[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:08] >> AND ASK THAT... ACTUALLY, I SHOULD ASK, DO WE HAVE A PASTOR THIS MORNING? WE DO. WELCOME. I'M GOING TO ASK ALL TO RISE FOR INVOCATION. AND TO PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE TEXAS FLAG. >> DYLAN THOMAS CALLED IT THE FORCE THAT THROUGH THE GREEN FUSE DRIVES THE FLOWER. WHATEVER YOUR BELIEFS, MAY MY PRAYER THIS MORNING RING TRUE. LET US PRAY. IN THIS CENTURY, AND IN ANY CENTURY, OUR DEEPEST HOPE, OUR MOST TENDER PRAYER IS THAT WE LEARN TO LISTEN. MAY WE LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER IN OPENNESS AND MERCY. MAY WE LISTEN TO PLANTS AND ANIMALS IN WONDER AND RESPECT. MAY WE LISTEN TO OUR OWN HEARTS IN LOVE AND FORGIVENESS. MAY WE LISTEN IN QUIETNESS AND IN AWE. AND IN THIS LISTENING WHICH IS BOUNDLESS IN ITS BEAUTY, MAY WE FIND THE WISDOM TO COOPERATE WITH A HEALING SPIRIT, A DIVINE SPIRIT WHO BECKONS US INTO PEACE AND COMMUNITY AND CREATIVITY. WE DO NOT ASK FOR A PERFECT WORLD, BUT WE DO ASK FOR A BETTER WORLD. WE ASK FOR DEEP LISTENING. AMEN. AND AMEN. >> AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. >> FOR THE CLERK, THE TIME IS 8:42 A.M. AND I WOULD NOTE AS WELL THAT WE ARE IN THE NUECES COUNTY COURTHOUSE, THIRD FLOOR, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ROOM. IT IS SEPTEMBER 14, 2022. AND ALL COMMISSIONERS WILL ACTUALLY... HE JUST WALKED OUT, BUT I KNOW HE IS HERE. ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AS WELL AS, OBVIOUSLY, MYSELF. THEREFORE, I DO CERTIFY AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER HAS A QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. I'LL MOVE NOW TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT ON DISCLOSURES OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OR APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST SHALL BE DECLARED AT THIS TIME. MEMBERS WITH CONFLICTS WILL REFRAIN FROM VOTING AND ARE ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM DISCUSSION ON SUCH ITEMS. CONFLICTS DISCOVERED LATER IN THE MEETING SHALL BE DISCLOSED. AT THIS TIME. ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS TO REVEAL? [E. SAFETY BRIEFING] OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL MOVE TO REBECCA RAMIREZ. WHO WILL GIVE US A SAFETY BRIEFING. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GIVE HER YOUR ATTENTION. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. >> JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, AND ATTENDEES, OUR SAFETY BRIEFING FOR TODAY, SEPTEMBER 14, IS BEING HELD IN THE NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURTROOM. THE REST ROOMS ARE LOCATED ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE THIRD FLOOR ATRIUM, PAST THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE. THERE IS A FIRE EXTINGUISHER LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE COURTROOM AND ALSO FIVE ADDITIONAL FIRE EXTINGUISHERS LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE ATRIUM AREA. IN THE EVENT OF A CARDIAC EMERGENCY, ON THE RIGHT WALL NEXT TO HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE. PARTICIPANTS FOR TODAY WILL BE CONNIE. IN THE EVENT OF EVACUATION, PROCEED OUT THE DOORS LOCATED ON THE LOPAN STREET SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE. AND ASSEMBLE IN THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET. IT IS IMPORTANT TO STAY TOGETHER. SHOULD THERE BE A NEED TO SHELTER IN PLACE, DEPENDING UPON THE SEVERITY OF THE SHELTER IN PLACE, THE COURTROOM DOUBLE DOORS WILL BE SECUREDDED A AND REMAIN SECURE UNTIL GIVEN FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. AND THAT IS OUR SAFETY. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AT THIS TIME, I'LL MOVE THE [F. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.] PUBLIC COMMENT. I DO HAVE A FEW HERE SIGNED UP IN THE COURTROOM. BUT ALSO WOULD ASK THAT IF ANYBODY ON-LINE WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, ALL WE NEED IS [00:05:05] YOUR VIRTUAL HAND. THE ICON OF THE HAND TO BE RAISED. WE WILL CALL ON YOU AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT JOINED US IN THE COURTROOM, WE WELCOME YOU TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND ASK THAT YOU TAKE THE PODIUM WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME. THERE IS A THREE-MINUTE DIGITAL CLOCK. JUST TO HELP YOU KEEP TIME. IT WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT IS THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE HERE. IN COURT. TRY NEVER TO CUT ANYBODY OFF. JUST KEEP THOUGHTFUL REMINDER ABOUT THE RESPECTFULNESS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTARY. AND WITH THAT, I'LL ALSO REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS THE TIME WHERE WE DON'T ENGAGE BACK, BUT I PROMISE YOU WE ARE LISTENING VERY CLOSELY IN THAT BEAUTIFUL WORDS BY OUR PASTOR, LISTENING. WE WILL LISTEN VERY CLOSELY. IF THERE IS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT RELATES TO YOUR COMMENT, REST ASSURED, WE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING IT AT THAT TIME. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL BEGIN, AND THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE IS... I'M GOING TO TRY. IS IT EGNATOWSKI. GREG, WELCOME. YES, SIR. >> CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? >> I'M GOING TO ASK...S IF A FUNNY MICROPHONE. SEE IF YOU CAN MOVE IT UP. >> IS THAT BETTER? >> MUCH BETTER, SIR. >> OKAY. AWESOME. WELL, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. AND COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. >> I WOULD ASK AND INFORM THE COURT... PLEASE KEEP THE COMMENTS VERY GENERAL AND NOTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT ANY BIDDING PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE DISCLOSESSED DURING THIS TIME. >> OKAY. >> YES. >> A GOOD PRECAUTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LY MAKE SURE I DO THAT. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU FOR LETTING ME SAY A FEW WORDS. LY KEEP IT BRIEF. MY NAME IS GREG. I'M FROM WORK DAY. I LIVE NEAR TEXAS. MY ADDRESS IS 2704 GRIMES RANCH ROAD. A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THE COUNTY. NEAR AUSTIN, BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE ERP MODERNIZATION PROJECT THAT IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND I WANT TO SHARE A FEW IMPORTANT TOPICS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE COURT'S CONSIDERATION. FIRST, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE AND SAY THANK YOU IN PERSON FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS IMPORTANT AND STRATEGIC PROJECT. AND IT IS A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT THAT COUNTY IS LOOKING AT MAKING , AND IT IS TYPICALLY, ONLY EVALUATED EVERY 10-15 YEARS. IT TOUCHES EVERYBODY, INCLUDING LEADERSHIP, EMPLOYEES, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CONSTITUENTS OF THIS GREAT COUNTY. CHOOSING THE RIGHT PARTNER IS CRITICAL FOR SUCCESS. LAST WEEK, I DID MAKE A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE FOUR AREAS THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE... FOCUS ON IN THESE TYPE OF EVALUATIONS. FIRST IS THE FUNCTIONAL AND TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS WHICH I WON'T GO TOO DEEP INTO. I THINK THEY SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. THE VALUE OR RETURN ON INVESTMENT, REFERENCES, REFERENCES ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AS THEIR EXPERIENCE WILL BE YOUR EXPERIENCE. I HOPE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THIS PROJECT. AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF WHAT WE PROVIDE AND WHAT WE OFFER AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH OTHER CITIES, STATES, AND COUNTIES ACROSS THE U.S. PROUD OF OUR 97% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION RATE, AND WE HOPE THAT, AGAIN, AS YOU EVALUATE THIS CRITICAL PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY, YOU THINK ABOUT FUNCTIONALITY, TECHNICAL SECURITY REQUIREMENTS, REFERENCES, THE VALUE THAT THE COUNTY WILL GET, AND ULTIMATELY, THE COST. I HOPE YOU FIND THIS USEFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE WISH THE COUNTY THE BEST. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE... IS IT TED MOFFIT? >> MORRIS. >> MORRIS. THANK YOU. I TRY MY BEST TO READ THE WRITING. I APOLOGIZE. WELCOME, MR. MORRIS. >> THANK YOU. YES. MY NAME IS TED MORRIS. SORRY. MY MOTHER TOLD ME I SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DOCTOR WITH MY WRITING. I LIVE ON THE ISLAND. 15869. ABOUT A MILE FROM THE PIER. THAT IS WHAT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TODAY. SOME THOUGHTS ON. THAT I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME BACK-AND-FORTH AND INVESTIGATION OF THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS FOR OUR COUNTY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOME OF MY OPINIONS WITH YOU. I HAVE ATTENDED SOME OF THE PARKS BOARDS MEETINGS. [00:10:05] THERE ARE SOME LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS THERE. THEY HAVE COME OUT WITH A UNANIMOUS DECISION ON MY SIDE. HERE ARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FOUNDATION IS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS ENGINEERED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WILL SUPPORT A SECOND FLOOR. I AM PRO-SECOND FLOOR. THAT IS MY STANCE. FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS. IN ADDITION, NO ADDITIONAL FOOTPRINT IS NEEDED WHICH WOULD DELAY THE CONSTRUCTION DUE TO RED TAPE PERMITTING. THERE WOULD BE INITIAL PERMITTING. I'M GOING TO SPEED THROUGH SOME OF. THIS MY TIME IS TWINDLING. THERE ARE MANY VIABLE REASONS FOR APPROVING THE BILL TO THE SECOND STORY. SECOND STORY WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE ISLAND BECAUSE THERE ARE LIMITED VENUES WITH THE CLOSING OF THE BOND FACILITY. THIS WILL ALSO, BY HAVING A SECOND BUILD, WILL ALSO PROMOTE AND BOLSTER TOURISM FOR EVENTS SUCH AS MUSIC EVENTS, DESTINATION WEDDINGS, CHARITABLE FUND-RAISING EVENTS, COMMUNITY CLUB MEETINGS, AND A LIST GOES ON. IT WILL ALSO BECOME A LANDMARK LIKE NO OTHER ALONG THE AREA OF THE GULF COAST. WE LIVE ON THE LONGEST BARRIER ISLAND IN THE U.S., POSSIBLY THE WORLD, AND WHAT BETTER BEAUTIFUL BUILDING TO HAVE RIGHT THERE FOR ALL THE VISITORS AND AS WELL AS THE NUECES COUNTY CITIZENS TO APPRECIATE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PIER WAS APPROVED FOR A $9 MILLION BUILDOUT. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE SECOND FLOOR CAN BE BUILT FOR AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION. THE DOLLARS ARE THERE. THE OPTIONS IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL SINGLE-FLOOR, STAY ON THE SINGLE FLOOR FOR THE $2 MILLION FOR ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 2,000 SQUARE FOOT. THAT SAME $2 MILLION TO GO UP WITH A SECOND FLOOR WOULD GIVE DOUBLE THAT. I BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS, LIKE, 5250. A LITTLE OVER 5,000 SQUARE FOOT. ON THE FLIP SIDE, I CAN'TTHY THINK OF A REASON NOT TO BUILD THE SECOND FLOOR. SECOND STORE. PLEASE, AS A COMMISSIONERS COURT, I'M ASKING YOU TO LISTEN TO THE PARKS BOARD, THEIR RESEARCH AND RECOMMENDATION ON THIS. AND GO WITH THE SECOND FLOOR. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. MORRIS. NEXT WE WILL HAVE MISSANDY GRAVES. ... MISS SANDY GRAVES. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. AT THE RISK OF REPEATING WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, AGAIN, MY NAME IS SANDY GRAVES. I LIVE ON THE ISLAND. 5 15802 GYPSY. I'M A HALF A MILE STRAIGHT SHOT TO THE BEACH. AND I CAN HEAR THE SEA EVERY MORNING. IT IS WONDERFUL. I'M HERE TO SPEAK FOR THE PIER AND THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT. AS MR. MORRIS ALREADY SAID, THE $2 MILLION, WE WOULD GET DOUBLE THE SPACE GOING UP AS A POSED TO EXPANDING. YOU KNOW, FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR LESS SPACE. JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THE ISLAND NEEDS A VENUE, A PLACE WHERE WE CAN HAVE OUR EVENTS, BAREFOOD MARDI... GRAS, ET CETERA. WE WOULD BE A DESTINATION FOR WEDDINGS, PRIVATE PARTIES: PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER WOULD COME. LET ME SEE. WHAT ELSE... >> THIS WOULDN'T BE JUST TOURIST SEASON. IT WOULD BE YEAR-ROUND. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BY HALF OF MS. NARDOM. SHE HAS PROVEN HERSELF. SHE HAS TURNED MICHAEL MAIZE INTO A SUCCESS INTO A... IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. IF SHE SAYS SHE CAN MAKE THE SECOND FLOOR A SUCCESS, SHE CAN DO THAT. AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU. >> I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS PUT THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND PLEASE CONSIDER FOLLOWING THE PARKS BOARD'S DECISION. AND OH, ONE MORE THING. RETURN ON INVESTMENT. I KNOW THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE. I BELIEVE THAT IS THAT THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE MORE OF A RETURN OF INVESTMENT THAN THE FEE YOU CHARGE GOING ON TO THE PIER. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO... I LIKE TO DO THIS WHERE I GO ON-LINE AND THEN [00:15:01] COME BACK TO THE COURTROOM. IT SEEMS TO KEEP IT EQUITABLE. I'LL CALL ON MR. STEVE BONNER AT THIS TIME. ASK YOU TO UNMUTE. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. AND COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AS STEVE BONNER. I'M HERE AVAILABLE AS A RESOURCE AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, YOU SIGNED UP BUT NOT ON ANY ITEM. >> NO, MA'AM. MY NAME IS COMMISSIONER... I HAVE BEEN A COMMISSIONER FOR PRECINCT ONE FOR ABOUT A YEAR. WHEN I WAS ELECTED, I TOOK AN OATH TO TRY AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY. I HAVE FOUND IT DIFFICULT TO FULFILL MY DUTIES BECAUSE OF INTERFERENCE IN MY PRECINCT. IN THE BEGINNING, I HAD THE HAZEL BAZEMORE DOG PARK THAT I AM STILL DEALING WITH, TO THE RENOVATIONS OF THE HILLTOP CENTER TO DEALING WITH THE ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY ALONG CONNOR ROAD 52 WHICH HAD BEEN ALREADY REMOVED. THE EPIC ROAD CONSTRUCTION FROM COUNTY ROAD 48 CONNECTED TO PECOS LANE. ALL THESE PROJECTS ARE IN MY PRECINCT. THERE ARE THREE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO SIT IN THIS COURT AND DO NOT SEE MUCH INTERFERENCE IN THEIR PRECINCTS. I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT AS I HAVE INTENDED TO DO WITH SO MUCH PUSHBACK FROM THE COUNTY JUDGE AS COMMISSIONER OF THIS ABOVE-MENTIONED PROJECTS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DIRECTION FROM THE... FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR THAT KNOWS MY PRECINCT BETTER AND IS IN CHARGE OF ALL THESE PROJECTS. THIS PROJECT PROCEEDS WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, BUT I DEPEND ON THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND JERRY GARCIA TO GUIDE ME SINCE THEY ARE THE EXPERTS IN DRAINAGE AND ROADS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'VE GOT NEXT... IS IT, IS IT ... >> HILDA. >> HILDA GARCIA. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO IMPROVE THESE DOLLAR STORE GLASSES. >> IT IS MY HANDWRITING. I'M SORRY. GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONER. MY NAME IS HILDA GARCIA. I LIVE ON THE ISLAND. 145 EAST CAN BEEN ANA. THERE IS A WHOLE YOU OF US THAT ARE HERE THIS MORNING TO SUPPORT... WE ALL SHOWED UP THIS MORNING TO SUPPORT THE SECOND STORY OF THE RESTAURANT AT BOB HALL PIER. I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE AND REPEAT WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID. BUT I'M HOPING IT WILL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA. WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. IT IS NOT. IT IS NO LONGER A WANT. IT HAS BECOME A NEED FOR US. SO WE DO NOT HAVE A PLACE, A PUBLIC PLACE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRIS THE DOES FOR EVENTS. WE HAVE TO HOLD OUR EVENTS AT RESTAURANTS. I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND SUPPORT THE PARKS BOARD, AND WE HAVE... PATTY WILL SHOW YOU WE HAVE PETITIONS, SIGNATURES, AND LIKE I SAID, IT HAS BECOME A NEED. IT IS NO LONGER A WANT FOR US. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MISS PATTY BAKER. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS PATTY BAKER. I ALSO LIVE ON THE ISLAND. I'M AT 15341 OR THE DUE CAN COURT. AGAIN, I'M PART OF THIS GROUP TO SUPPORT MAY AND HOPEFULLY PLACE THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING, GET THIS VOTE ON SO WE CAN START THE PROCESS TO HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO HAVE EVENTS FOR THE FUTURE. THERE WERE ALSO IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, A GRASSROOTS EFFORT WHERE PETITIONS... NAMED NAMES WERE COLLECTED. WE HAVE OVER 600. THIS WAS JUST IN APERIOD OF TIM. AGAIN, THIS SHOWS YOU THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THIS SECOND FLOOR. SO WE CAN USE IT FOR EVENTS IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MISS MAY MENDOSA. SURE. GIVE IT TO THE... >> I WILL MAKE Y'ALL A COPY. >> THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [00:20:03] >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, IF. AS YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS MAY MEN DOESA. BACK TO MY MAIDEN NAME. BASICALLY, WHAT I HANDED Y'ALL IS I HAD... I ALWAYS STAY IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THE CVB JUST BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE OPEN, WE ALWAYS WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM, ESPECIALLY WITH CONVENTIONS, AND THERE ARE SO MANY EXCITING THINGS GOING ON. WHEN I SPOKE YESTERDAY TO MEREDITH DARDEN, SHE WAS TELLING ME THAT THERE WAS JUST THIS PROJECT THAT WAS COMPLETED BY TEXAS A&M, CORPUS CHRISTI UNIVERSITY STUDENTS DURING THEIR SUMMER CLASS FOR THE MARKETING CLASS 3315. AND IF YOU GO THROUGH IT, YOU WILL SEE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, THE STUDENTS THAT WERE ON THERE, BASICALLY, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY DID A SURVEY, AND THEY INTERVIEWED 93 VISITORS THAT WERE VISITING CORPUS CHRISTI THE THIRD WEEK OF JULY. AND THEY WENT TO THE BEACHES, NOT ONLY ON WHITE CAP ON THE ISLAND, BUT THEY ALSO WENT ON NORTH BEACH. IF YOU TURN TO PAGE EIGHT, SOMETHING I FOUND VERY INTERESTING, I KIND OF MARKED THE TABS BY FOLDING THEM OVER. WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF VENDORS OR AMENITIES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ON THE BEACH? LOUNGING EQUIPMENT AND RENTALS WHICH WE WILL BE DOING AT MICHAEL MAIZE. THEY LIKE DESSERTS AND SNACKS WHICH THEY CAN GET FROM OUR GIFT SHOP. LUNCH AND DINNER FOODS WHICH WE PROVIDE AT THE RESTN'T. AND THEN BEER AND LIQUOR. WE ARE NOT A BAR. WE ARE A RESTAURANT. WE DO SELL ALCOHOL. I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE. ABOUT THE COUNTY FACILITIES HAVING IT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE FAIRGROUNDS THAT SELLS ALCOHOL AS WELL FOR THEIR EVENTS. IF YOU MOVE ON TO PAGE 29... IF YOU GO THROUGH, IT WILL DO THE BREAKDOWN AND THE AGE GROUPS. IT IS PRETTY INTERESTING. I THOUGHT MAYBE Y'ALL WOULD LIKE A COPY OF IT. I KNOW THAT BRETT PRESENTED THIS YESTERDAY AT THE CITY COUNCIL. >> YOU GO TO PAGE 29, IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, WHAT TYPE OF OFFERINGS WOULD YOU LIKE TO FIND IN CORPUS CHRISTI? RESTAURANTS WITH SEAFOOD WHICH WE DO WAS NUMBER ONE. AND OF COURSE, BARS. WE ARE NOT A BAR. WE DO SELL ALCOHOL, BUT BARS, THEY LIKE TO SEE THAT AVAILABLE AND THEN, OF COURSE, FOOD TRUCKS ARE PRETTY POPULAR. HIGHLIGHTS, THIS IS WHERE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AND IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THEIR SURVEY. THEY WOULD LIKE MORE WATERFRONT RESTAURANTS. WELL, WE ARE ONE. WE DO HAVE ONE. THE OTHER THING IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE FROM HOTELS AND BEACHES WHICH WE ARE ALSO THAT. >> YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN OFFER WITH THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THE ROOM WITH OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET. SO BASICALLY, IMAGINE BASICALLY GOING TO... GOODNESS GRACIOUS. MY MIND IS GOING BLANK. I'LL GO BACK TO IT. IN ADDITION, WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE... WHAT TYPE OF OFFERINGS WOULD YOU LIKE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. CONCERTS, LIVE MUSIC THERE. BEACHFRONT BARS. AGAIN, WE ARE A BEACHFRONT RESTAURANT/BAR. OVERALL, VISITORS WANT MORE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. WE CAN GET THEM THAT WITH THE EXTRA ROOM. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA. I HOPE IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA NEXT TIME AND SUPPORT WHAT THE PARK BOARD'S FINDINGS WERE AND THEIR SURP SUPPORT OF HAVING THE SECOND FLOOR VERSUS THE FIRST FLOOR AND USE $2 MILLION THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE ALLOCATED FOR A BIGGER RESTAURANT AND USE IT TOWARDS THE SECOND FLOOR INSTEAD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I'LL CALL ON MISS LISA O'CONNOR ON-LINE. AND JUST ASK TO UNMUTE. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MANY OF YOU KNOW ME IN THE COMMUNITY. I'M IN SALES. I LIVE IN CORPUS CHRISTI NOW DOWNTOWN AT 0 201 SOUTH SCHAAPREL IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I WORK DOWNTOWN. I BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 2008. BEFORE THAT, I HAVE ALWAYS LIVED IN NUECES COUNTY. AND YES, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF BOB HALL PIER. I SAY THE PIER AS A WHOLE, EVEN THOUGH THE RESTAURANT IS A MAJOR PART OF THE REVENUE OF THAT, AND WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD THE CAUSE FOR SUPPORTING THAT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT IT, BUT WHAT IT MEANS TO ME IS MEMORIES BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN GOING TO THAT PIER SINCE I WAS A CHILD WITH MY FATHER AND FISHING. SO WE HAVE TO ENCOMPASS HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPROVE? I THINK WE ARE LOSING THAT TO OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING REPAIRING THE PIER, AND IN THEIR SAYING IT WON'T BE UNTIL MID-2023 UNTIL THIS IS COMPLETED. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. THAT BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA HERE. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DEBATE, BUT THE REALITY IS WE ARE LOSING REVENUE. AND WE ARE LOSING THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE THAT COULD BE HAVING VENUES AND FUND-RAISERS. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT BIRTHDAYS AND ANNIVERSARIES. I PERSONALLY CELEBRATED MY 50TH BIRTHDAY THERE. [00:25:04] I HAVE PLANS TO CELEBRATE A FUTURE BIRTHDAY THERE AS WELL. IT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT. IT IS MORE ABOUT HOW IT IS IMPACTING OUR COMMUNITY, IMPACTING OUR VISITATION OF THE BEACH BECAUSE THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO DO WHEN THEY COME IN. AND EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NEVER LIVED IN CORPUS UNTIL NOW, I MADE IT ONE OF THE PLACES I WENT TO, AND IT STILL HAS A MEMORY FOR ME FOR A VERY DEAR CLOSE FRIEND WHO PASSED AWAY IN JANUARY. WHO WANTED TO HAVE HER CELEBRATION OF LIFE THERE, AND SHE DIDN'T GET TO BECAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PIER. SHE PASSED AWAY. THERE IS GOING TO BE A MEMORIAL FOR HER, AND THAT IS ANOTHER BIG PART FOR ME PERSONALLY. SO JUST KNOWING THAT THE MEMORIES AND THE TIES ARE THERE WITH THIS PIER, IT IS MORE THAN JUST A PIER. IT IS MORE THAN JUST A RESTAURANT. IT IS MORE THAN JUST A PLACE TO FISH. IT IS VERY MUCH A PART OF OUR LIVES. I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THIS MORNING. I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET EMOTIONAL. I CAN'T HELP IT. SHE WAS ONLY 46. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. AND WE ARE COMING UP FOR BREAST CANCER AWARENESS WHICH IS WHY I'M WEARING PINK. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS RPG MORNING. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS VERY HEARTFELT. CAROL RETMIER. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. >> COMMISSIONERS. >> GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING. >> I WANTED TO THANK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR WORK YOU DO IN ANIMAL CARE AS CO-FOUNDER OF STAR GROUP SOUTH TEXAS ANIMAL RESCUE. WE ARE REALLY THRILLED THAT YOU HAVE SUCH A TERRIFIC VOLUNTEER WHO HAS BEEN WITH YOU FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. I WANTED TO SPEAK HER PRAISES. THAT WAS IT. I KNOW YOU HEAR A LOT OF NEGATIVE THINGS. I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU SOME VERY POSITIVE. YOU HAVE A VERY ACTIVE, WONDERFUL VOLUNTEER FOR YEARS, LISA BOCKHOLT. SHE WILL BE A RETURNING ADVISORY COMPLIT TEE... COMMITTEE MEMBER. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES MY LIST HERE, BUT I ALWAYS ASK IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE THAT NEEDS TO SIGN UP. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SIGN UP, JUDGE. >> OKAY. ON WHICH SUBJECT? >> ON THE PIER. ON THE PIER. >> ON THE PIER? >> JUST GENERAL, I GUESS. >> GO AHEAD. >> YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT THE RESTAURANT AT THE PIER. I HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE RESTAURANT. I HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED TO BEGIN WITH, IT GOT STARTED VERY ILLEGALLY. IT WAS BUILT ILLEGALLY. YOU KNOW, IT WAS CALLED A CONCESSION STAND. AND REALLY THEY WERE BUILDING A RESTAURANT. AND A BAR. AND WE GOT IN TROUBLE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. WE HAD TO PAY FOR THAT. WE HAD TO BUILD THE ONE IN CALDWELL PIER TO THE SAME LIKINGS AS THE ONE OVER HERE ON THIS OTHER PIER. BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THIS, IT WAS ALWAYSES A CONCESSION STAND. IT WAS NEVER A RESTAURANT AND BAR. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR ALCOHOL OR NOT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND A RESTAURANT. I THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR A RESTAURANT. I SUPPORT A RESTAURANT. I DON'T SUPPORT A BAR, AND I DON'T SUPPORT THE SECOND TIER. YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN A HUR ANA... HURRICANE AREA. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THE SECOND FLOOR IS PROBABLY THE FIRST TO GO. I HOPE NOBODY GETS HURT IN THE SECOND TIER BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO SELL ALCOHOL. YOU KNOW, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE WEDDINGS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT. YOU KNOW, THE MOST PEOPLE WITH PROBLEMS IS ALWAYS AT WEDDINGS. THEY ARGUE. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THIS. HOPEFULLY, NOBODY FALLS INTO THE WATER AND DROWNS. THAT IS MY WORRY. YOU KNOW? MAYBE, MAYBE THE PARKS AND WILDLIFE AND MAYBE THE JLO AND THE PARKS BOARD DOESN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. I WOULD HOLD EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN. EVEN THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ACTUALLY SELL ANY KIND OF ALCOHOL IN COUNTY PROPERTIES. SO THIS IS REALLY MORE KIND OF A PROPERTY... THE FAIRGROUNDS IS RUN BY ANOTHER COMPANY. SO IS THE RESTAURANT. WE BUILT THE RESTAURANT. THIS COMPANY DIDN'T BUILD THE RESTAURANT. WE BUILT THE RESTAURANT WITH TAXPAYERS' MONEY. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT A RESTAURANT I JUST DON'T SUPPORT THE SECOND TIER. I DON'T SUPPORT THE BAR. HOPEFULLY, NOTHING HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW I WILL DISCUSS IT MORE WHEN IT COMES UP. I WILL MAKE A POINT OF RECORD THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOULD BE [00:30:02] HELD ACCOUNTABLE IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN. HOPEFULLY, NOT. SO THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. HOW ABOUT ON-LINE? LADIES? LOOKS LIKE WE ARE CLEAR. GOOD TO GO. I WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR AGENDA THIS MORNING, AND JUST... WHENEVER YOU CAN TAKE THAT BACK AND PASS THAT TO THE CLERK. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY CLERK COULD NOT JOIN US. IS SHE ASKING US TO PASS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> NO. >> YOU'VE GOT IT. I WANTED TO DOUBLE-CHECK. >> YOU MEAN THE DISTRICT? OH, THE NUECES COUNTY CLERK. >> THE COUNT YOU CLERK, SIR. >> MY BAD. [G. PUBLIC HEARING: The Nueces County Commissioners Court will conduct public hearings on the following: 1. pursuant to Section 118.025 of the Texas Local Government Code, a plan for the preservation and restoration of the Nueces County Clerk’s records archives CLOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND RECONVENE REGULAR MEETING] YOU ARE RIGHT. SORRY. >> SO AT THIS TIME, I AM ANNOUNCING THAT WE WILL GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS TO CONDUCT PURSUANT TO SECTION 118.025 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, A PLAN FOR THE PRESERVATION AND TEST OR THE RATION OF THE NUECES COUNTY CLERK'S RECORD ARCHIVES. AND SO I WILL TURN TO LORENZO AND ASK HIM TO LEAD US IN THIS DISCUSSION. WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT ONE. AND IT IS ALSO ONE THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR. >> YES. MY NAME IS LORENZO. I'M WITH THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. AND THE PLAN PRESENTED TO THE COURT WILL ALLOW THE COUNTY TO ... THE COUNTY CLERK TO RESTORE AND FULLY PRESERVE PERMANENT AND HIS OR THE COLD... HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS AS WELL AS IMPROVE SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH A REMOTE ACCESS AND THROUGH... FOR ELECTRONIC RECORDS. AND BASICALLY, DO YOU ALL HAVE THE PACKETS THAT WERE PRESENTED FROM... >> FROM LAST TIME? >> NO. THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. >> I'VE GOT THAT FROM THE DISTRICT CLERK. >> AND WHERE IS MICHAEL? IS HE HERE ON THIS? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR CONCEPT. AND I THOUGHT WE TRIED TO SAY WE WERE GOING TO GET AWAY FROM THESE SOLE SOURCE DEALS AND BID THINGS OUT. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GOT BACK TO THIS SPOT. MY BAD. I SHOULD HAVE CALLED KAREN IN ADVANCE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS... >> THIS IS COUNTY CLERK KARA SANDS' PLAN. SHE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS, AND YOU... WHY DON'T WE LET LORENZO FINISH. YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION. THIS IS REALLY JUST THE PLAN THAT ALREADY EXISTS. IT IS IN HER PRESERVATION... THAT ALREADY EXISTS. OKAY? THIS IS NOT, I DON'T THINK, A NEW PROCUREMENT OR A NEW CONCEPT IT IS THAT IT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW TO PASS A PRESERVATION PLAN EACH AND EVERY YEAR, AND THIS IS WHO SHE DOES BUSINESS WITH. >> CORRECT. THE ONLY REASON... THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE TO PRESENT IT TO THE COURT FOR YOUR APPROVAL IS BECAUSE FOR THE $10 ARCHIVE FEE. THAT FEE GOES THROUGH IT. WE CANNOT COLLECT ON THAT $10 ARCHIVE FEE UNLESS WE PRESENT A PLAN TO YOU. AND THE PLAN IS... >> OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN MY PACKET. >> I BELIEVE SHE HAS BEEN USING, YOU KNOW, THIS COMPANY FOR 16 YEARS. >> OKAY. OKAY? >> I GOT YOU. >> I MIGHT BE WRONG. IT COULD BE 18 YEARS. >> IT IS NOT A NEW CONTRACT. >> NOT AT ALL. >> IF YOU READ THE DOCUMENT, IT IS ABOUT A PLAN. THE ANNUAL PLAN FOR THE $10. IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE THIS, THEN SHE CANNOT RAISE THE REVENUE THAT SHE NEEDS FOR WHAT WE NEED AS THE PRESERVATION AND RECORD- KEEPING. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL LET YOU CONTINUE. >> WELL, THAT IS BASICALLY IT. >> OKAY. >> I JUMPED. IN I THINK HE WAS DONE. >> OKAY. I'LL MAKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF LORENZO REGARDING THE PLAN. LORENZO, IS THIS THE SAME PLAN WE HAD LAST YEAR? >> BASICALLY, BUT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO START INCLUDING BEGINNING THE SCHOOL RECORDS. WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED THE SCHOOL RECORDS. THAT IS INCLUDED NOW. >> OKAY. >> WE ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD. >> SOME DOLLARS WILL BE UTILIZED FOR SCHOOL RECORDS. >> CORRECT. >> THAT PART IS WHAT WE CALL DIFFERENT THAN LAST YEAR. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND IN THAT CASE, LORENZO, THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING. THAT IS REALLY ALL WE NEED. IS BACKGROUND AND TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOU. ANY ISSUES HERE, DALE, THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT? >> I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS, LIKE YOU SAID, FOR 10-15 YEARS. WE HAVE A SPECIAL FUND TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FUNDS AS LORENZO SAID. THE COUNTY CLERK CANNOT COLLECT [00:35:03] THIS FEE WITHOUT THIS PLAN BEING APPROVED BY THE COURT. AS LORENZO SAID, THE RECORDS OF THE COUNTY CLERK, INCLUDING THE SCHOOL RECORDS THAT HE JUST MENTIONED. >> OKAY. >> JUDGE, I MOVE TO... >> IN THIS CASE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL MOVE ON. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I WILL JUST AT THIS TIME, FOR THE RECORD, AND LORENZO, I WOULD CALL IT 9:10 WHEN I OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING. I LOOKED AT THE CLOCK. IT WAS ABOUT 9:10. AND NOW I'M CALLING IT AT 9:15. THE CLOSING OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. AND THE OPENING OF OUR RECONVENING OF OUR REGULAR MEETING. 9 CLFER:16 A.M. LY MOVE TO H1 COMMISSIONERS. [1. In recognition of the 2022 inductees into the W.B. Ray High School Athletic Hall of Fame.] IN RECOGNITION OF THE 2022 INDUCTEES INTO THE W.B. RAY, OUR ALMA MATER. W.B. RAY HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC HALL OF FAME. I ASK THAT YOU TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO BELYNN CAN... BELINDA WHO WILL READ FOR US. >> WHEREAS HOWARD BESHOCK, PAT RODGERS, DANIEL SHONT RELLY AND THE 1959 W.B. RAY STATE CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL TEAM WILL BE INCLUDED INTO THE W.B. RAY HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC HALL OF FAME ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2022 FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING ATHLETIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS. WHEREAS RAY HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 1971 HAD A SUCCESSFUL BASEBALL CAREER THAT INCLUDED BEING PART OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS BASEBALL TEAM IN 1975. HE THEN BECAME AN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL COLLEGE-LEVEL BASEBALL COACH. HE LED THE SOUTHWEST TEXAS TEAM TO THEIR FIRST EVER DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP IN 18997. MR. PAT RODGERS, RAY HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 196, HAS BEEN SELECTED AS AN INDUCTEE INTO THE RAY ATHLETIC HALL OF FAME FOR HIS INCREDIBLE PARTICIPATION IN AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS AT W.B. RAY RODGERS AACCOMPLISHMENTS INCLUDE HAVING OUTSTANDING STATISTICS AS A FOOTBALL ATHLETE AS WELL AS FURTHERING HIS CAREER AT TEXAS TECH UNIVERSITY. RODGERS THEN WENT ON TO PURSUE LAW SCHOOL AND NOW PRESIDES AS AN ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS. MR. J.J. WAS ON THE VARSITY BASEBALL TEAM FROM 1992-1994. DURING THIS TIME, HE ALSO GAINED THE TITLES OF FIRST TEAM ALL-DISTRICT, SECOND TEAM ALL-DISTRICT, INAUGURAL HIGH SCHOOL ALL-STAR TEAM, INAUGURAL GAME AT NOLAN RYAN FIELD, FCA VICE PRESIDENT, AND HE GRADUATED WITH HONORS. HE WENT ON TO PLAY BASEBALL AT SHRINER COLLEGE, LAREDO COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND DALLAS BAPTIST UNIVERSITY. HE WAS ALSO PART OF THE 1999 FRONTIER LEAGUE ALL-STAR TEAM WITH THE JOHNNIES AS WELL AS RECEIVED A CONTRACT WITH THE SAN DIEGO PADRES MINOR LEAGUE TEAM. MR. DANIEL SHONT RELLY, HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 2008, WAS AN INCREDIBLE STUDENT ATHLETE IN WHICH HE WAS A THREE-YEAR LETTERMAN IN BASEBALL, GOLF, AND TWO-YEAR LETTERMAN IN FOOTBALL. HE WAS THE FIRST RAY TEXAN TO QUALIFY FOR THE STATE FOR THE STATE GOLF TOURNAMENT AS AN INDIVIDUAL. HE WAS PART OF THE TOP FIVE RANKED BASEBALL TEAM IN HIS SOPHOMORE YEAR AND HELPED LEAD THE TEXANS TO THE STATE PLAY-OFF APPEARANCE IN 2006, 2007, 2008, AND DISTRICT CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2008. WHEREAS IN 1959, W.B. RAY STATE CHAMPION FOOTBALL TEAM IS AN INDUCK TEE FOR THE ATHLETIC HALL OF FAME BECAUSE OF THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. HEAD COACH BILL STAGES SAID THE 1959 RAY FOOTBALL TEAM WILL BE REMEMBERED AS ONE OF THE GREATEST TEAMS IN TEXAS FOOTBALL HISTORY. THE TEAM INCLUDED FOUR ALL-STAR PLAYERS. JIM BESTELMAN, MIKE KESLEY, BENHAUS, AND AND JERRY RODGERS. THE 1959 STATE CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL TEAM WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR THEIR SKILLS, RESILIENCE, AND DEDICATION THAT WAS INSTILLED FROM THEIR COACH AT W.B. RAY HIGH SCHOOL. NOW THEREFORE, THE COUNTY RECOGNIZE IT IS INDUCTEES IN THE W.B. RAY HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC HALL OF FAME ON THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND DEDICATION TO RAY HIGH SCHOOL. >> SO MOVE, JUDGE. >> I'LL SECOND. >> WITH THE MOTION AS SECOND, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE REPRESENTING THE GROUP HERE TODAY? >> NO, MA'AM. WE ARE GOING TO GET THEM THE [00:40:01] RESOLUTIONS. THEY ARE ALL COMING IN FOR THE EVENT. WELL, SOME OF THEM. ANYWAY. YUP. >> WELL, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING IS. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS IS AN OUTSTANDING GROUP OF ATHLETES AND PEOPLE. AND MANY OF THEM, WE KNOW AND HAVE KNOWN, AND IT IS ALWAYS AN HONOR TO DO THIS FOR OUR ALMA MATER. I APPRECIATE THEM ASKING ME TO PUT THIS ON, AND I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP INTO THE COMMISSIONER'S PRECINCT. IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS, SOME FRIENDS OF MINE RUNNING IT ASKED ME TO DO IT. I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND GOT IT DONE. A GREAT GROUP. A GREAT TRIBUTE. I'LL GET A COPY OF THESE SIGNED RESOLUTIONS TO ALL OF THEM. >> WELL, THAT IS WONDERFUL AND OF COURSE, FOR THOSE OF US THAT WENT TO RAY HIGH SCHOOL, THE NAME RINGS LOTS OF BELLS WHEN IT COMES TO GREAT ATHLETICS AND GREAT STUDENTS. INCLUDING MY CLASSMATE WHO IS A EL RIVER HERE AND ALSO DANIELSON TORRELLI. FOR THE RECORD, I HOPE YOU ARE WATCHING, DANIEL. IT MUST HAVE BEEN ALL THOSE GREAT LUNCHES I GAVE YOU EVERY DAY IN HIGH SCHOOL. DANIEL ATE AT MY HOUSE AT LEAST THREE DAYS A WEEK. AND JUST A FANTASTIC FAMILY, AND OF COURSE, HIS AUNT WAS OUR TENNIS COACH. COACH WILSON. AND ANYWAY, WONDERFUL INDUCTEES. W.B. RAY HAS HONORED TEXAN TRADITIONS. IT IS WONDERFUL TO SEE THAT WE ARE HONORING THE CLASS OF '59. COMMISSIONER? >> YES. GLAD WE ARE ABLE TO DO HIT THE WEEK SINCE WE ARE OFF NEXT WEEK. NEXT WEEK IS HOMECOMING FOR W.B. RAY AND SOME OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE AREA. THEY ALWAYS DO A BIG CEREMONY RECOGNIZING THEIR HALL OF FAME FOR ATHLETICS AND OF COURSE,'M OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE RECOGNIZED FOR NOT ONLY ATHLETICS BUT ACADEMICS AND SUCCESS IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO IT IS ALWAYS AN HONOR, A PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE SECOND... RECOGNIZE THE W.B. RAY TEXANS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DAUGHTER THAT GRADUATED THERE EARLIER THIS YEAR. A SON WHO IS A SOPHOMORE. WE ARE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE SCHOOLS. BUT ESPECIALLY... A LITTLE BIT EXTRA SPECIAL WHEN IT IS W.B. RAY. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS. I LOOK FORWARD TO CELEBRATING WITH THEM NEXT WEEK AT THE BIG RAY-MILLER GAME NEXT FRIDAY AT BUCK STADIUM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST PASS THESE UP WHENEVER YOU ARE READY. TO THE CLERK. YOU CAN ATTEST THOSE. WE WILL HAVE THEM READY FOR COMMISSIONER FOR NEXT WEEK. NOW WE WILL MOVE TO THE [2. In recognition of the week of September 12-16, 2022 as "National Disability Voter Registration Week".] RECOGNITION OF SEPTEMBER 12-16 AS BEING THE NATIONAL DISABILITY VOTER REGISTRATION WEEK. LY ALSO TURN TO BELINDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING YIE ON W.B. RAY. >> YIE. >> ALL RIGHT. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES OVERWHELMINGLY. ALL RIGHT. BELINDA, PARDON THE INTERRUPTION. >> WHEREAS IN SEPTEMBER, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, THEIR FAMILIES AND SUPPORTERS CELEBRATE THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT. WHEREAS THERE ARE OVER 50 MILLION PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES OF ALL AGES LIVING IN COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, WITH NEARLY 7,000 ADULTS IN TEXAS. WHEREAS THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY HAS A CRITICAL INTEREST IN POLICIES ENACTED AT LOCAL, STATE, AND NATIONAL LEVELS, THAT AFFECT THE INTEGRATION OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES YOUNG AND OLD INTO OUR COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS INVOLVING THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY IN INFLUENCING PUBLIC POLICIES IS ESSENTIAL IF THESE POLICIES ARE TO MEET THE REAL NEEDS OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND VOTING IS ONE WAY FOR THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY TO EXERT THEIR INFLUENCE AT LOCAL, STATE, AND NATIONAL ELECTIONS. AND WHEREAS THERE ARE MULTIPLE EFFORTS TO DEVELOP DISABILITY COALITIONS AROUND THE ISSUE OF VOTING AND WHEREAS REV UP AMERICA, REGISTER, EDUCATE, VOTE, USE YOUR POWER IS A NATIONAL EFFORT TO ENCOURAGE LOAK A.M. AND STATE VOTING COALITIONS AND MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL DISABILITY RIGHTS COMMUNITY OR ORGANIZING A NATIONAL DISABILITY VOTER REGISTRATION WEEK, SEPTEMBER 12-16, 2022. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IN NUECES COUNTY, HEREIN SUPPORTS THE GROWING INVOLVEMENT OF THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY FORECAST IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS AND DESIGNATES THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 12-16, 2022 AS NATIONAL DISABILITY VOTER REGISTRATION WEEK IN NUECES COUNTY. >> THANK YOU, BELINDA. [00:45:02] WILL I WILL MAKE THE MOTION FOR THIS RECOGNITION WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT. THERE IS A SECOND. ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION HERE? NO. OTHER THAN BESIDES THE VOTER REGISTRATION, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. WE HAVE CURBSIDE VOTING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS AND DISABILITIES AND WE ARE ALWAYS GRATEFUL FOR THAT SERVICE. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT, CONTACT THE COUNTY CLERKS OFFICE. AND ALSO OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE ABILITYINGS THAT BEING ECHOED HERE THAT WE HAVE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY OR RTA WHO OFTEN GETS IN THE FOREFRONT OF THE PUBLIC MESSAGING ON THIS. BUT THEY HAVE FREE RIDES, AND OF COURSE, ALL OUR RTA ARE ACCESSIBLE FOR FOLKS LIVING WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES. AND IF THERE IS NO OTHER COMMENTARY HERE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. [3. In recognition of September 14, 2022, as "Star-Spangled Banner Day".] AND NOW WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. IT IS IN RECOGNITION OF SEPTEMBER 14, 2022 AS BEING OUR STAR-SPANGLED BANNER DAY. >> WHEREAS THE STAR-SPANGLED BANNER, OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM, WAS WRITTEN DURING THE WAR OF 1812, AND WHEREAS BY THE DAWN'S EARLY LIGHT ON SEPTEMBER 14, 1814, FRANCIS SCOTT KEY SAW THE AMERICAN FLAG FLYING OVER FORT MCHENRY, SIGNIFYING AN AMERICAN VICTORY AND WAS INSPIRED TO WRITE THE WORDS OF THE STAR-SPANGLED BANNER. AND WHEREAS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS TREASURE AND RESPECT THE WORDS AND THE MUSIC OF THE STAR-SPANGLED BANNER WHICH BECAME OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM ON MARCH 3, 1931, WHEN PRESIDENT HERBERT HOOVER SIGNED PUBLIC LAW 71823 AND WHEREAS SPORTING AND PUBLIC EVENTS BEGIN WITH THE SINGING OR PLAYING OF THE NATIONAL ANTHEM, AS A REAFFIRMATION OF OUR PATRIOTISM AND LOVE OF THIS COUNTRY, AND WHEREAS THE NATIONAL SOCIETY OF UNITED STATES DAUGHTERS OF 1812 AND THE OLD BAY VIEW CHAPTER 479 OF THE TEXAS SOCIETY UNITED STATES DAUGHTERS OF 1812 CALLS FOR A DAY TO OBSERVE THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STAR-SPANGLED BANNER AND TO CELEBRATE THE WORDS THAT FRANCIS SCOTT KEY PENNED IN 1814, NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IN NUECES COUNTY BUSINESS DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 14 AS STAR-SPANGLED BANNER DAY AND URGES ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE BIRTH OF OUR COUNTRY'S NATIONAL ANTHEM. >> THANK YOU, BELINDA. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR SUCH AN IMPORTANT RECOGNITION, AND WE WILL HAVE KATHY WEMER COME UP. THERE IS A SECOND ON THE FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. KATHY, WHAT GRADE HISTORY? YES, MA'AM. A LITTLE CLOALSER MAYBE. OH, ACTUALLY, CONNIE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT HAS BEEN TURNED OFF. WE ARE GOING TO CATCH UP WITH YOU RIGHT NOW. GIVE US A SECOND. >> I DON'T HAVE A TEACHER VOICE. ANYMORE. AS YOU GET OLDER, YOU LOSE YOUR VOICE. >> NO. IT WASN'T ON. NOW YOU ARE ON. >> OKAY. >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING. >> THANK YOU. IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY THIS MORNING, I AM A MEMBER OF THE 1812 GROUP HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI, THE OLD FRIENDS OF THE OLD BAY VIEW FRIENDS CHAPTER. AND WE HAVE TODAY WITH US OUR MEMBERS. WE HAVE GABBY, OUR PRESIDENT, JACKIE. SHE WENT TO CARROLL. >> SHE IS OUR VICE PRESIDENT AND PENNY, WHO YOU ALSO KNOW, SHE IS OUR SECRETARY. I'M THEIR HISTORIAN. WE LIKE TO REMEMBER THIS DATE. COULD WE HAVE A PICTURE? >> WE WOULD LOVE TO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A PHOTO. AND I NOTICE THAT YOU ARE WEARING YOUR RED, WHITE, AND BLUE. HOW WONDERFUL. >> AND WE HAVE ANCHORS. >> AND THEY HAVE ANCHORS. FANTASTIC. I'M WONDERING, IT IS COMING. >> IT HAS TO GET SIGNED. >> IT HAS TO GET SIGNED. WE CAN HOLD IT UP FOR THE PHOTO. IF YOU WAIT JUST A MOMENT. IT WILL BE SIGNED. THANK YOU. >> LET ME GET THAT. SORRY. YEAH. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU, LADIES. [00:50:39] THANK YOU Y'ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU Y'ALL. THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO. >> DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK? >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. I WANT IT TO GO THIS WAY AND THEN COME BACK. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS A NICE WAY TO START OUR [1. Discuss disaster preparedness and response, including matters related to COVID-19, Emergency Orders, severe weather, flooding, drainage, economic recovery, state and federal assistance, American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA), Emergency Rental Assistance Program (ERAP), and infrastructure status, and other related matters.] MORNING. AND SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO NOW IS CALL KATHY. I'M GUESSING, KATHY, YOU ARE HERE TO REPRESENT ON GENERAL INFORMATION REPORTS. AND TALK TO US ABOUT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER OUR ITEM I-1. >> OKAY. START OUT WITH THE WEATHER TEMPERATURES. HOVERING AROUND 91 DEGREES WITH A HEAT INDEX AT 98. WE HAVE HIGH HUMIDITY AND A CHANCE FOR THUNDERSTORMS. WE HAVE SOME SMALL STORMS IN THE ATLANTIC, BUT NOTHING FORMIDABLE. THE BRIAN KEACH DROUGHT INDEX IS A MINIMUM, 71, AND A MAXIMUM 370 WHICH IS VERY GOOD. THE AVERAGE MEAN IS 180. WE DO HAVE SOME MOISTURE DEPLETIONS IN A FEW AREAS OF THE WESTERN NUECES COUNTY, BUT THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNTY LOOKS GOOD. NUECES COUNTY, THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS SPONSORING THREE HAZMAT TRAINING CLASSES FOR NUECES COUNTY AND THE COASTAL BIN REGION. ONE IS GOING TO OCCUR IN OCTOBER IT IS A HAZMAT EMERGENCY RESPONSE TECHNICIAN TRAINING. WE REQUESTED TO HAVE THESE TAUGHT. THEY WERE PROVIDED TO US BY... FREE OF CHARGE THROUGH A GRANT THAT THEY HAVE. SO WE WERE VERY LUCKY WE GOT THE THREE CLASSES THAT WE REQUESTED. IT IS OTHER ONE IS A HAZMAT FIRST RESPONDER AWARENESS AND OPERATIONS. THAT WILL BE IN DECEMBER. AND THEN A THIRD CLASS WILL BE IN MARCH OF 2023. THAT IS A HAZARD AND TECHNICAL DECONTAMINATION CLASS. AND IT IS A PRO-BOARD CERTIFICATION WHICH IS VERY GOOD FOR THIS REGION. IT IS OFFERED TO ALL FIRST RESPONDERS. IT IS... THEY WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NUMBER TWO. SO IT IS ALSO GOOD FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO ATTEND THESE, FOR ANY CITY AS WELL AS THE COUNTY. BECAUSE THAT PROVIDES US WITH QUICK RESPONSES AS WELL AS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THIS COASTAL BIN REGION. WE HAVE GREAT NEWS. BOTH PFIZER AND MODERNA NEW BOOSTERS ARE NOW AVAILABLE AT ALL HEALTH DISTRICT VACCINATION LOCATIONS. THE PFIZER BOOSTER IS AVAILABLE TO PERSONS THREE YEARS OF AGE AND ABOVE. AND THE MODERNA BOOSTER IS AVAILABLE FOR 18 YEARS AND ABOVE. DHS HAS UPDATED THIS VACCINE. THEY ARE DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE ORIGINAL COVID-19 STRAIN AS WELL AS THE OMICRON VARIANT, AND THE NEW... AND THE NEW OMICRON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A LARGE AMOUNT OF THE COVID CASES IN THE PAST MONTH. [00:55:02] SO WE HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL GO OUT AND START GETTING THIS. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MAY BE DIFFICULT TO GET AT YOUR PHYSICIAN'S OFFICE. YOU MAY WANT TO REACH OUT TO THAT HEALTH DISTRICT AND GO TO THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL AS YOUR LARGER PHARMACIES. THEY WILL HAVE THIS. THIS IS A NEW VACCINE. IT WAS JUST RELEASED IN THE LAST... WE JUST RECEIVED OUR DOSES IN THE LAST FEW DAYS. COVID CASES ARE AT 72,166 TOTAL. WE HAVE 39 NEW CASES, ONE DEATH. MOST OF THE COVID IS FROM THAT BA-5 LINEAGE FROM OMICRON. IT IS VERY HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS. BUT WITH OUR COUNTY GETTING LOTS OF BOOSTERS AND GETTING LOTS OF VACCINATIONS, WE ARE DOING VERY WELL, AND IT IS FLU SEASON. FLU SEASON IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER BECAUSE IT SPREADS. AND IT IS PARTICULARLY HARD ON OUR ELDERLY AND OUR CHILDREN. AND PEOPLE 65 AGED OR OLDER CAN REQUEST A HIGH-DOSE FLU VACCINE OPTION FROM THEIR PROVIDERS OR THE PHARMACY. ANYWHERE YOU GET A VACCINATION, THOSE ARE AVAILABLE. YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR CHILDREN BASED ON THE DSHS RECOMMENDATIONS AND URGES EVERYONE SIX MONTHS AND ABOVE TO BE VACCINATED FOR FLU. AND PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU CAN GET COVID AND THE FLU TOGETHER. >> THANK YOU, KATHY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR KATHY? THERE ARE STILL LOCATIONS OPEN FOR THESE VACCINATIONS. AN EASY PLACE FOR YOU TO TAKE YOURSELF THE OUR OR YOUR FAMILY. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. NO QUESTIONS FOR KATHY. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU WILL LOOK AND SEE IN THE ... BY THE WAY, THERE IS NO MINUTES. I GUESS IT WAS TOO QUICK OF A TURNAROUND. I'M JUST MAKING THAT NOTE. WE WILL CATCH THEM NEXT WEEK. [1. Nueces County Animal Services Advisory Committee] OKAY. BOARD APPOINTMENTS. WE WILL MOVE TO J-1. YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS NUECES COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE UP FIRST. >> JUDGE, I JUST HAD A DIFFERENT MOTION I WANTED TO MAKE ON THIS. I WANTED TO PUT FORTH A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS WITH THE INSTRUCTION TO THE COUNTY MANAGER TO DO A DETAILED AND INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF THE ENTIRE SITUATION THAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE IN REGARDS TO EVERYTHING AND LET HER DO THAT, BRING US BACK AND A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ENTIRE SYSTEM FROM FACILITY TO STAFF TO BOARD TO JUST EVERYTHING AND NO MORE THAN 90 DAYS. AND THEN BRING BACK THE APPOINTMENTS IN REGARDS... OR AT THAT POINT. >> OKAY. I CAN TAKE A MOTION FOR THE TABLING OF THE ITEM. I CAN'T TAKE A MOTION FOR ALL THAT OTHER DIRECTION, BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROPER NOTICE OF IT. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN DO. THERE IS NO NOTICE TO DO ANY OF THAT WORK OR ANY DISCUSSION. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MY CONCERN IS THAT SEPTEMBER 0, 2022 IS THE END OF THE EXPIRATION. HOWEVER, AS WE ALL KNOW, THEY WOULD STAY ON AS A ROLLOVER. >> CORRECT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT. THAT THE BOARD WOULD STAY EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. IF THIS TABLE WERE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. DO YOU CONCUR? COMMISSIONER? >> ABSOLUTELY. HOLDOVER LAWS ARE VERY CLEAR. >> OKAY. YEAH. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. >> AND AGAIN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN EXECUTIVE AND YOU CAN BRING IT BACK IF YOU WANT TO. ALL THAT IS HERE IS TO APPROVE THE ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD AND SO... >> THE BOARD OR THE MEMBERS. >> WELL, THE VACANCIES. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE THE REAPPOINTMENT... THERE IS FOUR THAT ARE UP. THAT WOULD BE MATT STEVENS. LISA BOOK BOCKHOLT. SELINA BOGGS. I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED LITERS ON ALL OF THOSE FOR REAPPOINTMENT. THAT WAS THE EXPECTATION FOR TODAY. >> YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT TO BE TABLED, YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION , BUT THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO AT THIS TIME. >> DO YOU NOT THINK THIS IS RELATED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE DIRECTION? IT IS ALL ABOUT... I MEAN, I CAN MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO THE ANIMAL SERVICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IF [01:00:01] THAT MAKES IT BETTER. I WAS TRYING TO DO IT AS AN ENTIRE... IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, AND THEN I CAN MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING. I THINK I CAN AT LEAST MAKE A MOTION RELATED TO ANYTHING TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. >> I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO A TABLE FOR 90 DAYS. AND THEN JUST AS... HAVE YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON DO WHATEVER BACKGROUND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN THAT TIME. >> THAT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO. I CAN MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, JUDGE. >> I KNOW. I KNOW. I HEAR YOU. WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS THAT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE CONTINUATION OF THIS BOARD, AND YOU CAN STILL DO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO, BUT IT HAS TO BE NOTICED. YOU HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE. OTHERWISE, IF THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A REVIEW OF THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT... FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS ALWAYS REVIEW. RIGHT? IF THERE IS ANY ISSUE THAT COMES UP, YOU HAVE A COURT ADMINISTRATOR, MANAGER THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, CONTROL OVER THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS. THAT SHOULD BE ONGOING. NOTHING THAT WE SAY SHOULD EVER LIMIT OR PREVENT A THOROUGH REVIEW OF STAFF, LEADERSHIP, AND ADVISORY COMMITTEES. TO BRING BACK TO US. THAT SHOULD BE ONGOING, AND OF COURSE, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. AND THERE ARE SOME LETTERS THAT WERE CONCERNING ABOUT THE COMMITTEE'S... SOME CHALLENGES HAPPENING IN THE COMMITTEE. THOSE HAD ALREADY BEEN REFERRED WITH LOTS OF TIME. LIKE, MONTHS AND MONTHS BEFORE. TO COURT ADMINISTRATION. >> NO, JUDGE. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REFERRED TO HER BY THIS COURT. BECAUSE... >> NO. BUT I'M SAYING SHE WAS INCLUDED IN THE E-MAILS. >> RIGHT. UNTIL SHE GETS INSTRUCTION FROM THE COURT, YOU KNOW, IT IS ONE THING FOR ME TO SAY, HEY, CAN YOU INVESTIGATE THIS AND SHE IS GOING TO GO, WELL, YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE COURT. I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR THAT I THINK IT IS NEGLIGENT NOT TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION OF ANY ALLEGATION BOTH SIDES TO BE HEARD ON EVERYTHING, AND SO MY BELIEF IS THAT I CAN MAKE THIS MOTION AND THAT IT WAS SECONDED. AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, I THINK, IS SAYING WE CAN DO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO THE ADVISORY BOARD, I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT FOR THE ENTIRE EVERYTHING. IF YOU WANT TO... I DO THINK I CAN, FOR SURE, MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. >> OKAY. >> WE ARE APPOINTING THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. >> I WOULD. I THINK THAT NOTICE IS KEY HERE. THAT IS WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY JUST SAID. >> GO AHEAD. >> MY PROPOSAL IS THAT YOU CAN JUST TABLE IT AND DIRECT HER TO PROCEED IN THE NORMAL FASHION. >> RIGHT. >> YOU KNOW, THAT SHE WOULD NORMALLY BE DOING THESE THINGS. SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOTHING NOTICED THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ABOUT A REVIEW. I THINK THAT IS THE ISSUE. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO VOTE TO DIRECT HER TO DO THOSE THINGS. >> AGREED. >> WELL, OKAY. I MEAN... >> I WILL TAKE YOUR TABLE. AND YOU HAVE A SECOND. >> OKAY. SO MY MOTION, THEN, I GUESS TO FOCUS IN WOULD BE TO TABLE AND THEN INSTRUCT IN REGARDS TO LOOKING AT ALL THE ALLEGATIONS ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THEN I'LL BRING BACK, I GUESS, MORE NOTICE FOR THE REST OF WHAT I WANT TO DO OUT THERE. THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION TO TABLE IT. AND THE COUNTY MANAGER WILL LOOK INTO THESE ALLEGATIONS AND COME BACK WITH A REPORT NO IN NOR MORE THAN 90 DAYS. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> A LITTLE MORE FOCUSED. >> OKAY. MORE STREAMLINED. >> OKAY. >> A MOTION AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, YOU SECONDED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AT ALL? >> ALL RIGHT. ACTUALLY, THERE IS NO TABLE DISCUSSION. JUST SEEING THAT THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THEN WOULD YOU... >> THEN ALL OF YOU BOARD MEMBERS OPPOSE... ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, IN CASE YOU ARE LISTENING, ALL OF YOU WILL STAY IN YOUR POSITIONS FOR THE NEXT 90 DAYS. THERE IS NO CONCERN THAT YOU ARE NOT ON THIS ADVISORY BOARD. YOU ARE. >> AND JUDGE, I WOULD JUST ASK THEN, THAT THIS BE PUT BACK ON ... WHATEVER WORDING JENNY WANTS. TO DO THE ENTIRE THING. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A COMPROMISE. I WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING AND DO EVERY DETAIL. BUT FAIR ENOUGH. IF YOU CAN PUT THAT BACK ON AND MAKE THAT MOTION THEN. >> WHY DON'T WE WAIT TO SEE YOUR MOTION THEN. >> AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA IS WHAT I'M SAYING. WE HAVE THE COMMITTEE PART OF IT COVERED IN THIS MOTION. I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND YOU CAN PROVIDE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION AT THAT TIME AND FUNNING AND THROW IN WORLD PEACE , A MOTION SO SHE CAN... I'M JUST WONDERING HOW TO COURT [01:05:11] MANAGER IS GOING TO BE TASKED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHOUT ANY RESOURCES. BUT AT ANY RATE, YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AT SOME TIME LATER. >> REALLY? THAT IS INTERESTING. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, WE ANALYZE WHAT'S GOING ON IN DEPARTMENTS. IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO DO IT. >> ANYWAY, WE WILL MOVE ON. WE HAVE IT. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> WE HAVE YOUR MOTION. WE HAVE YOUR DIRECTION. WE WILL MOVE ON. [2. Nueces County Hospital District Board of Managers] ITEM J-2 IS NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT BOARD OF MANAGERS. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ADDRESS THE ONE-YEAR VACANCY FIRST AND LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT IT BE FILLED FOR THAT ONE YEAR BY APPLICANT DR. KATIE RODRIGUEZ. >> SECOND ON ART GRANADO. >> OKAY. JOHNNY, HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND. SO I CAN GET A PROCEDURAL. >> I'M SORRY, JUDGE. A TWO-YEAR... >> UNEXPIRED TERM. >> NOT A ONE-YEAR. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> TWO-YEAR UNEXPIRED TERM. OKAY. SO THERE IS JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE WAITED TO GET MY SECOND? TO SEE IF THERE WAS A SECOND FOR MY MOTION? I MADE THE MOTION. >> WELL, YES: I THINK YOU SHOULD VOTE ON THAT ONE FIRST. >> RIGHT. >> CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. I HAVE THE MOTION. FOR DR. KATIE RODRIGUEZ. I WOULD ASK FOR THERE TO BE A SECOND. OKAY. HEARING NO SECOND FOR DR. RODRIGUEZ, THERE IS A MOTION FOR ART GRANADO BY COMMISSIONER BRENT CHESNEY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOE GONZALEZ. >> THE OTHER WAY AROUND. HE MADE IT. I SECONDED IT. >> SORRY. >> THAT IS OKAY. >> JOE GONZALEZ MAKING THE MOTION FOR ART GRAFNLT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. AND ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION AT ALL? >> I WOULD LIKE SOME DISCUSSION. I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO PUT IT IN OUR POLICIES. I KNOW WE HAVE LOOKED AT A LOT OF POLICY CHANGES OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. BUT IN ANY... I GUESSES WITH OUR ... THE WAY WE HANDLE APPOINTMENTS IS TYPICALLY, A MOTION AND A SECOND. I LIKE TO T PRACTICE OF BEING ABLE TO PUT OUT A NAME, NOT NEEDING A SECOND AND JUST CASTING YOUR VOTE BASED ON WHATEVER NAMES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE GROUP. I KNOW... I BELIEVE THAT IS STILL THE PRACTICE ON SOME LOCAL CITY COUNCILS. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT PRACTICE HAS CHANGED BECAUSE OF STATE LAW OR ANYTHING. BUT I FEEL THAT THAT IS A MUCH MORE REFLECTIVE WAY BECAUSE THERE IS GOOD NAMES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THERE IS NOT A SECOND, THEN WE GET A CHANCE TO VOTE. BECAUSE OF PROCEDURAL THINGS. ALL I'LL DEFER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. IF THAT IS SOMETHING IN THE POLICY OR THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT WE DO HERE IN THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. AS FAR AS TAKING A NAME, MAKING A MOTION, SECOND, AND THEN HAVING TO VOTE BASED ON THAT MOTION ALONE. LIKE I SAID, YOU LOOK AT... WHEN I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU GIVE A NAME. AND THERE IS A LIST OF SEVERAL NAMES UP THERE. AND YOU WOULD GO AND BE ABLE TO CAST YOUR VOTE FOR WHATEVER NAME HAS BEEN PRESENTED. THERE COULD BE FIVE DIFFERENT NAMES. THEN THERE WOULD BE A SECOND ROUND. THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU WOULD NARROW DOWN YOUR VOTE. I LIKE THAT MT. METHOD BETTER. >> DO IT MORE LIKE THE JOB INTERVIEWS. >> I GUESS. WELL, WHEN WE HAVE DONE OUR JOB INTERVIEWS, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE ARE LIMITING HOW MANY NAMES WE HAVE DONE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT IS POLICY. WE CAN HELP WITH SOME DIRECTION AS FAR AS WHAT IS POLICY AND WHAT IS JUST KIND OF STANDARD PRACTICE THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. THAT IS THE FIRST THING TO FIGURE OUT. THEN SECOND, IF THIS IS SOMETHING STANDARD THAT WE CANNOT FIND ANYWHERE ON POLICY, I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE A POLICY THAT CLEARLY STATES HOW WE MAKE APPOINTMENTS. BECAUSE I THINK BEING ABLE TO CAST ANYTHING THAT WE WANT, NOT NEEDING A SECOND IS REALLY IMPORTANT. JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS TO VOTE FOR RATHER THAN JUST MAKE A MOTION AND THEN SECOND AND THEN THAT IS HOW YOU SHOOT IT UP OR DOWN: I THINK THAT HELPS ALSO WITH REAPPOINTMENTS AS WELL. I JUST... THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF VAGUENESS FROM. I THINK THAT WE HAVE... IF WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFY FOR THE FUTURE. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME. THAT WOULD HELP THE COURT AS WELL. >> OKAY. WE ARE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT. >> IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT ON AS A PROPOSAL. [01:10:02] >> NO. YEAH. I MEAN, IS THAT EVEN THERE? I HAVEN'T LOOKED TO SEE MYSELF. IF IT IS SOMETHING QUICKLY WE CAN FIND WITHIN, YOU KNOW... BY NEXT MONTH, OR NEXT MEETING. THEN WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT TO GET IT PUT ON AS A POLICY CHANGE OR NOT. >> OKAY. WE WILL DO THAT. >> WE WILL GO AHEAD AND APPROVAL THE REAPPOINTMENTS. >> WAIT. WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS ONE FIRST. >> OH. >> WE HAVE. >> I DON'T THINK WE VOTED YET. >> I HAVE NOT CALLED FOR THE VOTE. I CALLED FOR DISCUSSION. >> OKAY. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> MAKE THE MOTOR VEHICLES TO REAPPOINT ALL THREE REAPPOINTMENTS. >> OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THREE REAPPOINTMENTS. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SORRY. >> MULTIPLE SECONDS. ALL THOSE... ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DRE WITH US. HE TOOK TIME OUT OF HIS DAY. I DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW HARD THAT IS FOR THE CHIEF OF THE HOSPITAL AT CORPUS CHRISTI MEDICAL CENTER TO DO. DR. REDDY NOT ONLY ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR SERVICE, BUT JUST EVERYTHING THAT YOU BRING TO THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT BOARD. NOW KNOWLEDGE, EXPERTISE, AND COMPASSION. WE OFTEN DON'T GO GET TO SAY THANK YOU. ALLOW US AT THIS MOMENT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR REAPPOINTMENT BUT MOST EARNESTLY, THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO CLEAR YOUR ENTIRE DAY FOR THESE BOARD MEETINGS. BECAUSE JOHNNY KEEPS YOU THERE SO LONG. (LAUGHTER) JUST KIDDING, JOHNNY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU. WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. >> JUDGE, I WANTED TO ADD, TOO, THANK YOU, DR. REDDY. >> TO ALL OF THEM. EXCUSE ME. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF THEM. DR. REDDY HAPPENS TO BE HERE >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS LAST NIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, WEATHERCENTER 5 ALWAYS... WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DIVERSE BOARDS. I THINK THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF OUR MOST DIVERSE BOARDS, AND THEY DO SUCH A GOOD JOB OF COMING TOGETHER AND PUTTING ASIDE DIFFERENT POLITICAL VIEWS OR WHATEVER COMMUNITY VIEWS, AND THEY REALLY WORK VERY HARD TO COME TOGETHER AND DO THIS. I APPRECIATE ALL OF WHAT YOU DO. I APPRECIATE... IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT JOB. IT IS A SUPER IMPORTANT JOB THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE... YOU KNOW, I DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT. THIS IS A MULTI, MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEAL THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD PEOPLE ON THERE. I THINK HAVING A MIXTURE OF DOCTORS AND SOCIAL WORKERS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS AND BUSINESSPEOPLE IS REALLY GOOD. I THINK IT HAS BEEN A REALLY STRONG BOARD. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE, DR. REDDY. AND AGAIN, ECHOING WHAT THE JUDGE SAID. ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE DONE TO DO THIS. BUT I LOOK AT THIS ONE, AND I ALWAYS FEEL PRETTY GOOD THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A REALLY DIVERSE BOARD THAT WORKS TOGETHER TO DO RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER. I THINK WE DID PRETTY WELL ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, DOC. DOCTOR. >> I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPLICANTS AND SAY PLEASE DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED. PLEASE CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR... WHEN OPPORTUNITIES ARISE ON THE HEALTH BOARDS. JUST INCREDIBLE APPLICANTS THAT HAD MEDICAL BACK GROWBDZ. ... BACKGROUNDS. AND WONDERFUL LETTERS SO AGAIN, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE HAVING THAT TYPE OF APPLICANT POOL AND JUST WHEN YOU SEE YOUR APPLICATIONS ON-LINE, YOU OFTEN DON'T KNOW THIS BUT THE VERY BOTTOM, IT SAYS "EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SERVING." THERE WAS WONDERFUL INSIGHT ON SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LY MOVE ON. AS SOON AS I PUT MY BOOK BACK TOGETHER HERE. I'LL MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT [2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.] AGENDA. I'LL ASK THAT WE HAVE TOM SOME AWARENESS FOR ITEMS A-P. A-P. AND ASK THAT THERE WILL BE A MOTION TO APPROVE AT THIS TIME. >> JUDGE, I WANT TO PULL SOME MINORS. ITEM A. >> ITEM A. >> AND ITEM D. >> ITEM D. >> B AS IN BOY. >> NO. D AS IN DOG. >> GOT IT. A AND D. ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR ALL EXCEPT FOR ITEMS A AND D. >> SO MOVED, JUDGE. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ARE OR ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> IEVMENT [A. Authorize payment of bills - regular bill summaries dated September 16, 2022; and receive check registers of payment on the vendor exception list dated September 2, 2022; and previously approved special motion payments dated September 2, 2022.] >> NOW LET'S MOVE TO THE ONE THAT IS WERE PULLED FOR CLARITY. [01:15:01] ITEM A >> YES, JUDGE. I NEED SOME CLARITY ON... >> CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO YOUR MIC, COMMISSIONER? >> YES. I'M SORRY I NEED SOME CLARITY ON THIS ITEM HERE. CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME? >> WOULD THAT BE DALE? I'LL ASK DALE TO DO THAT. >> THESE ARE OUR REGULAR CHECK RUN THAT IS WE HAVE DONE. YOU SEE THERE IS MULTIPLE VENDORS. MULTIPLE ITEMS. THIS IS WHAT WE CONSIDER A NORMAL CHECK REGISTER RUN. SOMETIMES YOU ARE SHOWING THREE DIFFERENT PERIODS. 9-12 TO 9-11, 9-2. WE WERE DOING THE TRANSACTIONS. EACH VENDOR WAS REPORTED SEPARATELY. SOME HAVE MULTIPLE ITEMS. WE ARE SHOWING YOU WHERE THE PURCHASES WERE, THE REQUESTS. AS WELL AS THE GENERAL INFORMATION WE HAVE RECEIVED. I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANY ANY QUESTIONS ON A PARTICULAR VENDOR. THIS IS OUR NORMAL HISTORY OF THE LIST. >> YEAH. THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT IS THE COUNTRY KITCHEN. 654 RECRUITMENT. >> WHAT PAGE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT ONE. I JUST HAVE MY NOTES. I'M ASSUMING... THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DID SOME RECRUITMENT OR SOMETHING? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS. RIGHT? >> YOU CAN USE THE MONEY FOR HOWEVER THEY FIT. THIS IS RECRUITMENT. YES >> THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON. THEN IT WOULD BE ITEM D >> A MOTION, THEN. MAKE YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM A, GIVEN OFF QUESTION? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM A >> ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A SECOND BY GONZALEZ. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [D. Authorize payment of bills - group health insurance claims and fees by Boon Chapman for the month of August 2022.] >> ALL RIGHT. ON ITEM D, THIS IS THE GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS. FOR BOON CHAPMAN >> THESE ARE THE CHECKS WE RECEIVED... >> EXCUSE ME. I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE A COLD. MY VISION IS BLURRY. I'M TALKING ABOUT ABOUT THE... >> YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH D? >> WELL, I'M CONFUSED RIGHT NOW. AUTHORIZE THE PAYMENT. BILL SPECIAL MOTION. $672. >> SO THEN THERE IS... GIVE ME A SECOND. WE PULLED ITEM D. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM D SINCE YOU HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT. >> YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO B, COMMISSIONER? >> YEAH. I KNOW HOW TO DO IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. ITEM D, COMMISSIONER. MY VISION IS PLURY. >> I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM D. >> OKAY. SECOND: THERE IS A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY [C. Authorize the payment of bills - Special Motions List dated September 14, 2022.] SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER, WE APPROVED ITEM C. IS THAT THE ONE YOU HAD A QUESTION ON? >> YES, IT IS. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> CAN WE PLEASE PASS IT SUBJECT TO THE CONFIRMATION THAT IT OCCURRED PRIOR TO, PLEASE? SO WE CAN GET THESE BILLS PAID? >> YES, MA'AM. LY DO IT SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL RIGHT. NOW THAT DOES COMPLETE THE CONSENT AGENDA REGULAR AGENDA. AND COMING INTO REGULAR AGENDA, [1. Receive presentation regarding Tax Reinvestment Zone (TIRZ) No. 2; discuss and consider recommending expansion of TIRZ No. 2 geographical area and extension of TIRZ No.2 Interlocal Agreement with the City of Corpus Christi.] YOU WILL LOOK TO SEE WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER ONE. WHICH IS RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE TAX REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE EXPANSION OF THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA AND THE EXTENSION OF THE NUMBER TWO IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. I THINK WE HAVE A POWER POINT HERE. OKAY. [01:20:13] SO I APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD MINIMIZE ONLY SO THAT... THERE WE GO. OKAY. OUR AHDIEH, DO WE WANT TO ROLL THROUGH THIS TOGETHER? FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, IT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 2002. IT IS A 20-YEAR TIRS. TAX REINVESTMENT SUM. WE HAD AUTHORIZED BACK IN 2002, THE PARTICIPATION BY THE COUNTY AND COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND I CURRENTLY SIT AS CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS. IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, IT WILL EXPIRE, AND THEREFORE, ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA, WE WILL BE ASKED TO CONSIDER RE-AUTHORIZATION, AND SO IT IS PRESENTED TO YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ECONOMIC TOOL THAT HAS BEEN UTILIZED FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. NAMELY, PARK ROAD 22 AND PACKRY CHANNEL. THE ISLAND HAS BENEFITED BY THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. WHEN I LAST LOOKED AND IT MAY SHOW IT HERE, THE COUNTY PARTICIPATES TO THE TUNE OF APPROXIMATELY $1.6 MILLION PER YEAR. THINK OF IT AS A SAVINGS ACCOUNT , IF YOU WILL. ALSO PARTICIPATING IS THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, AND DELL MAR COLLEGE IN THIS ONE. >> THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT IT. RIGHT. THEY ARE NOT IN IT CURRENTLY. BRENT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE BEEN APPROACHED. I BELIEVE >> THIS WAS A CITY ORIGIN MAY THED TIRS. THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE COUNCIL IS ACTUALLY... THEIR BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND WE HAVE, AS I SAID, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND MYSELF. SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU ARE WELCOME TO JUMP IN. THIS IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES OF THE ISLAND. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. JUST A GENERALIZED... I LOVE ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL SLIDES WITH THAT. THE WILDLIFE. HERE ARE THE BOUNDARIES. AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE COULD... AND AGAIN, THIS IS PROVIDED TO US BY THE CITY OF CAR US CORPUS CHRISTI. BRENT, I DO NOT REPRESENT THAT OUR FOLKS DID IT. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE CITY. >> I THINK THEY DID THIS AT OUR BOARD MEETING AT ONE POINT >> THEY ABSOLUTELY DID. THEY DID. THE WISH IS FOR OUR PARTICIPATION, FOR CONSIDERATION AND I SHOULD JUST COME OUT QUICKLY AND SAY I DO SUPPORT THIS ECONOMIC TOOL, IT IS EXCELLENT TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ALLOCATED FOR GEOGRAPHICAL AREA. IT NOT ONLY DOES GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT IT ALMOST GUARANTEES THAT THE TAXPAYER GETS THAT WHICH THEY BAR GAINED FOR WHEN THEY PAID THEIR COUNTY TAXES. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT BY EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES, WE COULD INCLUDE THE AREA THAT IS WHAT WE KNOW AS COASTAL PARKS. AND WE COULD BENEFIT GREATLY BY SEEING IN THE FUTURE WITH THE RE-AUTHORIZATION OF THE TIRS, THE BRISCOE KING PAVILION, FOR INSTANCE, TO BE ABLE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR SUCH FUNDING. IN ADDITION TO THE $1.6 MILLION THAT WE PUT IN EVERY YEAR, THE TIRS HAS THE ABILITY TO BOND, AND IT ALSO HAS A VERY HEALTHY CASH RESERVES. IN IT RIGHT NOW. ET CAN... IT CAN AFFORD, FOR INSTANCE, TO WRITE A CHECK FOR A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE THE GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARY. SO COMMISSIONER, MY WISH HERE IS... GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. HERE ARE THE ALLOWED USES. AND THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE. I SAID NOVEMBER, IT EXPIRES DECEMBER. SORRY ABOUT THAT >> RIGHT. >> THAT IS ACTUALLY A FISCAL YEAR. BUT OK, IT DOES TAKE TIME TO ALLOW FOR THE... YOU KNOW, FOR THE DOCUMENTS TO BE... I THINK, THE WISH FOR THE CITY WAS NOVEMBER BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE LAWYERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DRAFT NEW DOCUMENT. AGAIN, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, CAPITAL MAINTENANCE, AND PROGRAMS THAT BENEFIT THE ZONE BUT BOWL NOT [01:25:06] OCCUR BUT FOR THE ZONE. OKAY? BY THE WAY, IT TALKS ABOUT DELMAR DID PARTICIPATE, BUT IT ENDED IN 2011. YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE IN IT FOR ALL 20 YEARS. YOU CAN BE IN IT FOR TEN YEARS, LIKE DELMAR DID. THAT IS ALSO AN OPTION. OF COURSE, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT ORIGINALLY, JOHNNY, YOU CAN CONFIRM, YOU WERE IN IT ORIGINALLY. IN TIRS NUMBER TWO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT. FOR YOUR REVIEW. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, ANYTHING HERE YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT? >> JUDGE,... >> IT IS JUST THE PROJECTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT. >> NO. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION AT THE BOARD IS, YOU KNOW, THE EXPANSION OF THE BOUNDARIES AND THE ADDITIONAL REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE I HAVE SUGGESTED. AS WELL I'M SURE YOU HAVE, TOO. >> WHAT WERE YOU THINKING, COMMISSIONER, ON THE BOUNDARIES AND ON THE... >> WELL, THAT IS WHERE WE NEED TO GET JAY GARDNER AND SOME OF THOSE FOLKS. I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON THE BOUNDARIES. BUT THERE IS... I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE. WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD IS THE BOUNDARY ISSUE IS A PROBLEM, BUT WE COULD HAVE AN MOU, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COUNTY PROJECTS COULD BE... COUNTY PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE ANYWAY. TO HAVE A MORE DISTINCT DOCUMENT THAT IS CLEARLY ARTIRK LATED FOR THE NEXT 10 OR 20 YEARS, THAT COUNTY PROJECTS WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED. FOR EXAMPLE, I PUT FORTH A SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE BRISCOE PAVILION BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE FUND. AND SO WE JUST REALLY NEED TO GET TO THE BOARD AND HASH THIS OUT. BUT THAT WAS KIND OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I WAS... >> HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE YOU THINKING? WERE YOU THINKING AN ADDITIONAL TWO MEMBERS? >> MAYBE. YEAH. IT IS STILL GOING TO BE CITY-DOMINATED. >> WELL, IT IS A CITY-ORIGIN NAIL... ORIGINATED. EXCEPT FOR THIS NOW WE HAVE THE POWER BY CONSTITUTION. TO ORIGINATE OUR OWN COUNTY TIRS. >> OR TO OPT IN >> OR TO OPT IN AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A... THAT WAS GIVEN TO US A YEAR AGO. THAT IS WHY WE DIDN'T DO IT BACK IN 2002. IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THE NEXT ONE. THESE TAX INCREMENT ZONES ARE DEFINED BY THE TEXAS TAX CODE. AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WHAT YOU DO, COMMISSIONER, AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT, YOU BASICALLY PROVIDE NOTICE. YOU HAVE A HEARING. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, HAD. THAT IS WHY I PUT IT ON. BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. YOU HAVE TO HAVE TIME TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS. THIS TAKES PLANNING. AND THERE IS AN OPINION THAT THE TIRS COULD BE EXTENDED USING THE STEPS TO FIND IN 311.007. THAT IS THE CONTROLLING. REMEMBER, THE 20 YEARS WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH IT. HOW DO YOU EXTEND OR WOULD YOU RECREATE? RIGHT? AND SO THE EXTENSION, BASED UPON THE CITY'S LEGAL OPINION, I DON'T KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN. FROM BROWN & ORTIZ, THEY SAID IF WE FOLLOW THE STEPS, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTEND, AND THEN, I MEAN, YOU CAN READ THE REST FOR YOURSELF. WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. F THERE IS THE PART I LIKE. THE TIRS BOUNDARIES CAN BE REVISED AT ANY TIME. PARCELS NEED TO BE CONTIGUOUS. AND IT BOUNDARIES... THE PARCELS WOULD HAVE A BASE OF THE YEAR. THEY ARE ADDED SO THE INCREMENT WOULD BEGIN AT ZERO. OKAY. YOU RECALIBRATE. YOU ARE AT ZERO. WHICH IS ANOTHER ISSUE TO FIGURE OUT. DALE, YOU CAN REMIND US ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY AT. WE DON'T HAVE TO STAY AT THOSE PERCENTAGES. >> YES, YOUR HONOR. [01:30:06] >> YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR BASE VALUES ARE CORRECTED SO WE DON'T CONTRIBUTE MORE THAN WE SHOULD >> RIGHT. >> OUR CURRENT RESOLUTION IS A PERCENTAGE BASIS. THAT BASIS >> THE TAX OFFICE DOES EXACT NUMBERS. >> JUDGE, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES TO DOING THIS, TOO, AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE KIND OF GONE ON IN THE MEETINGS THAT I HAVE ATTENDED, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY KEEPING THESE TIRS AT THE 100% LEVEL. >> CORRECT. >> BECAUSE THIS WAS DESIGNED FOR 20 YEARS. ALL THESE TIRS ARE GOING TO COME UP AT SOME POINT. WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE KIND OF A DECISION AS A COURT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WANT TO GO ON THESE THINGS. BASED ON THE FUNDING MECHANISMS AND THE PERCENTAGES THAT GO ALONG WIT THE ADVANTAGE TO DOING THIS IS IF WE DON'T DO IT 100%, WE WILL THEN GET NEW REVENUE THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE. IF WE DO IT AT 100%, THEN WE WON'T. SO I DON'T ADVOCATE... I DON'T THINK YOU DO EITHER. I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR YOU. I THINK YOU HAVE HEARD YOU SAY THIS, TOO. I DON'T ADVOCATE KEEPING THAT NUMBER THERE FOR ANY OF THESE GOING FORWARD TO HAVE TO BE RENEWED. I THINK WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT NEW REVENUE SOURCES AND NOT CONTINUING TO LOSE ALL OF THIS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THAT I HAVE HEARD ON THE BOARD IS ADVOCATING... I THINK THE CITY IS LOOKING AT IT THE SAME WAY. >> 75, I THINK >> I HAVE HEARD 50. I HAVE HEARD 75. AND SO I THINK WE, AS A COURT, NEED TO REALLY TAKE SOME TIME AND THINK ABOUT THIS. THIS WILL SET A PRECEDENT REALLY FOR THE ONES COMING UP. >> RIGHT >> I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE OTHERS WERE NEW. THERE MAY NOT BE ANY MORE RENEWING FOR A WHILE. I DON'T KNOW. IF WE DO, WE ARE KIND OF SETTING THE STANDARD HERE. WE SHOULD TRY TO BE CONSISTENT, IN MY OPINION. WHATEVER PER SEN PERCENTAGE WE COME UP WITH, WHATEVER IT IS, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT IS GOING TO BE NEW REVENUE FOR THE ENTITY THAT DOES THAT. THAT IS EXCITING. >> CORRECT >> THAT IS GOING TO ALSO BE THAT CONTINUED SAVINGS ACCOUNT, AS YOU CALL IT. JUST A GOOD NAME FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE WILL BE ABLE TO REQUEST SOME ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO NEED FUNDING MORE ON THE ISLAND AND ALL OF THESE AREAS. THIS IS A GOOD PROCESS TO GO THROUGH >> RIGHT. AND I ALSO THINK THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE ARE GOING TO FINISH THE SLIDES REAL QUICK. JUST BECAUSE... >> TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS STRAIGHT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NEW REVENUE. YES. NOT NECESSARILY NEW REVENUE. IT IS JUST NOT... IT IS REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF CONTRIBUTION. OUR TAXES ARE STILL THE SAME. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> YOU GET TO KEEP MORE OF THE TAXES >> IT DOESN'T CHANGE TO THE TAXPAYER. WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT. WHAT IT DOES IS IT CHANGES THE WAY OUR REV SNEU ALLOCATED. >> CORRECT >> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO CONSIDER. WHETHER OR NOT AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE CHAIRMAN, BUT HE WON'T BE WITH US NEXT YEAR. HE HAS DECIDED TO RETIRE. THE CHAIRMAN UNDERSTANDS THE VALUE OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU KEEP THE SAME BASE LEVEL OR WHETHER YOU START NEW AGAIN. RIGHT? WHICH IS WHY THAT PROVISION IN THE TAX CODE OF 311.007 IS SO RELEVANT. WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION. I'M PROPOSING THE EASY DECISIONS TODAY, AND I PROPOSE THE MORE DIFFICULT ONES NEXT COURT. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU CAN'T JUST EXPECT THAT ALL OF THIS WILL GET HANDLED OVERNIGHT. YOU HAVE TO START NOW. NOS NOW, THE CITY USES ORTIZ. WE HAVE ALWAYS USED BRACEWELL. SO AGAIN, THEY CAN CREATE SOME PROFILES FOR US. LET ME FINISH THE NEXT FEW SLIDES AND WE WILL BE DONE. AGAIN, KUDOS TO WHOEVER PUT TOGETHER... THEY GET YOUR MIND ALL SOOTHED. THEN THEY GIVE YOU THE PUNCH. RIGHT? HERE IT IS. CURRENTLY 100% TAX INCREMENT ABOVE THE BASE YEAR IS CONTRIBUTED. AS THE COMMISSIONER SAID, THERE IS DISCUSSION OF WHETHER WE WOULD APPROVE 50% OR 75% OR 100%. RIGHT? THE BASE YEAR GENERATES $55,000 IN CITY TAX REVENUE. YOU WILL GO ON DOWN THERE. THIS IS COMING FROM THE CITY. BY THE WAY. OKAY? RECOMMEND A CONTRIBUTION OF LESS THAN 100% FOR ALL PARTICIPATING TAX ENTITIES. WHEN YOU SEE THIS, THIS PRESENTATION CAME FROM THE CITY. THEY ARE THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS A RECOMMENDATION OF A CONTRIBUTION OF LESS THAN 100%. IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT. OKAY? AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE GENERAL FUNDS WERE ALLOCATED TO. OKAY. GO AHEAD. HERE IS WHERE SOME IMPORTANT... [01:35:01] YOU NEED TO, AS I SAY, TAKE NOTE THE ENDING FUND BALANCE FOR THIS YEAR WILL BE $7.8 MILLION. AFTER THE BOND PAYMENT IS MADE. THEY ALSO HAVE A BOND RESERVE OF $1.5 MILLION WHICH WILL BE RELEASED AFTER THE BOND PAYMENT IS MADE. THAT IS A VERY HEFTY CASH RESERVE. FOR AN INCREMENT REINVESTMENT SUM. THE MAINTENANCE RESERVE ALSO HAS A BALANCE. THIS HAS BEEN MANAGED VERY WELL. AND THE CIP FUND HAS A BALANCE OF $4 MILLION ONCE DREDGING TO THE CHANNEL HAS COMPLETED. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEEDING, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, $4 MILLION TO DO A FANTASTIC BRISCOE KING, IT NOT ONLY MEETS THE ELIGIBILITY AS LONG AS IT IS IN THE GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARY, BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF MONEY WHERE YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BOND. IF YOU WANTED TO BOND, YOU COULD. YOU COULD DO IT ON BALANCES ALONE. OKAY? >> WHAT I HAVE ALSO BEEN TOLD IS IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE IN THE GEE GRAPHICAL BOUNDARY TO BE ELIGIBLE. AGAIN, I'M NOT... >> I WOULDN'T FORECAST PUT THAT. I HEAR YOU. >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS... >> YOU AND I ARE LAWYERS. WE NEED TO CHANGE IT SO THERE IS NEVER SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN AND QUESTIONS IT. >> RIGHT. OR SOME SORT OF MOU THAT CLARIFIES IT. >> AN O MOU WOULDN'T HELP US, IN MY OPINION A TAXPAYER WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE. HAD A GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARY THAT WAS... I MEAN, IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CHANGE IT, PUT IT IN. >> I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU. I'M JUST SAYING WHAT HAS BEEN RELAYED TO ME, THAT WE NEED TO GET HASHED OUT. I BELIEVE THAT IF THE BOUNDARIES CAN BE EXTENDED, THEY SHOULD BE. >> GOOD. >> IF THE BOUNDARIES, IF THERE IS SOME LEGAL GLITCH AND WE HAVE TO DO IT IN SOME OTHER WAY SO THAT COUNTY PROJECTS ARE INCLUDED, THAT IS THE KEY. >> I WANT COUNTY PROJECTS TO BE INCLUDED IN SOME WAY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. >> I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU. I NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON IT. >> THAT IS WHAT WE CAN DO HERE TODAY >> WE CAN GET IT EXTENDED, YOU KNOW... THESE THINGS COME UP HERE. WE ALWAYS HAVE TO STICK IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T GO OUT TO THE COUNTY IT DOESN'T REALLY BENEFIT THE WHOLE COUNTY IN THE SENSE, IT BENEFITS A CERTAIN AREA OF COUNTY I THINK WE NEED TO BE, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THIS REALLY CAREFULLY. HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE GO OUT? HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE BE ABLE TO DO ON THE PROJECT? THAT IS GOING TO HELP OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY >> YES, SIR. >> I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT THINGS. YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE STUCK IN THIS AREA HERE. RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE NO CHOICE. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT EXPANSION. >> JUST TO REMIND YOU, COMMISSIONER, WE DO THAT. WE HAVE FIVE TIRS IN THE URBAN CENTER. JUST SO YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, THAT IS WHY THIS COURT AND CHAIRMAN CANALES FOUGHT FOR COUNTIES TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO CREATE TIRS. EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. THE SAME ECONOMIC TOOLS WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE RURAL COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS THE URBAN COMMUNITY. WE NOW HAVE THAT RIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO PROPOSE A TIRS IN A RURAL COMMUNITY, WE CAN DO THAT AS A COUNTY BY CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. F WE VOTED A YEAR AGO ON THAT. HAVING SAID THAT, THE BOUNDARIES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, EXTENDING, MAKES SENSE TO THE NUMBER TWO. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE ON NORTH BEACH, ONE ON GREENWOOD. ONE DOWNTOWN. HELP ME OUT. I THINK THAT IS IT. DOWNTOWN. NORTH BEACH. GREENWOOD. AND... WE ALSO HAVE ONE OF THE... THEY ARE BUILDING THAT BIG FACILITY. >> OKAY. I MEAN, WE HAVE FIVE. I'M PRETTY SURE AT LEAST FIVE. ANYWAY, THE POINT IS THEY ARE VERY SPREAD OUT. IN THE URBAN CENTER. UNTIL LAST YEAR, UNTIL CHAIRMAN CANALES FOUGHT THAT BATTLE, WE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT AS A COUNTY TO DO THAT. WE DO NOW. AND SO WE CAN LOOK TO THE WESTERN AREA. ABSOLUTELY. FORGIVE ME. JOHNNY HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. >> COMMISSIONERS, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS ALSO, AS YOU MENTIONED, JUDGED AS A PARTICIPANT IN THIS. WE ARE INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF THE COUNTY AND WHATEVER YOU DO, BECAUSE WE ALSO FORGO REVENUE LIKE YOU DO THAT GOES INTO THE TIRS. AND SO I WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF THE COUNTY. IF YOU WANT TO PURSUE A REDUCTION OR WHATEVER. WE ARE SUPPORTING THOSE THINGS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, JOHNNY. >> THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, WE WILL GO TO THE LAST TWO SLIDES HERE. THEY ARE ALL THE MONEY SLIDES. OKAY? SO THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE. IN OUR BUDGET. I SAID 1-6. [01:40:02] IT IS MORE LIKE $1.5. SOME OF MY NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE BIT ALTERED. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOR THE NEW TAX YEAR. WHAW YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE CITY PUTS IN, WHAT THE COUNTY PUTS IN, WHAT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT PUTS IN WHAT OTHER REVENUE COMES FROM. TOTAL REVENUE IS ABOUT $5 MILLION A YEAR. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT GROWS. RIGHT? IN 2002, LOOK AT THE REVENUE. $163,000. IT IS EXPERIENCING A 0% INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 30% INCREASE. 2,400% IN THE PAST 20. ISLAND IS DEFINITELY GROWING, AND THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF THAT GROWTH HAS TRANSPIRED THERE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. THIS IS THE FUTURES. RIGHT? WHEN THE COMMISSIONER SAID THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING. IT IS THIS IS THE SLIDE, COMMISSIONER, THAT GIVES YOU SOME CHOICES. 75% OR 50%. AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT, JOHNNY, THE CONVERSATION THAT IS WE HAD WITH THE CITY IS THAT I THINK EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT MAYBE 2002 HEALTH CARE WAS THOUGHT OF IN A CERTAIN WAY, BUT TODAY, WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT THE BURDEN OF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT THAT IS TAKING CARE OF HEALTH OF A COMMUNITY TO PHILOSOPHICALLY BE INVOLVED WITH PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S ... YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS NOT EVEN ON HERE. THAT IS PROBABLY A WISE DECISION FOR THE CITY TO ADVOCATE. IT IS ONE THAT I WOULD SUPPORT. IT MEANS THE COUNTY COULD PARTICIPATE. WE WOULD ALLOW THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TO MAKE THAT REVENUE BACK. GUESS WHAT YOU COULD DO FOR US? OUR TAXES WOULD EVEN GO LOWER. >> I KNEW THERE WOULD BE A CATCH, JUDGE. SO ANYWAY, THIS WAS THE LAST TIRS THAT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT PARTICIPATED IN. THERE WAS A LAW ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE THAT PROHIBITS OUR HOSPITAL DISTRICT, AMONG OTHERS, FROM PARTICIPATING IN THESE. BUT THIS IS THE LAST ONE THAT WE WERE IN BEFORE THE LAW GOT PASSED. JUDGE, THAT LAW GOES EXACTLY TO WHAT YOU SAID. >> YUP. >> SO THANK YOU. >> YUP. SO AGAIN, YOU GET TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE 75%. YOU CAN EVEN DO 75% FOR TEN YEARS. AND THEN 50% FOR THE REMAINING TEN YEARS. SO THIS IS... THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES, THAT WE COULD HAVE IF DELMAR COMES IN, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD FOR 75%. MAYBE FOR THE FIRST TEN. THEN 50% FOR THE NEXT TEN. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU COULD ALWAYS CHANGE IT. TO GO HIGHER. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO CHANGE IT. YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T DO THAT LEGALLY TO GO LOWER. AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO... LET ME JUST GO ONE BACK REAL QUICK >> YOU LOOK AT OUR COUNTY TAX REVENUE WITH 75%, WE STILL WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING QUITE A BIT OF DOLLARS. OVER A MILLION DOLLARS WITH 75%. AND WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS, ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO BRISCOE KING PAVILION, JUST WITH OUR DOLLARS, YOU COULD EASILY BOND WITH TODAY'S INTEREST RATES FOR ABOUT $400,000 A YEAR. STILL LEAVING OVER $800,000 FOR OTHER PROJECTS. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THE DECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE. AND THIS IS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I'M GRATEFUL TO THE CITY FOR HAVING MADE THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY. BECAUSE THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE OUR DECISION. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. AGAIN, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ALLOWABLE USES. WE COULD ALSO USE THESE FUNDS FOR MAINTENANCE OF BOB HALL PIER. IF NEEDED. GO AHEAD. IF THE GEEY OF GEOGRAPHY WAS CHANGED. THESE ARE SOME OF THE IDENTIFIED NEEDS IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. I LIKE THIS BECAUSE THE CITY RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. IT NEEDS TO REFLECT THE CURRENT NEEDS OF THE AREA. AND THE CURRENT NEEDS OF THE AREA DEFINITELY DEMONSTRATE THAT A BRISCOE KING PAVILION UPDATE IS HIGHLY NEEDED AND NECESSARY. AND THE PLAN CAN BE AMENDED AT ANY TIME WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TIRS BOARD AND THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THAT IS IT. DOUBLE-CHECK ME HERE. OKAY. WELL, THESE ARE SOME OF THEIR PROJECTS. CAPITAL MAINTENANCE. MOBILITY. REVENUE-SHARING. FOR A MASTER PLAN. DEVELOPMENT. [01:45:02] NOTICE THAT WITHOUT OUR PROPOSED PROJECTS, NONE OF OUR COUNTY FACILITIES ARE INCLUDED. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE. THE NEXT STEPS. INTERESTING. NONE OF THIS HAPPENED. SO THIS IS WHY I HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY? AND THE LAST STEP IS QUESTIONS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, AS THEY SAID, THE EASY STUFF TODAY AND THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK SOME REAL OPTIONS FOR WHAT I WOULD CALL THE HARDER DECISIONS. SO AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE... TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE TIRS BOARD, THE EXTENSION OF THE TIRS NUMBER TWO IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, PURSUANT TO THE LAW. TEXAS TAX CODE 311.077 AND THAT THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. >> JUDGE, YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP IT GENERAL? >> VERY GENERAL. IT IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR COURT. SO WHEN YOU AND I GO IN THERE. AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS, WE KNOW THAT OUR COURT IS FULLY INFORMED. WE NEED A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COURT TO THE TIRS. THAT WOULD SAY, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING THIS. IF YOU ONLY WANT TO DO IT FOR TEN YEARS, WE CAN DO IT FOR TEN. MY MOTION IS FOR 20. THEN WE CAN MOVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO START AT THE CEILING. THEN WE CAN MOVE DOWN. >> IF WE MAKE IT GENERAL, OR WHATEVER, MAKE IT 10, 20. >> HOW ABOUT JUST THE EXTENSION OF TERS? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT. LIKE WE WERE IN UNISON WITH WHAT OTHER BODIES WERE DOING. THAT KIND OF THING >> THAT IS FINE. I'LL AMEND AND SAY THAT MY MOTION IS FOR THIS COURT TO SUPPORT THE EXTENSION OF THE TIRS PURSUANT TO THE LAW AND THE CODE THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US BY THE CITY AND THAT WE WOULD VOTE TO ENTER INTO THAT NEW AGREEMENT. THAT IS JUST REALLY PHASE ONE, THE EXTENSION. I WOULD LOOK FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY TO BE MY SECOND >> YES, MA'AM. THAT IS IN DISCUSSION. I AM, YES. IN DISCUSSION. THAT WILL BRING BACK TO THE COURT, ONCE WE GO TO THE BOARD AND GET SOME SPECIFICS, SO YOU HAVE SPECIFICS TO VOTE ON >> THAT IS RIGHT. WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT... THIS IS TO ACTUALLY SAY WE, THE COUNTY ARE IN FAVOR OF THE EXTENSION. AND WE HAVE TO GO DO THAT. AND I HAVE A CALL TO ACTION. WE NEED... AND WE HAVE BEEN PROMISED THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE TIRS NUMBER TWO. ALL SUMMER WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE ON. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE ISLAND. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND I BELIEVE THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. SO WITH THAT, IF THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSSION, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE TO SUPPORT THE EXTENSION OF THE TIRS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE >> AYE. >> THE SECOND PIECE IS ALSO VERY GENERAL, COMMISSIONER. AND I WOULD LOOK TO... JENNY IS GOING TO GO, OH, MY GOODNESS. SHE CAN CERTAINLY GET GIS HELP OR, YOU KNOW, MAP HELP. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO EXPAND THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA THAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS COURT , THAT IN THE NEW TIRS, THAT OUR GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES BE EXTENDED TO INCLUDE THE NATURE PARK, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. THAT IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF A ROAD. AS WELL AS THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA THAT WOULD INCLUDE PADRE PARK FACILITIES. I WOULD LEAVE IT AT THAT, GENERALLY. >> JUDGE, WOULD YOU ADD LANGUAGE TO YOUR MOTION THAT JUST SAYS AND/OR INCLUDES ALL COUNTY PROJECTS? >> OKAY. FINE. >> THAT IS FINE. >> IF THERE IS A LEGAL GLITCH. INCLUDES ALL COUNTY PROJECTS IN THE AREA >> OR INCLUDES ALL COUNTY PROJECTS. A LOT OF PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT OUR NATURE PARK: THAT WORRIES ME. >> NO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT AS BROAD AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD SECOND THAT WITH THE AMENDMENT. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. I'M ALSO GOING TO SAY IN RELATED MATTERS, AHDIEH, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN GETTING THE CITY TO GET THIS PRESENTATION ATTACHED. I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKETS, YOU WILL SEE THE OLD CONTRACT, JENNY. IT IS 20 YEARS OLD. I KNOW YOUR PLATE IS FULL. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY START LOOKING AT IT. >> SO YOU MENTIONED OTHERS THAT [01:50:05] HAD BEEN RETAINED IN THE PAST. IS IT THE COURT'S INTENTION... >> HE IS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR. IT SHOULDN'T COST US A DOLLAR TO GET HIM TO DO THE ESTIMATES OF 75%, 50% INTO THE FUTURE. AND I WOULD ASK AHDIEH TO REACH OUT TO HIM AND SAY, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? I WOULD RUN THEM ALL, COMMISSIONER. RUN THEM AT 75%. 50% >> I WOULD RUN THEM AT 60, 65. >> WELL, NOT TOO MANY. >> OKAY >> THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 50 AND 75. IT MIGHT BE IN THE AREA OF 62.75. >> EVERY 5% INCREMENT? >> YEAH. CAN'T HURT. >> IF THE COURT WANTS TO HAVE THIS COMPLETED BEFORE DECEMBER 31 OF THIS YEAR, THEN THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT HANDLED BY OUR OFFICE IN ORDER TO PUT THIS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST >> I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE COMING FROM... >> I THINK IT WILL BE THE CITY. YOU WILL JUST REVIEW. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THEM GIVING US THE 50% TO 75%, WE HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT HE ALSO RUNS IT, ARE YOU KEEPING THE SAME BASE OR NOT? IT IS REALLY A AND B. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS... WHAT ELSE? HOLD ON. OH, ON THE GEOGRAPHY, ON THE LANGUAGE REGARDING THE GEOGRAPHY, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LET BRACEWELL LOOK AT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE ALL OUR TIRS BEFORE. BUT THAT IS SO LIMITED, JENNY. AND AGAIN, WE NEED TO DESCRIBE IT WITH PARTICULARITY. WE WILL LOOK TO SEE HOW THEY DESCRIBE THEIR METES AND BOUNDS. WE WILL DESCRIBE OURS. FOR NOW, THE COURT'S DIRECTION IS COUNTY PROJECTS. IT IS STILL WOULD HAVE TO HAVE VERY SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHY. WE CAN WORK ON THAT. OKAY. I THINK WE ARE GOOD THERE. AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE QUITE A BIT TO WORK ON AS FAR AS THE FINANCIAL PIECES, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK AHDIEH TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A PUBLIC NOTICE BE GIVEN. I'M UNSURE BUT TYPICALLY, IT DOES REQUIRE 0 DAYS, TYPICALLY. 30 DAYS. ALL I'M SAYING TO YOU, GO AHEAD AND BRING TO THE COURT A CONCEPT OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND... SAME SORRY. WHEN PUBLIC NOTICE WOULD BE GIVEN FOR THE COUNTY AND PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS SETTING THE TEMPLATE FOR HOW WE ADDRESS. THE NEXT ONE, BRENT, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO BE... REMEMBER, FOUR AND FIVE JUST GOT CREATED IN OUR TENURE. YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE FOR A WHILE. YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THREE. THE DOWNTOWN ONE. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THINK IT STILL HAS SOME LIFE IN IT. OKAY. WELL, AT ANY RATE, WE WILL MOVE ON. AND WE WILL RECEIVE ITEM NUMBER TWO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT EXERCISE AND... IN UNDERSTANDING THE COMPLEXITIES OF COUNTY [2. Receive presentation from Armor Correctional Health Services, Inc., regarding its provision of medical services at the Nueces County Jail, program status, and related matters.] GOVERNMENT. S RECEIVE A PRESENTATION FROM ARMOR CORRECTIONAL HEALTH SERVICES REGARDING ITS PROVISION OF MEDICAL SERVICES AT THE NUECES COUNTY JAIL AND RELATED MATTERS. ANDS SO HERE WE ARE. NICE TO SEE YOU. >> HOW ARE YOU GUYS? >> WE ARE GOOD. >> GOOD MORNING. >> DO YOU HAVE A POWER POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOADED? IF NOT, NO WORRIES >> I BELIEVE THEY HAVE IT. >> OKAY. GIVE US A CHANCE TO GET IT UP ON THE SCREEN. YOU MAY BEGIN WHEN YOU SEE IT. OKAY. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU THE UPDATE. I'M MANNY FERNANDEZ. DR. FERNANDEZ AND MR. CAMPOS SEND THEIR BEST WISHES. THEY APOLOGIZE THAT THEY WEREN'T HERE WITH ME TODAY. I'LL JUMP WITH RIGHT IN. FIRST OFF, YOU WILL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU CAN SWITCH, JUST A QUICK CLINICAL UPDATE. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SHERIFF AND HIS TEAM, I'M HAPPY TO UPDATE YOU ALL THAT WE ARE CAUGHT UP ON ALL OF THE CLINICAL METRICS. OPERATIONAL METRICS, INSIDE OF THE FACILITY. THAT IS CHRONIC VISITS, SICK CALL VISITS, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH VISITS. IT IS CRUCIAL, CRUCIAL INSIDE THE FACILITY TO HAVE THAT PATIENT MOVEMENT. IT IS A CHALLENGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH THE SHORTAGE OF STAFFING ON BOTH SIDES. BUT HERE, I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE, AGAIN THAT, WE ARE CAUGHT UP AND IT IS, AGAIN, THANKS TO THE SHERIFF AND HIS TEAM FOR BEING [01:55:03] ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE PATIENTS WHEN WE NEED THEM DOWN IN THE CLINIC. SECONDLY, IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH ARMOR AND OUR OBSESSION WITH DATA. I'M HAPPY, AGAIN, TO ANNOUNCE THAT DATA AND... DATA AN ITICS, OUR DASHBOARDS ARE ALL UP FOR NUECES COUNTY I HAVE INCLUDED A SCREEN SHOT HERE OF WHAT YOUR DASHBOARD LOOKS LIKE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THESE WITH YOU ALL. IF YOU RECALL, WE TRY TO PRESENT IN A DASHBOARD ACTIONABLE ITEMS SUCH AS ADMISSION RATE. IF YOU LOOK ON THE DASHBOARD THERE IN THE TOP MIDDLE, THERE IS A 30% MARKER. THAT IS TELLING US THAT WE ARE SENNING ABOUT 30% OF OUR PATIENTS TO THE HOSPITAL. 30% ARE ACTUALLY GETTING ADMITTED. THIS STATISTIC TELLS US IF WE ARE TRULY, TRULY TREATING THE PATIENTS ON SITE OR REFERRING EVERYTHING TO THE HOSPITAL. THIS DASHBOARD OVERALL IS JUST ONE THAT FOCUSES IN ON OFF-SITE UTILIZATION. UTILIZATION OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY. THAT IS WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO SEE A SPECIALIST, WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL. AND THEN DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU SEE YOUR HIGH UTILIZERS. WE HAVE REMOVED THOSE NAMES, OBVIOUSLY. YOU WILL SEE THERE THE REFERRALS FOR THE PATIENTS THAT HAVE GONE OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY FOR CARE THE HIGHEST UTILIZERS, DOWN TO THE LOWEST UTILIZERS. AGAIN, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THESE WITH YOU GUYS. EVERYTHING IS OBVIOUSLY USER NAME AND PASSWORD-PROTECTED. IF SO, PLEETZ LET ME KNOW. I'LL BE SURE TO GET YOU GUYS YOUR OWN UNIQUE AND PERSONAL PASSWORDS. WE HAVE PHARMACY INFORMATION AND EMERGENCY ROOM INFORMATION. THERE IS A WHOLE LIST, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. >> AND WE HAVE NEVER HAD THIS BEFORE. >> WITH ARMOR, YOU ARE SAYING? >> PRIOR. >> NOT THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH I DON'T BELIEVE SO. >> IT IS GREAT DATA. >> THANK YOU. SO OBVIOUSLY, STAFFING. I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT STAFFING INSIDE OF THE FACILITY, AND YOU IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE NUMBER IS 4.6. WE HAVE 4.6 VACANT POSITIONS OUT OF THE 31.1 THAT WE ARE CONTRACTED FOR. THAT GIVES US A 15% VACANCY RATE INSIDE OF THE FACILITY. GIVEN TODAY'S NATURE, THAT DOESN'T SOUND TERRIBLE. HOWEVER, IF YOU DIG IN A LITTLE BIT AND YOU LOOK AT IT ON A POSITION BASIS, YOU WILL SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGISTERED NURSES, WE HAVE CLOSE TO A 40% VACANCY RATE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE DUG INTO THAT 40%. WHAT WE FOUND IS OUR RATES THAT WE ARE OFFERING, OUR RATES ARE PART OF THE CONTRACT HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THE DEMAND OUT IN THE FIELD. SO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU WILL SEE IN THE RED COLUMN, ON AVERAGE, A NURSE, A LICENSED OR LPN OR LVN IS GETTING PAID ON AVERAGE AT ARMOR $25 IN NUECES COUNTY >> WOW. >> THE MARKET RATE WHICH IS A RATE THAT WE HAVE PULLED FROM A PARTNER OF OURS WHICH IS THE ECONOMIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE WHICH WE CALL ERI, TELLS US THAT THE MARKET RATE IN NEW NUECES COUNTY SHOULD BE 26.02 THE WAY THEY PROVIDE US THAT RATE, THEY GO OUT INTO ZIP CODES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND GATHER DATA ON WHAT ACTUAL NURSES ARE GETTING PAID. IT PROVIDES US A RATE BASED ON YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND IT ALSO PROVIDES US A HIGH MEDIUM AND LOW RATE. WE NOW KNOW EXACTLY WHAT NURSES IN NUECES COUNTY BEING PAID. WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO POSITION OURSELVES AROUND THAT 75TH PERCENTILE, KNOWING THAT IF WE OFFER THE MEAN OR THE AVERAGE, WE ARE GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH THE HOSPITALS AND NURSING HOMES. AND IF MOST TIMES, TEN TYPES OUT OF TEN, UNFORTUNATELY, IF A NURSE HAD HAS TO PICK BETWEEN A HOSPITAL AND A JAIL, THEY WILL PICK A HOSPITAL IF THE RATES ARE THE SAME. WE LIKE TO POSITION OURSELVES ABOVE SO WE TRULY GIVE OURSELVES A CHANCE TO RETAIN NURSES LONG-TERM. THE THIRD COLUMN IS THE REJECTED ASKMENT WE CALL IT THE REJECTED ASK. THAT IS WHEN A NURSE REJECTS AN OFFER THAT WE HAVE MADE AT THE $25 RATE. THEY ARE COMING BANG AND SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE PAID $27.50. ON AVERAGE. ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THE REGISTERED NURSES. IF YOU RECALL, OUR REGISTERED NURSES HAVE ROUGHLY A 40% VACANCY RATE. HERE YOU WILL SEE THE DISPARITY BETWEEN WHAT ARMOR IS PAYING AND THE MARKET RATE IS A LITTLE LARGER THAN ON THE LPN SIDE WHERE IT IS ONLY A DOLLAR. HERE, OUR RN'S INSIDE THE FACILITY ARE GETTING PAID ON AVERAGE $35 AN HOUR. THE MARKET RATE, AGAIN, FROM THAT ERI ANALYSIS IS SAYING THAT AN RN ON AVERAGE SHOULD BE PAID $43 AN HOUR. THE REJECTED ASK THERE FROM THE NURSE THAT IS WERE ACTUALLY MAKING OFFERS IS $45. AGAIN, THAT DISPARITY THERE FROM $34 TO $43 IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER. THEREFORE, CAUSING US TO HAVE MORE VACANCIES ON THE RN SIDE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE WASN'T BACK AND AGAIN, WE [02:00:02] LOOK AT EVERYTHING WE HAVE. ALL THE DATA WE SAW THAT ON AVERAGE, AT ARMOR, WHEN WE MAKE TEN OFFERS TO NURSES OR CANDIDATES OUT IN THE FIELD, WE USUALLY GET NINE OUT OF TEN TO ACCEPT THOSE OFFERS. WHICH IS CONSISTENT THROUGH ALL OF OUR SITES. IF WE PULL OUT NUECES COUNTY AND WE LOOK AT THE OFFERS BEING EXTENDED HERE, ROUGHLY FIVE OUT OF TEN ARE ACCEPTING. 54%. ACCEPTANCE RATE. COMPARED TO 89 AT ARMOR. AGAIN, WE DRILL DOWN INTO THAT TO SEE WHAT IS IT THAT IS CAUSING THESE CANDIDATES TO DENY THESE OFFERS? ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU WILL SEE THAT 56% OF THE CANDIDATES DENYING OFFERS ARE BECAUSE OF PAY. THAT MAKES SENSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT DISPARITY. WE ARE OFF $5 OR $6. 26% OF THEM IS SCED JULYING. THE TOUGHEST SLOT OR SHIFT TO FILL INSIDE OF THE FACILITY IS OBVIOUSLY THAT WEEKEND SHIFT. THAT WEEKEND NIGHT SHIFT. IT IS THE HARDEST SHIFT TO FILL EVERYWHERE. IT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS. THAT IS COMMON. THAT NUMBER DOESN'T REALLY SHOCK ME. THE 26. THEN 19% IS NO RESPONSE. WE NEVER HEARD BACK FROM THE CANDIDATE ONCE WE MADE THE OFFER. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO GIVEN ALL OF THAT, THERE IS A 15% VACANCY. HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO REPORT THAT OF THE 31.1 CONTRACTED POSITIONS WE HAVE FILLED 96% OF THE SHIFTS OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS. HOW HAVE WE DONE THAT? IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, I PUT THREE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE HAVE ASSISTED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABLE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. ADD COMPS. THAT IS WHAT WE CALL IT. THEY SHIFT PREMIUM. IF WE HAVE A VACANT SHIFT ON A SATURDAY, WE WILL WILL GO TO OUR NURSES AND OFFER THEM $100, $200, 300 TO WORK THAT SHIFT ON TOP OF THEIR REGULAR PAY PLUS OVERTIME PAY. THE SECOND COLUMN IS WHAT WE CALL AGENCY. AGENCY IS JUST A SUB-CONTRACTED COMPANY THAT PROVIDES US. AGENCY NURSES ARE AT A WAY HIGHER RATE. WE NEED TO FILL THOSE RATES. WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE WE FILL THE SHIFTS ON THE WEEKEND OR ON THAT NIGHT SHIFT. THE LAST ONE IS JUST OVERTIME. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PULL OUR US INS TO WORK OVERTIME AND FILL ADDITIONAL SHIFTS. I'LL PAUSE THERE AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR CURRENT CONTRACT STARTED ON DECEMBER 1, 2020. WE ARE WRAPPING UP YEAR TWO HERE. AT THE END OF NOVEMBER. PART OF OUR CONTRACT WAS THAT IT WAS A FIXED THREE-YEAR CONTRACT WHERE THE PRICE REMAINED THE SAME OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE YEARS. LIKE I SAID, WE ARE WRAPPING UP YEAR TWO. AGAIN, PART OF THE CONTRACT, THE WAY THE BUILDINGS WORK IS THAT ON THE FIRST OF THE MONTH, WE WILL SEND IN AN INVOICE TO NUECES COUNTY. 60 DAYS LATER IS WHEN WE RECEIVE PAYMENT ON THAT INVOICE. WITHIN THOSE 60 DAYS, WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO COVER PAYROLL. WHICH WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM FOUR TO FIVE PAYROLLS. DEPENDING ON THE MONTH. PLUS ALL THE OTHER CHARGES COMING IN THROUGHOUT THOSE TWO MONTHS. CURRENTLY, OUR CONTRACT CALLS FOR A PERFORMANCE BOND. THE PERFORMANCE BOND THAT THE CONTRACT CALLS FOR IS A 100% OF THE CONTRACT VALUE. THE CONTRACT VALUE IS 4.238 MILLION. OR $4.3 MILLION. THE WAY THESE PERFORMANCE BONDS WORK IS WE ARMOR, NEED TO GO THROUGH A SURETY COMPANY TO POST THIS BOND OF $4.2 MILLION. THIS SURETY COMPANY COMES TO US AND SAYS, HEY, ARMOR, WE NEED TO HOLD IN ESCROW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY WHILE WE POST THIS BOND. THINK OF IT AS A SECURITY DEPOSIT. WE HAVE PUT INTO A SECURITY DEPOSIT, $500,000 TO POST THAT $4.2 MILLION. AGAIN, THESE PERFORMANCE BONDS ARE NOT INDUSTRY STANDARDS. I THINK IN MY LIFETIME AT ARMOR, TEN-PLUS YEARS, I HAVE SEEN MAYBE A HANDFUL OF THESE OVER A HUNDRED CONTRACTS THAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO ALTHOUGH I KNOW THIS ISN'T AN ACTION ITEM, OUR ASK IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THAT PERFORMANCE BOND. I'M NOT ASKING TO REMOVE IT. I'M ASKING TO REDUCE IT. DOWN TO 20%. WHICH IS THE CONTRACT... IF YOU DO THAT BASED OFF THE CONTRACT VALUE, IT WOULD BE A BOND OF ROUGHLY $850,000. DOING SO ALLOWS US TO GET SOME MONEY BACK FROM THAT SECURITY DEPOZ SI THAT THE SURETY COMPANY IS HOLDING WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BASED OFF MY ESTIMATES BE ROUGHLY $50,000. ... $350,000. WHAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO DO WITH THAT $350,000 IS REINVEST BACK INTO THE CONTRACT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. REALLY $75,000 TO $80,000. SPECIFICALLY, TO PAY OUR NURSES SO WE CAN FILL THOSE VACANCIES. I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHY WOULD ARMAR ARMOR DO THAT? IF YOU GO BACK THREE OR FOUR SLIDES, I JUST SHOWED YOU THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE WERE SPENDING ABOVE AND BEYOND ON ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION. OVERTIME AND AGENCY. I WOULD RATHER HAVE MY STAFF RECEIVING THAT MONEY LONG-TERM AND IT HELPS ME WITH RETENTION AS WELL. [02:05:02] SO AGAIN, IF WE PUT IN $75,000 OVER THE COURSE OF THIS CONTRACT YEAR, WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE YEARS AFTER THIS NEXT YEAR LEFT. THAT WOULD BE $75,000 THIS YEAR. $80,000 YEAR TWO. AND $90,000 TO $100,000 ON YEAR THREE >> HAVE YOU DONE... HAVE YOU RUN THE NUMBERS WITH THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT OF $75,000, WOULD THAT ALLOW FOR THE MARKET RATE TO BE ACHIEVED FOR BOTH THE LPN'S... >> IT WOULD GET US CLOSE IF YOU LOOK AUTOOUR CONTRACT, LIKE I SAID, FIRST OF ALL, THE BIGGER SPREAD IS ON THE RN SIDE. >> IT IS >> HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRACT, WE ARE ONLY CONTRACTED TO HAVE 7RN'S. >> OKAY >> WE ARE CONTRACTED, I THINK IT IS 14.1 FOR LF PN'S 7 FOR RN'S. I WOULD FOCUS ON THOSE RN'S GHAIN THEY ARE EVEN THE HIGHER LEVEL CLINICIAN, I WOULD LIKE TO FILL THAT. THAT IS WHERE I WOULD FOCUS THOSE FUNDS. RETENTION IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT. >> RIGHT. IF YOU DON'T GET TO MARKET RATE, IT IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. >> YEAH. >> YOUR AGENCY IS STILL GOING TO STAY AT THE SAME LEVEL UNLESS YOUR MARKET RATE IS MARKET RATE >> YES. >> ONCE I COMMIT TO A NURSE, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO PAY THAT NURSE THOSE EXTRA $3 FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YES. >> GO AHEAD. I'LL LET YOU FINISH. >> AND AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE. WE ARE NOT ELIMINATING THIS AT ALL. 20% LEFT ON THE BOND. RIGHT? >> YEAH. I WOULD HAVE TO ASK. WHY DID YOU AWE GREE TO THIS IF YOU WANTED TO COCOME BACK AND REDUCE IT? WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD I, WITH A $4.2 MILLION PERFORMANCE BOND WANT TO REDUCE IT TO $847,000 AND INCUR AN ADDITIONAL $3.SOMETHING MILLION POTENTIAL LIABILITY FOR NUECES COUNTY BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM MORE MONEY. THIS IS A STUNNING REQUEST. I MEAN, YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT. IF YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS SO UNUSUAL WHEN YOU DID IT, AND YOU HADN'T SEEN A LOT OF THESE, FOR GOSH SAKES, THE COUNTY FINALLY ENDED ON A FAVORABLE SIDE OF A CONTRACT. WE ARE ON THE FAVORABLE SIDE AND NOW RESPECTFULLY, YOU WANT TO COME IN AND ASK US TO REDUCE FROM $4.2 MILLION TO $847,000 AND SOMEHOW, THAT IS... NO OFFENSE. THAT IS REASONABLE REQUEST IN SOMEONE'S MIND? I MEAN, IT IS A GREAT EFFORT TO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO USE SOME OF THIS MONEY TO PAY NURSES MORE. THAT IS A GREAT APPROACH. YOU PUT US ALL ON... OH, GOSH, WE CAN PAY NURSES MORE. THEN YOU WANT US TO REDUCE OUR LIABILITY BY $3.3 MILLION. I WOULD RATHER FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COME UP WITH THE $3 FOR THE NURSES TO REDUCE YOUR BOND ON THIS THING. HOLY COW. LIKE I SAID, WE FINALLY HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE CAN GO, WE WON ONE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T... I'M NOT FAVORABLE... I KNOW IT IS NOT A MOTION TODAY. IT IS DISCUSSION. KNOW WHEN YOU COME BACK IN, I'M ONLY ONE, YOU MIGHT WIN 4-1 I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE TO REDUCE THE COUNTY'S LIABILITY TO $847,000 AND LEAVE US HANGING FOR $3.3 MILLION. THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. SORRY. YOU KNOW... >> WELL, THERE IS NO ACTION ITEM TODAY. >> I KNOW. I WANT HIM TO KNOW. HE CAN WORK... SEE IF EVERYBODY ELSE CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND. >> I APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND GIVING THIS PRESENTATION. I'LL TELL YOU. A LOT OF TIMES, THE WAY THAT WE WORK HERE IS IT'S GIVING ALL IN ONE LUMP SUM. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. ALL DONE AT ONE MEETING THE FACT THAT YOU OR STAFF OR WHOEVER HAS ASKED TO PUT THIS AS HAS GIVEN SOME FORETHOUGHT TO... YES, THIS IS A BIG ASK. AND SO MAYBE YOU REALIZE THAT. HOPEFULLY, YOU WILL SEE THAT, I THINK, THE MAJORITY OF US WILL HAVE SOME CONCERN ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. I TOTALLY AGREE ON THE COST. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE, THE STATE PAYS PRETTY WELL FOR NURSES AND DENTAL HYGIENISTS. IN PRISONS. BECAUSE OF THE SETTING. THEY HAVE TO PAY PRETTY WELL. I GET THAT I MEAN, GO LOOK AT A JOB BOARD FOR F THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS. WHEN THOSE POSITIONS OPEN UP, THEY PAY A LOT BETTER THAN YOU [02:10:03] WOULD FIND OUT KIND OF ON THE STREET OR AT THE HOSPITAL. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO I GET THAT PART OF IT. AND I GET THE PART OF REQUESTING LESS FOR THE PERFORMANCE BOND. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT WERE A SMALLER ASK. YOU STILL WOULD BE ABLING TO REINVEST IN NURSES. AND GIVE THEM A HIGHER RATE TO MAKE IT A MORE ATTRACTIVE POSITION. BUT ALSO THAT WE ARE NOT DECREASING WHAT I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT DOLLAR AMOUNT. ESPECIALLY AS WE ARE DOING WITH ALL OF THIS I LOVE THE DATA. THAT IS WHERE Y'ALL SOLD ME TWO YEARS AGO. I WAS GOING SAY LAST YEAR. OH, MY GOSH, IT HAS BEEN TWO YEARS. I'M GLAD YOU SAID 2020. THAT WAS A CRAZY YEAR FOR US. FOR EVERYONE: BUT THAT, THAT FACT THAT YOU HAD THAT DATA, THAT DASHBOARD THAT YOU HAVE, I KNOW I WOULD LIKE IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING AVAILABLE FOR THE ENTIRE COURT. EVERYONE WANTS ACCESS TO THAT. WE COULD SIT ON-LINE EVEN VIRTUALLY TO WALK THROUGH IT. >> YEAH. I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT >> IT WAS PRESENTED VERY WELL. BACK BEFORE THIS VOTE. LIKE I SAID, THAT IS WHAT I LIKED ABOUT IT. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF COMPARE, YOU KNOW, APPLES TO APPLES. RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THIS IS SO PROGRESSIVE IN ITS APPROACH COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE HAD BEFORE. RIGHT? I THINK IT IS HARD... YOU ARE THE BASE LINE. YOU ARE SHOWING US WHERE YOU STARTED. COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE HAD, THERE IS NO COMPARISON. RIGHT? AND I REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THAT DATA IS JUSTIFIED HOW WELL ARE WE DOING NOW IN RESPONDING TO THE INMATES WHEN THEY HAVE THOSE NEEDS FOR MEDICAL CARE? WHERE IS THAT SAVING US ON LABOR HOURS PUT IN, ON TRANSPORTING ISSUES. BECAUSE ONE THING YOU HEAR FROM THE SHERIFF ON THIS ISSUE OR ANY OTHER TRANSPORTING IS IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS TIME FOR HIM AND HIS CORRECTIONS OFFICERS BECAUSE YOU ARE HANDLING THE INMATE AND MOVING THEM OUTS INTO THE PUBLIC OR TO A NON-SECURE OR LESS SECURE SETTING THAN A JAIL SETTING. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW AND WHY WE PICKED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. I STILL KNOW WHY. I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A BIG ASK. I HOPE, I HOPE THAT YOU WERE SHOOTING HIGH KNOWING THAT WE WERE PROBABLY GOING TO ASK FOR SOMETHING MORE IN THE MIDDLEFUL RIGHT? THAT COULD EASILY BE REACHED. THAT WE ARE REDUCING THE REQUEST, BUT THAT THERE IS STILL A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF PERFORMANCE BOND THAT IS STILL BEING ALLOCATED. AND YOU CAN STILL REINVEST THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT OR RETAIN THESE RN'S OR LPN'S. THAT IS WHAT I'M KIND OF GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR. >> OKAY >> BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US AGAIN. HOPEFULLY, WE WILL WORK ON THAT. AND WHOEVER ELSE WITH OUR STAFF CAN HELP. >> ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LOVE TO >> I AGREE. IT IS BIG. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. WE GO OFF OF WHAT YOU ARE PRESENTING. EVEN ONE OF YOUR STRONGEST SUPPORTERS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE INITIAL PRESENTATION AND THE ADOPTION OF YOUR CONTRACT TO NOW, THAT IS A BIG PRICE DIFFERENCE. IF WE CAN FIND SOMEWHERE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO WORK THROUGH, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF IT. IF YOU CAN GET ME THAT ACCESS TO THAT DATA, I WOULD LOVE TO LOOK AT IT. JUST TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BET BIT BETTER THE PRESENTATION YOU GAVE US TODAY I THINK HAS REALLY HELPED SEE THE NUMBERS. SEE THE MORE FREQUENT USERS. ALL OF THAT THAT YOU PRESENTED HAS BEEN TRULY HELPFUL. AND THAT IS WHAT I THINK OBVIOUSLY, WHAT HEALTH CARE FOR JAILS ARE NOW ACROSS THE BOARD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. AND THAT GOES TO SHOW THAT WE ARE, HOPEFULLY, CUTTING EDGE HERE IN NUECES COUNTY WE NEED TO BECAUSE IT BRINGS COSTS DOWN. IT IS BETTER FOR THE INMATE. BETTER FOR THE COUNTY ON LIABILITY. IT IS JUST THAT THAT PERFORMANCE BOND, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT RIGHT NOW. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> WE WILL WORK ON IT. DID WE SAY A TIME WHEN WE ARE COMING BACK WITH THIS? >> OCTOBER. >> CAN I ASK ONE MORE SET OF QUESTIONS? I FORGOT. JUDGE, IS THAT OKAY? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> JOHN, WERE YOU DONE? MAKING SURE. I NEED TO... I FORGOT BECAUSE I GOT SO CAUGHT UP ON THIS PERFORMANCE BOND. AGAIN, WHEN YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT, WHY DID THESE RATES FOR THE NURSES GET QUOTED IF WE KNEW THEY WERE LOW? WHY WASN'T THAT FACTORED IN ALSO AT THAT POINT? I MEAN, YOU GUYS DO HUNDREDS OF THESE. SO TELL ME WHY WE ARE IN THIS POSITION TO WHERE WE ARE SO MUCH LOWER. WHY WOULDN'T THIS BE ADDRESSED WHEN WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> OR WHEN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT SIGNED THE CONTRACT. THIS IS A THIRD PARTY AGREEMENT, TOO. >> YES. >> IT IS NOT COMPLETELY UP TO US HERE >> UNDERSTOOD. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SIGNED THE [02:15:02] CONTRACT, IT IS A THREE-YEAR FIXED CONTRACT. HOWEVER, BUILT INTO THAT THREE-YEAR FIXED FEE, WE HAVE INCREASES YEAR OVER YEAR. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL CPI, YOU WILL SEE THE ON-AVERAGE RATES HAVE GONE UP FROM 20% TO 3%. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE CPI RATE HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST TWO, THREE MONTHS. IT IS 9%. 8%. WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT YEAR OVER YEAR, INTERNALLY, WITHIN THE CONTRACT, WE HAVE THESE INCREASES OF 2% TO 3% GIVEN TO NURSES. HOWEVER, THE MARKET IS DEMANDING THAT WE INCREASE 8% TO 9%. BACK IN 2020, WE HAD NO WAY OF PREDICTING THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. ESPECIALLY IN THE NURSING MARKET. WE HAVE NURSES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY ARE DEMANDING THEY GET PAID $60 AN HOUR. I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THE RN'S WERE GETTING PAID LESS THAN $30 AN HOUR. I THINK THIS IS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. IT REALLY HAD NOTHING TO BASE IT OFF OF TO TELL YOU THAT, HEY, I KNEW IN THE FUTURE THAT THE RATES WERE GOING TO GO UP 8% >> IN THEORY, IN THEORY, YOU ARE CONTRACTED WITH THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. SO YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS. AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE... LIKE I SAID, WE SO MANY UNFAVORABLE CONTRACTS IN THIS COURT. THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE THAT MAY BE FAVORABLE. IT IS A HOSPITAL DISTRICT CONTRACT. JOHNNY NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON HIS THOUGHTS. BUT I MEAN, SO REALISTICALLY, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STAFF THIS WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU HAVE TO GO PAY THIS. YOU HAVE TO GO FIND THESE NURSES AND PAY THEM. I MEAN, ARE WE OBLIGATED FOR THAT? IF WE ARE, THEN WE WOULD PAY FOR THE EXTRA NURSES. IF WE ARE NOT, THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT ON YOUR CONTRACT AMOUNT. RIGHT? >> NO. CORRECT. THAT IS WHY I INCLUDED THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST WHATEVER THE CONTRACT SAYS WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FILLING THOSE SHIFTS. >> RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT I'M SAYING IN REGARDS TO THESE NURSES, DOESN'T THE CONTRACT SAY YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO... >> YES. >> TO FUND THESE THINGS? SO THE CONTRACT CURRENTLY SAYS ... I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COURT UNDERSTANDS THIS. I THINK... YOU ARE SAYING YES. YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THIS MESS OUT YOU ARE COMING BACK TO... NOT A MESS. IT IS NOT A MESS YOU CREATED. IT IS A MESS OF THE MARKET. YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND FUND THESE NURSES AND PAY THEM AND GET THIS THING STAFFED. AND WE HAVE FULFILLED OUR OBLIGATION BY WHATEVER THE CPI INCREASES WERE, WHATEVER. WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. SO EVERYTHING YOU ARE ASKING FOR TODAY IS AN ASK OF THIS COURT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IF WE JUST SAID WE ARE NOT INTERESTED. RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. I WANT THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. RIGHT? THIS IS THEIR OBLIGATION TO FIGURE THIS OUT. THEY ARE ASKING FOR US, NO OFFENSE. I'M NOT USING THE WORDS MEAN OR ANYTHING, TO BAIL THEM OUT OF A CONTRACT THAT THEY SIGNED THAT THEY ARE UNDER OBLIGATION TO FULFILL BY MAKING IT SOUND LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND USE THIS MONEY FOR THE PERFORMANCE BOND FOR THE NURSES WHEN, IN FACT, THEY HAVE TO DO THAT WHETHER WE SAY YES OR NO. SO THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STAFF THIS THING WHETHER WE SAY YES OR NO. SO WE ARE GETTING NOTHING IF WE DO THIS, THAT I CAN SEE, OTHER THAN JUST GIVING SOMETHING AWAY FOR NOTHING. WE ARE NOT GETTING ANYTHING IN RETURN. THEY HAVE TO FUND THESE NURSES. THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT IS STAFFED. IF WE AGREE TO ANYTHING THEY ARE DOING, THEY ARE ASKING FOR, AND AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE ARE SAYING, WE ARE GIVING SOMETHING AWAY FOR ABSOLUTELY ZERO. AND GETTING ZERO IN RETURN. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND. YOU DID WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO. THAT IS GREAT. I WANT THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THIS ISN'T... LIKE, WE ARE GETTING SOMETHING HERE IF WE REDUCED THE BOND. WE ARE GETTING ZERO. THEY HAVE TO DO THIS. SO THAT IS... I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT THIS PERFORMANCE BOND. THIS IS A STAGGERING ASK. >> JUST REMEMBER, THERE IS NO ASK HERE. THERE IS NO AGENDA ITEM HERE. >> NO. BUT IT IS. IT IS. HE IS COMING BACK AND ASKING, JUDGE >> WELL, YOU MAY HAVE... >> THAT IS WHAT HE SAID. THAT IS WHAT THE PRESENTATION SAID. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT WE ARE JUST RECEIVING INFORMATION HERE TODAY. JOHNNY? >> JUDGE AND COMMISSIONER, IN THE INTEREST OFFINGS IN, LET ME CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, IN OUR AGREEMENT, WE ARE CROSS-CHECKING THIS I'M PRETTY SURE IN OUR AGREEMENT, THAT IT IS STIPULATING TO HOURS OF NURSING COVERAGE THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE. IT DOES NOT STIPULATE THE RATE. OKAY? >> I'M SORRY SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME >> IT STIPULATES THE HOURS OF NURSING COVERAGE THEY MUST PROVIDE. >> CORRECT >> IT DOES NOT STIPULATE THEIR PAY RATE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT GOES TO COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S POINT. SECOND, SINCE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT, WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING THAT CREATES RISK OR EXPOSURE THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE TO THE PARTIES. SO TO THE DEGREE YOU REDUCE THE PERFORMANCE BOND, YOU CREATE RISK FOR YOURSELF AND EXPOSURE. AND SO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I WOULD JUST REMIND THE COURT THAT ARMOR CAME TO... NOT FORMALLY TO THE COURT BUT INFORMALLY BACK LATE LAST YEAR AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND ASKED TO ASSIGN THIS CONTRACT TO AN ENTINTFY THAT THEY... OR A [02:20:04] SUBSIDIARY THEY HAD THAT AT BEST, DID NOT HAVE ANY ASSETS. THIS IS A CONTINUING SORT OF PRESENCE, I GUESS, BY ARMOR IN WANTING TO REDO THE FEATURES OF THIS AGREEMENT. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT INFORMALLY SAID BACK THEN THAT WE WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF REASSIGNING THIS AGREEMENT TO ANYONE ELSE. BECAUSE OUR AGREEMENT IS WITH ARMOR. AND THE COMPANY THEY SUGGESTED IS WE REASSIGN DIDN'T HAVE ANY ASSETS. IN THIS CASE TODAY, WE ARE OPPOSED TO ANYTHING THAT, LIKE I SAID, CREATES RISK OR EXPOSURE FOR THE PARTIES. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COURT. I CAN SPEAK FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TODAY. >> UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. ANYTHING FURTHER HERE? CAN I MOVE ON? >> YOU CAN MOVE ON. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3. [3. Discuss and consider approval of Supplemental Agreement with Steve Bonner related to consulting regarding Intergovernmental Support Agreement (IGSA) with Naval Air Station Corpus Christi.] DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH STEVE BONNER. RELATING TO INTERGOVERNMENTAL SUPPORT DPREEMENTS WITH THE NAVAL AIR STATION. STEVE, YOU HAVE BEEN PATIENT. YOU HAVE ON-LINE WITH US. YOU ARE HERE AS A RESOURCE. WE HAVE THIS ITEM AS PART OF THE AGENDA JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT HAS... IT IS INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET. THIS IS NOT AN ASK THAT WOULD BE EXTRA. THIS IS TO CONTINUE SERVICES KIND OF AN ON-NEEDED BASIS. A DAY YOU HELPED MAKE THIS... I GUESS, NOT TO EXCEED. >> THAT IS CORRECT, JUDGE. THIS IS PART OF THE BUDGET. IT IS... >> IT IS NOT TO EXCEED $27,000. >> THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS REQUEST IS $17,280. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE >> I'M SORRY, JUDGE. I'LL SECOND. SORRY, SORRY >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> JUST... YOU SAID THIS WAS JUST AN EXTENSION OF WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING? >> THIS IS FOR THE WHOLE YEAR EXTENSION. >> THIS IS FOR THE... IT HAS TO BE... >> I CAN'T HEAR YOU. >> I BELIEVE IT IS FOR THE YEAR. >> THAT IS CORRECT >> IT HAS A NOT TO EXCEED DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO IT IS KIND OF WHEN LISTENS IT IS NOT LIKE SOMETHING... >> IT IS A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. YES. >> IT IS FOR WHEN WE NEED IT. IT IS THERE. FOR EXAMPLE, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF FINALIZING THAT VERY FIRST WORK AUTHORIZATION ORDER. BUT AGAIN, AFTER THAT GETS DONE, UNLESS... IT IS AN ON-NEEDED BASIS. RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WHAT IS THE $780 TRAVEL? WHAT IS THAT FOR? >> IT IS FOR TRAVEL EXPENSES. WHEN HE HAS TO COME HERE TO THE BASE... >> OH, OKAY. WHERE DOES HE LIVE? >> STEVE? YOUR RESIDENCE IS... ARE YOU... >> HE CAN ANSWER THAT. >> STEVE? ARE YOU STILL WITH US? I'M FEELING LIKE IT IS THE HILL COUNTRY. I COULD BE WRONG. >> I WANT TO GET THAT INFO FOR YOU. >> ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, HE LIVED IN WASHINGTON. I'M PRETTY SURE HE IS A TEXAN AND LIVES HERE IN TEXAS. STEVE, ARE YOU WITH US? OKAY. OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. I'LL GET YOU THAT ANSWER TO MAKE SURE. OKAY. [4. Discuss and consider Supplemental Agreement with Legislative Consultant, Patricia Shipton, for services related to the 88th Texas Legislative Session, strategic planning, consulting, and governmental relations services; discuss and consider Supplemental Agreement with Legislative Consultant, Joel Romo, for services related to the 88th Texas Legislative Session, strategic planning, consulting, and governmental relations services.] OKAY. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. DISCUSSING A SET OF SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE... THESE ARE ALL HAPPENING FOR THE AUDIENCE BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE END OF A FISCAL YEAR. AND SO IN SOME CASES, IT IS TO GET US THROUGH THE NEXT TIME. AND THEN IN THIS CASE, IT WAS THE EXPIRATION OF A PRIOR CONTRACT. CONNIE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> EXCUSE ME, JUDGE. >> STEVE BONNER SAID HIS ZOOM IS LAGGING. HE IS TRYING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >> OH, YES. SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS. IT LAGS. HE CAN PUT IT IN THE CHAT ROOM. >> YES. COMMISSIONER? >> YES. I WAS ALSO WAITING FOR MR. BONNER'S RESPONSE. >> I'M SORRY. >> OKAY. I'LL GET THAT FOR YOU HERE SHORTLY. THERE IS, LIKE, A MINUTE OR TWO LAG TIME. STEVE, THE QUESTION, IF YOU CAN HEAR, IS ARE YOU A TEXAN? DO OFF REZ DEBTS... DO YOU HAVE A RESIDENCE HERE IN TEXAS? I KNOW HE WORKS FOR MILITARY BASES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. I CAN TEXT HIM TOO [02:25:03] >> HE LIVES IN BOURNE, TEXAS >> THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT. HE IS FROM BERNIE, TEXAS. >> OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON. THE NEXT ONE IS ANOTHER AGREEMENT. TO CONTINUE THE WORK THAT WE HAVE WITH PATRICIA SHIPTON FOR SERVICES RELATED TO THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. AND CONSUL TALT JOE ROMO. AND FOR BOTH, IT INCLUDES STRATEGIC PLANNING. CONSULTING, AND GOVERNMENTAL RELATION SERVICES. AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. ALL IS THE SAME. AND THE TIME FRAME IS THROUGH-- HELP ME OUT-- NEXT SEPTEMBER. >> JUDGE, I WAS GOING TO... I WANTED TO EXTEND. I WANTED TO EXTEND THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO I DON'T WANT TO VOTE AGAINST IT BUT I DON'T WANT TO EXTEND THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF '23 AT THIS POINT. SO I'M INTERESTED IN EXTENDING THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND DOING IT IN THAT NATURE. IF I VOTED... IF YOU GOT A SECOND, I VOTED NO. IT WAS NOT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO EXTEND THEM. I JUST DON'T WANT TO EXTEND THEM FOR THIS LENGTH OF TIME >> YOU DO KNOW THERE IS A SESSION IN JANUARY. >> I GET IT. >> IT IS OVER WHEN? >> I WANT TO EXTEND THROUGH DECEMBER OF '22. THEN REVISIT AGAIN AT THE END OF THE YEAR. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I MEAN, YOU MADE A MOTION. >> YEAH. IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET ME GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AND START ALL OVER AGAIN IN DECEMBER. I MEAN, THESE GUYS NEED TO MAKE PLANS FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I DON'T KNOW. IS THERE A CONCERN THAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE THEM FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN >> I WOULD EXTEND... I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO IT THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. AND WE COME BACK IN NOVEMBER SO THAT IT IS CLEAR. SO WE CAN CLEARLY ARTICULATE THAT AT THE END OF NOVEMBER. >> DECEMBER. >> OR FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER. WHENEVER THAT MIGHT BE. >> ALL RIGHT. >> MY QUESTION, COMMISSIONER IS THAT THE WE DO IT IN DECEMBER, WE WILL COME BACK IN JANUARY AND APPROVE FROM JANUARY TO, TO JULY OR WHATEVER. >> RIGHT. THAT IS JUST WHAT I'M PROPOSING. SO WE COME BACK CLOSER TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND SEE WHERE WE ARE. GET SOME MORE REPORTS AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON. SEE WHERE WE GO. I MEAN, THAT IS JUST MY IDEA. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WHAT EVERYBODY... >> WELL, LET ME, LET ME TRY TO GET SOME MORE DISCUSSION. SO WE ARE NOT WASTING OUR BREATH HERE. IS THAT THE WILL HERE OF THIS COURT? >> I THINK MY OPINION IS THAT IS A TOUGH TIME TO TRY TO REGROUP. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE GOING ON MY FOURTH, I THINK, SESSION SINCE GETTING ON THIS COURT, AND TWO OF THOSE TIMES, I THINK, WE WERE KIND OF SCRAMBLE TO GET A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA PUT TOGETHER AND WE DID IT BEFORE WITHOUT REALLY ANYONE HELPING WORK AS A CONSULTANT OR A LOBBYIST FOR US. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE TIME THAT WE DID, I THINK WAS MUCH BETTER. IT WAS SMOOTHER. PUTTING US, YOU KNOW, AT THE START OF THE SESSION, I THINK, IS VERY DIFFICULT. I THINK FOR THOSE THAT WE ARE ASKING TO ENTHER THE CONTRACT FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. THEN I'M SURE THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOBBYISTS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE ON A GROUP, YOU KNOW, FOR WORK STARTING IN JANUARY. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS... HOW DOES THIS WORK IN IN OUR PLAN. I MEAN, I ANTICIPATE HAVING A MEETING ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA REALLY BY NEXT MONTH. I WOULD THINK OCTOBER IS THE TIME TO DO IT. SOME COUNTIES HAVE BEEN DOING IT ALREADY FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW. IN PLANNING FOR WHAT KIND OF BILLS, LOCAL BILLS WE WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS NUECES COUNTY AND OUR INTRES. THAT KIND OF WORSIES ME ON THAT. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE CONTRACT AS PRESENTED. THEN I'LL LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE COURT AS WELL. >> JOHN, I THINK YOU NEVER KNOW HOW STATEWIDE ELECTIONS ARE GOING TO GO. WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES ON THIS TEAM. WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY BUDGETED. I THINK THEY BOTH DO A GREAT JOB. I THINK IT IS... WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE HOW THESE STATEWIDE ELECTIONS GO TO BE A... TO BE REAL CANDID, TO SEE IF WE ARE APPROPRIATELY REPRESENTED. THAT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO. THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK. THAT IS WHY I SAID EXTEND THEM THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. OUR AGENDA IS NOT GOING TO [02:30:02] CHANGE. IT IS GOING TO BE A MATTER OF WHETHER OUR LEDGE SLAY TY TEAM CHANGES. YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. PEOPLE TAKE THINGS LIKE THIS ON THE FLY. IF WE HAVE OUR AGENDA ESTABLISHED AND PUT FORTH WHICH WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP DOING THAT, THAT IS WHY I WANTED TO EXTEND THROUGH DECEMBER. OUR AGENDA IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, OUR TEAM MAY HAVE TO. WE NEED TO LOOK AND SEE HOW THESE STATEWIDE ELECTIONS GO TO SEE IF WE NEED TO REPOSITION OURSELVES. >> IT IS AN INTERESTING PREDICTION. >> IT IS NOT A PREDICTION. >> THAT OUR STATE LEADERSHIP MAY CHANGE. >> IT IS NOT A PREDICTION, JUDGE >> I KNOW. YOU ARE SAYING YOU MAY HAVE TO PIVOT. >> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND BE REALISTIC. >> YOU BRING UP A POINT. IT COULD BE VALID. HAVING SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE WORKED IN THE LEGISLATURE, THAT BILLS THAT GET FILED EARLY HAVE THE BEST CHANCE OF SUCCESS. OUR LEGISLATIVE TEAM THAT WE HAVE NOW HAS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION. THAT IS WHO THEY WOULD BE WORKING WITH. WE WORK ACROSS THE AISLE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO HERE IN SOUTH TEXAS. THIS TEAM KNOWS OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION. THEY KNOW THEIR STAFF. THEY ARE ALREADY EXPECTING AN AGENDA SO THAT CAN BE WORKED ON. IT WOULD BE STRANGE TO THINK THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE IN DECEMBER AND THAT WOULD REALLY SET US BACK. IF YOU HAD NEW PEOPLE TO HAVE TO LEARN NEW STAFF AND NEW RELATIONSHIPS FS. THAT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF NUECES COUNTY BUT AGAIN, WE WILL PERMIT. WE WILL DO IT. WE HAVE THE MOTION. LET US TRY IT THIS WAY. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BILLS THAT NEED TO GET FILED, YOU KNOW, AND THE MOTION ... IT IS TOO LATE IN JANUARY. >> I SURE DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD WANT TO GO TO SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR >> I MEAN, WE CAN CHANGE THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THAT. I THINK IT WAS JUST... THAT IS HOW IT WAS PRESENTED. >> NO. >> IT CAN BE MODIFIED TO THE END OF THE SESSION >> YES. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT >> END OF THE SESSION MAKES SENSE. >> I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T DO IT UNTIL LATER BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T SIGN THE BILLS UNTIL LATER. RIGHT? A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF CLEAN-UP. WE COULD DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH OUR PREVIOUS... USUALLY, WE DO IT THROUGH JUNE, I THINK. SESSION USUALLY ENDS... >> IN MAY. >> THEN HE SIGNS IN JUNE. AND AGAIN, WE COULD DO THAT. WE COULD HAVE THAT LOOK AGAIN. AND SAY THAT IT ENDS JUNE 15. JUNE 5? I MEAN,... I LIKE JUNE. ALSO, I THINK THIS IS A CLANS FOR THEM TO GIVE US, SAY, A WRAP-UP TO COME IN AFTER THE SESSION. TO KIND OF HELP DEBRIEF AND REGROUP. I LIKE THAT IT SHORTENS THAT UP. I LIKE THAT IDEA. >> I MEAN, I'LL AMEND TO MY MOTION WHICH IS PENDING, THAT THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT BE AMENDED TO... IS JUNE 15 ADEQUATE? I MEAN, THAT GIVES US ONE COURT TIME TO HEAR FROM THE WRAP-UP. I'LL SAY JUNE 15. >> THAT IS MORE REASONABLE TO ME, JUDGE. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT IS REASONABLE. MOTION AND... JOHN, YOU WILL NEED A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MAREZ. >> ALL TO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> JUNE 15. >> STARTING NOW TO JUNE 15. >> YES. >> NOT TO SEPTEMBER. YES. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE. PERSONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR EMPLOYEE HEALTH... >> TO BE CLEAR, THAT WAS FOR SHIPTON AND ROMO. >> YES >> TO BE CLEAR. OKAY. >> THANK YOU. [5. Discuss and consider approval of Personal Service Contract with Tomas Duran for employee health insurance benefits management and consulting for Fiscal Year 2022-2023.] PERSONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS MANAGEMENT. FOR FISCAL... THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. WHICH OF COURSE, BEGINS ON OCTOBER 1. WE ARE TRYING TO GET READY HERE. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY CHANGES, AS I SAW IN MY AGENDA BOOK. >> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT, JUDGE >> NO CHANGES HERE. >> JUDGE, JUST A CLARIFICATION. >> ABSOLUTELY >> AND I MOVE TO PASS THIS, TOO, BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE I DO GET A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. THE REASON WE DO THIS IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T MAKING... I DON'T MEAN TO BE TAKING PEOPLE'S MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE'S POCKETS. NOW WE ARE PAYING SOMEONE INSTEAD OF PAYING COMMISSIONS SO [02:35:02] WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE GETTING THE BEST PRICES AND WE AREN'T GETTING SOMETHING FROM SOMEONE THAT IS GETTING A HUGE COMMISSION. SO I GET THAT THIS IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT I THINK IT IS WELL-EARNED. IT IS, LIKE, WAY MORE THAN PAID FOR ITSELF OVER THE YEARS. BECAUSE WE AREN'T PAYING... WITH OUR PROPERTY CASUALTY, WE WERE PAYING, LIKE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN COMMISSIONS UNTIL WE CHANGED THAT SYSTEM TO BRING IN THE COMPANY WE BROUGHT IN THERE. THAT WAS ON THE HEELS OF HAVING DONE IT THIS WAY ON OUR HEALTH. I DO THINK IT IS JUST KIND OF IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT SO CONSTITUENTS KNOW THIS SAVES US MONEY. THIS HAS SAVED US MONEY,. IN THE DECISIONS THAT WE MADE AND THE COMMISSIONS WE DON'T PAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. IT IS A ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT, JUDGE. >> I'LL NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. OH, I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER CHESNEY WAS THE FIRST. HIS WILL BE THE SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ WILL BE THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. [6. Discuss and consider location/space for auxiliary court.] >> AYE. >> NOW WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AUGUST SULRY COURT URT AUXILIARY COURT. THIS WAS A COURT THAT WAS FUNDED FROM OCA. THE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION. THEY GAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH AN AUXILIARY COURT. THINK OF IT AS AN EXTRA COURT SO WE CAN START MOVING THE BACKLOG OF CASES. WE DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THESE FUNDS EXCEPT FOR ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY ARE COMING OUR WAY. AND THIS COMES FROM THE STATE. >> HOW MUCH WAS IT, JUDGE? >> WAS, IT, LIKE, $900,000, DALE? >> AROUND THAT NUMBER. OCA >> HELP ME. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY PACKET. IS THIS IN NEW FUNDING THAT WE JUST GOT? >> NEW FUNDING FROM THE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION. THEY RECEIVED SOME FUNDING. THEY WANTED TO GET THIS, TO GET SOME OF THE LARGER CORP. THAT IS ARE BEHIND US. THE MONEY TO TRY TO CATCH UP. >> THIS IS A ONE-TIME THING. >> YES. >> SO WE HAVE TO... >> WELL, AND WE DON'T... THIS IS ALL OUTSIDE OUR PURVEY. ONLY WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING IS RIGHT WHERE THIS AGENDA ITEM IS. WE NEED TO HOUSE THEM >> THIS IS A DEAL WHERE... THIS IS BEING RUN THROUGH THE BOARD OF JUDGES. NO. >> WELL, JUDGE MEDARI AS THE PRESIDING JUDGE APPLIED FOR THIS AND OCA GRANTED IT. AND AGAIN, IT COMES FROM ARPA FUNDING THROUGH THE STATE. THEY WILL BE RUNNING THE WHOLE SHOW. >> IT IS A ONE-YEAR GRANT. >> MEANING... >> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE CASES FOR THE NEXT YEAR. TO TRY TO DECREASE THE BACKLOG. AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHAT THIS LEGISLATURE DOES TO CONTINUE THE FUNDING TO OCA. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR IS NOT ENOUGH. >> RIGHT. AND IT INCLUDED IN THIS IS MONEY FOR THIS AUXILIARY COURT TO BE BUILT. WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SPENDING SOME OF THAT... >> THIS COVERS THE LAWYERS, THE STAFF. >> FOR EXAMPLE, THE AUXILIARY COURT COULD BE THE FIFTH FLOOR. YOU COULD SAY THE FIFTH FLOOR COURTROOM IS OUR AUXILIARY COURT. >> OKAY. THEY ARE GOING TO APPOINT A VISITING JUDGE? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THE VISITING JUDGE WILL BE APPOINTED, YES. >> AND THEN THIS COVERS THAT COST AS WELL. >> OKAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, I JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE PACKET WITH ANY KIND OF BACKGROUND ON IT. I HAVE TALKED TO THE JUDGE ABOUT THIS A LONG TIME AGO. I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING ALL THE SPECIFICS. I MEAN, I REMEMBER BACK THEN BUT IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. THERE IS NO FINANCIAL OBLIGATION TO THIS COURT TODAY. THIS IS JUST ABOUT SAYING WE CAN LET THEM USE THE FIFTH FLOOR WHICH... >> THAT IS CORRECT. THERE IS NO CASH MATCH TO THIS GRANT. THAT IS CORRECT >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WELL, WE ARE CREATING THAT AWARENESS THAT YOU ALL LIKE. WE ARE CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE AWARENESS ABOUT THE DISCUSSION OF THE AUXILIARY COURT. IT IS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE HERE TO MOVE CASES. WHAT DOES THAT DO? DECOMPRESS OR DIMINISH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN OUR JAILS. THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING. OF COURSE, WE NEED TO BE READY FOR WHERE THIS AUXILIARY COURT WILL BE PLACED. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AWARENESS BECAUSE IF YOU WILL REMEMBER, IT CAME IN THE EXACT SAME WEEK AS THE TIDC GRANT. SOMETIMES PEOPLE GO, WELL, I ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THAT >> THIS IS DIFFERENT. >> THAT IS WHY I BRING IT UP. >> AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MECHANICS OF IT. WE DID WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT... >> ALSO, SOME DISCUSSION. USING THE 105TH DISTRICT COURT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. [02:40:03] JUDGE PULCHER'S COURTROOM IS NOT ALWAYS USED >> RIGHT. BECAUSE HE IS IN KINGSVILLE >> RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE TRYING TO DECIDE IF THE FIFTH FLOOR WILL BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE COURT. TO USE AS THE AUXILIARY COURT. >> COULD YOU CALL HIM? I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH JUST ... NOBODY IS REALLY USING THAT COURTROOM FOR A JUDGE IN A LONG TIME. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY? THE COURTROOM IS GREAT. IT IS IT IS FACILITY OF THE JUDGE >> THE LAST CASE WAS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. >> WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT HAS A JUDGE'S ROOM. I USED IT. >> IT JUST NEEDS SMALL ADA STUFF. >> IS IT BECAUSE OF COVID IN >> WELL, WE USED IT. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE HAVE USED IT QUITE A BIT. I MYSELF WAS A WITNESS IN A TRIAL A YEAR AGO IN THAT COURTROOM. >> I STILL THINK... YOU KNOW... >> IT CUT GUESS... IT DOES GET USED. >> I STILL THINK WE SHOULD MOVE OUR OFFERS OVER THERE. SO WE HAVE MORE SECURITY. THAT IS ON THE WISH LIST >> IT IS ON THE WISH LIST. >> YEAH, I KNOW. >> HE WILL LOOK INTO THE SPACE >> THE REASON IS, IF THERE IS MONEY THAT IS NEED, WE WANT TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS. OKAY. ONE, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE AUXILIARY COURTROOM. THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE MAY NEED TO USE THE FIFTH FLOOR. ALSO, WE MAY USE THAT 105TH COURTROOM AS WELL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THE FIFTH FLOOR IS NEEDED, WHAT WE WOULD WE NEED TO DO? >> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME ONE? >> THE AUXILIARY COURT. >> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT WE ARE CUTTING UP THE SPACE INTO TWO POST OFFICES? IS THIS A DIFFERENT ONE? >> THE BIG-FLOOR COURTROOM FOR THE AUXILIARY COURT. >> YEAH. YEAH. I'M SORRY YES. THIS IS A SPACE ON THE FIFTH FLOOR. AN OFFICE SPACE. IT IS REALLY A CONFERENCE ROOM. WE ARE... WHAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT WITH THE OTHER STAFF IS THAT WE WOULD BUILD A WALL AND CREATE AN OFFICE SPACE FOR THE JUDGES WILL FOR THE VISITING JUDGE AND ALSO HAVE A SPACE FOR THE COURT MANAGER OR THE BAILIFF. WE ARE ESTIMATING ABOUT 20,000. >> OKAY. AND... OKAY >> RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING INTO MAYBE THE COST. WE NEED TO USE THE FUNDS FROM 3300. >> ACTUALLY, THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY PASSED A NEW LAW. WE HAVE A NEW FEE COMING IN THAT SAYS COURT FACILITY FEES. WE HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT $75,000. WE HAVE FUNDS TO COVER IT ALREADY. >> OKAY. MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT IF NEEDED, RIGHT? THAT THE JUDGES BE... HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE FIFTH PLOOR COURTROOM. AS NEEDED. AND THAT THE WORK BE COMMENCED FOR THE... YOU KNOW, THE VISITING JUDGE TO HAVE THAT SPACE ALONG WITH THE COURT MANAGER OR BAILIFF. AND THAT THE FUNDS BE USED FROM THIS PARTICULAR FEE. >> YES. YES. >> WHICH IS FUND 3300 >> NO. WE HAVE A SPECIAL FUND WE ARE NOW ACCOUNTING FOR THIS FACILITY. >> COURT FACILITIES. >> WHAT NUMBER IS THAT FUND? >> IT IS A NEW DEPARTMENT. I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER. WE JUST STARTED RECEIVING THE FUNDS. >> LET'S CALL IT COURT FACILITIES. >> COURT FACILITY FEE. >> FEE FUND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE WILL GET THE JUDGE ALERTED SHE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO INITIATE THE REQUEST, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE P.O. IN ORDER TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED. >> YES, MA'AM. THE TIMELINE IS TWO TO THREE WEEKS. >> AS SOON AS YOU CAN. >> YES, MA'AM. WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> WE WILL WORK WITH MY STAFF. QUESTION WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT DEPARTMENT NUMBERS. >> THE RIGHT DEPARTMENT NUMBERS. >> MONEY. >> OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ALONG, FOR FEAR OF JINXING IT, WE ARE DOING GREAT ON TIME HERE. [7. Discuss and consider interlocal agreement with Nueces Center for Mental Health and Intellectual Disabilities regarding providing Crisis Intervention Team (CIT) officers and related matters.] DISCUSS AND CONSIDER INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH NUECES COUNTY, THE CENTER FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES. PROVIDING THE CIT OFFICERS IN RELATED MATTERS. YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS ONE IS... >> I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS ONE HERE. I HAVE PEOPLE WORKING ON IT. I JUST GOT THIS THIS MORNING. I NEED TO READ THE AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING IT IS UNDER. I WOULD ASK THEM TO SEND ME A COPY EARLIER. THEY DIDN'T. [02:45:03] WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO OFFICERS THAT WE PROVIDE. THIS IS NOT THE TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. RIGHT? >> JUST TWO. JUST TWO THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY ... >> JUST UNDER MHID. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO READ THE CONTRACT. AND EVERYTHING. >> AND CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, I THINK THERE WAS SOME ... WELL, NOT EMOTION BUT SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COURT THAT SAID WE VOTED ON ALL OF THIS. >> THAT IS CORRECT >> THIS SHOULD COVER 100% >> SALARIES AND BENEFITS. THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS WHAT IS CHANGED RIGHT NOW. WE INCLUDED THAT, EVERYTHING. >> AUTOMOBILE. WHAT ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT? EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH THESE OFFICERS. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> UNIFORMS. >> SO THAT INCLUDES... LET ME SEE. >> I KNOW IT SHOULD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR >> WHILE SHE IS LOOKING FOR THAT FOR CLARITY, JENNY, THIS IS THE ONE WE WERE WAITING ON. YOU HAVE BEEN... YOU HAVE REVIEWED THIS DOCUMENT. >> WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING BETWEEN THE CONSTABLE AND BETWEEN MHID. I DON'T KNOW THAT AN ACTUAL ADDITIONAL VEHICLE IS COVERED. FUEL AND BENEFITS IS COVERED. >> RIGHT >> THE VEHICLE COMES FROM OUR GENERAL POOL OF VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE. WHEN YOU NEED A VEHICLE AND YOU ARE INSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE THAT MECHANISM. IT IS WITH OUR FLEET. >> WELL, BUT STILL, I MEAN... THAT SHOULD BE COVERED. WHETHER IT IS THE COST OF THE AMOUNT... WE PAY FOR THOSE. WE PAY FOR THOSE VEHICLES THROUGH A LEASING PROGRAM. WHEN WE ADD SOMETHING THAT ADDS TO THE COST OF LEASING. IT MAY ONLY BE $500 A MONTH OR SOMETHING. WHATEVER WE LEASE THESE PROGRAMS FOR. I DON'T KNOW. TO ME, IF THEY ARE THESE ARE GOING TO BE MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS, THEY NEED TO BE 100% PAID BY MENTAL HEALTH. AND AGAIN, WHAT WAS REFLECTED BY JOHNNY WHEN HE WAS HERE, THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY IN THOSE FUNDS TO COVER THIS. >> ARE VEHICLES ALLOWED TO BE COVERED UNDER YOUR... >> UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, COMMISSIONERS, THERE IS PAYMENT OF MILEAGE. THE MILEAGE WAS INTENDED TO COVER THE MILEAGE IN THE VEHICLE AND THE COST OF THE VEHICLE. AND THE OFFICERS, COMMISSIONERS, ARE NOT FULL-TIME. I MEAN, WHEN THEY ARE NOT DOING CIT WORK, THEY ARE DOING LAW ENFORCEMENT WORK >> NO. THEY ARE FULL-TIME. THEY BETTER BE FULL-TIME. THAT WAS THE DEAL. >> THEY ARE FULL-TIME? >> THEY ARE FUEL-TIME. THAT IS CORRECT. >> THE CONSTABLE WAS NEGOTIATING... I SAT THROUGH THE MEETING WHERE THEY WORKED OUT THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. I PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO GET TOO OFF, TOO FAR OFF THE ROAD. MAYBE THEY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS. >> THAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE... BECAUSE THAT IS WEAR AND TEAR ON THE VEHICLES. THAT TO ME, THAT IS WHAT I WAS ASKING. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT INSTEAD OF... YOU COULD DO MILEAGE. YEAH I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CONSTABLE, TOO. CLEARLY, WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY IS THAT THIS IS 100% MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS. HE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD YES >> I STAND CORRECTED. >> YES. TO THE EXTENT IF THE OFFICERS ARE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, MHID IS NOT GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME. >> I AM ASSURED, HOWEVER, THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK TO KEEP THEM OCCUPIED COMPLETELY. >> RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THEN I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE... I GUESS GOD FORBID, LIKE, SOME CATASTROPHIC... BUT I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN CATASTROPHIC. YOU ARE SAYING YOU HAVE PLENTY OF WORK FOR THESE OFFICERS. RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> YOU ARE USING THEM 100% FOR MENTAL HEALTH. >> YES, SIR. THE ONLY WAY THEY WOULD BE PULLED OFF IS A SHOOTING, SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC. >> YEAH. >> AND MYSELF AND MARK HAVE WORKED OUT THE DETAILS. I'M SORRY. IF NAINT MAINTENANCE AND FUEL IS COVERED. 62.5 CENTS A MILE >> CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE... >> THE COMPENSATION FOR THE FUEL AND MAINTENANCE, I BELIEVE, IT IS, LIKE, 62.5 CENTS. >> IT IS THROUGH THE STATE. THE INCREASES ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME. THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS ON PAGE TEN OF TEN. I'M SORRY SEVEN OF TEN. THE COMPENSATION. >> THE SALARY OF BOTH OFFICERS? IT COVERS INCIDENTALS. FRINGE BENEFITS. STUFF LIKE THAT I BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS $155,000 AND CHANGE. THERE IS A VEHICLE FOR EACH OFFICER. >> THEY WORK DIFFERENT SHIFTS. WHY CAN'T THEY USE THE SAME CAR? >> WE HAVE TWO VEHICLES ASSIGNED TO THEM ALREADY. >> THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION. IF YOU HAVE TWO OFFICERS. ONE WORKS IN THE DAYTIME. ONE WORKS IN THE EVENING. WHY CAN'T THEY USE THE SAME VEHICLE? >> WELL, THEY COULD. %-ÚE TO EACH OFFICER. [02:50:01] >> IN OTHER WORDS, THEY TAKE THEM HOME AND BACK. THEY COME IN AND... >> THAT IS CORRECT. THEY ARE TAKE-HOME VEHICLES. >> RIGHT. THEY TAKE THEM HOME, TAKE THEM BACK. I MEAN, AS LONG AS... AGAIN, IT IS COVERED UNDER THE AGREEMENT. >> AS LONG AS I HEAR THAT EVERYTHING IS COVERED. SO... >> RIGHT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO... AGAIN, THE WHOLE CONCERN HERE IS WE DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULED MEETING. ALTHOUGH I HOPE THAT CHANGES. BEFORE OCTOBER 12. WE HAVE A NEW FISCAL YEAR COMING UP. I WOULD LIKE TO PASS THIS SUBJECT TWO. IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, WITH THE DETAILS IN THE CONTRACT, YOU CAN ADDRESS THOSE IMMEDIATELY WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> YEAH. >> I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. SUBJECT TWO. THAT WAY WE GET CONFIRMED >> I JUST GOT IT, TOO. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO READ IT LAST NIGHT. I'M SORRY. I TRIED. I THINK WE JUST... ANYWAY. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. I'M SORRY IT IS CALLED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. BETWEEN TWO AGENCIES. BETWEEN MENTAL HEALTH AND INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES AND THE CIT OFFICERS. I WOULD LIKE A SECOND >> JUDGE... >> I'M SORRY SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW OF THE CONTRACT. IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES, WE WOULD STIPULATE THAT WE WOULD BRING THOSE BACK AND ADDRESS THEM AT THE TIME. >> JUDGE, COULD WE DO IT THIS WAY INSTEAD? GAVE TIME FRAME TO WHERE THAT WAY, IT DOESN'T DELAY THE SIGNING TOO MUCH MORE THAN WE HAVEMENT TO >> A WEEK? >> I DON'T KNOW. WHATEVER TIME FRAME IS... >> 7 DAYS IS BEYOND ADEQUATE. >> WHAT IS TODAY? >> I'LL SAY NEXT WEEK. NEXT WEDNESDAY. >> I WAS GOING TO PUT A DATE >> IN OTHER WORDS, CONSTABLE, I WILL NOT... I'LL SIGN AND THEY WILL HOLD. OKAY? SO THAT IT IS SITTING HERE. IT WILL NOT GET PROCESSED UNTIL A WEEK'S TIME. THAT WILL GIVE COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ A CHANCE TO READ THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT AND ASK JENNY DORSEY, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS HE MIGHT HAVE. >> SAY, BY 5:00 P.M. ON WEDNESDAY, A WEEK FROM NOW. >> THAT IS FAIR. >> THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION >> THAT IS PART OF THE MOTION, LORENZO. YOU WILL SECOND IT? >> YES. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AGAIN, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL WORKING ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN WHERE WE WERE AT THIS TIME LAST WEEK. THANK YOU, CONSTABLE. I KNOW THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK TO GET THIS READY IN A WEEK. WHOEVER ELSE WORKED ON IT. I'M NOT TRYING TO LEAVE ANYONE OUT. JUDGE, MAGGIE EVERYBODY. I'M JUST SAYING THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHAT DID IT. THIS WAS A HUGE DIFFERENCE FROM LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK. WE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS DURING THE WEEK TO TALK ABOUT IT AS WELL. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ MADE THE PHONE CALLS. EVERYBODY REALLY GOT INVOLVED IN THIS AND GOT IT DONE IN A WEEK. AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHY WE DIDN'T GET THE CONTRACT UNTIL LATE. I WILL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND HAVE TIME TO READ THAT AS WELL >> YOUR HONOR, MY STAFF WILL BE THE ONE THAN THAT WILL BE BIG THE MIHD. >> THERE IS A BEGINNING AND END OF SHIFT LOG. >> YOU WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT TO MY STAFF [8. Discuss and consider adoption of Order approving the County Clerk Records Management, Archiving, Preservation, and Restoration Plan for the FY 2022-2023 budget.] >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU, CONSTABLE. NEXT, REMEMBER, WE HAD OUR PUBLIC HEARING FIRST. NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM THAT DEALS WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDER APPROVING THE COUNTY CLERK RECORDS MANAGEMENT ARKIEFL PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION PLAN FOR 2022-2023. I'LL REFER TO YOU. ANYTHING HERE THAT... >> JUDGE, SO MOVED. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> I SECOND >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. [9. Discuss and consider the adoption of the County Clerk Records Archive Fee of $10.00 for the 2022-2023 budget year on applicable documents under Texas Local Government Code Sec. 118.025.] >> AYE. >> THE NEXT ONE IS RELATED. THIS PUTS THE FEE IN PLACE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. AGAIN, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> I WILL NEED TO REFLECT FOR THE RECORD THAT IT IS TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 118-205 THAT ALLOWS SUCH A FEE. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> WOW. VERY GOOD. VERY QUICK HERE. I KNOW A BATHROOM BREAK IS IMMINENT. I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET A FEW MORE DONE. OKAY? I WAS THINKING PAGE SIX. IF THAT MIGHT LEAD YOU GUYS TO BEING SO INCLINED TO RECESS [10. Discuss and consider funding of Nature Explorium at the Nueces County Keach Family library with 2021 Certificate of Obligation funds.] THERE. I A... ITEM NUMBER TEN. >> JUDGE, MOTION TO PASS. >> THANK YOU. LOOK, LEAVE QUICK. MOTION TO PASS AND A SECOND BY GONZALEZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BUY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD, IT IS IMPORTANT ... IT IS COMING FROM C.O.2015. FROM MY C.O.'S. THIS GIVES ME A CHANCE, GENTLEMEN, TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THAT BECAUSE OF IRS, RULES AND REGULATIONS, LET'S MAKE SURE WE REALLY TACKLE THE OLD STUFF. [11. Discuss and consider funding of Nueces County Development Commission staff.] OKAY? >> YES, MA'AM >> ITEM NUMBER 11. DISCUS AND CONSIDER THE FUNDING OF THE DEVELOPMENTAL... I'M SORRY THE NUECES COUNTY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION STAFF. WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE THERE. IT IS A SENIOR CLERK. [02:55:05] I'M NOT SURE... IS IT A TWO? >> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION, YOUR HONOR? >> THE SENIOR CLERK AT THE MCDC? A CLERK POSITION? >> YES. >> ONE POSITION. >> ONE POSITION. >> YOU WILL RECALL IT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET TO PUT ANY COUNTY DOLLARS IN. I BELIEVE THEY WILL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY WITHOUT OUR DOLLARS, BUT SHE IS STILL A COUNTY EMPLOYEE SO MY HOPE HERE IS A MOTION TO DIRECT... YOU KNOW, TO HAVE HER STAY AS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, JUST A RECOGNITION THAT SHE WOULDN'T BE PAID FROM THE GENERAL FUND. IT HAS TO COME FROM THE FUNDS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE. RIGHT? AND THERE IS STILL DOLLARS FOR HER AVAILABLE THROUGH DECEMBER? >> YES. >> OKAY. ONE PERSON ONLY. SHE IS A CLERK. >> THERE IS DOLLARS AVAILABLE THROUGH DECEMBER. >> YES. THROUGH DECEMBER. I NEED TO MAKE SURE. IT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET. WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS CLARITY. YOU KNOW, SHE HAS GOT A COUNTY... >> I KNOW. YOU ARE JUST SAYING TO... >> MAKE SURE THOSE FUNDS PAY HER THROUGH DECEMBER. >> WHICH... OKAY. WHY WOULDN'T THEY? I DON'T... I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE NEED... MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE NEED THIS >> BECAUSE THERE IS NO PART OF THE BUDGET, THE TRANSFER. >> IS THIS ADDITIONAL MONEY? >> YES. WE ALREADY HAVE SOME FUNDS RIGHT THERE WE ARE GOING TO PAY THROUGH DECEMBER. WITH THOSE FUNDS >> THESE ARE NOT BUDGETED FUNDS FOR NEXT YEAR. THESE ARE JUST EXTRA FUNDS YOU ARE USING? >> CORRECT. >> WE HAVE THE BUDGET AND THE FUND 13 TO COVER THIS FOR ONE YEAR UP TO THE $125,000. IF THEY DON'T RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, THAT IS WHERE IT WILL FALL SHORT >> ALL RIGHT. CARRY IT THROUGH DECEMBER. THIS IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE >> SO WE ARE NOT ADDING FUNDS. >> THIS IS AWARENESS. MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT... IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CLEANUP. WE ARE NOT IN THE SUBJECT... IT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET. >> TO MAKE SURE THE PERSON CAN CONTINUE >> I DON'T HAVE ANY BACKUP IN MY AGENDA. I HAVE NOTHING, AGAIN, IN MY AGENDA. I HAVE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> WE CAN GATHER ALL THE INFO. ALL THE INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, TO SHOW THE DATA. YOU KNOW, THE FUNDS. THE FUNDS AVAILABLE. AND HOW MUCH IT WILL BE THROUGH DECEMBER. >> DALE, WHERE DO THESE FUNDS... TELL ME AGAIN. I'M SORRY WHERE ARE THESE FUNDS COMING FROM? >> THE FUNDS WE RECEIVE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THE MONEY WE RECEIVE FROM THE $125,000. IF THEY DO ANY FUND-RAISING DURING THAT TIME. THEY ARE A 013-C. >> THEY ARE IN THE FUND ALREADY. THIS IS JUST AWARENESS THAT YOU ARE NOT PAYING WITH ANY GENERAL FUNDS AT ALL. >> NO. >> JUST THE FUNDS THAT ARE TRANSFERRED IN THE ACCOUNT. >> SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO DO... >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. BUT AGAIN... >> JUST AWARENESS. >> WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE HERE >> OKAY. IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT IS FINE. OKAY. >> MOBILE TO TABLE, I GUESS. ... MOTION TO TABLE, I GUESS >> I DON'T THINK YOU DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE... THERE IS NO ACTION ITEM. THAT IS A BETTER THING TO SAY. THERE IS NO ACTION, DALE. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT DALE KNOWS SOMEWHAT. SHE STILL GETS PAID BECAUSE THERE IS FUNDS THERE. >> ALL RIGHT. >> DO YOU MIND? IT IS 11:40. I KNOW THE STAFF HAS HAD NO BREAKS. HOW ABOUT A MOTION TO RECESS FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, A BATHROOM BREAK. PLEASE COME RIGHT BACK. IT IS NOT A LUNCH BREAK. JUST A QUICK FACILITIES BREAK. I HAVE A MOTION. YOU WILL SECOND. YES. YOU WILL SECOND? >> TEN MINUTES. >> TEN MINUTES. >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> IT IS 11:56 A.M. STILL. [12. Discuss and consider approval of the Sheriff and Constable Fees for 2023, pursuant to Section 118.131 of the Texas Local Government Code.] OUR NEXT ITEM WILL BE THE SHERIFF AND CONSTABLE FEES FOR 2023. WE ALSO HAVE TO SET THESE FEES EVERY YEAR. AND BASICALLY, YOU WILL RECALL FROM LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, WE TABLED THE ITEM TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, F WE ARE ALLOWED TO SET THE FEES SO WE CAN RECOVER OUR COSTS. NO MORE THAN THAT, BUT TO BE ABLE TO RECOVER COSTS. AND SO IN THAT VAIN, F THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDATION GIVEN TO US AT THE TIME LAST WEEK THAT ANY FEES WERE BEING RECOMMENDED TO BE CHANGE, BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THERE HAD BEEN A STUDY DONE PREVIOUSLY, AND WE HAD MADE SOME CHANGES SO THIS WEEK WAS IT IS [03:00:03] OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MOVE THESE FEES INTO WHAT WE KNOW AS THE RIGHT DOLLAR AMOUNT TO COVER OUR COST. SO THAT IS WHAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT. I'M LOOKING FOR SOME EXPERTS HERE TO KIND OF GUIDE US. DALE? >> I WENT THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT EVALUATIONS. AT NO TIME WERE WE ABLE TO DO 100% COST. WE WERE TRYING TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON ACTUAL VALUE. WE DID A COMPARISON BETWEEN OUR FEES AND THOSE OF CAMERON COUNTY. GALVESTON COUNTY. COUNTIES SIMILAR TO OUR SIZE. SOMETIMES SMALLER, SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. MOST OF OUR FEES ARE HIGHER AND SOME ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN MOST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTIES. WITH THIS EVALUATION, WE BELIEVE THE FEE THAT IS WE HAVE SET FOR NUECES COUNTY ARE VALID. WE DON'T BELIEVE AN INCREASE IS NECESSARY >> YOU LOOKED AT EVERYBODY, AND YOU THINK WE ARE ON PAR. >> YES. >> DO YOU THINK WE ARE COVERING THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS? >> WE ARE NEVER GOING TO COST... COVER THE COST >> WE ARE NEVER GOING TO DO THAT >> I THINK THAT IS OUR... >> I MEAN, HOW DO YOU FIGURE WE SHOULDN'T BE RAISING ANYTHING, THEN? WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOSE MONEY ON THESE THINGS? >> WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT... WE DIDN'T GET A FULL NUMBER OF THE ACTUAL... WE HAVE THE TOTAL COST OF THE CONSTABLES' TIME. HOW MUCH TIME IS ACTUALLY SERVING THE PAPERS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE COUNCIL'S OFFICE. WE ARE NEVER ABLE TO GET A FULL EVALUATION OF THEIR TIME SERVING THESE PAPERS. WITHOUT THAT PARTICULAR VARIABLE, WE DIDN'T FEEL WE HAD THE VARIABLE... WE DETERMINED WHAT OUR FEES ARE COMPARED TO OTHER COUNTIES OUR SIZE. >> WHICH COUNTIES WERE THOSE? >> CAMERON COUNTY, GAL KRESTON COUNTY, WILLIAMSON COUNTY >> ANY OF THOSE DONE EVALUATIONS OF HOW MUCH THE COST ANALYSIS IS? >> WE REACHED OUT. THEY DIDN'T TELL US THE LAST TIME THEY DID A REVIEW. SIMILAR TO NUECES COUNTY THE SHERIFF'S AND THE COUNCIL HAVE TO EVALUATE THESE EVERYYEAR >> I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS AT A LOSS ANDD NOT DEAL WITH IT. IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COURT... >> WELL, I HAVE AN IDEA. IF WE KNOW... IF YOU CAN CERTIFY TO THE COURT THAT WE ARE NOT COVERING OUR COST, WHAT IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, GO UP BY 10% ACROSS THE BOARD. >> I THINK THAT IS PRETTY CONSERVATIVE. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I STILL THINK IT IS GOING TO BE WAY LESS >> AND THEN WE REALLY NEED TO DO A REVIEW. SO WE CAN REALLY SEE... I MEAN, I HEAR YOU. IT MAY BE THAT TREND WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES. BUT... >> THAT IS A MOTION, JUDGE, I WILL SECOND. >> OKAY. A MOTION AND A SECOND. AS LONG AS YOU CAN TELL US, DALE, THAT THAT... THAT THERE IS NOT... THAT WE ARE NOT COVERING COST CURRENTLY >> WELL, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE. WE WOULD HAVE TO TRACK EVERY TIME A CONSTABLE OR SHERIFF'S OFFICER ACTUALLY SERVED PAPERS. FROM WHEN THEY RECEIVE IT TO WHEN THEY DISTRIBUTED IT. >> IT IS HARD. I UNDERSTAND. >> IT IS VERY DIFFICULT >> AS LONG AS WE ARE MAKING A JUDICIOUS DECISION HERE. >> YES. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN I MAKE THAT MOTION. >> SECOND. >> THERE IS A SECOND >> MORE LIKE $5 TO $10 A... >> IT WOULD BE THE HIGHEST FEE WE CHARGE. >> THE 225 FEE WOULD GO UP $2.25. >> NO. $22.50. >> 10%. YES. >> YOU HAVE SOME THINGS TO ADD >> JUST CLARIFY THE MOTION. ARE WE GOING TO... >> TO INCREASE BY 10% ACROSS THE BOARD. >> THE FEES. >> TO COVER THE COST OF LIFE AND DOING BUSINESS HERE IN NUECES COUNTY >> TO COVER SOME OF THE COST. >> NOWHERE NEAR ALL OF THE COST >> BECAUSE WE ARE NOT COVERING THE COST THE TRUE COST. >> WE ARE COVERING SOMETHING. >> SO THE MOST, THE MOST WE ARE GOING UP WOULD BE $22.50. AND I MEAN, THIS IS AN ASK, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US LATER TRACK SO THAT WE KNOW... YOU KNOW, BY MIDYEAR WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN REVENUE-WISE. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS DOES HELP OFF-SET SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT COME MIDYEAR THAT WE DON'T KNOW. THERE IS ALWAYS COST. THEY COME MIDYEAR. INSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT. I WANT US TO HAVE A REAL SAVINGS , A REAL REINVESTMENT IN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH THESE FEES. LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES. [03:05:03] OKAY. WELL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CHIEF COOK? YOU ARE AGNOSTIC ABOUT IT? IT IS OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. [13. Discuss and consider Second Amendment to agreement with Forensic Pathology Staffing for autopsy report continuation and completion for the Medical Examiner’s office.] ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, WE ARE GOING MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 13. THIS IS A SECOND AMENDMENT WITH FORENSIC PATHOLOGY STAFFING FOR CONTINUATION OF REPORTS FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. I'LL YIELD TO JENNY. EVERYTHING I KNOW IS IN ORDER LEGALLY. THIS IS TO EXTEND THE TIME FRAME IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT, JUDGE. >> IN OTHER WORDS, I'M COMING TO THE MIC. IN OTHER WORDS, IT GIVES THEM MORE TIME TO COMPLETE THEIR WORK >> YEAH. PROVIDING MORE ASSISTANCE TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. >> AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY. >> THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS WORKING ON THE OTHER CASES BEFORE? >> THE COMPANY THAT WE HAVE FOR ... FOR THE CASES. THAT IS CORRECT >> WAS THERE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION? I DON'T HAVE THIS EITHER IN MY AGENDA >> THE CONTRACT? >> I THINK IT IS IN THERE. I'VE GOT IT. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >> NUMBER A-13. >> YES. THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, IT TAKES US TO THE, IT TAKES US BEHIND PAGE 13. TAB 13. >> YEAH. THAT IS WHAT I'M ON. WELL, I DON'T... F CAN WE JUST HOLD UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING? I'LL COME BACK IT TO. IT IS NOT LONG. I WOULD LIKE TO READ IT REAL QUICK. IF THAT IS OKAY >> SURE. CAN YOU REPRESENT... I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT ARE SUBSTANTIVE TO THIS AGREEMENT. THERE IS NO CHANGE FROM THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE SECOND IN >> NO. THIS TAKES US THROUGH SEPTEMBER, '23. >> YEAH. >> I MEAN, THE CLAUSES. >> NO. RIGHT. >> IT IS A TIME, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. ALL THE OTHER ONES I CAN REPRESENT TO YOU ARE THE SAME. IT IS A TIME FRAME >> I'LL HAVE IT DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING. >> YOU GOT IT. >> AND THEN THAT WAY, THEY CAN EXPLAIN MORE. >> YEAH. THAT IS FINE. I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW IT IS REALLY JUST A MATTER OF WE ARE EXTENNING THEIR CONTRACT WITH TIME. OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO HOLD ON THAT ONE >> EXCUSE ME, JUDGE? >> YES. >> I HAVE A REQUEST. CAN WE DO 14 AND 22 AT IS TAME SAME TIME? PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHER LETTERS. >> I HEARD IT. THAT IS FINE. AS LONG AS THAT IS FINE. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. I JUST GOT TO DOUBLE-CHECK SOMETHING REAL QUICK. IS ITEM 22 ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO GO TO EXECUTIVE? ARE WE ALL GOOD HERE? >> I THINK WE ARE ALL GOOD. >> THAT IS ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. I APPRECIATE THAT. THE ANSWER IS YES, WE CAN. FOR THE INTEREST OF THEIR TIME. WE WILL HANDLE 14 AND 22 BACK-TO-BACK. OUT OF ORDER. OBVIOUSLY. FOR 22. [14. Discuss and consider acceptance of Warranty Deed from Epic Crude Terminal Company, L.P. for Robstown Pecos Lane Extension (1.83 acre road boundary and 1.03 acre boundary out of Gregorio Farias grant survey abstract); Discuss and consider charging Public Works Engineer to complete CR 48 connection to Pecos Lane extension or alternatively discuss and consider pursuing appropriate method of procurement for third party contractor to complete CR 48 connection to Pecos Lane extension.] >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF A WARRANTY DEED FROM EPIC CRUDE TERMINAL COMPANY. IT IS FOR THE... WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE PECOS LANE EXTENSION. AND THIS IS A $1.8... 1.38-ACRE ROAD. I SEE. IT IS 1.83-ACRE ROAD BOUNDARY AND A 1.83-ACRE BOUNDARY. A PARTICULAR SURVEY ABSTRACT. THAT IS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF IT. AND SO THE ISSUE IS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER COMPLETING THE CONNECTION TO PECOS LANE FROM COUNTY ROAD 48. OR IF THEY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE, THIS WOULD GIVE THE COURT THE OPPORTUNITY TO FUND THIRD-PARTY CONTRACTOR TO COMPLETE COUNTY ROAD 48 TO THE P PECOS LANE EXTENSION THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO GET THAT EMERGENCY ROAD OPEN. THAT WAS PART AND PARCEL OF THIS COURT MAKING A DETERMINATION THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY ROUTE, GIVEN THE INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR THAT FLANKS A NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS GIVES THAT CERTAINTY THAT THERE IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD OUT. FOR THE PART OF EPIC, THEY ARE DONE. WE NEED TO FINISH THIS COUNTY ROAD 48. ONE, JUAN IS HERE. [03:10:04] DO YOU NEED ASSISTANCE TO FINISH COUNTY ROAD 48? WOULD YOU LIKE FUNDING FOR THAT? >> YES, MA'AM. IN REGARDS TO THE FIRST ITEM, JUDGE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE ESPECIALLIENS IS TAS ACCEPTANCE OF THE WARRANTY DEED. IS THATOY DAY? >> OKAY. SURE. LET'S DO THAT RIGHT NOW. I'LL MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WARRANTY DEED AS RECOMMENDED. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING... I'M SORRY ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. AND NOW THE COMPLETION SO WE CAN ACTUALLY OPEN THE ROAD, DO YOU NEED SOME ASSISTANCE THERE? >> YES, MA'AM. ON THAT ONE, JUDGE, WE HAVE BEEN ... WE HAVE THREE MILES OF ROAD RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE OPEN. >> RIGHT. >> AND WE NEED... WE ARE TRYING TO FINISH UP THOSE ROADS. WE ARE HAVING CONSTITUENTS CALL US AND FARMERS CALL US FOR US... ABOUT WHEN IT IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED. THE RAIN EVENT HAS PUSHED US BACK ON OUR SCHEDULE. AND IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE COURT WANTS TO GET THIS ROAD COMPLETED. OUR TIMELINE RIGHT NOW IS MAYBE TWO, THREE MONTHS OUT. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO JERRY TO TRY TO SEE WHEN WE CAN REALLY GET TO IT. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A FEW ROADS OUT THERE THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED. AND ALSO... WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE DRAINAGE. ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THESE RAIN EVENTS, WE ARE OUT THERE CLEANING DITCHES AND TRYING TO CLEAN SOME OF THESE OUT SO THE WATER CAN DRAIN ALSO. >> DO YOU... I KNOW IT IS HARD TO ESTIMATE. COULD YOU PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE AS TO... SO WE COULD ADDRESS FUNDING? >> JUDGE, I WOULD, IF I CAN, I WOULD NEED TO PUT A PENCIL TO IT, JUDGE. >> I GUESS COULD YOU GUIDE ME, IF IT IS GOING TO BE OVER $50,000 OR UNDER $#,000 >> ABOUT $50,000-$100,000. >> IT WOULD NEED A PROCUREMENT, THEN? >> YES, MA'AM. IT WOULD NEED A PROCUREMENT PROBABLY. WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT EPIC HAS DONE ON THE DITCHES THAT THEY HAVE DONE ON THEIR ROAD, WE HAD A PLAN TO EXCAVATE THE DITCHES, AND I HAD SOME PHOTOS. >> YOU CAN GIVE IT TO LEAH. >> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. >> THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU ARE SAYING IT IS THE ROAD PLUS? >> YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. THE ROAD PLUS. >> YOU WANT TO DO THE ROAD PLUS. >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND SO LET ME LOOK HOW I WORDED... HOW IT IS WORDED. OKAY. WE WERE VERY CAREFUL. WE WILL BE ABLE TO... FIRST LET ME GET ONE THING ACCOMPLISHED. WHICH IS A VOTE ON THE AUTHORIZATION OF A METHOD OF PROCUREMENT TO GET THIS DONE. AND SO THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE IN JUST A SECOND. BECAUSE LET'S... WHAT JUAN IS GOING TO SAY IS THAT... HE IS GOING TO SHOW US SOME PICTURES AS TO WHY WE SHOULD DO THE CONNECTION PLUS. THE PLUS IS THE DRAINAGE ASPECT OF IT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PROCUREMENT OF... >> IS THIS STILL ON 14, JUDGE? >> YES, IT IS. THE COMPLETION OF COUNTY ROAD 48. WE WILL GET TO THE SCOPE IN JUST A SECOND. THIS WAY, MICHAEL IS PUT ON NOTICE THAT HE WILL HAVE TO GET AN RFP OUT TO GET THIS CONSTRUCTION DONE >> ARE YOU SAYING, JUDGE... JUDGE, EXCUSE ME. ARE YOU SAYING YOU ARE GETTING A PROCUREMENT FOR A CONTRACTOR? >> WELL, YES. JUAN SAID HE COULDN'T DO IT. HE NEEDED SOME HELP >> HE >> NO. HE SAID IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME. HE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THEY COULD GET TO IT. THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH OF AN EMERGENCY. IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF REMOVING THE FENCE THAT IS BLOCKING THE EMERGENCY ROAD. IT IS NOT THAT MUCH OF AN EMERGENCY TO WHERE WE HAVE TO CONTRACT... NEED A CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT JOB. PUBLIC WORKS CAN TAKE CARE OF IT. >> YES, SIR. I HAVE AN EXHIBIT TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT THIS IS. >> LET'S NOT DISAGREE ON THE WORK. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT ANYBODY IS DISAGREEING ON THE WORK THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING. I'M DISAGREEING THAT THERE IS NOT AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. IT HAS BEEN AN EMERGENCY... WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. A GATE... RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO ACCESS, AND PEOPLE WOULD BE TRAPPED. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. WE CAN MAYBE ADDRESS THAT THROUGH A DIFFERENT MEANS. I'M SURE YOU CAN MAYBE COME UP [03:15:03] WITH AN ALTERNATIVE. WE SHOULDN'T WAIT FOR THREE MONTHS. >> BUT THAT ROAD CAN BE USED AS AN EXIT IF YOU HAVE TO. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN REMOVE THE SCREEN THAT IS THERE. THEY CAN USE IT. IT WON'T BE... THE CONNECTION HASN'T BEEN DONE YET. IT CAN BE USED. >> WELL, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. BUT IT IS NOT ABOUT WAITING FOR A FIRE TRUCK TO ESCAPE. IF THERE IS AN EXPLOSION IMMEDIATELY, NOBODY IS WAITING FOR ANYTHING. YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE HECK OUT OF THERE. >> WELL, THEY GET THE HECK OUT OF THERE, JUDGE. I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO. THEY WILL. IF IT IS AN EMERGENCY >> AGAIN, WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT. WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE ON WHAT SAFETY MEANS IN OUR COUNTY, COMMISSIONER. I THINK IT MEANS GETTING IT DONE. THIS HAS BEEN WAITING... THIS IS THE FIRST I HAVE HEARD OF WE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON, YOU KNOW, OTHER COUNTY ROADS TO FINISH. THIS ONE IS A PRIORITY FOR THE COUNTY. BECAUSE IT BASICALLY IS AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION. THERE ARE 17 TANKS. THERE ARE TWO FRACTIONATORS. THERE ARE HIGH-PRESSURED GAS LINES. THIS IS SHOCKING THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS BEYOND WE WILL WAIT FOR THE FIREMEN TO REMOVE A CHAIN-LINK FENCE >> WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR WAS, CAN YOU ALL DO THIS OR YOU NEED A CONTRACTOR IN >> WE ARE TWO TO THREE MONTHS OUT. YES, SIR. WE HAVE SOME ROADS AND THE DRAINAGE STUFF. WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH BELINDA AND TELLING HER THAT WE HAVE BEEN BUSY. >> NO. THAT IS OKAY ARE YOU ASKING FOR A CONTRACTOR ON THIS? ARE YOU ASKING FOR... >> HELP >> IF WE CAN WAIT, COMMISSIONER, UNTIL TWO TO THREE MONTHS, WE WILL GET TO THIS ROAD. ANOTHER REASON IS I WANT TO SHOW IN THE AREA... I DID A LITTLE QUICK PRESENTATION, COMMISSIONER, TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE ARE PLANNING. WITH COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. WE HAVE BEEN MEETING OUT THERE AND DRIVING. LOOKING AT THESE IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK YOU JUST HAD... WHAT YOU SEE IN THE RED ON THAT ... THAT IS FINE. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RED IS THE IMPROVED ROAD. THE SUBDIVISION IS SUBURBAN ACREAGE. ON THE BOTTOM PART OF THE RED LINE. AND THE BLUE LINES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THERE, THOSE WOULD BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DRAINAGE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. SOME OF THESEST ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET RESET. WE WILL PLAN ON SETTING OUR SERVERS OUT THERE. WE CAN TIE INTO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT EPIC HAS DONE. WHICH IN THIS CASE, IS GOING TO HELP A LOT, ALLEVIATE THESE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN THE SUBDIVISION. AND ALSO HELP OUT WITH THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO GO OUT THERE, GO DO A SURVEY. PUT SOME PEN ON PAPER. WE CAN RESET SOME OF THOSE OUT THERE THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE THINKING THAT PROBABLY BY, YOU KNOW, DECEMBER, JANUARY TIME ARE FRAME, WE WILL BE DOING SOME CONSTRUCTION ON THIS ROAD. WE CAN PUT UP... RIGHT NOW THERE IS A FENCE OUT THERE THAT SAYS "DO NOT ENTER." WHICH IS GREAT. WE CAN ALSO PUT SOME BARRICADES OUT THERE. WITH SOME SAND BAGS. IF AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE COURT. THE ONLY THING ABOUT SIT THAT THAT ROAD... YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT LIGHT. I'M SORRY TO GIVE YOU A DEPICTION. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE NEW ROAD. LOOKING NORTH. THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE IS AGENT EIGHT INCHES IN ELEVATION DIFFERENCE. WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND TAPER THE ROAD. PROBABLY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE INTERSECTION. TO GIVE US IT A NICE SMOOTH TRANSITION. NEXT, PLEASE. >> HOW MANY FEET? N'T ISN'T IT 50 FEET, THOUGH? >> NO, MA'AM. IN ORDER TO MAKE IT... >> FORGET THE SMOOTH. WHAT WAS THE CONNECTION? WHAT WAS THE REQUEST? WASN'T THE REQUEST... DO YOU ALL HEAR SOMETHING? HOLD ON. LET US GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. OKAY. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE CONNECTION. JUST TELL ME WHAT THE CONNECTION IS. WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED YOU TO DO? I KNOW THE DRAINAGE IS GOING TO BE WONDERFUL. THAT IS AN ENHANCEMENT. WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL GET THE ROAD OPEN? WHAT ABOUT THAT CONNECTION? >> I WAS GOING TO THAT. GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE, PLEASE. THAT IS LOOKING SOUTH. FROM THE OTHER ROAD. THIS IS THE CONNECTION POINT. IT IS ABOUT EIGHT INCHES IN DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION. [03:20:01] IN ORDER FOR A CAR TO GIVE A SMOOTH TRANSITION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT ANYWHERE FROM 150 FEET TO 200 FEET IN ORDER TO GIVE THAT SMOOTH TRANSITION, IN ORDER TO MEET ENGINEERING STANDARDS. AT THE SAME TIME, WE PLAN ON... >> WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL... >> ALL THOSE ON-LINE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE MUTE. GO AHEAD AND FORCE THE MUTE. GO AHEAD. >> IN ORDER FOR US, IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION, WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO UP 150 FEET TO 200 FEET. THAT WAY WHEN SOMEBODY IS DRIVING AT 30 MILES AN HOUR, THEY WON'T HIT A HUMP ON THAT ROAD. AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE GOING TO DO THOSE DITCH-CLEANING AND GET THE WATER OUT TO DRAIN TO THE NORTH. >> RIGHT. BUT DO YOU NOT HAVE TIME TO DO JUST THE ROAD RIGHT NOW AND THEN WAIT ON THE DRAINAGE LATER? >> JUDGE, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, ALL OUR STAFF RIGHT NOW, ALL OUR EQUIPMENT IS SPREAD OUT BETWEEN HERE AND BISHOP. I SAY BISHOP BUT THE ROAD 16 AREA, 12. AND THEN 45, WE HAVE IT ON 45. AND WE HAVE OUR... IN ORDER FOR US TO DEMOBILIZE FROM A PROJECT, IT IS GOING TO COST THE COUNTY MONEY. THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP ALL THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT THERE TO FINISH IT UP. THEN WE CAN MOVE OUR HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO THE JOB SITE TO GET IT DONE. AND TURN IT AROUND... OUR GOAL IS TO TURN THIS PROJECT AROUND PRETTY QUICK >> WHEN I ASKED YOU WHEN YOU CAME IN, I SAID, HEY, DO YOU NEED SOME HELP? YOU SAID YES. NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME NOT >> WELL, JUDGE, YOU ASKED IF I NEEDED SOME HELP >> HE NEEDS TIME, JUDGE. >> EXCUSE ME. I'M ASKING HIM. BECAUSE IS THREE MONTHS GOING TO TURN INTO... YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE HERE WAS THAT WE PROMISED TWO YEARS AGO TO GET THIS DONE. AND WE HAVE BEEN HOLDING OUR BREATH TO MAKE SURE NOTHING BAD HAPPENED OUT THERE. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE ON US. THAT WE DID NOT FINISH. IS THIS... CAN PEOPLE HAVE EGRES SAFELY IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY? WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE EASILY TO GET THAT DONE? >> RIGHT NOW, NO, THERE IS A HUMP THERE. ANYBODY THAT IS GOING TO DRIVE THAT, IT IS GOING TO PRETTY MUCH HIT A HITCH... HUMP AND GO OVER THE ROAD. NO, AT THIS TIME WE CAN'T. LIKE I SAID, I... WE COULD PUT SOME BARRICADES UP THERE. IN CASE THERE IS SOME TYPE OF... HOPEFULLY, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT, THEY CAN MOVE THE BARRICADES OUT THE ONLY THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT SOMEBODY WILL GO OUT OVER THERE AND MOVE THE BARRICADES OUT. THEY ARE NOT PERSONALLY... PERMANENTLY TIED DOWN. YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOMEONE REMOVE THEM. LIKE WHAT WE ARE DOING ON ANOTHER PROJECT. WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO TO THREE MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN GET TO THIS PROJECT >> JUAN, DO YOU RECOMMEND LEAVING THIS FENCE UP THE WAY IT IS? IT IS NOT THAT BAD. IT COULD BE MOVED EASILY. NO? >> KIT BE REMOVED EASILY. SOMEBODY CAN GO IN THERE AND JUST CUT IT OFF... >> I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE WIRE-CUTTERS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EMERGENCY >> NO, JUDGE. NO. >> IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EMERGENCY , HOW CAN THEY DO IT, JUAN? >> YEAH, I MEAN, THE FENCE. OPTION NUMBER TWO IS TO PUT BARRICADES UP. AT THE SAME TIME, PUTTING UP THOSE BARRICADES, WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE MOVE BARRICADES OUT OF THE WAY >> I LIKE THE BARRICADES. I'M GOING TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY HERE. >> AND THE OTHER THING, JUDGE, IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING IN THIS AREA AND THEY MOVE THOSE BARRICADES, IF SOMEBODY IS FLYING THROUGH HERE, THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO LOSE A TIRE. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE A MOTOR. OR FLIP OVER. SO YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE CHANCE ... SOMEBODY HAS TO BE THERE TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC. IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS >> HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE HAVE... AGAIN, I MEAN, THIS WASN'T LIKE YESTERDAY THAT WE GOT THIS REQUEST. WE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON THIS... THAT IS WHY IT HAS COME UP. >> ABOUT A MONTH AGO, JUDGE. >> OVER A MONTH AGO. >> LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE HAD HEAVY RAIN EVENTS. IT IS HOLDING US UP ON THESE OTHER PROJECTS. >> WELL... >> EXCUSE ME, JUDGE. AS COMMISSIONER OF PRECINCT ONE, I WOULD LIKE THE WAY ONE IS WORKING. I APPROVE EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE. I APPROVE EVERYTHING HE SAYS. IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, I WILL TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS MY PRECINCT >> JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOT IN CHARGE, THANK GOD. I THANK GOD EVERY DAY YOU ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF HEALTH AND SAFETY IN THIS COUNTY >> I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE MONEY FOR OTHER PEOPLE. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET A PHOTO OP FOR CAMPAIGN. >> HEY, ENOUGH. ENOUGH. YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER. >> I'M OUT OF ORDER. I'LL TELLING YOU THE TRUTH >> YOU ARE JUST PLAIN OUT OF ORDER. >> I CAN AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. I THINK JUAN... I WENT OUT THERE I LOOKED AT IT MYSELF, TOO. AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT NEEDS SOME WORK. YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, I WENT TO ROTE 22 AND 45. [03:25:04] THERE IS A LOT OF WORK OVER THERE, TOO. THOSE WERE OUT THERE ALREADY. THEY ARE MOBILIZED ALREADY. WOW KNOW, WE TAKE THE ROAD AS IT COMES. YOU CAN'T BLAME HIM FOR EVERY TIME IT RAINS. I I HAVE STUFF I CAN'T MOVE EITHER BECAUSE IT RAINS. YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME... I'M BEHIND. I WANT ANOTHER EXTENSION OF THE... BECAUSE OF THE RAIN. THE WEATHER. >> THERE IS NO BLAME. I'M TRYING TO HELP THE PERSON. >> WELL... >> THERE IS NO BLAME HERE >> THERE IS NO NEED TO SPEND MONEY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND. >> I MEAN, IT IS GOING TO COME IN TWO MONTHS. IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A WAY TO GET THROUGH IT. YOU WILL HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS GOING TO TAKE TWO MONTHS TO PROCURE IT AND BID IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE I WOULD SAY LET'S PUT A 45-DAY TIME LIMIT ON IT AND MAKE SURE THEY GET TO IT IN THE NEXT 45 DAYS OR SO. IS THAT REASONABLE? >> I MEAN... >> THAT IS GOING TO BE FASTER THAN PROCUREMENT >> I DO WANT TO ASK MICHAEL. I THINK HE IS NODDING HIS HEAD BECAUSE OF THE $100,000. I WAS HOPING THAT THE DLNS-I BELIEVE, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM JUAN IS HE CAN DO THE WORK ON THE ROAD. HE DOESN'T NEED FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY HE WAS UP HERE ASKING FOR SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET IT TO. IF THE COURT WANTS TO PUT A 45-DAY WINDOW AND THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO JUAN... >> WELL, IT IS NOT... >> THAT ONLY TAKES CARE OF GETTING THE ROAD FIXED. >> RIGHT >> Y'ALL STARTED A DIDISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT TO DO IN THE INTERIM >> RIGHT. IS THE $100,000 PRICE TAG... I KNOW YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEEING IT BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST SAYING IT... YOU HAVE GIVEN A RANGE. DID THAT INCLUDE THE DITCHES AND THE DRAINAGE? OR ROAD ONLY? >> THAT WAS ROAD. >> ROAD ONLY. >> YES, MA'AM. >> BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS YOU CAN DO THIS WITHIN YOUR ROAD... >> WITHIN OUR BUDGET, COMMISSIONER. >> OR WE CAN GO OUT AND... I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO GO OUT AND SPEND EXTRA MONEY IF YOU CAN GET IT DONE WITHIN THE BUDGET HE HAS GOT, TOO. AGAIN, IT IS GOING TO TAKE TWO MONTHS AT LEAST TO GET THIS THING PROCURED AND BACK OUT. RIGHT? I MEAN... >> I WONDERED IF IT WOULD SATISFY ANY OTHER EXCEPTION TO THE EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW... THE IDEA THAT... I MEAN,... >> I BELIEVE THERE WAS THE PROPOSITION THAT... WE CAN PUT SOMETHING THERE IN THE MEANTIME. IT IS STILL GOING TO HAVE A HUMP THERE. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND. OKAY. >> I'M LOOKING FOR, LIKE, REAL ALTERNATE ANALYSIS HERE. I MEAN, GAVE GIVE US SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD >> IF YOU CAN GIVE ME 45 DAYS, WE WILL TRY TO FINISH UP THOSE PROJECTS. >> GET STARTED ON THAT? >> YES >> OKAY. THAT IS FASTER THAN WE CAN PROCURE IT. PLUS, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND $100,000. >> GIVE ME 45 DAYS. >> ALL RIGHT. WITHIN 45 DAYS, YOU ARE GOING TO START THE PROJECT. >> NO LATER THAN THE 46TH DAY. >> 45 DAYS, WE WILL START... ON THE 45TH DAY, WE WILL START MOBILIZATION. >> IS THAT OKAY? >> YES, SIR. >> THAT IS YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER? >> IF THAT IS OKAY WITH Y'ALL. >> I MOVE FOR THAT MOTION. >> SECOND. >> GO AHEAD, JERRY >> I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ON THIS. YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING FOR 45 DAYS. I ALSO MENTIONED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE WEATHER-PERMITTING, OKAY? BECAUSE OF WEATHER, IT IS NOT GOOD, WE CAN NOT WORK THERE NO MATTER WHAT. THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO ADDRESS TO YOU GUYS. >> THAT IS FAIR. YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM WEATHER DAYS. >> YOU COME BACK TO COURT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO THE EXCEPTION. MAKE A NEW MOTION. I WANT TO BE... NO. YOU JUST COME BACK TO COURT. IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, IF YOU CAN'T KEEP TO THE 45 DAYS DUE TO WEATHER, COME BRING IT BACK TO US >> THAT IS FINE >> I DON'T WANT TO... I WANT TO HAVE THE COURT AGREE ON WHAT THE BASIS IS. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY ROAD. IT HAD A REAL INTEREST IN QUESTIONING IT DONE FIRST. >> THIS IS GOING TO GET IT DONE FASTER. >> I HEAR YOU ON THE PROCUREMENT. >> I THINK YOU HAVE IT WITH THE WEATHER DAYS. >> RIGHT. WE WILL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE THAT THERE HAS BEEN ENOUGH WEATHER TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. WE ARE DIRECTING YOU. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THIS COURT CAN CHOOSE TO AGREE ON DISAGREE ON A PLAN. WE GET TO SET THE PARAMETERS. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THAT IS WHAT'S WRONG HERE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY. IF IT IS NOT, LET'S JUST SAY IT. LET'S JUST NOT SAY IT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THAT WE ADDRESS THIS ROAD. WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE FINISHED AT A CERTAIN TIME. WE SHOULD HAVE MADE PLANS FOR IT. [03:30:02] WE DIDN'T. NOW WE ARE STUCK. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR WHAT OUR DESIRE AND OUR WILL IS. I HAD TO GET IT ON AN AGENDA TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS COMPLETED. >> I'LL TAKE YOUR 45 DAYS. >> JUDGE, WHY IS IT SO PRESSING NOW? >> IT'S BEEN PRESSING. >> NO. YOU NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. >> OH, MY GOSH. I JUST... YOU ARE... >> THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, JUDGE. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, STICK TO THE PARAMETERS OF THE VENUE. >> ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS MAKE A PHOTO OP. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. JERRY, YOU CAN STEP ASIDE NOW. WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS THERE IS A MOTION TO HAVE THIS COMPLETE, TO HAVE MOBILIZATION DONE IN 45 DAYS. IS THERE A SECOND? >> I THINK THEY ALREADY MOTIONED. >> THEY SECOND ALREADY. WHO WAS IT? SO I KNOW FOR THE RECORD. GONZALEZ. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> JUDGE, CAN WE GET, LIKE, TWO MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY TO GO GET THEIR FOOD? >> MOTION TO RECESS. YOU KNOW WHAT? IT IS JUST A HOLD. >> S A IT IS IN MY OFFICE. >> IT IS 12:28. TAKE US OFF THE RECORD. LEAH. FOR TWO, THREE MINUTES. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. DON'T ANYBODY MOVE. AS THEY SAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RIGHT? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE >> AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO GO ON. TO ITEM NUMBER 15. THIS IS A FUNDING... DISCUSS AND CONSIDER FUNDING PUBLIC SCHOOL COMMUNICATIONS PROJECT FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS. THIS IS A PROJECT WITH... >> I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO 22. >> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. [22. Discuss and consider removal of driveway along CR 52 at 3645 CR 52B (Valley View Dr).] WE ARE. WE ARE GOING TO DO 22. THAT IS THE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REMOVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY OF THE COUNTY ROAD 52. AT 3645 COUNTY ROAD 52-B AT VALLEY VIEW DRIVE. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS A FEW TIMES. IT IS BACK ON THE AGENDA. AND JUAN, HAS SOME INFORMATION FOR US. AND JENNY HAS SOME INFORMATION. WE ALSO HAVE A RESOURCE IN THE ROOM. THE ATTORNEY FOR THE OWNER IS WITH US. AND SO LET US BEGIN. JUAN? BACKGROUND. THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATION >> YES, JUDGE. WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH MR. MILLER SINCE DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. REGARDING A DRIVEWAY THAT ON A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT... THE DRIVEWAY WAS INSTALLED... WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTING FROM MR. MILLER TO REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY. IT IS A HARS HAZARD. HE CAME TO COURT ABOUT A MONTH AGO. TO RECOMMEND REMOVING THE DRIVEWAY. AT THIS TIME, AT THE REQUEST, WE INFORMED MR. MILLER THAT... OR WE PUT BARRICADES TO BARRICADE OFF THE DRIVEWAY. WE PUT SOME SAND BAGS ON THOSE BARRICADES. SINCE THEN, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS GONE OUT THERE AND REMOVED THOSE BARRICADES. HE MOVED THEM OUT OF THE WAY. HE MOVED THE BARRICADES CLOSER TO HIS FENCE LINE. HE HAS BEEN ACCESSING THAT DRIVEWAY EVER SINCE. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE COURT TO HAVE MR. MILLER REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY WITHIN TEN DAYS. IF THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT REMOVED WITHIN TEN DAYS, THE COUNTY WILL GO OUT THERE AND REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY, AND WE WILL BE BILLING MR. MILLER FOR THE MAIN... FOR THE MANPOWERST TO REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY. WE FOLLOW TXDOT. WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A NOTICE TO MR. MILLER. I HAD SOME PHOTOS. I KNOW Y'ALL LOOKEDDED A THEM BEFORE >> OKAY >> ESPECIALLY WHERE HE MOVED THE SAND BAGS AND KIND OF TOSSED THEM TO THE SIDE. >> OKAY. DO OFF RESPONSE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER? WOULD YOU MIND ADDRESSING THE COURT? GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. AND WHO YOU REPRESENT AND... >> YES, YOUR HONOR. >> DON'T FORGET TO USE THAT MIC. IT HELPS THOSE... THANK YOU >> I'M RANDY HILL. I'M AN ATTORNEY HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I'M RETAINED COUNSEL BY THE UNDERWRITER. MR. MILLER HAS MADE A CLAIM ON HIS TITLE POLICY. THEREFORE, I'M MR. MILLER'S ATTORNEY IN THIS MATTER. I'M BEHIND THE EIGHT-BALL BECAUSE THE CLAIM WAS MADE A [03:35:02] LITTLE LATE. I HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE... I HAVE ONLY BEEN INVOLVED FOR A MONTH, A MONTH AND A HALF. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD A TRIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS. I THINK AFTER THE LAST HEARING, WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION IN THE INTERIM THAT WE COULD LIMIT OUR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE GOT HERE IS THAT WE HAVE A LAND-LOCKED PIECE OF PROPERTY. MR. MILLER HAS NO OTHER ACCESS OTHER THAN WHAT IS RIGHT NOW IN PLACE... GOING OUT ON COUNTY ROAD 52. AND HOWEVER, THIS HAPPENED IN THE CLOSING, THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE. AT THE TIME, THAT WAS, I GUESS, THE ACCESS THAT HE THOUGHT HE WOULD HAVE. AS I TALKED TO JENNY YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS. WHEN I FOUND OUT IT WAS BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY. WE ARE KIND OF IN A... MR. MILLER IS IN A CORNER HERE. AT A POINT TO WHERE IT... MAYBE WHAT I NEED TO DO IS FILE A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER AND HAVE THE DISTRICT COURT DETERMINE THE ACCESS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY HAS CONCERNS. IF WE GO IF THERE AND WE START DIGGING UP, YOU KNOW WITH BULLDOZERS AND DIGGING UP A CLEAN... IT IS ONLY BEING ACCESSED BY MR. MILLER. WE AGREED, WE AGREED WITH THE COUNTY AFTER THE LAST MEETING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO NIGHT ACCESS. THERE WOULD BE NO... WE ACTUALLY AGREED TO COME UP WITH A TIME FRAME OF WHEN THEY WOULD ACCESS. THE PROBLEM IS MY CLIENT HAS NO OTHER ACCESS. OTHER THAN THIS ACCESS AT THIS POINT. IT IS A COUNTY ROAD. IT IS NOT A TXDOT-CONTROLLED ROAD. I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOUR HOW WE ARE GETTING TO THIS POINT TO WHERE NO ONE CAN ACCESS COUNTY ROAD 52. ALONG THAT ROAD. I MEAN, THE COUNTY PURCHASED A SLIVER THAT BASICALLY IS BETWEEN THE EXISTING PAVED ROAD AND BASICALLY, EXTENDED COUNTY ROAD 52. SPACE. THE ABUTTING PROPERTY LINE BASICALLY ABUTS COUNTY ROAD 52. AND SO THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW IS THAT COUNTY ROAD 52 HAS BEEN EXTENDED UP TO MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY LINE. SO I THINK THERE IS A REAL ISSUE THERE. MAYBE WE NEED THE DISTRICT COURT TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. THE COUNTY COULD BE SHIELDED BY... I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE CONCERN IS. THERE IS OTHER HOUSES ALONG THERE THAT ARE DRIVING OUT ON 52. I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUTINGS, WELL, WE HAVE LIABILITY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COUNTY WOULD BE SUED IF SOMEBODY ... IF MR. MILLER WAS PULLING OUT AND NEGLIGENTLY, YOU KNOW, CAUSED SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BE THE NEGLIGENCE OF THE COUNTY. BUT IN ANY EVENT, MAYBE THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. I MEAN, MAYBE WE ARE AT A POINT TO WHERE A LAWSUIT NEEDS TO BE... I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF FILING LAWSUITS. I KNOW THAT IS EXPENSIVE. IT IS EXPENSIVE FOR THE COUNTY. UNLESS WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME OTHER AGREEMENT. I DO THINK THAT I PROBABLY HAVE SOME AUTHORITY. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC AMOUNT. OBVIOUSLY, A TITLE COMPANY DESIRES TO GET SOMETHING RESOLVED AS OPPOSED TO PAYING MY FEE. TO REPRESENT ITS INSURED. UNDER THE TIDE TITLE POLICY. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE IS SOME EXCEPTION THAT CAN BE MET OR AN EXPRESS EASEMENT WITH SOME TERMS. BASICALLY, NO FURTHER... ONLY THE LAN OWNER COULD HAVE ACCESS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. THE POINT IS WE ARE GETTING INTO A CORNER HERE. IF THE THREAT IS WE ARE GOING TO COME OUT THERE WITH BULLDOZERS AND DIG UP WHAT'S THERE AND CREATE A BIGGER MESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE. REALLY, WE COULD CREATE A BIG MUD MESS OUT THERE IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS. SO I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE ARE AT A POINT... I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN GET... I WOULD BE GLAD TO MEET WITH JENNY. I HAVE TO BE IN HOUSTON TOMORROW. I WOULD BE GLAD TO MEET WITH HER ON MONDAY. AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME... IF THERE IS SOME WAY THERE COULD BE AN EXPRESS EASEMENT WITH SPECIFIC TERMS AND INDEMNITY ISSUES MAYBE. IN THE AGREEMENT. WE COULD DO THAT. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE AM I? AM I AT POINT WHERE I HAVE TO FILE A TRO? >> SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS MAYBE TO HELP US. AT LEAST UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THEY ARE SHAKING THEIR HEADS BEHIND YOU HERE. NUMBER ONE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE ARE HOMES ADJACENT WHERE THERE COULD BE... OTHER PEOPLE ARE ACCESSING THE ROAD? [03:40:04] I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A POTENTIAL WHERE YOU COULD HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH A NEIGHBOR TO UTILIZE THAT ROAD. >> NO. I THINK HE SAID OTHER PEOPLE WERE DRIVING OUT ON THE ROAD, AND HE WAS SHAKING HIS SAID HEAD NO ON THAT. >> I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. HILL, WHAT ABOUT WHAT HE SAID DO YOU DISAGREE WITH, JUAN? COME TO THE MIC. HE SAID THAT... WHAT ABOUT THE NIGHT ACCESS? IS THAT ACCURATE? >> NO, MA'AM. >> WELL, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DID, JENNY? IF >> THEY TALKED ABOUT LIMITING ACCESS. THE COUNTY NEVER AGREED THAT THIS IS... >> I SEE THE NIGHTTIME ACCESS IN THEIR MIND IS A TERM THEY WOULD AGREE TO. THE OTHER THING THAT YOU SAID NO TO WAS THE PEOPLE AROUND THERE? >> THERE IS NO OTHER DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE ACCESSING ROUTE 52. WE JUST HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE EAST PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 52 IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THEY DO HAVE ACCESS FOR A COUPLE OF... OR ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL ... WHICH IS HOBBY LOBBY THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN PLATTED. IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF... THROUGH THE CITY. DESIGN DRAWINGS WERE DONE. EVERYTHING WAS REVIEWED. AND IN THIS CASE, THIS IS AN ILLEGAL SUBDIVISION. A PROPERTY THAT HASN'T BEEN PLATTED. A PROPERTY THAT WAS JUST DEEDED. THAT IS AGAINST OUR SUBDIVISION RULES. >> OKAY. NOW WE ARE HEARING MORE INFORMATION. SO I HOPE THAT HELPS YOU, MR. HILL. THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IT IS A SUBDIVISION THAT HASN'T BEEN PLATTED, AND THEREFORE, HE DOESN'T HAVE A HOME ON IT? IS THERE HOME ON IT? IS HE TRYING TO GET TO HIS HOME? >> WELL, THERE IS... HE DID BUILD A BARN THAT BASICALLY HE HAS STORAGE... HE HAS STORED HIS R.V. AND BOATS, ET CETERA IN THERE. IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT LIVING ON IT AT THIS POINT. HONESTLY, YESTERDAY, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, APPARENTLY, HIM AND HIS WIFE HAD SEPARATED. HE IS NOT LIVING AT HIS HOME ANYMORE. I DON'T... I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT NOBODY IS GOING TO LIVE ON IT UNTIL WE GET THIS THING RESOLVED. NOTHING FURTHER IS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE. >> RIGHT. I WANT YOU TO HEAR AGAIN FROM JUAN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, IT IS KIND OF HARD. >> THAT IS WHERE THIS WHOLE PROBLEM BEGAN. WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS... THIS WAS OWNED ORIGINALLY,... THIS WAS OWNED... I FORGOT THEIR NAMES. THEY BASICALLY HAD A HOME ON THIS LOT. APPARENTLY, A YEAR AGO OR SO, BACK IN 2020, OR 2021, THEY SOLD THEIR HOUSE. THEN THE NORTH PORTION OF THE LOT TO SOME PEOPLE, BASICALLY. I CAN'T REMEMBER NAMES. THERE WAS A DEED TO THE NORTH... THEY CARVED OUT, THEY HAD A SURVEY DONE AND THEY CARVED OUT 1.5 ACRES AROUND THEIR HOUSE. THEY SOLD THE HOUSE. AND THEN THREE MONTHS LATER, THEY SOLD THE SOUTH HALF OF THEIR LOT TO THE MILLERS. AND IN THAT SURVEY, THAT WAS DONE BY MEDINA SURVEYING. I DON'T KNOW HIM HERE IN TOWN. THEY WERE BASICALLY... IT WAS THEIR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ACCESS AND I THINK THE TITLE COMPANY THOUGHT THEY HAD ACCESS ON TO 52. I WILL AGREE WITH YOU. MEDINA DID NOT DO A REPLAN OF THAT LOT. I MEAN, THAT IS THE PROBLEM >> MAYBE THERE IS NO INTENTION TO CREATE A SUBDIVISION >> OH, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY INTENTION. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE A REPLAT. IF THEY HAD DONE A RE-PLAT OF THAT LOT, IN OTHER WORDS, DIVIDED IT INTO TWO, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THE NORMAL CHAIN OF GETTING APPROVAL >> SURE. >> THAT WASN'T DONE. THERE WAS A TITLE POLICY ISSUED TO MR. MILLER WHEN HE PURCHASED THIS SOUTH HALF. THAT IS WHERE I COME IN. BASICALLY, THAT A CLAIM WAS... YOU KNOW, HE IS NOW BEING... I HAVE TRIED TO SEE IF I CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE OWNER. ONE IS I FIRST TRIED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE THAT THEY BOUGHT THE... THEY SOLD THAT NORTH PART OF IT. IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN GET ACCESS AROUND, AND THERE IS NO... THE WAY IT IS SITUATED, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. THERE IS NO WAY... THEY ARE NOT AGREEING TO IT. >> AND THAT IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WHEN I ASKED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. I HAD BEEN TOLD YOU WERE GOING TO TRY THAT WHICH IS WHY WE KIND OF GOT IT TABLED TO TODAY. IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE A NEGOTIATION OR AN INTEREST BETWEEN THE TWO OWNERS. YOU ARE TELLING US THE ANSWER IS NO. >> I'M NOT SUCCESSFUL AT THIS POINT. >> OKAY >> THERE IS NO CONSIDERATION THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT AT THIS POINT. >> RIGHT. >> TO TRY TO DO THAT PLUS THEY ARE SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE. I WENT TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST. WHO HAS LOT... I GUESS THAT IS LOT FIVE. THINKING WELL, MAYBE THERE IS SOME WAY... AND THERE IS NO [03:45:02] INTEREST... SO FAR, THERE IS NO INTEREST OR ANY CONSIDERATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHICH IS... I DO... AND THEN ALSO THE SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE. THERE IS LOTS ALL LINED UP THERE. >> MM-HMM >> MY CLIENT HAS APPARENTLY... LOT FIVE, THE ADJOINING LOT HAD SOME... I THINK YOU ALL SAW SOME PICTURES IN THE LAST HEARING. THERE WAS RUTS COMING DOWN. THEY BASICALLY WERE COMING UP ON MR. MILLER'S ROAD. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT TO USE THIS ROAD. THE ONLY ONE THAT SHOULD BE USING IT IS MR. MILLER. HE IS NOT LIVING THERE. HE IS WILLING TO LIMIT THAT. I GUESS THE POINT IS MR. MILLER IS AT A POINT TO WHERE WE HAVE EXHAUSTED THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. WHEN I WAS REFERRING TO OTHER PEOPLE ACCESSING 52, I'M TALKING ABOUT... MAYBE IT IS IN THE CITY , AS OPPOSED TO THE COUNTY THERE ARE HOUSES ACE ALONG 52 THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS AND GO OUT ON 52. THEY ARE FURTHER EAST DOWN TOWARDS HOBBY LOBBY >> OKAY >> I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO MISREPRESENT. >> YOU ARE JUST SAYING THAT THERE IS... THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF DRIVEWAYS THAT GO OUT TO 52. FURTHER EAST >> YES. >> OKAY. >> OUT TOWARDS HOBBY LOBBY >> TO GET US MOVING ALONG HERE. JUAN, IF YOU WOULD COME BACK. WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH WITH REGARDS TO SAFETY? YOU WANT TO SEE THIS DRIVEWAY TAKEN UP BECAUSE OF A SAFETY ISSUE >> YES, MA'AM. >> AN EASEMENT WOULDN'T SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM? >> NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM. >> AND YOU HAVE A TXDOT RULE? >> THERE IS PRETTY MUCH A LETTER FROM TXDOT. >> ARE YOU GOING TO PASS IT OUT TO US? >> NO, MA'AM. >> WHAT IS YOUR RULE SO MR. HILL CAN HEAR IT? >> IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE IS AN ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY, THIS IS JUST ABOUT AN ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY. NOT AN UNPLATTED SUBDIVISION. AN ILLEGAL DRIVE WAY. TXDOT GIVES THEM TEN DAYS... THEY GO OUT THERE THEY GIVE THEM TWO NOTICES. IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD GIVE MR. MILLER THREE OR FOUR NOTICES. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE PARTY'S THIRD OR FOURTH NOTICE. THIS IS A TEN-DAY NOTICE, TELLING THEM THAT IF HE DOESN'T REMOVE HIS DRIVEWAY WITHIN TEN DAYS, THE COUNTY WILL REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY. AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OWNER. >> GENERALY, WASN'T THERE A LONGER PROCESS? WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THIS NOTICE? I THOUGHT YOU HAD MENTIONED 30 DAYS. >> WE HAD ASKED FOR THAT TIME FOR THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS. HOWEVER, THE WAY IT HAS HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY IN THE PAST, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY GIVE TEN-DAY LETTER WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN, I BELIEVE, IN JANUARY, THE FIRST ONE WENT OUT. INSTEAD, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH MR. MILLER AND NOW WITH MR. HILL, FOR THIS ADDITIONAL TIME, WHEREAS ORDINARILY, MR. JUAN WOULD SEND OUT THE LETTER AND TEN DAYS LATER, THEY WOULD TEAR UP THE DRIVEWAY. THIS HAS BEEN EXTENDED. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. >> YOU HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, SINCE YOU ARE REALLY BUSY EVERYWHERE ELSE? YOU CAN DO THIS REMOVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY? >> IF WE GET TO THIS POINT, I'M SURE THAT ONCE WE GET... IF WE GET TO IT WITHIN TEN DAYS, WE ARE GOING TO SCHEDULE IT TO GET REMOVED. WE WILL NOTIFY... >> HOW WILL YOU DO THAT SINCE YOU ARE SO BUSY? >> I'M ASKING YOU. YOU JUST TOLD US... I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT IS GOING... I'M BEING HONEST. YOU JUST SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MAINTENANCE CREWS OR THE GREAT EQUIPMENT. I'M ASKING YOU. HE WANTS TO KNOW. HE JUST SAT HERE AND HEARD YOUR PRESENTATION. FOR THIS YOU CAN MOVE EQUIPMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT DRIVEWAY GETS REMOVED. HE NEEDS TO KNOW. >> ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. >> OKAY. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN THE OTHER ROADS AND COME OVER HERE AND DO THIS? THAT WAY HE KNOWS THE SERIOUSNESS OF IT >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO STOP, JUDGE. >> I'M NOT SPEAKING... I'M SPEAKING... YOU MAY NOT INTERRUPT. I'LL CALL ON YOU HAVE IN JUST A MOMENT >> YOU HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEGREE. >> EXCUSE ME. PLEASE DO NOT INTERRUPT. DO NOT INTERRUPT. JUAN... >> IT IS ONE STEP. >> THE IDEA IS TO LET MR. HILL KNOW WHAT YOUR INTENTIONS ARE >> ONE STAFF MEMBER. ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. AND JUDGE, AND COMMISSIONERS, KIND OF LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH MR. MILLER SINCE DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. WE SENT OUT A LETTER IN FEBRUARY. WE SENT A LETTER TO HIM. AND NOTIFIED THAT THERE WASN'T... THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ILLEGAL SUBDIVISION. THEY HAVE TO GET ACCESS TO VALUE [03:50:04] ARE VIEW. I DON'T KNOW IF THE ATTORNEY KNOWS THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN COORDINATION. FROM PUBLIC WORKS, WE HAVE GIVEN HIM THE OPPORTUNITY. HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WILL GIVE YOU 30 DAYS TO HANDLE WHATEVER YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. THAT WAS BACK IN DECEMBER. AND THEN IN FEBRUARY,. AND THEN YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO BE LENIENT. WE SAID WE WOULD GIVE YOU MORE TIME. OTHER CONSTITUENTS WILL HAVE DRIVEWAYS ILLEGALLY WE WILL HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN AND HAVING TO COME TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. NORMALLY, IN THE PAST, JERRY HAS BEEN HERE FOR 40-SOMETHING YEARS. THE COUNTY ENGINEER WOULD JUST DIRECT HIS EMPLOYEES TO GO REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY. IF IT IS AN ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY. FOR AN ILLEGAL STRUCTURE. IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. WHERE THE COUNTY ENGINEER JUST DIRECTS HIS EMPLOYEES TO GO OUT THERE AND REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY. >> EXCUSE ME, JUAN. THIS QUESTION IS FOR YOU. HAVE YOU DONE ANY OF THIS ILLEGAL DRIVE WAYS? >> WE HAVE DONE IN PRIOR ENGINEERING. >> IT TAKES AN HOUR. HOUR AND A HALF. WE ARE OUT OF THERE >> OKAY. >> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME >> THANK YOU, GUYS. >> OKAY, MR. HILL. ANYTHING FURTHER? WITH REGARD TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW HEARD WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS OF PUBLIC WORKS AND THE TIME FRAME? >> AND I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT OBVIOUSLY, THIS WAS NOT... MR. MILLER JUST DECIDING THIS IS THE WAY HE WANTED TO GO. THE PROBLEM IS IT IS HIS ONLY WAY TO ACCESS... WE WILL END UP WITH A LAND-LOCKED PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO MAYBE... YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHAT I TOLD JENNY YESTERDAY. WE MAY BE IN A CORNER AT THIS POINT. MY RECOMMENDATION IS PROBABLY I WOULD BE BRINGING A SUIT. I'LL COORDINATE WITH JENNY ON THAT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE MAY NEED TO HAVE SOME. THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE NOT THE SITUATION. THIS WAS BASICALLY A CONVEYANCE OF THE SOUTH HALF OF... GRANTED, I WISH THEY WOULD HAVE REPLANTED... REPLATED IT. WE COULD HAVE AVOIGHTED ALL OF THIS I COMPLETELY AGREES WITH ALL OF THAT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. I HAVE A CLIENT WHO BASICALLY IS GOING TO END UP WITH A LAND-LOCKED PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE WAY IT IS. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE IS... YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT IS THE PROCESS WE BEGAN. MAYBE THERE IS SOME WAY DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME KIND OF EXCEPTION. TO WHERE NOBODY IS GOING TO... YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE JUST BUILDING DRIVEWAYS. REALIZING IT IS A PROBLEM. I MEAN, IT IS GOING TO BE AN EXPENSIVE PROBLEM FOR THE BOAT COUNTY AND MY CLIENT. AND THE CARRIER. >> TO GET IT RESOLVED >> I WISH WE COULD RESOLVE THE MATTER. WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S COUNSEL ON THIS UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN HEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING... >> I UNDERSTAND THERE IS ALWAYS ... YOU KNOW, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A DISPUTE HERE. AND REALLY, MAYBE THE DISTRICT CLERK, THE DISTRICT COURT IS WHERE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED. AS LONG AS I CAN HAVE SOME ASSURANCE THAT AFTER THE LAST MEETING, I THINK IT WAS THE NEXT DAY OR WHATEVER THEY WENT OUT AND DUMPED A BUNCH OF DIRT RIGHT ON HIS ROAD. THEY TOOK THAT OFF. I CALLED JENNY ABOUT IT. I WAS NOTICE MIDDLE OF THE TRIAL. AS LONG AS I HAVE TEN DAYS, I HAVE TO BE IN HOUSTON TOMORROW. I THINK WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING GOING BY FIRST OF NEXT WEEK. CERTAINLY WITHIN TEN DAYS. >> RIGHT. RIGHT. >> IN THE MEANTIME, I'LL COMMUNICATE WITH JENNY. I DON'T... HONESTLY, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T SEE ANOTHER AVENUE. AND I HEAR... I UNDERSTAND JUAN'S POSITION AND THE COUNTY'S POSITION AND SO AS LONG AS I HAVE TEN DAYS, SOMETHING WILL BE MOVING ONE WAY OR THE OR THE OTHER ON THE THING. OKAY? >> JUAN, WHAT IS YOUR... WHO HOW DO YOU... WHAT IS THE CITY'S ABILITY TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAYS AND NOT US? HOW DO THEY DEAL WITH IT? >> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, JUDGE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOBBY LOBBY THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, THE ONES THAT THE ATTORNEY IS TALKING ABOUT, THOSE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS. THEY ALREADY HAD A DRIVEWAY BEFORE. >> BUT AREN'T THEY... THEY ARE ONLY... THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE? >> THEY HAVE THEY ARE IN THE CITY LIMITS. THEY ARE NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION. >> ON THE SAFETY ISSUE, HOW IS THEIR DRIVEWAY ANY DIFFERENT THANT COUNTY DRIVEWAY? >> I'M NOT SURE. THAT ONE IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL [03:55:02] DRIVEWAY. THEY LOOKED AT IT. THEY DISCUSSED IT WITH THE CITY. THEY MADE SURE IT HAD THE RIGHT DISTANCES, EVERYTHING. IN THIS CASE, IT IS AN ILLEGAL SUBDIVISION. IT IS AN ILLEGAL... AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE COUNTY FOR THE SUBDIVISION RULES. IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES AND THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION, WE ARE GOING TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO START DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE SOME RESIDENTS THAT ARE VOTING FIVE HOUSES ON ONE LOT. WE ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THAT IN THE COMING WEEKS. >> BUT AGAIN... >> WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO... IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW RULES AND REGULATIONS, THEN WHY HAVE THEM? >> NO. WELL, FOR STARTERS, WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW RULES AND REGULATIONS. I'M TRYING TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE CONSISTENT. YOU HAD SUGGESTED THAT IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE. IF DOWN THE STREET THERE ARE FOUR OTHER DRIVEWAYS, I'M WONDERING HOW THAT PUTS US IN A POSITION OF STRENGTH. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THE ILLEGAL SUB DISCRITION >> JUDGE, I GUESS WE SHOULD CALL THE CITY. THAT IS NOT OUR JURISDICTION. >> IF HE THINKS IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE, ISN'T IT A SAFETY ISSUE ALL THE WAY THROUGH? MAYBE IT IS A BETTER ARGUMENT TO SAY THAT IS AN ILLEGAL SUBDIVISION. MY QUESTION SO YOU IS, IS THERE NOT ANY WAY, S OR FORM... IF IT WERE NOT ILLEGAL SUBDIVISION, LET'S SAY THAT IT WAS... FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T SEE HOW IT IS A SUBDIVISION IF IT IS A BARN. ANYWAY, IS THERE NOT ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER BEFORE THE COUNTY HAVE HAS TO GO AND FIGHT THIS? HAS THE MY QUESTION TO YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN RECOMMEND? >> I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, JUDGE. >> OH. >> I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. >> OKAY I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, THEN I'M ASKING IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF >> YES, MA'AM. IN REGARDS TO THE CITY, THEY GO THROUGH THE PROPER PERMITTING PROCESSION. THEY GO THROUGH THE STEPS. I'M SURE THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE CITY ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY MANY YEARS AGO. >> BUT IF WE WERE TO CREATE A POLICY LIKE THAT... >> I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T THINK IT IS A FAIR QUESTION FOR JUAN. JENNY, IS THERE ANYTHING... >> SO FAR, WE HAD BEEN HOPING... WE HAD TIED OUR HOPES TO THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS SELLING AN EASEMENT FOR HIMST TO HAVE ACCESS. AT THIS POINT, YES, I MEAN, WE COULD BRANCH OUT AND LOOK AT OTHER THINGSMENT >> LIKE WHAT? >> IF I COULD INTERJECT. >> HOLD ON A SECOND. HANG ON A SECOND. LET ME ASK HERE. I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS LET ME JUST SAY, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A YEAR PLUS. WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME COURTESY. THIS IS THIS HAS GONE ON SINCE DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT DIRECTED AT YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN AT IT A MONTH. HE HAS BEEN DEALING WITH IT FOR ALMOST A YEAR. THAT IS RIDICULOUS. AND REALLY FRUSTRATING PART FOR ME IS THAT IT REALLY FELT LIKE HE WAS GETTING CHASTISED FOR DOING HIS JOB BY PART OF THIS COURT. I THINK YOU ARE COMING HERE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND DO YOU ARE SUPPOSES TO BE DOING. MY QUESTION IS, JENNY, HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, I THINK JUAN IS DOING HIS JOB. IS THERE SOMETHING LEGALLY THAT CAN BE DONE AT THIS POINT, OTHER THAN FOLLOW THE RULES THAT JUAN HAS COME FORTH AND SAID? YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS. YOU OUGHT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS IS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? >> I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE INNOVATIVE. BECAUSE YES, IF THERE IS NO SAFE WAY... AND WE ARE ALSO STILL LOOKING AT THAT WITH JUAN. IF THERE IS NOT A SAFE WAY TO ACCESS THAT ROAD, THEN THERE IS... YOU KNOW, HIS RECOURSE MAY BE AGAINST JUST THE PEOPLE... THE TITLE COMPANY... >> WELL, GENERALY, I THINK WE TALKED YESTERDAY ABOUT... >> THE TITLE COMPANY CAN PAY DAMAGES. ALL THE TITLE COMPANY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IS SAY OKAY, COUNTY, WE WILL PAY DAMAGES FOR LAND-LOCKING THIS GUY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TITLE COMPANY IS GOING TO... I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TITLE COMPANY CAN DO OTHER THAN PAY DAMAGES. THAT STILL DOESN'T GET THE GUY A ROAD. I'M ASKING YOU, IN YOUR OBSERVATION OF THIS SO FAR, HAVE YOU SEEN OR FOUND ANYTHING YET THAT YOU THINK IS EVEN VIABLE THAT IS EVEN WORTH DELAYING THIS FOR FIVE MINUTES? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO HANG MY HAT ON FROM YOU WITH ALL THE RESPECT, I'M ASKING YOU WHO REPRESENTS US, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU SEE RIGHT NOW THAT IS WORTH DELAYING THIS FOR? >> WELL, THERE IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. [04:00:02] EITHER THERE IS A FINE OF... A TYPE OF DRIVEWAY THAT COULD BE ENGINEERED TO SATISFY THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE OR KNOW ABOUT YET. THAT IS GOING TO BE A LONGER ISSUE THAN THE TEN DAYS. OR PERHAPS THEY OFFER THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS ADEQUATE TO THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS THAT WILL ALLOW HIM TO HAVE THAT ACCESS WHICH COULD TAKE SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN TEN DAYS. I DON'T KNOW. DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH THEY ARE WILLING TO OFFER THOSE PEOPLE. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION CARVED OUT. >> OKAY. SO AS I SIT HERE... I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DEFEND... NO OFFENSE. I'M LISTENING TO THIS STUFF. I'M GOING OH, SURE, HE HAS TO DO WHATEVER HE HAS TO DO TO PROTECT HIS CLIENT. IT IS NOT FRIVOLOUS. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN IT ISN'T OUR FAULT THAT WE ARE IN THIS POSITION. OR THEY ARE THIS THIS POSITION. I GET THAT HE HAS TO FILE THAT. WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR THE ATTORNEY'S FEES. WE ARE GOING TO ASK THE R TRO TO GO AWAY. ALL THAT STUFF. I'M WILLING, IF YOU THINK, NOT FOR LONG, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO MUCH LONGER ON THIS EITHER. IT IS RIDICULOUS. TO FORCE HIM TO A MEDIATION OR DO SOMETHING TO FORCE EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM ONE LAST TIME AND MAKE THIS MOTION SUBJECT TO THAT HAPPENING FIRST. IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN YOU KNOW, LET HIM FOLLOW HIS TRO. WE WILL SAY IT IS A FRIVOLOUS TRO. WE WILL SEE WHAT THE COURTS DO. RIGHT? I'M OKAY IF YOU THINK THERE IS ANY WAY WE COULD COME UP WITH A SPECIALLY DESIGNED DRIVEWAY THAT THE TITLE COMPANY WILL AGREE TO PAY FOR OR THE UNDERWRITER WILL AGREE TO PAY FOR. I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS WORTH TRYING IF YOU THINK THAT IS WORTH TRYING BUT NOT VERY LONG. LIKE, I WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE THIS SUBJECT TO, LIKE, HAVING THIS QUICK SETTLEMENT THING AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BAR THE DOORS AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. IF YOU THINK THERE IS EVEN A SCINTILLA OF POSSIBILITY THAT THAT IS SOMETHING... WE WE HADN'T BROACHED THAT WITH JUAN YET AS FAR AS A DESIGN OF A DRIVEWAY THAT MIGHT BE ADEQUATE >> HE IS GOING TO SAY, YOU ARE THE LAWYER. RIGHT? IF YOU TELL HIM HE CAN DO IT, WE KEEP ASKING, YOU KNOW... HE KEEPS GETTING ASKED THE WRONG QUESTIONS. THE QUESTION HAS TO BE TO YOU. OKAY. IF YOU TELL HIM IT IS LEGAL TO GO BUILD THIS DRIVEWAY, HE WILL SAY GREAT, I'LL BUILD THE DRIVEWAY. UNTIL YOU SIGN OFF ON IT, YOU KNOW, HE IS NOT. I WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD DO THIS, NUMBER 22, SUBJECT TO THERE WILL BE BEING A MEDIATION PRIOR TO US PUTTING THIS INTO EFFECT WITHIN THE NEXT 7 DAYS. WITH THE UNDERSTOOD WRITE, THE OWNER, THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES. WE EITHER COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT YOU THINK IS LEGAL THAT YOU CAN TELL US AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN HE FILES HIS TRO AND GO ON. I'LL TYPE THAT MOTION UP FOR YOU IN A MINUTE >> I'LL SECOND IT. >> OKAY. >> IF I COULD JUST ADD, ONE THING. SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY. OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I WOULD BE WILLING TO... THE LAND, THIS LOT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPLATED. I THINK THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING I SUGGESTED WE COULD... I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO HAVE IT ... AT THE EXPENSE OF HAVING THIS LOT BEING REPLATED TO WHERE YOU HAVE... >> Y'ALL CAN DO THAT IN A SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE. >> THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE... I DON'T THINK I WOULD GET THAT APPROVED >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER PLATTED. >> THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. IT IS IN A SUBDIVISION. IT IS IN A SUBDIVISION. WHEN IT WAS SEPARATE... IT WAS CUT IN TWO. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A RE-PLAT. I AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY IF THERE HAD BEEN A RE-PLAT AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY SAYING THAT THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY ON 52 FROM A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON 52? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK... I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYWHERE WHERE THE COUNTY CAN SAY WE ARE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY... >> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND LITIGATE THIS ALL AFTERNOON: THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. >> THAT WAS A QUESTION TO JUAN. DO YOU SEE A WAY WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A LEGAL DRIVEWAY THE WAY IT STANDS? COMING OUT TO ROAD 52? >> IF THE OWNER WOULD PLAT IT PROPERLY THE FIRST TIME WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACCESS FROM ROUTE 52-B. >> OKAY. >> THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT PROPERTY COULD HAVE BEEN PLATTED. IF THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT PLATTED. THERE WAS AN E-MAIL FROM MICHAEL TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER. SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. [04:05:01] THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET ACCESS FROM COUNTY ROAD 52. INITIALLY. I'M ASSUMING THAT... 52-B. I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THEY STILL SOLD THE PROPERTY AS A DEED >> REGARDLESS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ARE YOU GUYS STILL SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW STATE RULES? >> YES, SIR. >> SO... THAT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO CUT THROUGH THERE OR NOT. YOU STILL HAVE STATE REGULATIONS. THAT TELLS YOU HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. RIGHT? >> YES, SIR >> AND AGAIN, I THINK JUAN IS 100% DOING HIS JOB. MR. HILL IS TRYING TO DO HIS JOB. UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR CLIENT TOOK THAT LONG TO FILE THE CLAIM. IT HAS TAKEN THIS LONG TO GET HERE. THAT IS UNFORTUNATE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE WASTING A LOT OF TIME JUST SITTING HERE DOING THIS THIS AFTERNOON. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED EIGHT MONTHS AGO. AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE A SHORT TIME FRAME. IF YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND THE MOTION, TO BE CLEAR, MY MOTION IS THAT IN THAT 7-DAY PERIOD, THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY CAN'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT SHE CAN LEGALLY RECOMMEND TO THIS COURT, THAT THE DRIVEWAY, WE GIVE THEM THE TEN-DAY NOTICE, AND WE ARE DONE. WE GO ON. ONE LAST SHOT. EVERYBODY SITS DOWN. AND IF WE CAN'T DO IT, THEN THE NOTICE GETS ISSUED. WITHOUT US COMING BACK TO COURT. NOTHING. IF HE WANTS TO FILE HIS TRO AT THAT POINT, HE CAN. WE WILL DEAL WITH IT AT THAT POINT. I'M SAYING ONE LAST SHOT. I FEEL BAD FOR THE GUY WHO IS LAND-LOCKED. NO OFFENSE. SOMEBODY AT THE TITLE COMPANY MESSED UP. GLAD IT IS NOT MINE. WE HAVE HAD OUR SHARE OF THOSE THINGS. THEY HAPPEN. I DO FEEL FOR MR. MILL'S CLIENT. NOT THE TITLE COMPANY. THAT IS A BUMMER. BEING LAND-LOCKED. THEY HAVE DONE THEIR JOBS. THIS GIVES US... 7 DAYS TO SIT DOWN. THAT IS A TIGHT TIME FRAME FOR YOU TO PUT THAT TOGETHER, JENNY. THAT MEANS MR. HILL HAS TO GET THE UNDERWRITER. IS THAT ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO DO IT? I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT FIRST. I'M SOY >> 7 DAYS MIGHT BE TIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A STRESS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, PERCEIVED DANGER OF HAVING ACCESS. >> THE BURDEN IS ON MR. HILL. HE HAS TO COME IN AND SHOW YOU IN 7 DAYS. IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THE RESEARCH. I WANT HIM TO PREPARE SOMETHING FOR YOU THAT YOU SAY IS LEGALLY SOUND OR NOT. I'M PUT TRYING TO PUT THE ONUS ON MR. HILL TO PROVIDE YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN REVIEW. NOT DO A BUNCH OF RESEARCH. I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT >> OKAY. >> BUT TELL ME IF THAT IS NOT A FAIR TIME FRAME. I MEAN, IT IS REALLY MORE OF AN ONUS ON MR. HILL. >> ARE YOU SUGGESTING... >> ASSUMING WE COULD GET TO A MEDIATOR, FIND ONE, GET TO ONE IN THE NEXT... >> LET'S SAY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE. HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT IS FAIR. SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE. I DON'T NEED A MEDIATOR. MY BAD >> THAT DOES MAKE IT EASIER >> I'M SORRY THAT IS THE WRONG TERM. LET ME AEND IN FINANCE... AMEND THAT MOTION A SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE INSTEAD OF A MEDIATION. >> YES. >> EXCUSE ME, JUDGE. JENNY, DOES THIS MEAN THAT HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE COMING IN AND OUT FROM THAT PROPERTY AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW? >> AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT IS ... WE STILL BELIEVE AN ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY. NOW, THE COURT IN THE PRIOR MEETING HAD DESCRIBED BARRICADES. I KNOW THERE WAS AN ISSUE WHERE THERE WAS DIRT DUMPED SO THAT ACCESS WAS ABSOLUTELY... RIGHT. IT WAS NOT... DIRT DUMPING THERE WAS NOT... YOU KNOW, THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED IN THE COURT. THE COURT DID NOT VOTE ON THAT >> DEME, IT WAS A BARRICADE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE WOULDN'T HAVE IN OR OUT ACCESS. AS WE HAVE SEEN, HE HAS TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF MOVING THE BARRICADE. TO GET IN THERE AND OUT. AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AN ACCIDENT CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME. >> WELL, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT >> IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DENYING MY CLIENT COMPLETE ACCESS, I WILL BE FILING THE TRO THIS AFTERNOON >> IT WAS A BARRICADE, JUDGE. >> THAT WAS NOT AUTHORIZED BY THE COURT. THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT THE AUTHORITY OF THE COURT >> WE GOT IT RESOLVED. IT WAS REMOVED AFTER THEY DUMPED THE LOAD OF DIRT THERE. >> I'M JUST FINDING OUT FOR THE FIRST TIME RIGHT NOW THAT HE AUTHORIZED THAT >> OF COURSE, I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, JUDGE. >> ANYWAY, HE AUTHORIZED THAT. I NEED YOU TO KNOW THAT, MR. HILL >> DURING THE INTERIM, IF THE COURT WOULD LIKE TO SET PARAMETERS DURING WHICH THERE WOULD BE ACCESS OR WOULD NOT DEFINITELY, DEFER FITLY NOT BE ACCESS, THAT MIGHT... I DON'T KNOW, QUIET SOME OF THE STRESS ABOUT THE ACCESS. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACCESS ISSUE IS, AGAIN. I DON'T REALLY KNOW. I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, WE COULDN'T TAKE THE DRIVEWAY AWAY [04:10:03] AND THE ACCESS AWAY WITHOUT... BEFORE THE TEN-DAY NOTICE ANYWAY. RIGHT? HOW DOES THAT WORK THIS ALL RIGHT. SORRY, JUAN. THAT IS JENNY QUESTION, TOO >> THE BARRICADES ARE THERE. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO STAY THERE. NOW, HE HAS APPARENTLY... BECAUSE IT IS STILL, WE BELIEVE AN ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY. SO ANY ACCESS IS NOT ACTUALLY PERMITTED UNLESS THE COURT SAYS OKAY, BETWEEN NOW THE HOURS OF MIDNIGHT AND 1:00 A.M., YOU MAY DO THIS. OR YOU MAY DO THIS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF SUCH AND SUCH BECAUSE WE DO... I DO BELIEVE HE HAS ACCESSED IT. IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL WHEN ME... WHEN HE MAY, THAT MIGHT HELP >> I THINK WITHIN THIS 7-DAY PERIOD, THEN IT IS A BIT OF A STAY. AFTER THAT, ACCESS DENIED. HE CAN FILE HIS TRO. IF THEY CAN'T GET IT RESOLVED IN THE 7-DAY PERIOD, THEN YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING. LOOK, LET'S GIVE HIM 7 DAYS. IF THEY CAN'T WORK IT OUT, ACCESS DENIED. FILE YOUR TRO. ON DOWN THE ROAD WE GO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO COURT FOR THIS AGAIN. IF MY MOTION IS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH, TELL ME NOW. SO I CAN MAKE IT CLEARER. INTENT IS 7 DAYS. KIND OF LIKE A STAY. A 7-DAY STAY. GET THE SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE. CAN'T GET IT WORKED OUT? BARRICADE IT BACK UP. FILE YOUR TRO. WE WILL FIGHT IT OUT LATER. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? >> AT THAT POINT, WE WANT THE BARRICADES TO BE DIRT? COMPLETE INACCESSIBILITY? >> IT ONLY TAKES ONE ACCIDENT FOR SOMEONE TO COME BACK AT US. THAT IS THE WAY THE COURT WANTS TO GO, THEN LET'S DO IT. >> OKAY. >> THERE IS A MOTION... >> WHAT WERE YOUR SAYING, GENERAL Y IF >> AT THE END OF THAT TIME, DO YOU WANT MOVABLE BARRICADES OR LOADS OF DIRT THAT COMPLETELY GRANT ACCESS... NO ACCESS IN >> WHATEVER WE WOULD NORMALLY DO. >> BARRICADES. >> I DON'T WANT TO GO OUTSIDE... WHATEVER JUAN WOULD NORMALLY DO >> THEN THAT IS A FACT ISSUE THAT WOULD CREATE LIABILITY ON THEM. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS >> WHENEVER... >> WHEN YOU DO THESE BEFORE, WHAT DO YOU NORMALLY DO? >> WE PUT A BARRICADE UP AND SOME CONES UP. >> RIGHT. >> AND THEN WE PUT SOME SAND BAGS ON IT. AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PICTURES, MR. GARETT HAS RELOCATED THE BARRICADE. AND THROWN THE SAND BAGS TO THE SIDE. I MEAN, HE DIDN'T HAVE THE COURTESY TO PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS >> IF THAT IS THE CASE, THAT WARRANTS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE NORMALLY DO. IF THEY ARE DISREGARDING WHAT WE NORMALLY DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE MORE OF A BARRICADE... I MEAN,... >> YES, SIR. IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO REMOVE THEM, THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING... >> I WOULD CONCUR. IF SOMEONE IS REMOVING THE BARRICADES, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO >> YES, SIR. >> SO YOU HAVE A MOTION, LORENZO. >> LET ME TRY IT AGAIN. >> YOU THINK YOU GOT IT? >> OKAY. HE'S GOT IT. HE SAYS YES. HE'S GOT IT. AND A SECOND FROM MYSELF. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU... >> CAN I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION. I UNDERSTAND WITHIN 7 DAYS, JENNY AND I WILL SET UP A SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE. WITHIN 7 DAYS. >> YES. >> AND THEN THE TEN-DAY FROM TODAY IS THE RULE AS TO WHENS WILL BASICALLY, IN OTHER WORDS, THE TEN-DAY PERIOD RUNS FROM TODAY IS THAT CORRECT? OR RUN FROM THE SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE DATE, THE TEN-DAY? >> NO. IT WOULD RUN... I DON'T THINK IT CAN RUN... >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE REPLACING THE TEN DAYS WITH THE 7 DAYS >> I WAS SAYING TEN DAYS FROM THE END OF THE SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THAT IS HOW LORENZO HAS IT. >> RIGHT. >> IF NO SOLUTION, THEN TEN-DAY NOTICE WILL BE ISSUED >> IT WILL BE ACCEPTED BY ME. THAT WAY ON THE DATE, WE WILL HAVE A SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE. WITHIN 7 DAYS. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. I >> I WOULD HIGHLY URGE YOU TO DO DO AS MUCH DUE DILIGENCE AS POSSIBLE. THAT WAY, YOUR CONFERENCE IS FRUITFUL AND NOT A DELAY OF THE COURT'S TIME >> SURE. YEAH. >> AND HOPEFULLY, WE WILL NOT BE BACK HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT IS ALL I HAD. CAN I BE EXCUSED? >> YES. YOU MAY >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU, JUAN. THANK YOU, JERRY. >> WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM [15. Discuss and consider funding public school communications project from American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds.] NUMBER 15. REMEMBER, WE TOOK 22 OUT OF ORDER. IF YOU ARE JUST JOINING US AGAIN, AND WE ARE GOING... I THINK WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS. WE JUST TOOK 22 OUT OF ORDER. THE NEXT ONE IS A FUNDING OF PUBLIC SCHOOL COMMUNICATIONS PROJECT FROM AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS. THIS WOULD BE THE FUNDING IN [04:15:03] AT OF $100,000. IT WOULD BE FOCUSED ON TWO SCHOOL DISTRICTS AT THIS TIME. I HOPE TO BRING MORE BACK WHEN THE OTHER SCHOOLS FULFILL THEIR PAPERWORK, SO TO SPEAK. >> SURE. LET ME DESCRIBE THIS THIS WAY. FOR SAFETY REASONS, BASICALLY, IT IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS AVAILABLE THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE SCHOOLS. FOR SAFETY. THINK BUS DRIVERS AND COACHES. IT IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE VETTED WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THE I.T. DEPARTMENTS. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPENSIVE, I WOULD SAY, INSTALL. SO IT IS A VERY LIMITED INSTALLATION. WITH DEVICES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE SCHOOL FOR SCHOOL SAFETY. AND IT IS FROM A VERY REPUTABLE SOURCE. AT&T. I CAN TELL YOU MORE. I'M TRYING TO WALK AROUND IT A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU WILL ASK ME QUESTIONS, I CAN MAYBE ANSWER THEM. >> WELL, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO ASK SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO MESS UP... CAN WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK OUT AND HEAR ABOUT IT. I DON'T WANT TO GET AWAY... I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY. FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> I JUST FELT LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD IDEA TO TELL BAD GUYS HOW WE ARE DOING IT. WE WILL GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT SOME POINT HERE WE WILL ADDRESS IT AND COME BACK UP. [16. Discuss and consider funding civil process software from American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds.] DON'T REME... DON'T LET ME FORGET. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS TO ALSO PROVIDE CIVIL PROCESS SOFTWARE. AGAIN, FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT. ON THIS ONE, IT IS GOING TO BE A LOT LIKE THE HIGH... IT IS GOING TO BE LIKE THE PROCESS OF THE COUNTY MANAGERS. MY GOODNESS. THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS. THE SOFTWARE. WE ARE NOT MAKING A SELECTION. WE ARE JUST SAYING WE ARE GOING TO ASK THE COURT TO ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THIS TYPE OF SOFTWARE. AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROCURED. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK. THIS ALLOWS US TO LET THE FOLKS KNOW THAT ARE HOPING TO IMPLEMENT THIS IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, HOW THEY NEED TO BEGIN THIS PROCESS. THERE IS A SCOPE THIS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT FORTH. IMT. NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED. VERY SIMILAR TO THE WAY WE DID THE OFFICE... YOU KNOW, THE CASE MANAGER SOFTWARE. THE COMMISSIONER AND I WERE GOING TO... IS IT 50-50? I BETTER NOT MAKE NEW DEALS HERE. I BELIEVE IT WAS 50-50 FROM OUR ARPA FUNDS. THIS IS, AGAIN, FOR THE PROCESS SOFTWARE. THAT WOULD BE USED COUNTY-WIDE. AND WOULD INTEGRATE WITH OUR JUDICIARY, AS IN OUR JP'S AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. AS WELL AS OUR JAIL. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND AGAIN, I NEED TO GET YOU... LET ME TURN TO IT. >> WAS THERE SOME BACKUP IN THIS? THIS WAS LIKE... >> THERE IS NO BACKUP. WE DON'T KNOW ANY... WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS... WE DON'T HAVE THE RFP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT IS JUST TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO ALLOCATE SOME OF THE DOLLARS IN THIS REGARD. WHICH WOULD BE FOR THIS PROCESS SOFTWARE. OTHERWISE, IT IS HARD TO PLAN. IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT THESE FUNDS WOULD BE AVAILABLE. AND AGAIN, THERE ARE MY FUNDS FROM ARPA. AND REALLY, COMMISSIONER, IF YOU ARE NOT READY AT THIS TIME, THAT IS FINE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE MY FUNDS THAT ARE... YOU KNOW, ALLOCATED HERE. MY NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE A BIG ONE. I'LL BE FINISHING WITH MY ARPA. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THEM ALLOCATED TO THE AREAS THAT I BELIEVE... >> WE DO IT SUBJECT TO FINDING OUT... HOW MUCH IS THIS, DID YOU SAY? [04:20:03] HOW MUCH... YOU SAID DISCUSSING ... HOW MUCH? >> WELL, I WAS GOING TO ALLOCATE $200,000 >> THAT IS GOING TO... >> THAT IS A GUIDANCE. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE RFP. I WOULD HAVE TO GUIDE. HOLD ON. >> IS THERE MORE REQUIRED THAN THAT $200,000? >> MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS A BALLPARK FIGURE OF AROUND $350,000. >> THAT WAS A TOE RAL RANGE. ... TOTAL RANGE. >> $350? >> YES, SIR. >> THEN DIVIDE IT UP. I WAS THINKING $400,000. THEN $350,000. I WOULD REDUCE TO 175 >> YOU AND COMMISSIONER MAREZ ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE 175 EACH SUBJECT TO EXPLANATION AND RQ HAS TO CREATE THE FUNDING SOURCE? >> YES. I'M JUST CREATING THE FUNDING SOURCE. REMEMBER THE WHOLE OBJECT OF CREATING A FUNDING SOURCE, I'M CREATING THE FUNDING SOURCE SO, THEREFORE, AN AGENDA ITEM CAN BE BROUGHT FORTH FOR THIS WHATEVER PROCUREMENT MICHAEL WANTS TO BRING FORTH. WITHOUT THE FUNDING... RIGHT NOW, I'M CREATING THE FUNDING SERVICE SO THIS SOFTWARE CAN BE PURSUED. MICHAEL DOESN'T WANT TO WASTE TIME DOING WORK THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDING SOURCE. >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE POLICIES, TOO. YES. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE BACK-UP >> I UNDERSTAND. >> I'M JUST ASKING. >> IT IS AN ALLOCATION. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A WILD GUESS. I'M GOING TO PUT 175 FOR MINE. AND COMMISSIONER, IS THAT HOW YOU SEE IT? 50-50? INFORM YES. UP TO THAT AMOUNT. YES. >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE. I HAVE THAT. HOPEFULLY, MICHAEL WILL BRING BACK MORE DIRECTION IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. OKAY. SO THAT IS MY MOTION. COMMISSIONER MAREZ, WILL YOU SECOND THAT? >> SECOND. >> OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL RIGHT. NOW THE NEXT ONE IS A RENAMING O' >> A COUNTY ROAD. ACTUALLY, TWO ROADS. 18 AND 43. JUAN IS HERE TO TELL US ABOUT THAT ONE. >> ACTUALLY, JUDGE, I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT ONE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> OKAY. GO AHEAD >> WE HAD A CONTACT FROM THE DEVELOPER IN THIS AREA THAT INDICATES THAT HE WANTS TO BE ANNEXED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THE ONLY WAY TO BE ANNEXED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IS TO ANNEX THESE TWO COUNTY ROADS THAT THEN WOULD PROVIDE HIS PROPERTY THE ABILITY TO TOUCH, IF YOU WILL, THE CITY LIMITS AND THEN COULD BE ANNEXED. THE CITY HAS INDICATED THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH MYSELF, WITH JUAN, A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE INVOLVED, THAT THEIR INTENT IS TO DO THAT. THAT WILL BE THE ANNEXATION PART, ON THE AGENDA NEXT IN OCTOBER. BUT BEFORE WE DO THIS, MY FEELING WAS THAT SINCE WE WERE ... THESE WILL NO LONGER BE COUNTY ROADS, AND WE WANT TO DISTINGUISH THAT, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID TO ANOTHER ROAD, WE WOULD RENAME A PORTION. THERE SHOULD BE A DIAGRAM ON THE DESK. A PORTION OF COUNTY ROADS 43. WE HAVE TWO COUNTY ROAD 43'S. I WAS REALLY LOOKING AT DOING THIS ANYWAY. IT IS REALLY CONFUSING. WE HAVE TWO 43'S. ONE OF WEBBER. ONE OF OFF OF STAPLES. THIS IS KIND OF FORTUITOUS. THEN COUNTY ROAD 18. THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO NAME THOSE ROADS AFTER TWO OF OUR OUTSTANDING FORMER COMMISSIONERS WHO SERVED OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR AREA SO WELL. NAMING COUNTY ROAD 43 AFTER COMMISSIONER... FOR THE FORMER COMMISSIONER. I HAVE TALKED TO BOTH OF THEM. THEY WERE APPRECIATIVE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS PUT BEFORE THE COURT. AND SO MY MOTION WOULD BE TO RENAME THOSE TWO ROADS IN THAT CASTTY. CAPACITY. >> WHEN WOULD THAT TAKE PLACE? >> IT HAS TO COME AGAIN. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. THEN WE COME BACK IN THE SECOND ONE. ONCE THIS GETS PASSED, THEN I CAN ASK JUAN TO GO AHEAD AND ORDER THE SIGNAGE. AND SET UP THE CEREMONY. AND DO SOMETHING NICE. WE WON'T DO IT UNTIL AFTER WE PASS THE SECOND TIME. I CAN GET THE SIGNAGE GOING IF THE COURT PASSES IT TODAY. AND THEN SET AER IS HONEY... CEREMONY SO FAMILIES CAN BE THERE AND GIVE PROPER NOTICE. THE COURT CAN BE THERE AND DO THAT SOMETIME IN OCTOBER. >> OKAY. I SEE ITEMS 18-23. [04:25:02] WELL, WE HAVE DONE 22. AS BEING EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. >> 18 IS NOT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 18 IS AN OPEN SESSION. >> WELL, IT HAS TO DO WITH ATTORNEY-CLIENT INFORMATION. I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FIRST. SO I'LL GO TO ITEMS 24... >> I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION >> OKAY. WELL... >> I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT. I KNOW WHAT I WANT. >> OKAY. >> EVERYTHING IS ALREADY ON THE OPENING HERE. >> OKAY. I NEED TO STOP YOU RIGHT NOW. JENNY, I HAVE A RIGHT TO TAKE IT TO EXECKIVE IS SESSION. DON'T I? TO HAVE THE ATTORNEY JOIN US IN EXECKIVE IS SESSION? >> WELL, I MEAN... >> I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT IT SAYS HERE, DISCUSS... >> OPEN RECORDS. >> WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK OUT INTO OPEN SESSION. I STILL HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO... >> I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE PRUDENT AT LEAST TO GO AND HEAR WHATEVER ... IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS... >> YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE YOUR SAY SO IN OPEN SESSION. WE WILL TAKE THAT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT IS A LEGAL MATTER. DISCUSSING WITH OUR ATTORNEY. [24. Discuss and consider approving order designating Wednesday as the day of the week that Court will meet in regular term for fiscal year 2022-2023, pursuant to Section 81.005 of the Texas Local Government Code.] I'M GOING TO MOVE TO NUMBER 24. TO APPROVE WEDNESDAYS AS A DAY OF THE WEEK THAT WE WILL MEET PURSUANT TO SECTION 81.005 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. LY MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DO THAT. IS THERE A SECOND? TO HAVE WEDNESDAYS AT OUR COURT? BY THE WAY, SOME COURTS DO TUESDAYS. BECAUSE OF COUNSEL,... BECAUSE OF COUNCIL, WE DON'T. WEDNESDAYS IS WHAT WE NORMALLY DO. WILL YOU SECOND IT, THEN? COMMISSIONER CHESNEY? >> SURE. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON WEDNESDAYS AS BEING OUR OFFICIAL DAY? >> JUST A QUESTION. WE NORMALLY APPROVE THE CALENDAR FOR THE NEXT YEAR. WILL SOMEONE START GENERING THAT FOR US TO LOOK AT? >> YES. WE ACTUALLY... >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. >> WE ASKED. IT COMES AS A MATTER OF COURSE ... BETWEEN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. YES. BY NOVEMBER, WE SHOULD HAVE IT. >> THIS IS THE NEXT MEETING. NOTHING ELSE. >> NO. THIS IS FOR THE WHOLE FISCAL YEAR. >> THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS MEETING >> WE ARE NOT ON THAT ONE YET >> SHE WENT TO 24. WEDNESDAY WILL BE OUR NORMAL DAY >> OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT. AL THOSE IN FAVOR OF WEDNESDAY BEING OUR NORMAL DAY OF THE WEEK FOR REGULAR COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [25. Discuss and consider next Commissioners Court meeting date.] >> OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS DISCUSS THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING DATE. YOU WILL NOTICE ON THE REGULAR CALENDAR, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING UNTIL OCTOBER 12. I LOOKED AT CALENDARS AND WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO THIS AND ASK THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY RESERVE SEPTEMBER 26. THAT MEANS WE WOULD BE OFF NEXT WEEK AND THEN BACK ON AGAIN MAYBE JUST FOR HALF DAY RESERVATION. JUST IN CASE. NEXT MEETING IS 10-12, 22. >> THAT IS ABOUT A MONTH, I GUESS >> WILL THE PURPLE HEART CEREMONY BE... >> IN THE MORNING. OH, YEAH. HOW ABOUT THE AFTERNOON? >> FROM 11:00 TO 1:00. >> WHAT ARE WE DOING? WELL, WE WOULD BE MOST LIKELY PAYING BILLS AND TACKLING ANYTHING ELSE. FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A GRANT THAT WE NEED TO APPLY FOR THAT DIDN'T GET ON HERE. THIS TIME. >> OKAY. WHAT DAY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> I'M THINKING THE WEEK OF THE 26TH. MONDAY AFTERNOON. >> CAN WE LIMIT IT TO URGENT ONLY? I CAN'T TAKE WHOLE DAYS THAT WEEK. >> A FEW HOURS. HALF DAY. >> YES. >> 1:00 TO 15? 5:00? >> 1:00 TO 5:00 ON MONDAY? >> I WOULD DO IT IN THE MORNING. WE ALREADY HAVE THE PURPLE HEART CEMETERY DESIGNATION. >> CAN WE GO 2:00 TO 5:00? >> ALL RIGHT. 2:00 TO 5:00. >> THEN URGENT ITEMS ONLY. OKAY. >> MONDAY, 26. >> WHAT DAY IS THAT? >> THAT WAY GET LUNCH IN AS WELL. >> MONDAY, 26TH. >> ALL RIGHT. >> 2:00 TO 5:00 ON THE 26TH. THAT IS OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? >> OKAY. >> 2:00 TO 5:00 MEANS REALLY 5:00? >> REALLY. >> AS YOU KNOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THERE IS A MOTION FOR THAT. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. IS ANNA HERE WITH US? BY ZOOM? [1. Discuss and consider Amendment No.3 to Grant Award F12AF00951 RESTORE Nueces County, Texas: Observation Deck at I.B. Magee Beach Park extending termination date.] WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE GRANTS. [04:30:04] I'LL MOVE REAL QUICKLY THROUGH HERE. THIS IS A RESTORE GRANT. IT IS AN AMENDMENT. IT EXTENDS THE TERMINATION DATE ONLY. AN MARKS THE DO YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL? HOE OH, HERE SHE IS. I WAS LOOKING ON-LINE. PERFECT TIMING. WE ARE ON THE GRANT AWARD FOR THE RESTORE ACT? IT IS A DETERMINATION DATE. IS THAT RIGHT? >> CORRECT. I'M WORKING WITH SCOTT. HE IS GOING TO PROVIDE AN EXTENSION DATE SO WE CAN MOVE THAT ADDRESS WITH HIM. AND SUBMIT IT. HE WASN'T READY YET. >> OKAY. YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND... >> RECOMMEND, APPROVE AN EXTENSION FOR THE OBSERVATION DECK. >> OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'M SORRY, JUDGE. >> IT IS AN EXTENSION ON THE TERMINATION DATE. TO THE AGENCY. TESTING. TESTING. TEST. TEST. TEST [2. Discuss and consider agreement with Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs related to Colonia Self-Help Centers.] >> I RECOMMEND APPROVAL THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS IT CAN GO FOR A YEAR AND FINALLY COME THROUGH FOR THE CONTRACT FOR THE COLONIAL SPOT. THEY WILL BE SELF HELP CENTERS WE ALL APPROVED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021 >> COMMISSIONER THIS IS KIND OF NICE WAY TO CELEBRATE THIS FINALLY IMPROVING FORWARD, THIS WHAT A BILL THAT YOU START. >> YES. IT'S EXCITING REMINDER FOR THE COURT, FOR THE PUBLIC ONLY SEVEN SELF HELP IN AT THE STATE OF TEXAS PRIOR TO THE 2021 LEGISLATIVE SESSION THANKS TO THE REPRESENTATIVE AND SENATOR JOSE FOR PUSHING THIS ON THROUGH THE HOUSE AND U.S. SENATE. THIS ESTABLISHED COUNTY BEING THE EIGHTH COLONIAL SELF HELP CENTER ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE TEXAS HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, AND WE FALL WITHIN THE 150 MCMICHAEL BOUNDARY THAT ALLOWS FOR COLONIALS TO BE RECOGNIZED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS BUT WE ARECOLONIALS TO BE RECOG THE STATE OF TEXAS BUT WE AREFO IN THE STATE OF TEXAS BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY THE ONLY ONE THAT ARE NOT PART OF A BORDER COMMUNITY ON THE U.S. MEXICO BORDER, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AND WORK THANKS TO THE STAFF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER FOR WORK STARTED THAT COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN MISSED. SO THANKS FOR THAT AND TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HELPING US WITH THAT. SO THIS IS JUST TO GET US MOVING FORWARD, FIVE RECOGNIZED AREAS IN THE COUNTY, AND EDWARD HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, BALDWIN TODAY DOES AS WELL BUT IT'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE A FACILITY THAT HELPS COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE TOOLS AND HELPING INFECTIONS UP HOMES AND OTHER PARTS OF UNINCORPORATED AREAS IN NEZ COUNTY, SO THIS FUND WILLING HELP US BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY LIZE THAT. IT'S A GOOD ITEM ALL AROUND AND HOPEFULLY WE -- WE'LL AGREE TO THIS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TDHCA AND THE COLONIAL SELF HELP CENTERS TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. >> THIS WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REVIEWING EVERYTHING AND MAKING SURE IT'S ALL LINE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH: CORRECT? I DON'T MEAN TO SAY BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SOMEBODY TO SIGN OFF ON IT'S BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL. >> YES. >> WE ASK IN THE FUTURE ITEMS BE BROUGHT TO OUR OFFICE FOR A TIMELY REVIEW BEFORE PLACED ON THE COURT'S AGENDA, JUST AS A REMINDER >> I THINK IT'S NICE THING OUT OF COURTESY BUT WE CAN APPROVE SOMETHING, SEEMS BACKWARD BUT I APPRECIATE THE ASK AND I KNOW WE'LL ALWAYS TRY. >> BUT >> BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY. >> WELL, IT IS, I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> IT'S COURT'S POLICY THAT THE COURT VOTED ON, IT'S IN THERE. >> WE'VE HAD AT LEAST FIVE, SIX ITEMS WITH TO BACKUP, WE'RE JUST WINGING AND PRAYER, I GOT MINE IN LATE BUT I GOT IT IN. [04:35:01] THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. THIS HAS BEEN ALL DAY, I'M NOT PICKING, I AM SAYING THIS HAS BEEN ALL DAY I'VE SAID AT LEAST FIVE TIMES, NO BACKUP, NO BACKUP, NO BACKUP EVEN WALKED IN THIS AFTERNOON. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WE'RE REALLY -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AN ITEM GETS ON THE AGENDA THEN AT LEAST DOESN'T HAVE BACKUP AT SOME POINT BEFORE WE MEET. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME LIKE YOU KNOW, AT LEAST GET IT IN ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING. >> THE AGREEMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN >> THIS IS ATTACHED. AGREEMENT IS PROVIDED MAKING SURE. RIGHT. THAT THEY, THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS REVIEW THE AGREEMENT AS WELL. A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES I HAD 0 BEHIND MINE, THIS HAD SOMETHING. >> I THINK THE MOTION THERE AND FROM COMMISSIONER MODEST AND I'LL SECOND AND OBVIOUSLY IT WILL GET REVIEWED ON US, SO YOU'LL COORDINATED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING EYE. AND SINCE YOU'RE HERE, I'LL PASS THIS TO YOU, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS TO YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND MAGGIE WOULD YOU MIND? SOMETHING SHE NEEDS HAPPENS TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF ME, GO THROUGH THAT WITH HER, AND NOW, MICHAEL, WE WILL WORK SWIFTLY THROUGH HERE AND GET TO EXECUTIVE SESSION DALE I'LL ASK [1. Discuss and consider recommendation to reject all bids for IFB No. 3213-22 Flexible Base, Type A, Grade 1 and authorize the Purchasing Agent to rebid by publishing a new notice at a later date.] YOU TO HOLD, I KNOW WE HAVE A LAWYER HERE WAITING SO I'LL -- I'LL MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH BUT NOT TOO QUICKLY, MICHAEL, THROUGH PURCHASING FIRST IS AN IFV BID FOR GRADE ONE TYPE A FLEXIBLE BASE. >> WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO REJECT ALL BIDS, WE PUT THIS BID OUT. OWN RECEIVED ONE BID. SO WE'D LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT TO THE MARKET AGAIN. SEE IF THERE'S MORE INTEREST >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. MY DISCUSSION ONLY. >> DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WE NEED. >> WE HAVE ENOUGH TO DO THE WORK WE NEED AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH JUAN WE MAYO MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THIS THROUGH A COOPERATIVE. >> THANK YOU, MICHAEL PANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PSIGNIFY BOY [2. Discuss and consider authorizing execution of Supplemental Agreement No. 1 with Lockwood, Andrews & Newnam, Inc. for RFP No. 3189-22 for Hazard Mitigation Action Plan Consulting Services.] SAYING AYE. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL NUMBER ONE SO THAT GO AHEAD. >> THIS IS FOR THE H MAP CONSULTING SERVICES TO REPLACE THE PORT WITH CITY OF DRISCOLL, THE PORT WILL PERFORM A SEPARATE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN AND ALSO TO EXTEND THE PROJECT CLOSE-OUT WORK DATE FROM MARCH, 2023 TO MAY, 2023 WHICH IS A COUPLE OF MONTHS THERE, NO ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THIS CHANGE, AND NO CHANGE TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT EXPIRATION DATE OF SEPTEMBER 30, 2023. >> IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENT? I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND, NO COST THIS IS STEAKING THE PORT OUT. YOU'LL REMEMBER DANIELLE CAME CONTINUE EXPLAINED WHY THEY WILL DO THEIR OWN AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE COST BUT WE'LL INSERT THE CITY OF DRISCOLL, THAT WAY, THEY'RE INCLUDED, AND THEN THAT'S THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS AND THE REASON THE PORT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SAN PAT PARTICIPATE IN THEIRS AS WELL, THEY REPRESENT BOTH JURISDICTIONS. >> KATY, ISD, THAT'S THE ONLY ISD INCLUDED ON THIS PLAN? >> I BELIEVE SO COMMISSIONER BECAUSE OF THE UNINCORPORATED NATURE, WE LOOK TO THE SUPERINTENDENT THERE, MUCH LIKE WE DO FOR MAYORS FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PURPOSES, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S STYLED THAT WAY. >> WHY WASN'T THE CITY OF DRISCOLL? >> THE CITY OF DRISCOLL BEING ADDED BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOMEONE ON WHEN THE PORT CAME OFF. >> SO THEY WILL BE ON >> THEY WILL BE ON. >> AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THERE WERE SOME DIRECTS LIKE DRAINAGE DISTRICT, WATER DISTRICTS, THERE IS A SOLUTION FOR THEM THROUGH ANOTHER MEANS BUT I CANNOT REMEMBER, MICHAEL, I HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY NOTES, BUT AT THIS TIME, IT'S JUST -- IT'S THE DIFFERENCE IS ONE OFF, ONE ON. >> THAT'S IT. >> THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. [3. Discuss and consider authorizing a sole source purchase agreement with Thomson Reuters for HighQ for office management software for County Attorney’s office.] [4. Discuss and consider conditional selection for RFP No. 3193-22 Nueces County Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) System and Replacement of Timeclocks.] ALL RIGHT AND NOW, WE GOT A DISCUSS AND CONSIDER MICHAEL FOR THE SOUL SOURCE AGREEMENT WITH THOMPSON REUTERS FOR HIGH Q OFFICE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. >> THE COURT APPROVED FUNDING [04:40:02] FOR THIS PROJECT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH THE FOLKS AT HIGH Q AND COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WHAT WE ATTACHED IS MONETARILY THE AGREEMENT. HOWEVER, THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL LUNCH THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD PROVIDED TO HIGH Q, WHICH RELATED TO REQUIRED LUNCH THAT WE HAVE TO REFERENCE TO CERTAIN CF R COMPLIANCE DOCUMENTS, I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE RECEIVED WELL BY THE LEGAL FOLKS AT HIGH Q BUT THEY GOT IT YESTERDAY, THEY WILL NEED TIME TO COME BACK AND SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT LUNCH BUT MONETARY LUNCH, NO DISCUSSION ON THAT, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON THE AMOUNT. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COURT APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WHEN WE GET THAT CONFIRMATION ON THOSE ADDITIONAL TERMS. >> CAN WE NOT TABLE THIS TILL WE GET THE CONFIRMATION? >> THIS ONE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, COMMISSIONER. WHEREAS THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED. IN HIS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN ACTIVE GIVEN, THERE'S NO CHALLENGE AS FAR AS THE AMOUNTS, WHAT WE DID WAS WE ADDED THE CFR LUNCH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FUNDING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE MUST INCLUDE, AND SO THEY ACKNOWLEDGED RECEIPT OF THAT AND SAID THEY WOULD GET IT BACK TO US SHORTLY. IT'S SOMETHING -- THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. >> MAKE THE MOTION THEN SUBJECT TO APPROVE. >> DO WE KNOW THE TIMELINE FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, WILL IT BE VALUABLE HOPEFULLY BY YOU BY THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. >> SHOULD BE BEFORE THE BEGINNING, EVEN. >> WHAT WAS THE FUNDING SOURCE. >> ARPA >> THIS IS A -- >> WE HAD ALREADY DONE THE FUNDING. >> IF YOU LOOK IN THE DISCUSSIONS SECTION I'VE DETAILED OUT WHERE THE FUNDS ARE COMING IN FOR EACH OF THE FIVE YEARS OF THE CONTRACT AND IN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS IT'S 100% ARE PUT A, AND 5, 26, 27, FIRST IS 13 RICK $668.36 AND THE REMAINING WILL COME OUT OF 11:30 GENERAL FUNDS. AND THIS IS THE ONE -- THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES WE JUMP OFF THE CLIFF BUT WAIT FIVE YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PICK IT UP AFTER THAT?UPAFTER THAT? >> I'VE GOT THE MOTION TO APPROVE SECONDED BY COMMISSION GONZALES, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS SOFTWARE? THANKS TO DARRELL SITTING HERE HE HAS TO REVIEW THE SOFTWARES AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE COUNTY AND THE IMPLEMENTATION. KIND OF EXCITING BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS THE MODERATION FOR MANY OFFICES. KEEP US POSTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE >> THE LAST ONE WE HAVE IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CONDITIONAL SELECTION FOR RP 3193-22 WHICH IS THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SYSTEM, I HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO GIVE THE COURT FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AND THEN I KNOW WE'LL HAVE COMMENTS FROM IDA AND DALE REGARDING THE FUNDING BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT HAD IN UP LAST TIME. LET ME PASS OUT THE ITEMS. THIS WAS THE LAST ONE WE DID WITH NO FUNDING SOURCE? THIS IS WHAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT FUNDING SOURCE WOULD BE UNTIL YOU KNEW THE TOTAL. [04:45:01] >> I'LL REMIND THE COURT THAT THE SELECTION COMMITTEE WAS DAHLER WOOD IIDA AND MYSELF, COUNTY AUDITOR PURCHASING AGENT, COURT ADMINISTRATION MANAGER, WE REVIEWED THE PROPOSALS THAT CAME IN AND OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM COMMITTEE WAS DAYLIGHT SOLUTION WHICH IS THE WORKDAY SOLUTION, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. THE ADDITION ON THE PRICING MODEL THAT HAS BEEN ADDED IN IS YELLOW. SHOWING THE AMOUNTS WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR A VARIETY SYSTEMS TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THIS NEW ERP SYSTEM WOULD CONSOLIDATE TOGETHER IN ONE SOLUTION. AND DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE VENDOR THAT HAD THE LOW PRICE VERSUS THE VENDOR THAT HAS THE WORKED SOLUTION THAT WE, AS A GROUP LIKED, IS THAT IT, NOT ONLY COMBINES ALL OF THE FEATURES BUT ALSO HAS A CLOUD SOLUTION AND WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS BREAK OUT SO YOU CAN SEE ON A YEAR YEAR BASIS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR THE CURRENT SYSTEM, WHICH IS GOING END LIFE AND WE WOULD EITHER HAVE TO UPGRADE THAT SYSTEM AT ADDITIONAL COST, SO THE COST THAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW WOULD BE HIGHER IN THAT UPGRADE MODEL, AND AND THE, AND THAT BRINGS US CLOSER TO WHERE THE COSTS ARE FOR THE RECOMMENDED CHOICE. THE CHOICE THAT WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING, AS YOU CAN SEE IS BELOW THE VALUE OF THE COST WHAT OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE SYSTEMS TODAY. ONLY WAY I KNOW HOW TO GEL THIS, LET'S JUST SAY THE COUNTY HAS AN OLD CAR AND THE TRANSMISSION IS ABOUT TO GO OUT ON IT. DO WE WANT TO BUY ANOTHER USED CAR WITH A USED TRANSMISSION IN IT? OR DO WE WANT TO BUY A NEW CAR THAT HAS A WARRANTY WITH IT WITH GUARANTEE OF TIME. >> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NO WARRANTY ON THIS ONE? USING YOUR ANALOGY, THAT'S A PRETTY STRONG ANALOGY. THERAPY WARRANT TEA. >> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE WARRANT TEA INFORMATION WE WERE GIVEN FROM WORKDAY. >> OUR UP TIME FOR WORKDAY BECAUSE THE -- THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DATA CENTER, GUARANTEEING US 99% WORK-UP TIME. >> I'M ASKING TYLER IS THERE A WARRANTY ON THAT? HE JUST SAID THERE ISN'T. >> I DIDN'T SAY THERE'S NO WARNTY PERIOD. >> YOU JUST DID SAY THAT. >> BUT THE WARRANTY WAS ON THE GUARANTEED UP TIME. >> YOU JUST SAID IT'S LIKE BUYING A USED CAR WITH NO WARRANTY, THAT'S THENAL SCARY YOU USED, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT BACK. >> I'LL BACKTRACK THAT. OVERSTATED, SORRY. COME ON BE MAN. NOW YOU CAN DO IT. >> SO WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS WE HAVE A GUARANTEED UP TIME WITH WORKDAY THAT WE WERE NOT GIVEN WITH THE OTHER OPTION, WE ALSO HAVE CLOUD BASED COMPUTING, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION WITH THE OTHER VENDOR. PART OF THIS BID WAS RELATED TO TIME CLOCK SYSTEMS. >> HOW MUCH OF THE BID? WHAT PERCENTAGE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ME THE NUMBER, JUST THE PERCENTAGE. THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. >> THE TIME CLOCKS IS GOING TO BE I THINK NOMINAL COMPARED TO THE WHOLE THING, IT'S NOT LARGE, THAT'S NOT THE DEAL BREAKER IS THE COST OF THE TIME COST. I THINK IT'S THE FEATURES OF THE TIME CLOCK SYSTEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. DALE DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE TIME CLOCK. >> THE ISSUE WE HAVE NOW, ROUGHLY ABOUT 55 TIME CLOCKS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY, AND THESE ALL NEED TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE THE, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT $4,000 A PIECE, SO 250 TO $300,000 FOR REPLACING ALL TIME CLOCKS THEN YOU HAVE TO COORDINATED WITH THE SYSTEM WE'RE USING. ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO THAT. SO DIRECTLY ABOUT HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE TIME CLOCKS THAT WE HAVE. >> DARRYL HAS SOME WORDS. >> LET ME MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS, THE COMMITTEE'S BELIEF IS THAT THIS THE ONE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IS TWO TIMES AS GOOD AS THE OTHER ONE SINCE IT'S TWO TIMES THE PRICE? THINK REAL HARD ABOUT HOW YOU ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I'M HOLDING YOU TO IT. TWO TIMES AS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S TWO TIMES THE PRICE, YOU'RE ASKING US TO COME IN HERE AND CONSIDER SOME SOFTWARE THAT'S [04:50:05] DOUBLE AND WE'RE NOT TALKING DOUBLE IN THE THOUSANDS, FOLKS, DOUBLE IN THE MILLIONS OVER TEN YEARS, ANSWER THAT QUESTION. AND TELL ME WHAT THE ANSWER IS >> IF I COME IN FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT AT THE RECOMMENDED SOLUTION IS AN APPLICATION THAT WAS DEVELOPMENT BEGAN IN 2005, IT WAS IN THE MILLENNIUM >> IS IT TWO TIMES BETTER, DARRYL. >> I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE AT LEAST THAT >> TELL ME WHY. >> THE PERSPECTIVE FULL FUNCTIONALITY, THE IMPLEMENTATION METHOD, THE TIMELINE WILL BE DONE IN AND FOR ONE IT'S A SINGLE TIMELINE, AND NOT TWO TIMELINES, WHICH SHOWS YOU THAT IF THERE'S A DOUBLE TIMELINE OR MORE THAN ONE TIMELINE, THAT MEANS YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING MORE THAN ONE >> THIS IS ERP WHICH GOES ACROSS ALL FUNCTIONALITY YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE IN A FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS APPLICATION. YOU WANT SAMELESS FUNCTIONALITY TO FLOW THROUGHOUT THE SEPARATE MODULES OF THIS, AND THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH AN APPLICATION THAT WAS DEVELOPED FROM ONE SINGLE DEVELOPMENT PLATFORM AND OPTIMIZE FOR RUNNING IN THE CLOUD AND THIS CLOUD IS NOT HANDED OFF. IT'S ACTUALLY AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE VENDOR PROVIDING THE SERVICE. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE A FULLY INTEGRALED APPLICATION WITH THE SEEM LESSNESS WHICH HAPPENED IN OTHER ERP APPLICATIONS WHERE YOU'VE HAD ACQUISITIONS TAKE PLACE OVER TIME AND THESE ACCUSATIONS WERE PIECES OF ERP SYSTEM DEVELOPED STARTING WAY BEFORE THIS AND PUT TOGETHER TO CREATE CREATE KIND OF A HODGE-PODGE WE'RE KIND OF DEALING WITH NOW, SO THE ONLY INTEGRATION IS THEY ALL ACCESS SAME DATABASE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE INTEGRATED MODULES WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO THIS HODGE-PODGE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH HOW LONG HAS THAT SYSTEM LASTED US >> 30 YEARS. >> PRETTY GOOD HODGE-PODGE. >> IT'S NOT A GOOD SYSTEM AT ALL. >> IT'S WILL HAVE THEED FOR 30 YEARS AND HADN'T CRASHED >> BUT YOU HAVE THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO AUTOMATE A LOT MORE THINGS, IT WILL LIFT YOUR. >> THEY OUGHT TO BE LACE IT WITH GOLD FOR THAT AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE IN PRICES. >> WOULD YOU MIND FINISHING THAT SENTENCE I'M INTERESTED YOU SAID WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE FUNCTIONALITY WITH THIS AND THEN SOMETHING. >> IN THAT WE WILL BE WILL THE AUTOMATE AND THE FLOW OF YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU DO SOMETHING IN ONE MODULE IT CAN AFFECT THE OTHER MODULES WITH THE DATE AND INFORMATION YOU'RE ENTERING, SO YOU NEVER HAVE TO REPEAT THINGS, JUST UP'S WHOLE EFFICIENCY ACROSS ALL OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS THAT USES THE SYSTEM, WHICH IS REALLY EVERY DEPARTMENT YOU HAVE. >> IT WILL SAVE HUMAN TIME, HUMAN CAPITOL >> YES. YES, IT WILL SAVE THAT AND PROBLEM WITH THE EXISTING SYSTEM AND WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH HERE IS THAT IS THE ANALYTICS OF IT. THE I DON'T HAVE FUN GOING THROUGH THE SYSTEM WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. AND I SEE THE SAME CONCERNS WITH NOT GOING INTO A FULL INTEGRATED SYSTEM THAT HAS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT. WHEN YOU WATCH DEMOS YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE ONE PERSON DOING THE DEMO TO A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT OUR REAL CONCERN IS WHATEVER WE GO WITH, WE'LL HAVE 100 TO 200, HOWEVER MANY EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE COUNTY ACCESSING ALL FUNCTIONALITY WITH THIS THIS APPLICATION STIMULUSLY. NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE, THE SYSTEM DOES NOT OPTIMIZE FOR THE CLOUD AND YOU WANT IT IN CLOUD LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF THE NOTORIETY WITH IT AND THE PIECES YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAIN WHICH IS THE HARDWARE AND SUCH IT'S RUNNING ON, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SO YOU DEFINITELY WANT IT IN THE CLOUD, BUT THE TECHNICAL TERM I'LL USE IS CALLED IN MEMORY, WHICH IS A HUGE THING, IN FACT, THIS IS ALL ONE APPLICATION AND THAT IT OPERATES IN MEMORY, WHICH MEANS THAT A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ALREADY READY TO RUN OUT THERE. THAT'S WHERE THE OPTIMIZATION COMES FROM, IF YOU WANT ME TO GET INTO A DEEP DISCUSS ON THAT, I'M JUST SPEAKING HERE ON HOW IT VIEWS THIS AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS PURELY TECHNICAL AND THAT WHAT I CAN SEE HAPPENING HERE YOU NEED MY SUPPORT. [04:55:18] YOU'LL GEL THE FULL INVOLVEMENT BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU GUARANTEES LIKE THE OTHER ONE, LOOKING AT REFERENCES AND THINGS LIKE THIS, I STILL WOULD RECOMMEND THE SOLUTION. >> TO HELP US PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, I'M GLAD WE TOOK THE TIME WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE PRICE AS A FACTOR, CHOICE IS OBVIOUS. WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY TO THE COURT IS THAT PRICE IS NOT THE STORY, THE STORY IS THE AUTOMATION AND FUNCTIONALITY AND BREADTH OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING, THEREFORE, IF IT'S JUST APPLES TO APPLES, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE BASED ON THE ECONOMICS. BUT IN THIS CASE, THE ECONOMICS HAVE A COMPLETELY -- WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE FUNCTIONAL I TO IS, WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE GROUND, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DEPLOY IMMEDIATELY AND THAT'S THE PREFER NOT TO DISPARAGE ANY COMPANY, AAND B, COMPANY A MIGHT HAVE A VERY LOW PRICE TAG BUTS THAT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH WHAT THIS COUNTY NEEDS, I'M TRYING TO SAY IT IN A WAY THAT HELPS ME BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT SAID NO, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE DOUBLE IF THAT'S APPLES TO APPLES, THAT'S WHY WE ASKED YOU TO COME BACK, BRIDGE, IT OUT TILL THE TEN, AND I'M GLAD WE DID THAT, BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, WHEN WE CAME OUT TEN, WE WERE STILL 2-1 RATIO, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YES, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT'S A 2-1 RATIO BUT IT'S THE ENTIRE WAY WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SYSTEM THAT GETS YOU THAT DOUBLE THE VALUE. AND THAT COMPANY ADOESN'T GET US ALL THAT WE NEED IN MANY WAYS. I WISH I HAD MORE, WE ALSO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE COMPANY BWHO HAS FUNCTIONALITY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE SOME DISCUSSION OR DIALOGUE IN CASE YOU WANT TO AS THEY SAY THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF TIMES IN LIFE WHERE YOU GET PERMISSION TO PROMOTE AND SELL AND THIS IS ONE, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE PRODUCT ITSELF AS TO THE PARTICULAR PIECE IN SUPPORT OF THE PRODUCT >> JUDGE, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE. >> I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT BUT I THINK THAT I NEEDED TO PROVIDE YOU SOME INFORMATION, I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THE BAD NEWS IN A SECOND. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. >> THERE'S WORSE NEWS >> THERE'S WORSE, SORRY, IT'S NEWS, LET'S NOT CALL IT ANYTHING BUT NEWS. BUT MICHAEL, THE IDEA HERE IS TO MAKE A SELECTION AND THEN IF WE CAN'T PERFORM WE'RE GIVING NOTICE NOW BECAUSE WENT KNOW THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS NEEDED. WE DON'T HAVE THE DOLLARS TODAY TO COMMIT TO THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY, THE COURT GETS TO MAKE THAT DECISION AS TO HOW WE WOULD PURSUE THAT. THIS BID WOULD BE GOOD FOR 60 DAYS? 30 DAYS? I'M ASKING NOT TELLING HERE. >> I BELIEVE WE ASKED FOR 60. >> THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF REMEMBER. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT IT'S A CONDITIONAL SELECTION, I'VE GOT SOMEBODY ON -- >> LISA O'CONNOR WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BUT WANTS TO STEP OUT WHERE QUIETER >> LET ME KNOW WHEN SHE'S BACK. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS -- OK? HI, LISA, WE'LL RECOGNIZE YOU. GO AHEAD. >> I'M SORRY, AND JUST BECAUSE I'M IN THE BUSINESS IN DEALS WITH SOFTWARE HAS A LOT TO DO WITH MY BACKGROUND. CLOUD BASE INCORPORATES EVERYTHING AND IT'S INCLUSIVE, SO GENERALLY IT'S PRICED HIGHER. WHAT I WAS SAYING IN THE CHAT IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T ACCOUNT FOR THE MANUAL PROCESSES AND TASKS OCCURRING TODAY AND WHAT'S THAT COSTING AS FAR AS SOMEONE'S HOURLY WAGE AND HOW LONG IT'S TAKING THEM TO PROCESS WHATEVER DOCUMENTS OR YOU KNOW, PROCESS THEIR GOING THROUGH, AND YOU HAVE TO -- THAT'S WHY COMPANIES HELP WITH THAT ASSESSMENT WHEN WE DO THESE TYPE OF SOLUTIONS [05:00:02] I'M NOT TRYING TO BE IN THAT ARENA BECAUSE I DON'T SELL ERP I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU INSIGHT WHAT TO LOOK FOR WHEN YOU'RE MAKING COMPARISONS, MAYBE DARRYL IS GO BACK AND ASK THE VENDORS, TYPICALLY YOU CAN PROCESS 15 INVOICES DAY MANUALLY. WE CAN UP THAT TO 100 INVOICES A DAY BY AUTOMATING, I'M SURE THIS SOFTWARE IS SIMILAR TO THAT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ADD THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT THE LOWER PRICE DOESN'T ALWAYS FACTOR IN IS THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AND YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE BUDGET. LET'S SAY YOU TAKE OPENER. NOT ONLY IS IT THE MAINTENANCE YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A SERVER AND UPDATES AND SOMEBODY THAT HAS TO DO IT UPDATES EITHER WITH THAT COMPANY PARTNER OR THEIR OWN AND THAT'S, AGAIN, AN HOURLY WAGE AND HOW MUCH TIME IT'S TAKING AND DARRYL'S EXPERIENCED WITH THESE THINGS, SO HE'S AWARE OF THEM, BUT TO, DISCUSS IT AND HAVE THE HARD NUMBERS IT TAKE AN ANALYSIS, WHICH I WOULD THINKS THE VENDOR WOULD DO OR HAVE CASE STUDIES THAT SHOW THIS AND I WOULD TRY TO HAVE THOSE AND DO THE COMPARISON WITH THAT AS WELL. AND THAT'S JUST MY INPUT FROM A NEUTRAL PERSPECTIVE. >> GOOD INPUT. LISA, THANK YOU FOR OFFERING THAT. SO OUT OF CLARITY THE CLOUD PIECE OF IT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS, DARRYL BROUGHT THAT TOP. DARRYL CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT COMPANY A IS NOT A CLOUD BASED SOLUTION. >> NO, I CANNOT. THE OTHER SOLUTION USES THE AWS CLOUD, THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN AND IN SOME CASES, THEY -- THEY ALLOW ON PREMISE IN YOUR OWN DATA CENTER AND IN SOME CASES THEY DO NOT. I DO NOT THINK THEY WOULD ALLOW THAT HERE, WHAT YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THERE IS THAT WHEN IT GOES INTO AWS IT'S NOT THE SAME AS SOMETHING LIKE WORKDAY THAT'S USING THEIR OWN CLOUDS THAT,S THAT COMPLIANT WITH ALL THE SECURITY AND WITH AWS, YOU ONLY GET SO MUCH FROM THOSE CLOUD PROVIDERS WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY IF YOU'LL LET THEM TOTALLY MANAGE IT. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE, IF WITH AWS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE NOOPTHS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IF YOU HAVE ANY DIFFICULT WITH PERFORMANCE OR THINGS NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY, YOU COULD BE IN A BIND WHERE IT MAY OR MAY NOT GET RESOLVED. THE OTHER IS SO STRAIGHTFORWARD I JUST DON'T FORESEE ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF PROBLEMS. >> I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE DISTINCTIONS THAT YOU'RE REMARKING ON. OK. SO THE RECOMMENDATION BOY THE COMMITTEE IS THAT SELECTS R SELECTION FOR RFP 3113-22 FOR THE ERP THAT STAND FOR THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SYSTEM FOR THE AUDITOR AND REPLACEMENT OF TIME CLOCKS BE AWARDED TO -- IS IT PRONOUNCED ALIGHT >> ALIGHT >> AND WORKDAY, AND SO AGAIN, CONDITIONAL SELECTION BECAUSE, OF COURSE, MICHAEL WOULD HAVE TO >> WHAT THAT WOULD -- JUST TO REMIND THE COURT WHEN WE DO CONDITIONAL SELECTION IT ALLOWS ME TO START CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT COMPANY, AND BEGIN NEGOTIATING WITH THOSE CONTRACT TERMS MIGHT LOOK LIKE. GET OUR BEST AND FINAL TAILORING OF ALL THE NEEDS AND COME BACK TO COURT WITH WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE AFTER THE BENEFIT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. >> AND THEN YOU WANT -- ARE YOU READY FOR THE NEWS? >> SURE. >> SO WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THERESA FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SORT OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT HEY, WHAT MONEY IS OUT THERE THAT'S NOT ALLOCATED. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT. >> YES, I DO. >> WE CHECKED WITH OUR BOND COUNCIL AND FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND UNFORTUNATELY, CO21S ARE NOT, N-O-T, APPLICABLE HERE FOR THE ERP SOFTWARE. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAD DONE A LOT OF GOOD WORK AND RESHUFFLED THE DECK TO SEE WHERE WE COULD REALLOCATE DOLLARS, BUT THAT WON'T WORK. HAS BEEN IN CONTACT AND IS PREPARED AT THE NEXT COURT TO COME AND GIVE US SOME OPTIONS. TO PROVIDE A PLAN. >> I HEARD THAT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE >> AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A [05:05:01] PLAN THAT'S AVAILABLE YOU KNOW, TO HE IS BUT I THINK OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS BEST SUITED TO COME IN AND YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AND I WAS HOPING GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE TIMING WE COULD USE THE 26TH FOR HIM TO DO, YOU KNOW, HE COULD GET IT TO US QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT HEARING IT THE FIRST TIME. HE COULD DO PUBLIC QUICKLY ON THE 26TH >> UNDER THE CONDITIONAL SELECTION OPTION, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONABLE ALLEGATION WITH THE COUNTY THAT THERE I DON'T WOULD BE A CONTRACT. IN ORDER TO FACILITATE DISCUSSIONS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME FOR THE COURT TO AT LEAST MAKE A CONDITIONAL SELECTION >> I UNDERSTAND. >> SO WE COULD HAVE >> UNDERSTOOD. SO GUYS, IS THERE A MOTION THEN FOR SUCH CONDITIONAL SELECTION BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS WE'VE HEARD HERE TODAY? >> NO LEAP OF FAITH? HARD TO SPEND DOLLARS, I'LL ASK A QUESTION AND MAKE THE MOTION BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHEN I ASK THE QUESTION AND GET THE ANSWER, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE THAT LEADERSHIP REQUIRES ACTION. DALE, THIS IS WE'VE ALREADY HEARD A 30-YEAR-OLD SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE RUNNING. WHAT ARE THE REPERCUSSIONS TO NOT HAVING A REPLACEMENT IN A VERY SHORT ORDER? >> AS MICHAEL WAS SAYING, WE HAVE AN END OF LIFE FOR CURRENT ONES WE'RE WORKING WITH, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING THOSE SERVERS WITH NEWER SERVERS WITH A NEWER VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE AND THE VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE IS AN ACTIVATED AND DIFFICULT THAT SOME OF THE LARGEST COMPANIES THEY'VE HAD HAVE LEFT BUT BY MIGRATING OVER THE NEW SYSTEM, IT WILL COST US AT LEAST HALF A MILLION. WHAT USED TO TAKE US FIVE STEPS WILL TAKE US 15. >> WORRY AT END OF LIFE >> AT THE MOMENT, YES. >> WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE, GIVEN, A, WE SOMEWHAT HAVE GUARDRAILS HERE, WE'RE PROTECTED THAT WE HAVE NOT MADE A FINAL NEGOTIATED CONTRACT HAS NOT COME FORM WE STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IT ALLOW MICHAEL IN PROCUREMENT TO DO HIS JOB AND GIVES US THE TIME TO BRING NOE BACK IN TWO WEEKS, IS THERE A SECOND? AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE AND PROVIDE THE SELECTION TO WORK-DAY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MODEST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANYBODY. >> I GOT TO TELL YOU, I'M SUPER UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS. WITH ALL DUE SPEAK TO YOU KNOW, TO DARRYL, I THINK WE SHOULD HIRE SOME OUTSIDE CONSULTANT OR SOMETHING TO REALLY LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND TAKE THEM APART PIECE BY PIECE, BECAUSE EVEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IDA KNOWS ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE IS ON THE COMMITTEE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MICHAEL KNOWS ABOUT IT. SO WE'RE MAKING A POTENTIAL 8 MILLION DOLLARS DECISION BASED ON ONE PERSON, NO OFFENSE, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M -- I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS >> I UNDERSTAND BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE NOT DOING THAT TODAY, THE ACTION TODAY IS JUST TO. >> WE WERE CONDITIONALLY DOING IT. >> WE'RE SELECTING -- RIGHT, WE'RE SELECTING THE >> THE 8 MILLION DOLLARS VERSION VERSUS THE 4 MILLION DOLLARS >> AGAIN, THE 4 MILLION DOLLARS VERSION IS NOT THE VERSION THE COUNTY NEEDS. IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING I'M GOING TO BUY. >> I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY AND WE BROUGHT ALL OUR OWN EXPERT WHATEVER WE HAD TO THE TABLE, WE DID CHECK THE REFERENCES AND WE'VE SEEN SOME ISSUES COME UP WITH THE LOWER PRICE OPTION THAT CAUSED US ENOUGH CONCERN THAT WE DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING THAT AS ONE OF OUR OPTIONS. SO WE'RE COMING TO YOU TELLING YOU THAT THE ONE THAT WE REALLY FEEL WILL PROVIDE COUNTY WITH THE GREATEST VALUE OVER THE TEN BE YEAR PERIOD GOING FORWARD AND WE'RE THE 15TH LARGEST COUNTY IN THE STATE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE BUYING SUBSTANDARD EQUIPMENT I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE. >> WHAT EXPERTISE DO YOU HAVE IN IT? TELL ME WHAT EXPERT YOU HAVE IN IT? WHAT EXPERIENCE DOES ADA HAVE IN IT. >> I'VE BEEN THROUGH A CONVERSION BEFORE IN THE MICROPROCESSING COMPANY, A MD IN AUSTIN, TEXAS AND WENT THROUGH [05:10:03] THIS PROCESS, TOOK US TWO YEARS TO DO AN ZAP CONVERSION AND DETAIL WHAT IT TAKES TO CONVERT FROM ONE SOFTWARE SYSTEM TO ANOTHER. THIS PROCESS WILL BE AN 18 MONTH PROCESS. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING, WHAT IS YOUR EXPERTS IN BEING ABLE TO ANALYZE THE TWO SYSTEMS? CONVERSIONS TAKE A LONG TIME. >> I HAVE TO RESTRICT IT TO THE AREAS THAT I TOUCH, WHICH IS THE PURCHASING SIDES, THE PO SYSTEM, INVOICING AND ALL THE REPORTING THAT WE DO FOR MEDICAL BILLING IS IN HERE, I INTERACT WITH EVERY WEEK, I'M IN AND OUT OF THE SYSTEM EVERY DAY, AT NIGHT APPROVING PO'S IN THE SYSTEM, INVOICES AS THEY COME THROUGH. >> I'M SAYING WHAT EXPERTISE, THIS IS A SPECIALIZED DEAL. WHAT EXPERTISE DO YOU HAVE OTHER THAN BEING IN THE SYSTEM THAT EVERY APARTMENT HEAD DOES EXACTLY SOME OF THE STUFF YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE PO'S AND -- YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU CAN ANALYZE BASED ON YOUR NORTHEASTERN GEORGIA OR DALE'S NORTHEASTERN GEORGIA OR IDA'S NORTHEASTERN GEORGIA THAT YOU ALL KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT YOU CAN MAKE A TECHNICAL RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WITHOUT OUTSIDE EXPERTISE TO COME IN AND DO THIS WHICH IS WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS WE HIRE SOMEBODY LIKE AN IT COMPANY TO COME IN AND NAME R ANALYZE THESE THINGS, THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S AN IDEA I'M AGAINST GETTING. I'M TELLING YOU WE BROUGHT THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAD LIKE WE ALWAYS DO TO THESE THINGS, AND BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING WHAT OUR INTERACTION IS THIS IS THE POSITION YOUR COUNTY AUDITOR, IT DIRECTOR, PURCHASING AGENT AND IDA WAS THE BEST OPTION >> THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE, THE COURT CAN DECIDE TO GO WITH IT OR NOT BUT IT WON'T CHANGE THE RECOMMENDING WE HAVE. >> THERE'S A FOUR POINT DIFFERENCE IN THE SCORING. SO 99 FOR ONE AND 95 THE OTHER AND A 4 MILLION DOLLAR DIFFERENCE, THAT'S PRETTY BIG ASK TO MAKE TO SOMEONE TO SPEND 4 MILLION EXTRA BUCKS FOR A FOUR POINT SPREAD >> COMMISSIONER I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I DON'T WORK SOLO, I'VE CONSULTED. I USE A, APRETTY HEFTY GOALIBLE CONSULTING COMPANY TOTALLY UNBIAS BECAUSE THEY DON'T SELL PRODUCTS. >> DO YOU HAVE A REPORT FROM THEM. >> I CAN GET ONE. I ACTUALLY HAVE BLUE PROGESTIN FROM THEM ON IMPLEMENTING AN ERP SYSTEM THAT'S MORE DETAIL THAN THE SPECS DID >> I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PART OF THE BACKUP CONSIDERING YOU KNOW HOW CONTROVERSIAL THIS WAS WHEN WE DID THIS BEFORE. >> WOULD YOU LIKE, WE CAN HAVE HIM BRING THAT BACK, WHAT WE CAN DO IS HOLD ON THIS, OK, FOR TILL THE 26TH, BUT I'D LOVE YOU -- BECAUSE THOSE REPORTS ARE PROBABLY THOROUGH, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE TO US YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS YOU CAN. AND WE WILL PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA ON THE 26TH AND THAT WILL GIVE MORE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN I JOIN WITH YOU ON THE CONCERN OF THE PRICE, BUT AGAIN, IF IT'S LIKE AN ASPHALT ROAD VERSUS CONCRETE, THEY BOTH GET THE CARS THERE BUT ONE WILL HAVE A LONGER DURATION, A BETTER MAINTENANCE AND BETTER UTILITY LONG-TERM, THAT'S WHAT -- I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON OUR CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER, I HEAR YOU WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE BUT LOOK, BY GOOD FORTUNE HE'S GOT ONE, LET'S HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE COMMISSIONER CHESNEE. >> CAN YOU ALSO MAKE SURE >> MOTION A SECOND. >> I CAN'T MAKE IT YET I DON'T WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION. >> GO AHEAD. >> LET ME JUST FINISH. SO IN THIS REPORT, THEY WILL ANALYZE ALL THREE OF THESE SYSTEMS, THE TWO, THEY WILL ANALYZE POINT TO POINT THE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND YOU CAN GET THAT TO US QUICKLY BECAUSE I'LL TAKE THAT TO WHO I USE FOR IT AND TELL ME WHAT POKED THE HOLES IN IT BUT I NEED TIME TO DO THAT THE 26 WAS JUST GOING TO BE FOR EMERGENCIES, I DON'T WANT TO LOAD THIS AGENDA BACK UP. >> OK, THEN I GUESS -- IT COULD WAIT UNTIL. >> PLEASE. >> THE 12TH BUT I NEED TO DOUBLE-CHECK WITH MICHAEL THAT THAT'S OK FOR THE BID PROCESS. >> WE STILL DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE, WE NEED MORE TIME ON THAT ANYWAY. I DON'T LIKE HIM APPROVING THINGS CONDITIONALLY WHETHER I LIKE THEM OR NOT WHEN THERE'S NO FUNDING SOURCE, WHEN I'M BACK TO UNCOMFORTABLE EVEN MAKING A CONTINGENT MOTION, PLUS MY CONCERN OVER THE PRICE, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE ON MORE THAN ONE FRONT ON PASSING ANYTHING TODAY. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR OFFER THE TABLE I'LL TAKE THAT UP BUT I REALLY NEED A POINT BY POINT ANALYSIS ON THESE TWO COMPANIES, WHAT THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS, [05:15:03] LET ME READ THOSE THINGS, LET ME TAKE THEM TO THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH AND LET ME SEE WHAT I COME BACK WITH IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO ME QUICKLY AS YOU GOT IT >> I DON'T MEAN TO BE PICKY HERE, BUT PLEASE LET US KNOW WHO YOU DO USE, BECAUSE IF WHO YOU USE IS NOT A GLOBAL SOFTWARE FIRM ALSO EXPERIENCED IN THIS TYPE OF ERP SOFTWARE, IT WON'T DO YOU ANY GOOD, IT WOULD BE NICE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALSO WHO YOU'RE ANALYZING THIS WITH WOULD GIVE YOU YOU KNOW, THE SAME TYPE OF HAS THE SAME EXPERTISE IN THIS FIELD. BECAUSE EITHER WE USE IT LIKE WE USE THE WORD INTERNET AND ZOOM, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO IT, ITEM JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHOEVER YOU USE DOES HAVE A BACKGROUND IN ERP SOFTWARE THIS IS A VERY PARTICULAR FIELD. AND I WELCOME ANY EXPERT THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SHARE WITH COURT. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT IF YOUR EXPERT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE X, OR Y OR Z . >> I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE, JUDGE. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT WAY DARRYL CAN SAY, HEY, IN FAIRNESS, YOUR GUY DOESN'T HAVE, I THINK THAT'S FAIR, LET'S MAKE A WRITTEN REPORT, COMPARABLE TO A WRITTEN REPORT. >> SURE. >> INFO TECH IS THE COMPANY THAT I USE. >> INFO TECH. OK. >> WHO DO YOU USE, COMMISSIONER CHESNEE. >> THEY'RE GLOBAL AND I WAS TALKING TO AN ERP EXPERT THAT HAS ACTUALLY HAS A WHOLE TEAM. >> GOOD. >> TO CONSULT WITH. >> GOOD. OK. >> AND I WILL WORK WITH MICHAEL ALSO, THIS IS A BIDDING PROCESS, LITTLE NEW FOR ME AND I KNOW THERE'S CAN AND CAN'T SAYS AND DO'S AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT I'LL TALK TO HIM ABOUT HOW MUCH WE CAN DISCUSS REFERENCES AND OPEN SESSION AS WELL. >> UNDERSTOOD. AGAIN, MICHAEL, NO REAL CONCERN HERE PRICE-WISE, CHANGING, IF WE WAIT TILL THE 12TH? OR YES, THAT'S A CONCERN. >> AT THE POINT WE ARRIVE AT A DECISION, I'LL HAVE TO REPROACH THE VENDOR THAT PROVIDED THEIR PRICING LIST, THE PRICES AT THE TIME THEY SUBMITTED THE BID AND THEY'RE GOOD FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. >> AND WHAT IS THAT TIME. >> WE BELIEVE IT WAS 60 DAYS AND WE >> I KNOW THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE PUNCH. >> AND NOW WE'RE PUNTING ABOUT A MONTH OUT, WE'LL BE UP AGAINST IT PROBABLY AT THAT POINT >> I UNDERSTAND THAT'S MY CONCERN. THAT WAS WHY I SAID THE 26TH IF YOU COULD GET THIS INFORMATION. AT SOME POINT WE'LL JUST NEED TO TAKE A VOTE WHAT I'M SAYING, I'LL YIELD TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING NOW THE DIFFERENCES ARE NOT JUST PRICE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AS INFORMATION OFFICER. >> I'LL JUST SAY WE PRODUCED THE RESULTS SATISFACTORY TO THE COURT TO SAY YES, WE LIKE THE SYSTEM, BUT WE STILL HAVE ISSUE OF FUNDING. AND THAT FUNDING DEPENDING ON WHEN THAT GETS SETTLED OR FIGURED OUT WILL DETERMINE IF THING FLIES AT ALL. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNDING IN PLACE OR I CAN'T DO THIS. >> I'M OK WITH FUNDING THING BACK ON THE 26TH. I JUST WOULD HAVE RATHER, OK. >> THAT'S FINE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU. OFFICIAL COMMISSIONER >> MOTION TO TABLE. >> IN A SECOND. >> THE WILL OF THE COURT IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, HARD FOR ME ARGUE WITH THAT, I MUST CAUTION WE MUST MAKE A DECISION IN A TIMELY MANNER, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND ASK COMMISSIONER MODEST IF HE WOULD CONSIDER WITHDRAWING THE SECOND. WE'RE WITHDRAWN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. COMMISSIONERS GOT A MOTION TO TABLE. WILL YOU RENEW? THERE'S SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> DOES THE MOTION NEED TO INCLUDE PROVIDING COURT WITH THAT REPORT. [4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.] >> I THINK THE DIRECTIVE IS DO DONE. >> WE'LL YIELD TO THE 2:00 SESSION, LOT OF THOSE FOLKS ARE IN THE ROOM I'M GETTING PUBLIC NOTICE COMMISSIONER'S COURT MAY ELECT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE DO AND IT'S AUTHORIZED BY PROVISION OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE AND IN CORNS WITH THE CODE SECTIONS 55107 -- AND 87, WE'LL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS WITH REGARDING MATTERS RELATING TO LITIGATION, REAL PROPERTY. PERSONNEL, TERMINATION, COUNTY ADVISORY THESE ARE ALL PERMISSIVE AND SECURITY DEVICES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. ANY OTHER MATTER THAT MAY BE DISCUSSIONED IN EXECUTIVE [05:20:04] SESSION, UPON COMPLETION WE'LL COME BACK OUT INTO OPEN SESSION TAKE ANY ACTION APPROPRIATE ON ITEMS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE CLERK, TIME IS 2:23 P.M. WE'LL ASK ANYBODY THAT'S NOT HERE FOR IF YOU'RE ONLINE, WE'LL ASK YOU TO GO BACK INTO A WAITING ROOM. PARAGRAPH I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO STAY UNTIL MAYBE 15 MORE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. I'LL SECOND IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING. AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK ON THE RECORD AFTER... I MEAN, WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVE SOME ACTION ITEMS TO TAKE. FIRST, ON ITEM NUMBER 15, THE FUNDING OF PUBLIC SCHOOL COMMUNICATIONS PROJECTS IN THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS, WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER SOME FUNDING HERE AND THIS WILL BE FOR ELIGIBLE PROJECTS INSIDE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND FOR COMMUNITY SAFETY. AND SO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I WISH TO PUT FORTH AT THIS TIME FOR MY COUNTY JUDGE'S ALLOCATION IS $100,000. AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHERS THAT MIGHT WANT TO JOIN IN AT THIS TIME. AND THEN ON NEXT COURT FOR OCTOBER 12TH, WHAT WE CAN DO IS PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS TO WHICH SCHOOLS WILL BE BENEFITING. >> IS THAT A MOTION? >> YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO PUT SOME MORE MONEY IN? >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE MINE MORE SPECIFIC. >> OKAY. I'LL DO MINE AT THIS TIME. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH OTHERS IN THE FUTURE. >> SECOND, JUDGE? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >> JUDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO SET ASIDE $225,000 OF THE A.R.P.A. FUNDING FOR THE SAME -- >> TECHNOLOGY? >> SAFETY TECHNOLOGY. WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> I THINK WE'LL BE E-MAILING YOU TWO ITEMS I SENT TO HER. I DID SEND THEM INDIVIDUALLY TO YOU, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE I HAD THEM HANDY. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER -- THANK YOU. 13. IT'S THE SECOND AMENDMENT WITH FORENSIC PATHOLOGY STAFFING, AND IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE SUCH SECOND AMENDMENT AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> A SECOND FROM HERNANDEZ. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. ON ITEM... LET ME FIND THE CORRESPONDING... ITS A RATIFICATION OF COUNCIL. YES, IT'S ITEM 23. [23. Discuss and consider ratifying the approval of the engagement letter with the law firm Hillard Martinez Gonzales LLP, specifically attorney John Martinez, to represent Nueces County, Texas, in Cause No. 2021-DCV-4839-H; The Estate of William R. Durrill, Sr., Deceased vs. Nueces County, Texas; and related matters.] I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO IT. ITEM 23, I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THIS ONE. I WAS GOING BY THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ORDER. SO THAT WERE DOWN RESPONDS TO 23. IT'S ITEM C ON EXECUTIVE, BUT ITEM 23, IT'S THE RA RATIFICATIN LETTER FOR ATTORNEY JOHN MARTINEZ TO REPRESENT NUECES COUNTY. THE SECOND FROM GONZALEZ. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL THOSE FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. AND THEN GOING INTO ITEM NUMBER 18, THE MOTION IS TO EXTEND FOR [18. Discuss and consider taking action on the legal (engagement) services of Baker Wotring LLP regarding Padre Balli Park and related matters.] 30 MORE DAYS FOR COMPLETION OF WORK ON THE PADRE BAYOU PARK MATTER FOR MR. E ERNEST WOTREE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION IS A 30 DAY OR SOONER DEPENDING ON HIS FINISHING HIS WORK. AND THEN AFTER THIS 30 DAYS, WE WOULD TAKE FORMAL ACTION TO DISENGAGE OR COMPLETE SERVICES. [05:25:03] >> SO WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK IN 30 DAYS? OR DO YOU WANT TO SAY AFTER 30 DAYS? >> 30 DAYS. WE'LL BE BACK. >> WE'LL BE BACK ON OCTOBER 12TH. SO IT'S WITHIN THE 30 DAYS IN CASE THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP. ALL RIGHT. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? ALL RIGHT. THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE. >> I'M A NO ON THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. A NO. IS THERE ANYTHING ON ITEM 19, FORGIVE ME, JENNY, THAT I HAVE TO DO OR NOT? NO. NOTHING, RIGHT? OKAY. AND THEN ON ITEM... COULD YOU TELL ME THE NEXT ONE? LET'S SEE. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. ON HAZEL BAZEMORE DOG PARK, [21. Discuss and consider director of project, and outstanding invoices from ABM related to the original Hazel Bazemore Dog Park; and related matters.] THERE'S A MOTION TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MATTER? IT'S HAZEL BAZEMORE DOG PARK AND A.B.M. IT'S ITEM 21, MOTION NO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, THAT IS, TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS. >> SECOND. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> NO. >> OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. AND THEN... AND THEN WHAT ABOUT [20. Discuss and consider the appointment, employment, evaluation, reassignment, duties, discipline, or dismissal of the Human Resources Director, pursuant to Sec. 551.074 of the Texas Government Code.] ITEM NUMBER 20? >> JUDGE, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER CONFERS WITH THE H.R. DIRECTOR AS DIRECTED. >> OKAY. MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> OKAY. NOW, ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANYMORE. >> DO YOU? >> HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS? >> SHE SAID NO ACTION. >> WE'RE GOOD. >> THERE'S NO -- >> OKAY. >> RIGHT. >> NO ACTION NEEDED THERE. SO 19 IS JUST SORT OF A PASS I GUESS, LORENZO, NO ACTION REQUIRED AFTER CONSULTATION. I DON'T HAVE ANYMORE, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU GUYS TO PLEASE LOOK. WHAT ABOUT ANY... TELL ME. >> THE AUDITOR STUFF. >> ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. BUT NOTHING ELSE ON THE MAIN AGENDA. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A FINANCIAL REPORT AND A PIQUARD REPORT AND A CHANGE ORDER. I WAS GOING TO SAY IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, CAN YOU DO THE [3. Approve Budget Change Order No. 21 for Fiscal Year 2021-2022.] CHANGE ORDER FIRST SO THAT YOU CAN FINISH WITH THAT BUSINESS PIECE OF IT? >> SURE. >> THEN WORK BACKWARD SO TO SPEAK. >> WE'RE GETTING TOWARD THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. YOU WON'T BE SEE MANY MORE OF THESE. YOU WANT SEPTEMBER. YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE ONE MORE, SO THESE ARE GETTING KIND OF LARGER. SOME OF THE ACCOUNTS ARE OVERTIME BECAUSE OF THE VACANCIES THEY HAVE IN THE DEPARTMENT, THE JUVENILE, SHERIFF'S, AND OTHERS. THE FUNDS ARE IN THESE ACCOUNTS. I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ACCOUNTS AND DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABNORMAL. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. OTHERWISE I SUBMIT BUDGET 21 FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE AND AMOVING. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS CHANGE ORDER? >> UH-HUH. >> I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. [2. Approve Monthly Procurement Card Report for the month of June 2022.] >> AYE. >> AYE. HOW ABOUT THE PIQUARD REPORT FOR THE MONTH. >> THE PIQUARD REPORT IS A VRG LARGE REPORT. IT'S GOT MANY TRANSACTIONS IN THERE, AS WE SEE. IT'S VERY LENGTHY. IT'S $3.2 MILLION FOR THE NINE-MONTH PERIOD. IT'S ABOUT WHERE WE NORMALLY ARE AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND TOWARD THE BACK OF THE ITEM WE SHOW YOU THE PURCHASES DONE THROUGH PIQUARD THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MEALS. WE ATTACHED ALL THE RECEIPTS. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION FOR THE P. CARD FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE 28TH. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF DALE ON THIS? >> NO. >> OKAY INCH THAT CASE I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS MONTHLY REPORT FOR JUNE 2 22. P. CARD REPORT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, HOW LONG DO YOU NEED? WE'RE GOING TO MEET ON THE 26TH. DO YOU NEED A LOT OF TIME OR IS SHE SOMETHING YOU CAN GO THROUGH [1. Approve Monthly Financial Report for the Month of June 2022.] SWIFTLY. >> I CAN GO THROUGH SWIFTLY. >> WE'LL TAKE IT. >> FOUR AND FIVE ARE YOUR NORMAL FUND BALANCES FOR ALL THE FUNDS. IF YOU LOOK ON THE CHARTS ON PAGE EIGHT AND NINE, YOU'LL SEE WHWE'RE WHERE WE'RE EXPECTED TO [05:30:04] BE. WE'RE AT $24 MILLION, $25 MILLION. WE'D LIKE MORE. SOME OF THE LOSS OF REVENUE POINTS, ON PAGE 10 AND PAGE 1 1-RBG WE SHOW YOU OUR INSURANCE FUND. RIGHT NOW YOU SEE OUR GROUP HEALTH FUND, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT FUND BALANCE. WE JUST TRANSFERRED $1.6 MILLION TO IT. IT WILL BE GOING UP TO OVER $2 MILLION. THAT'S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THING TO DO. I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE EXPENSES, BUT THERE ARE ONLY A FEW SMALL DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE OVER BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE HAD BUDGET CHANGE ORDERS TO FIX THOSE ITEMS. ON PAGE 61 YOU SEE WHERE OUR REMAINING BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR IS. 36.2% FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. THIS REPORT IS AT 25%. SO WE'RE ABOUT WHERE WE EXPECTED TO BE, AROUND 11% BUDGET, WHICH IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO BE. NOW, OUR REPORTING SOFTWARE HAS SOME ERRORS IN IT, SO THE REPORT AND THE R.T.A. REPORTS ARE INCORRECT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THAT CORRECTED. I KNOW THIS WAS A VERY QUICK REPORT. I HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND READ IT. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OTHERWISE WE SUBMIT THE REPORT FOR JUNE 30, 2022, FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE. >> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS REPORT FOR DALE? >> NO. ACCEPTANCE. >> OKAY. >> AND I'LL SECOND, AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. OKAY. [ Adjournment in Memory (upon request)] AND WHAT ABOUT ADJOURNMENTS AND MEMORY TODAY? >> I DO NOT HAVE ANY. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LIFE OF AN AMAZING WOMAN, EVELYN COOPER, WHO PASSED ON SEPTEMBER 6, 2022. HER SERVICES I BELIEVE ARE THIS WEEKEND, I THINK SO. THE 14TH OF SEPTEMBER, AND IT WILL BE AT ST. JOHN'S THE BAPTIST CHURCH. EVELYN WAS JUST AN AMAZING WOMAN HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SHE WAS A LOCAL CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. I KNEW HER AS HAVING ALL THE BEST FASHION SHOWS FOR THE BLACK CHAMBER, AND I HAD JUST RECENTLY SAT WITH HER AT ONE NOT TOO LONG AGO, MAYBE 60 DAYS AGO. SO SHE LOVED CELEBRATING ART AND AND, AND SHE DID IT WITH TEXTILE AND BEADS AND SHE DID THIS THROUGH HER BOUTIQUE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. SO I JUST... SHE'S JUST GOING TO BE SORELY MISSED. SHE JUST WAS A GREAT COMMUNITY-MINDED AND CIVIC-MINDED WOMAN. I HOPE TO BRING YOU HER ENTIRE OBITUARY ONCE I GET AHOLD OF IT THIS WEEKEND. BUT AGAIN, VERY SORRY TO DELIVER SAD NEWS, TO HAVE SUCH A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN LEAVE US, AND WE SEND OUR CONDOLENCES TO HER FAMILY AND THE EXTENDED NAACP AND BLACK CHAMBER AND SISTER SORORITIES. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER ADJOURNMENTS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, WE STAND ADJOURNED. THE TIME IS * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.