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[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>>JUDGE CANALES: IN HERE THIS MORNING AND WISH EVERYBODY A GOOD MORNING. AND AS I CALL US US TO ORDER, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO HAVE EVERYBODY RISE FOR INVOCATION. PLEASE STAY STANDING FOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO OUR TEXAS FLAG. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ WILL LEAD

US IN INVOCATION. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: LORD GOD, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK YOU TODAY TO REALLY GIVE YOU THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE GIVEN US.

OUR HEALTH. OUR MISSION IN THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. WE GIVE YOU THANKS, LORD, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR US WHEN WE ASK YOU.

WE ASK YOU TO PRAY FOR THOSE WHO NEED YOUR PRAYERS.

THOSE WHO ARE PASSED. PRAY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. PRAY FOR THE AUDIENCE THEY ARE HERE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON HERE IN CAN COMMISSIONERS COURT. LORD GOD, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BETTER.

BUT IT IS UP TO YOU WHAT WE GET. I AM ASKING YOU, LORD, AT THIS TIME JUST TO CONTINUE TO GIVE US THE STRENGTH THAT WE NEED, THE COURAGE, THE WISDOM AND THE KNOWLEDGE.

IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >> AMEN.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AT THIS TIME, WE WILL NOTE FOR THE CLERK THAT IT IS AUGUST 10, 2022. WE ARE IN NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT ROOM ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE NUECES COUNTY COURT. HOUSE LOCATED ON 911 LEOPARD.

I CERTIFIED THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND THEREFORE A QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.

MUCHY. FOR THE CLERK I NOTICED IT WAS 8:40 WHEN WE STARTED. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO TURN EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO ITEM NUMBER D AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS ON DISCLOSURE OR CONFLICT OF INTEREST AT THIS TIME WITH ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

YOU CAN -- IF YOU DISCOVER LATER THAT YOU DO HAVE A CONFLICT, IF YOU WOULD.PLEASE DISCLOSE BECAUSE IT WILL REFRAIN YOU FROM VOTING AND WE WILL ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM DISCUSSIONS ON SUCH

[E. SAFETY BRIEFING]

ITEMS. HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE TO OUR SAFETY BRIEFING AND ASK THAT YOU GIVE YOUR ATTENTION TO OUR RISK MANAGER MR. TEM THEE EVERY REST.

>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MEETING ON THE NUECES COUNTY COURTHOUSE THE 01 LEOPARD.

THE REST ROOMS ARE AS YOU EXIT THE COURT ROOM PAST THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE. PLEASE NOTE, A FIRE EXTINGUISHER IN THE REAR OF THE COURT ROOM. IN ADDITION FIVE FIRE FIGHTERS THROUGHOUT OF THE THIRD-FLOOR ATRIUM AREA.

IN THE ACT OF A CARDIAC EMERGENCY AN SNACHL AED IS.

NEXT TO THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE.

THE TARP CONTINUE AT RESPONSIBLE FOR DIALING 911 WILL BE CONNIE.

AND? EXIT IN L EPAN STREET EXIT AND ASSEMBLE IN THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET.

IF NEED TO SHELTER IN PLACE, IN THE EVENT OF THE SEVERITY OF THE SFCHLS MUCH IF INCIDENT, THE DOORS WILL BE CLOSED UNLESS NOTICE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OTHER SHERIFF AGENCIES.

OUR SHERIFF TOPIC OF THE MONTH IS CHILDREN'S EYE HEALTH AND SAFETY MONTH. THAT CONCLUDES MY SAFETY BREACH

SFICH. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, TIMOTHY. WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TEAM. I WILL ASK DEPUTY -- DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WAITING OUTSIDE OR INSIDE THE COURT ROOM TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU AT THIS TIME. WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HEAR CONNIE LOOK ONLINE BUT I SEE NO VIRTUAL ICONS.

[1. In recognition of Steve Chapman of the Calallen Wildcats as the winningest Coach in Texas High School Baseball.]

AN UNUSUAL DAY THAT THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE WILL MOVE ON THEN TO -- I LIKE THIS PART SO MUCH.

STARTS OUR DAY OFF RIGHT. THE ADOPTION OF CERTAIN RESOLUTIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN NOTICED ON OUR AGENDA. AND WE WILL START THIS MORNING WITH RECOGNITION OF STEVE CHAPMAN OF THE CALALLEN WILDCATS. THIS IS ABOUT THE BEST IT GETS WHEN YOU ARE THE WINNINGEST COACH IN TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL. WE ARE A BASEBALL FAMILY MYSELF, SO THIS ONE PARTICULARLY HITS HOME FOR ME.

I THINK SOUTH TEXAS HAS BECOME, AS THEY SAY, INFAMOUS IN ALL THE RIGHT WAYS FOR BASEBALL. SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN TO

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-- WHO WILL BE READING THE RESOLUTION? I THINK I WILL, IS THAT RIGHT? SINCE IDAY IS NOT HERE.

IF YOU PERMIT ME FROM THE DAIS. NORMALLY WE COME DOWN THERE.

WHEREAS, THIS YEAR COACH STEVE CHAPMAN BECAME THE WINNINGEST COACH IN TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL WITH A TOTAL OF 1116 WINS. WHEREAS, COACH STEVE CHAPMAN'S 40 YEARS OF COACHING AT CALALLEN, HE HAS LED THE CALALLEN WILDCATS TO 31 CONSECUTIVE PLAYOFF APPEARANCES, 29 DISTRICT TITLES AND THREE STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY DOES HEARBY RECOGNIZE COACH STEVE CHAPMAN FOR HIS ACCOMPLISHMENT OF MAKING HISTORY AS THE WINNINGEST COACH IN HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL. IT IS DULY ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY ON THIS 10TH DAY OF 2022.

I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECOND IF S&P.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WITH THAT SECOND, WE WILL CALL FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN ASK COACH CHAPMAN IF HE HAS ANY WORDS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN APPROACH ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE

LOVELY PEOPLE ONLINE. >> THERE IS A MIC RIGHT THERE, SI SIR.

>> YES. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME DOWN HERE FOR THIS HONOR.

AND I AM GREATLY HONORED TO BE HERE AND APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I GET TO BE HERE. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, COACH.

I KNOW MAYBE SOME OF US MIGHT WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS.

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, THIS IS YOUR PRECINCT.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YES, MA'AM.

COACH, A WELL DESERVED HONOR THAT WE ARE GIVING YOU -- THAT YOU ARE GETTING. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I PERSONALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE AT MUCH CALALLEN HIGH SCHOOL BETWEEN YOU AND COACH DENE HER DO A TREMENDOUS JOB THAT WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CONTINUED SUCCESS.

>> THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, COACH. THIS ALWAYS THE BEST PART.

WE GET TO SAY ALL NOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. I HAVE A RESOLUTION IN THE FORMAL STATE AND WOULD LOVE IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE A PHOTO WITH WHAT WE CONSIDER A HALL OF FAMER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COACH, CONGRATULATIONS.

AN AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENT. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN AND DOING THIS. A PHENOMENAL JOB OUT THERE.

APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, BRENT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I COULDN'T HAVE DONE BETTER MYSELF, COACH. [LAUGHTER]

>> WE ALL AGREE. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WANT TO COME ON UP.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE TRUTH IS COACHING MATTERS.

NOT BECAUSE YOU WIN BUT THE LIVES YOU TOUCH.

I WISH -- UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE ALL DIVIDED INTO ALL OF THESE SCHOOLS BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN GREAT TEXANS RIGHT ABOUT HERE.

WE CHEER FOR EVERYBODY. >> MY NUMBER ONE COACH IS

EX-TROJAN, JOSE LOPEZ. >>JUDGE CANALES: SURE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY.

>> YOU TOO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO YOU KNOW THE WINNINGEST COACH IN HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL ANYWHERE.

ROUNDS OF APPLAUSE FOR THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, DIDN'T -- DIDN'T GP HAVE THE WINNINGEST FOOTBALL

COACH IN HISTORY? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GOOD

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QUESTION. RAY AIKENS BACK IN THE DAY?

GOOD QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE NEED TO LOOK

A THAT UP. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DANAHER IS IN THAT AS WELL. WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAQUE DOWNSTAIRS. A FEEL-GOOD FOR US AND WONDERFUL FOR SOUTH TEXAS. IN THE CONTINUING SPIRIT OF

[2. In recognition of Ray Allen for his service to Nueces County and the Coastal Bend Bays & Estuaries Program.]

EXCELLENCE, NUMBER -- ITEMG 2 IN RECOGNITION OF RAY ALLEN FOR HIS SERVICE OF NUECES COUNTY AND COASTAL BEND BAYS AND ESTUARIES PROGRAM. AND, AGAIN, IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME FROM THE DAIS, I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE FOLLOWING COMMISSIONERS COURT RESOLUTION. WHEREAS MR. RAY ALLEN HAS SERVED AS THE SOLE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE COASTAL BEND BAYS AND ESTUARIES PROGRAM FOR 23 YEARS. MR. ALLEN HAS BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE BETWEEN THE ORGANIZATION'S GROWTH AND SUCCESS.

MR. ALLEN WAS A ORIGINAL MEMBER OF THE NUECES ADVISORY COUNCIL, CORPUS CHRISTI BAY AND BATH AND BAY BASIN AND BAY AREA STAKEHOLDERS. THE POLICY COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL ESTUARY PROGRAM AND THE FOUNDING CHAIRMAN OF THE COASTAL BY A BEND FOUNDATION. MR. RAY ALLEN WAS TWICE APPOINTED TO THE COASTAL COORDINATION COUNCIL.

WHEREAS, MR. RAY ALLEN HAS GROWN THE COASTAL BEND BAYS AND ESTUARIES PROGRAM'S STAFF TO 17 INDIVIDUALS.

HE HAS DEVELOPED DIVERSE AND INNOVATIVE PARTNERSHIPS THAT FURTHER THE CCEP'S MISSION. TO FURTHER HELP THE WATER QUALITY IN BAYS AND ESTUARIES OF THOUSAND OF ACRES OF COASTAL HABITAT AND WORK WITH STAFF TO ESTABLISH PROGRAMS THAT ADDRESSED OUR LOCAL ISSUES SUCH AS LAND CONSERVATION, EDUCATION, OUTREACH AND COASTAL BIRD CONSERVATION.

MR. ALLEN HAS BEEN INSTRUMENT OF FRESH WATER INFLOWS TO THE NUECES AND CORPUS CHRISTI BAYS AND THE IMPORTANCE AND CHAMPION FOR FRESH WATER INFLOWS THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

MR. RAY ALLEN LED THE CCEPP THE 11-ACRE NUECES PRESERVE AND ESTABLISHING AN INVESTMENT FUND FOR ITS FUTURE.

HE HAS DEVELOPED THE CCBEP INTO AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS KNOWN AND RESPECTED AT THE LOCAL, STATES, FEDERAL -- AND I AM ADD THIS ONE -- INTERNATIONAL LEVELS FOR ITS KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF AND GREAT CONSERVATION WORK. NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE RESOLVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY THAT WE HEARBY RECOGNIZE MR. RAY ALLEN FOR HIS DEDICATION AND SERVICE TO NUECES COUNTY AND TO THE COASTAL BEND BAYS AND ESTUARIES PROGRAM DULY ADOPTED ABOUT AVOTE WHICH WILL BE TAKEN SHORTLY OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT OF NUECES COUNTY ON THIS 27TH -- ACTUALLY -- ON THIS 10TH DAY OF AUGUST, 2022.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HOW ABOUT A CALL FOR DISCUSSION.

RAY, WOULD YOU MIND. YOU ARE JOINED BY AWESOME MEMBERS OF THE COASTAL BEND BAYS AND ESTUARIES PROGRAM STAFF.

YOU ARE ALLOWED, AS WELL, TO PRAISE.

BUT RAY, YOU HAVE COME BEFORE US SO MANY TIMES TO DELIVER IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS, UPDATES.

WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE ONE OF YOUR MUCH PARTNERS IN THE COASTAL BEND BAYS AND ESTUARIES PROGRAM. BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP, IT IS NOT JUST THE DELTA.

REALLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS THEY SAY, PLANET EARTH THANKS YOU BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.

WE ARE IN SUCH A BETTER PLACE TO CONTINUE THE MISSION YOU LAID THE GROWNWORK FOR, RAY, THANK YOU.

>> YOU ARE VERY KIND, JUDGE. COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU, THIS MORNING. I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.

ONE, I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT OUR BAYS ARE HEALTHY.

THEY CONTINUE TO BE HEALTHY. BUT IT IS A CHALLENGE.

WE CONTINUE TO SEE GROWTH AROUND THE BAY SYSTEMS. WE CONTINUE TO SEE MORE INDUSTRIAL EXPANSION, WHICH IS GREAT FOR JOBS AND GREAT FOR THE ECONOMY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN IMPACT ON OUR NATURAL RESOURCES OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF, PLAN FOR, AND ADDRESS WHENEVER WE CAN. AND ONE THOSE BIG ISSUES THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF TODAY AND THAT IS ITS AVAILABILITY OF FRESH WATER. WE -- WE LIVE IN A VERY DRY PARTS OF THE STATE. YOU KNOW, DROUGHT IS A VISITOR TO OUR SHORELINES HERE. AND WE NEED TO BE AS PREPARED AS WE CAN FOR FUTURE WATER SUPPLIES AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THOSE NEEDED FRESH WATER OUTFLOWS TO OUR BAY SYSTEM.

WHEN IT COMES TO CRUNCH TIME, WE KNOW WHAT WILL LOSE OUT, BUT LET'S KEEP THINGS GOING. I DO WANT TO SAY OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH NUECES COUNTY HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS OVER THESE MANY YEARS WITH THE PROGRAM AND 23 IS, LIKE, A LONG TIME.

[LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH

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BOTH COASTAL PARKS AND INLAND PARKS, WITH INDIVIDUAL PRECINCT COMEDIES HA HAVE OPINION WONDERFUL.

WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF GREAT PROJECTS.

WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN HAVING A WONDERFUL STAFF AND YOU ALL NEED TO STAND UP FOR A SECOND HE HERE. I SHOW UP AND GET CREDIT.

THEY TO THE REAL WORK. YOU CAN SIT DOWN NOW.

AREN'T THEY WELL TRAINED? THAT WASN'T PLANNED.

[LAUGHTER] CONTINUING TO BUILD ON THE RELATIONSHIP AND DRESSING FLOODING ISSUES, WASTEWATER ISSUES, NONPOINT SOURCE POLLUTION PROBLEMS OUT IN THE DISTRICT, THOSE ARE ALL CRITICAL EFFORTS, BUT SOMETHING CLOSE TO MY HEART IS PUBLIC ACCESS. PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR AND COME TO VISIT US HAVE EASY AND NICE ACCESS TO OUR BAYS AND ESTUARIES AND THAT'S WHERE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT IS SO STRONG. GETTING PEOPLE OUT TO ENJOY THE RESOURCE IS THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT STEP IN PROTECTING IT, LETTING PEOPLE LOVE THE RESOURCE ON BE A QUICK NOTE, LET ME ACKNOWLEDGE EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A GREAT STAFF, I HAVE A WONDERFUL WIFE. VICKI, THANK YOU, VICKI.

I AM TURNING THE KEYS OVER TO DR. KIRSTIN STANSIL WILL TAKING OVER IN A FEW DAYS. I AM COUNTING THEM DOWN.

I DON'T PLAN TO BE TOO FAR AWAY AND A.

AND I AM HOPING TO DO VOLUNTEER WORK WHEN I RETIRE.

WHAT A GREAT COMMUNITY WE LIVE IN.

JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO.

BELIEVE ME, I KNOW IT IS HARD TO KEEP EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD AND I APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYONE DOES AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD.

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS AN ORGANIZATION WITHOUT RAY ALLEN.

NO DISRESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.

YOU HAVE BEEN CERTAINLY A FACE IN THE ORGANIZATION FOR SO LONG AND AN HONOR TO WATCH YOU SERVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE TO HELP ON THE CITY COUNCIL OR COMMISSIONERS COURT AND I CAN ALWAYS PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL.

YOU ALWAYS WERE JUST A VERY LEVEL-HEADED, REALISTIC PERSON IN THIS ROLE. IT'S HARD PAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY COMPETING FORCES HERE IN SOUTH TEXAS WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR INDUSTRY AND WITH BUSINESS AND WITH -- IT'S HARD TO BALANCE

IT. >> IT IS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I KNOW YOU HAVE TAKEN YOUR SHOTS FROM SOME OF THOSE GROUPS BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN SOMEONE THAT I FELT LIKE W GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER AND DIDN'T HAVE AN AGENDA BEHIND IT AND WERE REASONABLE IN HOW YOU APPROACHED THINGS AND DIDN'T GET -- DIDN'T GO TOO FAR OFF THE CLIFF, IF YOU WILL, WHEN THINGS GOT TOUGH. AND THAT STABILIZING KIND OF CAL CALMING NATURE THAT YOU HAD.

THE TECHNICAL SKILLS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM ALL DAY, BUT THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU ALWAYS CAME UP WITH SOLUTIONS AND YOU NEVER FELT LIKE IT WAS SO BAD THAT IT COULDN'T BE FIXED AND YOU REALIZED THAT THE INDUSTRY IS HERE. THE ENVIRONMENT IS HERE.

WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW IT WORKS AND NOT FIGHT EACH OTHER. THAT ALWAYS STOOD OUTS TO ME THE MOST, RAY. WAS THAT ABILITY TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.

IT WASN'T ALWAYS PERFECT AND WHAT YOU WANTED, WHAT I WANTED OR WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED. BUT, FEN, THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF WORKING TOGETHER AND I AM NOT THE PERSON WHO FEELS LIKE COMPROMISE IS A DIRTY WORD. AND YOU DECIDED HOW TO DO IT WITH GRACE, STYLE, CLASS, INTELLECT, ALL OF THOSE GOOD THINGS. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE AND MET FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND MET FOR THE COASTAL BEND BAYS AND ESTUARIES PROGRAM. BECAUSE IT IS -- AT THE BOTTOM LINE WHEN YOU COME UP HERE AND THAT IS THE GREATEST THING AND YOU SAY OUR BAYS ARE HEALTHY. THAT'S WHAT WE ALL WANT.

WE ALL WANT GROWTH AND WANT ALL THOSE THINGS.

WEAPON WANT OUR BAYS TO BE HEALTHY.

SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I RELY ON PEOPLE HIKE YOU AND YOU DID IT WITH THE WAY YOU DID IT FOR SO MANY YEARS IS SO MUCH APPRECIATED AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND I HOPE YOU BE AROUND AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE SACRIFICE YOUR WIFE MADE IN THAT POSITION.

YOU ARE A PUBLIC OFFICIAL. YOU WEREN'T AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT YOU WERE A PUBLIC FIGURE. A FACE OF THAT ORGANIZATION WHICH IS A PROMINENT ORGANIZATION IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I KNOW THAT WAS TOUGH ON YOUR WIFE A LOT AND YOUR FAMILY

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-- MAYBE IT WASN'T MAYBE HE WAS JUST TOUGH, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THANK YOU. IT IS SINCERELY APPRECIATED AND YOU WILL BE AVAILABLE TO HELP AND I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T TURN IT OVER TO SOMEONE WHO WOULDN'T DO AS AN OUTSTANDING JOB AS YOU DO.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR CONTINUED PRESENCE.

AND TODAY IS ALL BUT, RAY, AS IT SHOULD BE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER MARE RE. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THANKS, JUDGE. RAY, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.

AS COMMISSIONER CHESNEY SAID ON CITY COUNCIL AND HERE, YOU ALWAYS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.

MY EARLY DAYS NOT REALIZING HOW FORTUNATE WE WERE TO HAVE A GROUP LIKE THIS, THAT IS AN ADVOCATE, THAT ARE A GROUP OF EXPERTS THAT WE CAN RELY ON AND HELP US BRIDGE THE -- THE PRESERVATION OF OUR NATURE AND WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE.

TO OUR COMMUNITY TO LIVE HERE OR TO VISIT.

AND ALSO, THE REALITY OF WHAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS WORK FORCE.

AND THAT IS A VERY FINE LINE. AND I KNOW THAT, YES, THERE ARE TIMES IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU.

I HAVE READ AND SEEN AS WELL. BUT I THANK YOU AND THE GROUP FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE. AND GREAT -- REASSURING TO HEAR THAT YOU WILL VOLUNTEER NOW. I AM SURE -- THIS GROUP WILL BE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE YOUR TIME AND EXPERTISE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR MUST

DESERVED RETIREMENT. >> THANK YOU.

VERY KIND. I'M HERE FOR THE TO HE TOE,

JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM READY.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR -- ONE THING I THINK I WILL MISS IS THE VOICE, YOU KNOW. WHEN WE ARE IN HE MEETINGS.

SO A LOT OF US HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY DISTINCT VOICES.

OBVIOUSLY WE ARE INDIVIDUALS. THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS WHOSE VOICE IS UNMISTAKABLE IN A ROOM AND I WILL ASK FOR Y'ALL'S BEST IMPRESSION NEXT MEETING -- I WANT TO HEAR YOU SOUND LIKE RAY ALLEN.

BUT THE TRUTH IS, THAT HE TAUGHT YOU GUYS WELL.

AND I THINK WE ARE ON A GREAT COURSE.

THE ONE THING, RAY, I AM GOING TO ASK OF YOU.

WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE SESSION COMING UP.

WE HAVE -- ALWAYS HAD ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND I BET WE WILL AGAIN TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR YOUR GREAT ORGANIZATION BECAUSE IT HAS NOT HAD THAT FUNDING.

AND SO WE WOULD ONLY ASK THAT YOU COME OUT OF RETIREMENT MAYBE ONE DAY NEXT UP JANUARY TO WALK THE HALLS WITH US SO THEY CAN HEAR THE VOICE AND KNOW THAT -- THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A MUCH-NEEDED FUNDING FOR THIS GREAT PROGRAM.

>> CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE UNFINISHED CHALLENGES, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: UNFINISHED, ABSOLUTELY.

THE BEST PART. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS INCREDIBLE RECOGNITION FOR THIS INCREDIBLE INDIVIDUAL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

WE WOULD LOVE THE HONOR OF TAKING A PICTURE OF YOU --

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING, JUDGE. MR. ALLEN, I DON'T KNOW YOU AS WELL AS OTHERS DO, I SPOKEN TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES.

MY PASSION IN THE WESTERN AREA OF NUECES COUNTY WHERE EVERYTHING STARTS AND WINDS UP -- WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO WIND UP. BUT CHESNEY SPOKE FOR ALL OF US I THINK. HE SAID EVERYTHING WE WERE GOING TO SAY. NOT MUCH FOR US TO SAY.

OTHER THAN THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT WHEN YOU CAN.

WHATEVER YOU CAN DO FOR US, WE APPRECIATE IT, BUT DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE COMMITTED. DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

>> THANK YOU. FEV.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: GOD BLESS YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ WANTS TO AFTER OM

WARDS. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I ONLY TO HAVE BEEN AT THIS JOB FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND I HAVEN'T HAD MUCH CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU.

WHAT I HEAR AND READ, YOU DESERVE YOUR RETIREMENT.

AND I WISH YOU WELL. I DON'T -- DON'T BE A STRANGER TO US. HELP US OUT WHEN YOU CAN.

AND LIKE OLD KENNY ROGERS SONG SAID "YOU PICK A FINE TIME TO LEAVE US LUCILLE." [LAUGHTER] WE ARE GOING TO NEED YOU. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY

MUCH, SIR, FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU, ALL. >>JUDGE CANALES: TEAM, LET'S DO THIS. RAY, MAYBE YOU JOIN US.

AND LET THE STAFF ALSO COME UP FOR A PHOTO AS WELL.

OKAY. AND I THINK -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE FORMAL RESOLUTION, KARA, FOR RAY.

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU FRAMED IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DID. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. IF YOU WILL JOIN US UP FRONT.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: PROBABLY SHOULD -- OH, GOOD, YOU ARE STILL HERE.

DR. STANSIL. IT WILL BE NICE IT SHALL TO PUT YOU ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA SO THE COURT WILL KNOW YOU AND THE PROJECTS YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. WE CAN WORK ON IT FOR PERHAPS MAYBE A SEPTEMBER AGENDA. THANK YOU.

WE WILL MOVE ON AND -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, COULD I -- SEVERAL IN HERE THAT I DON'T HAVE BACK-UP IN MY

AGENDA. >>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF WE CAN PROVIDE THAT BACK-UP BEFORE WE TALK TO THEM. CHECK THE -- I DON'T HAVE

BACK-UPS FOR A-3, A-7. >>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU DON'T MIND, HANG ON ONE A SECOND. REGULAR AGENDA OR CONSENT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: REGULAR, SORRY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ON REGULAR YOU NEED A -- SAY IT AGAIN.

A-3. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A-3, 7, 9 AND I THINK C-1? N

NO. >>JUDGE CANALES: IDAY IS WORKING ON THAT. WHICH ONE?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOLD ON. C-13.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MICHAEL CAME TO ME THIS MORNING AND SAID WE WILL HAVE THAT SHORTLY. IT'S JUST -- IT WAS -- IT WAS A CONTRACT -- I GUESS, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS WORKING ON IT. AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE WILL BE PATIENT, IT WILL BE WITH US HERE SHORTLY.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DID NOT SEE THE P CARD BACKUP.

>> WE WILL HAVE THAT IN A MOMENT.

WE WILL BE DEALING WITH THAT SOON.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T KNOW HOW INTENSE -- THE P CARD.

WHATEVER THE BACK-UP IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

AND AGAIN DEPENDING ON HOW FAST I CAN LOOK AT THIS, I WANT TO

GIVE EVERYBODY NOTICE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM WITH YOU.

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WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON. YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET SOMETHING HERE -- LET'S SEE. FOR THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY. WHAT IS BEING HANDED OUT IS ITEM 7 AND 3 -- OR JUST 3. IS THIS 3 AND 7?

>> NO DIFFERENCE. THIS IS FOR THE HOSPITAL

DISTRICT. >>JUDGE CANALES: OH, JUST FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. OKAY, GUYS.

YOU ARE STILL MISSING COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

FORGET WHAT I SAID. THIS IS NOT COMPLETE.

THIS IS FOR THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT ONLY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GUESS IT IS PRETTY LENGTHY.

ANY TIME SENSITIVE MANNER. >>JUDGE CANALES: TELL YOU WHAT, LET ME JUST ASK IF YOU DON'T MIND, ITEM NUMBER 3, IDAY AND JENNY. DO WE NEED TO ABLE 3-A-3 BECAUSE

OF LACK OF BACKUP. >> NOT FROM OUR OFFICE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NOT FROM OUR OFFICE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHERE IS THE BACK-UP.

>> IS THAT THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS SENT --

>> THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FORWARDED AGAIN THIS MORNING.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GUESS I AM GOING TO SAY CAN WE PLEASE

TABLE THAT UNTIL AUGUST 17. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME TAKE IT

RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION

TO TABLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: A SECOND BY GONZALEZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM NUMBER 7, INTERLOCAL -- THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. CAN WE TABLE THIS?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TABLE THIS UNTIL AUGUST 17.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IS THAT YOUR MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND FROM GONZALEZ?

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ITEM 9.

>> WHICH ITEM IS THAT? >>JUDGE CANALES: 3-A-7.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ON ITEM NUMBER 9, I WAS TOLD THAT SCOTT MEARS WAS GOING TO JOIN US AND WE DID THIS IN ORDER.

TURN TO IDAY OR JENNY. ON THE TASK ORDER NUMBER 1.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE OF THE ESTIMATED COST AND IS IT

9? >>JUDGE CANALES: HAS THE BACK-UP AND I THINK SCOTT IS COMING TO PRESENT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE OF THE BACK-UP ON 9.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SCRATCH THAT OUT AS A POTENTIAL TABLE.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS IN THERE AND HAS THE COST.

[H. Present the following Certificate(s) of Recognition:]

ALL RIGHT, I WILL TAKE THOSE AND KEEP REVIEWING.

I WILL GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE WHICH IS H-1 ON OUR AGENDA.

AND I NEED TO FIGURE OUT A ADAGE.

THEY SAY THE MEN IN BLUE. CHIEF, WHAT DO YOU THINK A

GOLDEN GATE WAY TO DESCRIBE -- >> MEN IN BROWN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE MEN WITH THE STARS MAYBE.

THE MEN WITH STARS ARE HERE TODAY REPRESENTING THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS IN RECOGNITION OF DAVID GARCIA RECEIVING THE 20226 TEXAS PEACEMAKER AWARD FROM THE H SHERIFFS' ASSOCIATION OF TEXAS. AND THIS IS QUITE TEXAS PEACEMAKER AWARD FROM THE SHERIFFS' ASSOCIATION OF TEXAS.

AND THIS IS QUITE EXEMPLARY. SHERIFF ASSOCIATION OF TEXAS DESCRIBES THE TEXAS PEACEMAKER AWARD IS AN HONOR TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONAL WHO HAS EXEMPLIFIED OVER A LIFE-LONG SERVICE PUBLIC GOOD AND COMMUNITY FOR WHICH THEY SERVED AND THE APPROACH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT ONLY TO MAINTAIN ORDER BUT BRING JUSTICE.

THE RECIPIENT IS SOMEBODY THAT BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN PEOPLE.

RECOGNIZES THE DIGNITY OF OTHERS AND SERVES AS A ROLE MODEL AND MENTOR TO YOUNGER GENERATIONS OF LAW ENFORCEMENTS OFFICERS.

THIS IS A DISTINCTION THAT BELONGS TO ONE MAN, ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL, AND HE HAPPENS TO BELONG TO US. TO THE NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, TO THIS COURTHOUSE AND, IN FACT, SO OFTEN, TO THIS VERY COURT ROOM.

WITH GREAT DISTINCTION WE RECOGNIZE DEPUTY DAVID GARCIA FOR THE TEXAS PEACEMAKER AWARD RECIPIENT [APPLAUSE] SHERIFF HOOPER, CHIEF COOK, MAY I ASK YOU TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN ALLOW THE DEPUTY IF HE WOULD LIKE -- I KNOW HE HAS SPECIAL MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILIES

HERE TODAY TO ACKNOWLEDGE. >> SO, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER MAREZ FOR SHINING A LIGHT ON THIS GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. THE LAST WEEKEND IN JULY WE WERE AT BEAUTIFUL FORT WORTH, TEXAS FOR THE ANNUAL SHERIFF ASSOCIATION OF TEXAS CONVENTION. AND THERE WERE ABOUT 180 OUT OF

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254 COUNTY SHERIFFS PRESENT. AND WE WERE JUST SO HONORED THAT ONE OF OUR OWN WAS SELECTED FROM ALL THE DEPUTY SHERIFFS AND ELECTED SHERIFFS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND NO MORE DESERVING THAN DAVID GARCIA. SO IN 2001, DAVID HAD A CRITICAL INCIDENT WHERE WE ALMOST LOST HIM.

AND A REALLY NEAT THING FOR ME BEING UP AT THAT CONVENTION WAS I GOT TO MEET A STATE SENATOR FROM SENATE DISTRICT 22 NAMED RYAN BIRDWELL. AND WE ALMOST LOST BRIAN BIRDWELL IN 2001. HE WAS IN THE PENTAGON WHEN THE PLANE HIT. TO BE BLUNT, BOTH THESE GENTLEMEN HAD A FOOT IN THE GRAVE IN 2001.

BUT WHAT DEFINES DAVID AND DEFINES THE SAME THING THAT DEFINES SENATOR BIRDWELL, THEY DID NOT LET THAT SINGLE DAY IN THEIR LIFE DEFINE WHO THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD.

SO FOR THE NEXT 21 YEARS, YOU GET THE IMPRESSION WITH DAVID, AND ALSO THAT SENATOR, THEY WANTED TO SHALL DEFINED BY THE DAYS AFTER THAT EVENT. THEY WANT TO BE DEFINED BY WHAT THEY MIGHT VERY WELL DO TOMORROW AND SO I WAS PROUD TO TALK TO HIM UP THERE -- AT THE BOARD ABOUT DAVID AND WHAT HE DOES EVERY DAY IN THIS COURTHOUSE. DAVID HAS AN EXTREME COMMITMENT TO HIS FAMILY, TO HIS FAITH, AND TO THIS AGENCY AND TOP THIS COUNTY. AND HE DEMONSTRATES THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY. WHETHER HE IS RELOCATING HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM A FALLEN SHELTER -- THE FALLEN HEROES MEMORIAL OR WHETHER HE IS ANSWERING QUESTIONS OR GIVING DIRECTIONS INSIDE THIS COURTHOUSE.

HE IS -- EVEN I AM THE ELECTED, HE IS VERY MUCH THE FACE OF THE AGENCY INSIDE THIS COURTHOUSE AND I REMEMBER THAT EVERY DAY AND I AM EXTREMELY APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT DAVID DOES.

SHORT OF CALL HIM SAINT DAVID, IT IS GREAT TO SEE HIM REACH INTO HIS POCKET AND DELIVER A PRAYER CARD OR REESE ROW TO PEOPLE IN NEED. DAVID, YOU RECEIVE THAT RECOGNITION STATEWIDE AND VERY HONORED THAT YOU ARE A MEMBER OF OUR AGENCY. THANK YOU, SIR.

[APPLAUSE] -- SHERIFF, NOTHING WILL GIVE ME GREATER PLEASURE THAN TO DO THIS, BUT CERTAIN THINGS JUST AREN'T RIGHT. I WILL BRING THIS TO YOU.

YOU NEED TO PRESENT THIS TO HIM. HOLD ON.

THAT PICTURE IS JUST TOO PERFECT.

I WANT YOU TO GIVE IT TO HIM. BECAUSE THAT PICTURE IS PERFECT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET'S GET BEHIND HIM.

CAN WE DO THAT? WE WANT TO YOU SPEAK, DAVID.

>> HE GAVE A GREAT SPEECH UP IN FORT WORTH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WAIT, FOR PAPAR

PAPARAZZI. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THOSE

HATS ARE COVERING US. >>JUDGE CANALES: DEPUTY.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE CANALES AND COMMISSIONERS VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU, SHERIFF HOOPER, CHIEF COOK, CHIEF BETTIS, MY CAPTAIN, GARCIA. EVERY DAY I WAKE UP AND I THINK I AM A BLESSED MAN. EVERY DAY I WAKE UP I THANK GOD FOR ALL MY BLESSINGS. I THANK GOD THAT I HAVE

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BEAUTIFUL WIFE, PATSY. LAURA -- SHE IS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE. SHE IS IS A PROBATION OFFICER FOR US AND HER WONDERFUL HUSBAND, ERIC, HE IS A DOCTOR AND WORKS AT THE WELLNESS CLINIC AND HELPS THE COMMUNITY.

I AM BLESS WITH A WONDERFUL FAMILY.

MY FAMILY DOESN'T STOP THERE, THE SHERIFF, CHIEF DAVID COOK, YOU KNOW, MY CAPTAIN AND ALL OF MY OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY ARE MY BROTHERS AND MY SISTERS. THAT IS WHY I'M HERE.

BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN MY LOWEST TIME IN MY LIFE, WHEN I WAS FIGHTING FOR MY LIFE, THEY WERE ALL OUT THERE PRAYING FOR ME, SUPPORTING ME. COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW ALL OF YOU VERY WELL AND ALL OF YOU ALSO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ME.

AND COMMISSIONER, I KNOW YOU PRAYED FOR ME WHEN I WAS SHOT.

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, ALSO, AND YOUR SON AND FAMILY.

COMMISSIONER MAREZ, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, ALL OF YOU ALL.

I THANK ALL OF YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING HERE WITH ME.

SO THIS IS MY FAMILY. AND I AM REALLY PROUD TO LIVE IN CORPUS CHRISTI WHICH IS THE FINEST CITY IN THE WORLD, NOT IN THE COUNTRY, BUT IN THE WORLD. AND I WORK FOR THE FINEST COMMUNITY AND FOR THE FINEST COUNTY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND THAT IS NUECES COUNTY. AND I AM PROUD OF ALL OF OUR CITIZENS BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS ALSO SUPPORT US VERY MUCH HERE.

THEY SUPPORT OUR BUILT. AND THEY SUPPORT OUR FIRST -- OUR MILITARY, THEY SPORT OUR FIRST RESPOND ARE FIRE FIGHTERS, PARAMEDICS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

I AM PROUD TO SAY THIS COMMUNITY IS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY FOR US AND THAT IS WHY IT IS AN HONOR FOR ME TO SERVE FOR 37 YEARS IN THIS COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT IS MY FAMILY.

AND I LOVE EVERYBODY HERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS ALWAYS BEEN WONDERFUL TO ME AND MY FAMILY.

AND I THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY TO SEE ME GET THIS AWARD. IT MEANS A LOT.

I RECEIVED MANY AWARDS IN MY TIME BUT THIS ONE MEANS A LOT BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS WHAT I DO HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I HOPE WE CAN HIRE A LOT OF MORE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN TO COME WORK FOR US BECAUSE LIKE SAID, WE HAVE THE FINEST DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, DA DAVID.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS COMING. COMMISSIONERS WANT -- WANT TO

HAVE A FEW WORDS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU KNOW, DAVID, I HAVE KNOWN YOU AND YOUR FAMILIARLY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND WE HAVE HAD MANY CUPS OF

COFFEE. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AND BREAKFASTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

YOU -- THAT AWARD IS YOU. THAT AWARD IS YOU.

COULDN'T HAPPEN TO A FINER PERSON.

YOU KNOW, FINER PERSON. AND SHERIFF, YOU KNOW -- YOU TALKED ABOUT IN THIS COURTHOUSE THAT HE REPRESENTS YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE. I HAVE SEEN, DAVID, WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT, HE GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND TO HELP SOMEBODY NOT ONLY FOR DIRECTIONS BUT TO GET THEM TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING.

AND EVEN GOING OUTSIDE TO SHOW THEM HOW TO GET TO THE BUS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT IS DAVID.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT IN TIMES, DAVID, YOU HAVE GIVEN ALSO HELP TO THOSE WHO ARE HOMELESS. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE.

AND THAT IS PASSION. YOU HAVE A PIG HEART, YOU KNOW.

SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU SYSTEM AS FRIEND.

THANK YOU AS A BROTHER. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THIS COUNTY. FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, AND WE TALKED ABOUT RETIREMENT.

I DON'T THINK YOU ARE READY FOR THAT YET.

SO SHERIFF IS SAYING NO, NO, NOT YET.

SO -- BUT I THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, DAVID. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING KINDNESS, COMPASSION, YOU KNOW AND ALWAYS WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: DAVID, WHEN I SEE YOU, OBVIOUSLY THIS AWARD WAS MEANT FOR YOU.

BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS. I KNOW THAT IS AN IMPORTANT SCRIPTURE FOR ALL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND READ MANY TIMES OVER ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEONE IS FALLEN IN LINE OF DUTY.

I REMEMBER THAT DAY. I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY REMEMBERS THAT DAY WHEN YOU PUT EVERYTHING ON THE LINE. AND I KNOW YOU ARE THANKFUL TO GOD. AND I AM THANKFUL TO GOD THAT YOU ARE STILL WITH US AND SHARE -- YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS COMMUNITY LOVES YOU, BUT IF YOU PUT DAVID GARCIA'S CLIP ON A RADIO OR TV COMMERCIAL, THAT MIGHT REALLY HELP US SPIKE

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EFFORTS. BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL REALIZE THAT WE DO HAVE ONE OF THE FINEST LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HERE.

AND PEOPLE LIKE DAVIDND OTHERS WHO PUT YEARS AND YEARS OF SERVICE HERE TO THE COUNTY AND PUT IT LITERALLY ALL ON THE LINE. THAT CAN'T BE -- THAT CAN'T BE BOUGHT ANYWHERE ELSE. I THINK THAT PEOPLE SEE THE COMMITMENT THAT YOU, SHERIFF AND YOUR DEMAND STAFF AND OTHERS BEFORE YOU HAVE MADE. AND THAT -- DAVID REALLY JUST EXEMPLIFIES THAT IN HIS WORK. EVERY DAY.

YOU CAN TELL HE IS HAVING A GREAT DAY AND HE IS DOING WHAT HE LOVES. SO, DAVID, WE THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE. AND THIS REWARD, WE KNOW, IS SOMETHING THAT. YOU ARE A PEACEMAKER EVERY STAY IN THE SITUATIONS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERY DAY.

DEESCALATING SITUATIONS THAT CAN IMMEDIATELY GET OUT OF HAND.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO FOR US.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY SAID IT ALL, DAVID.

BUT THERE IS A REASON THAT GOD KEPT YOU AROUND.

AND OBVIOUSLY NOT TO GET THAT AWARD, BUT FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE -- WHAT THAT AWARD REPRESENTS.

YOU TOUCHED A LOT OF LIVES AT THE TIME HE SAVED YOU ON THIS EARTH AND WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE AND I ECHO MY COLLEAGUES' SENTIMENTS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.

>>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: DAVID, I KNOW YOU FOR A LONG TIME.

I REMEMBER THE NIGHT MY SON CALLED ME AND SAID WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO YOU. BUT HE ALSO SAID THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO HELP SOMEONE. GIVE THEM DIRECTIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, JUST CAUGHT YOU OFFGUARD.

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE A KIND HEART.

YOU ARE A GOOD MAN AND WILLING TO HELP ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.

AND I THINK IT WILL BE HARD TO -- IF YOU EVER DO DECIDE TO RETIRE TO REPLACE A PERSON LIKE YOURSELF.

AND, AGAIN, I SEE YOU WORK OUT HATE AT NIGHT WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING, PUTTING UP SIGNS FOR YOURSELF.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY APPLAUDS YOU.

I SEE YOU IN CHURCH JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER DAY.

SO, DAVID, AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOU. IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU, MY SON WOULDN'T HAVE THE GUIDANCE HE HAD WHEN HE CAME IN TO WORK WITH A THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL, THEY HAD DEPUTIES GUARDING ME.

WHEN RODNEY WAS THERE -- SERGEANT HERNANDEZ BECAUSE HE IS A DPS TROOPER NOW. BUT WHEN HE WAS WITH US AND WORKING PATROL WITH ME. HE WOULD GO THERE AT NIGHT, I KNEW I WAS IN GOOD HANDS BECAUSE I KNEW HE WOULD TAKE PROPER CARE AND NO ONE WILL COME IN THERE AND TRY TO HURT ME AND EVERYTHING. YOUR SON WAS ALSO THERE FOR ME.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR FAMILY VERY MUCH AND LOVED YOUR FAMILY

VERY MUCH AND THANKED THEM. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ:

APPRECIATE THOSE KIND WORDS. >>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, DEPUTY, I THINK IT SPEAKS VOLUME THAT YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE HERE WITH YOU. IT IS ONLY FIT THAT SHERIFF HOOPER, A FELLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND YOUR BOSS GIVE YOU THAT AMAZING RECOGNITION. NOW IT IS TIME FOR THE WORLD TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PEACEMAKER AMONGST US.

AND I THINK FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, ONE OF THE GREATEST TRIBUTES THAT YOU CAN SAY ABOUT YOURSELF AND THAT YOU ARE DOING GOOD IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND GRATEFUL THAT YOU ALWAYS HAD THAT SPIRIT ABOUT YOU AND NOW THE REST OF TEXAS ACKNOWLEDGES IT WELL. THANK YOU FORSAKING SUCH GOOD CARE OF US. WHEN I SAY "US" I MEAN NUECES.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THANK

YOU, DAVID. >> SEMPER PHI.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WONDERFUL. WE WILL MOVE ON TO GENERAL INFORMATION REPORTS. I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT -- IDAY HAS LET ME KNOW THERE ARE TWO REQUESTS -- DR. BLOW WHO NEEDS TO GET BACK TO THE HOSPITAL AT 10:00.

COMMISSIONERS AND SCOTT -- SORRY, SCOTT AND YOU ALL AS WELL? I AM WORKING -- HANG ON ONE SECOND. SCOTT, CAN YOU ALLOW ME THAT -- THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 4. OKAY.

STEP WE ARE DOING VERY WELL HERE ON TIME.

WE WILL SEE. Y, CAN YOU GIVE US A REPORT AND BE BRIEF. I CAN ALWAYS CALL YOU BACK LATER AND DOVETAIL STRAIGHT TO YOU FROM NOAA.

[I. GENERAL INFORMATION REPORTS:]

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BALK THAT DOVETAILS INTO OUR EMERGENCY REPORTS.

YOU GO AHEAD AND WE WILL CALL ON SCOTT CROSS, JE'SANI SMITH FOUNDATION FOUNDATION, NOAH, THE WHOLE WORKS.

>> YES, MA'AM, GOOD MORNING JUDGE CANALES AND COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS -- I WILL BE BRIEF TODAY.

NUECES COUNTY PARTICIPATED IN THE SOUTH SECTION AMSC AMISTAD FUNCTIONAL EXERCISE ON AUGUST 3 HELD BE U.S. COAST GUARD AND AIR STATION AT RICHARD M. BORCHARD. 2007 GREAT NEWS THAT NOVAVAX VACCINE AT STATE-RUN SITES. IN .

NOVAVAX IS A PROTEIN FOR INDIVIDUALS 18 AND UP WHO HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A COVID-19 VACCINATION.

OLD TECHNOLOGY. IT HAS BEEN AROUND 30 YEARS.

NO GENETIC MATERIAL. NO LIVE VACCINE IN THIS VACCINATION OF THIS OF FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED TO CONSIDER NOVA VAX AS AN OPTION. A SLIGHT UPPER TREND.

WE HAVE 95 NEW CASES. ONE NEW DEATH.

THE POSITIVITY RATE FOR COVID IN TEXAS IS A LITTLE LOW AT 25%.

COVID RISES DUE TO THE BA-5 AND IT IS HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.

ON TO THE MONKEYPOX UPDATE, BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS DECLARED MONEY POX A PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY WHICH ALLOWS US MORE FUNDS TO HELP MITIGATE THIS VIRUS.

THIS WAS DONE LAST WEEK. CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTY OF NUECES, THERE ARE NO CASES OF MONKEYPOX.

WORLDWIDE, IT HAS CONTINUED TO SPREAD.

THERE IS 9,000 CASES IN THE UNITED STATES.

LITTLE OVER 700 IN TEXAS. THERE ARE TWO VACCINES AVAILABLE. AND THERE IS MEDICATION, ANTI-VIRAL MEDICATION TO CARE AND TREAT FOR THOSE PATIENTS.

COOLING CENTERS ARE OPEN DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS IN NUECES COUNTY AVAILABLE TO KEEP CITIZENS COOL WHEN IT IS NEEDED.

OUR WEATHER IS HOVERING AROUND 1 MOUNTAIN DEGREES TODAY.

WE ARE LOOKING AT 105 TO 109 DEGREES WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGH HUMIDITY. WE ARE HOPING FOR SOME RAIN SOME TIME THIS WEEK. WE HAVE ONE DAY OF 50% CHANCE.

WE ARE STILL IN A DEEP DROUGHT. HERE IN TEXAS AND ESPECIALLY IN NUECES COUNTY. OUR MAXIMUM IS 751 AT THE KEACH BYRU YOU AREM INDEX WITH THE AVERAGE MEAN HAPPENING AROUND 700. THE BAND -- THE -- THE BAN, THE BURN BAN IN NUECES COUNTY IS EXPECTED TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER 6, THE NUECES COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TO CONTINUE THAT BURN BAN FOR COMMISSIONERS COURT AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT AS THE TIME COMES. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DO NOT. BUT ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS? THE ONLY THING I WILL ASK IS THAT -- AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY IN OUR CALL.

ALLOW THE COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW THAT THE ERAP 2 PROGRAM HAS BEGUN INTO OUR HANDS. IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE TRANSFERRED THAT FROM HAGERTY TO NUECES COUNTY AND MY UNDERSTAND THAT YESTERDAY OUR TRAINING BEGAN, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, MA'AM, THAT IS CORRECT. WE HAD A TRAINING SESSION YESTERDAY AND A NUMBER OF ATTENDEES FROM NUECES COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND ADULT SERVICES AND THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT. THEY WILL HAVE THEIR FOLLOW-UP TRAINING NEXT WEEK AND WE WILL START TAKING OVER THE ENTIRE PROGRAM FROM -- AND REBECCA ROCK IS THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THAT PROGRAM. SO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, I WOULD DIRECT HE

HER. >>JUDGE CANALES: FANTASTIC.

I WANTED YOU TO GIVE US THAT UPDATE INSIDE BECAUSE IT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY. AS WE MOVE TO A DISCUSSION OUTSIDE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND FOCUSED ON WEATHER AND RELATED MATTERS. I WILL ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES APPROVAL. THANK YOU, KATHY.

>> THANK YOU, HAVE A GOOD DAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: FORGIVE ME KATHY AND ONE LAST THING AND I MENTIONED THIS, IT IS QUICK.

THE GOVERNOR INCLUDED NUECES COUNTY UNDER HIS DROUGHT DECLARATION ON JULY 15 SO WE SHOULD KNOW THAT WE ARE INSIDE

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THAT DECLARATION. AND THAT'S -- WE ARE STILL -- I GUESS, THE ONLY SILVER LINE SOMETHING WE DON'T LOOK AS HORRIBLE AS 2011 BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS ANYTHING GREAT TO TALK ABOUT HIGHLY SERIOUS IN SOUTH TEXAS AND GIVES ME NO JOY TO SAY WE ARE AMONGST THE WORST. KEEP US POSTED ON OUR -- ON OUR

[J. Accept the following Minutes:]

STATUS. >> YES, MA'AM.

WILL DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

OKAY. MOVING FORWARD, MINUTES T THAT TARA SENT TO YOU. THEY MAY NOT BE IN THE POCKET BUT YOU GOT THEM ON E-MAIL LAST NIGHT.

I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THEM OVER.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MOVED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION, A SECOND?

>>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, ALL

[2. CONSENT AGENDA: The following Agenda Items are of a routine nature, and the Commissioners Court has received supporting materials for consideration. All of these Agenda Items will be passed with one vote without being discussed separately, unless a member of the Commissioners Court or the public requests that a particular Agenda Item be discussed. If so, that Agenda Item will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed as part of the regular Agenda at the appropriate time. One vote will approve the remaining items on the Consent Agenda.]

THOSE IN FAVOR, SIS ANY PHI BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. I WILL MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES.

ONE THAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IDENTIFIED.

ON THE P CARD. >> I DON'T REMEMBER THAT ONE IS

SUPPOSE TO GO TO AND PULL 2-C. >>JUDGE CANALES: 2-C GETS PULLED. THE P -- YOU DON'T HAVE A

REFERENCE. >> NORMALLY P CARD IS A REPORT WE PROVIDE FOR YOU AND USUALLY NORTHWEST PART OF THE CONSENT.

NO REPORT AT THIS TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOT PART OF THE

CONSENT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT THE P CARD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BACK IN ONE OF THESE

ITEMS. >> USUALLY THE P CARD SR. A SEPARATE DOCUMENT WE PROVIDE TO YOU AND BECAUSE OF REGULAR CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION. I BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING ON

THE CONSENT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR CLARIFICATION, WE DO THAT ONCE A MONTH.

>> ONCE A MONTH. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOTHING ELSE.

2-C. ANYBODY ELSE?

>>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: G. >>JUDGE CANALES: G AS IN GIRL.

GOT IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT DID

YOU PULL? >>JUDGE CANALES: LETTER G AS IN GIRL. AND A MOTION FOR A-F AND J-Q.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SO MOVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY. TAKE IT IN ORDER, 2-C.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE ONLY THING I NEEDED TO PULL OUT OF C AND TABLE BECAUSE THIS WAS AN ISSUE.

WE DISCUSSED ON DR. FERNANDEZ'S DOCTOR I REALLY NEEDED -- TAKE

IT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. >>JUDGE CANALES: TAKE TO

EXECUTIVE AND MAKE A DECISION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A DECISION TO PULL C -- PULL THE FERNANDEZ INVOICE OUT OF C TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THAT NOT BE VOTED ON AS PART

OF KRRNGZ. >> ITEM 6 ON THE LIST IF I AM

CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM JUST LOOKING AT THE INVOICE. I HAVE THE INVOICE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY

BECAUSE IT HELPS IN THE MOTION. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE.

CAN YOU JUST PULL C AND TAKE WHATEVER YOU NEED TO EXECUTIVE AND BRING IT BACK AND PASS IT IN ONE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SURE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE MOTION HAS

BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LEAVE C

OUT FOR RIGHT NOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

LEAVE C OUT FOR NOW. ALL IN FAVOR OF DOING SO AND TAKE IT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

[G. Approve renewal with Aetna Life Insurance Company under Boon-Chapman Benefits Administrators for RFP No. 3109-19 Aggregate and Specific Re-Insurance (Stop Loss) as part of the employee Health Plan of medical & pharmacy benefits.]

NOW WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM G, AND I WILL MOVE TO COMMISSIONER MAREZ. AND ALSO TOMAS IS HERE IN CASE YOU NEED A RESOURCE ON THIS ITEM.

THE REINSURANCE RENEWAL FOR AETNA.

BOONE CHAPMAN AND -- SHALL WE START WITH THE EXPLANATION OR JUST A QUESTION. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HANDLE IT?

>> SO IS THE REINSURANCE. I KNOW WHEN WE STOP WITH STOP LOSS, AT EAST FROM WHAT I REMEMBER IN THE PAST AND IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, IF YOU EVER CHANGE TYPICALLY A PROBLEM BETWEEN PAIN, THE STOP LOSS, IF YOU CHANGE.

BUT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CHANGING, THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY ISSUE OF COVERAGE. BECAUSE I KNOW IF YOU GO FROM COMPANY A TO COMPANY B ONLY CERTAIN TIME THAT STOP LOSS IS COVID AND ONLY B PICKS UP THE REST.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE THERE? >> NO, IT IS NOT.

HAPPENS -- DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF CONTRACT YOU HAVE.

AND THE CONTRACT YOU HAVE IS NOT THAT WAY.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: NOT THAT WAY.

>> INCURRED IN MAY IS HOW THEY ARE DISCUSSED.

YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF IT REAL QUICK.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: YES, PLEASE.

>> THREE OPTION OF OPTIONS TO COLLECT FROM.

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A BRIEF DISCUSSION ON THE COUNTY AUDITOR AND WE ARRIVE AT THE SAME CONCLUSION. TAKE THE ONE WITH A LOWER MEDIUM EVEN THOUGH A HIGHER EXPOSURE. AND -- I CAN OPEN IT UP AND GO FROM IT CAREFULLY AND IN MORE DETAIL, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT WILL PROVIDE YOU A REDUCTION IN PREMIUM FOR WHAT YOU ARE OCCURRING TO PAYING. AND IT WOULD INCREASE YOUR EXPOSURE TO SOME EXTENT AND NOT SIGNIFICANT AND BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, WE SHOULD NOT BE MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND I CAN GIVE YOU THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE -- YOUR LOSSES. BUT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YOU HAVE BASICALLY HAD A REIMBURSEMENT OF THE SAME INSURANCE COMPANY AETNA OF APPROXIMATELY $1.5 MILLION WHEN YOU HIT STOP LOSSES AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE IT.

IT IS OVER FIVE YEARS, $1 MILLION AHEAD IN PREMIUM VERSUS LOSSES. BUT THAT IS NOT A LOT AGAIN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HAVE. I HAVE IT DON'T KNOW IF.

>> AND ON THAT, $12 MILLION IS ALWAYS THE NUMBER I EVER KNOWN.

ANY TIME THAT I -- I EVER REVIEWED AND HEARD ABOUT -- ABOUT COVERAGE, ABOUT -- ABOUT THE AGGREGATE.

IS THAT JUST THE NUMBER THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE? SEEMS LIKE IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND DOES THAT CONDITION TO BE THE -- CONTINUE TO BE THAT. WE GET CLOSER BEING THAT NOWADAYS COMPARED TO TEN YEARS AGO.

>> YOU ARE TALKING OF S PIC AND THE DEAGGREGATE.

ONE IS S PIC, WHICH IS IN REGARD TO A CLAIM, AN INDIVIDUAL CLAIM OR EMPLOYEE. APPEAR THAT THE ONE YOU ARE SUGGESTING YOU GO FROM -- LET ME SEE THERE.

395 TO 425. THAT YOU INCREASE YOUR MAXIMUM LOSSES AFTER BEING REINSURED FULLY BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY MANAGEABLE. BUT THAT BASICALLY INCREASES YOUR LIABILITY BY $50,000 PER LARGE CLAIM.

HISTORICALLY NO MORE THAN THREE, OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THE RATES ACTUALLY DROPPED?

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I AM

READING THAT RIGHT? >>JUDGE CANALES: I KNOW.

[LAUGHTER] >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: USUALLY

THE OTHER WAY. >> THE WHOLE POINT.

WE ARE INCREASING THE LIABILITY TO WHAT -- MORE THAN -- THE LIABILITY IS GOING TO INCREASE, BUT SELDOM HIT IT, OKAY.

HISTORICALLY. SO YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO HAVE A NET REDUCTION IN PREMIUMS.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: THAT IS GOOD.

CAN WE DO SOMETHING ON THE DENTAL ITEM.

>> YOU DID ALREADY. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: DID WE? WE CHANGED THAT? I SAW QUESTIONS ON BILLINGS AND

OTHER ISSUES AND DELAYS. >> IT WAS A DISASTER.

IN FACT SEVERAL OF YOU IN THIS ROOM -- I WON'T SAY WHO, BUT SEVERAL YOU HAD THOSE SAME PROBLEMS.

AND, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: MOTION

FORTE APPROVAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

GNAW, TOMAS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OKAY. DOING VERY WELL HERE.

SCOTT CROSS, WE WILL HONOR YOUR REQUEST FOR THE NATIONAL:WEATHER

[4. Receive a presentation from the Je'Sani Smith Foundation in partnership with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), National Weather Service, Visit Corpus Christi, and Coastal Parks on a new "Wave Safe Initiative" program being launched along Nueces County beaches.]

SERVICE. YOU BET.

CALL ITEM 3-A-4. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I REALLY NEVER ASK TO DO THIS.

BUT WITH THEIR TIME SAKE, THEY HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE NOAH

OFFICE. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THIS PROGRAM. PRESENT THIS TO YOU.

THE FIRST TIME WE ARE ROLLING THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC MEETING.

PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE HEARING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN QUIETLY WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO PUT THIS TOGETHER TO BENEFIT SAFETY OF OUR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS GOING TO OUR BEACH. IT IS GOING BASICALLY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. AND SO WE HAVE KIND OF PARTNERED WITH THE MUCH IF JE'SANI SMITH FOUNDATION FOUNDATION.

NOAA, THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND BUCKNER, OCEAN POSITIVE. IS HE ONLINE? HE MAY OR MAY NOT BE. OKAY, SO WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS A PROGRAM WITH MESSAGING AND POSTERBOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE GOT THESE POSTERS.

AND THEY HAVE GOT A CHIP IN THEM THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR CELL PHONE ON TO GET MORE INFORMATION. THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL ALSO BE PRESENTED -- PUT UP AT OUR OBSERVATION DECK IN PORT A.

THE ONE SAFETY FEATURE WE TALK ABOUT DOING.

WE WILL HAVE THESE IN COASTAL PARK FACILITIES AND LET MELISSA

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COME UP HERE WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT TO US AND I KIND OF PASSED IT OFF TO KIWANA AT THE JE'SANI SMITH FOUNDATION FOUNDATION. I AM DELIVERY BUT YOU TAKE IT

FROM HERE. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE CANALES

AND COMMISSIONERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOOD MORNING.

>> MELISSA AND THE WARNING METEOROLOGIST WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE NEAR CORPUS CHRISTI.

WHAT SCOTT SO WONDERFULLY INTRODUCED IS A PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH A GROUP KNOWN AS BC OCEAN POSITIVE, THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, THE JE'SANI SMITH FOUNDATION FOUNDATION AND NUECES COUNTY AND VISIT CORPUS CHRISTI.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT BEACH SAFETY. WE HAVE SIGN THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED TO SHOW THIS WHOLE PICTURE LOOK AT BEACH SAFETY.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT DOES IS PROVIDES MESSAGING TO RESPECT THE OCEAN AND UNDERSTAND ITS HAZARDS.

STAY AWARE IF THEY ARE AT THE SHORE AND PAY ATTENTION TO CHANGING CONDITIONS AND TAKE TEN.

AND PROVIDE A LOT OF INSTRUCTIVE INFORMATION FOR LOCATIONS THAT PEOPLE CAN VISIT AROUND NUECES COUNTY TO REMIND THEM OF HOW TO ESSENTIALLY MAINTAIN SITUATIONAL AWARENESS WHILE AT THE BEACH.

AND A REALLY GOOD JOB TO NOT ONLY INFORM RESIDENTS OF HOW TO STAY SAFE, BUT ALL THE VISITORS THAT COME TO OUR BEACHES AS WELL. LIKE SCOTT MENTIONED, WE HAVE A PLACARD IF YOU HOLD YOUR PHONE UP TO IT.

AND I WILL TRY RIGHT NOW -- WE WILL SEE IF IT WORKS.

ESSENTIALLY IF WE HOLD OUR PHONE UP TO IT, WE WILL HAVE A WEB PAGE THAT POPS UP THAT WILL BRING US TO THE BC OCEAN POSITIVE WEB PAGE AND A JOINT PAGE WE CREATED WITH ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN NUECES COUNTY THAT VISITOR CAN GET LOCAL INFORMATION ON FROM RIP CURRENT INFORMATION FROM THE JE'SANI SMITH FOUNDATION FOUNDATION OR INFORMATION FROM OUR OFFICE OR INFORMATION OF OUR NUECES COUNTY BEACHES.

WE ARE OUT HERE TO PUSH AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE WITH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS WHILE THEY ARE AT THE BEACH.

I DO WANT TO MAKE NOTE THIS IS THE FIRST COUNTY IN TEXAS HAS TAKEN ON THIS PARTNERSHIP. THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THEY TRIED TO ROLL OUT NATIONWIDE AND NUECES COUNTY IS LEADER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS BEACH SAFETY INITIATIVE.

WE WANTED TO MAKE THE COURT AWARE OF SOME OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT THESE GROUPS ARE DOING BEHIND THE SCENES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: FANTASTIC. SARAH CARNEY, WELCOME.

HI. >> YES, I AM SARAH CARNEY, I AM THE VP OF PUBLIC RELATIONS WITH THE JE'SANI SMITH FOUNDATION FOUNDATION. WE ARE ECSTATIC TO BE PARTNERING WITH NOAA NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND VISIT CORPUS CHRISTI TO ROLL THIS OUT. ANOTHER CHAPTER IN OUR WORK WITH THE FOUNDATION OF IMPROVING RIP CURRENT AWARENESS AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THE RISK WHEN THEY DECIDE TO PARTAKE IN ACTIVITIES ALONG THE COAST. WE LOVE OUR COAST AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE HERE AND BE VISITING AND BE SAFE.

SO, WE ARE WORKING NOW TO GET THESE SIGNS OUT WHERE PEOPLE CAN VIEW THEM. YOU KNOW GREAT PLACES LIKE WHERE THEY ARE STANDING ONLINE AND CAN REALLY BE READING THROUGH IT.

AND IN THE FUTURE WE WILL HAVE THIS ON OUR WEB SITE AS WELL.

OUR WEB SITE WILL LINK DIRECTLY TO THESE SIGNS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH, I HAVE TO SAY I THINK THE MARKETING IS REALLY CREATING SATURATION. I AM SEEING IT, READING IT, FEELING IT EVERYWHERE. AND THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES IN ORDER TO REALLY TO GET PEOPLE TO READ IT AND ABSORB IT.

YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT SPRINKLED. AND I THINK THIS IS, YET ONE MORE INFORMATION KIWANA, IT IS AWESOME AND WE WILL DO THAT WITH OUR PHONES TOO. FANTASTIC.

KIWANA. >> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO COMING AND SHARING OUR LATEST AND GREATEST AND NEW PARTNERSHIPS BECAUSE IT -- THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE -- TO HELP PEOPLE STAY SAFE AT OUR BEACHES IS THE PARTNERSHIP -- YEAH, THANK YOU -- FOR POST THAT UP. THESE SIGNS COME IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. WE, UNFORTUNATELY, DID NOT BRING ONE TODAY. HOWEVER, IF THIS IS JUST A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY WITH VISIT SFCH CORPUS CHRISTI, NUECES COUNTY, NOAA, NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, CORPUS CHRISTI, OCEAN POSITIVE. THIS IS HOW WE WILL FURTHER OUR MISSION AND ENABLE US TO REACH MORE PEOPLE.

AND BY REACHING MORE PEOPLE. THANK YOU.

IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO TEST THIS OUT, I WILL TELL YOU IF YOU HAVE AN IPHONE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FIND THE SWEET SPOT AND COME OVER HERE AND MOVE IT AROUND AND IT WILL POP UP AND ASK YOU TO OPEN UP IN OKLAHOMA OR PARTICULAR -- THE -- THE PAGE -- YEAH, BROWSER, YEAH, THANK YOU, OF YOUR CHOICE.

AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE AN ANDROID, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO

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IN YOUR SETTINGS AND CLICK ON NFC.

THAT WILL ENABLE YOU TO -- ENABLE YOUR PHONE TO READ THE CHIP THAT IS BEHIND THE POSTER. SO, AGAIN, THE LATEST AND GREATEST TECHNOLOGY. THERE IS MORE TO COME.

I AM NOT GOING TO EXPOSE ALL OUR SECRETS TODAY, BUT THERE IS MORE TO COME. BRUCKNER WITH OCEAN POSITIVE HAS BEEN GREAT. NOAA HAS BEEN GREAT.

AND MORE TO COME. WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND, AGAIN, CHANGE THE MIND SET TO CHANGE THE DECISION MAKING, CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR, AND, AGAIN, KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: SAVING LIVES.

SCOTT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, MELISSA. ONE OF THESE DAYS I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE SAHARAN DUST. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I GUESS GRATEFULNESS IS WHAT WE HAVE GOT. IT IS DOING SOMETHING STRANGE.

SO I -- I AM EXCITED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.

KEEPING THINGS CALM. THANK YOU.

GETTING BACK IN OUR ORDER AND I AM MINDFUL, IDAY.

I AM WATCHING MY TIME. I AM GOING TO CALL UP -- LET'S SEE HERE. I WILL CALL UP --

[1. Discuss 1115 waiver, current status, eligible uses and related matters.]

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, SHOULD WE DO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: 3-A-1. AGAIN THE TIME THAT I AM WATCHING FELLAS, EVERYBODY UP HERE IS -- IS THE 10:00 HOUR FOR DR. BLOW, BUT FOR NOW, THE IDEA IS IDAY WAS GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE DISCUSSION OF THE 1115 WAIVER, HE WILL I BELIEVE USES AND LAST COURT, WE SAID WE NEED SOME TIME.

AND IDAY, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE.

>> YES, I GOT THE RESPONSE. AND THEN EXPECT THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE FUNDS AND WE CAN UTILIZED THE FUNDS HOWEVER THE COUNTY DECIDES TO USE THEM.

WE ARE GOOD USING THOSE FUNDS. IF WE WANT TO TRANSFER THEM TO THE CITY, WE CAN DO IT. I SENDS -- YESTERDAY I GOT A CONFIRMATION AND I SENT AN E-MAIL TO ALL OF THE

COMMISSIONERS COURT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT

1.7 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION BASED ON THAT

REPRESENTATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS ANOTHER ITEM, GUYS. YOU WILL GET THAT CHANCE.

NUMBER 2. GIVE KNEE JUST A SECOND.

>> TO UPDATE HOW TO USE THE FUNDS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DR. DANTE GONZALEZ IS HERE.

IMMOVE ON TO NUMBER 2, OKAY. FOR KARA'S SAKE.

[2. Discuss and consider approving use of 1115 Waiver funds for the 2022-23 fiscal year between Nueces County and the City of Corpus Christi pursuant to Section 4 of the Amended Cooperative Agreement for City-Operated Corpus Christi-Nueces County Public Health District and related matters.]

ITEM NUMBER 2, TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE 1115 FUNDS FOR 2022-'23 FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI NUECES COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT AND A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TRANSFER AND ONE WOULD NORMALLY RUN AT THIS POINT, DANTE, SINCE THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT -- OH, YOU ARE NOT SO LUCKY.

GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. COMMISSIONER, CAN I HAVE THAT

MOTION NOW? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS MY MOTION. YES, MA'AM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AND THEN SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF THE $1.7 UNTIL TO THE CITY FOR THE 1115 WAIVER FUNDS AND

THE 1115 --? >>JUDGE CANALES: OH, NO, MY

GLASSES JUST BROKE. >> IT WAS FOR A DIFFERENT --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 1.5. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE KEPT SAYING THAT LAST TIME. 1.5.

>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARITY.

GIVE US 1.7. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM NO THE SO HAPPY ABOUT THE 1.5. I WILL TELL YOU WHY.

TIME GOING TO VOTE YES. BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I NEED.

WHAT I NEED IS TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF NUECES COUNTY.

YOU NEED TO GET A 1115 ADMINISTRATOR.

AND IT CAN'T BE THE DIRECTOR. IT CAN NOT BE.

SO WHAT I NEED TO KNOW, AT LEAST -- I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU 60 DAYS BECAUSE THE END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR.

I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY -- BECAUSE WE HAVE ENTRUSTED YOU ALL WITH THE OPERATIONS. BUT I DON'T SEE HOW YOU GUYS HAVE LIVED UP TO YOUR PROMISE. WE STILL DON'T HAVE A LOCAL HEALTH DIRECTOR WITH A BACKGROUND IN PUBLIC HEALTH.

WE DO NOT HAVE A 1115 ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THESE FUNDS CAN'T BE USED FOR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WHEN WE APPROVE LAST WEEK HAD THE 1.5 MILLION -- SORRY, THE $177 MILLION -- YOU GOT ME SAYING THAT, $1.7 MILLION FOR OUR PAYROLL, OUR PRO RATA SHARE OF IT, THAT IS TO PAY FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS ON YOUR EMPLOYEE LIST. THESE DOLLARS HAVE TO PAY FOR NEW PEOPLE BECAUSE WHEN THE 1115 WAIVER PROGRAM WAS ON LAST YEAR PRIOR TO -- THANK YOU -- PRIOR TO THE -- TO THE -- YOU KNOW, SEPARATION, WE HAD ANNUM NUMB WAIVER DEPARTMENT.

WE HAD A DIRECTOR. AND THEY HAD, I THINK, ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WORK WITH THEM. THAT NEEDS TO BE RE-ESTABLISHED.

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THAT IS -- SO NOT TO -- THAT IS TO BENEFIT OUR COUNTY AND A LOT OF COMPLIANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND MORE THAN THAT, THERE IS A PROGRAM TO RUN.

SO WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR -- AND, AGAIN, I WILL GIVE YOU 60 DAYS.

60 DAYS. THIS IS A GOOD FAITH VOTE ON MY PART THAT THIS CITY, COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT WILL GET ITS ACT TOGETHER AND HIRE THE PERSONNEL WITH THE APPROPRIATE RESUMES TO DO THIS GOOD WORK. SECONDLY, I AM GOING TO ASK WITHIN 60 DAYS A REAL DETAILED PLAN BE DELIVERED TO THIS -- THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT. BECAUSE THESE $1.5 MILLION IS NOT FOR, YOU KNOW -- NO, SIR FOR FUNSIES.

IT IS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF HELPING PEOPLE WHO WILL FALL IN THAT MEDICAID ELIGIBLE CATEGORY. AND NOW WE HAVE HEARD, DANTE, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- IT IS NOT JUST FOR DIABETES.

IT IS NO THE JUST FOR HYPERTENSION, IT IS FOR ANYTHING THAT DEVELOPS THAT FURTHERANCE OF PUBLIC HEALTH FOR THAT UNDERSERVED POPULATION. AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE SEEN NOTHING. AND BECAUSE THERE IS NOT EVEN AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ELIGIBLE USES FOR THE 1115 WAIVER, IT FRIGHTENS ME THAT IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERMISSIVE UNIVERSE IS, HOW CAN WE DEVELOP A PROGRAM THAT IS THE RIGHT ONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO BOTH.

YOU CAN HIRE THE STAFF AND MAY NOT USE THESE WAIVERS TO DUPLICATE SERVICES. THAT IS NOT PERMISSIVE.

IN OTHER WORDS, THESE DOLLARS WERE THE RIGHT DOLLARS FOR A PROGRAM THAT EXISTED WITH AT LEAST THREE EMPLOYEES UNDER THE 1115 WAIVER. NOW THOSE EMPLOYEES DON'T EXIST.

SO, AGAIN, I AM PUTTING YOU IN CHARGE BECAUSE YOU DECIDED TO REPRESENT AND WE NEED THAT INFORMATION BACK.

AND THE TRUTH IS 60 DAY IS A GET.

IT SHOULD BE WITH US WITHIN A WEEK.

BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THESE DOLLARS, WE SHOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR THE DOLLARS. AND I AM VERY, VERY MINDFUL THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE GREAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH THE 1115 WAIVER. BUT TRUST ME, WE FOUL VERY HARD TO GET THOSE EXTRA DOLLARS. FINALLY YOU HAVE A $800,000 CHARITY CARE FUNDS PROGRAM COMING IN.

I AM STILL CONCERNED THAT THE 1.5 MUD IS HAVE BEEN -- YOU MUD IS HAVE DEDUCTED THE CHARITY CARE PROGRAM.

BUT NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN GIVING YOU MONEY WITHOUT EXPLANATION. IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WITHIN 60 DAYS HOW THE CHARITY CARE PROGRAM OF $800,000.

GIVING YOU A TOTAL OF $2.3 MILLION CAN BE UTILIZED IN FURTHERANCE, THAT WILL BE GREAT. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DEDUCTED THE EXPECTATION OF THE 800,000 CHARITY CARE PROGRAM FROM THE 1.5. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

THOSE ARE MY REQUESTS. THEY ARE NOT MADE TO HURT.

THEY ARE MEANT TO ESTABLISH WHAT THE BAR SHOULD BE.

AND I FIND IT -- I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, COMMISSIONERS, SUPER CONCERNING THAT YOU WOULD JUST TRANSFER 1.5 MILLION WITHOUT ANY OF THESE IN PLACE WITH NO DIRECTOR, NO FINANCE, NO FINANCIAL BACK-UP AND QUITE FRANKLY NO PLAN.

AND THAT IS -- THAT IS REALLY NOT HOW WE DO IT.

THAT IS NOT HOW PUBLIC HEALTH IS DONE.

AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO -- TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE ISSUES. AND YOU HAD ALL WEEK.

FROM LAST WEEK TO THIS WEEK. NO E-MAIL.

NO TEXT. NO FLOWERS.

NO NADA. SO HERE WE ARE ONCE AGAIN IN THE SAME BOAT. AND YOU ALL SHOULD CONSIDER --

CONSIDER MENTAL HEALTH AS WELL. >> JUDGE, I AM GOING TO SEE IF I CAN REMEMBER EVERYTHING BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, START CAN --

>> I THINK YOU MADE A COUPLE OF ASSERTION THAT ARE QUITE NOT

TRUE. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S HEAR ONE.

>> WE HAVE A PLAN. I HAVE A PLAN IN FRONT OF ME.

06 DAYS -- WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS MAN SINCE MARCH 1.

WE HAVE MEETING WITH THE STATE AND SHSC AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED A PRETTY ROBUST PLAN ON HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.

NOT $800,000 WITHOUT SOME KINDS OF WORK.

WE HAVE TO PUT THE WORK FORWARD AND TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK.

AND WAIVER IS STILL ACTIVE IN THE HEALTH DISTRICT.

MEMBERS IN THE WAIVER PROGRAM THAT ARE STILL WORKING UNDER THAT PERMITS. WE ARE PROVIDING SERVICES WHEN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAS CLOSED.

SOME OF THE SERVICES WERE NOT PROVIDED.

NOW IT OPEN, WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY. NOT REDUNDANCY, BUT WHERE THE PEOPLE RELY ON THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE SERVICES AND WE HAVE. I -- QUITE FRANKLY I AM NOT SURE

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EXACTLY WHAT NUMBERS THAT IT IS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

WE DO HAVE A GOOD PLAN. WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON CHARITY CARE. I CAN PROVIDE ALL OF YOU WITH THE BINDER TODAY IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DO. I DO WANT TO SEE IT.

YOU HAVE CONFUSED ME. WHO IS YOUR 1115 ADMINISTRATOR.

LAST WEEK YOU DID NOT HAVE ONE. >> FOR NOW WE HAVE -- THE INTERIM DIRECTOR THAT WE ARE WORKING UNDER.

BUT HE IS THE INTERIM DIRECTOR. I AM ALSO THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE 1115 WAIVER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF YOUR SALARIES INSIDE OUR PORTION THAT WE APPROVED LAST WEEK.

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A SEPARATE 1115 WAIVER ADMINISTRATOR, WHO -- WHO -- IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

THE $1.5 MILLION BUDGET A YEAR AGO INCLUDED EMPLOYEES THAT WERE SPECIFIC TO THE 1115 WAIVER. NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT YOU AND THE INTERIM DIRECTOR ARE IN CHARGE OF THE 1115 WAIVER.

WHY SHOULD WE GIVE YOU SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE EMPLOYEES TO -- IT IS A DUPLICATION OF SERVICES.

EXPLAIN THAT. >> YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS, RIGHT. YOU A ALREADY APPROVED THE $1.7 MILLION, THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES NOT INCLUDING THE 1115 EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE 1115 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE STILL PROVIDING THE SERVICES. THAT WAS A SEPARATE FUND.

IF YOU REMEMBER THE 1377 ACCOUNT.

YOU ARE COMBINING TWO COUNTS WHICH ARE -- ACCOUNTS WHICH ARE

TWO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO I AM NOT.

OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEE WAS LE LEWIS NWILMONT.

THE BOTTOM LINE YOU DO NOT HAVE A 1115 ADMINISTRATOR.

YOU HAVE YOURSELVES THAT ARE DOING THE WORK.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US? >> WE ARE REDEVELOPING THE PROGRAM THAT WAS LEFT. SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARD THAT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS CHARITY CARE PROGRAM WILL YIELD YOU $800,000 -- YOU MORE OR LESS, $765.

>> THIS PROGRAM WILL YIELD THE AMOUNT OF MONEY -- THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE PROVIDE ON UNCOMPENSATED CARE.

RIGHT NOW YOU ARE MAKING A FIGURE THAT IS $800,000 AND YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT THE AMOUNT WE ARE GOING TO GET REIMBURSED.

WE STILL HAVE TO PUT THE WORK TOWARD IT AND GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE WE ARE PROVIDING THE RIGHT SERVICES AND RECEIVING THE CORRECT REIMBURSEMENT BASED ON THE WORK

WE HAVE PROVIDED. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU KNOW DOCTOR -- AND YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF THE 1115 WAIVER.

YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF THE 1115 WAIVER WHEN IT FIRST STARTED,

RIGHT? >> THE 1115 WAIVER HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. I WAS BEEN AROUND A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT YOU KEEP REFERRING TO. I NEVER REFER TO HIS NAME.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HILLS NAME WAS LEWIS WILMONT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WOULDN'T YOU JUST GO FORWARD.

I KNOW YOU -- YOU DON'T COME HERE TO ARGUE WITH ANYBODY.

WE GOT SOMETHING TO DO. LET'S WRITE IT TO THE CITY AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING.

IF YOU NEED 90 DAYS, I WILL GO NOR 90 DAYS.

I JUST -- MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DO.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THIS THING -- EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH THE CITY IS NOT RIGHT.

WE CONTINUE TO BRING UP PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT EVEN HERE.

PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WORKING WITH US ANYMORE.

I KNOW YOU WISH THEY WERE HERE, BUT THEY ARE NOT.

SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE FORWARD.

THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. THERE IS A SECOND.

WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE AND MOVE FORWARD.

IF SOMETHING YOU WANT TO WRITE TO THE CITY ASKING THEM TO RESPOND, THAT IS FINE. UP THOUGHT JEANNIE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS THING ALSO FROM THE NEGOTIATIONS.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. SO -- ANYWAY, I JUST THINK WE

NEED TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WILL DO THAT WHEN I AM READY, BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE PORTION OF DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A RULE HERE.

AND IT IS A GOOD RULE. AND THAT IS THAT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN APPRECIATED BEFORE. SO TECHNICALLY, WE SHOULDN'T EVEN VOTE UPON SOMETHING UNTIL WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS. AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH HOW

WE -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY ARE NOT ASKING -- THIS IS THE CHARITY CARE PROGRAM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HE SAID I HAVE A PLAN FOR THE 1115 WAIVER.

WHERE IS IT? >> THE 1115 WAIVER IS THE 1115 WAIVER. THIS IS THE PROGRAM THAT WILL SUPERSEDE THE 1115.PROGRAM GOING FORWARD.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE KEEPING OUR 1115 MONEY.

I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS GOING TO GO.

IN THIS NOTEBOOK. >>THE SAME SERVICES FOR 1115 IS THE SAME SERVICES WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HAVE BEEN IN PARKS AND REC THE PAST YEAR.

IS THAT TRUE? >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS

RELEVANT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT

-- I AM FOLLOWING INTERRUPT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS. YOU SAID HE KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NO, IT IS NOT. I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE BEING -- WE ARE NOT BEING TOLD ACCURATE INFORMATION.

AND I AM VERY UPSET ABOUT IT. BECAUSE YOU MADE A PROMISE.

YOU REPRESENTING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, YOU MADE A PROMISE

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TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE BETTER.

THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT, THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE MORE SERVICES. AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN --

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: A LOT BETTER NOW.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE SEEN WE HAVE NO HEALTH DIRECTOR.

NO HEALTH DIRECTOR. WE HAVE AN INTERIM HEALTH DIRECTOR. YOU HAVE NOBODY THAT HAS A MD QUALIFICATION POST SEPTEMBER 2 WORKING FOR YOUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND YOU HAVE A CHARITY CARE PROGRAM THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, YOU ARE ACTING LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING TO RECEIVE THE $800,000. WE JUST GOT THIS TODAY.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I DON'T THINK --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAD A MD BEFORE.

ANNETTE RODRIGUEZ WASN'T AN MD. WORKING ON APPEAR HEALTH DIRECTOR. THEY ARTICULATED.

THEY HAVE A PLAN. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY DON'T HAVE

A PLAN. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD. IF SHE LIKES TO BEAT ON YOU FOR THIS. UP DON'T I AGREE HE WITH WHAT SHE IS SAYING AND I APOLOGIZE THAT EVERY TIME YOU COME IN HERE, THIS HAPPENS TO YOU. I THINK YOU HAVE COME IN HERE AND PRESENTED INFORMATION IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.

YOU HAVE RESPONDED TO WHAT -- THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

THESE ARE -- SO I AM -- I AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: CAN YOU

EXPLAIN. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I JUST WANT TO SAY THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED WHICH I BELIEVE

ROBERTS RULE OF ORDER. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I CALL

THE QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU DON'T CALL THE QUESTION. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THAT IS NOT THE RULE. JUST SO YOU KNOW --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I FINISH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU ALLOW ME TO HAVE THE RULES.

LET ME RECOGNIZE YOU SO YOU CAN FINISH.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JENNY CAN ANTICIPATE -- AND AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU LEAVE AFTER THIS VOTE IS TAKEN, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BELIEVE THAT SHE SPEAKS FOR ME.

IF SHE SPEAKS FOR OTHERS, THEY CAN LET THAT GO.

BUT I DON'T APPRECIATE HOW YOU HAVE BEEN TREATED OR THE DEMEANOR OF WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN TREATED.

I HAD MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED. I AM READY TO MOVE FORWARD.

JENNY IF YOU WANT TO ARTICULATE -- I DON'T REALIZE THE PRESIDING OFFICER WHEN SHE DOESN'T WANT THE QUESTION TO BE CALLED SHE CAN OVERRULE THAT. I WOULD LIKE AN ARTICULATION -- OTHERWISE WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO CALL THE QUESTION BECAUSE WON'T STOP DEBATING ON THE ISSUE.

I NEED CLARIFICATION FROM YOU, JENNY, DUE DOCTOR, I WAS TRYING TO SIT HERE AND MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE I HAVE MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND I CAN'T SITS HERE AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO WALK OUT OF HERE THINKING THIS -- THAT THIS IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.

TIME JUST ARTICULATING THAT. I AM SORRY YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU.

AND I THINK YOU HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS AND I THINK YOU HAVE ANSWERED THEM AND PROVIDED WHAT WE NEED AND I THINK YOU ARE WORKING ON A PLAN. I HAD CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE FROM THE CITY REGARDING THIS REGARDING THE TIME SINCE WE TURNED THIS OVER AND CONFIDENT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SAND HOW YOU ARE DOING IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I'M NOT DOING OTHER THAN I HANDLE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MAN IN WHAT IS BEING DONE.

I HAD CONVERSATIONS AND I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

WE GAVE THE NUECES COUNTY MANAGER FOR THE WEEK TO MAKE SURE WE COULD DO THIS IN A LEGAL FASHION.

WE HAVE DONE THAT. SHE SAYS WE CAN.

I SAID LAST WEEK I WAS COMFORTABLE DOING IT THEN FOR THE REASONS I HAVE ARTICULATED. AND NOW I WANT -- IF JENNY, IF YOU CAN -- AND GO OUT. AND PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS WHEN COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ DID ATTEMPT TO CALL THE QUESTION.

I HAVE ASKED TO CALL THE QUESTION.

I AM JUST ASKING. JENNY, PLEASE ASH PARTICULAR

RATES ROBERT'S RULES. >>JUDGE CANALES: SHE CAN GIVE VISION, BUT THE WAY IT WORKS, WHEN WE CALL FOR DISCUSSION.

ROBERT'S RULES DO NOT PROMPT TEXAS LAW.

WE ARE IN A DISCUSSION. AND IF YOU CAN'T DISCUSS THE 1115 WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO TRANSFER 1.5 MILLION OF NUECES COUNTY, THERE IS A PROBLEM. THERE IS A PROBLEM.

AND THE CITIZENS AND THE RESIDENTS NEED TO ASK THEMSELVES WHY ARE WE TRANSFERRING MONEY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE INCHES.

IT IS YOUR MONEY. IT IS NUECES COUNTY'S MONEY TO MAKE CERTAIN. AND ALL I HAVE ASKED FOR IS A REASONABLE REQUEST SO YOU CAN BRING FORTH A PLAN FOR THE 1115 -- NO ONE EVEN HERE EVEN UNDERSTANDS THE 1115 WAIVER BECAUSE NOBODY EXPLAINS IT. NOBODY EXPLAINS IT.

IT IS JUST -- WE WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY.

AND ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE PA -- WE TRUSTED YOU IN CITY-COUNTY HEALTH TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.

SINCE LAST OCTOBER, ALMOST A YEAR HAS PASSED WHEN YOU ALL SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND IT IS NOT BETTER.

NOT BETTER BECAUSE YOU ARE -- YOU ARE CLOSING LOCATIONS FOR VACCINATIONS. YOU ARE CONSOLIDATING.

WE HAVE GOTTEN MANY COMPLAINTS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, DANTE -- WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS REGARDING SERVICES FOR SOME OF THE UNDERSERVED POPULATION AND WHY I AM ASKING FOR A PLAN IS THE 1115 WAIVER IS MEANT TO TARGET THAT.

AND I WANT TO SEE IT. AND I DON'T THINK ON THE DAY THAT YOU ARE ASKING TO TRANSFER THE MONEY IS TE PROP YACHT TO BRING THE PLAN -- -- IS APPROPRIATE TO BRING THE PLAN

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FORTH. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE VOTED WHY HE TO TRANSFER IT AND YES TO HAVE A 60-DAY OPPORTUNITY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A 1115 WAIVER ADMINISTRATOR ON TOP OF THE OTHER DUTIES YOU HAVE TO DO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS COURT SHOULD JUST ACCEPT THAT OR THE PEEP OF NUECES. -- OR THE PEOPLE OF NUECES.

YOU SHOULD WANT TO PUT FORTH A 1115 WAIVER TEAM.

WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME IS YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT, BUT WE PAID YOU FOR ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES IN ANOTHER BUCKET OF MONEY.

OUR REGULAR BUCKET OF MONEY SP PAYING -- YOU SAID THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON PAYROLL TODAY, RIGHT, ARE DOING THE WORK, INCLUDING YOURSELF AND THE INTERIM DIRECTOR.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: CAN I GET AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

UP SECONDED COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ'S CALL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ARE YOU SAYING I CANNOT ASK QUESTIONS ON A

RELEVANT MANNER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU DIDN'T LET JENNY ANSWER MY QUESTION AS MUCH CALLING THE QUESTION, 16.6, ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER THAT THE COURT HAS ADOPTED BUT FOLLOWS MOST OF THE TIME. SHOULD IMMEDIATELY CLOSE DEBATE UPON SECOND; HOWEVER, AT THAT THE -- THAT DOES SECONDARY IF THAT PERSON MAKING THE MOTION AND THE SECOND HAD THE FLOOR.

SO I AM NOT CLEAR ON WHEN THAT WAS DONE, WHETHER COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ HAD THE FLOOR. SO --

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I HAD THE FLOOR.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HE WAS TALKING AND I SECONDED IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WAIT A SECOND. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE RECORD WOULD REFLECT. THE RECORD WOULD REFLECTS I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF TALKING TO DR. DANTE AND ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. WHEN THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE ANSWERS OR THEY THINK THE ANSWERS ARE SUFFICIENT.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO NOT PURSUE DISCUSSION ON $1.5 MILLION.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IT IS NOT A DISCUSSION, IT IS AN

ARGUMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: IN YOUR

OPINION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: KIND OF

A BEATING ACTUALLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE JUST WILLING TO GIVE AWAY COUNTY MONEY LEFT AND RIGHT WITHOUT SO MUCH AS EVEN UNDERSTANDING THE VERY PROGRAM

YOU ARE GIVING IT TOO. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NOT TALKING OF GIVING MONEY AWAY, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU DO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

OPINION. >>JUDGE CANALES: AT ANY RATE, DR. DANTE, I AM LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR TO YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS AND I DON'T SEE THAT HAS BEEN DONE YET.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAS A PUBLIC HEALTH BACKGROUND, PERIOD. WEIGH DON'T -- IN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR POSITION. WE DON'T.

AND I THINK THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE.

AND I DON'T THINK THIS PLAN HAS BEEN -- HAS BEEN PRESENTED THAT WOULD MERIT AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT WOULD MERIT YOUR $1.5 MILLION. I THINK YOU CAN GET IT TO US IN 630 DAYS. ARE YOU WILLING TO GET IT TO US IN 60 DAYS, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS.

>> THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST A QUESTION.

A DISCUSSION. DO YOU THINK WE CAN GET A REAL PROGRAM FOR THE PEOPLE. OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE POOR AND UNINSURED AND CHRONICALLY ILL, CAN WE GET THAT TO JUSTIFY THE $1.5 MILLION? BECAUSE THIS IS DIFFERENT, SIR.

THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT MONEY. DO YOU AGREE THAT CHARITY CARE PROGRAM HAS ITS OWN DIFFERENT FUNDING?

>> IT DOES. >> DIFFERENT FUNDING COME FROM A

DIFFERENT SOURCE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S RIGHT.

1.5 MILLION IS OLD 1115 WAIVER. THIS IS NEW.

THIS REPLACES THE 1115 WAIVER. RIGHT.

>> THIS IS THE PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD.

THE $1.5 IS OLD MONEY, RIGHT? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO TAKE

CARE OF THE CURRENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: HOLD ON ONE

SECOND, OLD MONEY OR NOT? >> IT IS MONEY -- I AM 23409

SURE, THE 1.5. >>JUDGE CANALES: 1115.

THE NEW PROGRAM -- >> JUDGE, IF I MAY, I THINK YOU -- WE HAVE HAD THIS PROGRAM WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT SERVICES. I AM NOT SURE WHAT REDUNDANCY OF PROGRAMS YOU ARE REFERRING TO. WHAT I CAN SAY IS WHEN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAS OPEN, THE SERVICES PROVIDED, NOT JUST IN THE CITY BUT THE COUNTY. THESE SERVICES ARE NOT ONLY INCLUDED DIABETES BUT NUTRITION TALKS, YOU KNOW, IT ALSO INCLUDED BLOOD WORK DONE. IT ALSO INCLUDED INFORMATION AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST OF THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDED ON THERE. WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE.

YOU KNOW, WE -- SINCE THE REOPENING MUCH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON MARCH 1, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICES.

WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO 1 UNION WILL. A-1-C TESTS ALONE.

WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING.

1,000 BLOOD PRESSURE CHECKS ON THE COMMUNITY.

ALMOST 1,000 BMIS ON THE COMMUNITY.

THESE ARE SEPARATE FROM THE SERVICES WE ARE ALREADY PROVIDED

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WHICH WE ARE REFERRING AS A SIMILAR ACCOUNT.

NOT A SIMILAR BUT A 1115 WAIVER ACCOUNT.

WE DO THINGS THAT ARE TAILOR SPECIFIC.

AND COMMUNITY SOMETIMES THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SERVICES WE HAVE ASKING FOR ME TO CREATE A PLAN.

THE PLAN IS TO CONTINUE ALREADY WITH A WHAT WE ARE SERVICING AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 1115 TOWARD WHAT I JUST GIVEN YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM GOING TO TAKE THE VOTE AND I AM GOING TO CALL YOU AND I AM GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU.

BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID EXACTLY JUSTIFIES -- LAST WEEK YOU SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN. YOU SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN.

THAT THE PEOPLE BEFORE US -- >> NO MA'AM.

THERE WAS NO PLAN. YOU ASKED FOR A PLAN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU SAID WE WERE WORKING AND DOING ALL THESE GREAT THINGS AND NOW YOU NEED MORE MONEY WHEN WE HAVE BEEN

DOING ALL THESE GREAT THINGS. >> YOU ASKED ME ARE QUESTION.

I AM TRYING TO ANSWER IT. AND YOU ASKED ME A FOLLOW CONTINUE UP QUESTION. I AM -- I AM ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOU FOLLOW-UP WITH ANOTHER QUESTION, MA'AM.

YOU KNOW IT'S -- IT'S -- IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS WHEN -- WHEN YOU GIVE ME ONE AND THEN ANOTHER ONE AND

ANOTHER ONE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU CUT

HIM OFF AND. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME BE

HONEST. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE

MAN. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN FOOL EVERYBODY UP HERE AND NOT FOOLING ME.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT YOU AND I WILL HAVE TO HAVE A SIT-DOWN ABOUT THE 1115 WAIVER PLAN.

AND DESPITE ALL THE GOOD UP THAT THINK WE ARE DOING, WE ARE NOT MOVING THE NEEDLE. AND WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A REORGANIZATION GIVEN THE 1115 WAIVER HAS ENDED AND THIS NEW CHARITY CARE PROGRAM IS BEGINNING.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ASK YOU ONCE AGAIN TO CALL THIS VOTE. WILL YOU COMBHIT IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS TO SIT WITH ME AND WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO BE INVOLVED SO THAT WE CAN GET A REAL 1115 WAIVER PROGRAM WITH -- WITH REAL STAFF THAT IS DEDICATED TO THIS. BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY PAYING

FOR EVERYBODY ELSE OUR PRO RATA. >> YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME AND I WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO THE CURRENT 1115 MEMBERS THAT WE

ALREADY HAVE ETCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: HERE WE GO AGAIN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR --

>> I NEED TO CLARIFY FOR THE MINUTES.

60 DAYS PART OF THE MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO, KARA, IT IS NOT. IT IS CALLED WHETHER THEY WANT TO SHARE -- WHETHER THEY WANT TO CREATE A PROGRAM.

>> I AM JUST ASKING. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY ARE DOUBLE DIPPING AND WE ARE FOOLS BECAUSE WE ARE JUST GIVING IT AWAY WAY WITHOUT DOING ANY GOOD VETTING. THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP DURING THE -- DURING THE AMENDMENT.

AND IT WAS NEVER ADDRESSED. I HAVE SAID THIS TEN MILLION TIMES. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT LOSE HERE ARE OUR PEOPLE. OUR PEOPLE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY DO NOT LOSE.

MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN

FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY DO NOT LOSE. I DON'T AGREE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU AGREE OR NOT, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT IS MET FOR REAL DISCUSSION. NOT RUBBER STAMPING -- NOT

RUBBER STAMPING $1.5 MILLION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT DOES MATTER YOU DISREGARD EVERYBODY'S OPINION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NO I DON'T. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU DON'T LET THE MAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.

YOU CUT HIM OFF. IT GOES ON REPEATEDLY.

HE HAS PRESENTED THE PLAN. ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS AND HE HAS TAKEN THE BEATING WAY MORE THAN HE SHOULD HAVE AND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS A BEATING.

GIVE ME A BREAK. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU DON'T RESPECT WITH THE DEMEANOR YOU SAY HE WE SHOULD HAVE IN COURT AND IT SHOULDN'T CONTINUE -- I CALLED AND ASKED HIM QUESTIONS. THEY HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.

NOBODY IS RUBBER STAMP IT, JUDGE.

WE KNOW YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT. YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE MERGER.

ONLY ONE OF US WHO DOESN'T. THAT IS FINE.

I RESPECT THAT YOU DON'T. WHAT I DON'T APPRECIATE I DON'T WANT HIM TO WALK OUT THINKING -- ETCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS NOT WALKING OUT.

HE KNOWS EVERYBODY ELSE IS READY TO GIVE AWAY MONEY WITHOUT ANY VETTING. HE KNOWS THAT.

THEY KNOW THAT. THAT IS WHY THEY COME HERE BECAUSE YOU GUYS REQUIRE NOTHING.

YOU REQUIRE NOTHING. GOJZ GONZALEZ JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR GOJZ GONZALEZ HOLDS ON A MINUTE, PLEASE. YOU MADE A STATEMENT THEY WERE GIVING US INADEQUATE ANSWERS. THIS COURT HAS BEEN GIVING INADEQUATE LANES TO THE.PUBLIC FOR A LONG TIME, OKAY.

AND LED BY YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ.

WE WILL STICK TO THE MATTER. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY OF CITY HEALTH TRANSFERRING $1.5 MILLION.

ANY TIME YOU GO OFF TOPIC, YOU ARE NOT GERMANE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS TRYING AND YOU CUT ME OFF.

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, CAN WE WRAP THIS UP.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S DO IT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE MOTION IS TO TRANSFER. YOU DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AND HOW YOU HANDLE MEMBERS OF THIS COURT ARE UP TO Y'ALL.

I THINK Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB.

I THINK WE ARE MORE EFFICIENT AND PROVIDING SERVICES TO THOSE IN THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT AND CONTINUE TO WORK TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM THAT QUITE FRANKLY IN MY OPINION HAS BEEN DYSFUNCTIONAL FOR MANY, MANY YEARS FAR BEYOND WHEN THIS COURT WAS INVOLVED IN IT.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN RE-CREATE SOMETHING AND CHANGE A

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DYSFUNCTIONAL SYSTEM IN 15 MINUTES.

YOU WORKED EXTREMELY HARD AND DILIGENTLY.

I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE CHANGE CHANGED AT THIS POINT.

MY EXPECTATIONS. BECAUSE YOU CONTINUE TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY, POOR. IS IT PERFECT, NO.

HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THE CITY IS NOT PERFECT, ABSOLUTELY.

EVERY CALL AND CONVERSATION. WE ARE STILL WORKING TO MAKE IT BETTER. WE ARE WORKING TO IMPROVE IT.

WE ARE NOT THERE YET. I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE RESURRECTED BECAUSE A 25-YEAR SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN SCREWED UP, OKAY. I NEED TO ADD SOME HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS NOT JUST THAT IT WAS SCREWED UP AND DYSFUNCTIONAL PROBLEMS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

THE FACT THAT THAT'S BROUGHT TO THE HEAD IS A POSITIVE.

MAYBE NOT THE WAY IT GOT TO AN BE HEAD, BUT WE WILL COME UP WITH A BETTER SYSTEM. WE ARE MOVING A BETTER SYSTEM.

DO I THINK IT IS THERE YET? NO.

DO YOU Y'ALL THINK IT IS THERE YET, NO.

YOU HAVE BEEN HONEST. I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY AND CANDOR. AND WHEN I MADE SUGGESTIONS AND PEOPLE SAID I WILL TAKE THE SUGGESTIONS AS TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COURT. I THINK WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I THINK THE COMMUNITY WILL NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THIS MONEY WILL GO FORWARD CONTINUATION OF SERVICES THAT ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

IF THEY ARE NOT, YOU WOULD FACE THE IRE.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YOU WILL FACE THE IRE.

STATE OF TEXAS. YOU WILL FACE THE IRE OF THIS COURT. AT THIS POINT I SEE NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THAT IRE IS NEEDED OR NECESSARY.

UP APPRECIATE GREATLY WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE.

DO I THINK WE ARE DONE, NO. WILL I CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU NICELY, POLITELY, PROFESSIONALLY? ABSOLUTELY. AND I -- I APPRECIATE THE DOOR IS ALWAYS OPEN AT THE CITY. ANY TIME I HAVE CALLED SOMEONE OVER THERE THEY HAVE TAKEN MY CALLS AND MORE THAN WILLING TO VISIT WITH ME ABOUT THAT. I HOPE THAT WILL CONTINUE FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THIS COURT, BUT, AGAIN, I -- I AM SORRY IT HAS GONE THIS WAY TODAY, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE.

I THINK WHAT WE ARE DOING IS MAKING PUBLIC HEALTH IN THIS COMMUNITY BETTER. ARE WE THERE YET, NOPE, I DON'T THINK WE ARE. IS THIS RUBBER STAMPED, NOPE.

I DON'T HAVE A TENDENCY TO APPROACH THINGS THE WAY OTHERS DO ON THIS COURT AND WE CAN GET THINGS DONE BY WORK WITH PEOPLE AND TRYING TO BE POLITE AND NICE ABOUT IT.

IT IS HARD SOMETIMES TO DO BECAUSE EVERYBODY GETS EMOTIONAL. I GET IT.

I APPRECIATE IT. AND I THINK WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. AND I WILL BE CONTINUING TO CALL YOU AND OTHERS AT THE CITY WHEN I SEE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE POLITE SUGGESTIONS TO. YOU ARE IN CHARGE.

I GET THAT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS AND I

APPRECIATE IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOW THAT THE BROMANCE IS COMPLETE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OKAY, DANTE, YOU ARE OKAY TO GO.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DOCTOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR

PROFESSIONALISM. >>JUDGE CANALES: PLEASE GET A PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR. WE ARE UNDER TWO PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCIES. THE NEXT ITEM IS AN ITEM TO RECEIVE CALCULATIONS -- OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT IS WRONG BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE DR. BLOW BE ADVANCED.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH ONE, NUMBER 6?

>>JUDGE CANALES: SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE -- BRIEFING FROM NUECES

[6. Receive briefing from Nueces County Hospital District on matters relating to CHRISTUS Spohn Health System Corporation’s notice of plans to initiate demolition of Memorial Medical Center and other structures and infrastructure located at 2606 Hospital Boulevard, Corpus Christi, Texas; CHRISTUS Spohn’s demolition action pursuant to Master Agreement between the parties.]

COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT ON MATTERS REPLACING TO CHRISTUS SPOHN NOTICE OF PLANS TO INITIATE DEMOLITION OF MEMORIAL MEDICAL CENTER, OTHER STRUCTURES INFRASTRUCTURE LOCATED AT 2606 HOSPITAL TO HELP US TALK ABOUT THIS BRIEF SOMETHING JOHNNY HIP AND DR. BLOW REPRESENTING CHRISTUS SPOHN PURSUANT TO THE MASTER AGREEMENT. JOHNNY, I AM NOT SURE IF WE HAVE -- DO WE HAVE ANY POWER POINT HERE.

>> JUDGE, JERRY KRAMER IS HERE, THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I SEE HIM. >> I WILL INTRODUCE THIS AND DR.

BLOW WILL TALK OF THE DEMOLITION AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY. THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS BACK

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

>> AM I GOOD NOW. BACK IN 2012 AND 2015, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WORKED THROUGH SOME AGREEMENTS WITH SPOHN.

THE OUTCOME OF THOSE AGREEMENTS WERE THE GARCIA CENTER THAT IS THERE ON THE MEMORIAL CAMPUS. SPOHN BUILT A NEW FACILITY ON SHORELINE. THEY TRANSFERRED THE LEVEL 26 TRAUMA SEPTEMBER FROM MEMORIAL TO SHORELINE.

THEY KEPT THE TWO RESIDENCY PROGRAMS THAT WERE BEING OPERATED AT THAT TIME AND STILL OPERATED TODAY.

AND AS A RESULT OF THOSE AGREEMENT AS YOU RECALL, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AT THAT TIME WAS FACING A SITUATION WHERE IT A FACILITY THAT WAS WAY BEYOND ITS YOUTHFUL LIFE.

THE FACILITY. IF YOU WERE TO REPLACE THE FACILITY IT WOULD REQUIRE A MURLTI MILLION DOLLAR BOND --

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NOT A BOND -- OR A BOND ISSUE THAT WOULD PAY FOR IT.

AND THAT WOULD BECOME THE BURDEN OF THE TAXPAYERS.

DECISION MADE BY THE COURT AND THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT BOARD TO DEMOLISH MEMORIAL. THERE WAS A MECHANISM EXERCISE TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT DECISION. AND THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH VOTES RECEIVED TO RECONSIDER THAT. ALL THAT TOOK PLACE AROUND -- BETWEEN 2012 AND 2015. SO TEN YEARS NOW DOWN THE ROAD, WE ARE TO THE POINT THAT ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE AGREED TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE. THE SHOULD SHORELINE, TRAUMA FACILITY, ETC., ETC. IT HAS COME TIME FOR MEMORIAL TO BEGIN DEMOLITION OF MEMORIAL. AND THAT HAS BEEN KNOWN IN THE PUBLIC'S EYE FOR MANY YEARS AND SPOHN WILL BE UNDERTAKING BY THE NOTICE WE ARE GIVING YOU TODAY THE STEPS TO BEGIN REMEDIATION OF BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST BUILDINGS AT MEMORIAL WHICH IS A PRELUDE TO DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING.

IF SPOHN STAYS ON THE SCHEDULED AND ABLE TO -- THE MEMORIAL FACILITY WILL BE DOWN BY YEAR'S END.

THE TENTATIVE PLAN UNLESS THEY GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL NUMBERS OR DATES WILL BE -- THE ACTUAL DEMOLITION WILL OCCUR PROBABLY AROUND OCTOBER. WE WILL BEGIN REMEDIATION WORK TO GET THE ASBESTOS AND STUFF OUT OF THE BUILDING AS REQUIRED BY LAW SOME TIME LATER THIS MONTH OR EARLY NEXT MONTH.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL WANT TO JUDGE IF IT IS OKAY AND ASK DR.

BLOW. I KNOW HE HAS A FEW COMMENTS TO COME UP AND MR. KRAMER IN THE ROOM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I HAVE ONE FOR JOHNNY REAL QUICK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WAIT ONE SECOND.

IS IT -- IS IT ON THIS? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, MA'AM. AND YOU ALMOST GOT THROUGH IT THERE. AND SOMEONE HAD ASKED ME THIS WEEK, IN MY RECOGNITION WAS THE INITIAL VOTE ON THAT WAS 2013 FOR THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. IS THAT --

>> THAT'S CORRECT, JUDGE. WE STARTED IN 2012.

THE AGREEMENTS WERE DONE THEN. THEY WERE TWEAKED SOMEWHAT IN 2015 BUT THE VOTE BY THE COURT WAS AROUND 2013.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT'S ALL, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU WANT TO MOVE TO DR. BLOW.

>> IF THAT IS OKAY, JUDGE. I WANTED TO SAY ONE MORE THING BEFORE DR. BLOW COMES UP. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICTS ALREADY REMOVED THE PLAQUES, THE MEMORIALS, AND DONATIONS.

ONLY THING WE HAVE TO REMOVE FROM THE FACILITY, A MURAL THAT WAS IN THE ENTRANCE OF THE FACILITY.

THOSE PLAQUES AND THINGS WERE -- THEY WERE IN MEMORIAL TO PEOPLE WHO WERE RECOGNIZING DONATION THAT WERE USED TO BUILD THE ICU UNITS. THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF THOSE THINGS. AT SOME POINT IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO RETURN THEM TO THE APPROPRIATE FAMILIES, WE ARE WILLING TO GET THAT DONE AND GET IT OUT THERE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN GET THOSE BACK, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THEM IN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICTS'S POSSESSION AND THEY HAVE ALL BEEN REMOVED FROM THE FACILITIES. THAT HAD BEEN A CONCERN EARLY ON ABOUT THOSE THINGS. SO DOCTOR -- DR. BLOW WILL TALK ABOUT SOME PLANS THEY HAVE TO -- FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD TO DECOMMISSION MEMORIAL AND GO THROUGH THE STEPS OF THAT.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

DR. BLOW, WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GOOD MORNING. >> JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS.

ACTUALLY AS HE REFLECT BACK ON THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, YOU KNOW, IT IS ALWAYS EASY FOR ME TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW LONG THIS MASTER FACILITY PLAN HAS BEEN, BECAUSE I HAVE AN -- I HAVE AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS BORN LITERALLY A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE THE FIRST COMMUNITY SESSION THAT WE HAD.

AND SO, REALLY IS QUITE -- I SAY EMOTIONAL TO ACTUALLY BE HERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED WITH TOGETHER WITH ME IN DIFFERENT ROLES OVER THE EIGHT YEARS AND TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I LIKE TO THINK OF AS A PROMISE DELIVERED AND ACTUALLY IN MANY WAYS EXCEEDED.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FEW COMMENTS TO WHAT MR. HIP SAID.

AND YOU KNOW, REALLY, MEMORIAL HOSPITAL AND IT IS A BITTERSWEET MOMENT FOR A LOT OF US IN THE COMMUNITY, ME ESPECIALLY SINCE MY -- THE MAJORITY OF MY CLINICAL PRACTICE AND ALL OF MY

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CLINICAL PRACTICE FOR THE MOST PART IN CORPUS CHRISTI WAS AT MEMORIAL. SO IT IS GOOD PROGRESS, BUT SAD NOSTALGIA. THE MEMORIAL HAS MEANT A LOT MORE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE SINCE 1944.

THE HOSPITAL WHERE I RUN INTO PEOPLE AND THEY WERE BORN AND CARED FOR. SOME FIGHTS HAVE WALKED THROUGH THE HALLS OF THAT BUILDING. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT REALLY DOES DESERVE MENTION BEFORE WE GO INTO THE STERILE TEE OF THE PROCESS ACCOMPLISHED. SO WE HAVE TAKE STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS PROVIDING SERVICES AND ADDING SERVICES YOU HEARD MR. HIP KIND OF OUTLINE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS RELATED TO TRAUMA.

MEMORIAL STOOD UP THE FIRST LEVEL TWO TRAUMA PROGRAM IN OUR COASTAL BEND. CONTINUED THAT UNINTERRUPTED THROUGH MULTIPLE TRANSITIONS IN THIS MASTER FACILITIES PLAN AND MAINTAINS THAT TO THIS DAY. AS FAR AS THE RESIDENCY PROGRAM, IT HAD -- FAMILY RESIDENCY PROGRAM THAT IS -- THAT IS APPROACHING ITS 50TH ANNIVERSARY.

AND ADDED IN 2006 EMERGENCY MED ESSENTIAL.

WE NOT ONLY MAINTAINED THOSE BUT EXPANDED THOSE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THEY TRAIN EACH YEAR AND ALSO CONTINUE TO TRAIN FELLOWS. RELATED TO OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE, I THINK IT WAS -- IT IS VERY CLEAR AFTER COVID THAT CHRISTUS SPOHN HAVING CARED FOR OVER TWO-THIRDS OF THE COVID PATIENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THE VACCINE DISTRIBUTIONS, THE TESTING, THE MONOCLONAL ANTIBODIES DISTRIBUTION AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DID WITH THE CITY COUNTY.

AND IN ADDITION TO OUR PREVENTIVE MEDICINE HOME HEALTH INITIALS TIFFS AND OUR -- OUR DIABETES PHARMACY PROGRAMS SHOW WE ARE CONTINUING THROUGH ALL OF THE DISRUPTION THROUGH DIDN'T AND SEVERAL NATURAL DISASTERS. WE MENTIONED COVID.

WE ALSO HAD A DEEP FREEZE. WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF HURRICANES IN THE MIX. SO I THINK WE ARE DOING QUITE WELL FROM A TIMELINE DIDN'T. SO WE ARE ON TARGET AS MR. HIP SAID TO ACHIEVE THAT PROMISE OF HAVING MEMORIAL DEMOLISHED AND THE GREEN SPACE RESTORED. IN ADDITION TO MR. KRAMER, I HAVE TWO VERY IMPORTANT MEMBERS OF MY TEAM.

AND AND THAT'S WANDA COCOA LEADING OF THE COORDINATION OF THE JOINT EFFORT OF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THAT PERSON HAS YET TO BE IDENTIFIED.

AND CHRISTUS SPOHN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH YOU JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS AND ALL OF OUR POLITICAL ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ALL OF OUR MAIN STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE A TREMENDOUS HEARTFELT SENTIMENT TO MEMORIAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO DECOMMISSION MEMORIAL, WE DO IT WITH THE UPMOST RESPECT THAT IT DESERVES. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY. THE DEMOLITION.

MR. HIP ALREADY MENTIONED WHY WE ENDED UP DOING THIS MASTER FACILI FACILITY WITH TWO OLD BUILDINGS AND A DECISION THAT WAS ARRIVED AT THROUGH MURLT PELL MEETINGS AND NEGOTIATIONS AND AGREEMENT. AS I MENTIONED THE HECTORP.

CENTER AND THE QUICK CARE CLINIC.

I THINK IT WAS PRUDENT AND IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THIS DAY YOU KNOW, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF TOURING MANY OF YOU THROUGH THAT.

MOST RECENTLY COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ AND I DON'T THINK I AM

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OVERSTATING IT WHEN I SAY AS ONE OF MY NEW ORTHOPEDIC SURGEONS TO ENTER ODD YOU ARE COMMUNITY IN A PRIVATE SETTING SAID THIS IS BETTER THAN MY OFFICE. THAT FACILITY IS TRULY A WORK OF ART. YOU WALK IN THERE AND I FIRM BELIEVE BELIEVE THAT FACILITIES HAVE A SENTIMENT ABOUT THEM.

AND I AM VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT FACILITY EMBODIED THE CORE VALUE, DIGNITY, COMPASSION AND OF STEWARDSHIP AND OUR MISSION TO EXTEND THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST TO EVERYONE.

I WILL SUPPORT THAT BY MULTIPLE IMPROMPTU FEEDBACKS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED WEB I AM IN THE BUILDING.

PATIENTS HAVE LITERALLY COME UP AND SAID I COULD NOT FEEL MORE SUPPORTED AND CARED FOR AND DIGNIFIED.

SO I AM VERY PROUD OF THAT BUILDING EFRM AND WHAT THAT BUILDING HAS DONE AND WHAT THAT SYMBOLIZES.

AND THE COMMITMENT OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT I REPRESENT NOW AS THE CEO. WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOME OF THE OBJECTIVE GOALS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

SOME IN THIS LAST FIVE, A LITTLE OVER FIVE YEARS, THAT FACILITY SEEN OVER 200,000 PATIENT VISITS.

ONE MILLION, NEARLY, PRESCRIPTIONS HAVE BEEN FILLED.

4,000 INDIVIDUALS HAVE ATTENDED DIABETES EDUCATION CLASSES.

APPROXIMATELY. AND APPROXIMATELY 4,000 HAVE RECEIVED MED CASINGS. 3,000 OF WHICH THROUGH OUR MEDICATION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH TEXAS A&M CORPUS CHRISTI. AND NO SMALL FEAT.

WE CONTINUE TO DO NOT JUST BASIC CARE OUT OF THAT FACILITY, BUT REALLY PUSHING THE LIMITS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY UP TO DATE WITH THE CURRENT CHALLENGES OF HEALTH CARE AND COMMUNITY SERVICE. SOME IN PREPARATION FOR DEMOLITION, MR. HIP MENTIONED THAT THE COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICTS -- I AM SORRY -- HAS ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE FACILITY AND TAKEN THE EQUIPMENT AND THAT IS TRUE.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE STEPS. BUT I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE ORDER OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO BE HERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE HAD TO FIRST BUILD A -- DR. GARCIA FAMILY HEALTH CENTER.

TRANSFER THE LEVEL II TRAUMA CENTERS AS MR. HIP MENTIONED AND ALSO TRANSFER THE TWO RESIDENCY PROGRAMS AND MAINTAIN THEM WHICH WE HAVE EXPANDED THAT FACILITY. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, THAT DURING THIS TIME, WE NOT ONLY DONE THAT BUT WE EXPANDED THE SERVICES THANKS TO THE SUPPORT FIREFIGHTER JUDGE CANALES WHO HELPED US SUPPORT A YOUNG MAN WHO IS A NEUROSURGEON AND INTERVENTIONALIST I WHO HELPED US STAND UP THE FIRST LEVELP.

ONE COMPREHENSIVE STROKE CENTER IN IF THE COASTAL BEND COMMUNITY. AND SO, AS YOU KNOW, THAT HAS BEEN SERVICE THAT WE HAVE NEEDED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND I AM PROUD TO SAY WE PROVIDE THAT. WE ARE ALSO IF EXPANDING OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE AND DELIVER CARE IN THAT STROKE PATIENT POPULATION IN THE SOUTH AS WELL AS OUR RURAL FACILITIES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THE SFCH NATIONWIDE BID PROCESS TOOK PLACE IN THE WINTER OF 2022 TO IDENTIFY THE BEST CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM THE DEMOLITION. AND AS I SAID, I HAVE MEMBERS OF MY TEAM AND ANOTHER ONEPLACE IN IDENTIFY THE BEST CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM THE DEMOLITION. AND AS I SAID, I HAVE MEMBERS OF MY TEAM AND ANOTHER ONE . WHO I HAVE GROWN TO RESPECT THE QUALITY OF HIS WORK KYLE WEATHERFORD WHO IS OUR SYSTEM VP OF CONSTRUCTION. AND YOU WILL SEE WE HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING OF THE THOMAS SPOHN CLINIC.

AND THAT WAS BUILT IN RECORD TIME.

AND THE QUALITY OF THAT FACILITY IS REALLY UNSURPASSED HERE LOCALLY. AND THAT IS REALLY SOLELY DUE TO KYLE'S LEADERSHIP AND THE WORK OF HIS TEAM.

SO HE IS ALSO HERE IF THERE ARE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED RELATED TO THIS CON STRUNGSZ ISSUE AND DEMOLITION PLAN. I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

THE DATE WHEN THE ACTUAL BUILDING WILL COME DOWN SP STILL

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UNCLEAR AT THIS TIME. I AM HOPEFUL THAT WILL IT WILL BE GREAT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR BUT DOUBTFUL IT WILL BE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND OF SHORELINE.

I DON'T WANT TO PREEMPT OUR PARTNER'S BIG MOMENT, BUT AGAIN THANKS TO JUDGE CANALES TAKING HER NAME HELPING US TO IDENTIFY NOT ONLY CARE FOR THOSE HAVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUES, BUT TO TAKE THAT I AGREE EMENT BETWEEN CHRISTUS SPOHN AND THE MONTH DISTRICT AND COUNTY AND EXPAND OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING A NATIONAL COMPANY TOP OUR COASTAL BEND AREA TO STAND UP A BEHAVIORAL PROGRAM MANAGER. CURRENT IN-PATIENT ONE AND NOW WILL BE MOVING INTO THE SPACE AT SHORELINE AND SETTING UP THEIR HOSPITAL WITHIN A HOSPITAL, AND THAT WILL BE HERE WITHIN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER. SO THAT IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT WAS REALLY AN UNINTENDED AND VERY POSITIVE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS WHOLE MASTER FACILITY PLAN. SO I SHARE THESE THINGS BECAUSE I WANT TO CONVEY THAT, YES, THERE ARE SOME IN OUR COMMUNITY AND MANY IN OUR HOSPITAL DISTRICT THAT REFER TO THIS AS A CONTRACT. I BELIEVE I SPEAK FOR.

I KNOW I SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND THE PEOPLE I KNOW IN MY WORK AND MY ORGANIZATION WHEN I SAY WE DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A CONTRACT.

WE LOOK AT IT AS REALLY OUR DIVINE MISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT WHILE WE ARE DOING WHAT WE DO, WE TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE VERY BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE LIVE.

AND MANY OF YOU I HAVE RECEIVED CALLS FROM FROM TIME TO TIME FOR ASSISTANCE WITH I'M THEY HAVE KNOWN.

AND THE FEEDBACK I HAVE RECEIVED.

I AM HAPPY TO SAY, IT HAS BEEN POSITIVE.

I THINK WE HAVE REALLY MOVED IN A WONDERFUL DIRECTION THROUGH A LOT OF CHAOTIC EVENTS THAT COULD HAVE REALLY DERAILED US.

BUT DID NOT, BECAUSE WE MAINTAINED OUR SINGULAR FOCUS ON DOING WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR PATIENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THE NEXT STEP AS MR. HIP SAID.

THEY TOOK THE EQUIPMENT WHICH IS TRUE AND THE PLAN AND THE DATES WHICH THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH IS TRANSFERRED OVER IN SEPTEMBER.

THE DEMOLITION PROCESS WILL BEGIN IN OCTOBER.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE AS ALWAYS TO BE TRANSPARENT AND COLLABORATE WITH THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED AS FAR AS THE DEMOLITION PROCESS AND THE GREEN SPACE RESTORATION AND ALSO THE MEMORIALIZATION OF THE DECOMMISSIONING OF MEMORIAL.

I WILL PAUSE THERE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM

HAPPY TO STAY AND ANSWER THEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: ARE THERE ANY

QUESTIONS? >> OR HAVE THE APPROPRIATE

PERSON ANSWER THEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DEMOBILIZATION OF MEMORIAL HOSPITAL AND TRURNG TO A GREEN SPACE -- -- RETURNING IT TO THE -- FUNNY SAYING THE CONTRACT AFTER YOU GAVE SUCH AN ELOQUENT EXAMPLE OF OUR PARTNERSHIP. GUYS, ANYBODY?

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: IT HAS BEEN A LONG ROAD.

>> IT HAS. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DOC AND MR. HIP. WE TALKED ABOUT WHO WE HAVE NOW, BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND WHO WE SIGN IN 2013, THERE WAS SOME KINDS OF AGREEMENT ALSO. YOU KNOW, THAT WE -- THAT ESPECIALLY YOU, DOCTOR. YOU WERE IN THE FRONT LINES ALL

THE TIME, YOU KNOW. >> YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WAS RECRUITED BY YOU TO BE PART OF THE FRONT LINES AND I THINK THAT WE WENT TO A LOT OF MEETINGS, TOWN HALL MEETINGS. YOU REMEMBER ALL THIS AND YOU AND I MET ALSO, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN A LONG HAUL.

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AND SOMETHING THAT DOCTOR, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT IS HERE. RIGHT.

KEEP SAYING IT IS COMING THREE, FOUR YEARS AND IT IS HERE.

BUT I WANT TOP THANK YOU AND MR. HIP AND COMMISSIONERS AND THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THE COURT AT AT THIS TIME FOR MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION. WE NOT ONLY HAD OUR BATTLES -- NOT JUST BATTLES BUT TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. FINALLY MAYBE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS, WE STARTED SEEING THE PEOPLE WHO WERE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS GOING TO COME.

ONE-STOP-SHOP, WE CALLED IT. THE ONE-STOP-SHOP.

IT IS A ONE-STOP SHOP. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR COMMITMENT, FOR DEDICATION AND

-- >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

YOU KNOW YOU REMIND ME OF -- YOU KNOW, THOSE -- THOSE SESSIONS WHICH HAVE I -- I SOMETIMES DO TRY TO FORGET.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ME TOO.

>> THEY WERE QUITE CHALLENGING BUT NECESSARY.

AND I DO WANTED TO SAY -- AS THE JUDGE JUST MENTIONED, IT IS NO THE A CONTRACT, IT IS A PARTNERSHIP.

I REMEMBER HOW PASSIONATE YOU WERE ABOUT THAT BUS STOP BEING RIGHT THERE. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WAS JUST DRIVING BY THERE A FEW WEEKS AGO AND WITH THIS HEAT THAT WE ARE SEEING, TO HAVE A BUS STOP WITH AN OVERLAY RIGHT THERE. PEOPLE ARE NOT HAVING TO WALK DOWN THAT LONG WALK. THEY CAN GET OFF THE STOP AND GO 500 FEET IN A CLIMATIZED BUILDING.

IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE. AGAIN, I THANK YOU IT HAS BEEN

AN HONOR AND I APPRECIATE IT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THANK

YOU, SIR. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DR. BLOW, I WANT TO CONCLUDE --

I KNOW YOU WANTED TO ACT ON IN. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE HERE AND DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR STAFF AND OBVIOUSLY JERRY WHO WILL BE WORKING ON THIS DEMO.

I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT 100 TIMES, BUT SINCE WE ARE TALKING TO A WIDER AUDIENCE TODAY THAT SOME OF THOSE LEGENDS THAT WALK THOSE HALLS WERE MY GRANDMOTHER AND MY UNCLE. I AM GRATEFUL TO THE FAMILY FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS A NEW VISION.

AND WE HAVE BEEN A PART OF THAT NEW VISION.

AS YOU SAID, THE DR. HECTOR P. GARCIA WELLNESS IS NOT ONLY A MODEL FOR OUR OWN COMMUNITY BUT FOR MEDICAL ENTITIES EVERYWHERE.

OUR WORK WITH OCEANS LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT, REALLY, THE GREEN SPACE IS CERTAINLY CONTRACTUAL, BUT I HOPE THAT HERE WITH US TODAY AND I ACKNOWLEDGE OUR ACTING CHAIRWOMAN OF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT, SYLVIA TRYON IS HERE AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS A VISION THAT -- THAT GOES BEYOND GREEN GRASS.

AND I KNOW THAT IS FORTHCOMING AND TIME TO START PLANNING AND PREPARING THAT LONG-RANGE GOAL. AS ONE BUILDING -- BUILDINGS COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, A NEW VISION RISES UP.

AND I THINK THAT -- THAT HOPEFULLY LEADS TO HEALTH CARE FACILITY COMPLEX THAT, YOU KNOW, SERVES THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

WE TALKED ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.

WE TALKED WELLNESS, PUBLIC HEALTH.

I MEAN, THERE IS A REASON WHY WE GET ANIMATED ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH. AND THERE IS A REASON THAT YOU ALL CARRIED THE LOAD OF TWO-THIRDS.

THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE ROLE THAT THE COUNTY AND THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT PLAYS WITH REGARDS TO THOSE AS THEY SAY MORE IN NEED OR MORE VULNERABLE, MORE UNFORTUNATE WITH REGARDS TO CHRONIC ILLNESS AND UNINSURANCE. AND THAT'S WHY EACH AND EVERY PROGRAM MATTERS. THAT IS WHY THE DUETI IS SO HIGH. IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN THE -- THE DUTY IS SO HIGH. IF YOU NEVER HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE HEALTH CARE SPACE, MAYBE THAT DOESN'T IMPACT YOU AS MUCH.

BUT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE FUTURE AS WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DEMOLITION. I AM EXCITED WHAT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WILL ENGAGE UPON. AND I HOPE THEY SORT OF READ THE TEA LEAVES THAT IT IS TIME -- YOU ALREADY IMAGINED ONCE BEFORE. SO MAYBE IT IS TIME TO BRING BACK THOSE RENDERINGS AND CREATE A VARIATION ON THE THEME MAYBE BECAUSE YOU GUY HAVE DONE PRELIMINARY WORK.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC MAY OR MAY NOT REMEMBER THIS PARTNERSHIP AND THIS CONTRACT THAT IT IS COMING UP NOW. WHAT CAN WE TO DO CREATE A PUBIC

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MESSAGING CAMPAIGN SO PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, IT IS COMING DOWN.

BUT YOU ARE 7TH FLOOR IS BEING MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY EXPANDED HEALTH CARE FOR -- FOR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO --

IF ANYBODY -- >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD CAMPAIGN TO INCLUDE OCEANS IN THE DISCUSSION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. >> AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY -- AS PART OF WHEN THEY SAY "WE MOVED." BECAUSE REALLY IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT IS REALLY NOT -- FOR THEM IT IS -- IS HE MANICS, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN THEY ARE MANAGING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICE FOR US NOW.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT. >> WHEN THEY MOVE TO SHORELINE, THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT HOSPITAL ENTITY, AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE, AS CHRISTUS SPOHN, THROUGH A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH OCEANS WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT PATIENT ACCESS TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.

AND WE WILL BE SLAP -- YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE IN OUR FACILITY.

I THINK I WILL BE REMISS -- AND I WOULD FEEL -- I DON'T WANT TO STEAL THEIR THUNDER AND I THINK IT WILL BE BETTER FOR THEM TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE -- WE HAVE SHIFTED LOCATIONS AND WE ARE IN OUR BRAND-NEW FACILITY AND I HAVE A LOT OF FANFARE AROUND THEIR OPENING. AND I THINK THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SUGGEST.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. OKAY.

GREAT. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL MOVE ON. COMMISSIONER MAREZ HAS A

QUESTION. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: A PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

AS YOU MENTIONED 2014 AND AROUND ABOUT.

THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT OR MAYBE JUST COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ SERVING AT THE TIME AND A TOTALLY DIFFERENT COURT MAKE-UP, I REMEMBER ATTENDING THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEY WERE PRETTY PASSIONATE OF THE CONCERNS OF WHAT THAT MEANT FOR THE FUTURE AS FAR AS A MERGER AND A CHANGE AND KIND OF COLLECTIVELY PUTTING ALL EGGS IN ONE BASKET.

AND I THINK ITS A BIGGER ISSUE. I DON'T THINK IT ISSER IN TSARLY THAT THIS MERGER WAS SET INTO MOTION -- NECESSARILY THAT THIS MERGER WAS SET INTO MOTION. MEDICAL CARE, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CAREER, THAT IS WHERE YOU SHOULD GO INTO ASIDE FROM ENGINEERING IN OUR COUNTRY. AND OUR POPULATION IS GROWING AND NEED FOR MEDICAL CARE ESPECIALLY DURING NATIONAL EMERGENCIES ARE EVER GROWING AND PROBABLY WON'T REDUCE.

MY -- ASIDE FROM THE OLD ARGUMENTS BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU FROM -- FROM -- AS A LAYPERSON IN 2014, I DID NOT AGREE WITH THE MOVE THAT WAS MADE. I WORRY THE WAY THAT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE WAITING LONG PERIODS OF TIME AND MAKES ME WONDER, YOU KNOW, IF PUTTING ALL THOSE EGGS IN ONE BASKET, IF THAT IS -- IF THAT IS INDICATIVE OF WHAT THIS MOTION WAS MADE EIGHT YEARS AGO.

BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, I WILL SAY THAT CHRISTUS SPOHN DOES EXCELLENT WORK. AND SO IT IS MY HOPE THAT THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT OBVIOUSLY IS NECESSARY.

AND IS THAT CHANCE TO KIND OF RESET.

I THINK ABOUT, GOSH, IT IS SO EASY TO WANT TO HOLD ON TO WHAT YOU HAVE. AND MAYBE TO REFURBISH, BUT MAYBE THAT CLEAN SLATE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL LEND TO THE FUTURE FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. AND SO THAT IS WHAT I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO WITH THIS. THAT EVEN THOUGH SERVICES WILL BE THERE, THAT MAYBE NOT NOW, BUT MAYBE IN DECADES TO COME THAT THAT -- THAT LOCATION CAN SERVE ADDITIONALLY MENTAL OR MEDICAL HEALTH NEEDS THAT WE SO DESPERATELY NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S MY HOPE.

I THINK THAT -- YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE MISSION THAT YOU MENTIONED IS SO DEAR TO SO MANY OF US OF SPOHN.

AND IT IS A SOURCE OF PRIDE. WHEN YOU SEE SPOHN HOSPITAL, YOU KNOW IT MEANS QUALITY, PROFESSIONALISM.

AND ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

THAT CLINIC, THAT FACILITY THAT WE HAVE THERE ON HOSPITAL BOULEVARD MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

AND SHOWING THAT -- NOT ONLY ONE OF THE GIANTS IN OUR COMMUNITY OF MEDICAL CARE FOR MANY YEARS IS REMEMBERED IN THAT VISION AND CONTINUES, BUT THAT -- THAT SPOHN -- CHRISTUS SPOHN NEVER GAVE UP ON THAT SITE. THEY PUT SOMETHING THAT IS BEAUTIFUL. I REMEMBER THE DAY WE HAD THE RIBBON CUTTING. IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.

IT WAS JUST EXCITING TO SEE ALL THAT IS THERE.

SO I JUST -- I HOPE THAT WITH THIS, AS YOU -- AS WE

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COLLECTIVELY WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS COMING DOWN WHAT THAT BEAUTIFUL NEW ADDITION THERE ON SHORELINE MEANS.

ALL THOSE RESOURCES ARE PULLED TOGETHER IN ONE FACILITY NOW.

AND THAT THE FUTURE MEANS THAT PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK BACK AT THAT LOCATION ON HOSPITAL BOULEVARD AND REALIZE SOMETHING THAT CAN COME ABOUT AND BUILT BRAND-NEW. NOT REFURBISHED BUT SOMETHING FROM THE GROUND UP THAT CAN BE MAGNIFICENT IN WHATEVER ITERATION THAT MAY BE. I AM NOT TOO PARTICULAR WHAT IT HAS TO BE OR WHAT I FEEL IT SHOULD BE BUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS AND OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH CHRISTUS SPOHN AND NUECES COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT HAVE TO SAY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. IT IS GOING TO BE A CHANCE FOR US TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE NOW AND SAY WE NEED -- AND FILL IN THE BLANK. AND THAT IS THE MOST PROMISING OF ALL OF THIS. AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE DONE EXCELLENT WORK. WHEN WE WERE THERE A FEW YEARS AGO WITH THE RIBBON CUTTING THAT YOU HAD THIS AND THE NEW SECTION OF HOSPITAL. IT'S -- IT'S -- THE KIND OF QUALITY HEALTH CARE THAT WE NEED, WITH THAT WE DESERVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. ESPECIALLY AS INDIGENT CARE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.

SO I THANK ALL FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.

I DO HOPE AND BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE ANOTHER POSITIVE STEP FORWARD THAT WILL ALLOW THE -- ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED A CHANCE TO RECOLLECT AND POSE FOR THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: DR.

BLOW, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY THANKS FOR YOU GIVING ME THE TOUR. WHAT I GOT OUT OF IT ALL THE FOLKS THAT WORK THERE ARE VE VERY COMPASSIONATE OF TREATING THE PEOPLE WHO GO IN THERE. I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO ONE OF THE PATIENTS WHO WAS WAITING AND HE SPOKE HIGHLY SAYING HE HAS BEEN THERE ONCE OR TWICE BEFORE.

HE WAS GLAD THAT YOU ALL ARE THERE NOW AND I AM TOO.

THANK YOU, DR. BLOW. >> THANK YOU, I WILL PASS THAT ON. THAT WILL MEAN A LOT TO THE

TEAM. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS MAY BE ONE LAST FINAL QUESTION AND JERRY CAN NOD.

IS IT REALLY GREEN OR GRASS -- WHEN WE SAY GREENSPACE, IT A --

IT IS METAPHORICAL OR REAL. >> IT IS GRASS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: VERY COOL. >> WE NEED A QUALIFIER THIS DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SUN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S NOT PLANT IT UNTIL WE GET WATER.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: FAST ON THE GROUND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SOMETIMES WHEN WE SAY GREENSPACE A DISCUSSION WHAT THAT MEANS.

WELL, LOOK, THE FUTURE IS -- WHEN IT COMES TO -- I HAVEN'T -- HAVEN'T WE LEARNED THAT WITHOUT HEALTH, THERE IS NOTHING.

JUST NOTHING THAT MATTERS AND IT WAS SAID A WEEK AGO AND I WANTED TO DIE QUITE FRANKLY WHEN I HEARD IT SAID BECAUSE COULDN'T BE ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH AND I LEFT IT ALONE.

BUT I WON'T TODAY. THAT IS THAT NUECES COUNTY IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF HEALTH. OH, YOU BETTER BELIEVE WE ARE.

THAT IS ALL WE ARE. IF NOING ELSE BY STATE LAW, BY STATUTE, WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF TAKING CARE OF INDIGENT PEOPLE. WE MAY NOT THINK WE GET COMPENSATED CORRECTLY FOR IT, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, IT IS ONE OF OUR HIGHEST DUTIES. AND THANK GOD, TRULY, THANK THEM THAT WE HAVE MUCH CHRISTUS SPOHN AND THE MINISTRIES OF JESUS CHRIST. THE HEALING MINISTRIES THAT TRULY BELIEVE IN THAT MISSION AND SAW US THROUGH THE MOST DIFFICULT PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCIES OF OUR LIFETIME AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT IS STILL DOING IT EVERY DAY.

AND SO WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF HEALTH.

WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.

THAT IS WHAT THIS MOVE REALLY IS THE FINAL TRANSITION.

MOVING THE 7TH FLOOR COMPLETELY OVER TO SHORELINE AND NOW IT IS TIME TO BEGIN AGAIN. THANK YOU, JOHNNY, THANK YOU SILT VIA, CHAIRWOMAN, AND DR. BLOW AND COMPANY.

I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY NEED ANOTHER UPDATE MAYBE IN ANOTHER QUART TO KIND OF KEEP US GOING HERE.

TODAY WATT THE BIG ONE. NOW WE CAN MOVE TO MORE SUCCINCT BRIEFINGS. AND -- BUT THIS IS VERY, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AMEN. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO

MUCH. >> APPRECIATE IT.

BYE NOW. HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU HAVE A

REQUEST. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SCOTT CROSS IS HANGING AROUND NUMBER 11.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL MOVE IT. I WILL MOVE IT FOR YOU,

COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK

YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHAT I

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THOUGHT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK

YOU AGAIN. >>JUDGE CANALES: I JUST DIDN'T HEAR YOU. CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 5.

FROM MAKO AND RELATED TO CONCRETE REFAIRS AND FIBERGLASS REINFORCED PANEL, VENDOR PRICE DIFFERENCE.

THIS CHANGE ORDER HAS A COST AND YOU RECOMMEND IT, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> YES, I DO.

WE VETTED THIS CHANGE ORDER WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND MICHAEL AND PURCHASING AND MICHAEL AND KENT TALKED ABOUT IT AS WELL. UNDER THE STATUTE WE ARE GOOD TO GO FOR YOU ALL TO APPROVE THIS. IF YOU WANT OTHER DETAILS I HAVE NOTES TO READ FOR YOU FROM SCOTT MEARS.

OTHER THAN THAT UNLESS YOU WANT THE FULL DETAILS, I RECOMMEND

APPROVAL. >> BEFORE WE GO TO VOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, NEVER MIND, WE WILL DO THAT.

>> SORRY, JENNY, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GOING THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE WILL ZOOM YOU IN IF WE NEED YOU.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO STICK AROUND. >> JUDGE, YOU HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.

YOU HAVE SEEN -- WE TURNED A CORNER.

WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME.

THERE HAVE BEEN ALL KIND OF PRODUCT DELAYS.

TDI APPROVALS WITH PRODUCTS NOT BEING AVAILABLE.

FINDING THE CERTIFIED PEOPLE TO INSTALL SOME OF THESE PRODUCTS.

WE ARE TURNING THE CORNER. WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.

I ASSURE YOU THAT I AM THERE EVERY SINGLE MORNING AND WOULD HE CANNILY MEETING AND I SAID I DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE WAITING FOR THE PRODUCT -- WALK AROUND WITH A 2X 4 ON YOUR SHOULDER TO LOOK BUSY. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO STAND

AROUND. >> TAKE YOU TO EXECUTIVE AND I DON'T NEED IT THAT MUCH, BUT THE BACKUP IS PAGE THREE OF THREE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING IS AND WE WON'T HAVE TO TALK OF THE PARTICULARS. THE FUNDING, SCOTT.

>> THE FUNDING IS THERE. YOU APPROVED THESE LINE ITEMS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU APPROVED THE INSURANCE PROCEEDS TO GO TOWARD THIS BUILDING. WE ARE TRACKING THESE COSTS.

WE ARE ON BUDGET. I AM ACTUALLY -- KEEP MY FINGERS CROSSED, BUT I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO COME TO YOU AT THE END OF THE PROJECT AND PROBABLY GIVING YOU MONEY BACK JUDGE SCOTT, THAT IS

WHAT I NEEDED THE COURT TO. >>JUDGE CANALES: SCOTT, THAT IS WHAT I NEEDED THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND THAT -- THAT THE ACTUAL CONTRACT -- GENTLEMEN, THE ACTUAL CONTRACT IS PAID FOR.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT YOU ARE ASKING THIS COURT TO APPROVE IS WITHIN OUR BUDGET. I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT ON THE RECORD. SO IT IS WITHIN OUR BUDGET,

WHICH IS GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ WROTE THAT DOWN THAT YOU ARE BRINGING MONEY

BACK. >> I SAID KEEP YOUR FINGERS

CROSSED. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU

SHOULDN'T SAY THAT OUT LOUD. >> I AM OPTIMISTIC.

THE GLASS IS HALF FULL. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, IT REALLY HAS TURNED THE CORNER.

THREE MONTHS AGO, I HAD SERIOUS CONCERNS.

EVERYTHING HAVE CHANGED. I AM OUT THERE EVERY WEEKEND.

IT IS LOOKING REALLY GOOD. VERY STRONG.

MAJOR ACHIEVEMENTS ON THE WINDOWS AND WHAT I AM CALLING THE OUTER ENVELOPE. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, IT IS BECAUSE IT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE YET.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE STAIRCASES LOOK OR MAYBE THE CONCRETE UNDERNEATH. THAT IS ON ITS WAY.

I AM VERY SATISFIED WITH THE -- WITH THE PROGRESS, QUITE FRANKLY TO SCOTT MEARS AND SCOTT CROSS WHO LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY, WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANKS TO MAKO.

IT TAKES EVERYBODY. BUT YOU NEED THE LEADERSHIP.

THIS IS IN KEEPING WHAT GIVES US AN EXECUTABLE.

>> THOU FOR YOUR HELP WITH CASA ENGINEERING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK THAT WAS HUGE.

THAT WAS BIG. >> I WILL GO.

I AM LEAVING. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL HAVE TO TABLE IT -- BUT TAKE IT TO THE EXECUTIVE.

MARK IT AS A DON'T FORGET TO COME BACK ON.

OKAY. I AM GOING TO GO BACK INTO THE REGULAR ORDER. WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE THE CALCULATIONS OF THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE AND THE FUND BALANCES FROM DALE RIGHT NOW.

OF COURSE, WE GOT A LITTLE SNEAK PEEK, RIGHT, EARLIER IN BUDGET WORKSHOP, BUT DALE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THOSE

ANNOUNCEMENTS. >> YES, ABOUT YOUR HONOR.

CONNIE, IF YOU BRING UP THE SCHEDULE YOU HAVE -- PART OF THE

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AGENDA MUCH. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, WHEN THEY ARE GETTING READY. CAN I JUST ASK REAL QUICK.

I DID NOT GET THE BACKUP. IF I GOT IT LATE LAST NIGHT I DIDN'T. FORWARDED ON 13.

NOT THAT I DON'T SUPPORT. I DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT AND IF IT CAME IN LATE LAST NIGHT, I DIDN'T SEE IT.

SO I AM GETTING IT REFORWARDED OR FORWARDED SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT TO THE 17TH.

I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT NOT GETTING IT LAST NIGHT AND

SEEING IT THIS MORNING. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL FOR THAT BUT I NEED IDAY TO WEIGH IN AND CALL THEM.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY ARE WAITING ON IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GET IT.

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I HAVEN'T. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET'S DO THIS.

CAN I PASS ON IT FOR RIGHT THIS SECOND AND WHEN WE TAKE OUR LITTLE BREAK, WE CAN TALK TO IDAY ABOUT IT.

WE CAN ALSO TAKE IT UP IN EXECUTIVE AND GET A LOT OF

INFORMATION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 15 PAGES

AND. >>JUDGE CANALES: HOW ABOUT I SAY YES AND JUST HOLD -- HOLD FOR THE MOMENT UNTIL IDAY CAN DO

TEXTING. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU CAN CHECK AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE OKAY FOR ONE MORE WEEK.

YOU ARE RIGHT, PROBABLY THE SAME MOTION WE MADE LAST TIME MUCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THEM.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE WILL PAY WHATEVER THEY DO THIS WEEK.

IF WE CAN MAKE THAT MOTION AND THEN TABLE IT.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY? SFA.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HAVE THE INFORMATION.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GOOD INFORMATION THEY ARE PUTTING

FORTH, I JUST NEED TO READ IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: FINE WITH ME.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I HAVE A QUESTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER -- KARA, LET ME KNOW, AND I WILL HAPPY TO HELP YOU. TELL ME WHAT IT IS THAT YOU

NEED. >> 134, ARE YOU TABLING IT?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL SAY -- ON 13, I WILL MAKE THE SAME MOTION WE MADE -- I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK THAT SAID WHATEVER THEY DO THIS WEEK, WE WOULD PAY THEM FOR.

AND THEN I WILL MAKE A SECOND MOTION, IF THAT ONCE PASSES, TO TABLE IT UNTIL NEXT WEEK SO I CAN READ IT, PLEASE.

SO CAN I -- IS THAT OKAY? CAN I MAKE THE FIRST MOTION TO

DO THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH.

I WILL GO AHEAD -- WE CAN ALWAYS -- IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WE CAN ALWAYS BRING IT BACK UP LATER THIS AFTERNOON FOR RECONSIDERATION. GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY MOTION WOULD BE THE SAME MOTION AS LAST WEEK WHICH I BELIEVE TO PAY THEM FOR THE WEEK BETWEEN NOW AND THEN FOR ANY WORK DONE BETWEEN NOW AND THE AMENDMENT BEING FINALIZED. THAT WILL BE THE FIRST MOTION.

>> WITH HAGERTY? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NEAR, HAGERTY. NUMBER 13.

LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN. 3-A-13.

A MOTION TO -- TO PAY HAGERTY CONSULTING FOR THE WORK THEY DO

BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 17. >> OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS THE MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SIGHING AYE OF.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOW I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE NUMBER 13 TO AUGUST -- TO TABLE THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH HAGERTY CONSULTANTS THROUGH AUGUST 17.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND IS ON THE TABLE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OKAY, PLEASE, LET JOEL AND PATRICIA KNOW.

THE TEXT THAT THEY WILL BE RIGHT AFTER DALE SO THEY WILL PREPARE.

I KNOW THEY ARE ON A NOON DEADLINE SO THEY HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. WE WILL TAKE UP IRE ITEM ON TWIA

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NEXT. AS SOON AS DALE, YOU KNOW,

FINISHES. >> IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TAX CODE 26, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX, VOTER APPROVED TAX, AND GIVE YOU HAVE LAST YEAR'S VALUATION. AND WHEN THEY PASSED THE LAW, THEY ALLOWED THE COUNTY TO USE -- WHAT WE CONSIDER UNUSED INCREMENTS. WHAT THAT MEANS IF WE ADOPT A RATE AT A CURRENT YEAR BELOW THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, WE CAN USE THE VALUES AND GIVE YOU THE NUMBER.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE VALUATIONS.

CONNIE, IF YOU CAN GO TO PAGE 2. THE KEY VALUATIONS THAT WE WANTED TO GO THE TAXABLE VALUES ARE AND WHAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS YEAR. YOU SEE THE VALUES ON THE SCREEN FROM TAX YEAR 2021 AND 2022. YOU WILL SEE THE CHANGES FOR EACH OF THE BALANCES. NOW THE KEY ISSUE IS AT THE VERY BOTTOM TOTAL -- TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE.

INCREASE OF $4,516,319. OF THAT MUCH $623 MILLION OF THIS IS NEW PROPERTY. SO THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF THIS IS INCREASE OF VALUE FOR -- FOR THOSE THAT HAVE HOMES AND BUSINESSES WITHIN THE COUNTY. AND REPRESENT A 13.76% OF VALUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT ON THERE AS WELL AND SEE THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS.

MINOR CHANGES WITHIN THOSE NUMBERS AND I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALLY BUT WHERE THE INCREASE OF VALUES.

CONNIE, IF YOU CAN GO TO PAGE THREE.

CONNIE. PAGE THREE SHOWS HOW WE DO THE CALCULATIONS. WE GET EVERYTHING COMPLETED THE ACTUAL CALCULATION REPORT, SUMMARY REPORTS FOR ALL THREE FOR THE COUNTY FARM-TO-MARKET AND HOSPITAL WILL BE PART OF WEB SITE EVERY LINE WE GO THROUGH FOR CALCULATIONS.

YOU SEE THE TOTAL APPRAISAL $38.5 BILLION.

WE STILL HAVE PROPERTY UNDER PROTEST.

$1.2 BILLION. WE HAVE RAILROAD TRACKS IN THE COUNTY. WE HAVE RAILROAD AND BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS THE VEHICLES THAT WERE -- THAT WERE ON THE RAILROADS THAT COMES FROM OUR -- OUR COMPTROLLER RIGHT APT $12.9 MILLION. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A FREEZE THAT

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WE HAVE FOR THE COUNTY. $2.48 BILLION.

SO OUR NET TAXABLE IS 37,333,990,598.

HE WE HAVE FOUR TAX INCREMENT ZONES OR CERTS WE CALL THEM.

DOWNTOWN JOAN ARE, PADRE ISLAND ZONE.

ONE COMING UP NEAR THE INU A&M WHERE THEY WILL BUILD BUILDINGS AND ONE OTHER ONE I AM 234069 QUITE SURE WHERES THAT.

BUT THERE ARE FOUR. AND THIS IS SO -- WE REDUCE IT FROM OUR TAXABLE VALUE TAX INCREMENT VALUE BECAUSE ANY APPRAISED VALUE ABOVE A BASE GOES INTO A FUND WHERE THEY ARE MANAGE AND TO PAY -- PROVIDE CERTAIN AREAS FOR REIMBURSEMENTS OR TO ENTICE OTHER COUNTIES -- OR OTHER BUILDINGS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MAY I STOP YOU THERE FOR A MOMENT.

>> OF COURSE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS WHY I AM TRYING TO GET THE TERS NUMBER 2 FOLKS FROM THE CITY TO COME AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR BUDGET IS ON THAT PARTICULAR TERS BECAUSE UP FOR RENEWAL IN NOVEMBER IF WE DON'T HAVE A DECISION OF A BUDGET. I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR MONTHS AND BELINDA HAVE BEEN ASKING -- COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

TIME GLAD YOU ARE BACK. TERS NUMBER 2.

WE ARE TALKING OF THE TIF. ARE YOU OKAY?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BACK IS BOTHERING ME.

GO AHEAD. >>JUDGE CANALES: TALKING OF THE TERS NUMBER 2 AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO UNDERSTAND OUR BUDGET. BECAUSE IT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RENEWAL AND ITCH BEEN ASKING FOR MONTHS FOR THEM TO COME AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION SO THIS COURT CAN GO AHEAD OF BUDGET AND MAKE THEIR DECISION. EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T HAPPEN OFFICIALLY UNTIL LATER. WE GET TO MAKE OUR DECISION NOW TO RUN OUR BUDGET NOW. I WOULD LIKE YOUR HELP ON THIS.

I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO JOIN ME IN MAKING CERTAIN ON AUGUST 17, THEY COME. THEY GIVE US WHAT THEY ARE THINKING. BECAUSE WE CAN GO 75/25.

WE CAN GO 50/50. WE CAN GO -- YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING? IT EFFECTS THAT NUMBER.

AND WE ARE -- I JUST DON'T THINK THAT -- THAT WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR WHEN BUDGET OF -- SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS COULD REALLY HELP -- IF WE GO 50/50.

>> YOUR HONOR, FOR THIS -- THESE ARE TIF AS OF JANUARY 1 AND WON'T HAVE EFFECT THIS YEAR. UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WELL, THERE WE GO.

I STILL WANT TO KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE

SEEN. >>JUDGE CANALES: HAVE YOU SEEN A

RECOMMENDATION? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO, JUST

PRELIMINARY. >>JUDGE CANALES: NUMBERS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GOSH. I CAN'T THINK OF THE PERSON THAT

SENT IT TO ME. >>JUDGE CANALES: HEATHER HUBERT

-- EVERY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SORRY, I DREW -- HE RAN -- HE RAN SOME PRELIMINARY -- I DON'T KNOW IF

THEY ARE THE CITIES OR WHAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: GET THEM

TO IDAY. >> I HAVE GOT TO GO FIND IT BUT

ABSOLUTELY. >>JUDGE CANALES: DALE, YOU ARE RIGHT. JANUARY 1.

DOESN'T TAKE PLACE UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

WON'T EFFECT IN BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE JANUARY 1.

WE STILL NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT PROJECTIONS AND TALKING ABOUT HOW TO SLIDE SCALE THINGS AND ALL THAT.

OKAY, DALE. NOW I KNOW THIS BUDGET IS GOING TO BE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS ON TIF AND WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT BU BUDGET.

>> WITH THE PADRE ISLAND. YOU NEED A NEGOTIATION AND CONTINUE THIS. YOU NEED TO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO

INCREASE BASE VALUE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT I AM

MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT. >> WE PAY $1 MILLION TO $2

MILLION INTO THE TIF EVERY YEAR. >>JUDGE CANALES: IN OTHER WORDS, TWO QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW IT IS PERCENTAGE WHICH I AM SUPER FLEXIBLE ON. BUT THE BASE VALUE THAT WE MUST RECOVER AND THAT IS THE TRICK. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS AND THAT CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE DONE BY NOVEMBER AND THIS COURT WILL START THINKING ABOUT I IT.

>> WERE YOU ABLE TO SUBTRACT THAT.

SMALL ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR TAXABLE VALUE FOR OUR RATES.

AS WE SAY.WE WERE TRYING TO COMPARE LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR'S NUMBER FOR PROPERTY ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.

WE GET TO SUBTRACT THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS.

$628,461,868. AS I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THE LAST FEW TIMINGS THIS IS TECH CHEE LESS THAN WE HAD THE LAST FEW YEARS AND A LOT OF THIS IS TIMING.

IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CATCH UP AGAIN NEXT YEAR ON AVERAGE IN THE LAST THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS AVERAGING ANYWHERE FROM $800 MILLION TO $1 BILLION ON A NEW PROPERTY.

THIS IS LITTLE BIT LOWER AND WITH EN WE GET TAX BILL NUMBERS

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AND WHAT WE WILL BRING IN, THIS AFFECTS OUR NEW PROPERTY.

CONNIE, IF YOU GO 1. >> PAGE 1?

>> PAGE 1. GETTING VALUES WHAT OUR TAXABLE VALUES ARE OPINION WE HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH TWO TAX NUMBERS. THOSE ARE THE NEW NEW REVENUE TAX AND VOTER APPROVED TAX. NOW ALSO PROVIDE YOU WITH LAST YEAR'S ADOPTED RATE AND, AGAIN, PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT YOU CAN USE AS A TAX RATE IF SO CHOOSE TO USE 100% OF THE UNUSED INCREMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE.

THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT WE CAN USE. IT CAN BE LESS THAN THIS AND THE MAXIMUM NUMBERS. AS WE GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS FOR 2021-2022 WITH GENERAL TAX.261948. AT THE TIME EVER WAS.04467.

AND ROAD FUN FOR A TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE -- TAX.310445.

IF WE GO TO THE NEXT COLUMN, 2022-2023 NO NEW REVENUE TAX.

THE MINIMUM RATE -- YOU CAN'T GO LOWER THAN THIS.

BUT THE RATE THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. OUR PICK TIME GENERAL FUND IS.231651. OUR DEBT SERVICES.037020.

AND ROAD FUND IS.003203. AND NO NEW REVENUE.27198.

YOU SEE THAT IS RIGHT AROUND 2.9 DECREASE IN VALUE OF RATE -- RATE. IF WE GO TO -- WHAT WE CALL A VOTER APPROVED RATE WHICH WE USED TO CALL A ROLL BACK RATE NOT NECESSARILY VOTERS ARE NOT GOING OUT AND DOING AN ELECTION FOR THIS, BUT THE HIGHER RATE TO REQUIRE IN AN ELECTION.

FOR 2022-2023, THE IF EN R578 FUND .# 40035.

THE DEBT SERVICE FULLY FUNDED 100% OF THE VALUE TO PAY FOR 100% OF THE DEBT REQUIREMENT IS POINT 024069.

.04341, .28535. YOU CAN SEE THAT RATE IS BELOW OUR CURRENT ADOPTED RATE BY ABOUT TWO CENTS.

IF THE COUNTY CAN AND WILL USE THE MAXIMUM VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITH THE UNUSED INCREMENT, THOSE VALUES ARE THE FAR RIGHT .240035 WITH SERVICE 0.20469. AND UNUSED INCREMENT A .002164.

IF WE NEED TO USE THOSE RATES, TOTAL MAXIMUM WE CAN USE WITHOUT REQUIRING AN ELECTION IS .291659 THAT IS $.02 LESS THAN OUR CURRENT ADOPTED RATE. THOSE ARE THE RATES FOR THE COUNTY AND ROAD DEBT SERVICE. WE DO THE CALCULATIONS FOR OUR HOSPITAL DISTRICT. THOSE ARE THE ONES AT THE VERY BOTTOM. LAST YEAR'S RATES FOR THE HOSPITAL IT IS STRICT W WAS .111052.

NEW NEW REVENUE. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT THEY CAN USE 8% ROLL BACK RATE OR VOTER APPROVAL RATE 010688.

STILL BELOW LAST YEAR'S ADOPTED RATE.

THOSE ARE THE RATES AND CALCULATIONS WE HAVE FOR -- TO PRESENT TO YOU FOR THE BALANCES. WE JUST PROVIDED YOU A LIST OF THE GENERAL -- OUR FUND BALANCES FOR THE YEAR.

FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE 24.7 MILLION.

FOR OUR ROAD FUND, WE HAVE $#.6 MILLION.

YOU HAVE THAT ON THE LIST -- FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS, $2.4 MILLION.

LAW LIBRARY SHOWING A SMALL DEFICIT BUT WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT NEGATIVE $28,000. THE AIRPORT IS $190,000.

PARKS, $195,000. AND COASTAL PARKS IS $1 BE 5 MILLION TOTAL $31,816,382 FOR THE FUND BALANCES THAT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THROUGH OUR BUDGET THROUGH THIS FISCAL YEAR.

THESE ARE JUST ESTIMATES AGAIN. THESE NUMBERS CAN INCREASE AND WE EXPECT THEM TO. THE BALANCES AND THE RATES WE HAVE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023 COMING UP FOR THE NEXT -- THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS COURT ON THE 17TH, WE WILL ACTUALLY PRESENT A PROPOSED RATE. THAT PROPOSED RATE WILL DETERMINE WHETHER A REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NECESSARY. THEN ON SEPTEMBER -- SEPTEMBER 7, WE WILL ACTUALLY GO THROUGH -- AND APRIL ADOPT A TAX RATE THAT THE COURT SO CHOOSES TO ADOPT.

THOSE ARE THE RATES AND THE VALUATIONS FOR THE -- FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, YOUR HONOR. I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE A FEW HERE. COMMISSIONERS, WHAT DO YOU GOT?

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OF COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, YOU SAID FIRST.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MINE IS RELATED TO THE DEBT SERVICE RATE, RIGHT. SO SINCE WE ARE NOT PROPOSING AND -- I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY PROPOSALS AND I CERTAINLY DOESN'T TO DO IT, BUT SINCE WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW DEBT COMING ON THIS TIME AROUND. HAVE WE CALCULATED YET -- I KNOW WHAT YOU CALCULATED THAT IT WOULD BE UNDER THESE SCENARIOS.

MY QUESTION IS DO YOU CALCULATE WHAT IT WILL BE NATURALLY.

>> PROVIDE 1 MOUNTAIN% OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

REQUIREMENTS AROUND $14 MILLION IF I AM I AM NOT MISS IS TAKEN.

FUND 114 MILLION FOR DEBT SERVICE REQUIREMENTS.

WE NEED WHAT WE ARE SAYING FULLY FUNDED.

IT WILL GIVE US 100% OF THE VALUE WE NEED.

NOW WE CAN REDUCE THAT IF WE NEED TO BECAUSE WE HAVE FUND BALANCE OF $3.8 BILLION IN THE DEBT SERVICE FUND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO UP THAT FAR. YOU LOOK AT LAST FISCAL Y YEAR .04622. ALMOST A 2% DECREASE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO FULLY FUND .042.

NOT MUCH BUT DOWNWARD. >> WHERE IT GETS TRICKY WITH THE TAX CODE. BECAUSE THE TAX CODE ALLOWS THE COUNTY OR THE CITY TO SET A TAX RATE FOR THE DEBT SERVICE FOR WHATEVER AMOUNT YOU NEED SO SET A NUMBER AT 3.5 AND DEBT SERVICE BELOW THAT AND NEVER PART OF THE CALCULATION OF HOW YOU SEE THE

RATES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: STILL COUNTS IN THE TAX RATE CALCULATION.

>> STILL COUNTS, YES. SOMETIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR OR SOME COUNTIES AND CITIES MAY ADD A LOT OF DEBT SERVICE FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT YEAR. AND NOW WE HAVE A LOT MORE RESPONSIBILITY. THIS YEAR WE HAVEN'T.

BUT WE HAVE A SMALL INCREASE THAT WE ARE HAVING TO FUND.

SO WE NEED TO BRING IN .42069. BECAUSE IF WE TAX IN THE NO NEW REVENUE AT .3702 WE USE MILLION DOLLAR OF OUR FUND BALANCE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: A MILLION DOLLARS?

>> A MILLION DOLLARS. >>JUDGE CANALES: ARE YOU REFERRING TO, MR. CHESNEY, FULLY FUNDED?

>> FULLY FUNDED MEANS IF WE ARE OWED $16 MILLION, THAT WILL

BRING US $16 MILLION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I GOT IT.

.02469 IS THE DEBT SERVICE RATE. >> 100% OF THAT.

NOT USING ANY FUND BALANCE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LAST YEAR WAS .044. SO IT COME DOWN A BIT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IMPORTANT NOTE ON THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THE DEBT SERVICE GOES WAY DOWN ON .037.

NOT FULLY FUNDED IT. UNDER THE NO NEW REVENUE YOU WILL HAVE TO START TAKING WHY YOUR FUND BALANCE.

AND THAT IS WHAT YOU NOTICE THERE.

THE OTHER THING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

WHILE WE HAVE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT HAVEN'T BEEN RIPE YET, WE ARE GETTING RFPS IN THE FIELD FOR THE SOFTWARE.

THE ERP SOFTWARE BUT THEY ARE NOT HE WILL GABLE FOR ARPA FUNDS, SO, THEREFORE, WE NEED TO BORROW DOLLARS FOR THE ERP

SOFTWARE FOR THE AUDITORS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:

REALLOCATE FROM OTHER COS. >>JUDGE CANALES: POTENTIALLY.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO WHY YOU ARE ATTENTION THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WHY YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE ON THAT FULLY FUNDED PART SO YOU ARE NOT TAP

IN TODAY WITH A FUND BALANCE. >> ONE QUESTION YOU MIGHT REALIZE ON OUR DEBT SERVICE RATE.

AND THAT IS HOW THE -- HOW THE CALCULATIONS HAVE CHANGED FROM A FEW YEARS UNTIL NOW. WHEN WE HAVE EXCESS COLLECTIONS AND A FEW EXCESS COLLECTIONS. THESE NUMBERS GO HIGHER.

THE FULLY FUND WILL GIVE US MORE THAN WE NEED TO PAY FOR THE BALANCES, AND SO IF WE GO AT THAT HIGH RATE, WE PROBABLY WILL

INCREASE OUR FUND BALANCE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO -- THE ANSWER THERE COULD BE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE --

>> WE DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO FULLY FUNDED.

WE CAN GIVE YOU SCENARIOS IF WE USE THIS, USE THIS AMOUNT OF FUND BALANCE. WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST OF THE .04572. BETWEEN 5% TO 7%.

THIS YEAR IT WAS 12%. MUCH.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST QUESTIONS FOR NEXT WEEK REALLY.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: FIND ENOUGH MONEY TO FUND HALF OF WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE SOFTWARE. AND WE JUST BORROW HALF?

CAN YOU BORROW HALF. >> YOU CAN LOOK -- IT IS UP TO THE COURT, IF YOU FIND SOME AND NEED HALF, THAT IS THE DECISION FOR THE COURT TO MAKE. WE CAN ALSO TRY TO WORK WITH THE

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VENDOR TO SEE IF PROVIDE FINANCING HOW THAT THEIR OWN.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T HAVE MANY TODAY BECAUSE WE DID THIS WEEK AND I AM GETTING READY FOR NEXT WEEK.

BUT, AGAIN, THE POINT NEXT WEEK IS TO CREATE THE CEILING NUMBER

ONLY. >> CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM JUST MAKING IT SURE SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS IT -- A CEILING NUMBER ONLY FOR NEXT WEEK ETCH.

WILL WE -- BUT WE DIG IN PRETTY HARD TO -- TO DIFFERENT THINGS AND DIFFERENT CUTS AND DIFFERENT ADDS AND WHATEVER THE COURT

WANTS TO DO. >> YES, ON THE 17TH, WE ARE REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY PROPOSE A R RATE. THAT RATE WILL SET YOU AT YOUR CEILING AMOUNT WHATEVER MIGHT BE THE CASE.

IF IT IS ANYTHING ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE TAX, WE WOULD REQUIRE NOTICES AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYTHING ABOVE. SO WHATEVER RATE -- ANYTHING ABOVE THAT. WHATEVER IT IS, AND, AGAIN, ONCE YOU GETS TO THAT NUMBER. THE HIGHEST YOU CAN GO.

IF YOU CAN'T GO ANY HIGHER WITHOUT REFILLING MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE TO TRY THE CEILING.

AND THAT IS THE MAXIMUM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: REALLY NEXT WEEK IS NOT THE -- NOT THE MEAT AND POTATOES.

>> NO, JUST TO SAY HERE IS OUR CEILING NLDZ GO THROUGH THIS POINT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 7. SEPTEMBER 7 WITH WHEN YOU VOTE ON THE RATE. FROM THAT POINT TO THAT POINT, YOU CAN DETERMINE WHAT IS TAKEN OUT OF THE BUDGET AND WHAT RATES

WE ACTUALLY FINALLY NEED. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL, JUDGE, THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND I AM GLAD JOHNNY STUCK AROUND BECAUSE WE DID NOT ADDRESS AT ALL HOSPITAL DISTRICT ON MONDAY.

I WANTED TO ASK JOHNNY, IF THE BOARD PASSED ANY ACTION REGARDING THEIRS WISHES TO HAVE THAT ON CONSIDERATION.

YOU CAN SEE THE BOARD HERE -- CONNIE, CAN YOU TAKE IT ON UP.

>> WE WILL NEED SOMETHING FOR THE 17TH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL SEED SOMETHING FOR THE 17TH, THE BOARD -- THE BOARD -- YOU WILL SEE THAT NO NEW REVENUE IS ABOUT -- I GUESS A CENT AND A HALF LESS AND THE VOTER APPROVED THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IS LESS THAN THE ADOPTED RATE LAST YEAR.

WHAT DID YOUR BOARD WEIGH IN ON HOW DID THEY WEIGH IN.

>> JUDGE, WE DID NOT GO INTO A IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

BUT FOR PURPOSE OF NEXT TUESDAY, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WILL ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE IS THE ONE YOU WON'T GO MIND R BEYOND. I AM NOT TELLING YOU THAT YOU WILL NEED THAT AMOUNT, BUT TIME TELLING YOU THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT OUR EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE BECAUSE THE TOO LARGE VARIABLES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET NEXT YEAR IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANT TO SUBMIT. HOW FAR YOU WANT TO GO AND WORK WITH THEM. THE OTHER THING WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON IS THE CAST FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.

LAST WEEK YOU ALL APPROVED MONEY FOR A DIVERSION CENTER.

IT IS NOT CLEAR WHO IS OPERATING THE CENTER.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THE INITIAL FUNDING GETS USED TO DO THE CENTER. SO WE NEED SOME ANSWERS ON SOME THINGS. BECAUSE DEPENDING IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO DRIVE WHICH TAX RATE WE COME BACK TO YOU FOR.

SO WHAT I AM TELLING YOU IS THAT IF THERE ARE -- IF THERE ARE NEW

PROGRAMS THAT ARE SIZABLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: DID YOU WATCH

OUR COURT COURT LAST WEEK. >> YOU IT NEED TO GO BACK AND REWATCH IT, AND THE ANSWER IS IT IS NO THE GOING TO AFFECT YOU THE NEXT FISCAL CYCLE. SO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, HAVING SAID THAT, YOU SHOULD STILL WATCH IT AND WE SHOULD STILL, YOU KNOW, ROUNDTABLE YOU WITH IDAY TO ASK HER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

AND YOU HAVE ANSWERED IT. I HAVE GOT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THIS AGENDA ITEM DOESN'T GIVE ME A LOT OF LATITUDE, BUT GIVES ME LATITUDE AS TO THE RATE. AND YOUR ASK IS FOR US TO CONSIDER NEXT WEEK FOR THE PURPOSES OF SETTING THE CEILING TO GO FOR THE.106188 WHICH IS THE VOTER APPROVED.

>> JUDGE, THAT WILL GIVE US THE MAXIMUM LATITUDE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ABSOLUTELY. >> LAST YEAR WE USED THE SAME APPROACH AND TOOK THE HIGHER RATE AND CAME IN SOMETHING FAR

LESS THAN THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF NEXT WEEK. I WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD THAT IS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS AND WE ARE TALK ABOUT ALL THE

OTHER STUFF, AS THEY SAY, LATER. >> JUST SO -- JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THE UNKNOWN VARIABLE OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT COST IS WHAT WANTS US TO BE CAUTIONARY AND ASK US TO CONSIDER THAT REAL FOR NEXT YEAR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM LOVING THAT YOU ARE GIVING US THE BE FEARFUL. .THAT IS WHAT I WAS ARGUING

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ABOUT. YOU ALREADY WON.

WE JUST GAVE THEM -- HELP ME OUT, $1.5 MILLION FOR THEIR WAIVER PROGRAM. AND WE GAVE THEM $1.7 MILLION FOR THE NORMAL. THEY ARE LOADED FOR BEXAR.

THEY WILL NOT NEED ONE MORE DOLLAR UNLESS SOME UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCE HAPPENS. WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY MORE EVERY THAN THAT WHICH YOU HAVE ALREADY AUTHORIZED WHICH WAS THE UP TO $2 MILLION. WE APPROVED LAST WEEK $1.7 MILLION, RIGHT, GUYS. THAT INCLUDED THE THEIR CPI OF 10%. WE ARE GOOD TO GO ON THEIR BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, JOHNNY.

AND WE ARE GOOD TO GO ON THE 1115 WAIVER.

YOU KNOW HOW THERE WERE SORT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.

SO THAT IS OVER WITH. YOU ARE GOOD TO GO THERE.

>> AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN NEXT YEAR, I AM NOT SURE THAT WE WILL NEED ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT WE ARE ABLE -- OUR EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. I NEED TO GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS. TALK TO THE BOARD.

COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ALL, BUT OUR CONCERN JUST TO BACK UP A MOMENT ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT IS THAT CONTRACT IS AN OPEN-ENDED CONTRACT IN TERMS OF COST.

SO YOU MAY HAVE ADDRESSED COST AND STUFF THIS YEAR, BUT THERE IS NEXT YEAR AND THE SUCCEEDING YEARS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM 100% WITH YOU.

WE SET A BUDGET FOR ONLY ONE FISCAL YEAR AND I DON'T DENY THAT EVERYTHING CAN CHANGE, BUT ONLY IN YEAR, YOU ARE ASKING ME -- THE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPLY FOR CONTINGENCIES. WE HAVE TWO FEDERALLY DECLARED EMERGENCY IN PUBLIC HEALTH. I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND NOT -- YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME CONTIN CONTINGENCIES. YOU SHOULD THINK.THAT AND THIS COURT IN YOUR CALCULATIONS, THERE IS A CONCERN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WITH YOU REGARDING OUR MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS AT A COST OF $# 18,000. I AM PUTTING YOU ON NOTICE A LEGAL CONCERN THERE OF ONE CONTRACT YEAR OVER LAST BEING DIFFERENT. SOME THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. BUT I THINK OVERALL, YOUR MESSAGE IS GIVE US FLEXIBILITY AND WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU

AFTER THAT. >> JUDGE, THAT'S CORRECT.

ONE MORE TIME JUST TO UNDER SCORE, I WANT TO SIGNAL TO YOU THAT THE DISTRICT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE OPEN-ENDEDNESS OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT'S CONTRACT.

BECAUSE THAT COST -- THEY HAVE COME UP TO YOU FOR $1.5 MILLION AND STEPPED UP AND PAID IT. THERE IS NEXT YEAR AND ALWAYS AN ASK. I CAN TELL YOU IT IS COMING.

AND WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE WE FUNDED THOSE THINGS.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO FUND THOSE THINGS AS WE GO FORWARD, WE JUST -- WE NEED TO WORK WITH Y'ALL AS Y'ALL WORK THROUGH THIS CONTRACT. BECAUSE -- LIKE YOU SAID JUDGE IN AN EARLIER MEETING, IT DOES COME BACK -- IT COMES BACK AND

FALLS IN OUR LAP. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT DOES.

IT DOES. I AM ON YOUR SIDE HERE.

I FOUGHT VIGOROUSLY. IT DOESN'T SEEM -- IT GOES ON DEAF EARS HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU AND TELL YOUR BOARD ANYMORE. I WISHED THAT THINGS WENT DIFFERENTLY. IT A TERRIBLY -- IT IS NO THE A GOOD WELL WORDED CONTRACT BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. I WARNED EVERYBODY.

I WARNED YOU. I WENT TO YOU AND I SAID HELP ME MAKE BETTER DOCUMENT. AND NOW WE ARE HAVING TO LIVE TO IT. I AM 100% WITH YOU.

HERE IS THE GOOD NEWS, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, I THINK YOU ARE SAFE. UP CANNOT PREDICT FOR FUTURE YEARS. BUT THIS YEAR, BASED ON WHAT THIS COURT DID THIS MORNING, PROTECTS THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT.

THAT IS HOW I SEE IT, JOHNNY. >> OKAY, JUDGE.

I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT NEXT WEEK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT.

[8. Receive update from legislative consultants Joel Romo/ Patricia Shipton, including update regarding Texas Insurance Windstorm Association (TWIA).]

I AM GOING TO MOVE TO PATRICIA SHIPTON AND JOEL ROMO.

IT IS ITEM NUMBER 8. AND IT IS RECEIVE THE UPDATE FROM THE LEGISLATIVE CONSULTANTS RECORDING TWEE YA AND GLAD YOU ARE ON. BECAUSE SOME CONCLUSION WITH THE MESS STAGE THAT TWIA I CAN'T SENT OUT WITH REGARD TO OPTING OUT RATHER THAN OPTING IN SENT OUT WITH REGARD TO OPTING OUT RATHER THA SENT OUT WITH REGARD TO OPTING OUT RATHER THA SENT OUT WITH REGARD TO OPTING OUT RATHER THAN OPTING INSENT OUT WITH REGARD TO OPTING OUT RATHER THAN OPTING IN SENT OUT WITH REGARD TO OPTING OUT RATHER THAN OSENT OUT WITH REGARD TO OPTING OUT RATHER THAN OPTING IN MAYBE S HESHGSED SOME LIGHT AND MAY SQUARE PEOPLE

WHEN THEY GET IN THE MAIL. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A

REPORT ON THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEM JUST

TALKING TO US. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GOOD TO HAVE THINGS WRITTEN LIKE THEY DID IN THE PAST JUDGE JOEL, DID

YOU HEAR THAT? >> YES, GOOD MORNING.

WE THINK PROVIDE MORE. WE DO A MONTHLY REPORT AND UPDATES ON TOP PROJECTS AND ON TWEE YA, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE HEARING THAT TOOK PLACE LAST WEEK.

WE JOINED THE DELEGATION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HEY, JOEL, REAL QUICK. DO YOU PROVIDE THEM MONTHLY? I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE IN AT THAT WHILE.

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ARE YOU SENDING THEM -- CAN YOU SEND -- COPY --

>> WE SEND THOSE TO BELINDA AND. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE

NOT SEEN THEM IN A WHILE. >> PATRICIA AND I HAVE BEEN WORK WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S OFFICE ON TWIA.

I JOINED THE DELEGATION FOR NUECES COUNTY IN GALVESTON TO TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY IN OPPOSITION TO A RATE INCREASE 553 WERE OPPOSED. ONE WAS YOU THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI.

AGAIN, I TESTIFIED ON BEHALF OF COMMISSIONERS COURT AND REITERATED THAT -- NOT ONLY SHARE THE COPIES OF THE RESOLUTION BUT REITERATED THE OPPOSITION TO ANY RATE INCREASE.

AND AS YOU SAW, THE -- THE TWIA BOARD VOTED NOT TO DO -- TO DO A ZERO RATE INCREASE. I DO WANT TO SHARE, A LOT OF POSITIVE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD IN A WHILE OF WANTING TO WORK WITH OUR DELEGATION, WANTING TO WORK WITH THE STAKE SHOULDERS IN TERMS OF FUTURE LEGISLATIVE NEEDS AND POTENTIAL.FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE TWIA BOARD.

CHAIRMAN HUNTER IS GOING TO PULL TOGETHER A WORK GROUP IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AND ASKED US -- BOTH PATRICIA AND I TO BE PART OF THAT IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY LEGISLATIVE SOLUTIONS BUT FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR TWIA THAT HE ASKED US TO PROVIDE INPUT IN ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY.

AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE, IT WAS -- CHAIRMAN HUNTER WAS APPRECIATIVE OF US BEING THERE. TESTIFIED.

WE JOINED OTHER FOLKS OF NUECES COUNTY IN DPALZ MUCH OF THE UNITED CHAMBER, THE CITY, THE PORT, BUSINESS LEADERS AND THE RTA. I WILL STOP THERE AND SEE IF

PATRICIA HAS ANYTHING TO ADD. >> NO, JOEL, YOU COVERED IT VERY WELL. I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, THE TWIA BOARD UNCHARACTERISTICALLY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.

I THINK IT IS TWO THINGS. AVID MADE APPOINTMENT THAT ARE MORE FAVORABLE TO COASTAL COMMUNITIES.

AND I THINK IT IS THE COLLECT COMMITTEE ON TWIA THAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AND SPEAKER HAVE MADE APPOINTMENTS TOO AND IN ANTICIPATION TO WORK THROUGH THOSE HEARINGS THAT, I THINK, HAS GOT THE BOARD'S ATTENTION. OVERALL I THINK IT IS A

POSITIVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS GOOD.

PATRICIA AND JOEL, I RECEIVED A LETTER ON AUGUST 8 AND I SENT IT TO CHAIRMAN HUNTER AROUND HE WAS GOING TO FOLLOW UP AND HE DID WITH ME AND TWIA AND THE TEXAS INSURANCE BOARD, BUT BASICALLY IT IS ADVISING TWIA POLICIES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RECEIVE AN AUTOMATIC INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 11%.

AND THAT THE PREMIUM FOR MOST POLICYHOLDERS COULD BE LESS THAN 11%. VERY CONFUSING.

FINALLY THEY SAY THIS INCREASE IS VOLUNTARILY AND THE PREMIUMS WILL INCREASE ONLY FOR POLICYHOLDERS THAT -- FOR THE INCREASE. HOW MISLEADING IS THAT.

MEANS PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE NORMAL OPPORTUNITY.

HAVE YOU SEEN IN, BRENT. I SEPTEMBER IT TO -- I SENT IT TO IDAY TO GET TO EVERYBODY. BASICALLY MAKE YOU OPT OUT.

FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A FAMILIAR LAR TEE WITH THESE DOCUMENTS, IE, A LOT OF OUR POPULATION, IT WILL BE TERRIBLY CONFUSING. I AM VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT IS VERY CRUEL TO MAKE PEOPLE OPT OUT.

THEY SHOULD MAKE THEM OPT IN. SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW I SENT THIS TO CHAIRMAN HUNTER. HE IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE DELEGATION. HE IMMEDIATELY MADE ALL THE CALLS, BUT I WANT TO SEE -- I WANT TO SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, PUNT SOME SORT OF MESSAGING CAMPAIGN OUT THAT THIS IS -- IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE GOING TO GO -- THEY ARE GOING TO GET -- THEY WILL HAVE TO OPT OUT INSTEAD OF OPT IN.

SO I AM SENDING THIS TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

THIS CAME BY, AND JUST, LIKE I SAID, TWO DAYS AGO AND I WAS HOPING THAT THEY WOULD AUTOCORRECT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T.

NO OTHER ADVISORY HAS BEEN RELEASED.

SO VERY TRICKY. VERY, VERY TRICKY.

>> WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH BOTH CHAIRMAN HUNTER AND LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE WITH TWIA AND GET CLARIFICATION.

>> I AM VERY UPSET ABOUT IT. A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS AND HAVE DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING THEIR MEANING WILL NOT GET STUCK WITH A 11% INCREASE. YOU KNOW -- SO, WELL, THANK YOU GUYS FOR GIVING THAT GOOD REPORT.

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ANYTHING ELSE FOR THEM, FOLKS? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHEN WE ARE GOING -- I GUESS I CAN PUT IT ON AS EASY AS ANYBODY ELSE. HOOKING AT A TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. OF.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK SHE HAS IT SLATED FOR UPCOMING TO, A, SAY WE HELP YOU TO COLLECT ONE. B, THE BULLETS POINTS ON A LEDGE CITY OF AGENDA AND MAKE THAT A SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER IF I MALL IN

TEE. >> COMMISSIONERS AND COURT, PATRICIA AND I WILL CALL YOUR OFFICE TO SCHEDULED ONE ON ONE MEET TO GO OVER LEGISLATIVE ITEMS. WE HAVE SOME VISITS WE HAD. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN -- THIS WAS A TWIA UPDATE. REAL QUICK ON TERMS OF LEGISLATIVE, WE MAY HAVE SOME REQUESTS FROM SCOTT CROSS.

WE HAVE BEEN VISITING WITH HIM ON SOME DUNE ISSUES, COASTAL BAY FOLKS. WE WILL HAVE A CALL WITH THEM ON MONDAY REGARDING FUNDING ISSUING THEY HAVE TAKEN TO CHARM HUNTER.

WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING A DRAFT AGENDA AFTER THEY HAVE TIME TO

VISIT YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I APPRECIATE THAT, JOEL. THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST FOR YOU TOO. THAT IDAY, SHE IS NOT HERE AT THE MOMENT BUT THAT SHE ACCEPTED OUT SOMETHING TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT STAYS, OKAY, SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE COURT TO CONSIDER PUTTING ON THEIR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. THEY WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT THE COUNTY CLERK OR THE TAX ASSESSOR. AND I KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ASSOCIATIONS AND DO WORK THEMSELVES.

SOMETIMES KARA AND KEVIN. WAYS TO HELP THEM, ASSIST THEM.

CERTAINLY THINGS. I WOULD LIKE FOR IDAY TO SEND IT OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. FORMULATE THIS AND IF THERE ARE LEGISLATIVE THINGS FOR THE COURT TO CONSIDER, PLEASE DO THAT SO WITH HE CAN GET SOME INPUT FROM ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS.

AND MAYBE -- ESPECIALLY ELECTED, RIGHTS.

DEPARTMENT HEADS CAN WEIGH IN. JUST TO GET THAT -- BECAUSE I AM SURE THAT WILL HELP US. AND WHAT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE, JOEL AND PATRICIA, AS YOU ALL ARE DOING THIS, GETTING -- STARTING WITH THE LAST ONE FROM LAST TWO YEARS AGO OF WHAT GOT ACCOMPLISHED AND WHAT DIDN'T. MAYBE SENDING THAT ALL AROUND TO ALL OF OUR OFFICES TO KIND OF START WEIGHING IN ON SOME OF THAT TO REFRESH OUR MEMORIES ON -- ON -- EXCUSE ME. FOR THOSE THINGS.

AND FOR JOEL AND PATRICIA -- ONE OF THE A AREAS -- AND I TALKED TO PATRICIA ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU GUYS CAN FOCUS ON SOME OF THE BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT WE NEED FOR YOU TO LOOK AT FROM A STATE LEVEL AS WELL.

JUST TO KIND OF GET INITIAL INPUT ON THAT FOR ME WOULD BE GREAT TO GET THAT ROLLING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

>> YES, SIR. WE CAN DO THAT.

WE HAVE AN E-MAIL WE PUT OUT COUPLE -- TWO YEARS PRIOR -- AND SHARE WITH IDAY AND GET A REQUEST TO THE DEPARTMENTS.

AND WE DID -- YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT.

AS A RESULT OF THAT E-MAIL AND VISITS TO NOT ONLY YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS AND OTHER DEPARTMENT LEADS, WE DID HAVE AGENDA ITEMS ADD TO THAT LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AS A RESULT OF THAT PROCESS. THAT IS IT WHAT WE -- WE WILL GET DONE THIS MONTH OVER THE NEXT --

>> I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD PROCESS, JOEL.

WE WILL GET IT STARTED WITH OUR OWN AGENDA FROM THE COUNTY.

AND WE OPEN INTERIM STUDIES AND INTERRIM CHARGE REPORTS TO COME OUT IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIME FRAME THAT WILL GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE TO BRING YOU SOME OF THOSE LEGISLATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THAT WE WILL THEN ADD TO IT BEFORE THE SESSION STAR

STARTED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

OKAY GREAT. I THINK UIDAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THAT, BUT GET REPORTS SENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

MONTHLY REPORTS. A REQUEST TO GET THEM TO EVERYBODY. AND SECOND, A REQUEST TO ASSIST -- I MEAN THEY WILL CALL EVERYBODY.

BUT JUST TO ASSIST JOEL AND PATRICIA OF HAVING INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS REGARDING LEGISLATIVE --

>> DO YOU HAVE MONTHLY REPORTS THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN?

>> NO. CHEST KHOST ARE THEY GOING TO.

THEY MAY BE BEING TO BELINDA? >> EVERYTHING THAT I RECEIVE -- HEY, FYI, I SEND OUT THOSE E-MAILS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU SEND THEM OUT LEFT AND RIGHT.

HAVE ANY IDEAS WHO THEY MAY BE? MAYBE I GUESS RESEND.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU SUBMIT THEM WITH YOUR INVOICE.

>> I SEND MINE TO THE INVOICE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHERE

DOES THE INVOICE. >> I DON'T GET THE INVOICE.

BUT I GET THE DOCUMENTS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COULD YOU SUBMIT THOSE REPORTS TO IDAY SEPARATE FROM THE INVOICE.

BECAUSE THEY GO ONE PLACE. SHE DOESN'T HAVE THEM AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.

>> ON MINE -- ONE OF THE ONES I SENT, BELINDA AND IDAY ARE

COPIED AS WELL AS TERESA. >> RIGHT.

AND I COMPLETE FAIL TO COPY EVERYBODY, JOEL.

BUT I WILL CORRECT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MAKE YOU NEED TO RESEND THEM ALL. SHOWER THIS NOT AROUND.

>> SURE REMEMBER WE CAN DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THANK

YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, THANKS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANKS, GUYS. APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I SENT A COPY OF THAT LETTER AS I SAID THAT CAME OUT 48 HOURS

AGO. >> GOOD.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S -- I AM NOT SURE IF THEIR GENUINENESS AT THE MEETING WAS GENUINE. BECAUSE I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD THAT E-MAIL. HAD TO HAVE GOTTEN APPROVED BY COMS. IT HAD TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. NO WAY THAT E-MAIL WOULD HAVE GONE OUT WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE.

AND IT IS TERRIBLY -- IT IS TERRIBLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RETRACTION AND REAL EXPLANATION.

AGAIN, I TOLD COMMISSIONER -- I TOLD CHAIRMAN HUNTER I THINK IT IS MERIT-- MERITORIOUS WHEN PEOPLE GET THEIR BILLS WHAT THEY

NEED TO DO TO OPT OUT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GOT

MINE AND I DIDN'T KNOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER

CHESNEY DIDN'T KNOW. >> THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM NUMBER 9, WE WENT AHEAD AND SAID WE WOULD -- WE WOULD WAIT FOR -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CALL SCOTT MEARS AND ASK HIM. WE CAN SKIP 9 AND HAVE THEM BE READY, THE IGSA, THE TASK -- I BELIEVE HE WAS GOING TO JOIN US.

[9. Discuss and consider Task Order No. 1 related to Intergovernmental Services Agreement (IGSA) with Naval Air Station - Corpus Christi (NAS-CC); discuss and consider Goodbuy #22 7N000 purchase with Shoreline Plumbing Co. for fire hydrant work related to IGSA Task Order No. 1, subject to NAS-CC quote approval.]

>> HE IS NOT. HE COULDN'T DO IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: TASK ORDER NUMBER 1 WAS FOR THE FIRE HYDRANT WORK RELATED TO THEIGSA TAX.

IT IS A QUOTE -- OH, HERE IS EDWARD, EXPLAIN AND GOES TO NAS-CC FOR APPROVAL. WE ACT FIRST AND GETS SENT TO NAS-CC. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN EXPLAIN AND THEN ALSO TELL ME THAT SCOTT HAS -- THIS IS GOOD

TO GO WITH THE CAPTAIN. >> PRETTY MUCH GOOD TO GO, JUDGE. ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE WORK WITH THE PERSONNEL. THIS IS THE FIRST PART IN THE PROCESS. SO WE -- IN THIS SCENARIO, WE HAVE USED -- PROCURED A LOCAL COMPANY THAT IS SHORELINE COMPANY TO DO THE WORK. A PURCHASING PROGRAM.

WE GET A BID FOR IT. WE GET A PRICING FOR IT.

WE TAKE IT TO THEM. THEY DECIDE IF IT IS TOO MY OR TOO LOW. IF IT IS TOO HIGH, THEY WILL TELL US IT IS TOO HIGH. WE WILL BRING IT BACK AND GO THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS. IN THIS CASE MAYBE COMPETITIVE BIDDING. TAKES LONGER AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS SHORTEN THE PROCESS AND GET THE WORK AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE THERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TURN EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO THE BACK OF 3, TAB 9. FIRST PAGE, TURN IT OVER AND YOU WILL SEE THAT NUECES'S DIRECT COST ARE $18,000.

WE WILL RECOVER THOSE. INDIRECT ARE $684.

AND OUR FEE WILL MAKE $7,000 ON THIS PROJECT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ARE WE KEEP THAT, DALE, LIKE A LINE ITEM TO SHOW WE CAN -- THERE WAS SOME SKEPTICISM ABOUT THIS PROGRAM GOING IN. JUST TO SHOW THE PUBLIC IT IS WORKING AND WE ARE MAKING ACTUAL DOLLARS ON IT.

>> WE WILL HAVE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM, A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT SHOWING THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE WE RECEIVE FROM THESE AGREEMENTS.

AND ACCORDING TO COMMISSIONERS COURT, THAT REVENUE CAN BE USED FOR WHATEVER SOURCE. RIGHT NOW THE REVENUE FOR THE GO EN RALE FUND WHERE THEY MOST NEED THE FUNDS.

IF YOU CAN CHOOSE TO A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND TO KEEP IT SEPARATELY BUT ASSIGNED TO GO TO THE GENERAL FUND.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM NOT SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, I WOULD LIKE SOME OTHER WAY --

>> A SEPARATE LINE ITEM TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH EACH YEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IS HOW WE WENT.

WE SPENT 100,000 AND GOT $130,000 BACK.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PERCENTAGE. >> WE WILL BE CREATING A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

THAT DEPARTMENT WILL ONLY HAVE THE FUNCTION IN IT WITH REVENUE

EXPENSE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAY LOT MORE VALUE WITH US MAKING MONEY. WHAT WE WILL TO DO HELP THE MILITARY PRESENCE. AND IT IS KIND OF NEW AND NEW FOR THE COUNTY OF. I THINK EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE

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PULL IT OUT AND SAYS IT WORKING. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU GET PEOPLE'S TIME BACK. YOU ARE BUDGETED.

YOU ARE BRINGING MONEY BACK IN THE BUDGET FOR PEOPLE'S TIME.

AND THAT INCLUDES BELINDA'S TIME, EDWARD'S TIME, AUDITOR'S TIME. IT IS ACCOUNTED FOR.

REALLY GOOD. THANK YOU, EDWARD.

I GUESS THE DESCRIPTION -- HERE IT IS.

THE DESCRIPTION ON THE ACTUAL WORK IS ON THE FOLLOWING PAFRJ.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND THE AGREEMENT.

MUCH PASSAGE. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

TWO ACTION ITEMS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL LET HIM

MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE FIRST. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOVE PASSAGE OF TASK ORDER NUMBER 1 WITH THE NAVAL AIR STATION

CORPUS CHRISTI. >>JUDGE CANALES: HIS MOTION IS TO APPROVE AND I WILL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THEN THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE GOOD BY WITH SHORELINE PLUMBING COMPANY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: TASK ORDER NUMBER 1. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OKAY.

[10. Discuss and consider Amendment No. 2 to the Interlocal Agreement with the City of Corpus Christi related to Parker Pool for purposes of providing a general public swim program.]

THEN ITEM NUMBER 10 IS PARKER POOL.

YOU HAD ASKED THIS TO COME BACK. HE HAD WARD, IS EVERYTHING IN

ORDER HERE. >> I HAVE TO COMMENT THAT COMMISSIONER DID A LOT OF GOOD WORK ON THIS ONE.

IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT. WE ARE GETTING OUR FUNDING BACK.

WE HAVE A LOT OF MIAMI PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WITH COVID AND THE MEAT AND EVERYTHING, A LOT OF SWIMMERS.

WE ARE PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT COMMISSIONER HELPED US GREATLY IN GET THIS FUNDING FROM THE CITY BACK TO PAY FOR NO SWIM

THIS YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AS YOU LIKE -- YOU ARE USING -- I WILL CONTINUE MY BROMANCE WITH EDWARD TOO. I DEVELOPMENT WORK WITH EDWARD A LOT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INLAND PARK PROJECTS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW AND HE KEPT THIS RUNNING AND ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT LITTLE BIT DOWN THE ROAD AND SHOESTRINGED THIS AND PIECEMEAL THIS.

WE NEED TO WORK FOR DIFFERENT STUFF IN THIS BUDGET, BUT HE HAS DONE VERY WELL AND FLO HAS DONE WELL WITH HER BOARD.

A COMMUNITY EFFORT. AND I APPRECIATE IT.

HE HAD WARD EASY. HE DOESN'T BOTHER -- BOTHER SOUNDS WRONG. HE DOESN'T CALL ON ME MUCH, BUT WHEN HE DOES, I KNOW I NEED TO GET INVOLVED.

I APPRECIATE YOU DOING YOUR JOB ON THIS EDWARD AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND. I WILL MOVE PASSAGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU PASSAGE. JUST THE AGREEMENT, EDWARD, RIGHT. THIS LET'S US GO FURTHER INTO

THE FUTURE. >> WE SHOULD GET A CHECK NEXT

WEEK. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY

PASSED IT YESTERDAY. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: REAL

QUICK. >>JUDGE CANALES: HOLD ON.

WE HAVE GOT SOME DISCUSSION. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: KIND OF LOOSELY CONNECTED AND TO BETTER UNDERSTAND.

I KNOW YOU HANDLE PARKER POOL. BUT PROBABLY TWO MILES FROM THE COAST. IS THAT STATUTORY OR SET UP

INHER REPRESENTLY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT A

COASTAL ASSET. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: I LIKE -- PATRICIA AND JOEL ARE OFF, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE CONSIDERED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IMPACTS FUNDING, BUT I AM WONDER GOING THEY ARE AVAILABLE BY FUNDING.

THEY ARE LITERALLY RIGHT THERE. PARKER POOL -- THE BAY IS RIGHT THERE. THE WALKWAY IS RIGHT THERE.

I CAN'T MANAGE PLENTY OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE WORK YOU DO IS NOT GREAT, BUT TO HAVE INLAND PARK FROM FLOWER BLUFF TO JIM WELLS COUNTY LINE AND ALL POINTS NORTHND SOUTH IS CRAZY. JUST.

AND COASTAL PARK JUST THE -- YOU MAY WANT THAT.

AND WE WOULD WANT TO AT LEAST EXPLORE THAT.

AND IF THERE IS NOT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN SEEK EVEN IF INCLUDED THAT IN COASTAL PARKS.

I DO THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING CHANGED IN A LOCAL BILL AND WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.

NOT WANTING TO TAKE MORE WORK FROM YOU AWAY BUT YOU ALREADY GOT ENOUGH. AND FOR SPOTS RIGHT HERE.

MAKES SENSE. WHY NOT.

HAVE COASTAL PARKS WITHIN A MILE OF -- OF THE COAST OR TWO MILES WITH -- FROM THE GULF COAST. THE GULF OF MEXICO.

YOU KNOW I JUST -- I THINK THAT MAKES BETTER SENSE OF HOW WE ARE

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STRUCTURED. I AM SHOWING IT OUT THERE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS NOT PART OF THE AGENDA AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY ON YOUR INVOLVEMENT HERE, BECAUSE THAT JUST DOES NO THE MAKE SENSE. JUDGE AND IF BELINDA IS LISTENING OR IDAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE. NOT TRYING TO UNDERCUT ANYBODY, BUT IF IT MAKES BETTER SENSE FOR US TO BE ORGANIZED, THEN LET'S DO THAT. IF IT MEANS YOU TAKING ON MORE AND KEEPING THAT, THAT'S FINE. LET US HAVE A HEALTHY DISCUSSION ON THAT INDIVIDUALLY WITH OUR LOBBYISTS AND THEN AS A GROUP WHEN WE PLAN OUT OUR AGENDA LATER IN THE YEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS GOING TO SAY IF YOU TAKE EDWARD AWAY FROM THIS GROUP MAY HAVE MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY BECAUSE IN

FLOWER BLUFF. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: WE LOVE EDWARD TOO, BUT IF YOU ARE CLOSER.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS FOR ANOTHER DAY.

THEY GET IT -- HE HAS . >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST SO I KNOW, GUYS, THIS IS THE INTERLOCAL. WHEN YOU SAY THEY WILL GIVE US OUR MONEY. IS THAT FOR LAST YEAR?

>> THIS YEAR. >> LAST YEAR WE GOT A CHECK.

>> WHEN YOU SAY THIS YEAR, SAY THIS FISCAL YEAR.

>> I HAD TO SUPPLEMENT FUNDS FOR THIS YEAR.

>> DOES IT COME BACK TO YOU? >> YES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. AND SO NEXT YEAR, EDWARD, WE ARE GOING TO PUT -- AT LEAST THE PROPOSAL IS TO PUT $25,000 IN.

TO PARKER POOL ON A OUR BUDGET. FYI AS THEY SAY.

>> THAT IS GREAT, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WE HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME -- WHAT REALLY MESSED US UP.

WE WERE DOING VERY AS WELL PRIOR TO COVID, AND THEN THE CITY KIND OF HELPED US BUT DIDN'T HELP US WHEN THEY WENT -- THEY WENT TO ALL THEIR -- ALL THEIR POOLS TO ZERO FUNDING.

SO NOBODY HAS TO PAY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR

FREE SWIM. >> THEY WANTED TO INCLUDE PARKER BUT THAT KIND OF THREW US OUR -- OUR LOOP OFF.

SO ALL OUR COLLECTIONS, ALL OUR DONATIONS AND ALL THAT GOT THROWN INTO A MORASS TO SO SPEAK.

WHEN COVID HIT, YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE THINGS FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK TO NORMAL.

COMMISSIONER, THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU WORKING ON A BUDGET. SOLID THIS YEAR.

SOME MONEY RETURN TO THE ACCOUNT AND WE SHOULD BE GOOD GOING INTO

NEXT YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS FOR NEXT YEAR FOR 2023.

SO WE HAVE TO -- WE HAVE TO PUT -- THIS IS -- THIS IS THE END OF THE DEAL. AND SO WE ARE BEING MADE WHOLE BY THIS. THE CITY PASSED IT YESTERDAY.

MONDAY AND TUESDAY. I CAN'T -- THEY PASSED IT.

AND WE WILL -- WE WILL RE-- REVISIT THIS GOING FORWARD FOR NEXT YEAR. THUS PART OF THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST. BECAUSE WE DON'T -- I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY MONEY FUNDED FOR PARKER POOL.

KIND OF A WEIRD ANOMALY. THAT IS NOT FOR TODAY.

WE ARE GETTING OFF TRACK. I APOLOGIZE.

BUT, AGAIN. >>JUDGE CANALES: SINCE YOU HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY, TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR BOND. THEY HAVE MORE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR PARKS AND REC WHICH IS AWESOME.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS SOURCE POOL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEIR POOL THAT WE TOOK OVER.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS IS A WEIRD DEAL.

BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GOING TO NOT DO THIS.

BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY POOL IN TOWN CHARGE FOR FREE SWIM. SO WE WENT TO THE CITY AND THEY AGREED TO INCLUDE US IN THAT. BUT I DON'T -- YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY WANT TO BE RELIABILITY ON THE CITY TO RUN OUR POOL SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN OUR POOL, I MEAN FINANCIALLY. WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON THAT AND COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN. HE HAD WARD AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO.

THIS IS JUST FOR -- TO GET MADE WHOLE OBJECT THIS.

THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS. >> CORRECT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONERS THIS.

THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS. >> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS THIS. THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS.

>> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMIS THIS.

THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS. >> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS THIS. THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS.

>> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMIS THIS.

THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS. >> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS THIS. THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS.

>> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERSP THIS.

THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS. >> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMISM THIS. THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS.

>> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS THIS.

THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS. >> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMIS THIS. THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS.

>> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERSO THIS.

THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS. >> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERSN THIS. THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS.

>> CORRECT, THANK YOU COMMIS

COMMISSIONERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

WE ALREADY DONE NUMBER 11, NOW WE ARE GOING TO DO NUMBER 12.

AND IT WHAT I WAS REALLY HOPING IS MAYBE WE COULD GET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 21. BUT I WOULD LIKE -- BEFORE WE HEAR FROM -- BEFORE WE WORK ON NUMBER 12, IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE OUR 30 MINUTE -- LIKE WE DID LAST COURT.

IT HELPS FOR THOSE OF US WHO DON'T GET UP OUT OF OUR SEAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T. COULD WE DO A -- YOU KNOW, A --

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I COULD DO 12:30 TO 1 O'CLOCK. AND I THINK IN THE NEXT 30 MINUTES GET TO THE REST OF THE REGULAR AGENDA.

COULD I GET A MOTION FOR THAT? I WILL SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ANY -- ANY OPPOSE TO THAT CONCEPT? I WOULD BE WILLING TO RECONSIDER IF THERE WAS A BETTER TIME LIKE YOU WANTED TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. WELL THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TAKE THAT 12:30 TO 1:00 BREAK, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[12. Discuss and consider approval of Supplemental Agreement to Engineering Services Contract between Nueces County and Lockwood, Andrews & Newnam, Inc. related to adjustment of hourly rates.]

SEE HOW QUICKLY WE CAN MOVE. I BET WE CAN.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT ON ENGINEERING SERVICES BETWEEN NUECES COUNTY AND LAN. AND ARE THEY ONLINE? NO? NO? OKAY. RELATING TO THE ADJUSTMENT OF HOURLY RATES. THIS IS A CONTRACT -- I WILL REFER TO JENNY. IN THEIR CONTRACT, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BEFORE THE COURT VERY MUCH LIKE A CPI, RIGHT. JUST AN ADJUSTMENT OF THE RATES BASED UPON THE -- ON CONSUMER -- I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SITUATION

-- ECONOMIC SITUATIONS. >> YES.

AND THIS WAS ONE THAT DID NOT PASS LAST YEAR.

THEY HAVE ASKED THAT IT BE BROUGHT AGAIN.

SO NOW THEY ARE IN THEIR SECOND YEAR WITHOUT ANY CHANGE.

FOR THE COURT'S CONSIDERATION THEY ARE OFFERING UP TWO DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES WHICH IS AS THEY PRESENTED, IT BECOMES A SHALL. THAT IT WILL BE REVIEWED AND RAISED EVERY SING OTHER YEAR AND PRESENTED THE COURT WITH A CHOICE OF LEAVING IT AS MAY SO THE COURT HAS A CHOICE WHETHER OR NOT TO RAISE AND REVIEW THAT MOVING FORWARD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK IT ALL TO IT BE MAY IN EVERYBODY'S CONTRACT BECAUSE DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS GO.

I MEAN, IF YOU WERE ASKING. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND DO WE DO THIS. I KNOW WE VOTED ON A COUPLE ALREADY THIS YEAR WHERE WE DID MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT.

AND MY CONCERN IS JUST THE WHOLE EQUITY OF IT.

IF WE DO FOR ONE VENDOR, WHAT THE PHENOL SEE FOR NOT DOING ON -- PHILOSOPHY OR DOING ON THE OTHER.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T REMEMBER ANYBODY COME AND ASKING

US. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE BECAUSE I POINTED IT OUT WHEN THEY DID IT.

WE HAVE DONE ADJUSTMENTS. JUAN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? YOU BROUGHT SOMEONE UP FOR THE ADJUSTMENT OF HOURLY RATES.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE TAMPA BUT WE DID IT --

>> JUDGE, THE ONE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS FOR ABSOLUTE WASTE FOR CONSTRUCTION -- NOT CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DO THE GARBAGE OR TRASH PICPICKUP.

>>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT. >> CPI INDEX AND THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE REQUESTED. NO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE DON'T PAY FOR THAT.

>> NO, SIR, YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WAS -- I DON'T REMEMBER US DOING ANY -- AS I WAS SAYING I DON'T REMEMBER US DOING ANY ADJUSTED RATES FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. CONTRACTOR LIKE MAYBE IN EIGHT YEARS I WAS BEEN HERE. I DON'T REMEMBER DOING ANY OF IT. WHATEVER IT IS IT IS.

AND LET'S TALK OF THE NEW ONES WE ADDED.

WHAT IS IN THEIR CONTRACT ARE THEY GOING TO COME FOR

ADJUSTMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE

ADDED NEW PROGRAM MANAGERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: DID YOU LOOK IN THEIR CONTRACTS? JENNY, DO YOU REMEMBER? TYPICALLY IT DOESN'T COME TO COURT -- NOT COME TO COURT, BUT TYPICALLY PART OF THE CONTRACT. CPI IS PART OF THE CONTRACTS AND THE REASON IS THE PREVAILING WAGE.

NOT SOMETHING THAT IS UNUSUAL. APPEAR THEPORT I SAW IT ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR FUTURE CONTRACTS, MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO.

>> SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WILL SEE OFFERED UP MORE OFTEN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE ECONOMY. IT IS NOT UNUSUAL --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK YOUR QUESTION OF EQUITY IS A FAIR QUESTION, JUDGE. THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO ADDRESS. I AM NOT FOR OR AGAINST RIGHT NOW. I AM MORE LIKE -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT WHAT THE OTHER CONTRACTS ARE.

AND IF THIS -- YOU KNOW, AND WHAT -- WHAT THESE OTHER -- WE JUST ADDED A COUPLE MORE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IS IN THERE. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS

-- >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: OPEN

UP A DOOR. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THREE MORE AND NO THE IN THEIR CONTRACT.

I AM JUST SAYING -- YOU ARE RIGHT.

IT NEEDS TO BE EQUITABLE. SO CAN WE --

>> WE CAN DO A SURVEY OF THOSE THINGS.

AS FAR AS I AM AWARE I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT AS A COMMON THING OR RECENT THING. BUT LET ME PUT OUT THE FEELERS

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AND I CAN HAVE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE THE END OF COURT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOLD ON TO THIS FOR NOW.

BUT THE PROGRAM MANAGER ONES WE JUST ADDED AND THE MOST

COMPARABLE. >> ANYBODY WITH AN HOURLY RATE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT THESE WILL BE APPLES AND APPLES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SOUNDS GOOD. WE WILL HOLD ON.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AM JUST -- I JUST HAVE ONE

QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE COME TO A POINT WE WILL START RAISING THE ALREADY --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GET CLOSER.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: FOR CONTRACTORS AND OTHER -- OTHER ENGINEERS WHATEVER IT IS EVERYBODY.

IS IT -- I -- I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I HAVE A PROBLEM PAYING OUR EMPLOYEES.

YOU KNOW, MORE MONEY AND HERE WE GO TRYING TO GIVE OUR -- YOU KNOW, OUR CONTRACTORS MAKE IT LONG-TERMING MULTIFAMILY 200 AND SOME DOLLARS. DON'T FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE.

IF WE GO BACK AND SEE WHAT OUR BUDGET HAS AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH OUR EMPLOYEES AND INCREASE EVERYTHING.

ARE WE GOING TO INCREASE OUR EMPLOYEES BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING EL ELSE.

I NEVER -- I NEVER HEARD ABOUT. AS FAR AS -- AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN HERE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EVER DONE THIS.

>> AND COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE REASON BACK IN JANUARY AND DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, I COULD NOT RECOMMEND IT. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE INCREASE IN PAY FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON OR REQUEST FOR INDIVIDUAL PERSON THAT IS ON HERE, LIKE A PROJECT PRINCIPLE AN ADDITIONAL 21 AN HOUR. ANOTHER $18 PER HOUR.

THE SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AN ADDITIONAL $21 PER HOUR.

AND THEN FOR THE SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AN ADDITIONAL $16 PER HOUR. FOR THE PROJECT MANAGER AN ADDITIONAL $17 PER HOUR. AND FOR THE PROJECT MANAGERS, AN ADDITIONAL $15 PER HOUR. FOR THE ENGINEERING 7, AN AN ADDITIONAL $22 AN HOUR. CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, AN ADDITIONAL $16 AN HOUR. AND PROJECT COORDINATOR I THINK IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL $13 AN HOUR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JP GROM IS ON THE LINE.

WILL YOU UNMUTE JP. THOSE DOLLARS REFLECT A CPI INDEX. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS THAT REFLECTS AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS IN ALL OF YOUR CONTRACTS THAT YOU DO IN THE STATE OR IS THIS ONE UNUSUAL AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION WITH REGARDS TO HOW OTHER ENGINEERING -- WE WILL TAKE A SEARCH FOR OTHERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I DID JOIN IN THE MIDDLE OF JUAN RUNNING DOWN THE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.

OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY WAS A MULTIYEAR AGREEMENT.

AND IT WAS STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT THE INITIAL YEAR STATED OUR RATES. AND THE AGREEMENT INDICATED THAT EVERY YEAR THOSE RATES WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ADJUSTMENT.

WE ATTEMPT TO HAVE AN ADJUSTMENT A YEAR AGO, AND WE WERE TURNED DOWN BY THE COURT. WE HAVE OF THIS YEAR ASKED AGAIN AND AS A WAY OF HELPING EVERYONE FIND COMFORT IN THE NUMBER THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED, WE HAVE TIED THAT TO THE INDEX THAT IS REFERENCED IN THE AMENDMENT AND WE THINK THAT IS A FAIR WAY TO REPRESENT OUR INCREASED COSTS AS WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. LAN, WHEN WE DEVELOPED OUR ANNUAL SALARY ADJUSTMENTS WE BENCHMARKED AGAINST THAT RATE AND I CAN TELL THAT YOU OUR FOLKS HAVE RECEIVED RAISES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND THEY ARE OUT OR PETITION LOW THE RATE STATED IN THE ADJUSTMENT. AND IT IS NOT -- NOT UNCOMMON IN AN HOURLY ARRANGEMENTS THAT SPANS MULTIPLE YEARS FOR THERE TO BE AN ESCALATION CLAUSE IF THE COURT WILL THINK OF THIS IN A MOMENT. IN A MULTIYEAR, IF WE CHARGE WHAT WE HAVE THE FINAL YEAR OF THE AGREEMENTS TO BE, THEN THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE PAID MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE PAYING OUR FOLKS IN THE EARLY YEARS. IN THE EVENT OF SOME TERMINATION WOULD OVERPAY EFFECTIVELY. AN ANNUAL INDEX IS RECOMMENDED

AND USED IN THE AGREEMENT. >> OKAY.

SO THAT HELP US? >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THE

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OTHER THING, JENNY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

WHAT THE RATES ARE -- WHAT HE SAID MADE ME THINK OF THAT.

WHAT ARE WE PAYING OTHER PROGRAM MANAGERS IN OUR CONTRACTS PER HOUR AGAIN TO LOOK AT THE EQUITABILITY OF THAT TO.

SO I AM GOING TO SAY THAT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I WOULD RATHER WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK ON BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THIS COMPARES. JP REACHED TO ME AND I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET TO HIM. I AM NOT TRYING TO AVOID HIM.

I'M BEYOND SWAMPED. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS MY BAD.

WAY TONIGHT GET THAT INFORMATION AND LOOK AT IT AND BE FAIR PAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER PROJECT PRINCIPLES, THE OTHERS MAKING THAT WE JUST HIRED TOO. AND I THINK IT IS FAIR.

A FAIR LOOK. I AM NOT TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT

ANY DISCUSSION. >>JUDGE CANALES: IS THAT A

MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: IS THIS INCREASE BASED ALSO ON THE PERFORMANCE VALUE EVALUATION?

>>JUDGE CANALES: NO THE A PERFORMANCE-BASED.

CPI. THE CONSUMER PRICED ARE INDEX ESTABLISHED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS. AS OUR ECONOMY CHANGES WITH HE REJUST THE CPI. AND HIS POINT IS WHEN WE NEGOTIATE THE MULTIYEAR CONTRACT, YOU TYPICALLY DON'T PUT YEAR FOUR IN YEAR ONE. THIS CONTRACT WAS DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF A MULTIYEAR CONTRACT AND IN YEAR ONE, YOUR PRICE WILL BE ON YEAR TWO OR THREE AND DIDN'T MAKE IT MANDATORY BECAUSE A IMPLICATION WE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS. LAST YEAR WE DID NOT MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT AND HE IS SAYING THIS YEAR MAKE SURE YOU MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT. BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC FORCES WE HAD TO ALREADY ADJUST OUR PRICE WITH OUR EMPLOYEES AND THAT WAS TO BENEFIT YOU GUYS EARLY ON TO HAVE A LOWER LEVEL AND OVER TIME GET TO WHAT THE ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENTS WHICH, AGAIN, IS PRODUCED BY AN INDEX. THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE SO IT IS WORTHY OF THE LOOK TO SEE HOW OTHER OTHERS ARE DOING IT.

>> OUR OFFICE IS READY, WILLING AND ABLE AND DOING RIGHT NOW THE LEGAL ANALYSIS. BUT AS FAR AS THE BUSINESS ANALYSIS WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE WILL HAVE TO SEEK THE ASSISTANCE

OF THE COURT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO THE 31S.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL ANY MORE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE 17TH DO WITH THIS BUDGET STUFF THAN TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE.

UP KNOW I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS SUNS I DO IT.

I WANT TO WITHDRAW. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO SP EXACTLY THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE DO FOR EVERY OTHER PROGRAM MANAGER THAT WE DO.

COSTWISE. HAVE WE DONE THESE INCREASES.

I DON'T REMEMBER THEM. REMEMBER THE CPI INCREASES.

I LIKE THAT HISTORICALLY FROM WHOEVER, YENNY.

FROM THE BUSINESS SIDE, WHO WE AGREE TO PAY THE OTHER PROGRAM MANAGERS ON A SIDE BY SIDE SO I CAN SEE BECAUSE THERE IS AN EQUITY QUESTION AND I DON'T REMEMBER US OFFER DOING CPI INCREASES ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING FOR. I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK THAT FROM. IDAY, I WILL ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE THE COUNTY MANAGER. IF YOU NEED PEYTON TO HELP, THAT IS GREATS. I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO GETS IT AHEAD OF THAT MEETING SO I WILL ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET HERE, IF POSSIBLE. THAT TATE ASK OF THE COUNTY MANAGER. NOW I WILL MAKE MY MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL AUGUST 31 -- WHENEVER -- WHENEVER THAT LAST

MEETING. >> WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WHENEVER

THE LAST MEETING IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHENEVER THE LAST MEETING IN AUGUST. I CAN WAIT ON MY MOTION TO TABLE. I AM NOT TRYING TO QUASH THE DISCUSSION. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS IT, I CAN PULL THAT BACK. BUT IT NOT, THAT WILL BE MY

MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO THAT IS THE MOTION. WE HAVE GOT A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- WHENEVER WE DO THE LAST WEEK IN AUGUST.

OKAY. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE MEETING YET. JUST MAKE IT THAT WAY GENERIC.

[14. Discuss and consider funding of HQ office management software for County Attorney’s office through American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA).]

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SOFTWARE.

AND THAT IS CALL HQ. AND I PUT IT ON HERE TO DISCUSS

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ITS FUNDING HOW THAT THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH ONE, JUDGE?

>>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM 14. ITEM 14 HAS BEEN VETTED BY HAGERTY AS BEING ELIGIBLE. AND SO, I GO THE TO TURN TO MY NUMBER BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIALIZED HERE.

LET'S SEE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE CAN I -- NO, GO AHEAD -- BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE

THIS. >>JUDGE CANALES: ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE. I DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE FOR WHATEVER REASON. BUT I BELIEVE IT IS ON OUR SPREADSHEET. JENNY, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME.

BUT MY MOTION IS TO BE ABLE TO AUTHORIZE THE -- THANK YOU.

AUTHORIZE THIS TO BE PAID FOR AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH MICHAEL TO GET THE PROPER PROCUREMENT.

GET THE RIGHT LANGUAGE. WE ARE LEARNING A TON OF OUR DIRECT LANGUAGE. YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW -- OR SATISFY THE -- IS THERE BACKUP ON THIS ONE.

>> IT WAS PART OF THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS ONE CAME -- THIS WAS PART OF YOUR HAGERTY PIECE OF IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OH, FROM LAST WEEK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HAVE A WHOLE THING ON IT.

BASICALLY. THE 70 -- LET ME JUST READ IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: 7800 ONE-TIME FEE.

OKAY. $7800 ONE-TIME FEE.

OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WHERE HE NEEDED TO CHECK FOR TWO LICENSES.

>> THAT'S NOT. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO WE NEED OUR OWN. SO HERE IS THE GIG.

IF YOU WANT TOPPED TAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO '26.

IT IS $240,000. THAT IS EVERYTHING -- $240,000.

OKAY. AND THAT -- THAT IS BASICALLY

GET US ALL THE WAY THROUGH 2026. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO PASS, JUDGE. I REMEMBER THIS NOW.

>> WHAT IS YOUR MOTION? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE FUNDING OF THE HQ -- WHEN I SAY MOTION

-- >> UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM NOT BEING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DON'T FIGHT WITH KARA.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM ASKING -- IF I AM DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

TELL ME HOW -- I SAY MOTION TO PASS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER FUNDING OF HQ OFFICE MANAGEMENT.

IF YOU NEED FOR ME TO RESTATE THAT EVERY TIME, I AM HAPPY TO.

>> CAN I ANSWER. THE REASON BEING SOMETIMES YOU TEND TO GO OFF ON THESE TANGENTS OF MOTIONS.

AND IT IS NOT REALLY ALWAYS CLEAR.

SO WHEN WE GO BACK -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL

TRY TO BE MORE CLEAR. >> WHEN YOU SAY MOVE APPROVAL, IT IS NOT CLEAR REALLY TO THE AUDIENCE.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAY MOTION TO PASS ITEM 14.

>> AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION

FOR ITEM 14. >> AND DOLLAR AMOUNT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH SHE JUST READ.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO PASS THE FUNDING OF THE HQ SOFTWARE IN THE AMOUNT OF $240,000 HOW THAT THE AMERICAN

RESCUE PLAN ACT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THROUGH 2026.

AND THIS WOULD -- THAT INCLUDES THROUGH 2026.

>> TO BE EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YES, MA'AM. WHEN YOU SAY "EFFECTIVE".

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE TODAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS IT JUST THE ALLOCATION, JENNY.

I AM HOPE THIS WILL PROMPT MICHAEL TO COME BACK AND GIVE US THE PROCUREMENT AND GIVE US ALL LINED UP.

FAIR ENOUGH, MICHAEL. TODAY ISLE OCCASION ONLY.

>> I AM FULLY IN FAVOR OF THE COURT CHOOSE IN MODUS OPERANDI OF APPROVING FUNDING FIRST AND THEN BRINGING UP THE PROCUREMENT. IF WE HAPPEN TO KNOW THE PROCUREMENT AT A TIME WE WILL CENTER A SEMI COLON AND INCLUDE THAT WITH THE AGENDA ITEM. IF YOU DON'T SEE PROCUREMENT METHOD WITH THE ITEM AND TALKING ABOUT FUNDING THAN ALL YOU ARE APPROVING AT THE TIME. JUST THE FUNDING SOURCE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS WILL BE MY TEMPLATE.

I HAVE GOT A MOTION AND I AM SECONDING IT.

CALLING FOR DISCUSS. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:

240,000. >>JUDGE CANALES: 240,055.

>> I DON'T SEE -- UNTIL I AM MISSING.

OH, THERE I SEE. RACHEL IS ON LIEN.

MAKE SURE SHI GETS THAT WE DID THAT TO PUT THAT IN HER -- IN

HER CALCULATIONS. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND NOW ON THE DISCUSSION PIECE OF IT, I BELIEVE THAT, JENNY, THIS WILL SERVE YOUR OFFICE IF THEY WORK ON THIS.

IT WILL SERVE AS AN AWESOME TEMPLATE FOR TWO THINGS.

YOU WILL SEE ME. I WON'T RUSH IT.

BUT YOU WILL SEE ME PUTTING ON MAYBE IN THE NEXT COURSE, TWO

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MORE CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE THAT ARE NEEDED.

ONE FOR THE.PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND THE TOUCHDOWN OTHER IS FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. A COST ESTIMATE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED. WHAT I AM SAYING WHEN DO YOU THIS, YOU SET THE TEMPLATE FOR THE OTHERS AS WELL.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU KNOW THE PRO CLARMENT, THE LANGUAGE AND ALL THAT STUFF.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING EYE. OKAY.

REVOLUTIONARY MOMENTS ARE HAPPENING EVERY WEEK HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, CAN I ASK IS A QUESTION?

>>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE OF THE EARLIER ONES 3-C-1. AND I HAVE GOT HANDED 60 OR 70 PAGES OF BACK-UP. ASK AGAIN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SO ON THIS ONE, COMMISSIONER, WE ALREADY APPROVED THIS DOCUMENT ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS EXECUTE IT.

WE HAVE SELECTED, APPROVED AND THIS IS THE CONTRACT WE TOLD

THEM TO GO GGET. >> I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT OUT OF ORDER. THROUGH OUR LUNCH BREAK, WE CAN

[15. Discuss and consider prioritization of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) projects, including projects as set out in Nueces County 2022 ARPA Projects Prioritization Report; allocation of ARPA funds; and related matters.]

GET A LITTLE MORE INFO TO YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

ITEM NUMBER 15, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PRIORITIZATION OF ARPA PROJECTS INCLUDING PROJECTS SET OUT.

ALLOCATION OF ARPA AND RELATED MATTERS.

SFECH. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION. I DIDN'T.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD. JUST GO AHEAD.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAN ITEM THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE -- ALL ALLOCATION OF FUNDING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED.AT ONE POINT AND WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR AND I WANT TO BRING IT BACK UP.

OPPORTUNITY FOR ARPA FUNDS FOR PROPER CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTION

IT IS I AM NOT MISMISTAKEN. >>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE NOT DECIDED THAT AND TO GET DOWN TO THE NITTY AND THE GRITTY. I DON'T REMEMBER THE DOLLARS.

IT HAS GONE SO FAST. AND SET ASIDE SOME FOR CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE CAN ENTERTAIN AND VOTE ON OR SET ASIDE FOR EACH COMMISSIONER TO USE.

AND I TONIGHT REMEMBER THE WHAT QUALIFIES THOSE CHARITIES AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE ARE ALL INTERESTEDED IN HELPING WHERE WE CAN ON THOSE.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM DRAINAGE AND ROADS AND THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT AMOUNT TO DO FOR CHARITIES BUT BEARS DISCUSSION BEFORE WE END

UP STEPPING ALL THIS MONEY. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO ANSWER -- YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT DOES COMPOUND QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS 501-C-3 IS WHAT QUALIFIES YOU UNDER THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT.

YOU ARE GOOD TO GIVE IF OUR 501-C-3.

THAT IS INJURE FIRST ANSWER. THE SECOND ONE IS TO REMIND YOU -- NOT THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS, BUT THERE WAS -- IN THE COMMUNITY SURVEY -- THAT WAS DEFINITELY HIGHLY RANKED AS --

>> PRIORITIES. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, PRIORITIES. THIRD, IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT OURSELVES OR THE UNITED WAY OFFERED TO BE OUR ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE ACTUAL FUNDS.

AND DEPEND ON THE COURT WANTED TO GO.

FINALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU ARE THINKING OF, BUT I VERY MUCH LIKE THE IDEA BECAUSE I THINK THAT AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT IS REALLY -- THE REASON THEY AIMED AT THAT IS THEY KNEW FOR TWO YEARS, PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO RAISE DOLLARS. SO I WANT TO SAY THAT IN ANSWER

SO SOME OF YOUR QUERIES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE MAIN ONE WAS -- I APOLOGIZE FOR IT BEING COMPOUND, I WANT TO THROW THAT OUT AND HEAR FROM EVERYBODY HOW WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT. I AM ASSUMING -- I SHOULDN'T ASSUME -- WE WHAT THAT DOES, RIGHT.

BUT I THINK EVERYBODY HERE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO HELP THE CHARITIES AND I THINK IT IS A FAIR STATEMENT THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT TO GET 30 PHONE CALLS TOMORROW FROM OUR FAVORITE CHARITIES SAYING PUT US ON YOUR LIST. NOT THAT I AM OPPOSED TO ANSWERING AND TALKING TO THOSE PEOPLE LIKE I REGULARLY DO AND WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT AND I DON'T COME IN WITH SAN IDEA OTHER THAN THAT TO SAY WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK.

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AND DO WE COME UPAN AMOUNT. DO WE LET THEM SAUL APPLY AND VOTE HOW TO DIVVY IT ESPECIALLY. YOU MEAN, I JUST.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SO WE DON'T REALLY --

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ALLOCATE $100,000 TO EACH COMMISSIONER TO WORK WITH THAT. OR -- ARE YOU SAYING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDS THAT DOES THAT. I AM THINKING IF YOU WANT TO DO AN ALLOCATION TODAY, YOU PICK A DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU MIGHT WANT TO, YOU KNOW -- I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST THROW OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BLACK CHAMBER OF COMBHERS. THEY PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL.

THEY ARE A 501-C-3. THEIR PROPOSAL IS -- WHAT IS THE RIGHT WORD FOR THOSE MUSEUM QUALITY GRAPHICS THEY USE TO DEVELOP HISTORY. KIND OF LIKE OUR I MUSEUM AT THE COASTAL PARK. A WORD FOR IT.

THE THE GRAPHICS. THEY ARE TRYING TO CREATE THEIR BLACK HHISTORY AT SOLOMON SKRSHGZOLES AND THEY CAMEND WERE PART OF OUR TOWN HALLS.

AND THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE. IF WE PUT THIS OUT HERE THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS. WHAT I WANT TO DO SODS IS WE COME UP WITH AN AMOUNT AND COME UP WITH A MECHANISM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WE ARE GOING TO GET BOMBARDED WITH CALLS.

NOT A BAD THING, BUT IF WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. IF WE SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THIS -- HEY, WE WILL SET ASIDE $1 MILLION FOR CHARITIES, RIGHT.

THEN -- AND THEN. IF WE DO THAT HOLY COW, EVERYBODY'S ANTENNA WILL GO OUT AND A MECHANISM THAT WE DON'T GET INTO A HORRIBLE DEBATE OF SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO DO GOOD FFOR I HAVE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: USE THE COASTAL BEND CENTER.

IF WE DO THE ALLOCATION AND VOTE THE WEEK -- THE DAY OF GIVING AND EVERY ONE OF OUR DOLLARS CAN BE MULTIPLIED BY ANOTHER DOLLAR

IT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY ONLY MATCH TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THEY ALWAYS REACH IT.

A GREAT CONCEPT. I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T COME IN WITH AN IDEA OTHER THAN I WANT TO SET ASIDE SOME FOR CHARITIES.

AND COME UP WITH A RECOMM RECOMMENDATION. THAT IS THE LAST THING WE GET OVER A HEATED DEBATE HOW WE GIVE MONEY TO CHARITIES.

I DON'T WANT TO TURN IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHY WITH WE DO AN ALLOCATION TODAY AND FIGURE OUT THE PROCESS.

COASTAL BEND COMMUNITY AND UNITED WAY ARE BOTH AWESOME BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT THE WHOLE PIECE OF IT.

THEY WILL GIVE, KRAEPT METRICS, CREATE COMPLIANCE, GET -- YOU KNOW. ANYWAY, WE CAN DO THE PROCESS LATER BUT THIS AGENDA ITEM BASICALLY JUST DOES THE ALLOCATION, THE PRIORITIZATION. IF THAT IS A MOTION.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE THE MOTION SO WE SET ASIDE -- SO KARA HAS IT VERY CLEAR, $1 MILLION OF OUR ARPA FUNDS FOR CHARITIES WITH THE FOLLOWING-UP BEING THAT WE WORK ON THE PROCESSES LATER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MAYBE 0 DAYS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE COUNTY MANAGER COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDED PROCESS TO HAVE THOSE COURTS DISPERSE THOSE FUNDS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS A GOOD MOTION AND WE WILL GET A GOOD SECOND HERE. AND ANY OTHER ACTION OR DISCUSSION THERE ARE LAB GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DURING THAT PROCESS, WHEN YOU ARE LOOK CAN AT -- GIVE IT A DETAILED PROCESS.

A RECOMMENDATION. MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME CAPS.

MAYBE THERE BE IT SO NOR MAN. ONE DOESN'T GET TOO MUCH MORE THAN THE OTHER. I UNDERSTAND NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT. UP DON'T HAVE A SUGGESTION ON THIS OTHER THAN -- I NEED A SUGGESTION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: EXCELLENT POINT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE NEED REAL GUIDELINES BECAUSE SO MANY GREAT CHARITIES NOT ONE OF THEM -- PROBABLY NOT ONE OF THEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO THINK IS A GREAT SUGGESTION, BUT WE GOT TO HAVE SOME PA R578 TERES SO AS WE ARE FAIR TO ALL -- -- PARAMETERS SO WE ARE FAIR TO EVERYONE. IT IS HARD AS HECK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WENT TO THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE AND HOW

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OTHER PEOPLE ARE SPENDING ARPA. AND THEY ACTUALLY -- AND HAGERTY WITH AS ONE -- THEY HAVE CREATED TEMPLATES.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT MUCH AND WE REALLY NEED TO IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS PROCESS. IN OTHER WORDS, JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY, I HAVE QUALIFIED A PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE.

GUYS, THAT WHEN IS ALL THE WORK STARTS.

TREASURY REQUIRES ALL KINDS OF JUSTIFICATIONS AND LETTERS.

EXEMPT FLYING ALL THE WORK THAT WE ARE DOING.

YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE PROCESS BEING KEY SO I THINK THAT IS

VERY GOOD SUGGESTION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GET IF HAGERTY AND MAKE SURE. MAKE SURE EVERYTHING -- OKAY.

THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALSO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT EACH OF US HAVE DOLLARS AND IF THERE IS A SPECIAL PROJECT ABOVE THAT. LET ME JUST SUGGESTS TO YOU THAT -- MHID IS A 501-C-3. COULD BE PROJECTS OUTSIDE -- YOU KNOW SINCE WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN FUNDS THAT CAN STILL BE BENEFICIAL, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

PART OF WHY I'M DOING THIS. I NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT WITH SOME OF THE FUNDS I WANT TO DO.

ALREADY GOTTEN BIG ASKS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW I AM GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. I AM HOPING THAT YOUR PROCESS WILL HELP ME DEVELOP A PROCESS IF I WANT TO TAKE MY OWN -- NOT MINE, PRECINCT-ALLOCATED, JUST LIKE YOU, EVERYBODY HAS, AND USE THOSE FOR CHARITY TO USE YOUR PROCESS TO HELP WITH MY PROCESS.

THIS IS THE TOUGH THING. MAY BE THE TOUGHEST THINGS WE DO WITH THESE CHARITIES BECAUSE WE ALL LOVE THEM SO MUCH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST REMEMBER WE CAN LEAN ON BEST PRACTICES.

NOT THE RUN OF THE BILL $10,000. THE ASK IS WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THESE DOLLARS OF THAT WILL CREATE TRANSITIONAL CHANGE.

ARPA IS DIFFERENT. ARPA WAS DESIGNED SO EACH DOLLAR WILL BE LEVERAGED TO MAKE A COMMUNITY BETTER.

YOU USE OUTSIDE AGENCY DOLLARS FOR A DIFFERENT WAY THEN YOU USE THESE. I THINK WHEN YOU DEVELOP YOUR PROCESS, PART OF THE DISCUSSION I HAVE HERE IS WHAT IS IT THAT

YOU ARE ASKING FOR 501-C-3. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND

WHY. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND WHY.

AND HOW WILL THESE DOLLARS BE FOR YEARS FOR NOW.

NOT FOR YOUR OPERATION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: COULD BE IF IT HAD A REAL EXPLANATION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DO -- AMISTAD AND THE COASTAL BEND FOR

SERVICES. >>JUDGE CANALES: FOR OUTSIDE

AGENCIES. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT.

I THINK HERE YOU WILL WANT TO TE TO AMISTAD, IF WE GIVE YOU $50,000. WILL YOU BUILD A CLINIC THAT WILL LAST FOR 20 YEARS. IN OTHER WORDS, A DIFFERENT QUESTION AND I HOPE THAT IS HOW THE DOLLARS ARE USED.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TRANSFORMATIONAL CAN BE DEFINED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: A DIFFERENT WAY.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO BE SUPER POSITIVE.

THIS MAY BE THE BIGGEST PRESENTATION FOR ME, LIKE THE BIGGEST PRESENTATION YOU WILL MAKE TO ME FOR A WHILE BECAUSE THESE ARE IMPORTANT STUFF. AND THESE CHARITIES NEED OUR HELP AND EVERY PROJECT IS HELP IN TRANSFORMATIONAL AND THIS CAN BE NO DIFFERENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS YESTERDAY, BUT I AGREE WITH THE WORD "TRANSFORMATIONAL." I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEFINE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE GOOD US IS IS OUR CHARITIES HAVE OPINION WATCHING AND THEY KNOW WHAT -- WHERE OUR AIM IS.

ALL RIGHT. SO IF THERE THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SIGHING AYE. OKAY.

ITEM NUMBER 16. THANK YOU, KARA, IT IS 12:35.

AISLE RECESS UNTIL 1:05 PER THE COURT'S

>>JUDGE CANALES: ON THE RECORD AND 1:19.

ALL RIGHTY. SO LET ME COME BACK TO OUR AGENDA AND WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO DISCUSS ITEM 16.

MAYBE I TOOK IT WITH ME. -- I WONDER IF I GRABBED IT.

CAN I BORROW YOUR AGENDA REAL QUICK-LIKE.

I APOLOGIZE. IT WAS HERE --

>> I THINK THERE IS ONE IN THE FRONT POCKETS OF YOUR BINDER.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE RIGHT. I CAN USE THIS ONE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO ITEM 16 IS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETINGS. AND WE HAD SOME -- THIS ONE HAS KIND OF COME BACK FROM TIME TO TIME.

AND THE QUESTION IS DOCTOR I THINK I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT PRIVILEGE EXISTS.

WHAT HAPPENED? OH, TIME IS -- LET'S CALL IT 1:19 -- IT IS 1:20 NOW. 1:19.

THE QUESTION I HAVE PERTAINS TO.EXECUTIVE SESSION.

BUT FOR THE COURT JUST TO HEAR IT IS WHETHER OR NOT EACH ONE OF US HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE OUR ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE BE PROTECTED. AND SO IF -- IF ANY OF US, JENNY IS, WANT TO HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE PRESERVED WITHOUT RECORDING, WHAT IS THE LAW ON THAT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

I AM HAPPY TO TELL IT IN FRONT AND IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER IT, BUT THAT IS THE QUESTION.

IN OTHER WORDS, EVEN PRISONERS HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO BE RECORDED WHEN TALKING TO THEIR DAUGHTERS. I DON'T KNOW WHY COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE ANY LESS OF A RIGHT. BUT, AGAIN, IS THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE THAT BELONGS TO EACH OF US, NOT US COLLECTIVELY AND WE EXHIBIT THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE OBJECT TO DISCOVERY. WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE WITH EACH OF US.

AND, THEREFORE -- I DON'T THINK THE TECHNICAL PIECE IS HARD.

WE ASK DARYL TO COME IN AND TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO. I KNOW I WANT TO PRESERVE THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE FOR FUTURE COURTS, NOT JUST THIS ONE THERE ARE A SACRED WAY WHICH IS NOT RECORDING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RECORDING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS ARTICULATED HOW TO DO IT IN STATE LAW, SO IT HAS BEEN ARTICULATED IN STATE LAW. IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE ONLY -- AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION THAT WAS CIRCULATED THAT SAID THE ONLY ONE THAT WE CAN DESIGNATE KEEP OF THOSE TWO IS THE COUNTY CLERK IS HOW I READ THAT. SO THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSEDED IN STATE LAW. I THINK IT ABSOLUTELY -- I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE.

WE HAVE COLLECTIVE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND ACT AS A BODY AND AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN LAID OUT HOW WE DO IT.

CONTEMPLATED FOR AND INDICATED IT IS LEGAL TO DO.

WE HAVE KIND OF GONE THROUGH THE REASONS AS TO WHY.

AND THERE IS DISAGREEMENT. TO ME, IT NEEDS TO BE -- AT THIS POINT BROUGHT TO A VOTE AND MOVED ON.

I THINK -- ONE OF THE THINGS, TOO, THAT I DIDN'T SAY WHEN ASKED ABOUT IT THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AFTERWARDS BECAUSE IT CAME UP WAS -- I THINK IT IS VERY VALUABLE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIME IT IS REAL EASY TO GO BACK AND WATCH WHAT WE SAY ON CAMERA.

A LOT OF TIME THINGS GET ARTICULATED AND HOW WE CAME OUT IN CLOSED SESSIONND AND PROVIDES US AS A COURT TO REVIEW WHAT WAS SAID AT THE PRIOR ONE BECAUSE WE FORGET OR TWO MONTHS BEFORE.

I THINK THE TRANSPARENCY IS VERY IMPORTANT ON THIS.

I THINK HAVING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS RECORDED. AND I THINK IT COULD BE A VERY HELPFUL TOOL TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVE A LOT OF DISAGREEMENTS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHAT WE TALK ABOUT.

AND WE SOMETIMES CAN'T AGREE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO THAT RECORDING CAN BE A HUMONGOUSLY HELPFUL TOOL. LET'S GO BACK AND REVIEW IT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

YES, HERE IS WHAT WE DID SAY. YOU ARE RIGHT.

I DID SAY THAT. I THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE RESOURCES HERE.

AND I JUST -- I -- I AM NOT -- I JUST THINK WE NEED TO -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE KIND OF HASHED IT OUT.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT. IF IT PASSES, IT DOES.

IF IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T. I AM READY TO MOVE ON IT.

DARYL SAID THE COST IS PRETTY MUCH NOTHING TO DO IT.

THE ONLY THING WE WOULD NEED TO DO IF WE WANT TO DESIGNATE THE COUNTY CLERK OF THE KEEPER OF THOSE RECORDS WHICH I THINK WHAT THE LAW PROVIDES. AND IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE, JEN, ON THAT. LET ME KNOW.

THAT IS HOW I READ THE OPINION. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IS CITING, A SPECIFIC THAT THE STATUTE HAS

CERTAIN CONTRACTS NEGOTIATED. >> TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THE LAW REQUIRES IF THE COMMISSIONERS DECIDE THAT THEY NEED TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT -- NOT LEGAL QUESTIONS IN A CLOSED SESSION, THAT NEEDS TO BE RECORDED. THE COURT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT ITSELF. AND THE ONLY PERSON THEY CAN DESIGNATE THAT TO IF THEY VOTE TO DO THAT IS THE CLERK.

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THE OTHER QUESTION THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED WHICH IS SEPARATE IS THE RECORDING OF ALL PARTS OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WHICH THE COURT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY TAINING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH MY OFFICE MAINTAINING THOSE RECORDS.

THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. ONLY PERSON THEY CAN DESIGNATE THAT TO IS ALSO THE CLERK. THERE ARE SULSTIFF PENALTIES FOR VIEWING AND DISSEMINATING AND VIEWING AND ANYTHING OF THOSE THINGS THAT MAY HELP TO SATISFY THE COURT AS TO THE SAFETY OF THAT AS AS FAR AS MOTIVATION FOR DISCLOSURE AND DEARLY WILL BE THERE TO SATISFY THE COURT AS TO THE LOGISTICAL POSSIBILITY OF MAINT MAINTAINING.

>> WHERE IN STATUTE DOES IT REFER TO THE SECOND PIECE OF IT.

>>THE REGARDING OF EXECUTIVE SESSIONS?

>> THAT IS BACK IN THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT THAT WE WERE

LOOKING AT BEFORE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT WE GET TO WAIVE -- DO YOU AGREE -- IS IT YOUR OPINION TEALLY THAT WE DON'T EACH HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE? BECAUSE I CAN'T HAVE ANYBODY

WAIVE IT. >> AS FAR AS THAT ISSUE YOU BRING THAT TO ME RIGHT NOW, I AM GOING TO SAVE THAT.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT. I WOULD RATHER YOU BRING THAT TO ME BEFORE HAND TO BRING YOU SOMETHING THAT HAS DEVELOPED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I TALKED TO YOU BEFORE AND I MENTIONED IT THE LAST TIME IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT I BELIEVE NOBODY CAN WAIVE -- I USE THE PRISONER ANALOGY BEFORE.

I KNOW WE HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE. NOBODY CAN WAIVE MY PRIVILEGE FOR ATTORNEY-CLIENT THROUGH DISCOVERY FOR ANY -- IT IS MY PRIVILEGE. I CAN DO IT.

I CAN WAIVE IT. THEY CAN WAIVE IT FOR THEMSELVES. BUT NO, THEY CAN NOT WAIVE IT FOR ME. SO, THEREFORE, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT -- I THINK THAT THE COURT -- SOUNDS LIKE THE STATUTE GIVES US A WAY TO DO IT IF THERE IS AGREEMENT TO DO IT.

BUT YOU CAN NOT HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSIONER WAIVE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE FOR ME.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOBODY IS WAIVING ANYBODY'S PRIVILEGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM IF I DON'T WISH TO BE RECORDED.

I AM TELLING YOU I BELIEVE THAT IS A PRIVILEGE THAT SHOULD BE

EXERCISED. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY MOTION IS TO CONSIDER RECORDING EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETINGS, IDENTIFY THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE NEEDED MATTERS.

WE CAN ADD SUBJECT TO ANY LEGAL DISCUSSION THAT JENNY NEEDS TO BRING BACK AT A DIFFERENT TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS

ITEM FORWARD BECAUSE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN DO IT FOR THE CONTRACT PIECE OF IT, NO PROBLEM.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: INCLUDE THE COUNTY CLERK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE COUNTY NEGOTIATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COUNTY CLERK WOULD WANT TO ASSUME SUCH LIABILITY PARTICULARLY WHEN I AM ASSERTING THAT IT IS A TERRIBLE IDEA BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DISCLOSURE.

I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN DISCUSS IT WITH HER.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THERE IS -- THERE IS NO WAIVER OF

ANYBODY'S PRIVILEGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: A LEGAL QUESTION THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANSW

ANSWERED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO FWHAFR HERE. IT CAN'T BE EXPRESSED -- THE WAY I READ THE LAW, IT CAN'T BE DISCLOSED DO THE LAWYERS.

IF GOES -- IF IT GETS OUT ALL THESE STIFF PENALTIES.

TO PRIVILEGE BEING WAIVED BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IN THE ROOM TOGETHER. NOBODY IS WAIVING ANY PRIVILEGE.

THE ONLY WAY THIS GETS OUT IS ILLEGALLY OR -- BY COURT ORDER BY A JUDGE WHO GETS TO REVIEW IT PRETTY MUCH IN CAMERA.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE PROBLEM IS THIS COURT -- THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT AND COURTHOUSE HAS A PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF REVEALING PREV LEDGED INFORMATION.

JENNY, HAVE YOU GUYS -- -- PRIVILEGED INFORMATION.

JENNY HAVE HAVE YOU GUYS -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T

KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT -- .<,NEW LINE>>> W[L]O[L]M[L]A[L]N: THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT HAS RE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT HAVE REVEALED INFORMATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND CAUGHT ON

CAMERA DOING THAT. >> SOMEBODY CAN DO THAT WITHOUT

SENDING THE RECORDINGS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I REALIZE THAT.

I DO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT PROHIBITS A MEMBER OF THE COURT FROM GOING AND TALKING TO THE MEDIA ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO.

THAT IS FREE SPEECH. THIS IS ACTUALLY TIGHTER BECAUSE THE TIGHTNESS OF THIS SAYS THESE RECORDINGS -- NOW, AGAIN, SOMEONE WANTS TO GO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, THEN THAT'S NOT ADVISABLE. FREE SPEECH ALLOWS IT.

BUT THIS IS VERY TIGHT. THIS IS VERY TIGHT PROCEDURES THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED AND SET UP TO PROTECT THESE THINGS FROM THAT HAPPENING. AND IN FACT, IF THOSE THINGS GOT OUT, IT WILL CERTAINLY BE EASY TO TRACE.

CERTAINLY EASILY TO PENALIZE AND CERTAINLY EASY TO FIND IF A MEMBER OF THE COURT GOES AND HAS A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY.

THIS IS AN EVEN BETTER PROTECTION OF THOSE THINGS THAN

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WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE NOW. SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T THINK WITH ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE FOR LEGAL STRATEGY, ON ALL OF OUR LEGAL CASES YOU WOULD EVER WANT TO RECORD YOUR LAWYERS AND HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR LAWYER'S LEGAL STRATEGY. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT A LAWYER, A LITIGATOR WOULD EVER THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COUNTY IN TEXAS THAT DOES THIS FOR LEGAL STRATEGY. I DON'T -- I JUST -- HAVE WE

CHECKED INTO THAT? >> THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL TURN IT OFF FOR PURELY -- FOR ATTORNEY-CLIENT CONSULTATION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

>> SOME THAT RECORD THE WHOLE THING.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHO? DO YOU MIND ME ACTION WHAT

COUNTIES. >> THE ONES WE TALKED TO -- I

THINK SHE IS BEXAR COUNTY. >>JUDGE CANALES: FRANCISCO.

>> TALKING TO BEXAR COUNTY, AND THE COURT KNOWS -- FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH, YOU MAY HAVE ISSUE IT IS COUNSEL IS TO BE ENGAGED FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL, THAT MAY BE A DETERRENT TO THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT THE COURT WANTS, BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT AGREE TO DO THAT.

AND SO THERE ARE ISSUES. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T KNOW OF ANY LITIGATOR WHO WOULD WANT TO COME IN AND RECORDED ON LEGAL STRATEGY AND HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR COUNTY CLERK OR ANYBODY'S RECORDS. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE

FIREFIGHTER. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: NOT EVERYBODY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE VIDEOS.

REALLY, RIGHT? >> RIGHT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AS A LITIGATOR TO ADVISED MANY CLIENTS. IF ONE OF MY CLIENT SAID I WANT TO RECORD THIS, I -- IT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME.

PROTECTS THE LITIGATOR AND THE CLIENT BECAUSE THE CLIENT CAN SAY THEY NEVER GAVE ME ADVICE. AND THE LITIGATOR SAY THE HECK I DIDN'T. HERE IS THE RECORDED VERSION OF IT AND VICE VERSA. NO PROBLEM BECAUSE IT IS SO TRANSPARENT AND IT PRESERVES THE RECORD JUST LIKE THESE DISCUSSIONS PRESERVE THE RECORD. THAT IS A RECORD THAT BEARS PROTECTING AS WELL, BECAUSE FIVE YEARS AFTER HEARING I AM GONE, I DON'T SOMEONE TO SAY CHESNEY SAID IN CLOSED SESSION,

BLAH-BLAH-BLAH. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUT THEY

WOULDN'T BE ABLE -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT CAN

BE SAID. >>JUDGE CANALES: ONLY IN THE

REALM OF LITIGATION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: EXACTLY. I WOULD RATHER HAVE PROTECTION WHAT GOES ON PURELY AT WILL OF WHAT EVERYBODY REMEMBERS.

I THINK THIS IS SUPER SAFE AND I LIKE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I KNOW YOU DO. I DON'T THINK IT --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR MONTHS.

WE HAVE DELAYED IT FOR A LONG. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT PART. IT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA MULTIPLE TIMES AND I REITERATED THERE HAS BEEN NO REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LEGAL IMPLI IMPLICATIONS. I DON'T THINK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, IF WE ARE BEING TRANSPARENT HAS RECOMMENDED

THIS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE ARE BEING SUPER TRANSPARENT. I KNOW SHE DOESN'T RECOMMEND IT.

I AGREE WITH 90% WITH WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DOES AND RECOMMENDS, AS SHE SAYS, WE ARE THE POLICYMAKER AND SHE DOESN'T RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT LEGAL.

HE DOESN'T RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE POLICY ISSUES.

I READ IT. AND TO SAYS IT NOT THOUGHT OUT IS COMPLETELY INACCURATE. THIS THINGS THAT BEEN ON THE AGENDA MANY TIMES. I HADDED DISCUSSIONS.

I TALKED ABOUT IT. AND SUPER THOUGHT OUT TO THE POINT IT NEEDS TO BE VOEPTED ON BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HEAR YOU. I THINK IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN

TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GET IT. I DON'T WANT TO YOU SAY IT

HAVEN'T BEEN THOUGHT UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: I BROUGHT UP THE PRIVILEGE ARGUMENT AND JENNY SAID SHE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE THAT IN TIME. WE CAN ALWAYS -- SHE CAN ALWAYS BRING THAT BACK. I MEAN THERE IS NOTHING -- NOTHING HARMFUL ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANY REAL DIALOGUE OR ANY REAL DIRECTION BECAUSE AS A LAWYER, I THINK -- I THINK IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY ALM ALMOST MALPRACTICE, NEGLIGENCE, TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT LEGAL STRATEGY AND RECORD IT. I DON'T THINK ANY OUTSIDE COUNSEL WILL PARTICIPATE IN OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THIS COURT WILL BE UNINFORMED AND THAT IS NOT FAIR TO NUECES COUNTY.

UP DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE USING A LEGAL ARGUMENT AS AN ADVERSARY TO COME IN AND GET OUR FREQUENT BECAUSE IT WILL HARM US.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF LAWYERS ARE NOT WILLING TO BACK UP WHAT THEY SAY BY RECORDING, I DON'T WANT THEM.

SORRY. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T THINK

THAT THAT IS A FAIR ASSESSMENT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE ARE ON THE SPOT ALL THE TIME. EVERYTHING WE DO IS RIGHT HERE

FOR THE PUBLIC. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME A ASK KARA, SHE WANT TO WEIGH IN. GO AHEAD.

>> REGARD OF WHAT Y'ALL -- HOW YOU VOTE.

I CAN ASSURE YOU I HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF FOLLOWING THE LAW.

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AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT ANYTHING THAT IS KEPT IN MY -- I AM THE CUSTODIAN OF THE REGARD. IT WILL NOT GET OUT.

I CAN ASSURE ALL OF YOU. A PROVEN TRACK RECORD AND WE WILL KEEP IT IN THE SAFE UNDER LOCK AND KEY.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WILL.

>> UNLESS A JUDGE ORDERS. THE RECORDS CAN BE DESTROYED AFTER TWO YEARS. THAT IS THE RETENTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. ALL RIGHT, AGAIN -- AGAIN, I THINK THAT -- I THINK YOU HAVE GIVEN US BACK GROUND AND INFORMATION AND PROBABLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS -- ANY TIME YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WRITE A POLICY.

IF IT PASSES, YOU NEED TO HAVE A POLICY SO IT IS RECORDED AND PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, THERE IS -- THIS IS -- THIS IS -- THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND THIS IS -- THIS IS WHO HAS ACCESS.

EVERY AND YOU KNOW, TRY TO TACKLE IT FROM THAT POLICY

PERSPECTIVE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE I WOULD ALSO -- AS PART OF THAT MOTION ADD THAT THE COUNTY CLERK BE DESIGNATED AS A KEEPER OF THE RECORDS TO BE CLEAR AS PART OF THE MOTION AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHO SECONDED IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO WHOEVER SECONDED IT. I CAN'T REMEMBER.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I

WILL SECOND IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE A ROBERT RULES QUESTION. CAN IT BE BROUGHT UP FOR CONSIDERATION IF YOU ABSTAIN OR JUST IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

>> IF IT IS IN THE SAME MEETING, THE WINNING VOTE NEEDS TO BRING IT UP. IF IT IS IN THE NEXT MEETING,

ANYONE CAN BRING IT UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANYONE CAN BRING IT UP IN THE NEXT MEETING? OKAY.

>> BECAUSE THE SESSIONS -- CAN ONLY BE BROUGHT UP IN THE SAME SESSION AND THESE COURT MEETINGS ARE STRUCTURES THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL COURT MEETING IS A COMPLETE SESSION UNLIKE COMMITTEE WHO MEET ANNUALLY FIVE DAYS IN A ROW.

THOSE WILL BE WHERE YOU COULDN'T BRING IT UP THE NEXT DAY, BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME SESSION. THESE COURT MEETINGS ARE ALL

THEIR OWN SESSION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THAT. NOT THE WAY IT HAS BEEN BEFORE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE OF HOW WE VOTE,

COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY UNDERSTAND THAT AN ABSTENTION IS LEGALLY A NO VOTE TOO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ONE QUESTION, AND HERS IS EVEN MORE.

>> MY UNDERSTAND THAT ABSTENTION IS NOT A NO VOTE BUT ACTSLIZE A

NO VOTE. >>JUDGE CANALES: MEANS YOU ARE NOT HERE, TECHNICALLY. NOT A "NO" VOTE BUT THAT YOU ARE NOT HERE. NOT A NO, BUT JUST YOU ARE NOT

HERE. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: BUT YOU

ARE HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DEFINITELY LIKE TO KNOW -- THAT IS SEPARATE ISSUE -- I GET IT IF YOU WANT -- MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU CAN'T BRING IT UP IF YOU ARE ON THE LOSING SIDE PERIOD. THAT'S WHAT WE DID FOREVER.

I AM NOT SAYING -- I COULD BE WRONG BUT HOW WE ALWAYS DID IT AT COUNCIL AND HOW WE ALWAYS DONE IT HERE AND A FAIR QUESTION WE NEED TO REVIEW. AND JUDGE, CERTAINLY IF YOU WANT TO VOTE YES WITH PRECAUTION WITH SOMETHING ON THE RECORD THAT SAYS I DON'T LIKE IT AND BRING IT BACK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS THE CHESNEY MOTION.

I DON'T DO THOSE. I AM --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT A CHESNEY MOTION.

I JUSTIFY A LOT OF MY STUFF FOR THE RECORD.

BUT I DON'T VOTE YES JUST TO BRING IT BACK.

I HAVEN'T DONE THAT BEFORE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT BACK ONCE I GET BETTER LEGAL ADVICE.

BECAUSE IT IS CONCERNING. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU WANT TO BRING AND WANT TO VOEPT -- I WILL BRING IT BACK FOR YOU FOR COURTESY AND SAY THAT ON THE RECORDS.

IF YOU EVER WANT TO DISCUSS IT AGAIN, I WILL BRING IT BACK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I APPRECIATE I CAN'T IT THAT, BUT I ONLY TRUST -- IT IS OKAY, BRENT. I APPRECIATE THAT NUMBER AND I WILL VOTE YES, AND I WILL BRING IT BACK MYSELF.

I LIKE DOING THINGS MYSELF, THANK YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS FINE OR PUT IT RIGHT NOW AS A

MOTION TO BRING IT BACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, BRENT.

UP KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM TRYING TO BE ABLE TO GET YOU TO

DISCUSS IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I GOT IT.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR GENEROUS OFFER.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE -- WAIT, WHO WAS THE

SECOND? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. IT IS LIKE CHESS AROUND HERE.

LET'S GO TO THE VERY NEXT ONE. ITEM NUMBER 17, THAT IS TO DISCUSS -- THIS IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION REQUEST, JENNY.

I WILL MOVE THIS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH ONE, 17?

>>JUDGE CANALES: 17. THIS WAS -- COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ PUT THIS BACK ON. ITEM NUMBER 18 IS MUCH EXECUTIVE

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SESSION, AND I WILL JUST LET YOU KNOW NOTHING -- WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY JUST PASS ON IT. THERE IS NO UPDATE.

WE PUT IT ON AS PRECAUTION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ARE YOU

TABLING IT? >>JUDGE CANALES: TABLING IT.

YOU WILL WANT TO KNOW A STATE. AUGUST 29.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU CAN INDEFINITE AND PUT IT ON WHEN

YOU WANT IT. >> I AM TOLD BY THE END OF THE

MONTH WE WILL HAVE THE UPDATE. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WHAT

NUMBER, 18? >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT BACK ON 17TH OR END OF THE MONTH I HAVE SOME

OTHER RELATED MATTERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: AUGUST 29? 31S? OKAY.

A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY

SAYING AYE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT

WAS THE MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I SAID THE LAST. WHENEVER IT IS LAST MEETING IN AUGUST. ITEM NUMBER 19 AND 20 ARE CONTRACTS REQUESTED BY THE COURT MANAGER TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT WE HAVE A COPY OF THEM, RIGHT, GUYS?

[21. Discuss and consider next Commissioners Court meeting date.]

ITCH NEXT ITEM IS 21. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, YOU ARE

INVOKING THE RULE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHERE WE HAVE TO MEET FOR PARTIAL BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET, RIGHT, DALE? THE BILLS --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SORRY, THE BUDGET NOT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 7. SOMETHING OF A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IF THERE IS -- ON THE 17TH, PROPOSE A RATE HIGHER THAN THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX. REQUIRED TO PUBLISH AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYTHING YOU NEED.

BUT IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH HAS TO BE ON A REGULARLY

SCHEDULED MEETING. >> THE 17TH AND THE 7TH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SO AUGUST 31. >> WILL YOU BE READY FOR THE

17TH? >> 17 IS WHEN YOU PROPOSE THE

RATE. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOT TO EXCEED.

THE NOT TO EXCEED RATE. >> THE CEILING RATE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN ON ITEM NUMBER 21, OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. OUR POSTED AND SCHEDULED MEETING IS AUGUST 31. THAT IS THE NEXT DATE.

AND COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE THERE?

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I HAVE A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT I CAN'T

MISS. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HAVE A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT. ARE YOU ASKING FOR A MEETING ON

THE 29TH. >> 29TH OR THE SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I CANNOT DO THE 2ND.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: 29TH WILL BE FINE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL GET TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM AVAILABLE ON THE 29TH AND 2ND.

YOU SAID NO TO THE 2ND. SO I AM AVAILABLEABLE ON THE

29TH. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, ARE YOU AVAILABLE ON THE 29TH.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I BELIEVE I AM, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: PURCHASE MAREZ. WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE?

>> YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE CONSENSUS WE WILL MOVE THE REGULAR MEETING AND WE WILL POST A SOCIAL MEETING FOR THE 29TH DUE TO THE MEDICAL APPOINTMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO MOVE THE AUGUST 31 TO AUGUST 29.

IS THERE A MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AND NOW I AM GOING TO -- SAY THAT AGAIN? OKAY.

[1. Discuss and consider award and execution of an agreement with HJD Capital for CSP No. 3192-22 Infrastructure Construction for Emergency Generators for Nueces County Courthouse, Main Jail and Jail Annex.]

I AM GOING TO MOVE MICHAEL UP SO HE CAN GET TO WHERE HE NEEDS TO GO. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST GOT HANDED WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF COMMISSIONER CHESNEY'S. LET ME TAKE A LOOK AND I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE AWARD OF THE AGREEMENT WITH HGD CAPITAL FOR GENERATORS. AND IF JENNY CAN HELP MICHAEL, BUT TELL US THIS CONTRACT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED BY BOTH PARTIES?

>> WHY HE. IT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED BY BOTH PARTIES. AGREED TO.

AND ALSO REVIEWED BY LEGAL AND WE HAVE GOT THE TIME VERSION THAT WE SENT TO YOU ALL THIS MORNING.

AND IF YOU WANT PARTICULARS ON IT, I WILL GIVE YOU THE

OVERVIEW. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK THAT

WILL BE GOOD. >> THE ORIGINAL INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

THERE WAS A PIECE THAT WE ADDED IN THE RECENT COURT ORDER, AUTHORIZED ENERGY ENGINEERING TO REDRAW THE PIECE ON THE AUTO

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SHUTOFF SWITCH WHICH THEY COMPLETED.

AND THEN WE WERE ASKED TO GET A QUOTE FOR THAT SERVICE.

AS WELL AS A PRICE FOR THE RESILIENCE PIECE.

AND SO THEY PROVIDED A QUOTE BACK TO US.

AND THAT PRICE WAS VERY LOW. I WANT TO SAY 32 -- $31,200 FOR THE AUTO SHUTOFF PIECE WE ADDED TO THE PROJECT AND NOT A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE OF SCOPE TO THE PROJECT.

WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD TODAY.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THIS IS THE LOW BIDDER?

>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE JOHN RODRIGUEZ IS HERE FROM NRG AND PROVIDED ALL THE ONES. AND SHANE IS HERE FOR ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I NEED TO TURN TO JENNY AND CONFIRM WE ARE GOOD

TO GO. >> THE MAJOR CHANGES WHAT WE HANDLED IN THE LAST DAY OR TWO IS 45-DAY MOVEMENT IN EXCEPTION.

PAYMENT 5 -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. WHAT IS IN PAGE 5.

>> A CHANGE IN PAYMENT SCHEDULE. VERY SMALL ITEMS THAT WERE PUT AND GIVEN BACK TO US. THEY MADE ALL THE CHANGES THAT

WE REQUESTED. >> SO THIS IS ALSO THE SERVICE AGREEMENT. I JUST GOT IT, SO I AM SORRY.

I KNOW IT IS A REVISION, BUT IS THIS THE SERVICE AGREEMENT?

>> IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER, LET ME LET SHANE BREAK IT DOWN FOR

YOU. >> THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RESILIENCE PIECE THAT WILL COME IN LATER ON.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PULL THAT MIC UP.

>> WILL NOT INCLUDE THE RESILIENCE PIECE.

BETWEEN RESILIENCE AND THE COUNTY.

JUST THE INSTALL. BUT RESILIENCE IS DIED OF PUTTING EQUIPMENT IN CASE IT NEEDS TO BE USED.

>> JENNY, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THIS REFLECTS ALL THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE. PASSES LEGAL SUFFICIENCY.

IT IS NOT UNFAVORABLE TO THE COUNTY.

ETC., ETC. >> CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND THE ONLY REASON I DON'T MOVE TO TABLE THIS TOO SINCE I JUST GOT IT AND HURRICANE SEASON AND WE NEED TO GET MOVING AND I AM NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.

I AM JUST ASKING AGAIN -- I -- I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH GETTING THESE THINGS AT THE -- WAY PAST THE 11TH HOUR.

I KNOW EVERYBODY IS UNDER THE GUN.

I AM JUST -- GOING A LITTLE ON FAITH AND IT IS HURRICANE SEASON AND WE DON'T HAVE THESE GENERATORS.

I WILL LET EVERYBODY ELSE WEIGH IN.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE LOOKING AT

THIS? >>JUDGE CANALES: HOW LONG, SHANE, WILL IT TAKE. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING?

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT IS THE TIME AS FAR AS INSTALLATION.

>> THE MAIN INSTALL IS 162 DAYS. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

>> WHAT IS ALSO IMPORTANT OF FINISHING PHASE ONE IS WE HAVE GRANT MONIES INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO GET IT COMPLETED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND WE REALLY CONDITION DELAY REALLY ANY LO

LONGER. >>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN.

WE HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATING THIS CONTRACT FOR TWO MONTHS, GUYS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I KNOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: WELL, I THINK IT IMPORTANT THAT JENNY GOT THOSE CHANGES DONE.

AND YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD?

>> YES, RECOMMENDING A~ APPROVAL.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: NO FINANCIAL CHANGE.

FORGIVE ME, IS THIS ONE -- JUDGE EXCUSE ME, $32,000 CHANGE.

$32,000. THAT WAS 9 SWITCH.

$$326 $$326,000.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE AUTOMATIC MAKE SWITCH.

>> WHICH IS GOOD -- A GOOD CHANGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE AND THANK

GOODNESS A LOW COST. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEN ON FAITH, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THIS -- NOT JUST FAITH. I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND I DIDN'T GET IT UNTIL 30 MINUTES OR WHENEVER MICHAEL HAND IT TO ME AN HOUR.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A BIG THANK YOU TO KENT IN JENNY'S OFFICE TO GET IT BEFORE YOU UNDER TIME CONSTRAINTS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT TO REITERATE THIS COMES UNDER THE BUDGET AMOUNT WE HAD BUDGETED.

COME WITH A BETTER PROJECT -- BETTER PRODUCT BECAUSE OF THE AUTOMATIC TURN ON THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED AND I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WORKING HARD AND APPRECIATE PURCHASING AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT STEP FOR THE COUNTY TO HAVE THIS PUT IN PLACE AND DEFINITELY A

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SUCCESS FOR THIS COURT. I WILL MOVE TO -- HERNANDEZ I

HAVE A QUESTION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MAKE THE

RIGHT -- I CAN'T FIND THE ITEM. >> 3-C-1.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT'S WHY I CAN'T FIND IT.

PASS THE AGREEMENT WITH HJD CAPITAL FOR CSP.

NUMBER 3192 INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MAIN JAIL AND JAIL ANNEX.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THEN CALL FOR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: JUST IN CASE THIS PROJECT IS NOT DONE BY THE TIME YOU SAID IT WAS DONE, 100 AND SOME DAYS. DO WE HAVE BACK-UP GENERATORS

WITH HE CAN GO TO? >> YES, WE HAVE THEM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. HERNANDEZ HERNANDEZ THAT'S ALL I

WANTED TO ASK. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> TO WE HAVE THE COST. THE AMOUNT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: FOR THE WARD, $31,600.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE WHOLE EXECUTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SORRY, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

>> WHAT HE APPROVED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:

APPROVING THE ENTIRE AMOUNT. >> I JUST ADD IT IN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN REFER TO THE RAINFALLRFP -- NOT AN RFP BUT A CSP. KARA, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR.

ABOUT YOU NOT -- REMEMBER 19, 20 AND 2 120AND 2 1RFP -- NOT AN R BUT A CSP. KARA, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR.

ABOUT YOU NOT -- REMEMBER 19, 20AND 2 1RFP -- NOT AN RFP BUT A CSP. KARA, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR.

ABOUT YOU NOT -- REMEMBER 19, 20AND 2 1RFP -- NOT AN RFP BUT A CSP. KARA, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR.

ABOUT YOU NOT -- REMEMBER 19, 20AND 2 1FP -- NOT AN RFP BUT A CSP. KARA, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR.

ABOUT YOU NOT -- REMEMBER 19, 20AND 21 IS SP EXECUTIVE AS WELL. AND A VOTE ON 18.

>> YOU TABLED IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: DID YOU GET THE

VOTE. >> YECH, I APPRECIATE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HOW QUICKLY I AM MOVING FORWARD.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: DID WE GET A VOTE, C-1.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. >> 3-C-2.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DIDN'T MEAN TO LEAVE YOU OUT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THAT.

>> SHOUT OUT TO SHANE AND JP. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD FOR TWO MONTHS, MOVING PARTS TO GET HERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HATE TO GIVE YOU GUYS NEW ASSIGNMENTS BUT WE WANT TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT AS WELL.

I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL WORK ON THAT AND GET US GEARED UP FOR

[2. Discuss and consider approval of procurement for architectural services related to Nueces County Medical Examiners Facility; approve any Order.]

THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. THIS ONE TO DISCUSS THE PROCUREMENT FOR ARCHITECTURAL WITH THE NUECES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER FACILITY. I THINK I GOT MY ORDER HERE.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU ALL WERE SHOWING ME.

AND SO YOU ARE RECOMMENDING AN RFQ --

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THIS. I GOT THIS TODAY TOO.

I THOUGHT WE TABLED THIS THING TO THE 17 TOTS GIVE A CHANCE TO

CHECK WITH HAGERTY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE DID.

WE DID. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NEVER

HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THOUGHT

IT WAS A RFP, NOT RFQ. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HAVE TO RFQ

FOR PRICE FOR ALL PROCUREMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT LEATHERBY SAID WE NEED TO DO A RFP.

>> I WON'T THERE THE DAY THAT THAT OCCURRED BUT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES HAVE TO BE PROCURED THROUGH RFQ METHOD.

BASE AND QUALIFICATIONS ONLY. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BID ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND WE WILL INCLUDE THOSE ARPA REQUIRED ELEMENTS IN THE RFQ WHEN WE PUBLISH IT OUT AN THE SUBSEQUENT CONTRACTS, TERMS IN THE CONTRACT.

>> WHY TO WE PUT IT IN THE ARPA WHEN NOT PAY WITH ARPAA FUNDS?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT LEATHERBY SAID LAST TIME IF IT IS A FUNDED ARPA PROGRAM ANY ANCILLARY SERVICE NEEDS TO BE RFQED -- HE SAID RUSHINGFP. HE SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT FUNDS IT COMES FROM AND TABLED TO TO THE 17 AND JENNY AND IDAY TO LOOK AT IT. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE DOING

IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN HOLD IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ALL READY TO TELL ME WHAT THE ANSWER IS -- SHE IS SHAKING HER HEAD NO.

THIS IS PREMATURE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WEB TOLD IT.

WE QUIZZED HIM ON THE P RIGHT AFTER THE MEETING.

AND GRANTS WAS ON THE LINE LOO LINE.

AND EVERYBODY ELSE ANYWAY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT HE SAID WAS

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YOU FOLLOW YOUR PROCUREMENT. WHAT MICHAEL JUST SAID, HOWEVER, WHEN YOU HAVE FEDERAL FUNDING YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT ARPA LANGUAGE AND THE ARPA LONG IS TO INCLUDE PRICE AS A FACTOR AND THAT'S WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKY.

WHAT HE IS ASKING IS FROM NOW ON BEFORE WE DO ANY EXPENDITURES OF FUNDS. BEFORE WE GET ANY PROCUREMENT THAT HE WORKS WITH PROCUREMENT WHICH HE DID TO MAKE SURE IT IS THE RIGHT KIND IN THIS CASE THE RFQ AND TEXAS PROCUREMENT STATUTE AND PRICE AND ARPA LANGUAGE BE CONSIDERED AND ITS A FEDERAL FUND. AND WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

>> JUDGE, I AM OKAY OKAY IF YOU WANT US TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DO. AND THE OTHER QUESTION BEFORE THIS MOTION TO TABLE GETS MADE, THIS HAS TO APPOINT SEVERAL MEMBERS TO AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE WHICH I FELT THIS COURT SAID WE WEREN'T DOING THOSE EVALUATION --

>> NO MEMBERS OF COMMISSIONERS COURT ON THAT COMMITTEE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO, I THOUGHT ON STUFF LIKE THIS WILL

BRING IT BACK TO THE COURT. >> Y'ALL NEVER SAID THAT.

MADE A RULE OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT RULE THAT NO MEMBER OF COMMISSIONERS COURT SHOULD PARTICIPATE ON A SELECTION COMMITTEE AND I HONORED THAT BY NOT BRINGING ANY OF YOUR NAMES ON THIS LIST. THE JUDGE IS NOT ON THERE.

JUST IDAY, JUAN AND MYSELF, I BELIEVE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RIGHT. UP THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH ANY KIND OF THINGS THAT WASN'T -- I GET -- MAYBE IT WAS MORE OF THE CONSTRUCTION -- OR THE CONSTRUCTION TYPE

PROJECTS. >> ON A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, LIKE AN IFB, LOW BID ITEM. NO COMMITTEE ON THAT.

WE JUST GET THE WINDS IN THE OFFICE AND I WOMAN BACK AND BRING IT TO THE COURT AND WE SHOW YOU ALL THE WINDS BIDS AND THE LOW BIDDER AND THE COUNTY MUCH RECORD.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS FINE.

I DON'T LOVE THE COMMITTEES BUT GO AHEAD.

IT IS OKAY FOR NOW. THAT IS FINE.

WE WILL BRING IT BACK -- >> BRING IT BACK ON THE 167TH.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MA I THINK A MOTION BUT DEVELOPMENT WANT TO QUASH ANY DISCUSSION.

JUDGE, ARE YOU OKAY? >>JUDGE CANALES: WE NEED A DOCUMENT THAT YOU CAN CIRCULATE THAT TALKS ABOUT -- AND THIS IS ABOUT -- THIS IS JUST WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE FEDERAL FUNDS, RIGHT. WE GOT TO FOLLOW OUR PROCUREMENT. THE FEDS' PROCUREMENT.

PRICE WILL BE A FACTOR. WE NEED ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS.

>> FOR OUR PURPOSES, JUDGE AND COURT, WITH EN WE ARE EVALUATING THE PROCESS OR ANYTHING GOING FORWARD.

WE HAVE TO KNOW AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

VERY BEGINNING WHAT IS THE FUNDING SOURCE BECAUSE IF YOU ARE USING ARPA FOR PART OF THAT, THAT DOES CHANGE THE ANALYSIS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:THAT IS THE INTENT.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DON'T KNOW WHY -- FROM THE BEGINNING WE SAID NO ARPA FUNDS. FROM THE BEGINNING WE NEVER SAID ARPA. EITHER MY FUNDS -- JUAN SAID SOME HAVE BEEN SET ASIDE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS GOT -- EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT ARPA FUNDS.

BUT IT WAS NEVER -- NEVER THERE. JUJTSZ JUDGE BUT I THINK --

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: JUAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO

THIS? >> I AM SORRY, COMMISSIONER, I WAS -- HAVING ANOTHER CONVERSATION.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: WE NEVER SAID ANY TIME AT ANY POINT WE USE ARPA FUNDS FOR THE ARCHITECT.

>> NO, SIR. THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED THAT ARPA FUNDS WOULD BE USED. ONLY THING USED IS ON THE CONSTRUCTION SITE. YES, SIR.

BUT NO FUNDING FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL PART.

FOR THE ARPA FUNDS. >> JUST SO YOU KNOW ON THE FEDERAL FUNDS, WE ARE GOING TO GET THE INFORMATION, BUT EVEN IF YOU USE NONARPA, IF IT IS -- IF IT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH USING ARPA, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCUREMENT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BRING TO YOU IS THAT THE FEDERAL LAWS ON THE GUIDANCE, THE TREASURY GAVE ON THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL. SO EVEN IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE, YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW A CERTAIN PROCUREMENT

EVEN THOUGH WE CAN NORM A ALLEY. >> WE ARE SAYING THIS BUT ARE WE USING ARPA MONIES FOR HILLTOP AND OTHER PROJECTS.

IF THEY ARE ALREADY SELECTED, HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK?

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SORRY, I WAS --

>> IT IS GOOD. WE ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

AND THE TRUTH IS, THAT WE ALREADY LOOKED BACK AND WE DID RFQS FOR -- FOR JACOBS ENGINEERING FOR BOB HALL AND

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DAVID RICHTER. I DON'T THINK WE DID.

>> THEY DON'T HAVE ARPA LANGUAGE IN THEIR RFQ.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH HAGERTY.

SOMETIMES THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAIL.

YOU ARE RIGHT. ALL OF THOSE ARE BEING REVIEWED.

WE ACTUALLY LOOKED ANT THEM. >> JUST KIND OF MAKING SURE --

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WANT TO MAKE SURE TOO, BECAUSE IF WE BRING ONE BACK. WE HAD INTO HE TO BRING ALL OF

THEM BACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ONLY THING

I WANTED TO SHEAR WITH -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DID

-- DID WE RFQ. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE DID.

I SELF. >>HIM OF BOB HALL AND WE ARE GOOD. ONE THING I WANTED TO SHARE -- HOLD ON, LET'S SEE. THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES.

TYPICALLY 10% IS NOT OUT OF THE REALM FOR AN ARCHITECTURAL FEE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.

ENGINEER, MAYBE NOT JUST A ARCHITECT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ARCHITECT 10% -- 10% OF A PROJECT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: REALLY? >>JUDGE CANALES: ARE YOU

SUGGESTING THAT IT IS NOT 10%? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE

PROJECT. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT DOES.

DO OFF RANGE FOR US ON THIS ONE? I AM ASKING.

TYPICALLY 10%. COULD BE 8%.

>> JUDGE, IF I THREW A NUMBER -- I KNOW, BUT I DON'T WANT TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE BIDDING ON THE PROJECT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IF YOU KNOW THERE IS A FUNDING SOURCE THAT IS NOT ARPA THAT THE PERSON, AND THE ENTITY IN THIS CASE. COMMISSIONER IS SAYING HE HAS A

FUNDING SOURCE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T

KNOW IF WE WANT TO TALK NUMBERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL NOT TALK

NUMBERS. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ON THE

17TH WE CAN TALK OF NUMBERS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 10% FOR ARCHITECT -- 10% AND ARCHITECT AND ENGINEERING MORE COMBINED.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL CHECK IT OUT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: $700,000.

>>JUDGE CANALES: VERY TYPICAL. >> GENERAL TERMS. WHAT IN GENERAL TERMS HAVE YOU SEEN FOR ARCHITECT AND ENGINEERING COMBINED PERCENTAGE.-WISE.

>> IN GENERAL TERM, JUST THROWING A NUMBER OUT.

JUST THROW IT OUT. IF IT WAS $100,000 PROJECT.

I WILL THROW THE $100,000 PROJECT.

YOU ARE PROBABLY LOOKING AT MAYBE ANYWHERE FROM $15,000 TO

$17,000 MUCH. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR EVERY EVERYTHING?

>>JUDGE CANALES: FOR A $100,000 PROJECT.

THAT IS 15%. >> ARCHITECTURAL, ENGINEERING.

YOU HAVE THE MULTIPLE DISCIPLINES.

IF IT IS ARCHITECTURE, YOU HAVE A MVP, YOU HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER, STRUCTURE, GEOTECHNICAL.

WITH THE RATES WOULD BE HIGHER ON AN ARCHITECTURAL FEE AND

LOOKING BETWEEN 15% TO 17%. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:

ARCHITECT/ENGINEERING. >> TURNKEY.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS FINE TOO.

>> JUST KIND OF THROWING. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE BUILT A LOT OF THINGS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND ANYWHERE SUPER HIGH, 12%.

AND I SEE IT. REASONABLE 8 TO 10%.

IF YOU START ASKING AND I WOULD LIKE FOR TO YOU TO THAT, JUAN, ARCHITECT. GOT GOVIN.

8 TO 10% FOR A MEDICAL FACILITY WILL BE CLEARLY IN THE REALM.

PLEASE GO -- THAT MAY SHOCK COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IF HE

NEEDS -- >> I WILL BE VIOLATING -- IS THIS OKAY GOVIN, VIOLATING RULES FOR ENGINEERING.

I EXPECT ASK -- >> IT IS CALLED WHAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. JUST GOOGLE IT.

WHAT IS THE NORM. GOOGLE.

BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT 8% TO 10%.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS WHY WE WEREN'T READY TO HAVE THIS TODAY. WE WILL BRING IT BACK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: BRING IT BACK. BRING IT BACK, BUT GET IT

TOGETHER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION -- IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ON TODAY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IT WILL BE 8% TO 10%.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. MOTION TO TABLE.

KARA. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION

TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO WHEN . >>JUDGE CANALES: I GUESS THE

END. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL AUGUST 29.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SIGHING AYE. SAME SIGN.

[2. Discuss and consider approval of BuyBoard Proposal #631-20 with Protech Mechanical, Inc. for labor, equipment, and materials to replace three (3) condensing units at the Keach Library.]

OKAY. WE HAVE GOT THREE ITEMS -- JUAN, YOU WANT TO STICK AROUND. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS -- SORRY.

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LET'S DO YOURS, JUAN, THE PROTECT ONE.

YOU HAVE A GOOD PROPOSAL FOR PROTECT, KEACH LIBRARY.

EVERYBODY REMEMBER THAT THEIR LIBRARY AC WENT OUT.

ARE YOU STILL DOING OKAY WITH WHAT YOU GOT?

>> YEAH, WE ARE JUST RECOMMENDING THE CONTRACT.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL.

WE COORDINATED WITH CATON, THE CPA, MAKING SURE WE COULD MOVE ARPA MONIES FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL FROM PRO TECH.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST REMIND YOU, 631-230.

>> TOTAL AMOUNT WAS $114,624. >>JUDGE CANALES: FUNDING SOURCE.

>> ARPA FUNDS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT?

>> ARPA MONIES. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY. DO YOU HAVE A COPY? WE TALKED -- IDAY AND I AT THAT UKD TO KATEN AND -- YOU TALKED TO DALE. AND THEY SAID WE COULD USE THE

MONEY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE OKAY?

>> YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT EVERY BUYBOARD SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT ARPA LANGUAGE.

THEY MIGHT HAVE IT IN THERE. >>THE COUNTY ATTORNEY -- AM I

RIGHT, JENNY? >> I AM TOLD IT IS GOOD AND LET

ME CONFIRM IT HAS THE ARPA LONG. >>JUDGE CANALES: SUBJECT TO -- RACHEL YOU ARE ONLINE AND LISTENING.

MAKE SURE -- IT IS IN OUR PACKET.

B-2. FOR PRO TECH.

SINCE WE ARE USING AMPA MONEY AND APPROVED AS ARPA MONEY -- IS THAT RIGHT, JUAN. APPROVED FOR ARPA MONEY FOR THE

COURT? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS AMOUNT, THIS PRO TECH CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF $114,624 BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE ARPA LANGUAGE NECESSARY TO BE IN THE CONTRACT.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IS THAT

WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WANTED TO GET

THE BACKUP. >> AS A REMINDER, COMMISSIONER, WE ARE ON TEMPORARY AC UNITS. WE ARE ABOUT FOUR WEEKS BEHIND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH, I KNOW, I WANT TO GET IT DONE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE. I WON'T SIGN IT ANYWAY UNTIL I MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE IS OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF JENNY SAYS THE LANGUAGE IS OKAY,

THEN WE ARE GOOD TO GO. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. EVEN IF, JUAN -- EVEN IF, JUAN, IT IS NOT RIGHT. WE CAN GET IT RIGHT.

THE VOTE SAYS WE WANT TO DO IT AND GET IT DONE CORRECTLY.

>> WE WILL, WE WILL. AND RACHEL LIKE I SAID IS LISTENING. SOMEBODY CAN GET IT TO THEM.

I HAPPEN TO HAVE -- THE SUMMARY, THE SLRF SUMMARY.

AND RACHEL, THERE IS FOR YOU. IT IS ON THERE.

OKAY, JUAN. SO THAT IS GOOD NEWS.

>> WE ARE GOOD. >>JUDGE CANALES: HVAC UPGRADE

[3. Discuss and consider execution of an Engineering Services Contract with Govind Development, LLC to provide Program Management services.]

WHICH TELLS ME THEY LOOKED AT IT.

NOW A MATTER OF THE LANGUAGE. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE, THE ENGINEERING SERVICES COURT WITH GOVIN.

>> YES, THERE ARE IS TAMPA. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOVIN

DEVELOPMENT. >> WE COULDN'T HAVE A MECHANICAL ENGINEER OBJECT BOARD. GOVAN ENGINEERING ELECTRICAL AND MECHANICAL TO OVERSEE OUR PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE -- TO

ASSIST US WITH ANY. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN CALL ON

THEM IF YOU NEED THEM. >> YES, MA'AM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS.

THE COURT GAVE IT TO YOU. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:

APROFDZ IN COURT. >> IT WAS APPROVED.

WE WILL BE USING SOME OF THE MONIES WE WILL BE SAVE FROM OUR

SALARY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SORRY, JUDGE. NUMBER 3.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SO MOVED.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECONDS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE MOTION IS TO PASS --

>>I KNOW. ONE QUICK ITEM ON THE AGENDA ITEM, AND MY BAD. THERE WAS A DESCRIPTION THAT IS ON THERE THAT WE WILL BE USING THE PROJECT MANAGER APPROVED IN COURT A WHILE BACK, BUT ON OUR END, WE PUT THE LANGUAGE WRONG ON THE DESCRIPTION. BUT IT IS NOT -- IT IS GOING TO

BE MONEY USED FROM OUR SALARY. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

SO YOU ARE MAKING A CORRECTION. TO KARA, THE MOTION IS TO

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EXECUTE THE CONTRACT WITH GOVIN TO PROVIDE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT SERVICES. THAT IS PAN ERROR.

YOU ARE SAYING IT IS MET FOR MECHANICAL ENGINEERING SERVICES.

SO THE MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TO FOR

EVERYTHING. >>JUDGE CANALES: MEREP.

JUDGE JJZ OKAY, DISCUSSION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SOMEBODY MADE MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AND IS SECOND? I WILL SECOND.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO IS -- I AM JUST LOOKING BUT -- I AM NOT TRYING -- BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY CPI INCREASE IN THIS ONE, RIGHT?

>> NOT ONE OF THOSE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS NOT A

PROGRAM, THE ME. >> JUAN WAS TRYING TO TELL THAT YOU THE DESCRIPTION WAS INACCURATE.

IT WAS REFLECTING THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT THAT THE COURT AWARD TO BOTH GOVIND AND FREEZE. AND THAT IS NOT BEFORE YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IS THE AGENDA ITEM WRONG?

>> CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW DO

WE -- HOW DO WE. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST MAKE YOUR MOTION TO BE FOR THE ACCURACY FOR IT.

OH, YOU ARE SAYING IT WASN'T NOTICED PROPERLY?

WELL, YOU KNOW -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM ASKING THAT. I AM NOT SAYING, I AM ASKING IF WE ARE OKAY, COUNTY ATTORNEY. I AM JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS SAYING IT WASN'T NOTICED PROPERTILY.

BUT JUST A MISTAKE ON ONE, NOT BOTH.

>> YES, MA'AM, THAT'S CORRECT. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST ON THE AGENDA AND NOT IN THE BACK-UP. I THINK IT IS A LITTLE BIT.

JEN, I WILL DEFER TO YOU. >> WHAT IS THE QUESTION?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE QUESTION IS IS THIS PROGRAM

MANAGEMENT OR NOT? >>JUDGE CANALES: NO, NOT PROJECT

MANAGEMENT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGENDA ITEM SAYS PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. I AM ASKING PROPERLY NOTICED TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE OKAY.

AND IN THIS -- THIS ISN'T PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, THIS IS.

>>JUDGE CANALES:MEP. MECHANICAL ENGINEERING AND

SERVICES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: STILL

WITH AN ENGINEERING COMPANY. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL START LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE.

THERE IS NO -- I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG -- SHOULDN'T LAST LONG, BUT

NO CPI STUFF IN THIS ONE. >> NO, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BACK TO MY QUESTION ON THIS, JENNY, IS -- ARE WE OKAY? JENNY?

>> I AM LOOKING. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST SO GOVIND IS HERE. ITS ISSUE WITH WHEN WE MAKE A MISTAKE ON THE AGENDA PART, IT DOESN'T PUT PEOPLE ON NOTICE EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING. AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE ASKING

JENNY. >> IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT ROLE

THAN WHAT WE NOTICED. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE GOOD NEWS WE ARE BACK IN COURT NEXT WEDNESDAY.

IF YOU NEED IT NOW BETWEEN -- BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEDNESDAY,

YOU CAN DO IT ON APO. >> THE MOTION HAS TO REFLECT WHAT HAD THE AGENDA ITEM IS AS KARA NOT SO NOTABLY POINTED OUT. THAT IS A GOOD POSITIVE THING.

THAT IS WHAT GRABBED MY ATTENTION.

SO I WILL SAY THAT WE TABLE THIS TO THE 17TH TO BE POSTED CORRECTLY, AS THE JUDGE SAID IF YOU NEED TO USE HIM, WE AUTHORIZE A PO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO BE DONE.

I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF THE SAME THING WE NEED TO TAKE CARE

OF. >> WE CAN DO A PO.

I WOULD REFER A PO. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE

MOTION -- >> ALREADY A MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CAN HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT FOR THIS TIME.

WE JUST HAVE TO -- BECAUSE I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE CONTRACT ALSO HAS THE WRONG LANGUAGE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE -- >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I

RESCIND THE MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEN MY MOTION WOULD BE TO PROVIDE -- TO BE -- SORRY, THEN MY MOTION WOULD BE TO PROVIDE A PO FOR WHATEVER WORK BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEEK TO KEEP THE PROCESS ROLLING PERIOD -- AND THEN SOMEONE SEBLGDZ THAT AND I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE IF THIS SOMEONE PASSES. SO IS THERE A SECOND?

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST SO YOU KNOW, HE CAN DO THAT AT ANY TIME. BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU BRING BACK THE ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT, THAT NEXT

WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER -- >> WE WILL CORRECTS IT, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: YOU WILL CORRECT IT.

>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: MAKE SURE THAT JENNY TAKES A LOOK AT IT. OKAY, THANK YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT ONE, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND.

AGAIN, THE MOTION IS REALLY JUST TO TABLE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TO ALLOW FOR THE WORK TO BE CONTINUE TO

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GET ON WITH THE PO. >>JUDGE CANALES: HE CAN'T DO A MOTION -- HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE NEEDS.

HE CAN JUST DO IT. I DON'T THINK WE CAN CREATE A MOTION THAT DOESN'T HAVE A WE WILL LANCE TO AN AGENDA ITEM.

>> I THINK NORMALLY -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU FEEL -- YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN DIRECTION THAT YOU ARE SAFE TO DO A PO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

BRING BACK THE CONTRACT NEXT WEEK.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM PULLING MY MOTION, JUDGE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST A REPLACEMENT OF WORDS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO PROPERLY POST FOR NEXT WEEK, AUGUST 17.

THAT WILL BE MY MOTION TO TABLE ON THIS ITEM NUMBER 3-B-3.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AMEND AND REPOST.

SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY

[1. Receive an update from Lockwood, Andrews & Newnam, Inc. (LAN) regarding the status of the ABM Energy Saving Performance contract, schedule of projects, and an update on the Nueces County Generator Project.]

SAYING AYE. NOW SHANE AND COMPANY.

IN YOU ARE HERE TO GIVE US -- ITEM NUMBER 1, KARA.

JUST AN UPDATE. GIVE US AN UPDATE HOW WE ARE DOING WITH A THE ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACT, THE SCHEDULED OF PRODUCTS. AND WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THE GENERATORS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT, YOU CAN, AND INTRODUCE THE TEAM WHEN YOU THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE.

GIVE US A STATUS ON -- I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ALL THINGS, FAIRGROUNDS, COURTHOUSE, ANNEX, JUVENILE.

>> OKAY. GIVE ME A SECOND HERE AND WE WILL ROLL THROUGH THESE PROJECTS REAL EASY FOR YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU HAVE ANY AIDS?

>> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: CONNIE CAN HELP YO YOU.

>> I WILL JUST PICK ONE AT RANDOM.

>> SHOWS THE CONTRACT THAT WE ALREADY APPROVED.

>> POWERPOINT? >> THAT'S IT TAMPA.

>> OKAY, THE FIRST THING WE WILL TALK.IS THE SCHEDULE AS IT PERTAINS TO ALL THE PROJECTS HAPPENING OUT HERE.

THIS SCHEDULE STARTED AUGUST 23, 2020.

THIS PROJECT FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT AS A WHOLE WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDING CHANGE ORDERS.

SCHEDULED TO BE FINISHED PROVIDING ALL THE MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT FOR THE HVAC CHANGES BY APRIL 11, 2023.

CAN CURRENTLY AWAITING AS THE COURT APPROVED THE CHANGE ORDER FOR THE 11 UNITS IN BOTH CHANGE ORDER ONE AND FOUR FOR CHANGING THE HVAC UNITS OUTS AT THE JAIL. NOW THESE UNITS REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO GET THEM REPLACED.

AND DURING THAT TIME ALSO WILL BE THE SMOKE PURGE SYSTEM THAT WILL NEED TO COME OUT AND BE REPLACED BACK INTO THE JAIL.

AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE NEW UNITS IS TO PULL THE SMOKE PURGE SYSTEM OUT. ABM IS HAVING PRO TECH BE THE PERSON DOING ALL THIS WORK. ORIGINALLY THEY HAD CACHE BUYERS MECHANICAL. BUYERS MECHANICAL HAVE BEEN FINISHED ON ALL PORTION OF THE WORK THEY ARE DOING NOW AND CHANGED OUT TO PRO TECH FOR THE REMAINING WORK LEFT.

SO CURRENTLY. GIVE ME ONE SECOND HERE.

CURRENTLY AT THE JAIL, THE LIGHTING HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND ABM HAS REMOVED BUYERS FROM ANY MORE OF THE WORK ON THE JAIL. THE JAIL HAS GIVEN THE REST OF THE WORK TO PRO TECH INSTALLING 27 BOXES.

11 NEW HVAC. DURING THE SMOKE PURGE SYSTEM AT THE SAME TIME. THE WORK WILL TAKE PLACE STARTING IN MARCH AND PRESIDENT SMOKE PURGE IN THE HVAC.

THE 11 BOXES IN THE JAIL WILL BEGIN IN A WEEK.

THAT IS SCHEDULED TO TAKE A MONTH IN ORDER TO FINISH FOR THE VAVS. THE LAST THEY THINK ARE THE JCI PROGRAMMING AND THE COLLEAGUE AND WATER PURIFIER TO BE

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CONNECTED. NEXT WE WILL MOVE OVER TO THE COURT COURTHOUSE.

>> GIVE ME ONE SECOND. MY COMPUTER HAS A TOUGH TIME RUNNING THROUGH HERE. CURRENTLY THE LIGHTING HAS BEEN FINISHED AT THE COURTHOUSE EXCEPT FOR THE POLE LIGHTING THAT NEEDS TO BE OUT IN THE PARKING LOTS.

THAT IS SCHEDULED TO BE HAPPENING WITHIN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS. THE TRANSFORMERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY SIX THAT HAVE TO BE FINISHED REPLACING.

THE TRANSFORMERS HAVE ARRIVED. AND ABM'S CONTRACTOR WILL BE STARTING THE INSTALL NEXT WEEK. AND THEN THE BOILER THAT ARE PART OF THIS -- THEY WERE JUST CERTIFIED BY THE STATE YESTERDAY NOW WHEN YOU WALK IN THE BOILER ROOM THEY HAVE THE RED STATE STICKER ON THEM. WE HAD THE ENGINEER OF RECORD WALK THIS PROJECT AND WAITING FOR HIS WRITE-UP OF EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE COURTHOUSE AND THE JAIL FOR ANY INSTALL WORK FOR ABM'S CONTRACT. NEXT SHOULD GO TO GALENHART JUVENILE CENTER. IT HAS THE ROOFING COMPLETED.

THE ROOF HAS BEEN WALKED. IT IS NOT SIGNED OFF YET.

WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE FINAL FOUR.

AND IS THE MANUFACTURER JOHNSON MAN FIELD AND THE CONTRACTOR.

EVERYBODY HAS SIGNED OFF CERTIFIED THAT THE INSTALLATION IS CORRECT AND COMPLETE. SO AS SOON AS WE RECEIVE THOSE LETTERS, THEY WILL BE TURNED OVER TO PUBLIC WORKS.

THE FINAL THING THAT WE HAVE ASKED FOR AS PART OF THE PROCESS IS WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO FLUB THE ROOF TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NO PONDING ON THE ROOF AT ANY TIME.

WE DO KNOW IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE IS SOME RAIN COMING.

IF THE RAIN DOES COME, THEY WILL GO UP THERE AND MARK UP THE SPOTS TO SHOW THAT IT -- IT DISSIPATES WATER WITHIN A 24-HOUR PERIOD PER JOHN MANSFIELD'S INSTALLATION, INSPECTIONS. THE NEXT PORTION IS THE PARKING LOT TO GALAHAR. THERE ARE THREE PHASE TODAY THIS. THE BACK PARKING LOT BEING REPLACED BY THE ROOFING CONTRACTOR BECAUSE IT GOT TORN UP AND THAT WILL BE PAVED AND THAT WILL BE STARTING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR THAT PORTION.

BASICALLY THE END OF THE MONTH. THE NEXT PORTION IS THE FRONT HALF OF THE PROJECT. THE FRONT HALF OF THE PROJECT SP GOING TO HAVE TO BE BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO PARTS AND THIS IS IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO STILL PARK FOR THE BUILDING SO ORIGINALLY ABM WAS EXPECTED -- EXPECTING TO FINISH BY SEPTEMBER 30, BUT WITH THE HAVING TO BREAK IN DOWN INTO TWO PARTS.

PROBABLY WON'T FINISH UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF ACT WITH THAT.

THE LIGHTING HAS BEEN COMPLETED AT GALAHAR.

IT HAS BEEN INSPECTED AND SIGNED OFF.

I WALKED THAT AND TURNED ON EVERY SINGLE LIGHT WITH ROCKY.

AND THE ONLY THING GOING ON AT GALAHAR.

THE LAST ONE IS MCKENZIE JAIL ANNEX.

THE MCKENZIE JAIL ANNEX IS LOOKING FOR THE FINAL PUNCH LIST WALK WORK TO BE DONE BY THE CONTRACTORS AND THEN WE ALSO HAD WALK WITH RON WHEATON AND ENGINEERING OF RECORD.

WE ARE WAITING FOR HIS FINAL REPORT.

ONCE THAT IS DONE WE WILL HAVE A WALK THROUGH WITH THE COUNTY TO SIGN OFF ON EVERYTHING. WE BROUGHT UP ITEMS ALREADY THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. SOME OF THEM HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET AND EXPECTED TO HAVE EVERYTHING ADDRESSED BY THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER. NEXT WOULD BE THE FAIRGROUNDS.

THE FAIRGROUNDS HAVE PHOENIX ONE DOING THE WATER INTRUSION WORK.

THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE FINISHED BY THE END OF THE MONTH.

THEY ARE EXPECTING THE WINDOW FRAMES AND THE GLASS TO SHOW UP NEXT WEEK. AND THEY WILL INSTALL THE 11

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WINDOWS. THEY HAVE CURRENTLY FINISHED ALL OF THE WATER INTRUSION WORK FOR THE -- BANQUET HALL AND WORKING TO PUT THE MEDICAL BUILDING AND T THE. THANK YOU FOR THE PAVING GOING ON WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS. THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING IN THE CHANGE ORDER PHASE FOUR WORK AREA WHERE WE HAD REDONE THE PARKING LOT AREA FOR THE BUSES TO ENTER.

WHEN THEY COME INTO EXHIBIT HALL B, THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT PORTION AND FINISHING UP BY THE END OF THE MONTH AND THEY ARE ALSO EXPECTING THE LAST BIT OF PAVING WHERE THEY PUT THE CONCRETE AROUND THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER.

NEXT YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPING GOING ON.

THE NEW CURBS. CONCRETE CURBS AND EVERYTHING HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM INSTALLED RIGHT NOW.

ONCE THAT IS DONE, THE PLANTING GOES IN AND THAT JOB WILL BE COMPLETE. THE FINAL PORTION OUT THERE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS THAT IS CURRENTLY ON GOING IS WORKING ON THE ARTISTIC LIGHTING. FIVE LIGHT POLES THAT THEY LAID OUT AND FOUND OUT THEY END UP IN EITHER ONE OF THE NEW CURBS FOR THE DESIGN LANDSCAPE OR A ROCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING THOSE AN CHANGING 9 LIGHTING WORK AND CONDUIT WORK FOR THAT.

AND WE WILL START INSTALLING THE ARTISTIC LIGHTING.

THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE FINISHED BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I MENTIONED YOU TO THIS BEFORE.

WE GOT ASKED BY VETERAN SERVICES IF THAT WORK WILL BE DONE BY VETERAN'S DAY. I KNOW A LOT TO ASK, BUT WE

WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT. >> WE WILL PRESS THAT AGAIN WITH

THE CONTRACTOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, THANK

YOU. >> THAT'S IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. THAT IS THE SUMMARY OF THE -- OF THE GALAHAR, MCKENZIE ANNEX, COURTHOUSE AND FAIRGROUNDS.

NIP MUCH QUESTIONS FOR SHANE. CAN YOU LEAVE IT BACK UP THERE UNLESS THERE ARE -- BACK ON THE -- YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SHANE, JUST IN CASE -- I NOTICE YOU SAID ABM IN EVERYTHING. ABM HAS THE CONTRACT TO DO THE PROJECT. THEY SUBCONTRACT WITH OTHER

COMPANIES? >> THEY ARE THE PRIME CONTRACTOR ON ALL OF IT. THEY HAVE SUBBED THE WORK TO

OTHER CONTRACTORS. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG, WHO DO YOU GO TO, THE SUBCONTRACTOR.

YOU GO TO SASHGZBM. WARRANTY IS SET BY ABM.

THE ROOFING WHICH IS A 20-YEAR WARRANTY TO JOHNSON MANSFIELD.

BOTH AT THE FAIRGROUNDS A AND GALAHAR.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: PRESENTATION ONLY, SHANE. NO ACTION REQUIRED.

[1. Discuss and consider Jail Transport services as an addition to the Vendor Payments Exception List not requiring Commissioners Court pre-approval.]

THANK YOU THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOVING ON TO D-1. KIND OF AN IMPORTANT ONE, JAIL TRANSPORT SERVICES IN ADDITION TO THE VENDOR PAYMENT EXCEPTION LIST. THIS WAS THE RESULT OF THE SHERIFF ASKING US TO HAVE THIS ON, I WANT YOU NO KNOW SO DALE, THE JAIL TRANSPORT SERVICE, YOU ARE ASKING THE COURT TO GET THIS DONE WITHOUT COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVAL, IS THAT CORRECT?

YES? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH ONE, JUDGE. JAIL TRANSPORT?

>>JUDGE CANALES: JENNY. >> YES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: IS THAT RIGHT? >> WHICH ONE ARE YOU.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ON THE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER JAIL TRANSPORT SERVICES IN ADDITION TO THE VENDOR PAYMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT. D-1.

I USED MY AGENDA IN THE BOOK. AM I STILL RIGHT? D-1? YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE -- THESE ARE PAID PROMPTLY BECAUSE THE SHERIFF ASKED US TO

PLEASE GET THESE PAYMENTS DONE. >> TO DO TRANSPORTING OF M 8 -- NOTHING DO WITH THE ARPA A AND ARANSUS -- AND GOT BEHIND

AND -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO PASS ITEM D-1 AS PUT FORTH ON THE AGENDA.

[2. Approve Budget Change Order No. 17 for Fiscal Year 2021-2022.]

>> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. DALE, ONE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER.

>> YES, BUDGET CHANGE ORDER FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

LARGE NUMBERS. LET ME GO THROUGH THE LARGE NUMBERS ON 1280. 1280 WHERE WE FUND SOME OVERAGE

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AND GET PAYMENT FROM OUR VENDOR FOR UNEMPLOYMENT.

AS YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD COVID, LARGE CLAIMS EVEN THOUGH THE PEOPLE FOUND THAT SOME OF IT WAS FRAUDULENT BECAUSE THE WAY THE RULES WERE CHANGED THEY REQUIRED US TO PAY THEM BACK. SO WE HAD TO DO A BUDGET CHANGE ORDER. 1900.

WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF FLEET CARS FROM ENTERPRISE REN TAM AND REQUIRES US TO PUT ADDITIONAL COSTS.

THEY ARE LARGE AND THEY ARE AVAILABLE.

CHANGE ORDER FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE AND APPROVAL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARD THIS BUDGET CHANGE ORDER HER IN HEARING NONE --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 17 FOR THE YEAR 2021-2022.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, SIR. A SECOND?

>>COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL NOSE FAVOR

[1. Discuss and consider Fire Marshal Job Description.]

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THE NEXT ONE IS THE FIRE MARSHAL DESCRIPTION AS WE COME INTO THE BUDGET.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE REVIEW IT AND CHIEF CLACK HAD SAN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT.

SO SI GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT -- IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME. I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT CHIEF CLACK, THIS IS THE VERSION HE HAD RECOMMENDED.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM TRYING TO GET THAT VERIFIED IF YOU CAN PASS FOR A MINUTE. HE SENT ME ONE WITH A RED-LINED VERSION AND I AM INVESTIGATEFYING IF THIS INCLUDES THE RED LIEN BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE RED LINE WILL BE IN THE THERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: CAN YOU UPDATE IT -- WE WILL PASS IT IF IT IS THE RED LINE VERSION. THAT THE VERSION THAT MET WITH

YOUR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WITH CHIEF CLACK'S APPROVAL. WITH FLOUR BLUFF AS WELL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: USING AN EXPERT TO FIGURE IT OUT.

[2. Discuss and consider instructing Human Resources Director to perform Salary Evaluation for the employee positions within the County Attorney's office, as contemplated in the Personnel Manual, Section 3, and related matters.]

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF THEY ARE GOOD, I AM GOOD.

>>JUDGE CANELES: WORK ON IT AND SALARY FOR POSITIONS.

THIS IS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THIS IS INSIDE OUR PERSONNEL MANUAL, SECTION 3.

JULIE, TELL US HOW YOU WOULD GO ABOUT DOING THIS.

AND WHAT YOU ARE ASKING THE COURT -- I THINK THE COURT NEEDS TO GIVE YOU THE INSTRUCTIONINGS IF WE THINK THIS IS KEEPING WITH

OUR POLICY. >> THIS IS JEN'S ITEM.

ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE, JENNY.

>> SURE. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO DO. AN INDEPENDENT PROCESS FROM BUDGET. WE SOUTH TO START IT BEFORE THE BUDGET PROCESS. BUT REGARDLESS, WE INTEND TO ASK FOR IT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN BUDGET AND IMPORTANT THAT IT BE MAINTAINED THROUGH THE SIMILAR JOB DESCRIPTIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY. AND WE ARE ASKING THAT PROCESSES BE FOLLOWED FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND STAFF AND ATTORNEYS. AND LIKE -- IT IS IN THE

PERSONNEL MANUAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

JULIE, HOW WOULD -- I THINK WE CAN -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THAT DONE PER THE PERSONNEL MANUAL BUT HOW -- LET ME ASK.

IS THERE A SECOND SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT.

>>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: HOW WOULD YOU

GO ABOUT DOING IT. >> AS I DISCUSS WITH JENNY, A VALERIE INVESTIGATION WAS DONE BY AN OUTSIDE AGENCY CORN FAIRY THAT WE HIRED TO LOOK AT OUR PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS, AND SINCE THEN, I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR POSITION STRUCTURE ON OUR ATTORNEY JOBS HAVE CHANGED MUCH SINCE THEN.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THAT SECTION OF CORN FAIRY REGARDING OUR ATTORNEYS TO KEEP THEM THE SAME AS WHAT THEY ARE RECOMM RECOMMENDING.

>> IN OTHER WORDS, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WILL TAKE THE CORN FAIRY STUDY. CALL THEM AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE TIMING HAVEN'T BEEN MATERIALLY CHANGED AND WE WILL

ACCEPT THAT AS A SALARY STUDY? >> CORRECT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, JENNY.

YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND CALL THEM.

THERE MITES BE AN INDESHGS THAT MITES CHANGE.

>> HALF CORN FAIRY AND HALF NUECES COUNTY PRACTICES.

WE ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT CORN FAIRY SAID.

WE KNOW TWO YEARS OUT-OF-DATE. BUT THE COUNTY HAS A HISTORY OF PRACTICE. THINGS THAT OUR OFFICE WAS ASKED TO ADHERE TO AND WE ARE ASKING IN TURN WE RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT. SO MY HOPE THAT JULIE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE COURT WITH A PROCESS AND OUTLINE WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS SO THE COURT CAN SEE LINE BY LINE WHERE IT IS THAT PARITY NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: TAKING THE CORN FAIRY STUDY AND DOING SOMETHING

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ABOUT IT RIGHT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE MOTION I HAVE -- PER THE PERSONNEL MANUAL TO TAKE THE STUDY THAT EXISTS.

NOW WE NEED A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS IF YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THIS STUDY, RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT COURT, YOU NEED TO BE DOING. IS THAT CORRECT, JENNY?

>> IT'S REALLY -- EQUALLY THE NUECES COUNTY PERSONNEL MANUAL CORN FAIRY HELPS SHOW NATIONALLY WHERE THERE IS PARITY -- EXCUSE ME, WHERE THERE IS DISCREPANCY AND WITHIN NUECES COUNTY THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR PARITY AND THAT IS THE MEASUREMENT THAT IS HE

WAS IMPORTANT TO US. >> WE WANT CLARIFICATION AS WE THROUGH THE BUDGETING PROCESS. IT IS BEING ADDRESSED AND ADDED

TO OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION. >> AS LONG AS IT IS, THAT IS GREAT BUT PERSONNEL MANUAL INDEPENDENTLY OF BUDGET.

WE ASK FOR THIS TO START AND IT HAS TAKEN US A LITTLE WHILE TO

GET TO THAT POINT BEFORE BUDGET. >>JUDGE CANALES: I JUST WANT TO

MAKE SURE. >> BASICALLY WHAT IT IS TO KEEP JOBS THAT ARE SIMILAR AT THE SAME PAY SCHEDULES.

SAME PAY RATES. LIKE A SENIOR CLERK 2, FOR INSTANCE, IN -- I AM JUST GOING TO SAY THE TAX OFFICE IS THE SAME PAY AS TAX SENIOR CLERK 2 IN THE OTHER OFFICE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY DO, RIGHT. THE ATTORNEY THING SHOULD BE EASY TO DO BECAUSE -- IF -- IF WHAT WE NEED IS AN INSTRUCTION TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US TO LOOK AT WHICH IS WHAT I ASKED JEN FOR THE OTHER DAY WHEN IT CAME UP, I WANTED TO SEE IT ANYWAY. JUST AN INSTRUCTION TO BRING IT BACK AND LET US KNOW WHERE THE DISCREPANCIES ARE BETWEEN THE

TWO OFFICES. >> BASICALLY WHAT SHE IS ASKING

FOR. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THE WHOLE COURT NEEDS TO SEE IT TOO. IF YOU WANT INSTRUCTION TO BRING THAT BACK OPINION I MAKE A MOTION TO CONSTRUCT THE HUMAN REF SOURCES DIRECTOR TO PERFORM THE SALARY OF THE EMPLOYEE POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THE MANUAL

AND COMPARE THEM -- >> GET AFTER HIM, KARA.

>> YOU WANT IT, YOU GOT IT. AND COMPARE -- NO -- OH -- DID

YOU SAY THAT ALREADY. >>JUDGE CANALES: I YIELD TO YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T -- WHAT WAS YOUR MOTION?

>>JUDGE CANALES: GO AHEAD. LIKE YOURS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COMPARED -- PZ.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE DIDN'T ADD THAT PIECE.

I WILL AMEND IT. >> COMPARE IT TO THE DA'S OFFICE. MUCH.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COMPARE IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THOSE ARE OUR ONLY OTHER LAWYERS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHOULD HAVE ASKED IF AS AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION.

JUDGE A SECOND? I HEARD IT OVER HERE.

. >> I WASN'T SURE, BRENT, IF -- I

HAD SECONDED HERS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN -- DOES THE MOTION MAKER ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SHE DOES. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY BAD.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[3. Discuss and consider supplemental pay for interim office administrator for the Nueces County Medical Examiner's Office.]

SAME SIGN. GOOD PRACTICE.

THE NEXT ONE IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL PAY FOR THE INTEROFFICE ADMINISTRATOR. JULIE, MAKE SURE WE UNDER STAND THIS IS NOT THE CURRENT BRAND-NEW POSITION AND TELL US WHAT ARE -- WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS HERE.

>> THIS ONE WAS ALSO ASKED FOR BY THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. AND THEY ARE ASKING THAT THE SUPPLEMENTAL PAY THAT WAS GRANT TODAY MARE MAY MANUEL RIOS BE EXTENDED THROUGH AUGUST 19. SHE WAS CURRENTLY -- SHE HAD RECEIVED IT THROUGH JULY 17, SO THEY WANTED TO PAY HER FROM JULY

18 THROUGH AUGUST 19. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: REMIND ME. I SLEPT SINCE THEN.

WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? WHY --

>> BECAUSE OF THE VACANCIES THAT WERE IN THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. SHE HAD TO STEP IT UP AND TAKE SOME ACTION TO HANDLE THE -- THE DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES OF THE

ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ALREADY HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATOR. THIS IS JUST FOR THAT NEW

SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME. >> THROUGH AUGUST 19.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW MUCH.

>> $280. TWO PAYPERIODS,.$600.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND SE

SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: FROM

JULY 18 HOW THAT AUGUST 19. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND.

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY. WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THIS TIME. FOR THE CLERK --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ONE THING.

WORKSHOP GOING TO GO BACK. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO, NO.

I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT I FOUND OUT THAT WAS NOT THE RED-LINE VERSION. I ASKED PATEN.

THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE. I ASKED PATEN TO MAKE A COPY OF EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT THE RED LINE VERSION.

IF THAT MEANS EVERYBODY NEEDS TIME BECAUSE THE RED LINE VERSION DIDN'T GET IN THERE. I WILL BE HAPPY TO TABLE IT AND IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT AND NEED MORE TIME.

IT IS NOT MY RED LINE. IT IS CHIEF CLACK'S RED LINE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: UP TO YOU ALL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: GO AND TELL US. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS ON ME. IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO TABLE IT,

[4. EXECUTIVE SESSION: PUBLIC NOTICE is given that the Commissioners Court may elect to go into an Executive Session anytime during the meeting to discuss matters listed anywhere on the Agenda, when authorized by the provisions of the Open Meetings Act, Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. To the extent there has been a past practice of distinguishing items for public deliberation and those for executive session, the public is advised that the Court is departing from that practice, and reserves the right to discuss any listed agenda items in executive session when authorized by law to do so. In the event the Commissioners Court elects to go into Executive Session regarding an agenda item, the section or sections of the Open Meetings Act authorizing the Executive Session will be publicly announced by the presiding officer. In accordance with the authority of the Government Code, Vernon’s Texas Codes, Sections 551.071, 551.072, 551.073, 551.074, 551.0745, 551.076, 551.086, 551.087, the Commissioners Court will hold an Executive Session to consult with attorney(s) including matters related to litigation; deliberate regarding real property, prospective gift(s), personnel matters, including termination, county advisory bodies, security devices, and/or economic development negotiations and other matters that may be discussed in an Executive Session. Upon completion of the Executive Session, the Commissioners Court may in an open session take such action as appropriate on items discussed in an Executive Session.]

THAT IS FINE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHTY.

OKAY, WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND FOR THE CLERK, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO PROBABLY GIVE US 30 TO 45 MINUTES.

YEAH. AND SO EXECUTIVE SESSION IS GIVEN THAT COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY ELECT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THIS TIME PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT OF VERNON 551, 71, # ALREADY 3, 4, 5, 86, 87.

HOLD THIS TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS RELATING TO MATTERS REAL PROPERTY, TERMINATION, ECONOMIC NEGOTIATIONS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE WILL COME AFTERWARDS AND TAKE ANY APPROPRIATE SANCTION THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED ON ITEMS DISCUSSED INSIDE EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE ARE OFF THE RECORD.

2:41. ASK ANYONE NOT NEEDED HERE TO PLEASE CLEAR.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD AT 4:19 A.M. -- P.M.

I FEEL LIKE IT IS A.M. >> SO DO I.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AT THINK RATE WE ARE OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE HAVE SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE.

AND KARA, WE ARE GOING TO START

[C. Authorize payment of bills - Special Motions List and Special Motions List - Banc of America Public Capital Corp dated August 10, 2022.]

ON. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:

CONSENT, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: CONSENT ITEM C PULLED EARLIER FOR CLARIFICATION AND INFORMATION.

AND THERE IS A MOTION -- COMMISSIONER.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO APPROVE THE PAYMENT OF THAT

BILL. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO AUTHORIZE PAYMENT OF ALL

BILLS ON C. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT AT THIS TIME. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. MOTION PASSES.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. I DIDN'T ASK.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN ITEM ON ITEM NUMBER 19 COMMISSIONER --

[19. Ratify First Amendment to agreement with Dr. Ray Fernandez, M.D. PLLC for services related to the Nueces County Medical Examiner's Office, and other related matters. ]

IS THERE A MOTION TO RATIFY THE FIRST AMENDMENT AGREEMENT FOR RAY FERNANDEZ FOR SERVICES. MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ON ITEM NUMBER 20, IS THERE A MOTION TO --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL AUGUST 29.

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND.

SFCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY DISCUSSION? AT THIS TIME SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: 13 JU

[11. Discuss and consider approval of Change Order No. 5 from Mako Contracting related to I.B. Magee Park Office renovation to provide additional concrete repairs and for Fiberglass Reinforced Panel (FRP) vendor price difference.]

JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL COME BACK. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

ITEM NUMBER 11 WAS ALSO TAKEN BUT FOR INFORMATION ONLY.

NO ISSUE THERE IS, CORRECT? OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A MOTION THAT WE --

>> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TO GO FORWARD SDWRP.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT AT THAT TIME, KARA.

I WILL NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGE ORDER 5 FOR MAKO CONTRACTING REGARDING MAGEE PARK RENOVATION.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL SECOND YOUR MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THERE WAS THE PRO TECH ONE AS WELL. IT WAS ITEM B-2 UNDER PUBLIC WORKS. A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE BOARD PROPOSAL WITH PRO TECH TO REPLACE THREE CONDENSING UNITS AT KEACH. WHAT WE DID WAS CHECK WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM FOR US THAT THE ARPA LANGUAGE WE WERE WONDERING ABOUT WAS CONTAINED INSIDE.

AND, THEREFORE, THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE SUCH BY BOARD PROPOSAL. A SECOND?

. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE APPROVED IT SUBJECT TO THE LANGUAGE.

>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS ASKING. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. GREAT.

WE ARE GOOD. >> YOU HAVE 17.

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>>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM 17. >> MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL AUGUST

29. >> SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL NOSE FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OKAY. LOOKING THROUGH HERE, KARA, DOING A DOUBLE CHECK. I THINK WE ARE ALL GOOD HERE.

>> FIRE MARSHAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOOD POINT.

ABLE TO RECEIVE AN E-MAIL VERSION.

>>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: TABLE? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO TAKE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.

THAT IS FINE. THIS IS YOUR BACK-UP.

IF THIS DOESN'T GET IN AGAIN. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WANTEDED TO POINT OUT THAT THE RED LINES ARE IN THERE. AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU IT IS REALLY -- THE BIG ONE IS ESDS AND THIS PERSON WOULD DIRECT -- THE ADD-ON HAS TO DO WITH ESDS AND COORDINATION OF THE FIRE

MARSHAL WITH THE ESD. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:

CERTIFICATIONS. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND MEMBERSHIP WITH THE NUECES COUNTY FIRE CHIEF ASSOCIATION AND THE

CERTIFICATIONS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD THIS WAS CHIEF STAFF AND HE CONSULTED

WITH CHIEF BECETA. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM FINE.

THEY ARE REAL EASY TO READ AND I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT THE CHANGES WERE. TO COORDINATE WITH THE ESD EMPLOYEES AND THE CERTIFIED PERSONNEL TO -- TO ASSIST.

SERVE AS A LIAISON BETWEEN THE ESDS AND EM AND A MEMBER OF THE FIRE CHIEF ALONG WITH CERTIFICATION OF THE FIRE PROTECTION AND 1450U7B -- 100, 200, 300, 400, 700 PLUS THE BASIC PEACE OFFICER CERTIFICATION.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF THE COURT IS GOING TO TABLE THAT WE PUT ON THIS ON AND ALSO THE POSTING SO WE CAN GET IT POSTED FOR THE NEXT TIME. NEXT TIME. -- MAP.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PUT IT ON AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I AM TOM YIELD -- EVERY TIME WE ADD TO THE NEXT AGENDA, AGENDA GETS LONG. I AM OKAY WITH PROMOTING THESE CHANGES. AND, AGAIN, IF THERE IS ANY REASON, I WILL BE HAPPY TO RECONSIDER IT NEXT TIME, BUT

JUST TO KEEP US MOVING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF NOBODY WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

PASS IT WITH THE RED LINE CHEST. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND

YOUR MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: DISCUSSION. CLARIFICATION ON PAGE 3 UNDER EDUCATION AND/OR EXPERIENCE. I SUPPORT THE OTHER RED LINE ADDED BY THE CHIEF. I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON LAST SENTENCE -- I AM SORRY, ON THE THIRD SENTENCE OF EDUCATION AND/OR EXPERIENCE AND FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN FIREFIGHTING OR INVESTIGATING REQUIRED.

IS THAT CRIMINAL, FIRE, CRIMINAL AND OR FEAR.

WHAT? WHAT KIND OF INVESTIGATING WE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE THAT --

>> I THINK HE MEANT FIRE. LET'S ADD THE WORD -- LET'S ADD

THE WORD "FIRE." >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT --

SO I WOULD -- LET'S SEE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON ITEM -- PARAGRAPH. I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THE RED LINES AS WELL ADDING THE WORD FIRE INVESTIGATING IN ADDITION TO THE EXPERIENCE.

SO IT IS EITHER ONE OR ANOTHER. EITHER FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN FIRE FIGHTERS OR FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN FIRE INVESTI INVESTIGATING.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WOULD -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHO MADE THE MOTION BUT I COULD BE THE SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I DID, BUT YOU COULD BE THE SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: KARA IS ASKING SOMETHING.

>> YOU WERE VAGUE OF THE RED LINE ITEM AND NOT PART OF THE AGENDA -- FOR THE MINUTES -- SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. WITH MY MINUTES.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ABSOLUTELY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE MOTION MADE BY THE JUDGE IS TO ACCEPT -- AND I SECONDED IT.

ACCEPT THE RED LINE VERSION BY CHIEF CLARK CLACK.

ADDITIONAL WORD FIRE ON PAGE 3 UNDER EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL MAKE SURE WITH IDAY THAT WE GET A CLEAN COPY BOTH OF THOSE ADDITIONS -- MAKE SURE THAT WE SIGN OFF ON IT AND LOOK AT THIS ONE -- I THINK THAT IS A GOOD CATCH. IS TO BE --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GOOD JOB, JOHN.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ALL NOSE FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. AND I THINK YOU HEARD IT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE POSTING NEXT TIME.

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OR REALLY -- YOU WILL MAKE THAT REQ

REQUEST. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL

GET IT ON. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOW DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A QUICK LOOK AGAIN TO SEE IF WE ARE ALL GOOD? I THINK WE ARE ALL GOOD. THOSE WERE TABLED.

[16. Discuss and consider recording executive session meetings, identifying a funding source for the needed equipment, and related matters.]

. >> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION OF THE

ONE ITEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 16 REGARDING THE NEEDED EQUIPMENT.

AND ITEM 16 -- THE EQUIPMENT PIECE OF THE -- AS IT RELATES TO FUNDING AND THE ACTUAL TYPE OF EQUIPMENT.

GO AHEAD, MA'AM. >> I DO REMEMBER -- THANK YOU, JUDGE. I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION WHERE DARYL FROM I.T. SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A LAPTOP AND DIGITALLY RECORDING AND GETTING ALL THIS EQUIPMENT.

IF I AM THE CUSTODIAN, RIGHT, OF THIS, I THINK -- I LIKE TO KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. RECORD IT ON A LAPTOP DIGITALLY AND HAVING ALL THIS EQUIPMENT THAT REALLY PLAYS INTO SOME FEARS OF IT GETTING LEAKED OUT, RIGHT.

AND SO, I THINK -- WE ARE SIMPLER THE BETTER, WHICH IS A CASSETTE. AND THEY STILL SELL THEM BY THE WAY. REALLY, YOU ONLY KEEP IT FOR TWO

YEARS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE FACT

THAT THEY DO SELL THEM. >> GOOD OLD-FASHIONED CON SET RECORDERS WITH AMAZON. I WAS ON AMAZON WHEN YOU WERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT IS SIMPLE AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE COULD BUY A SAFE. I WILL HAVE THE COMBINATION.

MY STAFF, WE ARE THE ONLY ONES AND WE WILL KEEP IT HERE IN FRONT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. TAKE THE TAPE.

MARK IT FOR EXECUTIVE. YOU CAN SIGN OFF CERTIFIED COPY AND WE PUT IT IN THE SAFE. YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS THERE AND IT IS TRANSPARENT AND IT IS SAFE.

AND THAT -- >> SOMEONE FROM YOUR OFFICE WILL HAVE TO BE THERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION RECORDING THAT.

THAT WILL BE THE INTENT. I DON'T CARE IT GETS RECORDED.

THAT IS THE ONE WHO WILL CHARGED WITH IT --

>> I DON'T -- IT FALLS ON ME. I WANT TO PROTECT IT.

I WILL PROTECT THAT RECORDING. AND NOT ONLY THE LAW, BUT THE

RIGHT THING TO DO. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WITH THE COMBINATION.

>> CORRECT. BUT THE SAFE WILL BE HERE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I CAN BE BACK HE

HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU KEEP IT. YOU GOT ALL THAT LOCKED UP STUFF. WE CAN TALK --

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I WOULD PREFER THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK I HAVE THE

COMBINATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN DO A

THUMBPRINT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T WANT TO BACK HERE IN AN OPEN HALL

HALLWAY. >> IN THE COURTROOM.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP IT, YOU KEEP IT, YOU BEING THE COUNTY CLERK. YOU LOCK UP STUFF NOW.

SAFER IF IT IS LOCKED UP IN YOUR OFFICE.

SO ANYWAY, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING? DO WE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THE MOTION MADE.

WAS IT NOT CLEAR? >> WELL, I THINK --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UP NEED TO RECORD IT. YOU NEED TO KEEP IT.

>> I -- DALE -- NOT DALE, BUT -- DARYL OPINION.

DEARLY WAS LOOKING INTO IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION? SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO

SPEND MONEY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO. >> IT IS NOT GOING TO COST A

LOT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO WE

NEED TO CLARIFY THE MOTION. >> I WOULD THINK SO.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT DO YOU NEED TO CLARIFY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT A PRIMITIVE DEVICE THAT RECORDS AND THAT WILL BE STORED IN A SAFE WITH ONLY THE COUNTY CLERK'S ABILITY TO OPEN THE SAFE.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO MO

MOVED. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:

SECOND. >> HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THE

RECORDING OF IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU WILL HAVE TO BE IN THERE TO RECORD IT.

>>JUDGE CANALES: SHE CAN'T BE IN THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A CHAIN OF CUSTODY.

SHE CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE IF IT SHALL.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT BREAKS THE PRIVILEGE RIGHT THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHE IS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.

>> SHE IS AN EMPLOYEE THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE TO HAVE THE ROOM.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE -- I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO SAY WE GAVE YOU THE WRONG TAPE.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ACTUAL DO IS -- OK

OKAY. >> I THINK THAT'S --

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW ABOUT SUBJECT TO UNLESS SOMETHING THAT PROHIBITS BEING IN THERE, THE COUNTY CLERK -- I

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MAKE A MOTION THAT THE COUNTY CLERK BE IN THERE TO RECORD THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO HAVE TO HAND IT TO HER THAT

SOMEONE THEN A ACCUSES. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN HAVE A DEPUTY FOR ALL THAT MATTERS. I DON'T THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL IN HERE.

I DON'T THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BOUND BY PRIVILEGE. DEPUTY HAS TO BE IN HERE TOO.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AGAIN, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GET GUIDANCE FROM TECH. LET'S CALL THE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND SEE WHAT THEY RECOMMEND.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AGAIN, I AM MAKING A MOTION SUBJECT TO LEGAL -- I AM MAKING A MOTION -- I AM NOT -- I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TOUCH IT WHOEVER THE RECORDKEEPER IS.

I AM MAKING A MOTION SUGGEST TO ANY -- SUBJECT TO ANYTHING THAT

JENNY -- >> I NEVER HEARD OF THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S -- I DON'T THINK THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE STATUTE. AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CREATE -- CREATE THAT -- THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. >> THE COUNTY CLERK IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SHE OR HE CAN BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT YOUR .

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANY REF SOURCE CAN.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY MOTION IS SUBJECT TO WHATEVER THE JUDGE FINDS OR ANYTHING LEGALLY THAT WE FIND BUT SUBJECT TO THE PERSON WHO IS THE KEEPER OF IT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE AND THAT IS MY MOTION TO HAVE THE COUNTY CLERK -- WHOEVER THE COUNTY IS TO RECORD THE SESSION AND BE INVOLVED IN -- AND BE HERE FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. THAT IS THE MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: SECOND.

>>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. I JUST -- I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE MAKING THESE MOTIONS UNTIL THE LEGALITIES ARE DISCUSSED. I REALLY DON'T.

I HOPE THAT -- AGAIN, I HOPE THAT BY VOTING WHY HE, WHAT WE WILL DO IS BE ABLE TO VET IT PROPERLY LEGALLY AND BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO THE COURT. AND I WISH WE HAD DONE THAT BEFORE. BUT ALAS.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE DID THIS BEFORE BECAUSE I GOT THIS FROM JENNY'S ADVISORY THAT SHE CIRCULATED.

I WASN'T GOING TO GIVE IT TO IT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: ANYWAY. LET'S MOVE ON.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

I AM GOING TO ABSTAIN, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL ADVICE AND I NEVER HEARD OF THIS EVER BEFORE.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY -- YOU CAN BRING IN ANY RESOURCE PERSON, BUT -- BE CAREFUL. YOU JUST MADE YOURSELF A WITNESS. THAT IS A PROBLEM.

>> TO WHAT? >>JUDGE CANALES: TO ANYTHING.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHE DID NOT MAKE HERSELF A WITNESS.

BY ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOT EVERYTHING WE DISCUSS IN HERE IS ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OF COURSE IT IS.

THAT IS WHAT EXECUTIVE SESSION IS.

IT HAS TO BE. >>JUDGE CANALES: FOR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT --

WELL -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE,

ALL ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM BEING A WITNESS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHE IS NOT A WITNESS!

>> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: NOT SAYING SHE IS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS.

>> IF YOU ALL DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL.

I WOULD BE A WITNESS. BUT Y'ALL ACT LIKE YOU ARE BACK

HERE AND YOU HAVE -- WHAT IS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THERE ARE PRIVILEGE. THERE ARE CERTAIN PRIVILEGE.

>> I AM A DULY-ELECTED OFFICIAL. BUT I WOULD NOT QUESTION WHETHER

OR NOT I CAN. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUT KARA, IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO GET SOME BACK GROUND BEFORE WE MAKE MAJOR CHANGES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN HAD BEFORE.

WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE ANY RESOURCE HERE.

WHEN WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM. BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS -- IT IS UNPRECEDENTED TO HAVE ANOTHER ELECTED IN HERE ALL THE TIME.

>> ACTUALLY NOT. BECAUSE THE -- THERE ARE SEVERAL

CLERKS THAT GO IN EXECUTIVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE NEVER DONE

IT HERE THOUGH. >> BUT NOT UNPRECEDENTED.

IT IS ACTUALLY IN THE STATUTE. BECAUSE WE ASK.

>>JUDGE CANALES: FOR CONTRACT PIECES.

>> DO CLERKS NEED TO COME IN. DO WE HAVE TO ATTEND? THERE ARE SEVERAL CLERKS THAT GO IN AND ACTUALLY KEEP THE MINUTES IN EXECUTIVE -- CERTIFIED MINUTES, BUT IT IS UP TO THE

COURT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE INTERESTING THING IS -- CAN YOU GET THE STATUTE FOR ME ON THE CERTIFIED MINUTES BECAUSE IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IT IS THE COUNTY JUDGE'S MINUTES. CAN YOU DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR

ME. >> THE COURT'S MINUTES.

AND THE COURT'S RESPONSIBILITY AND THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN

TELL GATE IT TO IS THE CLERK. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE HAVE CHECKED THIS OUT. NOT UNPRECEDENTED.

EVIDENCE LOOKED AT THIS OVER AND OVER AND I SPENT A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND THIS IS ALL LEGAL AND CHECKED OUT AND

THOUGHT OUT. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST SO YOU KNOW. I AM ASKING FOR JUST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

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I WILL JUST ABSTAIN. AND WE WILL GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET, YOU KNOW -- WE GET SOME INFORMATION, THAT'S ALL.

IN FACT, I THINK YOU CAN HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION WITHOUT YOUR ATTORNEY WHICH MAYBE WE HAVE NOT DONE BUT COULD ALSO BE DONE.

BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST THE RESOURCE AS WELL.

>> THERE ARE PORTIONS THAT YOU WO

WOULD. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS WHAT I MEANT WHEN NOT ALWAYS ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE.

MANY TIMES I HAVE BEEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH NO LAWYERS AND NO ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO

LAWYERS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I NEVER HAVE BEEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITHOUT ATTORNEYS.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I HAVE BEEN IN OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NEVER DONE IT WITH THE CITY.

>>JUDGE CANALES: AT THE PORT, MANY TEAMS THERE WERE NO LAWYERS. EXECUTIVE SESSION IS US.

RIGHT. YOU DON'T GET THE -- YOU GET THE ADVICE OF COUNCIL BUT US TOO. OKAY.

[ Adjournment in Memory (upon request)]

SO WHERE ARE WE GUYS, ANYTHING ELSE.

>>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ADJOURN M

MENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ADJOURNMENT IN

MEMORY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, ONE TODAY. JAMESR. JIM HARRIS BORN IN CRAW FORDSVILLE, INDIANA. ONLY CHILD.

HE WAS PROUD OF HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH AND ATTENDED THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AND A FORMER MEMBER OF ST. LUKE'S METHODIST CHURCH. HE WAS MARRY TO BETTY JOE FISHER ON A BLIND DATE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

WHILE IN THE YEAR, THEY MARRIED IN CORPUS CHRISTI, HE WAS IN RAM TEIN AIR FORCE BASE. HE AND BETTY MOVED BACK TO TEXAS AND JIM ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS LAW SCHOOL AND BON THE COURT COMPETITION AND RECIPIENT OF THE JAMES DOHERTY.

AND SERVED AS ASSISTANT DEAN. JIM AND BETTY RETURNED TO CORPUS CHRISTI WHERE HE PRACTICED LAW FOR 60 YEARS.

AND DESIGNATED. AND BEST LAWYERS IN AMERICA AND SELECTED MEMBERS OF THE AMERICAN COLLEGE AND HIDE AND HARRIS AND THOMAS AND FINALLY HARRIS. HE WAS KNOWN AS, QUOTE, THE BULLDOG BECAUSE OF HIS TENACITY AND SUCCESS IN THE COURT ROOM.

HE WAS PROUD OF HIS ATHLETICISM. JOGGED EVERY MORNING FOR 49 YEARS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL TRACK. HE LOVED FOOTBALL AND ESPECIALLY HIS BELOVED UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS LONGHORNS.

TIRELESS WHO CONTINUED TO WORK ON BUSINESS PROJECTS EVEN UNTIL HIS LAST DAY. HE LOVED GOING TO WORK AND GIVE UNENDING WORK TO EMPLOYEES LIKE LINDA JOHNSON AND MARGARET CALLOWAY WHO HE CONSIDERED TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE FAMILY.

ANA AVID ADVENTURER AND INTREPID HEART.

PETITION SEARCHED FOR BURIED TREASURE WITH A MAP FOUND IN HIS FATHER'S BASEMENT. HE BOARD ASIA AND JAPAN, HE WAS MOST PROUD OF HIS EVER-GROWING FAMILY HE VIEWED AS HIS GREATEST LEGACY. EMBRACED ROLE OF GREAT GRANDFATHER AND CUDDLE AND OLD EVERY NEW BABY AND A CONSTANT PRESENCE. HE WAS PREDECEASED BY HIS PARENTS PAUL AND EDITH WEAVER AND LOVING WIFE BETTY FISHER HARRIS. SURVIVED BY HIS TWO CHILDREN.

HIS SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN. WILLIAM, MEREDITH, ELIZ ELIZABETH, CHRISTIANA, MARY, FRANCES, CHRISTOPHER, AND ANDREW, MARY PAGE. AND HE WAS PROUD OF HIS EIGHT AND COUNTING GREAT GRANDCHILDREN.

HE WILL BE FIERCELY MISSED. CHEERS TO A LIFE EXTRAORDINARILY WELL LIVED. OUR CONDOLENCES TO BETSY, THEIR FAMILY, JIM AND ALL THOSE TOUCHED BY MR. HARRIS AND HE WAS INDEED AS JUDGE CANALES KNOWS A BULLDOG WITH REGARD TO HIS TENACITY AND SUCCESS IN THE COURT ROOM.

CONDOLENCES TO THE HARRIS FAMILY.

>> AMEN. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ:

ANYBODY ELSE? >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY.

WE STAND ADJOURNED. THE TIME IS 4:41 P.M.

I GOT TO COME BACK. I FORGET -- WE GOT AN ORDER TO DO THE PAYMENTS PROPERLY ON ITEM 13 ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL.

REMEMBER YOU SAID TO KEEP THAT GOING WHILE WE TABLED IT.

THAT WAS ITEM 13. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE

APPROVED IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUT CORRECT LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS.

>> GO AHEAD, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: GIVE ME A

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SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT WAS

FROM IDAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: HERE IT IS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE MADE A MOTION, BUT -- ON THAT.

BUT -- BUT HAGERTY FOLKS SUGGESTED AN ALTERNATIVE WAY OF SAYING IT THAT SOUNDED REASONABLE AND WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM. IDAY SENT THAT TO US.

>> I SENT AN E-MAIL, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME CALL YOU

UP TO WE CAN READ IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DIDN'T

IT COME FROM YOU? >> THE E-MAIL I SENT.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU SENT IT TO ME JUDGE.

CAN YOU JUST READ IT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET'S SEE. I WILL BE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH A MOTION TO EXTEND THAT PROVISIONAL AGREEMENT UNTIL THE 17TH TO PERMIT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO WORK WITH HAGERTY WITH THE UNDERSTAND THIS PROVISIONAL SUPPLSUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT ARE EXTEND NTE -- WHAT IS THAT?

>>JUDGE CANALES: NOT TO EXCEED. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A PORTION OF AND NOT IN ADDITION TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE. THAT WILL BE OUR MOTION.

>>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WILL CLEAR -- AND WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE IT TO YOU. TO MAKE SURE THAT IS IN DIRECT KEEPING. AND WE SAID I WILL PAY HIM, BUT

THIS IS THE RIGHT LANGUAGE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM.

>>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

>> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE MOTION WHAT I READ INTO THE

RECORD THAT WE WILL GET TO YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND THAT. AGAIN, KARA, ITEM 13.

AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. AGAIN IT CLEARS UP -- PUTS THE RIGHT LANGUAGE IN THE RECORD. AND WE GOT THAT DURING OUR BREAK. OKAY, NOW WE STAND ADJOURN.

AND THE CORRECT TIME IS 4:44. THANK YOU.

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