C. County Judge will call roll, note date, time, and location of meeting, and certify a quorum is present.

[E. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.]

KNEW -- I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT I FELT LIKE SOMETHING GREAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE MARIACHIS BUT THAT WAS A WONDERFUL SURPRISE.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE STRAIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I HAVE A SHEET AND WE ALSO HAVE A VIRTUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN. FOR THOSE OF YOU ONLINE, THE EASIEST WAY TO LET US KNOW IS TO USE THAT VIRTUAL ICON OF A HAND. I'M GOING TO CALL YOU OUT IN THE ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP. THE FIRST ONE THIS MORNING -- WE DO HAVE SOMEONE TO HELP SANITIZE.

SO IF YOU ARE NEXT TO THE PODIUM, IF YOU WOULD JUST GIVE US A MOMENT TO CLEAN? AND THEN, YOU WILL BE CALLED UP. GOSH, YOU KNOW, THESE EYES OF MINE! IS IT RONNIE BAKER?

>> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> HI.

>> A QUICK QUESTION. I PREPARED AS PER YOUR REQUIREMENTS (INDISCERNIBLE) PACKETS.WHO DO I GIVE THEM

TO? >> MS. BELINDA.

AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, IF YOU WOULD TAKE THE PODIUM? I CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE, BUT EVERYONE ONLINE --

>> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> UNLESS YOU GET TO THAT PODIUM, IT WON'T RECORD FOR ME. AND AGAIN, I SAID YOUR NAME BUT IF YOU WOULD ANNOUNCER FOR THE CLERK?> I'M RONNIE BAKER AND JUAN SALES MANAGER FOR (NAME). I COVER THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS. I SPENT 40 YEARS IN GAMING.

I BELONG TO THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS AND THE AMERICAN LEGION. I'M A VETERAN.

I COME HERE TODAY AND THE PACKET I DROPPED OFF CONSISTS OF THREE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS. ONE IS A SERIES OF NEWS RELEASES FROM NUECES COUNTY AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

THE FIRST ONE, ACTUALLY, JUDGE, QUOTES YOU WHEN IT SAYS "I WANT US TO PERMIT IT. I WANT US TO REGULATE IT.

I HOPE THE PROCESS IS SO ONEROUS THAT NO GOOD PERSON WOULD APPLY AND GET ONE OF THESE." THIS WAS WRITTEN IN 2019. THAT WAS WHEN THERE WERE 51 GAME ROOMS ACCORDING TO SHERIFF COOPER.

THERE IS NOW 100 GAME ROOMS. THE 50 NONPROFITS HERE IN NUECES COUNTY DONATE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

THEY PAY THE COUNTY AND CITY CLOSE TO 300,000 IN A PRICE FEE. WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THERE IS NO REGULATION FOR GAME ROOMS. WE HAVE BEEN BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THIS STARTS OUT WITH SHERIFF HOOVER'S PERSPECTIVE IN 2019, THAT GAME ROOMS IS A HOTBED OF ILLEGAL GAMBLING AND ALL SORTS OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.

THE OTHER DOCUMENT THAT IS IN THEIR IS A DOCUMENT ABOUT WHAT GAME ROOMS ARE. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE QUESTION COMES UP IS HOW DO WE REGULATE IT? NOBODY WANTS TO SEEM TO WANT TO PICK UP THE BALL ON ENFORCEMENT. WE PROVIDED YOU ALL WITH A GO BY FROM THE RECENTLY PASSED REGULATION FROM BELL COUNTY.

THAT'S A PERMITTING PROCESS THAT IS OVERSEEN BY THE FIRE MARSHAL. IT'S EFFECTIVELY SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS THAT JUDGE CANALIS

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REFERENCED IN 2019. SO THIS WAS JUST PAST SIX MONTHS AGO. THERE ARE NO MORE GAME ROOMS IN BELL COUNTY. SO THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES -- VICTORIA, DAMMIT COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY -- THEY ALL HAVE ENACTED REGULATIONS. WE LOST ONE COMMERCIAL BINGO HALL. WE ARE FIXING TO LOSE TWO MORE BINGO HALLS. THAT'S 20 NONPROFITS.

THEY PAY THE CITY AND THE COUNTY FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF NOT ONLY SUPPORTING THE CHARITIES, BUT SUPPORTING THE COUNTY.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER THE BELL COUNTY REGULATION AS A GO BY. JUST SCRATCH OUT BELL COUNTY AND RIGHT IN NUECES COUNTY AND WE ARE GOOD TO GO.

GOD BLESS A MERRY CHRISTMAS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM KATHLEEN WHITE.

AND FOLLOWING KATHLEEN WILL BE ARTHUR HOSS.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS KATHLEEN WHITE I LIVE AT 201 BAY RIDGE CORPUS CHRISTI.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING SMALL BUSINESSES OWNED BY THREE WOMEN HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. THEY BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE THE 1980S. WE HAVE PROVIDED A SAFE PLACE FOR SOCIAL ACTIVITIES AT WEBER BINGO FOR PEOPLE AND CITIZENS FOR YEARS. WE MIGHT GO TO DINNER PARTIES AND GALAS, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOY THE SOCIAL ACTIVITY THAT BINGO PROVIDES THEM. AND IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO A BINGO HALL, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY KNOW THAT.

BUT IF YOU COME AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS EVERY TUESDAY, YOU WILL SEE GRANDMA AND GRANDMA AND THEY PLAY AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.

WE OPEN HOURS BEFORE THE GAME STARTS SO THEY HAVE TIME TO VISIT AND PLAY AND EAT SOMETHING TOGETHER.

ANYWAY -- WE PROVIDED A JOB AND A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

WE ARE A HIGHLY REGULATED BUSINESS.

I THINK BINGO IS VERY MISUNDERSTOOD BY THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN IN IT. I DEAL WITH THE IRS IN ONE CAREER AND I DEAL WITH THE TEXAS LOTTERY COMMISSION REGULATION IN THE OTHER. THEY ARE NOT THAT FAR DIFFERENT (LAUGHING) AS WELL STOMACH FAR AS THE VOLUME OF WORLDS WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY. LIKE RONNIE SAID, WE PROVIDED TAXES BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT GETS PAID BASED UPON GROSS PRIZE MONEY. AND THE CHARITIES JUST GETS PAID FOR THE NET INCOME.VER THE HISTORY, I'VE TRIED TO ESTIMATE WHAT I THINK WE HAVE DISTRIBUTED TO CHARITIES.

I THINK IT'S IN THE RANGE OF $8 MILLION FROM THIS ONE BUSINESS ALONE. BUT LAST MONTH, THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, WAS THE LARGEST LOSS WE EVER INCURRED IN THE HISTORY OF OUR BUSINESS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SURVIVE WITHOUT SOME HELP. AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS THERE BE SOME LEVEL OF REGULATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THESE GAME ROOMS. SO THEY DON'T HAVE A FREE-FOR-ALL. I TALKED TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME WHO GO INTO THEM. THEY GET PAID OUT CASH.

IT'S NOT EVEN -- THEY DON'T EVEN TRY TO HIDE IT.

IF NUECES COUNTY DOESN'T REGULATE THEM OR ENFORCE THEM, WE ARE JUST GOING TO ATTRACT THE VERY WORST OF THOSE OPERATORS. BECAUSE THOSE WHO WANT TO OPERATE LEGAL GAME ROOMS ARE GOING TO ABIDE BY THE REGULATIONS IN OTHER COUNTIES OR NUECES COUNTY.

I THINK THAT IF THE GAME ROOMS ARE NOT REGULATED, THAT CHARITABLE BINGO WILL DISAPPEAR AS A RESULT.

THERE WILL BE MANY, MANY CHARITIES THAT WILL BE HURT.

THERE WILL BE MANY OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS -- THAT CAN GAMBLE UNLIMITED LEE -- THINK OF THE FINANCIAL LOSSES FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT HAVE A PROPENSITY TO SPEND MORE THAN THEY SHOULD IN A GAMBLING OPERATION.

AND SO, I'M JUST -- I MEAN -- WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. SINCE 2019.

I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND EXPLAIN HOW BINGO WORKS.

AND EDUCATE ANYBODY WHO NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT BINGO.

BUT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO KINDS OF OPERATIONS.ND I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT YOU ALL DO SOMETHING TO PASS A REGULATION LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER COUNTIES.

SO THAT CHARITABLE BINGO HAS A FIGHTING CHANCE TO SURVIVE IN THIS COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENDANCE TO OUR COUNTY AND OUR CITIZENS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM. AND NOW, ARTHUR HOSS FOLLOWED

BY MISS MARGARET BALDWIN. >> THANK YOU.

JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.

MY NAME IS ARTHUR HOSS I LIVE AT 3543 FLOYD.

I'M COMING TO YOU -- I REPRESENT NATIONAL LITTLE

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LEAGUE. A NUMBER OF YOU AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, UNFORTUNATELY, FOR HER SHE HAS TO PUT UP WITH COACH HOSS FOR A FEW YEARS WITH THREE OF HER SONS BUT THEY ALL SURVIVED! NATIONAL LITTLE LEAGUE HAS BEEN A BENEFACTOR OF WEBER BINGO FOR 30 YEARS.

TO THE TUNE OF OVER $800,000, WHICH ALLOWS US TO HELP ROUGHLY 450 KIDS A YEAR PLAY LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL.

NATIONAL LITTLE LEAGUE HAS BEEN WITH WEBER BINGO FOR OVER 30 YEARS.HE REVENUE, AS I SAID, CLOSE TO $800,000.

OUR CHARITABLE BINGO OPERATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THESE GAME ROOMS. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

WE COME TODAY TO ASK YOU TO STRONGLY CONSIDER CREATING A REGULATION SIMILAR TO OTHER COUNTIES.

VICTORIA COUNTY, I BELIEVE. THE SHARED WORDING WILL STOP I'M NOT GOING TO POTENTIAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO TALK SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T BACK UP WITH FACT.

BUT THESE PLACES, WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THEM.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO OPERATES THEM.

AND WE KNOW MANY OF THEM ARE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.

SO IT'S OUR HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL STRONGLY CONSIDER PUTTING IN AN ORDINANCE -- IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM -- THAT CAN BE ENFORCED TO PROTECT THE CHARITABLE BINGO OPERATIONS AND THE 50 ODD SOME NONPROFITS THAT BENEFIT.E HAVE QANTAS CLUBS, ROTARY CLUBS, DIFFERENT CHURCHES.

I THINK PEE-WEE'S PET ADOPTION. SO YOU NAME THE CHARITABLE EFFORTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND A NUMBER OF THEM ARE BENEFACTORS OF CHARITABLE BINGO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AGAIN, MARGARET BALDWIN, YOU WILL BE NEXT. FOLLOWED BY MISS SUZANNE

TAYLOR. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS MARGARET BALDWIN. I WROTE OUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I GET VERY NERVOUS, SO EXCUSE ME. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MANY CHARITIES THAT ARE WITH GOLDEN BINGO FAMILY AND WITH OTHER CHARITIES AND CORPUS CHRISTI. THESE CHARITIES MAKE MONEY FROM CHARITABLE BINGO. AND THAT IS HOW THEY HELP THE PET RESCUES, THE VFW'S, THE CHURCH.

YOU NAME THE CHARITY, THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT.

ONE PARTICULAR ONE HELPS UNWED MOTHERS.

SINGLE UNWED MOTHERS. WHAT HAS BEEN GONE FROM 2015 TO 2020, THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE PEOPLE AND CHARITIES IN NUECES COUNTY HAS GONE FROM A DISTRIBUTION OF 1.1 MILLION IN 2015, DOWN TO 642,000.

DUE TO GAME ROOMS COMING IN AND TAKING OVER THAT.

WE ARE ASKING THAT THEY BE REGULATED.

SO THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT MR. BAKER GAVE YOU IS APPROXIMATELY 25 PAGES. AND IT IS VERY SIMPLE, WELL SAID, AND WILL HELP MAKE IT MORE HONEST.

NO WHO WAS OPERATING AND BE ABLE TO TRACK THEM.

ALL THE WAY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO OWN IT TO THE WORKERS TO THE ESTABLISHMENTS. EVERYTHING IS NOTED.

IT'S NOT HIDDEN BEHIND DARK WALLS.

IT'S OUT IN THE OPEN. THIS BINDER IS THE ENABLING ACT AND THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE THAT BINGO IS REGULATED BY. I MEAN -- SOMETIMES, IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S UP AND DOWN.

THERE ARE SO MANY REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY.

WE ARE ASKING THAT THEY ARE PUT TO THE SAME GUIDELINES.

THE SAME REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE ASKING THE BELL COUNTY.

IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT IF THEY ARE GOING TO OPERATE IN THE -- IN THIS FIELD, THAT THEY BE REGULATED ALSO.

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IN THE FORM OF REPORTING DAILY WHAT THEY HAVE.

WHAT'S GOING ON. NOBODY HAS ANY IDEAS.

YOU KNOW, WHO WAS OPERATING THEM.

HOW THEY ARE OPERATING IS HUGE. IT TAKES IT TO A FIELD OF HONESTY. JUST AS WE ARE.

WE HAVE TO BE REGULATED OURSELVES.

WE ARE REGISTERED. WE HAVE TO GET A CARD.

A WORKERS REGISTRY CARD. IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT THEY ALSO BE PUT TO THAT SAME REGULATION. SO THAT WE KNOW WHO IS RUNNING THESE. THE OTHER THING THAT IS -- BINGO PAYS PRIZE FEES TO THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AND THE CITY. WE CAN'T GET AROUND IT.

THAT IS THE ROLE. WE DO THAT REGULARLY.

THAT'S PART OF THE BUDGET. AND WE THINK THAT -- EXCUSE ME -- I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY HAD TO PRAY PRIZE FEES TOO SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

HOW MUCH MONEY THEY ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE HALLS.

I'VE INCLUDED A PAPER. I'VE GONE WAY PAST MY TIME, BUT I'VE INCLUDED MY CARD AT THE BOTTOM.

I AM MORE THAN WELCOME AS KATHLEEN SAID TO SIT DOWN WITH ANYBODY AND EXPLAIN TO THEM BINGO REGULATIONS.

AND WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED BELL COUNTY THAT RONNIE HAS GIVEN YOU. WE ASK THAT YOU TAKE GREAT CONSIDERATION AND DO A REGULATION FOR OUR COUNTY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SUZANNE TAYLOR. AND JUST FOR MY HOUSEKEEPING, I'M TRYING TO KEEP THIS ALTOGETHER FOR CONTINUITY.

TJ LEDBETTER, ARE YOU HERE ALSO FOR THE SAME SUBJECT MATTER? OKAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE NEXT IN THE ORDER, I HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYBODY IF I KEEP THIS CONSISTENT? TJ, YOU WILL BE NEXT.

WHAT ABOUT MR. KNAPP AME)? ARE YOU ALSO HERE FOR THE SAME SUBJECT MATTER?IFFERENT SUBJECT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. WHAT ABOUT MIRIAM ON GLADE? OH, HI MIRIAM. I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE HERE FOR! I SEE IT ON YOUR MASK. OKAY I WILL GROUP THOSE TOGETHER. SO FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES.

AND THANK YOU FOR THAT BREAK, MS. TAYLOR.

>> SUZANNE TAYLOR WASSUP OF COURSE I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF CHARITIES IN NUECES COUNTY. I AM ON THE BOARD OF NAVY LEAGUE, BIG BROTHERS BIG SISTERS, PEE-WEE'S PET ADOPTION AND (INDISCERNIBLE). I'M TREASURY TO THREE OF THOSE CHARITIES. SO I SEE FIRSTHAND THE IMPACT OF THE GAME ROOMS ON CHARITABLE BINGO.

THE PRIZE FEES DON'T SEEM TO HAVE FLUCTUATED AS MUCH.

I WISH THE CITY COUNTY AND STATE WERE GETTING NAILED LIKE THE CHARITIES ARE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT ON PAPER.BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM GETTING $15,000 1/4 FOR NAVY LEAGUE, WE ARE DOWN TO 1500 FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR OF 2021. I MEAN, 60,000 TO 1500.

THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE GAME ROOMS ARE DOING TO BINGO.

AND THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE. SAME THING FOR THE OTHER CHARITIES. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CHARITIES HAVE REALLY BECOME NEEDING THE BINGO FUNDS. MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE HAD IN THEIR BUDGET AND ANTICIPATED RECEIVING. AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY ARE NOT GETTING THEM. I WAS HERE TWO YEARS AGO IN OCTOBER AND SPOKE TO BACK THEN. I KNOW WE HAVE THE MEETINGS WITH YOU, JUDGE, IN BETWEEN TIME.

WE MET WITH THE SHERIFF SEVERAL TIMES.

IN STAN'S RIGHT THERE AND TELLS US IF THEY PAY CASH, THE GAME ROOMS ARE LEGAL. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE SPACE IN THE JAIL OR THE MANPOWER TO ENFORCE THE LAW. SO THEREFORE WE LET THE ILLEGAL GAME ROOMS CONTINUE TO OPERATE. WHICH SOMEBODY TOLD ME THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN IN MY COUNTY. I LOOK AT (NAME) COUNTY AND IT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT THEY CAN CLOSE THE GAME ROOMS DOWN NO PROBLEM. YOU WON'T FIND ANY GAME ROOMS OVER THERE. I REALIZE THAT THEY JUST OUTNUMBERED LAW ENFORCEMENT. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A REASON TO GIVE UP ON THEM BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I

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FELT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UP BEFORE IS THAT YOU CAN SEIZE THE BUILDING.

THAT'S IN THE LAW. SO IF THEY ARE OPERATING A GAME ROOM THAT'S BEING RUN ILLEGALLY AND THE OWNER IS NOTIFIED, YOU CAN SEIZE THE BUILDING. SEES A BUILDING IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND WATCH HOW FAST THE GAME ROOMS CLOSE.

THE OWNERS ARE NOT GOING TO LET YOU TAKE THEIR BUILDINGS TO RENT TO THE GAME ROOMS. SO PLEASE.

I BEG YOU. GO OUT.

SEE ONE INVESTIGATION AND CLOSE ONE GAME ROOM AND IT STILL HASN'T HAPPENED. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO HELP THE CHARITIES AND HELP THE COUNTY. THIS ISN'T JUST FOR ME.

IT'S NOT JUST FOR A COMMERCIAL OPERATOR.

THIS IS FOR THE CHARITIES AND ALL THE GOOD THEY DO IN THIS COUNTY. SO WE ARE ASKING YOU DON'T BOUNCE US BACK TO THE CITY AGAIN.

WE BOUNCED TO THE CITY AND THE CITY SENDS US BACK TO YOU.

WE FEEL LIKE A PING-PONG BALL BECAUSE EVERYBODY POINTS TO EACH OTHER. THE CITY POINTS TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY SAYS THEY NEED THE CITY'S HELP.

SO PLEASE LET IT STOP HERE. LET'S GET AN ORDINANCE AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP YOUR ORGANIZATIONS THAT RUN THE CHARITIES IN CORPUS.HANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO CALL IN TJ

LEDBETTER, PLEASE. >> GOOD MORNING.

I'M A LOCAL CPA HERE IN TOWN. AND I'M A FORMER AUDITOR WITH THE TEXAS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL AND AND THE STATE CONTROLLERS. I WILL AGREE THAT BINGO IS PROBABLY THE MOST REGULATED BUSINESS.

EVEN MORE SO THAN ALCOHOL. THESE GAME ROOMS GIVE AWAY FREE ALCOHOL. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT. I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS -- I'VE WORKED WITH CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I DEAL WITH BINGO.

THEIR INCOME IS DECLINING IN PROPORTION TO THE INCREASE IN THE PERCENTAGE OF GAME ROOMS IN THIS TOWN.

IF WE SET AN ORDINANCE AT THE CITY LEVEL, THEY WILL JUST MOVE TO THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY. WE NEED AN ORDINANCE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. I DON'T EVEN THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE MUCH ENFORCEMENT IF YOU DO AN ORDINANCE AND YOU REQUIRE LICENSING. REQUIRE THESE PEOPLE TO TURN INFORMATION ON WHO THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY COME FROM.

I GUARANTEE YOU, 99 PERCENT WILL BE GONE.

AND IT WON'T REQUIRE THE COST OF ENFORCEMENT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- BELINDA, DO I HAVE ANYONE ONLINE AT ALL? RAISING THEIR HANDS ON THE SUBJECT MATTER? JUST FOR CONTINUITY? SEEING NONE, I WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE ON.

AND THIS IS THE ORDER THEY WERE SIGNED UP IN.

LEWIS WILMOT. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

LEWIS WILL MARK. I'M YOUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HEALTH DISTRICT EMPLOYEES AND THE RESIDENTS OF NUECES COUNTY.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEM. SINCE THE CITY HAS ANNOUNCED ITS INTENTION TO SEPARATE FROM THE HEALTH DISTRICT WITH NO REAL VENTED PLAN, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE VERY CONCERNED.

THE RESIDENTS IN NUECES COUNTY SHOULD ALSO BE CONCERNED.

LET'S BE HONEST. THE CITY'S PLAN IS BEING DEVELOPED AS WE GO FORWARD. HOWEVER, THIS COURT HAS YET TO OFFER ANY PLAN OR REASSURANCE TO THEIR EMPLOYEES.

NOT ONE COMMISSIONER HAS COME TO THE HEALTH DISTRICT TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES. THE CITY HAS.

I WILL HAVE TO GIVE THEM KUDOS FOR THAT.

WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THE CITY COUNTY SPLIT IS RIGHT OR WRONG, WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE THAT DOESN'T MATTER.

(INDISCERNIBLE) COMES TO THE HEALTH DISTRICT EVERY WEEK ON A MISSION.NITED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND A WAY FORWARD.

MANY CITY EMPLOYEES ARE STARTING TO BUY INTO THIS.

WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE FOLLOW STRENGTH AND PURPOSE. THEY WILL EVEN DO IT PLAINLY.

THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY FIT INTO THIS PURPOSE.

WHERE'S MY POSITION? AT LEAST THE CITY HAS CREATED SOME POSITIONS SO THEY CAN ABSORB SOME OF THE CITY HEALTH DISTRICT EMPLOYEES. THAT'S GREAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE EMPLOYEES ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR JOBS THAT THEY ARE APPLYING FOR VARIOUS JOBS.

NOT JUST THE ONE THAT THEY CURRENTLY HOLD.

TO ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE CRABS IN A BUCKET TRYING TO SURVIVE.

IT'S NOT REASSURANCE. THAT'S SURVIVAL.

COUNTY EMPLOYEES, ON THE OTHER HAND, ARE IN LIMBO.

THEY ARE IN LIMBO BECAUSE THERE IS NO COUNTY LEADERSHIP TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. YOU KNOW WHY NOT? BECAUSE THIS COURT IS WEAK. THIS COURT IS WEAK BECAUSE YOU ARE DIVIDED. YOU ARE NOT UNITED.

AND PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW WEAKNESS.

NOT EVEN BLINDLY. FOR SOME OF YOU, YOUR POLITICAL INTERESTS HAVE BLINDED YOU OVER THE MISSION OF PUBLIC HEALTH.

I'M HERE TO REMIND YOU OF THAT MISSION.

IT IS TO PROMOTE, TO PROTECT, TO PREVENT.

MY PRIORITIES ARE SIMPLE: IT'S TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF

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NUECES COUNTY. IT'S TO TAKE CARE OF MY EMPLOYEES. THEY ARE THE FIGHTING STRENGTH.

AND TO ENSURE THE CITY AND COUNTY LEADERS HAVE THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY. ALL THE REST IS SMOKE AND MIRRORS. A FEW WEEKS AGO I WITNESSED THIS COURT FIGHT TOOTH AND NO L FOR AN EMPLOYEE WHO ALLEGEDLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. I SAW VIGOR AS MANY OF YOU DEFENDED THIS EMPLOYEE. I ASK YOU NOW, WHERE'S THAT SAME FIRE AND VIGOR AND DEFENSE OF YOUR 40 COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT EMPLOYEES? WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG? THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT.

WHY ISN'T THIS COURT DEFENDING THEM? THE NEWS OF OUR CITY COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT SPLIT HAS SENT WAVES THROUGHOUT TEXAS. THERE IS BLOOD IN THE WATER AND SHARKS ARE COMING. SOME OF YOUR HEALTH DISTRICT EMPLOYEES ARE RECEIVING MESSAGES.

THEY ARE BEING CONTACTED BY BIGGER COUNTIES.

COUNTIES THAT WE ARESUPPOSED TO EMULATE -- HARRIS COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY . THEY SAY WE SEE THE MESS OVER THERE.WHAT'S GOING ON? WE HAVE A POSITION FOR YOU.E WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS HOW IS IT THAT OTHER COUNTIES KNOW AND APPRECIATE THE VALUE AND THE WORK OF THESE EMPLOYEES? BUT THIS COURT DOES NOT? IT IS SHAMEFUL. I'M ACTUALLY EMBARRASSED BY IT.

IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT BOTH CITY AND COUNTY LEADERS HAVE RECENTLY ASKED ME WHAT SERVICES DO THE HEALTH DISTRICT PROVIDE? REALLY? YOU HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR HOW LONG AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SERVICES YOUR HEALTH SERVICES PROVIDE TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS? THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE SETUP OF THE HEALTH DISTRICT IS COMPLICATED.TO ME, THAT MEANS THERE IS A LOT TO CONSIDER BEFORE DECIDING THE FATE OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH. IT NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY VETTED TO ENSURE WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE EMPLOYEES. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COUNTY CHOOSES TO WITHDRAW FROM PROVIDING PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES? HERE'S WHAT I BELIEVE WILL HAPPEN. SINCE I THE STATE.

ONCE THIS VOTE IS TAKEN, THE DIRECTOR OF THE HEALTH DISTRICT WILL HAVE TO INFORM THE STATE. AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS PLANNING TO DEFAULT ON THE STATE ISSUED GRANTS.

HESE ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF GRANTS.

PROVIDING TONS OF SERVICES TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND SUPPORTING NUMEROUS STAFF TO OPERATE THEM.

THE DIRECTOR WILL LET THEM KNOW THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR COUNTY GRANTS TO THE CITY.

THE RESPONSE WILL BE YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THERE IS NO CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

THERE IS NO ENTITY. OKAY? NOW, THE CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAN EXIST.

AND MAYBE THEY CAN ESTABLISH ONE, RIGHT? THEY NEED TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY AND APPLY FOR THEIR OWN MPI AND TPI NUMBERS.

THEY NEED TO APPLY TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY AND APPLY FOR THEIR OWN GRANTS. THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

SO THE COUNTY WILL BE IN DEFAULT OF THE STATE ISSUED GRANTS. AND NO ONE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO PICK UP THESE GRANTS.

NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY UNTIL THE STATE ALLOWS AN ENTITY TO DO SO.

OR THE STATE MIGHT SENT SOMEBODY TO YOU BUT THAT WILL TAKE TIME AS WELL. HAS THIS COURT THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THAT WILL AFFECT CURRENT COVID-19 OPERATIONS? TESTING OPERATIONS? TB SERVICES? OUR PUBLIC HEALTH PREPAREDNESS FOR OTHER DISASTERS? THIS PANDEMIC IS STILL EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

IN THIS COURT IS ACTING LIKE PUBLIC HEALTH IS SOMETHING YOU NO LONGER NEED OR HAVE INTEREST IN.

I HOPE EACH OF YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION TODAY IF YOU VOTE FOR THE FATE OF PUBLIC HEALTH.

THIS DECISION WILL AFFECT THE HEALTH OF OUR CITIZENS AND EMPLOYEES. AT THE VERY LEAST, CONSIDER HONORING THE COURTS COMMITMENT TO THE STATE AND ALLOW THE HEALTH DISTRICT TO FINISH OUT THE CONTRACT PERIOD'S OF OUR CURRENT STATE GRANTS. LET US CONTINUE PROVIDING COVERT VACCINES AND BOOSTERS TO THE COMMUNITY.

LET US DO OUR PART TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY A FIGHTING CHANCE AGAINST ANY VARIANT WHO WILL EVENTUALLY FIND ITS WAY TO OUR AREA. SURELY YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE THE COURT THAT VOTED TO GET RID OF PUBLIC HEALTH WHEN IT IS NEEDED THE MOST. RESPONDING TO THE WORST PANDEMIC OF OUR LIFETIME. WITH THAT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU AND MERRY CHRISTMAS. > THE COURT RECOGNIZES DENA CHAVEZ. MARIA, YOU WILL BE NEXT AND

MATT YOU WILL FOLLOW. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS DENA CHAVEZ. I'M AN ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE HEALTH DISTRICT. I LIVE IN PRECINCT 4. I COME

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HERE TODAY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE FOR THE HEALTH DISTRICT WILL AFFECT THE LIVES OF HEALTH DISTRICT EMPLOYEES. WE KNOW THAT A DEAL HAS HARDY BEEN MADE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. AND IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY THAN YOU HAVE BUDGETED TO LET THE CITY SERVICE THE COUNTY. SO THE QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD COMMISSIONERS COURT WANT TO PAY MORE MONEY FOR SERVICES THEY ALREADY ARE PROVIDING? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

COUNTY EMPLOYEES CARE ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH.

BUT YOU DON'T SEE THEM HERE BECAUSE A COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN TELLING COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR JOBS, THEY NEED TO STAY QUIET AND NOT MAKE ANY WAVES.

HEALTH DISTRICT EMPLOYEES ARE ALSO CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THEY CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTY.

WHAT I ASK IS THAT YOU SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS.

KEEP THE HEALTH DISTRICT INTACT.

KEEP COUNTIES STOMACH COUNTY EMPLOYEES AS IS SO THAT THEIR BENEFIT IN RETIREMENT IS NOT AFFECTED.

NO ONE WANTS TO BE WITHOUT A JOB DURING CHRISTMAS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THE NEXT PERSON WILL BE (NAME). CAN YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? IS IT (NAME)?

>> YES. MY NAME IS MIRIAM (NAME).

YOU PRONOUNCE EACH SYLLABLE. >> OKAY.

>> GOOD MORNING, COUNTY JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS AND ATTENDEES.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS (NAME). I'M THE PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MANAGER OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI, NUECES COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT. WHAT WE DO -- THERE ARE 15 CAPABILITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN WHAT WE DO.

WE SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME WORKING ON -- DUE TO LIMITED STAFFING, MOST OF OUR TIME IS DEVOTED TO EPIDEMIOLOGY OR GOAL INVESTIGATIONS. DISEASE INVESTIGATIONS AND SURVEILLANCE. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER SECTIONS THAT DO DISEASE INVESTIGATIONS INCLUDING STDS.

THE TUBERCULOSIS CLINIC, IMMUNIZATIONS -- THEY ALSO DO DISEASE INVESTIGATIONS. WHAT WE DO IS FOODBORNE.

WE MONITOR FOODBORNE ILLNESSES. WHEN YOU HEAR OF A SALMONELLA OUTBREAK, THAT IS MULTISTATE, THAT COMES THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT. ZIKA VIRUS THAT WAS IN THE NEWS -- THERE WERE SO MUCH EFFORTS ON MEASURES TAKEN THAT COMES THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT. WE ARE FUNDED BY COUNTY GRANTS.

I AM A COUNTY EMPLOYEE. SO WE TAKE THE LEAD SO WE ARE

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ANOTHER THING IS, OUR VACCINATIONS BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS MADE IN THIS COURT.

ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS -- WE'VE GONE THROUGH H1 N1. EBOLA SURVEILLANCE.

ZEKE. COVID.

YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT THIS HAPPENS EVERY FEW YEARS.

THERE IS AN EMERGENT DISEASE. WOULD YOU BE READY TO GET READY TO EXECUTE THE NEXT ONE? WE'VE LEARNED A LOT.

THIS COURT, THE CITY -- HAVE LEARNED A LOT.

HOW TO RESPOND TO THIS. WILL YOU BE ABLE TO GIVE THE SAME LEVEL OR BETTER? BETTER SERVICES TO NUECES COUNTY RESIDENTS?NTER MY SECOND POINT, REGARDING THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES. WELL, ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE HEALTH DISTRICT. I KNOW COLLEAGUES OF MINE THAT ARE SO CLOSE TO BEING VESTED. AND THERE IS THE RISK OF LOSING SO MUCH STUFF I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE 14 YEARS WITH THE COUNTY IN OUR HEALTH DISTRICT. OVER 20 YEARS IN OUR COUNTY.

WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE RETIREMENT? THE BENEFITS THAT THEY ACCUMULATED? ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I -- MY VACATION HOURS.

YOU HAVE GRACIOUSLY, KNOWING THAT WE CANNOT TAKE THE TIME DURING THIS PANDEMIC, YOU ALLOWED US TO ROLLOVER OUR VACATION HOURS. BUT NOW, THERE IS THE RISK OF LOSING OUR HOURS. I AND SOME OTHER EMPLOYEES HAVE

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UP TO 300 HOURS. BUT THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE -- ONLY 96 HOURS CAN BE PAID OUT. WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF THOSE HOURS? THAT WOULD REALLY HURT TO LOSE THAT. SO IN REGARDS TO THE EMPLOYEES,

>> BACK ON THE RECORD CONNIE, WOULD YOU BE SO GOOD TO BRING US

[1. Discuss disaster preparedness and response, including matters related to COVID-19, Emergency Orders, severe weather, flooding, drainage, economic recovery, state and federal assistance, American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA), Emergency Rental Assistance Program (ERAP), and infrastructure status, and other related matters.]

[1. November 17, 2021 November 22, 2021 November 30, 2021]

[1. In recognition of Sandra E. Ysassi, Commissioner's Assistant for Precinct No. 3, retiring after 36 years of service to Nueces County.]

[2. In recognition of Juan "J.J." De La Cerda being awarded "Veterans Claim Service Officer (VCSO) of the Year" from the Texas Veterans Commission.]

[3. In recognition of Military VIP for Field of Honor.]

[1. Nueces County Beach Management Advisory Committee]

[2. Nueces County Child Welfare Board]

[3. Nueces County Civil Service Commission]

[4. Nueces County Historical Commission]

[5. Nueces County Emergency Service District #1]

[6. Nueces County Emergency Service District #2]

[7. Nueces County Emergency Service District #3]

[8. Nueces County Emergency Service District #4]

[9. Nueces County Emergency Service District #6]

[2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]

[L. Authorize execution of Agreement Amendment No. 2 with Absolute Waste Services, Inc for RFP 3081-18 Solid Waste Collection & Disposal Service for County Residents.]

[N. Ratify execution of 2022 Port Development Agreement with the Port of Corpus Christi Authority of Nueces County for purposes of supporting the Nueces County Industrial Commission AKA Nueces County Development Commission in the promotion and development of business and industry for calendar year 2022.]

[O. Authorize the Commissioners Court Manager to provide appropriate law enforcement agencies as needed with written criminal trespass-authority pursuant to Texas Penal Code 30.05, allowing those law enforcement agencies to issue trespass notices and display “No Trespassing” signage on various foreclosed properties held in trust by Nueces County.]

[P. Approve application procedure for the Christus Spohn Health Board of Trustees.]

[1. Discuss and consider selection of the Nueces County Workers Compensation Coverage Provider for Calendar Year 2022.]

[2. Discuss and consider five-year State Case Registry Cooperative Agreement between the Office of the Attorney General of the State of Texas and Nueces County, Texas.]

[4. Discuss and consider approval of contract with Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson, LLP, for the Collection of Delinquent Taxes.]

[5. Discuss and consider approval of document titled "Action Approving Contract with Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson, LLP" (for the collection of Delinquent Taxes).]

[6. Discuss and consider approval of contract with Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson, LLP, for the Collection of Delinquent Fees and Fines.]

[7. Discuss and consider approval of document titled "Action Approving Contract with Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson, LLP" (for the collection of Delinquent Fees and Fines).]

[17. Discuss and consider adopting payment option(s) for Premium Pay under the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) for Nueces County employees, including law enforcement in the Nueces County Collective Bargaining Agreement; authorize date(s) to issue payment(s); authorize Nueces County Employee Premium Payment Supplement Agreement Form(s).]

[18. Discuss and consider for January 2022 one time premium pay of 10% ARPA funds across the board for Nueces County Employees.]

[2. Discuss and consider approval of interlocal agreement with the City of Corpus Christi regarding improvements to West Haven Park.]

[2. Discuss and award IFB No. 3178-21 for Nueces County Amistad Veterans Memorial & West Haven Splash Pads Projects.]

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UP, AND THE TIME IS 12:53 P.M. FOR THE CORRECTER AND WE'RE

[3. Receive Nueces County’s Strategic Fiscal Recovery Plan and Internet/Social Media survey report related to American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 (ARPA) funds, including overview of community engagement results and identified spending priorities.]

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GOING TO MOVE INTO WHAT IS ITEM NUMBER 3.

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AND DON'T DESPAIR BECAUSE AFTER THAT, IT'S ITEM NUMBER 8.

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AND ITEM 3, RECEIVE THE COUNTY RECOVERY PLAN AND INTERNET

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SOCIAL MEDIA SURVEY REPORT RELATED TO ARPA FUNDS, THE

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AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT OF 2021 AND THE RESULTS AND IDENTIFY

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SPENDING PRIORITIES MANY AND FIRST TIME LIVE IN PERSON, THE

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HAGGERTY TEAM, AND IT WAS BAD WEATHER, THEY GOT CANCELED AND

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RACHEL AND 3:00 IN THE CENTRAL JURY ROOM IS GOING TO HOST THIS

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REPORT ON A MUCH GRANDER SCALE. AND SHE'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE

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FOR YOU, AND TELL US WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, BECAUSE IT'S

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GREAT IN A WAY, YOU GOT TO HEAR ABOUT IT, AND THERE'S A LOT THAT

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PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WITH DOLLARS WITH POST-COVID-19, AND THAT'S

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WHAT YOU'RE HERE TO TELL US ABOUT, AND AS THEY SAY, TAKE IT

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AWAY. >> GOOD MORNING, WELL, ITS

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AFTER. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS AND

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JUDGE FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. AND I'M ALSO JOINED BY ONE OF MY

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COLLEAGUES, AND I SEE ELIZABETH FOSTER ONLINE AS WELL.

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AND TODAY I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE FISCAL

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RECOVERY PLAN AND I HAVE THIS AS WELL.

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>> IF YOU WOULD QUEUE THAT UP. >> SO I'LL BE GIVING YOU AN

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OVERVIEW OF ALL OF THE KEY PHASES AND THE RUTS OF THOSE

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PHASES. AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE PROBABLY

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FAMILIAR WITH THIS PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE SPOKEN IN PREVIOUS OUTER

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SESSIONS AND GIVEN AN OVERVIEW OF THE INTERNAL NEEDS

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ASSESSMENTS, BUT TODAY IS EXCITING BECAUSE I CAN GIVE YOU

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AN OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE PLAN BECAUSE IT HAS COME AND GONE AND

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WE HAVE FINISHED THE FINANCIAL PHASE.

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CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

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>> SO THIS IS THE TIMELINE OF THE PLAN.

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THE COUNTY RECEIVED ALLOCATION IN MAY, AND THEN IN JUNE AND

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JULY, WE STARTED THIS FIRST PHASE, INTERNAL NEEDS ASSESS MANY. THE FIRST PHASE WHERE O'WE MET WITH THE DIRECTORS AND ASKED HOW CAN WE SPEND AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS AND HOW CAN IT BE TRANSFORATION AL AND HELP LEAVEIATE FINANCIAL PLANS FOR THE COUNTY TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

AND AFTER THAT, WE TURNED TO THE COMMUNITY AND ASKED VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS. WE ASKED HOW YOUR RESIDENTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES AND NON-PROFITS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY COVID-19 AND WHAT PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS CAN BE FUND. WE ASKED WHERE CAN WE INVEST THIS MONEY TO PUSH NUECES COUNTY FORWARD.

HOW CAN WE LEVERAGE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND HOW CAN WE MAKE

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THE MOST OF THIS OPPORTUNITY IF AND THEN IN THE THIRD PHASE, THE ASSESSMENT AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS AND GROUPED THEM INTO PRIORITY AREAS, AND MAKE SPENDING DECISIONS IN A WAY THAT CAN REFLECT WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY AND LEADERS SEE AS A PRIORITY. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, AND SO BEFORE I SHOW YOU THE BIG OVERVIEW OF ALL OF THE AREAS, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL RESULTS OF EACH PHASE. FIRST, IN THE INTERN NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WHAT WE FOUND AFTER SPEAKING WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND ALL OF YOU ON THE COURT IS THAT BROADLY, LEADERS WANT THE FUNDS TO BE SPENT IN A WAY THAT SUPPORTS YOUR COMMUNITIES. SUPPORTS YOUR BUSINESSES, YOUR NON-PROFITS AND HOUSEHOLDS. WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT COVID-19 HAS HAD ON YOUR COMMUNITIES AND THAT LED TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW CAN WE SPEND THESE FUNDS IN A WAY THAT SUPPORTS OUR UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY? THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF CONVERSATION BUSY RESPONDING TO THE NEEDS CREATED, AS EXACERBATED BY THE PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS AND THAT'S WHERE WE SAW COVERINGS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTMENTS FROM THE COURTS AND DIRECTORS.

OF COURSE THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND WATER STRUCTURE NEEDS, AND THAT WAS A PRIORITY AMONG A LOT OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE DIRECTORS FOCUSING ON THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND HOW THAT CAN BE INVESTED WITH AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS, AND LASTLY, CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EXPANDING PUBLIC SECTOR CAPACITY HERE IN THE COUNTY BY STAFFING VACANT POSITIONS NECESSARY FOR THE CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS AND INVESTING IN TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE TO IMPROVE CYBERSECURITY AND ALLOW YOUR WORKERS TO WORK REMOTE IF THIS PANDEMIC CONTINUES TO REQUIRE THAT.

IN HOTEL, 60 PROJECTS WERE IDENTIFIED OVER THE COURSE OF THE INTERNAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT PROCESS.

ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO ON TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT?

>> NO, GO AHEAD. >> NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN WE WENT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT I WILL HIGHLIGHT HERE ARE JUST BRIEFLY THE INTERIM FINAL RULE ASKS FOR RECIPIENTS TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY TO ASK FOR PUBLIC INPUT, TO ASK FOR FEEDBACK, TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE FUNDS CAN GO TO HELP THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT NUECES COMMUNITY DID.

YOU ALL CALLED ON YOUR SMALL BUSINESSES AND NON-PROFITS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS AND RESIDENTS AND INVITED THEM TO PARTICIPATE. SOME HIGHLIGHTS ON THE SLIDE, NUECES COUNTY HOSTED FOUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS AND INVITED THEM TO A POST MEETING SURVEY, AND PROVIDED THEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND FEEDBACK RELATED TO WHERE THEY WANT THESE FUNDS TO GO. ALSO SENDING FEEDBACK VIA EMAIL AND DIRECT CALL. IN ALL, 30 INVITATIONS WERE SENT OUT TO NON-PROFITS, SMALL BUSINESSES, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND LOCAL LEADERS. IN 6 TOTAL, 7 STAKEHOLDERS WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE INSTRUMENTAL FIELD BACK, AND ZEN CITY IS ON TODAY, AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING YOU WITH ARN OVERVIEW OF THE RESULTS AS WELL. BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT ZEN SAID PROVIDED ASKING CITIZENS WHAT THEY WOULD SPEND THE FUNDS ON, AND PRIORITIZE AND WHAT THE LONG-TERM NEEDS ARE IN NUECES COUNTY, WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS.

IN TOTAL, WE IDENTIFIED OVER 70 POTENTIAL PROJECTS, AND THESE PROJECTS ADDRESSED THE LONG-TERM COMMUNITY NEEDS THAT WERE CREATED OR EXACERBATED BY THE COVID-19 HEALTH CRISIS.

AND WHEN WE TURN TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL START TO SEE WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE. THESE ARE THE MOST MENTIONED PROJECTS TYPES. YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

BUT WE HAD ANOTHER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENT AFTER PRESENTING THIS. WITH THE CITY AND TOWN OFFICIALS, THE LEADING PRIORITY AT THAT ROUNDTABLE MEETING WHERE WE HAD ABOUT TEN STAKEHOLDERS IN ATTENDANCE REPRESENTING NINE JURISDICTIONS IN THE COUNTY WERE STORM WATER AND DRAINAGE.

THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT THESE TO GO.

AND THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT STAFFING AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROVIDING HOUSEHOLDS IN NUECES COUNTY WITH

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THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO FIND THEIR WAY OUT OF THE IMPACTS OF THIS PANDEMIC. FOR THE BUSINESS AND NON-PROFIT LEADERS WHERE WE HAD 42 STAKE OLDS SHOW UP TO A MEETING, THE LEADING PRIORITY THERE WAS MENTAL HEALTH.

A LOT OF THEM STOOD UP AND SPOKE ABOUT THE TRAUMA WITH THE INDIVIDUALS AND THE NETWORKS THAT THE COMMUNITIES AND THE FAMILIES HAVE EXPERIENCED OVER THE COURSE OF TOV TOV AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY ASKED THAT FUNDS BE SPENT ON MENTAL HEALTH AND HEALTHCARE ACCESS. A LOT OF THEM SUPPORTED THE JAIL CENTER, THAT THAT WAS ABINCREDIBLE NEED IN NUECES COUNTY. AND PERMANENT HOUSING OPTIONS, AND OF COURSE THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SCHOOLS AND EDUCATION. ONE STAKEHOLDER MENTIONED POSSIBLY LAPTOPS FOR STUDENTS TO SUPPORT REMOTE SCHOOLING, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS AS THE THIRD MOST MENTIONED TYPE ABOUT STAFFING NEEDS. INCREASED COMPENSATION AND FOCUS ON HIRING, GETTING PEOPLE BACK TO WORK.

FINALLY, WE HOSTED TWO LOCAL PUBLIC FORUMS WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CONVERSATIONS WERE SIMILAR, IN THAT THE RESIDENTS THAT ATTENDED THESE TWO COMMUNITY EVENTS, TOTAL 25 STAKEHOLDERS, SPOKE A LOT ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND HEALTHCARE ACCESS. AS WELL AS STORM WATER AND DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSEHOLD AND INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE. THESE WERE THE MOST MENTIONED, SECOND MOST MENTIONED AND THIRD MOST MENTIONED PROJECTS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS IT CAME OUT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS AND THE SUPPORT FOR THOSE PROJECTS. HERE YOU'LL SEE, BASED ON THE GRAPH, THE PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED OVER THE COURSE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE SUPPORT FOR THOSE PROJECTS, MEASURED BY EITHER INDIVIDUAL PROJECT IDEAS OR SOMEONE SAYING YES, WE NEED TO FUND MENTAL HEALTH.

FOR EXAMPLE, DRAINAGE AND INFRASTRUCTURE, SOMEONE STOOD AND UP SAID THAT THEY HAD TO FUND A DRAINAGE PROJECTS OR JUST YES, PLEASE SPEND IN MONEY ON DRAINAGE.

16 OF YOUR COMMUNITY LEADERS AND MEMBERS SPOKE AND UP SAID WE NEED TO SPEND MONEY ON MENTAL HEALTH OR HAD A SPECIFIC MENTAL HEALTH PROJECT IN MIND. DOWN THE LIST, WE SAW HOUSEHOLD AND INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE PROJECTS FORWARD, AND ESPECIALLY AT PADRE ISLAND, THEY HAD A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT ECHO TOURISM AND BIRDING INITIATIVES, ANYTHING TO GET PEOPLE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY FOR NATURE ACTIVITIES. THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COMMUNITY CENTERS AND NON-PROFIT SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORT.

AND AGAIN, WE SEE HOUSING AND JAIL DIVERSION CENTER.

BUT HERE YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE PROJECTS THAT PEOPLE WERE STANDING UP AND SHARING WITH US DURING THE FOLLOWUP SURVEY.

ANY QUESTIONS HERE? >> QUESTIONS, ANYBODY?

GO AHEAD. >> NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THIS WAS THE THIRD PHASE, WHERE WE TOOK ALL OF THE PROJECT IDEAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE INTERNAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND DURING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS AND WE ORGANIZED THEM INTO THESE BROAD CATEGORIES.

WHAT WE FOUND, OF THE 1 PO PROJECT I.D.S THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY THAT THEY FIT INTO THESE SIX PRY OR AREAS, AND THESE SIX AREAS CAN BE USED TO FORM THE PRIORITIZATION OF THESE DOLLARS IF THE COURT CHOOSES.

SO INFRASTRUCTURE, 13% WOULD FIT UNDER THE WATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORY. AND 9% GOING TO HOUSEHOLDS AND INDIVIDUALS, AND THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA FOR FOOD BANK OR OTHER TYPES OF SUPPORT TO NON-PROFITS DOING THAT SORT OF WORK.

13% WENT TO PUBLIC HEAT. BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES AND THIS IS WHERE WE SAW A LOT OF THE HEALTHCARE COVERINGS AND THE YALE DIVERSION CONVERSATIONS. 13% TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WE HAD A LOT OF CADS FOR FUNDING FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, NON-PROFITS, AND INDUSTRIES HAD IN THE COUNTY HIT HARD BY COVID-19, INCLUDING TOURISM. 31% OF THE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED WENT INTO THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES CATEGORY.

WAS THE CALL FOR PARKS, INVESTMENTS, AND THIS WAS ALL OF THE GENERAL INFRASTRUCTURE THIS WOULDN'T FIT INTO THE OTHER CATEGORIES, AND LASTLY, 19% OF THE 130 PROMPTS SUBMITTED WERE IMPROVING PUBLIC SECTOR CAPACITY.

AND WHAT I WILL SAY HERE, ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS PROCESS IS THAT THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC EXACERBATED A

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LOT OF COMMUNITY NEEDS HERE IN NUECES COUNTY.

AND THAT THE COST FOR MEANINGFULLY ADDRESSING THESE NEEDS FAR EXCEEDS WHAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS. I SAY THAT BECAUSE IN THE PROCESS, OVER $227 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS WERE PUSHED FORWARD AND THE COUNTY ONLY RECEIVED A $70.3 MILLION ALLOCATION, WHICH LEADS ME TO THIS LEVERAGING OPPORTUNITY, WHERE THE COUNTY CAN CONSIDER LOOKING INTO OTHER FUNDING RESOURCES THAT CAN COME FORWARD FROM STATE OR FEDERAL AVENUES TO POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THE ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE STRATEGIC FISCAL RECOVERY PLAN THAT YOU WERE PROVIDED. THAT HAS A LIST OF ALL OF THE NEEDS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN THE PROCESS.

BEFORE I WRAP UP, THE JUDGE DID MENTION THAT ONE OF THE WAYS THIS WE'RE BRINGING THE PROJECT FULL CIRCLE, WE'RE MEETING WITH STAKE HOLDERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS TODAY AT 3:00 TO LET THEM KNOW HOW THE PLAN WORKED OUT AND HOW IT FED INTO THE LARGER PROCESS, AND WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE WITH THEM THE RESULTS OF THE STRATEGIC FISCAL YEAR PLAN.

WITH THAT, I WILL ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> SO THERE WAS A LOT -- I NOTICED SEVERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ITEMS THAT'S INCLUDED ON THE GENERAL SIDE, OR HOW WOULD THAT

BE CATEGORIZED? >> THE LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFFING, IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S FUNDED AND THE CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDED IN THE PLAN, BUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFFING WAS LIKELY LISTED UNDER THE IMPROVING PUBLIC CAPACITY OR GENERAL

SERVICES. >> YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST THINKING, AND IT JUST DAWNED ON ME.

IF MONICA, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS IN THE OFFICE, WE HAD AT THE STATE OF THE COUNTY, THOSE EXECUTIVE SUMMARIES PRINTED.

LET'S TAKE SOME OF THOSE DOWNSTAIRS AND GET A FEW OF THEM IN THE COURTROOM RIGHT NOW SO YOU CAN SEE, BUT THE BIG REPORT THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAS, AN UNBELIEVABLE COMPLETE LISTING.

YOU HAVE A SUPER HIGH OVERVIEW, BUT YOU HAVE THE COPY OF THE REPORT THAT BELINDA SENT TO EVERYBODY, AND IT RANGED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM PREMIUM PAY TO SHOOTING RANGE AND TRAINING ACADEMY, AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE THE VALUE PEOPLE PLACED IN THERE AS WELL AS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

THEY SAID LISTEN, WE NEED TO BE WAY MORE INVESTED IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT RESOURCES BECAUSE THAT GOES HAND-IN-HAND IN DRAINAGE AND STORM WATER AS WELL AS COVID-19.

SO IF YOU WANT THE COMPLETE LISTING, I'M GOING TO HAVE THEM BRING IT IN, BUT JUST KNOW THE ONE THAT BELINDA GAVE YOU WILL SHOW THE ITEM FOR ITEM. BUT IN YOURS, IT GETS BUNCHED

INTO GOVERNMENT SERVICES. >> THE FISCAL PLAN HAS PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES OF EVERY PROJECT THAT CAME FORWARD, AND NEXT TO THE PROJECT IS THE BUCKET THAT IT WOULD GO UNDER.

>> YEAH. LOOK, I MEAN IT'S A HUGE -- IT WAS A HUGE UNDER TAKING, AND I DON'T MIND SAYING, I'M SO HAPPY YOU LED IN, AND THIS IS WHAT CONGRESS AND THE STATUTE SAID THAT WE SHOULD DO, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT ALL JURISDICTIONS DID, AND IT'S NOT WHAT OUR CITY DID. SO I REALLY HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE REALLY SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LISTENING TO YOU, NOT JUST FROM THE ELECTEDS, BUT FROM ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND WHAT WE HAVE IS A BLUEPRINT GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, MONICA, AND WOULD YOU HAND THOSE OUT TO BELINDA AND WHOEVER ELSE, AND I KNOW HID WOULD WANT ONE AND DR. GONZALES AND EVERYBODY ELSE. IT'S LIKE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THEM UP AND I'M NOT SURE ANYONE REALLY TOOK THEM.

BUT THEY ARE VERY GOOD. IT'S A VERY GOOD SUMMARY.

>> YES, SO YOUR COMMUNITY IS VERY THANKFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. IN THE FOLLOWUP SURVEY, WE HAD AN OPTION TO JUST WRITE STUFF IN, AND A LOT OF YOUR RESIDENTS WROTE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE STAS TO TALK ABOUT MY NEEDS, AND I RECEIVED CALLS FROM YOUR RESIDENTS THANKING ME FOR HAVING THIS MEETING AND THANKING US FOR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. AND I AM EXCITED TO SHARE WITH ALL OF THEM TODAY HOW THE PLAN HAS WORKED.

>> AND RACHEL, YOU WILL BE DOWNSTAIRS AND PRESENT THE ZEN CITY PIECE OF IT. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT

JOINING US, CORRECT? >> I SEE THEY'RE ON.

>> MAYBE THEY HAVE LEFT. >> I'M SORRY, IF I HAD KNOWN, I APOLOGIZE, BELINDA, I DIDN'T SEE THEM.

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BUT ALL I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, ZEN CITY, YOU'LL BE PRESENTING THEIR SURVEY DOWNSTAIRS AT 3:00.

BUT I THINK THAT MAYBE THE SHORT VERSION IS THAT ZEN CITY DID WHAT YOU DID, ONLY ON AN ONLINE BASIS, AND THEY GOT TO POLL OUR COMMUNITY AND DO A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE SURVEY.

SO IF YOU WANT -- WELL, IF YOU COULD, RACHEL, JUST -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALREADY SENT YOU COMMISSIONERS ALL OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU READ IT OR NOT, BUT IT BASICALLY MIMICS WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THE HAGGERTY PERFORMANCE.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SPEAK TO THE SURVEY?

>> COW JUST GIVE US A HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW.

>> SURE, THE ZEN CITY, THEY PUBLISHED A SURVEY FOR TWO WEEKS IN NUECES COUNTY. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO REACH 688 OF THE RESIDENTS, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.

>> WE HAVE IT UP. >> YOU HAVE IT UP? I CAN RUN WITH THAT. I CAN'T SPEAK TO ALL OF T I'M

PREPARED FOR -- >> JUST THE HIGH LEVEL BRIEF.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S SCROLL. >> THAT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS.

SO HERE IT IS. >> OKAY.

THIS IS WHAT I HAD MENTIONED WHEN I SAID THAT WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS LARGELY REFLECTED AND ECHOED IN THE RESULTS OF THEIR SURVEY. HERE'S WHAT THEY FOUND.

WHEN THEY ASKED 688 RESIDENTS WHAT DO YOU PRIORITIZE, OF THESE PROJECTS, HOW WOULD YOU SPEND AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS IN AND WHAT THINK FOUND, LARGELY E. THE RESIDENTS ARE HOPING THAT THE FUNDING WILL GO TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND SCHOOLING, AS WELL AS DRAINAGE, MENTAL HEALTH AND SMALL BUSINESS AND NON-PROFIT SUPPORT. WHAT ITS SHOWING YOU IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT SAYS 79, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

THE GREEN BAR IS SHOWING YOU THE PERCENT OF RESPONDENTS WHO LISTED THAT ITEM AS A TOP PRIORITY.

SO THIS YEAR, IT'S DEMONSTRATING THAT THE TOP ISSUES ARE PRIORITIES TO YOUR RESIDENTS. AND WHAT I CAN HIGHLIGHT ON THE SLIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN, AND YOUR RESIDENTS THE FUNDING TO GO TO ALMOST EVERYTHING ON HERE.

40% OF PEOPLE, THOUGH IT'S SMALL, STILL THE FUNDING TO GO TO SUBSTANCE USE, AND THAT CAN STILL GO TO MENTAL HEALTH, WE KNOW THEY'RE RELATED. THE OTHER HIGHLIGHT HERE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE SPOKE TO ZEN CITY ABOUT ON THE CALL, NO MATTER HOW YOU SPEND THE FUNDING WHEN IT'S ON A PROJECT ON HERE, IT WILL PROBABLY PLEASE YOUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THEY CLEARLY CARE ABOUT FOR AMERICAN RESCUE FUND OPPORTUNITIES. AND WE CAN SCROLL.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A QUESTION THAT I WAS PREPARED TO DISCUSS.

THEY HAVE SOME HIGHLIGHTS HERE. >> GO TO THE NEXT -- OKAY.

THIS ONE WAS INTERESTING, RIGHT? WE HAD THIS CALL, AND SO I MEAN THERE'S STILL SO MUCH CONFUSION BETWEEN WHAT CITIES DO AND COUNTIES DO, SO NO BIG SURPRISE HERE THAT ROADS CAME UP REALLY HIGH, BUT WE SHOULD NOT DISCOUNT THAT IN THE SENSE THAT COUNTY ROADS ARE STILL SUPER IMPORTANT TOO, BUT I BET YOU WEREN'T SURPRISED TO SEE ROADS. I THINK ALL OF US KNOW THAT ROADS ON PEOPLE'S MINDS INSIDE THE COUNTY AND NO SURPRISE THERE

THAT THAT'S THE BIG ONE. >> AND THE OTHERS WERE SENIOR SUPPORT. THAT WAS AN OPTION ON THE OTHER SHEET, BUT THIS HAD I BELIEVE 21 PEOPLE, SPECIFICALLY WROTE IN THAT THEY WANT FUNDING IT GO TOKER IS SUPPORT OR NON-PROFITS THAT SUPPORT SENIORS AS WELL AS PROGRAMS FOR HELPING THOSE EXPERIENCING POVERTY OR FOOD INSECURITY.

AND OF COURSE WE SEE SCHOOLING POP UP HERE AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, UNEMPLOYMENT. SO THESE ARE JUST THE PROJECTS THAT ZEN CITY WAS GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT PEOPLE WROTE IN, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE IT INCLUDED IN THE OTHER QUESTION.

THIS IS ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS.

THEY ASKED PEOPLE WHAT IS AN IMPORTANT INVESTMENT IN THE LONG

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RUN FOR NUECES COUNTY? AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ANSWERS LARGELY REFLECT HOW THEY WOULD SPEND THIS MONEY IN TERPS OF PRIORITIES. BUT THEY SAID THAT WE THINK DRAINAGE AND STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT LONG-TERM INVESTMENT FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL AS HELPING HOUSEHOLDS IN NEED AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

BELOW THAT, WE SEE SCHOOLING POP UP AGAIN, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, HOMELESSNESS, AND SMALL BUSINESS AND NON-PROFIT SUPPORT AND SO ON. BUT THESE WERE THE PROJECT TYPES THAT WERE LISTED AS IMPORTANT TO FUND FOR LONG-TERM RECOVERY.

THIS IS WHERE THEY PUT THOSE TWO QUESTIONS TOGETHER.

AND I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT THIS GREEN ZONE HERE THAT SHOWS WHERE THE PROJECTS THAT RESIDENTS LISTED AS IMPORTANT IN THE LONG RUN, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE IMPORTANT PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR RIGHT NOW. SO HERE WE SEE THAT RESIDENTS THINK THAT DRAINAGE IS A PRIORITY PROJECT FOR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS, AS WELL AS LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS, WE SEE PUBLIC SAFETY, SCHOOLING, AND SMALL BUSINESS AND NON-PROFIT SUPPORT TO GEM THEM OUT OF COVID-19.

AND NON-EMERGENCY RESPONSE FOR LONG-TERM AND PRIORITY WITH ARPA FUNDS. WITH THAT, WE SEE HOUSEHOLD NEEDS AND MENTAL HEALTH. AND THEY DIDN'T QUITE MAKE THE GREEN ZONE, BUT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY RELATED UP IN THE HIGH ZONE FOR BOTH RESPONSES. ANOTHER INTERESTING PIECE TO THIS WAS THEY ASKED FOR SOME BASIC DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION FROM RESPONDENTS SO THEY COULD IDENTIFY HOW PRIORITIZATION DIFFERS DEPENDING ON AGE GROUP OR ETHNICITY OR INCOME LEVEL.

AND I'LL JUST SAY WHAT WE HAD. ACROSS THE BOARD, THE WOMEN WHO RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY SAID THAT EVERYTHING IS A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT THAN MEN. SO THEY PRIORITIZED SCHOOLING AND DRAINAGE AND MENTAL HEALTH A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE MEN THAT RESPONDED AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT ZEN CITY NOTICED IN THEIR ANALYSIS, AND IN TERMS OF ETHNICITY, THE HISPANICS NOTICED MORE THAN OTHERS, INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH AND HELPING HOUSEHOLDS. LOOKING AT AGE.

THERE WERE SOME INTERESTING DIFFERENCES THERE AS WELL.

THEY FOUND THAT OLDER RESPONDENTS THOUGHT ABOUT DRAINAGE AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND YOUNGER ONES WANTED FUNDING TO GO TO SCHOOLING BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STILL IMPACTS THEM DAY-TO-DAY. THE OTHER CATEGORY WAS INCOME.

AND AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, WE FOUND THAT RESIDENTS WITH A HIGHER INCOME REPORTED MENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY AND HENG HOUSEHOLDS LOWER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE LOW INCOME AND HAVE BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY COVID-19.

THOSE WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT I CAPTURED.

JUDGE, IF YOU HAD ANY OTHER TAKE AWAYS FROM THAT?

>> THAT'S GOOD, AND BELINDA TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE GOING TO JOIN IN, AND THAT'S FINE. WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, EVERY MAJOR PROGRAM THAT I'M AWARER, PARTICULARLY AFTER DISASTERS, WE'RE USED TO HAVING WEATHER DISASTERS, AND SO WEATHER DISASTERS TYPICALLY HAVE THE DR PROGRAMS AND THE MITT PROGRAMS, THOSE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND PUBLIC HEARING, AND WHAT REALLY BOTHERED ME AS A CITIZEN IS TO GET ALL OF THIS MONEY IN ONE COMMUNITY AND WE AS A COURT SHOULD COMMEND OURSELVES, AND WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT SOME OF US HAD ALREADY NOTED, BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT DRAINAGE AND INFRASTRUCTURE IS VERY CRITICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH, IT SHOULD BE VERY GRATIFYING TO KNOW THAT OUR VISION AND PRIORITIES ARE NOT ONLY JUSTIFIED BY THESE COMMUNITY RESPONSES AND STAKEHOLDERS, BUT WE SHOULD FEEL CONFIDENT NOW AS WE SUPPORT THESE ENDEAVORS, SO WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT JAIL DIVERSION IN THE NEW YEAR AND MAINSTREAM AND OPERATIONS FOR OPERATIONS COUNTY-WIDE. KNOW THAT YOUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VALIDATED. BUT THERE ARE OTHER NUANCES THAT ARE VERY INTRIGUING. SO THE BIG STUFF UC WE GET CHECKMARKS, BUT OTHER STUFF IS CRITICAL AND THAT'S WHAT THE SURVEY IS ABOUT. I'VE BEEN WONDERING HOW DO WE HELP THE NON-PROFITS AND IN WHAT ARENAS?

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WHAT AREAS? IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER TRANSFORMATION, AND THIS IS OUR FRAMEWORK.

I APPRECIATE IT, AND I'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, AND GET DOWNSTAIRS TO PREPARE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF PEOPLE CAN'T COME IN PERSON, WE DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN IN THE NEXT TWO HOURS TO REMIND THEM, HEY -- OH, GOOD, HERE COMES SCOTT CROSS. YOU CAME TO ONE OF OUR FORUMS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT IN PERSON, AND IF YOU CAN'T COME, HERE'S A LINK. DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN TO DRUM UP BUSINESS, BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW, THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY FROM YOUR COMMUNITY. SCOTT CROSS, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP. GO AHEAD.

>> YES, MA'AM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION, AND THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING, LOOKING AT HOW ALL OF THE DATA IS BROKEN DOWN.

ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS THAT CAN YOU BREAK IT DOWN INTO A GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION? FOR EXAMPLE, THE ISLAND COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT BE PADRE OR MUSTANG ISLAND ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU FIND IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY. I KNOW DRAINAGE IS A HUGE ISSUE, AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT, BUT FOR US ON THE ISLAND, WE'RE AT SEA LEVEL. AND THERE'S NOTHING TO DRAIN TO, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE AS HIGH OF A PRIORITY.

I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE RESULTS WERE.

PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT OWN HOUSES AND PAY TAXES, WHAT THEIR RESPONSE WAS. THE BIGGEST THING I'VE BEEN HEARING, THEY WANT MORE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES FOR THE KIDS OUT HERE, AND THEY'RE ALSO IN DESPERATE NEED OF A NEW MEETING OR VENUE SPACE, THERE'S NOTHING TO FOSTER THAT OUT HERE.

>> COMMUNITY CENTER, AND YES, WE HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY ZIP CODE, SCOTT, SO WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.

AND ON THE 3:00 VERSION, RACHEL WILL YOU KIND OF MAYBE ADDRESS

THAT SO HE CAN LINK IN? >> SURE, I'LL TRY TO CONNECT WITH SUN CITY TO HAVE THAT DATA FOR THE 3:00.

YES. >> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THOSE ARE THE NUANCES THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WHEN YOU SEE THE COMMUNITY CENTERS, AND WHO ANSWERED WHAT, THE ZIP CODE. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, AND ALL OF THE SCHOOLS, EDUCATION GOT THEIR OWN ARP FUNDS, RIGHT? AND THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS THEIR OWN ARP FUND.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE? DECISIONS IN THE NEW YEAR AND THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BASE IT ON.

>> JUDGE, I WOULD ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING IN THE

NEXT -- >> WORKSHOP MAYBE?

>> I'M NOT UP FOR SETTING TONS OF EXTRA MEETINGS AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS SET ASIDE TIME SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE SAY 9:00, 10:00, WHERE WE DO THIS AFTERNOONA THING AND TALK ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE I KNOW WE ALL HAVE PROPOSALS AND THOUGHTS ON HOW TO BRING IT FORWARD AND SPEND IT, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOOD. SO THIS SURVEY HELPS A LOT.

AND SCOTT IS 100%, AND YOU HEARD IT WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE DOING THAT MEETING TOO, THE COMMUNITY CENTER IDEA CAME UP AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT AND MAYBE PUT THIS ON FOR TIME SPECIFIC. WE CAN'T DO THAT EVER MEETING, BUT AT LEAST PEOPLE WILL KNOW TO TUNE IN.

>> ITEM 22, IF WE LOOK AT IT QUICKLY, MAYBE WE CAN SET IT UP THERE, AND THAT'S THE COURT SCHEDULE FOR 2022.

AND MAYBE WE CAN THROW THAT IN THERE EVEN IF IT'S NOT NAMED EXACT. TO INCLUDE OF A DATE.

>> WE CAN SAY THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, EVERYBODY GET THEIR FEET UNDER THEM, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW A BUNCH OF EXTRA MEETINGS FOR PEOPLE, BUT THE SITUATION AND WHEN WE

CAN DO IT. >> I'M VERY MINDFUL AND WE HAVE GREAT FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE PROBABLY LISTENING INTENTLY ON THIS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SYNCED UP WITH JAIL DIVERSION, THEY ARE ABOUT TO BRING US DOLLARS ON COST ESTIMATES, AND THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

DR. GONZALES CAN WORK ON THAT AS FAR AS TIMING AND I SEE DARRYL HERE, AND I WAS PLACED BECAUSE IT MAY NOT HAVE LOOKED LIKE IT WAS AT THE TOP. BUT GOVERNOR INFRASTRUCTURE, IT, IT WAS A PRIORITY AND IT MAY NOT HAVE MADE THE 50, BUT IF YOU COMBINE THE HIGH PRIORITY WITH THE IMMEDIATE PRIORITY, IT'S 60%. AND TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET, LIKE NEW SOFTWARE FOR DALE AND SOME OF THE IT STUFF THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED.

THERE HAS TO BE ROOM THERE, AND IT ALSO SHOWS THAT THE FOLKS

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SUPPORT THAT. SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ONE SWEEPING WORKSHOP. BUT I DO KNOW THAT IF YOU WILL STUDY THIS DATA AND THINK ABOUT IT IN CONTEXT OF WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN WORKING IN YOUR MIND AND IT REALLY DOES TELL YOU HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD MAKE HAY, AND PLEASE DON'T FORGET THAT LEVERAGE PART. BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER DOLLARS TO LEVERAGE. SO THAT WHEN WE PRODUCE A REPORT, WE MIGHT SAY WE INVESTED.

I'M JUST SAYING A NUMBER, HYPOTHETICALLY, LOW NUMBERS, $1 FOR JAIL DIVERSION, BUT YOU KNOW YOU CAN GO GET TWO MORE DOLLARS FROM SAMSA OR HID OR WHATEVER, AND THAT ONE DOLLAR MADE YOU $3 AND WE GET TO REPORT THAT, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE SURVEYS, SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, THERE'S TOO MUCH WISH AND NOT ENOUGH MONEY, BUT IF YOU COMBINE EFFORTS, YOU CAN ACHIEVE IT ALL MAYBE, AND PARTICULARLY OVER TIME.

SO OKAY, RACHEL. WELL, IT'S VERY GOOD TO SEE YOU AND GOOD LUCK DOWNSTAIRS. AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I KNOW MAYBE MARIA, YOU MIGHT POP DOWN THERE AT SOME POINT JUST TO PROVIDE BACK UP THERE.

OKAY, GREAT. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND

ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY. >> THANK YOU, LET'S TACKLE THE MHIDS -- ACTUALLY, LET'S DO YOU GUYS, AND I'LL COME BACK TO NUMBER 8. BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYBODY.

OH, YEAH, HE IS HERE ONLINE. AND WELL, EITHER WAY, I CALLED IT ON MHID FIRST. WE HAVE MULTIPLES, 9, 10 AND 11,

[9. Discuss and consider approval of Interlocal Agreement between Nueces County, Nueces Center for Mental Health and Intellectual Disabilities, and the Nueces County Hospital District; Agreement relates to the provision of Jail Diversion, Crisis Intervention, and Jail-Based Competency Restoration Services for the period October 1, 2021 - September 30, 2022.]

ALL RELATING TO MHID, AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS.

ONE HAS TO DO WITH JAIL DIVERSION, AND THE OTHER WITH THE FORENSIC CONCERTIVE TREATMENT PROGRAM AND THE THIRD WITH THE WALK IN CRISIS PROGRAM. AND WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE, FROM AS THEY SAY, THAT WE LISTEN TO IN BEHAVIORAL AND MENTAL HEALTH.

ANDREA AND MARK AND XAVIER, AND DR. ZONZALES, IF EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER, THESE SHOULD GO QUICKLY.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, I'M MARK HENDRIX, THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR MHID.

AND WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU ARE THE COLLABORATIVE CONTRACTS TO FUND THE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST 3 AND A HALF YEARS. NOTHING THERE IS REALLY NEW TO YOU ALL, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS.

THE THREE NEW PROGRAMS ACTUALLY BEGAN IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, AND THIS IS THE CONTINUATION OF WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE? JEANINE, A QUICK NOD FROM YOU AND SHE SAYS YES, ALL RIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SOME INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT REGARDING JAIL DIVERSION, CIT, CRISIS INTERVENTION, AND CRISIS RESTORATION SERVICES, IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

[10. Discuss and consider approval Interlocal Agreement between Nueces County, Nueces Center for Mental Health and Intellectual Disabilities, and the Nueces County Hospital District; Agreement relates to the provision of Forensic Assertive Community Treatment Program Services for the period October 1, 2021 - September 30, 2022.]

AND JOHNNY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO PIPE IN ANY TIME.

WE HAVE ITEM SO, INTERLOCAL BETWEEN OASIS COUNTY AND THE HOSPITAL AND IT'S THE COMMUNITY TREATMENT PROGRAM.

>> JUDGE, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD, THESE CONTINUING COMMITMENT OF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TO FUND THESE PROGRAMS, AND THESE PROGRAMS ARE THE ONES THAT WERE CRITICIZED IN THE MEADOWS NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND AS MARK SAID, THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD YEAR AS WE MOVE THROUGH THESE AGREEMENTS, AND THAT'S ALL

I HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> JUDGE, WAS THAT 9 ONLY? >> THAT WAS NUMBER 9 ONLY AND

NOW WE'RE ON NUMBER 10. >> YOU DIDN'T DO THAT, CORRECT?

>> I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS OF A DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTER WERE MHID.

I'LL SWOOP RIGHT BACK TO IT. ON NUMBER 10, MARK, ANY OTHER

ADD ON THERE? >> NO MA'AM, AND UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THESE ARE A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING UP TO THIS POINT.

THERE ARE A FEW AREAS OF ENHANCEMENT BUT NOTHING NEW.

>> JUST FOR MY RECORD KEEPING, THIS IS YEAR THREE.

SO WHEN WE SAY YEAR 3, IS THAT 2021-2022?

>> CORRECT, THE DISTRICT FISCAL RUNS FROM OCTOBER 1 THREE SEPTEMBER 0, SO IT'S A MONTH AHEAD.

AND IT'S OUR THIRD CONTRACT HERE.

>> GOT T. I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.

>> AND WE HAD A SHORT CONTRACT IN THE VERY BEGINNING, LATE 2018

INTO 2019. >> AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO

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PROVE. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING

[11. Discuss and consider approval of Interlocal Agreement between Nueces County, Nueces Center for Mental Health and Intellectual Disabilities, and the Nueces County Hospital District; Agreement relates to the provision of Walk-In Crisis Clinic Services for the period October 1, 2021 - September 30, 2022.]

AYE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE WALK-IN CRISIS CLINIC AND I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT SHOULD GET HIGHLIGHTED, GUYS. I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL JUST HUGE, BUT I'M PARTICULARLY THINKING THIS ONE IS VERY MEANINGFUL.

>> ABSOLUTELY, WHAT IT IS, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE AT LEAST FOR NOW, BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 8 A.M. AND 5 P.M., IMMEDIATE ACCESS FROM A PROVIDORS FOR INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE DON'T NEED INPATIENT CARE.

WHAT WE SEE IN THE COMMUNITY OFTENTIMES, PEOPLE GO DIRECTLY TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM WHEN THEY NEED EMERGENT CARE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY EMERGENCY CARE, BUT THEY NEED HELP RIGHT NOW.

SO WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD COLLABORATIVE OUTREACH FOR CRISIS INTERVENTION, BETWEEN THE HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND NOW WITH THE ADDITION OF THE CLINIC, WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GAIN ACCESS TO A PSYCHIATRIC PROVIDER. IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LACK OF AVAILABILITY FOR THOSE TYPES OF PROVIDERS, IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE OF OASIS COUNTY.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST CAME TO MY ATTENTION, YOU AND I AND DR. GONZALES WERE ALL PLANNING THIS SYMPOSIUM ON SUBSTANCE ABUSE, AND IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION, SIBOXON, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRESCRIBE IT? IT'S OKAY, BUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO GET A CLINIC FOR THAT SPECIALIZED PLACE? IF WE DON'T HAVE A PROVIDER FOR THAT, IT'S ANOTHER GAP THAT WE'RE MISSING.

>> IT'S DEFINITELY A COMPLEX ISSUE.

THE DEA TRACKING AND THE NUMBERS, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO PLAY A ROLE. THE GOOD NEWS IS, AS THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY FOR OASIS COUNTY, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ACCREDITATION FOR HEALTH STATUS FOR OUR JOINT ACCREDITATION AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS. BUT A CORE COMPONENT TO THAT, FOR THE FIRST TIME OUR ORGANIZATION, DELVING IN, AMBULATORY DETOX, AND THAT INCLUDES SIMOXONE.

>> AGAIN, IF YOU CAN'T GET HELP, SOMEBODY HAS TO BE ABLE TO PRESCRIBE IN A SAFE ZONE. AWESOME.

HOW ABOUT I MAKE THIS FINAL MOTION FOR THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT REGARDING THE WALK-IN CRISIS CLINIC SERVICES, AND THERE'S A SECOND. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY

BY SAYING AYE. >> OKAY, MARK, I HAVE A QUESTION. THE WALK-IN CLINIC, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A PLUS. IS THERE AN AGE LIMIT FOR ANYBODY TO WALK IN IF THEY NEED HELP? TO STAY THERE A WEEK OR TWO, WHATEVER?

>> SO THE WALK-IN CRISIS CLINIC IS NOT NECESSARILY A RESIDENTIAL CLINIC WHERE WE HOST PEOPLE IN CRISIS.

THERE'S NOT AN AGE LIMIT, BUT DEPENDING ON OUR PROVIDER MIX, THERE ARE SOME POPULATION LIMITATIONS, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING, A, TO CREATE A SYSTEM FOR A PROVIDER BUT TODAY, WE'RE ABLE TO SERVE CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS AND ADULTS THROUGH

THE WALK-IN CLINIC. >> THEY ARE COMMIT.

>> SO IT'S NOT ABOUT COMMITMENT, SURE.

IT'S ABOUT AVOIDING THAT COMMITMENT.

SO THE IDEA, IF YOU WANT A SNAPSHOT OF HOW IT FUNCTIONS, THE CRISIS TEAM RESPONDS TO A CALL AND WE IDENTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RISK AND THEY NEED SUPPORT AND WE BRING THEM IN IMMEDIATELY TO THE CLINIC BECAUSE WITH OUT THAT, THEY'RE LIKELY TO END UP IN CRISIS CARE AND A RISK TO SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO BASED ON GETTING THEM ON-SITE, THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE A PHYSICIAN THAT IS ABLE TO PRESCRIBE MEDICATIONS FOR THEM.

AND THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF OUR SERVICES COME IN, FROM THE RESPITE UNIT TO OUTPATIENT AND CHILDREN AND ADD LESS ANTS, AMILOIR AIN'T FOR THE COMMITMENT.

>> WHERE DO THEY GO? >> SO WE HAVE THE RESPITE COMMUNITY. 24-7.

IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL. AND I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE NOMENCLATURE. THE STATE IDENTIFIED IT AS

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SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT RESPITE IS.

BUT IT'S A 24-7 FACILITY. BROAD SUPPORT AND GROUPS, AND RISK FACTORS, AS WELL AS MEDICATION MANAGEMENT TRAINING AND SKILLS TRAINING THAT CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THERAPIES AND THE BREADTH OF THE SERVICES THAT NOT ONLY WE PROVIDE BUT OTHER SUPPORT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE LINK THEM TO EVERYTHING THEY NEED IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM FROM GOING TO THE HOSPITAL OR TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE HOSPITAL.

THIS IS NOT A CONCRETE STATISTIC, BUT I'M BASING IT ON 13, 14 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. AND PEOPLE WHO END UP IN HOSPITALS SEEKING HELP ARE NOT PEOPLE QUALIFIED OR KNEADING

PSYCHIATRIC CARE. >> IS THERE A PLACE TO SEND

THEM. >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO PATIENT CONTRACTS. INTOLA, IT'S THE LAW THAT DICTATES THAT IF SOMEONE IS IN EMERGING HEALTHCARE NEED, SOMEBODY HAS TO SERVE THEM. AND OUR LOCAL FACILITIES CERTAINLY DO THAT. WE HAVE TWO INPATIENT FACILITIES, ONE IS LOCATED AT MEMORIAL AND THE SECOND --

>> YEAH, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL, WHICH IS OPERATED BY HCA.

AND THOSE ARE TWO OF THEM. AND THE SEPARATE FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS CONTRACTS FOR INDIGENT PATIENT COSTS, AND SO IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE INSURANCE, WE CAN FACILITATE THAT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO GET

THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. >> I THINK I REFERRED SOMEBODY TO YOU LAST WEEK AS A WALK IN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY MADE.

>> I CAN'T GO INTO DETAILS, BUT RESTA INSURED WE GOT THEM TAKEN

CARE OF. >> MARK, Y'ALL DO AVAILABLE SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. BUT DO YOU HAVE A WAY OF TRACKING THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ALL HELP AND SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING?

>> ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.

WE HAVE AN ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD IN WHICH IT DOCUMENTS ON SUPPORTS ALL OF THE SERVICE THAT'S WE PROVIDE TO THE PEOPLE WE SERVE, AND WE ALSO HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF STANDARDS AS IT RELATES TO FOLLOWUP CARE AND ENGAGEMENT SERVICES AND CLINICAL OUTCOMES FOR THE PEOPLE WE SERVE.

THE CIRCUMSTANCE AND PERCENTILE TART FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THAT CONTRACT FOR WHAT PERSONNEL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS END UP IN WHAT WE CALL A FULL LEVEL OF CARE OR ONGOING OUTPATIENT SERVICES AND THOSE IN AN EXTERNAL SYSTEM OF CARE.

SO EVERYTHING IS PRETTY WELL TRACKED SO WE HAD THE ABILITY TO REPORT ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT METRICS, WE USE, ALL OF OUR SERVICES ARE EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICES, MOST OF WHICH ARE DEFINED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE JOINT COMMISSION ACCREDITED, WHICH IS A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD OF CARE, FOR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS TO HOLD THEMSELVES TO, SO WE TRY OUR BEST TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND

FOR PEOPLE. >> WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE A

GOOD TRACK RECORD? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I'M SURE YOU DO. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU, MARK. WE'RE SORT OF TEETERING AROUND TWO DIFFERENT AWESOME CONCEPTS. ONE IS THAT WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, AND WE'RE DOING GREAT WITH, AND CONTINUING SUCCESS, AND ONE IS A NEW PROGRAM.

AND THEN THE ITEM THAT WAS REALLY JUST ALLUDED TO, WHICH IS WHERE DO THEY GO? AND WE NEED TO SOLVE THE WHERE DO THEY GO, AND I THINK THAT'S FOR Q1 NEXT YEAR.

WHERE THEY NEED TO GO IS A DIVERSION CENTER IN SO MANY WAYS, AND SO I THINK THAT PLUS THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COME FULL CIRCLE.

SO THESE PROGRAMS ARE AMAZING BUT WE STILL HAVE GAPS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> YEAH, SO DID WE -- WE'RE GOOD ON ALL THREE? SO MARK, WE'RE GOOD ON ALL THREE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU AT LEAST

ON MY AGENDA TODAY. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE.

>> APPRECIATE YOU. AND JOHNNY, WE DO HAVE ONE MORE,

[8. Discuss and consider approval of Interlocal Purchasing Agreement between Nueces County and Nueces County Hospital District enabling the Hospital District to use and rely on the County’s procurement of and award for Disaster Recovery Management under County RFP No. 3141-20 including use of and reliance on all responsive proposals received under the RFP.]

SO I'LL BACK UP TO ITEM NUMBER 8.

THIS IS AN INTERLOCAL PURCHASING AGREEMENT BETWEEN NC AND NCHD, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. AND IT'S ENABLING, A DOCUMENT THAT WILL ENABLE THE HOSPITAL TO RELY ON THE COUNTY OWES

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PROCUREMENT AND AWARD FOR DISASTER RECOVERY MANAGEMENT.

AND THAT IS TO ALLOW HAGGERTY TO HELP YOU GUYS GET THE PAPERWORK IN TO BE ABLE TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENT OF THE TWO CFR200 STATUTE. SO ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS? AND ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THIS TO THIS COURT SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH YOUR SDOH REIMBURSEMENT?

>> YES, JUDGE, WE ARE, AND WE SEE GREAT VALUE IN STAYING WITH HAGGERTY TO HELP US WITH THIS. THEY USE THE PRODUCTS OF THE TWO ITEMS, THAT WE'RE SEEKING REIMBURSEMENT FOR, AND USE THOSE IN SOME OF THE SUBMITTALS THAT THE COUNTY HAS, AND SO THEY CLEARLY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO INTEGRATE THE USE OF THAT INTO THESE PROGRAMS, SO WE TALKED TO MICHAEL AND THIS PURCHASING AGREEMENT WAS ESSENTIALLY WORK LIKE A PURCHASING CO-OP WHERE THE BIDDING HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE AND THE AWARDS ALREADY DONE, AND WE USE THAT TO GET OUR OWN CONTRACT WITH HAGGERTY TO HELP US WITH THAT ASSISTANCE, AND WE DO AGREE WITH IT AND THE DISTRICT IS RECOMMENDING THAT

YOU ALL CONSIDER APPROVAL. >> OKAY, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CALLS THAT WE HAD THAT IT'S APPROXIMATELY 4,200-DOLLAR WORTH OF SERVICES IN ORDER TO DO ALL OF THE PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED JUST IN CASE ANYBODY WAS WONDERING JUST TO GET US TO THAT REIMBURSEMENT

POINT. >> AND JUDGE, CAN I ASK, I ASSUME THIS IS IN PART FOLLOWUP TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD

PRIOR. >> IT IS.

>> AND THIS WILL ALLOW Y'ALL TO SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSE.

>> CORRECT AND AGAIN, HISTORICALLY, THE LAST AGREEMENT OF MY CONCERN, AND MAYBE OTHERS ON THE COURT TOO, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT THAT PARTICULAR AGREEMENT MIGHT HAVE LEFT US HANGING WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, MIGHT, AND THIS NOW, BECAUSE HOSPITALS HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO SEEK REIMBURSEMENT, THIS WILL PROVIDE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK IT INDEPENDENTLY, SO THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE MAYBE ANY LIABILITY OUT THERE. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST A GOOD THING THAT IF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT THEMSELVES, THEY SHOULD, AND HOPEFULLY WHAT IT MEANS TOO, WE ARE AS WE SAID WE WOULD DO, ASSISTING BY LETTING HAGGERTY BE USED BY THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TO GET THIS GOING, AND DOING AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE SAID AT THAT MEETING, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT HELP YOU ALL OUT BY USING HAGGERTY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, AND A WRAP-UP OF THAT IF I'M NOT

MISTAKEN. >> AND ONE FURTHER, BY THIS AGREEMENT, WE WOULD NOT BE PAYING HAGGERTY AND NOT BEING REIMBURSED FOR IT. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO USE HAGGERTY AND BEING REIMBURSED BY HAGGERTY ALONG WITH THE OH.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> HOW ABOUT A SECOND, AND ALL IN FAVOR, AYE, AND THANK YOU. AND THEY COULDN'T STAY, SO I'LL

[12. Receive presentation regarding local carbon capture and sequestration projects.]

DO A TABLE ON ITEM 12, MOTION TO TABLE AND THEY WILL COME BACK IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, WHENEVER WE CAN GET THEM IN.

MOTION AND A SECOND. AND DO YOU MIND IF YOU SAY

SOMETHING ABOUT IT. >> I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

>> FOR A MOMENT. I WANT TO SAY DR. TIP MACKLEFROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS WAS ON THE LINE, NOT THAT HE'S ON THE LINE NOW, BUT I DO APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO BE PATIENT WITH US AND WE'LL RESCHEDULE. BUT THESE ARE TWO WORDS THAT YOU'RE HEARING OVER AND OVER FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE NATION, FROM THE SECRETARY OF ENERGY.

AND I JUST GOT MY UT ENGINEERING -- WHAT IS IT, END OF YEAR NOTEBOOK, AND THAT HAS LIKE THE COVER, AND SO CARBON CAPTURE AND EC WES TRACE IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO FAMILIARIZE OURSELVES WITH. THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE IT FOR ESTUARIES AND BAYS AS WELL. AND THEY ARE HAPPY TO DO IT.

AND WE'LL CATCH UP WITH THEM IN THE NEW YEAR.

BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THESE ARE THE TERMS OF OUR FUTURE AND THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO THIS IS ON THE WE STATED EARLY ON THAT THE PORT, THE LARGE PORT OF THE AMERICAS, I BELIEVE OUR PORT MOST LIKELY COULD BE POISED FROM OFFSHORE AND ONSHORE BASIS, COULD BE THE CAPTURE SEQUESTRATION AS WELL.

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DON'T BE SURPRISED. NO ASK OF YOU, THIS IS A LEARN BEING EXPERIENCE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH. OTHERWISE, WHEN YOU'RE ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS MEANINGFUL.

SO THANK YOU TO UT AND DR. MACKLE, AND WE'LL GET HIM BACK. BELINDA, I THINK I'LL SAY TO THE LAST WEEK IN WHY NOT, BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS, DOES THAT SOUND GOOD, AND I'LL TAKE YOUR SECOND,

[13. Receive presentation regarding Texas District and County Retirement System benefits of Nueces County Health District Employees.]

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, AND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AND NOW WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT JENNY HELPED ARRANGE FROM TDCRS. AND IT'S BENEFITS WITH EMPLOYEES, AND I THINK ONLINE IS SOMEBODY FOR US, RICHARD ASHCROFT. WELCOME, THIS IS BARBARA CANALES, COUNTY AND IF YOU COULD UNMUTE.

THERE YOU ARE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JUDGE, MY NAME IS RICHARD ASHCRAFT. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF HOW YOUR PLAN WORKS, AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY?

>> REAL FINE, THANK YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU.

AND SO THIS GIVES THE LOCAL CONTROL, AND SO WE ARE VERY UNIQUE FROM OTHER RETIREMENT SYSTEMS HERE IN TEXAS.

AND SO HOW YOUR PLAN WORKS IS EMPLOYEES OF NUECES COUNTY, IS THAT EVERY EMPLOYEE WITH NUECES COUNTY CONTRIBUTES 7% OF PAY EVERY TIME THEY GET CHECKS, IT'S DEPOSITED INTO THEIR ACCOUNT.

AND THEN EACH YEAR, THEIR ACCOUNT BALANCE ALSOA CREWS 7% COMPOUND INTEREST, AND THOSE ARE THE TWO COMPONENTS OF HOW THE ACCOUNT GROWS, SO ON THE FINANCIAL ASPECT, EACH EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTES 7% AND EARNS 7% COMPOUND INTEREST.

WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING IS MATCHING DOLLARS SO WHEN AN EMPLOYEE RETIRES, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THEIR ACCOUNT BALANCES OF THEIR DEPARTMENTS AND INTEREST, AND MATCH THAT WITH THE MATCHING DOLLARS AT THE TIME THEY'RE TAKING THE RETIREMENT CHECK, THE MONTHLY RETIREMENT PITCH FOR LIFE.

AND THE MAXIMUM IS $2 FOR EACH DOLLAR AT RETIREMENT.

OF COURSE LONGEVITY PAYS OVER TIME.

AND Y'ALL HAVE LOTS OF FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN EMPLOYEES WITH NUECES COUNTY FOR A WHILE. AND THIS IS JUST A GREAT GRAPH AND AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT ACCOUNT GROWS SIGNIFICANTLY, ESPECIALLY WITH COMPOUND INTEREST.

SO THE LONGER AN EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTES, THE MORE COMPOUND INTEREST THEY INCUR. AND IT WORKS THAT THEY HAVE MORE INTEREST IN THE ACCOUNT THAN THE CONTRIBUTIONS.

BUT OVER TIME, THE EMPLOYEE TAKES THE ACCOUNT BENEFIT AND WE APPLY THOSE MATCHING DOLLARS, AND WE CALCULATE THAT LIFETIME BENEFIT FOR THE REST OF LIFE. MANY FACTORS THAT PLAY A ROLE IN THE CALCULATION OF THE MOSTLY BENEFIT, THE AGE AT WHICH AN EMPLOYEE TAKES RETIREMENT BENEFIT.

BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHEN THE EMPLOYEE STARTED WITH THE COUNTY, THAT CAN GIVE THEM ELIGIBILITY AT A YOUNGER AGE, AND OF COURSE AT THE TIME THEY RETIRE, THEY CHOOSE WHAT IS CALLED A BENEFIT OPTION. WHEN THEY RETIRE, THEY CHOOSE A PAYMENT OPTION FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE LEAVING BEHIND FOR THEIR BENEFICIARY AND HOW LONG FOR THAT RETIREMENT BENEFIT MANY IT'S IMPORTANT AS AN EMPLOYEE CONTINUES GOING THROUGH THEIR CAREER OR AS LONG AS THEY HAVE MONEY IN THEIR ACCOUNT, THEY KEEP THEIR BENEFICIARIES UP-TO-DATE IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT THAT AN EMPLOYEE WERE TO PASS AWAY BEFORE THEY TAKE THEIR RETIREMENT BENEFIT.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHO TO PAY OUT THAT BENEFIT SO.

SO SERVICE TIME MATTERS. WE EACH REACH DIFFERENT MILESTONES THROUGHOUT OUR CAREERS, SO EVERY TIME WE GET A DEPOSIT FROM PAY, THAT GIVES AN EMPLOYEE ONE MONTH SERVICE CREDIT, AND THAT SERVICE CREDIT ALLOWS THEM TO PREACH DIFFERENT MILESTONES. WHAT WE CALL MILESTONES.

AND THAT'S HOW AN EMPLOYEE AT OASIS COUNTY EARNS SERVICE TIME,

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THROUGH A MONTHLY CONTRIBUTION OR DEPOSIT.

NOW, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO EARN SERVICE CREDIT, NOT ONLY AS AN EMPLOYEE OF NUECES COUNTY. BUT ALSO, IF ANY EMPLOYEE HAS EVER HAD SERVICE TIME OUTSIDE OF ANOTHER TCDRA, FOR EXAMPLE THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI AUTHORITY OR FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTY LIKE CLAYBORN COUNTY, THAT COUNTIES AS SERVICE TIME IN NUECES COUNTY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF FLUIDITY REGARDING SERVICE TIME AND EARNING SERVICE CREDIT.

ANOTHER WAY THIS AN EMPLOYEE IS EARN SERVICE TIME IS PROPORTIONATE SERVICE, ANDS THIS WHERE WE RECOGNIZE SERVICE TIME IN OTHER TEXAS PUBLIC RETIREMENT SYSTEMS. WE RECOGNIZE SERVICE TIME WITH FIVE OTHER RETIREMENT SYSTEMS, WHICH IS ERS, THE JRS SYSTEM, THE JUDICIAL RETIREMENT SYSTEM, TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM, TMRS, THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL RETIREMENT SYSTEM, AND THE COA, THE CITY OF AUS RETIREMENT SYSTEM. SO IF ANY EMPLOYEE HAS SERVICE TIME WITH ANY OF THOSE FIVE WITH PROPORTIONATE SERVICE, THAT SERVICE TIME CAN BE ADDED TO THEIR SERVICE TIME WITH TCDRA, NUECES COUNTY. SO THEY CAN'T PUT THEIR MONEY IN THAT OTHER SYSTEM INTO TCDRS. BUT HOWEVER, WE CAN COUNT THE TIME. AND THAT'S REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT JUST FOR THE FACT THAT IF AN EMPLOYEE COMES TO NUECES COUNTY BUT THEY HAVE FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE IN TMRS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CAN BE ADDED TO THEIR SERVICE TIME AND HELPS THAT EMPLOYEE BECOME VESTED. AND ELIGIBLE SOONER.

>> MR. ASHCRAFT, THAT'S GREAT. AND I'M GOING TO STOP YOU THERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO MIKE SURE THAT YOU GAVE THIS PRESENTATION, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE THEIR TIME. TELL ME ABOUT, IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE. YOU SAID THEY CAN'T MOVE THEIR

MONEY. >> THAT'S CORRECT, SO AN EMPLOYEE, I'M GOING TO USE IT. MRS FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE SERVICE TIME WITH TMRS AND THEN SAY LEAVE THE CITY AND COME WORK AT THE COUNTY. AND THAT ACCOUNT, AND THIS WILL BE SPOKEN ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE.

THEY LEAVE THEIR MONEY WITH TMRS, AND THEY START THEIR ACCOUNT AS AN EMPLOYEE THERE WITH OASIS COUNTY.

AND SO THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE KEPT SEPARATE.

SO TIME IS THE BIG THING. SO ALTHOUGH THEY CAN'T BRING OVER ANY MONEY OR ADD ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT THEY CONTRIBUTED OUT OF PAY, THAT TIME CAN COUNT TOWARD THEIR VESTING AND ELIGIBILITY. BUT ALSO TOO, JUDGE, VERY SIMILARLY, IT CAN WORK KIND OF VISA VERSA AS WELL.

SO EVEN IF AN EMPLOYEE,FLEXION, SAYS WHAT IF I LEAVE THE COUNTY? WHAT IF I LEAVE EMPLOYMENT AT OASIS COUNTY AND MAYBE THEY HAVE MONEY BUT THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE YET.

SO IF ON AN EMPLOYEE WERE TO SEPARATE EMPLOYMENT AND SAY THEY HAVE EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE, AND THEY'RE VESTED BUT THEY MAY NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE. THEY CAN LEAVE THIS MONEY IN THEIR TCDRS ACCOUNT AND DO WHATEVER, AND DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND LEAVE THE MONEY THERE.

AND THAT MONEY IS STILL GOING TO EARN THE 7% COMPOUND INTEREST.

ON AVERAGE, JUST WITH THE POWER OF 7% COMPONENT INTEREST, AN EMPLOYEE'S ACCOUNT CAN NEARLY DOUBLE EVERY TEN YEARS JUST ON THE POWER OF 7% COMPOUND INTEREST OVER TIME.

AND LET'S SAY THAT EMPLOYEE HAS 8 YEARS OF SERVICE, IF THEY JUST LEAVE THEIR MONEY THERE AND SIT AND GROW, THEY MAY NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE. BUT THEY WILL EVENTUALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR A BENEFIT WITH TCDRS.

>> SO IS IT ALL GOOD? IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE? IT SOUNDS SO -- I FEEL LIKE I'M ON A DISNEY RIDE.

SO FAR IT ALL SOUNDS FABULOUS, IS THERE ANYTHING BAD OR NEGATIVE? I MEAN THERE HAS TO BE -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. THIS IS WHY -- THIS IS A HIGH-LEVEL CONCERN. IS IT ALL GOOD? IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE? THIS IS THE TIME TO TELL US SO

WE CAN WEIGH THAT OPTION. >> IS THERE A DOWNSIDE?

>> YES, IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE TO ROLLING OVER AND COMING OVER

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BACKWARDS OR FORWARDS? IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE THAT YOU

NEED TO DISCLOSE? >> NO, I MEAN IF AN EMPLOYEE WERE TO SAY LEAVE NUECES COUNTY, IF THEY WERE TO SEPARATE EMPLOYMENT AND THEY CHOOSE TO WITHDRAW THEIR MONEY OR ROLL OVER THEIR MONEY INTO ANOTHER QUALIFIED PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CHOOSE TO FORFEIT ANY RIGHT TO MATCHING OR RETIREMENT BENEFIT, BUT THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT THE EMPLOYEE HAS IF THEY WERE TO SEPARATE EMPLOYMENT. REGARDING THEIR ACCOUNT.

>> ONLINE FROM TM RS TO CROSS-REFERENCE SO YOU CAN ASK

THOSE QUESTIONS. >> OKAY, WHY DON'T YOU REPEAT

THAT FORFEITURE ONE MORE TIME. >> SURE, YES, MA'AM.

SO IF AN EMPLOYEE WERE TO SEPARATE EMPLOYMENT AND THEY CHOOSE NOT TO LEAVE THEIR MONEY WITH TCDRS, THEY CHOOSE TO EITHER ROLL OVER THEIR DEPOSITS AND INTEREST FROM TCDRS INTO ANOTHER RETIREMENT ACCOUNT OR TO CHOOSE TO TAKE THEIR MONEY OUT OF TCDRS, THEY CHOOSE TO FORFEIT THEIR LIFETIME DIFFERENT IN THE EMPLOYEE MATCHING. BUT WE MENTIONED SERVICE TIME AS WELL. AND EVEN IF AN EMPLOYEE WERE TO LEAVE EMPLOYMENT AND LEAVE THEIR MONEY WITH TCDRS AND SAY THEY WERE TO GET SERVICE DOCTOR FROM A NTMRS, THAT CAN ALLOW THEM TO BE VESTED AND ELIGIBLE FOR A BENEFIT.

>> SO ONE, IF THEY LEAVE IT THERE, THEN IF THEY GO TO ANOTHER ENTITY, ANY ENTITY, IF THEY LEAVE IT THERE, THEY DON'T GIVE UP THEIR LIFETIME BENEFIT, RIGHT? SO IF THEY LEAVE THE COUNTY FOR WHATEVER REASON AND THEY CONTINUE TO GET THEIR LIFETIME BENEFIT, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT, JUST IT MAKE SURE I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY.

IF THEY LEAVE NUECES COUNTY AND LEAVE THEIR MONEY WITH TCDRS, EXACTLY, THEIR ACCOUNT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO EARN 7% COMPOUND INTEREST, AND THEY WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO EARN THAT LIFETIME BENEFIT. THE KEY COMPONENTS REGARDING SERVICE TIME IS ONE BEING VESTED.

YOUR VESTING PERIOD WITH NUECES COUNTY IS 8 YEARS OF SERVICE, SO THAT'S ONE KEY COMPONENT FOR AN EMPLOYEE TO EARN A RETIREMENT BENEFIT WITH MATCHING DOLLARS FROM THE COUNTY IS BEING VESTED, HAVING EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE, AND THEN MEETING A RULE ELIGIBILITY, OKAY? BUT LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE AN EMPLOYEE LEAVES WITH 5 YEARS OF SERVICE.

THEY'RE NOT VESTED, EVEN IF THAT EMPLOYEE CHOOSES TO LEAVE THEIR MONEY WITH TCDRS, IT WILL CONTINUE TO EARN 7% COMPOUND INTEREST, BECAUSE SAY THAT EMPLOYEE GOES TO TMRS, AND THREE YEARS EMPLOYMENT WERE THEM AND FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE WITH TMRS WOULD GIVE THEM THAT SERVICE CREDIT TO BECOME VESTED AND EVENTUALLY BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR THAT LIFETIME BENEFIT.

>> SO THEY COULD POTENTIALLY PICK UP A LIFETIME BENEFIT AT

TMRS ALSO. >> ABSOLUTELY, AND YOU MAY WANT TO CORRECT ME AS WELL, SIR, WITH THEY WILL START TO LEAVE THE MONEY HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND LET IT SIT AT TCDRS.

AND I KEEP USING TCRS FOR EXAMPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE ONE OF OUR SISTER SYSTEMS, BUT THEY WILL START A NEW ACCOUNT WITH WHATEVER CITY THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO, AND IN THAT AREA, SO THEY'RE GROWING THAT ACCOUNT THROUGH CONTRIBUTIONS AND INTEREST IN THAT SYSTEM WHILE THIS ACCOUNT IS SITTING AND EARNING 7% COMPOUND INTEREST, AND THE TIME IS FLUID, OKAY? SO THE TIME THEY HAVE WITH SAY TMRS WOULD STILL GIVE THEM CREDIT.

AND IT'S JUST UP TO THE EMPLOYEE IF THAN TO OCCUR, IT'S UP TO THE EMPLOYEE TO CONTACT TCRS TO LET US KNOW THAT ANY OF THEIR PROPORTIONATE RETIREMENT SYSTEMS.

>> I THINK THAT TCRS IS ON THE LINE AND THEY CAN JUMP IN TOO, BUT BASICALLY, TM RS HAS SOME TYPE OF BENEFIT.

IF IT'S A LIFETIME BENEFIT, BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT ANY EMPLOYEE

LOSES A LIFETIME BENEFIT. >> FORFEIT IT.

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>> PULL IT OUT OF TCDRS AND NOT PUT IT INTO SOMETHING LIKE TMRS

WHICH ALSO HAS ONE, RIGHT? >> CORRECT, SO THE WAY AN EMPLOYEE WOULD LOSE THEIR OPPORTUNITY FOR A LIFETIME BENEFIT, WHICH INCLUDES EMPLOYER MATCH, WOULD BE IF THEY CHOOSE

TO MOVE ON OUT OF TCDRS. >> I'M SURE THAT AT SOME POINT, YOU'LL TELL US THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO SYSTEMS --

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE SLIDES? >> SO WE AT TCBRS A THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY SIMILAR RETIREMENT SYSTEMS IN THAT EMPLOYEES CONTRIBUTE A PORTION OF THEIR CHECK, AND I'M JUST REITERATING.

AN EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTES A PORTION OF THEIR CHECK.

AND THEN EARNS THE COMPOUND INTEREST AND THEN THE MATCHING DOLLARS DETERMINED BY THE COUNTY IS PROVIDED AT THE TIME THEY CHOOSE IT TAKE THEIR RETIREMENT CHECK.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY -- I MEAN NOT THAT YOU NEED IT, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE SLIDES BEFORE WE PITCH TO TMS HERE? I MEAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HANG ON FOR A LITTLE BIT AND LISTEN IN TO WHAT THEY WILL

SHARE WITH US. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU

WOULD. >> AND THEN WE COULD ROUNDTABLE

BACK IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> I DON'T MIND HANGING OUT FOR A LITTLE BIT AND LET THE OTHER SPEAKER SPEAK, AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION HE MAY SHARE, WE COULD BOUNCE SOME SIMILARITIES AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS CLEAR FOR Y'ALL.

>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> WELL, GREAT.

CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? >> WE CAN.

>> EXCELLENT, I KNOW RICHARD KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS, BUT TMRS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE TEXAS COUNTY AND DISTRICT RETIREMENT TCBRS. SO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT RICHARD COVERED ARE GOING TO BE SIMILAR, BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF SMALL DIFFERENCES AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO JUDGE FOR LETTING ME SPEAK IT. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE POSSIBLE ABOUT TMR AS MUCH.

IN TMRS, IT'S 5% AS OPPOSED TO 7% THAT RICHARD WAS DISCUSSING.

THERE'S A 200% MATCH. AND CORPUS CHRISTI DOES THE SAME IT HUNDRED% MATCH. AND EVERY CITY THAT PARTICIPATES IN TMRS, WE HAVE 904 CITIES NOW PARTICIPATING IN THE PLAN, AND THEY ALL GET TO CHOOSE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BENEFITS, AND NUECES COUNTY MAY BE DIFFERENT AND THE PLAN.

YOU CAN CHOOSE THE LEVEL OF BENEFITS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES, AND THESE ARE THE BENEFITS THAT CORPUS CHRISTI HAS SELECTED. WE HAVE THE 2% MATCH AND THE INTEREST CREDIT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER FEATURES THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY SYSTEM.

AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PROVISIONS. ONE IS UPDATED SERVICE CREDIT, AND IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT SALARY INCREASES IN A PERSON'S CAREER, AND THROUGHOUT THE TIME IN CORPUS CHRISTI, YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE SALARY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS AND RUN A CALCULATION AS IF THAT PERSON'S CURRENT SALARY HAD BEEN IN PLACE FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THEY HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY AND THAT CAN ADD A FINANCIAL CREDIT AND WE COMPARE THAT WITH THE DIFFERENT INTEREST RATES WITH THE COUNTY AND TMRS AND I WANTED TO POINT IT OUT. THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI OFFERS A COST OF LIVE ADJUSTMENT FOR A RETIREE.

SO ONCE SOMEONE HAS BEEN THERE A FULL YEAR, THEY COULD RECEIVE A MONTHLY INCREASE BASED ON THE BENEFIT.

AND THE ECONOMY, AND THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI OFFERS ONE OF THREE OPTIONS AVAILABLE. THEY OFFER 30% OF THAT CHANGE.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR WHAT THAT MEANS, IF INFLATION WAS SO%, THEN A RETIREE WOULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE 10% OF THAT OR A 3%

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INCREASE ON THE CHECK THROUGH THE REST OF THEIR LIFE.

AND IF INFLATION WAS LOWER IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE EVERY YEAR, BUT IT'S A NICE BENEFIT. IF I WAS DOING THIS PRESENTATION TWO YEARS AGO, NOBODY WOULD CARE MUCH ABOUT INFLATION, BUT WE'RE IN SAY DIFFERENT TIME NOW. SO BESIDES THE SUBTLE DISTANCES, FLURRY A COUPLE OF OTHERS. WITHIN TMRS, TO QUALIFY FOR A BENEFIT, VERY SIMILAR TO TCMRS, INVESTED, THE INVESTMENT WITH CORPUS CHRISTI IS 5 YEARS, SO INSTEAD OF EIGHT YEARS WITH THE COUNTY, IT WOULD BE FIVE YEARS WITH T CBRS.

AND WITH THE PROGRAM WE DISCUSSED, SAY AN EMPLOYEE HAD THREE YEARS WHEN THEY LEFT THE COUNTY SYSTEM.

THEY CAME TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, AND THEY WORKED ANOTHER TWO YEARS, AND THEY NOW SUPER FIVE YEARS COMBINED AND THOSE FIVE YEARS WOULD COUNT WITH TCBRS AND IT GOES BOTH WAYS TO HELP MEMBERS QUALIFY FOR BOTH SYSTEMS. AS RICHARD MENTIONED, THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE SEPARATE ACCOUNTS WITH THIS, SO THE MONEY CANNOT BE COMBINED.

A QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT ROLLING MONEY OVER, AND THE LAW DOESN'T HAVE A WAY FOR US TO ROLL OVER FROM THE COUNTY OR THE STATE OR ANYWHERE ELSE. IT REALLY IS JUST THE MONEY THAT'S CONTR CONTRADICT FROM THT EMPLOYEE'S PAYCHECK AND THE INTEREST THAT IT HAS ACCRUED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

WHEN SOMEONE IS VESTED AND QUALIFIED FOR BENEFITS, THEY HAVE TO BE AT LEAST AGE 60. SO VEST THE WAY TO BE QUALIFIED FOR BENEFITS, AND THE SECOND IS IF THE MEMBER HAS 20 YEARS OF SERVICE, THEY CAN RETIRE TO THEIR ACCOUNT IMMEDIATELY.

SO 20 YEARS OF SERVICE TO RETIRE THEIR ACCOUNT, AND TO BE CLEAR, THIS ALSO INCLUDES TIME WITH THE DOWNTOWN.

SO IF THEY ONLY HAVE 5 YEARS AT TMRS AND 15 YEARS WITH THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD HAVE COMBINED 20 YEARS OF SERVICE TO RETIRE.

I KNOW THAT RICHARD TALKED ABOUT MILITARY SERVICE, AND THOSE ARE ALSO TRUE OF TMRS. AND THE OTHER THING THAT IT HAS, THERE IS A PRESERVATION FOR PREVIOUS FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT IN THE UNITED STATES. SO IT'S BROADER THAN MILITARY SERVICE, SO IF BE IN WORKED FOR LET'S SAY ANOTHER STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND THEY WORKED FOR ANOTHER COUNTY ITS SODS OF, THERE ARE OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND SOME OF THE LARGER CITIES IN TEXAS, DALLAS, WORT WORT, HOUSTON, AUSTIN. THEY ARE ALL OUTSIDE OF TMRS. SO IF AN EMPLOYEE WENT FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WORKED THERE FOR 15 YEARS, AND THEN THEY CAME DOWN TO CORPUS CHRISTI, THEY COULD APPLY TO USE ALL 15 YEARS TO MAKE THE ACCOUNT AND ELIGIBILITY SOONER. WHEN SOMEBODY DOES RETIRE THROUGH TMRS, THEY HAVE A LIFETIME BENEFIT.

AND OPTIONS AGAIN. WE HAVE VERY SIMILAR OPTIONS AND THEY CAN GUARANTEE A LIFETIME BENEFIT FOR BENEFICIARIES AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE F. SOMEONE IS MARRIED, THEY COULD HAVE A BENEFIT FOR THEMSELVES AND A BENEFIT FOR THEIR SPOUSE, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS AVAILABLE.

WE DO ALLOW MEMBERS TO RECEIVE A PORTION OF THEIR BENEFIT IN A ONE-TIME LUMP SUM BENEFIT. AND THEY CAN GET SOME OF THE MONEY UP FRONT AND DO WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE FOR IT.

BUT REALITY, THAT'S KIND OF IN A LOT OF WAYS THE WAY THAT THESE PLANS WORK TOGETHER, THEY REALLY DO HAVE SERVICE CREDITS, AND THE PRESENTATION THAT RICHARD IT DID A GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT HOW THE PLANS WORK, AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND THEY'RE ALL GREAT PLANS. I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T ASK THE QUESTION WHAT'S THE CATCH HERE? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY DOWNSIDE TO TMRS EITHER. THEY'RE TWO OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY AND I THINK THEY WOULD BE GREAT PLANS.

>> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. >> I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT

YOU. >> GO AHEAD.

>> SO COLIN, WHAT I'M HEARING AND I WROTE IT DOWN AS FAST AS I COULD, YOU DID GREAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US IN THIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO, THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE REALLY WELL TAKEN CARE.

SO ON THE RETIREMENT SIDE OF THINGS, AND WE HAVE OTHER SIDES OF THINGS, BUT ON THE RETIREMENT SIDES OF THINGS WITH THE EMPLOYEES, WHAT I'M HEARING AND EITHER OF YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY'S BENEFIT PLAN THROUGH IT

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TMRS IS BETTER THAN THE COUNTIES A BENEFIT PLAN, A LITTLE BIT THROUGH TDCRS. AND THERE'S A 5% DIFFERENCE, THE TMRS IS 5 AND THE TDRS IS 7, AND CREDITS, THE COLA, THE 5 YEAR VESTING, WHICH ADVANTAGE CITY, AND I'M KIND OF MAKING THAT IN MY TERMS, AND IF YOU WANT TO CORRECT ME, THAT'S OKAY, BUT WHAT WE MAY WANT TO DO IS RUN SOME EXAMPLES OF THE TWO SYSTEMS AND HOW IT WOULD WORK AND PICK 15, 20 EMPLOYEES AND SEE HOW IT RUNS BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THERE'S A HUGE ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE TO EITHER PLAN. AND I MIGHT SAY, THE CITY'S MAYBE IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT MAYBE NOT IN THE LONG RUN.

MAYBE IT'S ABOUT THE SAME? >> YEAH, AND I'LL CERTAINLY ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK AS WELL, RICHARD.

I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING ABSOLUTELY FOR EACH EMPLOYEE THAT THE CITY BENEFIT WOULD BE GREATER.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY MATTER A LITTLE BIT.

TO RICHARD'S POINT, IF YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT WORKED A SHORT TIME, WOULD THEY GET THE 7% COMPOUNDING INTEREST? THAT MIGHT HAVE A BETTER BENEFIT.

BUT THE EMPLOYEE WHO WENT A LONG TIME IN RETIRE, HAS THE GUARANTEED COLAS, AND THAT PERSON MAY GET A BETTER BENEFIT FROM THE CITY. SO PEOPLE STARTING AT DIFFERENT TIMES, DIFFERENT SALARIES, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK WOULD MAKE A BETTER DECISION, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY DEFINITIVELY THAT ONE WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE

OTHER. >> SO WITH COLAS, COLIN, WITH YOUR SYSTEM, IT HAS BUILT IN COLAS FOR RETIREES, IS THAT

RIGHT. >> CORPUS CHRISTI DOES PROVIDE

IT AT THIS POINT. >> THAT'S ONE THING FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, AS FAR AS A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ONE BUILT IN UNLESS ONE WAS CHOSEN TO BE PAST THE

COURT FOR RETIREES. >> I WOULD THINK GOING FORWARD, IT WOULD BE REALLY ADVANTAGEOUS TO GET ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND JUST RUN IT. JUST TO SEE GOING BOTH WAYS, WHICH WAY IS -- WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU DO IT? I'M SURE THAT YOU GENTLEMEN KNOW HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, NOT TODAY OBVIOUSLY, BUT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD AND THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR SURE.

>> AND GENTLEMEN, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE ANSWERED IT, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND TRIPLE CHECK. THE BIG CONCERN WAS IF I AM A CITY EMPLOYEE, AND I HAVE 15 YEARS OF SERVICE, AND I WANT TO BECOME A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, I DO NOT START OVER AGAIN.

I NOW COME BACK IN WITH MY 15 YEARS OF I WAS ON, AND THEREFORE, THAT IS THE ROLL OVER EFFECT.

AND I'M GOING TO GET -- NOBODY STARTS OVER.

THE REAL QUESTION WE HAD, ALL OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH HEALTH DISTRICT EMPLOYEES. OKAY? I WISH WE WERE ALL SO INTERESTED IN OUR OWN EMPLOYEES, BUT THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE HERE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIGHT.

OKAY? LET'S BE REAL, BUT I'LL THRILLED BECAUSE NOW I KNOW THAT MAYBE THEY HAVE MORE OPTIONS TO DO MORE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TORE CONSIDER. BUT THE 7% VERSE THE 5%, THAT'S COMPOUNDED AND THAT'S GOING TO WEIGH HEAVILY IN MY DECISION, RIGHT? IT'S A BIG CHUNK.

I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND STILL THE UPDATED SERVICE CHARGE. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULD LOVE IT SEE THAT ANALYSIS, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. YES, I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT WHAT WAS WORRYING US IS WOULD SOMEBODY HAVE TO START OFF? SO IF I'M A COUNTY EMPLOYEE AND I GO TO THE CITY, DO I HAVE TO START OVER? THAT WAS THE QUESTION BOTHERING A LOT OF OUR HEALTH DISTRICT EMPLOYEES WHO WERE CONSIDERING APPLYING FOR JOBS AT THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHAT THE NATURE OF ALL OF THIS IS. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?

>> AND JUDGE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MENTION THE WORD STARTING OFF, AND MAKING SURE THAT EMPLOYEES AREN'T STARTING OVER, AS FAR AS MONEY, OKAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, WHEN AN EMPLOYEE LEAVES THE COUNTY AND GOES TO THE CITY, OR COMES FROM THE CITY AND IT'S LIKE YOUR EXAMPLE, COMES TO THE CITY AND BE WORKS FOR THE CITY FOR 15 YEARS AND COMES TO THE COUNTY.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WORD STARTING OVER, FINANCIALLY,

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THEY'RE STARTING A NEW ACCOUNT WITH A NEW EMPLOYER.

THEY'RE STARTING A NEW ACCOUNT FINANCIALLY, BUT TIME WISE, NO, THE TIME IS FLUID. THE TIME, 15 YEARS WITH THE CITY WILL GIVE THEM 15 YEARS OF SERVICE CREDIT, AND THAT MAKES THAT EMPLOYEE VESTED AND THAT MUCH CLOSER TO THEIR

ELIGIBILITY. >> TO RETIREMENT AND I HAVE TO GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT. I HAVEN'T THOUGHT WHAT THE DOWNSIDE IS WITH EARNING 5% WITH THE COLA AND NOT MOVING THAT MONEY VERSUS -- THE REASON WE STAY LONG ENOUGH IS TO BUILD UP

AN ACCOUNT, RIGHT? >> THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO RUN? NUMBERS, LIKE THE 5-YEAR VESTING.

THE CITY HAS A FASTER VESTING THAN WE DO.

>> I AGREE. >> THAT'S A FAIR --

>> BUT THIS YOU ARE PROVIDING THE INFO THAT WE NEEDED.

>> WHEN I CAME TO THE COUNTY, I GOTS CREDIT FOR MY STATE SERVICE 100 YEARS AGO, AND I GOT MY STATE SERVICE, AND I PULLED MY MONEY OUT OF THERE. UNFORTUNATELY.

>> THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER CHRISTMAS GIFTS.

>> I JUST HAD MY SERVICE TIME, WHICH ALLOWED ME TO VEST SOONER

AT THE COUNTY. >> I'M WITH YOU.

>> SO IT MAKES SENSE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THE RETIREMENT SYSTEMS BETWEEN THE STATE AND COUNTY AND CITIES.

SUPPOSEDLY WHAT THE LOCALS DO ON THE INTEREST RATES AND THAT, SO THEY DO START OVER, NOT ON THEIR TIME, BUT THEIR VESTING AND ALL

OF THAT. >> I THINK TWO OUT OF THREE IS GOING TO BE GOOD. GENTLEMEN,, THE VESTING IS GOING TO BE GOOD. THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE POSITIVE THERE, AND I ALSO THINK THE TIME SERVED OR ACCUMULATED IS GOING TO BE GOOD, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S SO INDIVIDUAL.

UNLESS THEY WERE MATCHING PLANS, LET'S AGREE THAT? PEOPLE COULD LOSE AND SOME PEOPLE COULD WIN.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S CONCERNING. SO NOW THAT I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WE HAVE THIS GOOD INFORMATION, WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. REALLY, IT'S NOT US MAKING THEM.

YES, WE'LL MAKE DECISIONS BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE MORE INFORMATIVE TO THE EMPLOYEES. BUT THIS IS THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED. SO I'M GOING TO LET ANYBODY ELSE ASK ANY QUESTIONS. IS THIS GOOD? WE HAVE THEIR CONTACTS AND INFORMATION, AND I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T MINDING UP REACHING OUT TO YOU.

SO THAT WE COULD REALLY RUN SOME SPECIFIC SCENARIOS.

WE HAVE A FINITE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND FEND DEPENDING ON DECISION THAT'S GET MADE NOW WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPERLY MAKE INFORMED STATEMENTS TO THEM. BUT I THINK THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. AND PARTICULARLY THE INFLATION.

LOOK, WE'RE IN INFLATION NOW, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE.

SO THAT COLA COULD BE INCREDIBLY MEANINGFUL OR NOT.

>> YEAH, AND I'M -- I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE MOVING FORWARD. AND I CAN GET AS DEPOSITED WITH THOSE PROJECTIONS FOR FUTURE EMPLOYEES, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO HELP YOU MAKE THIS DECISION, ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO HELP.

>> CAN I MOVE ON? DOES ANYBODY ELSE NEED ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? I THINK ITS HELPFUL TOO FOR ME TO HAVE YOU HEAR IT. SO IF WE HAVE ANY INTERNAL QUESTIONS HERE. OUR HR DIRECTOR IS NOT HERE TODAY. BUT WE HAVE SOMEBODY LISTENING IN, AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO REWIND AND HER NAME IS JULIE, AND SHE MAY RES REACH OUT WITH THOUGHTSD QUESTIONS AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[15. Ratify Supplemental Agreement for a no cost time extension to the Professional Services Contract with Advanced Construction Management related to I.B. Magee Park Office Restoration Project.]

[16. Discuss and consider Change Order No. 4 for Mako Construction to address the demo of the flat roof and temporary roofing system related to I.B. Magee Park Office Restoration Project.]

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FROM MACO CONSTRUCTION TO ADDRESS THE DEMO OF THE FLAT ROOF SYSTEM. AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH MCGEE, AND KIND OF UNFORTUNATE, WE HAD TO CHANGE, BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE INSURANCE FOLKS CREATE THE PARAMETERS, RIGHT? SCOTT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF ROOF.

>> I'M CATCHING SOME OF YOUR WORDS, AND NEED YOU TO SPEAK

DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. >> THE CHANGE OVER NUMBER 4, REGARDING THE ROOFING SYSTEM AND THE NEED TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT MUCH.

>> THIS CHANGE ORDER IS REQUESTING $124,671.62.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE KNOWN UNFUNDED COST, Y'ALL APPROVED 82,000 TO ADDRESS THE SLOPE ROOF PORTION OF THE BUILDING. NOW, FORTUNATELY, AFTER SOME CAREFUL REDESIGN BECAUSE OF TDI PRODUCTS THAT WERE AVAILABLE IN THE PAST THAT ARE NO LONGER APPROVED BY TDI, THAT'S THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE TO GET INTERPRETATION, THAT ORIGINAL 82452.70 HAS BEEN REVISED AT 75436.87.

SO YOU HAVE CREATE AID COST SAVINGS UNDER THAT ITEM THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY FUNDED. ONE THING FOR THE CHANGE ORDER FOR FUNDING THAT'S NOT MET IS THE ISSUES WITH THE FLAT ROOF.

I KNOW COMMISSIONER ZONZALES AND HERNANDEZ HAS BEEN THERE, AND THE FLAT ROOF IS THE PORTION WHERE WHEN YOU GO UP TO THE THIRD FLOURISHING YOU STAND THERE, AND IT'S LIKE AN OVERLOOK. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH THAT, AND IT'S NOT THE SLOPE PART.

DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIONS THEY DISCOVERED THAT THE SUB ROOFING, THE SHEETING AND STUFF UNDER THOSE CONCRETE PAVERS HAS DETERIORATED AND NEEDS TO BE RECOVERED AS WELL.

WE HAD ELECTION THROUGH THAT DURING HURRICANE THAT WERE THE RESULT OF THE HAYNE AND THAT WAS WELL DONALD.

THAT PORTION OF THAT COST IS $49,234.95.

HOWEVER, UNDER THE FIRST WITH THE SLOPE ROOF, WE CREATED A COST SAVINGS OF $7,000.16. SO IT REDUCES THE AND NOW OF WHAT WE NEED FOR THIS ENTIRE CHANGE ORDER TO ONLY 42218.92.

SO WE MOVE THE COST SAVINGS FROM THE SLOPE ROOF OVER TO THE FLAT ROOF AND THE ADDITIONAL 412 IS 8.92 IS WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THE CHANGE ORDER. SO THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN BOTH WITH SLOPE AND FLAT ROOF, WORKING THROUGH WIND SHORE, WHICH IS THE WIND STORM ENGINEER ON SPECKING OUT THE APPROPRIATE ROOF COVERINGS AND THE PAVERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE USED TO FIX OUR ROOFING ISSUES, AND FINDING STUFF THAT'S TDI APPROVED. I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. BUFF LET ME JUST REMIND YOU, ORIGINALLY, WE WERE SPECKING OUT A TPO TYPE RESOLVE COVERING FOR THE SLOPED ROOF BEFORE WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE FLAT ROOF PROBLEMS, COME TO FIND OUT THAT THE TPO ROOF COVERING THAT WAS SUSPECTED OUT AND IT WAS FIRESTONE WHO MADE THE PRODUCT.

COME TO FIND OUT THEY DID NOT HAVE THEIR WIND PRESSURE RATINGS CORRECT AND AS A RESULT, FIRESTONE HAS HAD TO WRITE A LOT OF CHECKS TO PEOPLE WHO USED THAT PRODUCT.

AND WE'RE GLAD WE DIDN'T INSTALL THAT.

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BUT WE FOUND THIS OUT AFTER WE INSPECTED AND IT'S A GOOD THING WE DID, BECAUSE WE HAD A FAULTY ROOF SYSTEM ON OUR HANDS.

BUT SOMEHOW, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR YOUR APPROVAL. AS YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE WHEN I COME TO YOU WITH THESE THINGS.

AND I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T LIKE T I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT.

AND I DON'T LIKE COMING IN HERE AND ASKING FOR MORE, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO NEED. ONCE WE GET THIS APPROVED AND GET THIS DONE, THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN MAKE REAL HEADWAY WITH FINISH BEING OUT THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE -- HAVE -- QUESTIONS?

>> HANG ON A SECOND, WE MIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY THE WORK HAS BEEN LOOKED AT, ENGINEERED AND COST ESTIMATED, AND GRATEFUL FOR THE LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS. THERESA, WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS

THAT WE HAVE HERE? >> JUST ONE CORRECTION, THE $75,000 SAVINGS THAT WE HAD, I DID NOT USE THE FIRST NUMBER, SO I ONLY SPLIT THE $75,000. SO THE SAVINGS --

>> ALL RIGHT REFLECTED? >> THE $7,000 WILL BE INCLUDED.

SO IT WILL ACTUALLY BE $79,000 THAT WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE.

>> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE COULD YOU GIVE ME

THE NUMBER. >> 49,234.95.

IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. SAME SIGN.

SCOTT, JUST KEEP US POSTED ON THE PROGRESS, AND --

>> I WILL, AND ACTUALLY, I JUST GOT AN UPDATE FROM SCOTT MEARS THIS MORNING. THE UNKNOWN, UNFUNDED COSTS THAT REMAIN, WE HAVE NARROWED THOSE DOWN, AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA A I MEAN, I COULD SHARE THAT WITH YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T

WANT YOU TO GET STICKER SHOCKED. >> NO, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE THIS COURT ALREADY COMMITTED A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR THIS BUILDING, AND THE ROOF SEEMS TO BE AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THE BUILDING, AND I THINK FOR ANYTHING ELSE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO ROUNDTABLE WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND SEE WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT BE PRESENTED IN YOUR PRECINCT.

>> AND WE NEED TO KEEP TABS ON THIS TOO FOR THE ARBITRATION

COMING UP. >> I WAS THINKING THAT SAME THING, AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ALREADY ASKED, AND ANY TIME WE MAKE CHANGES, WE INCLUDE IT. BUT THERESA, YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. ANY OF THE CHANGES, CHANGE THEM

TO MELISSA VELA. >> THE OTHER ONE COMING IS GOING

TO BE LARGER AND GETS TO HER. >> THAT'S COMING, 2, 3 WEEKS.

>> THAT NEEDS TO BE -- >> I'M NOT HEARING Y'ALL IF

THIS IS DIRECTED AT ME. >> WE NEED TO GET INFORMATION ON

THE NEXT ONE. >> ALL MONEY SUSPENDED ON IB MCGEE SHOULD GO TO MELISSA BAILA.

AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. >> I CAN GET MELISSA UP TO DATE

COST FIGURES. >> AND WHAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IS SAYING, IT'S NOT JUST FOR WHAT WE JUST APPROVED BUT FOR WHAT YOU KNOW IS COMING. RIGHT? EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE US THE BAD NEWS.

AND OKAY, SO HURRICANES DRIVEWAY.

>> IS THAT IT? >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH,

SIR. >> GREAT JOB ON THAT RETIREMENT PRESENTATION. I LEARNED SOMETHING I DIDN'T

KNOW. >> I'M GLAD, I'M GLAD.

I AGREE WITH YOU. >> WE DO TOO.

>> THANK YOU, ALL. >> THAT'S 15 AND 16, GUYS.

>> YOU WERE OUT AND SO IS FERNANDO AND I SAW THAT SCOTT WAS THERE, AND I'LL MOVE ON, AND GO TO NUMBER 14.

AND OKAY. I'LL GO TO ANOTHER ONE.

[14. Discuss and consider approval of personal services contract(s) with Legislative Consultant(s), Hugo Berlanga, Joel Romo, and Patricia Shipton for services related to the 88th Texas Legislative Session, strategic planning, consulting, and governmental relations services, and other related matters.]

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO BASICALLY, THIS IS THE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR AGAIN WHERE THE END OF THE YEAR, THESE ARE THE PERSONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS AND THEY EXPIRED IN DECEMBER, AND THEY COME TO YOU TO BE APPROVED FOR THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME FORM AND FASHION, BELINDA, NOTHING HAS

CHANGED. >> CORRECT, JUDGE.

HOWEVER, THE AMOUNT IS NOT POPULATED NOR THE TIMEFRAME.

SO THE AMOUNT. >> I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE REPHRASED. THE CONTRACTS ARE IDENTICAL AND

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THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY DIFFERENTLY.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE DEAL, AND NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT IN THE BILLIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL, BUT NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER ALMOST $30 BILLION COMING TO US IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LEGISLATION.

SO LOOK, WE HAVE A LOT TO GO CHASE.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT WE ARE IN THE HUNT FOR THESE DOLLARS. I THINK YOU SAID IT EARLIER, COMMISSIONER, THAT OUR FOLKS PAY DIVIDENDS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND ALL OF THE ISSUES, MONEY IS ONE PIECE OF IT.

BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST ISSUES.

SO THE QUESTION IS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE US TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE AND THE SAME CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE, AND I WOULD LOOK FOR A SECOND FOR THAT.

THESE ENDED IN DECEMBER, THE FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE

DECEMBER 30TH. >> BUT THE CONTRACT ENDS IN

DECEMBER, CORRECT? >> YES, THESE ARE THE CONTRACTS TO START US FOR THE NEW YEAR, SO IT'S FOR THE NEW YEAR THROUGH

THE FISCAL YEAR. >> WHY ARE WE DOING THEM?

CAN WE DO SEPTEMBER? >> WE'RE FIGHTING FOR THE MONEY NOW. THERE'S MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN

DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. >> IT WILL BE ON JANUARY, I'M SORRY, WE DID NOT GET IT READY, WE'LL BRING IT IN JANUARY.

SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND AGAIN, SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE.

>> NO. >> NO.

>> OKAY, IS THERE -- I GUESS WE'LL BRING IT BACK, IF THERE'S

NO OTHER MOTION. >> I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO -- I HOPED THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT MRT ACCEPT.

OR. >> HIS IS EXPIRED AS WELL.

>> DEACCEPT THE LAST? I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME HESITATION, BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING ISSUES, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE NEED FOR SOMETHING, BUT I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED BECAUSE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH THAT GLO MONEY AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GARNERED THERE, AND I WANTED TO TALK SOME

MORE ABOUT THAT. >> IS THE GLO MONEY?

>> THE GLO RECOMMENDED MONEY ON THE STATE FUNDS WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE IN LINE TO GET SOME. AND WHERE WE WERE, AND I WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE THAT WENT BECAUSE WE ENDED UP NOT GETTING

ANYTHING. >> THAT WAS ADMITTEDLY A MISTAKE ON THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE. THIS WAS NOT OUR TEAM.

>> I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE SOME INFORMATION I GOT WAS DIFFERENT AFTERWARDS, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO -- THE ONE THAT'S MORE INTEREST TO ME IS THE ONE LOOKING FOR MONEY.

AND I HAVE SOME DESIRE TO HAVE SOME NEED MET.

BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS DOING WHAT.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT REED CLAY WAS CHASING THE MONEY PRIMARILY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING, AND WE USUALLY HAVE THESE ON AT THE SAME TIME. AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT REED CLAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSTED.

>> WHY DON'T WE HOLD ON THAT ONE.

I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS A SHORTER TERM, BUB THE CONTRACTS ARE IN THE SAME FORM THAT'S THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE SAME AMOUNT.

AND AN URBAN COUNTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A LEGISLATIVE TEAM IS AN URBAN COUNTY THAT WILL NOT HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE IN AUSTIN TO FIGHT FOR NOT ONLY OUR FAIR SHARE OF DOLLARS, BUT TO HELP US WITH AGENCY SITUATIONS THAT HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE DAY, LILLY, INCLUDING WHAT JUST HAPPENED WITH THE VETERANS CEMETERY, THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY INSTRUMENTAL IN MAKING SURE THAT THE CLERK AS WELL AS THE DIRECTOR CAME TO CORPUS CHRISTI TO SAY THAT THEY WERE LOSING MONEY PROGRAMS. AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF A STATE AGENCY. WHAT I HEARD ON THE ISLAND AT

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THE MPO, WE NEED TO START WORKING NOW TOWARDS A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT. PROJECT THAT WILL BASICALLY CONNECT PEOPLE TO GET ON AND OFF THE ISLAND IN AN

EFFORT TO, YOU KNOW -- >> RIGHT, AND I THINK --

>> THAT'S HOW WE DO IT, AND WE HAVE NEVER HAD THE MONEY BEFORE.

>> THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS, TEX 21, AND I'M GOING TO BE STRAIGHT UP. MY ISSUE IS, WE APPROVED THESE CONTRACTS BEFORE. I HAD TO RESOLVE DIFFERENCES OF SOME VERY, QUITE FRANKLY, DIFFICULT BEHAVIOR BY ONE MEMBER OF THE LOBBY TEAM. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS RESOLVED AND VOTED FOR THE CONTRACT AGAIN, AND ONCE AGAIN, ALMOST THAT VERY DAY, IN FRONT OF SEVERAL PEOPLE, I GOT ABUSED AGAIN BY THE SAME MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATIVE TEAM BECAUSE I DIDN'T SUPPORT A HIGH ENOUGH CONTRACT, THOUGH THAT WAS THE 3RD OR 4TH TIME I VOTED FOR THE MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATIVE TEAM. SO I'M TIRED OF VOTING FOR A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATIVE TEAM WHO CONTINUALLY TAKES SHOTS AT ME AND ABUSES ME WHEN I VOTE FOR HIS CONTRACTS.

AND THAT'S SOMEONE THAT I DON'T WANT TO KEEP VOTING FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION. I KEEP BITING MY TONGUE AND KEEP DOING IT AND GETTING OVER IT, AND I'M TO THE POINT WHERE I'M KIND OF TIRED OF GETTING OVER IT.

IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE, AND IT WAS AT THE GOVERNOR'S FUND-RAISER OF ALL PLACES THAT I GET CHASTISED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.

AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE GROUPING.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?

>> I HAVE A MOTION. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING THIS

BACK IN JANUARY? >> I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT

IT FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING. >> OKAY, IF YOU WOULD JUST LET US KNOW, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON IF YOU DON'T MIND, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT AGENDA. AND WHY DON'T YOU LET US KNOW

AND I'LL MOVE ON. >> DO WE NEED ALL OF THEM?

>> AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO DO BOTH THINGS, BUT I WANT TO KEEP US MOVING, SO LET'S EITHER BRING IT BACK IN JANUARY WITH EVERYBODY ON THERE, OR WE CAN MAKE A MOTION AGAIN.

THERE ARE AMAZING OPPORTUNITIES ON OUR HORIZON FOR A VARIETY OF FUNDING SOURCES AND PROJECTS, AND THEY INVOLVE ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS. THE INTERIM CHARGES AND HEARINGS THAT WILL BE HELD BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEW LEGISLATIVE SESSION, TO NOT HAVE A LOBBY TEAM, I'LL GO TO THE LAB AND START CLONING MYSELF, BECAUSE IT'S A SHAME IS WHAT IT IS, AND IT'S A LACK OF JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, YOU JUST -- MAKING THE TIME TO MAKE A GOOD -- SO THEY HANDLE SITUATIONS AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, ADAM HAINES AND JIM ALLISON WORK WITH US IN THE LEGISLATIVE TEAM, AND WE ARE A GREAT TEAM TOGETHER, AND THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST TEAM TO TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN AS EFFECTIVE ON THE OPIOID LEGISLATION, SO WE'LL MOVE IN, AND WE'LL REVISIT IT.

COMMISSIONER, JUST GIVE ME A LITTLE NOD HERE AS TO WHEN YOU'RE READY. AND WE CAN ALWAYS BRING IT BACK UP IN JANUARY. IT'S THE 5TH.

>> I THINK THAT'S BETTER. AND MAYBE IT WILL GIVE ME A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THAT PERSON AGAIN.

>> HOW ABOUT -- I'LL JUST LEAVE IT ALIKE THAT, OKAY, BELINDA.

YOU JUST KNOW THAT I'LL PUT IT BACK ON THE 5TH.

LET ME GO TO NUMBER 19, PLEASE, AND CARA, WE'RE BACK IN ORDER

[19. Discuss and consider requesting funding assistance from the Port of Corpus Christi Authority to help fund the salary for a third environmental enforcement officer.]

BELIEVE IT OR NOT. AND WE'RE ON NUMBER 19.

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I'M GLAD EVERYBODY GETS -- IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A BREAK. AND ITEM 19, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER FUNDING SYSTEMS FROM THE CORPUS CHRISTI AUTHORITY TO HELP FUND THE SALARY FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. COMMISSIONER GONZALES, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU PUT THIS ITEM ON.

AND I ASKED JIMMY DORSETT WHETHER OR NOT SHE SPOKE WITH JIMMY WELDER, AND SHE SAID WHO IS THAT? AND JIMMY WELDER IS THE GENERAL COUNCIL THERE REPRESENTING THE

PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI. >> THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT, JUDGE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXPAND MORE SERVICES TO THE PORT AREA? WE ONLY HAVE TWO, AND THE THIRD OFFICER, I'M SURE THEY CAN DO MORE WITH CODE.

AND THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE ARPA, BUT EVEN IF WE PAY HALF, I WOULD PAY HALF. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED ANOTHER ONE TO EXPAND SOMEWHERE. TWO GU GUYS TO PICK UP THINGS.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, NUMBER ONE.

I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE DIALOGUE, AND I THINK THAT WE NOTICE T.

BELINDA, DIFFERENTLY IN JANUARY, ABOUT COMMISSIONER GONZALES FUNDS OR A HYBRID. I CAN TELL YOU THAT HAVING SERVED IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND TALKED TO THE STAFF, THEY DON'T PAY FOR SALARIES, THE WATER CODE LIMITS THEM ON WHAT THEY CAN PAY FOR. SO OUT OF THE P AND D FUND, WHICH IS CALLED PROMOTIONAL DEVELOPMENT, THEY CAN PAY FOR A PROGRAM. BUT THIS ONE WOULDN'T QUALIFY.

BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT U. JIMMY WELDER WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO JENNY SO SHE COULD EXPLAIN THAT AND K.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO REPORT BACK THAT ON JANUARY --

>> I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ANOTHER OPTION.

>> I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN JANUARY.

I WAS TOLD THAT'S NOT AN OPTION, BUT WE CAN REVISIT THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICE, AND MAYBE WE CAN EVEN HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICE OR JUAN COME TALK TO US AND HE'S HERE.

BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICE, WE HAD APPROVED A CLERK TO GET SOMEBODY IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICE SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND FORTH. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED AND IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT?

>> ARE WE GOING TO THAT ITEM? >> YEAH, WE'RE ON T.

>> YOU WANT TO GO TO THE DIFFERENT ITEM?

>> I DO. WE'RE ON THE SAME CONCEPT AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICE. IT'S UNDER PUBLIC WORKS.

>> NUMBER 7. >> C7, IT GOES HAND-IN-HAND.

HOLD ON, ASKING LET'S TABLE 19. AND LANGUAGE WITH CAUSE IF THEY CAN FUND THOSE KINDS OF ITEMS. SO TABLE TO JANUARY 5TH IS THE MOTION THAT I HAVE, AND IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OKAY NOW, AND JUST BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE, IF YOU WILL

[7. Receive update on Senior Clerk position for environmental enforcement (5220).]

TURN TO C7. AND I HAVE TO TURN TO C7 TOO.

WOULD YOU READ IT OUT LOUD WHILE I FIND IT?

>> RECEIVE UPDATE ON SENIOR CLERK POSITION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL

ENFORCEMENT. >> JUAN, WILL YOU LET US KNOW THAT? THIS MAY HELP US WITH THE AGENDA ITEM WE'RE BRINGING BACK IN JANUARY.

>> YES, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS. BURG THE BUDGET, THREE ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS AND CLERK, SO IF WE'RE STAFFED WITH THE THREE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, PLANNING ON ASSISTING WITH THE ADDITIONAL PLUS THE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO BE THERE WITH THE PAPERWORK, BUT DUE TO NOT HAVING OUR NOT PROVIDING THOSE THREE ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, I KNOW NED AND CHRIS, THEY CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS WERE WORK.

THEY CAN PERFORM THEIR OWN PAPERWORK, AND THAT'S THE REASON

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WHY BACK IN OCTOBER, WE HAD SUBMITTED SOME PAPERWORK TO JULIE TO REMOVE THE CLERK FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER, AND I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND GIVING AN INCREASE IN PAY TO THE TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND THAT WAS BACK IN OCTOBER.

THEN WE REQUESTED THAT FROM OUR HR DEPARTMENT OR FROM THE HR DEPARTMENT AND THAT WAS NEVER SUBMITTED TO PUT ON THE AGENDA.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, COMMISSIONERS, TO COME BACK LATER ON AND REMOVE THE CLERK POSITION, AND INCREASE THE PAY OF OUR TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND ALLOW THEM TO DO THEIR OWN PAPERWORK. THEY ARE HERE TO KIND OF EXPLAIN TO Y'ALL THE PROCESS IF YOU LIKE.

>> JUST BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR A CLERK? BECAUSE I COULD HAVE SWORN THAT

YOU DID. >> WE DID ASK FOR A CLERK, AND AS SOON AS I SAID IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE ALSO ASKED FOR THREE ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK FOR THINGS THAT THEY DON'T GET.

BUT MY POINT S. YOU ASKED FOR A CLERK AND WE GAVE YOU A CLERK AND NOW YOU DON'T WANT THE CLERK? AND YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE ANOTHER OFFICER AND LET EVERYONE DO THEIR OWN PAPERWORK? BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS THAT THE PAPERWORK WAS TAKING THEM OFF OF THE BEAT SO TO SPEAK.

>> JUDGE, IF YOU ALLOW -- >> I WILL, I'M JUST TRYING TO

GET TO IT. >> LET ME EXPLAIN, I WAS THE ONE WHO SUBMIT TODAY FOR THE THREE OFFICERS AND THE CLERK FOR THE BUDGET. THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN TWO MORE OR THREE MORE OFFICERS, THEY NEEDED THE CLERK AND WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET, THE CLERK WAS ON THERE, AND NOBODY CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR A CLERK BY ITSELF. IT WAS ON THERE, AND THE OFFICERS ARE NOT BUT THE CLERK WAS ON THERE, AND THE CLERK STAYED ON BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY GAVE IN THE BUDGET AND NOW IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE OFFICERS, THEY SAY WELL, WE CAN USE THE MONEY FOR THE CLERK TO SUPPLEMENT THE PAY.

AND IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT DID THE SAME THING. THEY SPLIT THE MONEY BECAUSE ANYONE IN THIRD PERSON, ALSO, IN HR, YOU KNOW? IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE WHERE YOU SAY I WANT TO SUPPLEMENT MY EMPLOYEES. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE HERE?

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. >> SO HANG ON ONE SECOND, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD, I'M CALLING ON YOU, GO AHEAD.

>> ASKING FOR ANOTHER OFFICER. >> ASKING FOR THREE.

>> AGREE EVERYBODY HAD REQUESTS THAT WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE COULD DO WE MADE DO IN THE BUDGET WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT YOU ASKED THE CLERK SO WE COULD GET ÃTHE PROMISE WAS TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE TO THE OFFICERS THE OFFICER WORK THE PAPERWORK WOULD BE HANDLED BY SOMEBODY.

WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO HAVE A CLERK THEN ASKED FOR ANOTHER

OFFICER. >> WALKED OVER I WANTED TO REALLOCATE YOU DO NOT GET THE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS WITHIN OUR BUDGET. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE LIKE I

SAID NEVER PUT ON THE AGENDA. >> THE BUDGET CYCLE.

CAME IN OCTOBER THE BUDGET SET IN SEPTEMBER THAT IS WHAT I AM CONFUSED UPON, WE HAVE A THEORY AROUND HERE WE TRY TO HANDLE

EVERYTHING AROUND BUDGET. >> DID NOT PASS BUDGET VOTED FOR BUDGET DID NOT MAKE IT IN BUDGET.

AN IDEA OF ANOTHER OFFICER IF 50 PERCENT WOULD BE FUNDED THE OTHER, INTERESTED IN DOING THAT THAT COULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM WE

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BRING IN JANUARY. YOU DON'T WANT THE CLERK ANYMORE, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CLERK

AND A NEW OFFICER MONEYWISE. >> WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH HR.

>> WELL GET WITH HR RIGHT NOW WHAT I REQUEST BACK IN OCTOBER DID NOT GET OUR OFFICERS REQUESTING FOR US DON'T NEED THE CLERK AFTER ALL, INCREASE THE PAY IN THAT CASE LIT UP THE MONIES THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION I SUBMITTED TO HR BUT AGAIN AND NEVER GOT PUT ON THE AGENDA.

I DID NOT KNOW THIS WAS GOING TO GET PUT ON THE AGENDA.

SO WHEN I SAW THE ITEM I MEAN I WISH THEY WOULD'VE PUT THE

AGENDA ITEM FOR MY PART. >> YOU DID NOT PUT IT ON MY.

>> SUBMIT IT HR, HR PUTS IT TO THE AGENDA.

>> OFF-TRACK I WOULDN'T ENFORCEMENT LAW ENFORCEMENT

WOULDN'T THAT GIVE IT MORE. >> IT WAS BROUGHT UP ALREADY.

>> I DO NOT KNOW I AM JUST CURIOUS.

UNDER THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING THOSE OPTIONS.

IF THAT IS NOT SOMETHING DOABLE, THAT IS OKAY I AM JUST

ASKING. >> THAT HAS BEEN MY CONCERN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NOT ALL OFFICERS ARE A PART OF IT. THAT IS A TRAVESTY BECAUSE WHEN WE GET BOMBS IN PEACE, AUTOMATIC.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS.

I TOTALLY AGREE TO LOOK ON THAT I UNDERSTAND I WANT TO SUPPORT THE CLERK FOR THE PAPERWORK WITH THAT FOREVER WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE, LOOKING BACK AT IT NOW ESPECIALLY THROUGH THIS, I THINK IT IS BAD POLICY FOR US TO APPROVE POSITIONS FOR ANY DEPARTMENT HEAD TO SAY, WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE SOMEBODY A PAY RAISE. I AM NOT SAYING SHOULD FIND A WAY, I THINK AND HOPE THIS PUSHES US NOW COME UP WITH A SOLUTION OUT TO ACCOUNT FOR MISSING OUT ON OTHER THINGS.

I THINK THIS IS POSITIVE WE CAN START THAT CONVERSATION.WITH IT SOME MORE HAVE MORE TAX INTERNALLY TO SEE HOW WE HAVE A TRANSFER OF POSITIONS FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARE WHAT I WOULD WANT TO BE CAREFUL IN HOW WE STEP WITH THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT SAY WE CAN DO BLIVE WITHOUT.

MISS OUT ON POSITIONS. I WISH THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED. I WORRY THAT WE TAKE THAT STEP TODAY OR EVEN IN A FEW WEEKS, THAT IS A BAD PRESIDENT.

THAT IS WHERE ÃI AM PUTTING THAT OUT THERE WERE NO WHERE I AM COMING FROM ON THIS THAT DOES CONCERN ME.

>> WE HAVE DONE THAT QUITE A BIT.

>> THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. >> DOUBLE MENTAL WORK AND ONCE

IN BUDGET. >> THE D.A. HAS COME IN,

REALLOCATED THEIR MONEY. >> AND ELECTED AS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION TO GIVE ME. SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO REALLOCATE THE OFFICES WE ALWAYS DIFFER TO THEM TO LET ME

SAY THIS, SENSES. >> EVERY DEPARTMENT IN HERE

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ASKING BECAUSE THEY DO NOT GET WHAT THEY WANTED IN BUDGET.

TREAD LIGHTLY MY FRIENDS IS WASN'T WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HAPPY TO GIVE ANOTHER OFFICER AND ANOTHER LOOK.

IF YOU THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGE, THAT IS WHY WE DID THE PLAN SURVEY. WE SAW PUBLIC SAFETY AND SUPPORT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS SUPERHIGH THAT IS WHY HE DID IT AND SAY THINGS LIKE HEY GUESS WHAT FOR THE NEXT GIVE YOU THESE OFFICERS THAT WE COULDN'T IN BUDGET CONCERNS THAT I THINK THE CLERK WAS, I WAS EXCITED THE CLERK AND VOTE FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT IS WHAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE MOST EVERYBODY THIS BUILDING IS UNDERPAID I WANT CHANGE THAT ONE THING WE HAVE DONE TO HELP US IS TODAY WE DID 10 PERCENT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES SO YOU GUYS WILL GET 10 PERCENT STARTING IN THIS YEAR. I MEAN BE OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL. THAT REORGANIZATION AND OPPORTUNITY WILL MENTAL WORK I AM VERY NERVOUS ABOUT SAYING I WILL TAKE THE POSITION YOU GAVE ME AND FOR MORE PAY.

>> I DON'T THINK HAVE JUST DONE IT FOR ELECTIVES.

I CANNOT MEMBER THEM ALL. SAYS HE HAD THIS MONEY, WE WANT TO ELIMINATE A POSITION AND USE IT HERE, DEPOSITION IS GONE THEY STILL WANT TO DO IT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A

DIFFERENCE. >> I AM JUST SAYING.

>> THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS DIFFERENT.

NOT SUPPOSED PLAY FAVORITES TO ONE DEPARTMENT OR ANOTHER.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN GOING FORWARD IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO YOUR OWN PAPERWORK THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT STORY. WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT THAT WAS NOW THE STORY PRESENTED DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THE PREFERRED VENDOR BY BEING OUT THAT IS WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT IT IS A

COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF FACT HERE. >> THAT WAS ONE THING.

TWO OFFICERS MORE, THE CLERK WOULD OKAY.

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

>> HOW ABOUT BRINGING FORWARD AN AGENDA ITEM, TWO MORE OFFICERS KEEP THE CLERK, MORE OFFICERS FOR POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION FOR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FOR ALL FOUR OF

THEM. >> NOT AN UNUSUAL REQUEST DID THIS FOR GRANTS DURING THE BUDGET I BELIEVE NO WE DID NOT.

>> THEY DID NOT GET RAISES. >> NOT ABOUT OR CHRIS, WE DON'T FIND ANY OTHER SOURCE WILLING TO HELP SUPPORT THE THIRD

OFFICER OR WHATEVER IS NEEDED. >> TOO.

>> JOB TO FIND A HOME I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FIGURE CONVERSATION DOWN THE LINE.

NOT ABOUT THEM THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE IF THEY SO LET'S NOT DO AWAY THE CLERK. STILL REALIZED THAT HAD A HIGHER PAY. MATCHING WHAT OUR OFFICERS

WOULD BE GETTING SOON. >> SURPRISED IT DID NOT GET PUT

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ON THE AGENDA. ASKED

>> FIGHTING THIS FIGHT FOR A WHILE.

WE GOT CONSIDERED. >> SO I MEAN LOOK I AM NOT USUALLY PRO LET'S OPEN UP COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.

TWO REASONS TO CONSIDER ONE IS THE AMENDMENT THAT THE CALL THE

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FOX AMENDMENT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PAINTING.

AND NOW THIS SO MAYBE NOW IT IS WORTH, TO DO AN AMENDMENT YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE PROCESS. BUT NOW TWO GOOD REASONS.

SO MY THOUGHT IS A COUPLE MORE WEEKS OF PATIENCE.

BUT YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION. MY PURPOSE IN DOING THAT SURVEY WAS TO GET BACK UP DOING THINGS LIKE THIS LIKE PUTTING MORE OFFICERS. I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO GET A CLERK.THAT CLERK IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR YOU.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET THEM MORE MONEY AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

WHY WOULDN'T WE PUT YOU GUYS UNDER LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD MAKE THAT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT THAT WOULD GIVE YOU MORE TEETH ALSO.

I DON'T KNOW WHY LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE UNDER

PUBLIC WORKS. >> YEARS AGO THE WORD ON THE STREET WAS THAT INSTEAD OF THEM DEDICATED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, ALSO SUPPLEMENT TO PATROL. SAID THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK

FOR US. >> THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

I WOULD HOPE THERE WOULD BE SOME WAY TO CLARIFY THAT.

MAYBE IT DOESN'T WORK. IF IT IS UNDER LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE REALLY WANT YOU DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING I GET IT THAT COULD BE A FACTOR. WHILE WE ARE SHORT, I DON'T WANT TO PULL YOU OFF ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT

EITHER. >> ANOTHER IDEA HERE.

THIS IS WHY THESE THINGS ARE GOOD MAYBE MARIA, THERE IS TWO OF YOU IF THERE WERE 20, I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SAY THIS.

TREAT THEM LIKE THEY ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE PURPOSES OF PREMIUM PAY. THAT MIGHT BE REMEMBER WE SAID WE LEFT THE DOOR OPEN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVING DIFFERENT SORT OF YOU KNOW, THIS MAY BE VETERAN SERVICES, REMEMBER ALL OF THAT WE NEVER WENT THERE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, I AM SAYING TO YOU I LIKE THE IDEA IF I HAD AWAY, TO MAKE EVERYBODY SALARIES BETTER, I WOULD FIND IT.AYBE ARP GIVES US A QUICK FIX, ADVISES MAYBE TWO YEARS EVEN LONGER THROUGH 2026 TO GET YOU THAT SUPPLEMENTAL PAY TO MAKE YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.

WE JUSTIFY THAT BECAUSE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A SPECIAL CLASS INSIDE OF ARP THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.

I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I AM COMING FROM.

BUDGET IS A NIGHTMARE TO COME BACK TWO WEEKS LATER AND SAY, IT DID NOT WORK OUT SO I AM ASKING AGAIN THIS IS BETTER BECAUSE THIS MAKES IT TO WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT LET'S TREAT YOU LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES THAT

MAKE SENSE? >> ALSO THE PATROL ON THE STREETS EVERY DAY OF THE PANDEMIC.

>> YEAH. >> THE DOOR IS OPEN TO THEM.

>> YOU KNOW WE ANSWER CALLS. >> ZOOM IS TELLING US WE CANNOT

HEAR. >> WE ANSWER CALLS FOR SERVICE.

PLENTY OF TIMES I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.

CITATIONS, TRAFFIC STOPS. WE DIG THROUGH TRASH TRYING TO FIND NAMES A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE PUTTING THEIR STUFF IN PAPER.

OUT THERE TAKING THROUGH IT THE WHOLE PANDEMIC.

WE ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE LACK THE LONGEVITY, THE

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CERTIFICATION. >> IT IS TERRIBLE.

>> I AM JUST SAYING YOU ARE TRYING TO GET YOU GUYS TO BE SALARY AND A BETTER LEVEL. I AM SAYING LET SLP DO IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY IF YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT THIS IS WHAT WE DO ALL DAY LONG. MY HEAD FEELS LIKE IT IS A BALLOON. WE GO TO DALE, AT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY 5 A BETTER ITEM THAT WILL ACHIEVE THE RESULTS.

WILL YOU LET US DO THAT? STILL GOING TO ASK ABOUT YOUR CLERK.OT GOING TO KNOW WHETHER THAT IS GOOD OR BAD STILL BECAUSE I AM STILL GOING TO ASK YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO

TRADE THE CLERK FOR 1/3.>> CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 5. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY. SOMEONE COULD HAVE CONVERSATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY HOPE OF THAT.

>> JUST AN UPDATE WE WILL BRING AN AGENDA ITEM BACK IN JANUARY.

>> WE WILL CHECK WITH YOU FIRST TO MAKE SURE IT IS WORDED THE

WAY YOU CAN SUPPORT IT. >> ONE LAST THING.

ONE OF THE THINGS ON OUR WISH LIST, TO BE CONSIDERED AS LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BENEFIT PURPOSES.

AS CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS. RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF OUR JOBS, PROCESSING EVIDENCE.

HOLDING EVIDENCE. TO THE PAS OFFICE.

>> EXECUTING OUR OWN WARRANTS TRYING TO BE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS NOT DEPUTIES. THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PAY SCALE

ACCORDING TO. >> WHOEVER MAKES THOSE RULES.

>> IF IT WERE AN OPTION, YOU WOULD WANT TO BE CONSIDERED LAW ENFORCEMENT/ CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR.

>> THEY GET THE PAY PLUS LONGEVITY PLUS CERTIFICATION.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> TALKING TO THE LIEUTENANT WHEN HE WAS OVER THERE, WE WOULD HAVE YOU ON OUR DIVISION.

RECOGNIZED THE NATURE OF OUR JOB.

BEGETTING THOSE BENEFITS. NOT JUST REGULAR PATROL DEPUTIES PLEASE CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE START COMING BACK.

>> I THINK IT IS GREAT INFORMATION.

COME BACK AND SEE US ON THE FIFTH.

[20. Discuss and consider obtaining feasibility study for a new county jail.]

THAT IS THE UPDATE ONLY. LET'S STICK AROUND, THE NEXT ONE CONSIDER OBTAINING STUDY FOR NEW COUNTY JAIL.

THIS WAS COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ'S ITEM WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ARE YOU ASKING FOR, THINKING HE WOULD LIKE THIS COURT TO DIRECT MICHAEL TO START THINKING ABOUT BRINGING

AN RFQ FOR FEASIBILITY? >> ABOUT HOW TO GET THIS THING STARTED. I THINK THE FIRST IS TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY TO SAY, HERE IS THE JAIL'S NEEDS.

HERE IS WHERE IT IS AT. WE NEED TO GET THAT STUDY DONE

BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE. >> OKAY SO DO I HAVE AN OPTION HERE TO ASK MICHAEL, CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT PROCUREMENT TO BRING AN RFQ FORWARD FOR THE COURT'S ACTION?

FOR THIS? >> GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL ROBINSON ABOUT THE PROCESS. HE GAVE ME KIND OF A ROADMAP THAT IS NUMBER ONE UNDERSTAND THE OBJECTIVES OF THE JAIL ASSESSMENT. TWO, DEFINE THE SCOPE OF THE WORK NUMBER THREE CALCULATE AN ESTIMATED COST NUMBER FOUR, IDENTIFY THAT FUNDING SOURCE. ABLE TO FIND A SIMILAR SCENARIO IN ANOTHER PART OF THE STATE RECENTLY.

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THAT RFQ, WAS ABOUT 250,000 PROCESS.

>> DESIGNED AS AN ASSESSMENT? DID IT TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR OLD TRAILER MEANT TO SCOPE A NEW JAIL.

>> PRETTY SURE IT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

>> FOR THE CURRENT. >> EXACTLY.

I BROUGHT CAPTAIN GORDON IN HERE IF YOU WANT TO PAT THIS DISCUSSION THE LAST THREE YEARS THE MOST SENIOR JAIL CAPTAIN AND UNBELIEVABLE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THAT BUILDING. ENTERTAIN CAPTAIN GORDON HERE.

HE WAS ON VACATION. >> WOULD YOU HELPED ME OUT?

>> I HAVE KNOWN CHESNEY, YOU JUDGE, A TOUR OF OUR FACILITY WHEN HE FIRST GOT ELECTED. YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR FACILITY BUILT WHEN THIS COMPLEX WAS BUILT, OUT LIVED ITS LIFE AND THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE TO OUR CLIENTELE NEED TO BE TOP-NOTCH FOR SECURITY.

MEDICAL AND HEALTH REASONS. RIGHT NOW OUR FACILITY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WE HAD, IT WAS BUILT IN 76 WHEN I CAME ON BOARD IN 87, WE HAD A MAJOR UPDATE DONE TO THE MAIN FACILITY WITH ADDING OUR POTS, THE ADDITION OF THE ANNEX WHICH WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE A JAIL.

ALWAYS INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

OUR FACILITY WENT THROUGH ANOTHER MAJOR OVERHAUL IN YEAR 2000 SOME UPGRADES, YOU CAN ONLY UPGRADE SO MUCH.

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THROUGH OUR FACILITY.

I THINK WE OWE THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE AN UP TO DATE FACILITY. IF WE CAN GET A STUDY DONE, OPEN THE DOOR AND TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE, 3000 BED

FACILITY WE COULD MAKE MONEY. >> I AGREE SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS WHAT WE HAD A SORT OF THOUGHT OF BEFORE, WITH THIS FACILITY'S ASSESSMENT. BASICALLY WHAT GIVES YOU THE DATA TO SAY, THIS JAIL HAS OUTLIVED.

>> YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS. >> WONDERING MICHAEL WOULD YOU MIND SHARING HOW DO YOU SEE THIS PROCENOW 250,000 PROBABLY A GOOD ESTIMATE THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. STILL SOMETHING, HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? WHAT MOTION COULD WE MAKE.

>> THIS WAS DONE AS AN RFP. WE COULD GO AND RFQ IF YOU WANTED TO FIND FOLKS TO PRODUCE SOME TYPE OF RESULT BACK TO US.

UNDER THE ONE DONE THEY ACTUALLY HAD A SCOPE OF WORK WITH SPECIFIC TESTS IDENTIFIED SO THEY COULD WRITE IT AS AN

RFP. >> STILL WANTING TO FIGURE OUT

HOW THEY DID IT. >> MIGHT BE TWO DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDINGS. EVALUATING ARCHITECTURALLY HOW TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING. BUT WHAT THE STUDY WAS A WHOLE LOT ENFORCEMENT EVALUATION. IT HAD TO DO WITH NOT JUST THE JAIL MAIDS BUT HOW THEY INTERACTED WITH THE COURTS LOOKING OUT INTO THE FUTURE INTO THE GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY.RE WE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER COURT IN THIS AREA. INVOLVE THE JUVENILE SYSTEM.

IT WAS A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE RFP.

SO OUR COSTS MAY COME IN LESS THAN THE 250.

>> DO WE NEED TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT THAT SAYS OUR JAIL

IS OLD DON'T WE KNOW IT IS OLD. >> YES WE DO KNOW IT IS OLD.

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>> WE ARE AT THAT POINT. >> I HATE TO SPEND MONEY TO TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW, THAT IT IS TIME TO BUILD A NEW

JAIL. >> SPENDING OVER ON THE

EXISTING JAIL. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

>> AT LEAST PAUSE BEFORE GOING THAT ROUTE.

I THINK IT IS FINE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

WE KNOW WHAT THAT STUDY IS GOING TO SAY.

WE GET IT. >> NOT JUST A STUDY TO SAY THE CONDITIONS ARE POOR, ALSO A STUDY THAT GIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE.

WE CAN WRITE THE TESTS SO WE GET THE DELIVERABLES THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

KIND OF TOLD US WHAT THEY THOUGHT WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT. ENVISIONING FOR THE SHERIFF WHOEVER WE HIGHER WOULD PRODUCE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

MAYBE CONVERSATIONS WHERE IT MIGHT BE LOCATED.

>> LET ME ASK YOU GUYS THIS ONE YOU THINK ABOUT THIS KNOWING THAT AGAIN I AM PUTTING A LOT OF VALUE IN THE SURVEYS AND THE FORMS, KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT PUBLIC SAFETY IS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. IS IT, HELPED ME OUT SOMEBODY UNDER GOVERNMENT SERVICES THAT WE COULD PAY FOR THIS.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT STUDY AGAIN.

THAT SOUNDS ALL FINE AND GOOD AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED

A NEW JAIL. >> I THINK HE IS SAYING MORE.

>> I GET IT. DO WE SKIP THE FIRST PART OF IT ON THE ASSESSMENT AND GO TO THE PART THAT SAYS WE NEED A NEW

JAIL. >> MAY BE SO WAX THAT IS KIND

OF WHAT THE SMITH GROUP DID. >> WE KNOW WE NEED IT A MATTER OF HOW WE PAY FOR IT. I THINK IT COULD BE A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION BUCKS. WITH THE COST OF BUILDING, ALL OF THE EXTRA BELLS AND WHISTLES.

TALKING BIG TIME MONEY HERE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO GET SOMETHING APPROVED. I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, RAISE TAXES UP THE ROOF. SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT THAT SAYS YOU NEED A NEW JAIL.

PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE, WE KNOW WE NEED A NEW JAIL, TELL US WHAT IT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT IT IS GOING TO

COST. >> DESCRIBING AND RFQ SITUATION. AN ENGINEER THAT CAN PROVIDE A DRAWING AND ACTUALLY GIVE US ESTIMATES.

>> WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT? >> PEOPLE THAT ALL THEY DO IN THE STATE YOU KNOW THEM FROM THE CONFERENCES THAT IS ALL THEY DO IS JAILS AND CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES.

THERE IS A NICHE FOR THIS YOU COULD DO THAT.

THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING IS MAYBE ONE GREAT OPPORTUNITY IS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE LIKE WHERE WOULD YOU PUT SOMETHING

LIKE THIS THAT COULD BE ¦ >> EXACTLY.

NOBODY WANTS THAT RIGHT NEXT TO THEM REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT.

>> THE LAND PRICES IN THIS COUNTY ARE AT AN ALL TIME HIGH TENFOLD TO GET A PIECE OF LAND, I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE HOW MANY ACRES THIS WOULD BE. A BIG PIECE OF LAND TO FIND THAT ANYWHERE AROUND YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD FIND IT. SO THAT IS THE OTHER THING WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IT THIS IS NOT A NEGATIVE.

IF WE FOUND THE ACREAGE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD BE.

LET'S DESIGN IT. LET'S HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION

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ABOUT IT. LET'S EITHER HAVE THE

DISCUSSION OR NOT. >> WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING, IF YOU ALL KNOW OF AN ENGINEER YOU ALL CAN HIGHER ONE.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE SOLICIT INTEREST INTO IT WE WOULD DO AND RFQ OR THAT ENGINEER.

>> ALL YOU NEED TO DO YOU ARE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, BABY STEP.

IF WE FOUND AN ENGINEER THAT COULD DESIGN A JAIL FOR US, PAY THEM BY THE HOUR, DESIGNED A JAIL IT MIGHT NOT BE THE FINAL PRODUCT. WE MIGHT CHANGE IT LET'S DO IT ON THE VERSION OF NOT SPENDING 250,000, 25,000 ON AN ENGINEER.

MAYBE THAT IS NOT ENOUGH I AM NOT TRYING TO BE CHEAP.

NOT LOOKING FOR ALL THE AIR DUCTS TALKING ABOUT A

PRELIMINARY. >> THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DESIGN IF YOU HAVE A SITE SELECTION. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, UTILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD HERE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAYBE HAVE RIGHT HERE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JOIN IN. MAYBE HAVE YOU KNOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW THIS NEXT AGENDA ITEM COULD COME FORWARD IN A BETTER

FORM. >> I THINK THAT WHATEVER WE DO WE SHOULD BE SMART ABOUT IT ALWAYS FOR TRANSPARENCY DO AND RFQ FOR RFP. I DO THINK WE HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR IT IN AMERICAN RESCUE I HAVE TO THINK THROUGH THAT MY CONCERN IS WHAT SHOULD WE DO, SHOULD WE DO.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY WE ARE READY TO SEE WHAT A NEW JAIL WOULD COST, I GO BACK TO THE SMITH GROUP THAT WAS A GOOD RFQ THAT WE DID MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS A MODEL.

EXACTLY THAT IT WAS TELL US WHY SHOW US HOW THEN THE SITE SELECTIONS. THEY BROUGHT US A SITE SELECTION. THEN WE CHOSE A SITE ABLE TO HONE IN ON THE ARCHITECTURAL PIECE OF IT THAT WAS A PRETTY

GOOD SYSTEM. >> WHOEVER YOU SELECT WILL HAVE TO HAVE CLOSE MEETINGS WITH THE SHARES OFFICE.

SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND BEST WHAT NEEDS NEED TO BE

ADDRESSED. >> THE JAIL IS HERE RIGHT ANYWHERE AROUND HERE WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE JAIL IS HERE. ALREADY A JAIL.

>> THE ANNEX YOU KNOW MAYBE COMBINE, THE NEW JAIL CAN BE

THE WHOLE JAIL. >> THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE THE

IDEA. >> I HAVE PLANS FOR THE ANNEX

TOO.>> YOU ARE CAUSING US A LOT OF MONEY.

>> CHESNEY WAS NOT COUNTING ON THIS.

>> THAT IS WHAT I SAY. >> I THINK THAT WE HAVE OPENED UP THE DIALOGUE THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS, MICHAEL WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A STAB AT IT.

SHARE IT WITH THE MANAGER'S OFFICE LET US ALL HAVE INPUT BEFORE IT COMES ON THE AGENDA. I BET IN EARLY JANUARY WE CAN GET IT IN THE RIGHT FORM. YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT

A FEASIBILITY STUDY. >> THE ITEM TO REQUEST PERMISSION IS REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THE WORK IS WRITING UP THAT RFQ.

>> PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT THEY DO THIS, THEY PAIR UP WITH SOMEBODY LOCAL. IT WORKS FOR SELECTION AND ALL OF THAT THAT IS THE BEST WAY. WHEN YOU GO TO CONFERENCES HUGE YOU KNOW PIECES OF LITERATURE DEDICATED TO CORRECTIONAL

FACILITIES. >> SHOWING WHAT THEY DID.

>> OKAY. THE GOOD NEWS IS, SOUNDS LIKE

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WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING MAYBE A PIECE OF ELEMENT OF HOW WOULD THAT LOOK FOR A BOND MAYBE TALKING SAYING LOOK, FROM THE PUBLIC FINANCE PIECE OF IT, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IS RIGHT YOU DON'T SHY AWAY FROM IT.

GOING TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND HOW YOU WOULD GO ABOUT IT WE GO TO THE VOTERS WE SAY THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.

I WOULD FEEL ENCOURAGED. CLEARLY SHOW PEOPLE VALUE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY ONLY PRESENT IT TO THEM.

>> OKAY MICHAEL DOES THAT HELP YOU OR HURT YOU?

>> AS TO AT LEAST SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 250 K.

>> WE DON'T WANT TO DO A PROPOSAL.

>> WE NEED TO FIGURE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEBODY PROPOSED SOMETHING. THAT SAYS TO ME, HERE IS HOW WE CAN DO A PROPOSAL. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TO SPEND 250,000. I THINK WE NEED TO HIRE AN ENGINEER DO SOME SORT OF, NOT WILLING TO COMMIT TO 250.

WE NEED A NEW JAIL, WE NEED A NEW JAIL.

WHEN DO WE NEED THE JAIL? THAT IS ONE THING.

>> WOULD YOU BE SO KIND TO LOOK UP HOW MUCH WE SPENT ON THE SMITH GROUP? 112,000 OR 20,000.

GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND SOME DOLLARS TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT GOES. I THINK WHATEVER THE SMITH GROUP IS WOULD GIVE YOU A TEMPLATE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE AVERAGE IS JAIL IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN A BUILDING.

>> I UNDERSTAND ALREADY SPENDING OVER 250 K HOUSING

PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. >> WE ARE.

>> JUST IN A FEW MONTHS.>> LET'S SKIP THE PROCESS.

>> ECONOMICS PROFESSOR ON ME THAT IS AWESOME.

>> USUALLY GET ON TO ME IF I DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE.

SO WHAT IS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS?>> IT WOULD BE OUR VERY WELL JUSTIFIED BY WHAT WE SAW THIS MORNING.

>> EITHER WE USE IT UNDER FEASIBILITY AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE. QUALIFY EITHER WAY.

>> INFRASTRUCTURE COMMISSIONER THERE IS FEASIBILITY LANGUAGE.

>> I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH $100,000.

>> COMFORTABLE WITH LETTING THE ENGINEERS WHO WILL SELECT TELL

US WHAT IT WOULD COST? >> TO JUSTIFY WHERE THEY ARE

SPENDING THEIR MONEY. >> ENGINEERS ARE GOOD PEOPLE.

>> I AM A GOOD PERSON TOO. >> HOW ABOUT WE GO MESS WITH

YOUR PRICING. >> I THINK I AM GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU DO NOT THROW OUT A NUMBER.

>> IF I COME BACK WITH REQUESTS TO BID ON JANUARY 5, PROBABLY HAVE A BID DEVELOPED LATER THAT MONTH WOULD PROBABLY HAVE RESPONSES BACK BY NO LATER THAN MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY.

GOING TO NEED TO FIND THAT. >> LET'S MEET A COUPLE OF

TIMES. >> HE HAS TWO GET IT DONE.

>> WHY CAN'T THE COUNTY ENGINEER, WHY CAN'T WE JUST HAVE THE ENGINEER MEET WITH THE SHERIFF THEY CHOOSE AN ENGINEER

AND BRING US BACK SOMETHING. >> THAT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

>> NOT AN EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO GOING TO THE VOTERS, I WOULD THINK THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO LET THE VOTERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE NEEDS ARE. THOSE NEEDS YOU KNOW, JUST SAID WE NEED 3000 BED FACILITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE I

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KNOW THAT INNOVATION OUT THERE. I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN EXPANSION OF SERVICES OUT THERE.

LIKE MENTAL HEALTH CARE SERVICES MORE AND MORE EMBEDDED IN FACILITIES. SO BEFORE YOU GO TO ENGINEERS, THEY WILL THE SHERIFF SAYS YOU NEED THIS I THINK A LOT OF VALUE IN THAT ASSESSMENT. SOMEBODY LOOKS AT WHAT WE HAVE YES EVEN SOMEONE WITH BAD VISION CAN TELL WE NEED A NEW JAIL. THAT IS A NO-BRAINER.

WHAT DO WE NEED IN A NEW JAIL WHAT ELEMENTS IN THAT NEW FACILITY OR FACILITIES. THAT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEBODY FROM THAT INDUSTRY. I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE VALUE OF THAT ASSESSMENT IS BEFORE YOU GO TO THE ENGINEER.

YOU TELL THE ENGINEERS. >> THAT IS FAIR.

>> TODAY I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

IF THEY ALL WANT TO MEET AND COME UP WITH SOME PLAN.

>> THAT IS HIS FAULT. >> OBVIOUSLY ON THE AGENDA.

I FEEL LIKE KIND OF PIECE ME LANE TODAY.

>> SOMEBODY SUGGESTED THIS A WHILE BACK, A LONG TIME AGO.

WHEN YOU REALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS YOU ACTUALLY BRING IN LIKE A CIRCLE OF FRIENDS SO BAIL BONDS MEN'S, SHERIFF, YOU KNOW TO JUDICIARY WHEN YOU'RE DOING AN ASSESSMENT BASICALLY THAT FUTURE JAIL. SO MAYBE WHEN YOU DO THIS ASSESSMENT, WE DID THIS FOR COURTHOUSE SECURITY.YOU WIRE SOMEBODY YOU WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE TO GET TO THAT NEXT STEP AND MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT IS SLOWER BUT THOUGHTFUL. MAYBE THAT WOULD COMPORT TO

WHAT YOU ARE THINKING SHERIFF. >> EXACTLY.

>> LOOKING FOR A FUNDING SOURCE.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE HEARING, SEEMS TO BE A GOOD ONE.

THE LADIES DOWNSTAIRS. THEY HAVE COME UP WITH ANOTHER

IDEA. >> SOMEONE OF REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE US TO BID OUT THAT SERVICE.

>> JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS BUILT IN 76, PROPERLY MAINTAINED, I AM NOT SAYING IT HAS COME TELLING YOU LOTS OF BUILDINGS AND HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT PRIOR TO 76.

I AM NOT SAYING LET'S BUILD A JAIL, I AM INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO DO SOMETHING. JUST SAYING I AM OKAY LOOKING AT THIS BUT I DON'T WANT US TO JUMP TOO FAR OUT ON THIS EITHER. THE BIGGEST THING WE WOULD EVER DO IN THIS COUNTY. A PLEASANT THING TO DO AND A

PLEASANT THING TO ASK THE VOTERS.>> THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO RIGHT NOW OPEN THE DOOR AND LOOK INSIDE.

>> NOTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT JAIL MORE LIVABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MAINTAINED IT WILL ENOUGH LOTS OF BUILDINGS THAT

ARE WAY OLDER THAN 1976. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.

>> I MEAN I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE COME DOWN TO WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED. WANTS US TO COMMIT TO A DOLLAR AMOUNT IT IS A SCARY AMOUNT. WE ALSO TALK ABOUT PROTECTION UNDER OFFICERS OF THE INMATES. I MEAN ALL THE LOSSES WE FACE, HOW THE SECURITY AND SET UP OF THE BUILDING IS.

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A LOT TO ME THAT SAYS YES. IF WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THE STEPS, LET'S DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN I THINK IT IS OVERDUE.

I THINK IT IS OF IMPORTANCE. STILL BE TWO OR THREE MORE YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE THE FACILITY BUILT.

WHOEVER IS ON THE COMMITTEE, PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. PARKING LOTS AND STUFF, MY THOUGHT IS HOW MANY OFFICES IT WOULD TAKE TO TRANSFER FAR OFF SITE BE SOMETHING WITHIN OUR FOOTPRINT THAT WE CONTROL AND OWN. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS MOVING FORWARD THAT WOULD BE ONE AREA THAT PERHAPS WE COULD LOOK AT. IF WE GET TO THAT POINT.

>> WE ALL NEED TO HAVE A PLACE TO START WHETHER THIS GOES BIG, LITTLE OR RENOVATION. THAT IS WHAT I FEEL.

IT HAD TO HAVE A PLACE TO START THAT IS WHAT THE SHERIFF WAS

DOING TODAY. >> AT LEAST NEED TO LOOK AT RENOVATION AS AN OPTION. ONLY FAIR BECAUSE IF I AM A TAXPAYER, GOING TO LOOK AT RENOVATION.

I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, INCLUDE RENOVATIONS.

NOT JUST ASSUME. BUILD A NEW ONE.

PROBABLY DO, TO BE FAIR TO SELL IT COVER EVERYTHING AND SAY, WE LOOK AT EVERY OPTION. WE CHOSE ANOTHER ROUTE.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE NEWEST JAIL THAT IS BEING BUILT

THE NEWEST ONE IN THIS COUNTRY? >> NOT OFFHAND I DO NOT.

>> MAYBE YOU ALL SHOULD GO VISIT ONE.

I>> A LOT OF ADVANCES AND HARDWARE THAT WE CANNOT EVEN RETROFIT INTO THAT OLD BUILDING.

I THINK THAT IS ALL PART OF THAT ASSESSMENT. THINK THE ASSESSMENT WOULD INCLUDE SEVERAL OPTIONS INCLUDING RENOVATION INCLUDING ONE OR TWO FACILITIES.

WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. >> STILL UP FOR SALE?

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD. >> THERE MIGHT BE BUILDING WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT.

>> RETROFIT A FACTORY YOU GET A LEVI STRAUSS FACTORY.

>> THE PREVIOUS FACILITY THE ANNEX THAT IS WHERE JOHN GORDON GOT HIS CORDUROY JEANS BACK IN THE DAY.

THANK YOU ALL. >> APPRECIATE IT THANK YOU

CAPTAIN. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE NEED TO MOVE. >> I KNOW THE QUESTION WAS

ASKED THE SMITH GROUP 103,000. >> VERY COMPACT SMALL BUILDING.

I WANT TO PUT REALISM IN THE ROOM, JUST THE COSTS OF DOING BUSINESS. THANK YOU.

NO ACTION. JUST THANK YOU.

WE WILL BE BACK. I MEAN WE COULD PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME. I WRADOPTION OF THE ORDER, ANIM

[21. Discuss and consider adoption of an Order amending the Nueces County Animal Control Order of 1991, to reflect the change in the Department’s name, create a “Mission Statement” of the Department, and describe the duties and responsibilities of the Department Supervisor, the Animal Services Officers, and the Animal Advisory Board.]

CONTROL ORDER COULD REFLECT THE CHANGE IN THE DEPARTMENTS NAME, DESCRIBE THE RESPONSIBILITIES. ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD.

WORKING ON THIS DILIGENTLY A COPY OF THEM.

TO START THE PROCESS. TWO, TELL US WHAT WE ARE

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LOOKING AT. >> INTO THE COURT TODAY.

>> HELLO THANK YOU. IS THIS BETTER? HELLO. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS AFTERNOON. OUR OFFICE WAS ASKED A WHILE BACK BY THE JUDGE TO ASSIST IN UPDATING THE COUNTY ORDERS AND DEPARTMENT PROCEDURES AFTER THE DEPARTMENT HAD BEEN WITH THE HEALTH DISTRICT FOR MANY YEARS. IT WAS MOVED BACK TO THE COUNTY ACTUALLY AHEAD OF ALL OF THE SITUATIONS.

AS PART OF THIS PROJECT WE DRAFTED THIS AMENDMENT TO THE COUNTY CONTROL ORDERS PASSED IN 91.

THIS IS THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TO THESE ORDERS.

NOT BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES TO THEM.

THIS WAS TO UPDATE THE NAME OF THE DEPARTMENT WHICH CHANGED A WHILE BACK. ADDRESSING THE DEPARTMENT.

ALTHOUGH IT DOES INCLUDE LANGUAGE FOR THE SUPERVISOR TO MAKE GOALS REGARDING RELEASE RATES, DEVELOPING ADOPTION RESCUE PROGRAMS FOR THE FACILITIES.

WE ALSO INCORPORATED SOME OF THE OTHER AMENDMENTS, WAS NAMED THE AUTHORITY FOR THE COUNTY. WAY BACK IN THE DAY WITH THE HEALTH DISTRICT. ANOTHER PART OF THIS ORDER AMENDMENT IS THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE SHELTER.

ACTUALLY A COMMITTEE REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 823 OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE REQUIRED TO HAVE THIS COMMITTEE AS LONG AS WE MAINTAIN AN ANIMAL SHELTER IN THE COUNTY.

THE BOARD WAS MADE BACK IN THE 80S BUT NEVER ANY ORDER THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS BASICALLY PUT THE ADVISORY AUTHORITY IN THE COUNTY ORDER.

WE DID EXPAND SLIGHTLY TO MAKE IT MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE ARE SEEING. ACROSS THE STATE.

MOST PLACES USE THESE TO PROVIDE ADVICE TO THE COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL. MOSTLY PERTAINING TO THE SHELTER. ALSO FOR COUNTY ORDERS OR ORDINANCES. PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THESE BOARDS REMAINED ACROSS THE STATE, WITH THIS AMENDMENT KEEPING THIS BOARD, DOES REQUIRE THEM TO COMPLY WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS, OF CHAPTER 823 IT DOES ASK THEM ALSO TO HAVE THE MEETINGS FOLLOW THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. ALSO INCLUDED THEY ARE TO MAKE REPORTS TO COMMISSIONERS COURT TO BRING RECOMMENDATIONS THEY HAVE REGARDING COUNTY ORDERS FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTERS OPERATIONS. BUT AGAIN ADVISORY STATEMENTS.

I'VE ANY CONCERNS OR RECOMMENDED CHANGES.

ANOTHER PART OF THIS IS THE IDEAS, THIS IS A LOCAL SHELTER.

WE WANT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVED BY THE DEPARTMENT TO

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HAVE THIS AS A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE THEY CAN HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SHELTER OR ANIMAL CONTROL ISSUES.

THAT MAY MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE COUNTY TO RESPOND TO THEM, THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE PAST, THIS

REALLY PUTS THIS IN WRITING. >> I THINK IT IS GOOD.

I THINK WE ARE. VOICES FROM THE PUBLIC HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE BOARD KIND OF CONSISTENT, THIS IS WHEN WE MEET.

ETC. >> THESE AMENDMENTS IN THE BACKGROUND FOR A WHILE. BROUGHT TO THE BOARD TWO TIMES IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER. EXCITED ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT.

SUPPORTS THESE AMENDMENTS. TO BRING UP IN THAT SIX MONTH,

TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. >> A COPY.

>> ANYTHING ELSE. >> NO UNLESS MAYBE SOMEONE HAS

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE LANGUAGE. >> ON ALL OF THESE POLICIES AND PROCESSES WITH THE BOARD. WITH THE DEPARTMENT.

CAN I PITCH TO YOU HERE. >> THANK YOU JUDGE.

>> HOW THINGS ARE GOING. PRETTY MUCH ALL ANIMAL SERVICES. WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

THIS ITEM IS LONG OVERDUE. TO BEST SERVICE THESE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY. THE CHAIR OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OUR DEPARTMENT HEAD, A LOT OF INSIGHT. AT LEAST OUR YEAR NOW DIRECTLY.

PART OF THIS BEYOND THAT. THEN I TOOK OVER.

MY CONCERN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DID NOT WRITE IT DOWN CORRECTLY. DOESN'T CHANGE THE OPERATIONS.

>> PROVIDES DIRECTION. ANYTHING IN HERE THAT DIRECTS ANY CHANGES TO THE CURRENT OPERATIONS?

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. THIS IS DRAFTED WITH THE IDEA THAT SINCE THE DEPARTMENT HAS COME BACK TO THE COUNTY, COMMITTED TO HOPEFULLY GETTING A NEW FACILITY FOR THE SHELTER, THAT WE WANT TO START AT THIS TIME TO SET GOALS FOR THE ADOPTION'S PROGRAMS. RUN BY THE DEPARTMENT.

WORK ON UPDATING THE PROCEDURES OF THE SHELTER.

REALLY HASN'T BEEN A CHANGE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS CONCERNED THAT THEY MAY HAVE ISSUES DUE TO THEIR SMALL DEPARTMENT. IF THEY NEED TO JUMP INTO A BIG PROGRAM, THIS IS SET UP WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WILL SET SMALLER GOALS, WORK OUR WAY TO ACHIEVING WHAT WE PUT IN THE

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STATEMENT OF REDUCING, ENGAGEMENT.

OF STRAY ANIMALS INTO A SHELTER.

I THINK THAT THIS AMENDMENT IS NOT, SHOULD NOT BE AROUND THIS DEPARTMENT SNAPPED, IT IS NOT INTENDED TO UPSET ITS OPERATIONS. I DO THINK THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN CORRECTED AND OFF THAT IT CAN WORK WITH ANY LARGER PROCEDURE UPDATES BY THE DEPARTMENT OR FUTURE AMENDMENTS DEPENDING ON THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION COMMISSIONERS?

>> I THINK IT DOES. I THINK THAT IS MY CONCERN.

BECAUSE CLARITY NOW, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY THAT WE HAVE, FROM THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD.

KIND OF GETTING TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE ALL ALONG A SUPPLEMENT TO OUR STAFF, SERVICES PROVIDED.

EXPERTS IN THE FIELD OF SERVICES, I WANT THAT TO COMPLEMENT OUR STAFF TOOK A WHILE TO GET ONE SEPARATED.

TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. THAT WE CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION.

UNDER THE OLD MODEL. ON THE CITY COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT SIDE. I AM GLAD WE HAD THAT RELEASE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO REDIRECT AND REORGANIZE.

THAT IS WHAT I HAVE READ, THAT IS WHAT I HAVE GOTTEN ON MY CONVERSATIONS. CHANGING AND TWEAKING WILL STILL BE CHALLENGES FOR US. THINKING THIS IS GOING TO RUN PERFECTLY. A LOT OF CHANGES AND A LOT OF GROWTH TO IT. WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE GIVES US PROPER GUIDANCE TO FOLLOW.

TO MANAGE AND OPERATE THE DEPARTMENT.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR OPERATIONS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF UNDERSTANDS, WE BELIEVE AND SUPPORT THE COUNTY THE IDEA OF HAVING ADOPTIONS FROM OUR FACILITY NOT JUST HAVE GENERALLY UNIONIZATION AND

TERMINATING. >> TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CANNOT BE RECOVERED. BUT OVERALL I THINK THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO DEALING WITH VOLUNTEERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS STOPPED NOW.

WE CANNOT UTILIZE VOLUNTEERS TO HELP US MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL, WE GET BACK, WHICH WAS THE ANIMALS, HOLD THEM OR THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF TIME. THEN PUT TO SLEEP.

I THINK WE NEED TO ENSURE, THAT WE INCLUDE BUDGETS.

I KNOW RESCUE IS A TRICKY SUBJECT.

NOT QUITE THE SAME AS ADOPTION. DIFFERENT PART OF THE PROCESS.

IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT, GREAT.

ALL GOING TO MEAN WE PUT MORE FOCUS, MORE RESOURCES INTO THIS AREA. I KNOW THAT HE HAS BEEN ASSURED ME, WANTING TO WORK WITH THE DIRECTION THIS COURT GIVES HIM, THE DIRECTION THAT HE HAS BEEN GIVEN AS FAR AS POLICY DECISIONS. I KNOW HE WILL DO THAT, I HOPE HE HAS AN OPEN DOOR POLICY AS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKING SURE WE GET ALL OF THIS WORKED OUT.

I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO BE DONE OVERNIGHT.

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TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDED A TOP NOTCH SERVICE.

SO KIND OF MY THOUGHT, A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ITEM.

REALLY CONSUMED A LOT OF MY TIME.

COMPARED TO ALMOST ANY OTHER. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STEP, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A FINAL STEP.

WITH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE CAN WORK THROUGH ANY PROBLEMS OR QUESTIONS THAT COME UP SOME GROWING PAINS, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD STOP US I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. TO RESCUE THESE ANIMALS.

TO GET THEM ADOPTED OUT, NOT HAVING TO HOLD NUMEROUS ANIMALS IN A FACILITY THAT MADE FOR THEM.

TIES INTO THAT. AS FAR AS TALKING ABOUT IT, BUILDING OUR NEW FACILITY THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED.

THANK YOU. >> AGAIN NOT OFTEN I SAY THIS, OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A LAWYER YOU DO GREAT WORK EVERY DAY.

A GREAT JOB ON THIS PUT SO MUCH EFFORT, I SURE THERE ARE TIMES YOU ARE WONDERING YOU KNOW IF IT IS EVEN NOTED.

I WANT TO SAY IT IS. REVIEW.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE ANIMALS IN OUR COMMUNITY, SOMETHING THE CITY WE COULD EMULATE FROM THE CITY.

THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ALSO LOOKING AT WAYS TO REALLY FURTHER ADOPTION AND FOSTERING ALL OF THE NEW PRECEPTS OF OUR TIME SO WITH THAT, I KNOW WE WANT TO HEAR FROM JUAN.

TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

I WANTED TO HEAR FROM HIM. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DO

NOT FORGET THAT. >> WELCOME.

>> NOTHING TO SAY. LIKE TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN THE DECISIONS. WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S

OFFICE. >>.

>> SO UPDATE ME. BUT IF IT PLEASES YOU, YOU CAN JOIN AT ANY TIME MOST OF THE TIMES, UPDATING THE COMMISSIONER AS WELL. COMING TO THIS COURT, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A MODERN ANIMAL CARE FACILITY, THE RESOURCES YOU NEED TO DO THAT. SO I DON'T EXPECT FOR YOU TO GET ALL THESE NEW POLICIES AND NOT FOLLOW UP WITH US AND BE A PART OF THIS DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION.

>> ANOTHER THING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND.

ANIMAL CONTROL WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE COUNTY.

NOT A HEALTH EMPLOYEE, LAST COMMISSIONERS MEETING.

I THINK IT WAS 1988. FROM THE AGENDA, NOT THE AGENDA

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BUT THE ORDERS FROM 1979. >> A LOT OF DOGS TO TALK RIGHT

NOW? >> YES.

>> WATCH MY PHONE BLOWUP RIGHT NOW I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT

IT. >> CALLING TO RESCUE.

>> TO RESPOND VERY QUICKLY. IF NOT CALL OUR OFFICE WE START

THAT PROCESS. >> ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR

SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. >> THANK YOU.

KEEP US POSTED THE HOLIDAYS ARE A TOUGH TIME KEEP US POSTED ON

THOSE NEEDS FOR ADOPTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYBE WE SHOULD GET BACK TO THAT.

>> WE NEED TO START THAT UP AGAIN.

[22. Discuss and consider approval of the proposed 2022 Commissioners Court Schedule.]

>> ALL OF YOU HAVE A COPY. IF YOU NOTICED KIND OF A LET ME SEE HERE, MENTIONING MAYBE WE WOULD DO SOME SORT OF ART, PLEASE WORK WITH YOU THIS COMING WEEK ON YOUR SCHEDULES BEFORE WE SCHEDULE THAT. THERE IS AN ARBITRATION SCHEDULED. SO WE MAY HAVE TO DO EXTRA CARE AND PLANNING. ARBITRATIONS.

>> SOMETIME IN JANUARY. >> ON ONE OF THESE MEETINGS.

>> I SEE OKAY. IF THE COURT EMAIL THE COURSE MANAGER, WE WILL WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU.

MOTION AND A SECOND. >> OCTOBER 5, AN ANNUAL

CONFERENCE I THINK. >> OKAY.

>> SO OCTOBER 5 MAY HAVE A CONFLICT.

IT IS THE ANNUAL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHAT IS IT?

>> SO CAN WE PROVE THAT THIS SUBJECT TO THAT DATE BROUGHT

BACK TO US TOO. >> WE CERTAINLY CAN IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE IT TO THE 28, THE WEEK BEFORE.

>> TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS.>> MEETING A LOT FROM WHAT I CAN

RECALL IN SEPTEMBER. >> AUGUST INTO SEPTEMBER.

>> OCTOBER 12 INSTEAD. >> THAT WOULD BE FINE.

>> I MEAN IT IS HARD TO SET THAT FAR AHEAD.

ABLE TO GET THE AGENDA IN AT SOME POINT.

FROM WHAT EXPERIENCE SHOWS. >> OKAY IF WE AMEND OCTOBER 5

OCTOBER 12 TWO NOW. >> THAT IS OKAY.

>> MAKE THAT MOTION THEN. >> I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.

>> ACCOMMODATING TO EVERYONE'S SCHEDULE.

>> WE WILL MOVE ON. SUBJECT TO THAT CHANGE ARTICULATED TO OCTOBER 12, A MOTION AND A SECOND ALREADY? THE SECOND TIER. SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

>> I READ. THE NEXT ONE GOING TO DISCUSS EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK

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AND DISCUSS IT TOO. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION IN

EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> OKAY.

>> LITERALLY SITTING THERE, ALMOST LIKE PERFECTLY BEHIND TERESA. I LOST TRACK OF YOU FOR A

[1. Discuss and consider the submission of a grant application to the Community Resiliency Program available through Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs, a potential partnership with the City of Robstown, and related matters.]

SECOND. SO PATIENTLY ALL DAY.

THE SUBMISSION FOR THE PROGRAM THROUGH DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. SO.

>> I WILL BE QUICK. SOME DEVELOPMENTS.

APPROACHED BY THE CITY FOR THIS GRANT OPPORTUNITY.

LOOKING TO EITHER BUILD OR REHAB A BUILDING FOR THEIR EMS AS WELL AS PURCHASE EMERGENCY SERVICES VEHICLES.

ADVISED ME THEY WILL NOT BE SEEKING.

TO SUBMIT ITS OWN APPLICATION. IT DOES HAVE TO HAVE A TIEBACK.

FOR THE COUNTY TO PUT IN A GOOD APPLICATION.

MAYBE SOMETHING WITH THE MOBILE HEALTH CLINIC THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. TO MAKE IT MORE FRIENDLY.

THIS ASKED TO HAVE A COVID-19 TIEBACK A LOT OF POINTS AWARDED FOR SOMETHING MORE SHOVEL READY.

I THINK ALREADY ENLISTED AN ARCHITECT FOR THE BUILDING AND DOING SOMETHING HEALTH RELATED. SOME OPPORTUNITIES I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS AND LET THE COURT BE AWARE THIS IS A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE.

IT IS HUD FUNDING, SO THERE IS KIND OF THAT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME REQUIREMENT AND THERE'S SOME OTHER NUANCES THAT WILL NEED TO BE MET. BUT AGAIN I WELCOME ALL IDEAS IF YOU CAN SEND THEM TO ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

BUT I DID NOT WANT TO LET THIS OPPORTUNITY GO BY.

>> MOTION TO SUBMIT. >> OKAY, I'LL SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> IT DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SO WE WILL BE COMING BACK SO YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PROJECT WILL BE. THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC

HEARING -- >> OF COURSE.

AND WE'LL JUST SUBMIT TO YOU. IS MICHAEL STILL HERE? LET'S ALSO WORK WITH YOU ON SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE GOT HERE.

JUAN IS HERE, WE CAN GET SOME OF HIS PROJECTS DONE.

[1. Discuss and consider approval of Change Order No. 2 for the Nueces County Courthouse Exterior Wall Remediation Project.]

WHY DON'T YOU COME JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE STANDING UP.

YOU HAVE A CHANGE ORDER FOR THE COURTHOUSE WALL REMEDIATION

PROJECT? >> YES, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 2 FOR DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COURTHOUSE. AND IT'S AN ALL COST CHANGE

ORDER. >> WHICH ONE?

>> NUMBER ONE ON -- >> I THOUGHT YOU SAID TWO --

>> NUMBER ONE ON PUBLIC WORKS. IT'S A NO COST CHANGE ORDER.

AND NOTHING ELSE THERE? >> NO NOTHING ELSE.

IT'S JUST ADDITIONAL COST. >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

[3. Discuss and consider authorization of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds for the purchase of the following equipment for Public Works: a. Three (3) new excavators b. Two (2) new 6-inch diesel powered water pumps with trailers c. Six (6) new tractor mowers with rotary cutters d. Two (2) new hydro-vac trucks with tank and hoses]

>> OKAY, AND THEN JUAN WE ALREADY DID NUMBER TWO EARLIER.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> AND THEN NUMBER THREE IS ABOUT SOME EQUIPMENT THAT WE, I WANT TO HEAR ALL ABOUT IT.

WE ALREADY KIND OF MADE THE DECISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME AND TALK ABOUT ARPA IN WORKSHOP FORUM MAYBE IN JANUARY.

BUT WILL YOU TALK ABOUT THESE ITEMS, HOW YOU WOULD USE THEM AND MAYBE SOME COST ESTIMATES THAT YOU HAVE?

>> YES, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. THESE ARE SOME EXCAVATORS FOR THE ITEM A. IT'S THREE NEW EXCAVATORS AND REALLY THEY'RE GRADE ALLS. AND THESE ARE FOR DOING IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR ROADSIDE DITCHES.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO GRADE ALLS, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IS THREE ADDITIONAL ONES SO WE CAN HAVE ONE AT EACH INDIVIDUAL

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PRECINCT AND HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ONE THAT WAY WE CAN DO SOME MORE ROADSIDE DITCH IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

AND THIS WOULD HELP US OUT. ITEM NUMBER B WHICH IS TWO NEW SIX INCH DIESEL POWERED WATER PUMPS WITH TRAILERS.

I KNOW THAT USUALLY WHEN WE DO GET HEAVY RAIN EVENTS WE'RE OUT THERE TRYING TO SEARCH FOR WATER PUMPS.

THESE ARE MUCH NEEDED AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING THEM.

>> CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH THOSE ARE?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, JUDGE, I DID HAVE THE PRICE.

>> IT'S OKAY, I'M JUST WONDERING.

GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE. >> YES, MA'AM.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS SIX NEW MOWER TRACTORS WITH ROTARY CUTTERS. ON THAT ONE, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ALSO PART OF OUR MAINTENANCE PROCESS FOR OUR ROADSIDE DITCHES. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX. I KNOW SOME OF THESE MOWERS ARE KIND OF OUTDATED. I KNOW WE HAVE TWO NEW ONES THAT ARE FORWARD DRIVE MOWERS. THE ONES WE ARE REQUESTING WOULD BE SIX NEW ONES WOULD BE 4 WHEEL DRIVE ALSO.

ITEM D, THAT'S THE TWO NEW HYDRO-VAC TRUCKS WITH TANKS AND HOSES. THOSE, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, WOULD BE USED TO CLEAN OUT THE CULVERTS.

I KNOW WE'RE DOING SOME INFORMAL CONTRACTS TO ASSIST US WITH THAT. THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO BE DOING OUR OWN INTERNAL CLEANING OF CULVERTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

THIS WOULD BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GRADE ALLS BECAUSE WE WOULD BE CLEANING OUT THE DITCHES AND AT THE SAME TIME WE WOULD BE CLEANING OUT THE CULVERTS SO WE CAN KEEP THE

WATER FOR POSITIVE DRAINAGE. >> OKAY, AND I'M SURE IT'S IN HERE SO I'M JUST GOING TO TURN TO THE PAGE, BUT YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE HANDY SOMEBODY THAT THE DOLLARS.

HERE THEY COME, WHY DON'T YOU RATTLE OFF SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM. BECAUSE LIKE ON THE HYDRO-VAC TRUCKS, I MYSELF HAVE SEEN FIVE INVOICES FOR LIKE $49,000 EACH.

$250,000 ON A CONTRACT. SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW MUCH CHEAPER IT WOULD BE IF WE OWNED OUR OWN STUFF.

>> FOR ITEM A, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE THREE NEW GRADE ALLS IT WOULD BE ABOUT $1.3 MILLION.

FOR THE TWO NEW SIX INCH POWERED DIESELS, IT'S $80,692 APPROXIMATELY. FOR ITEM C FOR THE SIX NEW TRACTOR MOWERS WITH THE ROTARY CUTTERS, IT WOULD BE $489,961 PLUS OR MINUS. AND ITEM D FOR THE TWO NEW HYDRO-VACS IT WOULD BE $890,871.72.

>> OKAY SO MY QUESTION A LITTLE BIT IS FOR DALE HERE.

SO ON EQUIPMENT OBVIOUSLY AGAIN GOING BACK TO BUDGET, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET THAT COULD AT LEAST TAKE OR IS THERE ANYTHING IN BUDGET, CAPITAL WISE, FOR EQUIPMENT THAT COULD HELP IN ANY

OF THESE? >> WE REMOVED FROM ROAD AND BRIDGE BECAUSE OF TOTAL ISSUES LAST YEAR.

AND IT HAD TO BE FUNDED THROUGH OUR COS SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE FUNDS FOR CAPITAL.

>> SO I RECALL THAT WE HAD IN OUR CO PRIORITIZATION WHEN WE ALL GATHERED AND WE SAID WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE? WE ACTUALLY PUT MONEY FOR EQUIPMENT ON THERE AND SO MAYBE TERESA CAN HELP ME WITH THAT. BUT I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT WE

DID. >> I THOUGHT ALL OF THIS WAS OKAY TO GO THROUGH THE ARPA FUNDS.

>> WELL I KNOW BUT HOPEFULLY WE WOULD HAVE THE GOOD COMMON SENSE TO SEE WHAT ALL OUR NEEDS ARE AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS AS COMPARATIVE. IF WE KEEP DOING THIS PIECEMEAL STUFF, YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP HAVING NOTHING TRANSFORMATIONAL.

I'M TRYING TO GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED AND LOOKING FOR ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE OUT THERE SO THAT YOU DON'T DRAIN ARPA IF THERE'S OTHER FUNDS. IF THE COS, I THOUGHT WE HAD EQUIPMENT IN OUR COS FOR 2021. WE JUST HADN'T DONE IT YET, BUT

I THINK WE PRIORITIZED IT. >> I THINK THERE IS MONIES IN THERE, JUDGE. I THINK IT'S LIKE 800 SOMETHING THOUSAND. I KNOW WITH THOSE, WE HAVE A LIST FOR THOSE $890,000. THAT'S TO REPLACE SOME OF OUR

EQUIPMENT -- >> SOMETHING ELSE?

>> YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE AGAIN JUDGE AND

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COMMISSIONERS, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE TO DATE ARE LIKE 1970 EQUIPMENT AND SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO GET REPLACED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING FROM A BACKHOE TO A SKID STEER TO LOADERS, PNEUMATIC, WE HAVE OTHER HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUY WITH THAT.

>> SO YOU FEEL LIKE THE FUNDS THAT WE ALREADY PUT ASIDE IN THOSE FUNDS YOU WILL ACCOUNT FOR WITH WHAT --

>> YES, SIR. AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A MILLING MACHINE TO ASSIST US WHEN WE'RE DOING A FULL ROAD REHAB. I KNOW THAT ONE IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO ABOUT 900,000. BUT ON THAT ONE, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN HOPEFULLY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT GETTING LIKE A FIVE YEAR PLAN OR LEASE PLAN. AND I WAS GOING TO TALK TO DALE

ABOUT THAT ONE. >> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT AND THEN THE LOCATION FOR SECURITY FOR ALL OF THIS? A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT AT DIFFERENT PRECINCTS, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT

THAT? >> SECURITY WISE --

>> WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? >> IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN CENTRAL YARD AND ALSO THE FORE YARD.

>> SO YOUR PLAN IS YOU WOULD PUT THEM AT DIFFERENT YARDS AND OBVIOUSLY WHOEVER MAINTAINS THOSE YARDS WOULD TAKE CARE OF THEM. AND THEN MAINTENANCE, I GUESS ALL OF THIS WOULD BE WARRANTIED FOR SOME --

>> WE'RE LOOKING AT A THREE YEAR WARRANTY FOR SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE COSTS TOO. I KNOW WE JUST PUT A BRAND NEW SECURITY FENCE LAST YEAR AT THE FORE YARD.

SO WE'RE DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR SECURITY OUT THERE.

>> SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS ALL BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE DO THE WORKSHOP.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT FOR $80,000 THE POWERED WATER PUMPS WITH TRAILERS ARE NOT LIKE YOU SAID, I MEAN IT'S JUST A NECESSITY FOR ANY KIND OF RAIN EVENT AND IT COULD BE TIED TO DRAINAGE IMMEDIATELY FOR ARP PURPOSES.

THAT'S LIKE A NO-BRAINER. AND THE OTHER THING IS THOSE HYDRO-VAC TRUCKS WITH TANK HOSES.

THOSE ALSO SEEM LIKE A NO-BRAINER TO ME.

>> THE GRADE ALLS, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, THE GRADE ALLS ONE THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER ON THAT THOSE ARE SLOW, AND I SAY SLOW, BUT IT'S A REAL TEDIOUS PROCESS WHEN YOU'RE CLEANING THE DITCHES ON THE ROADSIDE BECAUSE YOU HAVE WATER LINES, YOU HAVE GAS LINES, YOU HAVE ELECTRICAL LINES, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF UTILITIES THERE. SO THAT IS A SLOW PROCESS.

AND GETTING THESE THREE ADDITIONAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, WE CAN KIND OF STAGE AT DIFFERENT PRECINCTS SO WE CAN KEEP UP WITH SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'RE GETTING CONTINUOUS CALLS ABOUT CLEANING THEIR DITCHES AND DOING SOME DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, LIKE I SAID IT'S A SLOW PROCESS WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE REQUESTING IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PERSONNEL THAT WE CAN PLACE ON THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT SO WE CAN STAGE THEM AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

>> AND YOU'VE LOOKED AT, YOU'VE VETTED IT TO WHERE YOU COULD SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CHEAPER TO LEASE THIS EQUIPMENT OR BUY THIS EQUIPMENT AND THE SAME THING WITH THE, LET ME JUST FINISH REAL QUICK, LIKE WE'RE EMBARKING ON THESE AWESOME DRAINAGE WORKSHOPS WITH THE CONCEPT BEING GOING OUT FOR AN RFP FOR OVERALL NUECES COUNTY MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CONTRACT.

IF WE DO THAT, THE ANSWER COULD BE YES, BUT DO YOU STILL FEEL LIKE IF WE DID A CONTRACT THAT COVERS ALL OF THESE HOT SPOTS THAT YOU WOULD STILL NEED ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT?

>> YES, MA'AM. AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, COMMISSIONER RENTED OUT A COUPLE OF GRADE ALLS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP SAYING STUFF LIKE THAT.

>> WITHIN HIS PRECINCT AND IT COST FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS IT COST

JUST $30,000. >> OH YES, I'M FULLY AWARE.

>> THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO RENT OUT.

AND THEN IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT YOU'RE RENTING OUT, YOU HAVE TO FIX THAT AND PAY THE RENTAL.

>> I WANT TO OBVIOUSLY I MEAN, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AS PART OF AN OVERALL THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROPRIATE EVERYTHING RATHER THAN JUST SPEND $2.5 MILLION RIGHT NOW. WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THE ONE, THAT THE WATER PUMPS, THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT THAT OVERALL BUDGET THAT'S LEFT OVER.

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WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY 5TH WHEN WE COME BACK SO WE COULD DO THAT WHOLE WORKSHOP ALL TOGETHER.

IF I SAID TO YOU, JUAN, WE ALREADY GAVE YOU $1 MILLION FROM CO FOR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT AND WE'LL PUT ANOTHER, LET'S JUST SAY, THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL, MILLION DOLLARS FROM ARP IN EQUIPMENT, MAYBE YOU WOULD WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES YOU THINK ARE BEST. YOU MIGHT SAY I'LL TAKE TWO EXCAVATORS INSTEAD OF THREE. IN OTHER WORDS IF THE COURT WERE TO BE ABLE TO ASSIGN A DOLLAR BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE, THERE'S A WISH LIST OUT THERE.

AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TO PUT TOWARDS EACH.

>> JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, I WOULDN'T BE COMING TO YOU REQUESTING FOR THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT IF IT WERE NOT NEEDED.

WE HAVE THE STAFF THAT WE CAN PUT ON THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. AND THEY'RE MUCH NEEDED PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND I KNOW LIKE I SAID LIKE Y'ALL DO, WE GET THE CALLS TOO ABOUT THE CONSTITUENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR DRAINAGE DITCHES AND HAVING TO BE MAINTAINED AND NOT DRAINING CORRECTLY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THIS WOULD HELP US OUT A LOT, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. WE WOULDN'T BE REQUESTING IT IF

IT'S NOT A NEED. >> WHAT'S IT 2.5 MILLION?

>> 2.7, COMMISSIONER. 2.8.

>> I KNOW THERE'S A NEED. THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND THE JAIL DIVERSION CENTER, THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR ALL OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING. THOSE DOLLARS WILL GO LIKE THIS AND EQUIPMENT WILL NOT LAST. EQUIPMENT WILL TEN YEARS FROM NOW, NOBODY WILL LOOK BACK AND GO WOW WE GOT THAT EXCAVATOR.

WHAT THEY'LL DO IS BE ABLE TO SEE IF WE CHANGE SOMEBODY'S LIVES. SO I THINK WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS MAKE THE CASE IN JANUARY THAT THAT EXCAVATOR, I NEED YOU TO GET A LITTLE MORE DETAILED FOR ME.

YOU SHOULD SAY HEY WITH THREE EXCAVATORS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO 100 BLANK. WITH THESE HYDRO-VACS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN OUT 50 CULVERTS.

GET SPECIFIC. THE REASON THE FEDS GAVE US THIS MONEY, IT'S NOT A PAYDAY, IT'S MEANT TO SAY HOW CAN I STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR LOCAL AREAS. BUT HERE'S THE BIG ONE, HOW CAN IT CHANGE YOUR WAY OF LIFE IN DRAINAGE? AND I THINK YOU'RE ALMOST THERE. BUT FOR ME IT WOULD BE GREAT TO JUSTIFY NOT THAT WE'RE JUST BUYING $2.5 MILLION WORTH OF EQUIPMENT. IT WON'T TAKE YOU LONG, MAKE THE CONNECTION. TELL US WHAT THIS EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE. OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY IS JUST GIVING YOU YOUR WISH LIST THAT YOU WANTED.

ALL PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE WANT EQUIPMENT.

IT'S LIKE ALL BOYS WANT TRUCKS AND TOYS.

YES THEY DO, THAT'S WHY THEY BUY TRUCKS AND TOYS.

>> I CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW BUT YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY? AND MAYBE IT'S TRUE SOME OF THE THINGS THE JUDGE SAYS.

BUT I THINK IN JANUARY WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED. AND LET ME JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK.

THIS MAN AND HIS DAUGHTER I GUESS, THEY HAD A CRACKED CULVERT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. AND ALMOST YOU COULD PUT A TIRE IN THERE OR WHATEVER. AND THEY WERE JUST ANGRY AS HECK THAT DIDN'T NOBODY CARE, NOBODY DO THIS.

THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER CRACK IN THE ROAD WHERE YOU CROSS AT THE INTERSECTION OF BOTH STREETS. AND AGAIN THEY WERE COMPLAINING THAT IF SOMEBODY FALLS THERE WE'RE GOING TO BE LIABLE.

WHAT HAPPENED, THEY GO OUT THERE AND THEY DID THEM IN TWO DAYS.

BUT THEY HAD TO PULL PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT JOBS TO GET THEM OUT THERE. SO THAT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY. SOMEBODY CALLS AND SOMEBODY NEEDS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. EVERYBODY OUT THERE, IT'S IMPORTANT. YOU'VE GOT TO DO IT NOW.

AND SOMETIMES THEY UNDERSTAND, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING IT IN TWO DAYS.

I THINK EQUIPMENT IN A WAY IT'S OVERDUE.

BUT IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN JANUARY AND SEE WHAT WE COME UP

WITH. >> YES, SIR.

AND YOU'RE CORRECT, COMMISSIONER.

THESE AREN'T LIKE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT SO WE HAVE TO PUT THEM IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK AND TRAILER AND DEMOBILIZE AND REMOBILIZE. SO DOING THIS IS NOT COST EFFICIENT TO THE COUNTY. AND HAVING THESE EQUIPMENT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COUNTY WOULD BE COST EFFICIENT BECAUSE WE WOULD STATION THEM APPROPRIATELY WHERE WE COULD MOBILIZE PRETTY QUICKLY. AND NOT SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON

DEMOBILIZING AND REMOBILIZING. >> AND YOU SPEND A LOT OF MONEY

ON WATER PUMPS TOO. >> YES, SIR.

>> I THINK THE WATER PUMPS AND THE HYDRO-VAC TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THIS COURT IS GOING TO SAY WE'RE ALREADY

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SPENDING MONEY, TOO MUCH MONEY ON IT.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> LIKE I SAID IT BOTHERS ME --

>> ON A RENTAL. >> IT BOTHERS ME WHEN I SEE 5 OR

6 DIFFERENT $49,000 HYDRO-VAC. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE JANUARY 5TH.

I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE IT.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> OKAY. THE NEXT ONE OF TALK TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE NEXT ONE IS A DEDUCTIVE

CHANGE ORDER NO. 2. >> WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THAT

ONE, JUDGE. >> TO JANUARY 5TH?

>> TO THE 5TH. >> MOTION TO TABLE.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.

[6. Discuss and consider selection of Govind Development, LLC. for Professional Engineering services for the design of the Hazel Bazemore Dog Park Facility; discuss and consider approval of Professional Services Agreement.]

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. >> THE NEXT ONE IS GOVIND DEVELOPMENT, IT'S THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE DESIGN OF THE HAZEL BAZEMORE DOG PARK FACILITY. FIRST IT'S SELECTION THEN IT'S THE CONTRACT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SELECT?

>> SO MOVED. >> AND A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> NOW THE NEXT PIECE IS THE ACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. I'M SUPPOSEDLY, COUNTY ATTORNEY, EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER; IS THAT CORRECT?

THIS IS NUMBER SIX, SORRY. >> WE RECOMMEND THE CONTRACT

SERVICES FOR THE DOG PARK. >> IT'S GOOD TO GO.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY SOMETHING WITH GOVIND PRESENT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT HE HEARS IT.

I'M GOING TO OBVIOUSLY IN THE INTEREST OF JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, I DON'T WANT TO LIKE RESTART THIS WHOLE PROCESS BUT WE HAD AIA AGREEMENTS HERE, THEY'RE LIKE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS. THEY'RE GOOD AGREEMENTS.

THEY PROTECT YOU, THEY PROTECT THE COUNTY.

AND WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET THESE AGREEMENTS.

I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DIDN'T DO AN AIA.

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ASK ONE ENGINEER OR ARCHITECT TO DO ONE SET OF DOCUMENTS AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER ONE DO ANOTHER AND EXPECT THERE TO BE A GOOD CONSISTENCY FOR FUTURE COURTS.

SO IN THE FUTURE I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT BECOME A MAJOR PRACTICE OF PUBLIC WORKS AND IF I HAVE TO BRING A POLICY, I'LL DO THAT ON AN AGENDA ITEM. BUT ON THIS ONE I'M OKAY BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS WE HAD GREAT DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND ALL OF THE ENGINEERS THAT WE'VE HAD EVERYONE LIKES TO HAVE THE EASIEST PIECE OF PAPER POSSIBLE. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY A STRANGE PRACTICE, THIS IS A COMMON ONE.

I'D LIKE TO THROW THAT OUT AND I'D WELCOME YOU FEEDBACK OFFLINE ON THAT. BUT IS THERE A MOTION FOR THIS.

>> SO MOVED. >> AND A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IF FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

[1. Discuss and award RFP No. 3177-21 Emergency Management Incident Response Services.]

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> WE GO FORWARD. AND WE ALREADY DID NUMBER SEVEN.

THEN MICHAEL WE HAVE AN RFP 3177-21 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT INCIDENT RESPONSE SERVICES. WE'VE ALREADY DONE NUMBER TWO.

>> OKAY YES, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, WE PUT OUT A BID FOR THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT INCIDENT RESPONSE SERVICES, WE RECEIVED THREE. ONE WAS NONRESPONSIVE, THE OTHER ONE PROVIDED SERVICES THAT DID NOT MATCH WITH WHAT WAS IN THE BID. THAT LEFT US REALLY WITH ONLY ONE TO CONSIDER AND THE ONE THAT WAS THERE FOR CONSIDERATION HAD 0 COASTAL EXPERIENCE. THEY ONLY DID WORK ABOVE THE

TEXAS OKLAHOMA BORDER. >> OKAY.

>> SO THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT WE NEED TO REBID.

>> MOTION TO REJECT. >> ALL BIDS AND TRY THIS AGAIN.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IF FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

[1. Approve Monthly Financial Report for the month of August 2021.]

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> OKAY, DALE WOULD YOU GIVE US THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST 2021, PLEASE.

>> WE HAVE MONTHLY FINANCE REPORT FOR AUGUST.

IT SHOWS OUR BALANCES FOR GENERAL FUND AND OTHER FUNDS.

GENERAL FUND AT $36,911. OUR PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR WAS RIGHT AT $25 MILLION, WE HOPE TO BE ABOVE 25 TO 26.

WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT SOME NUMBERS, WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO THAT. HOPEFULLY WE'LL END THE BALANCES WHERE WE NEED TO BE. THE KEY ISSUE ON PAGE 26 IS YOUR REVENUE AND EXPENSES OF THE BALANCES.

AND THE KEY ITEMS YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IS YOUR CHARTS ON PAGE 8 AND 9 SHOWING YOUR HISTORIES AS WELL AS YOUR FUND BALANCES AND

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IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING AS WE HAVE IN HISTORY AMOUNTS.

ON PAGE 10 WHERE WE GET THE ISSUE OF OUR HEALTH INSURANCE FUNDS AND WE KNOW THAT THIS WAS NEGATIVE IN AUGUST.

THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED AS WE KNOW WE DID TRANSFER THIS YEAR FOR FUNDS. WHEN WE GO THROUGH COLLECTIONS ON PAGE 16, THIS IS WHERE OUR LIMITED COLLECTIONS FOR THE YEAR ARE. RIGHT NOW FOR AUGUST WE'RE AT 93.4%. THAT'S KIND OF A LOW NUMBER.

WE WERE HOPING TO BE CLOSER TO 97% OR 98%.

WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE MONTH TO GO SO WE'RE VERY WORRIED ABOUT THAT. IF YOU SEE OUR TAXES ARE AT 97.6%. WE ALWAYS BUDGET IT 95% OF OUR TOTAL. SO WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THAT. WE'RE $1 MILLION BELOW THE REMAINING BALANCE. SO THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT AND RESOLVE. AS WE GO THROUGH OUR BUDGET EXPENDITURES, THERE WAS ONLY A FEW ITEMS THAT WERE IN NEGATIVE AT THE PERIOD WHICH IS GOOD. THE FIRST ONE WAS GOING TO BE ON PAGE NUMBER 38. AND THAT'S OUR LEGAL AID WHICH IS NORMALLY THE CASE BECAUSE OF HOW WE PAY THE BALANCES.

NEXT ITEM IS ON PAGE 47. BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. WE'VE DONE SOME BUDGET CHANGES TO FIX THAT. THIS UPCOMING NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE ADDRESSED IT BY GIVING IT AN ADDITIONAL CLERK SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT BE A CONTINUING EVENT. ON PAGE NUMBER 55 YOU'LL SEE THAT CONSTABLE PRECINCT 5 IS AT A SLIGHTLY LESS BALANCES.

THAT'S BECAUSE OPTIONS OF YOUR SALARIES AND YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL PAYS AS WE GET STAFF CHANGING AND COMING IN AND OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT, SOMETIMES THE NEW EMPLOYEE COMING IN IS FROM A SENIOR EMPLOYEE THAT COMES IN AT HIGHER PAY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

ON PAGE 58 OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS A LITTLE BIT LESS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OVERTIME ON THE SITUATION WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITH COVID AND OTHER EXPENSES.

THE KEY ISSUE WE WANT TO LOOK AT ON PAGE 61.

61 SHOWS YOU OUR BALANCES TOTAL FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

WE SAID RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ONE MONTH LEFT OF THE YEAR WHICH IS 8.33% REMAINING. THE REMAINING BUDGET FOR THE EXPENSES IS 22.4%. AS WE SAW WE WERE VERY LOW ON OUR REVENUE. WE NEED TO KEEP THIS AS CLOSE TO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. AND WE ALWAYS KNOW SEPTEMBER IS THE MONTH THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO SPEND THE MOST TO TRY TO GET ALL OF THEIR BUDGET SPENT. THAT'S SOME KEY ISSUES WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS. WE HOPE THAT DOESN'T BECOME A PROBLEM. PAGE 81 IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR OUTLAY FUNDS. THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT OUTSTANDING OBLIGATIONS.

THESE FUNDS ARE PROBABLY OBLIGATED BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SPENT. YOU CAN SEE WE H HAVE 2004, 2007, 2016, 17, 19 COS.

WE NEED TO TRY TO GET THOSE OLDER FUNDS IF THEY'RE ALREADY ENCUMBERED WE NEED TO GET THEM SPENT AND PROCESSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. REMAINING BALANCES, JUST SHOW YOU 85 WHICH IS UP FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST.

IT'S $345,719. THE VERY LAST PAGE OF THE REPORT IS PAGE 173. YOU'LL SEE FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF AUGUST, WE HAVE SPENT $3,825,053.41.

I'M NOT GOING TO LIE WE'RE WORKING WITH WELLS FARGO ON TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL BALANCES GOING THROUGH.

WHAT THAT WILL DO IS GIVE US A HIGHER REBATE AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WITH WELLS FARGO, AND WE SHOULD BE BRINGING SOME OF THAT TO YOU VERY SOON. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> NUMBER FIVE, DALE, I LOOKED AT THE INVOICE, I THINK ONE TIME I ASKED YOU IF YOU COULD GIVE US A BREAKDOWN OF THE INVOICE. I PULLED THE INVOICE UP, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BREAKDOWN. WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?

>> WE'RE STILL ON THE MONTHLY FINANCE REPORT.

>> OKAY, BUT IT SAYS DISCUSS AND APPROVE PAYMENT OF INVOICE FROM CORPUS CHRISTI NUECES COUNTY HEALTH.

>> HE'S TELLING YOU WE'RE ONLY ON NUMBER ONE RIGHT NOW.

>> OH I'M SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY.

HE'LL CATCH UP. LET'S MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE

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THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT. >> I GOTCHA.

>> SO MOVED. >> I'LL SECOND.

[2. Approve asset forfeiture report for FY 2021 for Nueces County Sheriff's Office.]

ALL THOSE IF FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. >> NOW LET'S GO TO THE ASSET FORFEITURE REPORT FOR THE SHERIFFS.

>> THIS HAS BEEN REVISED AND CHANGED A FEW TIMES, BUT THIS IS THE FINAL NUMBERS. THE NUMBERS MATCH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE WITHIN THE BALANCES WE HAVE IN OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM. AND WE MET WITH THE SHERIFF AND MY STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THEM AND HIS STAFF.

THE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE AND WE SUBMIT THIS FOR YOUR APPROVAL SO WE CAN SUBMIT TO THE STATE FOR CHAPTER 59 FOR THE SHERIFF.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTION? SEEMS EVERYTHING IN ORDER THERE.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> AND IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[3. Approve Capital Project Budget Change Order No. 103.]

>> AYE. >> OKAY, AYE.

NOW WE'VE GOT A CAPITAL BUDGET PROJECT CHANGE ORDER IT'S NUMBER

103. >> THE MAJORITY OF THESE CHANGE ORDERS FOR NUMBER 103 IS FOR SEVERAL NEW PROJECTS WE'VE GOT COMING IN. EQUIPMENT FOR PUBLIC WORKS OF $13,000 AS WELL AS THE CITY OF DRISCOLL AND LOCAL AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH WASTE WATER DISCHARGE OF $29,000.

AND FOR OUR 2015COS WE'VE ADDED ROAD PROJECTS COUNTY ROAD 26A AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. FOR 2016 WE HAVE BLUEBONNET SUBDIVISION DRAINAGE FOR $49,000.

AND FOR OUR 2017 COS, WE NEED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION TO THAT. ON PAGE TWO OF THOSE BALANCES, THEY SHOW YOU OUR NEW BALANCES FOR THE NUECES COUNTY ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE COURTHOUSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NEEDED FOR THOSE BALANCES.

THIS IS A BUDGET CHANGE ORDER FOR CAPITAL PROJECT NUMBER 103.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

I SUBMIT THIS FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE AND APPROVAL.

>> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, IN THAT CASE HOW ABOUT A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS

CHANGE ORDER NO. 103? >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> AND A SECOND PLEASE? >> SECOND.

[4. Approve Budget Change Order No. 04 for Fiscal Year 2021-2022.]

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. >> NOW WE'VE GOT A BUDGET CHANGE ORDER NO. 4 FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

>> OUR CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR THESE ARE ALL OF THE ONES WE HAVE FOR OUR NEW LEASE VEHICLES. WE HAD TO BRING A LOT OF SYSTEM MAINTENANCE BACKGROUNDS IN THERE FOR COUNTY RADIO SHORTAGES WORKING WITH TERESA AND HER STAFF ON THAT SIDE OF IT.

THEY NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL $25,000, THAT'S THE ONLY ADDITIONAL COST WE NEED. AND A SMALL AMOUNT OF REPAIRS FOR THE JUDGE'S OFFICE. BUT THESE FUNDS ARE HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR MOVEMENT. WE'RE ASKING FOR BUDGET CHANGE ON NO. 4 FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND ACCEPTANCE.

>> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE CHANGE ORDER.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. >> ALL RIGHT NOW WE GET TO

[5. Discuss and approve payment of invoice from Corpus Christi - Nueces County Health Department.]

NUMBER FIVE. >> NUMBER FIVE IS BASICALLY JUST THE INVOICE WE HAVE WHERE WE SHARE THE PAYMENT FOR THE DOCTOR THAT'S OVER THE HEALTH FACILITY. THESE ARE BALANCES WE JUST RECENTLY GOT. THE BALANCE IS $12,999 FOR APRIL 20 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 20TH. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THE

MOMENT. >> IS THAT FROM 2020 TO 2021?

>> APRIL 20 TO SEPTEMBER 2020. IT'S ONLY THE LAST FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY.

>> THEY'RE JUST OLD. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE OVERTIME?

>> THIS IS NO OVERTIME, THIS IS FOR THE DOCTOR.

>> THIS IS FOR THE HEALTH AUTHORITY.

>> THE HEALTH AUTHORITY, THERE'S NO OVERTIME FOR THIS.

WE SHARE HIS COSTS. >> JUST MAKING SURE.

>> SO HE HASN'T BEEN PAID FOR 2020? I'M SORRY, WE HAVE NOT PAID THE CITY FOR 2020 AND THIS RECTIFIES

THAT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> FROM APRIL 20 OF SEPTEMBER 20?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> JUST AN OVERSIGHT?

>> THEY JUST BILLED US. >> WE'VE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE GETTING THIS INFORMATION FROM THE CITY.

LAST TIME WE GOT SOME INVOICES FROM THEM FOR SEVERAL MONTHS BACK THAT THEY WERE DELAYED ON HOW THEY WERE WORKING ON THE BALANCES. AND THEY DECIDED THEY WERE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THE COSTS BECAUSE OF HOW COVID RELATED.

WHEN THEY FINALLY GOT ALL OF THEIR MONEY, THEY TOOK TIME TO GIVE IT TO US, AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, WE WEREN'T QUALIFIED ON OUR SIDE. IT WAS JUST DELAYS ON GETTING

THE INFORMATION FROM THEM. >> AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INCLUDE

OVERTIME I'M FINE. >> IT DOES NOT INCLUDE OVERTIME.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> HOW ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF THANKS FOR THIS DOCTOR. THE ONLY INFECTIOUS DISEASE.

>> WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS, JUDGE?

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>> IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

>> THIS IS A BILL, COME ON. WE'VE ALL THANKED THE DOCTORS.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, HE DOESN'T FEEL IT.

>> WE'VE ALL THANKED THE DOCTORS, WE LOVE THE DOCTORS.

THIS IS A BILL. >> WELL IT SEEMS THAT YOU'RE OBSESSED WITH OVERTIME. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE LIKE HE WOULD

HAVE HAD IT. >> JUST FINDING OUT WHY WE

DIDN'T PAY THE POOR MAN. >> YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO DALE.

THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR ACT TOGETHER.

>> YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOCTOR.

I'M NOT PAYING FOR PEOPLE'S OVERTIME.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. >> THERE'S NO OVERTIME WITH A

DOCTOR WHO SAVES LIVES. >> I ASKED A QUESTION AND THEN I MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. AND THEN YOU MADE AN ISSUE OF IT. I DON'T KNOW WHY.

>> I LOVE IT, FINALLY CHANNEL SIX GOT ANIMATED.

THANKS FOR STANDING UP. YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOREVER.

HE FINALLY GAVE YOU SOMETHING, A LITTLE MORSEL.

>> THERE'S PLENTY COMING I'M SURE.

>> NO, SIR. THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.

>> WHAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE? >> ANYWAY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE CITY GAVE US THE INVOICE FINALLY AND NOW IT'S COMING BEFORE YOU. THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> I'VE ALREADY MADE THAT MOTION.

>> A SECOND? GONZALES IS THE SECOND.

OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. >> OKAY.

STEVE IS ONLINE. WE JUST APPROVED THAT AND YOU WILL HAVE THOSE DOLLARS FORTHCOMING TO THE CITY.

YOU CAN GIVE THEM THAT UPDATE. >> COMPLAIN EARLIER SO YOU CAN

GET YOUR MONEY. >> DID YOU HEAR THAT? HE SAID NEXT TIME COMPLAIN EARLIER.

I WOULD SAY NEXT TIME INVOICE CORRECTLY.

>> I'M SURE THE CITY PAYS ON A REGULAR BASIS, THEY JUST DIDN'T

BILL US. >> RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THEY DIDN'T BILL US.

>> IT'S PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN PAID.

>> NO, I'M SAYING WE DON'T KNOW. >> HE'S BEEN PAID A LONG TIME AGO, THEY JUST HAVEN'T BILLED US FOR IT.

THIS IS A TECHNICAL MATTER. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE

DOCTOR. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT, I'LL HAVE

[1. Discuss and consider adding a deputy constable position to Department Constable Pct 1 office.]

TO ASK. WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

NUMBER ONE ON HUMAN RESOURCES IS ADDING A DEPUTY CONSTABLE POSITION TO DEPARTMENT CONSTABLE PRECINCT 1.

>> THAT'S MINE, RIGHT? >> THAT'S YOURS, COMMISSIONER.

IS THE CONSTABLE GOING TO COME OR IS HE ONLINE?

>> NO. >> OKAY.

>> GO AHEAD AND TABLE IT. >> ALL RIGHT TABLE TO

JANUARY 5TH. >> YEAH.

>> MOTION? >> I'LL TABLE IT UNTIL JANUARY.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

[4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session. ]

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> OKAY, I'M GETTING PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THIS TIME.

WE DO SO WITH AUTHORIZATION OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT CHAPTER 551 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

UNDER THIS PARTICULAR CODE, THE PRESIDING OFFICER, MYSELF, IS PUBLICLY ANNOUNCING THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY INCLUDING MATTERS RELATED TO LITIGATION, DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, PROSPECTIVE GIFTS, PERSONNEL MATTERS, INCLUDING TERMINATION, COUNTY ADVISORY BODIES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. UPON COMPLETION OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY IN OPEN SESSION TAKE SUCH ACTION AS APPROPRIATE ON ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND GOSH DOGGIT, I FORGOT ONE THING.

I CAN READ IT HERE IN A MINUTE, I'LL READ IT WHEN WE COME INTO OPEN SESSION. JUST FOR THE RECORD I HAVE I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE MAYOR WRIGHT ALSO HAD PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HE WANTED IN THE RECORD.

SO I'LL GET THAT BACK ON THE RECORD AFTER WE COME BACK IN.

AND I'LL SHARE IT WITH ALL OF YOU HERE SHORTLY.

SO AT THIS TIME AS I SAID WE WILL COME BACK IN TO OPEN SESSION AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION IS OVER AND TAKE ANY ACTION AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND DEEM NECESSARY.

THE TIME FOR THE CLERK IS 4:31 P.M. AND I'LL GAVEL US OUT

AND TAKE US >>> IT'S 6:35 P.M. AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK ON THE RECORD.

WE HAVE A FEW MOTIONS COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THE FIRST RELATES TO CASE 201863587. IT'S THE MASTER CASE VERSUS THE TEXAS OPIOID LITIGATION. ACTUALLY FORGIVE ME, WE DECIDED THERE IS NO ACTION THERE. OKAY.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT SO MUCH, BUT NO ACTION THERE.

[07:30:06]

AND THEN LET'S SEE, BEFORE I GET INTO HEALTH WAS THERE ANY OTHER ACTION, JENNY, ANY OTHER MOTIONS? GOT IT, WITH REGARDS TO THE GAME ROOM REGULATIONS, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING A DIRECTIVE TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING THOSE REGULATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US AND ALSO THE ONES THAT WE CREATED AND DRAFTED IN 2019?

>> THAT ABOUT SUMS IT UP.

>>> I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO PAUSE.

THE TIME IS 6:36 P.M. WE WILL ASK THE DEPUTY TO CALL PUBLIC WORKS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK ON THE RECORD.

OKAY. FIRE ALARM, WE RETIRED.

THE TWO STEVES ONLINE, WE'RE ALL FINE.

THERE'S NO FIRE IN THAT COURTHOUSE. SO WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE FIRE IN OUR HEARTS, BUT THERE'S NO FIRE IN THE COURTHOUSE. SO WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO

[24. Discuss and consider payment of Health District employee overtime.]

RECOGNIZE. ONE IS ITEM 24. WE DIDN'T DEAL WITH IT AND DALE'S ASKED US TO TABLE IT. HE SAYS HE CAN BRING IT BACK. HE'S GETTING SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU. SO IF YOU ALL WOULD ENTERTAIN A TABLE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT MO

MOTION. >> SO MOVED.

[25. Discuss and consider approval of any accrued overtime hours pursuant to County policy for essential exempt employees during declared disasters as it relates to COVID-19, and/or storm preparedness and response; severe weather preparedness and response.]

>> SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

>> AYE. >> 25, IT'S ON HERE AS A REPEAT.

BUT THERE'S NO ACTION AT ALL. SO WE'LL JUST -- NOTHING TO DO THERE. IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO TABLE IT, WE CAN. BUT WE CAN JUST SAY THAT THERE'S NO ACTION FOR THE COURT'S RECORD. AND THEN MOVE ON. OKAY. AND THEN YOU KNOW, FOR THE CLERK, WOULD YOU REMIND ME.

HAD WE GOTTEN FAR ENOUGH TO WHERE WE WERE DIRECTING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THE GAME ROOM PIECE OR NOT? OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND TIME AND SAY WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE EXECUTIVE ITEM REGARDING GAME ROOMS THAT WE DIRECT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY NOT ONLY TO REVIEW THE BILL REGULATIONS PRESENTED TODAY IN COURT. BUT ALSO GET THE REGULATIONS THAT WE DRAFTED IN 2019 AND VISIT WITH THE SHERIFF AND ASK HIM WHENEVER HE FEELS HE'S READY IN JANUARY. WE HAVE TWO COURTS IN JANUARY. MAYBE THE FIFTH IS A LITTLE TOO EARLY. MAYBE THE 26TH IS MORE APPROPRIATE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE TIME INVOLVED WITH THE HOLIDAYS. IF HE COULD BRING THAT FORTH AND FOR OUR THOUGHTS AND CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT.

>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> JENNY, ON THE ITEM IN EXECUTIVE SESSION HAVING TO DO WITH LAN, THERE'S A MOTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE TO HAVE THOSE BILLS BE PAID AS PRESENTED. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> TO THE MOTION, RIGHT?

>> YES, FOR GIVE ME. THE SECOND PART OF THE MOTION IS THAT WE CAN JUST SAY THIS VERBALLY. BUT I KNOW JENNY WILL HELP US ARTICULATE IT IN WRITING THAT LAN, IF THEY WOULD PLEASE, YOU KNOW, UPDATE AN ORG CHART OR ANY TYPE OF COMMUNICATION WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO IF SOMEBODY CHANGES POSITION, THAT THEY GIVE THAT NOTICE TO PUBLIC WORKS AND TO THE AUDITORS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN CORRESPOND THE INVOICES WITH THE TITLES OF THE PEOPLE. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING. IT SERVES A GOOD PURPOSE FOR TODAY, BUT ALSO IT SERVES A GOOD PURPOSE FOR TOMORROW. IN CASE THERE SHOULD BE ANY CHANGES IN PERSONNEL OR TITLES AND JOB DESCRIPTIONS. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MATAS. WOULD YOU RENEW BASED ON MY ADD

ON. >> YES.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFYING BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. >> I THINK NOW THAT CLEARS UP

[23. Discuss and consider options available for the provision of public health services for residents of Nueces County; discuss and consider adoption of transition plan, to include addressing health services: STD/HIV, immunizations, environmental inspections, laboratory, public health preparedness, 1115 waiver projects.]

EVERYTHING. AND NOW I'M GOING TO GO BACK, BELINDA, TO THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS THE HEALTH DISTRICT, WHICH IS 23. BEFORE I DO THAT, IS THERE ANY CLEAN UP AT ALL ON THE AGENDA?

>> SO JUDGE, JUST THAT PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU WANTED TO

INCLUDE IN TO THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOSH. THAT

IS WHY -- >> YOU COULD DO THAT AS PART OF

THIS AGENDA ITEM IF YOU WANTED. >> I'LL DO IT. PERFECT. I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT, IS WHAT COMMISSIONER

[07:35:06]

GESNY IS SAYING. JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, ATTENDEES, NO ONE IN MY OFFICE OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH IN DISTRICT 2 HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION OR ANY INFORMATION BY OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER OR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IN ITS MOVE TO DISSOLVE THE CITY HEALTH DISTRICT AND HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT US. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED FOR OUR IN PUT OR OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM OUR RESIDENTS.

BECAUSE OF THIS LACK OF COMMUNICATION, I THINK IT'S ONLY RIGHT THAT I BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE AND GET THE INPUT BEFORE A VOTE IS TAKEN WITHOUT OUR COMMISSIONERS KNOWING THE THOUGHTS OF THE PEOPLE -- I'M SORRY, WITHOUT OUR COMMISSIONER KNOWING THE THOUGHTS OF THE PEOPLE. I THINK IT'S OF INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT JUDGE CANALES RECEIVE THE SUPPORT IN THE SIXTH MONTH DELAY IN THE DISSOLVEMENT THAT THE COUNTY HAS A WELL TRANSITIONED PLAN NOT ONE BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI TO AVOID DISRUPTIONS TO AVAILABLE HEALTH SERVICES, AND TO HAVE TIME TO CLARIFY JUST WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T POSSIBLE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT. THANK YOU, TODD WRIGHT, MAYOR, CITY OF PETRONILLA. THIS AGENDA ITEM HAS HAD DISCUSSION WITH LEGAL QUESTIONS. AND IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE REPEAT SOME OF THOSE LEGAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT -- OR THE LEGAL DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHAT WAS BEING CONTEMPLATED AND WHY THESE DECISIONS WERE BEING MADE. AND SO IN THAT THIS ITEM IS CALLED -- IT ALSO SAYS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF A TRANSITION PLAN TO ADDRESS HEALTH SERVICES, AND IT LISTS THOSE HEALTH SERVICES. THEY'RE NOT ALL OF THEM BUT IT LISTS SOME OF THEM. IMMUNEZATION, ENVIRONMENTAL INSPECTIONS, PUBLIC HEALTH PREPARENESS, AND THE 13 WAIVER. I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO START. BUT I'M GOING TO BEGIN BY ASKING STEVE ARAGON TO UNMUTE, AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WOULD YOU GIVE A VERY HIGH LEVEL BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE TO US AS YOUR LEGAL OPINION FOR THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING TO US HERE THIS EVENING. AND OURSELVES, AGAIN.