[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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          IF THEY ARE ON. IF I CAN GET PASTOR JOE GARZA TO DO ARE IN VACATION IF YOU'LL CONTINUE STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE AS 
          WELL, THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. LET IS PRAY. 
          IN THE NAME OF JESUS WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSINGS AND TODAY WE ASK FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS PLACE. WE ASK PIECE THAT SURPASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING, TO GUARD OUR HEARTS AND MINDS. I PRAY YOU WILL FILL THIS COURT TODAY WITH YOUR PRESENCE. I ASK YOU WOULD ORDER EVERY DECISION AND EVERY CONVERSATION THAT IS HAD AND I PRAY THEY WILL BE A SUPERNATURAL DIRECTION OVER ANY OFFICIAL OF THIS COURT. I PRAY YOUR BLESSING OVER THEM. I PRAY YOU GIVE PEACE OF MIND AND YOUR WORD SAYS YOU PROTECT ALL THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO US. 
          TODAY I PRAY YOU PERFECT ALL THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO THEM EVEN IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES AS THEY HAVE DEDICATED TO SERVE THIS COUNTY. I ASK THAT YOU WATCH OVER EVERYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO THEM. WE PRAY YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS PLACE 
          >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          >> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. 
          >> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. 
          >> I'M THINKING IF WE AUCTION OFF COMMISSIONER ONCOLOGIST TY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE UP A LOT OF IT. 
          >> EVERYBODY LOOKS NICE TODAY. IT IS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER THE SECOND . SORRY. I'M JUMPING AHEAD. WE HAVE ALL COMMISSIONERS PRESENT. IT IS 9:05. WE ARE AT 9:01 LEOPARD STREET IN THE COURT ROOM AND I CERTIFY A QUORUM IS PRESENT AND I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. MOVING ON TO ITEM D, ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS OF DISCLOSURE , CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ? IF 
          [1.  In recognition of National 4-H Week - October 6-12, 2024.]
YOU DON'T ANNOUNCE NOW IF SOMETHING COMES UP DURING THE MEETING YOU CAN DISCLOSE AT THAT TIME AS WELL. THERE BEING NONE I WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM E, ADOPT THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTIONS. E1 IS IN RECOGNITION OF NATIONAL 4-H WEEK OCTOBER 6 THROUGH THE 12TH. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME GREEN JACKETS HERE. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU GUYS. AWESOME. IT LOOKS VERY GOOD. MISS PAYTON IS GOING TO READ. 
          >> WHEREAS THE NUECES COUNTY COURT IS PROUD TO HONOR THE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OF THE TEXAS A&M EXTENSION SERVICE FOR 116 YEARS OF PROVIDING EXPERIENCE BASED EDUCATION TO YOUTH THROUGHOUT THE LONE STAR STATE AND WHEREAS THIS ADMIRABLE PROGRAM THAT SEEKS TO PROVIDE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ALL YOUTH HELPS YOUNG TEXANS TO ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE, DEVELOP LIFE SKILLS AND FORM ATTITUDES TO ENABLE TO BECOME SELF-DIRECTED PRODUCTIVE AND CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS TO OUR SOCIETY. WHEREAS THROUGHOUT ITS PROUD HISTORY THE 4-H PROGRAM DEVELOP POSITIVE ROLE MODELS FOR COUNTLESS TEXANS THERE ITS INITIATIVE AND INSPIRING PROGRAMS CONTINUES TO BUILD CHARACTER AND INSTILL VALUES THAT MADE OUR STATE STRONG. 
          THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IN NUECES COUNTY DESIGNATES OCTOBER 6 THROUGH 1220 24 AS NATIONAL 4-H WEEK IN NUECES COUNTY AND COMMENCE THE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OF TEXAS A& M EXTENSION SERVICE AND MANY MEN AND WOMEN WHO MADE THE PROGRAM A SUCCESS DULY ADOPTED BY THE VOTE OF COMMISSIONERS COURT ON THE SECOND DAY OF OCTOBER 2024. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY 
          OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES . >> YES. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK 
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YOU FOR HAVING US. I AM YELLS NEW 4-H AGENT IN NUECES COUNTY. 
          I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE. WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP OF YOUNG KIDS. THEY ARE THE CREAM OF THE CROP, THE LEADERS OF OUR COUNTY . THEY PROUDLY WEAR THESE GREEN JACKETS BECAUSE WE LIKE TO BE SEEN AT ALL OF OUR EVENTS THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN AND WE REALLY INVOLVE THEM WITHIN THE COUNTY AND COMMUNITY. I HANDED OUT SOME ONE PAGE OF OUR SUMMARY AND I WON'T GO INTO DEPTH ON READING IT AT LEAST BUT LAST YEAR WE HAD 700 64H CLUB MEMBERS AND 93 VOLUNTEERS. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN WE ARE NUMBER THREE IN THE STATE OF COURSE BEHIND FORT WORTH AND HOUSTON , BUT WE HOPE TO SEE THESE NUMBERS RISE AND THE QUALITY OF THE PROGRAM RISE TO. AS FAR AS PROJECT INVOLVEMENT I WILL READ OFF THE TOP ONES. WE HAD 116 YOUTH ENROLLED AND SEVEN VOLUNTEERS. SPORTS, 149 YOUTH ENROLLED IN 46 VOLUNTEERS. AT OUR SHOTGUN SPORTS OVER THE SUMMER NUECES COUNTY WAS TEXAS STATE CHAMPION SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO HOST THAT AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND LET SOME OF OUR AMBASSADORS TALK. WE HAVE THREE OF THEM HERE. THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE NUECES 4-H COUNTY COUNSEL AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT LEAD THE 
          COUNTY ALONGSIDE MYSELF. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS LEILA AND I'M HONORED TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF NUECES COUNTY FOR EACH. FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS FOR H PROVIDED ME WITH OPPORTUNITIES AS BOTH A LEADER AND ADVOCATE FOR AGRICULTURE. I'M CURRENTLY SERVING AS TEEN MISS UNITED STATES AGRICULTURE REPRESENTING NUECES COUNTY, TEXAS ON A STATE LEVEL. FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS I HAVE ALSO HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING A NUECES COUNTY 4-H AMBASSADOR TO PROMOTE THE VALUES OF 4-H AND ENGAGE WITH OUR COMMUNITY. I HAVE DEVELOPED ESSENTIAL SKILLS IN LEADERSHIP AND RESPONSIBILITY. THESE EXPERIENCES HAVE SHAPED MY UNDERSTANDING OF AGRICULTURE AND REINFORCED IMPORTANCE OF HARD WORK AND COMMUNITY SERVICE. AS AN ADVOCATE I STRIVE TO INSPIRE OTHERS TO GET INVOLVED AND RECOGNIZE THE ROLE IT PLAYS IN OUR LIVES. I WANT TO SINCERELY THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT YOU'VE SHOWN TO NUECES COUNTY 4-H. YOUR INVESTMENT ALLOWS YOU LIKE ME TO PURSUE OUR PASSION, GROW INTO LEADERS AND MAKE MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY. I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING MY JOURNEY IN AGRICULTURE KNOWING WE HAVE YOUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT BEHIND US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND COMMITMENT TO THE FUTURE OF 
          NUECES COUNTY YOUTH. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          >> IN MORNING. MY NAME IS COOPER GREEN AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING 4-H TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. IT'S PROVIDED ME WITH NUMEROUS AREAS FOR GROWTH IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS. FROM HARD WORK AND PATIENCE FROM LONG HOURS AND A BARN TO MAKING SAFE DECISIONS IN SPORTS. TO SPEAKING IN FRONT OF BOTH LARGE AND SMALL CROWDS TO BUILDING LASTING FRIENDSHIPS WITH LIKE-MINDED YOUTH ACROSS THE STATE. 4-H HAS GIVEN ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHALLENGE MYSELF IN MANY AREAS . THE EXPERIENCES I'VE HAD LIKE SERVING AS AN AMBASSADOR AND COUNCIL OFFICER HAVE OPENED DOORS FOR ME TO SERVE AS A LIVESTOCK AMBASSADOR AND SPORTS AMBASSADOR. I AM PROUD TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY THAT HELP ME GROW INTO THE LEADER I AM TODAY AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO INSPIRE THE YOUTH TO GET INVOLVED IN 4H SO THEY CAN FIND THEIR PASSION AND CHALLENGE THEMSELVES TO BECOME BETTER LEADERS . FOR H IS ABOUT DEVELOPING OUR SKILLS WHICH IS WHITE OUR MOTTO IS TO MAKE THE BEST BETTER. THE APOSTLE WRITES LET THE THIEF NO LONGER BUT RATHER LET HIM LABOR DOING HONEST WORK WITH HIS OWN HANDS SO HE MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH ANYONE IN NEED. WE ARE TAUGHT TO DO HONEST WORK WITH OUR HEAD, HEART, HANDS AND HEALTH. TO THE SKILLS WE LEARNED IN OUR PROJECTS WE ARE BETTER PREPARED TO REACH TO OTHERS IN NEED. WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO BE THOSE PEOPLE FOR NUECES COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS PROGRAM. 
          >> HELLO. I'M PROBABLY REPRESENTING 4H IN NUECES 
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COUNTY . BEFORE I GET TO MY SPEECH I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT MYSELF. I AM A JUNIOR AND I'M THE SECOND VICE PRESIDENT ON COUNTY COUNSEL. GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS TIME TO TELL YOU HOW 4H IMPACTED MY LIFE. FROM THE MOMENT I JOINED THE CLUB HAS BEEN MORE THAN JUST A CLUB. IT'S BEEN A TRANSFORMATION JOURNEY THAT HELP SHAPE MY CHARACTER, SKILLS AND ASPIRATIONS THROUGH LIFE. THROUGH 4H I'VE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE AND DIVERSE PROJECTS TAUGHT ME INVALUABLE LIFE SKILLS WHETHER IT'S RAISING LIVESTOCK, PARTICIPATING IN COMMUNITY SERVICE OR DEVELOPING LEADERSHIP SKILLS . EACH CONTRIBUTED TO MY PERSONAL GROWTH. I WENT IMPORTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND HARD WORK THROUGH CARING FOR ANIMALS AND MANAGING PROJECTS FROM START TO FINISH. THESE HAVE INSTILLED ME WITH STRONG WORK ETHIC AND THE SENSE OF ACCOUNTABILITY. 4-H PROVIDED A PLATFORM FOR ME TO DEVELOP MY LEADERSHIP SKILLS BY TAKING A ROLE IN CLUB OFFICERS AND PROJECT LEADERS I HAVE HONED MY ABILITY TO ORGANIZE MOTIVATE AND LEAD OTHERS. THESE HAVE NOT ONLY BOOSTED MY CONFIDENCE BUT PREPARED ME FOR THE FUTURE CHALLENGES BOTH ACADEMICALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY. LASTLY IT'S FOSTERED A COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO WORK ALONGSIDE OF OTHERS WHO SHARE SIMILAR VALUES AND INTERESTS CRATING LASTING FRIENDSHIPS AND SUPPORTIVE NETWORKS. THE SENSE OF CAMARADERIE AND TEAMWORK WITHIN HAS TAUGHT ME THE VALUE OF COLLABORATION AND IMPORTANCE OF GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. BEING THE CORNERSTONE OF MY LIFE FOR H SHAPED ME INTO A COMMUNITY ORIENTED INDIVIDUAL AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THESE EXPERIENCE IT HAS PROVIDED ME. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES AND I AM EXCITED TO CONTINUE MY JOURNEY AS I HAVE TWO YEARS LEFT. KNOWING I WILL CONTINUE TO BE POSITIVELY INFLUENCED MY LIFE IN COUNTLESS WAYS FOR THAT I CAN'T THANK ENOUGH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> HEART OF MY JOB IS HELPING WITH PUBLIC SPEAKING AND COACHING BUT YOU CAN TELL THEY PROBABLY TEACH ME A THING OR TWO. THESE YOUTH RIGHT HERE ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT WILL BE LEADERS IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES, COUNTY, STATE AND NATION. THAT IS THE POINT OF 4-H TO CREATE THESE LEADERS AND EMBODY THAT INTO THEIR CHARACTER. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO AT THE EXTENSION OFFICE PLEASE LET US KNOW. I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOODIES FOR Y'ALL. THEY LOOK REALLY GOOD. IT WAS HARD NOT TO EAT THEM ON THE WAY UP. WE APPRECIATE IT. PLEASE GIVE US A 
          CALL IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          YOU ARE CORRECT, THESE ARE THE FUTURE LEADERS OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND STATE AND COUNTRY. SEVERAL OF OUR MEMBERS AND STAFF GREW UP THROUGH THIS AND WORE GREEN JACKETS AS WELL. 
          WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE YOU TODAY AND TO RECOGNIZE YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT SPEECH. CAN WE GET ALL THE GREEN JACKETS UP HERE WHERE WE CAN DO A PICTURE? I'M REALLY OFF TODAY. I'M HAVING A DAY. 
          [2.  Recognizing Tuloso-Midway Warriors' Celeste Godinez for her outstanding achievements in powerlifting]
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          >> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, RECOGNIZING TULOSO MIDWAY WARRIORS. CELESTE GOD AND AS FOR HER OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENTS IN POWERLIFTING. THERE THEY COME. HOW DO YOU SAY 
          IT? SORRY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS COURT RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING TULOSO MIDWAY WARRIORS CELESTE GODINEZ FOR HER OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENTS IN POWERLIFTING . 
          WHEREAS CELESTE GODINEZ HAS BEEN POWERLIFTING SINCE THE AGE OF NINE SHE HAS ALSO BEEN ON TEAM USA FOR BOTH POWERLIFTING AND WEIGHTLIFTING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. AFTER HER IMPRESSIVE MEET AT THE ARNOLD SPORTS FESTIVAL HOSTED IN COLUMBUS, OHIO SHE QUALIFIED TO COMPETE FOR TEAM USA. CELESTE GODINEZ RECENTLY REPRESENTED TEAM USA AND A POWERLIFTING COMPETITION WHERE SHE WON FIRST PLACE AT THE INTERNATIONAL POWERLIFTING FEDERATION WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MEET IN MALTA. AT THIS COMPETITION SHE WAS ABLE TO LIFT A TOTAL OF 960 POUNDS IN THREE ATTEMPTS. SHE SQUATTED 385 POUNDS, AND PRESSED 225 POUNDS AND DAD LIFTED 350 POUNDS. CELESTE GODINEZ IS KNOWN FOR HER IMPRESSIVE LIFTING BUT ALSO KNOWN FOR HER UNIQUE POWERLIFTING TECHNIQUE. WHEREAS CELESTE GODINEZ IS CURRENTLY A JUNIOR AT TULOSO MIDWAY HIGH SCHOOL WHERE SHE IS PARTICIPATING IN MULTIPLE SPORTS AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE NUECES COUNTY COURT THAT THE COURT HEREBY RECOGNIZES CELESTE GODINEZ FOR DEDICATION AS A SUCCESSFUL TULOSO MIDWAY HIGH SCHOOL WARRIOR STUDENT ATHLETE . 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THE MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU. COACH KYLE I THINK YOU WILL SAY A FEW 
          WORDS? >> SHE'S KIND OF NERVOUS. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS TIME OUT OF YOUR SCHEDULE TO RECOGNIZE THE LAST. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HARD WORK SHE PUTS IN ON A DAILY BASIS TO DO WHAT SHE DOES. SHE IS VERY INVOLVED AT TULOSO MIDWAY BOTH ACADEMICALLY AND ATHLETICALLY. 
          SHE'S A MEMBER OF THE FFA AND A MEMBER OF THE STUDENT COUNCIL. THIS YEAR SHE STARTED DOING CROSS COUNTRY AND TRACK. 
          SHE'S ALSO ON THE CHEERLEADING SQUAD AND DOES POWERLIFTING. 
          CELESTE IS A TWO-TIME STATE QUALIFIER FOR POWERLIFTING. SHE MISSED HER FIRST YEAR BECAUSE SHE GOT INVITED TO THE ARNOLD CLASSIC AND LIFTED THAT YEAR. SHE WON SILVER LAST YEAR AND ALSO GOT THE STATE BENCH RECORD AT 305 LAST YEAR. SHE IS A GREAT AMBASSADOR AND HAS MANY COACHES. IF ANY TAKE FULL CREDIT FOR WHAT CELESTE DOES THEY ARE NOT TELLING YOU THE FULL TRUTH BECAUSE SHE IS A VERY DETERMINED PERSON AND VERY INVOLVED IN HER LIFTING. SHE TAKES IT ALMOST TO AN EXTREME ON WHAT SHE DOES IN HER WEIGHTLIFTING. YOU CAN'T FIND A BETTER STUDENT ATHLETE THAT WORKS AS HARD AS SHE DOES. 
          NOTHING BUT CONGRATULATIONS TO CELESTE. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO BELIEVED IN ME AND HELPED ME GET TO WHERE I AM NOW. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT 
          YOU. >> VERY PROUD TO MEET YOU AND 
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HONORED FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. THAT IS OUTSTANDING. 
          GREAT JOB. WE WOULD LOVE TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU AS WELL. 
          [3.  Discuss and consider adopting a proclamation designating Nueces County as StormReady certified by the National Weather Service.]
          >> DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING A PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING NUECES COUNTY AS STORMREADY CERTIFIED BY THE 
          NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. >> RECOGNIZING NUECES COUNTY AS STORMREADY. AS EACH YEAR BRINGS A PROBABILITY OF SEVERE WEATHER TO NUECES COUNTY AND WHEREAS LARGE PORTIONS OF NUECES COUNTY CAN BE DEVASTATED BY HURRICANES, TROPICAL STORMS, FLOODING, WINTER STORMS, WILDLAND FOREIGNERS AND OTHER NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DESIGNED THE PROGRAM TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL OF DISASTERS WEALTH RELATED COMPLICATIONS AND STRENGTHENS EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS AND WHEREAS NUECES COUNTY THROUGH THE WORK OF ITS OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT HAS MET THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE REQUIREMENTS TO BE DESIGNATED A STORMREADY COUNTY AND WHEREAS THE NUECES COUNTY RESIDENTS WILL BE BETTER PREPARED KNOWING THEY HAVE THE BEST POSSIBLE CHANCE OF BEING WARNED BEFORE A WEATHER DISASTER STRIKES. THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY THAT THE NUECES COUNTY JUDGE AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAIM NUECES COUNTY STORMREADY DULY ADOPTED BY VOTE OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT HERE AT NUECES COUNTY ON THE SECOND DAY OF OCTOBER 2024. 
          >> MAKE A MOTION TO PASS. EMOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION PASSES. LET ME STATE ALSO THIS IS A RECERTIFICATION. WE'VE HELD THIS FOR A WHILE. I BELIEVE COREY WILL SPEAK TO US ABOUT THIS? WE LIVE ON THE COAST LINE, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND OUR 
          COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          I'M THE WARNING COORDINATION METEOROLOGIST AT THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE. NUECES COUNTY IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY COASTAL COUNTY ON THE BAND THAT IS STORMREADY. WE HAVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY , 1600 COUNTIES BUT LOCALLY THE ONLY ONE. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE WORK WITH THEM NONSTOP. ANY STORMS COMING IN WE ARE TALKING AND GIVING BRIEFINGS TRYING TO HELP THEM AND BE PREPARED SO THEY HAVE PLANS IN PLACE FOR ANY DISASTER THAT MIGHT HAPPEN WHETHER IT BE FOR TORNADOES OR HURRICANES OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. BEING STORMREADY IS ONE OF OUR GOALS TO GET THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY READY ACROSS THE REGION RECOVER. THAT INCLUDES THE COUNTIES AND CITIES AND BEING THE ONLY COUNTY IS CERTAINLY A SHINING LIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY LOCALLY AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET OTHERS ON BOARD TO FOLLOW THE LEAD OF NUECES COUNTY. 
          IT'S A GOOD START AND THIS IS A RENEWAL AND EVERY FOUR YEARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND VERIFY THE PLANS AND CONTACTS AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE AND WE FINISHED THAT EARLIER THIS YEAR. WE HAVE A STORMREADY SIGN THAT WILL BE POSTED SOMEWHERE IN THE COURTHOUSE. THANKS TO ALL THE HARD WORK OF EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY ON THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SIDE. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH OUR STAFF. KUDOS TO OUR STAFF AS WELL FOR GETTING THAT DONE. WE ARE HONORED AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO POST THAT SIGN PLAQUE OR WHATEVER IT IS IN THERE. 
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RIGHT THERE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TELLING ME SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK. WE ARE VERY HONORED AND APPRECIATE YOUR WORK WITH OUR TEAMS AND WE HOPE EVERYONE FOLLOWS SUIT. THANK YOU. THANK 
          YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WANTED TO REITERATE WITH THE RECENT STORM IT'S A LITTLE DISHEARTENING TO HEAR WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTY STORMREADY. I DON'T THINK WE BLOW THROUGH THAT AND I DON'T MEAN THAT AS A PUN WITH ALL THE FOLKS GOING THROUGH THIS IN GEORGIA AND FLORIDA CERTAINLY OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH THEM RIGHT NOW BUT THIS I THINK IS A BIG DEAL. 
          THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER FEEL LIKE YOU ARE READY FOR A STORM. IT MIGHT BE AN OXYMORON. THANK YOU. THIS IS GREAT TO HEAR THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORKING WITH US AND STAFF DO A GREAT JOB AT GETTING THAT READY AND BEING THE ONLY COUNTY, AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF RIDICULOUS THAT SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO REACH OUT TO HELP YOU PLEASE IN THE SNOW . WE ALL REPRESENT THE COAST BUT I REPRESENT TO SPECIFICALLY . IT IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO MY PRECINCT AND FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GET THESE FOLKS ON BOARD LET US KNOW BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING AND NOT SOMETHING WE GLOSS OVER. THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH THAT. THIS IS A BIG DEAL AND WE NEED TO DO MORE TRAINING. I DON'T THINK WE WAIT EVERY FOUR YEARS. IF YOU WANT TO BRING SOMETHING INTO THE COURT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP FOR US THAT'S HELPFUL I KNOW I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU 
          FOR THIS. >> THANK YOU. CAN WE GET YOU TO DO A PHOTO WITH US AS WELL? 
          [F. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.]
          >> WE ARE GOING TO GOING TO ITEM F, PUBLIC COMMENT. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COUPLE ON THE LINE THAT WANT TO COMMENT DURING THIS PERIOD AFTER I FINISH THERE'S ONLY THREE ON THIS LIST IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR VIRTUAL HAND I WILL CALL UPON YOU IN JUST A MOMENT. NUMBER ONE WE HAVE HERE IS THOMAS HILL. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES . PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE CANNOT COMMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          >> MY NAME IS THOMAS HILL. I'M A RESIDENT OF 102 BEACH VIEW DRIVE ON THE ISLAND AND PRECINCT 19. I AM COMMENTING -- DID I MISS ANYTHING? OKAY. I'M TRYING TO COMMENT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM A1 COMPENSATION ON AUTHORIZED ACTIONS TO LIFT A C&D. I WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT THERE IS ONE KEY DOCUMENT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY PAGE 28 OF THE APPLICATION DEALING WITH DOING MITIGATION AND SECTION VIEW. 
          THIS ILLUSTRATES THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT TO LEVEL AS MUCH 
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AS THEY CAN. THERE IS NO INTENT TO REBUILD THE DUNES. IT'S NOT BUILDING A DUNE, IT'S LEVELING THEM FOR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OF POOL LAWN PARKING. YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY APPLY. IT GOES FLAT ONCE IT REACHES 10 FEET OF ELEVATION AND IT IS ALL SPREAD OUT. I BUILT A DUNE IN 2008 WITH URBAN ENGINEERING AND HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL BEACH MANAGEMENT ADVISORY MEETINGS AND LISTENING TO PRESENTATION ON DUNE REQUIREMENTS, FILED FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS WITH NUECES COUNTY AND THE GL OH. MY COMMENT IS YOU NEED MORE THAN THE ALLEGED DISCUSSION WITH T.L.O. YOU CAN ONLY RELY ON APRIL 19TH 2023 MEETING ON THE SCOPE OF THE DAMAGE WAS DETERMINED NO LONGER ALLEGED INCLUDING THE CITY. THAT'S WHY I RELY ON THAT MEETING. WHERE IS THE WRITTEN COMMUNICATION FROM THE GL OH S.A.N.E. THIS IS THE BEST DESIGN? WHY WAS THE COMMITTEE NOT UPDATED ON THESE MEETINGS THAT WERE OCCURRING IN APRIL OF 24 AND FORCE-FED AN ANSWER IN JULY 17TH OF THIS YEAR? THREE MONTHS LATER. I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. THERE IS NO WRITTEN SUPPORT FROM THE GL OH THIS IS THE BEST TO CORRECT THE EXTENSIVE DAMAGE DONE TO THE DUNES. JUST ALLEGED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AND MR. CROSS. I WILL GET TO MY PROBLEM IN ANOTHER MINUTE. THEY CHOOSE WHEN THEY WANT TO USE FLAT IN THE DUNES, NOT THE BEST SOLUTION. THE SEPTEMBER 17 2024 GLO LETTER HAS NO COMMENT ON DESIGN. IT HAS 15 POINTS. EIGHT OF THEM DO IT RIGHT SINCE HE DID IT SO BAD THE FIRST TIME. IF NOT WE WILL EXERCISE ENFORCEMENT. NEED A CITY PERMIT, PROOF OF COMPLIANCE BY THE COUNTY, REQUIRED NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORS. SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE OF THESE ACTIVITIES. IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE GLO TO ASK FOR WRITTEN STATEMENT ON WHAT WOULD BE BEST PRACTICE GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE SITUATION. 
          THERE ARE 12 SITES IN THE GLO LETTER TO SUPPORT THE REQUIREMENTS . IN THE AUGUST 15TH 2024 MEMO HE REFERENCES THE NUECES COUNTY BEACH MANAGEMENT PLAN , THE DUNE PROTECTION ACT AND THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATION CODE. HE'S JUST WAVING A WAND THAT THIS IS HIS INTERPRETATION AS GOSPEL. 
          >> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT YOUR TIME HAS RUN OUT. FOR ANYONE WHO IS SPEAKING ON THESE PERMITS WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING THEM AS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA IF YOU WANT TO STAY WE WILL BE TAKING UP THAT VOTE WHEN YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET UP AND SAY YOUR COMMENTS OR WE CAN ASK YOU TO SPEAK. SORRY TO 
          INTERRUPT. >> IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE DIALOGUE. WE CAN'T HAVE IT NOW SO THAT'S WHY WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE ONLINE IF THAT'S OKAY I WOULD WAIT UNTIL THE ITEM BECAUSE THEN WE CAN HAVE DIALOGUE WHICH WE CAN'T HAVE NOW. 
          >> THE PEOPLE ONLINE ARE ON TWO. I WANT TO HAVE SOME 
          DISCUSSION FIRST. >> JUDY WALLACE YOUR NEXT. 
          THREE MINUTES AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          >> JUDY WALLACE , 101 MUSTANG ISLAND . I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS ON MUSTANG ISLAND ESTATE . WE ARE DIRECTLY NORTH AND ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED NEW MOVEMENT OF THE ACCESS ROAD ON MUSTANG ISLAND. I'M HERE WITH SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. NO ONE EVER RECEIVED A NOTIFICATION OF HEARING TO CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED ACCESS ROAD TO THIS CURRENT PROPOSED LOCATION. WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR IT BEING MOVED? WAS THERE NO DUTY TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE NOTICE TO ALL LAND OWNERS WHO COULD BE AFFECTED? WE'VE BEEN KEPT OUT OF THE LOOP. WHAT FINALLY TRIGGERED THE NOTICES OF THIS MEETING? WE ARE SURPRISED WE WERE NEVER REQUIRED OR ASKED IF WE WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN DECISIONS BEING MADE GIVING ANY KIND OF INFORMATION. THE NOTICE WAS DATED FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 20TH AND RECEIVED BY ONLY THE LINEBACKERS VIA CERTIFIED MAIL ON SEPTEMBER 23RD MONDAY NINE 
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DAYS BEFORE THIS MEETING AND NOT THE AT LEAST 10 DAYS REQUIRED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. EVEN IF WE HAVE THE REQUIRED 10 DAYS THAT AMOUNT OF TIME IS HOPELESSLY INADEQUATE TO STUDY AND INVESTIGATE SUCH A COMPLEX ISSUE. WE REQUEST YOU TABLE THIS AND RESET IT. IT WILL GIVE US TIME TO LOOK INTO IT TO FURTHER STUDY THE PLANS AND CONDITIONS BECAUSE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR MONTHS AND YEARS TO PUT TOGETHER THEIR STUDIES AND PERMITS WHILE WE WERE GIVEN A MERE HANDFUL OF DAYS. THE PROXIMITY OF THIS ROAD TO OUR PROPERTIES. THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY APPEARS TO BE 10 FEET FROM OUR SOUTHERN BOUNDARY LINES WHERE WE HAVE HIGH DUNES THAT HAVE TAKEN EONS TO FORM. HE CANNOT FORGET THIS IS ONE BIG SANDBAR OUT THERE. IT SEEMS THE PLAN TO MITIGATE REMOVAL IS TO SUPPLY NEW STAND BECAUSE OF ALBERTO FX IN JUNE AND THE MITIGATION SEEN SO IT WON'T WASH AWAY. IT SEEMS A BIT MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST OF SAND RATHER THAN THE EROSION THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE. THAT EROSION WOULD BE ON OUR PROPERTIES. WE ARE TOLD THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN WHICH MEANS EROSION, LOSS OF BUILDABLE SPACE. WE DON'T WANT THE IMPACT MINIMIZED . IF THE ROAD MUST BE BUILT WE WANT IT FURTHER SOUTH CLOSER TO WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND THEY WOULD BE LESS IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREAS. WHEN I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY I BOUGHT IT BECAUSE IT WAS ONE-OF-A-KIND WHERE I COULD ENJOY THE BEACH. I GREW UP COMING TO MUSTANG ISLAND ON THE WEEKENDS AND I LOVE SO MUCH OF IT IS STILL PRISTINE AND PROTECTED. NOW THAT THE DESIGNATION NO LONGER APPLIES SOME DECIDED IS THE PERFECT PLACE FOR A 12 FOOT 
          HIGH ACCESS -- >> YOUR TIME HAS RUN OUT AS WELL. I'M SORRY. I GAVE HIM A LITTLE MORE SO I GAVE YOU MORE TOO. THE TIME HAS RUN OUT. RON WOLF. I'LL GIVE YOU AS MUCH AS 
          I GAVE THEM. >> I WILL TRY TO BE QUICK. I LIVE AT 105 BEACH VIEW DRIVE ON MUSTANG ISLAND. I'M THE SECRETARY AND TREASURER OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION . I'M ALSO A RESIDENT . THE HLA DID SEND A LETTER TO YOU GUYS AND I HAVE COPIES OF THAT HANDED OUT. A FEW COMMENTS . PERSONALLY I GREW UP IN AUSTIN. MY WIFE AND I CAME DOWN HERE TO THE BEACH TO PORT ARANSAS OUR ENTIRE LIVES. WE BOUGHT OUR LAND AND BUILT OUR HOUSE IN 2007 AS OUR RETIREMENT HOME AND WE LIVE HERE FULL-TIME . BEACH VIEW ESTATES IF YOU GET ON MUSTANG ISLAND AND DRIVE TOWARDS PORT A IS HALFWAY DOWN . PERFECT LOCATION AND ACCESS ROADS ARE WAY OVER HERE. IT IS A CUL-DE-SAC WITH 28 LOTS. FOUR OF THEM ARE OCEANFRONT. MINE IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE NEXT TO THE PARCEL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ONE THING WE LOVED WAS OBVIOUSLY THE OCEAN VIEW. THE DUNES ARE 22 FEET TALL AND HIGHEST ON THE ISLAND RIGHT NEXT TO US ON THIS PARCEL THEY DROP OFF VERY LOW AND THE PARCEL NEXT TO US IS VACANT AND IT IS THE EPISCOPAL RETREAT NEXT TO THAT. WE HAVE LOVED LOOKING AT THIS WETLAND. 
          DUTIFUL BIRDS AND WILDLIFE. BEAUTIFUL VEGETATION AND SO FORTH. WE HAVE REALLY LOVED IT. THAT LAND WAS OWNED BY THE FOUNDATION FOR MANY YEARS AND THEN SOLD TO THE CURRENT OWNERS. BULLDOZERS HAVE SHOWN UP AND STARTED PUSHING DIRT AROUND. THE FIRST TIME IT HAPPENED I REMEMBER TALKING TO THE DRIVER AND HE SHOWED ME A PLAN THAT WAS NEVER PERMITTED. 
          THAT GOT STOPPED . THEY WENT AWAY. THEY SHOWED UP LAST TIME AND STAYED FOR TWO WEEKS. THEY BROUGHT IN DOZENS OF DUMP TRUCKS OF SAND AND LEVELED THE ENTIRE THING. MY HOUSE IS AT THE 350 FOOT SETBACK. THEY WENT BEYOND MY HOUSE TOWARDS THE OCEAN. THEY WERE SHUT DOWN AND TOLD TO STOP AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. THE BEACH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED THEY 
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DON'T LIKE THIS MITIGATION PLAN. THEY PREFER THEY RESTORE IT BACK TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE. THIS MITIGATION IS ALL THE 350 FOOT SETBACK. IT HAS BEEN LEVELED WHICH I HAVE NO DOUBT IS THE INTENT. ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. I CAN TELL YOU DURING HARVEY WHEN THE WATER CAME UP FROM THE BAY OUR ENTIRE SUBDIVISION WAS PROTECTED. THE WATER GOT TO THE STREET LEVEL BUT NONE GOT FLOODED BECAUSE BELOW AND NEXT TO US THAT WETLANDS WAS FULL OF WATER DOING ITS JOB AND THAT IS GONE. 
          NOW I'M LOOKING AT DEAD SUNFLOWERS AND A FLAT DAMAGED PIECE OF PROPERTY. I ASK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALIGNMENT WITH THE BEACH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE WITH THIS PLAN. I KNOW WHEN I BUILT MY HOUSE AFTER THE FACT THEY TOLD ME I ENTOMBED A DUNE. THERE WAS A DUNE UNDER MY HOUSE. I SPENT $10,000 DUMPING SAND IN A WHOLE AND THEY MADE ME WATER IT FOR THREE YEARS AND THEY CAME OUT AND SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE MORE CACTUS HERE ONE MORE PLANT HERE. I THOUGHT IT WAS RIDICULOUS. IT WORKED. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I SEE IN THIS PLAN THERE IS NOT A PLAN TO WATER. THEY SAID THERE IS NONE AVAILABLE. I HAD TO RUN 350 FOOT PIPE AND WATER THAT THING EVERY DAY FOR THREE YEARS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THERE 
          AS WELL, THANK YOU >> THANK YOU . ONLINE IF YOU 
          WISH TO SPEAK NEXT. >> THANK YOU. MY ADDRESS IS 109 MUSTANG ISLAND ESTATES DRIVE. I AM THE OWNER OF THAT LOT BUT ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD WITH THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION ON MUSTANG ISLAND ESTATES. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND OTHER MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND. JUDY WALLACE WHO SPOKE EARLIER IS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS MOVE OF THE ACCESS ROAD THAT WAS FURTHER SOUTH. NOW IT HAS BEEN MOVED TO DIRECTLY SOUTH OF OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. THE FIRST CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT APPARENTLY THE ACCESS ROAD WAS MOVED AND APPROVED AT SOME EARLIER MEETING THAT WE WERE NOT GIVEN NOTICE. I BELIEVE THERE IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GIVEN NOTICE. EVERYBODY THAT HAS A LOT NOW HAS A ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WE DID NOT HAVE , THAT ROAD WAS NOT THERE THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION FOR ME WHEN I BOUGHT IT AS TO WHAT WAS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF ME. NOW THEY HAVE MOVED WITHOUT NOTICE WHICH I AM CONCERNED THAT'S NOT MEETING THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS BUT IT'S BEEN MOVED AND NOW WE DID GET NOTICE OF THIS MEETING ON THE DUNE PERMIT. THE CONCERN I HAVE HERE IS FIRST OF ALL WHY WAS IT MOVED? MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PREVIOUS HISTORY IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF US HAD THE ROAD RUNNING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT AND THE ROAD WAS STILL THERE AND THEY WANT IT MOVE FOR THE PURPOSES OF DEVELOPING THEIR PROPERTY SO THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS AND THAT IS FINE. I'M ALL FOR DEVELOPMENT BUT YOU CANNOT BE MOVED ARBITRARILY UNLESS THERE IS REALLY A JUSTIFIED REASON. THEY THROUGHOUT THINGS THAT SOUND GOOD AS THE REASONS WHY THE WETLANDS AND SAFETY AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT I THINK IF WE HAD BEEN GIVEN NOTICE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT MOST ARGUMENTS FOR EXAMPLE THE DUNES THEY ARE NOW PROPOSING TO PUT THE ROAD ARE 20 FEET HIGH CUTTING THROUGH SOME HUGE DUNES WHERE THE ROAD WAS ORIGINALLY PLACED THEY ARE MUCH LOWER LIKE 5 TO 9 FEET. THE REASON THE ROAD WAS PUT WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY WAS BECAUSE IT WAS THE BEST LOCATION NOW THEY WANT TO MOVE IT AND SAY WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE WETLANDS. THERE IS PROTECTION NEEDED IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF OUR BORDER. THE ARGUMENT THAT IT IS PREFERRED THEY ALREADY IS ABOUT A 10 SECOND CHANGE IN AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. THE IDEA THAT 10 SECONDS IS A GREAT ENHANCEMENT TO SAFETY WAS THE REASON IT WAS GIVEN. YOU CAN ALWAYS COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S BETTER WHEN IN REALITY IT'S NOT. IT WAS PUT IN THE CORRECT LOCATION WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANTED. THIS GOT 
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MOVED. HERE WE ARE, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS AUTHORIZED WITHOUT NOTICE BUT I'M TURNING TO SOLUTIONS. WE JUST HAVE THESE PEOPLE COME IN AND TALK ABOUT SOME READINESS BUT WE ARE CUTTING THROUGH 20 FOOT DUNES OR DISTURBING HUGE DUNES RIGHT NEXT TO OUR BORDER NOW. THEY HAVE REMEDIATION MATTERS AND TALK ABOUT RINGING SAND AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REMEDIATE THIS. WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESEARCH WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS REALLY GOING TO PROTECT US. 
          >> SORRY, YOUR TIME HAS RUN OUT AS WELL. I LET EVERYONE GO OVER BUT WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS UP IN THE MEETING AND JUST A MINUTE. THANK YOU. JEFF LEINBERGER. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. MY ADDRESS IS 109 MUSTANG ISLAND ESTATES. I OWN NOT FOR LOCATED ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF MUSTANG ISLAND ESTATES SUBDIVISION. IT'LL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED. 
          THIS IS ITEM 382 ON THE AGENDA. I AM RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING COMMISSIONER SUPPORT CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF THIS LARGE SCALE DUNE PROTECTION PERMIT EXEMPTION REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. FIRST AND FOREMOST WE NEED ADDITIONAL TIME. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY COMPLEX ISSUE, SUBSTANTIAL ENGINEERING AND TECHNICAL CONSULTANT TO GET TO THIS STAGE OF THE CONSIDERATION . AS A LICENSED ENGINEER MYSELF I KNOW THE AMOUNT OF ENGINEERING THAT GOES INTO THIS. THE TIME IT TAKES TO FOCUS ON THESE PERMITS. WE ARE REQUESTING TIME TO COMPLETE OUR DILIGENCE AND EVALUATE ANY ADVERSE THAT MAY AFFECT OUR SAFETY. WE RECEIVED THE NOTICE EXEMPTION ON THE 23RD OF SEPTEMBER JUST NINE DAYS AGO. SECOND THE PROPOSED BEACH ACCESS ROAD IMPACTS ARE DUNES. THE LINE JUST SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY WAS RELOCATED EACH ACCESS HAS AN AVERAGE PEAK ELEVATION IN THE 20 FOOT RANGE. THE CURRENTLY PLATTED BEACH ACCESS ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH IS 900 FEET SOUTH TERMINATES INTO THE DUNES AT SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER ELEVATIONS IN THE NINE FOOT RANGE. ALLOWING BEACH ROADS TO PENETRATE INSTEAD OF NINE FOOT DUNES REQUIRES MITIGATION ACTIVITIES ON A SCALE FAR EXCEEDING ANY REALISTIC SHORT-TERM ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC AND LIKELY INCREASES THE RISK OF ADVERSE STORM IMPACTS TO WETLAND AREAS ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND GENERAL PUBLIC. RELOCATING CURRENT BEACH ACCESS FOR 900 FEET NORTHWARD DOES NOT APPEAR TO SIGNIFICANTLY AVOID IMPACTS AND WETLAND AREAS. NEW DEVELOPMENT MAY INCORPORATE NATURAL WETLANDS AND VEGETATION TO PARTIALLY SATISFY THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS WHERE SUCH FEATURES MEET THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION SCREENING PERFORMANCE CRITERIA. SIMPLY PUSHING BEACH ACCESS ROAD 900 FEET AS A QUICK SOLUTION TO AVOID THE ADVERSE IMPACTS CONTINUOUSLY CHANGING WETLAND AREAS IS NOT INNOVATIVE AND RUNS COUNTER TO THE STATED GOALS. FOR CURRENTLY PLATTED BEACH ACCESS ROADWAY 900 FEET NORTHRIDGE PRESENT PLATTED POSITIONS DOES NOT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE BEACH ACCESS RATE SPACING INTERVALS. 
          THE STATED GOAL OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSE PLAN IS TO ALLOW QUICKER ACCESS TO ON BEACH EMERGENCIES . UNDER CURRENT CITY CONDITIONS DECREASING INTERVAL SPACING BY A MERE 900 FEET WILL NOT GET VEHICLES ON THE BEACH ACCESS ROAD DOES NOT MATERIALLY IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THE 
          GENERAL PUBLIC. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE 
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WHO DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP FOR 
          [2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]
PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WISHES TO DO SO NOW? IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, COMMISSIONERS, OUR CONSENT AGENDA. IS THERE ANY ITEM IN THE CONSENT AGENDA ANY COMMISSIONER WISHES TO PULL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO PASS. 
          >> SO MOVED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA. 
          [1.  Discuss and consider approval of the Exemption Request for Dune Impact Compensation for Violations for 426 cubic yards (CY) of dunes and 10,117 square feet (SF) of dune vegetation impacted without authorization - Mustang Island Section 2 Block 1 Lot 52 11.82 acres - DPP-04062023-na.]
THREE A1. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE EXEMPTION REQUEST FOR DUNE IMPACT COMPENSATION FOR VIOLATIONS FOR 426 CUBIC YARDS OF DUNES AND DUNE VEGETATION IMPACTED WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION MUSTANG ISLAND SECTION 2 BLOCK ONE LOT 
          52. IT IS 11 POINT 82 ACRES . >> I WILL JUMP IN IF YOU DON'T MIND. THESE ARE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON THE DIFFERENCES ON THESE. THREE A1 I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH ALL THE FOLKS THAT SHOWED UP AND SPOKE. IT IS A MESS OF EPIC PROPORTIONS, A MESS THAT SHOULD'VE NEVER BEEN DONE AND I DEFINITELY CONCUR ON THIS ONE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND I THINK WE NEED TO SEND THIS ONE BACK FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT AND LOOK AT IT MYSELF. I AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE PLAN IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM AND I THINK IT SHOULD'VE BEEN SENT BACK AND YOU HAVE TO BE PUT BACK THE WAY IT WAS. PUT THAT THING BACK THE WAY IT WAS. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT WE CAN DENY IT TODAY OR TABLE IT TO SEND IT BACK WITH DIRECTION TO BRING IT BACK WITH A BETTER PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST PROCEDURE IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO START OVER BUT I DON'T LIKE THIS PLAN. I KNOW YOU DID THE BEST YOU CAN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT 
          TO DO BUT TO ME -- >> THE MITIGATION THEY ARE TRYING TO DO IS FOR A VIOLATION. THEY ORIGINALLY HAD APPROVAL THROUGH AN ARMY CORPS ENGINEER PERMIT AND THEY WERE DIRECTED THEY COULD DO THAT BUT THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISTURB ANY OTHER DUNE VEGETATION OR DUNES AND THEIR CONTRACTOR OF WHOEVER WAS OUT THERE WERE NOT SUPERVISED WELL AND DID THAT. IT IMPACTED THE DUNE AND VEGETATION SO THEY CAME UP WITH THAT PLAN TO FIX THAT. WE MET WITH THE GLO AND CITY AND PART OF THAT MITIGATION PLAN WAS TO RESTORE THAT BETWEEN TWO DUNES INSIDE THE 350. THEY CAN DO THAT. THAT IS WHAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE Y'ALL TODAY TO GET APPROVED BUT THE REASON WHY I RECOMMENDED TABLING IS THE ADDRESS IT WAS SENT OUT FOR THE PROPERTY ITSELF WAS INCORRECT AND THE APPLICANT CONTACTED ME AND I SAID LET'S DO IT BY THE BOOK. 
          AS FAR AS CHRISTINE AND MYSELF HAVING AN OPINION ABOUT ANY OF THESE WE DON'T. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW PROTOCOL. 
          IT IS NOT SUBJECTIVE. WE CAN GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ENGINEER AND SAY IT'S FIND A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS MITIGATION SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY DO THE MITIGATION FOR THE VIOLATION IN THE AREA WHERE THE VIOLATION TOOK PLACE THEN ONCE THEY DO THAT THEY CAN NEVER TOUCH THAT SITE AGAIN. IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP AND THEY DO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THEN THEY HAVE TO AVOID 
          THAT AREA. >> RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, PROCEDURALLY I GUESS IS WHAT I'M ASKING BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT THIS PLAN. WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PUSH IT BACK TO WHOEVER I NEED TO PUSH IT BACK TO WHERE WE CAN BE BACK INVOLVED AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE BACK INVOLVED? 
          >> TABLE IT BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE A DUNE MITIGATION PLAN BACK AND GET THEIR RECOMMENDATION. THEY ARE ADVISORY ONLY. THEN GET BACK WITH THE GLO AND SAY WE ARE MENDING THE MITIGATION PLAN . I WOULD TABLE IT INDEFINITELY FOR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE READY BY OCTOBER 
          16TH. >> WE NEED TO TABLE IT -- IN OTHER WORDS, TO SOLVE CONCERNS OF 
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          >> AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE TABLE DOESN'T HURT THEM. IT ALLOWS Y'ALL TO GO BACK AND COME UP WITH THE MITIGATION PLAN . I THINK THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND SIT DOWN AND EXPLAIN HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. THEY NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND AND HEAR IT. IF WE ARE GOING TO TABLE IT I WOULD SAY UNTIL NOVEMBER BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY -- YEAH. 
          THERE'S NO WAY IT'LL GET DONE IN TWO WEEKS. TABLE IT TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING BUT BRING US BACK WITH DIRECTION OF A NEW MITIGATION PLAN THAT IS BETTER THAN THIS ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT BETTER THAN THAT. 
          >> IF THEY DO HAVE TO REVISE IT MAY NOT BE BACK UNTIL DECEMBER BECAUSE THE DEADLINE IS YESTERDAY. 
          >> YOU CAN OPEN THE AGENDA. OPEN THE AGENDA DEADLINE ARE NOT THEY CAN GET IT BACK SOMEHOW. 
          >> I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR IT MAY NOT BE NOVEMBER. 
          CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ] GET WILL BE PROBLEMS THAT OCCUR AS WE HEAD INTO RAINY SEASON SO PLEASE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BACK ON THE BMAX AGENDA. BUT I WANT THE BMAX SIGNING OFF ON THIS AS BEST AS THEY CAN. I WANT A MOTION. AND I WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE HEARD BECAUSE THEY CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE. JUST LIKE WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO THAT ON THE NEXT ONE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT BECAUSE OUR NOVEMBER MEETING -- 
          >> NOVEMBER 13TH. >> NOVEMBER 13TH MEETING. I AT LEAST WANT TO GET SOME TIMELINE AND DEADLINE SO WE CAN GET IT. 
          >> A CALL FROM THE GL OH IS WHERE THEY ARE PLACING THE REINFORCEMENTS ON THE FRONT LINE DUNE. SO GETTING YOUR MOST BEACHFRONT DUNE REINFORCEMENT. SOME DISCUSSION WENT INTO PUTTING IT THERE VERSUS SOMEWHERE ELSE ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE DUNE SYSTEM THE MOST RESILIENT. BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE VIEWPOINT. AND IT WAS TOTALLY DISCUSSED. 
          >> SOME OF THE BEST THEY MADE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE FIXED IS WHAT I AM HEARING TO KIND OF SAY BECAUSE THEY HAD A CORPS OF ENGINEER PERMIT. ALL WE CAN DO IS ALL WE CAN DO. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. I JUST WANT ALL THE NEIGHBORS TO HEAR THAT, TOO. IF IT IS A CORPS OF ENGINEERS PERMIT, I HAVE NO AUTHORITY ON ANY OF THAT. ALL WE CAN FIX IS WHAT WE CAN FIX. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE EXPECTATIONS TOO HIGH FOR ANY OF THESE NICE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP. BUT THE BMAX DOES NOT LIKE IT . THAT CONCERNS ME. ADVISORY OR NOT, I TAKE GREAT HE'D IN WHAT THE BMAX SAYS. THAT MEANS THEY DON'T LIKE OUR PLAN FOR WHAT WE CAN FIX AND I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN OFF ON THIS AT SOME POINT. 
          >> THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITH THIS PROPERTY WAY BEFORE THE COUNTY EVEN GOT INVOLVED WITH THAT. I HAVE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT IT WHEN EDGAR SHALL FOUNDATION OWNED IT AND STUFF. I AM LOOKING WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. NOT DEALING WITH ANY KIND OF HISTORY. JUST LIKE THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE HISTORY. 
          >> LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE REASONABLE PEOPLE AND LET THEM ALL BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND HEAR IT AND I WILL DRIVE OUT THERE MYSELF AND LOOK AGAIN. I MEAN, I HAVE GONE OUT THERE BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN TO THAT SPECIFIC SITE IN A WHILE. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THE NOVEMBER MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO 
          [2.  Discuss and consider approval of the large-scale request and exemption request for dune protection permit for construction of a new beach access road seaward of the 350’ dune protection line (DPP-20231209). Dune Protection Permit Application (DPP-20231209) for the construction of a new beach access road on Mustang Island was submitted on behalf of the City of Corpus Christi Engineering Services. ]
ITEM 2. 3A2. EXEMPTION REQUEST FOR DUNE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 
          NEW BEACH ACCESS ROAD. >> JEB JUST WENT TO THE RESTROOM. HE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. AGAIN, WE FOLLOWED ALL THE PROTOCOLS. WE SAT DOWN. IT WENT THROUGH BMAX. WE HAD A FOLLOW-UP MEETING WITH CITY STAFF. THE GLO. WE WORKED HARD 
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ON A COMPENSATION PLAN THAT WOULD WORK FOR THIS PROJECT. IF ALL AND ALL THE PROTOCOLS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DO NOT FEEL LIKE THEY GOT ENOUGH ADVANCED NOTICE. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH TABLING IT SO PEOPLE HAVE TIME TO DIGEST IT AT ALL BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WE FOLLOWED THE PROPER PROCEDURES. AS FAR AS THE OPINION ON THE ACCESS ROAD, WE DON'T HAVE ONE. WE JUST LOOK AT WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US AND REVIEW IT OBJECTIVELY. 
          >> I THINK THAT KEY IS THE SAME THING. WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO THAT. I WANT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY TO BE HAD. I GOT THIS EMAIL THAT SAID THESE PROCEDURES WEREN'T FOLLOWED. I AT LEAST WANT TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY. WE MAY TABLE IT, BUT I WANT JEFF TO BE IN THE ROOM. I GUESS IF YOU GOT TO GO, YOU GOT TO GO. I MAY WANT TO PUSH THIS BACK BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. 
          AND REMIND ME. ISN'T THIS A COUNTY ACCESS ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY 
          OR WHAT IS IT? >> IT WAS A COUNTY EASEMENT. 
          AND NOW IT HAS BEEN HANDED TO THE CITY SO IT IS THE CITY'S 
          EASEMENT. >> WELL, JEFF WAS ON THE OTHER 
          END OF IT. >> I HAVE GOT QUESTIONS. 
          >> WE WILL COME BACK. I KNOW THE LINEBERGER'S ONLINE ARE 
          WANTING TO SPEAK AS WELL. >> I NEED THE CITY -- BECAUSE I NEED TO GET HISTORICAL ON THIS. I THINK THERE IS SOME SORT OF ACCESS THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A ROAD AT SOME POINT. I THINK. 
          I DON'T WANT TO MISS STATE THAT. I THINK I HAVE STALLED LONG ENOUGH. SO, JEFF, IF -- IN THIS -- I AM SORRY. STATE YOUR NAME AND WHO YOU ARE FOR THE RECORD SO EVERYONE KNOWS. 
          >> MY NAME IS JEFF EDMAN AND MY TITLE IS DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING SERVICES WITH THE CITY AND WHAT WE DO IS WE ARE LIKE THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT OFFICE FOR DELIVERING THE CITY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS OF WHICH THIS IS ONE. 
          AND SO OUR JOB IS BASICALLY JUST TO GET THIS PROJECT BUILT. 
          >> AND GIVE THE HISTORY ON THIS EASEMENT. WAS IT INTENDED TO BE -- WAS IT A ROAD EASEMENT TO BEGIN WITH? 
          >> CORRECT. SO THERE HAS BEEN AN EASEMENT DATED BACK TO 1972 TO CONSTRUCT THIS BEACH ACCESS ROAD. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS INTEREST FROM EMERGENCY RESPONSE. THEY NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER BEACH ACCESS. OF COURSE, IT WILL ALSO SERVE PEOPLE WHO USE THE BEACH AND ENJOY THE BEACH. THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CITY'S BOND PROGRAM IN 2020. 
          THEY NEEDED UP FRONT MONEY TO DO THE DESIGN WORK, AND THEN THEY PUT THE CONSTRUCTION MONEY IN ON LINE 22. WE STARTED HAVING A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY FOR THIS TO BE LOCATED, AND HE WANTED TO SHIFT THE ALIGNMENT. THIS EASEMENT THAT EXISTS IN 72, IT IS STATED IN THE NAME OF THE COUNTY. TYPICALLY, WHEN THE CITY ANNEXES ANY TURNED STREET, IT IS HANDED BACK OVER TO BE MAINTAINED. THIS STREET WAS NOT DEVELOPED AND REMAINED WITH ENTITLED TO THE COUNTY. SO WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH COUNTY TWO YEARS AGO THAT WOULD EASE THAT PROVIDED THE CITY WOULD BUILD THE BEACH ACCESS ROAD WITHIN 1000 FEET OF THE 
          FORMER ALIGNMENT. >> RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE. THIS HAS BEEN AN EASEMENT FOR ALL THESE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND, AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST A SHORT DELAY AGAINST THIS, BUT IF ANYONE THINKS THEY ARE GOING TO STOP THIS FROM BEING A ROAD, WE HAVE TO HAVE A BEACH ACCESS ROAD. WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. OUR BEACH HAS INCREASED. THERE IS NO WAY WHEN THESE PROPERTIES WERE BOUGHT THAT THIS ACCESS ROAD DID NOT SHOW UP. SO THIS HAS BEEN AN ACCESS ROAD AND IT HAS BEEN A POTENTIAL ROAD SINCE 
          WHEN DID YOU SAY? >> 1972. 
          >> '72. BUT WHAT I SAID EARLIER IS THEY DID NOT GIVE PROPER NOTICE. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WERE THE PROCEDURES FOLLOWED AS FAR AS NOTIFICATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE PROCESSES NOT BEING FOLLOWED. SCOTT SAYS THEY WERE. DO YOU HAVE A TAKE ON THAT? I ASSUME YOU ALL WERE INVOLVED ON THAT BECAUSE I CERTAINLY WASN'T. 
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          >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CERTIFIED MAILING HAVE TO GO OUT 10 DAYS PRIOR TO IT APPEARING ON THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AGENDA. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANOTHER NOTIFICATION LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE WITH A REZONING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR SHIFTING THAT ALIGNMENT. BUT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE PROCESS AND GET ALL OF THE 
          RECORD APPROVALS FOR THIS. >> RIGHT. SO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THERE IS LEGITIMATE NEED TO DELAY TO GO TALK TO EVERYBODY, BUT YOU SAID YOU HAVE GONE AND TALK TO THE 
          LINEBERGERS. OR HAVE YOU NOT? >> I DID CONTACT MS. WALLACE 
          AND MR. LINEBERGER. >> IF THE DELAY IS TO TRY TO MOVE THE ROAD, I WANT TO BE SUPER TRANSPARENT. I DO NOT SUPPORT THAT. IF THE DELAY IS TO TRY TO MAKE THE ROAD BETTER AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT THAT DOESN'T HURT THE DUNES WHERE THE MITIGATION IS NOT PROPER, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY THAT HAS ALL BEEN DONE, THAT IS OKAY. BUT THIS IS A BEACH ACCESS ROAD THAT HAS BEEN AN ACCESS ROAD UNDEVELOPED SINCE THE '70S. IT'S NEEDED. WE NEED A BEACH ACCESS ROAD. SO I WILL HAPPILY SUPPORT A SHORT DELAY TO MAKE IT BETTER, BUT 
          NOT TO KILL IT. >> WE WOULD NOT OPPOSE THAT. WE WANT TO DO IT CORRECTLY. WE WANT TO ASSURE ANY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED IN THE DESIGN. SO ACTUALLY IF THERE IS ANY COMMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD -- 
          >> I GET IT. THERE IS NOT A ROAD TO THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT HAS BEEN A ROAD THROUGH THE PROPERTY SINCE THIS. SO THE CITY WHEN THEY ANNEXED IT, IT DID NOT GET TRANSFERRED OVER PROPERLY LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE. SO ADMINISTRATIVELY WHENEVER THAT GOT TRANSFERRED OVER IN ONE WAS IT? 2020 OR SOMETHING? IT HAS NOT BEEN A ROAD FOR A LONG -- 
          >> I THINK IT WAS PART OF THE '80 ANNEXATION. 
          >> A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. >> OH. THE TRANSFER. THAT WAS 
          TWO YEARS AGO. >> OKAY. SO I WILL MAKE A 
          MOTION TO TABLE TO THE -- >> OCTOBER. THE NEXT OCTOBER IS 
          THE 23RD. RIGHT? >> 16TH. 
          >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE TO SOBER TO OCTOBER 16TH TO MAKE SURE THE PROCESS IS DONE RIGHT AND THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE. BUT, AGAIN, I AM NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE I SUPPORT THIS BEING A BEACH ACCESS ROAD, BUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE BETTER THAT IS FINE. 
          >> I SECOND THAT MOTION TO TABLE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. AND THE LINEBERGERS, YOU CAN PUT YOUR HANDS DOWN. I AM SURE SOMEONE WILL BE GETTING IN CONTACT WITH YOU. 
          >> AND I APOLOGIZE. AND WITH THE DIRECTION THAT THERE IMMEDIATELY BE A MEETING SET UP WITH THESE HOMEOWNERS IN THE CITY BECAUSE YOU'RE RUNNING THE SHOW AND IT IS YOUR ROAD. 
          ALL WE ARE DOING NOW IS APPROVING WHATEVER WE NEED TO APPROVE. BEFORE WE LEAVE, SHE IS HERE. SO PLEASE GET A MEETING SET UP IMMEDIATELY WITH THEM AND GET THIS THING SET UP STEP-BY-STEP. HELP OF THE DUNES. PROTECT THE DUNES. 
          WHATEVER IT IS, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          [3.  Discuss and consider rescinding court action regarding outside entity, Nueces County Drainage District No. 2, wishing to continue participation in Nueces County's Employee Self-Funded Group Health programs and ancillary services plan for FY2024-2025 and all related matters.]
          >> SURE. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. 
          >> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3. DISCUSSING CONSIDER RESENDING THE ACTION REGARDING NUECES COUNTY DRAINAGE NUMBER 2. 
          CONTINUE PARTICIPATION IN THE NUECES COUNTY EMPLOYEE SELF-FUNDED GROUP HEALTH PROGRAM FOR THE YEAR '24-25. 
          AND, COMMISSIONER, YOU ADDED THIS. 
          >> YES. THIS HAS BEEN AN ITEM WE HAVE HAD FOR DISCUSSION FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WAS GIVEN WAS JUST REALLY QUICK TURNAROUND FOR THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO SEEK OUT THEIR OWN INSURANCE. I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS FOR ONE YEAR. ONE YEAR ONLY THAT I WILL NOT BE REQUESTING OR ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONS. 
          AND THAT GIVES THEM PLENTY OF TIME TO GO OUT AND SEEK THEIR OWN COVERAGE. THEY DO PAY THEIR FULL AMOUNT INTO THE PLAN. THE QUESTION OF COURSE IS LIABILITY. THAT IS THE STICKING 
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POINT, OBVIOUSLY. BUT THEY DO PAY FOR EVERYTHING. SO IT IS NOT LIKE THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THAT. BUT THE LIABILITY IS WHAT OPEN THIS UP , AND THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME AND FOR EVERYONE. AND IF WE CONTINUE FOR ONE MORE YEAR, THEN THIS GIVES THEM PLENTY OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT. 
          >> THEY SAY THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE NOTICE. ALSO LET ME VERY MUCH CLARIFY, WE WERE GIVEN THE WRONG EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THEM. SO, NO, THEY DID NOT RECEIVE IT. THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE NOTICE. IT WAS INCORRECT. THEY ABSOLUTELY DID NOT GET THE NOTICE WHEN EVERYONE ELSE DID. 
          >> OKAY. 90 DAYS ARE SOMETHING. THAT IS A LONG TIME. 
          >> SO, JUDGE, THIS IS ONE THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING AND JENNY CONFIRMED WE CAN GIVE NOTICE THAT DAY. THAT WAS LAST WEEK. I GET IT. BUT WE DIRECTED STAFF LAST WEEK TO GIVE THE NOTICE AND STOP SIGNING THEM UP BASED ON COUNSEL'S ADVICE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS ABOUT 
          20 -- >> 20. 
          >> -- 20 PEOPLE THAT WE ENSURE THAT ARE EXPOSED PLUS THEIR FAMILIES. SO BY MY CALCULATIONS, IF WE LEAVE THEM ON, THEN WE ARE ASKED HOUSING THIS COUNTY OVER THE YEAR TO A MINIMUM OF $9 MILLION OF EXPOSURE. AND THAT IS IF EVERY ONE OF THEM GETS SICK AND THEIR FAMILIES. SO BEFORE PEOPLE VOTE ON THIS BECAUSE, SORRY, NO OFFENSE, MS. HERNANDEZ, BUT WE HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CLEAN THE COUNTY UP AND ONLY DO STATUTORY THINGS THE BEST WE COULD . TWO ONLY IN SHORT COUNTY EMPLOYEES. WE JUST WENT INTO A HORRIBLE BUDGET WHERE WE WENT TO A MINIMUM OF $3 MILLION. AND I UNDERSTAND THE SPOT THIS PUTS THEM IN, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COVER THEIR STOPLOSS AT $475,000 A PERSON. PLUS THEIR FAMILIES. SO $9 MILLION IS LIGHT. I AM NOT SAYING EVERYONE IS GOING TO GET SICK, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING. 20+ THEIR FAMILIES. IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM $9 MILLION-$20 MILLION. IF THEY ARE NOT COUNTING EMPLOYEES AND WE ARE SELF-INSURED ON THE STOPLOSS, THEN I AM SORRY. AGAIN, AS I GET OUTVOTED I GET OUTVOTED, BUT I CANNOT PUT COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND OUR RESERVES AT RISK BECAUSE IF WE GET POPPED WITH SOME OF THIS IT IS COMING OUT OF OUR RESERVES. THERE IS NO QUESTION OF IT. IF ONLY ONE PERSON, THAT IS $475,000 THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND IT MAY BE ZERO. BUT I AM NOT WILLING TO ROLL THE DICE. I AM SORRY, BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. 
          >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSIONER'S CONCERNS. AND I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A COURT AND PREVIOUS COURTS HAVE MADE DECISIONS TO INCLUDE THIS. 
          THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR YEARS NOW WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS. AND IT HAS BEEN EITHER A PRIORITY OR IT HAS BEEN SUPPORTED. I GET THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CUT ALL WE CAN. EVERY EMPLOYEE THAT WE HAVE IS A POTENTIAL LIABILITY. 
          SO I GET THE CONCERN THAT IS THERE. I THINK THAT ASKING FOR MORE TIME IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO WITH OUR PARTNERS THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF OUR PLAN AND PROGRAM FOR SO MANY YEARS. I STATED BEFORE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT INSURANCE, YES, YOU TAKE ON LIABILITY. IT CAN HAPPEN FOR ONE. YOU CAN HAVE AN EMPLOYEE POOL OF 10 PEOPLE AND IT ONLY HAPPENS TO ONE AND IT CAN GET YOU IN TROUBLE. BUT WHEN YOU GO OUT AND BID OUT FOR INSURANCE AND HAVE MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN THE INSURANCE PLAN, IT IS BETTER FOR THE COLLECTIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE BRINGING DOWN THE RATES FOR THOSE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING, AND THE COUNTY DOES COVER A PORTION, WHICH COVERS THE EMPLOYEES. THAT IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN WHEN I SAY, LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE WHICH IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR MANY YEARS NOW, AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO. THE TURNAROUND, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION IN GETTING THE INFORMATION TO THEM. THEN IT CAME UP AND THEY WERE QUICKLY SCRAMBLING TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING. I HEARD COMMISSIONER JOE MAYBE MENTIONED 90 DAYS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS LEGAL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS ALLOWED. 
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AND I LOOKED TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND HR AND OUR INSURANCE REPS TO BETTER DESCRIBE IT. THAT IS AN OPTION THERE. WE JUST WANT SOMETHING REASONABLE. SOMETHING FORMAL. 
          SO THAT THIS GROUP, THEY ARE BASICALLY, BECAUSE OF OUR DECISION, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THIS GROUP TO STAY ON FOR ONE MORE YEAR. AND THIS DISCUSSION DID NOT GET INCLUDED INTO A MOTION, AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TO CORRECT IT. THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR HAPPENED ON MONDAY. 
          WE ARE NOW ON WEDNESDAY. SO THIS GROUP, THEY ARE A LIABILITY THEMSELVES BY NOT HAVING ANY COVERAGE. SO I WOULD ASK FOR THE YEAR IF IT IS ALLOWED TO DO A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME. MS. DORSEY, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS ON THIS. AND IF IT IS EASIER FOR THE COURT TO ACCEPT THEN SO BE IT. BUT I AM ASKING NOT JUST TO SHUT THIS DOWN IMMEDIATELY. AT LEAST GIVE THIS GROUP TIME TO GO OUT INTO THE MARKET AND FIND A PLAN THAT THEY CAN HELP SECURE FOR 
          THEMSELVES AND THEIR EMPLOYEES. >> I BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND NO ONE TALKED ABOUT IT, TOO. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER JOE, IT MAY BE A GOOD CONCESSION TO GIVE THEM 90 DAYS OR UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR SO YOU ARE NOT JUST CUTTING PEOPLE OFF OVERNIGHT. THEY HAVE BEEN ON HERE FOR A WHILE. I DO HAVE THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF THEIR PREMIUMS AND WHAT THEY HAVE PAID. MY ONLY CONCERN HERE IN LOOKING AT THIS IS, I AM NOT SURE IF THIS COVERS THEIR PRESCRIPTION CLAIMS. I BELIEVE I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO GO WITH COMMISSIONER JOE IS SUGGESTION. IT GIVES THEM TIME, TOO. WE WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS. I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO ANY OF THEM. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SHAPE THE 
          COUNTY IS IN AS WELL. >> I OBJECT TO THE WORD PARTNERS. THAT COUNTY DRAINAGE DISTRICT IS NOT LIKE THE 
          HOSPITAL DISTRICT. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          >> WE DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT. NOT ONE THING. A LONG TIME AGO, WE DID NOT HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL TO DO THE KIND OF CLEANUP WE DO NOW. I ACKNOWLEDGE I COULD NEVER GET ANYBODY TO EVEN CONSIDER THIS BEFORE. AND -- AND SO I HEAR YOU. BUT BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF THE COUNTY WE ARE IN, I JUST -- I JUST THINK IT IS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS. AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THESE ARE NOT COUNTY EMPLOYEES. AND I BELIEVE, JUDGE, YOU HAVE MENTIONED THEY AGREED TO PAY THEIR PORTION OF THE STOPLOSS AS WELL. 
          >> THEY ARE PAYING WELL. >> THEY ARE PAYING EVERYTHING. 
          >> THIS COMPANY IS PAYING THEIR PORTION OF THE STOCK LOSS 
          PREMIUMS. >> RIGHT. BUT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS GOING A STEP FURTHER AND THEY ARE ALSO SAYING THEY WILL PAY THE STOCK LOSS WE WOULD -- 
          >> I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. HAD WE NOT SEND IT TO THE WRONG ADDRESS I WOULD BE AGREEING WITH YOU 100%. BUT I THINK GIVING THEM THE CONCESSION AND WORKING TOGETHER AND GIVING THEM THE 90 DAYS AS COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ SAID, IF IT IS LEGAL AND ALLOWABLE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION THAN JUST CUTTING THEM OFF. 
          >> I REQUESTED THE PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MCGRIFF HAPPENED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE MEETING. SEE IF THAT IS EVEN SOMETHING THEY ARE WILLING TO ASSIST WITH. 
          >> WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO ASSIST WITH THAT THEY JUST GET 
          OFF WITH -- >> WELL, IT MAY NOT BE THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE WILLING TO CONTRACT FOR A THREE-MONTH 
          PERIOD. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY. I MEAN, YOU JUST DROP 
          THEM OFF. >> IS IT ILLEGAL. IS IT ALLOWABLE. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS. I WOULD SUGGEST WE WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND COME BACK TO 
          THIS. >> IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE POTENTIALLY NOT COVERED. WE CAN LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT ONE DAY THERE WAS A GAP, BUT TODAY IS ALREADY DAY TWO AND THEY ARE IN ESSENCE WITHOUT INSURANCE. AND THERE WAS A MIXUP. THERE WAS A MISTAKE. THE POLITICAL ISSUES WE HAD DISCUSSED AND GONE BACK AND FORTH ON I TOTALLY GET, BUT WE HAVE TO AT LEAST MAKE CONCESSIONS SO THIS GROUP IS COVERED IN THE MEANTIME. NOW, THE ONLY ISSUE TO ME IS IF IT 
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IS NOT THE FLAVOR OF THE COURT TO SAY LET'S DO A YEAR. THEN CAN WE DO 60 TO 90 DAYS. IS THAT REASONABLE? THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE TO ME. BUT IF WE CANNOT GET THAT RESOLVED, WE WILL TO TABLE THIS MEETING, BEFORE WE RECESS INTO OUR MEETING, COME BACK AND VOTE ON IT. WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A 
          DECISION TODAY. >> COULD IT BE A CONTRACT OF 90 DAYS INSTEAD OF JUST A EXTENSION OF 90 DAYS? 
          >> WE KIND OF NEED MCGRIFF TO BE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. GET THEM ON THE PHONE. CAN SOMEONE CALL THEM AND WE CAN GET THEM ON THE LINE? 
          >> YOU CAN GO CALL THEM, TOO. >> ARE THEY ON NOW? I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. ARE THEY ON OR HOLDING OVER? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE COVERED OR NOT 
          COVERED. DO YOU? >> THERE MUST BE A GRACE 
          PERIOD. >> NO, SIR. MY UNDERSTANDING IS AS OF 9/30, THEIR COVERAGE TERMINATED. 
          >> IS THAT FOR SURE? LET'S DO THAT. 
          >> WE WILL COME BACK TO THIS IF YOU WILL GO GET US AN ANSWER, AND MAYBE HE WILL HOP ON HER SOMETHING. AND IF YOU COME BACK, I WILL GO BACK AND BRING HIM BACK ON IF HE WANTS TO 
          ANSWER OUR QUESTION. >> I WILL ALSO VERIFY THE 
          STATUS OF THE COVERAGE. >> WE WILL COME BACK TO ITEM 
          [4.  Discuss and consider allocating economic development contracts with Special Revenue, Capital Credits Administration, Department #1379 and related matters. Fiscal Year 2024/2025 funds available are $198,069.]
NUMBER 3. ITEM NUMBER 4. WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THIS TODAY. 
          DISCUSSED ALLOCATING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTS. 
          I AM GOING TO ASK FOR THIS TO BE TABLED. I THINK WE WILL JUST PUT IT BACK ON. IT IS OUR ADMINISTRATION, AND I TALKED TO ONE ENTITY AND THEY ASKED. SO I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION TO TABLE AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK EITHER DECEMBER OR JANUARY. 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. TO BE TABLE IT AS IT IS? WILL IT 
          REMAIN THE SAME AMOUNT? >> WE HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED 
          SOME OF OUR BUDGET TO THESE. >> I JUST THOUGHT THE COMMISSIONER ADVOCATED SOME OF HIS MONEY, TOO. 
          >> YEAH. WE ARE GOING TO BRING IT BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          >> TO WHAT? >> TO I AM ASSUMING MAYBE DECEMBER OR JANUARY, WE WILL JUST PUT IT BACK ON. LET ME BE CLEAR, ANY OF YOU FOR TABLING ITEMS, WE DON'T AUTOMATICALLY PUT THEM BACK ON. THAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. TO ALSO PLAY YOUR ITEM BACK ON SO YOU ARE NOT HOLDING OUR OFFICE BACK UP 
          [5.  Discuss and consider authorizing and approving execution of Job Order Authorization No. NCCP-007 in the amount of $97,263.74 under Job Order Contracting (JOC) Agreement No. 20240167-4/10 (RFP 3256-23) with Grace Paving and Construction, Inc. for the Amistad Park Useful Life Extension; and related matters. County Attorney has reviewed for legal sufficiency as to form. ]
TO WHATEVER DATE WE DECIDED TO PUT SOMETHING ON AND WE ACCIDENTALLY FORGET IT. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PLACE IT BACK ON. YES. MOVING ON TO NUMBER 5. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING THE EXECUTION OF JOB ORDER AUTHORIZATION NUMBER NCCP-007 IN THE AMOUNT OF $97,263.74 UNDER JOB ORDER CONTRACTING AGREEMENT NUMBER 20240167-4/10, WITH GRACE PAVING AND CONSTRUCTION, INC. FOR THE AMISTAD PARK USEFUL LIFEEXTENSION; AND RELATED 
          [6.  Discuss and consider approving the following Diabetes Contract with Texas A&M University System Health Science Center for FY 2024-2025 in the amount of $1,500.00 from Commissioner Pct 2 Diabetes Funds and all related matters. ]
          MATTERS. >> SECOND. 
          >> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER SIX. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE FOLLOWING DIABETES CONTRACT WITH TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITYSYSTEM HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER FOR 2024-2025 N THE AMOUNT OF $1,500.00 FROM COMMISSIONER PCT2 DIABETES FUND. 
          [7.  Discuss and consider approving 2025 Holiday Calendar, and related matters.]
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ITEM NUMBER 7. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE 2025 HOLIDAY CALENDAR, AND RELATED MATTERS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW HOLIDAYS. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS POSSIBLY ADDING OR IF THERE IS SOMETHING WE CAN REMOVE TO ADD. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING WEDNESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING. I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS PROBABLY DON'T THINK THAT IMPORTANT, BUT FOR WOMEN WHO HAVE TO SHOP OR COOK OR FOR 
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ANYONE TRAVELING, IT IS AN IMPORTANT DAY FOR US. SOME OF YOU DO. YES. BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF US SPEND QUITE A BIT OF THE DAY BEFORE AND IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN HERE THE DAY BEFORE AND THE COURTHOUSE, IT IS PRETTY BARE ANYWAY. SO I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO ADD THE WEDNESDAY TO THIS. 
          >> WHAT IS OFF FOR THANKSGIVING NOW? 
          >> THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. YES. >> MONDAY OFF? NO. JUST THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. BUT PEOPLE TRAVELING USUALLY GO THE DAY 
          BEFORE. SHOPPING AND COOKING. >> OKAY. SO WE ARE GOING TO SHUT A WHOLE ANOTHER DAY THE ENTIRE COUNTY? I MEAN, I THINK 
          WE HAVE THAT -- >> I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COME IN THE DAY BEFORE THIS. ON THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE A HOLIDAY OR SOMETHING. SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE. YEAH. IT IS VERY SKELETON CREW. AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE RULES ARE PENALIZED BECAUSE THE OTHER PEOPLE JUST DO. YES. 
          >> BUT THEY ARE TAKING PTO. IF PEOPLE ARE TAKING PTO AND THEIR DEPARTMENT HEADS OR LETTING THEM TAKE PTO, THEN I THINK WE HAVE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE. 
          >> I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. I EVEN ASKED IF THERE WAS ONE WE COULD TAKE OFF THAT WAS NOT QUITE AS UTILIZED. BUT I WOULDN'T EVEN SUGGEST WHAT DAY THAT WOULD BE. 
          >> MAYBE YOU GO AT NOON. AT OR SOMETHING. 
          >> WEDNESDAY BEFORE -- HE SAID THURSDAY. 
          >> NO. NOON. >> THE DAY BEFORE. YES. BUT YOU CAN ALL VOTE AGAINST IT AND TAKE YOUR OWN TIME. ALL ELECTEDS CAN LET THEIR OWN PEOPLE TAKE OFF ANYTIME THEY WANT TO. I WILL ASK YOU ALL TO COME UP HERE AND LOOK AT 
          SOMETIME. >> THREE. FOUR. FIVE. SIX. 
          >> WELL, NOBODY IS GOING TO ARGUE WITH US IF WE GIVE A HOLIDAY FOR SURE. NOBODY IS GOING TO ARGUE IF WE GIVE THEM 
          OFF. >> THE DAY AFTER THE SUPER BOWL. THEN IF THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION OR WILL TO DO THAT, THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE HOLIDAY CALENDAR AS IS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. SORRY. I 
          [8.  Discuss and consider upcoming Commissioners Court meeting date(s), workshop date(s), and related matters.]
TRIED, GUYS. I ASKED. ITEM NUMBER 8. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE UPCOMING COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING DATES AND WORKSHOP DATES. AND THIS IS NOT NEXT YEAR'S CALENDAR YET. THIS 
          IS JUST THE REST OF THE YEAR. >> MONDAY. 
          [1.  Accept a grant award from the Office of the Governor, Public Safety Office, Criminal Justice Division for the Monitoring Offenders Against Women Project under the Violence Against Women Justice and Training Program, FY2025 (Cash Match).]
          >> IF THERE IS NO CHANGES, THERE IS NO MOTION THERE, MOVING ON TO B 1. GRANTS. ACCEPT A GRANT AWARD FROM THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE, CRIMINAL JUSTICE DIVISION, FOR THE MONITORING OFFENDERS AGAINST WOMEN PROJECT UNDER THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN'S JUSTICE AND TRAINING PROGRAM. THERE IS A GENERAL FUND CASH MATCH OF $12,348.83. 
          THIS WAS A REGULAR ONE WE DO EVERY YEAR. SO I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. YOU ARE 
          [1.  Discuss and consider conditional selection of Progressive Structures, Inc. for Calderon Clinic Upgrades (IFB No. 3290-24); and related matters. Expense to be paid with Commissioner Pct. 2 ARPA funds.]
GOOD. SORRY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM C 1. PURCHASING. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CONDITIONAL SELECTION OF PROGRESSIVE STRUCTURES FOR CALDERON CLINICUPGRADES. AND, MR. ROBINSON, YOU HAVE THE PODIUM. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO DISCUSS? 
          >> NO. >> AND THIS IS PAID FOR WITH THE ARPA FUNDS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME 
          [2.  Discuss and consider conditional selection of Vulcan Construction Materials, LLC for Aggregate Type PB, Grade 4S, LRA (IFB No. 3286-24); and related matters.]
SIGN. THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 2. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CONDITIONAL SELECTION OF VULCAN CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS FOR AGGREGATETYPE PB, GRADE 4A. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. 
          [3.  Discuss and consider conditional selection of Charter Communications Operating, LLC for Internet Service Provider for Nueces County (IFB No. 3288-24); and related matters.]
ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 3. DISCUSS AND 
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CONSIDER THE CONDITIONAL SELECTION OF CHARTER COMMUNICATIONS OPERATING, LLC FOR INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER FOR NUECES COUNTY. THIS IS NOT A NEW THING. 
          >> YES. WE RECEIVED EIGHT BIDS. 
          >> MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL 
          [4.  Discuss and consider conditional selection of Leinneweber Concrete Construction for Hazel Bazemore Culvert Replacement (IFB No. 3296-24); and related matters. Expense to be paid with Inland Parks ARPA funds.]
THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. 
          ITEM NUMBER 4. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CONDITIONAL SELECTION OF LEINNEWEBER CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION FOR HAZEL BAZEMORE 
          CULVERT REPLACEMENT. >> SECOND. 
          [5.  Discuss and consider approving execution of  annual service agreement with American Integrated Solutions for security alarm monitoring, fire alarm monitoring, and inspection services for Coastal Bend State Veterans Cemetery for FY 24/25 in the total amount of $1,350, and related matters.]
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHERS IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 5. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING EXECUTION OF ANNUAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH AMERICAN INTEGRATED SOLUTIONS FOR SECURITY ALARM MONITORING, FIRE ALARM MONITORING, AND INSPECTION SERVICES FOR COASTAL 
          BEND STATE VETERANS CEMETERY. >> SECOND. 
          [1.  Discuss and consider approving the removal of fixed assets from the Nueces County inventory system for departments that replaced their IT equipment due to expired warranty or non-operational and for assets not located during inventory. ]
          >> C'EST AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM D. THE AUDITOR. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE REMOVAL OF FIXED ASSETS FROM THE NUECES COUNTY INVENTORYSYSTEM FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT REPLACED THEIR I.T. 
          EQUIPMENT DUE TO EXPIRED WARRANTY OR NON-OPERATIONALAND FOR ASSETS NOT LOCATED DURING INVENTORY. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH I.T. I.T. IS IN THE PROCESS OF WIPING THE DRIVES, AND IF THEY CAN BE SOLD AND AUCTIONED, THEY WILL BE. OTHERWISE, THEY NEED TO BE SOLD. THERE IS A LONG LIST OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE BUT THIS 
          IS THE POLICY. >> YES. I MAKE THE MOTION TO 
          PASS. >> SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          >> WHEN YOU SAY THEY WILL BE DISPOSED, YOU MEAN THEY MAY END 
          UP BEING DISPOSED? >> UNFORTUNATELY, YES. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, 
          [2.  Approve Budget Amendment No. 15 for Fiscal Year 2023-2024.]
COMMISSIONER MAREZ WAS THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 2. 
          APPROVE BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER 15 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024. 
          >> YES, YOUR HONOR. THERE'S ONLY ONE DEPARTMENT THAT REQUESTED A BUDGET CHANGE FOR THIS PARTICULAR EVENT AND THAT IS A PIECE OF PRECINCT 52. THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT SHORT OF SUPPLIES. THEY HAVE MATERIALS THAT THEY CAN TRANSFER THE FUNDS. WE REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND SUBMIT IT FOR APPROVAL. 
          >> SO MOVED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND 
          [3.  Approve the Monthly Financial Report for Fiscal Year 2023-2024 for the eleven months ending August 31, 2024.]
HERNANDEZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 3. APPROVE THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 FOR THE ELEVEN MONTHS 
          ENDING AUGUST 31, 2024. >> YES. WE WENT TO MY STAFF AND WENT TO THE PROCESS OF FIXING THOSE AREAS THAT WE KNOW OF, BUT THERE COULD BE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE CONTINUE MONITORING AND WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE DONE. THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN MODIFIED. WE SHOW ABOUT $108 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE. 
          ABOUT $5 MILLION WORTH OF EXPENSE. SO WE KIND OF FIGURE THIS IS A VERY, VERY, VERY TIGHT YEAR. ABOUT ONE WE GET TO THE PROCESS OF THE ACTUAL NUMBERS, WE ARE SENDING ABOUT 25% UNUSED FUNDS FOR THE MOMENT AND WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 9% OF THE YEAR. HOPEFULLY WE WILL COME BACK WITH 95-96% OF OUR EXPENDITURE USE. THROUGH SEPTEMBER WE TRY TO GET THOSE PROCESSES PAID FOR THROUGH THE YEAR AS WELL AS THE INVOICES THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS. WE SUBMIT THE REQUEST OF THIS MONTHLY REPORT FOR YOU FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST AND THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER VERY SOON. OTHERWISE, SEPTEMBER WILL BE NOT FULL BECAUSE THEY STILL NEED TO BE AUDITED. 
          >> DOES THIS -- AND DID AND I ASKED THIS THE OTHER DAY. DOES 
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DISCLOSE OFFICIALLY AT THE END OF NOVEMBER? 
          >> SOMETIMES, WE GET INVOICES A LATE PROVIDED EVEN THOUGH THE GOODS AND SERVICES WERE DONE IN SEPTEMBER. WE TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN. BECAUSE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE AUDITORS. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE RECORD ALIVE EXPENSES IN THE PROPER MONTH AND NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER OR NOVEMBER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CATCH AS MUCH AS WE CAN. IT IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, BUT THAT IS USUALLY AS FAR AS WE 
          GO. >> THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REMIND OUR DEPARTMENT ELECTEDS, AS WELL AS DEPARTMENT HEADS, IF YOU HAVE ANY INVOICES TO GET WITH YOUR VENDORS OR WHATEVER, PLEASE ASK THEM TO SUBMIT THOSE. WE REALLY NEED TO CLOSE THOSE OUT AND SURPRISES LATER ON DO NOT HELP US. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING INVOICES WITH YOU ARE A ELECTED INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT HEAD, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CONTACT THEM AND GET THOSE SUBMITTED AS SOON AS 
          POSSIBLE. >> SO THE ITEMS YOU EITHER TALK SERVICES FOR OUR PURCHASING THINGS FROM. MAKE SURE YOU WORK 
          WITH YOUR VENDORS. >> YES. ABSOLUTELY. AND I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS THEM. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          >> DISCUSSION. >> YES. GO AHEAD. 
          >> I AM AT THE POINT WHERE I AM NOT APPROVING THIS. I HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE BUDGET ALL YEAR LONG. CHANGES AND CHANGES AND CHANGES. WE WENT TO THE LAST-MINUTE. THERE WERE SOME ERRORS HERE THAT WE HAVE GOT TO CORRECT. NOW, I HAVE ALWAYS DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE NUMBERS OR WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US AND THE OUTCOMES AND THE REVENUES AND A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT I AM JUST NOT REALLY CLEAR WITH AND I AM NOT HAPPY WITH THE BUDGET FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. AND I AM NOT GIVING IT TODAY. IT IS TOTALLY ALL OVER THE PLACE WHERE THE MONEY HAS CAME FROM OR WHEN. FOR SOME REASON, I THINK THE BUDGET THE WHOLE YEAR HAS BEEN VERY, VERY UNSTABLE. AND IT WAS NOT CORRECTLY PRESENTED TO US, SO I AM GOING TO GO WITH NO. 
          >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU HAD A COMMENT AS WELL? 
          >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING, BASICALLY. IT IS UNADJUSTED AND I SHARE THE CAN SEEM CONCERNS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO MAYBE TABLED THIS AND GET IT BACK WITH A LITTLE MORE. BUT I MEAN THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          >> AND I DEFINITELY WILL RETRACT MY MOTION. THERE IS NO NECESSARY REASON WHY WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE INFORMATION AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS IN TO APPROVE. IS THERE A -- WOULD YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE, DALE, ABOUT WHY THIS IS? MARCH 2025. I THINK THAT WAS THE ALARMING PART FOR A LOT WHEN 
          THEY SAW THIS. >> EXCUSE ME, JUDGE. 
          >> YES? >> IF WE WERE TO TABLE THIS, THAT WOULD GIVE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BRING IN ALL THE OTHER INVOICES. 
          >> THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE DEADLINE FOR THE DEPARTMENT HAD. THEY STILL HAVE UNTIL NOVEMBER BUT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO REACH OUT. WE ARE HOPING THEY DO THAT RIGHT NOW AS IT IS. THAT IS THE REASON I MADE THE COMMENT. THAT IS THE REASON WE WILL HAVE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS IF WE GET THOSE ACTUAL INVOICES IN SO THEY CAN BE RECONCILED. A LONGER, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GOT THEIR PEACOCK NOTICE FROM THE DEPARTMENT THAT THOSE NEED TO BE RECONCILED. ALL OF THAT STUFF COINCIDES WITH THE END OF THE YEAR AND THE ACTUAL BALANCES MOVING FORWARD. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL. I HOPE YOU PAID ATTENTION. BECAUSE IF THEY ARE NOT RECONCILED IN THE FUTURE, YOUR P-CARDS WILL BE TURNED OFF. AND, DALE, I KNOW YOU HAVE A QUESTION. YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT? 
          >> I KNOW WE DO THE AUDIT ONCE A YEAR. NOW, WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THERE IS ALWAYS A CHANCE FOR ERRORS BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE CODES AN INVOICE, THEY MAY HAVE CODED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. MAYBE IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY. MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THIS CATEGORY. MAYBE POSTED THROUGH PAYROLL WRONG. MAYBE THE BALANCE BUT SOMETHING WITH THE PAYROLL OR 
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HR OR OUR DEPARTMENT. SO THERE IS ALWAYS A CHANCE OF ERRORS. 
          THE REPORT IS, IF WE RAN THIS TOMORROW THE NUMBERS COULD BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A FINALIZED REPORT. 
          >> AND I THINK THE CONCERN IS LEGITIMATE WITH WHAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS PAST MONTH. SO I WOULD REMOVE MY MOTION. AND, ACTUALLY, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THEN. 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          >> AYE. >> AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. GOING BACK TO ITEM 3. A. 3. DID YOU SPEAK TO MCGRIFF 
          ABOUT OUR ISSUE? >> I DID. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO GIVE THEM UNTIL 11:30 AND THEY WILL BE ON THE CALL FOR 
          US. >> WHAT TIME IS IT? 10:30. I GUESS WE WILL GO TO EXECUTIVE AND THEN BRING IT BACK. 
          >> I WILL ALSO VERIFY THAT THE DISTRICT INSURANCE IS NOT 
          DISCONTINUED. >> THEY ARE CURRENT. THEY ARE 
          STILL CURRENT RIGHT NOW. >> I HAVE INSTRUCTED MY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE EXTERNAL AGENCIES THAT WERE DIRECTED TO BE REMOVED IN THE PLAN ARE DONE TO THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WILL STAY ON THE PLAN. AS PER YOUR INSTRUCTIONS, WE ARE AWAITING YOUR DECISION ON THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT. 
          >> THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO. OKAY. I GUESS WE WILL BRING THIS BACK AFTER EXECUTIVE. WE WILL GO ON IN TO EXECUTIVE NOW. 
          [4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.]
IS THERE ANYTHING I MISSED? DOES ANYONE WANT TO CATCH ME BEFORE WE GO? ITEM 4. EXECUTIVE SESSION. PUBLIC NOTICES GIVEN THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY ELECT TO GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ANYTIME DURING THE MEETING TO DISCUSS MATTERS LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA, WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 551 OF THETEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. TO THE EXTENT THERE HAS BEEN A PAST PRACTICE OF DISTINGUISHING ITEMS FOR PUBLIC DELIBERATION AND THOSE FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE PUBLIC IS ADVISED THAT THE COURT IS DEPARTING FROM THAT PRACTICE, AND RESERVES THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS ANY LISTED AGENDA ITEMS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO DO SO. IN THE EVENT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ELECTS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING AN AGENDA ITEM, THE SECTION OR SECTIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE, VERNON S TEXAS CODES, SECTIONS 551.071, 551.072, 551.073,551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS INCLUDING MATTERS RELATED TO LITIGATION; DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, PROSPECTIVE GIFTS, PERSONNEL MATTERS, INCLUDING TERMINATION, COUNTY ADVISORY BODIES,SECURITY DEVICES, AND/OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. UPON COMPLETION OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY IN AN OPEN SESSION TAKE SUCH ACTION AS APPROPRIATE ON ITEMS DISCUSSED IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. ITEM 3. A. IS DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, OR DISMISSAL OF THE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR AND TAKE IN OPEN SESSION IF NEEDED. TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE ÷551.074 . IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF WHERE WE MIGHT NEED TO DISCUSS 
          THAT? >> YES. YOU SHOULD ALLOW THE 
          POSSIBILITY. >> I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT. 
          YEAH. >> THE DD2 INSURANCE QUESTION. 
          >> AND ALSO WE WILL BRING IN 3A3. DRAINAGE DISTRICT NUMBER 2. CELL SERVICES AND ALL RELATED MATTERS. THAT WOULD BE 
          55071. >> YES. 
          >> IT IS 10:48. AND WE ARE 
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          >> WE ARE READY TO GO. WE ARE GOING TO DO THE OTHER ITEM 1ST. 
          WE ARE -- IT IS 12:35 AND WE ARE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION BRINGING UP ITEM 3A THREE . THIS IS DISGUSTING CONSIDER RESENDING THE COURT ACTION REGARDING THE NUECES COUNTY DRAINAGE SYSTEM NUMBER TWO. I BELIEVE WE HAVE MR. BASS ONLINE . THERE WAS A CLARIFICATION, WE ASKED AND HE WAS GOING TO GIVE US THAT. MR. BASS, I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE ON. 
          >> AFTERNOON, JUDGE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          >> THE CLARIFICATION WE WERE ASKING, CAN YOU GIVE US THAT HERE WE WANTED TO HEAR IT IN COURT. 
          >> I'M SORRY, I DID NOT HEAR YOU WELL ENOUGH CAN YOU REPEAT 
          THE QUESTION ? >> CLARIFICATION ON WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON OR OFF. THERE YOU STATED IT IS A COURT DECISION. THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS . WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU IN THE COURTROOM THAT THAT IS YOUR OPINION AS WELL. 
          >> YES , AS A SELF-FUNDED PLAN, THE COURT IS THE PLANNED SPONSOR AND THE COURT CONTROLS THE ELIGIBILITY IN WHICH YOU SHARE WITH YOUR VENDORS , IN THIS CASE LOU CHAPMAN WOULD BE YOUR MEDICAL TPA. THE COURT HAS DISCRETION ON HOW OFTEN TO SEND ELIGIBILITY AND WHEN TO TERM. THERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES THAT I AM SURE BOONE CHAPMAN WOULD HAVE . REALLY, THE CONTROL OVER WHO IS COVERED, WHEN THEY TERMINATE , WHEN THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IS SUBJECT TO THE COURT AND GUIDED BY PLAN DOCUMENTS. I THINK THE COURT HAS DISCRETION IN THIS MATTER AND CAN MAKE WHATEVER DECISION THEY WANT WITH RESPECT TO THE 
          DRAINAGE DISTRICT. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU WANT ANSWERED IN HERE? I THINK THAT CLARIFIES FOR US. WE APPRECIATE YOU GETTING ON. I KNOW YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE. IF YOU NEED TO RUN, THAT WAS OUR ONLY QUESTION. I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A MOTION NEXT . 
          >> HAPPY TO HELP. THANK YOU. ANY TIME . 
          >> MY MOTION IS TO RESEND COURT ACTION REGARDING OUTSIDE ENTITY OF NUECES DRAINAGE DISTRICT NUMBER TWO WISHING TO CONTINUE DISSIPATION IN THE NUECES COUNTY EMPLOYEE SELF-FUNDED GROUP HEALTH PROGRAM FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 ENDING ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2025. THAT IS MY MOTION. 
          >> IS THERE A SECOND ? THERE BEING NONE , WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION, COMMISSIONER ? OR DOES ANYONE 
          ELSE LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION ? >> MOTION THAT WE AT LEAST ALLOW A 90 DAY EXTENSION TO ALLOW THEM TO FIND SOMETHING 
          ELSE. >> THAT WOULD BE ENDING DECEMBER 31ST AT THE END OF THIS YEAR? 
          >> DECEMBER 31ST , 2024. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE UNTIL DECEMBER 31, 2024 , DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND . THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND DISCUSSION. YES, SIR. 
          >> THANK YOU. I ASK THE COURT TO EXTEND AS MUCH TIME POSSIBLE ON THIS MOTION. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BEFORE COMMISSIONER GONZALES JUMPED IN AND ASKED FOR SIX MONTHS . I THINK THAT IS A GOOD HAPPY, WELL NOT HAPPY, BUT A GOOD MIDDLE POINT FOR US TO AGREE ON TO ALLOW THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO GO OUT AND SECURE THEIR OWN INSURANCE . I WOULD JUST ASK THE COURT TO CONSIDER THAT. IF THERE IS ANYONE ELSE THAT WEIGHS IN, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. IF ANYONE FEELS SIX MONTHS IS A GOOD MIDDLE POINT , THEN I WOULD ASK THAT WE REJECT 
          THIS MOTION AND PURSUE THAT. >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> WHILE I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THE 20 INDIVIDUALS IN REGARDS TO DRAINAGE DISTRICT NUMBER TWO. MY JOB IS TO REPRESENT THE 1100 MEMBERS , EMPLOYEES OF NUECES COUNTY THAT ARE ON OUR 
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
          CANNOT SUPPORT THAT . >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION , THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM HAS BEEN PAYING INTO THIS PLAN. IT IS NOT LIKE THIS IS A FREEBIE OR A GIVEAWAY . THE ISSUE IS LIABILITY. 
          LET'S FACE IT , WE VOTE ON THINGS ALWAYS THAT HAVE AN ESSENCE OF LIABILITY WHETHER WE CAN GET IT COVERED . WE DO NOT HAVE ALL OF OUR FACILITIES COVERED IN NUECES COUNTY , GOD FORBID WE HAVE SOME SORT OF NATURAL DISASTER THAT WOULD OCCUR , WE DO NOT HAVE ALL OF OUR FACILITIES COVERED . WE ARE HOPING AND PRAYING THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN SO WE DO NOT GET STUCK IN A FINANCIAL HOLD WITH ALL THE LIABILITY THAT WE HAVE LEFT TO COVER. THE ISSUE AND THE ARGUMENT , IF IT'S ABOUT LIABILITY , IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE . IT IS ALMOST EVERY MAJOR DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE. I HAVE BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE HERE , BUT LET'S FACE IT, MEMBERS OF THE COURT BROUGHT UP CONCERNS ABOUT THE PEER. THERE IS LIABILITY THERE. 
          I WOULD SAY, I GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIABILITY, IT IS EVERYWHERE, WE ARE EXPOSED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, WE ARE EXPOSED AT DIFFERENT TIMES WHEN EMPLOYEES COULD BE NEGLIGENT , OR EVEN AN ACCIDENT THAT WE HAVE TO PAY OUT WHEN IT IS NOT EVEN NECESSARILY OUR FAULT, BUT IF SOME SORT OF ACCIDENT HAPPENS ON OUR FACILITY WE ARE LIABLE . THAT ESSENCE OF LIABILITY IS THERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ISSUE IS. I GET YOUR CONCERN , THIS GROUP HAS BEEN AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT FOR MANY YEARS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE EMMA THROUGH SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIONS, THROUGH SEVERAL COMMISSIONS AND COMMISSION REPORTS AND THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ACCEPTED AND AGREED TO BY THE COURT. I GET THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A COST-SAVING MEASURE. MY CONCERN IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE ARE GIVEN. I FEEL 90 DAYS WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE ENOUGH. I WOULD ASK FOR THE SIX-MONTH MARK , I THINK THAT IS MIDDLE GROUND THAT IS REASONABLE . I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WITH NO ONE SECONDING MY MOTION, I THINK SIX MONTHS WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. MY ABILITY, WE ARE FACING IT EVERY DAY. I GET YOUR POINT , IT IS EVERYWHERE, COMMISSIONER , IT IS NOT JUST IN THIS INSTANCE . ONCE AGAIN THIS IS NOT A FREEBIE , THIS IS A PLAN THAT THE EMPLOYEES AND THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT HAVE BEEN A PART OF AND AN ACTIVE MEMBER FOR YEARS AND THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO THAT. I DON'T WANT TO GET TAXPAYERS EXCITED AND WORRIED THAT WE ARE GIVING AWAY EXTRA SERVICES AND INSURANCE TO A GROUP THAT IS NOT PART OF US. 
          IT IS A BIGGER POOL AND WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL ENTITIES THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE A PART OF. LIABILITY IS EVERYWHERE . 
          >> COMMISSIONER, SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE PEER , I WANT TO 
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT. THERE IS A DISTINCTION THAT YOU ARE MISSING AND THAT IS OUR PEER, THOSE ARE OUR EMPLOYEES. THE LIABILITY THAT WE ARE TAKING ON OUR OUR ASSETS AND OUR EMPLOYEES IN THESE ART. I HAD TO TELL MY ESD AND MY PRECINCT SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT THEY COULD NOT GET ON THIS PLAN . THERE HAS BEEN INEQUITY IN THIS AND I AM A PART OF IT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN A STRONGER ADVOCATE THEN, I DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES TO DO IT THEN . IT HAS BEEN AN EQUITABLE POSITION THAT THE DISTRICT HAS BEEN IN FOR YEARS, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT WAS DONE WHEN OTHERS COULDN'T. EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE ON THE COUNTY INSURANCE BECAUSE THIS 475,000 STOP LOSS THAT PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. YOUR SUPPORT ON THE PEER AND WHY IT KEEPS BEING BROUGHT UP BY PEOPLE WHEN IT IS NOT PERTINENT TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE DAY YOU HAVE BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER. IT IS EVERYWHERE BUT IT IS OUR STUFF. WE HAVE LIABILITY IN THE JAIL EVERY DAY WITH CASES BUT IT IS OUR JAIL. WE HAVE LIABILITY THAT HAPPENS IN THE COURTHOUSE EVERY DAY. WE HAVE LIABILITY WHEN OUR EMPLOYEES ARE OUT THERE AND THEY MAKE MISTAKES AND THEY ARE SUED BUT THEY ARE OUR EMPLOYEES. TAKE ON LIABILITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT OUR EMPLOYEES AND NOT OUR ASSETS AND NOT ANY WAY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS OTHER THAN ASSESS OASIS COUNTY, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A FAIR COMPARISON WE TALK ABOUT OTHER AREAS OF LIABILITY. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS BEEN AN INITIATIVE THAT I HAVE STARTED AND TAKEN ON BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE COUNTY HAS TO MAKE CUTS AND WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE DECISIONS. 
          THIS HAS GONE ON FOR MANY YEARS. WERE IT NOT FOR THE MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE OUT OF MY OFFICE AND HAD WE NOT RECEIVED A LETTER I WOULD VOTE AGAINST THIS TODAY. I WOULD VOTE TODAY BECAUSE OF THAT IN THE NOTICE GIVEN I THINK IT IS A GREAT CONCESSION TO GIVE THEM 90 DAYS. I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER GONZALES FOR MAKING THAT EFFORT AS WELL I THINK IN LIGHT OF THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING THE LAST TWO YEARS, THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING IN THE FUTURE NO MATTER IF WE DID IT IN THE PAST OR HOW MANY YEARS WE DID IT IN THE PAST, WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THIS KIND OF THING. WE MADE THE MISTAKE SO I WILL VOTE YES FOR 90 DAYS. THIS IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY NOT NUECES COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY. 
          >> I WILL POINT BACK TO THE EXAMPLES I USE BEFORE. 
          PARTNERSHIP SHOULD NOT BE SEEN AS A NEGATIVE. IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE THERE HAVE BEEN PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND CITIES THAT HAVE INCREASED THEIR INSURANCE POOL. I GUARANTEE YOU IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY , DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR AND JANUARY 25 WE WILL GO OUT ON THE STREET FOR A NEW BID FOR INSURANCE, CONSULTING, ANCILLARY , EVERYTHING WE HAVE THREE I GUARANTEE YOU WILL GET A BETTER RATE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE A PART OF THE POOL. IT IS NOT A NEGATIVE WE ARE PAYING EXTRA , YOU BALANCE IT OUT AND YOU MAKE IT EQUAL . WE HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN ABLE TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO HAVE A RESPONSE TO THIS TODAY. TO BE ABLE TO LET THEM SAY WE ARE WILLING TO DO THE SAME PARTNERSHIP THAT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS ABLE TO COVER. WE HAVE ALL ESTABLISHED THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO COVER ANY LIABILITY. PERHAPS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT WOULD CONSIDER , THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME BACK AND RESPOND TO THAT. HAVING HEARD THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME AFTER RECEIVING LEGAL UPDATES AT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION . THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING -- 
          >> RESPECTFULLY, THEY DID GET THE LETTER AND THEY HAVE NOT 
          CONTACTED US. >> ZERO CONTACT. ZERO CONTACT . 
          THEY HAVE NOT COME HERE, THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED , THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HERE . THEY HAVE NOT EVEN COME HERE TO ASK JOHN AND THEY DID NOT COME MAKE THE CASE. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT DID THEY REACHED OUT AND SAID WE WILL COVER THAT AND WE WILL DO IT AND WE WILL PUT THAT IN WRITING, WE KNOW THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT CAN AFFORD IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MILLIONS IN RESERVES I WOULD HAVE GLADLY ENTERTAINED THAT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME HAD THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT SHOWN UP ONE TIME TO MAKE THAT REQUEST YOU HAVE BEEN AN INCREDIBLE ADVOCATE YOU HAVE BUSTED YOUR BUTT FOR THEM AND I HOPE THEY APPRECIATE IT. THE ONLY REASON THIS IS ON HERE IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE GONE OUT AND PUT YOURSELF ON THE LINE FOR THEM AND THEY DO NOT EVEN SHOW UP. I KNOW THEY ARE WATCHING AND THEY ARE SEEING THIS AND THEY WILL NOT LIKE ME AGAIN. MY RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT TO THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT, IT IS FOR THE NUECES COUNTY CONSTITUENTS 
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AND TO THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT YEAR. YOU ARE THE REASON WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU ARE A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THEM I APPRECIATE THAT. MY DISDAIN RIGHT NOW IS FOR THIS PART OF THIS PROCESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BUSTED YOUR BUTT FOR THEM AND THEY DO NOT EVEN SHOW UP . IT IS REALLY HARD TO HAVE ANY CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY DO NOT EVEN SHOW UP TO ARGUE THIS. 
          THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY DON'T. 
          I AM FRUSTRATED. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT STEPPED UP AND SAID WE GET IT. WE UNDERSTAND IT. WE WILL WORK WITH YOU AND DO IT. 
          THEY HAVE HAD THIS FOR A LONG TIME. IT IS NOT FAIR TO DO THIS WITH YOU BEING THE ONLY ADVOCATE FOR IT. I HOPE LIKE HECK THEY ARE WATCHING HOW STRONG YOU FOUGHT FOR THEM BECAUSE NOBODY HAS COME FROM THE DRAINAGE -- WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS? I LIKE THEM , I WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE THEY DID NOT EVEN COME FOR THIS. IT IS A BIT FRUSTRATING AND I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING HARD FOR THEM. YOU HAVE DONE A OF A JOB 
          FOR THEM . >> COMMISSIONER GONZALES . 
          >> I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES. I THINK FROM NOT HAVING ANY EXTENSION TO HAVING 90 DAYS IT IS A GOOD THING . I THINK -- I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I EXPECT SOMEONE TO BE HERE TO TELL US WE NEED TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOU NEED TO WORK WITH US . THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED THAT I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN, THEY WERE TEXTING BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE IN PERSON AND THEY WEREN'T. I KNEW THEY KNEW BEFORE THAT THIS WAS COMING UP AND THIS IS SOMETHING -- WE WILL GO A YEAR , OPENED THE DOOR TO ALL OF THIS AND THEN CLOSE THE DOOR AND THEN GO BACK AND OPEN THE DOOR AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT. THE LIABILITY MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE WHOLE THING. I THINK IT IS JUST FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOL FOLLOWING THE PROCESS. I DON'T THINK THEY FOLLOWED THE PROCESS AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          >> I THINK 90 DAYS VERSUS ZERO DAYS IS A GOOD POINT FOR THEM TO GOT TO SEE WHAT ELSE THEY CAN FIND. NOT THAT MANY EMPLOYEES HOPEFULLY THEY CAN FIND SOMETHING . 
          >> I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COURT THAT THE DISPLAY ON THE LIVE STREAM STILL SAYS EXECUTIVE SESSION . 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ALLOW THE 90 DAYS FOR THIS TO END DECEMBER 31, 2024 , IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE . FOUR AYES AND ONE NO. THE MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO OUR EXECUTIVE ITEM FOUR A. 
          >> I THINK YOU HAVE THE MOTION. 
          >> PURSUANT TO THE DECISION OF ARE THEY WISHING THAT THIS BE CONDUCTED IN CLOSED SESSION, WE CONDUCTED THE EVALUATION AND FIND THAT THE DUTIES AS HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR I MAKE A MOTION TO ASSIST THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THE PERFORATION OF DOCUMENT TO MR. IN ACCORDANCE OF CHAPTER 7 OF THE HR MANUAL. 
          AS A MOTION. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND ? COMMISSIONER GONZALES? YES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE . ANY 
          OPPOSED ? MOTION PASSES . >> ARE THERE ANY ADJOURNMENTS AND MEMORY ? I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL THE ACTION WE HAVE FOR TODAY. THERE BEING NONE, IT IS 12:54 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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