I HAVE ALL THE FAITH FOR COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

AND I BELIEVE HE IS DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.

THANK YOU, CHESNEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHESNEY AND JUDGE

FOR THE TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL ASK YOU PASS THIS BACK, IDAY BECAUSE IT DOES ASK FOR THE ADDRESS.

IF YOU PASS IT TO MR. HASWABE. THEY CAN FILL IN.

THE LAST ONE. PLEASE, WELCOME, JUDGE TE

TERRY CHAMSEY. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS. SORRY I AM TARDY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY TO COME TALK ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ONLY SO MUCH TIME IN A DAY. I WOULD TELL YOU YOU ARE WASTING A LOT OF IT. NOW WHAT I KNOW IS THAT AS WE SIT HERE, TWO COMMISSIONERS HAVE OTHER FULL-TIME JOBS.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND YOU GET FULL-TIME PAY, SOMEONE IS IN THE ROOM CARRYING YOUR WATER. THAT SOMEONE IS JUDGE CANALES.

YOU MAY NOT LIKE HER. YOU MIGHT HAVE YOUR PERSONAL DIFFERENCES. BUT THAT JUDGE DELIVERED.

SHE HAS BEEN THE BEST COUNTY JUDGE THAT I HAVE SEEN IN 35 YEARS. AND I WORKED WITH JUDGE BARNES.

I WORKED WITH JUDGE NEIL. I WORKED WITH JUDGE BORCHARD.

THAT LADY GETS MORE THINGS DONE IN A WEEK THAN WHAT WE CAN DO IN

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A MONTH AS COMMISSIONERS. I AM TELLING YOU THIS.

WHEN YOU GO OUT AND SPEND THAT MONEY SHE BRINGS IN.

REMEMBER, SHE BROUGHT IT IN. SHE USES HER CONNECTIONS AND HER ABILITY AND HER INTELLECT TO GO OUT AND FIND THE FUNDS NECESSARY TO RUN THIS COUNTY. NOW, WE ARE IN A DAY AND TIME THAT IT'S POPULAR TO THINK THAT AS MEN, WE ARE SUPERIOR THAN WOMEN, THAT SOMEHOW INTELLECTUALLY WE ARE SUPERIOR.

THAT LADY IS THE MOST EDUCATED COUNTY JUDGE WE HAD HERE IN THIS COUNTY. NOW IT'S HARD BEING A MAN HAVING TO LISTEN TO A WOMAN SOMETIMES. BECAUSE WE THINK THAT WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE. OKAY.

THERE IS NO ONE ON THE COURT THAT WORKS HARDER THAN JUDGE CANALES. I APPRECIATE ALL OF Y'ALL'S PUBLIC SERVICE, BUT LET'S REALLY LOOK AT WHO IS DELIVERING EVERY DAY. NOW AS A TAXPAYER, I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEMS. I REALLY DON'T.

WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY TAXES ARE GOING TO BE.

I WANT TO SEE GOVERNMENT FUNCTION.

I WANT TO SEE SUBSTANTIAL PAY RAISES FOR THE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CARRYING THE WATER FOR EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK IT IS KIND OF BEYOND THE PALE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE 60 DAY BEFORE AN ELECTION IT BOGGLES MY MIND.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO POST COLLECTION.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE US AS A TAXPAYER POST ELECTION.

THESE RULES THAT YOU THINK YOU CAN CONTROL AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHERE THEY TRAVEL? YOU CAN'T.

IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND TAKING ADVICE FROM A COUNTY ATTORNEY, I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT LEGAL OPINION. THANK YOU.

AND JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS MOVE TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE ITEM. AND LET ME JUST CALL IT.

IT'S -- NOT CALL IT -- BUT AT LEAST DESCRIBE IT AS IT IS WRITTEN FOR THE CLERK. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING UPDATED COMMISSIONERS COURT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

AND ITEM NUMBER 16. AS I SAID, THERE ARE SOME ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT.

SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS. IF -- IF -- I ALWAYS THINK IT IS BETTER TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR LAWYER.

BUT I AM HAPPY TO TAKE EACH OF THE PROPOSED ITEMS ONE AT A TIME AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE LEGALITY OF IT.

IF YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS LEGALLY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TO BE HONEST WITH YOU TO HAVE T THE CBRAC GIVE THEIR GENERAL AND THEN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION SO WE DON'T HAVE THEM TO WAIT THAT ENTIRE TIME.

LET'S START WITH ITEM NUMBER 1. THERE SHALL BE NO BOARD OR APPOINTMENTS MADE 60 DAYS PRIOR TO ELECTION EXTENDING TO THE STATE OF WHICH THE NEW COMMISSIONERS COURT TAKES OFFICE UNLESS THERE ARE NO NEW MEMBERS COMING ON TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IN JANUARY. AND I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A SUMMARY STATEMENT, THERE ARE BE NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS.

AGAIN, THERE ARE FOUR IN TOTAL. THIS IS THE VERY FIRST ONE.

AND FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, I WOULD JUST OFFER THAT -- I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A HOSPITAL DISTRICT VACANCY DUE TO THE DEATH OF OUR DEAR FRIEND DANIEL DANE. I BELIEVE THAT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WILL BE THAT -- THAT APPOINTMENT WOULD BE IN JEOPARDY IF THIS PROPOSAL PASSES. THAT WOULD BE A SHAME, BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ELECT OFFICERS.

ALSO THE BUSINESS OF INLAND GENT HEALTH CARE, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, THE BUDGET, SO MANY -- SO MANY ISSUES THERE WOULD COME UP.

I OFFER THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT -- I WILL BE RIGHT WITH YOU -- AS ONE OF MANY. I THINK THERE IS A CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION APPOINTMENT COMING UP THAT ALSO HAS A VACANCY.

THREE OR FOUR OTHER STRONG VACANCIES THAT ARE PENDING -- IN FACT WE ARE TAKING APPLICATIONS FOR THEM NOW.

AND IT SEEMS ODD TO ME WE WOULD CHANGE THE COURSE OF BUSINESS.

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IN FACT I KNOW AT THE CITY, SINCE THIS WAS DRAWN FROM A CITY POLICY, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE IS ALSO A POLICY -- AT LEAST THERE WAS AT THE CITY THAT SAID NO NEW POLICIES WITHIN -- WITHIN 90 DAYS OF AN ELECTION FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

SO ONE SHOULD ENCOURAGE GOOD GOVERNMENT ALL THE WAY AROUND AND, AGAIN, THERE IS CONCERN HERE THAT I HAVE WITH OPENINGS AND VACANCIES THAT WE WERE GOING TO TAKE UP IN MID-CONTRACEPTIVE THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE 60 DAYS.

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IN RESPONSE TO THAT, JUDGE. THE ACTUAL LAST LINE IS THE INTENT, THERE ARE BE NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS MEANING IF THEY COME UP AS A NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS LIKE THOSE, THOSE WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY. THE APPOINTMENTS COMING UP IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER THAT THIS IS MEANING TO PRECLUDE.

AND SO THIS IS SUGGESTED LANGUAGE.

IF THERE IS LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO TWEAK TO CLEAR IT, BUT THAT'S WHY I PUT THAT IN THERE. NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CITY WAS THE REASON THAT POLICY DID CHANGE. EARLY ATTEMPTS TO PUT APPOINTMENTS ON. SO THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.

THAT IS WITHIN THE NORMAL COURSE OF SCOPE.

BECAUSE THOSE EXPIRE NATURALLY IN SEPTEMBER.

THOSE WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THOSE.

THE ONES THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WOULD BE THE ONES THAT AREN'T EXPIRING IN THE NATURAL VAIN NOT UNTIL OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER.

AND THAT IS THE INTENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: MIGHT BE LANGUAGE THAT COULD BE TWEAKED BUT ESSENTIALLY THE BOARDS THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO ARE THE PORT COMMISSION BOARD AS WELL AS THE COASTAL PARKS BOARD WHICH I APPOINT ALL OF THE MEMBERS.

AND IN FACT WHEN I -- JUST FOR REFERENCE AND HIS HISTORY, YOU MIGHT RECALL, IN FACT YOU SHOULD RECALL BECAUSE WE HAD THIS GREAT DISCUSSION, WHEN I WAS -- WHEN I TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY OF 2019, JUDGE NEIL HAD APPOINTED ALL THE COASTAL PARKS BOARD AND --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS NOT ACCURATE, JUDGE.

WE HELD ON THOSE BOARD MEMBERS ON PURPOSE SO YOU COULD GET HERE AND DECIDE IF YOU WANTED TO OR NOT.

WE AS A COURTESY DID NOT MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS.

YOU MADE THOSE APPOINTMENTS IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK.

YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: I RATIFIED

THEM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU WENT AHEAD AND KEPT THAT BOARD THE FIRST TIME AROUND AND DEBATE OF REAPPOINTMENT COUPLE YEARS LATER.

WE DID THAT OUT OF COURTESY WHICH -- THIS JUST RATIFIES.

THIS RATIFIES A POLICY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A POLICY MANY YEARS AGO BECAUSE THIS IS HOW IT HAS KIND OF BEEN DONE OUT OF

COURTESY. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER

GONZALEZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I THOUGHT THERE WAS A POLICY THE LAST TIME THAT WE DID THIS TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEW JUDGE COMES ON BOARD.

WHEN YOU CAME ON BOARD, JUDGE. I THOUGHT WE HELD OFF UNTIL JANUARY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE DID A POLICY

OR HELD OFF ON THEM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST AS

A COURTESY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I KNOW WE HELD OFF JANUARY OF SOME OF THE BOARDS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SOUNDS LIKE LANGUAGE, MISS DORSEY THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE ONE THAT ARE SO CRITICAL RIGHT NOW.

ANIMAL CARE AND CIVIL SERVICE AND TRYING TO REMEMBER, HOSPITAL DISTRICT. TARA HAS HER HAND UP.

I BET SHE HAS A FEW MORE HERE. TARA?

>> FROM A PRACTICAL DIDN'T, YOU SAID -- COMMISSIONER CHESNEY YOU SAID NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS. I KNOW A LOT OF OUR BOARDS EXPIRE DECEMBER 31. AND NORMALLY WE TRY TO DO APPLICATIONS AND LETTERS OF INTENT -- WE LIKE IT A MONTH OUT. I JUST KIND OF NEED -- FOR MY OWN PURPOSES HOW WE WOULD HANDLE THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THOSE BOARD MEMBERS WILL BE CONSIDERED HOLDOVERS AS THE LAW ALLOWS IF THAT EVEN COMES INTO EFFECT.

MAY NOT EVEN COME INTO EFFECT AS IT SAYS.

NO NEW MEMBERS COMING ON TO THE COURT IN JANUARY, YOU GO AHEAD

AND MAKE IT AS NORMAL. >> OKAY.

AND THEN -- ALSO FOR -- I GUESS THE -- IF THERE IS ANY BOARDS THAT -- ARE WE -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE -- IF THE TERM "END DATE" -- DO WE HAVE THE WORDING ON ALL OF THE BOARDS TO -- I GUESS --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS.

I AM WAITING. >> I AM TRYING TO SPIT IT OUT.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO PHRASE IT.

DO WE HAVE AUTHORITY ON ALL THE BOARDS -- COME OF THEM ARE STATUTORY BECAUSE THEY ARE A LITTLE WEIRD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGAIN, THE LAW PROVIDES IF A BOARD MEMBER IS NOT APPOINTED, THEY CAN HOLD OVER -- AND THERE IS A HOLD-OVER PROVISION IN THE LAW THAT TAKES CARE OF ELECTED

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OFFICIALS, BOARD MEMBERS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY WOULD HOLD OVER UNTIL THE APPOINTMENT WILL BE DONE FIRST

MEETING IN JANUARY. >> GOTCHA.

OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGAIN, MAY NEVER HAVE AN EFFECT. MAY NOT BE A NEW MEMBER COMING

ON TO THE COURT. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUT, AGAIN, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE LANGUAGE. IT DOES NOT HAVE CLARITY THAT WE COULD REALLY USE HERE SO WE COULD OBVIOUSLY TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS. NEXT WEEK WE ARE IN COURT -- WE ARE IN COURT ON THE 7TH. AND THAT WILL BE WITHIN THE 60 DAYS. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

-- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ACTUALLY THAT WOULDN'T BE WITHIN THE 60 DAYS BECAUSE THE ELECTION IS NOVEMBER 8. ANY OF THE ONES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN TO DO THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY ALLOWABLE ON SEPTEMBER 7 BECAUSE 61 -- OR 62 DAYS BECAUSE -- OCTOBER HAS -- OCTOBER HAS 31 DAYS IN IT. ALL THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN SEPTEMBER WOULD BE DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING.

MOST OF OUR BOARDS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM EXPIRE IN DECEMBER. SO THIS ONLY EFFECTS A COUPLE AND YOU MAKE SURE AND HAVE THEM AS YOU WOULD SEPTEMBER 7.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T HAVE THE VETTING OF WHETHER OR NOT ALL THOSE APPLICATIONS HAVE CLOSED YET OR NOT.

FOR EXAMPLE, HOSPITAL DISTRICT. I AM.

I AM NOT SURE WHEN THAT CLOSES. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE BACK-UP SO WE WOULD KNOW THAT ALL OF THESE WORDS WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED ADVERSELY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY BACK-UP.

THERE IS NO DATA REGARDING THE BOARDS EFFECTED SO THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE AN INFORMED --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, A COUPLE OF BOARDS COMING UP.

ANIMAL SERVICES IS ONE AND THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS TWO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHEN ARE THOSE CLOSING?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THERE IS BACK-UP BECAUSE WE APPROVE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NOTHING IN OUR PACKET.

REMEMBER THE PACKET THAT WE HAVE?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A SUGGESTION ON -- BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHEN THOSE BOARDS ARE COMING UP.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T HAVE ANY BACK-UP.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY BACK-UP? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU DON'T A-- YOU APPROVED IT. ARE YOU SAYING -- THIS IS THE

BACK-UP, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE RULE IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A POLICY. OKAY, GUYS, HANG ON ONE SECOND.

COULD YOU GET FOR US A LIST OF THE BOARDS SO WE COULD HAVE A BETTER WRITTEN ITEM NUMBER 1. BECAUSE AS WRITTEN NOW, IT PRO PROVIDES NO CLARITY. IT'S VAGUE.

AND HAS DETRIMENTAL AND PERHAPS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE CAN ADD AN ESSENTIAL TANS THAT SAYS ALL BOARDS THAT EXPIRE NATURALLY IN SEPTEMBER WOULD BE AVAILABLE -- WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR APPOINTMENT.

THAT WOULD BE MY AMENDMENT. WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR APPOINTMENT. THAT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, I NEED TO KNOW WHEN THE CLOSING DATES

ARE FOR THE APPLICATIONS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM SAYING ANY JUDGE -- I AM GIVING YOU THAT EXCEPTION LANGUAGE, ALL BOARDS THAT EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR APPOINTMENT THAT WILL COVER EVERYTHING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE OF, SO MANY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. TARA, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, CAN YOU CHECK TO SEE IF ANY EXPIRE. SHE WOULD HAVE TO DO A THOROUGH SEARCH. SHE HAS TO CHECK OCTOBER AS WELL. THERE COULD BE SOME IN OCTOBER.

AGAIN, WE HAVE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF BOARDS, SOME OF WHICH ARE EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT DRIVEN.

ALSO VACANCIES THAT COME UP. FOR EXAMPLE, LET ME GIVE YOU A GREAT EXAMPLE, BMAC. SOMEBODY -- WE CAN'T GET DUNE PROTECTION PERMITS DONE. SHOWCASES, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THAT THERE -- IN THE EFFORT TO TACKLE A BOARD IN THE -- AT THE END, YOU MIGHT HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

WE WILL TAKE SOME AMENDED LANGUAGE TO PARTY.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW -- I WILL TAKE THAT SUGGESTION, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD MAKE SURE -- BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT BOARDS THAT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO HAVE IS A LISTING OF ALL THE BOARDS, ANY VACANCIES THAT WE MAY HAVE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE THEM SIT IDLE BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY DON'T BECAUSE A HOLD-OVER

PROVISION. >>JUDGE CANALES: VACANCIES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM LISTENING AND ADDING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING -- I AM TRYING TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

THAT IS THE LANGUAGE I WOULD ADD THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT AND THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ADD TO IT. THAT WOULD BE ALL BOARDS THAT EXPIRE NATURALLY IN SEPTEMBER WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR APPOINTMENT. THAT WOULD BE HOW I WOULD AMEND THAT AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM WITH THAT

AMENDMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: DELETE THE WORDS "THERE SHALL BE NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS," BECAUSE THAT

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SEEMS VERY OPEN AND VAGUE. I WILL LET YOU WRITE THE LANGUAGE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. GET IT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SO SHE CAN LOOK AT IT QUICKLY AND MOVE ON TO NUMBER 2.

WE WILL HAVE EVERYBODY -- ONCE WE FINISH ALL THE TWEAKS, WE CAN PRINT IT AND ALL TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE TAKE THE

VOTE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE -- THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT. THERE SHALL BE NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS BUT ALL BOARDS THAT EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER.

THAT IS WHAT I WOULD BE MOVE TO PASS.

>> NO NATURAL ANYTHING. IT IS LEGAL.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T EVEN -- WITH THAT -- THAT WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD I THINK TAKE CARE OF YOUR CONCERN AND IF THEY CAME BACK WITH ANYTHING ELSE, WE CAN TWEAK IT AGAIN IF WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE.

THAT WOULD BE MY. >>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, I WILL ASK YOU TO PHYSICALLY WRITE IT AND PHYSICALLY HELPFUL AND PASS IT UP FRONT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2. SINCE YOU TALKED ABOUT NUMBER 1.

YOU WILL WRITE IT FOR US AND MOVE IT TO JENNY'S HANDS?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I JUST DID.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CAN YOU PLEASE WRITE IT HERE SO I CAN HAND IT TO HER. OKAY.

YOU CAN READ IT AGAIN. I WILL WRITE IT THIS TIME.

PLEASE READ IT AGAIN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THERE SHALL BE NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS EXCEPT ALL BOARDS THAT EXPIRE NATURALLY IN SEPTEMBER WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR APPOINTMENT.

THAT WOULD BE THE ADDED LANGUAGE THAT WOULD HELP YOUR CONCERN.

>> TO INCLUDE -- BUT -- TO INCLUDE VACANCIES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: TO INCLUDE VACANCIES, COMMISSIONER?

>> EXPIRE NATURALLY FOR THE TERM.

BUT WHAT ABOUT VACANCIES THAT HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF THE

TERM. >>JUDGE CANALES: KARA, 3-A-16-1.

>> ARE YOU REPLACE THIS OR ADDING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ADDING. AN AMENDMENT TO THE LANGUAGE.

AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROPOSAL -- >> IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. WHERE ARE YOU ADDING IT IN?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THERE SHALL BE -- I WILL READ IT AGAIN, NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS EXCEPT ALL BOARDS THAT EXPIRE NATURALLY -- AND ALL BOARDS AND VACANCIES THAT COME UP THAT EXPIRE NATURALLY IN SEPTEMBER WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR

APPOINTMENT. >> AND THEN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE CONVERSE IS NO APPOINTMENTS WILL BE MADE IN THE MONTHS OF OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.

>> DO YOU WANT TO STRIKE OUT AT THE END "THERE SHALL BE NO EARLY

APPOINTMENTS." >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I JUST

READ IT. >> THAT'S ALL I AM WONDERING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO EARLY APPOINTMENTS EXCEPT WHAT I JUST READ. THAT IS WHY I ADDED THE "EXPECT" ALL BOARDS AND VACANCIES THAT EXPIRE NATURALLY IN SEPTEMBER.

IF WE FIND SOME IN OCTOBER, I WILL BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT

BACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, I THINK THE OBJECTION FROM THE AUDIENCE -- I WILL JUST TAKE UP THE CAUSE IS THAT YOU ARE INTENTION OF THE WORD "NATURALLY" IS WHAT YOU MEAN LEGALLY. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT "NATURAL" DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE IN LAW, BUT ALL OF OUR BOARDS --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE THAT WORD.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL DO THAT, LEGALLY.

AGAIN, I WILL MOVE ON IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

THE SECOND ONE SP MEMBERS OF COURT SHALL ABSTAIN FOR VOTING ON AGENDA ITEMS RELATING TO ANY CAMPAIGN DONOR, PACT, FOUNDATION OR DIRECT FAMILY MEMBER OF THE ITEM BEING VOTED ON WITH CONTRIBUTION TO THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF THE COURT A IN THE AGGREGATE AMOUNT OF $4,000 OR MORE AND I WILL POINT OUT THIS THROUGHOUT THEIR TENURE ON THE COURT CURRENT TERM AND THE SAME AMOUNT IN A PREVIOUS LEGAL CYCLE.

IF THE MEMBER VIOLATES SHALL COUNT IN THE FINAL TALLY.

WHAT I WILL SAY HERE IS I APPLAUD, SUPPORT, AND HAVE BEEN ON THE FOREFRONT OF CHAPTER 161, TESTIFIED MANY TIMES.

CHAPTER 161 GOVERNS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

IT CAN BE FOUND IN -- I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SUB CHAPTER, BUT BASICALLY COUNTY ETHICS ARE GOVERNED BY TEXAS STATUTE.

SO THAT IS A GREAT THING. TEXAS IS THE RULE OF LAW THAT WE PLAY BY. AND THE REASON YOU SEE DIFFERENT POLICIES AND DIFFERENT POLITICAL JURISDICTIONS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY CREATED LIKE WE ARE.

SO WE LOOK TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TO SET THE RULES. AND THOSE -- THE RULE OF THUMB IS, IF THE LEGISLATURE INTENDED IT TO BE ONEROUS OR LESS, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SO. THEREFORE, WE AS A GOVERNING BODY, WE DO NOT MAKE THE LAWS STRICTER OR LESS STREKT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THE LEGISLATURE. AND SO WHILE I THINK NUMBER TWO -- AGAIN IS VAGUE AND DOES NOT EVEN DISCUSS WHEN IT WILL BEGIN

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OR WHETHER IT IS RETROACTIVE WHICH IS, AGAIN, A VIOLATION OF OUR OWN TEXAS LAWS. I WOULD SAY THAT YOUR ETHICS ARE PERFECTLY DEFINED BY CHAPTER 161, AND THAT IS WHAT WE FOLLOW, WHAT EVERY COUNTY OFFICIAL FOLLOWS, UNLESS WE DO SO BY CONTRACT AND SOMETIMES WE DO. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR LEGISLATIVE CONSULTANT DOCUMENTS HAVE PROHIBITING LANGUAGE.

AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE OTHER DOCUMENTS.

SO YOU CAN CONTRACT YOUR WAY, BUT YOU CAN NOT POLICY YOUR WAY OVER TEXAS LAW. IT CAN NOT BE DONE.

AND I BELIEVE IF JENNY WILL LOOK AT CHAPTER 161, YOU WILL SEE AND SHE WILL BE ABLE TO REPORT TO YOU, AND I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU, COMMISSIONERS, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT THIS IS HOW THE ETHIC RULES ARE GIVEN TO US AND WE FOLLOW THEM AND, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT I ANNOUNCED ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES OF ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE CAN START PLACING ON THE AGENDA THE REFERENCE TO THAT IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE WHICH IS CHAPTER 161 IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW IT.

BUT THOSE ARE CLEARLY DEFINED, AND, THEREFORE, ANY POLICY TO SUBVERT TEXAS LAW I NOT ONLY OBJECT TO, YOU SHOULD TOO.

THAT IS -- THAT IS -- YOUR POLICY DOES NOT COMPORT WITH TEXAS LAW AND IN VIOLATION OF TEXAS LAW.

AND, AGAIN, IF THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE STRICT OR LESS STRICT, THEY WOULD HAVE. PLACING AN ASH, THAT ROW --

ARBITRARY POLICY IS NOT LEGAL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

THE LEGISLATURE GIVES US THE RIGHT AND ABILITY TO GOVERNOR EARN OURSELVES. THAT IS VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PUT FORTH POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND WE HAVE DONE THAT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO HOLD OURSELVES TO A HIGHER STANDARD. IF I BELIEVE AND THIS COURT BELIEVES THAT WE SHOULD HOLD OURSELVES TO A HIGHER ETHICAL STANDARD THAN WHAT THE LAW PROVIDES, THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAW THAT DISSUADES US FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.

TO TRY TO HANG THIS ON THE LEGISLATURE SAYS WE CAN'T HOLD OURSELVES TO A HIGHER ETHICAL STANDARD IS AN ARGUMENT THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO GRASP THAT SOMEONE IS MAKING.

PEOPLE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO IS GIVING TO WHO AND WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING FOR THINGS IF THEY ARE GETTING THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS OF CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THESE THINGS.

THEY DEMAND THESE THINGS. AND THIS IS SIMPLY PUTTING SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT HOLDS US TO A HIGHER ETHICAL STANDARD THAN THE NORM. AND I WILL STAND BEHIND THAT ARGUMENT. AND ALL THE HECKLERS IN THE COURT ROOM WHO DON'T LIKE WHAT I AM DOING, I WILL STAND BEHIND THIS EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND TWICE ON SUNDAY.

THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IF YOU WANT TO SUGGEST SOME TWEAK LANGUAGE JUST LIKE YOU DID ON THE OTHER THAT SOMETHING IS NOT CLEAR, BUT THIS IS SUPER CLEAR.

THIS IS SUPER LEGAL. THIS IS SUPER ALLOWABLE.

SUPER ETHICAL AND I AM PROUD TO PUT FORTH THIS ISSUE AND I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS ISSUE, AS IS, UNLESS THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR ANYONE ELSE WANT TO ADD THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE POINT OF IT IS WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY, IF SOMEONE IS GIVING YOU THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND THEN THERE IS A VOTE TO REWARD THAT PERSON OR PERSONS, THAT SHOULD BE NOT ALLOWED AND IT SHOULD BE VERY DISCLOSED. DISCLOSURE IS GOOD.

THE MORE WE DISCLOSE, THE BETTER.

AGAIN, I MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THIS AS IS.

AND IN THE VAIN OF HIGH ETHICAL STANDARDS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEN I WILL CALL FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: $4,000 INSTEAD OF $5,000?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SIMPLY AN AMOUNT TO START THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE ARE HERE FOR FOUR-YEAR TERMS. THE CITY HAS THIS KIND OF POLICY ALSO.

I THINK THEIRS IS A LITTLE LOWER AND TWO-YEAR TERMS. BECAUSE THIS IS A FOUR-YEAR TERM, A PERSON CAN GIVE AN ACCUMULATIVE AMOUNT. IT CAN BE LOWER WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. WHATEVER THE COURT WANTS US TO DO. BUT IT CAN BE -- IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT $5,000. A NUMBER TO START WITH, A NUMBER TO START THE DISCUSSION. AND I BELIEVE IT IS ABSOLUTELY -- YOU KNOW, I -- IT IS ABSOLUTELY ALLOWABLE AND JUST A MATTER -- A POLICY DECISION. WHAT THE COURT WANTS TO DO.

IF THE COUNT DOESN'T WANT TO PASS IT, IT WON'T HURT MY FEELINGS. I AM DOING WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT

AND WHAT I CONTINUE TO DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HEAR YOU AND THE ISSUE, JENNY, THAT JIM ALISON DOESN'T BELIEVE NOR DAVID BROOKS BELIEVES THIS IS LEGAL. IT IS VERY, VERY CLEAR WE HAVE CONFLICT OF INTEREST RULES AND THEY ARE SET FORTH BY TEXAS LAW, WHILE IT IS INTERESTING TO THINK THAT YOU CAN CHANGE TEXAS LAW FROM THE DAIS, YOU CAN NOT. YOU CAN NOT BE MORE PRESCRIPTIVE

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THAN THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE GAVE YOU.

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THAT IS BASIC LAW, THAT IS NOT -- THAT IS NOT -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE THINKS YOU CAN -- YOU CAN CHANGE -- YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THAT WHICH THE LEGISLATURE HAS ALREADY

SPOKEN ON. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM NOT

CHANGING THE LAW. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SOMETIMES THE STATE LAW -- WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT -- THE STATE LAW DOESN'T CONTROL. CITY CONTROLS THE ORDINANCES BECAUSE THEY ARE STRONGER THAN THE STATE LAW.

AND THE STATE ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT.

SAME THING WITH THE COUNTY. WE RESET CERTAIN PROMISE.

DON'T VIOLATE THE LAW. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO RUN OUR COUNTY. THE STATE IS NOT GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY YOU ARE IN VIOLATION BECAUSE YOUR LAWS OR POLITICS ARE STRONGER -- OR PROBABLY BETTER THAN WHAT WE ARE GIVING YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME, ALL THE TIME, WHERE THE CITIES, THE COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR OWN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, YOU KNOW.

AND A LOT OF THEM DON'T AGREE WITH THE STATE.

AND THE STATE -- THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE UNFUNDED MANDATES.

YOU DON'T -- YOU GOT TO DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THE -- WHERE OUR POLICIES OR OUR PROCEDURES AND EVEN NOW PROBABLY THE ONES WE HAVE, PROBABLY THE STATE DON'T AGREE WITH HALF OF THEM, BUT THEY ARE THERE AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM THAT ARE OURS TO RUN OUR COUNTY.

AND THE SAME THING WITH THE CITY, WITH THE ORDINANCES.

THE STATE -- I WILL COME PACK AND STILL THE CITY, YOU NEED TO

CHANGE ALL YOUR CITY ORDINANCES. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HEAR YOUR LOGIC. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS NOT THE LAW. COUNTIES ARE GOVERNED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. COUNTIES MAY NOT -- THEY MAY NOT PASS ANY POLICY THAT IS IN CON TRAP INDUCTION TO TEXAS LAW.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY CAN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY CAN NOT. WE CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT JENNY, WOULD LIKE TO GO TO NUMBER 3 TO BUILD THROUGH IT. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I THINK WE ALL NEED TO JUMP IN ON THIS BEFORE WE GO TO ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, GO AHEAD. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I THINK WE CAN TALK WHERE WE ARE AT. SOME OF US MAY FEEL STRONGER OF CERTAIN PROPOSALS THAN OTHERS RATHER THAN ONE BY ONE.

BECAUSE I DO WANT TO GO TO NUMBER 1.

I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GOING TO JUMP INTO NUMBER 2 YET.

HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENCY IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE, RIGHT.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE. IT'S A BUZZWORD IN POLITICS.

WE WORRY ABOUT IF GOVERNMENT IS DOING SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF OR IF -- IF GOVERNMENT IS DOING SOMETHING THAT TRIES TO BENEFIT OR IS INTENDED TO BENEFIT AN INDIVIDUAL POLICYMAKER. SO I GET THAT PART.

YOU KNOW, I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL WHEN WE ENACTED THE POLICY FOR EARLY APPOINTMENTS. I THINK IT WAS MORE THAN 60 DAYS. IT WAS 90 DAYS.

THIS CLOSE IN, I -- I JUST WORRY.

I AGREE WITH MISS OSBOURNE, WITH LISA MENTIONED EARLIER AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TYPICALLY LOOK AT THE MAIL-IN BALLOTS.

20 SOMETHING DAYS IN. NOT EVEN 60.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK 60 DAY FROM ELECTION DAY.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE ■BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT EARLY VOTES FROM OUR OVERSEAS FROM MILITARY AND THEIR DEPENDENTS VOTING AND ALSO THOSE WHO REQUEST A MAIL-IN BALLOT.

WE ARE WELL AWAY FROM THAT 60-DAY TIME FRAME.

I WOULD ENTERTAIN THIS AS ANY MOMENT.

I BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY. BUT THIS CLOSE TO AN ELECTION I THINK -- NO MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE, NO MATTER WHO THIS IS INTENDED TO, I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOOD POLICY.

IT'S NOT. YOU DON'T PUT LIMITS THIS FAR OUT. YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT A $4,000, $5,000, $10,000 LIMIT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS FEW -- FEW WEEKS LEFT BEFORE THE ELECTION. YOU WANT TO SET IT -- WE SHOULD HAVE SET IT BEFORE THE PRIMARY. BEFORE ANYONE WAS ON THE BALLOT.

WE HAD THREE MEMBERS OF THE COURT ON THE BALLOT IN THE PRIMARY. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SET WAY BEFORE THEN. WE SHOULD HAVE BE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS A YEAR AGO IF THAT WAS TRULY THE INTENT TO LIMIT THE CONTRIBUTION. I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

IN ESSENCE I WOULD SUPPORT AND APPROVE ANY POLICY THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF HOW MUCH A CONTRIBUTOR MAKES OR A PARTICULAR MEMBER OF COURT MAKES, BUT NOT THIS FAR IN.

IF YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON IT TODAY AND SAY IT TAKES EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2023, THEN, HEY YOU CAN REALLY SWAY ME ON THAT.

BUT TO DO THAT NOW BEFORE THIS ELECTION, IT'S -- I WOULD BE

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OPPOSED TO IS NO MATTER WHO. NO MATTER WHO, I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO WHO IS UP HERE. THIS WAS DRR.

INTENDEDED TO GO AGAINST DRR. I DON'T CARE.

I DON'T CARE OF POLITICS WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPARENCY.

BUT I WANT TO BE CONSISTENT. I VOTE WITH SOME GROUPS OF THIS COURT ON CERTAIN ITEMS AND SOME ON THE OTHERS BECAUSE I TRY TO BE CONSISTENT, RIGHT. SO I FEEL THERE IS NO CONSISTENCY IN THE TIME FRAME WE HAVE PUT FORTH WITH THIS.

ARE THESE IMPORTANT ITEMS, YES. I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN ACCOUNTABILITY AND BEING ABLE TO FOLLOW ALONG A PAPER TRAIL OR BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THERE IS A LIMIT.

UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE FUND RAISING.

ONCE YOU CAPPED. YOU ARE CAPPED.

THIS CLOSE IN, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

SO I AM CONCERNED WITH ALL THESE ITEMS. I DO SUPPORT -- LIKE I SAID, A LIMIT ON EARLY APPOINTMENTS.

ONCE THE CITY DOES IT, THAT AGENDA IS PACK FULL OF APPOINTMENTS AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE APPOINTMENTS.

EVEN IN THE LAME DUCK. AND WHEN I CAME ON COMMISSIONERS COURT. TWO OR THREE WORKS.

YOU AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ WAS ON THERE.

I DIDN'T HAVE A SAY. YOU KNOW, MY PREDECESSOR BEFORE ME DIDN'T CONSULT WITH ME. DIDN'T NEED TO.

THAT IS HOW THE TIME FRAME IS. I WANT TO PROTECT THE TIME FRAMES THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT. NO MATTER WHO IS THERE.

IF WE WANT TO PLAN LONG TERM AND SAY OUR NEXT PORT APPOINTMENT IN 2023. DECEMBER 2023, THEN LOOK AT MOVING IT. OKAY.

THAT IS A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE, BUT FOR THIS TO BE BROUGHT UP SO CLOSE TO ELECTION DAY, I DON'T -- I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

IF YOU PUT THIS ANY TIME AFTER NOVEMBER 8, IF YOU SAID ANY OF THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1 OR BEYOND, I AM FOR IT.

BUT I -- I WORRY ABOUT THE TIMING.

SO THAT IS MY CONCERN COMING FORWARD WITH THIS.

COUNTY TRAVEL, I DON'T -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

AND I APOLOGIZE. I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF IT BECAUSE I KNOW OTHER MEMBERS HAVE PASSION AND WANT TO FOCUS ON PARTICULAR ISSUES BUT I WANT TO GO DOWN THE LIST.

DISCLOSURE. ALL OF OUR TRAVEL USUALLY IS.

WE HAD ISSUES WITH OUR TRAVEL TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DOCUMENTED. EVERYTHING IS DOCUMENTED.

SO I AM NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING DISCLOSURES MADE AS FAR AS WHO PAID FOR IT. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COUNTY OR MAYBE IT NOT COUNTY, MAYBE OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ONE SO MUCH.

AND, AGAIN, ITEM NUMBER 4, AS FAR AS SHALL NOT SERVE ON PARTICULAR BOARDS, I GUESS, THAT WE HAVE APPOINTMENT POWERS TO.

I THINK THESE ARE ALL VALID. I THINK THEY ARE ALL WELL INTENDED, BUT LIKE I SAID THE TIMING -- I ALSO DON'T WANT US TO PUT US AT A STANDARD THAT WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE SAME APPROACH OR POLICIES THAT OTHER ENTITIES ARE.

IF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI HAVE A SIMILAR POLICY FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THEN, OF COURSE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MATCHING THAT.

BUT IF THEY DON'T AND APPOINTING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE INTEND -- THAN WHAT THE INTENT IS HERE, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I LIKE TO MANAGE MY CONSISTENCY AND TO BE -- AND JUST VERY -- VERY METHODICAL OF HOW WE APPROACH THIS.

AND I FEEL THAT THESE ARE GOOD POINTS WE CAN DISCUSS.

AND I DO AGREE, THIS IS -- THIS IS TAKING A LOT OF TIME FOR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EASILY SAY, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1. EFFECTIVE AFTER THIS ELECTION CYCLE. I COULD BE ON BOARD WITH A LOT OF IT. RIGHT NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED OR MODIFIED UNLESS SOME LANGUAGE IS TO HAVE MY SUPPORT TO CHANGE AND FOR ME VOTING NO AGAINST EACH OF THESE ITEMS. SO, THANK YOU, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: EXCUSE

ME, JUDGE. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

A LOT OF BOARDS WERE ASSIGNED BEFORE I CAME ON, EVEN THE FIRE MARSHAL WAS HIRED ON BEFORE I CAME ON.

OKAY. I JUST THINK A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE DONE ON ONE AND OTHERS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS TABLED TO WHERE YOU CALL GET ALL THE MODIFICATIONS DONE TO WHERE THERE IS NO CONFUSION TO WHAT WE ARE AS COMMISSIONERS ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT NUMBER ONE REALLY WANTS TO DO. THAT IS MY SUGGESTION TO THE

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COMMISSIONERS. LET'S -- WHY NOT TABLE IT AND LET'S NOT BE IN A RUSH. SO THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING.

AND -- AND -- I WOULD -- I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING NO AS IT STANDS, OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME CLARITY ON SOME OF THESE. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

JUST TO KIND OF -- MOVE US ALONG.

ITEM NUMBER 3 IS THE ONE THAT IS REGARDING COUNTY TRAVEL BUDGET.

BUT I AM GOING TO READ IT. SAYS MEMBERS OF THE COURT MUST FULLY DISCLOSE TO COMMISSIONERS COURT AND PUBLIC ALL TRAVEL TAKEN BY THEM REING TO COUNTY BUSINESS AND WHO PAID FOR IT.

FOR THE RECORD, WE DO THAT IN HOUSE WITH OUR TRAVEL REQUEST FORMS WHEN WE TRAVEL ON COUNTY BUSINESS.

WE HAVE TO FILL OUT A TRAVEL REQUEST FORM.

AND THEN THAT IS SHOWCASED INSIDE OUR -- WHENEVER THE BILLS GET PAID. SO IF YOU WERE GETTING MILEAGE OR IF YOU WERE GETTING ALL -- ALL EMPLOYEES ARE THE SAME.

WE ARE ALL TREATED THE SAME. TRAVEL REQUEST FORM.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO A CONFERENCE.

WHAT THE MILEAGE IS IF YOU ARE DRIVING.

IS THERE A HOTEL? IS THERE A REGISTRATION FEE? WHAT THOSE ARE. THIS ONE HAS BEEN TWEAKED QUITE A BIT FROM THE BEGINNING. RIGHT.

YOU DID THAT FOR US. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES,

MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: BECAUSE OF OBJECTIONS EARLY ON. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.

THE DIFFICULTY WAS, AGAIN, ON CLARITY, YOU MAY NOT HAVE INTENDED THIS, BUT COULD READ THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW EVERY TIME -- I DO A LOT ON MY OWN. BECAUSE THE COUNTY CAN'T AFFORD FOR ME TO GO TO AUSTIN EVERY SINGLE TIME OR THE VALLEY OR TO TALK TO THE SENATORS OR EVEN GO OUT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF OUR FLOOD REGIONAL MEET ARE IN UVALVE, THEY ARE IN CATOULA, TO NORTHWEST. I DON'T CHARGE YOU WITH GAS -- IF YOU WANT ME TO LOG IT IN AND DOCUMENT ALL THE TIMES THAT I AM DOING, WITH PLEASURE. WITH PLEASURE.

BUT I THINK THAT ORIGINALLY THIS WAS -- THIS HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO A MUCH BETTER EXTENT BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS WE HAVE TO APPROVE YOUR TRAVEL AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IS NOT -- THAT IS NOT -- THAT'S SILLY. FOR THE RECORD AND FOR TRANSPARENCIES. I SIT ON BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND I AM VERY PROUD OF THIS.

I AM CO-CLEAR OF THE GULF OF MEXICO'S ACCOMPLISH AND CAUCUS COUNTY. A FIVE-COUNTY STATE.

3,000 COUNTIES IN THE NATION. AND I AM BEYOND PROUD TO SAY THAT OUR MESSAGE, WHETHER IT IS OYSTER HABITAT, WHETHER IT IS OFFSHORE LEASING AND DRILLING, WHETHER IT IS CARBON CAPTURE AND SEQUESTRATION, LIVING WATERS, WHATEVER THE MATTER IS YOUR NUECES COUNTY VOICE IS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL BECAUSE I AM THE CHAIR. I JUST GOT APPOINTED TO BE THE VICE-CHAIR OF MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMITTEE.

IF YOU SEE ME SMILING, YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT.

MILITARY COUNTY IN THE USA. WHICH MEANS I CAN PROTECT OUR BASES. [APPLAUSE] I TELL YOU I DO THAT BECAUSE IT PROTECTS US, ALL OF US.

SO I LOVE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. AND, YES, SOME OF THE HARDEST CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD, COMMISSIONERS, HAD TAKEN ME TO WASHINGTON. GETTING OUR CONSENT DECREE RELEASED FOR ADA, WHICH COULD HAVE COST THIS COUNTY MILLIONS AND MILLIONS TOOK ME AND TYNER LITTLE TO D.C.

THE U.S. OFFICIAL AND WILDLIFE THAT WE RECOGNIZED.

NOW TOOK ME TO DENVER RECENTLY. AND SO ON AND SO ON.

EVERYTHING IS TRANSPARENT BECAUSE OUR SKAP AUDITOR FOLLOWS PARTICULAR RULES. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL IN ITEM NUMBER 3, BUT THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY PHRASED CAUSED A LOT OF HEARTBURN. AND IF THE INTENTION IS, HEY, LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUTSIDE TRAVEL SOURCE.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ALL THE MONEY I AM SPENDING FOR NUECES COUNTY. AS THEY SAY IN SPAN SPANISH, COMPLECES. I WILL SHOW YOU ALL THE MONEY IN

NUECES COUNTY. >> IF WE AGREE ON THIS.

CAN WE PASS THIS ON AND MOVE ON. >>JUDGE CANALES: ABSOLUTELY, NO

PROBLEMO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOVE WE

PASS NUMBER 3. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THE FOURTH ONE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE NICE LADY WHO SAID PRIVATE BOARDS.

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HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRIVATE BOARDS.

THESE ARE JUST BOARDS RELATED TO THE COUNTY.

THIS IS NO -- NOTHING IN HERE TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY BEING ON A PRIVATE BOARD. THAT IS -- THAT IS COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WELL, I THINK

SHE PROBABLY THOUGHT THIS -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANTED

TO CLEAR IT UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT HAPPENS COMMISSIONERS THERE ARE 501-C-3 BOARDS.

THERE COULD BE 501-C-3 AND 4. WE DON'T JUST APPOINT TO POLITICAL ENTITIES. WE DO ADVISORY BOARD STYLE.

NHID. 501-C-3S.

WE MIGHT WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY INTEND WE APPOINT TO FOR A BOARD TO BE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT AND NOT HAVE ANY MORE INFLUENCE BY ANY MEMBER OF THIS COURT.

IT WOULD JUST THAT BE THOSE MEMBERS WITH HAVE TO BE APPOINTED AND NONE OF THEM CAN SERVE ON THESE BOARDS AND I DON'T REALLY SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER.

OBVIOUSLY THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SACH TORY BOARD LIKE A PURCHASING BOARD WHICH IS STATUTORY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME GIVE YOU A TON OF OTHER EXAMPLES.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE COASTAL BEND AIR QUALITY BOARD THAT I JUST GOT APPOINTED TO AND I AM THE TREASURER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DON'T APPOINT THAT.

THESE ARE FOR ONES WE APPOINT. YOU HAVE ANY RIGHT TO BE ON

ANYTHING THAT IS A PRIVATE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WAS THE LADY'S POINT. JUST CLARITY THAT THE COUNTY

JUDGE SERVES -- BY LAWS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST THE ONES WE HAVE TO APPOINT. IF THE BYLAWS OF THE COURT SAYS

HAS TO BE A COUNTY JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE SHOULD ADD THAT THEN. WE SHOULD ADD THE BYLAWS BECAUSE I SIT ON A LOT OF BOARDS WHERE THE BYLAWS SAY THE COUNTY JUDGE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DON'T APPOINT THOSE.

THAT IS THAT THE BOARD ASKED YOU TO BE ON IT, AND YOU ARE ON IT.

THESE ARE THE ONES. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME TELL YOU THE ONES IT DOES EFFECT THAT SHOULD BOTHER EVERYBODY.

THE TIRS BOARD, THE TAX INCREMENT INVESTMENT ZONINGS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:THAT IS STATUTORY.

WE HAVE TO BE ON THOSE BOARDS. A LEGAL BOARD AND THAT WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THIS. THE TIRS BOARD.

IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE ARE ON THERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- THAT IS STATUTORY.

ON TIRS NUMBER 4 WHEN WE CREATED IT, I REMEMBER THAT WE PUT -- THERE WAS AN APPOINTMENT. IN FACT THE APPOINTMENTS COME UP IN JANUARY. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT THE APPOINTMENT FOR THE TIRS COME UP IN JANUARY.

BUT IT GETS APPOINTED BY COMMISSIONERS COURT.

AND I DON'T THINK IT IS STATUTORY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IT IS APPROVED, RIGHT?

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T SEE IT AS STATUTORY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS -- THETIRS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: PUTTING THE COUNTY JUDGE -- WE CHOSE A

COMMISSIONER AND MYSELF. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IN

THE TIRS LEGAL BINDING DOCUMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: DO IT BY CONTRACTUAL AND OR BYLAWS. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. TIRS NUMBER 5.

I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THAT.

ALL OF THESE ARE APPOINTMENT. IF YOUR INTENTION IS NOT KNACKING ME OFF THE TIRS. WHERE HE MAY HAVE LUNCH TOGETHER TODAY. I AM PROTECTING THE TAX BASE OF THIS COMMUNITY. I TAKE PIG OFFENSE TO THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: BOARD APPOINTMENTS FROM --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY ARE SPOTS.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: LET ME FINISH.

WHENEVER THE BOARD WITH TIRS SAID WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE BOARD. SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION.

YOU SUBMIT IT. AND THE COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVES IT. NO PROBLEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S CLARIFY IT.

IF WE ALL AGREE, THEN WE ALL AGREE.

IF TIRS 2, 3 ALREADY 4 AND 5 WILL NOT BE AFFECTED.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

NUMBER 4 KNOCKS ME OFF OF ONE BOARD WHICH IS THE INTENTION THE CORPUS CHRISTI REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OF WHICH I SIT. OTHERWISE, THERE IS NO BOARD -- I CHECKED ALL MY BIO AND ALL MY RESUME.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 245 IS WHY I USED IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS THE ONE YOU WANT TO KNOCK ME OFF OF.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT KNOCK YOU OFF.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH, IT IS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT BOARD CAN BE ANY OF US. I SAT ON IT.

YOU SAT ON IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: MINE EXPIRES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU HAPPEN TO BE ON IT AND I COULD

BE THE NEXT APPOINTMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: HERE IS THE

DEAL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU GET

THE CROWD ALL RILED UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: CALL THAT WILL

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DEMOCRACY. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE ARE

NOT IN A COURT ROOM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LET EVERYBODY TALK OPINION THE POINT IS THAT IS NOT A BOARD THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE IS REQUIRED TO SIT ON.

YES, YOU HAPPEN TO BE ON IT NOW. BUT TO BE HONEST I WAS GOING TO ASK TO BE ON IT THE NEXT TIME IT CAME UP, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD POLICY -- VIOLATE THE POLICY.

OR WE CAN PUT JOHN -- AT FIRST I WAS GOING TO SAY LET'S ROTATE EVERYBODY BECAUSE CAROLYN, I HAVE DONE IT.

YOU HAVE DONE IT. MIKE WHEN HE WAS COMMISSIONER DID IT. BUT THAT IS KINDS OF GOING AGAINST MY WHOLE POLICY. IF I AM BEING FAIR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HERE IS A COMPROMISE, SIR.

SO MY TERM -- ONE THING I DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT YOUR POLICIES.

NEITHER OF THESE POLICIES DO YOU REFER TO WHEN THESE TAKE EFFECT.

THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE MY TERM WITH THE EDC ENDS IN JANUARY. JUST SO YOU AWARE.

I HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION IN FRONT OF ME.

WHEN YOU APPOINT SOMEONE TO A BOARD.

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO GET THEM OFF THAT BOARD AND THAT IS TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS OF REMOVAL.

AND THERE IS A ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION OF WHICH I MADE A COPY FOR JENNY THAT I WAS GOING TO PASS OFF IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET ME ANSWER WHERE YOU ARE GOING.

THAT IS FINE. THIS IS A POLICY GOING FORWARD

DESPITE WHAT OTHERS THINK. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHY DO IT NOW?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHY NOT? WHY NOT DO IT NOW.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT IS NOT GOING TO YOU OFF THE BOARD BECAUSE IT IS EXPIRING, WHAT IS THE HARM IN PASSING THE POLICY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WELL -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU WILL FILL OUT YOUR TERM BECAUSE IT EXPIRES IN JANUARY.

I AM TO SAY LET'S PASS IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST.

WHEN THE PEOPLE ELECT US, IT IS A PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE, COMMISSIONER. WHEN THE PEOPLE ELECT US, THEY ACTUALLY ELECT US TO SERVE. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IF YOU COMMISSIONERS DON'T WANT OBJECT ON BOARDS.

DON'T. DON'T OFFER.

DON'T VOLUNTEER. DON'T GO.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THE MAXIMUM THAT IS REQUIRED OF YOU, GET OUT THERE AND GET INVOLVED AND CREATE THAT OVERSIGHT AND GET OBSERVED. AND IF JANUARY YOU DON'T THINK THAT IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A COUNTY JUDGE THERE WHEN THE OTHER COUNTY JUDGES ARE THERE. THAT IS A COURT DECISION FOR THE FUTURE. BUT THE REASON -- THE REASON THE REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COURT TYPICALLY HAS A COUNTY JUDGE ON IT IT SHALL AND BY THE WAY, WE CAN PAY FOR AN EXTRA SLOT. YOU JUST GOT TO PAY FOR IT.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSIONER ON IT OR ANOTHER CITIZEN, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO A UP THE ANTE.

THAT IS WHY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI OUTVOTES US EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY PUT IN -- THEY PUT $780,000 IN AND WE PUT 50,000.

THE REASON YOU DON'T -- SO THIS WORRY OF UNDUE INFLUENCE.

LET ME GO ON RECORD NOW, WE HAVE NO INFLUENCE OVER THERE BECAUSE THE CITY PAYS 780 THOUSAND IN. THE PORT $750,000.

WE PAY 50. WHO DO YOU THINK HAVE INFLUENCE.

NOT ME OR NUECES COUNTY, BUT I AM A VOICE FOR ENERGY, FOR INDUSTRY, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FOR SMALL BUSINESS, FOR COASTAL PROJECTS AND RESILIENCY.

AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE MY KNOWLEDGE IS HELPFUL IN THAT ROOM, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT CCRDC DOES, 8999.9% OF THE TIME IS THE INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR AND HELPS TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN ENGINEERING BACKGROUND AND SOMEBODY WHO SERVED IN THAT CAPACITY.

HELPS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY TALK OF HYDROGEN I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESSES SO WE FIGURE OUT THE BEST PLACEMENT OF THOSE ENDEAVORS ARE. THAT CAN BE DECIDED IN JANUARY AT THE ENDS OF MY TERM. THE WAY YOU WROTE IT, THE WAY IT WOULD BE INTERPRETED WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO PUT ON A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN THE NEXT 30 OR 45 DAYS, IT APPEARS THAT YOU DIDN'T DIDN'T WANT ME ON IT. THAT IS MY OBJECTION, SIR.

AND I AM HAPPY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IT WAIT UNTIL JANUARY WHEN MY TERM IS UP AND WE WILL HAVE THAT GOOD DISCUSSION THEN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PASS IT ON AND THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE THAT YOU FINISH YOUR TERM.

SO THERE IS NO HARM. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS NOT THE EXCEPTION, IT IS THE RULE. YOU CAN'T KNOCK ME OFF ACCORDING

TO THE -- KEN PAXTON. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HAPPY TO PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IS EVEN MORE CLEAR THAT YOU FINISH YOUR TERM. I MEAN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, I -- I WANT TO BE -- I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY BOARDS THAT I SERVE ON -- THIS MIGHT BE A COURT ADMINISTRATOR'S REQUEST THAT I HAVE.

I DO NOT BELIEVE I, AS THE COUNTY JUDGE, SERVE ON ANY BOARDS THAT NUMBER 4 WILL AFFECT.

THE ONLY THING IS DOING IS MAKING SURE YOU CAN'T SERVE ON ANY BOARDS. ALL OF MINE ARE BYLAW AND STATUTE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT WHICH WILL SERVE IN JANUARY. A LOT OF TROUBLE TO KNOCK

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YOURSELF OFF, BUT AS THEY SAY, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY. SO I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS THIS ARIZONA IS WITH OBVIOUS LANGUAGE IN IT.

THIS IS NUMBER 4 THAT JUDGE CANALES FINISHES HER TERM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AND I ALSO -- I AM GOING TO VOTE -- I WILL TAKE

YOUR MOTION -- IS THAT A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TAKE THAT SECTION AND OTHER DISCUSSION. I AM GOING TO VOTE NO.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, SOMEBODY HAS TO STAND FOR TEXAS LAW.

AND I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD WAIT UNTIL EXECUTIVE SESSION SO YOU CAN SEE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION, EVEN IF I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE JANUARY THING, YOU KEEP INSISTS THAT POLICIES CAN BE WRITTEN CONTRARY TO LAW. ONCE AN APPOINTMENT IS MADE, YOU CAN NOT EXCLUDE ANYBODY UNLESS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REMOVAL. AND AS LONG AS YOU CAN ADD THAT LANGUAGE SUBJECT TO TEXAS LAW, I WOULD BE FINE WITH IT.

I WOULD BE FINE WITH IT. BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU ARE TRYING TO GET POLICIES TO OUTLAST US. AND THIS IS FINE.

THAT IS WHAT POLICIES ARE ABOUT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS THE KEY. THIS IS A POLICY FOR GOING FORWARD FOR A LONG TIME. AND THIS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL WARN YOU AS WE DEVELOP IMPORTANT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE FUTURE, THERE MIGHT BE NEW ONES THAT COME UP. FOR YOU TO LIMIT COMMISSIONERS AND YOURSELVES -- I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST IT.

THE PEOPLE WANT YOU TO SERVE. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR ARGUMENT HERE IS THAT THERE WILL BE NO UNDUE ILLNESS. MAN, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GO OVER THERE AND INFLUENCE. THAT IS YOUR WHOLE PURPOSE.

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO ADVOCATE FOR NUECES SO THAT FYI, THE OTHER DAY ATING AT THE COG. THEY SAID YOU DON'T GET $31 MILLION. I AM THERE TO SAY YES, WE NEED THESE DOLLARS AND WE WILL WORK WITH YOU AND WORK TOGETHER.

IF I AM NOT IN THE ROOM. OR YOU ARE NOT IN THE ROOM.

I WANT YOU THERE WITH ME TO A VIS KATE FOR BRISCO KING PAVILION. I WANT HIM IN THE ROOM IF ADVOCATING FOR BISHOP. THIS IS WHY WE ARE HERE.

I AM TELLING YOU I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTIVATION -- I WILL GIVE YOU THE LIGHT MOST FAVORABLE.

THIS IS NOT GOOD POLICY. THIS IS NOT GOOD GOVERNMENT AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU ARE GOING TO TAILOR WHERE MEANS SOMETHING

AND IT MEANS NOTHING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM TRYING KEEP THIS PROFESSIONAL AND I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS. AN ATTEMPT THAT WILL CREATE A POLICY THAT WILL OUTLAST EVERYBODY UP HERE.

BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS.

AND YOU ARE GETTING STUCK ON ONE BOARD.

THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS NEVER A TIME WHERE WE SHOULD -- WE SHOULD APPOINT SOMEONE TO SIT ON A BOARD THAT WE APPOINT THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE SUPPOSEDED TO LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS AND BE INDEPENDENT. IT WOULD BE TOTALLY, FOR EXAMPLE -- THERE IS NOTHING RIGHT NOW THAT PROHIBITS ME FROM SAYING I WANT TO BE ON THE PARKS BOARD. NUECES COUNTY COASTAL PARKS BOARD. NOT RIGHT FOR ME TO BE ON THE COASTAL PARKS BOARD AS THE PERSON WHO HELPS FUND THEM AND HAVE INDUE INFLUENCE ON THEM. THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS ABOUT THE 40 OR 50 OTHER BOARDS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT MOST CITIES AND COUNTIES HAVE POLICIES JUST LIKE THIS THAT SAY YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER PUSLEY WHEN HE WANTED TO BE ON A CITY COUNCIL BOARD AND THEY SAID YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A POLICY.

AND I THINK IT IS GOOD POLICY FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT YOURSELF ON A BOARD WHERE WE ARE APPOINTING INDEPENDENT BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY WILL BE MORE INFLUENCED BY A MEMBER OF THE COURT.

AND THAT MEMBER OF THE COURT WILL NOT AGREE WITH THE REST OF THE COURT AND THAT IS NOT RIGHT. I MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT IMPRESSION THAN COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

IF I GO ON THE COASTAL PARKS BOARD, THEN THAT IS NOT FAIR.

THOSE ARE THE BOARDS THAT I AM FOCUSED ON.

THAT IS THE AGENDA HERE. ALL OF THESE BOARDS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MAYBE INCLUDE EMPLOYEES SINCE THAT HAPPENED TO

US ONCE ALREADY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. THIS WAS JUST COMMISSIONERS COURT POLICIES, BUT IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THAT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT COASTAL PARKING BOARD, I

AGREE WITH YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 245 IS

JUST AN EXAMPLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S TRY TO

GET TO THE END OF THIS HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGAIN, A MOTION AND SECOND AND YOU FINISH YOUR TERM.

THAT IS THE MOTION AND SECOND ON THIS.

THAT'S OKAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WOULD ASK THAT THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDE ME -- I DON'T HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION ASIDE FROM THE EDC. IF THERE IS ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT BACK SINCE IT HAS NO AWARENESS. IN THAT CASE, I GET TO CALL THIS

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VOTES. WELL, ACTUALLY, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? OKAY.

ON THE COURT ROOM POLICIES -- SORRY, THE COURT COMMISSIONERS' POLICIES, ON ITEM NUMBER 4, THE ONE WE JUST SPOKE OF, MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >> NO.

>> NO. >> TWO NOS, THREE AYES, KARA.

ON THE TRAVEL. THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER 3.

WE DID NOT VOTE ON IT. >> DID YOU VOTE ON IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, GOOD. ONE THEN WE HAVEN'T WHICH IS THE

-- TWO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE AND

TWO, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: REMEMBER HE HAS THE LANGUAGE. LET'S START WITH TWO.

AND, AGAIN, JENNY, I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BUT -- I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE WILL TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON IT, OR DO WE, COURT. DO WE WANT -- ARE YOU HAPPY TO DELIVER YOUR OPINION HERE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT 161. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I LIKE THE IDEA THAT COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ HAD TO TABLE IT FOR THE 7TH TO LOOK --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE AND TWO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: TAKE YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ

AND SECONDED BY JACK. >> ONE AND TWO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[1. Receive update from Corpus Christi-Nueces County Public Health District regarding COVID-19 and MonkeyPox.]

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. I AM GOING TO MOVE ON TO -- BACK TO THE REGULAR AGENDA AND CALL ON HILLARY WATT.

OUR COASTAL BEND REGIONAL ADVISORY COUNCIL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. IF THAT ACRONYM CBRAC DOESN'T RING A BELL, LET ME SAY THERE ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS AND STAFF THAT ARE TOTAL UNSUNG HEROES IN OUR COMMUNITY AT THE DAIS, AT HER PODIUM IS, AS THEY SAY NUMERO UNO. DURING COVID-19, WE WOULD NOT --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT ITEM, JUDGE?

>>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM NUMBER 1. SHE HAS BEEN ASKED BY THE CITY TO PREPARE THE MONKEYPOX. THAT'S CORRECT?

>> I AM JUST GOING TO GIVE AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE WITH COVID.

AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MONKEYPOX, YES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HILLARY WATT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR

YOUR GOOD MORNING. >> GIVE YOU BACKGROUND WHAT OUR ORGANIZATION IS, ONE OF 22 ADVISORY COUNCILS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. WE ARE LEGISLATIVELY MANDATED TO WORK THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES.

THEY FUND US AND PROVIDE US THE TOOLS TO WORK WITH OUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS FOR THE STATE SIDE OF OUR MISSION BLUE SKY OPERATIONS. WE WRITE THE PLANS, KEEPER OF THE ORIGINAL PLANS. BASICALLY WHEN ANY OF YOUR COMMUNITY -- PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITIES ARE HAVING THE WORST DAY OF THE LIFE WHETHER THEY ARE HAVING A TRAUMA THEIC INCIDENT, A CARDIAC ARREST, A STROKE, OR WHETHER IT COULD BE MOTHERS AND BABIES, WE ARE THERE TO WRITE PLANS REGIONALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET TO THE RIGHT HOSPITAL FOR THE RIGHT CARE AT THE RIGHT TIME. THE OTHER PART OF OUR MISSION IS DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE THAT JUDGE CANALES JUST ALLUDED TO. WE HAVE BEEN PUT TO THE TEST SINCE THE PANDEMIC ARRIVED ON OUR DOORSTEP.

ANYWAY, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE COVID SITUATION HERE IN THE COASTAL BEND. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE MISSION OF THE COASTAL BEND RAC, TO PREVENT TRAUMA, ACUTE ILLNESS THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION OF APPROPRIATE EDUCATION AND WELL PLANNED AND COORDINATED IT IS ASTER AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE SYSTEMS. WE ARE A 501-C-3. AND BELOW THERE YOU WILL SEE THE 12 COUNTIES AND THE COASTAL BENDS ALL THE WAY FOR S SAN PETRICIO. OUR FEDERAL PROGRAM, I COVER THE COASTAL BEND COUNTIES LAREDO ALL THE WAY TO THE MEXICO BORDER ON THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDEND SHOW A MAP. THE MAP OF TEXAS AND THE # 2 REGIONAL ADVISE RADIO HE COUNCILS.

FOR THE FIRST PURPOSE TALK ABOUT BRAC-U AND SHOW IS YOU THE 12 COUNTIES. ON COVID IS STILL WITH US.

ABSOLUTELY. STILL IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

ALTHOUGH WE ARE SEEING VERY MUCH LESSER HOSPITALIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE THROUGH THE OTHER PEAKS. JUST FOR YOUR AWARENESS ALL NUECES COUNTY HOSPITALS A ARE BRAC-U HOSPITALS.

MOST HOSPITALS IN THE NATION ARE CONTINUING WITH A COMBINATION OF TESTING PROCEDURES, WHETHER THAT BE PEOPLE WHO PRESENT TO THE

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FACILITY WHO ARE SYMPTOMATIC OR SYMPTOMATIC AND NO KNOWN EXPOSURE TO COVID-19. OR IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE SURGERY, THEY ARE TESTED. ING REQUIRED FOR OUR STAFF AND VISITORS. PPE STANDPOINTS, PERSONAL PROTECTION EQUIPMENT IS IN PLACE FOR PERSONAL CARE AREAS FOR ANYBODY TREATED FOR COVID-19. CONNIE, CAN YOU CLICK ON THE LINK PLEASE. AS SOME OF YOU REMEMBER, BACK IN THE EARLY DAYS OF COVID AND THROUGHOUT THE PEAKS OF THE PANDEMIC, WE HAD A 15% THRESHOLD WHEREBY ELECTED OFFICIALS HAD THE ABILITY TO THEN, YOU KNOW, LESSON THE OBJECTING -- LESSEN THE OCCUPANCY AT RESTAURANTS AND SEVEN DAYS 15% HOSPITALIZATION RATE OR LESS. CURRENTLY YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE THE INPATIENTS WE HAVE IN THE STATE.

THIS IS THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND CONNIE, IF YOU GO DOWN DO THE REGIONAL.

IF YOU CLICK ON U. WE ARE STAGNANT ON HOSPITALIZATIONS. NO PEAKS.

NO TRENDS THAT WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS OF OR HIGHLY AWARE OF.

OUR HOSPITALS ARE HANDLING THINGS VERY WELL.

WE ARE IN VERY GOOD SHAPE AND STILL EXISTS.

THESE NUMBERS BY WEEKDAYS BY 4:00 AND THE MOST RECENT NUMBERS AVAILABLE. NEXT SLIDE CONNIES.

>> NO, THAT'S NOT IT. >> I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE SLIDES. HOW DO I GET BACK TO THE SLIDES?

>> I DON'T KNOW, YOU ARE IN CHARGE.

>> WE ARE IN TROUBLE. >> WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE

SLIDES WITH THE DATA. >> I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE WAY. NOPE.

THERE YOU GO. OKAY.

THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. I PULLED THE NUMBERS.

THERE YOU GO. SO AS OF FRIDAY -- AND I DID PULL IT DOWN FOR NUECES COUNTY HOSPITALS SPECIFICALLY.

THIS GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW AS OF FRIDAY'S NUMBERS WHAT THE HOSPITALS ARE REPORTING HOSPITALS ARE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT A SLEW OF COVID DATA ON THE DAILY AND REQUIRED BY THE STATE, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE CDC RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE A GOOD AWARENESS WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PANDEMIC.

THESE WERE CONFIRMED, LAB CONFIRMED COVID-POSITIVE ADMISSIONS AS OF FRIDAY. THREE IN THE PEDIATRIC RANGE.

AND YOU CAN SEE -- I CAN READ THEM IF YOU WANT, BUT IT GOES DOWN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AGE RANGES.

YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR NUMBERS ARE VERY LOW AS FAR AS HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE CONCERNED. AND THE NEXT SLIDE CONNIE.

MITIGATION. SO RIGHT NOW CONTINUING REPORT OF TESTING AND VACCINATION. AND AND SEVERAL AREA LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTY THAT PEOPLE CAN GO GET TESTED AT.

AND THEY CAN ALSO REQUEST THE FREE TESTS WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT. AND BOOSTER SHOTS.

I DON'T HAVE PUBLIC HEALTH DATA. I AM NOT PUBLIC HEALTH SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU VACCINATION RATE FOR NUECES COUNTY.

BUT THE REPORTING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL THAT WE ARE AT 67% PEOPLE FULLY VACCINATED AND BOOSTED AND STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO. MEDICATIONS ARE AVAILABLE AND OUR PARTNERS AT THE DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WAS WORKING ON A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS TO HAVE A SIMILAR STOCKPILE TO THE STRATEGIC NATIONAL STOCKPILE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE ITEMS WERE EXPIRED IF YOU ALL RECALL.

THEY TRIED TO OPEN THAT UP AND SEND IT TO US.

THE CHIEF AND THE REST OF US WILL WORK WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, PRIMARILY OUR HEALTH CARE COMPANIES AND OUR LONGEST AGENCIES CREATE WAREHOUSES TO STORE PPE AND DURABLE EQUIPMENT.

SALINE AND EPINEPHRINE RIGHT NOW, THE IDEA IS FOR THAT TO BE A PLACE THAT WE CAN ROTATE THE STOCK THROUGH SO WE WILL NEVER GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE 40,000 OR MORE N 95 MASKS

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THAT EX-PEERED YEARS AGO. OKAY, MOVING ON.

MONKEYPOX. I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.

I JUST PULLED THIS FROM THE DHS WEB SITE FOR YOU GUYS.

I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD FOUR CASES IN PUBLIC HEALTH REGIONAL 11. RIO GRANLDZ, LA REDOE AND THE YE YO GRANDE VALLEY. MONKEYPOX IS A DISEASE THAT CAN CAUSE A IS VERY SERIOUS SKIN RASH AND APPEARS TO BE SPREAD WITH THE SKIN AND SALIVA OF AN INFECTED PERSON.

MOST CASE SO FAR ARE AMONG MEN WHO HAVE SEX WITH MEN.

AND THAT POPULATION SHOULD BE ESPECIALLY AWARE OF THAT AND TAKE PRECAUTIONS TO AVOID DIRECT CONTACT WITH ANYONE WITH A RASH.

A PREVENTABLE DISEASE AND PEOPLE HAVE AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO STOP ITS SPREAD. MOST CASES IN TEXAS HAVE SPREAD THROUGH CLOSE INTIMATE CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WITH MONKEYPOX.

RISK INCLUDES HAVING SEX, KISSING OR HUGGING SOMEONE WITH MONKEYPOX OR SHARING CUPS, UTENSILS, BEDDING OR TOWELS WITH THEM. NOW THE SYMPTOMS ARE MILD -- ALSO FLU-LIKE SYMPTOMS AND THE RASH.

THE RASH ITSELF IS VERY, VERY CONTAGIOUS.

YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE SCABS TO COMPLETELY HEAL AND FALL OFF UP UNTIL THAT POINT AND THE NEW SKIN GROWS UNDERNEATH.

UP TO THAT POINT STILL VERY HIGHLY, HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS THE STATE OF TEXAS BROKEN DOWN BY PUBLIC HEALTH REGIONS.

WE HAD FOUR CONFIRMED CASES IN REGION 11.

THAT IS OUR REGION. NEXT ONE.

AND THIS SHOWS YOU BY TEXAS CASES, THE AGE BREAKDOWN.

AND THEN IT FURTHER -- NEXT ONE BREAKS IT DOWN BY MALE AND FEMALE. MAJORITY OF THESE CASES ARE SEEN IN MALES. THERE IS A -- NEXT ONE, THERE IS A VACCINE AVAILABLE AND THERE HAVE BEEN AN ALLOCATION MADE TO THE STATE OF TEXAS BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

IT IS CALLED GENEOS. A TWO-DOSE VACCINE.

HALF THE DOSE TO GIVE A SECOND DOSE 28 DAYS BEFORE THE FIRST DOSE. TESTING -- I KNOW THAT OUR LAB HERE, PUBLIC HEALTH ARE IN TOUCH WITH ALL OTHER HOSPITALS ON A DAILY BASIS. THEY ARE SHARING INFORMATION ON RECOGNIZING THE SYMPTOMS. HOW TO GET THE VACCINE AND HOW TO GET INDIVIDUALS TESTED. THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES HAS TO APPROVE TESTING AND NOT A PARTICULARLY QUICK PROCESS. ABOUT ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS TODAY UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON EITHER OF THOSE. I AM SORRY I DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE DATA ON VACCINATIONS BUT I DIDN'T HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NO WORRIES. THANK YOU, GUYS.

ANYBODY? WE HAVEN'T HAD A GOOD UPDATE IN A LONG TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND GIVING US THE UPDATE AND STRAW TREEJIC RESERVE WAREHOUSES -- STRATEGIC RESERVE WAREHOUSES ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

CAN YOU REMIND EVERYBODY. >> TWO CURRENTLY.

ONE THAT IS BUILT IN SAN ANTONIO CURRENTLY.

THE SECOND ONE IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW IN COLLEGE STATION.

AND THE VISION IS TO HAVE ONE IN EVERY AREA.

IN COASTAL BEND. MAY BE IN WESLACO.

TRYING TO BRING THOSE IN -- HE HAS THE FUNDING BUT LITERALLY

GETTING THEM BUILT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT THE COMMISSIONERS TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR AFTER ACTION REPORT AFTER WINTER STORMYURI.

AN IDEA LOCATION. NOT GOOD IF YOUR ROADS ARE CLOSED. WINTER STORM YURI SHOWCASED SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.

REGIONALIZE WITHIN OUR REGION. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE IT IN NUECES PROPER, BUT ABSOLUTELY IN THE COASTAL BEND.

>> I AGREE. WE SHOULD HAVE OUR OWN ANYWAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE AGREE. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGREES.

THANK YOU, HILLARY. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I WILL LET HILLARY GET BACK TO HER JOB.

>> THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: I SAW THEM.

THEY OPENED THE -- REBECCA, I SAW LOUIE COME IN AND THEN LOUIE

[2. Discuss disaster preparedness and response, including matters related to COVID-19, Emergency Orders, severe weather, flooding, drainage, economic recovery, state and federal assistance, American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA), Emergency Rental Assistance Program (ERAP), and infrastructure status, and other related matters.]

COMES OUT. AWESOME.

LOUIE, COULD WE GET A REPORT FROM YOU ON WHAT I AM CALLING

ALL THINGS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

GOOD MORNING, COURT. SOME COUNTY HIGHLIGHTS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS GOING TO BE WEATHER.

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YOU CAN EXPECT THIS WEEK THE HIGHS WILL BE ABOUT 105 DEGREES AND LOWING WILL BE PROBABLY LOW 90S.

-- LOWS WILL BE PROBABLY LOW 90S.

FOR LAST WEEK IS 32 DEGREES -- I MEAN 32 -- ON THE KBI INDEX, THE MAXIMUM THAT WE HAVE FOR LAST WEEK WATT 512.

BUT THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 662. TO THE KBI IS HOW WE TELL WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE IN A FIRE HAZARD OR NOT -- FIRE HAZARD FOR THAT WEEK. THIS WEEK, WE HAVE FOUR STORMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT ARE IN THE ATLANTIC AND THE COASTAL BASIN. I MEAN THE -- SO IN THE ATLANTIC STARTING ON THE EAST OFF AFRICA, A TROPICAL WAVE THAT IS STARTING OFF AND MOVING EASTWARD. THERE WAS A DEPRESSION, A TROPICAL STORM IN THE MID-ATLANTIC THAT WILL NOT AFFECT US AT ALL. TWO STORMS THAT ARE THE GULF COAST AREA. ONE SEEMS TO BE MOVING UP TOWARD THE ATLANTIC -- THE EAST ATLANTIC AREA.

THE OTHER ONE SEEMS TO BE MOVING WEST.

BOTH OF THESE STORMS MAY HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT INTO A TROPICAL DEPRESSION, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT HAPPENING IS LESS THAN 50%. SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE IN THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR THE LAST MONTH SINCE I HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU GUY AS GOOD UPDATE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING ON OUR LONG-RANGE CALENDAR START A CIVILIAN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM. WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO THE COURT TO BRING -- TO DISCUSS THAT.

WE ALSO WILL START BUILDING A RECOVERY PLAN FOR THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM AND A PREPAREDNESS PLAN FOR THE EOC.

SOME OF THE SHORT-RANGE THINGS THAT WE GOT GOING ON FOR THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK IS THE NUECES HAZARDOUS MITIGATION PLAN.

THAT MEET ALSO HAPPEN TOMORROW. WE HAVE A HURRICANE EXERCISE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF ROBS TOWN TO GET GOING.

A FUNCTIONAL EXERCISE WHICH WE WILL BE AT R&D AND WORKING THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES. AND WORK WITH THE LONE STAR, UNMANNED AERIAL SURVEILLANCE. FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT EXERCISE GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE 21-23.

THAT WILL BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SEE HOW WE CAN USE UAS ASSETS TO HELP IN BOTH MITIGATION -- WELL, ALWAYS -- ALL PARTS OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

SO MITIGATION STRATEGIES, AS WELL AS RESPONSE AND RECOVERY.

SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST THREE WEEKS OR SO.

SO WE WORKED ON OUR NORTH FOR THE -- FOR A HAZMAT EXERCISE THAT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US BECAUSE USUALLY THOSE HAZMAT EXERCISES DON'T HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY AREA.

THEY USUALLY HAPPEN IN THE CITY. THAT WAS OUTSTANDING.

WE HAVE A MEETING WITH WEST OSO HIGH SCHOOL TO -- WELL, THAT IS GOING TO BE ON WEDNESDAY TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND WORK WITH SOME OF THE ISDS WITH THE NEW TEXAS ASSOCIATION SECURITY METHODS. SOME THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS WANT TO REMIND OUR PUBLIC IS STEER. PURGE HAPPENED IN JULY.

WE DID IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH.

1,000 PEOPLE REGISTERED. IF YOU REGISTERED LAST YEAR, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND REREGISTER AGAIN.

STEER IS HOW WE CAN HELP THOSE MEDICALLY FRAGILE AND MAY NEED ASSISTANCE IN EVACUATION AND PUTTING OUT INFORMATION.

SHELTER IN PLACE -- SO I HAD A MEETING WITH THE LAPC LAST WEEK TO TALK ABOUT SHELTER IN PLACE THAT IS FOR OUR ISDS.

FOR ISD THAT IS NEED SHELTER IN PLACE, WE ASK THAT YOU DO A CURRENT INVENTORY OF THE CURRENT SHELTER IN PLACE.

FIGURE OUT HOW MANY YOU HAVE SHORT AND TEND -- SEND ME AN E-MAIL OR TO THE LAPC. OTHER THAN THAT, JUDGE, THAT'S

ALL I HAVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ONLY THING THAT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT I THOUGHT WAS SUPER INTRIGUE IS YOU ARE REALLY MONITORING IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THE LEVELS

OF OUR RIVERS. >> YES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AND THE CRESTING.

IT IS SUPER INTERESTING WHERE WE ARE NOW.

TWO SECONDS -- NOT TWO, BUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

>> IT WAS A -- SOMETHING THAT WE HAD A CONCERN WITH LAST WEEK THAT WE FELT THAT THE RIVERS MAY HAVE SOME -- JUST SOME REGULAR RIVER FLOOD FROM HEAVY RAINS. SEEMS TO HAVE STOPPED.

WE ARE LOOKING AT IT TO BASICALLY THE NUECES RIVER TO

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CREST. IT MAY CREST ON SUNDAY.

BECAUSE WE EXPECT A LOT OF A INTHIS WEEK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS FOR YOU COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ GETS THOSE CHARTS. WE SOMETIMES SEND THEM TO IDAY AND HE SENDS THEM TO YOU. WE NEED TO WATCH THAT BECAUSE THE MINUTE IT WILL LOOK A LITTLE HIGH, IT WILL AFFECT YOUR FOLKS

MOST. >> JUDGE, WE WERE OUT THIS WEEK

MONITORING. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS GOOD.

THEY HAVE OF THE PREDICTIONS A WEEK OUT.

SOMETIMES WHAT YOUR EYES DON'T SEE IS COMING AND LOUIE CAN GIVE

YOU THE GOOD DATA. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHEN I SAY "WE" I MEAN PUBLIC WORKS. JERRY GARCIA.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LOUIE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? APPRECIATE IT VERY, VERY MUCH.

[1. August 17, 2022]

>>JUDGE CANALES: MINUTES ONI-1, TO APPROVE.

IS THERE A MOTION HAVING READ THEM.

[2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SO MOVED. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL NOSE FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS A THROUGHM. M AS IN MARY.

ANY THAT NEED SPECIAL CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME? I WOULD LIKE FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE A-M.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND?

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: EXCUSE ME -- A THROUGH M.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JOHN HAS A SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, CAN I PULL -- I HAVE A QUESTION EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING ON K, CLARIFICATION QUESTION.

MY MOTION WILL BE TO STILL PASS THE REST OF THEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM WITH YOU. A-M.

WE WILL HOLD K, KARA FOR RIGHT THIS SECOND.

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, ARE YOU STILL GOOD?

[K. Ratify the following Certificates of Appointment for the Board of Park Commissioners: 1. Troy Adler 2. Robert J. Paulison 3. Kimberly Zahn-Winton 4. Mitra Khan 5. Misty Svboda 6. Cody Bates 7. Rick Patel]

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. ITEM K.

THIS IS ADMINISTERIAL. AND ANNOUNCEMENT THAT A PIECE OF PAPER THEY GET, A CERTIFICATE OF APPOINTMENT AFTER THEY GET

BONDED. >> WE ARE ASKING FOR THE COURT TO CLEAN UP A LITTLE BIT OF PAPERWORK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DON JUAN 1, THE SAME AS OTHER BOARDS.

THIS IS CLEANING UP FOR THAT BOARD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. EVEN THOUGH 3-A-1 WOULD BE NEXT.

SOME PEOPLE WOULD WOULD HAVE ASKED TO GO FIRST DUE TO -- I GUESS THEIR SCHEDULE. BUT I WILL TAKE ANY TABLES RIGHT

NOW. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DO

HAVE -- I BELIEVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE GOT ONE TOO. NUMBER TWO, WE ALREADY DID IT, CORRECT? DID WE VOTE ON TWO AS A TABLE?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DID. >>JUDGE CANALES: I GOT TO MAKE

MY NOTES. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TABLED

IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE UNTIL

THEY WERE READY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I

THOUGHT WE WERE TABLING ONE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANYBODY HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE THERE? NUMBER ONE?

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALLOCATIONS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NUMBER ONE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AM I

WRONG ON THAT? >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT SOMEBODY ASKED ME TO

TABLE THAT. >> MISSING INFORMATION FOR THIS ONE. TERESA IS STILL WORK ON IT.

ON CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TERESA

HAD ASKED. >>JUDGE CANALES: TERESA --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOTION TABLE UNTIL THE DATE SHE WANTS

TO PUTS IT BACK ON. >>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. SAME SIGN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I HAVE ANOTHER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD IF YOU CAN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM NOT SURE HOW THIS ONE GOT PUT BACK ON. NUMBER 17.

SOMEONE CAN TABLE THAT UNTIL I PUT IT BACK ON.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT A DATE ON THAT ONE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE 17. BY COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PURCHASING BOARD.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

TABLE THAT ONE. ANY MORE?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, MA'AM, ONE MORE.

COUNTY MANAGER WAS LOOKING FOR A TABLE BECAUSE NOT READY ON E-2.

DISCUSSION THE RELEASE AND REVISION OF THE PERSONAL POLICY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK JENNY NEEDS TIME ON THAT ONE TOO.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: E AS IN EDWARD.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >> JUDGE.

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REQUESTED TABLE 10, 3-A-10. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHO? OKAY. LOUIE? SO MOVED, JUDGE, UNTIL HE IS READY TO PUT IT BACK ON.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TO GET YOU A ZERO COST.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A MOVE AND A TABLE WHEN HE IS READY TO

PUTS IT BACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION -- YOU WILL TAKE THAT MOTION AND I WILL SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THAT TABLES NUMBER 10. ANYBODY ELSE, GUYS? OKAY. WELL THAT HELPS QUITE A BIT.

CHEST CHESS I HAVE ANOTHER ONE LATER --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE ANOTHER ONE LATER.

[1. Receive update on Juvenile Detention Facility Parking Lot Improvement pursuant to the ABM Energy Savings Performance Contract.]

>> ANOTHER ONE WHERE THE PERSON NEEDS TO BE AT ANOTHER LOCATION, JUVENILE DETENTION. HE IS JUST IN.

HE JUST WALKED IN. LISTENING TO US OUTSIDE.

IF YOU WILL SET UP, SHANE -- YOU WILL GIVE US AN UPDATE ON OUR ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACT, BUT REALLY IT IS FOCUSED ON THE JUVENILE FACILITY.

IF YOU WANT TO MENTION ANYTHING ELSE, YOU CAN.

BUT PLEASE MAKE IT -- THE WAY WE NOTICED IS ABOUT THE JUVENILE

DETENTION FACILITY PARKING LOT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, CAN I ALSO ASK -- STRAGGLERS ON 11 AND 12 FOR KARA'S ITEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S DO THAT NEXT.

WE WILL COME OUT OF ORDER. GO AHEAD, SHANE.

>> THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR, COMMISSIONERS.

AN UPDATE OF THE PARKING LOT AT THE JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY.

CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE ARE GETTING READY TO START THE PARKING LOT. WE ORIGINALLY HAD THIS IN THE DEPARTMENT MEETING. WE PHASED TO HAVE THE BACK PARKING LOT WHERE THE REPAIR WORK WAS GOING TO BE DONE AND MOVE TO THE FRONT. WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO FLOP THAT. THE REASON WHY IS THERE IS BETTER PARKING BY DOING THE FRONT FIRST AND ALLOWING THE BACK PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE OUT THERE.

NOT TO MENTION WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR TO COME OUT, AND STARTING ON WEDNESDAY, THERE WILL BE SURVEY WITH THE WEEK FOLLOWING AFTER THAT STARTING THE DEMO WORK FOR THAT PROJECT

TO BEGIN. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

SO -- IDEAS ON COMPLETION? >> TAKE TWO AND A HALF MONTHS TO DO THIS WORK, 49,600 SQUARE FEET ABOUT.

THE BIGGEST THING IS THIS HAS TO BE DONE IN PHASES BECAUSE OF HAVING TO KEEP THAT PARKING LOT OPEN AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING FACILITY CAN STILL GET INTO IT.

WE CAN DO PORTIONS OF A TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THERE A SIGN -- I AM BIG ON SIGNS. A SIGN THAT SAYS WE KNOW THIS PARKING LOT IS LOOKING TERRIBLE BUT WE ARE STARTING TO FIX IT AND WILL BE DONE IN TWO AND A HALF MONTHS.

I FEEL THAT IF PEOPLE KNEW, IT WOULD REALLY GIVE COMFORT TO -- HEY, THEY SEE WORK GOING ON. AND THEY THINK, HAVE THEY

FORGOTTEN US. >> CURRENTLY NOT A SIGN FOR THIS RIGHT NOW. BUT WE COULD SET UP SOMETHING IN

ORDER. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU KNOW, THE

PARDON OUR MESS. >> AMA SAY THEY WILL PUT UP A SIGN AND PUT A DURATION TIME SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT.

ONE OF THE BIG THING DISCUSSED IN THE LAST WALK THAT WE DID WAS THE SALLY PORT AREA WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE THING.

ADDRESSED AS A TEMPORARY FIX RIGHT NOW WHICH THEY FINISHED UP ON SATURDAY. BUT THAT IS THE AREA THAT WE WANT TO START FIRST. WE WANT TO REPLACE THE SALLY PORT AREA AND THAT SIDE AND GET THAT WORK DONE AND GO TO THE SIDE AS IT SITS. THAT WILL HELP FOR THOSE WITH

PROBLEMS TO THAT FACILITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ HAD A QUESTION OF THE SALLY PORT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL GETTING ON TOP OF THAT.

THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT I HAVE GOTTEN, CALLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. PEOPLE SAY I AM GLAD YOU ALL ARE

HERE. >> YES, SIR, YES.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE APPRECIATE THAT.

ONCE YOU DO THAT AND THAT IS DONE, PEOPLE CAN DRIVE IN AND

LOAD, UPLOAD. >> WE AGREE WITH YOU.

THAT IS THE REASON WE DECIDED TO FLOP FROM THE BACK PARKING LOT BECAUSE THE FRONT PARKING LOT SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE WORST SCENARIO WITH MORE PEOPLE VISIT ISSING THE FACILITY, WE FELT WE GETTER ADDRESS THAT AND THEN GO BACK AND HANDLE THE REPAIR WORK

BY THE CONTRACTOR IN THE BACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST FRIENDLY ADVICE, BUT ANOTHER NICE THING FOR YOU TO DO.

WHEN YOU ARE READY TO MAKE THAT FLIP-FLOP, YOU WORK WITH OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. HE WILL SIGNAL TO EMPLOYEES AND

THE PUBLIC HEY GOOD PARKING. >> WE ARE WORKING WITH THE

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FACILITY RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE WE SET UP FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS THERE. AND WE ALSO SET UP -- THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE OR -- YEAH, SIGNAGE TO TELL THEM WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME TO THE NEXT DRIVEWAY TO PA

PARK. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHANE. APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU, GUYS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. SDPET TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAD ANOTHER TABLE.

I APOLOGIZE I DID NOT GET MY BACK-UP.

3-A-19. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: 3-A-19. MOTION TO TABLE 3-A-19.

IS THERE A SECOND? >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MULTIPLES. I HEARD MAREZ FIRST.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OKAY, I AM GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER -- BY THE WAY I AM GOING TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK.

WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR A BATHROOM BREAK.

I KNOW -- I CAN SEE EVERYBODY -- I WILL DO ONE MORE.

IF THERE WILL BE A MOTION AT 11:35.

PLEASE, I SURE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

AND A SECOND. BECAUSE I AM DYING TO GO.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OKAY. SO THIS ONE IS CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE FOR COUNTY OFFICES. I PUT THIS ONE ON --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO KARA NEXT.

THAT'S RIGHT. LET'S GO BACK TO YOURS.

LET'S DO KARA'S FIRST. KARA, YOUR ITEM 3-A, 11 AND 12.

ONE OF THEM ADDRESS THE EARLY VOTE WITH POLLING LOCATIONS AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE REGULAR DATE, NOVEMBER 8.

LET'S DO EARLY VOTE FOR RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE A COPYRIGHT HERE. AND YOU HAVE STARRED FOR US THE NEW LOCATIONS. AND THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP AND THE INTENT OF THE COURT IS TO GO 7 TO 7 THE FIRST WEEK.

AND MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU AS PERTAIN THAT THE LOCATIONS WILL

BE 7 TO 7:00. >> THANK YOU FOR WAITING AFTER Y'ALL VOTED ON IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY YOU NOT WAITING FOR ME IS EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL.

100% AND A MAD RUSH TO GET THIS DONE WHEN I WASN'T HERE.

AND NOW THAT I'M HERE, YOU WAITED.

I WILL PUT THAT OUT THERE, AGAIN.

I HAD A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT AND I CAME RIGHT AFTERWARDS.

MY STAFF TOLD YOU I WAS AT THE DOCTOR AND I WOULD BE HERE.

AND SO YOU ALL NOT WAITING IS JUST DISRESPECTFUL.

MOVING ON. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE DID --

>> YOU HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND YOU VOTED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL WE DID -- WE ARE SIGNALING OUR INTENT AND WAIT FOR YOU. OUR INTENT IS THE COURT MAKES THE DECISION. OUR DECISION IS TO GO 7-7.

NOW WE WANT TO ASK YOU FOR THE BUDGET THAT YOU WOULD NEED.

>> NOT ONLY ABOUT THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH 8 TO 5.

A REASON WE DON'T GO 7 TO 7 THE FIRST WEEK, BECAUSE YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THE WORKERS, RIGHT.

AND A LOT OF THEM ARE RETIRED. AND IT WEARS THEM OUT THE 8 TO 5 AND GETTING USED TO IT. THEN THEY GO INTO THE 7 TO 7 SATURDAY AND THE NEXT WEEK. SO THEY HAVE MADE ARRANGEMENTS FOR 8 TO 5. I HAVE ALSO ADDED -- OR MY STAFF, WE ADDED FOUR MORE EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD BEFORE. WHICH IS CHURCH UNLIMITED.

PASTOR BILL CORNELIUS -- ACTUALLY FOUR.

FOUR BRAND-NEW ONES WE NEVER USED BEFORE.

PASTOR BILL CORNELIUS USE BOTH CHURCH UNLIMITED CAMPUS THAT IS AMAZING AND VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND NORTHWEST SENIOR CENTER THAT WE HAVE NEVER USED WHICH IS EXCITING.

AND SO WE, AGAIN, ARE GIVING MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE.

SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE, OUR PRIORITY HAS BEEN TO MAKE VOTING EASIER FOR PEOPLE AND WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH VOTE CENTERS.

AND MY STAFF IS HERE AND PICKING LOCATIONS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU DO IN A DAY. THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. AND THESE FOLKS WORK SO HARD.

AND -- AND ALSO, AND THEY WILL TELL YOU, TRYING TO GET EARLY VOTING WORKERS FOR -- WHAT MAKES THEM BALK WORK SOMETHING THAT LAST WEEK OF 7 TO 7:00. PAUSE IT WEARS THEM OUT.

NOT ONLY 12 HOURS. ACTUALLY OVER 13 HOURS.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE THERE EARLY AND HAVE TO SET UP EVERY MORNING AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BREAK DOWN.

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SO THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS. AND THE LOCATIONS AS WELL.

WE ARE, WE ARE THE GUESTS. WE SHARE THE COST, JUDGE.

WE SHARE THE COST WITH THE OTHER ENTITIES.

DON'T FORGET EVERYBODY PAYS THEIR FAIR SHARE, ALL THE ENTITIES. WE DISCUSS WITH THEM.

AND THEY ARE HAPPY WITH THE TIMES.

SO THE -- I MEAN, IF YOU ALL WANT TO MAKE IT 7 TO 7:00 -- I JUST WANTED YOU TO TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

I AM WILLING TO CHANGE IF I HAVE TO CHANGE.

I THINK I MADE THE MOVE TO DO THIS PENDING ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO TAKE CARE OF IT -- IF YOU HAD TO HIRE TWO MORE PEOPLE FROM 5 TO 7 EXTRA.

WE WILL GIVE YOU THE MONEY, BUT IF YOU CAN'T, WE NEED TO GO BACK

TO 5. >> AGAIN, THE FUNDS -- WE SHARE THAT COST, RIGHT. WE ARE NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT. AND PLUS OUR -- OUR ELECTIONS DON'T COST A LOT TO BEGIN WITH. WE ARE VERY GOOD WITH THAT.

IT'S THE LOCATIONS AND THE PEOPLE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SO, KARA. >> SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE TO

LOOK INTO. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO TWO -- AGAIN, REMEMBER SINCE WE DIDN'T POST IT, WE GOT COMMENTS ON IT.

SO WE GOT COMMENTS FROM THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS WHO WERE HERE WITH US EARLIER. AND THEY SUGGESTED THAT FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES, 7 A.M. TO 7 P.M. ON BOTH EARLY VOTING WEEKS WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE VOTERS.

AND THAT IS WHY THE ISSUE CAME UP.

SECOND, WHAT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS WHETHER OR NOT -- I AM GLAD THE MONEY IS NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE THAT WOULD -- OBVIOUSLY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COULD ADDRESS THAT.

WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS IF ALL OF THESE VOTERS -- I MEAN VOTING LOCATION CAN HANDLE THE SECOND WEEK OF EARLY VOTING FROM 7 TO 7, THE QUESTION IS, CAN THEY HANDLE THE VOTE FROM 7 TO 7. I KNOW YOUR ISSUE IS THE ACTUAL

PEOPLE -- >> NO, NO, I SAID THE LOCATIONS BECAUSE WE ARE GUESTS. I DID SAY "LOCATIONS." WHEN WE APPROACHED THEM TO USE THE LOCATIONS, IT IS 8:00 TO 5:00 BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE APPROACHED IT WITH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.

>> TRUE, BUT NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE PAST.

SO WE ARE JUST GOING ON THE -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE SAME

SCHEDULE -- >> ALWAYS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MANY YEARS -- HOW MANY YEARS -- THIS

IS WHY I WANTED TO WAIT. >> STATE LAW.

FOR INSTANCE, DEPENDS ON THE ELECTION, RIGHT.

THE CONSTITUTIONAL SOMETIMES THE LAST TWO DAYS -- NOT CONSISTENT.

AND THAT IS STATE LAW. >>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS ASKING

HAVE WE USED 8 TO 5. >>THE FIRST WEEK.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR HOW LONG.

>> SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE AND EVEN BEFORE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A CONSISTENT PATTERN THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE HAD YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE HERE EARLIER.

WE TRIED TO GET THE DELAY. WE ALL WANTED TO GO LONGER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I AM WITH COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

IF THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT AND HARD TO GO BACK AND COORDINATE AND GO TO 65 DIFFERENT PLACES AND --

>> EARLY VOTING. >>JUDGE CANALES: ONLY EARLY VOTING, BRENT. JUST THESE.

THE SAME ONES -- >> WELL, 23 AND ALSO -- THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAD -- THAT I HAD ON THE ACTUAL VOTING LOCATIONS WAS -- WE LOOKED AT YOUR MAP AND YOU AND I LOOKED AT IT TOGETHER AND A MAP THAT KIND OF SHOWS EVERYTHING.

THE ONLY LOCATION -- I WANTED TO ASK IF YOU CONSIDERED IT WAS MILLER HIGH SCHOOL. ALWAYS COMES UP --

>> IT IS THERE. >>JUDGE CANALES: IS MILLER THERE? I DIDN'T SEE IT.

>> TALKING ELECTION DAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: EARLY.

CALL IT THE NORTHERN WEST -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IT IS

THERE. >> WE ARE TALKING OF EARLY VOTING. I WANTED TO TRY TO FIGURE.

I DID MY OWN LITTLE MAP TRY TO FIGURE OUT ANY GAPS.

CAN WE ADD MILLER IN THERE FOR THAT NORTHERN AREA.

>> FOR EARLY VOTING? >>JUDGE CANALES: EARLY VOTING.

>> FOR ELECTION DAY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE -- AGAIN TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF ELECTION DAY ABOUT LOCATIONS.

ONE THING WE TRIED TO DO WAS GET AWAY FROM THE SCHOOLS, RIGHT.

AND THERE ARE SOME SCHOOLS WHERE -- IT IS NOT A GOOD LOCATION.

IT IS NOT EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE STUDENTS AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THE STUDENTS FOR SAFETY REASONS.

MILLER HIGH -- ELECTION DAY I CAN SEE FOR SECURITY, BUT TWO

WEEKS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HEAR YOU.

I WISH -- I DON'T SEE -- I AM GOING THROUGH THEM AGAIN.

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BECAUSE, REMEMBER, THESE ARE ALL.

WE HAVEN'T MEMORIZED THESE. BUT I DON'T SEE -- HAVE OVIEDO

HERE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM TALKING EARLY. I AM TRYING TO FIND THE EQUITY FOR THE SPOTS THAT WE NORMALLY DO FOR WHAT WE CAUSE THE NORTH SIDE. AND THAT IS THE ONE I AM STRUGGLING WITH THAT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE.

AND I WISH -- AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A GAP.

AND JUST SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, ONCE YOU STARE AT IT, STARE AT IT, AM I CHECK IT TWICE, THREE TIMES.

I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THE SCHOOL, BUT I REALLY NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN WE HAVE THAT NORTH SIDE COVERED.

AND WE DON'T HAVE OVIEL AND MILLER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GREENWOOD AND DEL MAR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GREENWOOD WOULD NOT BE THE NORTH.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY

IS ALL I AM LOOKING AT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU IS, I AM LOOKING AT A CERTAIN AREA WHERE -- WHERE DO THEY GO THAT IS -- THAT IS EASY.

THAT THEY KIND OF -- OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO GO TO THE PLACES HISTORICAL AND COMFORTABLE WITH. WHETHER THEY ARE PERMANENT

VOTING. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: BECAUSE

OF THE POPULATION TOO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT LITTLE AREA IS MISSING. THE ONLY AREA THAT I SEE KIND OF NOT ADDRESSED. GREENWOOD IS TOO FAR.

NEVER CONCERN GREENWOOD ON DEEP WEST SSIDE.

>> I AM TALKING MORE NORTHWEST. >> HOLD ON, I HAVE A COMMENT COMING IN. FIRST LET ME JUST SAY -- I WILL TAKE COMMENT ON THIS. DR. SCOTT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE. YOU HAVE TO DO IT FROM THE

PODIUM, AND THEN -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT -- BECAUSE WE ALREADY VOTED ON THIS TECHNICALLY. JUST FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THIS ITEM.

>> BEFORE HE MAKES A MOTION, PLEASE, COULD I SPEAK.

BECAUSE OVID WILLIAMS IS NEEDED AND NECESSARY A PLACE FOR IT TO BE IN A AREA YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT JUDGE, VERY MUCH SO.

>> WE ARE TALKING EARLY VOTING. EARLY VOTING.

LET ME TELL YOU, MY CAR -- WE HAVE BEEN HOUSE TO HOUSE TO PEOPLE OUT THERE TO TELL THEM ABOUT VOTING AND EARLY VOTING.

AND SAYING TO THEM, WE WILL EVEN PICK THEM UP IN CARS BECAUSE NO RTA OUT THERE TO DO THAT. AND YOU KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THIS GOING ON OVER THERE BY OVIL AND UNITY FUNERAL HOME.

THAT COMMUNITY -- THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN TURN DONE.

WILLIAMS NEEDS TO BE A EARLY AND REGULAR VOTING PLACE, PLEASE.

FULL TIME. >> I HAVE A QUESTION IF I MAY TO -- TO DR. SCOTT WHICH IS GREAT. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH -- I LIKE AS MUCH EARLY VOTING AS POSSIBLE.

I ADDED FOUR MORE LOCATIONS BECAUSE OF THAT.

BUT WE ALSO NEED PEOPLE TO WORK WHO ARE WILLING -- SO I SEE A LOT OF THE LADIES WILL COME -- I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO WORK.

I WOULD LOVE FOR THE FOLKS WHO WANT TO COME -- EARLY VOTING.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SIGN THEM UP.

>> YOU WILL WORK EARLY VOTING. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO WORK EARLY VOTING AND YOU CAN HEAD OVILLE WILLIAMS.

>> IF ORVILLE WILLIAMS. >> OPEN FOR ALL OF EARLY VOTING.

>> AGAIN -- THIS IS THE POINT, JUDGE.

I LOVE IT. I THINK THAT IS AMAZING AND WE WILL PUT YOU IN EARLY VOTING AT ORVILLE WILLIAMS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE THING IS WE CAN DO THE RECRUITING

AFTERWARDS. >> YOU WANTS TO ADD A PLACE, BUT

WE DON'T HAVE LOCATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: TIME OUT.

WE NEED TO REOPEN TO -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL I

WAS TRYING TO DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE BLACK COMMUNITY NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE PEOPLE ON THAT NORTH SIDE OF TOWN IS OPEN.

>> AND AVAILABLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND AVAILABLE

AND TRANSPORTATION IS AN ISSUE. >> IT IS AN ISSUE AND WE ARE TAKING OUR OWN CARS TO PICK UP THE PEOPLE TO TAKE THEM TO THE POLLS TO VOTE AND TAKE THEM BACK HOME.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IF IT IS BETTER THAN MILLER FOR THE SECURITY ISSUES, THEN OVILLE IS A GOOD SPOT.

MY PURPOSE OF BRING IT UP IS THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THE GAP AND

ONLINE AND NAACP. >> IT IS FAMILIAR AND MILLER IS ALSO. THEY BOTH -- BOTH AREAS.

OVILLE IS TOTALLY OFF OF IT. >> OVILLE IS ELECTION DAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SHE IS SAYING OUR PEOPLE WANT TO VOTE EARLY TOO JUST LIKE THE SOUTHSIDE UNLIMITED.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THIS SO WE CAN

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HAVE A DISCUSSION. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE DID NOT

VOTED OF ADDING A LOCATION. >> NO DISCUSSION OF ADD IT.

JUST ADD IT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN -- YOU SAID PEOPLE WILL VOTE THERE. THEY WILL VOTE THERE.

AND WE WILL GET OTHERS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DR.

SCOTT. >> MR. CHESNEY, YOU WANT EVERYTHING TO BE GOING YOUR WAY ALL THE TIME.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT IT ADDED.

>> WHY DON'T YOU SHUT UP. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE WANT TO GET IT ADDED, DR. SCOTT, INSTEAD OF BEING CRITICAL.

WE ARE TOO IG TO GET IT ADDED, DR. SCOTT, DESPITE YOUR ANGER

ABOUT IT. >> I AM NOT ANGRY.

YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ME ANGRY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO WE

CAN CHANGE THE LOCATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AT SOME POINT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HOLD ON, COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOLD ANYBODY ACCOUNTABLE.

IF SOMEBODY DID THAT TO, YOU WOULD SCREAM AT HEM.

>> THIS IS PROPOSED. >>JUDGE CANALES: KARA, WILL YOU CHECK WITH EMMA. I THOUGHT WHAT WE VOTED ON WAS SIMPLY THE HOURS. JUST THE HOURS IS WHAT WE DID THIS MORNING. WE DIDN'T TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE.

JUST THE HOURS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY MOTION IS TO ADD OVILLE WILLIAMS DESPITE HER YELLING AT ME.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL WE SAID OUR INTENTION WAS TO MAKE THOSE HOURS. IT CAME UP -- WE THINK IT MAKES COMMON SENSE. WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS, LOOK, IF YOU NEED MORE WORKERS FOR THOSE HOURS, LET THE COURT VOTE ON THE HOURS. I AM HEARING YOU SAY THAT IT IS A STRESS ON YOU TO GET WORKERS. HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT BETTER FOR

YOU? >> WELL, LET ME RECRUIT DURING

COURT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I CAN'T DO THAT BUT YOU CAN RECRUIT WHILE I TAKE MY BATHROOM BREAK.

I WILL TAKE YOU RECRUIT DURING THE BATHROOM BREAK.

>> NOT ABOUT STRESS -- THIS IS MY JOB.

SO, PLEASE, NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY KIND OF THAT ANY OF US HAVE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU ARE USED TO IT.

>> I AM USED TO IT. WE LOVE HAVING MORE POLLING LOCATIONS. IF WE CAN GET THE WORKERS EVEN MORE AMAZING. I WOULD LIKE TO RECONSIDER AND LIKE WE DISCUSSED JUDGE THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS LEAVE IT OPEN.

WE APPROVED THESE LOCATIONS. AND IN ADDITION TO OVILLE WILLIAMS THAT THE COUNTY COURT CAN ADD THEM, ADD MORE IF WE NEED THEM AND COME BACK AND RATIFY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE THINK THAT THE PROPOSED EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS -- AND I WILL TAKE THE ADDITION -- THE ADDITIONAL OVILLE WILLIAMS AS AN EARLY VOTING.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT HAPPENED TO MILLER OR DRISCOL.

>> YES JUST DISCUSS THAT FOR EARLY VOTING.

MILLER, IT'S ABOUT THE SAFETY. AND HAVING A RESOURCE OFFICER ALL TWO WEEKS. NOW THAT COULD HAPPEN.

BUT I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT

DISCUSSION WITH CCI. >>JUDGE CANALES: WILL YOU BE WILLING TO BRING IT BACK SEPTEMBER 7 FOR MILLER OR

DRISCOL. >>JUDGE CANALES: DID YOU SAY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MILLER OR DRISCOL.

>> INSTEAD OF OVILLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO, THIS IS IT

DIFFERENT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THIS IS TO COME UP WITH THE WEST, NORTH AREA WHERE MILLER OR DRISCOL WOULD COVER. EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, SO I AM HEARING TWO THINGS.

I WILL TAKE THE MOTION TO ADD OVILLE WILLIAMS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: >>JUDGE CANALES: TO APPROVE THE

ONE THERE IS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT

WOULD BE MY MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: COME RIGHT TO YOU. THERE IS A SECOND.

AND NOW WE WILL DO DISCUSSION. SO THE WAY -- JUST TO REPEAT, THE PROPOSED EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS WILL BE APPROVED PLUS OVILLE WILLIAMS AND THE CLERK HAS -- SHE WILL CONSIDER PERHAPS LOOKING AT COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ'S SUGGESTION OF --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DRISCOL OR MILLER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DRISCOL JUNIOR HIGH -- I STILL CALL IT JUNIOR HIGH. MIDDLE SCHOOL OR -- SHE WILL BRING THAT BACK NEXT WEEK WHEN WE ARE HERE NEXT, SEPTEMBER #.

NOW MISS BAKER, GO AHEAD AND GIVE US YOUR COMMENT OR ADD TO

THE DISCUSSION. >> A I POLL GEESE.

I -- APOLOGIES.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OVILLE WILLIAMS, IT WAS ONLY OPEN FOR ELECTION DAY AND THEY HAD 25 VO VOTERS FINDING SOMEONE TO WORK IT.

GATHERING THOSE INDIVIDUALS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PARTY DO ONE A MONTH. TO FIND DISCUSSION WITH JOEL.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS NOT THE PARTY --

>> I AM TALKING TO THE JUDGE. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THERE HAS GOT TO BE A DECORUM. YOU HAVE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM YELLING AT US. I CAN'T EVEN HEAR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: BARBIE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

>> JOE MUNFORD IS THE ONE THAT COORDINATES WITH OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR MYSELF. HE DID SO FOR KORETTA AND THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATION. HE IS COORDINATING WITH US.

FOR A DISCUSSION OF GETTING WORKERS FOR JUDGES AND ALTERNATE JUDGES FOR EACH LOCATION, THERE IS AN ISSUE FINDING ENOUGH WORKERS FOR THE LOCATION THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. >> THERE ARE.

>> I WANTED TO ADD THAT. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WEB TO HELP GET ADDITIONAL WORKERS MULTIFAMILY ONE OTHER PERSON.

CONNIE, LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY CAN UNMUTE.

I NEED TO KNOW THEIR NAME. >> I WAS TOLD JEREMY.

>> JEREMY COLEMAN. MR. COLEMAN.

YOU ARE READY TO PROVIDE YOUR COMMENT.

THERE YOU ARE. >> I AM HOPING YOU ALL CAN HEAR ME OKAY. I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS DISCUSSION ON THIS VOTING FOR EARLY VOTING SPECIFICALLY.

AND EVERYONE ON THAT DAIS AND IN THE AUDIENCE SHOULD KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO NORTH SIDE AND HILL CREST ALREADY.

THERE ARE STILL RESIDENTS OUT THERE AND SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A DISCUSSION GOING FURTHER. AND THE COMMISSIONER -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS CHESNEY OR JUDGE CANALES OR WHATEVER PUTS FORTH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR OVILLE WILLIAMS TO BE BACK ON THERE.

BUT IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE ON THERE UNTIL THERE ARE NO MORE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, INCLUDING ANY OTHER LOCATIONS, EVEN IF IT IS BROOKS CHAPEL. UNDERSTAND ADA COMPLIANCE AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT HISTORIC SIDE OF TOWN, THE NORTH SIDE, WE NEED TO GET -- ENSURE THAT IT IS AN EARLY VOTING LOCATION AND IT CONTINUES THAT WAY. AND IN MY OPINION, THE DISCUSSION AS FAR AS WORKERS ARE CONCERNED, THAT IS A PART OF ALL OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO ENSURE THAT WE GET WORKERS THERE TO VOTE. SO I -- I REALLY HOPE AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ALL ARE GOING THAT DIRECTION AS IT RELATES TO EARLY VOTING THAT YOU NOT ONLY PLACE OVILLE WILLIAMS BUT OTHER AREAS ON THE NORTH AND WEST SIDE FOR US -- FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AS THE COURT TO INCLUDE AS A VOTING LOCATION.

THE COURT NEEDS TO DO IT AND DIRECT THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE

TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> WE JUST DID.

>> ONE THING WITH WORKERS AS WELL, YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, THE PARTIES PROVIDE ELECTION DAY PRESIDING JUDGES TO YOU ALL.

BUT THEY PROVIDE THE LEST TO ME FOR EARLY VOTING WORKERS WHICH CAN RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT. AND WE DO, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PARTIES. KEEP THAT IN MIND.

WHEN I GET A LEST AND THEY CAN'T FIND PEOPLE TO WORK, YOU ARE RIGHT. THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR ALL OF US.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF -- I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. A LOT INVOLVED.

IT IS NOT. AND THEN IT IS A BIG COMMITMENT FOR EARLY VOTING. A BIG COMMITMENT.

SO. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS.

AND IT IS WORTH IT, RIGHT. >> I AGREE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADDING OVILLE WILLIAMS TO THE EARLY PROPOSED -- EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS, PLEASE SIGNIFY SAYING AYE. 1-24 OVILLE WILLIAMS AS NUMBER 25. AND THEN KARA, YOU WILL BRING BACK NEXT TIME THERE IS A MOTION -- NOT A MOTION BUT JUST A DIRECTIVE ON NEXT TIME ABOUT MILLER OR -- COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ'S REQUEST. YOU WILL LOOK INTO IT.

OKAY. EITHER DRISCOL MIDDLE SCHOOL OR MILLER DEPENDING ON THE -- ON THE INQUIRIES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO -- I WOULD AT LEAST LET HER GO BACK AND TALK TO ALL THESE PEOPLE TO WORKED SO HARD ON THIS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS ON THE TIMING AND

LOCATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON THE 8 TO 5.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE ARE CIRCUMVENTING --

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I CAN RESCIND MY MOTION FROM THE 8 TO

5. >>JUDGE CANALES: CAN YOU VET IT, KARA FOR US. AFTER TALKING TO BARBIE AND RENEE. SINCE THEY ARE THE ONES RECRUITING THOSE ELECTION WORKERS --

>> FOR THE NEW LOCATION, YES. THE NEW LOCATION.

WE ARE TALKING OF THE TIMING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BECAUSE

EXTRA TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: TALK ABOUT THE

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TIMING. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WILL RESCIND MY MOTION NOT TO GO TO 8 TO 5:00.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU MEAN 7 TO 7.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AM JUST SAYING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORKING PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT BE CONFUSED -- AGAIN, I KNOW WE DID IT BEFORE, BUT ACCORDING TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT AND ACCORDING TO THE COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS, ALL WERE INTERESTED, IF IT IS POSSIBLE, TO GO BOTH WEEKS LONGER.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE IS A LOT TO CONSIDER.

LOCATIONS, WORKERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: CHUCK CHECK IT OUT. DO WE HAVE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 7 TO

CHECK IT OUT. >> WE HAVE WE POST IT AND PUBLISH IT. IT IS TIME.

AND WE ARE EARLY BRINGING THESE LOCATIONS.

WE NORMALLY DON'T BRING THEM UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

I AM JUST TRYING. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE GOOD NEWS

YOU HAVE YOUR LOCATIONS. >> WE DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY WE DON'T PUT THE LOCATIONS ON, RIGHT, OR THE TIMES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK YOU HAVE GOOD ONES.

I THINK WE MAY HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL.

IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE 7TH TO PUBLISH.

GOOD NEWS YOU HAVE 25 LOCATIONS FOR EARLY VOTING.

AND HIS IS AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST FOR NEXT TIME, YOU JUST SAID YOU COULD ADD IT. JUST THAT ONE.

>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TIMES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUNG, I WOULD MAKE IS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THAT 8 TO 5 THING, SO SHE CAN GO BACK AND TALK TO ALL

THE PARTIES. >>JUDGE CANALES: TO SEE IF THEY

CAN GO TO 7 TO 7. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WITHOUT

MANDATING IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: BACK TO THE 7TH

OF SEPTEMBER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY MOTION TO BRING IT BACK ON THE 7TH TO GO TALK TO EVERYBODY AND

SEE IF IT CAN BE DONE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: DISCUSSION, JUDGE. IF WE CAN GET A BREAKDOWN ON PRECINCT LOCATIONS. YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF LOCATIONS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I BELIEVE AND SUPPORT THAT IT SHOWS OUR COMMITMENT EVEN TO THE SMALLEST OF COMMUNITIES.

AND MY CONCERN -- JUST -- EARLY VOTING.

NOT A CRITICISM, BUT, WE ONLY SHOW FOUR -- WHAT I WAS ABLE TO COUNT -- PRECINCT 3 LOCATIONS. AND PRECINCT 3 COVERS BIG AREA, YOU KNOW LIKE ALL THE PRECINCTS AND REALLY STRETCHES.

THANKFULLY WE HAVE -- HERE WE GO.

CONFIRMS MY NUMBERS. FOUR.

LOCATIONS IN PRECINCT 3. SO I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE END.

AND I APPRECIATE CLERK SANDS FOR HELPING US WITH THIS.

WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING THE END OF LAST WEEK -- I FORGOT WHICH DAY, BUT IN THIS WORK, YOU CAN SEE OTHER LOCATIONS.

ALL ABOUT BALANCING OUT ADA, AVAILABILITY, WILLINGNESS.

I KNOW LOCATIONS AREN'T AS WILLING AS THEY USED TO BE TO USE. SCHOOL SAFETY.

IF WE WANT TO USE A SCHOOL. ALL THAT.

THOSE HAVE PRETTY MUCH BEEN ELIMINATED FOR ALL OF THE EARLY VOTING. IF YOU CAN FIND OTHER SPOTS.

MY CONCERN IS LYNNDALE, WHERE I DO A LOT OF MY EARLY VOTING AND NOT HERE ON THE EARLY -- THAT I AM FINE WITH.

BUT EVEN ON ELECTION DAY. I WILL TELL YOU I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE THE CITY HAS -- I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO GET INTO THAT ISSUE BUT THE CITY HAS WAY PAST DUE ON FIXING, SWATNER DRIVE.

NOT A CRITICISM. BUT THE LYNN DALE AREA HAD A LOT OF DIFFICULTY BEING ABLE TO BE ACCESS ONE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE OTHER. I WORRY THE EFFECTIVENESS.

IS RAY HIGH SCHOOL AVAILABLE IS. APPEAR SITE IN AND AROUND THE DOCTOR'S REGIONAL AREA. THEY HAVE SEVERAL OFFICES THERE ON THE HOSPITAL, AUXILIARY. AND PEOPLE MAY WANT TO GO TO LYNN DALE. A HORRIBLE MUDDY MESS.

HIS OR HER REASONABLE. THAT WILL BE OUR ONLY CONCERN.

PUT A LOT OF WORK FOR TO YOU DO THIS.

BUT IF YOU COORDINATE AND THINK SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THAT VICINITY THAT WE CAN UTILIZE FOR EARLY VOTING.

I EVEN DOUBLE CHECKED TO SEE. IWA.

WE USED THAT IN THE PAST. >> THEY SAID NO.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHOSE IS THAT, OVILLE WILLIAMS.

>> DID SAY RAY HIGH SCHOOL? >> MAY BE RAY, I DON'T KNOW -- I AM THINKING THAT -- LOGISTICS, SECURITY OF THAT SCHOOL

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ESPECIALLY OF ALL THE SCHOOLS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WOULD GO TO VOTE. IT WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL AT THE CAFETERIA. YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH THE FRONT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SECURITY KIOSK IN THE FRONT AND NOWHERE ELSE TO VOTE AND THEIR OWN ROAD ISSUE WITH STAPLES BEING RECONSTRUCTED SO ACCESSING THAT SCHOOL IS VERY DIFFICULT.

SO IF THERE IS SOMEWHERE THAT YOU CAN THINK OF.

I WILL KEEP THINKING WHERE ELSE. JUST ELECTION DAY.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT ABOUT. THAT IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT ALSO, FOR THE RECORD, THAT IS WHY I SENT Y'ALL THIS, TO SAY, HEY, KARA. CHECK THIS OUT.

ANOTHER PLACE. I WOULD SUGGESTED DEL MAR WHICH

IS RIGHT ACROSS. >>JUDGE CANALES: DEL MAR IS THE

MOST -- IT IS ON HERE ALREADY. >> DEL MAR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT ACROSS. I COULD HAVE CALLED THEM.

SWITCHED IT OUT AND HAVE THEM READY TO GO.

I LOVE THE OPEN DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S WHY I SEND IT TO YOU.

HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK. ANYTHING YOU WANT CHANGED, I WILL DO IT. LET ME, I WILL SWITCH THAT OUT.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: POSSIBLY FOR EARLY VOTING.

GREAT TO DO EARLY VOTE, BUT DEFINITELY ELECTION DAY.

I WOULDN'T THINK IT IS -- >> WHAT IS NOT PRACTICAL?

>>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: EARLY VOTING.

THAT ROAD IS HORRIBLE. >> EARLY VOTING.

KEEP IN MIND THAT AREA -- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE USE THE SAME EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

UNLESS WE CAN ADD. AND WE DID ADD.

WE LOOKED AT NEW LIFE, WE COULDN'T USE IT.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THE PROBLEM IS AND I DON'T THINK WHAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING. YES, YOU MAY BE USING THE SAME LOCATIONS, BUT THEY ARE NOT INCLUDING THE REDISTRICTING THAT WE TOOK PLACE IN NOVEMBER. SO THAT HAS KIND OF CHANGED SOME

OF THE LOCATIONS. >> BUT YOU CAN VOTE ANYWHERE.

>> PEOPLE STILL WANT TO VOTE CLOSE TO HOME AND WHERE THEY ARE

FROM. >> RIGHT.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THAT IS THE SAME ARGUMENT SAYING OVILLE

WILLIAMS COULD VOTE ANYWHERE. >> THE LOCATIONS, WE WILL LOOK FOR EARLY VOTING BUT WHERE THE REDISTRICTING CHANGED A BIT, BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T -- I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN

BY THAT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: YOU TRY TO DO THE CLOSEST YOU CAN. AND USUALLY THAT IS WHAT HELPS.

I MEAN IF -- IF CASE, THEN -- WE JUST TRY TO

CENTRALIZE THEM THE BEST WE CAN. >> THAT IS WHAT WE TRY TO DO.

WE TRY. CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL -- THE OLD CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL. THAT IS A NEW LOCATION.

WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: WE HAVE THE EARLY VOTING BREAKDOWN. WE DON'T HAVE THE ELECTION DAY

BREAKDOWN. >> WE WILL ONCE WITH A HE GET TO THAT. DIFFERENT THE WAY WE DETERMINE THE LAW. EARLY VOTING AND ELECTION DAY.

EARLY ROLE IS SOMETHING DETERMINED THAT YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLE -- DOUBLE IN ONE COMMISSIONER'S PRECINCT THAN THE OTHER. WE ARE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

I AGREE. WE ARE RIGHT THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: ONE OF THOSE -- TWO OF THE FOUR YOU HAVE IN MY PRECINCT, LITERALLY IF YOU THROW A ROCK ACROSS THE STREET YOU ARE IN ANOTHER PRECINCT.

THEY ARE TECHNICALLY IN MY PRECINCT.

SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM BEING GREAT LOCATIONS FOR VOTING CENTERS, BECAUSE THE LOCATIONS -- NOT CRITICISM OF YOU.

THESE HAVE BEEN SITES ONGOING. AS WE REDUCED OUR NUMBERS OVER THE YEARS, COMPLICATES ACCESS TO VOTERS IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTY. NOT ON YOU, BUT I AM JUST SAYING. BECAUSE THAT IS ON US NOW.

LET'S TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION TO ADD MORE OR MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE

A LITTLE CENTRALIZED. >> FOR ELECTION DAY OR EARLY

VOTING. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: IF WE CAN DO EARLY VOTING, GREAT. FOR VOTING.

>> IF HE CAN SWITCH THAT OVER. KEEP IN MIND ANOTHER THING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ARE THE VOTERS AND HOW THEY VOTE.

A LOT OF THESE AREAS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OVER THE YEARS AS THEY GET OLDER, THEY ARE -- THEY ARE MALE VOTERS.

AND SUPERMAJORITY OF THEM -- MAIL VOTER, AND A SUPERMAJORITY OF THEM VOTE BY MAIL. WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT THAT

IT IS MAIL VOTERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: LIKE ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, EVERYTHING CAN CHANGE.

THAT IS THE HARD PART. IT IS SO HARD TO PREDICT.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO SHOW UP TO VOTE FOREVER. RIGHT.

IN DROVES. WE ARE STILL WAITING.

BUT THIS COULD BE THE YEAR. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW, RIGHT.

BY HEAR YOU. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE GOT HERE -- JUST TO CLARIFY -- IS THAT THERE IS A MOTION TO GO BACK TO 8 TO 5 ONLY IN SO FAR WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COLLECT DATA,

BRING IT BACK ON SEPTEMBER 7. >> YES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHAT I AM GOING TO CALL THE VOTE ON.

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AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OKAY. WE WILL CATCH YOU BACK UP WITH MORE DATA ON SEPTEMBER 7. BUT YOU HAVE EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS INCLUDING OVILLE AND TO CHECK ON THESE THINGS THAT THESE GUYS HAVE ASKED YOU TOO. NOW IF YOU ALL -- THIS IS NOT A LONG BREAK. I PROMISE YOU.

GOING TO MY OFFICE AND BEING BACK IN FIVE MINUTES.

I WOULD LIKE TO GAVEL OUT FOR THE BATHROOM FOR THE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHO HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE FOUR HOURS.

WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK ON. JUST CALL IT -- PLEASE GET BACK HERE AS SOON AS. BATHROOM BREAK AND COME BACK IN.

OFF THE RECORD FOR A

>>JUDGE CANALES: GO BACK ON THE RECORD.

GAVEL US BACK IN. GO TO KARA'S SECOND ONE AND THEN FINISH UP. THE APPROVAL OF ELECTION DAY VOTE CENTERS ARE THE ONES WE HAVE -- THAT ARE THE BIG SHEET.

WHAT I AM CALLING SHEET ONE, TWO AND THREE.

AND PLEASE NOTICE THAT KARA HAS ALREADY DONE THE HARD WORK OF STARRING THE ONES THAT AREN'T NEW AND I WILL READ THOSE OWL, CAROL HIGH SCHOOL, CHURCH UNLIMITED MAIN, CHURCH UNLIMITED ROD. DEL MAR COLLEGE.

THE OSO CREEK CAMPUS. NORTHWEST SENIOR CENTER THAT I CALL IT WET GUTH PARK. NEW LOCATIONS.

65 IN TOTAL. AND I THINK BASED ON WHAT COMMISSIONER MAREZ SAID, WE COULD APPROVE THESE AND BRING BACK THE ONES THAT YOU ARE -- THAT YOU HAVE SUGGESTED SHE INQUIRY. OTHER THAN MAYBE THE LYNNDALE BE TAKEN OFF. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, COMMISSIONER MAREZ. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO?

>>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: I WORRY THAT WE ARE CREATURE OF HABITS.

AND I THINK EVEN -- MY POINT WAS -- ON THE VOTING CENTERS, WHICH I THINK ARE GREAT, THAT WE STILL -- FROM THAT COMMUNITY I ALWAYS GONE THERE. BUT I WORRY ABOUT THAT CONSTRUCTION. WE LOOK AT MAYBE REPLACING IT WITH RAY, THAT WILL BE GREAT OR DEL MAR.

THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK FOR TO YOU DO.

THE ELECTION DAY -- THE REPLACEMENT CENTERS LOOK PRETTY SIMILAR IN HOW MANY WE HAVE AT EACH PRECINCT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT FOR CLARITY AND CONVENIENCE TO SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE LYNNDALE WITH DEL MAR BUILDING SUBJECT TO YOUR CONFIRMATION?

>> JUST APPROVE THEM AND GIVE ME AUTHORITIES OF ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE, I WILL MAKE THEM AND BRING THEM BACK TO YOU.

FOR THE RECORD -- THANK YOU, JUDGE.

FOR THE RECORD THE LADY THAT WERE IN THE BACK, NONE OF THEM

WANT TO WORK. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER COMMITMENTS. FOR ME.

>> JUST A FYI. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE HAPPY

TO HELP YOU RECRUIT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: PRESIDING JUDGE -- THAT MAY BE YOUR INFORMATION.

DOES IT MATTER HOW MUCH THE PERCENTAGE HAS TO BE.

THE FIRST THREE PRECINCTS ARE IN THE 50S, THE 40S AND A HUGE FLIP IN PRECINCT 4. FOR ELIGIBILITY.

>> NO, THAT IS HOW THEY VOTED. FOR GOVERNOR.

THAT THE PERCENTAGE. INTERESTING BECAUSE IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN BY THOSE -- BY THE PRECINCT, THERE WAS MORE -- BUT -- PERCENTAGE-WISE FOR DEMOCRATS, BUT AS A WHOLE, THE COUNTY VOTED MORE REPUBLICAN, RIGHT.

SO -- YEAH, THAT -- >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: WAS BASED

ON THE GOVERNOR'S RACE. >> TO MAKE SURE -- FOR INSTANCE, PRECINCT 1, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE JUDGES NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, 56%. THAT IS HOW WE BREAK THAT DOWN.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: NO CHANCE OF COMMISSIONER CHESNEY FLIPPING

PARTIES ANY TIME SOON. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS

A FAIR STATEMENT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: HE

MIGHT. >>JUDGE CANALES: GONZALEZ SAID HE MIGHT. NEVER KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THANK YOU NOR THE CLARIFICATION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MR. MAREZ, WILL YOU MAKE THE MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LIST WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT WE GIVE MISS SANDS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE OUT A LOCATION BASED ON AVAILABILITY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AND DIRECTING HER TO FIND OUT IF RAY HIGH

SCHOOL OR ECO DEVO IS. >> WE WILL TALK TO THE CITY.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE AT THAT TIME.

MAYBE ROADS ARE FIXED. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I TELL YOU. I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT

HAS BEEN A LONG TIME. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I I

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THINK YOU MAY HAVE VOTED ON SOMETHING WHEN I WENT TO THE BATHROOM. CAN I ADD AN AYE.

>> WE ARE ON ELECTION DAY. >> HE VOTED -- ON ADDING AN AYE TO THAT VOTE PRIOR TO THE BATHROOM BREAK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THAT -- WHO DID THE SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DID. >>JUDGE CANALES: GONZALEZ.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. LET US KNOW BY SEPTEMBER 7 SO WE CAN GET THAT GOING. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ON THERE. ALL RIGHT, NOW I AM GOING TO GO BACK INTO THE -- I AM GOING TO ADVANCE ONE, BECAUSE SOME LADY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO, I KNOW,

[14. Discuss and consider use of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) to fund Friends of Bayview Cemetery.]

GET ON WITH THEIR DAY. WITH YOUR INDULGENCE, ITEM NUMBER 14. WE HAVE KATHY WIMER FROM THE NUECES COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

AN ITEM I PUT ON TO CONSIDER USING COUNTY JUDGE'S ALLOCATION FOR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT TO FUND FRIENDS OF BAY VIEW CEMETERY. AND APPEAR VERY SPECIFIC PROJECT. KATHY, WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU SO VERY, VERY MUCH FOR THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE GRANT. WE ARE VERY PLEASED.

A GREAT DEAL OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OUT THERE.

HERE IS YOUR HISTORY LESSON. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

>> OKAY, READY. THE OLD BAYVIEW CEMETERY IS THE OLDEST FEDERAL MILITARY SETTLEMENT TERRY WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. AND WE DO HAVE A NATIONAL RECOGNITION. WE HAVE A MARKER READY TO BE PLACED, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL THAT WE NEED TO DO OUT THERE.

AND IT IS A PLACE THAT WE HAVE TOURISM, WE HAVE TOURISTS THAT COME. WE DO GET CALLS WHEN -- YOU KNOW, WHEN THE GATES AREN'T OPEN.

AND WHY AREN'T THEY OPEN. SO IMMEDIATELY WE HAVE TO GET OVER THERE. WE HAVE INTERNAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT PEOPLE LIKE TO GO TO CEMETERIES.

THEY LIKE TO GO. YOU KNOW WHAT -- YOU KNOW WHAT TOURIST -- WHAT IS THE TERM THAT THE TOURISM, HEAD AND BED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: FOR EVERY HEAD THERE IS A BED.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY COME AND STAY IN YOUR HOTELS.

THEY EAT IN YOUR RESTAURANTS. >> FABULOUS.

WE NEED THEM HERE. WE LOVE OUR HISTORY.

WE LOVE IT. BIG VOICES COME UP NOVEMBER 5.

HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE THE VETERAN THINGS WE NEED TO WORK ON TO MAKE IT ADA COMPLIANT. THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE.

WE NEED LIGHTING OVER THERE. IT IS -- DID DR. SCOTT LEAVE.

WE ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. WE ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

SHE GOES BY IT EVERY DAY. OLD BAY VIEW CEMETERY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST SO THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW, I FORGOT BIN THE ADA, I WANT TO ALLOCATE $100,000 FOR THIS PROJECT.

BUT BECAUSE THAT WAY IT WILL HELP GET THE ADA.

WE WERE GOING TO DO THE 75,000. BUT FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE ADA.

AGAIN, THE HOPE IS HERE THAT THE $100,000 WILL BE USED BOTH FOR THE UPGRADES AND FRIENDS OF BAYVIEW CEMETERY ARE 501-C-3.

>> YES, WE ARE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM REALLY CHECKING THE BOX THERE BECAUSE WE NEED TO LISTEN TO -- SO THE REAL FANCY -- AS THEY SAY THE REAL FANCY CONSULTANTS THAT THE CITY HIRED DID A BANG-UP JOB ON HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.

WHAT THEY SAID WAS, YOU GUY HAVE A GOLD MINE AND YOU ARE NOT UTILIZING IT. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT IT IS HISTORICAL, IT IS MILITARY, BUT I REALLY WANT IT TO BE A TOURISM SAFE PLACE.

WITHOUT ADA IT CAN'T BE. AND MEETS OUR ADA KIND OF MANTRA HERE IN NUECES COUNTY. I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL RFP IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE THE SIGNAGE YOU NEED WITH THE QR CODE SO -- VOICE IS GREAT, CATHY, WHAT IF I AM THERE ON A REGULAR DAY, THAT SIGNAGE THAT THE MUSEUM QUALITY FOLKS PUT TOGETHER WITH THE QRS.

YOU PUT ONE OF THESE AND THE KIDS DID THE LITTLE BLOCK -- SO ANYWAY, THAT IS MY -- THAT IS MY WISH AND MOTION AND BEFORE I ASK FOR A SECOND. DR. SCOTT, YOU WANTED TO ADD

SOMETHING TO BAYVIEW CEMETERY. >> IT'S ACROSSES FROM, AS YOU KNOW THE HIGH SCHOOL. WHICH IS THE OLDEST HIGH SCHOOL IN CORPU S THAT HAD TO BE REDONE.

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STARTED IN THE -- TWO SHACK FOR MAKING BROOMS, THAT'S RIGHT.

AND MAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA CAME DOWN AND STARTED IT.

AND THAT OVER BAYVIEW, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS WHO ARE DEAD THERE. SOME BUFFALO SOLDIERS.

>> GEORGE OWENS. >> TWO BUFFALO SOLDIERS WHO WERE -- THE YOU KNOW THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS, I ASSUME.

SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS. AND ALSO PART OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS THAT YOU ARE HOPING -- SEE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM PROJECT ALSO HAS A MAJOR SECTION ON IT WITH THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS OLD BAYVIEW CEMETERY.

KORETTA GRAHAM COULD NOT BE HERE.

SHE IS WORK THIS MORNING. THE BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE NAACP THAT COLEMAN CALLED IN ON.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS WELCOMED TO HAVE YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT TOO. BUFFALO SOLDIERS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL MOVE RIGHT TO 13 TO GET EVERYBODY ON THEIR WAY. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING WILL BE COMPETITIVELY PROCURED.

WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS -- WITH THIS I-ZONE OR WHAT THEY CALL IT THE CURATION. IT IS VERY EXCITING.

ONCE I HEARD THE ADA, I DECIDED I NEEDED TO TAKE IT UP FROM THE $75,000 WE TALKED ABOUT. BECAUSE HONESTLY, THAT IS PARAMOUNT. WE WILL BE WORK WITH OUR CITY PARTNERS ON THIS, GUYS. THEY HAVE A SMALL DONATION OF $6,000. AND BY MAYBE WORK WITH PARKS AND REC. ONE NEVER KNOWS THEY COULD EXPAND THEIR POTENTIAL MAINTENANCE.

I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. SO I WILL ASK FOR A SECOND.

A AGAIN, MY ALLOCATION. >> SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE LOTS OF GOOD SECONDS THERE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[13. Discuss and consider use of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds to support the African American Museum Project through the Corpus Christi Black Chamber of Commerce and/or the NAACP.]

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU FOR WAITING AROUND ALL MORNING. DR. SCOTT BECAUSE YOU ARE STANDING RIGHT THERE AND ALSO HISTORY, LADIES -- KATHY, IF YOU WILL STAY AS WELL. NOT NECESSARILY BAYVIEW AND COULD -- ON THE LINE WE HAVE -- ITEM NUMBER 13 IS VERY SIMILAR.

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER USING THE COUNTY JUDGE'S AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT MONIES FOR THE MUSEUM -- THE LITTLES HOUSE.

TWO PROJECTS HERE. >> THE NAACP WAS THE LITTLES

MARTIN HOUSE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE SECOND IS

THE BLACK CHAMBER. >> THE BLACK CHAMBER.

FOR THE NAACP. THEY ARE ALL SUPPORTING THE AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM PROJECT. KORETTA GRAHAM, AS YOU KNOW HAS A -- A LAWYER HERE IN CORPUS COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, OF COURSE, BUT WE HAD A WHOLE MEETING DURING BLACK HISTORY MONTH OVER -- DOWN IN THE AREA. AND WE INCLUDED THE -- THE OLD BAYVIEW CEMETERY. THE PEOPLE FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS THERE TO SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK THE REASON JEREMY COLEMAN WAS ON THE PHONE -- CALLED IN EARLIER BEFORE HE WAS -- BECAUSE THE NAACP, ALL OF THESE GROUPS ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND OVILLE WILLIAMS IS PLACE -- VOLUNTEERS.

WE CAN GET VOLUNTEERS. EVEN PEOPLE -- THESE LADIES SAID THERE WERY THEY WOULD HELP, BUT PEOPLE OVER HERE TO DO THAT IN THAT COMMUNITY. WITH THE BRIDGE -- I WON'T EVEN MENTION THAT IS DOING TO THAT COMMUNITY OVER THERE.

THESE THINGS CANNOT BE LOST. THEY ARE A PART OF CORPUS CHRISTI'S HISTORIES. AND OLD SALMAN OVER.

AND WE TAKE STUDENTS OVER THERE TO TELL THEM AND SHOW THEM ABOUT THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS AND THE OTHER SOLDIERS AND OLD BAYVIEW MUSEUM. THE AREA, THE HISTORY TEACHERS AND MR. MARTINEZ WHO IS IN THE HISTORY AREA AND THE SOCIAL SCIENCES AREA. WE TAKE STUDENTS OVER THERE.

SOMETIMES THEY HAVE LUNCH -- THEY TAKE THEIR LUNCH OVER

THERE. >> THAT IS WHAT WE USED TO DO.

>> THAT'S RIGHT TO DO THAT AND SALMAN SCHOOL THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA AT THIS MOMENT. WE HAD TO RE-CREATE THAT.

AND JUDGE HAYDEN HEADS HAD THE VERDICT THAT SOLOMON CAN NEVER BE CLOSED FOR ANY REASON WHAT OVER SORE ANY PURPOSE WHATSOEVER. AND RULING -- THAT WHOLE AREA.

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THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING AND WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY EARLIER ABOUT OVILLE WILLIAMS. PUT A SIGN -- UP STAPLE STREET ALL THE WAY. A SIGN THAT POINTS IN THAT DIRECTION. IN THIS IS OVILLE WILLIAMS. THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI WITH MAYOR GUARDO AND THEM TO -- TO DO. AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO DO THAT WHOLE AREA. NOT TO LOSE IT AS A PART OF THE

HISTORY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT.

SO COMMISSIONERS, AFTER HAVING THAT GREAT MEET WITH THE NAACP AND THE CORPUS CHRISTI BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, LET ME EXPLAIN HOW THIS AGENDA ITEM IS. LET ME TAKE IT SEPARATELY.

ON THE LITTLES MARTIN HOUSE, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI GAVE FOR COMPLETE REMODELING $#00,000. THE HOUSE -- THE HERITAGE -- YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE WILL BE DONE IN ESSENCE BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO APPROPRIATE $100,000. WITH THE $100,000 AGAIN MUCH LIKE THE HERS TO CAL COMMISSION, THEY WILL HAVE TO RFP GETTING THE MUSEUM AND ALL THE GRAPHICS AND ALL THE THINGS QUITE FRANKLY THEY HAVE OBJECTS BUT WITHOUT THE MUSEUM, YOU KNOW, CURATION, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO THAT -- THAT PIECE IS FOR THE LITTLE MARTIN HOUSE. SECONDLY FOUR FOR THE BLACK CHAMBER, DR. SCOTT AND KORETTA GRAHAM ARE LOOKING TO BASICALLY PRESERVE BLACK HISTORY SEPARATELY FROM THE LITTLE MARTIN HOUSE. AND THEY ASKS DISCUSSED ART.

MAKING SHOO YOU ARE THERE WAS A PLACE FOR BLACK ART IN OUR COMMUNITY. PERHAPS WHAT WE CALL INFORMATION CENTER SO THAT BLACK -- HISTORICALLY BLACK BUSINESSES CAN CONTINUE. WE HAVE LOST MORE BLACK SMALL BUSINESSES AFTER COVID-19 THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER -- THIS IS

ACCORDING TO DR. GRAHAM. >> THAT'S TRUE.

THAT'S TRUE. >> WHAT I WANTED TO DO WHILE LITTLE MARTIN'S HOUSE IS DEFINED EXTEND THE $100,000 TO THE BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I TOLD DR. GRAHAM.

BEFORE WE RFP ANYTHING, WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BRING US THE PLAN YOU LIKE TO DO SOLOMON COLES OR ANOTHER LOCATION.

SHE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD, BUT MY OPPORTUNITY TO SET ASIDE THE FUNDS. NOW THAT YOU KNOW THEY EXIST, YOU CAN MAKE THE RIGHT BUSINESS LOCATION.

>> $100,000. >> $1,000 FOR LITTLE MARTIN

$100,000. >> $200,000 TOTAL, ONE FOR EACH?

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOUR BUSINESS PLAN.

HOPEFULLY THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE AN INTEREST -- WE HAVE A SEPARATE FUN THAT IS JUST FOR NONPROFITS.

WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THESE, THESE CHECK THE BOX FOR OUR TRAVEL, TOURISM AND INDUSTRY. FOR ME MAKING CERTAIN THAT PEOPLE CAN COME TO OUR COMMUNITY AND SEE HISTORY, SEE OUR BLACK HISTORY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. AGAIN, WE WILL EXPLAIN -- ONCE WE DO THE ALLOCATION THAN A WHOLE NICE PROCESS THAT STARTS WITH MEETING WITH YOU, PROCUREMENT, MICHAEL ROBINSON IS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. WE ARE WORKING ON A TEMPLATE SO THAT ALL OF THE UPGRADES THAT -- LET'S JUST SAY TO LITTLE MARTIN'S HOUSE FOR PROPER PROCUREMENT.

IT WILL BE EXCITING BECAUSE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WORKING TOWARD BLACK HISTORY PRESERVATION.

JEREMY HAD TO GO, BUT HE -- HE IS KIND OF LEADING THAT LITTLE

MARTIN'S HOUSE EFFORT. >> HE IS, DEFINITELY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONERS, THAT IS THE PLAN.

ALWAYS WELCOME TO JUMP IN, BUT I FEEL LIKE AFTER VETTING THIS, THIS WILL REALLY, REALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE UNDERADDRESSED AMAZING HISTORY. EVEN THE LONGSHOREMAN THAT KATHY DID. YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

A LOT OF BLACK LONGSHOREMEN. THIS TIES EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

ANYWAY, JUST WANTED SHAH SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, YOU ARE THE LUCKY RECIPIENT. ALL THREE OF THESE PROJECTS ARE IN YOUR PRECINCT. DIDN'T DO THAT ON PURPOSE.

JUST HAPPENED THAT THEY ARE ALL THERE IN THAT PRECINCT.

>> THERE ARE SO. -- THE HISTORY IS SO FULL THERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SHE IS NOT ON THE MIC.

THE HISTORY IS SO RICH. THAT IS MY MOTION AND ASK FOR A

SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. DR. SCOTT, THANK YOU.

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THE WORK BEGINS. WE ARE EXCITED TO MEET WITH YOU AND WORK WITH THE DETAILS OF BOTH LITTLE MARTIN'S.

>> -- >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I GO

BY THERE EVERY DAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ -- HE SAYS HE GOES BY THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I GO THERE EVERY DAY.

>> I DO TOO GOING OVER SOLOMON COLES.

>> 12 PLUS HISTORICAL MARKERS THERE.

>> YES, WE DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU,

LADIES. >> YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO COME TO SOLOMON KOHL'S. OUR MUSEUM.

THE PRINCIPAL THERE AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, MR. CHRIS HALL.

HE IS ALSO A PASTOR OF A CITY CHURCH.

AND HE IS DOING A VERY GOOD JOB AND THE CCISD IS PREPARING THE BUILDING AND DOING THE WALLS AND DOING PAINTING AND ALL AND WE HAVE STOCKS OF THINGS OF MUSEUM. AND THE MUSEUM ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICANS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO -- TO -- BACK TO 1900 -- EARLY 1900S FROM THE SCHOOL WHEN IT WAS A TWO-ROOM BROOM SHACK. THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. HOW IT STARTED OUT.

THE TWO-ROOM BROOM SHACK THAT STARTED SOL MON KOHL'S.

THE MAN MR. COLES WHO STARTED IT AND START A TWO-ROOM FOR MEXICANS, A SCHOOL FOR THEM BECAUSE DOWNTOWN ON UPPER BROADWAY, A # 2-ROOM BRICK HIGH SCHOOL FOR WHITE CAUCASIAN STUDENTS. THERE WAS NOTHING FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDENTS OR MEXICAN STUDENTS.

AND HE -- AND -- AND THEY GOT THAT START IN TWO DIFFERENT -- YOU TWO BROOM ROOM SHACKS. A LOT OF HISTORY OVER THERE.

SO PLEASE COME VISIT US. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THANK

YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, LADIES. OKAY.

GOING BACK TO OUR AGENDA HERE. I DON'T SEE SCOTT CROSS ON LINE.

I AM GOING TO SKIP NUMBER 4 BECAUSE I THINK JENNY WANTS TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON NUMBER 5.

IS HE THERE? >> I'M HERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SCOTT, I AM SORRY.

I DON'T SEE YOUR NAME HERE. >> THIS DANG THING RENAMES ITSELF. I AM NOT A. DELA GARZA.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD THAT SCOTT -- I WAS GOING TO HAVE IDAY TEXT YOU BUT PERFECT.

I PUT ITEM 4 AS A PLACEHOLDER IF COASTAL PARKS WANTED TO MAKE DECISIONS. THEY DEFERRED FOR ANOTHER WEEK.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE, BUT THERE IS AN UPDATE THAT REALLY MEANS THERE IS ANOTHER UPDATE.

>> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THIS THURSDAY.

AND OUT OF THAT MEET WILL COME SOME FINAL DECISIONS ON THE

PILES AND THE RESTAURANT SPACE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL PUT YOU

BACK ON AGENDA ON SEPTEMBER 7. >> YES, MA'AM.

[4. Receive update on Bob Hall Pier design, construction timeline, and related matters; discuss and consider funding allocation, including certificate of obligation funds.]

>>JUDGE CANALES: DO NUMBER 7 -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COMMENT

ON NUMBER 4. >>JUDGE CANALES: WELL, HE JUST -- THAT WAS THE UPDATE FROM SCOTT.

HE IS GOING TO BRING IT BACK -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RIGHT, I WAS JUST GOING TO -- RELATED MATTERS, GOING TO BRING SOMETHING UP. NUMBER FOUR, JUDGE, ONE OF THE THINGS REGARDING THIS THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE OF ADVANTAGE WOULD BE TO HIRE -- WE MADE DECISIONS ON THIS.

I AM PART OF IT. NOT THROWING ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS. WITHOUT A BUSINESS PLAN ON THE RESTAURANT AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET ONE FOR A WHILE.

TODAY I AM REALLY CONSIDERING A MOTION TO HIRE SOME -- GET THE REDC OR SOMEBODY TO HIRE AN INDEPENDENT BUSINESS ANALYSIS TO SEE WHAT, INDEED, WOULD BE THE BEST ROUTE TO GO WITH REGARDS TO FIRST FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR, ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND LET THIS OBVIOUSLY RUN THROUGH THE PARKS BOARD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG.

BUT I REALLY THINK WE ARE -- WE ARE TALKING OF A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DECISION WE HAVE NO DATA ON.

AND, AGAIN, I AM PART OF THAT. AND I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT THIS WEEKEND AS I WAS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE PEER AND IT KIND OF STRUCK ME AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT

AND RUNNING THIS WEEKEND JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I GOT THIRD

PLACE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU GOT THIRD PLACE IN YOUR AGE GROUP. I WILL FIND YOU YOUR MEDAL.

SO, CONGRATULATIONS. SO THE OUT THERE THERE IS REALLY AND TRULY, I WANT TO BE OPEN-MINDED TO WHATEVER THE -- WHATEVER THE BEST THING IS, BUT MY -- MY FEELING RIGHT NOW IS ONE THING. AND OTHERS HAVE OTHERS.

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PARKS BOARD HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION.

I QUESTION THE NUMBERS ON THIS TOO.

I AM GOING TO ASK -- I DID LOOKING ON THAT SO YOU KNOW, TOO, JUDGE. WE SPENT $343 A FOOT TO BUILD THE PORT ARANSAS OPERATION TOWER AND SOMEHOW WE HAVE A QUOTE TO EXPAND THE FIRST FLOOR TO $1,000 A FOOT.

THAT IS A LITTLE ALARMING TO ME. I DON'T BELIEVE INFLATION HAS REALLY -- IT IS CRAZY, RIGHT. DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE.

AGAIN I AM PART OF IT. SO I AM NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG. WE NEED TO PAUSE ON THIS A LITTLE BIT AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO FIND SOMEONE THAT IS INDEPENDENT. THAT WILL GO OUT.

I DON'T KNOW NOW -- I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY LIKE WOULD GET THE RDEC TO PICK THEM AND CHAMBER -- SO THE KOCHLZ K078Z DIDN'T HAVE INPUT. MEANING INFLUENCE.

COMMISSIONERS COURT, PARKS BOARD, VENDOR, ANYBODY INVOLVED, TO BRING AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS AND BRING IT BACK TO THE PARKS BOARD AND WEIGH IN WITH REAL NUMBERS.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO GET -- WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, $1,000 A FOOT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WE FINISHED IN FEBRUARY FOR $343 A FOOT.

I WOULD NOT BELIEVE THAT WITHOUT A LOT MORE DILIGENCE ON THAT.

AND UNDERSTAND IF THEY COME BACK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHY DON'T WE BRING THIS TO THE PARKS BOARD.

BECAUSE IT IS THEIR -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OUR CALL AT THE END OF THE DAY BECAUSE WE ARE THE FUNDING MECHANISM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HERE IS MY PROBLEM.

WE DID NOT NOTICE IT -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL RELATED MATTERS. WE DID IT AS A CATCH ALL.

EVERYTHING RELATED TO BOB HALL PIER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HERE IS MY CONCERN AND I KNOW IT IS YOUR CONCERN AND SHOULD BE EVERYBODY'S CONCERN.

THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION, THE PARKS BOARD.

AND THEN WE NEED TO BUILD. WE ARE LOSING REVENUE EVERY DAY THAT WE ARE NOT WHERE HE BUILDING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW CAN YOU MAKE A DECISION BASED ON

WHAT WE GOT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NOT OUR

DECISION. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS BY THE

STATUTE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY ADVISE US AND DECIDE, JUDGE, WHETHER WE GO WITH IT OR NOT.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, HERE IS THE THING TOO, WE MADE THE DECISION, A 5-0 VOTE. I AM TRYING TO SOFTEN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO SEE THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I

DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DIDN'T

EITHER. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU DIDN'T

EITHER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY ASKED ME TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE AND I LEFT BECAUSE I HAD ANOTHER MEETING. I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ SECOND A MOTION. ARE THAT WE SET ASIDE SOME FUNDS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS BECAUSE I GUESS WE ARE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANALYSIS FOR WHAT, THOUGH?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ANALYSIS WHAT EXACTLY IS THE BEST ROUTE TO GO VERSUS FIRST FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR.

WHAT IS THE COST. WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE FIRST FLOOR VERSUS SECOND FLOOR. WHAT IS THE RENT WE WOULD CHARGE SOMEONE. A PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

REALLY LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMMITMENT THAT I HAVE NO -- I DON'T SAY THAT -- I DON'T BELIEVE THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT. AND I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRESENTATION -- AND THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH THIS TO TR TRY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DON'T YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF DELAY. HERE IS WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT. YOU MADE THE MOTION TO GET MORE SPACE. I SECONDED IT AND HELPED JOIN ON GETTING THAT FUNDED. HERE IS THE ISSUE.

WHEN YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE -- IF WE WERE BUILDING BRAND-NEW WITH NO TENANT AND YOU SAID -- LET'S GO BUILD SOMETHING AMAZING AT COASTAL PARKS, THAT WILL BE ONE THING.

BUT YOU HAVE A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION FOR AS WELL UNIN

THERE NOW. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT THE NEW SPACE. IN MY OPINION, SAME VENDOR, COMPLETELY NEW DEAL BECAUSE IT IS WAY MORE SPACE.

IT IS BRAND-NEW SPACE. IT'S -- THAT IS WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CHARGE BECAUSE CAN'T BE .

>>JUDGE CANALES: MY UNDERSTANDING, SCOTT, THAT

COASTAL PARKS NEGOTIATES. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN GIVE ALL THE ADVICE IN THE WORLD, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THE CURRENT CONTRACT

AND ANY FUTURE CONTRACTS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OF

COURSE THEY DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: OUR JOB IS TO APPROPRIATE THE DOLLARS OF THE DECISION TO REBUILD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE TAKEN A WAY MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN THAT. THAT IS DIFFERENT -- I DON'T AGREE WITH THE FACT THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THE SAY OR WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE SAY ON THE PIER AND THAT REBUILD.

I THINK THEY ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE BEEN WAY MORE INVOLVED IN THIS AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS MORE.

.GOT -- IT GOT SIDEWAYS. I HAVE TAKEN A PRETTY HARD-LINED A3R0E67 WHAT IS RIGHT, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION.

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AND I THINK THE PARKS BOARD WOULD LOVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF WHAT REALLY IS THE NEEDS OUT THERE. AND I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD WELCOME.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM NO NOT OPPOSED TO IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: KIND OF LIKE A COMPROMISE -- NO BRAINER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM WITH YOU. DON'T CAUSE DELAY.

BECAUSE WE ARE -- AND I THINK AS LONG AS YOU ARE -- AS LONG AS WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS LIKE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS, YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE INDEPENDENCE THAT YOU WANT.

BUT HERE IS THE THING, YOU HAVE GOT TO GO -- YOU GOT TO HEAR

FROM JACOBS ENGINEERING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I CAN'T

BECAUSE IT IS THE PARKS BOARD. >>JUDGE CANALES: HE CAN COME HERE AND TELL US WHAT HE TOLD THE PARKS BOARD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JOHN MICHAEL AND SCOTT HARRIS AND -- AND LEWIS HAVE BEEN REALLY WORKING WELL TOGETHER.

THEY FOUND MAYBE SOME COST CUTTING MEASURES AN DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK THEY ARE DOING WHAT -- YOU THINK THEY ARE COLLABORATING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK THEY REALLY ARE AND MAKING SOME

PROGRESS. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A 50 OR 60-YEAR BUILD THAT WE ARE DOING AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO A BAD SITUATION.

AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN IN -- THIS SHOULD BE LIKE WE SHOULD ALL BE REJOICING AND STILL THIS ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM OVER THIS -- OVER THIS SECOND FLOOR. VERSUS FIRST FLOOR.

AND I GET IT. AND I AM TRYING TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE AND SOFTEN MY APPROACH. AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TRULY INDEPENDENT.

NOT ANOTHER DESIGNER OR SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS FOR A LIVING WOMAN

WHO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SOMEBODY THAT DOES RESTAURANT EVALUATIONS.

I DON'T HAVE THAT PERSON. BECAUSE THAT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER 7.

>> I GOT AN IDEA. I GOT -- I HAVE ONE HOUR BEFORE I HAVE TO HAVE MY AGENDA POSTED FOR THURSDAY.

I CAN ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA FOR THE PARK BOARD TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT AN OUTSIDE THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT TO HELP A BUSINESS PLAN AND DERIVE WHAT IS THE BEST RETURN OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RESTAURANT. I CAN GET THAT ON THERE.

YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT HOUR AND THEY CAN HAVE ADDRESSED THAT.

NOW JACOBS IS COMING TO THE SEPTEMBER 7 COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING TO PROVIDE Y'ALL WITH THE SAME UPDATE THEY PROVIDED US WHERE WE REQUESTED SOME MORE NUMBERS, COMMISSIONER BECAUSE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SAME THINGS.

AND WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT THURSDAY.

WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT PRESENTED ON YOU ON THURSDAY AS WELL. AND THEN I CAN HELP GO OUT.

I BET WHOEVER. TO FIND SOMEBODY TO DO THAT SAME THING THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I DID WHEN WE OPENED IT ORIGINALLY.

WE HIRED A CONSULTANT THAT BRAD LOMAX -- HOW THIS IS LAID OUT AND THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS A COMPROMISE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CAN I SAY SOMETHING.

YOU GUY HAVE BEEN DOING ALL THE TALKING.

COMMISSIONER, I REMIND YOU WAY BACK THEN WHEN WE SAID THIS WILL GO FOR THE PIER. $26 MILLION.

ALL OF A SUDDEN $28 MILLION. THE BOTTOM OF THAT WAS -- THE SECOND FLOOR THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED, KICKED AROUND, WHATEVER, WAS NEVER PART OF THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT WASN'T.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DON'T THINK WE VOTED FOR THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DIDN'T.

DIDN'T HAVE A VOTE ON IT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT. I DON'T -- I WILL NEVER SUPPORT A SECOND FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

AND THEY WILL COME OUT LATER ON. BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST -- AND, AGAIN, I JUST -- I DON'T -- I THINK THE PARK BOARD, IF THEY ARE GOING TO REALLY, REALLY STAND BEHIND THIS, I THINK THEY ARE BETTER -- I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE GOING TO PAY IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG. BECAUSE IF THEY ARE GOING TO DECIDE AND WE ARE GOING TO PAY AND SOMETHING IS AROUND AND WE ARE GOING TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.

THE PARKS BOARD WILL. >>JUDGE CANALES: DEFINE THAT,

WHAT DO YOU MEAN "GO WRONG?" >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ANYTHING CAN GO WRONG. A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE SECOND TIER OF A REST RESPECT THAT COULD HAPPEN.

THERE ARE ISSUES. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE -- DEPENDS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR AND -- AND DEPENDS ON WHAT ACTIVITIES YOU WILL HAVE. AND NEVER AGAIN -- BUILT ILLEGALLY TO BEGIN WITH AND NOW WE ARE DEALING WITH IT.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET MYSELF, AGAIN, INVOLVED IN SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PAYING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, AND I REALLY DON'T SUPPORT A BAR TO BEGIN WITH, ON THE PIER.

BELONGS TO NUECES COUNTY. IF THEY SAYS IT OKAY THEY WANT TO SUPPORT A BAR, THAT IS THEIR THING.

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PARKS AND WILDLIFE, BUT I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD BE SUPPORTING A BAR IN ONE OF OUR -- ONE OF OUR PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT IS THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THIS IS HOW I FEEL.

RESTAURANT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A RESTAURANT. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A BAR.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SECOND TIER.

BECAUSE CAUSES MORE PROBLEMS. AND DEPENDS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR. SO AGAIN -- AND I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK OUT THERE AND SHOULDN'T BE TALK BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER -- REMEMBER IN THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT SAID THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER THE SECOND TIER UNTIL IT COMES BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. I JUST DON'T THINK -- I WANT TO SAY AT THIS POINT I AM NOT -- AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAYS I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO OUT THERE AND GIVE US AN EVALUATION AND ASSESSMENT OF WHAT -- WHAT IS -- WHAT CAN HAPPEN. WHAT IS SAVED, WHAT IS NOT SAVED AND LOOKING AT THE COST. $1,000.

IT IS A LOT OF MONEY. HOW CAN YOU GO FROM $300 TO $1,000 IN LESS THAN A YEAR. SO, I DON'T KNOW, I AM JUST

SAYING, THIS IS. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: -- >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I DON'T SUPPORT A SECOND FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT. LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE NOW. HURRICANES ARE GETTING STRONGER.

AND THE MONEY BEING BUILT FOR THAT GRANT MONEY WASN'T FOR THAT TO BEGIN WITH THAT MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USE.

AND MAYBE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING TODAY.

I TONIGHT SUPPORT THAT AND NEVER REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT IT OR SUPPORTING IT. AND $1,000 A FOOT, IT IS KIND OF OUTRAGEOUS. SO THAT'S WHERE -- THAT'S WHERE

I STAND, JUDGE, THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK THAT IS FAIR. LEAVE IT TO WHAT WE VOTED ON.

I WOULD LIKE AN INDEPENDENCE ANALYSIS ON THE FIRST FLOOR SPACE WHAT WE SHOULD CHARGE. WHAT IS REASONABLE.

THINGS THAT -- I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE MARKET NOT JUST RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE VENDOR BUT THE LONG-TERM MARKET.

WHAT IS THE GOOD-SIZED SPACE. LET'S KEEP THE INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS FOR NOW WITH REGARDS TO THAT.

BUT I JUST WANT SOMEBODY OTHER THAN PEOPLE THAT HAVE FEELINGS ON THIS TO GIVE ME SOME REAL NUMBERS.

WE HAD NO NUMBERS GIVEN US TO AT ALL.

I JUST WANT REAL NUMBERS. I WANT DATA AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS A TERRIBLE THING TO ASK. AND I THINK SCOTT'S IDEA IS GREAT TO PUT IT ON AND LET THE PARKS BOARD DISCUSS IT.

BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE.

WE NEED TO HAVE BACK-UP DATA HOW MUCH SPACE WE NEED ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WHAT SHOULD WE CHARGE.

IF WE END UP BUILDING. END UP BUILDING 10,000 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE I AM REALLY GOING TO CHALLENGE LEWIS ON THE NUMBERS. I WENT BACK AND GOT -- $343 BUCK AS FOOT, JUDGE, AND. NOWAY $1,000 A FOOT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET HIM COME EXPLAIN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I WILL HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT, 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GOT TO SEE IT ALL.

I HAVE ALL THE HARD COSTS AND EVERYTHING.

23 CONSTRUCTION -- I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE.

343 ALL IN WITH THE LAST LITTLE BIT ON HANSON THAT IS NOT IN THE NUMBERS. $350 ALL IN.

$1,000 A FOOT FOR CONSTRUCTION COST ONLY IS STAGGERING FOR ME.

AND IT JUST DIDN'T REGISTER UNTIL SOMEONE SAID DID YOU REALIZE YOU ARE GETTING A QUOTE OF $1,000 A FOOT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S HAVE HIM -- LET'S MOVE ON.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A MECHANISM AND SCOTT HAS A MECHA MECHANISM.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE -- I THINK I MADE A MOTION AND SECONDED THAT THE PARKS BOARD CONSIDER DOING THAT HIRING AN INDEPENDENT SOURCE.

INDEPENDENT MEANING THAT NONE OF US WILL TALK TO THIS SOURCE.

NONE OF US WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT UNTIL THIS SOURCE COMES BACK AND ASK THE QUESTIONS.

LET'S LOOK AT THAT AND THE REALISTIC NUMBER.

THAT WILL BE MY MOTION THAT WILL BE SECONDED.

[5. Discuss and consider change of effective date for the Nueces County Game Room Regulations, and related matters.]

>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

LET'S GO TO JENNY. I THINK WE WILL NEED LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION AS FAR AS TIME TABLE.

ITEM NUMBER 5, THE EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THE NUECES COUNTY GAME ROOM REGULATIONS. I THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE OCTOBER. AND I THINK THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RAISE WITH THE COURT.

>> YES. I DON'T KNOW IF KARA WANTS TO

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JUMP IN TOO. WE MET AND TALKED ABOUT -- WELL, SINCE SHE IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE MEETING HAVING THE PEOPLE APPLY IN HER OFFICE PUT SOME QUESTIONS AND PURPOSES OF IMPLEMENTING THIS. TO BRING THE EFFECTIVE DATE TO THE FIRST BUSINESS DATE IN JANUARY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: FIRST BUSINESS DAY IN JANUARY.

OKAY, ANY -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE TO BEGIN WITH TO MAKE IT AN EVEN START. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK WE ARE DELAY THIS BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE POPPING UP.

A LITTLE UNRULY OUT THERE. I GET THAT WE NEED TO DO IT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. BUT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT WE ARE BACKING OFF ON THIS.

TAKES A WHILE. NOT AN EASY THING TO PUT IN PLACE. LOGISTICS.

IF SOMEONE SECONDED IT, IF NOT, I WILL DO IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JENNY, IF ANYTHING OPENS UP OR BEATS THAT OPPORTUNITY, WE WILL WELCOME IT BUT THAT WOULD BE THE TIME FRAME. HOW DOES THAT SOUND, KARA.

>> THAT'S FINE. I THINK THEY HAVE A LOT MORE WORK TO DO AND ALL HANDS ON DECK AND RECORDS ROOM.

I AM WILLING TO HELP, BUT I CAN'T HELP AT THAT TIME.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HEAR YOU. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: OKAY

WITH JANUARY. >> SURE, WE ARE WILLING.

WE ARE WILLING TO ASSIST WHATEVER THEY NEED.

BUT IF THEY ARE DEAD SET ON THAT, DO IT.

BUT WE CAN'T HELP OUT. >> I THINK EVERY TIME IT IS TALKED ABOUT, IT NEEDS TO BE REITERATED NO POLICY PASSED BY THE COURT LEGALIZES GAMBLING IN THE COUNTY.

IT IS NOT -- JUST BECAUSE THE POLICIES HAVE PASSED, NOT GOING TO MAKE GAMBLING LEGAL IN THE COU

COUNTY. >> ONE MORE THING THAT I NOTICED PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN -- THERE NEEDS TO BE EDUCATION BEFORE -- AND FOLKS THAT BELIEVE THAT HEY, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU $1,000 AND GOT MY PERMIT. AND I THINK WHEN THEY UNDERSTAND

WHAT THEY ARE DOING. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE MESSAGING -- WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN THE TIME FRAME THAT WE HAVE SEEN. DO YOU HAVE SOME RESEARCH, SOME TEM PLATS. -- IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT DO WE TELL THE FOLKS ONE, TWO, THREE THAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET US INTO JANUARY. THAT MAY HELP FOR CLARITY.

>> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THE -- MAKING THE APPLICATION CHANGED AROUND TO MAKE IT MORE USER-FRIENDLY.

AND ALSO WE ARE IN -- THERE ARE SOME LITTLE INCONSISTENCIES OF THE ONES THAT PASSED THAT DIDN'T POP UP UNTIL WE ROUND TABLED THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WANTED TO BRING BACK ABOUT -- IT SAYS RIGHT NOW THAT NOBODY SHALL OPERATE WHILE THEY ARE APPLYING.

WHICH IF YOU FOLLOW THAT, IT MEANS ON JANUARY 2, THEY ALL HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN. AND WE NEED TO GO BACK AND

ADDRESS THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE KIND OF THINGS WE NEED TO GO BACK AND SHARE.

BECAUSE WE KNOW EXACTLY THE TIME AND WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON AND BASICALLY, WHAT THE APPLICATION WILL LOOK LIKE, HOW IT WILL BE ACCESSED, HOW IT WILL BE COLLECTED, RIGHT.

>> A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE COLLECTED RIGHT NOW FROM THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM SAMPLE FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS. IT IS LENGTHY AND -- IT IS NOT USER-FRIENDLY. AND SO AFTER WE MET, WE HAVE SOME THINGS TO CHANGE AND TO ADD.

THAT TAKES MAN SHOWERS. AS THE COURT KNOWS, THE ATTORNEYS ARE NOT -- MAN-HOURS. AS THE COURT KNOWS, THE ATTORNEYS ARE -- AND WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY SAY BALL IN YOUR COURT.

JANUARY 1 IS THE NEW DATE -- SORRY, JANUARY # IS THE NEW DATE. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

JENNY, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 6, WHICH WILL BE AN EXECUTIVE

[7. Discuss and consider approval to authorize the Coastal Parks Director to contract with The Gordian Group to provide a customized Job Order Contract (JOC) Complete Solution.]

SESSION ITEM. ITEM 7 IS BACK TO SCOTT CROSS ON

A JOB ORDER CONTRACT -- >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHO SECONDED IT FOR KARA? WHO SECONDED THE MOTION TO THE GAME ROOM.

GONZALEZ? >> THOUGHT YOU MADE THE MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HERNANDEZ. WHO MADE THE SECOND.

WILL YOU MAKE THE SECOND? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AND JOHN MAREZ.

SCOTT CROSS, YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER APPROVING -- A

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CONTRACT WITH THE GORDIAN GROUP FOR A CUSTOMIZED JOB ORDER

CONTRACT COMPLETE SOLUTION. >> ACTUALLY -- YOU ARE NOT APPROVING A CONTRACT RIGHT NOW. WHAT I WOULD BE ASKING FOR Y'ALL TO DO IS APPROVE ME GOING FORWARD TO DEVELOP THE CONCEPT OF A JOB ORDER PROGRAM THROUGH GORDIAN, PIGGY-PACKING OFF OF OUR SOURCEWELL CONTRACT THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS IN PLACE AT THE COUNTY APPROVED AND -- SOME TIME OF 2025.

I VETTED THIS EXTENSIVELY WITH GORDIAN AND MICHAEL, OUR PURCHASING AGENT. I AM NOT SURE IF HE IS THERE, BUT HE CAN PROBABLY HELP WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS -- THIS WOULD ALLOW ME -- AND THING IS GOING TO MAKE YOU COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAPPY. THIS WILL ALLOW ME TO BUILD A JOB ORDER CONTRACT SOLUTION TO WHERE WE CAN VET LOCAL TRADES, LOCAL CONTRACTORS TO BE A PART OF THAT PROGRAM TO WHERE WE CAN EXPEDITE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE -- CONSTRUCTION TYPE PROJECTS, MAINTENANCE TYPE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF OUR REGULAR PARKS AND BEACH MAINTENANCE WORKERS THAT CAN RUN ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS.

DOESN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT I NEED TO BRING FOLLOWING THE PROCUREMENT RULES TO BRING THINGS TO COURT FOR DOLLAR AMOUNT. IT STREAMLINES THE BIDDING PROCESS. AND SO MICHAEL CAN ANSWER A ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IF YOU NEED THEM.

AND ALSO GINA WITH GORDIAN IS ONLINE AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER BUT I THINK SOMETHING YOU HEARD US DISCUSS JOB ORDER CONTRACTING HERE AND THERE.

ONE OF THESE THINGS. MICHAEL LOOKED AT IT AND THOUGHT SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

SINCE YOU ARE FOLLOWING DO IT, SCOTT, LET'S START THERE AND BUILD IT UP AND SEE HOW IT GOES. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE CAN BRING A CONTRACT BACK TO YOU ALL FOR APPROVAL ONCE IT WAS VETTED THROUGH PURCHASING AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. JUST THE FIRST STEP SO WE CAN

GET THERE. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SCOTT, DID YOU THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE

PARKS BOARD? >> YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. IT HAS BEEN A WHILE AND THIS HAS GOTTEN SIDEBARRED FOR SOME TIME WITH OTHER STUFF THAT HAS COME

UP. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AS LONG AS THE BOARD APPROVED IT, JUDGE, I WOULD MOVE PASSAGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT, I WILL SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MORE APPROVAL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> THANK YOU, Y'ALL. THIS WILL HAVE HUGE COST BENEFITS WITH PROJECTS WE ARE WORKING ON AND LOCKS IN PRICE POINTS AND ELIMINATE MAJOR CHANGE ORDER ISSUES THAT WE RUN

INTO AS WELL. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET US KNOW THOSE COST SAVINGS AS THEY OCCUR.

PEOPLE LIKE THAT. WE LIKE TO HEAR THINGS THAT WE

[8. Discuss and consider electricity procurement through Public Power Pool (P3), including opting-out of 2022 procurement cycle, procurement of renewals, and related matters.]

HAVE DONE TO HELP YOU DO YOUR JOB MORE EFFICIENTLY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER -- ITEM NUMBER 8 FOR THE CLERK, DISCUSS ELECTRICITY PROCUREMENT OPTING OUT OF THE PROCUREMENT RENEWALS. GOOD MORNING, DAVID.

>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENT.

FOR THE RECORD, DAVID QUINN. PROGRAM MANAGER FOR A 501-C-4 TO EN YOU GET A BETTER QUALITY CONTRACT AND LOWER ELECTRICITY RATES BY PROCURING TOGETHER. WE PROVIDE FULL CONTRACT SERVICES AND TRYING TO COMPLETE OUR 2022 PROCUREMENT.

JUST BY WAY OF BACK GROUND ON THE PROCUREMENT.

FEBRUARY 2021, WE WERE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO FINALIZING A CONTRACT AND PUTTING YOU IN WHAT WOULD BE A RECORD LOW RATE AT THAT TIME. WE ISSUED AN RFP TO EVERY RETAILER IN TEXAS AND IDENTIFIED A SHORT LIST IDENTIFIED BY THE BOARD AND IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING FINAL CONTRACTS WITH THE SHORT LIST OF PROVIDERS. WE RECEIVED INDICATIVE PRICING THAT MET OUR OBJECTIVES AND TARGETS.

AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ENSURING THE FULL SLATE MEMBERS HAVE RECOMMITTED TO P 3 FOR THAT PROCUREMENT.

UNFORTUNATELY AFTER FEBRUARY 2021 WITH THE WEATHER EVENTS AND SUBSEQUENT INFLATION, THE WAR IN EUROPE, CONTINUED ONGOING GRID DISTRESS IN TEXAS AS WE WENT THROUGH THE SUMMER MONTHS, WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH A VERY VOLATILE MARKET AND SEEM AND BECAME APPARENT THAT OUR ORIGINAL PRICE PROJECTIONS WERE NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN THIS RISING MARKET.

IN JULY, THE BOARD MET, REVIEWED OUR RATE ESTIMATES, AND TOLD US TO RECALIBRATE THOSE. AND SEND OUT REVISED PROCUREMENT PROPOSALS TO EACH MEMBER. TELLING YOU WHAT WE THINK WE ARE

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GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO BASED ON THESE MARKET CONDITIONS AND YOU WILL HAVE A COPY OF THAT IN THE BLUE FOLDER AND WILLS A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION THAT IDENTIFIES WHAT THE CEILINGS AND TARGET RATES FOR NUECES COUNTY ON PAGE 7 OF THAT HANDOUT.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE ARE SHOWING YOU TWO RATES.

ONE IS A CEILING RATE THAT INCLUDES AN ADDER FOR MARKET PRICE FLUCTUATIONS OVER THE WEEKS AND MONTHS.

AND SECONDLY WITH THAT ADD I SHOULD AUTO IS RELATIVELY LARGE DUE TO THE VOLATILITY IN THE MARKET PLACE.

AND RECENTLY UNSOUTHEASTERN LEVELS OF UNCERTAINTY.

SHOULD THE MARKET PRICE BE RELATIVELY STABLE.

YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE PRICING CURVE ON PAGE 9 OF THE HANDOUT, OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE LOOK AT A THREE-YEAR TERM INSTEAD OF GOING LONGER BECAUSE THE MOST DIFFICULT YEAR WE ARE ANTICIPATING IS THE FRONT YEAR OF THAT FORWARD CURVE WHERE PRICE SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN SUBSEQUENT -- PRICING IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN SUBSEQUENT YEARS.

TO GO THROUGH 2023. AND ADD IN 2024 AND 2025 TO LOWER THE OVERALL RATE OF THE THREE-YEAR CONTRACT.

GOING FURTHER THAN 2025 DOES NOT ADD ANY BENEFIT.

YOU CAN SEE A PRETTY FLAT LINE. WE WILL NOT RECOMMEND AT THIS TIME ADDING ANYTHING AFTER 2025. SO THE RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW IS TO GO OUT THROUGH 2025 ONLY. NOW WITH THAT SAID, THE P 3 BOARD APPROVED US TO HAVE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TERM LIMITS AND DIFFERENT PRODUCTS AS WELL. .

SO WE WILL CONTINUE EXPLORING THOSE OVER THE COMING WEEKS AND IDENTIFY THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT AND TERM LIMIT AND WE WILL BE REPORTING BACK TO OUR P TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ABOUT OUR FINDINGS AND ULTIMATELY BACK TO THE P 3 BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON THE IDEAL TERM LENGTH AND PRODUCT.

YOU SHOULD PAUSE THERE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE AGREEMENTS ARE COUNTER INTUITIVE. REMIND THE COURT OF THE ACTION BEHALF OF POWER POOL YOU ARE RECOMMENDING.

I UNDERSTAND THE THREE-YEAR TERM.

YOU DID A NICE JOB EXPLAINING THE VOLATILITY, BUT TALK OF THE ACTION YOU ARE ASKING US TO TAKE AND WE WILL HAVE MORE DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD.

>> WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ACTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS THE BEST PART.

>> MAKING IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR COMMISSIONERS COURT.

AN OPT-OUT PROCESS IF ANY MEMBER WANTS TO GO AND DO THEIR OWN THING AND DO A BROKER OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

WE ASK THAT THEY OPT OUT BY SEPTEMBER 2.

BECAUSE THAT WAY BY THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK, WE WILL DO WHAT OUR COMMITTED LOAD THAT WE WILL BE TAKING TO THE MARKET PLA PLACE.

THIS IS THE SAME PROCEDURE. THE 30-DAY OPT OUT WINDOW IS INCLUDED IN OUR BY HADLAWS, SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE RATES THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING.

OUR PROCUREMENT PROPOSAL AND REVISION THAT WE SET IT OUT ELECTRONICALLY INSTEAD OF SNAIL MAIL BECAUSE WE WANT TO EXPEDITE

THIS PROCESS. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT, THE ONLY REASON I AM HESITATING AND I AM LOOKING OVER MY NOTES.

YOU KNOW WE GOT SOLICITED BY ANOTHER GROUP.

YOU WERE HERE THAT DAY COUPLE MONTHS BACK.

GIVE US A CHANCE. WE DID ASK FOR THEM TO HAVE COMPARISONS. THEY DIDN'T BRING ANY.

AND THEN OF COURSE RECENTLY, I DID -- WE ALL GOT AN E-MAIL.

AND OF COURSE IT INDICATES JANUARY 2023 MARKET LOOKS OUCH LOOKS VERY, $10 BUCKS FOR MTVU ON THE FUTURES.

SO, AGAIN, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS WE DO NOTHING TODAY.

YOU ARE ADVISING US -- YOU ARE ADVISING US OF OUR RIGHTS TO OPT

OUT IF THEY CHOSE TO DO IT. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

IF NO ACTION BY THE COURT WE WILL TAKE YOUR LOW AND INCLUDE IT WITH THE REST OF THE GROUP WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE MARKET

PLACE AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT.

AND BELINDA AND -- SITS INSIDE THAT TECHNICAL ADVISE RADIO HE COMMITTEE. SO I AM SURE SHE WILL BE ON NEXT

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WEEK AS WELL. AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING COURT UPDATED. LIE I CAN TO PUT ON THE RECORD AND YOU AND I HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS EVERY YEAR FOR FOUR YEARS. BUT, AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE IF WE WERE TO HAVE THAT THREE-YEAR COMMITMENT WITH YOU DO YOU FEEL THAT THE LANGUAGE IS CONDITIONAL AND SO WE CAN SELL IT BACK TO

THE GRID. >> YES.

IF THAT IS YOUR PLEASURE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THREE YEARS THIS SOPTING SEPTEMBER. A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT BEGINNING IN JANUARY 2023. SO FOR '23 THROUGH '25.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU.

>> JUDGE, YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION HE THE ABILITY IN THE P

3. >>JUDGE CANALES: FOR DENTON.

>> FOR COLLIN COUNTY. WE WOULD LOOK FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOU WHAT YOU WANT.

AND I SPOKE WITH MR. ARAIS TO GET THE LOCATION OF THOSE -- AS

WE GO TO THE MARKET. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS SUCH AN UNIQUE NICHE. OTHER EXPERTS.

I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE BUT DAVID DOES HAVE EXPERTISE HERE. I AM SORT OF THROWING IT OUT

HERE IDAY OR ANY OF YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS GOING TO ASK -- STAFF -- ANALYZED THIS.

>> I DO RECOMMEND THIS, COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I MEAN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE DON'T DO ANYTHING.

WE ARE LUCKY AND WE SIT STILL. HE IS ADVISING US OF OUR RIGHTS.

>> THIS WILL BE THE END OF THE 30-DAY OPT OUT PERIOD.

BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE OUR COMMITTED LOW.

AND WE WILL BE ABLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: SEPTEMBER 2 IS

REALLY YOUR DATE. >> YES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: Y'ALL BETTER LOOK QUICK.

YOU BETTER LOOK AT YOUR RATES RIGHT NOW.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING -- THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING A WHILE AGO. SEPTEMBER IS WHEN WE MAKE THE

DECISION. >> CORRECT.

THAT WAY WE KNOW THE COMMITTED LOAD AND WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AND WHAT OUR PURCHASING IS GOING TO BE.

AND WE WILL TAKE THAT OUT TO THE MARKETPLACE AND RETAILER ALSO KNOW THEY WILL BE BUILDING ON AN ESTABLISHED LOAD.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT THE -- WHEN WE DO OUR RFP, GOES TO EVERY RETAIL PROVIDER IN THE STATE. WE ARE OPEN TO EVERY RETAILER OUT THERE AS PART OF THIS PRO PROCESS. I BELIEVE THAT THE OTHER RE--

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE EXPECT THE BEST PRICE.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE STICKING AROUND.

>> EXACTLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOUR CHART IS GOOD. YOU SHOWED THE SAVINGS THAT QUESTIONED OVER TIME. WE LOST IT.

IT WAS ON THE SCREEN HERE. BUT YOU HAD A GOOD CHART HERE EARLIER. PUT THAT BACK ON SO EVERYONE CAN SEE. THERE IT IS.

THE CURRENT FORWARD PRICING CURVE RIGHT THERE.

YEAH, I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WE WILL HAVE HIGHER PRICING IN 2023. DALE, MY NECK IS ALWAYS HURTING THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT YOU BELIEVE THROUGH THE AGGREGATE DAVID THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MOST COAST EFFECTIVE FOR:NUECES COUNTY. YOU KNOW OUR LOADS MORE OR LESS.

YOU ARE NOT PUTTING ANYTHING ON LINE THAT IS NEW.

WE GET MORE EFFICIENT THAN ANYTHING.

>> CORRECT, JUDGE. OUR RECOMMENDATION IF WE WOULD GO IN THE MARKETPLACE OUR THREE-YEAR TERM WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE TERM LENGTH FOR ALL MEMBERS, NOT JUST NUECES COUNTY.

WE THINK THAT RIGHT NOW THE CHALLENGE IS GETTING THROUGH THE HIGHEST PRICE THE FRONT YEAR OF 2023.

THE FURTHER YOU GO ALONE THAT CURVE INTO 24 AND 25, THE MORE THE PRICE DROPS. WE WOULD RECOMMEND COMBINING 24 AND 25 TO GET YOU A LOWER THREE-YEAR RATE THAN EXPOSING YOU TO A HIGHER RATE IN 2023. WE RECOMMEND TO DEAL WITH A CONTRACT AFTER 2025 AT A FUTURE TIME.

SIMPLY BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THE PRICE COULD DROP FURTHER AS WE

SEE WITH THAT FLAT MARKET. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS TIME NO MOTION TO OPT OUT. SO STAY STEADY.

>> THANK YOU, YOU JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS.

MY CARD IS IN THE FOLDER. IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION, I

[9. Discuss and consider use of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds to hire two (2) temporary caseworkers to assist with Emergency Rental Assistance (ERAP) case management; related equipment for their use; and other ERAP support services; discuss and consider approval of hiring two (2) temporary caseworkers to assist with ERAP case management.]

AM HAPPY TO COME BACK TO VISIT AND MAKE ANOTHER PRESENTATION AS

SOON AS YOU ARE READY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE NEXT ONE

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ANA VALASQUEZ IS HERE TO DO ITEM NUMBER 9.

NOT REALLY TO DO IT -- I AM SORRY REBECCA.

I SEE REBECCA. I SAW ANA FIRST, BUT REBECCA IS HERE. THE ITEM TO DISCUSS USING ARPA TO HIRE TWO TEMPORARY CASEWORKERS TO ASSIST WITH ERAP CASE MANAGEMENT AND RELATED EQUIPMENT.

AND THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THERE MIGHT BE GOOD UPDATES. WE WERE REALLY TRYING HARD TO GET YOU THAT EQUIPMENT WITHOUT NEED IT TO STYLE A MOTION IF WE HAVE IT BY OTHER MEANS, GREAT. WE MAY HAVE IN HOUSE, IF NOT WE USE THE DOLLARS TO GET IT. THAT IS WHAT IDAY SAID, HEY, IF I LOOK HARD, THERE COULD BE EQUIPMENT THAT IS AVAILABLE -- LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PRINTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE ACTUALLY MIGHT HAVE IT. SO IT WOULD BE A IF YOU NEED IT

ON THE RESOURCE PIECE OF IT. >> THE RESOURCE PIECE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD, REBECCA.

GIVE US A LITTLE BACK GROUND AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT.

>> THE ERAP PORTAL BY HAGGERTY CLOSED ON AUGUST 15.

THAT INCLUDED THE HOTLINE NUMBER.

NO NEW APPLICATIONS ARE BEING ACCEPTED AT THIS TIME.

THERE ARE 200 APPLICATIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE ACCORDING TO ASSISTANCE. THE HAGGERTY WORK AUTHORIZATION IS COMING TO AN END AND WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO DO THE CASE MANAGEMENT PIECE OF THIS. YOU KNOW, AS I HAVE SAID, THE WHOLE TIME, MY STAFF RIGHT NOW ARE ACCEPTING FOR OCTOBER IN MY APARTMENT AND WE ARE SHORT STAFFED.

WE CAN'T TAKE SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE ON RIGHT NOW.

AND RECOMMENDING TWO TEMPORARY CASEWORKERS TO BE TRAINED BY HAGGERTY TO BE ABLE TO DO THE CASE MANAGEMENT THAT IS LEFT ON

THESE CASES. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL FLIP TO

IT, BUT ITEM NUMBER 9. >> I DID THE TEMPORARY WORKER REQUEST WORKSHEET AND TURNED THAT INTO HR AND IDAY GAVENL THE PAY GROUP 20. ABOUT $16.10 PER HOUR FOR TWO CASEWORKERS FOR 29 HOURS PER WEEK.

AND STILL BE SHALL -- LET ME LOOK.

WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE HAGGERTY USER ID $96 PER MONTH PER TWO USERS AND I BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE TO PAY THAT FOR FOUR

PEOPLE. >> THIS IS HARD, BUT DO YOU THINK BY THE ETCHED THE YEAR. THIS WILL BE COMPLETE.

DO YOU? I AM CURIOUS ON THE TIME FRAME.

WHEN HE ASKED YOU HOW MUCH IT COSTS, THAT IS AN UNFAIR QUESTION. YOU WILL HAVE TO ASK ME HOW

LONG. >> A GOOD POINT.

BECAUSE THE APPLICATIONS IN THE SYSTEM WE CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE ON THE AMOUNT. SO ONE APPLICATION COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, MANY MONTHS OF REPRESENT AND COULD BE $10,000.

AND THE NEXT APPLICATION COULD BE ONE MONTH OF RENT FOR $1,000.

SO WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE APPLICATIONS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM GOING TO THROW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SOFTBALL, BUT KIND OF GAUGING HOW MUCH -- LONG IT TOOK BEFORE TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS, I AM KIND OF GUESSING MAYBE FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS AT THE MOST, THREE TO SIX MONTHS. THREE IF WE ARE WORKING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT OR SIX MAYBE SIX MONTHS.

I WILL TAKE UP GUESS, SIX MONTHS.

>> I DON'T -- >> TRY TO BE OVERLY GENEROUS HERE. I AGREE WITH YOU, SOMEWHERE

BETWEEN THREE AND SIX MONTHS. >> TRYING TO DETERMINE BY THE

END OF SEPTEMBER. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WILL BE

THE GOAL. >> WE WERE DELAYED WHEN WE WERE ONLY HANDLING NUECES COUNTY APPLICATIONS AND WHY THE CITY WAS ABLE TO SPEND THEIRS SO FAST.

ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO OPEN UP TO THE CITY RESIDENTS, THE MONEY WENT A LOT FASTER. NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THERE, WHICH APPLICATIONS ARE IN THERE ASSUME A LOT OF CITY APPLICATIONS, I THINK IT WILL BE SPENT PRETTY QUICKLY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU WILL HAVE TWO TEMPS WORKING ON

THAT 29 HOURS A WEEK. >> THAT'S ALL THEY WILL DO.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT'S ALL THEY WILL DO.

OKAY. WHEN YOU SAY "TRAINING." SAY IF WE HIRE THEM NEXT WEEK. I AM JUST SAYING AND THROWING IT OUT. HOW LONG IS THE TRAINING?

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>> AATTACHED WHAT HAGGERTY, THE TWO-DAY TRAINING.

I ALREADY DONE ONE DAY OF IT AND WORK WITH THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND THEY WILL DO -- THEY WILL DO BOTH PARTS OF TRAINING.

I HAD IT RECORDED SO WE COULD SIT WITH THEM AND TRAIN.

SO TWO DAYS. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHAT

IS THE TRAINING COSTING US? >> I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK HAGGERTY HAD THAT IN THE WORK AUTHORIZATION TO START WITH, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT $1600.

I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT. I AM NOT CERTAIN.

IT WAS ALREADY FACTORED IN, THE TRAINING.

IT HAS. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ALREADY APPROVED THAT IN THE BUDGET -- THE BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE. THE TRAINING WAS INCLUDED.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT DO WE KNOW.

>> ABOUT 380,000. BUT I AM NOT CERTAIN OF THAT.

MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT BETTER.

>> RUNNING THE NUMBERS -- GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALMOST $300 $300,000. HAVE AN EXTENSION FOR JANUARY.

AND SHUT IT DOWN AT THAT TIME. >> THE ERAP UNTIL 2025.

BEFORE THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE. PROBABLY BY DECEMBER WE SHOULD

BE DONE. >>JUDGE CANALES: IN OTHER WORDS.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: MONEY LEFT OVER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LOOKS LIKE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HELP EVERYBODY.

IT WILL GO FAST. IT WILL GO FAST.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SO AGAIN -- THE IDEA IS TWO TEMPORARY WORKERS.

I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO USE ARPA FUNDS, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A RANGE. DALE, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING

HERE. >> TALKING ABOUT THREE OR FOUR

MONTHS NO MORE THAN $35,000. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN MAKE

THAT A LIMIT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ONE MORE THING. WE ARE GOING TO SUPERVISE THE

TEMPS. >>JUDGE CANALES: REBECCA, ON THE RESOURCES, YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF ALLOCATING THEM.

WE CAN PUT THEM IN, AND IF YOU REALLY NEED IT, YOU GOT IT.

IF NOT -- I AM NOT TRYING TO BE SO COST EFFECTIVE AS HURT YOU, BUT I HONESTLY BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME OF THE STUFF INHOUSE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, CELL PHONES AND THINGS.

WE HAD THEM FROM A PREVIOUS PROJECT.

WE TURNED THEM INTO TO DARYL NOT TOO LONG AGO.

MAYBE THEY ARE GONE. BUT NOBODY REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO SIT WITH DARYL AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THESE LIKE HERE. IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S FINE.

BUT WE THINK SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE AVAILABLE LIKE -- TO YOU.

BUT IF NOT, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THE

RESOURCES. >> YES, WE WILL DEFINITELY NEED TO INCLUDE THE SYSTEM ID. USER ID.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE $96 A MONTH.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO MOVED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TAKE HIS MOTION AND SECOND IT.

KARA, I ALREADY MADE THE MOTION. FLIP IT.

IT IS FINE. DOESN'T MATTER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THE ONLY THING ERAP IS, MAKE SURE WHEN YOU HIRE YOU HAVE THAT GREAT LANGUAGE.

SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN TAKEN CARE OF BUT DO A DOUBLE CHECK ON IT.

[3. Discuss and consider use of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds for a case management software for county offices.]

>> OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION.

ITEM NUMBER 3 -- THE . >>JUDGE CANALES: DID I MISS ONE, REBECCA? OH, NO, YOU ARE RIGHT.

SIT STILL. THANK YOU.

SO I SKIPPED.BECAUSE WE WERE COMING TO THE COUNTY CLERK AND BRING IT BACK. THIS IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ARPA FOR CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE FOR COUNTY OFFICES.

I WILL LET REBECCA TALK ABOUT HER DEPARTMENT.

I WANTED TO SET A NUMBER FOR THREE DEPARTMENTS.

THAT NEEDED HELP WITH SOFTWARE. THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SAID $NO MORE THAN $10,000. IT COULD BE LESS BUT $10,000 BUDGET FOR THE M.E. SOFTWARE. REBECCA LET YOU LEAD ON TO YOURS AND GO -- I WILL END UP WITH ONE MORE.

GO A HHEAD. >> WE DID THREE ESTIMATES ON SOFTWARE WE NEED WHICH IS COMPREHENSIVE CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. RIGHT NOW ACCESS DATABASE AND SPREADSHEETS AND TRYING TO TIE IT INTO ONE NICE SYSTEM.

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BASED ON OUR ESTIMATESES, IT JUST VARIES.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING WITH ARPA, WE WILL HAVE TO GO OUT FOR BIDS FOR THE CASE WHERE WE WANT IT. I SUBMITTED ALL OF THAT BUT I WILL HAVE TO GO OUT FOR BIDS ONE WE PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.

WE DID HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR BUDGET FOR $24,000 OR $25,000 OF YEARLY MAINTENANCE FEES SO WE COULD APPLY THAT FOR THIS.

AND WE WORKED WITH DARYL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT OUR

TECHNICAL NEEDS ARE. >>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU HAD TO RECOMMEND TO THE COURT. I GUESS I HAVE TO ADD IT ALL UP AND FOREST MITCHELL. AND DARYL IS ON.

DARYL, DISCUSSING CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES AND MEDICAL EXAMINER, AND TRY TO GET A GUESSTIMATE.

LIKE IF I SAID FOR THESE COUNTY OFFICES AN ALLOCATION OF, YOU KNOW, WORE A $50,000 COVER BOTH OFFICES ARE THEIR KIND OF THING.

BUT FIRST LET ME HEAR FROM FOREST.

BY THE WAY, FOREST. I GOT THAT NUMBER FROM BY ASKING SOMEBODY -- DON'T THINK I PULLED OUT $10,000 FROM MY HEAD.

FOREST MITCHELL. YOU CAN UNMUTE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS FOREST MITCHELL, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE.

YES, JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRIEF YOU ON THIS REAL QUICK. ACTUALLY THE SOFTWARE FOR THE SYSTEM FOR CASE MANAGEMENT FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER OFFICES CLOSER TO $100,000. THE QUOTE IS $97,000.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OUCH. MAYBE IT WAS WISHFUL THINKING.

FAIR ENOUGH. KEEP GOING.

TELL US WHY. -- SEVERING BASED OFF OF PAPER RECORDS. THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM TO ALLOW US TO HAVE ELECTRONIC RECORDS FOR ALL OF THE REPORTS DONE FOR THE OFFICE AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, BODY MANAGEMENT, AND ACTUALLY BILLING FOR OUTS OF COUNTY AUTOPSIES THAT ARE PERFO PERFORMED.

IN ADDITION TO IT THE 90,000, SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY LIKE COMPUTER MODELS AND PRINTERS THAT PRINT OFF MONITORS, WRIST

TAGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. REBECCA, KNOWING THAT NUMBER IS $1 UNION WILL,000. WHAT WOULD YOU --

>> THE NUMBER I PUT IN WAS $150,000 WHEN I TALKED TO HAGGERTY WAY BACK WHEN. I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT TRANSLATED WHEN THEY PROVIDED YOU WITH THE LIST.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GOT IT. SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE IS -- AGAIN, I DON'T ONLY DO THIS FOR THE ABOUT EN FIT OF OUR PUBLIC. I KNOW WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT.

BUT CAN YOU HELP US JUST MAKE A SMALL CASE HERE.

WHAT -- WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO FOR YOU? TO HELP PEOPLE BY GETTING THE SOFTWARE.

>> WE WILL HAVE AN ONLINE PORTAL.

WE HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR. PEOPLE CAN APPLY 24-7.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME INTO OUR OFFICE.

SO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN RURAL AREAS OR WHATEVER TONIGHT HAVE TO COME TO THE OFFICE TO APPLY. THEY CAN APPLY ONLINE AND WE WILL PROCESS THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

ANOTHER IMPORTANT PART IS THE BIG ISSUE FOR US.

WE HAND COUNT SOME OF YOU ARE STUFF THAT I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW FRUSTRATING THAT IS AND IF WE CAN TIE IT TOGETHER TO APPLY TO DIFFERENT GRANTS AND LOOK AT ERAP.

WE CAN'T REPORT TO THE TREASURE. AND WE SPEND MONEY.

AND WE WOULD LIKE THAT ALL CAPTURED INTO ONE SYSTEM.

>> THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME.

>> FOR CLIENTS IF THEY WANT TO UPLOAD DOCUMENTS PRIOR TO SEEING US OR MAKES IT EASIER. THEIR LEASES AND UTILITY BILLS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHEN I PLACE THIS AGENDA ON, I SAID COUNTY OFFICES. AND I WAS GOING TO HAVE THE THIRD ELEMENT BE THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND DECIDED TO WAIT ON THAT WITH THIS MORNING'S DISCUSSION OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO INCLUDE THE NEW CHIEF WHEN I SAID OFFICES FOR TODAY'S

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PURPOSES THE TWO NOT THE THREE. AS THE BOARD PLANS ON COMING BACK OR THE OVERNIGHT COMMITTEE COME BACKS PITCH IT OURSELF.

RIGHT NOW WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS $250,000 TO BE ALLOCATED FOR COUNTY OFFICES THAT BIFURCATED TO SOCIAL SERVICES AND THE 100 TO THE ME AND WE HAVE DOLLARS LEFT THAT HAS CHANGE FOR COUNTY SERVICES. FOR BOTH.

THE FORENSICS SUPPLY AND REBECCA'S OFFICE.

SO WITH THAT, THAT IS A WAY OF MAKING A MOTION TO USE AMPLE AS LONG AS THEY ARE PROCURED. IS THERE A SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SURE. DISCUSSION.

TELL ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THIS ONE SOFTWARE AND WHY WE

COULDN'T DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS SOCIAL SERVICES. CASE MANAGEMENT.

HERS IS BUILT FOR A LAW OFFICE. REBECCA'S IS BASICALLY FOR

SOCIAL SERVICES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TRYING TO FIGURE IT. SOFTWARE PRESIDENT OF SOFTWARE.

WHAT MADE THIS ONE ELIGIBLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: HER IS ELIGIBLE T TOO.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE SET. DALE WANTED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE AUDITOR. THAT IS DIFFERENT.

THE REASON THAT SOCIAL SERVICES QUALIFIES AND COVID -- PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICAL COMES INTO COVID RELATED PUBLIC HEALTH.

AND SOCIAL SERVICES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COVID RELATED. THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

THAT'S FINE. BASED ON THE ITEMS COME FORWARD -- NOT THE ITEMS BUT BACK-UP TO BE 250 AS A WHOLE ITEM BUT 150

FOR SOCIAL AND 100 FOR M.E. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU ARE GOOD WITH THAT. YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THAT.

I AM GOING TO START ASKING THAT A LOT BECAUSE I AM COUNTING ON YOU AS A COUNTY MANAGER TO BE VETTING A LOT OF THIS STUFF.

IF YOU WILL JUST THROW THAT IN THERE AS A MATTER OF COURSE.

THAT WILL SAVE ME FROM HAVING TO ASK YOU.

>> SURE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I TAKE THAT AS

A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DID.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE -- FORGIVE ME. I HAD A SECOND WITH MAREZ.

THEN HE SAID I WILL DO DISCUSSION, RIGHT, KARA.

SHE HAS MOTHER'S EARS. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GIVING ALL

THIS TO . >>JUDGE CANALES: MICHAEL IS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM TAKING COPIOUS NOTES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RACHEL -- DISHING OUT ARPA FUNDS.

THIS IS A NEW ONE. >> WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET

EVERYTHING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PLEASE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT TAKES CARE OF 3.

AND ITEM 15 WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESS

SESSION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ITEM

[18. Discuss and consider adopting a policy that requires one must obtaining a funding source before going out for an RFP. ]

WHICH ONE? >>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM 16 WE TOOK CARE. ITEM 17 WAS TABLED.

ITEM 18 IS YOURS, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

IDENTIFYING A POLICY FOR A FUNDING SOURCE BEFORE THE

REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TECHNICALLY MINE. WE ALL WANTED TO PUT IT ON THERE. I DON'T HAVE ANY BACK-UP.

BUT I THINK -- WE ALL -- WE ALL SAID WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING.

CAN WE JUST MAKE A MOTION TO GET IDAY TO GET WITH JENNY AND GET THAT DRAFTED. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> IS THIS IN ADDITION OR CHANGE TO THE COURT POLICIES AND

PROCEDURES? >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WANT YOU TO DRAFT IT. YOU WILL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF IS HE MANICS RIGHT HERE. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE SOMETIMES WHERE YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE -- IS HE MANICS, BECAUSE TIMES YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RFP. SOFTWARE.

YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS AND YOU GO OUT FOR BID AND THE

COURT UNDERFUNDED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NEEDS TO HAVE SOME FUNDING SOURCE. WOMAN SOME ABILITY.

YOU DON'T GRANTS, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU GO FOR A RFP, A GRANT.

TWEAK THE LANGUAGE SO IS THE FUNDING SOURCE IS EITHER

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IDENTIFIED FOR -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK IF WE MAKE THE SPIRIT OF THE MOTION THAT THAT IS EFFECTIVE TODAY SUBJECT TO THE FINAL DRAFT.

WE WANT A FUNDING SOURCE BEFORE IT GOES OUT.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE MOTION TOO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS FINE FOR AMENDMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: EFFECTIVE TODAY AND JEN AND IDAY WILL BRING BACK A DRAFT IN 30 DAYS.

AND MICHAEL RUNS. >>JUDGE CANALES: MICHAEL.

>> THANK YOU, YOU ARE WELCOME. I WANT ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT NOW AND LET ME KNOW THE FUNDING SOURCE WHEN THEY ASK ME TO GO OUT FOR PROJECTS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THERE YOU GO.

WE PASS A POLICY TODAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HAVE THE AMENDMENT AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND REDO THE SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR WITH THAT SMALL AMENDMENT, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. IF YOU RECALL ITEM 19 WAS TABLED EARLIER. ITEMS 20-23 ARE NOTICED FOR

[24. Discuss and consider next Commissioners Court meeting date.]

SESSION. IS THAT RIGHT? DOUBLE CHECK. ITEM 24 IS WEDNESDAY.

THAT IS THE NEW -- THAT IS THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS COURT DATE.

CAN YOU CONFIRM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A CARRY OVER. JOIN US ON WEDNESDAY.

ITEM NUMBER 25 IS ALSO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

OH, NO, YES, IT IS. 25 IS, RIGHT.

YES. 25 IS ON THE NEXT PAGE.

VERSUS THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, AND NUECES COUNTY.

>> THAT WAS ADDED ON. >>JUDGE CANALES: A LAWSUIT WE

[2. Discuss and consider the approval of Certificate of Substantial Completion for the CSP: 3144-20 Nueces County Courthouse Exterior Wall Remediation project completed by Phoenix 1 Restoration and Construction, LLC.]

NEED TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE CESSION AND WE DIDB-1.

HERE WE GO B-2. GO AHEAD JUAN HIM MENTAL FOR EXTERIOR WALL REMEDIATION FROM PHOENIX 1.

>> JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THE NUECES COUNTY COURT EXTERIOR WALL REMEDIATION PROJECT. THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED AND WE

ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND -- MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY DISCUSSION? THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU, JUAN.

AM I RIGHT ON THIS. ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

ARE WE STILL WAITING ON COLORED GLASS OR NO?

THEY ARE ALL GOOD. >> ONE OF THEM WE ARE WAITING FOR COLORED GLASS, BUT WE SHOULD BE FINE, JUDGE, THEY ARE WORKING

ON IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ITEM 3, JUAN TO ADOPT THE

[3. Discuss and consider a Resolution to Adopt the Revised and Updated Nueces County Flood Damage Prevention Ordinance, to include by reference the newly released FEMA Flood Insurance Study and related matters.]

UPDATED NUECES COUNTY FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION ORDINANCE.

BASICALLY INCLUDES BY REFERENCE THE NEW FEMA FLOOD INSURANCE

STUDY. >> YES, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATE WITH FEMA AND TEXAS AND WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ON THE -- EXCUSE ME ON THE ORDINANCE A NEW ORDINANCE REPLACING THE 1992 ORDINANCE APPROVED IN COURT.

AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS REVIEWED THE ORDINANCE.

WE ALSO SUBMITTED THAT BACK TO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND FEMA. AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT -- THAT THE NEW ORDINANCE BE APPROVED ALONG WITH THE -- WITH THE NEW FLOOD STUDY. AND -- AND THE FLOOD STUDY AND ANY RELATED MATTERS REGARDING TO THE -- TO THE ORDINANCE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING ELSE WE

NEED TO KNOW HERE? >> NO, JUDGE.

THIS IS JUST -- BACK IN -- BACK IN -- THREE YEARS AGO, THEY UPDATED CERTAIN MAPS, AND THOSE GOT -- THOSE WERE BROUGHT TO COURT, AND THERE WERE PRELIMINARY -- FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, THEY HAVE BEEN WORK ON GETTING THEM APPROVED ALONG WITH THE FLOOD STUDIES AND WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ITEMS 4 AND 5. A LITTLE BIT -- ONE OF THEM IS A CLEANUP AND SOME CONFUSIONS. THIS IS A CLEANUP.

[4. Discuss and consider approval of a Third Amendment to Work Authorization No. 1 with Lockwood, Andrews, and Newnam (LAN), Inc. for Program Management providing for re-allocation of previously committed funds.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM NUMBER 4 IS A THIRD AMENDMENT TO A WORK AUTHORIZATION AND JUST SO WE ARE NOT CONFUSED. CALL IT BY THE PROJECT NAME FOR

HILLTOP. >> ITEM NUMBER 4 IS HILLTOP AUTHORIZATION NUMBER 1. AND WE RECOMMENDED TO COURT, AND

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COURT APPROVED IT. >> WE JUST USED THE WRONG

NUMBER. >>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU GUYS THIS IS SOMETHING WE ALREADY VOTED ON BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT REFERENCE, THIS IS A CLEANUP.

SO WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE WORK AUTHORIZATION NUMBER 1 PROVIDING REALLOCATION OF PREVIOUSLY COMMITTED FUNDS. THAT IS TO -- TO REDUCE -- IT IS REALLY JUST TO TAKE LAN OFF THE HILLTOP PROJECT.

>> SO MOVED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[5. Discuss and consider approval of First Amendment to Work Authorization No. 2 with Lockwood, Andrews, and Newnam (LAN), Inc. for Program Management providing for re-allocation of previously committed funds.]

I AM ONE NO. AND THE NEXT ONE IS THE WORK AUTHORIZATION NUMBER TWO THAT WE DID NOT ADDRESS.

WE TABLED IT, REMEMBER. >> YES, MA'AM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS -- GO AHEAD, A REALLOCATION FOR -- EXCUSE ME, JUAN, GOING PACK TO 4.

THAT IS HILLTOP ONLY. >> I AM SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE. >>JUDGE CANALES: DID I SAY IT

WRONG? >> YES, MA'AM, NUMBER 1 WAS FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. THAT ONE HAVEN'T GOTTEN

APPROVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S DO NUMBER 5 NOW. LET'S REDO -- I WOULD LIKE TO

GET A MOTION TO RESCIND ON 4. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I RESCIND. SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL GET TO IT IN A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY AYE. 5.

5, JUAN, WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR HILLTOP.

>> 5 IS FOR HILLTOP, WORK AUTHORIZATION NUMBER TWO.

AND IT WAS FOR A REDUCTION IN COSTS.

YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, HILLTOP.

JUST HILLTOP ONLY. NOW ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AND I AM A NO.

SO -- IN OTHER WORDS, WE CLEANED UP THE 4S AND THE 5S.

GO BACK TO NUMBER 4. AND THIS ONE WAS TABLED BECAUSE THAT ONE IS THE MEDICAL EXAMINER FACILITY AND --

>> NUMBER 4? YES, NUMBER 4 IS FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER BUILDING WHICH IS THE -- THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO WORK AUTHORIZATION NUMBER ONE WITH LAN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TELL ME WHAT YOUR PLAN IS ON THIS?

>> THIS ONE, COMMISSIONER, I KNOW WE WILL GO OUT FOR RFQS.

GO OUT FOR RFQS FOR MEDICAL EXAMINERS AND RECOMMEND AT THIS TIME THAT THE DEPARTMENT OVERSEES.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE WILL HIRE TO DESIGN THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S NORMALLY COMMISSIONERS AND WHAT I DO AND JUDGE, WHEN I SAY I AM GOING TO MANAGE A PROJECT.

MY STAFF WILL OVERSEE THE PROJECT AND I WILL GO OUT THERE ONCE A WEEK TO OVERSEE THE PROJECT.

IN OTHER WORDS, ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK OR GO OUT THERE.

AND SEE HOW THE PROJECT IS GOING.

AND ALSO PROVIDE UPDATE TO COMMISSIONERS COURT ON A BIWEEKLY BASIS HOW IT IS PROCEEDING.

WHERE THE CAST IS AT. IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGE ORDERS.

-- THE COST IS AT. IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGE ORDERS

AND AT MEDICAL EXAMINER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROGRAM AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT CLEARLY. BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS YOUR INTENT ON THIS TO HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER.

>> YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT, BUT I PROBABLY -- MIGHT BE A RECOMMENDATION.

AT THIS TIME, I CAN'T RECOMMEND IT, COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT I AM NOT INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT WITHOUT A PROJECT MANAGER.

I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND I DON'T MEAN THAT CRITICALLY TOWARD YOU OR YOUR STAFF.

>> I UNDERSTAND. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HE BELIEVE HAVING SOME OVERSIGHT BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOUR OFFICE.

AGAIN NOT A CRITIQUE. JUST SIMPLY -- I HAD A LOT OF LUCK WITH AND IN PARTICULAR BEFORE WE HAD PROGRAM MANAGERS.

I HAD A LOT -- EXCUSE ME, I AM CHOKING ON LITTLE JOLLY RANCHER.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NO MOUTH TO MOUTH.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY SUPPORT TO HAVE SOME PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND THAT'S FINE TOO. IF THEY DO THAT TOO.

BECAUSE THAT DOES SAVE COST. RIGHT, PROJECT -- AND AGAIN TWO SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. GOOD PROGRAM MANAGER WILL SAVE YOU THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE. I DON'T DISCOUNT THIS ARGUMENT, BUT IF YOU DON'T USE THE MONEY FOR PROGRAM MANAGEMENT AND SHIP SOME OF IT BUT NOT ALL OF IT TO PROGRAM -- SORRY, PROJECT MANAGEMENT THEN A LOT OF VALUE THERE TOO.

SO -- >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER

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CHESNEY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, A PROGRAM MEANS YOU ARE RUNNING MULTIPLE PROJECTS AND A LOT OF EFFICIENCIES BY USING ONE GROUP THAT IS MANAGING SEVERAL PROJECTS FOR ONE ENT TIER.

REALLY A PROGRAM MANAGER IN THIS SENSE IS A PROJECT MANAGER AND A PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS INSIDE MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT ARE CO-EXISTING. AND BY DOING THAT YOU USE ONE SET OF SOFTWARE TO TRACK THIS, ETC.

BY DOING THIS -- BY REMOVING IT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE HAVE THE PROGRAM MAN INJURY WORKING ON LOTS OF BUILDING STUFF, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, JP GROM IS A ARCHITECT ENGINEER.

YOU SAY I ONLY HAVE $7 MILLION FOR THIS BABY BUT MY VENDLATION SYSTEM IS A TOP PRIORITY AND WINDS UP THAT THE PROGRAM MANAGER THAT HAS A SPECIAL EXPERTISE LIKE OURS DID YOU SEE.

NOT ABOUT CHECKING ON THE -- ON HOW THEY ARE DOING OR REPORTING HOW THEY ARE DOING. THAT IS GOOD.

BUT THE REAL ELEMENT IS UNDERSTANDING THAT VENDLATION SYSTEMS ARE A KEY COMPONENT AND USING DISINFECTING TYPE OF MATERIALS AND SOURCING. YOU GET AN ARCHITECT THEY ARE THERE TO DESIGN. YOU GET A PROGRAM MANAGER WHO IS AN ENGINEERING COMPANY, THEY ARE THERE TO VALUE ENGINEER THE PROJECT TO GET YOUR $7 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH.

WHY EVERY ONE OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

WHY I WAS SO OPPOSED -- I AM NOT OPPOSED.

NOT IN THEORY EITHER WAY. IF YOU ARE A COMMISSIONER AND WANT SOMETHING IN ON YOUR PROJECT THIS IS WHY YOU SEE PEOPLE USING PROGRAM MANAGEMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE IN BUILDING MODE. WE HAVE BEEN IN BUILDING MODE AND A PROJECT MANAGER WAS BUILT INTO EACH AND ONE OF OUR PROJECT, TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT OVERSIGHT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL WAS GIVEN. I WOULD HOPE THAT, HEY, SAY, LOOK. GOT THEM OFF HILLTOP DUE TO THE COMMISSIONER WANTING THAT. THIS PROJECT IS TOO IMPORTANT, TOO TECHNICAL, TOO HYPER TECHNICAL TO NOT BRING IN A TEAM THAT IS ALREADY SUPER FAMILIAR WITH IT.

ALREADY PREPPED IT. ALWAYS KNOWS -- I MEAN, REMEMBER, THEY WALKED THE SMITHGROUP THROUGH A HUGE PIECE OF IT TO BACK OFF NOW WOULD BE -- AND JUAN IS STILL GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, OVERLOOK IT BECAUSE HE DOES THAT TO ALL PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE ENGINEERING COMPONENTS.

BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU AT LEAST LEAVE THIS IN HERE.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ARCHITECT NOW.

NO MONEY IS -- IS NECESSARILY WASTED WHEN YOU -- WHEN YOU GO OUT FOR ARCHITECTURE, LIKE THAT RFP -- THAT RFQ IS KEY.

WHAT YOU WRITE IT FOR. MOST CHANGE ORDERS COME BECAUSE THE RFQ WAS NOT WORDED PROPERLY. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ELIMINATE THAT BY INSISTING ON AIA WHICH IS PROGRAM MANAGEMENT BUILT FOR US MAKING SURE THE RFQS ARE GOOD.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DON'T THINK WE NEEDED AN FRQ.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT WE DO.

YOU WERE ILL THAT DAY. MICHAEL AND JENNY CONFIRMED WE

HAVE TO HAVE A RFQ. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ANYTHING WITH ARPA FUNDS. CAN I JEWS FINISH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SURE -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CAN I JUST FINISH BECAUSE I KNOW DURING THE CONFERENCE SIT THERE TALK TOO THE PEOPLE DOING THE PRESENTATIONS.

AND THIS HE SAID, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

BECAUSE USING ARPA FUNDS FOR CON INSTRUCTION TO GO FOR BIDS, BUT AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECT. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARPA FUND FOR INSTRUCTION. WHAT THEY SAID AT THE PANEL.

WE MET WITH THEM AFTERWARDS. SOMEBODY IS NOT ON THE RIGHT TRACK. BUT I CAN -- I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TALKED TO THEM ALSO. BECAUSE I ASKED YOU IF YOU COULD MEET WITH THEM. AND THIS IS -- THIS IS THE

OUTCOME OF THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHO DID YOU

MEET WITH, IDAY. >> I HAD A QUESTION IF THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ACT REQUIRE YOU MUST USE RFQ.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NOT THE PROFESSIONAL.

THE 2CR. PREFERRED TO USE AN RFQ AND NOTHING WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IF THE COUNTY HAS A DIFFERENT PRACTICE THAT SELECT. WE HAVE A PRACTICE HERE.

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I HAVE AN E-MAIL AND WOULD PRESENT THAT TO THE COURT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE PROBLEM IS YOU ARE ASKING A GOOD QUESTION, BUT NOT THE RIGHT ONE. RIGHT ONE IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE FEDERAL. .IT IS CONNECTED.

THE SECONDARY FINAL RULES. WE SAW IT LISTED.

>> YES. I DID THE QUESTION -- I HAD THE QUESTION. I EXPLAINED LIKE WE USE FOR CONSTRUCTION AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AND PLANNING TO USE -- WITH DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE THE ARCHITECT OR THE ENGINEER.

THAT WAS THE QUESTION. AND I AM JUST WAITING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHO WAS IT? BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE THEM REQUEST JOHNSON COLLIER, OUR OUTSIDE AWED FOR I SENT AN E-MAIL LAST NIGHT AND WAITING FOR AN EMAIL RESPONSE TO SHARE WITH THE COURT AND SHARE IT WITH AUDITOR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OUR OUTSIDE AUDITOR AND EXPERT IN THE FINAL RULES UNLESS THAT IS THEIR SPECIALTY.

I WOULD AIR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.

>> I HAVEN'T SAID NOTHING UNTIL I HAVE ALL THE FACTS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: BRING IT BACK TO US TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE NOT DOING THE ARCHITECT TODAY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I UNDERSTAND THAT.

LET'S GO BACK TO THIS PROGRAM MANAGEMENT PIECE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I JUST HAD MORE QUESTIONS.

SO I AM TRYING -- THE REDUCTION OF THE TOTAL ESTIMATE OF COST AUTHORIZATION FROM 1.9 TO 1.4. THAT'S PAUSE -- IT WAS SET UP ORIGINALLY FOR $28 MILLION -- WHATEVER THAT NUMBER, A $28

MILLION PROJECT. >> THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO THEN THE COST ON THE $28 MILLION PROJECT WOULD BE $537,000. YOU ARE SAYING IN THIS ONE TO REDUCE IT COMPLETELY WHEREAS IF WE KEPT THEM IN /* ON IN PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. A LARGE REDUCTION BUT NOT ALL OF IT. SO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.

WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW -- UP STEAD OF 537, 560, WHAT WOULD BE NUMBER IF THEY STAYED ON AS THE PROGRAM MAJOR FOR M.E..

>> $28 MILLION TO 7, ABOUT A FOURTH, YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE REASON I AM ASKING WHAT WOULD BE ON A PROGRAM MANAGEMENT -- SORRY, PROJECT MANAGEMENT TYPE SITUATION. OKAY, I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT A FOURTH OF THAT IS ABOUT 130,000.

>> YOU HIT IT PRETTY MUCH -- I WAS GOING TO SAY ABOUT 125,000.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT.

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU KEEP THEM AS PROGRAM OR PROJECT, THERE ARE NO SAVINGS.

BUT THEN YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE BOTH.

I DON'T THINK THAT ESPECIALLY -- THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROJECT OR PROGRAM ON ANYTHING. TO ME, COULD YOU HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER. AND I DON'T I AGREE WITH THE JUDGE'S ASSESSMENT MUCH THE VALUE OF PROGRAM MANAGEMENT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW --

>> COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE, I KNOW RECOMMENDED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAVE ROOF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF. WE HAVE A ROOF PROJECT AT THE BUILDING. AND A ROOF PROJECT AT THE -- WHAT IS IT CALLED. THE -- OVER BEHIND THE ROBSTOWN FOR THE AGRICULTURE. WE NEED TO DO IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE. I WAS LOOKING OF HOW TO SAVE MONEY TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. JUST RECOMMENDING THAT.

AND UP TO YOU ALL COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE.

>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CLERK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GOODNESS. SORRY, I DIDN'T NOTICE.

THANK YOU, CONNIE. OKAY.

LET'S TAKE A PAUSE HERE. LET'S TAKE AN OFFICIAL PAUSE.

JUST A FEW MINUTES HERE. JUST AN OFFICIAL PAUSE.

OFF THE RECORD AT 1:49. THEY WENT TO THE BATHROOM.

WE WILL TAKE AN OFFICIAL PAUSE RIGHT NOW JUST

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUAN, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE AND PACK ON THE RECORD. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS -- IT'S ABOUT 120,000 IF WE JUST REDUCE IT.

NOT AN ABILITY TO REDUCE IT RIGHT NOW AND, THEREFORE, YOU HAVE DONE BOTH. YOU SAVED 350,000 AND WHICH YOU CAN APPLY TO PERHAPS IF THE COURT DOES IT ON ANOTHER ITEM,

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YOU CAN APPLY IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THIS 120,000 STAY THERE IS. YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECT THERE AND ALWAYS BRING IT BACK AND RE-EVALUATE BUT IN THAT CASE THERE SEEMS TO BE A GOOD COMPROMISE.

>> JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, I AM FINE WITH THAT.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, WILL YOU

SECOND THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WASN'T FINISHED. JUAN, WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET HERE IS HOW MUCH CAPACITY YOU HAVE IN YOUR STAFF.

YOU ARE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. I WILL DEFER TO YOU.

NOT TO RUBBER STAMP. THERE IS ALWAYS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AND LET'S ADDRESS IT. AS LONG AS -- AS LONG AS THIS ISN'T YOU -- YOU KICKING LAND OFF TO PUT ANOTHER PROJECT MANAGER ON, THEN I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT HAS GOT TO BE TRULY THAT YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS. BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP USING LAN ON OTHER PROJECTS. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH LAN AND I RESPECT YOUR POSITION BEING.PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

AND AGAIN I AM GOING TO ASK YOU. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SAVING

MONEY. >>JUDGE CANALES: A GOOD COMPROMISE, FROM THE 500 TO THE 100.

THAT GETS US WHERE WE NEED TO BE AT THIS MOMENT WHICH IS NOWHERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECT.

IT HAS THE RFM BUILT THE RIGHT WAY -- SORRY, THE RFQ THE SAME

WAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE SECOND TIME. YOU MADE IT ON A COMMISSION'S REQUEST. THE SECOND ONE IS NOT AS EASY FOR ME AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE EXPECT A.

I AM SAYING IF YOU ARE SAYING YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOW WHAT YOU SAID OF THE JUDGE OR SAYING YOU WILL AGREE WITH WHATEVER WE I NEED TO KNOW YOUR TRUE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.

I AM NOT SAYING THERE NEEDS TO BE A CAPRIMIZE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS AND NOT SUPPORT IF YOU COME BACK IN HERE AND HAVE A PROGRAM MANAGER ON THIS

. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS ISN'T A PRECINCT. IT IS A COUNTY PROJECT.

.SAVES US $537,000 OR -- AND, I GET THAT.

A HUGE NUMBER. I GET IT.

BUT THAT MEANS YOUR STAFF HAS TO DO MORE WORK AND YOUR STAFF HAS TO PUT IN MORE TIME. AND ASKING FOR SURE -- IF YOU THINK YOU CAN HANDLE IT. I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE -- IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING BACK LATER.

>> I WOULD NOT BROUGHT IT TO THE COURT IF WE COULDN'T HANDLE THIS PROJECT. WE CAN MANAGE IT AND CAN OVERSEE IT. WE HAVE DONE A PROJECT FOR THE CHILLERS AND OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE IN OUR STAFF.

SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT WITHIN OUR OFFICE.

THAT IS THE REASON WE HAVE BROUGHT IT, COMMISSIONER.

WITH HE CAN SEE HOW WE CAN SAVE MONEY TO DO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. AND NEED HELP WITH MONIES.

AND A GOOD WAY FOR US. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL SUPPORT THIS AND PUT THEM ON ANOTHER PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK THEY DO GOOD STUFF. PUT IT ON ONE OF MY PROJECTS -- I AM NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE I HAVE ANY BEEF WITH LAN.

I WILL PUT THEM ON THE NEXT PROJECT -- I WILL MAKE THAT UP TO THEM SOMEHOW. BUT, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS RECOMM RECOMMENDATION.

THIS IS A HUGE DEAL IF IT GOES SOUTH.

>> I UNDERSTAND, COMMISSIONER. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IS THE BACKGROUND THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE BECAUSE TWO CORDS BEFORE WE HAD TO HAVE GOKIND TO DO MECHANICAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO ENGINEERS.

YOURSELF AND BURT BETTIS. I BELIEVE THIS IS NOT A SMART MOVE FOR YOU. YOU CAN STILL BE THAT MAN INJURY YOU WANT TO BE. WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EXPERT THAT HAS AN ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING BACKGROUND AND A TEAM OF HUNDREDS TO SUPPORT HIM WHEN QUITE FRANKLY THE THINGS WE ARE WORKING ON ARE SO HIGHLY TECHNICAL AND SPECIALIZED.

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I FEEL LIKE FOR $100,000 YOU ARE GETTING A TEAM OF ENGINEERING.

YOU CAN'T HIRE THE SAME ENGINEER.

AND WHAT YOU ARE GETTING HERE IS AN ENTIRE TEAM OF PEOPLE.

I HAVE TO ASK YOU. I HAVE TO BE HONEST THAT YOU ARE DOING IT FOR OTHER MOTIVATIONS. I AM NOT SURE, A JUAN.

>> JUDGE, WHATEVER MOTIVATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE MOTIVATION NOT TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE OVERSEE THE PROJECT.

>> OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO OVERSEE THE PROJECT FOR PROJECT

MANAGER FROM OUR OFFICE. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SO

MOVED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WAIT A SECOND. I HAVE ON THE MOTION OR THE FLOOR. YOU HAVE TO -- MY MOTION TO

ACCEPT WHEN HE SAID -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NO

SECOND, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HAD A MOTION.

I ASKED -- I WOULD LIKE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY HAVE A SECOND TO

THAT MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS

FAIR. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS FAIR.

YOU CAN DEFEAT IT IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I WANT TO GO ON RECORD THERE WAS A GOOD COMPROMISE AND SEEMS VERY EXTRAORDINARY ODD TO ME THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE HELP WHEN WE LITERALLY HAD TO GO CONTRACT JUST TO GET A MECHANICAL ENGINEER TWO WEEKS AGO. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PRO RATA IS. THE FOURTH OF A NUMBER THAT YOU GAVE. YOU SAID ABOUT A FOURTH OF THE NUMBER. I THINK THAT IS IS A GREAT COMPROMISE AND GETS JUAN EXTRA PEOPLE.

JUST SO YOU REMEMBER, WE HAVEN'T EVEN HIRED ANYBODY YET BUT YOU HAVE BE IN TO WRITE THAT RFQ. I NEVER SEEN A CONTRACT COME OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS THAT IS -- THAT IT COMES OUT OF -- THOSE AIA CONTRACTS. COME OUT OF PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

THAT IS WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT THEM. THEY HELP YOU ON THE FRONT SIDE.

TRUST ME, IT'S -- IT IS DANGEROUS FOR A COUNTY TO NOT HAVE GREAT HIP ON THE FRONT SIDE.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE HELP BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEER ON STAFF TOLL WORK THAT RFQ TO GET THE RIGHT PRODUCT LATER. THAT IS MY CONCERN.

TO HELP YOU. LIMIT IT MORE.

LIMIT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO LIMIT IT TOO.

SI WOULD HEM TO GET THE RIGHT CONTRACT AND THE RIGHT RFQ.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE CONTRACT FOR THREE YEARS AND EVERY TIME YOU GET ONE THEY ARE SOLID AT A ROCK. I THINK IT WILL BE SMART IF YOU JUST YIELD TO COMMON SENSE WHICH IS YOU DON'T WANT THEM ON THE BACK SIDE. GET IT ON THE FRONT SIDE TO GET THE GOOD RFQ AND GOOD CONTRACT AND BRING IT BACK TO COURT AND LET THEM GO, SO BE IT. A MISTAKE NOT TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE ON STAFF FOR ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING. I JUST DON'T.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE JUAN A LITTLE BIT OF CREDIT AND GIVE US OUR CONFIDENCE.

I KNOW HE CAN DO THE WORK. HE IS THE ONE CATCHING ALL THE MISTAKES DONE BY ABM THAT LAN SHOULD BE CATCHING.

JUAN IS BRINGING THEM FORTH FOR US.

GIVE JUAN A LITTLE BIT OF CREDIT AND LET HIM SHOW YOU WHAT HE CAN

DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: ONCE ITS RFP IS

DONE IT IS TOO LATE. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THEN THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I ASK A QUESTION.

THAT IS A FAIR POINT, RIGHT. THERE IS PROBABLY -- MIGHT BE VALUE ON THE VERY FRONT END AND I AM GOING TO ASK JEN AND IDAY I CAN SEE SPENDING MONEY FOR THE RAINFALLRFQS.

TELL ME HOW THAT WILL WORK. MICHAEL OR SOMEBODY.

GIVE US AN IDEA HOW THAT WILL WORK IF WE DIDN'T IT OR DID DO IT AND LIMB THE SCOPE. THAT IS A FAIR POINT.

>> ONE OF THE SERVICES WE GET FROM LAN ON THE PROJECTS IS THEY ASSIST ME IN WRITING THE RFQ AND WRITING THE AIA WE DO FOR THE

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ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEER AND THEY HOST THE BIDDING PROCESS AND HELP US WITH THAT TO GET A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE QUALIFIED FOLKS TO BID ON THE PROJECT THROUGH THE PROJECT WEB

SITE. >> WE CAN -- DURING THE RFQ, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION THAT MICHAEL IS REQUESTING.

>> WHAT WOULD WE THINK THAT MIGHT BE COST -- AS PART OF THIS. BECAUSE -- I AM PERFECTLY FINE WITH JUAN TAKING OVER THE CONTRACT, BUT -- TAKING OVER THE

PROJECT, BUT -- I THINK -- >> I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE GET TO LAN AND SEE WHAT THEY WILL BE WILLING TO CHARGE US FOR THAT LIMITED SCOPE IN JUST HELPING ARE THE RFQ PROCESS. HIRING THE ARCHITECT.

THEN THE OTHER QUESTION LATER ON AFTER THE ARCHITECT FINISHES THE DRAWING IS WE HAVE TO BID OUT THE CONSTRUCTION ELEMENT.

AND THEY HAVE HELPED US WITH THAT AS WELL.

>> I THINK JUAN CAN DO THAT STUFF.

TECHNICAL PART JUDGE -- IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT PART OF IT.

>> MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. >> I WILL BE WILLING TO HAVE A LIMITED SCOPE WITH THERFQ PENDING LAND AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. WE ARE DOING A LITTLE

OPEN-ENDED. >> BASICALLY IF YOU RECALL SINCE WE ARE NO LONGER DOING CSP ECONOMY METHODS FOR CONSTRUCTION, WE ARE BACK TO USING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LOW BID. >> LOW BID METHOD THAT THE COUNTY. WE ARE CONFIDENT WORK WITH

JUAN'S OFFICE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK IT AS HUGE MISTAKE -- NOT TO DO A CSP BID ON AUTO HIGHLY TECHNICAL BUILDING. LOW BIDS WORK FOR A LOT OF THINGS AND NOT SMART. YOU CAN ASK HOW OTHER ENGINEERING FIRMS OR ASSOCIATIONS BELIEVE IT.

A REASON FOR IT AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF HIGHLY TECHNICAL BUILDINGS. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GO WITH LOW BIDDER THAT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SPIRIT.

WE CAN GET TO THAT LATER. WE ARE NOT THERE YET.

>> I KNOW YOU AREN'T GETTING -- YOU ARE NOT EXACTLY, BUT IF YOU -- IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION WITH REGARDS TO THE -- TO THE RFQ IN THE CONTRACT PART OF IT.

THEN I AM GOOD WITH THAT. THEN JUAN TAKES IT OVER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: INTRODUCTION -- OR INTRODUCE.

>> DOES HE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO AIA CONTRACTS?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YEAH. >> THROUGH YOUR OFFICE?

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WERE SAYING, JENNY, MAKE IT PART OF THE MOTION THEY WOULD DO KIND OF THAT LIMITED SCOPE.

I WILL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT THE WORK AUTHORIZATION NUMBER --

PLEASE HELP ME WHAT NUMBER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 537,

560. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT AUTHORIZATION BE RECONSTRUCTED, A IF YOU WILL, OR AMENDED SUBJECT TO THEIR AGREEMENT, OF COURSE.

BUT BE AMENDED SO THEY CAN BE ON THE -- YOU KNOW, ON FRONT END OF IF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS THE RFQ AND THE CONTRACT PORTIONS AND WE CAN STOP THERE AND BRING UP THE NEXT PIECE LATER. THAT IS A LONG WAYS AWAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL SECOND THAT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THE NEXT PART IS MICHAEL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEN WE HAVE TO -- WAIT. OKAY.

SO WE ARE JUST -- WE MADE IT TO WHERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE MADE IT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS BY LIMIT IT. ALL THOSE EXTRA FUNDS WILL BE BACK INTO THE CO PROJECTS, UNALLOCATED.

WHEN TERESA DOES THE UPDATED, SHE CAN MAKE NOTE OF THOSE

UPDATED. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALL WILL GO BACK INTO THE C.O.? HOW CAN THEY ALL GO BACK INTO

THE C.O. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHERE MONEY COMES FROM FOR CAPITAL -- PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.

WE HAVE A PROJECT EVERY TIME WE SAY THE PROJECT COSTS $5 MILLION. THEY MEAN ALL IN.

DESIGN, ARCHITECT, ENGINEERING, CONTINGENCIES.

WHEN HE SAYS I WANT TO LOWER THAT AMOUNT, THOSE DOLLARS GO BACK TO WHENCE THEY CAME WHICH IS UNALLOCATED C.O.S.

THERE IS NO MONEY FOR ROOFS BUT YOU CAN COME BACK AND TRY TO GET A MONEY FOR A ROOF THAT DOES NOT EXIST BUT YOU CAN TRY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT LOW PRESSURE PUT R PUT ON FOR

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ANOTHER TIME AND WE MAKE THE MOTION AT THAT TIME.

WE REDUCE THE WHOLE 537,506. REDUCE IT A TON, SO YOU WILL GET AT LEAST A GOOD HALF MILLION BACK TO COME BACK WITH SOME GOOD

PROJECTS. >> YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OR GIVE BACK TO THE VOTERS.

I AM ALWAYS ABOUT THAT TOO. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOT IN A C.O.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SPEND THAT BY LAW.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I KNOW. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK YOU, JUAN. TAKE A VOTE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE NEXT ONE IS --

>> SO A FEW ITEMS ON HERE THAT NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSENT

[1. Approve a finding for the method of procurement (request for competitive bids) for Uniform Rentals, Floor Mats, Shop Towels, Linens, and Scrubs; and authorize the purchasing agent to publish a notice.]

AGENDA ACTUALLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEN LET'S GO

QUICKLY. >> BASICALLY NUMBER 1 IS A UNIFORM CONTRACT COMING TO AN END AND WE NEED TO REBID IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

JUST SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, AUTHORIZING YOU TO PUBLISH A NOTICE TO GET THE BIDS FOR THE UNIFORM RENTALS.

THE NEXT ONE. >> DISCUSS AND CONSIDER SELECTION. THIS IS ONE THAT WE WOULD

[3. Discuss and consider method of procurement (request for qualifications) for architectural services for a mental health restoration center; authorize Purchasing Agent to publish a notice; and adopt an order delegating evaluation authority to a selection committee.]

DISCUSS. IF WE WANT TO SKIP AND DO # AND

4 FIRST. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S DO IT.

THE EASIER ONES. >> REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION FOR ARCHITECT FOR MENTAL HEALTH RESTORATION CENTER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET'S EIGHT TALK ABOUT THIS ONE.

>> THE BROWNLEE BUILDING. >>JUDGE CANALES: ARER WE ALLOCATED $4 MILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY DON'T HAVE A PROCUREMENT METHOD. THEY HAVE TO PROCURE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY HAVE THE DESIGN, BUT THEY WANT

TO GO FOR BIDS. >> THEY ONLY HAVE A COST ESTIMATE AND HAVE PRELIMINARY IDEAS AND RENDERINGS.

BUT THEY DON'T HAVE -- >> IS THIS ARPA FUNDED?

>> THIS IS ARPA FUNFUNDED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT WE

GAVE THEM THE FUNDS. >>JUDGE CANALES: PROCUREMENT.

>> GOES THROUGH US. IF WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO A RFQ.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THEY CAN DO THE RFQ.

I THINK MICHAEL SAID THEY DON'T HAVE THE MEANS OR FACILITIES TO

DO IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE COMPLIANCE.

TO BE A LITTLE MORE SMART IRV NOT GETTING CLAWED BACK.

>> WE ARE PROVIDING THE PURCHASING FUNCTION FOR THEM, FOR THIS RFQ. BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE IS THE

PURCHASING ARM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT I GUESS -- IS THAT LEGAL? I DON'T KNOW WHY -- I DON'T KNOW WHY I WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN SOMEONE ELSE'S PROJECT.

>> WHAT WE DID FOR THE TRI-COUNTY DRAINAGE STUDY AS WELL. WE ARE THE RECIPIENTS OF THE GRANT AND GAVE THEM THE ABILITY. AGAIN, THEY WOULD LOVE TO JUST BE ABLE TO SELECT. I WISH THEY COULD, BUT THEY

CAN'T. >> CAN SOMEONE TELL ME

UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT -- SOMEBODY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ASKED HAGERTY, OUR EXPERTS AND CONFIRMED IT AND THEY SAID THIS IS THE PROCESS THEY NEEDED TO GO THROUGH FOR PROTECTION OF THE COUNTY. THEY DID WRITE IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO IT ON THE CHARLIE'S PLACE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL OF THEM. HE IS WORKING ON A TEMPLATE.

FOR EXAMPLE, A POLITICAL JURISDICTION OR ENTITY, AN INTERLOCAL. IF NOT A MOU.

WE PROVIDE THE -- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGAIN, I NEED SOMETHING IN WRITING. NOT BEING A STICKLER BUT NOTHING IN MY BOOK THAT SAYS -- IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO -- OH, MY GOSH. BECAUSE WE HAVE GIVEN MONEY TO -- WE WILL HAVE TO DO PROCUREMENT FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.

SOMEBODY -- I NEED TO HAVE THAT IN WRITING.

WE NEED TO SEE THE LAW ON THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE DEFINITELY ASKED THAT BECAUSE WOULD BE SO EASY TO DO IT THE OTHER WAY.

NOBODY WANTS TO GO THROUGH THE ONEROUS PROCESS AND WE ASKED AND THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDED WAY TO DO IT.

TO MAKE SURE THAT COMPLIANCE IS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

THIS IS WHY THE ADMINISTRATION OF ARPA IS SO ONEROUS.

THE FINAL RULES OF TREASURY THAT WE LOOK TO REMEMBER ARPA IS

UNIQUE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T

A CLUE HERE BECAUSE NO ONE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN DO IT

SUBJECT TO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TABLE IT FOR NEXT WEEK BECAUSE HAGERTY IS GREAT AND ALWAYS GIVING ME WHAT

I NEED. >>JUDGE CANALES: DO IT YOUR WAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST FOR A WWEEK.

[4. Discuss and consider method of procurement (request for proposal) for maintenance of emergency generators at Nueces County Courthouse and Jail and McKinzie Annex; authorize Purchasing Agent to publish a notice; and adopt an order delegating evaluation authority to a selection committee.]

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>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND TABLE FROM HERNANDEZ.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY. >> NUMBER 4, DISCUSS PROCUREMENT OF REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR THE MCKINZIE JAIL AND THE COURTHOUSE

ANNEX. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS IS THE MAINTENANCE PIECE THAT WE SAID WAS COMING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS WILL BE LOW BID.

>> THIS IS AN RFP. >> TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD BECAUSE WE PASS THE POLICY, $150,000 FOR MAINTENANCE JUST IN CASE.

IS IT IN OUR NEW BUDGET AS WELL AS A PROPOSED?

>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS AN UP

TO COMMISSIONERS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE

A FUNDING SOURCE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE A

FUNDING SOURCE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:

150,000. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A FUNDING SOURCE. I MOVE PASSAGE OF A PROCUREMENT

[2. Discuss and consider conditional selection for RFP No. 3193-22 Nueces County Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) System and Replacement of Timeclocks.]

METHOD. >>JUDGE CANALES: GONZALEZ WITH A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

NOW LET'S GO TO THE ONE THAT TAKES MORE DISCUSSION.

ITEM 2. >> ITEM 2 IS THE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CONDITIONAL SELECTION FOR RFP 39.22 FOR THE NUECES COUNTY ERP SYSTEM AND REPLACEMENT OF TIME CLOCKS.

I HAVE SOME ITEMS I AM GOING TO PASS OUT TO YOU ALL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO MUCH, MICHAEL.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MUCH FOR TIME CLOCKS?

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: LIKE 3 MILLION, MAN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW DID ONE SCORE THE OTHER WITH THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE. AM I READING THIS WRONG.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, MICHAEL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR THIS ONE THREE PROPOSALS. TWO OF THE PROPOSALS WERE THE

EXACT SAME WHICH IS WORKDAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH

TWO? >> PRECISION TASK GROUP ANDA LIGHTS SOLUTION. TELLER TECHNOLOGY PROPOSED THEIR OWN INHOUSE SOFTWARE FOR THIS. WE CONDUCT WITH DALE'S OFFICE.

DEMONSTRATIONS OF THE DIFFERENT SOFTWARE PROJECTS AMONG THE USING STAFF. THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MET.

PERFORMED EVALUATION ON PROPOSALS.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING CONDITIONAL SELECTION OF A LIGHT SOLUTIONS BASED ON SOFTWARE FUNCTIONAL, EASE OF USE SUPPORT STRUCTURE.

AND THE COMMITTEE FEELS THAT THIS SOFTWARE HAS THE CAPACITY TO SERVE THE COUNTY WELL INTO THE FUTURE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MICHAEL, CAN I READ IT RIGHT.

IS IT -- AM I READING IT RIGHT, THAT IT IS DOUBLE THE PRICE?

>> SO WHAT YOU ARE NOT SEEING IS THIS PROJECT WAS A FIVE-YEAR INITIAL CONTRACT WITH A FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL.

AND WHAT WE ARE SHOWING YOU IS THE FIVE YEARS ON THIS PRICING I HAVE ANOTHER DOCUMENT I CAN GIVE YOU ON TEN-YEAR VERSION.

DID NOT PROVIDE FOR YEAR 6-10. SO WE REALLY CAN'T CONSIDER THAT PRO PROPOSAL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AND THIS WAS REQUIRED?

CHEST DMOES WAY. >> AMONG THE OTHER TWO THE PRICING WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LEFT W WITHA LIGHT. DALE CAN PROVIDE INSIGHT FOR

FUNCTIONALITY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A MANDATORY THING SIX THROUGH TEN. WERE THEY NONRESPONSIVE OR NO?

WITH AS THAT MANDATORY. >> WE ASKED FOR PRICING.

WE GAVE THEM A SCHEDULE OUT FOR TEN YEARS AND WE DID NOT GET THE

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SCHEDULE BACK. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE AREA I SAW IN HERE THAT SHOWED THAT ONE OF THEM --

>> I CAN PULL THAT FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT I HAVE ON THE PROPOSAL TABULATION THAT TYLER WAS RESPONSIVE ON ALL FOUR AMENDMENTS.

A LIGHT WITH AS NOT RESPONSIVE ON ONE AMENDMENT.

>> I AM NOT SAYING WE ARE DEEMING THEM NONRESPONSIVE, I AM TELLING YOU AN UNKNOWN QUANTITY WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN FOR YEARS SIX THROUGH TEN. I CAN'T COMPARE WHAT THAT PRICING MIGHT BE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO FIGURES GIVEN TO US TO EVA EVALUATE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT IF IT WASN'T BE A MANDATORY AND WE CAN'T DISQUALIFY, SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO TELL ME WHY I WANT TO PAY TWO OR THREE TIMES AS MUCH. TWO OR THREE TIMES FUNCTIONAL.

A HUMONGOUS. NOT $15.

BUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I AM REAL ANXIOUS TO HEAR THIS JUSTIFICATION. TYLER TECHNOLOGIES IS A GOOD COMPANY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TECHNOLOGY IS ON THIS. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER ONES BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH TYLER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COULD WE AWARD TO TYLER AND SUBJECT TO CONTRACT AND NEGOTIATION. AND THEN BE ABLE TO WHEN WE APPROVE IT DECIDE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT GIVEN THAT

-- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE CAN

DO ANYTHING THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: IN OTHER WORDS, SO DRASTIC THAT I FEEL WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO -- A MOTION TO GO WITH TYLER AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AND HAVE YOU ADDRESS THAT WHICH YOU WANT TO DO WHICH IS --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE LONG TERM.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THAT. RIGHT.

NOTHING TO SAY YOU CAN'T ADDRESS THAT IN THE CONTRACT

NEGOTIATION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE RFQ

ASKED FOR FIVE YEARS. >> THE RFQ ASKED FOR TEN YEARS.

BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSE SOMETHING A FIVE-YEAR INITIAL CONTRACT TERM AND FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO THEY ARE REALLY NOT IN THE WRONG.

JUST -- THEY JUST GIVE YOU THE FIVE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ON THE RENEWAL. THEIR OPTION TO RENEW.

>> BOTH PARTIES HAVE TO AGREE ON THE RENEWAL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: TO OUR BENEFIT TO DO THE FIRST FIVE AND EVEN IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER, WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF AT THAT JUNCTION BASED ON THE FIRST FIVE.

COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES ONLY. I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU LATITUDE TO GO WORK ON IT. BUT I GOT TO GO WITH ONE THAT IS

HALF THE PRICE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ME TOO.

>> I BELIEVE BOTH COMPANIES INDICATED WE ARE LOOKING AT A 18-MONTH WINDOW JUST TO GET INSTALLED AND READY TO GO.

DALE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME OTHER INSIGHT.

>> I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH THE DEMONSTRATION AND SOME PARTS OF THE SOFTWARE THAT TYLER DOESN'T HAVE THAT WE ARE USING AND NEEDING. AND THERE IS A CHANCE TO HAVE -- WORK DAY HAS EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNTY USES OR NEEDS AND MATERIALER DOESN'T. WORK WITH DARYL.

AND DARYL MAY BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL.

WE HAD SOME ISSUE WITH TYLER ON -- ON CALLS IN AND WORKING DAYS AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME ISSUES THEY HAD.

SO DARYL, IF YOU WOULD WANT TO -- YOU SAID ALL THE DEMONSTRATIONS WE HAD, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DARYL -- THERE YOU GO.

>>. HE MIGHT KNOW EITHER, BUT WE SAW A FEW ITEMS THAT TYLER DID NOT HAVE IN THEIR CURRENT SYSTEM. AND WE ARE WORK WITH.

WE WANT TO MAINTAIN OUR EMPLOYEE BENEFIT SCHEDULES.

OURP-CARD SCHEDULING AND OTHER CAPITAL ASSET -- ITEMS WHERE TYLER DOESN'T HAVE EVERYTHING IN THAT WORK DAY.

THE PRICE IS A LITTLE HIGHER. WE AGREE.

THAT'S WHY WE WERE RECOMMENDING THIS AND WORK WITH OUR -- OUR IT DIRECTOR AND SAYING RIGHT NOW TYLER IS NOT THE BEST COMPANY.

AND HE WAS SAYING ON AVERAGE SOMETIMES WHEN THEY GET TO THE LATER YEARS, THE PRICES WILL SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: EXCUSE ME, DALE.

ANY WAY TO FIND OUT FROM TYLER AND KWP WORK DAY, IF TYLER WAS TO GET WHAT THEY NEED LIKE WORK DAY, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN

PRICE WOULD BE? >> NO WAY TO KNOW THAT.

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>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WE CAN ASK?

>> YOU CAN ASK. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT IS

THE FUNDING SOURCE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS PROMPTED YOU TO SAY WHAT WAS THE FUNDING SOURCE.

REMEMBER? WHAT I WAS HOPING AND WE DIDN'T GET TO DO IT TO HAVE ITEM NUMBER 1 PRESENTED AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN -- THE C.O. UNALLOCATIONS. NOW THAT WE HAVE AWARDED THE GENERATOR CONTRACT, WE KNOW THERE ARE SAVINGS -- WHAT I WAS HOPING AND DIDN'T HAPPEN TODAY. GET THAT REPORT AND ALLOCATE THOSE SAVINGS. AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION WHAT

OTHER C.O. MONIES ARE AVAILABLE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHOULD

WE TABLE IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND MANY QUESTIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DON'T HAVE AN IDENTIFIED FUNDING

SOURCE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IS OUR OPTION -- YOU CAN REJECT ALL BIDS.

YOU CAN FOLLOW MY RECOMMENDATION OR THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE. OR YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION AND IT CAN BE CONDITIONED UPON -- ALWAYS

CONDITIONED UPON THE CONTRACT. >> WITH CONDITIONAL SELECTION, WHAT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO TO BEGIN NEGOTIATE WITH WHATEVER THE COURT COLLECTS AND WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF A CONTRACT ARRANGEMENT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO COURT AND THE COURT WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE FULL CONTRACT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED WITH VENDOR PROVIDING WORKSHOP ABLE TO MEET WHATEVER SHORTCOMINGS.

IF WE WERE TALKING OF GOING WITH TYLER WHO DID NOT HAVE SOME OF THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT WE WANTED IF SOMETHING THAT CAN BE NEGOTIATED THE ST. LOUIS TO SHORE THAT UP.

THAT IS THE LOW BIDDER AND PERHAPS WE WILL HAVE AN ADVANTAGE THERE THEY WILL PROVIDE THE FIGURES PACK TO US TO EVALUATE. AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEIR TOTAL

CONTRACT VALUE WILL BE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, REAL PROBLEM, THE ONGOING COST. THIS WILL BE A CONTINUING PROBLEM UNTIL WE HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT FOR RESERVE AND HOLD IT.

HERE WE GO, NEXT GUY, $453,000 OR WHATEVER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHY WE KNOW WHAT THE FIRST FIVE YEARS ARE. OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST AND WE SAID WE HAD TO WAIT AND I WANT TO KNOW AND HAPPENS IN THE CONTRACT, WHAT KIND OF FINANCING THE COMPANIES OFFER FOR PUBLIC ENTITIES. WE SAID WE COULDN'T GET THERE UNTIL WE GET THERE. POUR IN UNALLOCATED AND WE KNOW NEXT WEEK BECAUSE TERESA, YOU WILL GET IT FOR US BY NEXT WEEK.

AND HOPEFULLY THAT MEETS THE 50% METRIC OF THIS COST WHICH IS MY HOPE. AND THEN FROM THERE, WE FIGURE OUT MAYBE HOW TO WORK WITH THE COMPANY TO FINANCE OUR WAY THROUGH. SO HAVING SAID THAT TABLING IS I

GUESS IS OKAY. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT DARYL WAS TRYING TO CALL IN AND HE HAD COMMENTS TO GIVE YOU ALL IN

EXECUTIVE SESSION. >>JUDGE CANALES: UNDER WHAT EXCEPTION. THERE IS NO EXCEPTION.

SORRY. THERE IS NO EXCEPTION THAT I AM AWARE OF. JENNY, CAN YOU CONFIRM WHAT

EXCEPTION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CONTRACT

NEGOTIATION. >> IF THAT IS A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION, YOU HAVE TO VOTE 5-0.

HAVE A FINDING IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR THE COUNTY TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE ON THAT MATTER. UNTIL --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HERE IS THE THING.

LET ME JUST SAY THIS. THIS IS A HUMONGOUS NUMBER.

I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT WITH A HE TELLS IN BACK DOOR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WILL TELL ME THAT WILL CHANGE MY MIND. I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO ME THERE ARE SOME FEATURES THAT YOU NEED.

BUT, AGAIN, I MEAN, I DID A QUICK -- I LITERALLY JUST GOOGLED TYLER TECHNOLOGIES ERP AND CLICKED ON THEIR LITTLE THINGS HERE. MY WISH IS TO GET YOU TO THE NEXT STEPS. IF IT DOESN'T WORK -- IF YOU SAYS IT JUST NOT -- I GOT IT -- IF YOU SAY THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK, HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING BACK THE CONTRACT AND TELL US

TEN REASONS WHY IT WON'T WORK. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK WE NEED TO TABLE IT, JUDGE. THE FUNDINGS SOURCE TAMPA .

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AND ALSO, I WILL ADD THAT WE ARE STILL IN PRESIDENT UNAWARDED PHASE OF THIS PROJECT. AND ANY INFORMATION THAT WE GAVE TO YOU, AND THE COUNTY CLERK -- REMIND EVERYONE THAT YOU CAN NOT SHARE ANY INFORMATION I HAVE GIVEN YOU IN THIS PHASE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS

UNTIL SEPTEMBER 7. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. HERE WE GO, MICHAEL.

>> THE STUFF IN THE PACKET WAS GENERAL INFO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TAKE SECOND LOOK.

I AM WITH YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: KEEPS

[1. Approve Capital Project Change Order No. 112.]

GETTING WORSE, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: AT THAT TAKES CARE OF PURCHASING. WE ARE DOING THE PAPER FIELD, WE WILL GET DALE READY. TWO ITEMS FOR AUDIT AND THAT THE CAPITAL PROJECT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 112.

IT IS NUMBER 1. >> YES, YOUR HONOR, CHANGE ORDER. ONE FOR 2021 C.O.S.

A FEW NEW PROJECTS ON LIST ON THE BUILDING, FENCING AS WELL AS COUNTYWIDE ASSESSMENT PROCESS. ALL THESE FUNDS ARE BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE 2021 UNALLOCATED FUNDS.

WE MET WITH MY STAFF AND TERESA AND HER STAFF AND THESE ARE -- THEY HAVE BEEN REQUESTED AND SUBMIT THIS FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

>> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? BUDGET ORDER 112. I WILL MAKE -- OKAY, THANKS, JOHN. I WILL SECOND YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER MAREZ MADE THE MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

[2. Approve Budget Change Order No. 19 for Fiscal Year 2021-2022.]

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WHAT ABOUT THE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 19 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR?

>> GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE RUNNING LOW ON A FEW FUNDS.

MY OFFICE TO BE EXACT. WE HAD NEW FLOORING BECAUSE WATER LEAKING AND REPLACE A FEW ITEMS. AND MY OFFICE EXPENSE HAD TO BE INCREASED AND SAME THING WORE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, BUILDING SUPERINTENDENT AND PROJECTS OF ADDITIONAL STAFF THEY WERE NEEDING ON PAGE TWO, SOCIAL SERVICES AT $15,000 BECAUSE OF NOT ASSOCIATED WITH ARPA.

AND QUALIFY FOR THE ITEM TO BE TRANSFERRED AND SUBMITTED AND SUBMIT BUDGET CHANGE OVER NUMBER 19.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANYBODY? I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 19.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

COULD WE CALL --HR PLEASE. THE FIRST ONE -- WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS. ONE HAS BEEN TABLED TESTIMONY TWO TABLED. DOUBLE CHECK IDAY THAT WE COVERED EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK WE ARE ALL CLEAN.

[1. Receive information regarding a salary evaluation for the attorney positions within the County Attorney's Office.]

BUT DOUBLE CHECK. OKAY.

JULIE, WE HAVE GOT AN INFORMATION TO PRESENTATION OR INFORMATION TO HAVE DATA OF SALARY OF THE -- WITHIN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. ITEME 1.

AND I NEED TO TURN TO THAT. >> BASICALLY WHAT WE DID WAS A EVALUATION WHEN THERE WERE CHANGES FOR THE ATTORNEY POSITIONS WITHIN BOTH DEPARTMENTS.

SO THE EVALUATION WE SENT TO JENNY TO JUST SHOW WHAT CURRENT EMPLOYEES ARE AT. WHAT PAY GROUPS ARE HAT.

AND IF THERE ARE CHANGES IN THE PAST WHEN THEY WERE

RECLASSIFIED. >> I READ IT AND YOU HAVE TO INTERPRET IT FOR ME. TELL ME WHAT IT MEANS.

BECAUSE I READ THIS, BUT KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE

SAYING TO ME. >> A FEW OF THEM ARE OUT OF LINE. SOME OF THEM -- EXCUSE ME ARE AT A HIGHER PAY GROUP THAT REQUIRES LESS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. OPPOSED TO WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REQUIRES. FOR THEIR EDUCATION -- WELL, NOT

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THEIR EDUCATION BUT THEIR EXPERIENCE.

WE DO REQUIRE THE SAME EDUCATION FOR ALL OF THEM.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LIKE HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING.

WHAT IS THE COST. WHAT IS THE -- WHAT IT TAKES TO

-- >> MAKE IT RIGHT.

SOME OF THEM ARE ONE PAY GROUP UP OR TWO.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE MANAGEMENT AND THE DA'S OFFICE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS WELL.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LET ME SEE JUST A SECOND.

>> WHAT I REALLY NEED. I NEED A SIDE BY SIDE THAT SAYS THERE ARE THREE COUNTY ATTORNEY POSITIONS THAT SHOULD BE GETTING PAID THIS BECAUSE OF DA'S POSITION.

AND HERE IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST AND BE IN THE BUDGET.

THAT IS WHAT WE ALL WANT TO SEE. SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT AN

MAKE IT RIGHT. >> IN THE PAST, THE TWOS WERE EQUIPMENT TO THE TWOS IN BOTH DEPARTMENT.

THEY WERE THE SAME. THE SAME THING FOR THE THREES, THE FOURS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

THE DA'S OFFICE TO THE TWO PERCENT WHICH IS TWO PAY GROUPS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK THEY GOT ARPA.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HALF OF IT, COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY BAD. YOU ARE RIGHT.

>> WE DID MOVE UP THEIR PAY GROUPS ANYWAY.

THIS IS JUST A GLIMS GLIMPSE AS TO WHAT JENNY'S OFFICE IS STILL AT AND WHAT THE DA'S OFFICE IS NOW AT.

LIKE I SAID IN THE PAST, WE USED TO HAVE THEM EQUIVALENT.

THE 3S WERE THE SAME IN BOTH DEPARTMENTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. JUDGE I THINK COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU ARE ASKING WHAT IT TAKES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU WANT TO KNOW OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. JENNY?

>> WE DID AN ANALYSIS IN OUR BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT I CAN PULL UP AND CIRCULATE. ALSO WE ASKED FOR HISTORICAL DATA. WE ASKED FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE -- IF THE QUESTION IS JUST HOW TO MAKE IT RIGHT, WE CAN SKIP STRAIGHT TO THAT BUT LET ME PULL THAT UP AND CIRCULATE TO THE COURT. IS THE E-MAIL OKAY.

>> YEAH, THAT IS FINE. >> TAKE OUT A CHUNK OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS THAT ANALYSIS.

AND SORRY I DON'T REMEMBER. IF YOU WENT SO FAR TO SAY THIS IS THE AMOUNT TO MAKE THAT RIGHT.

IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. WE NODE TO PLUG THAT.

>> WE WERE OUR BUDGET PRESENTATION AND RECOMMENDED A -- A RECLASSIFICATION OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY STAFF FOR HER ATTORNEY AND LEVELS 3, 2, 1S. 37 AND NINE POSITIONS IF I --

AND 152 THOUSAND IN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN YOU

PUT THAT YOU -- >> I CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU

AGAIN, YES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WILL BE LIKE IN THAT BUDGET CHALLENGE AND RECOMMENDED.

>> IT IS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AS LONG AS IT WILL BE IN THE PRESENTATION.

>> IT IS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TODAY WE ARE JUST RECEIVING AND GETTING IT IN THE BUDGET.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT, JULIE.

AND 152 IS THE ANSWER. I GUESS THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT THOSE THAT ARE ON ARPA ARE ALREADY AT THE RIGHT

LEVEL. >> WE DID ARPA LAST YEAR FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, ONLY HALF OF THE RAISE BUT ALL FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND TRANSFERRED $220,000 FROM ARPA TO THE GENERAL FUND AND ALREADY 100% FUNDED FOR THE DISTRICT

ATTORNEY. >> TWO ARPA ATTORNEYS.

NOW. >> THEY ARE STAYING ARPA.

>> NONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS QUALIFIED FOR THE PREMIUM PAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING HIM.

>> A DOUBLE HIT. TLFLS A CUT OFF AT 78-5.

>> IT DOESN'T COUNT FOR THE ARPA, BUT WE COULD -- I THINK SHE HAS TWO LAWYERS THAT ARE ARPA FUNDED, DALE.

BUT THEY -- WE CAN'T PUT THEM AT THE RIGHT SALARY.

SO WHEN WE ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET ALL THE

LAWYERS AT THAT PARITY. >> IT WILL BE INCREASED BY THE

[3. Discuss and consider recommending to the Civil Service Commission to suspend the maximum accrual of vacation hours under the rule of 4.21 of the Civil Service Rules for the fiscal year 2021-2022.]

[4. Discuss and consider the suspension of the maximum accrual of vacation hours under the rule of 4.21 of the Personnel Policy Manual for the fiscal year 2021-2022.]

SAME LEVEL. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

JULIE, THE NEXT ONE WE TABLED. I AM NOT SURE IF HEARD IT EARLIER. ITEM 3 AND 4, AS THEY SAID REVISITED FROM LAST TEAM. AND THERE ARE SOME -- SOME ITEMS HERE -- SOME DATA TO LOOK AT. HAS TO DO RECOMMENDING THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION TO SUSPEND THE MAXIMUM ACCRUAL VACATION HOURS. AND AGAIN, KIND OF LEVEL SET.

WE HAVE 240 HOURS. GIVE US THE BACKGROUND SO WE CAN MOVE INTO THE DAY AT THAT THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US TODAY.

I WILL TURN TO IT NOW. I BELIEVE FOR THE PAST FIVE

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YEARS IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, WE HAVE SUSPENDED THESE HOURS BEING LOST FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES. AND SO, THEREFORE, THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO ACCUMULATE WELL BEYOND -- SOME OF THEM PAST 1,000 HOURS AT THIS POINT. AND TO -- I MEAN JUST PAUSE OF STAFFING NEEDS AND PEOPLE HAVEN'T TAKEN THOSE HOURS.

SO, THEREFORE, THERE ARE SEVERAL EMPLOYEES THAT STAND TO LOSE.

250 EMPLOYEES THAT STAND TO LOSE TIME -- VACATION TIME IF WE DON'T CONSIDER WAIVING THIS POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE, COMMISSIONERS, JUST

SO YOU KNOW. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TO ME.

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: EMPLOYEE 100 HOURS. IT MEANS THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN NO VACATIONS PERIOD IN TWO YEARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BLAME, THE EMPLOYEE, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. BECAUSE, I MEAN, IF I HAD AN EMPLOYEE WORKING UNDER ME, I WILL MAKE SURE HE TAKE HIS VACATION. YOU KNOW.

I MAKE SURE EVERYBODY TAKES THEIR VACATION.

IF I OWE THEM ANY TIME, MAKE SURE TAKE IT WITHIN THREE MONTHS OR THEY COULDN'T TECH IT. SO -- AND FOR THREE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN TELLING THE SAME THING TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

THEY CAME UP HERE BEFORE US, THREE YEARS IN A ROW.

WE NEED TO HAVE THIS. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS.

ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT. TAKE CARE OF IT.

YES, WE ARE. YES, WE ARE.

.PUT US IN THIS POSITION HOPEFULLY WITH 6 PEPTS.

TO MAKE UP FOR THE VACATION TIME VACATION TIME IS NOT GOING TO IT BE FOREVER. WHEN YOU SAID 1,000.

>> PEOPLE IN THE JAIL THAT HAVE OVER 1,000 HOURS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS THE JAIL. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TALK TO ONE OF THE SUPERVISOR TAKE YOUR PATROL PEOPLE IN, LET THEM WORK THE JAIL FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND ADMINISTRATION.

THEY ARE ALL OFFICERS. LET THEM WORK THE JAIL FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS. LET THEM ROTATE.

THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT I GUESS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT.

JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE ADMINISTRATION AND YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK THE JAIL. NERVE THAT JAIL IS A JAILER FIRST. JUST LIKE IN THE PRISON SYSTEM.

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU ARE, SECRETARY, YOU ARE A JAILER.

YOU ARE -- YOU ARE A CORRECTION OFFICER.

SOMETHING GOES WRONG, YOU ARE GOING TO RESPOND AS CORRECTION OFFICER. SAME THING WITH THE JAIL.

I THINK FOR SOME REASON WE ARE NOT -- I JUST THINK WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THIS. I HATE TO TELL THEM, HEY, SIX MONTHS HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE VACATION.

I HATE TO DO THAT, BUT DEPARTMENT HEADS, YOU KNOW, EVERY SIX MONTHS SEND THEM A NOTE.

HAVE YOU USED YOUR VACATION TIME DOING IT FOR THREE YEARS AND WE

NEED TO HAVE IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK THE

PANDEMIC COMPLETELY MADE IT -- >> DIFFICULT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: STILL THREE YEARS TO DO IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT CAN AFFORD TO LOSE ANYBODY AT ANY TIME.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS SHERIFF HOOPER WEIGH IN.

I TEXTED HIM TO SEE IF HE COULD WEIGH IN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I THINK THE -- TO ME, THE JAIL IS DIFFERENT. AND THE DIFFERENCE IS, THEY ARE 80 TO 90 PEOPLE DOWN WHICH IS PROBABLY 30%.

I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE, BUT SIGNIFICANT. WHEREAS -- I ALWAYS LOOKED AT THAT DIFFERENTLY THAN I WOULD OTHERS.

AND MAY SOUND UNFAIR BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

THEY CAN'T FILL SPOTS AND THEY HAVE TO WORK OVERTIME AND THEY CAN'T LEAVE AND LITERALLY -- YOUR ARGUMENT IS SOMEWHAT

WARRANTED BUT. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND JUVENILE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T THINK THEY ARE SHORT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY ARE. >> WHICH ONE YOU SAID?

>> JUVENILE IS SHORT RIGHT NOW. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY PROBLEM IS WE KEEP DOING THIS. I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT DO WE

STOP. >>JUDGE CANALES: HOW ABOUT WE ACTUALLY CREATE A POLICY. I AGREE WITH YOU.

EVERYBODY WANTS CERTAINTY. THAT IS THE ONE THING.WORKING SOMEWHERE. AS LONG AS YOU KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, IT'S FAIR. HOW ABOUT CREATE A POLICY THAT MAKES SENSE. IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE -- YOU COULD -- I AM JUST THROWING SOMETHING

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OUT. YOU COULD DO A SLIDING SCALE AND SAY IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A THIRD OF THE HOURS. IN THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE 50%. BY THE END SIX MONTHS, YOU HAVE TO BE AT 75%. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST TELL PEOPLE ON A DIME, OH, YOU -- IT IS OUR FAULT FOR NOT ADDRESS IT, RIGHT.

I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS

IT WITH THE QUART FOR MONTHS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: REALLY NOT OUR FAULT, JUDGE. NOT OUR FAULT NOT TO ADDRESS IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JULIE HAS BEEN TRYING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO THE GRACE OF US THAT WE -- LET ME KEEP ON MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. I SEE THE SHEET.

VACATION LEAVE BALANCE AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND IF I AM READING THIS RIGHT. THE TOTAL LIABILITY IS $1.9

MILLION? >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE 240 LIMIT LIABILITY IS 125 AND THE VARIANCE 6:36. IF WE APPROVE THIS 636,000

ADDITIONAL LIABILITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: POTENTIAL.

PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE A BOOKED FIGURE.

>> NOT A EX-SENSE OR MEANS. POTENTIAL LIABILITY.

SOME SHAREHOLDER ALSO LOOK AT THIS ADVERSELY IF THEY WANT TO MOVE HERE OR A BOND ISSUE MAY LOOK AT THIS AND SAY WHY ARE YOU NOT HAVING YOUR STAFF TAKE VACATION OR SICK LEAVE BECAUSE VACATION LIABILITY SEEMS HIGHER. AND THAT IS THE ONLY REASON -- IF THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR SAYS WE CLOSE OUR DOORS IMMEDIATELY.

WE WOULD OWE $179 MILLION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF EVERYBODY QUIT TOMORROW, IT WOULD BE -- 1.9 MILLION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEY LOSE HOURS.

YES, THEY DO. >> THE POLICY SAYS IF YOU LEAVE,

WE PAY YOU 96 HOURS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CARRY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU LOSE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DON'T LOSE THE MONEY BUT A BOOKED LIABILITY THAT IS ON THERE.

YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS. WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR THOUGHT ON THIS. WE ASKED FOR YOU TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION AND I HAVEN'T HEARD.

>> I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO CARRY OVER.

>> I AM ASKING IDAY. >> SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE

ASKING ME. >> LOOK INTO OTHER COUNTIES AND THE COUNTIES HAVE A CAP. THEY ARE BETWEEN 240, 120.

I LOOKED AT DIFFERENT COUNTIES. IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE A CAP. AND JUST TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT THE POLICY SAYS. IT IS A FISCAL IMPACT.

I ALREADY SHARED A DOCUMENT WITH EVERYBODY IT'S -- AND I EXPLAINED ALREADY. SAY PAY 96 HOURS.

WHAT IS HAPPENING THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE TAKING VACATION TIME. SO THEY HAVE TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS. SO IT IS COSTING YOU.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS, YOU KNOW. WE CAN LOOK INTO IT, BUT, I MEAN, IT'S -- IT'S MY OBLIGATION JUST TO STATE THE FACTS.

IT IS A FISCAL IMPACT. I USE -- ONE NEVER RECOMMEND TO REMOVE THE CAP FROM THE POLICY. AND EVEN -- WE SAY, OKAY, TAKE THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS. IT IS GOING TO COST YOU.

BECAUSE WE HAVE POTENTIALLY A COST OF LIVING INCREASE.

I MEAN THOSE ARE FACTS AND I PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION

ABOUT IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT IF WE ACTUALLY SET FORTH -- I -- I THINK THE CAP IS A GOOD IDEAL IDEA.

THAT IS A SMART FISCAL THING. THE PROBLEM IS COMING OUT OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC THREE WEEKS BEFORE YOUR 30 DAYS IS OVER, WE KNOW THAT DEPARTMENTS THAT COULD NOT GIVE ANY TIME OFF OTHERWISE

-- >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, A LOT OF THEM WORKED AT HOME. I DON'T AGREE ANYMORE.

YOU ARE LOSING THAT WITH US. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHAT THE DISTRICT CLERK -- THE FOLKS THAT HAVE WOKE FOR AND COME AND SPOKEN TO IT BEFORE. I AM RELAYING TO YOU WHAT THEY

SAID THEY COULDN'T TAKE OFF. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE BEEN BACK TO WORK NOW QUITE A WHILE AND WHEN WE WEREN'T AT WORK, THEY WERE AT HOME. WHEN WORKING AT HOME THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN VACATION. PROBABLY SAVING IT UP.

I DON'T FAULT ANYBODY FOR THAT. BUT AT SOME POINT -- EVERY TIME.

THIS IS EVERY YEAR. AGAIN I AM MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE JAILERS BECAUSE I KNOW THEY ARE DOWN MORE THAN ANYBODY, LIKE, EVER. I CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT.

IN FACT HAD THIS BEEN LIKE -- WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, SEPARATED THE LAST TIME, I WOULD HAVE VOTED WITHOUT QUESTION TO DO IT FOR THE SHERIFF OFFICERS AND PAUSE ON THE REST BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE KEEP DOING THIS.

MY GOSH, WE ADDED VACATION DAYS. TALKING OF A COLA.

WE HAVE DONE SO MUCH FOR THESE EMPLOYEES AND ROLLED OVER STUFF

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REPEATEDLY AND EVERY TIME WE ROLL OVER GET ANOTHER ASK AND ANOTHER ASK AND ANOTHER ASK. SOMEBODY HAS TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, OKAY, AT SOME POINT.

NOT -- NOT THIS YEAR -- NO REALLY GOING TO BE A STOPPING POINT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS BECAUSE NOT FAIR AND I AGREE WE SHOULDN'T BE BUSTING THESE CAPS EVERY TEAM WE TURN AROUND.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE THE THIRD OR FOURTH YEAR IN A ROW.

WE HAD IT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. WE HAD IT AFTER THE PANDEMIC.

WE HAD IT DURING THE PANDEMIC. SO THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGN OF STOPPAGE EVER. I WILL TELL YOU --

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: JULIE, WHO WAS THE HR PERSON BEFORE YOU? I AM TOO IG TO REMEMBER.

I WAS HERE. >> ELSA SIGNS.

>> SHE WAS HR? >>JUDGE CANALES: BEFORE SHE WENT TO PURCHASING, SHE WAS HR DIRECTOR.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I REMEMBER I WAS WORKING IN PUBLIC WORKS OR MAINTENANCE. I USED TO GET NOTICES THAT YOU HAVE TO MANY HOURS OF VACATION TIME.

YOU KNEELED -- YOU NEED TO TAKE TIME OR LOSE IT.

>> IT IS ON EVERYBODY'S CHECK STUB.

EVERY OTHER SHOWS YOU HOW MANY HOURS YOU HAVE FOR

VACATION. >> DOES IT TELL THEM YOU HAVE TO

TAKE IT. >> IT DOESN'T TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT, NO, SIR. OF COURSE OF THE POLICY SAYS THAT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH MANAGEMENT.

SO BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEE AND MANAGEMENT, THAT IS WHO SCHEDULES PEOPLE'S TIME OFF. SO, NO, SIR, NOTHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT OTHER THAN CHECK STUB THEY GET BIWEEKLY.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I REMEMBER I USED TO GET A NOTICE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN. I WOULD LEAK TO SEE THAT -- A COUPLE OF THINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXCLUDE LAW ENFORCEMENT, OKAY.

BECAUSE THERE ARE SHORTAGE AND STATEWIDE AND PROBABLY NATION ALLEY AND CERTAINLY ENOUGH DATA-BASED THAT THESE ARE SHORTAGES AND INTO WAY TO HAVE A FUNCTIONING JAIL OR JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER.PEOPLE ARE GONE.

BEING ABLE TO MANAGE THAT AND GIVING NOTICE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MANAGE IT AT LEAST GIVES THEM THAT CHOICE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOO, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NEXT PART, IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS.

>> BY DECEMBER # 1. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUY DECEMBER # -- BY DECEMBER 31. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY 50% FOR ITS

HOURS TO BE USED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. I AM TALKING ABOUT OTHER -- I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING LAW ENFORCEMENT.

LAW ENFORCEMENT IS -- IT IS -- I WAS GOING TO SAY KNEW THE MOTION WILL BE TO EXEMPT LAW ENFORCEMENT RIGHT NOW AND WITHIN 30 DAYS I WANT LAW ENFORCEMENT TO WORK WITH HR TO BRING ME

SOMETHING VIABLE. >> ROLL ALL OF THEM OVER FOR RIGH RIGHT NOW AND COME BACK WITH A

PLAN HOW TO USE THAT UP. >> I WANT LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ROLL OVER. 30 DAYS.

WITHIN 30 DAYS THAT THEY WORK WITH 234U8NR TO BRING US A PLAN TO BE VOTED ON. CIVIL SERVICE A DIRECTIVE FROM

THE COURT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FISCAL

YEAR. >> CALENDAR YEAR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL STAY CARRY OVER UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR SO PEOPLE WILL TAKE VACATION AND TECH 50% OF THEIR

HOURS. >> OVER THE 240.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OVER THE 240. THEY WILL HAVE TO USE THAT BY

THE END OF THE YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEN WE

PAY THE 50%. >> NO, SIR.

NEVER PAID OUT UNLESS SOMEBODY LEAVES.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: START ACCUMULATING AGAIN.

>> ON OCTOBER 1, IT CONTINUES ANYTHING OVER THE 250 THEN THAT

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WOULD BE 50%. THE REMAINDER 50% NEEDS TO HAVE -- IDAY NEEDS TO GO TO DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SAY WHAT IS REALISTIC HERE TO BURN OTHER 50%.

BYQ 1. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CARRYING

EVERYBODY OVER. >> CAR EVERYTHING OVER BY Q 1.

A POTENTIAL LIABLE. NOT A REAL LIABILITY.

A POTENTIAL LIABILITY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT A LIABILITY. HOLD ON A SECOND THOUGH A BOOKED 4R50IB89. A BOOKED LIABILITY.

>> LET'S BE CLEAR TO THE AVERAGE PERSON.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A BOOK LIABILITY THAT IS SHOWN ON OUR BALANCE SHEET. SHOWS ON OUR LEDGERS AND SHOW THAT WE HAVE A LIABILITY OF THIS AMOUNT.

THE REAL LIABILITY AS I OPERATE. IF IT IS A LIABILITY ON MY BOOKS, A LIABILITY THAT COUNTS AGAINST MY EARNING POTENTIAL.

MY BORROWING POTENTIAL AND COUNTS ON EVERYTHING.

TELL ME IF THAT IS WRONG, BUT A BOOKED LIABILITY.

>> BUT COMMISSIONER, YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE THAT AND WEIGH IT AGAINST HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE WOULD NOT WORK THERE ANYMORE.

ALWAYS RECEIVABLE. IF YOU RESIGN OR RETIRE TOMORROW, YOU GET TO LEAVE WITH 96 HOURS.

THEREFORE WHEN I ■SAYS IT A POTENTIAL LIABILITY AND A BOOKED ONE, IT IS A HYPOTHETICAL NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA REALLY WHAT IT IS BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY 10 PEOPLE LEAVE US FOR INSTANCE AND WILL ONLY BE ENTITLED TO IT THE 96 HOURS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT A PIE POE THETICAL.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CALL THIS A HYPOTHETICAL AND NOT REAL LIABI LIABILITY.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF THE LIABILITY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OF COURSE WE DO BECAUSE DALE PROVIDED IT TO US. BASED UPON AJUMPSES.

BASED EVERYBODY NOBODY LEAVING US.

>> THE SICK LEAVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: AT A CERTAIN

TIME. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF WE DO THAT ADDITIONAL 636,552 OF REAL BOOKED NOT REAL HYPOTHETICAL

LEEBLT. >> NOT MONEY YOU ARE PAYING OUT.

TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SAY A LIABILITY WHEN YOU GO ON

VACATION, YOU FAY THEM. >> ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS TODAY. THIS IS A REAL LIABILITY.

THESE ARE REAL DOLLARS THAT IF WE ROLL THIS OVER AND THIS HE PAGE ALL THEIR VACATION, WE PAY THEM.

THAT MEANS WE ARE GIVING THEM MONEY TO LEAVE FOR SO COME ON.

LET'S NOT SAY A REAL LIABILITY. MONEY IN, MONEY OUT.

REAL DOLLARS THAT ABSOLUTELY GET PAID.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IN MY OPINION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOUR WRONG OPINION WITH ALL DUE RESPECTS.

THE AUDITOR SAY AS LIABILITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: A BOOK

LIABILITY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT A BOOK LIABILITY JUDGE. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- YOU ARE AS SMART A PERSON THAT I EVER MET IN MY LIFE AND YOU ARE ARGUING FACT MONEY IN MONEY OUT REAL LIABILITY. IT IS.

IT IS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TELL THAT YOU OUR GOAL HERE IS TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT GOOD FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND WE NEED TO KEEP THE CAPS AND ADDRESS THE SITUATION THAT AUGMENTED TO THE HIGHEST.

AND ONE THING FOR CONNIE. ANOTHER THING FOR EMMA AND ANOTHER THING FOR FRANCISCO. IT IS INDIVIDUAL.

BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS TWO FACTORS, ONE IS LAW ENFORCEMENT

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SING CHIEF COOK CAME IN. I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS GOING TO COMMENT BUT A MISTAKE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT COULD IMPACT YOUR JAIL AT THE.WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE SMART ABOUT IT AND CARRY LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN THEY BRING A PLAN FOR THE NEXT 30 DAYS WE CAN STILL CANCEL THAT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN STILL CANCEL IT. BUT TO NOT DO THAT IMPACTS YOUR JAIL WHEN WE ARE ALREADY IN NONCOMPLIANCE BECAUSE OF PERSONNEL ISSUES. THE RATIO BETWEEN -- BETWEEN CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS AND THE JAIL CREATE PROBLEMS IN OUR HOLDING AND -- JUST IMPACTS EVERYTHING.

SO, AGAIN, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ONE SSIDE THE PEOPLE ARE ANOTHE.

IF YOU TELL THEM IMMEDIATELY YOU LOST ALL THE EDUCATION AND NO TIME IN THE FISCAL YEAR TO TAKE IT, YOU WILL HAVE MASS EXODUS FOR THE NEXT 30 DAYS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE SENSIBLE. GIVE THEM UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR TO USE IT. A SENSIBLE, COMMONSENSE RATIONALE. I WISH WE WOULD DON'T 50%.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU WOULD GET A MUCH BETTER A MUCH BETTER RESPONSE FROM THE PEOPLE WORKING HERE, BUT WHY DON'T WE TAKE INTO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CATEGORY. I DID TRY TO REACH HIM, BUT I

DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE. >> I UNDERSTAND HE IS IN A

MEETING. >>JUDGE CANALES: I UNDERSTAND.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MUCH WOULD THE LAW ENFORCEMENT LIABILITY, REAL LIABILITY COST US?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER SINCE THAT IS WHAT WE ASKED FOR LAST

WEEK. >> ABOUT 240,000.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OUT OF THE 600. ALMOST A THIRD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AS I SAID I THINK CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO EXTEND.

BUT WE HAVE GOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN STILL EVEN -- FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DOING THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A BENEFIT. IT IS NOT PART OF THE SALARY, IT IS A AGAIN FIT AND WE CAN'T KEEP PAYING FOR IT BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT COST US. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND I KNOW THEY ARE NOT HERE. TO ADDRESS THIS SO THEY DON'T COME BACK AND ASK NEXT YEAR EITHER IF POSSIBLE.

SO THERE IS SOME PLAN. AIM HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT IF WE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT THIS DOESN'T KEEP GETTING ASKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THIS IS THE REASON WHY MORE SUPPORTIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE UP TO. 95 PEOPLE SHORT.

MAYBE MAKE THE MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS

GOING TO ASK TO IT WITH A PLAN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN YOU

REPEAT THE MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: A CARRY OVER WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH THE CAVEAT WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS OR SOONER IF THEY WANT TO COME SOONER TO AT THE VICE A PLAN HOW TO DO BOTH. MINIMIZE BOOKED LIABILITY AND HELP. AND THIS WAS THE MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY HAVE TO WOMAN BACK WITH A PLAN 30 DAYS AND FAIR ASSESSMENT OF YOUR MOTION?

>>JUDGE CANALES: A REALLY GOOD PLAN FOR ROLL OVER HOURS.

>> YOUR AGENDA ITEM IS TO SUSP SUSPEND. ONLY TO BE TO SUSPEND FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. SUSPENDING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT

ONLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: CHIEF, I AM DOING GOOD. CHIEF, WHILE YOU WERE WALKING OVER HERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR USING -- USING KARA'S GOOD

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WORDS. >> FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY.

>> TO SUSPEND THE MAXIMUM ACCRUAL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION TO SUSPEND THE MAXIMUM ACCRUAL HOURS AND WITHIN 0 DAYS ARE YOU GUYS COME AND SHARE WITH US MAYBE WHAT PLAN MIGHT HELP KEEP YOUR WORKFORCE AND HELP ADDRESS THE LIABILITY THAT BE KEEP ROLLING OVER CAUSES US.

>> MY THOUGHT IS HAVING BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE WHEN I WAS ASSIGNED TO THE CCPD. I WORKED ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING TEAM. AS THE UNION MEMBER IS IF YOU KEEP THE DRAG UP THE SAME, YOU ARE NOT THE BIGGEST UNFUNDED LIABILITY IS LET THEM DRY UP WHEN THEY LEAVE.

I AM NOT SURE ABOUT WHERE THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE IF YOU LET KEEP IT ON THE BOOKS AND NOT LETTING THEM TAKE ANY MORE WITH THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE THAN YOU PRESENTLY HAVE. NOW I REALIZE THERE IS A COST IN PRODUCTIVITY, ABOUT YOU THEIR TIME IS THEIR TIME.

AND IF WE PERMIT THEM TO TAKE IT, YES, WE MAY LOSE THAT PRODUCTIVITY FOR THE DAY BUT EITHER PAY THEM FOR THE DAY TO WORK OR PAY THEM FOR THE DAY TO BE OFF.

THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY EITHER W

WAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PAYING THEM TO BE OFF. THAT IS THE EXPENSE IS THAT.

>> BUT YOU ARE LOSE IT IN PRODUCTIVITY.

BUT THE POINT IS IT IS NOT ANY MORE EXPENSE OR CHARGING ANY MORE TO THE BUDGET YOU ARE BUDGETED FOR THAT SALARY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WERE PAY IT OUT OF VACATION OR PAYING FOR THEM TO BE THERE. YOU ARE NOT PAYING OUT ANYMORE AND A COST IN PRODUCTIVITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A LIABILITY ON THE BOOKS.

VACATION IS A BENEFIT, RIGHT. IF YOU PAY THEM TO GO AND SIT AT HOME AND DO NOTHING, A BENEFIT THAT IS COSTING US MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING THEM TO DO NOTHING.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A PRODUCTIVITY ISSUE AND MORE HOLES AND MORE GAPS. THE DISCUSSION WHEN YOU WEREN'T HERE, THE AUDITOR SAYS A LIABILITY ON OUR BOOKS THAT COST US MONEY WHEN WE PAY PEOPLE TO GO ON VACATION.

>> AS A MANAGER -- I SEE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM, COMMISSIONER. AS A MANAGER, I DON'T IT THAT WAY. NOT AN ADDITIONAL COST.

COSTING YOU THE SAME AMOUNT IF THEY COME TO WORK OR NOT COME TO WORK. THE COST IS THE PRODUCTIVITY.

THAT IS WHERE THE COST IS. NOW WE DON'T AUTHORIZE VACATION.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF I HAVE THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN AND WORK A SHIFT OR TWO PEOPLE SCHEDULED TO WORK A SHIFT.

I AM NOT GETTING THAT TIME OFF. WE AS MANAGERS HAVE TO EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THAT TIME BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, COMMISSIONER. I HAVE TO DISAGREE.

I DON'T SEE AN UNFUNDED LIABILITY.

THE TIME THEY ARE CONTINUING TO BUILD, IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO DRAG IT OFF. THAT IS SIGNIFICANT.

A SIGNIFICANT COST. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AGREE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: EXPLAIN FROM A LIABILITY DIDN'T SINCE HE IS DISAGREEING AND I WANT HIM TO UNDERSTAND IT IS ON ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES, NOT AGREE OR DISAGREE.

>> WE BUDGET 100% OF YOUR SALARY VACATION, SICK LEAVE, NO ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE IF YOU WILL YEAR.

OUR PROBABILITY FOR A REGARDING BOOKS REQUIRED BY LAW OF THE BALANCES OF WHAT WE CONSIDER COMPENSATED ABSENCES AND POTENTIAL LIABILITY OF WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE IF WE HAD TO PAY 100% OF IT. DOESN'T MEAN ADDITIONAL COSTS BUT WHAT OUR POTENTIAL LIABILITY IS FOR THIS.

SAYING IF WE PAY IT FOR VACATION, SICK LEAVE OR REGULAR HOURS THE SAME FOR THE EMPLOYEE. PRODUCTIVITY LOST.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AGREE WITH YOU, CHIEF.

WE ARE HAVING A DIFFICULTY TIME. THE GOOD NEWS.

AT LEAST COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND I AGREE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE 30 DAYS TO PUT IT ON A WHITE BOARD OR ROUND TABLE.

CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT? >> YES, MA'AM, I CERTAINLY CAN

LIVE WITH THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WILL GIVE

US SOME TIME. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION IS SO SUSPEND AND GIVE US 30 DAYS TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF PLAN SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS OVER AND OVER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL WORK WITH YOU.

>> ABSOLUTELY, MAN. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE LONGER WE WAIT, WE WILL PAY MORE MONEY DO THE RAISES.

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WHATEVER WE DO THE MONEY GOES UP THE ISSUE THAT YOU WILL BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN NEXT YEAR BASICALLY IT HAS INCREASED.

>> I HER YOU COMMISSIONER, BUT MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS THAT THE COUNTY HAS ALLOWED -- ALLOWED THE EMPLOYEES TO ROLL IT OVER BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT.

IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING AND THE REASON.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THE UNDERSTANDING, CHIEF AND YOU WEREN'T HERE. FOR THREE YEARS THEY COME TO US AND ASK US. WE NEED YOUR HELP.

WE NEED TO ROLL IT OVER. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THE GUYS AND MAKE IT WORK AND DO IT DIFFERENTLY.

THE GUYS WILL GET THEIR VACATION AND HAVEN'T HAPPENED.

FOR THREE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT.

>> YES, SIR SI TOLD JOE. AND I AM NOT BLAMING.

A TOUGH JOB. CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM. AT ONE POINT DO WE STOP OVER HE HERE.

>> I KNOW YOUR COSTS. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT HAVE NOT CHANGED THAT. STAYS THE SAME.

YOU CAN'T DRAG UP ANY MORE TIME THAN USED TO.

SAY SOMEBODY HAD 800 HOURS VACATION ON THE BOOKS.

DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN DRAG UP 800 HOURS.

WHAT IS THE LIMIT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THEM WHEN THEY TAKE IT.

>> AGAIN, I DISAGREE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GET IT THAT YOU DISAGREE BUT NOT WHAT THE COUNTY SAYS.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: PAYING $15 AN HOUR.

THREE YEARS LATER, FOUR YEARS LATER $25 AN HOUR.

>> YEAH, WHETHER IT IS 96 OR 100, THEY CAN HAVE 96 AND 102, THE MAX WE ARE GOING TO PAY AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE IT -- THEY WILL NOT LOSE OVER 102. IF THEY HAVE 102 ON THE BOOKS AND COME TIME TO USE IT OR LOSE IT, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE 102 ON THE BOOKS. WILL NOT TAKE THEM BACK DOWN

BELOW THAT AMOUNT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK HONESTLY ONLY IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

I REALLY THINK THERE IS A MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE MAYBE COULD RESOLVE IF WE CAN HAVE A BIG MEE MEETING BECAUSE IT IS -- I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WILL DO IT AND ROLL OVER LAW ENFORCEMENT RIGHT NOW AND COME BACK IN 30 DAYS AND WORK WITH DALE OR YOUR OFFICERS -- HOLD ON, I HAVE MAJOR HANDS UP. HOLD THE THOUGHT FOR THE 30 DAYS. SERGEANT GONZALEZ AND THEN SCOTT CROSS. DID YOU FUN IS MUTE, SERGEANT

GONZALEZ. >> UNMUTED.

>> THIS IS CAPTAIN GONZALEZ. I KNOW THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED THE ROLLOVER FOR THE PREVIOUS YEARS WITH THE EXPECTATIONS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THE VACATION; HOWEVER, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, OUR MAN POWER SITUATION HAS GOTTEN WORSE. WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO SUSPEND THAT TIME AND BET US COME UP WITH A PLAN.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE MAN POWER SITUATION HAVEN'T IMPROVED.

AND I WOULD VENTURE TO AGREE WITH CHIEF COOK THAT THE MAXIMUM IS 102. THAT COST DOESN'T -- EVEN IF YOU DON'T ROLL OVER, IT REMAINS THE SAME.

NO ADDITIONAL COST. THE SALARY OF THE OFFICER IS BOOKED THE SAME WHETHER HE TAKES VACATION OR NOT.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT CHIEF COOK --

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF WE ARE GOING TO KEEP DOING THIS.

THEN WE ARE GOING TO KEEP DOING THIS.

IDAY, IS THERE ADDITIONAL COST? >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL COST.

>> IT IS A LIABILITY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY.

RIGHT. THEY SAY, NO, PAY JUST 96 HOURS FOR THE POLICY. THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY ACCUMULATE #00 HOURS. YOU ARE GOING TO PAY THEM 96 HOURS. THIS HAPPENS WHEN THEY ARE ABOUT TO RETIRE. THE EMPLOYEES WHAT IS HAPPENING, THEY DECIDE TO TAKE VACATION. NOT PART OF THE SALARY, A

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DIFFERENCE. WE CAN PULL THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SALARY AND THE BENEFIT. IT IS COSTLY.

THE COUNTY IS PAYING THIS BENEFIT AND COSTING YOU MONEY.

WE ARE SEEING IT BECAUSE EVERY YEAR DALE REPORTED A $2 MILLION EXPENSE ON VACATION. EXPENSE.

NO IMAGINARY LIABILITY. IT IS A REAL EXPENSE THAT WE

HAVE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TELL US HOW THAT EXPENSE WORKS. SINCE IT IS NOT A LIABILITY.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. YOU HAVE TO BOOK IT.

LET'S SEE, THE POLICY SAYS 240 HOURS.

THE LAW AND THE -- THE ACCOUNTING STANDARDS.

THEY ARE TELLING YOU YOU HAVE TO BOOK THAT LIABILITY.

THAT LIABILITY IS, WHAT, SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL PAY IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT. SO YOU SAID THAT EXPENSE.

YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THE LIABILITY.

ONCE THIS EMPLOYEE IS TAKINGS THE VACATION.

A REDUCTION OF THE LIABILITY AND YOU ARE PAYING FOR THAT.

THAT IS HOW IT WORKS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: EXACTLY.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD LIKE TO DEBATE THIS FURTHER, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE BENEFITS THAT AN EMPLOYEE HAS ARE THE 20%.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR SALARY, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHTS.

SALARIES HERE. WHY EVERY BUDGETED SALARY YOU GO, WAIT A MINUTE, DID YOU ADD YOUR BENEFITS? WHEN YOU HAVE SALARY AN BENEFITS.

IF I TAKE 30 DAYS OF VACATION STRAIGHT.

THOSE ARE DAYS THAT I AM NOT HERE BUT YOU ARE NOT REPLACING ME. WHY? BECAUSE I AM STILL NOT AN EMPLOYEE.

THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO PAY ME CASH FOR, HARD COLD CASH OUT OF OUR TREASURY WHEN I LEAVE HERE AND YOU OWE ME 96 OR 102 DEPENDING. RIGHT? I CAN ONLY LEAVE HERE WITH ONE OR THE OTHER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHEN YOU TAKE VACATION, YOU GET PAID.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM STILL AN EMPLOYEE AND YOU OWE IT TO ME.

YOU ARE NOT GIVING ME AN EXTRA PAYCHECK.

YOU ARE JUST NOT HERE. YOU ARE NOT BEING REPLACED.

IF YOU WERE DOUBLE DIPPING AND TAKING VACATION AND YOU HAD TO HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

BUT DOESN'T MAKE IT. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU WE SEE IT DIFFERENTLY AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND IF IT HAD BEEN A CONTINGENT LIABILITY THAT WE WOULD SEE IT IN EVERY SINGLE.

SEEN IT IN EVERY BUDGET BOOK BEFORE US CONTINGENT LIABILITY.

>> DALE, INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR VACATION.

>> YOU DON'T INCREASE THE BUDGET.

IT IS A BENEFIT. WHEN YOU ARE REPORTING -- REMEMBER, YOU HAVE BUDGET IS WHY YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL -- HAPPEN SEPTEMBER 30. THESE ARE YOUR ACTUAL NUMBERS.

YOUR REAL FUND BALANCE. IT IS THERE WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO SEE IT. THE REAL NUMBER.

BUDGET IS SOMETHING YOU ARE EXPECTING.

EXPECTING TO HAVE SO MUCH REVENUE.

THAT IS HOW IT WORKS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BUDGET AND PAYMENTS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

I HAVE A LAWSUIT. MY LAWSUIT HAS A CONTINGENT LIABILITY OF $2 MILLION. IS IT BOOKED?

>> YES, YOU HAVE TO BOOK. >>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU HAVE TO

PAY IT OR POTENTIAL DEPENDING -- >> WE ARE TALKING OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SOMEONE A LAWSUIT AND TALKING ABOUT VACATION. THE LAWSUIT -- IT FOLLOWS THE DIFFERENT SET OF RULES. THIS IS JUST VACATION.

I AM NOT -- IT IS DIFFERENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ISSUE IS WHETHER THE $600,000 IS A NUMBER -- MIGHT HAVE TO BE REPORTED AS WHAT S IS YOUR OVERALL. THAT IS THE VALUE.

THE ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLE, BUT IN REAL LLIFE IF 100 PEOPLE.

OWE EACH OF THOSE PEOPLE. HOW MANY HOURS.

WAIT SECOND. LET ME ASK MY QUESTION.

IF EACH OF THEM HAD 1,000 HOURS, THEY WOULD ONLY OWE 90 UPON SEPARATION. HERE IS THE OTHER ISSUE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS IF THEY LEAVE JUMGZ JUDGE THAT

IS WHAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF THEY STAY. IF THEY STAY, YOU HAVE TO PAY

FOR ALL OF THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU DON'T PAY.

>> I HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: USE YOUR MIC.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I MEAN WE ARE GOING -- WE ARE -- LET'S

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JUST DISAGREE TO AGREE. >> VACATION CARE WHETHER YOU -- WHETHER YOU WORK IT OR DON'T WORK IT.

IT IS IN THE BUDGET. IT IS SET FOR THE BUDGET FOR THE ENTER YEAR. AND NOT GOING TO COST THE COUNTY ANYMORE IF YOU WORK IT OR DON'T WORK IT THAT DAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HAVE TO BOOK IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ROLL OVER THE LAW ENFORCEMENT HOURS. THAT DOES NOT INCREASE THE 96 HOURS OR 102 FOR THEM TO ROLL OVER THEIR HOURS AND THIS HAVE EMTHIS AM BACK IN 30 DAYS WITH SOME PLAN TO HAVE US NOT HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN POSSIBLY, MAYBE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS MY MOTION.

HE IS SECONDED IT. THAT IS FINE.

SCOTT CROSS WANTS TO WEIGH IN. >> YEAH, REAL QUICK AND THEN I HAVE TO GO AND YOU CAN SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH COMMISSIONER CHES CHESNEY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HANG ON. >> I CAN GET MINE DOWN PRETTY GOOD BY THE END -- I HOPE BY THE END OF THE YEAR I AM PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD TO HAVE THAT SITUATION NONE OF MY OTHER EMPLOYEES DO. SPEAKING TO YOU FROM A DEPARTMENT HEAD PERSPECTIVE, WE NEVER SHUT DOWN.

NO FURLOUGHS. NOBODY WORKED FROM HOME.

CRED WINTER STORM AND HURRICANE HANNA.

EVERYTHING IS GOING ON. I CAN'T -- I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD TO TACK ANY EXTENDED TIME OFF.

I LOVE TO. IF YOU TOLD ME I COULD DO IT, I WOULD CLOSE MY OFFICE AND WON'T COME AWAY UNTIL OCTOBER 1.

I WILL LEAVE A LOT OF STUFF HANGING THAT.

>> YOU'LL LOSE. YOU WILL LOSE WHEN EVERYBODY

WALKS OUT FROM DECEMBER 1. >> I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

I CAN TAKE SMALL CHUNKS AND TIME TO WORK IT.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WON'T PUT YOU IN A SITUATION AGAIN.

IT HAS BEEN A COUPLE WEIRD COUPLE TWO OR THREE YEARS PLUS ALL THESE MAJOR PROJECTS. I CAN'T LEAVE THEM.

I CAN'T LEAVE THEM. I HAVE MY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FIXING TO RETIRE AND THROW EVEN MORE ON MY PLATE.

ANYHOW, I GOT TO GET DOWN ON THE BEACH.

I UNDERSTAND. >>JUDGE CANALES: I UNDERSTAND, PLEASE TAKE CARE. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

KARA, YOU ARE GOING TO TRY TO CLARIFY.

>> THE FIRST ONE IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION

TO SUSPEND. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU PROBABLY

ARE RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES,

THAT IS THE MOTION. >> SO YOU JUST WANT TO WORD IT THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND TO THEM WHICH IS AND

COULD BE LAW ENFORCEMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS THE RIGHT VERBIAGE. THE WORDS ARE SUSPEND MAXIMUM ACCRUAL HOURS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> ONLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: AT THIS TIME.

THAT IS IT IS JUST MY MOTION AND WITH THE 30-DAY PLAN.

WE HAVEN'T DEALT WITH THE OTHER --

>> BUT THE 38 PLAN, YOU DON'T WANT TO TTELL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> IT WILL BE 3 AND 4, KARA. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT I WANT TO DO, KARA, DEAL WITH IT # AND 4 FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT CAN BE VOTED UP AND DOWN.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW PEOPLE UNDER THE OTHER RULES. WOULD THAT BE THE PERSONNEL

POLICY MANUAL. >> FALL UNDER BOTH POLICIES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE OTHERS THAT FALL IN ACCORDINGLY TO EITHER CIVIL SERVICE OR PERSONNEL POLICY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT CONSIDERED TO GO TO DECEMBER 31 SO THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO USE THESE HOURS. AND HONESTLY A BAD IDEA BECAUSE THE 50% RULE MAKES SENSE TO ME DISH DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE DONE THE RIGHT ANALYSIS. FIZZILY, IF I THOUGHT THAT WAS RIGHT, I WOULD BE RIGHT WITH YOU.

IF I THOUGHT IT, I WOULD BE WITH YOU AND DON'T SEE IT.

TO GET US WHERE WE WANT TO GO, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE COMPROMISE OF GETTING US THROUGH DECEMBER AND THIS WILL REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE THOSE HOURS.

I THINK IT WILL BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT ON MOST OF OUR EMPL EMPLOYEES AND WE CAN TRY THAT AS

A COMPROMISE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DECEMBER 31 TO USE A LIMITED OF TIME TO USE THE

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ROLLED OVER HOURS. A AKRULD SUSPENSION FOR A LIMIT.

EVERYBODY ELSE. NONLAW ENFORCEMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: EVERYBODY ELSE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ROLL OVER UNTIL DECEMBER TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE.

IF THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST INTEGRAL.

IF THEY SAID I WANT TO TALK VACATION TOMORROW, THEIR MANAGER IS GOING TO SAY -- OR WEDNESDAY, WILL SAY I CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE I NEED YOU IN COURT ON WEDNESDAY. JUST LIKE WHAT CHIEF COOK SAID, WE LIKE TO GIVE IT BUT CAN'T GIVE IT.

THAT IS WHAT IS HANG TO EMPLOYEES.

THEIR DEPARTMENT AND SUPERVISORS ARE SAYING NO.

I WANT TO CREATE A DIRECTION AND POLICY TO GET A TON OF OFFERS -- OFFERS? NO, HOURS OFF THE BOOKS TO GIVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY PLAN A VACATION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: STILL THE SAME COST SO WE ARE CLEAR.

SAME LIABILITY. WHOEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

WHATEVER THAT TERM. >>JUDGE CANALES: I GOT TO -- IF YOU GIVE ME ONE WEEK THAT I WILL TO YOUS THAT IT IS NOT MAT MATH CAL INACCURATE. I WILL SHOW YOU WHY IT IS NOT ACCURATE BASED ON DATA. I DON'T HAVE TIME TODAY AND I

DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO HEAR IT. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHY

DON'T WE GO TO A FOUR-DAY WEEK. >>JUDGE CANALES: A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT.

>> CAN YOU VOTE ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT -- YOU DIDN'T VOTE.

YOU HAD A FIRST AND SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. YOU ARE RIGHT KARA.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK YOU, KARA.

THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT. LOOK, WE ARE ALMOST TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND SOME THIS IS THE LAST ONE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

AND I THINK IT GIVES US AT LEAST AN OPPORTUNITY.

AND I WOULD SAY A MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, AND I WOULD LOOK FOR

A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MAREZ.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ABSTAINED.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I AM A NO ON IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE ONE ABSTENTION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I'M CONFUSED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: A ROLL OVER UNTIL DECEMBER ONLY.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT?

>>JUDGE CANALES: NO, SIR, THE REST OF THEM.

LAW ENFORCEMENT WE DID AND EVERYBODY SAID YES.

THIS IS A ROLLOVER UNTIL DECEMBER

[4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.]

551-071, 2, 3, 7.45, 8 AND.7. FOR CON SOUL WITH REAL MATTER, TERMINATION, SECURITY DEVICES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ETC., AND OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED AND NOTICED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL COME BACK OUT INTO COMMISSIONERS COURT AFTERWARDS IN OPEN SESSION.

WE WILL TAKE ANY APPLICATION THAT IS DEEMED APPROPRIATE.

WE WILL ASK ALL TO CLEAR THE COURT ROOM THAT SHOULD NOT BE HERE, AS WELL AS ONLINE. WE WILL LET YOU BACK IN WHEN WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR -- OUR DE-- DELIBERATIONS.

THE TIME IS 3:37 P.M. AND CONNIE, JUST.

SGLI

>>JUDGE CANALES: 5:10. WE HAVE ALREADY GONE PAST OUR ALLOCATED 5 P.M. I WILL SAY A FEW MATTERS THAT DO NEED TO HAVE US ADDRESS OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND FIRST ONE IS ON ITEM D, A CORRESPONDER.

LET ME GET YOU THAT CORRESPONDING.

IT IS 22. ITEM 22.

A MOTION, COMMISSIONERS? OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE

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THAT MOTION? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GO AHEAD, JUDGE. I WILL SECOND IT.