[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:22] . >>JUDGE CANALES: I ASK THAT ALL OF YOU RISE FOR INFO OCCASION. PLEASE REMAIN STANDING AFTER INVOCATION FOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OUR TEXAS FLAGS. WE DON'T HAVE A MEMBER OF THE. WE DON'T HAVE A PASTOR OREGON DANED MINISTER, BUT WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET. MR. TERRY MILLS. I WANT TO BE IN ORDER. OKAY. GOOD MORNING. MAY WE BOW OUR HEADS. FATHER, WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE LIFE, HEALTH AND STRENGTH. PRAISE YOUR NAME FOR GOODNESS, GRACE AND MERCY. WE PRAY THAT YOU FORGIVE US FOR OUR SINS. WE PRAY THAT THIS MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED IN ORDER THAT IT BE DONE. WE ASK THAT YOU DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY, MOVE FORWARD IN BROTHER LOVE. JUST BEING ON ONE AWARD IN JESUS'S NAME. AMEN. >> AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO YOU THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE ARE HERE IN NUECES COUNTY COURTHOUSE. 901 LEOPARD ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF NUECES COUNTY COURT ROOM. 9 9:39 A.M. AND ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE HERE PRESENTED AND THIS IS CERTAINLY NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE IN THEIR CHAIRS. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL MOVE TO -- [D. ANNOUNCEMENT ON DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Any Conflicts of Interest or Appearance of a Conflict of Interest with items on this agenda shall be declared at this time. Members with conflicts will refrain from voting and are asked to refrain from discussion on such items. Conflicts discovered later in the meeting shall be disclosed at that time.] I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THE MAGIC WORDS, I CERT FINA A QUORUM IS PRESENT. ANNOUNCEMENT ON DISCLOSURES. IF THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OR APPEAR TO BE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA SHOULD BE SAID AT THIS TIME. MEMBERS WITH CONFLICTS SHALL NOT [E. SAFETY BRIEFING] DISCUSS ITEMS. AND IT CAN BE DISCLOSED LATER IN THE TIME IF NOT DONE ALREADY. I WILL MOVE FOR THE SAFETY BRIEFING AND HAVE REBECCA GO TO THE PODIUM AND ASK YOU TO FIVE HER YOUR ATTENTION. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, ATTENDEES. OUR SAFETIES BRIEFING FOR TODAY, AUGUST 5, HELD IN THE NUECES COUNTY COURT ROOM. REST ROOMS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE THIRD FLOOR ATRIUM PAST THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE. THERE IS A FIRE EXTINGUISHER LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE COURTROOM AND FIVE ADDITIONAL FIRE EXTINGUISHERS LOCATED THROUGH THE ATRIUM AREA. BLEED CONTROL STATIONS ARE ON EVERY FLOOR. IN THE EVENT OF A CARDIAC EMERGENCY, AN AED IS LOCATED ON THE RIGHT WALL NEXT TO THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE. PARTICIPANT FOR TODAY WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DIALING 911 WILL BE CONNIE. IN THE EVENT OF AN EVACUATION, OUR EGRESS ROUTE WILL BE SLOWLY DOWN THE ATRIUM STAIRS, PROCEEDING OUT THE DOORS LOCATED ON THE LAPAN STREET SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE. IF SOMEONE IS UNABLE TO WALK DOWN THE STAIRS, PLEASE WAIT AT THE ELEVATOR AND MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE GOES DOWN AND LET'S LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOW THAT YOU ARE WAITING TO BE ASSISTED. ONCE YOU ARE DOWN, THEN YOU WILL ASSEMBLE IN THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET. IT IS IMPORTANT TO STAY TOGETHER. SHOULD THERE BE A NEED TO SHELTER IN PLACE DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE SHELTER IN PLACE, THE COURT ROOM'S DOUBLE DOORS WILL BE SECURED AND REMAIN SECURE UNTIL GIVEN NOTICE FROM THE NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. OUR GUEST SANITIZER FOR THE DAY WILL BE DANIEL AND TWO OTHER ITEMS. ONE IS EVERYONE REMEMBER SCHOOL IS STARTING ON TUESDAY. AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO SIGNS. IF THE LIGHTS AREN'T WORKING, BE AWARE OF THE CHILDREN IN THE STREET. ALSO I WANTED TO SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY DADDY WHO IS 90 YEARS OLD TODAY. [F. PUBLIC COMMENT: This section provides the public the opportunity to address the Commissioners Court on any issues within its jurisdiction. The Commissioners Court may not take formal action on any requests made during the Public Comment period which are not on the Agenda, but can refer such requests to County staff for review if appropriate.] THANK YOU SO MUCH. [APPLAUSE] >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. SO WE WILL MOVE NOW TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AS I DO EVERY COURT, I AM GIVEN A SHEET. AND THIS ONE IS FULL. SO I WILL ASK ALL OF YOU -- WE ALSO HAVE SOME ONLINE, CONNIE. AND I WILL BE MINDFUL OF THAT. WHAT I WILL DO IS MAYBE -- MISS [00:05:02] FUENTES, I SEE YOU AND I WILL WORK YOU INSIDE THIS PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL CALL ON YOU. AND WHEN I DO, YOU CAN UNMUTE. AT THIS TIME I WILL TAKE US A LITTLE BIT IN ORDER AND CALL MISS BETTY SHEETS. MISS SHEETS, JUST HOLD ON ONE MOMENT. THE HARD PART ON TODAY THAT THERE WERE NO ITEMS REFERENCED. SO HERE IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO YOU. LET ME JUST DO A PIE HOE THETICAL. THERE IS A GREAT ITEM COMING UP ON THE VETERANS CEMETERY CONTRACT. I RECOGNIZE SOME OF MY VETERANS. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE VETERANS CEMETERY CONTRACT, YOU CAN DO SO WHEN I BRING THAT UP. OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE TO LEAVE, YOU CAN ALSO DO IT RIGHT NOW. I THINK I AM GIVING YOU, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION. SAME THING -- I CAN TELL BECAUSE I KNOW THE AUDIENCE SO WELL. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITIES AND ADVOCACY GROUPS. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THAT PRESENTATION, YOU MAY, OR YOU JUST NEED TO ANNOUNCE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE DOING IT NOW IN ADVANCE. I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. SOMETIMES WE -- WE DO GET PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS UNRELATED TO AGENDA. AND I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T SPEAK BACK TO YOU AT THIS TIME. BUT YOU MIGHT GET INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA ITEMS LATER. YOU GOT A THREE-MINUTE TIMER AND I ASK THAT YOU BE MINDFUL OF IT SINCE WE HAVE A SHEET AND A HALF OF IT. AND SPEAKING OF SHEET, MISS BETTY SHEETS, YOU MAY PROCEED. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M HERE TODAY -- IT IS NOT ON THE NORMAL TOPIC THAT I'M HERE FOR. THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL TOPIC AND I HOPE EACH ONE OF YOU TAKES THIS TO HEART TODAY. AS YOU KNOW, JUDGE BAR BARBARA CANALES IS RUNNING FOR REELECTION. I HAD SOMETHING I WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, BECAUSE WHEN I WALK THROUGH THOSE FRONT DOOR THIS MORNING, THAT TABLET DOWN THERE SAID IT ALL. AS YOU KNOW, IT CONTAINS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. THE MAJOR COMMANDMENTS TO ME ARE EIGHT AND FIVE. THEY ARE THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR. WHEN COMES ELECTION TIME THE NASTINESS, DIRTINESS AND THE LIES ARE COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK. PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER AS IT HAS BEEN SEEN AND PROVEN HERE. I HOPE YOU CAN IN YOUR GOOD CONSCIOUSNESS TONIGHT SLEEP KNOWING THAT YOU HAD BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR. THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT IS THOU SHALL NOT KILL. YOU ARE KILLING YOUR SOUL AND YOU ARE KILLING YOUR OWN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ESPECIALLY YOU, GENTLEMEN, THAT ARE TEARING HER DOWN. YOU SHOULD BE SUPPORT TESTIFY. WHEN YOU RUN, SHE IS THERE FOR YOU. YOU NEED TO BE THERE FOR THIS LADY. PLEASE FORGIVE AND FORGET WHATEVER YOUR PROBLEMS ARE AND SUPPORT HER AND BACK HER. TECH YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND LET'S GO TO LUNCH TODAY. THANK YOU, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. NEXT WE WILL HAVE -- IT'S ANDREA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL -- EITHER WAY. >> I CAN GO AHEAD AND GO NOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: PLEASE DO. CAVEREC. >> MY NAME IS ANDREA CORVAREC, MENTAL HEALTH DIRECTOR OF MHRD. WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE LIVES IN OUR COUNTY AND TO BE ABLE TO HELP SOME OF THE INCREASING ISSUES THAT WE ARE SEEING NATIONWIDE WHICH IS THE OVERRUNNING OF JAILS AND THE OVERRUNNING OF OUR ERS DUE TO THE RISE OF MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUE THAT ARE SHOWN NATIONWIDE, ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID HAS COME ABOUT. SO WHILE -- BACK IN 2018, THIS WAS ALREADY AN ISSUE AND IT IS JUST INCREASED. IN 2018, IT WAS RECOGNIZED AND MHID WAS ASKED FOR HELP TO ADDRESS THESE AND WHERE THE PITFALLS LIE. AS ONE OF THE LARGEST OUTPATIENT PROVIDERS OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND DISORDERS, WE KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE. SO WHEN WE WERE ASKED FOR HELP, IN 90 DAYS WE WERE ABLE TO DESIGN DIVERSIONARY PROGRAMS THROUGH CIT OR JAIL-BASED COMPETENCY RESTORATION FOR THOSE SITTING IN THE JAIL FOR YEARS WAITING TO GET TO A STATE HOSPITAL BED BECAUSE THE LABLG [00:10:01] OF THE RESOURCE -- LACK OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE. WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND GET THEM COMPETENT WITHIN NOW A 60-DAY AVERAGE NOW WITH THE SLOWING DOWN OF THE COURTS. THROUGH THIS WITH CIT, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DIVERT JUST FROM OCTOBER OF JUNE OF THIS YEAR 722 PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE FOR CALLS OF SERVICE JUST THROUGH THAT PROGRAM ALONE AS WELL AS DIVERTING 362 OF THOSE PEOPLE. SO OVERALL THIS IS A HUMAN STK ISSUE AND SAVES LIVES THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY AND HELPS THOUSAND OF PEOPLE. ANNUALLY WE SERVE 10,000. BUT OVERALL, IT DOES HELP THE COUNTY ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES FOR AGENDA ITEM 4, THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COLLABORATIVE. WITH THE DIVERSION CENTER, WE CAN INCREASE THESE EFFORTS AND SAVE THE COUNTY A LOT MORE. NOT ONLY DOES THIS IMPACT THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTIES, BUT IT ALSO IMPACTS OUR TAXPAYERS. OVERALL, WITH THESE DIVERSIONS, AFTER THE EXPENSE OF THESE PROGRAMS, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A NET RETURN OF $4,4,000,719. WITH THE DIVERSION CENTER THIS IS AN EASE FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE JAILS, MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY AND ALSO STRENGTHEN THOSE PARTNERSHIPS WITH CENECORP THAT ADDRESSES THOSE SUBSTANCE ABUSE DIVERSIONS AND GET PEOPLE THE HELP THEY NEED AND GIVES PEOPLE A SECOND CHANCE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINDS THEIR PURPOSE IN LIFE AND GIVE BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITIES. SO THAT'S WHERE I STRONGLY ENCOURAGING YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE IMPACT YOU CAN HAVE ON THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. AND IMPROVE THE PROCESSES. THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CREATED AND CLOSE THE GAPS THAT ARE REMAINING, WHICH WE HAVE DONE A LOT. AND I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT MORE. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THE NEXT ON OUR LIST IS RENEE MEN CEOLA. HONORABLE JUDGE AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING. I WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING TO YOU ALL AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF BITS TO ADD TO THAT. I AM WITH THE SAME PROGRAM WITH THE MCNHID. I AM MORE ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE AND A COUPLE OF POINTS TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF. AND ONE, WE ARE A NONPROFIT. EVERY DOLLAR THAT IS SEPTEMBER TO US OR AWARDED TO US ARE SPENT ON THE PROGRAMS. THEY ARE RETURNED TO THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT EVERY DOLLAR THAT IS SPENT ARE SPENT ON THE PROGRAMS THAT WE GET. THE SECOND ITEM THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, WE ARE ONE OF 39 CENTERS. THE FOURTH DIVERSE CENTER IN THE STATE. AND IT IS IMPORTANT TOP NOTE WE ARE GOVERNED BY NHCC AND ANYBODY ELSE. WE ARE AUDITED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND A AUDIT BY THE OUTSIDE FIRM TO ENSURE THAT WE FOLLOW EVERY GAP FUNDING PRINCIPLES AND MANDATES AND EVERY DOLLAR SPENT IS SPENT IN A CORRECT MANNER. WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT ALL THE FUND THAT COMES FORWARD GOES TO THE PROGRAMS THEMSELVES AND I KNOW Y'ALL WILL HAVE A BUSY DAY AND A LOT OF STUFF TO COVER AND I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING THOSE POINTS, THOSE TWO IN PARTICULAR OF HOW THE FUNDING IS SPENT AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY AUDITED AND AN ANNUAL AUDIT DONE EVERY YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FUNDING IS SPENT PROPERLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, MR. MENCEOLA. THE NEXT WESTERN IS GINA BENYA. >> GOOD MORNING, COURT. GINA BENYA. I AM REQUEST MHID. I WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE SPECIALIZED SERVICES 2345 MHID GIVES TO THOSE WITH EMOTIONAL AND INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES. IQ SCORE ABOUT HE LOW 70 AND THOSE ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM. MANY ALSO HAVE MANY COMPLEX, PHYSICAL, MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CONDITIONS. AS A RESULT OF THESE COMPLEXITIES, MANY INPATIENT PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS TURN AWAY SOMEONE. THIS LEFT OUR FAMILIES IN NUECES COUNTY WITH VERY FEW OPTIONS THAN CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OFTEN LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONDS AND ESCALATES IT FURTHER AS THE INDIVIDUALS DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING. THIS COULD RESULT IN THEM BEING REMOVED FROM THEIR HOMES OR EVEN PLACED IN JAIL. PLACEMENT OF SPECIAL NEEDS INDIVIDUALS IN INSTITUTIONS AND JAILS PUTS THEM AT INCREASED RISK OF ABUSE, NEGLECT, EXPLOITATION, SEXUAL ASSAULT AND DETERIORATION OF THEIR HEALTH. IN ORDER TO PREVENT, 911MHID OFFERS CRISIS RESPITE SERVICES. OUR PROGRAMS HAVE SPECIALLY TRAINED STAFF THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH WORK WITH THESE POPULATIONS. [00:15:01] THEY PARTNER COLLABORATIVELY WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND OUR CRISIS TEAM INCLUDING CIT AND MCOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEEDS ARE SAFELY MET WHILE THEY ARE AT HOME OR IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE ARE NO OTHER SERVICES OR PROGRAMS LIKE THIS IN NUECES COUNTY THAT SERVE SPECIAL NEEDS POPULATION AS MHID THAT IS THE LOCAL LEG LEG WALL AUTHORITY FOR NUECES COUNTY AND THE SEOUL PROVIDER OF THESE SERVICES. SO FAR THIS FISCAL YEAR, MHID HAS PROVIDED WITH IDD SERVICES. AND HAVE ENGAGED IN MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. REFERRED TO ADULT MENTAL HEALTH AND YOUTH SERVICES. WE HAVE ACCESS TO MHID CRIMINAL RESPITE FACILITY, WALK-IN PSYCHE AT TRICK CLINIC AND COUNSELING PROGRAMS WHENEVER NEED. WITHOUT THESE SERVICES, THESE INDIVIDUALS COULD HAVE ENDED UP IN JAILS, STATE HOSPITALS, STATE SUPPORTED LIVING CENTERS OR IN MANY CASES ENDED UP HOMELESS INTERACTING MORE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO CONCLUDE THESE PROGRAMS ARE BASED ON BEST PRACTICES AND REGULATED BY THE TEXAS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION THAT PROVIDES OVERSIGHT FOR ALL SERVICES. AND PROVIDES ANNUAL SURVEYS TO OUR IDD SERVICES THAT ARE IN SIGNIFICANCE COMPLIANCE WITH ALL STATE RULES AND REGULATIONS. MHID IS ACCREDITED IN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND THE ONLY CERTIFIED BEHAVIORAL CLINIC IN NUECES COUNTY AND CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF SEEKING EYE ACCREDITATION FOR IDD LONG TERM SUPPORTS. IT IS MY BELIEF THAT A DIVERSION CENTER AS PROPOSED AND OVERSEEN BY MHID WILL BE A BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS OF NUECES COUNTY INCLUDING THOSE ARE IDD AND THEIR FAMILIES. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT HERE FROM KAYLA BUREAU. >> GOOD MOMORNING. >> I AM ALPC AND SUPERVISOR FOR NUECES COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH. I AM SUPERVISOR FOR MOBILE OUTREACH CRISIS TEAM AND I WANT TO SPEAK OF OUR CRISIS SERVICES OVERALL AND WHY THE DIVERSION CENTER ALSO BENEFIT THOSE CRISIS SERVICES. TWO YEARS AGO WE EXPANDED CRISIS SERVICES TO INCLUDE OUR OWN PSYCHIATRISTS, TWO NURSE PRACTITIONERS AND MEDICAL ASSISTANT AND TEN CASE MANAGERS. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, BAYVIEW AS WELL AS OCEAN,CENECORP HERE AS WELL. THE DIVERSION CENTER WILL BE A BENEFIT BECAUSE WE SERVE A POPULATION WHO STEP DOWN FROM THESE FACILITIES AND IN NEED OF ADDITIONAL CARE WHICH IS INCLUSIVE OF MEDICATION, EDUCATION, STABILIZATION. SO WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT THROUGH OUR NEW WALK-IN CLINIC. THEY CAN STEP DOWN AND SEE A PSYCHIATRIST. HELP THEM WITH MEDICATIONS AND HELP THEM OBTAIN FINANCIALLY WITH MEDICATIONS. AND EX-EXTEND THE CARE UP TO 30 DAYS WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO SEE A PERSON EVERY DAY THROUGH OUR CASE MANAGERS. WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CASE MANAGEMENT EXTENDED INDEPENDENT LIVING AND COPING SKILLS AND GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THESE PEOPLE AND LOCATE THEM IMMEDIATELY UPON THEIR HOSPITAL STEP DOWN. TODAY I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT YOU HAVE CAN GIVE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. MR. BILL HOLSHIR. OKAY. MISS -- MEREDITH -- IS IT --GRANTHOM. >>JUDGE CANALES: MEREDITH -- OH, SORRY. DAWN OSBOURNE. NOT TO EMBARRASS YOU, BUT FOREVER YOU WILL BE CHIP TO ME. >> I WAS GOING TO MENTION -- SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER ME FROM HIGH SCHOOL AS CHIP. LIFE IS FULL OF FIRSTS. MY FIRST TIME IN A NONCRIMINAL COURT IN THIS BUILDING. [LAUGHTER] AND IT -- IT IS KIND OF A STRANGE THING. BUT I COME, YOU KNOW, NOW AS LIFE TURNS. I LOOK BACK AND MY LIFE HAS BEEN FULL OF MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEMS. AND FROM BEGINNING I CAN REMEMBER EARLY ON, WAY -- AT EIGHT I REMEMBER DRINKING BEFORE THE BUS. PROBABLY CAUSED BY THE POST TRAUMATIC STRESS OF EARLY CHILDHOOD. I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL THE AGE OF 45 THAT SUICIDAL IDEALIZATIONS AND SUICIDAL THOUGHTS WERE NOT NORMAL. [00:20:06] AND THAT WAS -- THAT IS WHEN I WAS IN THE LOVING HANDS OF OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND SEEING A PSYCHIATRIST AT THIS TIME. SO MY JOURNEYS HAVE BEEN UP AND DOWN. THROUGH THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WHEN I GOT OUT, I WAS LEARNING HOW TO LIVE SOBER. BEFORE I LEARNED -- I WAS TRYING TO BE SOBER AND I USED THE MHMR SERVICES BECAUSE WHEN I WAS GETTING SOBER I HAD SUICIDAL IDEALIZATION AND I HAD TO SEEK MEDICATION AT THE TIME. I GOT OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WHICH IS AN ANSWER TO THE PRAYER. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IF, YOU KNOW, IT SAVED MY LIFE AND MADE ME TURN AROUND. WHEN I GOT OUT I HAD TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE SOBER AND REACHED TO THE COUNCIL FOR ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE GUIDANCE AND HAD TO GO BACK TO MHMR, BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN THE HALFWAY HOUSE, I HAD A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN. THE STRESSORS OF LIFE GOT TO ME. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. I WAS FINE ONE MINUTE AND SFECH CRYING AND BAWLING IN THE HALFWAY HOUSE AND I COULDN'T SLEEP AND I DIDN'T KNOW. I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND. THIS IS FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS A COLLEGE EDUCATION. THAT HAD RESOURCES. AND SO I COULDN'T IMAGINE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS BEING ON THE STREET AND NOT BEING ABLE TO REACH OUT. SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS SHORT, I THINK THAT THE DIVERSION PROGRAM AT SOME POINT ALONG MY JOURNEY, LET'S SAY, WILL MAKE A FECHLS GREAT IMPACT ON ME. ON ONE OF THE ARRESTS FOR POSSESSION THAT I HAD, WOULD HAVE STOPPED THE PROGRESSION OF THAT. I WAS NEVER AWARDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO A REHAB. YOU KNOW IN MY CRIMINAL MIND, I THOUGHT I WAS OUTSMARTING RIGHT BUT IN REALITY, I WAS JUST PROLONGING THE INEVITABLE. THE SOONER WE CAN CATCH THESE THINGS THROUGH A DIVERSION COURT SYSTEM, THE GREATER IMPACT ON THE INDIVIDUAL, THE LESS IMPACT ON SOCIETY. BECAUSE WHEN I WAS INCARCERATED, WHEN I FIRST GOT IN, IT WAS $32,000 TO HOUSE ME. WHEN I GOT OUT, IT WAS $45,000 OR OVER $45,000 A YEAR TO HOUSE ME IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM. THE MONEY SPENT NOW BRINGS GREAT REWARDS AND GAINS ON THE BACK SIDE. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEND THE MONEY UP FRONT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ALSO USE ROBERT FOR -- THANK YOU, ROBERT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I KNOW IT IS JUST THESE DOLLAR GENERAL GLASSES AND I DO APOLOGIZE. I CAN SEE REUBEN VERY WELL BUT THE LAST NAME -- YES. YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT. OKAY. IS IT -- CANDACE CLOUD? >> YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: DR. LUCENS. >> I WILL WAIT. >>JUDGE CANALES: CRYSTAL. >> I WILL WAIT AS WELL. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. SUSIE LUNA SALDANIA? >> SUSIE LUNA SALDANIA. I'M HERE AND VERY UPSET WITH YOU GUYS. IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME THAT THIS COMMISSIONERS COURT HAS BEEN SPLIT. AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT. AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU COMMISSIONER MAREZ. THE REST OF YOU HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER TO ATTACK THE JUDGE. TO ATTACK A WOMAN. AND I AM SICK AND TIRED OF WOMEN BEING ATTACKED. YOU WANT TO REMOVE HER FROM HER POSITION? IF YOU ARE WHAT YOU SAY YOU ARE BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT ELECTIONS, PEOPLE. DON'T GET IT WRONG. IT IS ALL ABOUT ELECTIONS. YOU WANT TO SET UP SO YOU CAN REMOVE ALL THE POWER AND THE ABILITY FOR THE JUDGE TO DO HER JOB, SO THAT YOU CAN SHINE. SO YOU CAN SAY, LOOK, SHE WASN'T ABLE TO COMPLETE WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO. AND THE TWO OF YOU THAT ARE LEFT UP THERE THAT CARRY ONE LABEL, ONE LABEL, BUT YOU ACT AS [00:25:01] ANOTHER. YOU DO NOT REPRESENT YOUR PEOPLE. YOU DO NOT REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED YOU TO THAT JOB BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT APPROVE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE COUNTY JUDGE. THEY WILL NOT APPROVE OF YOUR AGENDAS THAT YOU HAVE DONE NOW. HOW DARE YOU. HOW THEIR YOU COME IN HERE WITH SHEEP'S CLOTHING AND SAY ONE THING AND DO ANOTHER. YOU PUT THIS -- THE CITY DOES THIS. WELL, THE CITY DOES A LOT OF STUPID THINGS. DO YOU FOLLOW THEM? DO YOU AGREE WITH THEM ON A LOT OF THINGS? YOU DON'T. YOU DO YOUR OWN THING AND YOU ARE DOING THIS FOR POLITICAL REASONS DON'T GET MIXED UP FOR POLITICAL REASONS. THE WORST PART IS, YOU MAKE IT A POINT TO ATTACK A WOMAN EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND. WE ARE STICK AND TIRED OF WOMEN BEING ATTACKED. WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE POSITIONS YOU ARE TAKING. LIKE I SAID HOW DARE YOU. HOW DARE YOU SAY YOU ARE ONE THING AND DO ANOTHER. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE ONE PARTY, BE THAT PARTY. DON'T RUN ON ANOTHER LABEL DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH I WANT THIS FOR MY PARTY. MORE POWER TO YOU. BUT DON'T DO IT TO A POINT WHERE YOU ARE A I CANNING PEOPLE CONSTANTLY IN ORDER TO MAKE A GOOD POINT. IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CANDIDATE, LET THEM SHINE. DON'T YOU SET IT UP FOR HER. TIRED OF THIS BUSINESS. TIRED OF YOU BEING UP. THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE NEED TO KNOW THAT AND I WISH THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN BEFORE ONE OF YOU GOT ELECTED. AM I ASHAMED OF YOU? I SURE AM. I AM TIRED OF YOU DOING THESE THINGS AND I HOPE IN YOUR CONSCIOUS YOU BEGIN TO KNOW WHO ELECTED YOU AND WHO YOUR PEOPLE ARE, THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. MISS TERRY LONGORIA. SUSIE IS A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW. BUT I I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SHE SAYS. AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND A FELLOW CORPUS CHRISTIAN AND VOTER, I AM A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, DISCOURAGE D. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS HERE, BUT IF YOU ARE SO UPSET ABOUT YOUR LOCAL JUDGE, THEN WAIT FOR THE ELECTION AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. BUT TO UNDERMINE A LOT OF THIS THAT IS GOING ON IS NOT GOOD. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR ANY OF US THAT ARE WATCHING THIS. WITHOUT REALLY TRUE FACTS. LA CRONICA. CHANNEL 6 INVESTIGATE I HAVE IT NEWS. THEY CAN ONLY GO TO TSAR. LET'S BE TRUTHFUL AND I THINK THIS WEEKEND -- THIS WEEK IN HONOR OF JUDGE NO WAS AN INCLUSIVE MAN. NOT EXCLUSIVE. AND I KNEW HIM FROM THE FIRST TIME HE -- HE WAS MY INSURANCE MAN WHEN WE STARTED OUR BUSINESS. AND WHEN HE DECIDED TO RUN FOR MAYOR, HE CALLED MY HUSBAND AND I. WHAT DO YOU THINK? AVENUES REPUBLICAN. I WAS A DEMOCRAT. HE DIDN'T CARE. HE CARED ABOUT THE CITY. HE HAD A VISION WHAT WE WOULD CONTRIBUTE. WHAT WERE OUR CONCERNS AND I THINK YOU NEED TO STEPAK IN HONOR OF THE JUDGE AND THINK OF THE WAY YOU ARE HANDLING YOUR SITUATIONS. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, MISS LONGORIA. FRANCIS. >> I WILL WAIT. >>JUDGE CANALES: CONSTABLE JASON MCHACKEN. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOOD MORNING, CONSTABLE. >> PUT THAT UP THERE. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME. >>JUDGE CANALES: YEA. >> GOOD MORNING JUDGE, COMEDIES. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GOES WITH GENERAL PUBLIC BUT THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY THAT IS OUR OFFICE HAS REPORTED FOR 400 CALLS OF SERVICE FOR MENTAL HEALTH SINCE WE BEGAN. SO I THINK I AM GOING TO SPEAK WHEN MENTAL HEALTH. UP FOR CONSIDERATION CONSIDERING FOR ARPA FUNDS. WE NOW HAVE THE BACKING OF THE [00:30:10] SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND JP COURTS. I THINK IT WILL BE A FREIGHT THING FOR THE COUNTY AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THEN ON THAT MATTER SO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, CONSTABLE. I AM GOING TO SWITCH TO ONLINE JUST IN FAIRNESS AN I WILL CALL THEM THE WAY I SEE IT. MISS FUENTES FIRST FOLLOWED BY MR. MIKE DAVIS AND THEN COME BACK TO THE PIECE OF PAPER. MISS FEN WITH A TESS. IF YOU CAN UNMUTE. >> GOOD MORNING HONORABLE BARBARA CANALES AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IN ADDITION TO SERVING AS AT ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE NUECES COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM. I SERVE AS THE VOLUNTEER TO THE CORPUS CHRISTI LEADERSHIP TEAM. I AM THANKFUL TO HAVE THE BACKING FROM BOTH ENTITIES AND I WAS HONORED TO CONNECT THEM TOGETHER AS WELL. MY PUBLIC COMMENT IS ON BEHALF OF MAMI GREATER CORPUS CHRISTI AS OUR AFFILIATE LEAD HER A PRIOR COMMITMENT TO ATTEND TO. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE SUPPORT ALL FUNDING SOURCES THAT WILL PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND TREATMENT, ESPECIALLY TO THE UNDERSERVED POPULATION. WE UNDERSTAND THAT AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT OR ARPA WILL BE DISCUSSED AS PART OF DR. GONZALEZ'S PRESENTATION. WE APPEAL TO YOU TO APPROVE THE ALLOCATIONS AS REQUESTED. NOT ONLY WILL IT LEVERAGE NUECES COUNTY AS A PRIME EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW, BUT IT WILL ALSO GUARANTEE A WIN, WIN POSITION AMONG THE COUNTLESS INDIVIDUALS IN NEED OF MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE SERVICES WITH THE APPROPRIATE STAKEH STAKEHOLDERS SECONDLY WITH THE ARPA FUND IN PLACE AND COMMITMENT TO EDUCATE AND TRAIN CONSUMERS OF MENTAL HEALTH STAKE SHOULDERS THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF 2022, WE WISH TO BE PART OF THE MOVEMENT TO ELIMINATE THE STIGMA OF MENTAL HEALTH. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MAMI GREATER CORPUS CHRISTI EXPRESS THEIR APPRECIATION FOR THE SUPPORT OF JUDGE CANALES AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IN CLOSING, WE INVITE YOU TO ATTEND AND BE PART OF THE UPCOMING SUICIDE SYMPOSIUM SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 8 AND 9 AT DELMAR COLLEGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. MIKE DAVIS. AND FOR THE CLERK, I AM FILLING OUT HERE FOR YOU THOSE -- >> YES, MA'AM. WELL, I APOLOGIZE THAT I COULD NOT BE THERE TODAY. I AM IN AUSTIN TAKING CARE OF MHID BUSINESS. BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT. MY STAFF HAVE DONE AN UNBELIEVABLE JOB EXPLAINING WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY, BUT BACK IN 1965, MHR COMMUNITY CENTER OF NUECES COUNTY. WE HAVE SERVED THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 50 YEARS. WE ARE NOT A STATE AGENCY OR A COUNTY AGENCY, BUT WE ARE A UNIT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WE ARE BASICALLY A MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY, INDISABILITY AUTHORITY AND WE CONTINUE TO ASSERT THOSE GOALS AS OF TODAY. WE OFFER 30-PLUS PROGRAMS. WE ARE JOINT COMMISSION ACCREDITED. WE ARE ONLY ONE CENTER OUT OF 39. THE CENTER THAT IS ACCREDITED. AND I WILL ALSO GO BACK TO A VISION. KIND OF IRONIC THE WAY THIS MEETING FELL THIS WEEK IS JUDGE CANALES, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK AUGUST 8, 2019, I INVITED YOU, CITY COUNCIL, VARIOUS OTHER ENTITIES IN NUECES COUNTY TO GO VISIT THE HARRIS K69 DIVERSION CENTER. AND WE TOOK A TOUR OF THAT FACILITY AND WE LOOKED A VISION OF WHAT IT COULD BE IN NUECES COUNTY. AND HERE WE ARE NEARLY THREE YEARS LATER AND WE ARE STILL HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT A REALITY. TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, IF WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE MONEY TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING ON 1630 SOUTH BROWNLY WHICH IS MY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING, CURRENT FUNDING TO RUN A [00:35:05] DIVERGENT CENTER WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING COMING IN. THAT IS REALITY. IF YOU ASK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS WE OFFERED THE PAST THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR YEARS IN NUECES COUNTY AND SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE LISTED EARLIER, THE ACTUAL PROGRAM WILL PAY FOR ITSELF THREE TIMES OVER. A HUGE BENEFIT TO NUECES COUNTY, A HUGE SAVINGS, BUT ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON LIVES. THAT IS REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. RENEE TOUCHED ON THIS. OUR ORGANIZATION IS AUDITED EVERY YEAR. WE ARE EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT. THAT SINGLE AUDIT GOES TO THE COUNTY. EVERY LITTLE DOLLAR WE SPENDS. WE DON'T MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF ANYTHING. AND I THINK -- IT IS PROFOUNDLY UNIQUE WE ARE IN THIS POSITION RIGHT NOW AND OFFER THESE SERVICES, BUT I IMPLORE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS AT THIS MEETING, WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH ANYONE AND CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION TO GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, SIR. I WILL GO BACK ON TO THE LIST NOW. I BELIEVE CONNIE I HAVE TACKLED THE ONLINE. >> M. DAVIS HAS HAND RAISED AND DON'T HAVE A AUDIO CONNECTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS MIKE. WE JUST HEARD FROM HIM. I WILL MOVE ON TO MISS LINDA WHITE. AND CHIEF SHOWER, YOU WILL BE NEXT. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS LINDA WHITE. I LIVE AT 825 EGYPTIAN DRIVE. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEM 2-A-13 WHICH I FIND TO BE A BIT RIDICULOUS. I FIND IT TO BE A WASTE OF TIME THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR TRAVELING OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTY TO DO COUNTY BUSINESS, TO RECRUIT FUNDS WHICH HAVE MADE YOUR BUDGET A LOT BETTER. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY TAX BASE, BUT I AM SURE GLAD WHEN I SEE FEDERAL FUNDS COMING IN MY DIRECTION. SO I AM VERY WORRIED THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TRY TO RESTRICT THE JU JUDGES AND YOURSELVES FOR TRAVELLING TO DO COUNTY BUSINESS WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE. WE HAVE IMPORTANT ISSUES BEFORE US. MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER TO THIS COMMUNITY. AND FOR YOU TO GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO BE PETTY AND UGLY AND RESTRICT NOT ONLY THE COUNTY JUDGE BUT YOURSELVES FOR BEING THE WORK OF NUECES COUNTY AND BRINGING GRANTS IN TO DO THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DONE SEEMS RIDICULOUS TO ME AND VERY PETTY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE NEED OPEN DOOR POLICIES BOTH NATIONALLY AND STATEWIDE TO BRING THINGS TO NUECES COUNTY. OUR PORT DEPENDS ON IT. THE NAVAL AIR STATION DEPENDS ON IT. PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO GET OFF OF YOUR CANS AND BE REALISTIC. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, MISS WHITE. CHIEF MARK SHOWER. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MARK SHOWER AND I WORK WITH THE CORPUS CHRISTI POLICE DEPARTMENT. I AM THE LONGEST SERVING OFFICER IN THE DEPARTMENT. OVER 40 YEARS. I DON'T SAY THAT WITH PRIDE. THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT HAPPENED. BUT TO MAKE A POINT IN MY CAREER, I MADE WELL OVER 12,000 ARRESTS. I HAVE BEEN ON WELL OVER 300 SEARCH WARRANTS WHERE I WAS THE SUPERVISOR AND NO KNOCK WARRANTS AT THE TIME. I HAVE TAKEN INCREDIBLE RISK TO MAKE ARRESTS. I AM THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU WE NEED A PARADIGM IN POLICING. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. CAN'T JUST KEEP SENDING PEOPLE TO THE COUNTY JAIL. THERE IS NO ROOM. WE NEED ROOM FOR CRIMINALS, GANG MEMBERS, FAMILY VIOLENCE OFFENDERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE PRONE TO EXTREME VIOLENCE, INCLUDING MURDER. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IF YOU CONSIDER YOUR FAMILY AND SOME OF YOUR CLOSE FRIENDS, YOUR EXTENDED FAMILY, DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY IN THERE WHO HAS SUFFERED FROM SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER, INCLUDING ALCOHOLISM, DEPRESSION, BIPOLAR, PSYCHOSIS OR HAS ATTEMPTED SUICIDE OR COMMITTED SUICIDE. IF YOU ASK ME THIS THAT, MY EXTENDED FAMILY COUSINS AND FRIENDS, I HIT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE THINGS. SO THE SECOND QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU RATHER US AS A COMMUNITY, AS A COLLABORATION, TRY TO ADDRESS [00:40:01] THOSE PROBLEMS AS WE BECOME AWARE OF THEM AND FUNNEL THEM INTO THE SOCIAL SECTOR WHERE THEY CAN GET TREATMENT. OR WOULD YOU RATHER US WAIT UNTIL THEY FALL DOWN, SCRAPE THEM UP AND SEND THEM INTO THE COUNTY WHERE IT IS ALREADY OVERCROWDED WITH JAIL POPULATION. SO THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS. JUST TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF NUMBERS REALLY QUICKLY, WE SEND ABOUT -- WE ARE EXPECTED TO PROBABLY MAKE 13,000 ARRESTS THIS YEAR AT THE CITY. ABOUT 60% OF THOSE WILL GO TO COUNTY AND CLASS A, B AND FELONY CHARGES. OUT OF THOSE NOT PEOPLE BUT NUMBER OF CHARGES, ABOUT 3,000 OF THOSE WHO ARE CHARGED WITH POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES WHICH WILL QUALIFY FOR DIVERSION. THEY ARE POSSESSION CASES BUT NOT SCARFACE AMOUNTS. THAT IS ABOUT 7800 PEOPLE PREDICTED TO SEND TO THE COUNTY THIS YEAR. A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE CAN BE DIVERTED INTO TREATMENT BEFORE THEY REACH THE COUNTY. IT IS ALSO SAID THAT THE THREE LARGEST MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY ARE RIKERS ISLAND JAIL R, COOK COUNTY JAIL AND. THE LAST WRAP AND I GOT 20 SECONDS LEFT. WE COMMITTED 3671 PERSON FROM MAY OF LAST YEAR TO MAY OF THIS YEAR. WE HAVE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO TRY TO GET THEM INTO SERVICES, BUT WE MAKE CALLS ON A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS WHO NEED HELP AND CAN'T COMMIT THEM. WE HAVE ONE HOMELESS GUY WE ARRESTED OVER 60 TIMES IN LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF. HE HAD 87 CHARGES AND SOME OF THOSE ARE COUNTY CHARGES AND THAT MEANS HE GOES TO THE COUNTY JAIL. THANK YOU. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE DIVERSION CENTER. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, YOU SIGNED UP. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I WILL WAIT, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: TERRY MILLS FOLLOWED BY DO THE SUN LEWIS. LIKE TO GET YOU READY. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE CANALES, COMMISSIONERS CHESNEY, GONZALEZ, MAREZ AND HERNANDEZ. UNPRECEDENTED. THE PROFOUND DISRESPECT TO HONORABLE JUDGE CANALES, NUECES COUNTY MUCH JUDGE MIRRORS THE YEAR THAT SUFFERING WOMEN HAVE DURING THE YEARS ESPECIALLY AS A PRIORITY, AS OUTCASTS AND DIMINISHED. I AM ASKING YOU AS CONSTITUENT IN PRECINCT 2, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ TO RECONSIDER YOUR ACTIONS AND BUILD A BETTER LEADERSHIP OF THE JUDGE. THE ACTION OF THE COURT REFLECTS ON ALL OF YOU. BRING BACK DIGNITY, RESPECT. THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL NOT SOL RATE IT. IF YOU HAVE -- I AM SURE EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE WIVES, DAUGHTERS, AUNTS, COUSINS, SO FORTH AND SO ON WHO ARE FEMALE. THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE TREATING HER IS VERY UGLY AND VERY DISRESPECTFUL AND GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND WHETHER YOU ARE REPUBLICAN ARE OR DEMOCRAT, TO TREAT A FEMALE DISRESPECTFUL, THAT IS HORRIBLE. AND THE VOTERS REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES AT THE BALLOT BOX. YOU WANT US TO WORK WITH YOU. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, BUT IT NEEDS TO STOP. IT NEEDS TO STOP. JUST LIKE YOU ARE ELECTED TO DO A JOB, WE ARE ELECTED TO VOTE. AND WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM. BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUILD UP CORPUS CHRISTI. BUILD UP NUECES COUNTY AND NOT TEAR IT DOWN. YOU HAVE OTHER COUNTIES THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT WE DO, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO GO OUT AND GET THESE GRANTS AND BRING THEM BACK AND LIKE MRS. WHITE SAID, THE COUNTY BUDGET IS MUCH BETTER FOR THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE TO USE -- GO INTO THE RESERVE FUNDS TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE NUECES COUNTY BETTER LIKE MRS. WHITE SAID. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE DIVERSION PLAN. WE CAN TALK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH. THIS IS CRAZY. TAKE THAT TIME AND USE IT ON CONSTRUCTIVE RATHER THAN DESTRUCTIVE BECAUSE IT IS WRONG. I DON'T GIVE A DOGGONE -- I ALMOST SAID SOMETHING ELSE -- Y'ALL WATCH ME NOW. I AM NOT A PREACHER BUT I WILL SAY SOMETHING. BUT WE NEED TO LEARN TO WORK TOGETHER. THIS IS CRAZY. I AM SORRY. I KNOW EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS ON A FIRST NAME BASIS ONLY. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. IF THE OTHER COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE WORSE ISSUES. THEY HAVE A LOT OF MURDERS AND CRIMES, WE DO TOO, BUT NOT LIKE THIS. OUR CRIME RATE IS VERY LOW THANKS TO THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, BUT IF WE DON'T WORK TOGETHER, WE WILL BE LIKE A LOS [00:45:01] ANGELES. WE WILL BE LIKE A CHICAGO. THE PART OF THE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS HAVING MENTAL ISSUE, IT IS GOING TO GET WORSE. NO MONEY OUT THERE. NOBODY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. I WILL ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER WHAT YOU ARE DOING BECAUSE WHEN YOU STRIP HER OF HER POWER, IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO YOU. AND GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE CITIZENS. WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING HERE, IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE CITIZENS OF NUECES COUNTY. THE COUNTY BUSINESS HAS TO BE DONE. IT HAS TO BE DONE. AMEN. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. DATSUN LEWIS. YOU WILL WAIT FOR THE AGENDA ITEM? SOUNDS GOOD. SHEREE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK NOW? OK OKAY. >> I WROTE THIS THING UP. IF THERE ARE ANY MISTAKES -- GOOD MORNING. PART OF OUR NUECES COUNTY AND CORPUS CHRISTI. I AM A GRADUATE OF LEADERSHIP CLASS OF CORPUS CHRISTI. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT IT WAS PURE COINCIDENCE, BECAUSE I JUST KNEW I WOULD BE HERE FOR AN HOUR BUT SEEMS LIKE IT IS THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY. I AM NO EXPERT AT MENTAL HEALTH. THEY DISCOVERED WHY WE NEED THE DIVERSION CENTER, THE STAFF AND THE BENEFITS. SO MAYBE THE REASON I'M HERE I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AS I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SAME. AND SO I PRESENT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO GO THROUGH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND WANT TO TRY TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. NOW WITH THAT DESIRE AND WITH SUPPORT FROM TEN OTHER LEADERSHIP CLASSMATES, WE LAUNCHED AN INITIATIVE LAST -- MARCH OF THIS YEAR AS PART OF THE PROGRAM CALLED "CALL TO ACTION FOR MENTAL HEALTH." AND THE INTENT WAS TO BRING THE STAKEHOLDERS UNDER ONE ROOF THAT WE ACHIEVED THE OBJECT JEB I HAVE IT. OUR JAIL DIVERSION IS A HUGE MILESTONE A COMMUNITY THAT CARES OF THE QUALITY OF HEALTH OF OUR CITIZENS. A LOT OF WOULD, TO BE DONE AND ME AND MY TEAM ARE LOOKING INTO HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS USING TECHNOLOGIES AND COLLABORATING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS. BUT WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND LOOK HOW TO TRANSFORM AND ADDRESS MENTAL HEALTH. MAYBE IF WE DO THAT, WE CAN SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES TO FOLLOW A LEAD IN HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND BE THE CHANGE. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. TERRY SHAMSY. FOLLOWED BY RICK DEGAL. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. SO I WANT TO ADDRESS THE AGENDA ITEM 2-A-13. I WAS COUNTY JUDGE HERE AND I DEALT AND NEGOTIATED DEALS WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. AND MOST OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE DONE AT WORKSHOPS AND THEY WERE CIVIL IN NATURE. WE HAD OUR DIFFERENCES, BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A COMPROMISE. AND THAT IS WHAT GOVERNMENT IS, A COMPROMISE. YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU GET A PIECE OF IT. FOR JUDGE BORCHARD. FOR JUDGE BARNES. I WORKED WITH JUDGE BARNES AS ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY AND JUDGE NEAL AND MYSELF. WE NEVER HAD AN ITEM LIKE 2-A-13. ALL OF US MEN WERE NEVER RESTRICTED IN THIS MANNER. NONE OF US. NOW I AM SURE THAT THERE IS SOME PERSONAL ANIMOSITY AMONG ALL OF YOU ALL. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY TO SIT AND FIGHT WHILE GOVERNMENT BUSINESS IS NOT ADDRESSED. YOU ALL ARE MAKING $100,000 PLUS A YEAR. YOU GET RETIREMENT. YOU GET INSURANCE. YOU GET A TRAVEL BUDGET AND SOME OF YOU HAVE A GREAT SECOND JOB MAKING A WHOLE LOT MORE. YOU ARE FLUSHING CASH. THE ITEMS THAT THIS COUNTY FACES AND I SEE IT EVERY DAY. YOU HAVE A SEVERE CRISIS IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THEY ARE SO UNDERPAID, PEOPLE WON'T EVEN APPLY FOR THE JO BE. YOU HAVE A CRISIS TO THE JAIL, BECAUSE YOU WON'T PAY YOUR EMPLOYEES ENOUGH TO ATTRACT THEM. YOU NOW HAVE A CRISIS AT THE JUVENILE CENTER, BECAUSE YOU DON'T PAY THEM ENOUGH TO ATTRACT THOSE EMPLOYEES. YOU HAVE A CRISIS IN THE COURT NOW. [00:50:03] THIS WEEK, IT WAS REVEALED THAT JURORS WHILE DELIBERATING WERE AUDIO AND VIDEO RECORDED DURING THEIR DELIBERATIONS AND LAWYERS WATCHED IT. YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT CONCERN US CITIZENS. WE WANT THINGS FIXED. FIGHTING DOESN'T HELP. PERSONALITY DIFFICULTIES, I UNDERSTAND BUT ALL OF US AS CITIZENS WHETHER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, WE WANT THE SYSTEM TO FUNCTION. I AM ASKING YOU TO PUT THE DIFFERENCES ASIDE AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE AS THE HAPPEN, THE BUDGETARY ISSUES, A LIVABLE WAGE AND GOVERNMENT THAT FUNCTIONS. AND I AM NOT GOING TO CAST BLAME ON WHO IS DOING WHAT. I AM JUST ASKING YOU. I PAY MY TAXES. DO THE RIGHT THING AND DO YOUR JOB. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. RICK DEGAL. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS. I HOPE I AM NOT REDUNDANT. I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A COUNCIL MEETING FOR TWO YEARS FOR THE SAME REASON THAT A LOT OF YOU HAD AS WELL. SO I AM NOT IN THIS BOAT ALONE. BUT WE WERE IN DARKNESS, OF COURSE. WE COULDN'T GO ANYWHERE FOR A LONG TIME. AND SO, THEREFORE, I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY UNTIL TODAY TO DO SOMETHING THAT, LIKE I SAID, I HOPE -- I DON'T THINK IT HAS BEEN DONE ENOUGH -- IF IT HAS, IT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE ENOUGH. DURING THAT DARKNESS, THE FIRST FEW DAYS THAT WE WERE TOLD ABOUT THIS TERRIBLE ENEMY THAT WE COULDN'T SEE, WE COULDN'T FEEL, WE COULDN'T TOUCH. EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED, BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING AND THAT IS WHAT MADE IT SO DEPRESSING IS THAT WE GOT AN ENEMY THAT WE DON'T KNOW AND WHEN WE DON'T KNOW SOMETHING, WE GET WORRIED. I AM 80 YEARS OLD AND I SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF ANYTHING BUT LIVING ANOTHER DAY. I WAS. BUT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I WASN'T ALONE. AND OUT OF THAT DARKNESS, CAME A LIGHT. THAT LIGHT WAS IN THE FORM OF A LADY, OUR COUNTY JUDGE WAS THE PERSON THAT CAME ON THE TUBE EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT I REMEMBER DURING THAT CRISIS GIVING US INFORMATION, VALUABLE INFORMATION WHAT WE NEEDED TO BE DOING AS CITIZENS TO PROTECT US. THEN AFTER THE INFORMATION, THEN SHE WENT TO WORK. AND I KNOW SHE PROBABLY HAD HELP, BUT I KNOW SHE DID IT. SHE GOT US RESOURCES A LOT QUICKER THAN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DID. I HAVE FRIENDS ALL OVER -- ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND I WILL GUARANTEE YOU SHE GOT US RESOURCES. WE ARE USUALLY THE LAST ON THE TOTEM POLE. YOU ALL KNOW THAT. SHE DID IT. SHE BROUGHT US THOSE -- THOSE RESOURCES, NEEDED RESOURCINGS. FIRST THE TESTING. WAS OUT THERE ON THE LINE TELLING US WHERE TO GO AND HOW TO GET THERE. ASSURING US THAT WE WOULD BE SAFE GETTING THERE. THEN THE SHOTS. THEN THE BOOSTERS. SHE WAS RIGHT ON THE FRONT LINE. I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY STANDING NEXT TO HER. I SWEAR, I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY STANDING NEXT TO HER. SHE DID THIS ON HER OWN. I MEAN, I DIDN'T SEE THE MAYOR OF CORPUS CHRISTI DO MUCH. SHE WAS THERE EVERY DAY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, SHE DIDN'T ASK FOR YOUR PERMISSION. SHE JUST DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND IF YOU STAND IN FRONT OF HER AND DO NOT LET THEY ARE GO GET THE VALUABLE RESOURCES THAT WE NEED HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI OR THE VALUABLE INFORMATION THAT SHE CAN BRING BACK TO BE ABLE TO RUN AN EFFICIENT OPERATION, YOU ARE LIABLE. I BELIEVE IT. I AM NOT A LAWYER, BUT IF YOU STOP HER, I HOPE YOUR NAME IS LISTED AS THE PEOPLE WHO STOPPED HER, BECAUSE YOU ARE OF LIABLE. YOU ARE IN MY TAX POCKET. AND THAT GETS PERSONAL. THA THANKS. >>JUDGE CANALES: CHAVIS. THANK YOU, JUDGE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK TO ITEM 2A-13 WITH MUCH CONCERN. IN THE '50S, THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAVEL IN THIS COUNTY. DID YOU KNOW THAT BUT IT WASN'T THE LEADERS BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAD TO MOVE WHEN RED MACK CLOSED BECAUSE THE LEADERS WERE NOT TRAVELING AND FINDING OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. FAMILIES LEFT. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT TRAVELED AT THAT TIME. EVER SINCE THEN A MILITARY TASK [00:55:03] AND MILITARY CONCERNS. AND JUDGE BORCHARD, JUDGE RAMSEY, JUDGE CANALES HAS KEPT THAT GOING. THE YEAR 1999, 2000. STUCK HIS HEAD UP. BUT OUR LEADERS WERE READY TO TRAVEL. AND TOOK CARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CONCERNS. THEY NEED TO BE AVAILABLE. THE JUDGE NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT. IT IS ALREADY BEING REPEATED OVER AND OVER THE RESOURCES SHE BROUGHT INTO THIS COUNTY. WE HAVE A PORT DESIGNATED AS A MILITARY DEPLOYMENT PORT BECAUSE OF THAT WORK. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. IT HAPPENED IN THE YEAR 2000 UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COUNTY, THE STATE, AND THE NATIONAL, PAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO TRAVEL. THE JUDGE CANNOT BE HELD BACK TO BRING THE RESOURCES. BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE FAMILIES THAT WILL BE HURT ARE THE ONE THAT ARE GOING TO TRAVEL. AND WE MUST NOT SEE THAT. SO I'M HERE TO ASK YOU PLEASE DO NOT TIE THE HANDS OF OUR COUNTY CITIZENS. DO NOT TIE THE HANDS OF OUR JUDGE. AND DO NOT TIE YOUR OWN HANDS BECAUSE YOU ARE PART OF THE LEADERSHIP. AND THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED TO BE CONCERN WITH. THINK BACK OF ALL THE TIMES WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTY, TO THIS AREA. CORPUS CHRISTI AND NUECES COUNTY IS THE LEADER IN THE MILITARY AREA IN THIS PORT. OUT OF ALL THE PORTS IN TEXAS, CORPUS CHRISTI WAS DESIGNATED AS A MILITARY DEPLOYMENT PORT. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOES ON THERE. RIGHT NOW WE PASS BY MILITARY VEHICLES COVERED. THEY ARE BEING TRAVELED TO EUROPE. RIGHT HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI IN NUECES COUNTY. THE PORT OF NUECES COUNTY IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE 37 TENANTS ARE AT THE BASE. AND THEY CAN LEAVE ANY TIME IF OUR LEADERSHIP DOESN'T HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH WASHINGTON, AUSTIN, AND OUR OWN CITY AND COUNTY. SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WILL TRAVEL WILL BE THE FAMILIES THAT WILL HAVE TO LEAVE, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT TAKE TIME TO LEAD IN WASHINGTON OR WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO BE DONE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAVIS. THAT CONCLUDES THOSE I SEE ONLINE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, AS WELL AS THOSE HERE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. IS YOURS ON A PARTICULAR ITEM AND YOU WISH TO WAIT? >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I WILL GO AHEAD AND GO, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT. >> COMMISSIONER, SPEAK INTO THE MIC HERE. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: AS COMMISSIONER PRECINCT 1 IN NUECES COUNTY, I TOOK THE OATH TO REPRESENT THE CONSTITUTION TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY; THEREFORE, I FEEL THE NEED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE VOICED THEIR CONCERNS TO ME THAT THEY ARE STILL NOT PLEASED WITH HOW COMMISSIONERS COURT IS BEING CONDUCTED. AND THE LACK OF INFORMATION WHICH IS BEING PROVIDED TO THEM. I FEEL SINCE I TOOK THE OATH TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THIS COMMUNITY, THAT I SHOULD VOICE THEIR LATEST CONCERNS PUBLICLY WHICH IS -- AS I MENTIONEDED IN PREVIOUS PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE IS A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE BY THIS CONSTITUENTS DUE TO THE CONTINUOUS LACK OF TRANSPARENCY SINCE LAST NEWS REPORT. THEY HAVE FORMED AN OPINION THAT THIS COURT IS NOT BEING TRANSPARENT ON IMPORTANT ISSUES. I REMIND YOU ALL AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND OFFICERS OF THIS COURT, WE TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD LAWS AND POLICIES THAT WE MUST ABIDE BY. THE OATH THAT WE ALL TOOK SHOWS THE CONSTITUTION THAT IT SHALL CONSTITUENTS THAT WE HAVE THEIR BEST INTEREST. FURTHERMORE, IT IS NOT ABOUT BEING A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, IT IS SIMPLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE TAXPAYER AND THIS COMMUNITY. AND THERE IS A SAYING IN SPANISH -- -- NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE COOK IS COOKING IN THE POT EXCEPT FOR THAT COOK THAT IS STIRRING THE POT. SO I ASK YOU ALL, AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS, [01:00:05] BUT Y'ALL ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. S&P. >>JUDGE CANALES: MISS DORSEY. >> I WWOULD WARN YOU OF SAYING ANYTHING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I AM SAYING EXCESSIVE SESSION. >> ANY COMMUNICATION THAT HAPPENS IS CONFIDENTIAL. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: EXACTLY. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE. IF YOU ONLY HAD THAT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT WE ARE SAYING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THERE IS -- THERE IS NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT -- YES? JIMMY RODRIGUEZ. WHICH STITCH MINISTRIES. >> THAT -- I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF IMAGE ID. I AM CHAIRMAN OF THEIR BOARDS AND MARK HENDRICKS AND THE REST OF THE STAFF IS AMAZING. I HAVE WORKED FOR TEN YEARS AT THE STATE SCHOOL HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. THAT IS HOW I STARTED MY CAREER. IF NOT FOR MHMR BACK THEN, MY DAUGHTER CHARISMA WOULDN'T BE ALIVE. INFANT STIMULATION PROVIDED BY HMMR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT IS PERSONAL. I SERVED ON THE BOARD AND ALL THIS TIME. SHE IS 42 YEARS OLD NOW, BY THE WAY. I SPENT TEN YEARS OF SPECIAL OLYMPICS HELPING PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. THANK YOU BRENT CHESNEY FOR HELPING US RAISE EVERYONE WITH THREE-ON-THREE BASKETBALL ALL THOSE YEARS. I HAVE A HEART FOR HELPING SPECIAL NEEDS. I SPENT TEN YEARS AT THE NUECES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS THE CHIEF DEPUTY. MAN, I WISH WE WOULD HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT JAIL DIVERSION AND THE RESOURCE THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO DIVERT PEOPLE FROM GOING THERE. PACK THEN WE HAD MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUITS THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH AND SUICIDES AND THIS WAS UNTHOUGHT OF. WELL, WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THESE INITIATIVES BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN NUECES COUNTY IS A FIVE-STAR AGENCY WHO WOULD NOT REFER PEOPLE TO THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELDS. AND WE ARE SO BLESSED TO HAVE THAT. THE LAST TEN YEARS I HAVE BEEN SPEND IN MINISTRY AND OUR FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY NEED TO ALSO GET ENGAGED AND BE THE SUPPORT THAT THESE PEOPLE NEEDS. NO MATTER WHAT THE FAITH. NO MATTER WHAT FLAVOR YOU ARE, WHERE ARE WE? AND HOW CAN WE HELP. AND WE CAN HELP AND HELP THIS COURT GET FARTHER ALONG IN HELPING SUPPORT DIVERSION PRO PROGRAMS. IT JUST MAKES SENSE OR WE KEEP SPENDING MONEY AND MORE LAWSUITS. AND EARLIER THE JUDGE TALKED ABOUT THE CRISES THAT WE ARE FACING. AND THE SOLUTIONS ARE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US. SO I IMPLORE YOU TO HAVE EMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED THE HELP OR WE PAY MUCH MORE LATER IF WE DON'T. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. WE WILL MOVE -- YES, MA'AM, I AM SORRY, FRANCIS, YES. >> CAN I? >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, ABSOL ABSOLUTELY. >> HELLO THIS MORNING. I AM FRANCIS. AND I AM A VOTER HERE IN NUECES COUNTY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE -- I TRIED TO LEARN SOMETHING BY WAITING THE OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT IT, BUT I AM SURE THIS IS IMPORTANT IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH LIMITING BARBARA CANALES AND THE OFFICE. AND THE CONDUCTS OF THE OFFICE. I VOTED FOR HER LIKE KARLA SAID, ELECT ME AND IT WILL BE LIKE BEING THERE YOURSELF. AND THAT IS HOW I FELT OF BARBERIE BEING OUR COUNTY JUDGE. SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO ALL THE DETAILS OF MENTAL HEALTH AND THE CEMETERY AND THE JAIL AND ALL THESE THINGS. AND NOW I HEAR THAT SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO KEEP HER FROM FUNCTIONING IN HER OFFICE? AND I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT EXECUTIVE SESSION STANDS FOR, BUT THAT IS NOT TRANSPARENCY IF IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I GOT TO SAY THESE THINGS BEFORE THE ISSUE IS TAKEN CARE OF WITHOUT US KNOWING WHAT IT IS EVEN ABOUT. [01:05:01] SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER -- YES, I HAVE GOT YOU. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE? OKAY. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: JUDGE, I WANT TO ADDRESS -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: EXCUSE ME, MISTER. >> I VOTED FOR YOU JUDGE. I PUT UP SIGNS FOR YOU JUDGE. >> YOU NEED TO SPEAK IN THE MIC. >> YOU CAN RESPOND PUBLIC COMMENT BY STATING SIMPLE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENT, THE ADDRESS THAT YOU CAN DO IS TO ANNOUNCE THAT IT CAN BE AND SHOULD BE PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: ALL RIGHT, I WAS GOING TO INCLUDE IT ON MY STATEMENT, BUT THAT'S FINE. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER GONZ GONZALEZ. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: JUDGE -- I ALSO VOTED FOR JU JUDGE CANALES AND I WORKED 150% FOR JUDGE CANALES. AND I BELIEVED IN JUDGE CANALES WHEN RUNNING FOR COUNTY JUDGE. I HEAR PEOPLE TODAY AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN MY FRIENDS FOR LONG TIME TELLING ME, I GUESS, IT IS OKAY TO SUPPORT DEMOCRATS. IT IS OKAY TO SUPPORT REPUBLICANS. BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE. SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS NOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I RAN, I DIDN'T HEAR NOBODY COME TO THE PODIUM AND DEFEND THE FACT THAT I WAS RAKED ON THE COALS. I WAS CALLED OUT CORRUPTION AND I DID ALL THESE OTHER CRAZY THINGS AND I STOLE SOME MONEY. AND.THERE WERE FLIERS OUT THERE. I DIDN'T SEE NOBODY COME TO THE PODIUM. BUT, YOU KNOW, I RAN MY CAMPAIGN AS AN OFFICIAL. AND IT IS NOT ABOUT A FEMALE. NOT ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL FEMALE. NOT ABOUT WOMEN. THIS IS ISSUE THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT YOU GUYS DO NOT UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT HERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. THERE ARE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OF HOW THINGS ARE DONE. YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS -- 99% OF THE ITEMS HAVE TO GO TO COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR APPROVAL. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. UNLESS WE CHANGE THEM. SO THE FACT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY COMES UP HERE AND STARTS THROWING ROCKS, YOU KNOW. I KNOW THOSE OF HOW THROW THE BIGGEST ROCKS, YOU HAVE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES. YOU HAVE BEEN ON BOTH SEEDS OF THE ALLEY. SO DON'T TELL ME ABOUT BEING ON ONE SIDE AND I SHOULD BE AND BE A DEMOCRAT AND BE -- I HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT ALL MY LIFE, BUT, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE NOT. AND IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE ON BOTH SIDES. AND I DON'T BLACH BLAME YOU FOR THAT. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. IT IS ABOUT POLITICS AND RUNNING FOR OFFICE. NOT ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL FEMALE OR MALE. ABOUT RUNNING THE OFFICE THE BEST WAY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR TAXPAYER'S MUDGE AND TO CONTINUE FORWARD. WE CAN NOT LET SOMEBODY OPEN UP THE DOORS AND START RUNNING WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE WOULD BE IN A WORSE PROBLEM THAN WE ARE NOW. I DID NOT LIE WHEN I MADE THAT STATEMENT. AGAIN, THIS IS BEHIND DOORS, EXECUTIVE SESSION. THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND, WE CAN NOT TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS. SO THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT, RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, SIR. WE WILL MOVE ON TO -- WE HAVE NO MINUTES. JUST TO KIND OF REMIND YOU. REMEMBER -- OH, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE? DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ONLINE, CONNIE? DID YOU HEAR SOMETHING? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DID. >> SOMEBODY UNMUTED THEMSELVES. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT WAS JUST A MISTAKE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVE TABLE MOTIONS. IF YOU DON'T MIND. >>JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU DON'T SEE WE HAVE MINUTES OR WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE THINGS WE NORMALLY HAVE BECAUSE THIS IS SORT OF PART TWO OF LAST WEEK'S AGENDA. SO I WILL MOVE INTO TABLES AND THEN GENERAL INFORMATION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ON TABLES, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECESS FROM 12 TO 1. I HAVE A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: SPEAK INTO THE MIC. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECESS FOR 12 TO 1. THE RECESS TO NOON TO 1 SO EVERYBODY ONLINE KNOWS THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND AND IF WE DO THAT, WE WILL COME AFTER 1:00. A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR THE RECESS, SIGNIFY BY SO SAYING AYE. OKAY. AND THEN ON GENERAL INFORMATION REPORTS BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE AUDIENCE FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH PIECE, I WILL ASK MR. RAY WHO IS ON LIEN TO HOLD LOUIE, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOUR [01:10:07] SCHEDULE. >> JUDGE CANALES, I WILL BE SPEAKING. >> THANK YOU, KATHY BLATNER FOR THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM. I APPRECIATE THAT. MOVE INTO 2-A-1. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I DO THE TABLES. >>JUDGE CANALES: SORRY, YOU ASKED EARLIER. GIVE ME A SECOND XAVIER. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, I HAVE SEVERAL TABLES TO CONSIDER BASED ON NOT BEING READY AND I AM SORRY THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE HERE TODAY AND THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I WILL PARTIALLY TABLE -- OR TRY TO BECAUSE THE [8. Discuss and consider all related matters to the construction of Bob Hall Pier; discuss and consider the timeline needed to move forward regarding the construction of Bob Hall Pier and related matters.] COUNTY ATTORNEY ASKED ME SOME QUESTIONS THAT I NEED TO GET CLEARED ON. FIRST ONE IS, 2-A-8. NOTHING ON THAT ITEM. WE ARE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A LENGTHY PRESENTATION AND THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE PARKS BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO TABLE #-A-8. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND. AGAIN, SO WE KNOW ARE YOU SUBJECT THIS WILL BE ON THE 10TH. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: GO TO THE PARKS BOARD TABLE TO THE 31S. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. IF JJZ JAUJZ MOTION AND A SECOND. CALLING FOR DISCUSSION. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM. FOR CLARIFICATION. I KNOW SOME ISSUES BROUGHT UP ON THE DESIGN AND WILL THIS GIVE THE PARKS BOARD A CHANCE. I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD ON THEIR WORK. A LOT OF US HAVE HEARD ONLD RECEIVED FEEDBACK THERE ARE CONCERNS. WILL THAT BE GOING TO THE PARKS BOARD OR AT LEAST BOTH OF US. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY ARE A STATUTORY BOARD AND A COASTAL ASSET. I AM MAKING SURE THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH KIND OF WHAT IS OUT THERE AND WHAT IS GOING ON AND GET INPUT ON IT. ONE OF THE ITEMS I AM GOING TO ADDRESS WILL DEAL WITH THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU ARE TALKED ABOUT ON THE DESIGN. WE HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS ON THEM AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. JUST A MATTER OF LETTING THE PARKS BOARD HAVE TIME TO REVIEW. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFI CLARIFICATION. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CALL [13. Discuss and consider additional changes to the policies and procedures of the Nueces County Commissioners Court.] FOR THE QUESTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. YOUR NEXT ONE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, THE NEXT ONE IS A PARTIAL TABLE AND I KNOW THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS RAISED QUESTIONS THAT I NEED TO GET WITH HER ON THE REWORDING. SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF IT IS VERY CONFUSING BY THE COMMENTS TODAY THAT ARE NOT ACCURATE AND NOT THE TINT OF WHAT WAS INTENDED TO BE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE ALL OF IT, BUT NUMBERA-1 BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO DEAL WITH THAT BUT 2, #, 4, 5, 6 AND 7. A PARTIAL TABLE TO INCLUDE JUST -- SORRY, JUST NUMBER 1 ON THE PROCEDURES. >>JUDGE CANALES: AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOUR MOTION IS TO TABLE ITEM 2-A-13 AND CALL IT LITTLE 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 AND 7. EXCEPT FOR NUMBER 1. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JENNY HAD QUESTIONS THAT WERE LEGIT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GET WITH HER AND ADDRESS. WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH. IT NEEDS TO BE REWORDED BASED ON THE COMMENTS BECAUSE NOT THE INTENT OF WHAT THIS WAS. I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY HEARD THIS AND REWORK IT TO SHOW A BETTER INTENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. SO THERE IS A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? FOND DU LAC GONZALEZ I WILL SECOND IT. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FROM 2-7 ONLY. INSIDE 2-A-13. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND I AM GOING TO CALL FOR A DISCUSSION HERE. AND WHILE I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS LEGALLY VE VETTED, I THINK THIS WAS AN ATTACHMENT JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT CAME IN ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 3. SO I AM GLAD THERE IS GOING TO BE TIME -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS PART OF IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: -- TO DIGEST IT. BUT I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ITEM NUMBER 4 IS -- NEEDS TO NOT ONLY HAVE LEGAL REVIEW BUT I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SEEK THE OPINION OF JIM ALISON, BECAUSE WHEN WE SPOKE TO COUNSELOR ALISON, THAT IS CLEARLY NOT TEXAS LAW. AND ON ITEM NUMBER 5, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY SPOKE ON TODAY, THERE SHALL BE NO OUT-OF-STATE TRAVEL FOR COMMISSIONERS COURT WITHOUT COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVAL NOR ANY MEMBER OF THE COURT PAY FOR SAID TRAVEL. [01:15:02] IN THE DISCUSSION WHILE IT IS GOING TO BE TABLED, IF THE VOTE IS SUCH, I JUST WANT TO SAY I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER WORDING COULD HAVE BEEN MISINTERPRETED THERE OTHER THAN I WOULD HAVE TO SEEK YOUR APPROVAL OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS APPROVAL TO DO THE WORK THAT HAS YIELDED SO MUCH GOOD FOR THIS COUNTY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM TRYING TO TABLE IT -- IF YOU WANT TO DEBATE IT. THE POINT OF THE TABLE. THE POINT OF THE TABLE TO GO BACK -- NOT HAVE A DISCUSSION AFTER THE ROBERT RULES OR MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THE DISCUSSION. I AM TRYING TO REWORK IT WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE INTENT THAT YOU THINK IT DOES AND JENNY MADE SUGGESTIONS AND I NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DO IT. THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE TABLE. THE REASON FOR THE INTENT. IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL THESE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP I WOULD HAVE DONE IT -- I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT PUBLIC COMMENT. I MADE A MOTION TO TABLE. SECONDED OTHER THAN A-1. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND BRING IT BACK WHEN IT IS READY TO BE BROUGHT BACK. >>JUDGE CANALES: WILL YOU ALSO DISCUSS WITH JENNY DORSEY SINCE YOU ARE GOING TO BRING IT BACK ON ITEM NUMBER 7, WHICH SAYS THAT NO MEMBER OF THE COURT, INCLUDING ME, CAN SERVE ON ANY BOARD. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM GOING TO DISCUSS ALL OF THEM. THAT'S WHY I AM TABLING THEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: IN THE EFFORT OF TRANSPARENCY -- >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: 7 HAS BEEN TABLED. >>JUDGE CANALES: HAVEN'T BEEN TABLED YET. WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT. YOU KNOW WHEN JOHN ASKED THE QUESTION AFTER WE TABLED, THE HE BOB HALL PIER ONE, WE WERE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS IT. THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND SAID I AM GOING TO REWORK THEM AND GET WITH JENNY AND TRY TO TABLE THEM BECAUSE UNCLEAR WORDING. I GET IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ANY OTHERS? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, MA'AM. >> IS THERE A DATE? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL NEED TO GETS TO JENNY. >>JUDGE CANALES: AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PUT IT BACK WHEN I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. MOTION TO TABLE 14. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND. AGAIN JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE, THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS. YOU WILL BRING THEM BACK WHEN YOU ARE READY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, MA'AM. THE PRECINCT 4 ARPAAL THE CAPED FUNDS THAT EACH COMMISSIONER [15. Discuss and consider allocating all of or part of all remaining American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds for qualified projects to each commissioner and county judge in an equal amount. All projects would have to be brought back to court by each County Commissioner and County Judge for approval.] HAS. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I DON'T KNOW IF 15 WAS INTENDED TO BE ON THERE BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOT CARRIED OVER. >> IT DID. >> IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO -- I DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT IF SOMEONE WAS PUT IT ON INTENTIONALLY. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT WAS NOT. IT WAS A CARRYOVER. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CONTINUE THAT INDEFINITELY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, [1. Receive presentation regarding development of a comprehensive collaborative behavioral mental health restoration program; Discuss and consider approving an Order transferring County funds to a Mental Health account; Discuss and consider American Rescue Act Plan (ARPA) funding for mental health restoration program. ] JUDGE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOING BACK INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA, XAVIER. DR. XAVIER GONZALEZ IS HERE TO HELP US WITH 2-A-1. RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMPREHENSIVE COLLABORATIVE BEHAVIORAL MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM IS THE TITLE OF THE PRESENTATION. THERE ARE ACTION ITEMS ATTACHED TO IT. WE WILL TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME. FIRST THE PRESENTATION CONNIE. >> SOMEBODY HAD A COMMENT FOR JEREMY COLEMAN. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT. JEREMY, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME. THE MINUTE THIS ITEM IS OVER, GIVEN HIS POSITION WITH T THE NAACP, I WILL REOPEN PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT OUT OF COURTESY FOR DR. GONZALEZ SINCE HE IS AT THE PODIUM, WE WILL DO IT AFTER THIS ITEM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, QUICK QUESTION. IS THIS THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN? >>JUDGE CANALES: DR. GONZALEZ, IS THIS THE SAME PRESENTATION? >> NO. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT'S NOT, COMMISSIONER. DR. GONZALEZ, PLEASE PROCEED. >> SUMMARIZE IT INTO ONE SLIDE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM READY TO GET INTO THE MEAT OF IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: LOOKING FOR A SLIDE. YES. CAN YOU BLOW IT UP, CONNIE, TOO FOR THOSE OF US WITH CHALLENGED [01:20:01] EYES. OKAY, THAT IS FANTASTIC. >> JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU ALL TODAY. FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE WHO MAY NOT KNOW ME, ANY NAME IS DR. XAVIER GONZALEZ. I AM NUECES COUNTY DIRECTOR OF MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS. SO TODAY, THIS ITEM IS BASICALLY TO DISCUSS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, IN PARTICULAR TRYING TO IMPACT JAIL DIVERSION IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS BASICALLY AN OVERVIEW OF HOW WE -- WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US WITH REGARDS TO JAIL DIVERSION IN NUECES COUNTY AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TOWARDS. LOOKING AT THIS FIRST AND FOREMOST, JUST TO RECAP, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE LOOK AT TRYING TO GET PEOPLE GOING INTO THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM IN PARTICULAR IS BECAUSE OF MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER, WE FOLLOW THE INTERCEPT MODEL. THE MODEL ON THE VERY TOP. I HAD SOME DETAILS IN THE REPORTS THAT I PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSIONERS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO OF THE DEFINITION OF ALL THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT POINTS. INTERCEPT ZERO, 1, 2, 3 ALREADY 4, 5, 01 ARE THOSE INDIVIDUALS BEFORE THEY ENTER INTO THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. BASICALLY CATCHING PEOPLE AND GETTING THEM TREATMENT BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GET ANY DEEPER PROBLEMS THAT ARE HARD TO GET OOUT OF. WE HAVE SOME PROGRAMS THAT YOU HEARD FROM MHID AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS BACK IN 2018, THEY WERE ASKED TO DEVELOP PROGRAMS FOR JAIL DIVERSION. YOU SEE THOSE AS FAR AS THE MOBILE CRISIS UNIT, THE WALK-IN CRISIS AND THE CRISIS INTERBE VENTUAL TEAMS. WEDS SOME ONGOING THINGS TO IT UNDER DEVELOPMENT. ONE IS COMING UP WITH WAYS TO COMMUNICATE WITH -- WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE -- DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE IMPACTED OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. I SAY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS I AM TALKING ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT. I AM TALKING ABOUT HOSPITALS. I AM T PROVIDERS. HAVING DO THAT, HAVING -- USING A TELEHEALTH SYSTEM CALLED CLOUD NINE. THAT HAS BEEN -- IT IS NOW NEARLY IN -- IT IS ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING UTILIZED AND BEING EVALUATED AS TO MAKE -- TO GET SOME MORE CHECKS ON THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT WELL AND EXPAND IT -- EXPAND IT TO OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS IN FOOT THE FUTURE AND HELP IN DATA COLLECTION. HELP HAVING TO COMMUNICATE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT TODAY, THE REQUEST ARE THREE THINGS. I HAVE THEM LISTED ONE, TWO AND THREE THERE. NUMBER ONE TO CREATE A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CON SORB RUM. YOU GO BACK TO THE REPORT, THE BEST THING IS COLLABORATION. IF WE WANT THINGS TO WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE NEED ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO COME TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER. BASICALLY, YOU KNOW TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE GROUPS. YOU SEE ON THAT COMMUNITY HEALTH BEHAVIORAL CONSORTIUM. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHO WAS LEADING THE DISCUSSION WAS MHID. YOU SAW THEIR REPRESENTATIVES HERE. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COASTAL BEND WELLNESS FOUNDATION. FROM THE COUNCIL OF ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE. YOU HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM AMISTAD. FROM CENECOR AND OUR PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE. THEY ARE ALL HERE AND READY TO MOVE AND WORK TOGETHER AS FAR AS THE CONSORTIUM. TAKING THE FIRST STEP, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WAS ASKING OF THEM TO SIGN A LETTER OF INTENT TO WORK TOGETHER AND TRY TO GET US TO BUILD TOWARD JAIL DIVERSION PRACTICES THAT INCLUDE DIVERSION CENTERINGS. DIVERSION CENTERS THE ONE-STOP-SHOP WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT TAKE INDIVIDUALS TO RECEIVE TREATMENT AND KEEP THEM FROM GOING TO JAIL. NOW NUMBER TWO IS TO DEVELOP A COUNTY JAIL DIVERSION AND SUPPORT SERVICES ASSESSMENT PROGRAM. AND WHEN IT COMES TO JAIL DIVERSION, ESPECIALLY JAIL DIVERSION CENTERS AS WELL, WE NEED TO HAVE SUSTAINABILITY. THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE CREATING SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED THE COUNTY TO CONTINUE FUNDING. WELL, THE GOAL IS GOING BACK TO THIS COLLABORATION. IF YOU HAVE THESE GROUPS -- RESOURCE THAT HAVE THE THE SEVERAL CURRENT ON GOING PROGRAMS THEY CAN INCORPORATE INTO THAT, THEN THE FUNDING WILL WORK ITSELF OUT WHERE THE COUNTY IS NOT HAVING TO CONTINUALLY [01:25:02] SUPPLEMENT IN THIS LONG-TERM BASIS. BUT THAT IS WHAT THAT IS. IT IS ABOUT COLLECTING DATA, ABOUT ABOUT EVALUATING THE INFORMATION AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THIS COLLABORATION AND HOW WE CAN WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO MAINTAIN SUSTAINABILITY. AND LAST AND THIRD. BUILDING JAIL DIVERSION CAPACITY IN THE COUNTY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU HEARD THE TERM "A DIVERSION CENTER." IN NO WAY AM I RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNTY BUILD A BRAND-NEW DIVERSION CENTER ONE-STOP SHOP AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE CONTROL OF THAT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN THAT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS USE WHAT WE HAVE HERE THAT HAS BEEN WORKING. YOU ARE GOING PACK TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE -- GOT CHOSEN BECAUSE THEY -- THEY GARNERED YOUR SUPPORT IN THE PAST. THEY HAVE GARNERED SUPPORT OF GETTING FUND FROM THIS COURT AND FROM THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. SO THEY HAVE SHOWN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND WORK WELL IMPENITENTIARILY AND THE GOAL IS TO GET THE WORK EVEN BETTER. THE REQUEST THERE ON THIS NUMBER 3 IS SEEING IF WE CAN IDENTIFY SOME TYPE OF FUNDING SOURCE TO ALLOW FOR FUNDING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONCURRENT. BUILDINGS THAT THEY HAVE SO THEY CAN DEVELOP THREE KEY DIVERSIONS -- JAIL DIVERSION PROGRAMS. ONE BEING A CRISIS CARE CENTER. TWO, BEING A SOBERING CENTER. THREE HAVING TRANSITIONAL RECOVERY HOUSING. IT IS WRAP-AROUND. AND ADDING THAT TO THE SERVICES THEY HAVE WILL MAKE THIS NEARLY COMPLETE TO HAVE STANDARDS OF CARE AS FAR AS THE JAIL DIVERSION CENTERS KNOWN NATIONALLY FROM BEXAR COUNTY AND HARRIS COUNTY. THAT IS WHY I AM COMING TO YOU TODAY. THIS IS THE CORE RECOMMENDATIONS. ABOUT GETTING THE GROUPS HERE, SERVICE PROVIDERS WORKING TOGETHER. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THEM TOO. I HAVE -- I HAVE DR. BAGGERMAN. I HAVE DR. GONZALEZ WHO IS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HALE. I HAVE BILL HOSTER WHO IS THE CEO OF COASTAL BEND FOUNDATION. MIKE DAVIS THE CEO OF IMAGE ID AND CENECOR WHERE HER CEO HAS SIGNED OFF IN A LETTER OF INTENT TO WORK TOGETHER. ANOTHER THING AS OF YESTERDAY, I HAD SIX LETTER OF INTENTS FROM THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO WORK TOGETHER. THE IDEA IS JUST THAT. HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD. I AM GOING TO STOP IT THERE, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY FOR ME OR ANY OF THE SERVICE PROVIDER THAT ARE HERE, WE ARE READY TO ANSWER. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. DR. GONZALEZ, SOME OF THE PEOPLE I MARKED A W WERE WAITING. SO I AM GOING TO ASK IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS NOW AND WANTED TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT REGARD THIS AGENDA ITEM, MAYBE A GOOD TIME TO DO IT AND I WILL ASK COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. SO, AGAIN, CERTAINLY NOT FORCING YOU, BUT THOSE OF HOW HAD WS FOR COASTAL BELLED WELLNESS. ANY OF YOU WANT TO COME UP AT THIS TIME? THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY. CRYSTALING A FEW LAR. AS THEY SAY, YOU KNOW HAD YOU ARE. AND U\.S\. JUST OPINION. >> I AM THE COASTAL WELLNESS FOUNDATION. THE WELLNESS FOUNDATION HAS BEEN PART OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR 36 YEARS AND WE HAVE TACKLED MANY ISSUES THAT AT TIMES HAVE BEEN VERY CHALLENGING. I'M HERE TODAY IN SPORT OF THE DIVERSION PROGRAM. AND THE COLLABORATION THAT IS NOW BEING CREATED. WE ARE ALL THESE UNIQUE SPECIAL ORGANIZATION ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO VARIOUS RESOURCES IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNTY. WE REALLY JUST WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. AS YOU KNOW WE CONTINUOUSLY TRY TO FIND NEW PROGRAMS AND SERVICES TO COME IN. AND I THINK THIS IS THE NEXT STEP FOR OUR COUNTY. IN YOU EVER HAD ANYONE WHO HAD A SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUE OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE IN YOUR FAMILY, YOU KNOW THEY ARE INSIDIOUS DISEASES AND TAKE A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT AND ENERGY TO TRY TO MANAGE AND DEAL WITH IT. I AM PROUD OF OUR COUNTY AND SO MANY GREAT RESOURCES AND TRY TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY ISSUES. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION? >>JUDGE CANALES: BILL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HEARD MR. DAVIS SAID EARLIER IMAGE ID IF WE GAVE THEM FUNDING THIS HE WOULD RUN THE CENTER WITHOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING. OBVIOUSLY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR AGENCY AND CENECOR AND EVERYBODY IS INVOLVED IN THIS, RIGHT. [01:30:01] I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE -- EXCUSE ME -- LEFT OUT. SO WHAT IS YOUR KIND OF VISION IN HOW YOU THIS WORKS. I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY IN THE MENTAL HEALTH BUSINESS. I DON'T WANT TO SET UP ANOTHER MOUSE TRAP WHERE WE HAVE STAFF -- I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THAT IS ME. I WANT Y'ALL TO DO IT IN A MANNER. YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONALS, YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT VISION? DO YOU SEE THAT WORKING? >> WE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS AND JUST NOW KIND OF FORMULATING, AN EX-FOR MAY BE YOU CAN ABLE TO EXPRESS THIS BETTER THAN I CAN AT THIS POINT. IT IS A ONE-STOP SHOP WHERE PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT IN AND PROVIDED AN ASSESSMENT. MHID RECEIVES FUND THAT WE HAVE NOT. WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME FEDERAL FUND THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, IN ORDER TO BECOME A CERTIFIED BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CLINIC LIKE THEY ARE, IT DOES NOT FOCUS A LOT ON THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE. WE HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAM THAT WE ARE UTILIZING UNRESTRICTED FUNDS AND PIECE MEELG SEVERAL PROXIMATE, FEDERAL GRANTS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT REQUIRED ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE DOING 24-7 SOBRIETY CENTERS. THE -- I AM NOT FAMILIAR W WITH MHID AND WHAT THEIR FUNDING IS AT THAT LEVEL FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAMS. MY UNDERSTANDING MAY NOT BE PART OF THE PROGRAM FOR SCHIZOPHRENIA AND BIPOLAR. THEY ARE CERTAINLY WELL-EQUIPPED AND THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE, THEY HAVE THAT PROGRAM AS WELL. I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM. I KNOW WE ARE TALKING OF RENOVATING A BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY ON THE MHID PROPERTY AND THE COUNTY WILL NOT BE PURCHASING ANYTHING. AND I THINK THAT IS A VERY GOOD CHOICE. YOU CERTAINLY DON'T PUT A BUNCH OF MONEY INTO OWNING ANOTHER PROPERTY. AND I THINK IN THE -- WITH THIS COLLABORATION AND THE BEGINNING OF IT, WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT OUR BUDGETS AND DETERMINE WHAT WE CAN PUT IN. AND THEN BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO GET STARTED. AND THEN ALSO, WITH THAT KIND OF COLLABORATION, I THINK THE ABILITY TO GET A LOT MORE FEDERAL FUNDS FOR THE COUNTY COULD BE RATHER IMPRESSIVE. YOU KNOW, NONPROFITS DON'T ALWAYS WORK WELL TOGETHER LIKE ANY OTHER ENTITY BECAUSE YOU ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO FULFILL YOUR OWN NEEDS. BUT WITH THIS ORGANIZATION, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE, I FOUND PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY DEDICATED AND HAVE THE TRUE DESIRE TO MAKE A CHANGE. AND PART OF IT IS REMOVING PEOPLE FROM SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND TO RESIDENTIAL OR MEDICAL DEFENSE TOX. THEN WE ARE LUCKY TO HA HAVE CENECOR. I THINK THEY WILL REQUIRE SOME KIND OF FUNDING TO PROVIDE THESE BEDS PAUSE THE FUNDING FOR UNINSURED AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FUNDING FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN TO GET THEM IN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO YOU ARE ENVISIONING -- AND I AM ASSUMING OTHERS IN THE BUILDING ARE ENVISIONS SOME OPERATIONAL FUNDING REQUESTS AS WELL. MEANING NHID SAYS -- GIVE US THE MONEY FOR THE BUILDING AND WE DON'T HAVE I ANY OR COLORS FOR WHAT YOU DO. THEY ARE SAYING NOT DOING THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE. AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE DOLLARS TO BE APPEAR PARTNER, A PLAYER WITHOUT OPERATIONAL HELP FROM US. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? >> CORRECT, I THINK THE EXPANSIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM WILL REQUIRE SOME INITIAL SUPPORT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LIKE I SAID, I AM WAITING TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE SAYS TOO. BUT IF THE COURT -- THESE ARPA FUNDS. I AM ASSUMING THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ARPA FUNDS AND WE ONLY HAVE UNTIL 2026 -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM DOING IT RIGHT. 2026 TO ALLOCATE THEM. ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS WILL NOT BE FOREVER BUT KIND OF ONE OF THOSE DEALS. WE GOT THEM AS LONG AS WE GOT THEM AND OBVIOUSLY I THINK THE REHAB IS GOING TO BE A BIG CHUNK OF IT. I AM REAL INTERESTED IN KNOWING. SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE ON THE ASK ON THE OPERATIONAL FUNDING BASED ON I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND MAYBE OTHERS DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT THAT ASK IS BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE ALL INTERESTED IN THIS CONCEPT. I DON'T KNOW IF -- I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM EVERYBODY WHERE EVERYBODY IS ON HOW THEY WANT TO DO THIS. MY INTEREST IS VERY MUCH. I WANT TO GIVE IT TO YOU AND I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. SOUNDS WRONG NOT DISMISS SIEVE AT ALL. [01:35:01] I DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE WHAT YOU ALREADY ARE DOING IF WE CAN DO IT AND MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE DIVERSION CENTER IF THAT IS WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS AND PROVIDING THE OPERATIONAL FUNDS TO GET YOU STARTED AND THE COUNTY CAN SAY GO DO AND BE AT PIECE KIND OF THING. I THINK THAT IS A WIN -- A WIN IN MY PERSPECTIVE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE YOUR ASSESSMENT RIGHT AND I DON'T MEAN TO CUT EVERYBODY OUT. AND FIRST ONE HAS GOT UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: MEREDITH IS NEXT. I HAVE THE IMPRESSION, MEREDITH, IF YOU WILL YIELD, THAT MARK HENDRICKS MAYBE WANTS TO ADD TO THE ANSWER. HIS HAND SHOT UP THE MINUTE YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. MEREDITH, IF IT IS ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, I WILL TRANSITION TO MARK AND GO BACK TO YOU, MEREDITH. I AM GUESSING MARK. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE DON'T LET MEAN IMPEDE YOU. I GOT THE IMPRESSION -- >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT YOU WANTED TO VISIT. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? >>JUDGE CANALES: A LITTLE LOUDER. IF YOU CAN JUST GO A LITTLE LOUDER. >> OKAY. IS THIS BETTER? >>JUDGE CANALES: MUCH BETTER. >> SORRY I COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON TODAY. I AM OVER IN HOUSTON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION IN ALLOWING ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THIS. I THINK JUST TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION TO WHAT MR. HOLSTER AND HIS ORGANIZATION WAS STATING AND PROVIDED CONTEXT TO OUR STATEMENT WHERE IT RELATES TO EXISTING FUNDING BEING ADEQUATE. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE SAYING WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OUR EXISTING OPERATIONS AND HOW WE ARE FUNDED TO OPERATE THESE PROGRAMS, THE CREATION AND OPERATION OF A DIVERSION CENTER. A, THE NEED IS THERE TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING. THE OPERATIONAL FUNDING BASED ON THE TOTALITY OF THE PROGRAM WE ALREADY OPERATE THAT IS FUNDED THROUGH THE DISTRICT, AS WELL AS FUND THAT WE ALREADY RECEIVE THROUGH HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO -- TO COVER THOSE OPERATIONAL COSTS WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL ASK FOR THOSE OPERATIONAL COSTS AS IT RELATES TO THE SUBSTANCE PIECE WITHIN DR. GONZALEZ'S PRESENTATION. YOU ARE SEEING MULTIPLE ELEMENTS THAT GO BEYOND THE DIVERSION CENTER ITSELF. YOU HAVE THE THREE CORE THAT HE IS REFERRING TO AS A CRISIS CARE CENTER WHICH IS THE DIVERSION CENTER FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER. THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE TO OPERATE DIVERSIONARY ACTIVITIES WITHIN THAT DIVERSION CENTER CONCEPT FOR ISSUE RELATED TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE. IT WILL BE THINGS LIKE HAVING SOBERING -- MR. HOLSTRA IS DI TAX SERVICES. WE ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY CONTRACTED WITH CENECOR WITH THAT. COASTAL BED WELLNESS WILL PLAY AN ADDITIONAL ROLE IN THAT CONCEPT AND THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL AND DETOX SERVICES IS ALREADY THERE AND UNDER THE SAME ROOF UN UNDER CENECOR'S ROOF. SO BRINGING THAT BACK IS -- YES, IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT ON EACH OF OUR AGENCIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT EXACTLY THIS IS LOOKING LIKE. AND AND THE DIVERSION CENTERS ARE THE HUB THAT PEOPLE ACCESS THESE SERVICES. THE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. AND TRADITIONAL HOUSING. THOSE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THERE AND THEY COULD BE. THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING COURSE FOR LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. BUT AS IT RELATES FOR THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND DETOX SERVICES, THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. SO. I AM MIS INTERPRETING OR MISSPOKEN, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CLARIFY PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I WANTED THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE WITH CURRENT FUNDING. ABOUT CONSOLIDATING THE ACTIVITIES AND THE PROGRAMMING UNDER ONE ROOF. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HOPE THAT HELPS. I AM GOING TO CONTINUE JUST TO KEEP THE BALL ROLLING AND KEEP ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS IN THIS DISCUSSION. THAT WAS VERY -- A GOOD SYNOPSIS. MEREDITH, WELCOME. >>. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANT TO REITERATE AND JUST WANT TO SHOW SUPPORT THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. AND IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT TO LEVERAGE RESOURCES. [01:40:04] IT IS NOT OFTEN THAT WE ARE ALL ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. FOR THOSE OF US WORKING FRONT LINE, WE SEE IT DAY AND DAY AND DAY. ALL OF THESE AGENCIES. ALL OF THESE ENTITIES DO AMAZING WORK, BUT WE ARE BETTER WHEN WE ARE TOGETHER. IF WE ARE ABLE TO SERVE INDIVIDUALS OF NUECES COUNTY THAT NEED IT AND ALSO HELP TO PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO OUR JAIL, I AM JUST ASKING YOU ALL TO PLEASE LOOK AT IT VERY CAREFULLY AND TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER IT. BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT K7 NUECES NEEDS. AS I SAID WITH ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER WE CAN ACCOMPLISH GREAT THINGS AND TAKES ALL OF US AT THE TABLE. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR DISCUSS THIS, FOR THINKING ABOUT THIS. AND FOR REALLY CONSIDERING MAKING A HUGE IMPACT FOR THE CITIZENS OF NUECES COUNTY. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. CRYSTAL. >> HI, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY -- I AM CRYSTAL AGUILAR. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW I AM THE DIRECTOR FOR CENECO, R, 3R50E6LY CHARLIE'S PLACE. CENECOR WAS BEEN AROUND 55 YEARS. I SAID WE SERVE 2505 CLIENTS. THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE -- AND IT WAS PROJECTED THAT COVID TOOK AN IMPACT ON THAT. AND WE WERE PROJECTING THAT WE WERE GOING TO SURPASS THAT AND SERVE ABOUT 2150 -- THOSE REPORT JEKSS. WE ENDED WITH SERVING 2425 CLIENTS. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE SERVE THE SURROUNDING 11 COUNTIES. BUT I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE HIGHEST REFERRALS ZIP CODE IS 78408. THE HIGHEST REFERRALS CITY IS CORPUS CHRISTI. NOW I -- I WANT TO JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT I RECENTLY WORKED ON GETTING SOMEBODY OUT OF JAIL. I WORKED ON IT SINCE JANUARY FROM ALABAMA. HE IS NOW IN OUR FACILITY. I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL PARTNERS. I -- I DON'T DO ANYTHING SPECIAL, I DODON'T I WANT BE AB TO DO WHAT I DO WITHOUT THIS COLLABORATION WITH EVERYBODY, WITHOUT YOUR HELP. BUT PARTICULARLY WITHOUT THIS COLLABORATION. BECAUSE WE ARE STARTING TO SEE AN INCREASE OF NOT ONLY SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND FENTANYL IS ATTRIBUTING TO THAT WHICH I WILL TOUCH BASE ON IN A SECOND, BUT ALSO MENTAL HEALTH. AND COVID-19 TOOK A BIG IMPACT ON THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE AT HOME. AND THEY WERE USING. AND THEY WERE DRINKING. AND NOW WE DON'T KNOW IF IT IS MENTAL HEALTH THAT IS SUBSTANCE ABUSE RELATED. OR JUST MENTAL HEALTH ALONE. BUT NOW WE HAVE FENTANYL. AND THERE IS ORDINARY DRUGS THAT ARE BEING LACED WITH FENTANYL. AND PEOPLE ARE DETOXING OR WITHDRAWING REALLY HARD AND THEY ARE NOT WANTING TO STAY IN TREATMENT. THEY ARE WANTING TO GO OUT AND USE. AND MARIJUANA. THE AVERAGE MARIJUANA. THE REGULAR POTS. DEALERS ARE LACE THAT WITH FENTANYL. AND THEY ARE PRODUCING PILLS ON THE STREET WITH FENTANYL. METHAMPHETAMINE IS BEING LACED WITH FENTANYL. AND PEOPLE ARE NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE TAKING. AND PEOPLE ARE DYING. SO I SUPPORT THE DIVERGENT CENTER, THE PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE DO. I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I DO WITHOUT THIS SUPPORT. AND IT IS NOT GOING TO STOP. AND WE NEED TO HELP. SO WE WANT TO -- I WANT TO ASK YOU TO ASSIST IN TAKING THE BURDEN OFF THE OVERCROWDING OF JAILS, THE HOSPITALS AND THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO DO THAT WITH YOUR HELP. SO THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: LOOKING OVER -- I FEEL LIKE THERE IS AT LEAST MAYBE THREE MORE FOR THIS SUBJECT MATTER. PLEASE, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I WOULD LIKE TO YOU HANDSEL IT. >> JUDGES, COMMISSIONERS, I AM REUBEN AND WITH THE COUNCIL OF ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE. I HAVE BEEN WITH THE COUNCIL SINCE 2015, NOVEMBER OF 2015. AND SO I AM A PERSON IN LONG-TERM RECOVERY. [01:45:05] I WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTO TREATMENT THROUGH CHARLIE'S PLACE BACK IN 2012. THERE WAS SOME REOCCURRENCES. I GUESS IN THE STAGES OF CHANGE, THERE WAS A LACK OF SERVICES FOR ME AND THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT OF THE STAGE OF CHANGE. THEREFORE, I -- I FELL THROUGHOUT CRACKS AT THAT POINT. AND I KNEW THE SEED WAS PLANTED AND I CAME PACK TO WHERE I KNEW I WOULD GET THE HELP THAT I NEEDED. IN 2015, I CAME BACK, WENT BACK TO TREATMENT, STAYED IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND I HAVE BEEN CLEAN AND SOBER SINCE THEN. I HAVE GONE BACK TO SCHOOL WITH THE HELP OF COMMISSIONER JAG. I WAS ABLE TO ENROLL IN COLLEGE WHERE I AM STILL ENROLLED AND DOING VERY WELL. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE DIVERSION CENTER FOR SEVERAL REASONS. I THINK THAT IN 1985 IF I WAS TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF RESOURCE, THE SUICIDAL ATTEMPT OF MY FATHER WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. I SPEAK ON THAT BECAUSE IN 2011, WE -- OUR FAMILY HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. WE ALSO LOST MY BROTHER TO AN ATTEMPTED SUICIDE THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL. SO REMINDS ME WHEN WE NETWORK. I THINK THAT I ASK THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE JUDGE TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE FUNDING COMPONENT SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY DOING THIS WORK CAN HAVE A BETTER CHANCE TO TOMORROW TOGETHER AS A VILLAGE AND PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, REUBEN. INTEREST LUCENS. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT. A LITTLE ABOUT ME AND WHO I REPRESENT. I AM PRESIDENT OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI MEDICAL CENTER STAFF. CHAIR CHAIRPERSON OF PSYCHIATRY AT KRISTA SPANN. AND MEDICAL DIRECTORS AND CHAIRPERSON AT BAYVIEW BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL. FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I AM THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CHAIRPERSON. I DO FORENSIC CONTRACT WORK WITH NHID AND I WORKED AS A PSYCHIATRIST IN OUR JAIL. AT THIS TIME, I OWN THE LARGEST BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PRIVATE PRACTICE IN CORPUS CHRISTI WITH NURSE PRACTITIONS AND PSYCHIATRISTS INCLUDING CHILDS PSYCHOLOGY. CURRENTLY I DO ROUNDS AT MEMORIAL AND BAYVIEW AND I AM WELL AWARE OF THE CRISIS AND THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND WORSENED SINCE THE PANDEMIC. I COME HERE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE THREE PROPOSALS. INCREASE OF JAIL DIVERSION CAPACITY THROUGH PROGRAMS THAT MHID. I WORKED WITH MHID THROUGH OUR JAIL DIVERSION AND MOVED PEOPLE OUT OF OUR JAILS. ALSO DEVELOPED A DIVERSION CENTER. FULLY, ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS PAUSE IT WILL BE A COLLABORATION THAT WILL SUPPORT NOT JUST -- WE ARE TALKING JUST ABOUT THE NEEDS OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE BUT WELLNESS NEEDS FOR OUR CITIZENS OUT THERE AMISTAD PROVIDING SUPPORT. AND MHID SUPPORTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WHEN WE MOVE PATIENTS FROM THE HOSPITAL, WE HAVE THE SHELTERS AND WE HAVE PATHWAYS AND INDISP INDISPENSABLE. THE EXPANSION OF THESE PROGRAMS AND FOR THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO MOVE TO DIFFERENT STEP-DOWNS IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. NOW ALSO, THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CONSORTIUM. WHEN I MOVED HERE NINE YEARS AGO, MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE. SHE IS FROM CORPUS CHRISTI. SHE IS A OBGYN. WE DECIDED TO HAVE CHILDREN. WHEN I FIRST CAME, IT WAS A FRACTURED BEHAVIORAL HEALTH UNIT. MANY DOCTORS NOT TALKING. CEO FROM SPANN AND CORPUS CHRISTI BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. THEY DIDN'T WORK TOGETHER. ONE OF THE PRESENTATION WAS ON SUPER OUTIZERS THAT BOUNCED BETWEEN THE ERS. [01:50:05] HARSHLY AT TIME REFER TO AS FREQUENT FLYERS AND THESE PEOPLE NEED THE HELP AND NO COMMUNICATION. HOWEVER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE HAVE SEEN ERIC EVANS AND DR. BLOW. WE HAVE SEEN THEM SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY MAKE PLANS. OCEANS HEALTH CARE CAME IN WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF DR. BLOW AND MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE AND WILL MAKE MORE OF A DIFFERENCE WHEN WE MOVE TO 42 BEDS ON SHORELINE INCREASING THE CAPACITY HOWEVER I WANT TO STRESS NOT A PSYCHIATRIC BED CAPACITY ISSUE LIKE WE LOOKED AT WITH THE MET DOES REPORT BEFORE. NOT JUST ABOUT BEDS. BUT APROP YANTNESS OF WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD BE MOVED. BECAUSE WE HAVE PLENTY OF BEDS AT THE COUNTY JAIL WHERE THE MOST PSYCHE PATIENTS ARE. NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE AND WE ALL KNOW THAT. THEY EXPECT GET THE CARE THAT THEY NEED NOW. WE HAVE GREAT PSYCHIATRISTS AND NURSE PRACTITIONERS. THERE ARE TOO MANY AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE. NOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST HAD A MEETING WITH ARE OUR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS AND THIS THAT'S WHERE I SEE IT HELPING THE MOST. OUR ER DOSHLTERS, OUR NURSING STAFF. THEY ARE QUITTING. THEY CAN'T KEEP WORKING UNDER THESE CONDITIONS AND OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PATIENTS ARE SIT IN CHAIRS WAITING ON DAYS WITH EMERGENCY DETENTION WARRANTS WELL-PLACED BY THE POLICE WITH GOOD MEANING BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THESE PEOPLE HELP THE DIVERSION CENTER AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE. YOU ALL ASK ARE WE JUST REDOING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. ARE WE CREATING MORE PSYCHE BEDS, CREATING MORE SERVICES. HIS OR HER ARE WE SPENDING MORE MONEY TO DO WHAT WE ALREADY DO? THE ANSWER IS NO. MORE SPECIALIZED PROGRAMS AND SPECIALIZED WITHIN THESE GROUPS OF WHAT WE BRING. IMAGE ID DOES WHAT THEY DO AND THIS DOE IT WELL. COASTAL BEND NUECES WELLNESS DOES WHAT THEY DO. THEY MHID DOES THE FUNDING HA WHAT THEY DO ALREADY. COASTAL BEND HAS THE GRANT TO DO WHAT THEY DO. AMISTAD, AND THERE WILL BE MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE WILL BE MONEY FOR OPERATIONS, WITHOUT A DOUBT BECAUSE IT IS STARTING UP; HOWEVER, IF ANY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS CAN DO IT ON THEIR OWN INCLUDING PSYCHE HOSPITALS, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. OPERATIONALLY AND OR FUNDING WISE. I STRESS, THE DIVERSION CENTER IS WHERE WE ARE GOING BUT THE COLLABORATION AND THE CREATION OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SO WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU IN A YEAR AND SAY WE MADE A DIFFERENCE. OR YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, GUYS, YOU ARE NOT DOING WHAT WE ASKED YOU TO DO. THERE HAS TO BE THREE PARTS. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. JUST IN COMPLETENESS, I AM GOING TO ASK, DID I MISS EVERYBODY? CANDACE -- I THOUGHT MAYBE. AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY BUT THANK YOU, CANDACE FOR WAITING PATIENTLY. >> I AM CAN A KRCE CLOSE. AND LEADING I'M HERE TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE DIVERGENT CENTER. I WORK WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER AND RECOVERY PROCESS FOR PEOPLE. I KNOW THAT I HAVE A LOT OF PARTICIPANTS THAT ARE CO-OCCURRING WHICH MEAN THEY SUFFER FROM MENTAL HEALTH AS WELL AS SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER SI DO BELIEVE I CAN GIVE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF PARTICIPANTS THAT THE DIVERGENT CENTER HAVE ABSOLUTELY BENEFITED. I HAVE A PARTICULAR WOMAN TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE. AS LONG AS SHE IS ON HER MEDICATIONS, SHE IS GOOD. BUT ONCE SHE STOPS TAKING HER MEDICATIONS FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHETHER SHE LOST THEM OR THEY WERE STOLEN, I DO KNOW SHE THEN TURNS TO SUBSTANCES TO SELF-MEDICATE. I BELIEVE -- SHE HAS BEEN ARRESTED NUMEROUS TIMES AND HAVE BEEN IN COUNTY JAIL I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES. OPINIONED I BELIEVE THAT A DIVERGENT SENT WEAR HAVE HELPED HER WITH WHAT SHE NEEDED. I AM IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. I WILL TURN TO YOU FOR THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, DR. XAVIER IS OBVIOUSLY STANDING BY. I THINK THAT -- IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING AS THEY SAY THE OBVIOUS QUESTION. DR. GONZALEZ, THERE IS AN ASK. AND THAT ASK HAS A DOLLAR. FOR THE PURPOSE OF OPENNESS, WILL YOU TELL US WHAT THAT ASK IS, AND JUST ASK IS YOU TO HOLD THERE FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS STAFF BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS OUT. IT WAS SAID BRIEFLY AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET OUT RIGHT NO [01:55:04] NOW. >> CONNIE, IF YOU CAN SWITCH THE NEXT SLIDE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I HAVE SOME VIEWS ON THE ASK. THE QUESTION WAS. WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT HERE IS BASICALLY A TABLE THAT BREAKS DOWN THE COMPONENTS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED TO BE FUNDED BOTH FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE COST AND OPERATIONAL COST. IN PARTICULAR. DISCUSSING ARPA FUNDS IS INFRASTRUCTURE COST. 3.5 MILLION FOR THE CRISIS CARE CENTER. ABOUT.3 FOR SOBERING CENTER AND THE NEXT ONE THAT IS MENTIONED 3.5 FOR TRANSITIONAL RECOVERY HOUSING. EACH OF THEM HAS A PURPOSE. WE KNOW WHEN THINKING OF CRISIS. THINKING OF THOSE OF MENTAL HEALTH CRY CITIES. THINKING OF THOSE THAT SHUFFLE THROUGH THE DETENTION CENTER ON A FREQUENT BASIS FOR PUBLIC INTOXICATION. HAVING A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO AS WELL. THE ASK IS HOW THIS GET TO THE COMPONENT. AND WE ARE NO THE ASKING FOR THAT FOR ARPA FUND AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES BUT AS FAR AS OPERATIONAL COSTS. IT GOT MENTIONED WITH MHID THAT THEY HAD THE FUNDING WHAT THEY WOULD BE DO CURRENTLY AT THE CRISIS CARE CENTER. THAT IS FUNDING PROVIDED THROUGH THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. INCORPORATE A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS AND DOING IT INTO THE CENTER. OPERATING COST FOR THE OWNER ISSING CENTER WILL BE 1.4. AND THE OTHER ONE FOR 1.5. THE NUMBERS ON THE OPERATIONAL COST. THE REASON IT IS VERY SPECIFIC IS YEAR ONE IS BECAUSE IT -- THIS IS THE IDEA. IF EACH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS CAME IN AND WORKED INDEPENDENTLY WITHOUT LEVERAGING RESOURCES AND HOW TO LEVERAGE FUNDING SOURCES THAT IS WHAT THAT OPERATIONAL COST WILL BE. THE IDEA THOUGH IS TO COME BACK AND CIRCLE AROUND AND FIND OUT, OKAY, WHAT ARE THOSE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE. AND HOW MUCH -- HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN FUND THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE IS TO LEVERAGE AND BRING DOWN OPERATIONAL COSTS SO MOVE FORWARD AND EVENTUALLY GET TO THAT POINT WHERE IT IS COMPLETELY SUSTAINABLE. WHERE ARPA IS LISTED. AND PORTION OF THAT EVER 3.5. AN ASTERISK. THE ASK BY CENECOR IF THE COUNTY CAN HELP THEM GET TO THAT AMOUNT, THEY COULD MATCH IT AND RENOVATE WELL TO HAVE THE EXPANSION BEDS. >>JUDGE CANALES: COULD I ASK YOU TO FURTHER -- IF I ADD UP EVERYTHING FROM ARPA SINCE YOU DON'T SPECIFY IT. IS THAT WHERE THE $5 COMES? >> THAT'S WHERE THE $5 MILLION COMES. >>JUDGE CANALES: 3.5.3. AND THEN THE REMAINDER TO GET TO THE FIVE IS FROM ARPA? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM NOT CLEAR TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT MR. DAVID PUT FORWARD IF WE REDID THAT BUILDING, THEY COULD RUN THE DIVERSION CENTER AND WHERE IS THAT IN HERE BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THESE THINGS HERE. WHAT THEY ARE REFERRING TO IS THAT CRISIS CARE CENTER. THAT'S HOW IT IS DEFINED THERE. THAT ALL THE SERVICES THAT THEY WILL BE PROVIDING THERE. THEY ALREADY HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I HIGHLIGHT -- ONE OF THOSE FUNDING SOURCES BEING THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMES FROM THERE. THE 1.9 IS ALREADY FUNDED, DR. GONZALEZ. >>JUDGE CANALES: ARE ANY OF THESE THREE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THE BUILDING THAT MR. DAVIS WAS TALKING ABOUT? >> THE BUILDING HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THE 3.5. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE -- WHAT ARE YOU -- WHAT IS -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE CRISIS CARE CENTER. AND SOBERING IS ANOTHER ACROSS THEIR PARKING LOT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHO DOES? >> MHID. FOR TRANSITIONAL THAT I IS CENECOR'S FACILITIES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE VISUAL? MAYBE THAT IS HELPFUL. >> IF NO THE ON THIS ONE, THE PACKAGE. [02:00:01] >>JUDGE CANALES: PART OF WHY YOU ARE PACKET. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING, IT IS IN WHY YOU ARE PACKET. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD TOO. MAYBE WHAT MR. HENDRICKS WAS SAYING -- I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE NEED TO DO TWO FACILITIES. I UNDERSTAND NEEDING TO DO ONE FACILITY AND CO-OPING PEOPLE AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS -- AND FUNDING OPERATIONAL. BUT I AM TRYING TO GET TO WHY WE WILL NEED TO DO TWO FACILITIES. IF I THOUGHT MR. HENDRICKS SAID THERE WAS A PIECE IN THEIRS THAT ALSO DID THE -- THE -- MY GOSH, I CAN'T THINK WHAT JUVENLGZ JUDGE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SUBSTANCE ABUSE. >> WHAT THEY ARE REFERRING TO IS HAVING SOBERING BEDS. AND WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF A SOBERING CENTER MORE THAN HAVING SOBERING BEDS. TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT COULD COME IN UNDER TWO DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. THEY ARE COMING IN BECAUSE OF ALCOHOL. THEY ARE UNDER THE USE OF ALCOHOL OR UNUSE OF SOME TYPE OF STIMULANT. THOSE WILL BE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU PROVIDE CARE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I UNDERSTAND. WHY DO WE NEED TWO FACILITIES. MR. HENDRICKS' PRESENTATION AND MR. DAVIS. WE CAN MAKE IT WORK IN ONE FACILITY -- MAKE I MISUNDERSTOOD IT, THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING. DO IT IN ONE FACILITY AND HELP EVERYBODY WITH THEIR PROGRAMS. AM I HEARING THAT RIGHT? >> EVERYTHING IS THERE WITH THEIR SITE. TO SHOW YOU A VISUAL TO BE LOOKING AT THAT SLIDE. IT IS STILL THEIR ONE FACILITY, THEIR ONE-STOP-SHOP IS THERE. WHAT THEY ARE SAYING THEIR CRISIS CARE CENTER WILL BE THE WHERE PEOPLE WILL DROP YOU OFF. ACROSS THE PARKING LOT IS AN INDIV INDIVIDUAL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET ME TELL YOU IT COULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. MAYBE REHAB THE CENECOR FACILITY -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: COMMISSIONER, YOU NEED TO GET THE SLIDE. FORGIVE ME, BUT THE SLIDE IS VERY HELPFUL IF WE CAN FINDS IT. IT IS IN OUR POCKETS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, HE IS COMBINING TWO ARPA REQUESTS IN ONE SLIDE. CENECOR IS TRANSITIONAL HOUSE WHERE PEOPLE CAN STAY FOR MONTHS OF A TIME. DIVERSION CENTER MAY STAY THERE FOR THREE TO FIVE DAYS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF THESE ARE -- >> I WAS TELLING HER THAT IS NOT THE SLIDE. . >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ARPA REQUESTS WE NEED TO TREAT THEM AS SUCH. I AM GETTING A LITTLE -- CONFUSED. >> I BROKE IT UP IN THIS MANNER AS FAR AS TO ALLOW FOR DETERMINATION OF WHAT -- HOW FAR -- HOW FAR CAN WE GET. IF WE CAN JUST FUND THE CRISIS CARE CENTER, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IF WE CAN ADD THAT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT WITH THE SOBERING CENTER, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT IS IT WHY IT IS BROKEN UP THIS WAY WHERE YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE FOR FUNDING. IF WE CAN FUND IT ALL, PERFECT. AT LEAST IF WE CAN'T, SUPPORT ONE OF THE AREAS HERE. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CAN I SAY SOMETHING. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SURE. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU SAID YOU HAD THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IN REFERENCE TO -- >> IN REFERENCE TO THE CURRENT FUNDING THEY ARE PROVIDING FOR CRISIS CARE, YES. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CRISIS CARE. THAT IS FOR THE 3.5? >>JUDGE CANALES: NO, SIR. >> WE ARE TALKING OF OPERATIONAL COSTS. THEY ARE ALREADY PROVIDING THOSE OPERATIONAL COSTS, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: FOR THE ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS OR WHAT. >> THIS -- THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONTRACT NOW GOING INTO YEAR TWO. IT WOULD CONTINUE THAT CONTRACT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: OF COURSE YOU AND I HAVE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ON THIS, DOCTOR. I SUPPORT THIS 150%. BUT I ALWAYS -- WHEN I SEE THE DIVERSION, WE SAY RESTORATION, RIGHT. BECAUSE MY DREAM IS TO HAVE BOTH EVENTUALLY, RIGHT. CAN'T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAY THAT AGAIN. >> DIVERSION AND RESTORATION. WE WENT TO SAN ANTONIO, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE WALKED IT. AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS THAT WE WALKED. AND WE SAW HOW THE PROCESS WAS WHERE A POLICE OFFICER WOULD DROP OFF SOMEBODY AND SECTION OF A ONE-STOP SHOP. THIS IS WHAT I ENVISION RIGHT NOW THAT THE COUNTY. MENTAL HEALTH SHURPT BE UNDER THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS. THEY ARE AND THEY DO A GREAT [02:05:03] JOB. IMAGE ID HAS A GOOD CONCEPT AND I THINK THE CONCEPT OF BUILDING THAT CRISIS CENTER TO START OFF WITH MIGHT BE A GOOD STEP. OUR JOB WILL PROBABLY BE TO PROVIDE SOME FUNDS AT THE BEGINNING TO SEE. BUT I -- I ENVISION THE FACT THAT THAT CENTER OR THE -- OR THE RESTORATION THAT I SEE OR COMBINED BOTH OR NOT -- I AM NOT STILL SURE HOW WE ARE -- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO CALL IT. I JUST DON'T WANT JAIL DIVERSION. I WANT A RESTORATION CENTER THAT IS A ONE-STOP SHOP. AND I -- AND I KIND OF ARE GIVING YOU MY CONCEPT OF -- YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN THERE SHOULD BE A SPACE THERE FOR COASTAL BEND COUNCIL TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WILL PROVIDE THE SERVICES. WE ARE THERE, RIGHT. AND THERE IS DRUG AND ALCOHOL. OKAY, NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO THE NEXT ONE -- THE NEXT LEVEL OR THE NEXT STEP. AND EVERYBODY WILL BE DOING THEIR SERVICES. AND DOING THEIR OWN OPERATIONS, RIGHT. SO -- AND AT ONE POINT, THERE WILL BE THE MENTAL HEALTH. AND I WOULDN'T GO ON THIS WITHOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH. AS I EXPLAINED TO YOU, THE MENTAL HEALTH IS GOING TO BE MENTAL HEALTH WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO PROVIDE THE EXTENSIVE MENTAL HEALTH THAT WE NEED. TO PUT BACK IN THE COMMUNITY AND HOPEFULLY FUNCTION LIKE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION WITH CONTINUED TREATMENT. NOW YENECOR HAVE BEEN OPEN TO RECEIVE PEOPLE AND TECH THEM ON A LONG-TERM BASIS. THE REFERRALS HAVE TO COME PROBABLY FROM THAT -- FROM THAT COMPONENT. FROM THE RESTORATION CENTER, THE JAIL DIVERGENT CENTER, WHATEVER IT IS. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE CONCEPT OF SAYING ALL WE ARE WORKING WITH IS THE DIVERGENT. YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD AND SAYING WE DIDN'T TALK OF THE DIVERGENT CENTER. I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE TABLE WITH IMAGE ID. HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THIS AND IF YOU CAN SHOW THE COMPONENTS OF HOW EVERYBODY IS GOING TO OPERATE. WHERE DOES AMISTAD COME IN. WHAT ARE THEY BRINGING TO THE TABLE. YOU KNOW. AND BOTH OF THEM. TWO AGENCIES ARE DOING THE SAME THING AND MIGHT HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE OVERFLOW. AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE HEADED THAT DIRECTION. OUR JOB -- OUR -- OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS GOING TO BE THE FINANCE. HOW MUCH CAN WE PUT OUT. HOW MUCH CAN WE GIVE START MONEY. HOW MUCH -- BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE ARE HURTING TO, YOU KNOW. AND THIS IS WHY I AM THINKING WE CAN'T -- THE COUNTY -- WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES. WE DON'T HAVE THE FINANCES TO TAKE OVER MENTAL HEALTH AND WE SHOULDN'T. WITH ALL THE PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT WE DO AND DO GREAT, IT HAS GOT TO COME FROM YOU GUYS. GOT TO COME FROM YOU. BUT WE GOT TO HELP YOU AT ONE POINT. HOW DO WE GET STARTED. MAYBE THE CRISIS CENTER IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET STARTED AND WE GROW FROM THERE. IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. >> YOU KNOW THE REPORT THAT I SENT TO YOU ALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. .3 AND HOW THEY WILL WORK TOGETHER DELINEATED THERE TOO THAT THEM -- GIVING THEM SOME TIME TO REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW THOSE OPERATIONS WILL WORK IN CONJUNCTION TOGETHER. AT THIS POINT, THOUGH, WE WERE MAKING SURE THERE WAS FUNDING EAR MARKED TO MOVE FORWARD KNOWING THAT THERE WAS SOME FUNDING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO OCCUR. >>JUDGE CANALES: DR. GONZALEZ, LET ME ASK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. HE HAS ANOTHER QUESTION AND THEN MO OF TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I SEE YOUR POINT, DOCTOR. BUT AT ONE POINT WE NEED TO KNOW -- $4 MILLION IF WE DON'T NEED THE $4 MILLION RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT I JUST -- WHAT IS THE $3 MILLION. AND WHAT IS THE $2.5 MILLION. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO BRING TO THE TABLE? THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW RIGHT OFF THE BAT. SO, YOU KNOW -- HERE IS WHERE I CAN POINT TO THE ORGANIZATIONS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE $3.5 MILLION IS GOING TO BRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE COST FOR THAT BUILDING ONE, WHICH IS LABELING IT AS CRISIS CARE. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE THINK OF SERVICES AND I CAN POINT TO ANDREA AND FIND WHAT SERVICES. AS FAR AS ADDING THE BUILDING THAT IS AT THE PARKING LOT. AND HOW THE OPERATIONS WOULD [02:10:08] OCCUR, I WOULD POINT TO COASTAL BEND CANCEL WELLNESS AND HOW DO YOU TRANSITION PEOPLE. THOSE FACILITIES DO NOT ALLOW FOR LONG-TERM CARE OR DETOX. WHY WE HAVE CENECOR. AND EVEN GOING BEFORE THAT, WHAT SERVICES. YOU WANT TO HAVE THE INTEGRATED CARE. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT COME IN GET MEDICAL CLEARANCES WHICH IS WHY WE WERE AT -- TALKING TO AMISTAD AND TALKING OF COASTAL BEND WELLNESS TO HAVE GROUPS AND TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: AFTER THREE AND A HALF YEARS I AM GLAD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT AND TO MOVE FORWARD. SOMEBODY SAID WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. I WILL ASK OTHER COMMISSIONERS BUT, AGAIN, JUST FOR CLARITY, YOUR ASK TODAY AS I UNDERSTOOD MY PAPERWORK WAS FOR $5 MILLION. THAT $5 MILLION WILL BE DEDICATED FROM ARPA, THAT IS THE REQUEST. >> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: -- THOSE DOLLARS WILL BE USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BROWN LEE SITE. EASIER THAN THE OTHER NAMES THAT WE ARE USING AND THAT WILL PROVI PROVIDE FOR THE BROWNLY BUILDING. WHEN WE SAY THAT MAYBE THE WORD IS "COMPLEX." BECAUSE IT IS ONE COMPLEX AND THOSE $5 MILLION WILL BE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THERE. IS THAT YOUR ASK HERE TODAY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW M MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: $5 MILLION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I GOT $4 MILLION ON THE BROWNLY FACILITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THOUGHT IT WAS 5. IS HE ON? ALL I KNOW -- I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I WILL ASK THESE OTHER GUYS QUESTIONS AND TRY TO KEEP IT MOVING AND DO SOME TEXTING. BECAUSE WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT CAME FROM A COST ESTIMATE FROM AN ARCHITECT. AND THE MHID BOARD MEMBERS BROUGHT US -- DR. GONZALEZ BROUGHT US THAT DOLLAR OF $5 MILLION. IT HAS BEEN BROKEN DOWN HERE FOR YOU. IF IT IS LESS, THAN IT IS LESS. MAYBE IT IS 4. WE CAN GET THAT NUMBER. WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THAT NUMBER IS FOR. THAT IS FUNNY, 4 FOR. WHAT IS THAT NUMBER GOING TO DO? IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BUILD THE FACILITY THAT EVERYBODY HERE IS TALKING ABOUT WITH US AND SUPPORTING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MY INFORMATION IS FOUR. SO I NEED CLARIFICATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE CAN GET THAT DONE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MAKES SENSE AND ADDS UP. BECAUSE ON HERE THE CRISIS CENTER WATT 3.5. POINT 3 IS 3.8. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT DOES. WHILE WE GET MORE COMMENTS, MAGGIE, CAN YOU PLEASE TEXT MIKE AND MARK HENDRICKS. MARK IS ON THERE. HE ASKED IF YOU COULD CALL ON HIM. >>JUDGE CANALES: MARK. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PEOPLE TELL THEIR TITLES FOR EVERYBODY DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. >>JUDGE CANALES: MARK HENDRICKS, REMIND EVERYBODY WHO YOU ARE WHEN ANSWERING. >>. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME, JUDGE? >>JUDGE CANALES: YES. >> ALL RIGHT, SO AS IT RELATES TO THE CONCRETE COST FOR THE RENOVATION ESTIMATION. BETWEEN $2.5 MILLION TODAY 3.5 MILLION. $3.5 WILL BE THE NUMBER FOR THE RENOVATION OF THAT FACILITY AT 1630 SOUTH BROWNLY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 3.5? >>JUDGE CANALES: DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES AND THE REST OF IT IS THE CRISIS CARE CENTER THE WAY DR. GONZALEZ HAS BROKEN IT OUT? >> 3.5 IS THE ESTIMATION OUT THE DOOR. ALL-INCLUSIVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOT IT. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. >> MARK, JUST TO ADD, YOU ARE NOT ADDING THE FACILITY ACROSS THE WAY. SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? >> YOU ARE NOT INCLUDING THE FUNDING TO ALSO -- THE SOBRIETY PORTION. CORRECT. SO BASICALLY, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, WHAT YOU SEE HERE AND WHAT DR. GONZALEZ HAS IS THREE SEPARATE PROJECTS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE ASK FOR CREATING THIS COLLABORATIVE. SO THE FACILITY THAT IS -- SHARES A PARKING LOT WITH 1630 SOUTH BROWNLY IS THE PATHWAY UNIT. THE UNIT IS ESSENTIALLY MOVE-IN READY WITH MINIMUM MODIFICATIONS FOR A LONGER-TERM SUBSTANCE USE SERVICES. SO THAT IS WHY THAT NUMBER IS MUCH SMALLER. SO THE $5 MILLION TOTAL ASK IS FOR THE THREE COMPONENTS. 3.5 FOR THE DIVERSION CENTER, [02:15:05] INFRASTRUCTURE AND RENOVATION OF 1630. THE.3 FOR PATHWAYS RESPITE FACILITY WHICH IS 100 YARDS IN THE SAME PARKING LOT. AND THE REMAINING AMOUNT, XAVIER. I DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF ME. THAT IS TO MOVE TO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE RECOVERY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:THAT IS NOT ON THE SCREEN. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE THIRD RUN, CENECOR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING -- >> CAN I JUST -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CRYSTAL, RIGHT, IT ALL GOES TOGETHER. >> SO REAL QUICK. ORIGINALLY IT IS A DIFFERENT ASK BECAUSE WE ALREADY PROVIDE ALL THOSE SERVICES. WE PROVIDE DETOX. WE PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL INTENSIVE TREATMENT. WE PROVIDE ALREADY TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT TO THE FACILITY AS YOU KNOW. THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN AROUND A REALLY LONG TIME. AND IT NEEDS A FACELIFT. SO WE HAVE A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING WHICH IS A TWO-PLUS-YEAR PROGRAM. OUR GOAL IN THAT ASK ORIGINALLY. AND STILL IS, IS TO MOVE OUR DETOX AROUND. OUR DETOX HOUSES 30 CLIENTS. OUR GOAL IS TO MOVE OUR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING DOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CLIENTS WHO HAVE HANDI CAPABILITIES. THEY DON'T HAVE AN ELEVATOR TO GO DOWNSTAIRS. AN OLDS HOTEL WHICH IS STILL WEIRD THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ELEVATOR BUT ANYWAY, MOVE THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING DOWN AND MOVE DETOX INTO THE ADMIN HALLWAY AND EXPAND BECAUSE WE ALREADY PROVIDE THE SERVICES. IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE BUILDING AND IF YOU HAVE TAKEN A TOUR, THAT IS WHAT THE 3.5 MILLION ASK IS FOR. NO THE FOR SERVICES. IT IS TO EXPAND. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS A DIFFERENT ASK. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS BUT THEY ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE $5 MILLION THAT DR. GONZALEZ IS NOT WHAT MHID NEEDED. THEY NEED 3.5. >>JUDGE CANALES: PLUS THE.3. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE ARE TALKING TWO SEPARATE ASKS AND I THINK WE HAVE TO -- >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO EITHER IS DUPLICATE. A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THE ROOM AND WITH A LIKE TO GET IT DONE AND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR YOU TO REGROUP A LITTLE BIT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ASK FOR THE DI VIR GENT CENTER IS THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THIS, CENECOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I TOURED IT WITH YOU. I WAS THERE WHEN THE DEAL WAS THERE. AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT. IF WE CAN SAY CENECOR IS ASKING FOR AN ASK AND MHID AND OTHER FOLKS WHO NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS LIKE THE WELLNESS FOUNDATION AND HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED AND NOT PUSHED OUT OF THE MIX. I KNOW EVERYBODY IS IN THE ROOM NOW AND EVERYBODY IS HOLDING HANDS AND KUMBAYAH. BUT WHEN MONEY IS BEING DISTRIBUTED PEOPLE FORGET. NOT INTENTIONALLY, NO ILL-WILL. .WE DO THIS WRAP THIS UP IN THE PACKAGE AND NOBODY COMES UP AND SAYS WE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT TODAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER, I THINK WE CAN DO IT TODAY. BECAUSE I THINK THE ASK FROM MHID AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE YOU HEARD FROM. AND I AM JUST GOING TO ROUND IT UP TODAY 4 MILLION. THE 375 TO.3 PLUS INFLATION. $4 MILLION IS THERE FOR THE DIVERSION CENTER OR YOU CAN RENAME IT THE RESTORATION CENTER. IT IS THE SAME THING. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON DR. XAVIER PUT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IN AN ASK COMING IN FOR A DIFFERENT ENTITY BUT THAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS CRITICAL. ALL OF THESE GROUPS WORK IN TANDEM EVERY DAY ALL DAY. THE LETTERS OF INTENT ALREADY EXPRESS THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. I THINK THE GOAL HERE TODAY I THINK FROM XAVIER'S ONE, TWO, THREE IS TO PLEASE CONSIDER ALL OF THEM. LIKE YOU SAID IF YOU FEEL GOOD [02:20:01] SAYING MHID BUILDING IS -- IT IS 3.5. BUT 3.5 PLUS THE.3 SO 3.8. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT UP. AND THEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER CENECOR'S. IT IS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT CRYSTAL JUST SAID. THEY NEED DOLLARS TO IMPROVE THEIR FACILITY. CENECOR RUNS THEIR FACILITY AND THAT IS THE OPERATOR AND THEY HAVE FUNDS TO OPERATE THEIR FACILITY. THEY ARE A 501-C-3 AND LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS. WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE REVAMPING THE WAY WE DO MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES HERE. THEY WILL BE AN INTEGRAL PART OPINION I AM SORRY HE HAD TO LEAVE, BUT ROBERT REED EARLIER FROM BROKEN CHAINS, HE WORKS WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE GROUPS AS WELL. THEY ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN THE -- WHEN THE MOU GETS DONE, THE MOU WILL ARTICULATE HOW THEY PROVIDE IN THE BUILDING. TODAY AS COMMISSIONER CONSTABLE HAS SUGGESTED TO MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO APPROPRIATE THESE FUNDS SO THAT THEY KNOW THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH TODAY'S DOLLARS, BECAUSE TOMORROW IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE. I SEE IT AS A $4 MILLION ASK AND A POTENTIAL $3.5 MILLION AS -- IN MY MIND. AND THAT -- THAT IS WHAT HE HAS GOT HERE FOR US TO CONSIDER. COMMISSIONER MAREZ, I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: YES, JUDGE, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE HEARING COMMISSIONER CHESNEY AND GONZALEZ SHARE THEIR CONCERNS. UP WANT TO MAKE SURE NO ONE IS LEFT OUT. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM -- I AM ASSUMING LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE EVERYONE HERE IN THE ROOM SO DO THAT HOSTAGE BLANK IF YOU FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE INCLUDED SOMEHOW. WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. I DON'T WANT TO RUSH IT BECAUSE FOR THE SEEK OF RUSHING, BUT IT -- IT IS ESSENTIAL. AND TO SEE -- I THINK D DR. LUCIANS SAID. ALL THE GROUPS WORKING TOGETHER LIKE THEY NEVER HAVE AT ANY POINT BEFORE. THAT IS REALLY ENCOURAGING AND EXCITING TO SHOW THAT COLLABOROWING THAT EVERYONE IS A PART OF A PIECE OF THIS SOLUTION. AND THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE THIS CONCERTED EFFORT FROM EVERYONE INVOLVED TO FIX SOME OF THE FACILITIES TO MEET THE VARIOUS STAGES THAT YOU ALL ARE PRESENTING. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. I THINK BACK IN MY DAYS WHEN HE WAS AN INVESTIGATOR AND A CASEWORKER WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY OF PROTECTIVE SERVICES. AND BACK THEN IT WAS CHARLIE'S PLACE. AND YOU WOULD GO AND YOU WERE LIMITED IN TRYING TO GET FAMILIES GET THE HELP THEY NEEDED. AND THEY COULDN'T, RIGHT. MOM AND DAD COULDN'T GET THEIR -- THEIR LIVES STARTING TO -- ON THE PATH OF RECOVERY, THEN THAT IMPACTED THE REST OF THE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN DOWN THE LINE AND DEALT WITH CONSERVATORSHIP THAT JUDGE CHESNEY KNEW ABOUT AND DEALT WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE ALL GET IT. NOT EVERYONE THAT DISPUTES WHERE WE ARE, RIGHT. I THINK FROM WHAT I AM HEARING, WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS WORK. WHAT I SEE IS I SEE THAT IT DOES. I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE VERY SPECIFIC, VERY CONCENTRATED ON OUR -- ON OUR FUNDING THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS NEEDED. BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, EXTRA BELLS AND WHISTLES. I DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE THREE PARTS GET THEIR FUNDING NEEDED. THE CRISIS CARE CENTER, SOBERING AND DETOX PART AND THE TRANSITIONAL RECOVERY. AND THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. I HEAR THAT FROM PEOPLE NOT EVERY DAY BUT PRETTY OFTEN, ESPECIALLY LATELY, AND ESPECIALLY FOR ONE PARTICULAR CONSTITUENT WHO CONTINUES TO TALK ABOUT -- JUST THAT TRYING TO GET HER CHILD -- HER ADULT CHILD -- INTO RECOVERY AND GETTING THE MENTAL HEALTH ASSISTANCE AND DETOX ASSISTANCE NEEDED THAT WILL PREVENT THAT CHILD FROM HAVING TO GET INVOLVED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OR A STAY WITHIN THE JAIL OR PERHAPS EVEN INTO THE PRISON SYSTEM. SO I AM SOLD ON THAT. SO IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE VERIFY THESE NUMBERS, THEN I AGREE, TODAY IS THE DAY THAT WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE CAN SAY WE ARE READY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND COMMIT TO THAT -- TO THAT MONEY THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR. THAT WILL BE MY ONLY ASK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THIS IS IT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS. HEARING ALL THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS REPRESENTED TODAY. SEEING THEM OUGHT AT ONCE. THE FACT THAT THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER SHOWS THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT A ME DEAL, RIGHT. JUST ME AND MY ORGANIZATION. COUNCIL ON ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE, YOU KNOW CENECOR, EVERYONE THAT IS INVOLVED. [02:25:02] I LOVE SEEING THIS COLLABORATION. AND THE FACT THAT CHIEF SHOWER AND SHERIFF HOOP IS HERE AND CONGRESSMAN, A PASSION FOR HIM. THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND NONPROFIT AND MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH GROUPS PARTICIPATING. THAT COLLABORATIVE -- THAT HUB, THAT'S WHERE I AM FOCUSED ON. THAT'S WHERE I AM LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. THIS IS WHERE I AM AT. WE ARE DONE. WE ARE AT THAT POINT WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND SO YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT ON THAT. WE GET THESE QUESTIONS WORKED OUT SPECIFICALLY, THEN LET'S PUT A MOTION FORWARD. WE ARE THERE. TO ME IT'S -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE VERY CLEAR THAT YES, WE HAVE TO BE LIMITED IN OUR MONEY. NOT NOW, WHEN. WE NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THE COLLABORATION. IT IS A OPERATE. WE NEED TO CHOOSE OURSELVES AS A COURT. WE SEE IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. WE HEAR THE ASK. WE HAVE BEEN TO THESE FACILITIES IF NOT RECENTLY OVER THE TIME OF OUR PUBLIC SERVICE AND OUR OTHER LIVES THAT WE HAVE LED TO BE IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT FACILITIES. AND WE KNOW THERE ARE NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. BUT TO GO IN AND SAY, WEIGH WANT TO START ONLY ON STAGE 1. BEING THE LAYPERSON AND BEING INVOLVED IN REFERENCING PEOPLE INTO THIS SYSTEM, I WANT TO SEE THE ENTIRE COG PUT TOGETHER. I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE ONE SPOKE ON THERE. FOR IT TO WORK, IT HAS TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN ONE PIECE TODAY. I HOPE THAT IS WHAT WE, AS A COURT, CAN COME TO. IF IT SIMPLY CANNOT BE DONE TODAY BECAUSE WE ARE STILL STRUGGLING WITH NUMBERS, THEN I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REALLY PUT TOGETHER AND MAKE HAPPEN. AND THIS -- AN EXCITING TIME FOR US, BUT ALSO I HAVE -- I HAVE A GREAT HESITATION KNOWING THAT IF SOMETHING FALLS APART, WE MAY NOT MAKE IT HAPPEN. IF IT DOESN'T, IT COULD BE YEARS IN THE MAKING BEFORE WE GET THIS CHANCE AGAIN AS A COURT. SO YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: YES, JUDGE, THANK YOU. AND AS I SIT HERE, IT BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES WHEN I WAS IN JUNIOR HIGH. A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE WAS FOUND DEAD IN A PARK. AND HE HAD STARTED OUT SNIFFING GLUE. SO IF WE HAD ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THIS WHERE HIS PARENTS COULD HAVE TURNED TO FOR HELP, MAYBE HE WOULD STILL BE WITH US TODAY. I AM IN TOTAL SUPPORT, DR. GONZALEZ. I ALWAYS TOLD YOU THIS. CRYSTAL, I HAVE BEEN TO YOUR PLACE. YOU GAVE ME THE TOUR, MISS KING AND I. I AGREE, YOUR PLACE DOES NEED A FACELIFT. YOU DO A TREMENDOUS JOB AND YOU HAVE MANY PEOPLE THERE. SO I HOPE THAT THE MONEY ISSUE, WE CAN GET ACROSS THAT, JUMP THAT HOOP. AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR OUR COUNTY, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT NEED THE HELP. MENTAL HEALTH IS A BIG PROBLEM. LET'S TRY TO STOP -- WE ARE NEVER GOING TO STOP IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PROBLEMS T THAT UVALVE HAD WITH PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ISSUES. LET'S NOT WAIT UNTIL IT HAPPENS HERE. LET'S START WORK WITH ALL OF YOU AND WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WE WILL DO OUR PART TO TRY TO GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO GET IT DONE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ALL DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, I WOULD LIKE TO AT THIS TIME MAKE A MOTION THAT AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDING BE ALLOCATED IN THE AMOUNT OF $4 MILLION FOR -- >> SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND I LIKE THE WORD RESTORATION PROGRAM. A LOT OF US USED DIVERSION BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE STARTED IT, BUT WE CAN ENDS IT THE RIGHT WAY WHICH IS RESTORATION. DR. GONZALEZ, I THINK THE CONSENSUS I HEARD FROM THE COURT THAT THE FUNDS BE FOR THE 3.5 AND THE .3 AT THIS TIME. AND THERE IS A SECOND. APPEAR FINANCED IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET ME TAKE A HISTORICAL VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: REAL QUICK. I WANT TO MAKE SURE. CAN WE JUST ADD TO THAT THAT WE SOMEHOW CONTINUE -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTENT OF THIS IS BY ALL OF THIS THAT ALL OF US ARE INCLUDED IN THIS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE HAPPY TO A ADD. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT ALL OF THE MOTIONS TO INCLUDE WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE LEFT OUT. [02:30:04] >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TAKE THAT LORENZO AS THE ADDITIONAL ITEM. BUT COLLABORATIVE E6R9 BY THE LETTER OF INTENT AND THE BACK-UP DOCUMENTATION. WE CAN LIST THEM FOR YOU. THEY ARE PART OF THE RECORD BUT LIST THEM FOR YOU FOR THE CLERKS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. IN ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE US CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE IN MY MIND I HAD THAT $5 MILLION ASK. THAT $1 MILLION BE APPROPRIATED TO THE CENECOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND I WOULD LIKE THE SE SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WITH THE SAME INTENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WITH THE CALL FOR DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I ASK. >>JUDGE CANALES: YES. FOR THE CALL OF DISCUSSION -- I WILL COME IN FOR YOU IN JUST A SECOND. COMMISSIONER? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND TELL ME -- ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I GOTTEN ARE SOMETHING ABOUT -- I GUESS ON THE CENECOR -- SOMEBODY IS ASKING ME ARE BEDS LIMITED ON THE DHS FUNDS. I AM NOT SURE WHO I AM ASKING THAT TO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >>JUDGE CANALES: CRYSTAL, HE WANTS YOU TO APPROACH. HE HAS A QUESTION ON THE DHS FUNDING. >> I MEAN -- IT FLUCTUATES WITH THE STATE. STATE FUNDS REALLY FLUBBING WEIGHT. REALLY -- WE NEVER KNOW RIGHT NOW. WE ARE ALLOCATED TO 25 BEDS IN DETAX AND 31 BEDS IN RESIDENTIAL AND 25 BEDS FOR SPECIALIZE FEMALE AND RESIDENTIAL AND WOMEN WHO HAVE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 18. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW DOES THAT EFFECT THE OTHER AGENCIES IN THE ROOM AGAIN THIS IS TRULY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. HOW DOES THAT EFFECT THEM AT BEING ABLE TO BE AT THE TABLE AND BEING ABLE TO FUNCTION WITHIN THESE TWO ORGANIZATIONS. BECAUSE I KNOW -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AGAIN THAT -- THIS IS A HUGE DAY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WALKS OUT OF HERE FEELING IT IS A HUGE DAY. HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> THERE IS -- SO -- WITHOUT GOING INTO THE LOGISTICS BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WILL BE A LONG CONVERSATION, WE ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO GET PEOPLE FUNDED. AND IT IS WITH THE PARTNERSHIPS. SO WITH COASTAL BEND WELLNESS PAYS FOR BEDS. THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE MHID THROUGH THE CIT PROGRAM. PROBATION. YOU HELPED WITH COMMISSIONERS COURT GRANTS. SO ALL THESE FUNDING SOURCES -- UNITED WAY. WE ARE A UNITED WAY GRANT FUNDER RECIPIENT. TEXAS VETERANS COMMISSION. WE HAVE A LOT OF PARTNERSHIPS. THROUGHOUT THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT ALLOW US TO HAVE THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FUNDING ASSISTANCE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO PAY. SO ANYBODY WHO COMES THROUGH OUR DOORS, WE WILL FIND A WAY TO GET THEM IN. WE WON'T TURN ANYBODY AWAY. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY, THAT -- THANK YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: CRYSTAL, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME STAYING THERE. HANG ON FOR A SECOND. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT MILLION DOLLARS MAY HAVE SOME POTENTIAL FOR A MATCH. THAT IS CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD LIKE ON ANOTHER COURT FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND TELL US ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT COULD BE VERY POWERFUL. ADDITION, I WANT THE COURT TO KNOW BECAUSE IT WAS I BELIEVE LISTED HERE -- LET ME DOUBLE CHECK IT. IS IT REALLY -- IT IS LISTED IN AN UNUSUAL WAY. AND YOU MAY HAVE MISSED IT AS AN AUDIENCE OR A COURT MEMBER. IT ALSO SAYS THAT WE COULD TRANSFER COUNTY FUNDS TO A MENTAL HEALTH ACCOUNT. WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THIS UP. EXECUTIVE TO UNDERSTAND ELIGIBILITY, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND NOT TO PUT DANTE ON THE SPOT BUT HE IS HERE. HE IS ONE OF THOSE -- WHAT DO THEY CALL THEM, STAKEHOLDERS. WHAT DID WE JUST CALL THEM, TEAM MEMBERS, COLLABORATORS, REPRESENTING CITY COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH. THIS COUNTY HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE FUNDS FOR MENTAL HEALTH IN MULTIPLE WAYS THROUGH THE 1115 WAIVER PROGRAM. THESE ARE OLDS FUNDS THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT WE CAN USE IN A POWERFUL WAY TO GET US TO THAT MARK OF 3.5. IN ADDITION, THERE ARE OPIOID LITIGATION FUNDS THAT ARE COMING TO THIS COUNTY THAT WILL TOTAL $1.6 MILLION. WE DID NOT NOTICE THAT TODAY, BUT PLEASE KNOW, COURT, IF YOU [02:35:06] WANT THESE PROGRAMS TO JUST REALLY SHINE AND SOAR, THIS -- OUR FUTURE IS RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US FOR PROGRAMMING. THE CITY HAS 1.6 APPROXIMATELY. I LOOKED HARD TO FIND IT AND I AM GOING TO ASK JENNY TO DIG IT UP. NOT TODAY, JENNY, BUT WE HAVE A WORKSHEET THAT SHOWS WHAT NUECES WILL GETS FROM THE OPIOID LITIGATION SETTLEMENT. WE KNOW WHAT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IS GOING TO GET. I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS GOING TO GET. BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PART OF THE AG'S PIECE. WE KNOW THERE IS THAT BIG FUND THAT IS REGIONAL OF WHICH WE ARE THE LARGEST COUNTY WITH STATS. SO ALL I AM SAYING TO YOU, COURT, IS I AGREE WITH YOU MUCH CHESNEY, THAT WE CAN FURTHER. MUCH THERE IS MORE TO DO. TODAY IS HISTORIC BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO GUESS ANYMORE AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TALK ANYMORE AFTER THREE AND A HALF TO ALMOST FOUR LONG YEARS, WE HAVE DONE IT. BUT THERE IS MORE TO DO AND I THINK THERE ARE TWO FUNDING SOURCES THAT THIS COURT NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT AND ADDRESS, BUT I HOPE THAT THE $4 MILLION TODAY IS A SIGN OF GOOD FAITH BECAUSE WHEN YOU AND I TALKED OF AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, THAT WAS A GOOD NUMBER. AND NOW WE KNOW THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. AND I HOPE THAT DANTE CAN CARRY THAT MESSAGE BACK. HE IS STANDING UP SO I AM GOING TO LET HIM SAY SOMETHING. DANTE. DR. GONZALEZ, EXCUSE ME. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT -- YOU MENTIONED THE 1115 WAIVERS AND HOW THOSE FUNDS WERE ACTUALLY REIMUS REIMBURSED THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM. THESE FUNDS WERE COLLECTED BY DOING SERVICES THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY ON MENTAL HEALTH. I AM NOT HERE SPEAKING WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS. NOT FOR ME TO SAY. BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE FUNDS SPECIFICALLY REIMBURSED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE DIABETES, NUTRITION. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT. >> WELLNESS BUT NOT NECESSARILY MENTAL HEALTH. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL I AM SAYING A LITTLE MORE VETTING AND WE MIGHT GET THERE. BECAUSE AS IT TURNS OUT, I NEVER REALLY ASK A QUESTION I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. SO I REALLY DO THINK ONCE WE GET THE 11:15 STAFF WAIVER EXPERT IN HERE AND THE STATE'S INPUT THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE. IF THAT IS THE CASE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE. AND IT GOES ALONG WITH -- IT TURNS OUT LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE LAYERING EFFECTS. TURNS OUT THERE ARE DIABETIC. AND THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. SO WE WILL -- I REALLY WANT TO GET TO ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM. DR. GONZALEZ, I WILL GIVE YOU THE BEST ADVICE THAT SOMEBODY GAVE ME, WHEN YOU HAVE WON, RUN. [LAUGHTER] WOULD YOU ALSO WANT -- I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE HIM. WILL YOU RECOGNIZE AARON DIAZ. YOU STAYED QUIET BUT CERTAINLY NOT IN THE BACK ROOM. YOU HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING DR. GONZALEZ. DR. GONZALEZ WOULD YOU LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE -- >> WHEN -- WHEN I -- WHEN I WAS BROUGHT FORTH THIS VENTURE, THE VERY FIRST THING I DID WAS I WENT AND ASKED THE EXPERTS THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS. I TALKED TO LEON EVANS FR FROM BEXAR COUNTY AND GILBERT GONZALEZ. THE FIRST THING HE TOLD ME SOMEONE IS WATCHING OVER YOU BECAUSE SOMEONE IN CORPUS CHRISTI WHO RETIRED THAT IS PART OF WHO STARTED DIVERSION INFORM BEXAR COUNTY. AND AARON DIAZ THAT PULLED OUT OF RETIERMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TAKING THE RIGHT -- RETIREMENT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE TAKING THE RIGHT PATH FORWARD AND WHAT THEY LEARNED IN BEXAR COUNTY AND OF IT TO LEARN HERE IN NUECES COUNTY. >>JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONERS, I AM GOING TO JUST -- THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO GET UP. SO WE WILL LET YOU DO THAT. THANK YOU. A REQUEST TO GO TO OF EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE LEGAL COMPONENTS OF THE AMENDMENT, SO I WILL SKIP IT RIGHT NOW. AND THIS WAY I WILL ADDRESS THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WAITING SO PATIENTLY. ITEM NUMBER 3. WE WILL KIND OF WAIT UNTIL THE CROWD GOES JUST 30 MORE SECONDS. [3. Discuss and consider renewal and amendment of agreement between Texas General Land Office/Veterans Land Board and Nueces County related to the operation of the Coastal Bend Veteran’s Cemetery, and related matters.] GIVE THEM A MOMENT. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RENULT AND [02:40:02] AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE, VETERANS LAND BOARD AND NUECES COUNTY RELATING TO THE MUCH.COASTAL BEND VETERAN CEMETERY AND RELATED MATTERS. JJ -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I ASK ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES. >>JUDGE CANALES: ACTUALLY ONE THAT IS GOOD. >>JUDGE CANALES: THIS IS KIND OF A SLAM DUNK OF. >>JUDGE CANALES: ONE CHANGE AND GOOD MUCH CHANGE. >> TWO CHANGES. >>JUDGE CANALES: TWO CHANGES. >> THE ONLY CHANGES, COMMISSIONER, IS THEY ARE WANTING TO ADD AN 5789 WHERE ANY SURPLUS FUNDS IN OUR BUDGET GETS PUT INTO A CAPITAL FUND EXPENDITURE. IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN PURCHASE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT OR DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. THAT'S IT. SECONDLY THEY WANT TO REDUCE BUDGET FROM 918,000 TODAY 900,000. WE HAD OVER 100,000 IN SURPLUS AND GOT IT BACK TO 900. SO A PERFECT DEAL. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ON THE SURPLUS ON MOST OF OUR ACCOUNTS, WE TRY TO CREATE A RESERVE BAT IN THERE. SO BY NOT PUT IT IN OUR RESERVE AND PUT IT IN THE CAPITAL ACCOUNT, IS THERE ANY DETRIMENT TO THAT IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTINGENCY LIKE ANY OTHER ACCOUNT. >> CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT, DALE? >> COMMISSIONER, IT IS GOING TO BE RESERVED FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT. THOSE RESERVES CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CAPITAL ACCOUNTS. SO 1130,000 OF RESERVE AND FUND BALANCE. FUND BALANCE CAN BE USED FOR CAPITAL EXPENSES. THEY ARE RESERVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: LIKE YOUR $100,000, COMMISSIONER, THAT WE SAVED, WE ACTUALLY GOT IT. NEXT IF WE HAVE $100 SAVINGS, IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THERE RATHER THAN OUR GENERAL FUND. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WOULD THAT BE THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE CAPITAL FUNDS IN THESE OTHER FUNDS WHICH IS JUST FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS? >> THE MAIN PURPOSE WHILE THEY ARE DOING THIS A BIG ISSUE WHEN WE FIRST TOOK OVER THE CEMETERY THAT THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE AND THE VETERANS LAND BOARD WAS VERY HESITANT OF THE CURRENT VENDOR PURCHASING AT CAPITAL EXPENSE. BACK HOES OR MOWERS, WHATEVER MIGHT BE THE CASE, SEVERAL GOING BACK AND FORTH. SO WE NOW HAVE A FUNDS BALANCE. THESE FUNDS CAN BE USED TO BUY THE CAPITAL EXPENSE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO THE LAND BOARD FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY. >>JUDGE CANALES: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT I HEARD ON THIS IS THAT /* JJ IS HAVING TO SPEND A TON MUCH TIME AT THAT CEMETERY. A LOT MORE TIME AND ENERGY TO DO THINGS. SO ARE WE SHORTING OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT ON THIS BUDGET BECAUSE WE GOT JJ DOING MORE WORK AND MAY NEED ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER TO HELP HIM NOT HAVE TO GO DO THAT? BECAUSE WITH ALL THE 360 BURN PITS. HE HAS HIS HANDS FULL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT SHORTING OURSELVES ON THIS. I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE HIM HAVING AS MUCH TIME AS I HEAR HIM SPENDING AND MAY BE BECAUSE HE IS A GREAT GUY AND DOES IT ON HIS OWN. STILL NOT FAIR TO HIM. WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK FOR -- LET'S SAY SOME ALLOCATION OUT OF THOSE FUNDS TO OFFSET SOME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: REDUCING OUR BUDGET. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE BUDGET ACCOUNTED, I THINK, FOR THAT. >> 50,000. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: $50,000 OF WHAT. >> FOR COLA INCREASE FOR CEMETERY STAFF AND ANY PAY RAISES. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL PERSON BECAUSE YOU NEED TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME TAKING YOU AWAY FROM THINGS WE ORIGINALLY HIRED YOU FOR. I AM CONCERNED WE MAY NEED THE EXTRA MONEY FOR ANOTHER STAFF OR PAY PART OF YOUR SALARY OR. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE BUDGET ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED A SUPPLEMENT FOR HIM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IN THIS BUDGET? >>JUDGE CANALES: YES. THIS THIS BUDGET, I THINK ENOUGH DOLLARS IN THERE FOR A SUPPLEMENT FOR HIM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BUDGET. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: FULL TIME, PART-TIME OR WHAT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF WE SAY HEY, JJ NEEDS A RAISE -- NOT THE ONLY RUN, BUT THE REASON HE NEEDS A RAISE, HE IS DOING SO MUCH WORK OVER HERE THAT WE ANTICIPATE. THE BUDGET THAT IS COMING OUT WILL HAVE AN AMOUNT IN THERE THAT SAYS WE CAN SUPPLEMENT AND GET HIM THAT RAISE OUT OF THAT BUDGET? >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, ONE ITEM OF A FEE THAT WE CHARGE THE CEMETERYR WORK THAT MY STAFF DOES, THAT HR, THAT JJ. $75,000 AND REDUCED TODAY 50,000. >> $46,000. >> STILL ENOUGH FUNDS TO COVER HIS ADDITIONAL INCREASES IN HIS JOB OR RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL AS WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY. THAT IS A BIG QUESTION FOR ME BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GET LEFT OUT OF ON [02:45:04] THIS, JJ. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU MUST BE DOING AN EFFICIENT OPERATION TO BE GIVING LESS. AND TO RUN THE CEMETERY WELL AND THE WAY THE VETERANS WANT IT RUN. I NEVER -- I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME. NEVER HAVE ANYBODY COME BACK AND SAY WE ARE OKAY WITH LESS MONEY FROM THE STATE. ONCE YOU TAKE LESS, NEXT YEAR THEY ARE GOING TO ASK FOR THE SAME THING. SO FORTH AND SO ON. SO THE AMENDMENT ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. LITTLE NERVOUS. >> WE WERE TRYING TO DO THE BUDGET FROM WHAT THE LAST VENDORS WERE DOING THIS. AND BECAUSE LAST VENDORS DIDN'T HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY WE HAD FOR EMPLOYEE BENEFITS WITH THE MEDICAL, DENTAL, VISION, RETIREMENT. SO WE HAD TO PUT THIS UNDER THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT LAST YEAR AND NOW WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT WILL COST SO WHY -- >> ALSO WE HAVE SAVINGS, COMMISSIONERS. BECAUSE WE HAVE RESOURCES THAT THAT VENDOR DOESN'T HAVE. WE HAVE THINGS FOR LESS THAN THEY DID. HELPS A LOT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A ONE-YEAR RENEWAL. >> ONE YEAR. >>JUDGE CANALES: WILL YOU MAKE THE MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: I WANT TO TELL JJ FOR WHAT THEY DO. PLEASE LET YOUR EMPLOYEES KNOW. >> YES, SIR. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS PHENO PHENOMENAL. >>COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: LOOKS VERY NICE AND GOOD COMPLIMENTS FROM MY NEIGHBORS ON THAT. >> THANK YOU, WE TRY VERY HARD. >>JUDGE CANALES: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. JJ, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. ON ANOTHER DAY, MAYBE YOU WILL COME AND SHARE WITH US ON SOME OF THE THINGS YOU ARE DOING TO MAKE US A PURPLE HEART CEMETERY. PURPLE HEART VETERANS CEMETERY. WHEN I SAY PURPLE HEART, I HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AIRBORNE IN THE ROOM THAT REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS FOR VETERANS. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SEMPER FI. >>COMMISSIONER CHES CHESNEY: SEMPER FI. TAMPA. >>JUDGE CANALES: PURPLE HEART MEMORIAL THIS SATURDAY. AND MAYBE YOU WILL SEND THAT OUT IN CASE ANYBODY KNOWS AND HAVE TO OUR HAERPT AS A.PURPLE HEART VETERANS CEMETERY IS EXCEPTIONAL. WOULD LIKE EXCEPTIONAL FOR NUECES COUNTY. >> WE ARE PUSHING FOR NOVEMBER TO BE DESIGNATED AS A PURPLE HEART VETERANS CEMETERY. THE REST OF THE STATE THE VETERANS CEMETERY WILL BE PURPLE HEART CEMETERIES. JJ, WILL YOU ASSIST HIM. ONE THING I HAVE NOTICED IS WE NEED TO HAVE AN ADA PODIUM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT. >> I AM THE AIRBORNE. I AM THE MILITARY ORDER FOR PURPLE HEART. ALSO I AM THE COMMANDER FOR THE VFW 397 AND. PAST COMMANDER FOR THE CHAPTER 150. WANT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT BEFORE I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT JJ. THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN NUECES COUNTY AND UNITED STATES TO PAY MY BROTHER-IN-ARM WITH WHAT HE IS DOING. WE DON'T COMPLAIN PAUSE WE DO IT FROM THE HEART. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS PLUS, TO HELP OUR VETERANS. I AM A VOLUNTEER SERVICE OFFICER. HE TOOK OVER EVERY TIME I NEED SOMETHING OR A VETERAN OR WIFE OF A VETERAN, HE RESPOND RIGHT AWAY. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO NEED HELP. HE DON'T COMPLAIN. WE DON'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS. OF THE WAY HE DOES HIS JOB. AND THIS IS THE KINDS OF VETERAN THAT YOU HIRE. AND YOU HERE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF PERSON. AND I AM VERY PROUD TO CALL HIM A BROTHER-IN-ARMS AND MY FRIENDS. ALSO, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING HIM TO GO BACK TO STATE CEMETERY. HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB FOR ALL YOU REPRESENTATIVES OF NUECES COUNTY. BECOMING PURPLE HEART WILL BE GREAT. THE FIRST PURPLE HEART IN THE NATION WAS DALLAS, TEXAS. [02:50:05] I PRESENTED A DESIGN. THE FIRST ONE IN THE NATION. SO I BELIEVE THE STATE OF TEXAS WILL BE GREAT TO BE HERE IN NUECES COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SAY A FEW WORDS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. >> REMEMBER THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE UNITED STATES TO PAY THIS MAN FOR WHAT HE IS DOING FOR HIS FELLOW VETERANS, NOT ONLY VETERANS, BUT THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AIRBORNE [APPLAUSE] >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE DR. JOHN KELLY FROM THE VETERANS LAND BOARD. I HOOKED OVER AND SEE HIM ONLINE. A GREAT PARTNERSHIP DR. KELLY REPRESENTING THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. WE ARE A VETERAN STATE. WE LOVE OUR MILITARY. WE ARE SO PROUD TO BE A MILITARY COUNTY. I JUST -- I HOPE THAT YOU ARE ALSO PROUD OF US NOT ONLY IN PASSING ANOTHER YEAR CONTRACT BUT IN THE WORK WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH TOGETHER. PLEASE RELAY TO COMMISSIONER BUSH TO SEE THE BEST VETERAN SERVICE OFFICERS IN THE STATE AND THE BEST VETERAN STATE CEMETERY IN NUECES COUNTY. THANK YOU. OKAY, JJ, ALL DONE HERE? >> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT OF ORDER AND RECOGNIZE DR. DANTE HAS BEEN WAITING ALL MORNING AND ADVANCE. YOU HAVE SOME AGENDA ITEMS AND THIS WILL HELP HIM I KNOW AT LEAST GET TO A LUNCH ON TIME. THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF THEM. ONE OF THEM -- WELL, NUMBER 12 IS -- THERE IS A CPI. LET'S DO NUMBER 9 FIRST. [9. Discuss and consider adopting annual payment agreement amount – including request by City to increase budget based on Consumer Price Index (CPI) – for the 2022-23 fiscal year between Nueces County and the City of Corpus Christi pursuant to Section 4 of the Amended Cooperative Agreement for City-Operated Corpus Christi-Nueces County Public Health District and related matters.] NUMBER 9. NUMBER 9 -- AND I AM GOING TO LET IDAY TAKE THESE, BUT I WILL INTRODUCE THEM, DANTE, FOR THE RECORD. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ANNUAL PAYMENT AMOUNT INCLUDING REQUEST BY THE CITY TO INCREASE THE BUDGET BASED ON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OTHERWISE THRONE AS A CPI FOR THE 20 -- 2022-'23 OF THE AMENDED DOOR A I HAVE IT AGREEMENT FOR CORPUS CHRISTI MUCH HEALTH DISTRICT AND RELATED MATTERS. DR. DANTE IS HERE. IDAY, YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY HERE. YOU HAVE A NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE CONFIRMED AND THEN DANTE CAN DO THE FAVOR FOR ME, DANTE, OF CONFIRMING THE CPI. GIVE A LITTLE BACK GROUND WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH HERE WITH THIS NEW NUMBER. IF YOU WANT TO START AND IDAY CAN FINISH UP. >> ABSOLUTELY. DR. GONZALEZ, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH. THE NUMBER YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS BASICALLY THE BUDGET WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING FOR THE -- FOR MANY YEARS WITH -- BUT THIS TIME AROUND, INCLUDING A CPI. WE TOOK THE CPI OF 9.2 WHICH IS WHAT WAS PUBLISHED. 9.2% INCREASE PUBLISHED IN MAY -- THE DIFFERENCE FOR 12 MONTHS. AND THIS IS PUBLISHED BY THE U.S. BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS. NOT A NUMBER THAT THE CITY CAME UP WITH. IT IS A NUMBER THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED. >>JUDGE CANALES: DR. DANTE, DOES CONNIE HAVE IT? IT IS NO THE ON OUR SCREENS. DO YOU HAVE IT CONNIE? THAT IS FINE. WE WILL TURN TO OUR BUDGET BOOK. >> YOU CAN FIND IT ON THE U.S. BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS WHICH IS PUBLISHED. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MONTH, IT CAME UP TO 9.8%. SO DUE WE ARE STILL USING 9.2. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE TOTAL NUMBER FOR US DR. DANTE OF WHAT WE PAID THANKS YEAR AND WHAT THE REQUEST IS THIS YEAR IF WE ADOPT THIS CPI INDEX FOR THE HEALTH DISTRICT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, CAN I ASK -- >> YES, SIR. LAST YEAR 1.6 MILLION. IF YOU WANT EXACT NUMBER, 1.6. >>JUDGE CANALES: CLOSE ENOUGH. THIS YEAR. >> THIS YEAR WE ARE ASKING 1.7 MILLION. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, A QUESTION FOR MR. DANTE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SHOULDN'T TAKE IT TO THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT FIRST. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT ALREADY HAS. IDAY, CAN YOU TALK OF HOW DR. CHESNEY -- COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. COMMISSIONER CHESNEY SAYS TO TAKE THIS TO THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT, THE ANSWER IS, WE DID. >> WE DID IN THE LAST BOARD MEET WITH THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE US UP TODAY 2 MILLION TO COVER THE EXPENSES, MEDICAL EXPENSES FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. >> THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS AND GAVE UP TO TWO AND THE [02:55:04] ANSWER IS 1.7. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MOVE TO PASS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OR CONCERNS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY [12. Discuss and consider Addendum to Amended Cooperative Agreement for City-Operated Corpus Christi-Nueces County Public Health District for Fiscal Year 2022-23.] SAYING AYE. OKAY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO JUMP TO NUMBER 12 WHICH IS THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: 1.7 OR 2 MILLION. >>JUDGE CANALES: PASSED THE 1.7. >> TWO DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS, COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: OKAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: ITEM NUMBER 12, IDAY, TO DISCUSS THE EYE DEN DUMB FOR THE WHOLE FISCAL YEAR. >> THIS INCLUDES THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS WELL, BUT ALSO INCLUDES THE 11:15 WAIVER. THE 11.15 WAIVER WILL BE DIFFERENT. WE ARE TRYING TO CONFIRM WITH THE STATE THAT ACTUALLY THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE SITTING FOR THE REMANDING EXCESS FUNDS FROM THE WAIVER, WE CAN TRANSFER THAT TO THE CITY. SO THAT -- I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS COURT IF YOU WILL ALLOW ME TO CONTACT HHS TO CONFIRM THAT THE COUNTY CAN TRANSFER THE MONEY THAT THE CITY IS ASKING TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE WAIVER PROGRAM. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM WOK THAT BUT DEAL WITH HALF OF THE AGREEMENT. >> WHATEVER IS RELATED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH HALF. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE HALF THAT RUNS THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT BUT ANYTHING BUT THE WAIVER PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE TO PASS THAT SO I DON'T WANT THEM -- I MEAN, THEY ARE APPROACHING -- THEY HAVE A NEED TO GET THAT DONE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WAIT. SO ARE WE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON ITEM NUMBER 12. >> ADDENDUM TO AMEND COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE SAID WE ARE OKAY WITH THE 1 MUCH 7. THE AGREEMENT WILL BE AND MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGREEMENT FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS WE JUST END THE CAPED WOULD BE INCREASING BY -- BY $100,000. AND WE DO SO -- WE DO SO TODAY. AND ON THE WAIVER PROGRAM. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY. IDAY NEEDS TO GET INFORMATION FROM HHS. I SKIPPED 10 AND 11 BECAUSE ALL RELATED TO WAIVER. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET'S DO 12 FIRST AND GO BACK TO 11. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHY I DID 12 FIRST. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH PASSING THE AGREEMENT AS IT HAS TO DO WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONTRACT ONLY EXCLUDING THE 11:15. ALL IN FAVOR. DANTE, WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING NEXT WEEK. I DO BELIEVE -- I AM NOT PROMISING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE STATE. BUT IF WE CAN GET IT BACK ON THE AGENDA NEXT WEEK. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NUMBER 11 AND 10. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WOULD HAVE TO TABLE THE SECOND HALF OF 12. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SECOND HALF OF 12. 12 SAYS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER. >>JUDGE CANALES: IDAY TOLD ME THAT THE WHOLE BUDGET -- >> INCLUDES BOTH. INCLUDES THE WAIVERS AND INCLUDES THE -- THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THEY PUT BOTH ON THE SAME AGREEMENT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE CAN -- WE CAN PASS THAT SUBJECT TO VERIFYING THAT IT IS OKAY TO DO IT. RIGHT? SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND WAIT. >>JUDGE CANALES: LET ME JUST SAY THIS. NUMBER ONE, THE 11:15 WAIVER THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IS TO CONTINUE A PROGRAM THAT I IS CEASING IN TEXAS; HOWEVER, IN OCTOBER, YOU ARE RECEIVING THE CHARITY CARE PROGRAM DOLLARS OF $800,000. SO THE PROGRAM -- YOUR REQUEST IS $1.5 MILLION. >> CORRECT. >> IS THE $800,000 IN ADDITION TO THE $1.5 MILLION? >> YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, JUDGE, THAT CHARITY CARE IS ACTUALLY A PROGRAM THAT IS ALSO GOING TO BE BASED ON THE REIMBURSEMENT, RIGHT. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES BEFORE WE GET THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT. WORKS EXACTLY LIKE THE 11.15 THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THE SERVICES FIRST BEFORE YOU GET THE REIMBURSEMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE POINT IS THAT YOU ARE DUE 800,000 IN OCTOBER IF YOU FILE CORRECTLY. A DIFFERENT TYPE OF 11.15 WAIVER. AND YOU WILL GET 800,000. >> RIGHT, SO . >>JUDGE CANALES: I AGREE ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENT. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS FOR ALL GRANTS. WE HAVE TO DO IT AND GET THE APPLICATION FOR REIMBURSEMENT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR INTENTION IS TO GET TO THE $800,000 BECAUSE WE THE COUNTY APPLIED TO THAT AND TRANSFERRED OVER TO YOU THE CITY TO GET THAT 800,000 AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING THIS COURT TO DO IS ADD ANOTHER 1.5 [03:00:02] MILLION. IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES, SO WE ARE ASKING TO CONTINUE THE SERVICE WHAT THE 11:15 WAIVER SERVICES CURRENTLY ARE DOING. THAT INCLUDES DIABETES EDUCATION, A 1C. THE CARTRIDGES ARE NOT CHEAP. WE PROVIDE THE FREE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO ADD TWO TIMES THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY OUT IN THE COUNTY. WE ARE ALSO DOING THE BUS. ALL OF THE SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO THE NUECES COUNTY AND WE ARE ASKING FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE 11:15 WAIVER. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THE EXACT SAME SERVICES WITH THE 11:15 WAIVER. WE HAVE TO INCLUDE WITH OTHER SERVICES AS WELL. THIS IS A MORE ROBUST PROGRAM THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE MORE FUNDING FOR AND $800,000 -- OUR INTENT IS TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD TOWARD THAT. BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE STILL WAITING ON THE SERVICES. THEY WANT TO GET THE TESTS. WE STILL HAVE TO PURCHASE THE SKIDS AND STILL HAVE TO DO THAT. WITHER NO THE GETTING REIMBURSED FOR THE 11.15 WAIVER ANYMORE BECAUSE THAT PROGRAM IS GOING AWAY. >> THE INTERESTING THING THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS AT THE STATE LEVEL WITH WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS EVEN A LEGALITY OF USING PRIOR 11.15 FOR THIS. AND MIGHT BE -- AS YOU HEARD ME SAY EARLIER -- AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DECIDE TOGETHER IF SOME OF THOSE FUNDS ARE BETTER SERVED FOR MENTAL HEALTH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE FACT IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TALKED TO HEALTHY SOUTH TEXAS, AND THEY DID THE EXACT SAME THING. WHAT REALLY MADE ME WORRY, DR. GONZALEZ, WHEN WE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT -- I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE, BUT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN ONLINE. WHEN WE WENT TO DISCUSS YOUR CPI AND GETTING THE 1.7 MILLION, WHICH IS WHO REIMBURSES US. THEY DID NOT GO AS FAR AS TAKE A VOTE, BUT THEY WERE UNBELIEVABLY VOCAL OF NOT PAYING AND NOT REIMBURSING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 11.15 WAIVER PROGRAM. THEY SAID IT HAD STOPPED, AND IT HAD STOPPED. SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS ARE ALL THE ELIGIBILITY FOR THE 11.15 WAIVER. ANDB, TO PARTNER WITH THE HYPERTENSION AND THE A 1C, YES, HEALTHY TEXAS AND TEXAS A&M. NUMBER THREE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THIS COURT SHOULD AT LEAST WEIGH IN A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS' TIME WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THOSE 11.15 WAIVER PROGRAMS WILL BE UTILIZED BY THE HEALTH DISTRICT FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, WHAT YOU SAW HERE THIS MORNING WHICH IS THE MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT. WE JUST NEEDED TIME WE TRIED BUT COULD NOT GET ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM THE STATE IN THE TIME PERIOD. WE THINK IF WE HAVE ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO, WE CAN HAVE THAT IF YOU PLEASE WAIT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE HAVE TO USE THE 11.15 WAIVERS FOR THE 11.15 PROJECTS OR WE HAVE TO SEND THE MONEY BACK. >>THE PREMISE OF THE 11:15 WAIVER TO CREATE A SELF-SUFFICIENT PROGRAM. THE REASON WHY THOSE FUNDS WERE BEING COLLECTED AND PRESERVED AT SOME POINT THIS PROGRAM WOULD BECOME SELF-SUFFICIENT. IT SEEMS TO ME THOSE FUNDS ARE BEING DISTRIBUTED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. WHAT I'M HERE TO REQUEST THE MONIES TO CONTINUE WHAT THE PREMISES OF THE 11:15 WAIVER. >>JUDGE CANALES: ARE YOU ACTING AS AT 11.15 ADMINISTRATOR? >> I AM NOT ACTING AS THE 11.15 ADMINISTRATOR. THE INTERIM, STEVIE. >>JUDGE CANALES: HE IS THE 11.15 EXPERT IS THAT WHO IS HANDLING IT? >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I DON'T THINK IT IS AN ISSUE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL BE HONEST -- THE REASON THE 11.15 WAIVER IS SO CRITICAL TO BE USED FOR REASONS, WE THE COUNTY PAID OFF THAT. THE REASON THE FUNDS ARE SIT IN OUR ACCOUNT BECAUSE THOSE ARE DOLLARS THAT COULD BE USED FOR COUNTY EXCLUSIVE PROGRAMMING MIKE WELLNESS, RIGHT. WE CAN USE THAT FOR ALL OF OUR PARKS. ALL OF OUR PARKS COULD BE BENEFICIARIES OF 11:15 WAIVER. IF WE DON'T HAVE A 11.15 WAIVER PLAN OR ADMINISTRATOR. WE HAD ONE. HE IS NOW AT THE STATE. WE HAD ONE BEFORE. WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE WITH YOU AT THE CITY. AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY. BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT A, WHAT IS THE LONGEVITY OF THIS PROGRAM. IF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS NOT [03:05:01] GOING TO RECOMMEND IMBURSE OR RE-CREATE NEW METHODOLOGY, RIGHT. NEW FUNDING -- NEW FUNDING SOURCES FOR 11.15 WAIVER. WHERE IS THE LONG RANGE STRATEGY FOR THIS? WHERE IS THE PLAN? I DON'T SEE ANY OF IT. I THINK WE CAN WORK TOGETHER DR. DANTE BECAUSE NO DOUBT WE HAVE A CRISIS BUT I WILL TELL YOU IN 30 YEARS NOT MOVED THE NEEDLE ON HYPERTENSION, A 1A AND DIABETES. EVERYBODY IS TELLING US THAT. AT THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL, THEY ARE SAYING YOU BETTER RETOOL YOUR PROGRAMMING. THE REASON THE 11.15 WAIVER IS NOT I HAVE A R AVAILABLE BECAUSE TEXAS -- WE ARE DONE, RIGHT. BUT WITHOUT AN ADMINISTRATOR TO REALLY UNDERSTANDS 11.15 WAIVE WAMD HE TRY -- WE TRY TO GET BACKGROUNDS. WE HAVE GOTTEN NOTHING EXCEPT FOR -- YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME. AND I WILL ASK THAT MAYBE YOU WORK WITH IDAY TO SIT IN ON THOSE MEETINGS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT. IF YOU DON'T THINK MENTAL HEALTH IS A PART OF IT AND IT COULD BE, THAT COULD OPEN AN AWESOME DOOR FOR BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, I THINK. BECAUSE THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR THIS YEAR. BUT TO PUT A CPI OF ALMOST 10% ON THE WAIVER IS NOT -- I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT IS WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR HAS, BUT NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE WAY WE NORMALLY DO OUR BUDGETS HERE. IT IS JUST TOO HIGH. >> MUCH IF I MAY ANSWER TO SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS. I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOT US TO THIS POINT. THERE WAS REALLY NO PLAN ON PROGRESSION. AND THERE WAS REALLY NO FIVE-YEAR PLAN. WE HAVE REALLY BEEN OPERATING THIS DEPARTMENT SINCE MARCH. AND DEVELOPING PLANS. YOU WANT TO SEE SOME KINDS OF PLANNING, TO BE HONEST, NO PLANNING IN THE PAST. THE PREVIOUS LEADERSHIP DID NOT HAVE A PLAN TO MOVE THE PLAN FORWARD WHICH IS WHY WE GOT TO THIS POINT. WE ARE TRYING DEVELOP A PLAN TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS, BUT CURRENTLY SITTING IN THE COUNTY RESERVE. THEY ARE NOW ON THE COUNTY SIDE. WE ARE REQUESTING IS TO CONTINUE THIS OPERATION AS WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO GIVE US SOME TIME TO DEVELOP THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HEAR YOU, BUT I THINK A PLAN -- A PLAN IS IN ACTION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ARE WE IN DANGER OF THESE PROGRAMS NOT BEING FUNDED IF WE DON'T GO FORWARD? I AM NOT WILLING TO TAKE THAT CHANCE. WE ARE TALKING OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE CONTINUING ON THAT WE HAVE THESE 11.15 WAIVERS FOR THAT WE KNOW THEY ARE VALID. >>JUDGE CANALES: THESE GUY HAVE $800,000 COMING THANKS TO US. THOSE CHARITY PROGRAMS ARE CONTINUING FOR THE SAME REASON YOU ASKED IF THIS IS DUPLICATIVE OR NOT. WE NEED TO ACT IF THIS IS DUPLICATIVE RIGHT NOW. NOT ONLY DO YOU NOT HAVE A MEDICAL HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL -- YOU ARE AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST. YOU DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONAL AND DON'T HAVE A 11.15 EXPERT AND QUITE FRANKLY YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN. I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE WORK ON IT. BUT UNTIL YOU CAN SHOWCASE A PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR WITH A MUCH EXPERT AND LEVEL 11.15 ADMINISTRATOR AND A REAL PLAN THAT YOU SUBMIT US TO, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY TO. I REALIZE MY COLLEAGUES CAN COMPLETELY DO DIFFERENTLY, BUT I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT EVER ACCEPT HANDING MILLIONS OF OF DOLLARS OFF WITHOUT ONE IOTA OF EVIDENCE TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE WITH THIS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOUR MONEY IS SAFE. IT IS SITTING RIGHT HERE IN TREASURY. IF THERE IS A PROGRAM THAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED, THEN PLEASE BRING IT FORWARD. BUT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PROGRAMS FOCUSED ON HYPERTENSION, DIABETES AND A 1C. NOTHING AT RISK APT THIS MOMENT. WHAT IS AT RISK IS THE COUNTY OUT HIGH-RISING THE 11.15 WAIVER IN REALLY PRODUCTIVE WAYS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMIT TO WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR US. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY PROVIDING INFORMATION TO US. IDAY ASKED FOR A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT IDAY IS ASKING FOR BECAUSE I EXPECT GET TO -- WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR. RESPECTFULLY. I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID OR I AGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR? >> WHAT I AM ASKING FOR -- THIS IS FOR ONE YEAR, RIGHT. ASKING FOR 1.7 FOR ONE YEAR. I AM JUST GOING TO ASK TO THE -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FOR THE WAIVER. >> I AM TALKING ABOUT THE WAIVER. RIGHT NOW THE CITY IS COMING TO US SAYING ASSIST WITH $1.7 MILLION FOR 2022-'23 OF. >> COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ: THE GENERAL PUBLIC. >> THAT'S CORRECT. [03:10:01] >> WE WANT THE WAIVER FUNDS IN THE SPECIAL REVENUEND TRANSFER 1.7 FOR THEM TO CONTINUE WITH THE WAIVER PROGRAM. UP NEED -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WAIT. THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS PAYING FOR -- >> THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS NOT PAYING FOR IT. THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ASKING FOR 1.5. YOU DEEP SAYING 1.7. >> 175 -- -- ■WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT. WE HAVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THEN THE 11.15 WHICHEVER. WHAT WE JUST APPROVED RIGHT NOW THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THAT IS GOOD. A SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT. UP TO 2 MILLION. WE WILL ASSIST THE COUNTY. THAT IS FINE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PUT THAT ASIDE. 11.15 WAIVER FOR $1.5 MILLION ASK NOW WE -- NOW THE PLAN IS TO UTILIZE WHATEVER IT IS -- THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO TRANSFER THAT FOR THE 11:15 WAIVER WHICH IS THE 1.5. >> THE 1.5. >> THE 1.5. I NEED TO CONFIRM WITH THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES THAT WE CAN TRANSFER THOSE FUNDS TO THE CITY. THAT IS THE ONLY THING I AM ASKING YOU FOR. FOR ONE YEAR. I SPOKE WITH STEVE AND DANTE AND HE JUST SAID, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE MORE WAIVER FUNDS. ENDS SEPTEMBER 0. NO MORE FUNDS. I SPOKE WITH DANTE AND SAID NEXT YEAR WILL BE DIFFERENT -- AS THE JUDGE STATED, WE NEED A PLAN TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THESE PROGRAMS FROM THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE WILL NO THE HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HERE IS WHAT I -- OKAY, SO I DON'T BELIEVE FOR OUR MANAGEMENT HAD A PLAN EITHER. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE SITUATION TOO. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE FORMING A PLAN. I BELIEVE YOUR ENTITLED IN SOME CAPACITY TO THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR 11:15 WAIVER. AND I WILL SUPPORT THAT. BUT I AM GOING TO GIVE HER. UP DO THINK I HAVE TO GIVE HER TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS LEGAL TO TRANSFER IT. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT VIOLATES ANYTHING. IF YOU NEED UNTIL NEXT WEEK TO GO FIND THAT OUT. >> TO TRY TO CONTACT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE CAN TABLE IT UNTIL THE 10TH. MEETING ON A WEDNESDAY AND DECIDE IF YOU CAN TRANSFER AND THEN HAVE THE POLITICAL DISCUSSION. >> THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS WELL. SO THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THE SITUATION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MOVE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WEDNESDAY AUGUST 10 TO GIVE THE COUNTY MANAGER TIME TO. >> IF I GET THE ANSWER BEFORE THE WEDNESDAY, I WILL PROVIDE THAT THE SOONER THE BETTER. INCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL TABLE ITEMS 10 AND 11 AT THIS TIME. THAT IS CORRECT? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE TO I BELIEVE THAT TO A TIME SPECIFIC SO HE IS NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA AND HE DOESN'T HAVE IT SIT HERE ALL DAY AND DO THIS. NOT EVERYBODY'S FAULT. WE JUST HAD A BUSY AGENDA. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL THINK ABOUT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL MAKE THAT AS A MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL AGAIN -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM MAKING IT AS A MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I APPRECIATE DR. DANTE. HE HAS JOB. HE IS DOING HIS JOB. I AM GOING TO BE -- I WILL PUT YOU OUT FRONT, BUT I CANNOT GUARANTEE A TIME BECAUSE OF PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM MAKING A MOTION NUMBER ONE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. PART OF MY MOTION. >> TO A REQUEST COME FROM STEVE THAT HE -- THAT HE REQUESTED THE COURT ALLOW LIKE -- IF I GET THE ANSWER BEFORE NEXT COURT, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IN THE INTEREST. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE SUPPORT IT -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM FINE WITH THAT TOO. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO, BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE MAKING AN INFORMED DECISION. AND FIRST OF ALL -- LOOK, LET'S TABLE IT UNTIL THE 10TH SO WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. I PERSONALLY -- I DISAGREE WITH YOU. THERE HAS BEEN A PLAN. A 11.15 ADMINISTRATOR THAT IS RUDE TO WILMONT AND I PERSONALLY WENT OVER THE PLANS EACH AND EVERY YEAR FOR HIM. AND THERE WAS A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND THERE WAS A PLAN FOR THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THAT I IS FAIR TO SAY THERE WAS NO PLAN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU SAID THERE WAS NO PLAN THIS THEY HAD. AND THE STUFF I WENT OVER WITH HIM I DIDN'T FEEL -- THE MOTION IS JUST TO TABLE. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST TABLE IT AND WE WILL HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE REAL 11.15 WAIVER ADMINISTRATOR. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM IN FAVOR OF SHIFTING THE FUNDS. I WANT A CHANCE OF. >>JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ITEMS 10, 11 AND PARTIAL 12. WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THE OTHER [03:15:02] 12. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND THEY. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ONLY HAVE TEN MINUTES BEFORE OUR RECESS. AND I WILL LOOK REAL QUICK TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT -- FOR THE AUDITOR, COULD WE -- YES, SIR, WHO SAID IT? YES, CONSTABLE. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE PODIUM. >> YOU DON'T MIND. >> I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOUR ITEM IS ON 15? NO, SORRY, FORGET WHAT I SAID. NOT 15. >> IT SHOULD BE 4. >>JUDGE CANALES: 4. CORRECT. ITEM NUMBER 4. >> YES. >>JUDGE CANALES: OFF COMMENT ON THAT. AND THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND HEAR YOU AND ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS WE CAN AND RECESS PER THE COURT'S ORDER AT NOON. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHICH 4? >> I HAD COME TO THE COURT PROBABLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT SOFT CODE. AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WHAT WAS BETTER FOR THE COUNTY AND WHAT WASN'T AND HOW MANY AGENCIES ARE ON BOARD AND HOW MANY AGENCIES WEREN'T ON BOARD. SENSE THEN, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COURT AND LET THEM KNOW THAT NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEHIND US, PRECINCT 1 BEHIND US, THE PRECINCT 5 BEHIND US, ALL THE JPS BEHIND US, IT BEHIND US, ALL IN FAVOR OF IMPLEMENTING SOFT CODE AS OUR CIVIL PROCESS PAPERWORK HUB, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS. FORGIVE ME. I JUST GOT OFF VACATION AND I DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS WITH ME. I BELIEVE THE NUMBER WAS 3 -- I BELIEVE 360 OR 370. SOMEWHERE AROUND THOSE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL GET YOU THE RIGHT NUMBER A SECOND. >>THE SYSTEM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE THAT PRECINCT 2 USES AND PRECINCT 4 USES ARE 30-YEAR PLUS PROGRAMS. THEY ARE END OF LIFE. WE HAVE NO PROGRAMS IN PLACE OR EVEN LOOKING TO TAKE THEIR PLACE. IF OUR SYSTEMS GO DOWN, WE LOSE EVERYTHING IN OUR DATABASE IS. WE CAN'T SEARCH WHAT PAPER GOES TO WHERE, WHO IT CAME FROM, WHAT JUDGE ISSUE TO IT OR RETURNS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO CONSTABLE, AGAIN, ONLY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. TELL EVERYBODY WHAT SOFT CODE IS. AND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WHEN YOU LAST CAME, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS WE WERE ASKING FOR, HEY, WHO REALLY SUPPORTS THIS. >> CORRECT. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOW YOU HAVE EVERYBODY ON POORDZ. REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT IT IS AND THE ASK AROUND $360,000. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUDGE, I THINK WE VOTED ON THIS ONCE BEFORE. I GUESS SOMEONE ELSE PUT IT ON WITH THE FAVORING SIDE. WE HAD A LONG LENGTHY DISCUSS -- THIS IS ANOTHER HOUR WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT PUT BACK ON UNLESS SOMEONE ON THE WINNING SIDE. >> I WON'T TAKE MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES HOPEFULLY. I JUST JUST WANT A RECONSIDERATION OF THE COURT. I DON'T KNOW THE WAY IT IS -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS NO NOT. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON THE HAGERTY LIST OF ITEMS. FOR STARTERS, COMMISSIONER, EACH COMMISSIONERS HAVE AN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE. SO WHEN HAGERTY'S NUMBER 4, IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF EVERYTHING. AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION WAS BEFORE WAS GO BACK AND SEE WHO YOU CAN GET ON BOARD TO SEE IF THERE IS A NEED. AND I THINK THE COMMENT HERE IS YOU ARE ABOUT TO DO ARPA ALLOCATIONS. NOW HE CAN SAY THAT HE IS NOW DONE THE INVESTIGATIONSES COMMITTEES CHEST JUDGE, THAT WAS YOUR REQUEST, I BELIEVE. EVEN THOUGH ON THAT PARTICULAR VOTE, YOU WERE IN THE MINORITY VOTE ON THAT. I THINK THAT WAS NOT A REQUEST BY THE COURT TO DO THAT. SO I GUESS -- AND IT IS NOT JUST THE ARPA MONEY. IT AFFECTS THE BUDGET, BECAUSE IT IS -- IT IS AN AMOUNT OF $50,000, $60,000, $70,000 A YEAR. BUDGETAL CASINGS. NOT JUST ARPA. I DON'T THINK THIS IS A FIVE-MINUTE DISCUSSION BEFORE LUNCH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. HOW WE HANDLE IT. THE BUDGETARY. NOT JUST A ARPA ALLOCATION. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS COMING UP. I DIDN'T HAVE THIS AS BACK GROUND. AN ONGOING AMOUNT AND THE COURT HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION AND VOTED NO AND NOT HOW WE WOULD DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND IT IS NO THE EVEN ON THE AGENDA. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK HE IS MAKING A COMMENT OF ARPA ALLOCATIONS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T [03:20:01] HAVE ANY BACK-UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS CALLED SOFT CODE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WASN'T A POSTED ITEM SO I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS COMING UP. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT WE WILL DO, CONSTABLE, IS WORK WITH THE COURT MANAGER AND THE SHERIFF AND SEE IF THE SHERIFF -- WE HAVE BUDGET WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK. SO MANY WAYS TO HANDLE IT. THE.I AM TAKING AWAY SINCE WEIGH LAST MET -- SINCE WE LAST MET, YOUR COMMENT WAS THAT THE JPS, ALL THE CONSTABLES AND NOW LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, RECOGNIZE THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS AND YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER THIS AND PLAIN AND SIMPLE. >> I REACHED OUT TO SHERIFF HOOPER WHO DELEGATED ONE OF HIS LIEUTENANTS TO VET IT. AND IT WILL ALSO HELP THEM OUT TREMENDOUSLY. SO NOT JUST ONE PART OF THE COUNTY THE ENTIRE COUNTY WILL BENEFIT. >>JUDGE CANALES: BRING IT UP DURING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP AND TACKLE IT WHEN WE TACKLE THE LIST. IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM, WE CAN TACKLE THIS ON AUGUST 10. THANK YOU, CONSTABLE. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>JUDGE CANALES: ANY BACK-UP DOCUMENTATION, HIGHLY APPRECIATED TO THE COURT MANA MANAGER. >> WANT TO MA ACHE COMMENT BECAUSE NUMBER 4, IT IS ALL ABOUT ARPA DOLLARS AND TRYING BRING THAT UP INSIDE THE GENERALIZATION IS PRIORITIZE ARPA PROJECTS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE WILL DO MORE PRIORITIZATION JUDGE ON THAT ITEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT NUMBER 4 IS ABOUT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: PUT THAT ON. ONE WHERE WE DO MORE MONEY SPENDING OR TABLE THAT ONE. >> WE THIS I DID AT LOVE WORK TO PREPARE FOR TODAY. IT IS IN YOUR PACKET. LET ME LOOK. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A DRAFT ON DIFFERENT STUFF. >> MORE REQUESTS FROM DEPARTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE APPROVED. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S WHAT I AM ASKING. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL DO IT AFTER LUNCH. 11:59. VERY RARE THAT WE ARE THIS PUNKSAL AND RECESS THIS UNTIL 1 P.M. OFF THE RECORD. WE WILL SEE YOU BACK AT 1 P.M. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK ON RECORD AND THE TIME IS 1:16 P.M. AND BACK FROM RECESS. AND WE ARE GOING TO ATTEND TO THE REST OF THE BUSINESS OKAY. [4. Discuss and consider prioritization of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) projects, including projects as set out in Nueces County 2022 ARPA Projects Prioritization Report ; allocation of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds; and related matters.] WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4. WHICH IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PRIORITIZATION OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT INCLUDING PROJECTS TO SET OUT NUECES COUNTY ARPA PROJECTS PRIORITIZATION ALLOCATION OF AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS. AND SO WITH THIS, WE'VE GOT IN OUR -- IN OUR BOARD BOOK TODAY A COMPLETE SET OF INVENTORY FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT AND EARLIER RACHEL FROM HAGERTY WAS ON. BUT I GUESS SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE ARE BACK. BUT I GUESS THE THING TO DO HERE IS TO TAKE A LOOK AND TO SEE THIS NICE SPREADSHEET THAT IS PUT IN FRONT OF YOU. AND WITH -- WITH THE SPREADSHEET, WHAT YOU WILL SEE -- AND I WILL JUST PICK ONE BECAUSE IT IS JUST NICE TO PICK ONE. LET ME TAKE -- YOU CAN TAKE BRRR BRISCO KEY PAVILION. SHOWS YOU WHAT THE BUDGET BASED ON PRELIMINARY INSTRUCTIONS ARE BEING SUGGESTED AND TELLS YOU WHICH ELIGIBILITY CATEGORY IT CHECKS. AND THEN THERE ARE LOTS OF NOTES IN THE COMMENTARY. OF COURSE THIS GOES ON THROUGH ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE ALLOCATION SUMMARY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO DO, COMMISSIONERS, IS -- BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO HELP US, I THINK, IS TO RECOGNIZE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC SECTOR CAPACITY, YOU CAN SEE THAT -- THAT IT HAS BEEN ITEMIZED -- ALL THE FOLKS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ON ARPA, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS KEEPING THEM ON ARPA TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THAT WAY WHEN WE GO INTO BUDGET, WE KNOW THOSE FOLKS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. AND SO I NEED TO -- OH, GOOD. THERE IS TOM. [03:25:03] TOM IS ON. LEA LEATHERBY IS ON AND YOU CAN GET THE PROJECT AMOUNTS FOR THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUMMARY AND MAYBE TOM IS THE BEST WAY TO GO THROUGH IT. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE RETENTION BONUS PROGRAM. WHERE I AM HEADED IS MAKING A MOTION TO KEEP EVERYBODY WHO IS ON ARPA FUNDED IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR WORKFORCE ON AGAIN FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THIS IS A NICE SUMMARY AND YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. AND THEIR LINE ITEM AND HUSH NOW AND MOVE IT ON TO TOM. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUDGE, CAN I ASK YOU IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. SO I THINK WE HAD ABOUT $17 MILLION GOING INTO TODAY. WE SPENT FIVE AND 12 SOMETHING. THE QUESTION IS WHERE IS THE BEST SUMMARY OF THOSE PAID THROUGH ARPA THROUGH THE PUBLIC SECTOR WORK FORCE AND HOW CAN WE GET THAT TOTAL. >> RACHEL, DO YOU HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER. RACHEL HAS BEEN WORK THAT NUMBER WITH DALE. THE ARPA FUNDS FOR MEDICAL EXPENSES. IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THAT, THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TOO. >> I HAVE THE STAFF FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR. THAT WAS THE $715,000 INCLUDED IN THE SPREADSHEET SUMMARY PAGE INCLUDED IN THAT PROPOSAL PAGE 1. >>JUDGE CANALES: 3.2. .IF YOU WILL LOOK AT YOUR SUMMARY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IN THE ALLOCATION SUMMARY? >>JUDGE CANALES: YES. AND 3.2 IS EVERYBODY ON AND COMMISSIONER CHESNEY WANTS TO KNOW WHEN TO FIND THE M.E. PIECE OF IT OR IS IT INSIDE OF THERE? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OR ALLOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WE MADE THAT AS A MOTION PRIOR. >>JUDGE CANALES: CORRECT. HE DOESN'T MEAN INFRASTRUCTURE. HE MEANS PERSONNEL, RIGHT, COMMISSIONER? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CORRECT. THE -- YEAH, WE HAD MADE THE MOTION TO PAY FOR THAT. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT MOTION, BUT IT WAS TO PAY FOR THE DEPUTIES AND THE EXTRA DEPOSIT, SOME OF THOSE THINGS -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS IN THERE. >> FOR THE DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER IS INCLUDED IN THAT 17. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAY THAT AGAIN. >> THE 130 APPROVED FOR THE DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER IS INCLUDED IN THAT TOTAL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: GOING FORWARD, IF WE MAKE THAT MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: INCLUDED IN THE 715. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE CAN BACK THAT OUT BECAUSE WE ALREADY MADE THAT MOTION AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CORRECT. OF THE 715, YOU ARE 130 IS IN TH THERE? >> YES, SIR. >> IN ADDITION, JUDGE, THE MONEY GOING FORWARD FOR THE POLICE -- THE SHERIFF CADETS WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN BECAUSE THAT PROJECT CAME ABOUT AFTER THIS DOCUMENT WAS CREATED. >>JUDGE CANALES: UNDERSTOOD. I SEE ANOTHER LINE ITEM AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THAT OR DO ONE AT A TIME. I WAS SUGGESTING COMMISSIONERS THAT EVERYBODY WHO IS ON ARPA THIS YEAR THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW A LOT OF 715,472. WE KNOW WHEN WE GO INTO BUDGET, THOSE ARE FUNDED SALARIES AND OF COURSE THE BACK-UP DOCUMENT IS HERE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND SO -- AND THE FRS, THAT IS NOT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS THE. TOTAL WITH CONTINGENCY PLAN WAS $9 MILLION. I THOUGHT THE LAST ONE WAS 17. HELP ME OUT, RACHEL. WHAT AM I NOT READING ON THIS? >> TOM, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN HERE TOO. THE $17 MILLION IS THE TOTAL THAT WAS ALLOCATED PRIOR TO THE JULY 7 COURT DATE. [03:30:07] AFTER THAT COURT DATE WE RECEIVED A TOTAL HISTORICAL FUND ALLOCATION REMAINING AT 6.8 MILLION. WE INCLUDED A FEW CONTINGENCY OPTIONS TO HAVE MONEY MOVING FORWARD FROM THAT PROGRAM TO ACCOUNT FOR OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND FEDERAL MATCHING OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONTINGENCY PLANNINGS FOR UNANTICIPATED EMERGENCY COSTS OR ITCH COVID-19 AND 1 MILLION FOR POSITIONS MOVING FORWARD. MUCH. >> THE TOTAL REMAINING FOR CONTINGENCIES IS 9.3. BUT WITH THE APPROVALS YOU MADE THIS MORNING, THE $5 MILLION NOR THE RESTORATIONAL AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IF YOU MOVE FORWARD FOR THE $417 MILLION FOR FUNDING THAT PUTS US 11.1 MILLION REMAINING. ? >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU MEANT 715,000. WE KNEW WHAT YOU MEANT. YOU SAID MILLION. >> 715,000. >> WE BUILT IN CONTINGENCY FOR THOSE POSITIONS AND YOU WOULD BE FUNDING THOSE POSITIONS THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY THAT WE HAVE THAT WHICH WERE RECOMMENDING AND WOULDN'T NECESSITATIVELY IMPACT THE BOTTOM LINE HERE. >> THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO. ON JULY 7 -- CONNIE TELLS ME I NEED TO TALK INTO MY MIC MORE. I SAID THIS MORNING. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I NEED TO MAKE SURE I DID IT. WE WILL PRIOR TO 7/6. SO SO I GUESS WHAT I AM NOT KNOWING THE 1.5, THE 5 AND THE 1, THINGS THAT YOU JUST STUCK IN AND WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON YET? >> CORRECT, SIR. LET'S BACK UP JUST BRIEFLY AND EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THIS DOCUMENT. THE FIRST PAGE WE ARE LOOKING AT IS A SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING ALLOCATED AND APPROVED BY THE COURT TO DATE. AND THEN THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE -- IN THE FIRST LINE ITEMS AT THE FIRST SUMMARY LINE ITEMS TOWARD THE BOTTOM. YEAH, IF YOU WILL MUCH SCROLL BACK DOWN. ALLOCATION REMAINING. OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED BY THE ACTIONS OF THE COURT TODAY WITH REGARD TO MENTAL HEALTH. THE ITEMS BELOW THAT TOTAL SLF FOR ALLOCATION REMAINING LINE ARE THE -- ARE SUGGESTED CON I THINK IT AGAIN CEASE THAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING JUST TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY MOVING FORWARD KNOWING SOME OF THE LIKELY PRESSURES THAT WILL COME ON THE FUNDS, BUT YOUR BOTTOM LINE NUMBER IS THE BLUE NUMBER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMARY COLUMN MINUS THE AMOUNT -- THE $5 MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATE THIS MORNING. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT BLUE NUMBER, RIGHT. NOT BLUE ON MY PAGE. THE FIRST BLUE NUMBER, THE TOTAL, THE 16.8. BECAUSE 1, 5, THE 5 AND THE 1 IS UP IN THE AIR UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WE NEED TO DO THAT. >> CORRECT. SO 16 -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SOMETHING CAME OFF FROM 17.68. >> CORRECT, IS. THAT NUMBER MINUS THE $5 MILLION YOU SPENT THIS MORNING. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ON MY NUMBER ON JULY 11 WITH THE SPREADSHEET, 17,678, 324. CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN 7/7 AND NOW THAT GOT IT TO THE 16,861 BECAUSE ABOUT A 800,000 TO 900,000 DIFFERENCE WHAT RACHEL SENT ME ON THE 7TH OF JULY AND THAT NUMBER. >> WAS JUST -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CLEANUP. >> RECONCILIATION THAT WENT ON WITH RACHEL AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS THAT HAD BEEN FUNDED THAT PERHAPS HAVEN'T BEEN CAP CHRED BEFORE. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT IS NOT EXACTLY A HARD NUMBER. BECAUSE WITH THE STAFFING. ALL OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED STAFFING WAS USED DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR AND MORE MONEY COMING BACK INTO THE POT. >> 7TH OF JULY. . >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE GETTING AN ECO, CONNIE. >> I THINK -- SOMEBODY HAS THE WEB WITH. [03:35:03] >>JUDGE CANALES: IF EVERYBODY ONLINE WILL MAKE SURE THEY ARE USING ONE DEVICE, IT WILL HELP US. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET ME TRY AGAIN. IS THAT ECHOS. SOUNDED CLEAR. OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. RECONCILIATION. THE OUR NUMBER IS REALLY 11,869,172 AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO ANY OF THOSE CONTINGENCIES AND WHAT THE JUDGE IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING ALL THE PEOPLE FROM, THAT WE DID ON ARPA AND KEEPING THEM ON ARPA WHICH I LIKE AND NERVOUS TOO BECAUSE KICKING DOWN IT ONE MORE TIME. DO WE DO ALL OF THEM, HALF OF THEM. BE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE. I AM THROWING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING SOME. I AM JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THIS MEANS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WE WILL HAVE A $5,000 OR $6,000 -- >> COMMISSIONER, IF I CAN COMMENT ON THAT EXACT POINT. WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. AND I, TOO, ARE VERY CONCERNED OF THE IDEA OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND FACING A CLIFF IN TERMS OF HOW ARE THESE POSITIONS ABSORBED AT THE END OF ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR. AND MY VERY STRONG RECOMMENDATION AND SOMETHING WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER JUICE INDUCTIONS IS WHAT WE CALL A GLIDE PATH APPROACH WHERE THE FIRST TWO YEARS POSITIONS ARE FUNDED AT 100%. AND THE SECOND -- YOU BUILD INTO THE ARPA ALLOCATION THAT THE THIRD YEAR IS FUNDED AT MAYBE 60%. THE FOURTH YEAR FUNDED AT 40%. AND THE GENERAL FUND HAS TO APPROVE THE FULL FUNDING IN YEAR 5, AND THAT ALLOWS THE ABILITY TO TRANSITION SOFTLY AND QUITE HONESTLY TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHICH POSITIONS NEED TO BE RETAINED AND WHICH MAYBE CAN BE FUNDED FROM OTHER SOURCES. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IS THIS YEAR TWO OR THREE? THIS IS YEAR TWO. >> YEAR TWO. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS THIS YEAR, BUT DO WE HAVE THESE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO SPEND? WE GOT THEM THROUGH 26. YOU ARE SAYING GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT A MOTION NOW TO KEEP IT FULLY FUNDED THIS YEAR AND GO DOWN IN YEARS THREE, FOUR AND FIVE. 60%, 40%, 20% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING? >> SOMETHING ALONG THAT MODEL. THE DETAILS CAN BE WORKED OUT AND DALE WILL HAVE TO RUN THE NUMBERS WHAT EXACTLY THAT WILL MEAN BADGE TARLY. BUT I THINK ADOPTING A MODEL LIKE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE SMART WAY TO GO IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE -- THAT CLIFF THAT YOU ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE WILL JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE SET ASIDE THOSE MONIES AND THIS WILL ALSO -- WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS FOR YEAR TWO, THAT WILL TAKE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 500 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND OFF THE BOARD, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THREE, FOUR AND FIVE ARE, AND THAT WILL COME OFF THE BOARD TOO AND TAKE THAT OFF THE SIDE AS CONSIDERED SPENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK THAT IS WHAT HIS -- THAT IS WHAT THAT FUNDING FOR FY -- TOM, IS THE MILLION DOLLARS -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHERE? OH. >>JUDGE CANALES: DO YOU CONSIDER THAT THIS. >> THAT WAS OUR CONTINGENCY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. >>JUDGE CANALES: GOT IT. >> BEFORE WE HAD THE STAFFING COST FULLY RECONCILED. WE CAME IN BELOW THAT TO FULLY FUND THEM. THAT WAS AN OVERESTIMATED CONTINGENCY THAT WAS HELPFUL IN THIS CASE. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY CREATE AN ADEQUATE FLIGHT PATH BY SETTING ASIDE THE FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR. AND THEN ANOTHER OF ONCE OVER THE FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR. BUT THEN WE CAN BREAK THAT DOWN INTO TWO TO THREE YEARS OF REDUCED FUNDING AMOUNTS. SO IF WE WERE TO SET $507,000 FOR THIS YEAR AND $750,000 FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS IN REDUCING AMOUNTS, THAT WILL PROBABLY COVER US IN TERMS OF CREATE THAT SORT OF SOFT LANDING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WILL BE ANOTHER CATEGORY ADDED IN. WE HAVEN'T PASSED THAT THREE ANYWAY, JUDGE. WE CAN CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE AND BE FINE. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND THEN IN THE SAME CONVERSATION, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 715, IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 7:15. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE DA'S OFFICE WHEN WE DID THE 20%, 10% CAME FROM REGULAR BUDGET AND 10% CAME FROM ARPA. SO THAT WILL BE A SECONDARY CONSIDERATION TODAY. SO MY THOUGHTS TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WOULD THAT BE SECONDARY OR INCLUDED? >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU CAN DO THAT BUT IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM BECAUSE IT WAS FUNDED THROUGH A DIFFERENT SECTOR, TOM. ONE IS A RETENTION BONUS PROGRAM [03:40:03] AND THE OTHER IS A PUBLIC SECTOR GRAPH PROGRAM AND DIFFERENT IN THE DESCRIPTION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: REMIND ME, WAS THAT INTENDED AS A LONG-TERM OR A ONE-TIME BONUS. >>JUDGE CANALES: FOR THE DA'S, IF YOU GO BACK ON THE 10%, WE MIGHT HAVE A RIOT THERE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE GAVE THEM TEN. >> AND GENERAL FUN PLAYED 5% AND ARPA PAID 5%. GAVE THEM A 10% RAISE AND ARPA PAID 5% AND GENERAL FUND PAID 5%. ALWAYS IN THE GENERAL FUND AND DO WE WANT TO REIMBURSE PART OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR 5% NEXT Y YEAR. >>JUDGE CANALES: IF WE DON'T DO IT, IT WILL BE A BIG HIT TO THE BUDGET. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM NOT SAYING -- WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, JUDGE, INCLUDE THAT IN THE 500 NUMBER -- WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS AND DO THAT TOO. >>JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHERE I WAS TRYING TO HEAD TO BEFORE WE START LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS, WANT TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY THAT IS ACTUALLY USING ARPA THAT INCLUDES -- DOING A LITTLE RECAP. THAT WILL BE PEOPLE LIKE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S SPECIAL LAWYER OF. WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL -- >> START OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS ON THE 9TH AND 10TH. A RECOMMENDATION FOR ARPA WHICH IS THE CURRENT POSITIONS AND ADD NEW POSITIONS AND START TALKING ON THE 9TH AND TALK ABOUT IT NOW. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK IT WOULD HELP YOU TO KNOW THAT THE COURT'S WILL WILL BE TO EVERYBODY ON ARPA TODAY IS IN ARPA THIS FISCAL YEAR AND MAYBE HAVE BACK IN GLIDING SCALE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT -- SLIDING SCALE OR GLIDING SCALE THEN TO SAY HOW MUCH IF WE WERE TO DO THIS OVER TIME AND EASE INTO ABSOR ABSORPTION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, BUT THE CONCEPT IS GOOD, IN MY OPINION. IF THE CONCEPT CAN BE -- MAYBE IT IS 80% THIS YEAR OR 60, 40, 20, JUMPING OFF THE CLEF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER IS. I LIKE THE CONCEPT. WHATEVER THE COURT IS COMFORTABLE WITH ON THE CLIFF, THAT IS A GOOD ANALYSIS OF IT. THEN I AM OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT. >> I THINK WE NEED A PERCENTAGE THIS YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO SOMETHING -- >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: NOT 100%. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LIKE 80, 60, 40, 20. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE GOOD NEWS IF YOU DON'T FULLY FUND THIS YEAR, YOU ARE GOING TO ADD THAT TO A CONTINGENCY LIABILITY WHICH YOU MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE WHEN YOU SEE YOUR WORKSHOP. WHAT WE COULD DO IS DO 830% TODAY IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT AND ADD 20% TOMORROW. I THINK WHEN YOU SEE YOUR BUDGET, YOU WILL WANT YOUR 100%. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I AM ALWAYS. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU ARE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. I DON'T HAVE >> YOU SEE THINGS WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. SO IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT WILL BE A ROUGH BUDGE CHALLENGE, LET'S DO 100 THIS YEAR AND GO 60, 40, 20 AND DO A BIG JUMP NEXT YEAR. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS GROWTH. AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TACKLE IT IN TWO YEARS, BUT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT THIS YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: FAIR ENOUGH. IF THAT IS OKAY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION TO FULLY FUND DA AND . >>JUDGE CANALES: WHOEVER IS ON IT. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHOEVER IS ON IT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TWO LINE ITEMS. BOTH LINE ITEMS. FULLY FUND BOTH LINE ITEMS ON IT THIS YEAR AT 100%. AND THEN GO 60%, 40%, 20% IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS AND SET THAT MONEY ASIDE BASED ON WHATEVER DALE'S CALCULATIONS ARE FOR THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AGREE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WILL BE MY MOTION. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SECOND. TOM, THAT MEANS GETTING A GOOD CALCULATION, BUT YOU HEARD -- I HOPE YOU HEARD HIM. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW, JUDGE ON -- BECAUSE NOW WE ARE AT -- WE WERE AT 11,861. 11,861. AND WE JUST DID -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL TAKE A MILLION BECAUSE ON THIS ONE 935. TOTAL OF 935,000. >> PLUS WILL BE MORE THAN A MILLION, JUDGE. PLUS THE 60, 40 AND 20. I DON'T KNOW HOW. [03:45:03] >> LIKE TOM WAS SAYING PUT THE 714,000 IN THERE. A LOT OF THE POSITIONS DIDN'T GET FILLED. AND SAVINGS THERE. A MILLION, MILLION FIVE IS A FAIR NUMBER. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET'S JUST SAY FOR SAKE OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION, A MILLION FIVE. >>JUDGE CANALES: OVERLY SAFE AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK INTO THE POT. >> THAT WILL TAKE US DOWN TO 10,161.00 -- 10,161,000 LEFT TO DO OTHER THINGS TODAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUDGET WORKSHOP. WHEN YOU SEE YOUR PACKET IT WILL BEIZE IDENTIFY FOR WHATEVER THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS ARE. >> COMMISSIONERS, IF I CAN MAKE ANOTHER POINT OF THE CONTINGENCIES. THERE ARE VERY FEW JURISDICTIONS IN THE COUNTRY THAT ARE SPENDING DOWN TO ZERO RIGHT NOW PRECISELY FOR SOME OF THESE REASONS. LEAVING A CONTINGENCY BUFFER IS A VERY STRONG RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT. WE GENERALLY RECOMMEND A 10% CONTINGENCY GOING INTO YEAR TWO. YOU RECEIVED THE SECOND TRENCH OF FUNDING WHICH MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE REWARDS AND THE NEEDS THAT THE COUNTY HAVE. I WILL URGE YOU TO MAINTAIN A CONTINGENCY THAT IS UNALLOCATED WITH FLEXIBILITY INSTEAD OF CUTTING A PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AND THAT'S -- I THINK THAT IS A GREAT RECOMMEND STATION AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING ON THIS. I THINK IT IS A GREAT RECOMMENDATION. DO WE WANT . >>JUDGE CANALES: I FELT LIKE ANYTHING, YOU TAKE BABY STEPS -- THEY ARE NOT BABY BUT GIANT. TAKING GIANT STEPS THAT WHEN WE GO IN BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT DALE KNOWS THAT IS COVERED. IT IS HUGE. CHANGES ALL THE NUMBERS. I THINK IT IS INVEST HELPFUL. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT IF WE SAID -- MADE A MOTION TO SET ASIDE $5 MILLION IN THE CON I THINK IT AGAIN SEE THAT WILL LEAVE $5 MILLION TO DO OTHER PROJECTS WITH? >>JUDGE CANALES: YEAH, I THINK THAT IS SMART. THE OTHER THING I THINK YOU WILL SEE IS ONCE WE GET INTO BUDGET. AND I WILL JUST GENERALLY TALK ABOUT IT -- WAIT A SECOND, I HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT. LET'S ASK FOR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. THIS IS JUST ON THE PERSONNEL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. WHEN COMMISSIONER MAREZ COMES IN WE WILL ASK HIM OUT OF COURTESY OF. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT WAS 1.5. 10.1. THROWING THAT BACK OUT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ONLY THING I WANT TO STRESS HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I AM STRUGGLING BECAUSE I THOUGHT I SAW IT EARLIER AND NOW I DON'T. THERE ARE SOME CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE -- WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS TODAY BUT I AM SHOWING IT OUT THERE. CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE THAT THE DA -- SCRATCH -- THAT THECA NEEDS, THEME NEEDS. HELP ME OUT, JEN, SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN I ASK, JUDGE, ARE WE OKAY WITH THE $5 MILLION FOR THE CONTINGENCY. >> CON BEGINNING AGAIN SEE MEANS ANYTHING. >> SET ASIDE $5 MILLION AS RECOMMENDED BY OUR CONSULTANT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING EYE. >> PUBLIC DEFEPDZER. >>JUDGE CANALES: I KNEW IT. THREE ITEMS THAT HAGERTY HAS BEEN LOOKING AT TO ASSIST THREE DIFFERENT REQUESTS THAT REALLY AREN'T WANTS MAY NOT SOUND LIKE THIS AND TECHNOLOGY IS GREAT AND WANT IS NOT A NEED. THERE ARE THREE. THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE THAT GRANT, SO SMALL. JENNY'S OFFICE NEEDS IT AND MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE NEEDS IT. IF I AM THINKING OF HIGH-LEVEL PRIORITY, THOSE THREE ITEMS WILL BE REALLY GREAT. NOW DALE HAS SUGGESTED USING SOME DOLLARS MAYBE BESIDE ARPA. I LOVED THE IDEA, DALE, UNTIL THE MOTION THAT THE COURT MADE FOR SALE OF ASSETS WAS 35% GENERAL FUND, 65% COASTAL PARKS. I NEEDED TO ASK YOU IF THERE WAS SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO BUY THE SOFTWARE IF THE COURT WANTED TO USE THE 35% FROM THE SALE OF ASSETS. AND IF YOU COULD BRING THAT [03:50:03] BACK. WANTED TO USE ARPA DOLLARS TO HELP ALLEVIATE THOSE THREE SOFTWARE NEEDS AND DOES NOT COME FROM DARYL'S I.T. STUFF. WANT YOU TO KNOW CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, HIGHQ FOR JENNY DORSEY'S OFFICE. DON'T KNOW FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER. >> DO WE KNOW THE COST? >> YES, WE DO. TOM HAS THE COST FOR HIGHQ. >> JUDGE ON THE HIGHQ SOFTWARE, IT IS VERY REASONABLE. THERE IS A -- IT SEEMS LIKE GOES $70,000 A YEAR. AND WE EXTENSIVELY VETTED THIS WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY RUNNING. THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TECHNOLOGY TO MANAGE THEIR CASELODE, WHATEVER IS OVER. THIS IS A REASONABLE SOLUTION AND I HAVE IMPLEMENTED THESE. AND INDUSTRY LEADING SOLUTION THAT INTERFACE WITH ALL THEIR OTHER TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY USE. WE DID AN ELIGIBLE REVIEW. SO THIS A PRETTY TIGHT PACKAGE AND WOULD BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. >> SO THAT WOULD BE GO IN THE BUDGET THEN, RIGHT. >> WHAT I WAS WONDERING COMMISSIONER, THE SAME PRINCIPLE. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GET NEXT YEAR COVERING AND THEN GO OFF THE CLIFF AGAIN. ONCE WE GET INTO BUDGET, I AM GOING TO SHOWCASE TO YOU THAT, LIKE ANYTHING, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHICH ABATEMENTS ARE COMING OFF LINE. WHAT YOUR NEW GROWTH. WE HAVE TOE REALLY SCALE IT. YOU HAVE TO MANAGE IT OFF IN THE LONG RUNGE. >> I AM NERVOUS PUTTING MORE STUFF ON THE CLIFF. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T KNOW IF JENNY CAN DO IT -- I DON'T KNOW ANY LAW FIRM -- NOT MINE, MOST LAW OFFICE HAVE CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SAY ON THIS ONE, ARE ANY OF THESE NEW ONES, NEW SUGGESTIONS. WE CAN JUST PAUSE ON THIS TOO IF WE -- TO THAT POINT. WE CAN SAY ONE YEAR, JUDGE, ON THIS ONE AND THAT ONE WE JUMP OFF THE WHOLE CLIFF AFTER FIRST YE YEAR. >>JUDGE CANALES: DALE WILL TALK TO YOU LEADER. I AM NOT JUMPING AT THE BIT BECAUSE WE WILL NEED TWO MORE. UNLESS YOU ARE HERE TO RECOMMEND THAT YOUR SOLUTION CAN PAY FOR ALL THREE. IF THAT IS THE CASE, DON'T HESITATE TO LET US KNOW. >> DEPENDS ON THE COST. SOME COUNTY@ASSET VALUES DON'T HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT LIKE SELL FOR THE -- WE DON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT OFFENSE. AS WE DO KNOW, THERE ARE SOME FUNDS LEFT OVER IN 142 AND SOLD PROPERTIES FOR ASSETS AS LOSS REVENUE. SOME OF THAT IS NO LONGER TIE THE TO A BOND ISSUE, BUT I WOULD PREFER WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS PAUSE THEY PROBABLY NEED MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE BUT WE CAN FIND SOME FUNDS. >>JUDGE CANALES: FORGIVE ME, WOULD IT BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO -- DO YOU LIKE ARPA USED FOR HER HIGH Q OR RATHER US WAIT. >> THE LARGEST COST WHEN YOU BRING IN THE NEW SOFT WEAR IS GETTING IT SET UP. ONCE YOU GET IT SET UP YOUR LICENSING FEE. BUT THE VERY FIRST PART OF THE YEAR AND ACTUALLY GETTING STARTED IS A LARGE COST. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO -- MAYBE GOING FROM 50,000 DOWN TO 20,000. I DON'T KNOW THE TOTAL COST OF THIS BUT CONTINUATION IS NOT AS BAD AS THE FIRST YEAR. >> A SET-UP OF ADDITIONAL $7,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR OR SIX. BUT IT'S NOT GOING -- IT IS GOING TO BE A SLIGHTLY INCREASING FEE PER YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN WE MAYBE TABLE THAT UNTIL WEDNESDAY AND COME BACK TO US. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS FINE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TABLE THE WHOLE THING. UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS SOMETHING TO BURN A WHOLE IN THEIR POCKET, I WILL TABLE THE ITEM. >>JUDGE CANALES: I FEEL GOOD. YOU KNOW -- >> THAT WILL GIVE US A CHANCE ON THE 9TH AND 10TH, WHAT I AM PROJECTING ON CONTINUATION OF THE WERE A AL PEOPLE AND WE CAN HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF THAT IS OKAY, JUDGE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM FINE WITH THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE. WE ARE HEADING -- WE DID A LOT TODAY AND WE CAN MOVE ON, BUT DON'T FORGET ON PAGE 8 IS YOUR [03:55:02] BREAKDOWN OF HIGH Q. IF YOU WANT TO GET READY FOR NEXT WEEK ON THAT SEPARATE AS A CLEAN AGENDA ITEM. JENNY CAN LOOK AT IT. KNOW THAT THE BREAKDOWN IS THERE THE TOTAL PROJECT THROUGH 2026 IN 240,000 IF YOU WANT TO JUMP OFF THE CLIFF. >> GIVE IT TO ANOTHER COURT. >> COMMISSIONERS, ANOTHER COMMENT ON HIGH Q. IT IS ON PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC IMPACT AND DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO REVENUE LOSS. AND THE FINAL RULE ALLOWS FOR THIS TYPE OF SOFTWARE TO CLEAR OUT LEGAL BACKLOG AND AN -- PART OF CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR DECISION. AND THEN A MORE GENERAL COMMENT. AS YOU MOVE INTO YOUR BUDGET DISCU DISCUSSIONS. WE WANTED TO PRESENT THIS -- NO THE A PAYROLL OF PROJECTS WE WERE RECOMMENDING TO BE FUNDED. WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE OF CATEGORY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. YOU WILL FINDS A RICH AMOUNT OF INFORMATION ON THEIR PROJECTS AND POTENTIAL ELIGIBILITIES. WE HOPE TO PROVIDE YOU A TOOL ON ALL OF THE PROPOSED PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN USE TO MAKE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD. >> THAT WILL BE REALLY GOOD AND JUDGE, IT IS ABSOLUTELY WITHIN THE REALM OF MY CONSIDERATION ON THIS. BECAUSE IT -- SO LET'S GET ALL THAT SOFTWARE AND BRING IT BACK ON WEDNESDAY AND LOOK AT ALL OF THEM AN SEE WHAT THAT TOTALS UP TO. BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE WORTH KICK IT TO 26. IT IS NOT A BAD. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON THAT NOTE, I DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR THE M.E. I RECEIVED A MEMO THAT HE NEEDS M.E. SOFTWARE BUT I DON'T HAVE THE NAME LIKE HIGH Q. GO PLAINING BACK. ON THE PUBLIC DEFENDER, IT CAN'T BE THE SAME. THE LICENSE. IT IS STILL CALLED HIGHQ. JENNY, DO YOU REMEMBER. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. >> MAYBE 35 TO 4500 DOLLARS. IT WAS VERY SMALL. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY COULDN'T USE IT. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE IT TO BE COMPLETELY PETITIONED FOR ONE THING. I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM OR HIGH Q ABOUT THEM. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST BRING THAT BACK. I AM NOT A PERCENT TO DOING THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: BASICALLY CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE COMPREHENSIVE, IDAY FOR THREE DEPARTMENTS AND MY HOPE THAT SOMEONE CAN INITIATE THE HIGHQ. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MIGHT BE WORTH DOING IT FOR THE EMPLOYEE THINGS. THERE ARE ALWAYS GREAT PROJECTS, BUT ANYWAY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TABLE THE WHOLE ITEM? >>JUDGE CANALES: YES, WE CAN MOVE ON. BUT COMMISSIONER MAREZ IS BACK IN THE ROOM. COMMISSIONER. >>JUDGE CANALES: DID YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THE -- WHAT WE DID WAS SAY EVERYBODY ON ARPA TODAY WILL BE ON ARPA THROUGH THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AT 100%. AFTER THAT IT WOULD GO SLIDING SCALE TO THE BUDGET THROUGH '26, 80, 60 -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: 60, 40, 20. >>JUDGE CANALES: 60, 40, 20. THE REASON FOR THAT IS NOT TO PUT US IN A PINCH. THAT NUMBER WE CONSTITUTED 1.85 UNTIL AND THEREABOUT AND COULD BE LESS. WE ARE GIVING AUTHORITY UP TO 1.5 MILL. IF YOU CAN ADD YOUR VOTE INTO THAT. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: CAST AN AYE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: ON THE CONTINGENCY. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: AYE ON THAT AS WELL. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE REST OF IT. WE WILL JUST LEAVE IT -- DON'T NEED TO TABLE IT. WE CAN PUT IT ON ANOTHER AGENDA. [5. Discuss and consider Supplemental Agreement with Hagerty Consulting, Inc. for disaster response and recovery support; discuss and consider Work Authorization(s) related to ARPA, FEMA, and Infrastructure and Recovery Grant Support.] >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: TRUE BECAUSE WE ACTED ON IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE NEXT ONE -- I AM GOING TO MOVE ON. HAS TO DO WITH TOM AND HIS GROUP. THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH WORK AUTHORIZATION AND RELATING TO ARPA, FEMA, SUPPORT. AND THE END OF A FISCAL YEAR AND IDAY HAS WORKED WITH THEM. WHAT SHE RECOMMENDS SO WE CAN [04:00:02] CONTINUE OUR WORK THROUGH Q 1. >> WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO DO THIS AGREEMENT, BUT I BELIEVE THE THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? >> WHICH ITEM? >>JUDGE CANALES: SORRY, ITEM NUMBER 5. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE SUPPLEMENT AGREEMENT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR WORK AUTHORIZATION IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONTINUE DOING THEIR WORK. WE WOULD NEED A NEW WORK AUTHORIZATION AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME AND SO I HAD IDAY LOOK INTO IT. TO YOU WANT TO IT DECEMBER 31 OR Q 1. >> Q 1, THE FIRST QUARTER. >> SO WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE CONTRACTS WHERE WE WERE USING ARPA FUNDS, AND NEW INFORMATION WE HAVE GATHERED THIS WEEK AS IN YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE. WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THE CONTRACTS FOR THE COUNTY USING ARPA FUNDS AND MAKING SURE THE COUNTY DOES ALL THE PROCUREMENT PROPERLY NOT JUST FOR STATE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT, BUT ALSO THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS. SO WE ARE SAYING THAT ON 2-A-5, WE ARE REVIEWING IT AND IT PROBABLY IS OKAY, BUT WE ARE RESERVING THE THOUGHT -- I WANT TO YOU KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ISSUE THAT WE MAY BE GOING BACK TO DO SOME CLEANUP O ON. >>JUDGE CANALES: MY UNDERSTANDING THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING -- THEY NEED THIS IN ORDER TO KEEP WORKING. WE HAVE BEEN WORK THIS WEEK WITH -- AS I SAID ON GOOD WILL. SO. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO -- SO WE ARE GOING -- THIS IS HAGERTY TO DO SOME WORK. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CPA AGENCY THAT WE HIRED TO DO SOME WORK? I DON'T HEAR OF THEM -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: COLLIER JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT ARE THEY DOING? WHY CAN'T THEY PICK UP FLORIDA THERE AND DO WHAT HAGERTY IS DOING. HAGERTY IS -- THEY HAVE GOTTEN ALL THE MONEY AND GONE. NOW WE GOT TO BRING THEM BACK. HOW -- WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PAY THEM FROM? >> WE ARE USING THE CPA FIRM. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS -- WE HAD A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE AC EQUIPMENT AND THEY PROVIDE ASSISTANCE ON THAT ONE. THEY HELP US ON THAT. THEY ASSIST AS WELL IN AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AS A CONSULTANT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHEN WE ASK THEM, THEY DO WHAT WE WANT. >> HAGERTY IS LIKE HANSON AND ASSISTANT ANA IS HERE -- >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY ARE STILL ON THE PAYROLL OR WE PAY THEM AS WE NEED THEM? I JUST WANT TO SAY IF WE -- THIS ONE HERE, WHAT ARE WE -- SO WE ARE GOING TO USE HAGERTY OR WE ARE THINKING OF USING HAGERTY. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY THEM FROM WHAT BUCKET? >> WE NEED IS RIGHT NOW FOR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: PAY THEM FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO MORE FUNDS TO PAY THEM THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE. >> NO THERE ARE FUNDS REMAINING TO ASSIST. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE WHEN THEY PULLED OUT SAYING NO MORE FUNDS OR WE ARE OUT -- WE CAN'T CONTINUE PROVIDING SERVICES BECAUSE WE DEPLETE ALL THE FUNDS. >> THE CONTRACT JUST ASSIGNS SO MUCH FUNDING FOR THAT AND ALREADY EXHAUSTED. RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO GET INTO NEW CONTRACT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO -- FROM ONE. THAT IS WHY I SUGGESTED JUST TO DO IT THROUGH ONE -- THE FIRST QUARTER. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THROUGH THE END OF DECEMBER, DO YOU MEAN? THE END OF DECEMBER? WHAT IS THE QUARTER FROM WHERE TO WHERE OPINION. THE END OF DECEMBER. WE ACTUALLY TO COVER THROUGH SEPTEMBER. BECAUSE THOSE ARE REMAINING. WE DON'T HAVE FUNDS TO THEIR RIGHT NOW. AND WE ALSO NEED TO COVER FOR THE REMANDSER OF THE FISCAL YEAR, OR THE CALENDAR YEAR, I'M SOR SORRY. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE RECOMMENDATION FOR NEXT YEAR, Q 1. HER RECOMMENDATION IS NOW UNTIL Q 1. Q 1 IS THE -- JANUARY 2023. JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: COST US HOW MUCH HOW THAT ARPA? >> WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL BUT I DIDN'T GET THE DOCUMENTS BACK FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I LIKE [04:05:03] TO KNOW FROM THE CPA COMPANY VERSUS HAGERTY. DOES THE CPA COMPANY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING? I THINK THEY ARE. EVERY TIME WE ASK THEM IF WE NEED THEM, WE CALL THEM AND THEY HELP US OUT OR DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT QUESTION. SO CAITLYN SHUPEY WITH JOHNSON AND WOODS. SHE SAID THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN'T DO THE WORK. SHE HAS A ROLE BUT THE ROLE IS AS A BACK-UP WITH THE AUDITOR. AND WE CAN GET HER ON THE PHONE AND ASK HER THAT. SPECIFICALLY ASKED HER THAT. THE WORK THAT HAGERTY IS DOING. WHEN WE SAY A PROJECT LIKE BOB HALL PIER. $1 MILLION EACH FROM TWO DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS -- WELL, COMMISSIONER AND JUDGE. JUST BECAUSE WE SAYS IT ELIGIBLE IS ONLY WHERE THE PROJECT BEGINS. IN ORDER TO REALLY MAKE CERTAIN THAT THOSE FUNDS ARE UTILIZED PROPERLY. A TON OF JUSTIFICATION AND DOCUMENTATION AND WHAT HAGERTY DOES. THE SAME THING MAKING CERTAIN THAT THE RETENTION PLANS ARE BEING BROUGHT FORTH. THE AUDITOR. THE EXTERNAL AUDITOR IS DOING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FUNCTION. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WHAT IS THE FUNCTION THAT THE AUDITOR IS DOING THAT HAGERTY IS NOT DOING? >>JUDGE CANALES: DALE, CAN YOU HELP WITH THAT? >> WE HIRED THEM TO BASICALLY SUPPORT US. BECAUSE WE KNOW WHEN WE HAVE AUDITORS COMING IN TO AUDIT THE BALANCE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT DOCUMENTATION, THE RIGHT BALANCE. RIGHT ISSUES. THIS THEY ARE COMING IN TO REVIEW OUR GRANTS AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION, THE CONTRACTS, THE BID WRITES. WE ARE JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE THIS STUFF IF FEMA OR THE DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY CAME IN, WE WOULD MAKE SURE WE MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AUDIT. BECAUSE THEY ARE A TRAINED AUDITOR. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY ARE WHAT? >> TRAINED AUDITORS. >>JUDGE CANALES: AUDITORS, YEAH. A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FUNCTION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK WHAT SHE WAS ASKING WAS, DALE, CAN YOU -- WHAT HAGERTY DOES SPECIFICALLY THAT IS UNIQUE THAT HELPS YOU IS WHAT. >> HAGERTY DOESN'T -- COLLIER, JON WOODS ASSISTED ME TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY -- HAGERTY MAKES SURE GOING THROUGH AND WORK WITH WHOEVER THE DEPARTMENT IS THAT IS REQUESTING FUNDS OR WHATEVER, THAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THEIR FINAL ROLES TO MAKE SURE ONCE WE GET THIS THAT COL JESHGZ JOHNSON WOODS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION. AND IF WE ARE AUDITED BY WHATEVER FORM, THAT WE ARE COVERED. HAGERTY MAKES SURE A QUALIFYING EXPENSE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABIDING BY THE RULES AND WHAT THE FINAL RULES STATE. THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHEN WE -- WHEN WE MADE THAT MOTION. SOMETHING TO ADD. THE ADMINISTRATION. WE COULD USE COLLIER, JOHNSON WOODS. WE CAN PAY WITH THEM THROUGH ARPA FUNDS. DID WE DO THAT? DID WE ALLOCATE THAT? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS ON THE LIST. >>JUDGE CANALES: ON THE A OCCASION SUMMARY. JUST SO YOU KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION OF ARPA BY FEDERAL LAW ALLOWS FOR 10% OF YOUR ALLOCATION. SO IS THE REASON THAT CONGRESS DID THAT IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW MUCH ADMINISTRATION -- UNFORTUNATELY, I GUESS NO FREE LUNCH, RIGHT. COSTS MONEY EVEN WHEN THEY GIVE YOU FREE MONEY. SO THIS ADMINISTRATION. THE REASON JOHNSON COLLIER WOODS IS THERE. THINK OF THEM AS THE STAFF FOR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT JUST ON WHAT HAGERTY DOES. IF I CAN MAKE COMMENT. AND I NEED -- I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT IN MY PACKUP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM VOTING ON. I DON'T HAVE ANY HESITATION ON HAGERTY. I STARTED OFF A LITTLE ROUGH WITH THEM. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNICATION WAS THERE. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I WAS GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT I NEEDED. I ADDRESSED IT. THEY IMMEDIATELY CORRECT IT. I FOUND TOM AND RACHEL TO BE EXTREMELY COMPETENT AND EXTREMELY HELPFUL. THEY HAVE HELPED ME ON PROJECTS. THEY HAVE GOTTEN ME INFORMATION THAT I NEEDED. THE COMMUNICATION HAS IMPROVED GREATLY. I AM NOT -- MY ONLY CONCERN TODAY IS NOT IS NOT THAT I DON'T HAVE IT TO READ AND NOT VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOT READ, BUT NO HESITATION OF RENEWING SOMETHING WITH HAGERTY ANYMORE. I DID. I ADDRESSED IT. I AM DO NOW. [04:10:04] AND THEY HAVE A ROLE IN THIS AND I DON'T WANT TO IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TO RELY STRICTLY ON JENNY AND DALE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT EXPERTS ON THIS AND I DON'T MEAN THIS OFFENSIVELY AND I HOPE YOU DON'T TAKE THIS OFFEN OFFENSIVELY. HAGERTY HAS HELD THEMSELVES OUT AS EXPERTS AND I HAVE FOUND IT SOLID. I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT NOT FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAT I DON'T HAVE IT AND I CAN'T VOTE ON SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE AND NOT HAD A CHANCE TO READ. I AM HAPPY TO TABLE IT UNTIL WEDNESDAY IF SOMEBODY CAN GET IT TO ME AND I WILL SUPPORT IT IF JENNY TELLS ME IT IS OKAY AND NOBODY MATERIAL CHANGES. >> THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT AND TOM WILL HAVE TO PIPE UP. THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR FREE FOR TWO WEEKS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NO, THEY ARE NOT. THEY SHOULDN'T BE WORKING FOR FREE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T EITHER. WE CAN JUST DO THAT SO -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: HOW ABOUT I MAKE A MOTION. >> I WILL PIPE UP BRIEFLY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT SENTIMENT. AND, YES, I WILL BE TRANSPARENT. AS YOU KNOW, I DID HAVE TO PARE THE TEAM PACK AND I HAVE NOT BILLED YOU FOR ANY WORK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS BECAUSE I WANTED TO KEEP THIS PROJECT GOING AND WITH ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT GOT APPROVED AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY, WE HAD A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF WORK TO GET READY FOR REPORTING. AND WE WEREN'T GOING TO LEAVE THE COUNTY HANGING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET'S DO THIS. I AM HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO PAY THEM -- MAKE A MOTION TO PAY THEM. >> UNFORTUNATELY THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS OUR CONTRACT -- THIS SUSPECT A NEW CONTRACT. AND OUR CONTRACT IS ACTUALLY UP AGAINST THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT IN THE CONTRACT. SO WE CAN'T JUST TO A NEW WORK AUTHORIZATION BECAUSE THE CONTRACT CAN ONLY BE AMENDED BY WHAT IS CALLED A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. COMMISSIONER, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I APPRECIATE I CAN'T IT THAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A WAY TO GET IS IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS HAPPENING. AND I DON'T -- MAYBE I SAID IT -- SOMEONE SAID IT AND I MISSED IT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IT ADDRESSED THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THE SUPPLEMENTAL AND YOU WEREN'T GETTING PAID. I WOULD NEVER ADVOCATE. I WANT TO FIX IT -- >> UNDERSTOOD. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: STOP WORKING UNTIL WEDNESDAY, OKAY. STOP WORKING. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT HAPPENED WAS LAST FRIDAY WE HAD A MAJOR REPORT DUE FOR TREASURY AND THAT'S WHY WE COULDN'T TELL HIM TO STOP WORKING OR OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE TREASURY REPORT. I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION. TOM, HOW CAN WE CREATE A SOLUTION? >> HERE IS WHAT I CAN PROPOSE. AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND I CAN'T BE YOUR OBJECTIVE CONSULTANT IN WHAT I AM SAYING HERE. SO I AM UNDE-- I AM DECLARING THAT I HAVE A CONFLICT IN WHAT I AM SAYING HERE. PLEASE TAKE WHAT I AM SAYING UNDERSTAND THAT I AM A PARTY TO A NEGOTIATION RIGHT NOW. AND I FREELY DISCLOSE THAT. IF THE COURT WISHES, WHAT YOU CAN DO, THE CONTRACT DOESN'T DEFINE WHAT A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT IS. PROBABLY OKAY FOR YOU TO I DON'T THINK THE ATTORNEY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE AMOUNT OF $10,000 AND WE CAN WORK ON A LONG-TERM AGREEMENT BETWEEN NOW AND WEDNESDAY. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CAME A ROUGH STOP LIKE WE ARE OUT OF MONEY, KIND OF A PERFECT STORM WHERE THE COURT HAD BEEN DELIBERATE IN DEALING WITH THE ARPA ISLANDS AND SPENT 50 MILLION OF THE ALLOCATION ROUGHLY IN ONE COURT MEETING. SOME THAT GENERATED AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK VERY QUICKLY AND THAT COINCIDED WITH MOVING MONEY OUT OF THE ARPA WORK AUTHORIZATION TO FINISH FUNDING ERAP AND WINTER WEATHER. THE ARPA OPERATIONAL BUDGET EVAPORATED OVERNIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: CAN WE GO ONE STEP FURTHER, TOM, AND SAY WE WANT TO ENGAGE IN A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT AND PAY RETRO TO WHAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE. IS THAT DOABLE? >> I THINK WE CAN. OR IF YOU JUST ALLOW US TO BILL WHATEVER REASONABLE TIME WE [04:15:02] SPENT GETTING THE REPORTING DONE ONCE WE GET AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE, I THINK IT WOULD BE FINE. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEN I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE INTEND TO ENGAGE IN ANOTHER SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT SUBJECT TO REVIEW OF COUNCIL AND REVIEW OF US. AND THAT WAS INTENDED TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO THIS EXPIRING AND IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS LEGAL, THEY SHOULD BE PAID FOR THAT TIME RETRO AND MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT IS THE WEIRDEST, DUMBEST MOTION I EVER MADE BUT I HOPE YOU GET THE IDEA. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CLEAN THAT UP, I WILL BE HAPPY TO. BUT HOPING THAT IT SHOWS THE INTENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK THE INTENT IS THERE AND THEN WE WILL BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK FOR REVIEW AND ALL OF THAT. >>. HE HAS BEEN REPORT IT. >> IS THERE A SECOND? ALL NOSE FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. SAME SIGN. ONE NOTE. SO TWO NOS. THREE YES, SIRS, TWO NOS. WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON THAT ITEM. AND JUST AS A RECAP, I KNOW IT IS TOUGH, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT SINCE WE ARE GET INTO BUDGET WORKSHOP TO GET THOSE NUMBERS ON THE ITEMS WE DID DO TODAY CONCERNING STAFFING AND THE SLIDING SCALE. >> JUDGE, WE WILL HAVE THEM FOR YOU FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: RACHEL, YOU CAN KEEP THAT SPREADSHEET UP TO DATE WITH EVERYTHING WE DID TODAY TOO. I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. IF NOT, I LIKE THAT SPREADSHEET, PLE PLEASE. >> SUPER. I WILL PUT MY BUDGET -- MY BOOK BACK TOGETHER. THANK YOU, TOM. JUST LOW GUESS AT THISLY. COUPLE OF AGENDA ITEMS ON ARPA. DO YOU NEED OUR SUPPORT ON THAT? I CALLED TEAM MEMBERS IN FROM VACATION. >>JUDGE CANALES: TABLE -- ITEM NUMBER 14 WAS TABLED WHERE ARPA WAS MENTIONED. ITEM NUMBER 15 WAS TABLED. THE ONLY OTHER ONE IS ITEM NUMBERB 2 FROM PUBLIC WORKS. I WOULD LIKE TO -- REALLY NOT TABLE IT, BUT -- I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS WE JUST PASSED ON IT. BUT THE SELECTION OF CLK ARCHITECTS FOR THE NUECES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER FACILITY. WE ASKED JENNY, YOU, KIND OF EVERYBODY, IT MAY BE THAT THEY GET SELECTED, BUT IT WILL HAVE TO BE DONE THROUGH A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR ARPA. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT A ARPA FUNDING. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: WE ARE NOT DOING IT THROUGH ARPA. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS WHAT HE SAID IN THE LAST MEETING NOT DOING IT THROUGH ARPA. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHAT IS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR $700,000 CHEST ECONOMY FOR THE CLK. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ARCHITECT TYPICALLY HAS 10%. SO IF -- LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR. IF YOU USE ARPA FUNDS, YOU HAVE TO DO THE RFQ, IS THAT CORRECT, TOM? >> ACTUALLY A HARD RFP WITH PRICING INCLUDED. IF IT WAS AN RFQ, PROBLEMS WITH THE FEDERAL PROCUREMENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: EVEN A ARCHITECT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. >> EVEN FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THE SAME EXACT ISSUE WE RAN INTO ON THE FEMA CONTRACT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM WITH YOU. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT USING ARPA FUNDS FOR THAT ARCHITECT, IT DOESN'T MATTER, RIGHT. >> IS ANY FEDERAL FUNDS USED ON THE PROJECT AT ALL OR THE POSSIBILITY, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND USING A FEDERALLY COMPLIANT PROCUREMENT METHOD TO CREATE AN APPROPRIATE PROCUREMENT RELATIONSHIP OP OPINION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU HAVE BACKGROUNDS ON THAT JUST TO SHOW US. THE REASON HE STATED AT THE LAST MEETING DIDN'T WANT TO USE THE ARPA FUNDS THAT HE COULD GO IN DIRECTION BUT YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE. >> ANY USE WILL BE BY THE UNIFORM GUIDANCE AND REGULATIONS ARE SETFORD INCLUDING WHAT SORT OF PROCUREMENT IS REQUIRED FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. TAMPA DOESN'T ACTUALLY DIFFER ALL THAT MUCH FROM HARD CONSTRUCTION. THERE WILL DEFINITELY NEED TO BE A COST ELEMENT IN CONSIDERATION. NOW THE RFP COULD BE STRUCTURED SO THE COST IS NOT THE ONLY [04:20:03] ELEMENT AND COULD BE ONE OF THE QUALIFICATIONS AS LONG AS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S GENERAL PROCUREMENT POLICY BUT COSTS WOULD HAVE TO BE A FACTOR. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: MEANING -- BUT WHAT I AM ASKING IS. ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE NEXTIOUS IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE ARPA FUNDS ON THE CONSTRUCTION THAT EVEN THOUGH WE WOULDN'T USE ARPA FUNDS ON THE ARCHITECT THAT IT HAS TO BE MID OUT. >> YES, BECAUSE PART OF THE FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT. >> IF YOU CAN JUST SENDS US THAT IT MIGHT BE WORTH. JENNY SEEN THAT. >> SOME OF THE NEW INFORMATION FOR US AT LEAST THAT IS CAUSING US TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING UP TO NOW THE WAY WE SHOULD WE CAN DO DEEP DIVE INTO THE PROCUREMENT PROVISIONS AND HOW IT WILL RELATE TO A PORTION OF THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT BEING SPLIT OFF AND SPLITTING OFF AND NOT COMPREHENSIVE FIVELY IS QUITE FROUPD UPON BY THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS ALL WE NEEDED, TOM. [6. Discuss SmithGroup, Inc. professional services agreement regarding medical examiner facility, and related matters. ] I CAN PROVIDE A DETAILED REPORT ABOUT ARPA. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL LET HIM GO. AT THIS POINT. WE WILL GO BACK INTO OUR AGENDA HERE. A AND. I DON'T THINK THE SMITHGROUP IS ONLINE OR ABLE TO COME TODAY. SO I AM GOING TO TABLE -- TABLE T THAT. THERE A MOTION TO TABLE NUMBER 6. MOTION TO TABLE NUMBER 6. WE LOST OUR WINDOW THIS MORNING WITH THEM. MOTION AND A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WAIT. >>JUDGE CANALES: TO TABLE ITEM 6. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHY? >>JUDGE CANALES: BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE NOW THIS AFTERNOON. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: THEY HAVE TO BE HERE? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHAT WERE. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS FROM THEM. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THOUGHT THIS WAS FROM US. WE WERE DISCUSS IT WITH REGARDS TO THE M.E. OFFICE. >>JUDGE CANALES: I WAS GOING TO HAVE THEM DISCUSS THE WORK AND DISCUSS THE WORK. THE MEDICAL EXAMINER CITY'S WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE. TO BE RELEVANT. AGAIN, I WANT TO TABLE THE ITEM RIGHT NOW. A SECOND TO TABLE IT? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: SO TO BE FAIR, IF WE HAD A SECOND -- I DID HAVE QUESTIONS. MY BAD. I DIDN'T HEAR. BU BUT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I CAN TAKE TO EXECUTIVE FOR THE ACTUAL QUESTIONS. MY HOPE WAS TO HAVE THE SMITHGROUP TO TALK ABOUT THEIR WORK AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON WHY THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED WHAT THEY HAD RECOMMENDED. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OKAY SO -- ARE THERE NO SECOND? I HAVE QUESTIONS. >>JUDGE CANALES: I DON'T THINK THERE IS. I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THIS ON, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE DISCUSSING -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING OTHER THAN IF -- >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: SHOULDN'T THERE BE A SECOND TO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE MOTION TO TABLE WOULD MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE DISCUSSION. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: YOU ARE SAYING LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT IT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF YOU HAVE A SECOND ON THE TABLE, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. IF THERE IS NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THIS ON, WHY, OR WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THIS. MAYBE IT WAS YOU, JUDGE, AND THAT'S EVEN IF. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. I THOUGHT WE HAD. IT THOUGHT WE HAD WITH THE MOTION MADE AND VOTED ON DECIDED THE ROUTE WE WERE GOING WITH THE M.E.'S OFFICE. I DON'T HEAR FROM THE SMITHGROUP WHY THEY PROPOSED WHAT THEY DID BECAUSE I HEARD IT. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO PUT IT ON IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT IS ON HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE BEFORE I TABLE IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS ON BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN THE COUNTY WENT OUTS FOR AN RFQ AND HIRE AN ARCHITECT FOR A MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO NO THE PERFORM THAT WHICH WE HAVE SAID. WE SAID WE HAVE $7 MILLION TO CREATE A MEDICAL EXAMINER'S FACILITY WHICH I PERMANENTLY [04:25:03] THINK IS INADEQUATE. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN IS WE WENT THROUGH THE TIME, TROUBLE AND EXPENDITURES TO NOT ONLY HIRE THEM TO DO A MEDICAL EXAMINER'S FACILITY, BUT I THOUGHT AT BARE BONES MINIMUM I WANTED TO HEAR FROM THEM LAST WE HEARD, JUST LIKE WE DECOPED OTHER ITEMS WHERE WE SAY I HAVE A $5 MILLION FACILITY BUT I THINK I CAN MAKE HILLTOP A $12 MILLION FACILITY. SAME THING WITH THE SMITHGROUP. WE WENT THROUGH AN RFQ. WE LOOKED AT ARCHITECTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. AND THE ARCHITECT THAT THE COUNTY CHOSE WAS THE SMITHGROUP FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S FACILITY. WHAT I WAS HOPING TO AT LEAST SAY NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT FACILITY FOR $7 MILLION. OR THEY CAN SAY, YES, WE CAN. IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE A -- I BELIEVE A CONTRACT WITH THE SMITHGROUP FOR THAT ABILITY. NOW THE COURT WAS THE ONE THAT VOTED 4-1 AND 5-0 TO CHOOSE A CERTAIN RENDERING AND WE NEVER FUND IT. NOW WE HAVE SWITCHED DIRECTIONS. BUT WE HAVE A LICENSED ARCHITECT WITH AN EXPERTISE OF MEDICAL EXAMINER FACILITY THAT WE PAID QUITE A BIT OF MONEY TO AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEIR RESPONSE TO -- AND WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE COURT AND WITH THE PUBLIC BY VIRTUE OF THE COURT THAT, HEY, WE PUT $155,000 IN THIS -- THIS ENDEAVOR. AND NOW WE ARE COMPLETELY GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SHOULDN'T WE AT LEAST HAVE THE MOST EXPERIENCE IN THE LAY OF THE LAND WITH NUECES COUNTY AND THE REGION TO TELL US WHETHER THEY CAN DO THE WORK. WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE SRP READY IT EXECUTE AND DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY:THAT IS FAIR. YOU IT IS YOUR ITEM AND YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO PUT IT IN THERE. MY UNDERSTANDING -- I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THAT WE PAID EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE OBLIGAPT TO PAY THE SMITHGROUP. WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO GO WITH THEM ANY LONGER AND IF THE CAUGHT HAD A CHANGE OF DIRECTION WITH REGARD TO THAT AS FAR AS NOT WANTING TO BUILD A $28 MILLION FACILITY AND AGREEING TO AND WE ARE GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIREC DIRECTION. AND WE CAN'T USE SMITH GROUP ANYWAY BECAUSE IN THE ARPA FUNDED PROJECT. AND CAN'T MATTER. WE CAN'T LOSE SMITH GROUP UNLESS THEY ARE SELECTED IN THE RFP BECAUSE A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT. WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, JUDGE. AND YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO IT. BUT PASSED ON CLK BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR RFP. WE CAN'T USE SMITHGROUP EITHER BECAUSE WE WENT OUT TO FOR RUSHINGFP. >>JUDGE CANALES: I HEARD THE RFP PART TODAY. TYPICALLY THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ARE RFQ. BUT THE FIRST TIME IT HAD TO BE A P. I WANTED THE COURT TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE SPENT THREE YEARS AND OVER $155,000 WITH THE GROUP AND THIEF TON OF KNOWLEDGE AND I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA WE ARE WASTING THE $150,000 AND MOVING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WITHOUT ASKING THAT GROUP. IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT. WE ARE THE ONES THAT CHANGED OUR MINDS. THEY HAVE BEEN AT LEAST ASKED, HEY, CAN YOU DO THIS WORK. BUT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. IF RFP, EVERYBODY HAS TO COME BACK TO THE DECISION. AND WE WILL EXPLORE THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE AND HEAR NEW INFORMATION AND AGAIN. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT'S FINE. BECAUSE I AM CERTAINLY GOING TO ADVOCATE THAT WE TABLE ON CLK AND GO ON TO THE RFP. AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. WOULD LIKE FOR TOM AS HE SAID TO DO HIS DEEP DIVE AND TELL US THAT. HE THINKS THAT IS THE CASE, BUT HE WANTS TO DO A DEEP DIVE. BEFORE WE GO ANYWHERE WITH ARCHITECTS, I NEED AN AGENDA FROM HAGERTY TO DO ANYTHING. >>JUDGE CANALES: WELL, HE -- I [04:30:06] AGREE. THE DEEP DIVE IS THE P, RIGHT. THE PROPOSAL AND THE COST. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUST IN GENERAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: HE KNOWS THAT THENEXUS. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WILL NOW SECOND YOUR MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM NOW I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE GOING ON THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE INTELLIGENCE. >>JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. [7. Discuss and consider selecting Hanson Engineering, John Michael, as An Owners Representative to assist with evaluation of both Engineering and functional use concepts for Bob Hall Pier; approve professional services contract, and related matters.] I LOST MY PEN HERE SOMEWHERE. ON ITEM NUMBER 7, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER SELECTING HANSON AS AN OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE TO ASSIST WITH THE EVALUATION OF ENGINEERING AND FUNCTIONAL USE CONCEPTS FOR BOB HALL PIER AND RELATED MATTERS. AND ACTUALLY I RECEIVED SOME UPDATED LANGUAGE -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN FIND THAT. SO IF I MAKE THE MOTION, IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THEN HE JUST CAN FIND IT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS EITHER AND THAT IS MY FAULT. I WAS ABLE TO BE PROVIDED EVERYBODY. SHOULD BE EVERYBODY'S PACKET. IF NOT, I CAN PAUSE. I HAVE IT HERE. I AM READING IT BASICALLY THE CONCEPT IS -- YOU ARE TRYING TO GET PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN A VERY LIMITED WAY TO ASSIST WITH THE EVALUATION OF PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND FUNCTIONAL USE CONCEPTS. AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE WORK WITH THE COUNTY DESIGN CONSULTANT, WHICH I AM ASSUME THAT MEANS JA JACOBS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YES, MA'AM. >>JUDGE CANALES: CONSTRUCTABILITY, IMPACTS AND VARIOUS PIER USER GROUPS F FOR PIER AND OTHER BUILDING COMPONENTS. I UNDER STOOD THIS IN PLAIN ENGLISH. THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A PIER REVIEW. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY SAID NO. ANA SAID SHE WANTS TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO USE THAT WORD. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. BUT THE POINT IS THAT THE FUNCTIONALITY FOR ANYONE LISTENING, COMMISSIONER MAREZ ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER THAT WE RECEIVED MOST OF US -- IF NOT ALL OF US -- HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF INQUIRIES OF A TWO-PILE SYSTEM AND A MONOLITHIC AND ONE PILE SYSTEM. AND JACOBS ENGINEERING TO BE SUPER CLEAR HAS AN EXPERTISE IN COASTAL CONSTRUCTION AND IS OUR EXPERT AND ENGINEER. THE IDEA AS I UNDERSTAND IT COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IN VISITING WITH HANSON'S PRINCIPLE, WE WILL WERE VIED A LAYER -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY IT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OWNER-REPRESENTED I HAVE IT LAY. TO HELP WORK WITH HEM IN ORDER TO PROVIDE COMFORT TO THE COURT QUITE FRANKLY THAT ARE WORKING ON THE SOME OF THE FUNDING PIECES. IF HYPOTHETICALLY SAY THAT A TWO-PILE SYSTEM IS WHAT THE OVERWHELMING -- THERE WAS A HUGE MOVEMENT TO MOVE TO TWO PILES. AND THIS -- LET'S SAY YIELDED AN EXTRA COST OF $1. THIS IS VERY HYPOTHETICAL. AND THAT, THAT -- THIS HANSON, WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING IS BEING ABLE TO EXPRESS WHETHER THAT DOLLAR IS A GOOD DOLLAR, RIGHT. WHETHER THAT -- WHETHER THAT IS A CONSTRUCTION AMOUNT. I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS, WE ARE NOT REPLACING JACOBS. THIS ENTITY IS GOING TO BE ASSISTING JUST IN THE COST ANALYSIS OF TWO VERSUS ONE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS THE WHOLE THING. THE FUNDING ANALYSIS SI WANT AN INSURANCE POLICY IS HOW I LOOK AT IT. I HAVE GREAT FAITH OF EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. I HAVE GREAT CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT I AM PROPOSING FOR THE SKAP COURT TO DO. I AM LOOKING TO ARE AN INSURANCE POLICY THAT EVERY HOLE IS POKED. EVERYTHING IS LOOKED AT SO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT OVERSPEPDZING AND DESIGN IT BETTER USING THE RIGHT MATERIALS. STHP GOOD VERSUS CONCRETE. NOT JUST THE IT IS LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PIER AND MAKING SURE WE ARE NOT OVERSPENDING AND USING MATERIALS THAT MIGHT CORRODE REAL FAST. AND JOHN -- AS YOU KNOW IS INVOLVED WITH THE SURF RIDERS. AND THEY ARE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE EXTRA INPUT. [04:35:07] >>JUDGE CANALES: I GET IT. THE ONLY THING IS AND I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND ME GETTING EXTRA PICKY. EVERYTHING THAT YOU DESCRIBED WE HAVE. I AM NOT NEGATE THAT WE GET AN EXTRA LAYER, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT YOU DESCRIBE IS WHAT THAT PROGRAM MANAGER DOES. YOU LITERALLY DEFINED THE BEAUTIFUL DEFINITION OF VALUE ENGINEERING THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT A VALUE ENGINEERING PROGRAM MANAGEMENT DOES. I NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN BECAUSE THIS EXTRA PERSON EXPECT CHANGE CHANGE THE ENGINEERS. IF HE SAY ARE COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, THIS CONCRETE, HE IS THE ENGINEER. I AM CONCERNS IF WE ARE NOT LIMIT THIS IN SCOPE AS TO GIVING AN OPINION, THE ENGINEER OF -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: AS AN OWNER-REPRESENTATIVE. I AM PROPOSING HIRE HIM AS A OWNER-REPRESENTATIVE WHICH IS WHAT YOU SAID AND READ. SUPPOSED TO BE IN EVERYBODY'S PACKET AND DIDN'T GET THERE. BUT THAT IS IT. THAT IS THE SCOPE AS YOU READ IT AND THAT IS THE SCOPE. AND I WANT THEM TO COME IN AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND POKE HOLES IN EVERYTHING TO REASSURE US THAT THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. AT THE END OF THE DAY. NOT GOING TO CHANGE LEWIS'S RECOMMENDATION BUT WORKING TOGETHER. ARE MIGHT CHANGE WHAT WE AS A COURT DO. MIGHT NOT. I >>JUDGE CANALES: I WILL HAVE TO BE -- YOU GOT A NOT TO EXCEED ON THIS FOR $30,000. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PAID ANY ENGINEERS RECENTLY BUT THAT IS GOOD FOR TWO, THREE WEEKS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A VERY LIMITED TIME FRAME. THAT IS WHY I PUT IT IN THE LOW LEVEL. I COULD HAVE DONE THAT AS P.O. BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT. I COULD HAVE DONE THAT AS A P.O. AND BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND A VERY LIMITED SCOPE. AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL LAST VERY LONG. AND I DON'T EVEN THOUGH. IF I MEAN I SUPPORT IT. IF YOU SAID PRECINCT 4 FUNDS AND NOT ARPA, HEY, I AM DEFINITELY IN. I DON'T MIND AN ADDITIONAL LAYER. I AGREE SHALL TRY NOT TO MAKE CONTRACTS ABOUT INDIVIDUALS BUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ONE PERSON WHO HAS A VESTED INTEREST AND A CONNECTION THAT IS BEYOND A DOUBT SOMEBODY WHO CAN BE AN ADVOCATE THAT WE HAVE KIND OF SPOKEN TO AND HAD RECEIVED CONCERNS AND THAT THE MEDIA HAD COVERED AS FAR AS THE IMPACT OF THE DRAW THAT THIS PIER WILL HAVE AND IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY AND THE NATURE THAT WE CAN PRESERVE OUTS THERE. SO I HEAR EVERYONE'S CONCERNS, BUT IT IS A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT AND A LIMITED SCOPE. IT HAS MY SUPPORT. ESPECIALLY IF IT IS PRECINCT 4 PROJECTS, YOU TELL ME THAT, YOU GOT IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHEN IT COMES BACK THAT IT WILL BE A HUGE AMOUNT MORE TO DO WHAT WE KNOW NEEDS TO BE DONE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO FACE THAT? I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF I THOUGHT FOR A SECOND WE NEEDED THIS, I WOULD SAY, YES. THE ONLY REASON I AM GOING TO VOTE YES IS TO GIVE THE COMFORT THAT THAT SOMEBODY THINKS THEY WANT. ONLY ONE WAY TO KNOW AND THIS IS TO MODEL IT. AND WE HAVE MADE THE DECISION NOT TO MODEL AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT HANSON CAN DO MORE THAN ANYTHING BUT -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE CAN DO. ALL HE IS GOING TO DO IS DOUBLE CHECK SOMEBODY'S CHECK. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ENGINEER -- TO WORK WITH AN ENGINEER TO WORK WITH AN ENGINEER AND WE NEVER -- I THINK IT COULD LEAD TO TROUBLE. AND I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT. AND THIS IT WILL -- IT WILL PRODUCE IN SHORT ORDER CONFIDENCE, BUT I AM -- AM PROMISE YOU THIS IS HIGHLY UNORTHODOX AND I AM WORRIED, COMMISSIONER, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. I REALLY, REALLY THINK THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I DON'T THINK IT IS UNORTHODOX. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO, IT IS. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: CAN WE VOTE. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE WILL DO THAT WHEN I'M READY. >> COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I AM TIRED OF -- TOUCHDOWN. >>JUDGE CANALES: WELL, YOU CAN GO. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: BACK AND FORTH. >>JUDGE CANALES: CALLED DEMOCRACY. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION AND I AM PRESIDING OVER THERE MEETING AND I APPRECIATE THIS. JEN WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST? [04:40:01] >> SUBJECT TO REVIEW GIVEN THE NEW INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM HAGERTY TODAY ABOUT ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH ARPA FUNDING ON ANY PART OF THE PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE ANY OTHER PARTS OF THE PROJECT TO COMPLY WITH THE 20 CFR. I WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO MAKE SURE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IF WE GO THERE, WE HAVE TO REDO EVERYTHING BECAUSE -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO -- THERE IS A SMALL AMOUNT OF ARPA FUNDS ALLOCATED WITH THIS PROJECT, A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. IF YOU DO THIS KINDS OF MOTION YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR EVERYBODY. THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO EVERYTHING? YEAH, IF THAT IS THE CASE, JUDGE AND I NEED TO RECONSIDER OUR ARPA FUNDS BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE INTENT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S RIGHT. WE.SHOULDN'T REALLY BEAT AROUND IT. HIGHLY CONCERNED IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE ARE TOO THAT THE TWO PILES WILL NOT DEVELOP THE WAVES AS THEY ARE CUSTOMED. THE IDEA HERE IS TO -- WE EX-PROSED THAT TO LEWIS AND BY NEXT WEEK. HE REALLY ALREADY HAS IT. HE ALREADY KNOWS WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL COST WILL BE. SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT LATER. BUT I AM CONCERNS THAT BY PUT THIS OTHER LAYER AND SHIP IT OVER TO COASTAL PARKS BOARD, WHO ARE WE DOING THIS FOR. CAN YOU COLLAR THAT HE THAT FOR ME? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WHO ARE WE DOING WHAT FOR? >>JUDGE CANALES: IF IT IS SAN OWNER REPRESENTATIVE, WHO IS HANSON GOING TO REPORT TO? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE COURT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE COURT ABOUT THE COST? BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WE COME IN, THE COST. THAT IS WHERE WE REALLY WEIGH IN. I DON'T WANT HIM HIM REVIEWING WHETHER HE LIKES THE CONCESSION STAND OR NOT AND I DIDN'T LIKE THE WORDING EXACTLY. I READ IT OUT OF COURTESY BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT WAS DELIVERED. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE ONE I SENT YOU. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE ONE ANA ALDRIDGE SPOKE YOU AND LEWIS CLAUSMEYER ABOUT. IT IS THE ONE -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I PUTS IT IN BACKGROUND. >>JUDGE CANALES: BUT YOU CAN'T -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LET ME MAKE SURE. OWNER REPRESENTATIVE TO ASSIST WITH THE EVALUATION OF HE THINKS NEESHG AND FUNCTIONAL USE CONCEPT. IS THAT WHAT YOU READ, TO WORK ON ENGINEERING DESIGN CONCEPTS REASON CONSTRUCTION STRUNGS AND CONSIDERATION OF PIER USE GROUP AND PIER AND OTHER COMPONENTS. THAT IS WHAT I SUBMITTED. >> AND I THINK I DID READ THAT BUT I HAVE WHAT WAS -- WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY SUGGESTED. HANSON SUGGESTED. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: WAS HANSON'S LONG TO ME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE PRINCIPAL OF. HANSON SENT ME AN IS IT S&P AN E-MAIL AND SAID PEE REVIEW. SHE SAID PEE REVIEW. PEER REVIEW TO ASSIST WITH THE DESIGN AND FUNCTIONAL USE. THIS EFFORT WOULD INCLUDE WORK WITH THE COUNTY DESIGN CONSULTANT. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: JUDGE, HERE IS THE THING. I MADE A MOTION TO SECONDS IT TO DO IT AS I READ IT INTO THE RECORD. I UNDERSTAND YOUR RESERVATIONS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE DON'T HAVE A DOCUMENT. THAT IS THE THING. I DON'T HAVE A DOCUMENT NOR ANYWAY. SUBJECT TO SOME DOCUMENT THAT GETS PRODUCED. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU HAVE TO SELECT THEM AND GET A DOCUMENT. YOU DON'T GET A SDOK ULTIMATE -- YOU SELECT AND THEN GOES BACK TO JENNY TO REFLECT HOW THE COURT IS. OF COURSE THERE WILL BE A DOCUMENT AND IT WILL BE -- IT WILL MIRROR EXACTLY WHAT I READ IN THE RECORD. >>JUDGE CANALES: CAN I ASK YOU IF YOU DISCUSSED THIS -- I DON'T KNOW WHY LEWIS WASN'T HERE TODAY. I GUESS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW -- MAYBE HE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO TABLE THAT ITEM. BUT I THOUGHT EVILS GOING TO BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASK HIM OR SHARE WITH ME COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HE CAN WORK WITH? IF HE IS, I AM FINE. SCOTT HARRIS, IF HE IS ON THE LINE. HE WAS IN ATTENDANCE. SOMETHING, SCOTT, THAT YOU GUY CAN WORK WITH? BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE THE PROGRAM MANAGERS HERE PROVIDING LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THIS ITEM. I AM CONFUSED WHO WILL BE CALLING -- IF YOU WANT TO SPEND IT JUST FOR YOU, I GUESS THAT IS OKAY. I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS HELPFUL. I AM WORRY THAT IT IS DANGEROUS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: NOT DANGEROUS. NOTHING IMMORAL OR HAPPENS -- PEOPLE HIRE PEOPLE AS OWNER-REPRESENTATIVES. AGAIN JUST VOTE NO. >>JUDGE CANALES: SCOTT HARRIS, AT LEAST MAKE ME COMFORTABLE. BECAUSE I WANT TO GET US COMFORTABLE WITH THE COST [04:45:03] ANALYSIS AND THE TWO VERSUS ONE PILES. BUT I -- I DON'T WANT TO THIS WITHOUT KNOWING THAT JACOBS -- YOU DON'T PEER REVIEW SOMEONE WITHOUT -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS NOT PEER REVIEW. IT IS WHAT I READ IN THE RECORD. >>JUDGE CANALES: IS JACOB CAN US? >> I HAVEN'T SEEN HANSON'S CONTRACT. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SCOPE OF WORK. LEWIS CLOSMEYER AND I DID MEET WITH JOHN MICHAEL JUST TO -- JUST TO KIND OF GAUGE HIS OPINION ON KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW. AND WITH THE UNDERSTAND THAT HE MAY BE INVOLVED IN IF THE NEAR FUTURE WITH IT. SO I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK ON HANSON'S CONTRACT AND WHAT IS IN THE SCOPE. I DO SAY THAT AGREE THAT THIS EXTRA LAYER. THIS ADDITIONAL LAYER, IT WILL BE -- IT WILL BE EQUIVALENT TO ME GETTING A THIRD PARTY OR SOMEBODY ELSE WITHIN LAN TO REVIEW COSTS VERSUS BENEFITS FOR THE PROJECT. IT IS BEING PROPOSED NOW THAT A THIRD PARTY DO THAT ON A LIMITED BASIS I AM HEARING. SO I UNDERSTAND THE -- THE -- THE REQUEST HERE. AND WHATEVER THE COURT DECIDES TO -- TO DO, HE WILL -- WE WILL WORK WITH HANSON AND JOHN AND -- I THINK JOHN BRINGS A -- A DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE TO LOCAL PROJECTS THAT IS -- THAT -- THAT IS INVALUABLE. SO I DON'T -- YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ARE CHOOSING THE RIGHT PERSON HERE TO DO THIS. IF WE WERE TO DO THIS. SO I AM NOT -- I UNDER STANDS -- I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST. AND I WILL -- I WILL WORK WITH JOHN AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH LEWIS ON THE PROJECT ITSELF. >>JUDGE CANALES: AND LEWIS -- LEWIS DID JOIN. I JUST WANT THE COMFORT SO I CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF -- I ALREADY TOLD THE SURFERS JUST FOR THE RECORD. IT IS GOING TO COST MORE MONEY AND I AM STILL WILLING TO GO OUT THERE AND HELP FUNDS RAISE FOR IT. BUT THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IT PROFESSIONALLY VETTED SEEMS TO BE SILLY, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE TWO MAJOR COMPANIES VETTING IT, BUT IF IT MAKES EVERYBODY FEEL BET TO SPENDS ADDITIONAL MONEY, GO AHEAD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE JACOBS IS GOOD WITH IT. THAT'S ALL I NEED. NOW HE IS HERE. WE BOUGHT JUST ENOUGH TIME. LEWIS, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT IT IS THAT YOU THINK? >> YOU NEED TO UNMUTE. >>JUDGE CANALES: JUST UNMUTE. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD IT WILL COST MORE MONEY AND I AM WILLING TO GO OUT AND FUND RAISE FOR IT -- >> IF YOU CAN TURN OFF YOUR AUDIO. >> HE HAD IT PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND, THAT'S WHY WE HEARD IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: NOW LEWIS. GO AHEAD. UNMUTE AND YOU ARE READY. ANYBODY WATCHING ON YOUTUBE YOU ARE 30 SECONDS TO A MINUTE DELAYED. >> AND THE WEB. >>COMMISSIONER MAREZ: AND THE WEB. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY, LEWIS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANKS. I AM GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK HERE SO I WAS WONDER WHAT WAS HAPPENING. SO, YES, I DID DISCUSS THIS WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY IN THE MEETING THE OTHER DAY. >> YOU NEED TO MUTE THE MEETING YOU HAVE RUNNING IN THE BACKGR BACKGROUNDS. >>JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE GLAD HE IS AN ARCHITECT AND NOT AN I.T. GUY. >> I AM MORE USED TO TEAMS THAN T THAT. I AM JUST GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE [04:50:01] OTHER MEETING. OKAY, IS THIS BETTER? >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: YOU LOOK BETTER. OKAY. WONDERFUL. YES, I DID SPEAK WITH COMMISSIONER CHESNEY THE OTHER DAY. AND REALLY I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HANSON'S ROLE WOULD BE. SIMPLY BECAUSE HANSON IS THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICE. WE FEEL THEY ARE NOT SFECH WATER FRONT WATER FRONT. I HESITATE THEY WERE PROVIDED HAVE MUCH THE EXPERTISE OF CONCRETE PILES, STEEL PILES. WHETHER THERE IS A ONE PILE OR TWO-PILE SYSTEM IN ORDER TO PLEASE THE IS OFFING COMMUNITY. THAT WE ARE APOLITICAL ON. WE CAN GO STHVM EITHER WAY, BUT IF IT GOES DOWN TO WE WANT YOU TO DO IT THIS WAY BECAUSE THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, THAT WILL BE SOME CHALLENGES THERE. SO REALLY SAYING IT IS A PEER REVIEW, FRANKLY I DON'T THINK THEY ARE QUALIFIED TO DO A PIER REVIEW OF THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN, FOR EXAMPLE. CERTAINLY AN OWNER REPRESENTATIVE, A SPECIALIST TO SAY REALLY PROVIDE THE SAME INPUT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN HALLS. WE ARE COMPLETELY OPEN TO. >>JUDGE CANALES: SO THERE IS A -- A HAPPY MEDIUM HERE. THERE IS A WAY -- COMMISSIONER CHESNEY BELIEVES THERE IS ADDED VALUE BY HAVING JOHN MICHAEL, HANSON ENGINEERING, SURF RIDER MEMBER BE INVOLVED. AND YOU ARE SAYING THAT AS LONG AS -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: IT IS NOT A PIER REVIEW. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT IS NO THE A PIER REVIEW. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: OWNER REP WHAT HE SAID. >>JUDGE CANALES: OWNER REP. I AM EXPRESSING WHAT HE IS EXPRESSING. IF HE COMES BACK AND SAYS I DON'T THINK IT WILL COST Z DOLLARS. YOU CAN DO IT CHEAPER. AND THAT IS MY CONCERN. AND I AM LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY GONE FORWARD AND THIS -- IF IT IS ABOUT TWO PIERS AND EVERYBODY WANTING TWO PIERS, YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. YOU SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF -- DIRECT DESIGN AT THE PLEASURE OF. >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE ARE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND CERTAINLY THE MORE INPUT, THE BETTER. I FULLY BELIEVE THAT MORE INPUT IS BETTER. I MEAN, CORRECT, WE HAVE -- WE HAVE -- WE CAN PROVIDE WHAT IS NEEDED FOR HANSON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO EVALUATE COST. TESTIMONY COME BACK AND SAY IT WILL COST HALF AS MUCH AND SAY HERE IS THE CONTRACT. GO BUILD IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHAT WE ARE COMING UP WITH WE ARE ADD IT QUITE A FEW WAYS. I KNOW ALL OF THE CONTRACTORS HERE. THE ONES IN HOUSTON, ETC. WE CONTACT THEM. SEE WHAT THEIR DAILY RATES ARE FOR THE RIGS. WE HAVE CONTACTS AT ALL THE STEEL CONCRETE SUPPLIERS, SO WE HAVE A VERY DETAILED BACK GROUND OF HOW WE DEVELOP OUR COSTS. OBVIOUSLY I DON'T FEEL THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAND WALK HANSON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THROUGH EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT AS THEIR -- THEY ARE UP HERE AND DEVELOPING THEIR OWN COSTS. WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PRICING AND THEY CAN DEVELOP THEIR COSTS. M MUCH. >>JUDGE CANALES: I AM OKAY WITH THAT. CHECKING COSTS. BUT I AM WORRIED WITH THEM COMING UP WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN. THAT NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. WE HAVE A DESIGNER. ARCHITECT. THAT IS THE CONCERN.COMMISSIONER CHESS BEE. [04:55:03] I WANT TO SAY YES, BUT -- CHESNEY. I WANT TO SAY YES BUT THE WAY IT IS WORDED WILL OPEN UP PANDORA'S BOX AND I WISH WE COULD COME TO TERMS -- YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO CHECK COSTS, I HOPE. NOT CHANGE DESIGN. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WANT TO BE CLEAR. I AM CHECKING EVERYTHING. THIS IS A HUMONGOUS PROJECT THAT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT. I HAVE SAID THIS -- I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT WITH LEWIS AND RESPECTFULLY HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID, HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I SAID. THAT IS LIFE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE IS A VENDOR RECOMMENDING TO MAKE THESE POLICY DECISIONS. I AM SORRY IF HE OR ANYBODY ELSE IS OFFENDED WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO. THIS WILL NOT TAKE LONG. HE WILL NOT BE INVOLVED FOR A LONG AMOUNT OF TIME. IF HE COMES BACK WITH SOMETHING THEY HAVEN'T FOUND THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, THEN I WANT TO CONSIDER IT. BUT I DO NOT -- MAINLY IT IS COST AND MAINLY AS I SAID EARLIER, DO WE HAVE TO USE THIS MATERIAL? DO WE HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY? ANYTHING THAT WE ARE MISSING THAT -- IS THERE ANYTHING WE ARE MISS SOMETHING IN SO I -- THAT IS CLEARLY -- AND AGAIN THE SCOPE IS EXACTLY AS I READ IT INTO THE RECORD. THAT IS THE SCOPE. SHARED THAT WITH LEWIS. I JUST WANT TO DO THIS. AND MOVE ON. AND IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO PASS, THAT IS FINE. BUT I THINK CITY TRIED TO CLEARLY ARTICULATE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT AND HE HAS AN UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE BEING AN ENGINEER THAT WORKED ON PROJECTS NOR COUNTY FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. NO OFFENSE, WAY LONGER THAN LEWIS HAS EVER DONE ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTY. JOHN HAS DONE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS FOR NUECES COUNTY HE WAS COASTAL PROJECT. HE IS A MEMBER OF THE SURF RIDERS. HE WILL HAVE -- HE WILL HELP WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT HE IS AN ENGINEER THAT KNOWS THESE PROJECTS. HE DOESN'T KNOW. HE IS NOT AN EXPERT ON PIERS LIKE LEWIS IS. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT EACH OF THEM BRINGS GREAT VALUE AND NOTHING WRONG WITH GETTING AN EXTRA LAYER OF PROTECTION AND INSURANCE IS WHAT I CALL IT. I HAVE SAID IT AND I DENT MEAN -- >> MR. CHESS THEE FCHS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I THINK LEWIS IS DOING A GREAT JOCK AND JOHN WILL AND I AM SORRY IF HE HAS TAKEN OFFENSE TO ANY OF IT AND DOESN'T THINK JOHN CAN DO IT. I AM NOT -- I GET IT. I HEARD FROM EVERYBODY. I AM NOT CHANGING HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT AND I AM NOT CHANGING HOW I VOTE ABOUT IT AND I AM READY TO GO. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO VOTE ANY WAY YOU FEEL YOU ARE UNCOMFORTABLE AND TAMPA DOESN'T BOTHER ME THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION. >>JUDGE CANALES: LAST THOUGHTS AND THEN WE WILL CALL THE QUESTION. >> TO ADDRESS THAT. FRANKLY I AM NOT OFFENDED AT ALL. HAVING ANY OTHER PERSON AN ENGINEER OR ANOTHER PERSON GO THROUGH WHAT WE PREPARED. WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT ON WHAT WE ARE DEVELOPING. WE ARE NOT OFFENDED AT ALL. I HAVE CONCERNS WHAT COULD RESULT IN IT, BUT NOT OFFENDED AT ALL THAT COMMISSIONERS COURT WANTS TO HAVE THEIR OWN -- AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW. NOT AT ALL. NO OFFENSE. >>JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION THAT WAS READ. I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT IT BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY. RECORDED, I BELIEVE. AND THE MOTION IS OBVIOUSLY REGARDING THE HIRING OF HANSON AND AT SOME POINT, JENNY WILL COME BACK WITH A CONTRACT AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MENTIONED REGARDING PROCUREMENT. AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE GOT A MOTION AND THEN THERE IS A SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND? >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: SECOND. IT. >>JUDGE CANALES: I THINK COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. I KNOW I AM GOING TO REGRET THIS, AYE. I AM REALLY DOING THAT, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, FOR YOU. BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE CONCERNED AS I AM THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO HAVE A HUGE SURGE IN THE PRICE TAG. AND IF WE CAN BRING THAT PRICE TAG DOWN, THEN IT IS A WIN. AND IF -- IF IT IS WHAT WE THINK IT IS, THEN YOU AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET TO WORK AGAIN. AND WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR YOU AND I TO NOT BE ON THE SAME PAGE [05:00:02] WITH THE TWO-PILE SYSTEM AND THE COST. IF THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES, THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES. I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I WISH WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS DIFFERENTLY. JENNY, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENS ON YOUR SIDE OF THE BLOCK WITH THIS ARPA THING. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO ON. I DIDN'T. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, LORENZO. THE ITEM NUMBER 9 WE DID. 10, 11, 12, WE DID. 13 IS ONLY ON ITEM NUMBER 1. THAT WAS BEFORE COURT -- BEFORE LUNCH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT ONE TO EXEC ARE, BECAUSE I THINK IT -- IT IS KINDS OF THE SAME. THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT WERE -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: LEGAL QUESTIONS ON THAT? WHAT ARE THE LEGAL QUESTIONS ON THAT. >>JUDGE CANALES: THE LEGAL QUESTIONS IS THAT COUNTIES ARE SUBJECT TO THE GOVERNMENT CODE AND YOU CAN'T BE MORE STRICT THAN THAT WHICH THE GOVERNMENT CODE CAN GIVE YOU, AND SO IF THE GOVERNMENT CODE SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM AND A QUORUM ONLY, THEN THAT -- THAT IS RIGHT. THAT IS NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THAT IS THE ONE -- IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO POSTPONE. >>JUDGE CANALES: YOU HAVE THE "SHALL" LANGUAGE IN THERE. THAT IS MY LEGAL PROBLEM. THE "SHALL". IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LANGUAGE THAT THERE IS A POOL SEE TO DO YOUR VERY BEST TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY BUT I CAN THINK OF FIVE DIFFERENT WAY IT IS COULD BE A PROBLEM. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION AND WE NEEDED TO GET THE SEVEN-DAY AUTHORIZATION AND THIS EXISTS AND SOMEONE HAS A PERSONAL EMERGENCY, THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE. THERE COULD BE AN ISSUE WITH REGARD TO THE PAYMENT OF BILLS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR GRANTS THAT NEED TO BE ACCEPTED FOR -- OR AUTHORITIES TO GO OUT FOR THINGS THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE. THE "SHALL" LANGUAGE IS THE PROBLEM. >>COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: ARE YOU SAYING SHOULD BE "MAY" THEN? >>JUDGE CANALES: WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE REASONABLE AND ALWAYS WORK WITH THE COURT. BUT THE WAY IT WORKS IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE IS THAT EVERY FISCAL YEAR, WE SET UP A DATE AND WE CHOOSE THAT DATE FOR OUR COURT MEETINGS, AND EVERY TIME WE CHANGE THOSE, WE DO SO BE A LOT OF THOUGHT. WE EVEN HAVE A POLICY OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO SPECIAL MEETINGS WHEN NEEDED OR NECESSARY. POLICIES THAT YOU MADE NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND EVERY TIME WE CHANGE, THERE IS A DISRUPTION THAT EXISTS WITH EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULE AND LIKE TODAY I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE SFRAP BECAUSE MY CALENDAR GETS SET BASED ON THE WEDNESDAY'S MEETINGS. NO . NOT TO SAY WE SHOULDN'T BE REASONABLE AND ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE. THAT IS ALWAYS THE WAY IT IS, BUT THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN NOT BE MORE PRESCRIPTIVE THAN THAT WHICH IS GIVEN. YOU CAN NOT FORCE -- IF THERE WAS NO -- IF EVERYBODY HAD TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS, THEN NO QUORUM LANGUAGE WOULD BE NEEDED. WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE A QUORUM. SO THE REASON WE HAVE QUORUM LONG IS BECAUSE YOU ONLY NEED THREE TO DO THE COURT'S BUSINESS. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT I WILL ALWAYS WORK WITH THE COURT, THE ADMINISTRATOR TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE CAN. WE DID IT THIS WEEK. HALF DAY REARRANGING SCHEDULE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: A HUGE FIGHT TO GET THIS STUFF RESCHEDULED. I AM TRYING TO MAKE IN VERY INNOCUOUS AND NOT GET INTO THE REASON FOR THE THING. AND THE REAL REASON FOR THIS IS IF SOMEBODY HAS AN EMERGENCY IN THE PAST, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ACOME DAINTED WITHOUT QUESTION. IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT LATELY. SO I AM COMING UP WITH A POLICY SO OUR COUNTY MANAGER IS NOT CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING. I CHECKED WITH JENNY. I HAVE READ. NOTHING IN THE GOVERNMENT'S CODE THAT COMMISSIONERS COURTS CANNOT CHANGE MEETINGS TO HAVE POLICIES OF HOW TO RUN THOSE MEETINGS. NOTHING THAT ABSOLUTELY BACKS UP WHAT YOU SAID. >>JUDGE CANALES: I TALKED TO DAVID BROOKS AND JIM ALISON. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY HAVE NOT SAID TO ME. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY SAID SEND ME AN E-MAIL OR -- >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THEY DIDN'T SAY IT WAS ILLEGAL. >>JUDGE CANALES: THEY SAID SEND ME A LETTER. YOU CANNOT HAVE "SHALL" LANGUAGE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: YOU CAN PASS THE MOTION AND HAVE SOME LEGAL REVIEW AND IF IT COMES BACK WITH JIM ALISON. >>JUDGE CANALES: WHO DO YOU CHECK WITH AT TACK. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: [05:05:03] WHATEVER THE PERSON -- NOT TAC. >>JUDGE CANALES: IT WANT TAC. >>COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: THE COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGES. THE POINTS IS, IF YOU WANT IT SUBJECT TO SOME LEGAL REVIEW, THAT'S FINE. >>JUDGE CANALES: THAT IS FINE. LET'S JUST DO LEGAL REVIEW. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I WOULD LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO PASS IT AS WRITTEN SUBJECT TO WHATEVER -- ALWAYS. THEY ARE ALL SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW. >>JUDGE CANALES: NO DEFINITION WHAT A PERSONAL EMERGENCY IS. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: DO WE HAVE TO. DO BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THE BUSINESS OF THE COURT DONE. >> COMMISSIONER CHESNEY: I TRUST PEOPLE NOT TO ABUSE THE SYSTEM IF THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. SGLI IF YOU: SAY THIS EMERGENCY, YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY. IF THERE IS A PERSONAL MATTER THAT CANNOT BE OVERCOME, NOBODY ABUSES THAT PICK IT IS WHAT IT IS PICK THESE THINGS THAT WE CHANGE FOR, I APPRECIATE YOU CHANGING YOUR SCHEDULE -- WIELDED -- IS BECAUSE OF A MEDICAL EMERGENCY PERK THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN CHALLENGED BREAK IT WAS COMPLETELY LEGIT PERK TO SAY, BY THE WAY, SEND ME A DOCTOR'S NOTE, I'M NOT DOING THAT -- >> JUDGE CANALES: COMMISSIONER -- SPEAKER AM ALMOST FINISHED. YOU CAN JUMP IN. I MADE A MOTION. SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW THAT IF JENNY GOES AND FINDS LEGALITIES TO SAY WE NEED TO COME BACK AND TWEAK IT, WE CAN TWEAK IT. OTHERWISE, AS WRITTEN, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AND READY TO BE VOTED ON. NOW I'M DONE. THANK YOU. >> JUDGE CANALES: SO THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND AND WE ARE HAVING DISCUSSION. AGAIN, JENNY, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU LOOK INTO THIS BY ASKING JIM ALISON -- OR WE CAN DO IT TOO TO THE COURT OF ADMINISTRATION -- TO ASK FOR A LEGAL OPINION ON THIS. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE ARE ALWAYS SUPER ACCOMMODATING AND SUPER REASONABLE, AND THERE WAS NO NOTICE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, OF THE EMERGENCY. THERE WAS ONLY A NOTICE OF A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT, AND THAT'S WOULD THE RECORD REFLECTS. HAVING SAID THAT, WE STILL, ALWAYS, MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS. WE'VE DONE IT FOR FOUR YEARS JUST VERY, VERY WELL. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS -- THE BOTTOM LINE IS IS THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THE "SHALL" LANGUAGE WORKS WITH THE GOVERNMENT. >> BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. COMMISSIONER, JUST TO CLARIFY THIS, THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS, SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DAY, IF WE DO THIS, IF IT PASSES, WHATEVER, BUT I WANTED TO INTERFERE WITH PAYMENT. LIKE, IF WE SCHEDULED TO PAY THAT BUDGET THAT IN THE MEANTIME, GOT TO APPROVE SOME BILLS THAT GOTTA BE PAID, SO HOW CAN WE DO THAT TO SAY WE TAKE CARE OF THE FINANCIAL ISSUES? >> MALE SPEAKER: I THINK ALSO THAT WHEN I HAVE IN MY PACKET IS NOT THE UPDATED ONE. THE UPDATED ONCE IT CAN HAPPEN -- COULD HAPPEN IN TWO CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS FIND THAT ONE WAS ADDED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. THAT ONE WAS ADDED. CERTAINLY, IT COULD BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO IT THAT SAYS THAT THE BILL, IF ANYTHING, REQUIRES THE BILLS TO BE PAID AND WE CAN HAVE A MEETING TO DO THAT, SURE. THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL IN ITS DISCUSSION, AND THOSE BILLS GET PAID ANYWAY. BY THE TIME WE GET THEM, BUT WE ARE DOING IS RATIFYING. SPECIAL MOTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID. >> JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S NOT TRUE. >> MALE SPEAKER: FINE. WE CAN AMENDMENT. THE ONE I HAVE -- NOT HAVE THE ONE WRITE IN MY BOOK. BUT IT SAYS THAT EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE, IT T -- [INDISCERNIBLE] IN TWO CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS WE HAVE TO MEET, SO YOU DON'T DO THAT. A MEETING CAN BE CALLED FOR PARTIAL FOR PAYING THE BILLS THAT NEED TO BE PAID. THAT'S FINE TOO. I WILL ACCEPT THAT AS AMENDMENT. >> JUDGE CANALES: THERE IS A MOTION WITH KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA LANGUAGE, LORENZO, THAT IT CANNOT AFFECT TWO CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS IN THAT IF BILLS NEED TO BE PAID, THAT WOULD NOT CANCEL THE MEETING. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: IT WOULD SAY THE SAME.> JUDGE CANALES: THERE WERE NOT BE AGENDA ITEMS, BUT EXIT WOULD BE EMOTIONS -- MOTION.> FEMALE SPEAKER: SAME DAYS WE HAVE AS OF TODAY, RIGHT? JUST FOR PAYMENTS.> MALE SPEAKER: JUST FOR PAYMENTS, ABSOLUTELY. APPRECIATE THAT INPUT. THANK YOU. >> JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION HERE? OKAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: MY CONCERN IS, OVERALL, WE UNDERSTAND THE [05:10:02] SPIRIT OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE POLICY RESET IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE THERE IN THE FUTURE WHEN NONE OF US MAY BE THERE. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MAY INTERPRET TO READ IT DIFFERENTLY. AND SO, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHEN SOMEBODY IS OUT THAT WE CHANGE IT, RIGHT THERE TRYING TO MOVE IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE DONE AS A REQUEST. I DON'T KNOW IF PUTTING IN THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IS MY CONCERN, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. I THINK IT WOULD BE A COURTESY THAT ANYONE OF US WOULD AGREE TO OR AT LEAST MAJORITY OF US WOULD AGREE TO CHANGE IT, IF POSSIBLE. I WORRY WHEN WE HANDCUFF OURSELVES, WHEN WE COMMIT TO A POLICY, THAT IT'S A MUST AND THAT IT HAPPENS. WHICH I AGREE, RIGHT? WE ALL KIND OF NEW OUR SCHEDULES AROUND AND THEN HAD TO CHANGE BECAUSE SOMETHING UNEXPECTED ANY OTHER THAT WE CAN ALWAYS TRY TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING WITHIN REASON AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE APPROVED IMMEDIATELY. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND I SUPPORT THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO HERE. IT JUST -- THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN, IS TO, YOU KNOW -- WE KIND OF DID THAT ALREADY AND TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S A POLICY, THAT KIND OF THROWS EVERYTHING OFF. LATER ON, WE HAVE AN ITEM I DON'T THINK WE BROUGHT UP YET. HOPE NOT. DIDN'T MISS ITEM ABOUT OUR MEETING SCHEDULE. I MEAN, LOOKING AT THIS MONTHLY, WE'VE GOT A LOT THAT I'M HOPING WE CAN CONSOLIDATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AS WELL. I JUST WORRY IF THIS BECOMES A POLICY THAT THAT COULD JUST CHANGE A FULL MONTH INTO EVEN A FULLER MONTH OF JUST BACK TO BACK MEETINGS. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> JUDGE CANALES: AND THAT'S MY CONCERN TOO. IT ISN'T THAT I'M NOT WILLING. IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, COMMISSIONERS, MY DAUGHTERS HAD THREE BRAIN SURGERIES AND I'VE NEVER MISSED A MEETING, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO CANCEL MEETINGS IF MY SCHEDULE IS TAKEN AS A PRIORITY. THAT CANNOT DO THAT. NOW, WE ARE GOING TO TRY OUR BEST TO WORK WITH ONE ANOTHER AND WE NEED TO BE REASONABLE AND WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE COMMUNICATION. BUT DOCTORS' APPOINTMENTS, FOR INSTANCE, SHOULDN'T COUNT. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESCHEDULE THOSE. EMERGENCIES, MEDICAL EMERGENCIES OR DIFFERENT. MEDICAL EMERGENCIES WITH YOUR FAMILY COULD BE EVEN CONSIDERED DIFFERENT. BUT THERE IS NO -- THIS POLICY IS POORLY WRITTEN. I DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE SNIFF TEST OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. AND IF YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE WHAT I THINK YOU DO, WE COULD DO IT BETTER. AND YOU AND I HAD A BIG DISCOURSE ON THIS, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY. AND I NOW AM GOING TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY DURING THIS DISCUSSION TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND. AND WHAT YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT IT'S NOT FAIR WHEN SOMEBODY HAS AN APPOINTMENT TO SAY, "I NEED IT SWITCHED BECAUSE I WANT TO SWITCH IT TO THIS DAY BECAUSE THIS IS WHEN I CAN COME AND THIS IS WHEN HE CAN COME. BUT IF MY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAS ANOTHER MEDICAL APPOINTMENT ON THAT DAY, THEN WHAT WE ARE DOING IS FORUM SHOPPING HERE, PICKING WHICH COMMISSIONER, WHICH DATE IS BETTER FOR WHICH OTHERS. I SAID THAT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT FAIR TO BE ABLE TO SAY ONE PERSON'S LIFE OR APPOINTMENT ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS'. THAT WAS THE POINT THAT I WAS MAKING. I WAS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE MY ENTIRE COURT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME. AGAIN, IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, THERE WILL BE ZERO PROBLEMS HERE. BUT WHEN YOU BOX US INTO THESE POLICIES, THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS, AND WE'VE ILLUSTRATED THAT IN THE LAST TWO COURTS, WE HAVE TABLED TONS OF ITEMS IN DEFERENCE TO THE COMMISSIONER THAT COULD NOT BE HERE, AND WE ATTENDED TO ITEMS THAT THE DEPARTMENTS HEADS SAID WERE PRESSING. SO IF WE HAD FOLLOWED THE ADVICE THAT WE WERE GIVEN, IMPORTANT ISSUES WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO FORWARD, INCLUDING THE PAYMENT OF BILLS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU INCLUDING THE PAYMENT OF BILLS, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE THERE WILL BE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO NEED ACTION THAT WILL NOT GET HELP IF WE DO THIS TYPE OF POLICY. I DON'T LIKE IT, SO I WILL BE VOTING NO. PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO IT, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK WITH TAC, MAYBE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE FIGURED OUT A BETTER WAY. BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY, BECAUSE ANYTIME YOU HAVE "SHALL" LANGUAGE, IT'S NOT GOOD. BECAUSE IT'S ACCOMMODATING ONE PERSON OVER ANOTHER AND WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT. >> MALE SPEAKER: IN IS NOT ACCOMMODATING WHEN OVER THE OTHER. SO SINCE YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BELABOR THIS, THEN [05:15:02] I WILL CONTINUE TO BELABOR IT. WHAT YOU SAY IS NOT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WENT ON. WHEN I WENT TO JENNY AND ASKED JENNY ABOUT THIS AND SAID, OKAY, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE CAN'T GET AGREEMENT TO POSTPONE THE MEETING FOR A MEDICAL EMERGENCY BECAUSE IT'S A POSTED MEETING, UNLESS EVERYONE AGREES IS WHAT I WAS ADVISED, AND UNLESS EVERYONE AGREES, WE CANNOT CHANGE THESE THINGS. THEN MY DAY GETS PUT IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE SHE'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. SO THIS POLICY WAS GEARED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, AND I TRUST EVERYONE UP HERE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY, AND THE ONLY PERSON I TALKED TO ABOUT THIS IS COMMISSIONER MAREZ WHO SAID, OKAY, BUT MAKE SURE IT'S NOT TWO CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS. I DID THAT. MR. GONZALES JUST WEIGHED IN. ADDED THE BILLS, I JUST DID THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS NOT GONE AS SMOOTHLY AS YOU HAVE REPRESENTED, JUDGE, AN "I'M SORRY", AGAIN, I DID NOT INTEND TO BRING THAT OUT OF YOUR -- >> JUDGE CANALES: I'M HAPPY TO DO THIS. >> MALE SPEAKER: AND TRYING TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AS INNOCUOUS AS I CAN -- >> JUDGE CANALES: INNOCUOUS? >> MALE SPEAKER: IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE THEM, THAT'S FINE. IT IS WHAT IT IS. EVERYONE KNEW THAT THIS WAS IN A MEDICAL EMERGENCY -- >> JUDGE CANALES: NOBODY KNEW. I DID NOT KNOW. NOBODY INFORMED US AT ALL. IT WAS TOLD WAS ONLY YOU WERE HAVING PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS. ONLY YOU WERE HAVING PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS. >> MALE SPEAKER: THEY KNEW THIS WAS IN A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. SHE KNEW IT WAS SENT TO -- >> JUDGE CANALES: WE KNEW IT WAS A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT. THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME, SIR. APPOINTMENT. THAT'S DIFFERENT. >> MALE SPEAKER: IT WAS NOT. IT WAS A PROCEDURE -- >> JUDGE CANALES: MY EMAIL SAYS APPOINTMENT, APPOINTMENT. >> JUDGE CANALES: IF YOU READ THE EMAIL I SENT -- >> JUDGE CANALES: YOU SHOULD READ YOUR EMAIL WITH LESS THAN. >> JUDGE CANALES: IT WAS YOUR EMAIL. AND TRYING TO FIND IT, SHE SENT IT ON TO YOU AND THAT SOMEONE YOU'RE TALKING ON THE DISCOURSE, BUT I THINK IN THE EMAIL IT SAID HE'S GOT A MEDICAL SITUATION WHERE HE CANNOT BE HERE. HE CAN'T BE HERE. >> MALE SPEAKER: AND WHAT WE DID, COMMISSIONER, IS EXACTLY THE GOOD RESULTS. WE TABLED ALMOST EVERYTHING, AND YOU AND I AND THE REST OF US -- >> SOEAKER: AFTER A MAJOR OLD BATTLE.> MALE SPEAKER: NOT THE BATTLE, WE ABSOLUTELY GOT THE WORK DONE AT THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: IS THE SECOND MAJORITY OF THE COURTROOM WANTED TO GO IN THE MEETING -- I WAS TOLD BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT DID NOT WORK. IT HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF POLICY BECAUSE THERE'S MEETINGS SET, THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE COURT AGREED TO MOVE IT IS NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE WE CAN'T VOTE ON THINGS. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME POLICY ON HOW TO DEAL WITH IT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ADVISED BECAUSE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT. I CALLED AND SAID, JENNY, WHY ARE YOU TELLING I DAY WE CANNOT MOVE THIS MEETING WITH MAJORITY OF THE COURT WANTS TO MOVE IT? HER RESPONSE WAS -- >> JUDGE CANALES: HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IT WAS THE MAJORITY OF THE COURT? >> MALE SPEAKER: I WAS TOLD THAT BY THE COUNTY MANAGER WHO SAID THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COURTROOM WAS IN AGREEMENT. I SAID, OKAY, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE COURT. I WAS REPRESENTED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, I HAD HAVE SOME SORT OF POLICY. OF THE ENTIRE COURT DID NOT AGREE, WHICH ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS WITHOUT SOME BATTLES BACK AND FORTH, IT WASN'T AGREED TO. THAT IS WHAT HAS PROMPTED THIS, IS TO HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE SO THAT WHEN WE CAN'T VOTE ON SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IN PLACE, AND I DID TO HER CREDIT PUT THE AGENDA OUT HERE THAT'S IS NOW WE CAN ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT MEETING DATES AND SHE'S GOT THAT ON THERE, BUT THERE'S TIMES IN BETWEEN THAT WE CANNOT GET THERE. SO THE POLICY HERE, JUDGE, IS WITH THE INTENTION OF IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, THERE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A QUESTION. IT SHOULD JUST BE WE RESCHEDULE IT INTO AN EMAIL SHOULD BE MADE FROM THE COUNTY MANAGER. NOT, HEY, DOES EVERYONE AGREE WITH THIS? WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS. IT'S, HEY, THERE'S A MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR EMERGENCY IS PRESCRIBED BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT, WHICH I CHOSE TO REMEMBER TO BE HONEST ABOUT, AND SHE SAYS BASED ON HER POLICY, ALL WE CAN DO IS CAN WE MEET -- CAN EVERYONE COME UP WITH A DATE? IF WE CAN'T, AND WE USUALLY CAN, BUT IF WE CAN'T, IT FALLS BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING AND IT CAN'T HAPPEN. SO IT'S A POLICY IN PLACE -- >> JUDGE CANALES: THE POLICY WILL MAKE SENSE IF YOU ADD THE BILL BEING PAID. AS COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ -- >> MALE SPEAKER: AND HAVE TWO CONSECUTIVE -- >> JUDGE CANALES: HOLD ON. THAT AND -- AND IF THERE IS AN AGENDA ITEM OF THE UTMOST URGENCY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO PAY BILLS, AND WE ARE GOING TO COME IN ANY WAY, IF IN THE VIEW OF THE COUNTY MANAGER THERE WAS ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN UP AS WELL -- >> MALE SPEAKER: IN THE VIEW OF THE COUNTY MANAGER -- >> JUDGE CANALES: YES. >> MALE SPEAKER: OKAY! >> JUDGE CANALES: FINE. THAT'S IT. BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING. >> MALE SPEAKER: CAME UP WITH A BETTER POLICY RIGHT NOW. >> MALE SPEAKER: THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DEBATES, SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT. INSANE -- THAT'S FINE. IF THE COUNTY MANAGER DEEMS IT IS AN EMERGENCY TO PUT IT ON AND IT'S -- >> JUDGE CANALES: IS NOT AN EMERGENCY. IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE INTEREST OF THE COUNTY, BECAUSE LIKE THE GRANTS -- > MALE SPEAKER: IT'S A MATTER THAT CAN'T WAIT. >> JUDGE CANALES: LIKE WE HAVE DISPLAYED A COUPLE TIMES -- [05:20:02] SPEAKER IF IT'S AN URGENT MATTER THAT CAN'T WAIT BECAUSE OF TIMELINESS, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. ALL RIGHT. THAT MAKES FOR A BETTER POLICY AND IS NOT THE ONE WE STARTED WITH, BUT THE ONE WE ARE ENDING WITH IS BETTER. SO, AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE LEGALITY OF IT, JENNY. I'M NOT WITHDRAWING THE PLEAS TO REQUEST WITH JIM ALISON AND DAVID BROOKS. >> MALE SPEAKER: THAT'S PART OF THE MOTION, JUDGE. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: OUR OFFICE WILL DO THE RESEARCH. IS THAT THE COURT MANAGER COULD REACH OUT TO THEOTHERS. > JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S FINEE. OKAY. NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. >> MALE SPEAKER: AND THAT WOULD BE IN A MOMENT. I WOULD ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. ONE MAKE SURE YOU GOT THAT AS PART OF THE MINUTES SO IT'S PART OF THE RECORD. CAN WE VOTE ON THAT? >> JUDGE CANALES: IS LORENZO READY? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> BOARD: AYE. >> JUDGE CANALES: THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 16 AND 17. AND THIS ONE IS -- IS THIS ONE [16. Ratify hiring of attorney Ira Z. Miller to consult as outside counsel to Commissioners Court regarding the examination of County Policies relating to the function of the Medical Examiner’s Office.] [17. Discuss and consider next Commissioners Court meeting date.] NEEDING TO GO TO EXECUTIVE OR NOT? NO? >> FEMALE SPEAKER: IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED PRIOR. WE WERE FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN TO US BY THE COURT AND WE BROUGHT THE DOCUMENT THAT -- BACK. >> JUDGE CANALES: I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS A RATIFYING -- MY GOODNESS, I RATIFIED HIRING OF IRA Z MILLER. OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO COMMISSIONERS COURT AND RELATING THE FUNCTIONS TO M.E.'S OFFICE AND I WILL MOVE PASSAGE OF THE RATIFICATION AND ASK FOR A SECOND AND CALL FOR DISCUSSION. >> MALE SPEAKER: SECOND. >> JUDGE CANALES: ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GONZALES, WE HELD THIS ONE FOR YOU. >> MALE SPEAKER: YES. THE RATIFICATION, BUT WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING? WHAT ARE WE NEEDING TO DO THE POLICY FOR THE ME? WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING HERE? WE GET ATTORNEYS FOR EVERYTHING. GOT TO SAVE SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT WE NEED FOR MORE MONEY. SO WHY ARE WE HIRING ATTORNEYS LEFT AND RIGHT TO DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS AND WHY? >> FEMALE SPEAKER: WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO GO AND GET A BOARD-CERTIFIED CRIMINAL PRACTICING LAWYER. >> MALE SPEAKER: WHO IS THAT? >> FEMALE SPEAKER: IRA Z MILLER. THE COURT INSTRUCTED US TO GO DO THAT TO ANSWER SOME THINGS. IT'S NOT TO SET POLICIES FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. IT IS TO HELP ADDRESS ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP WITH IN THE COUNTY. AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN PART OF SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS. >> MALE SPEAKER: YES. BUT I'M SAYING, IS THIS THE SAME THING, THOUGH? IS THIS AN UPDATE ON THAT ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING? AND WE'VE TALKED TO THE ATTORNEY BEFORE. IS THIS STILL THE SAME -- >> FEMALE SPEAKER: NO, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. THIS IS NEW ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE -- BUT, YOU KNOW, I DID WHAT WAS INSTRUCTED BY THE COURT. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO IN EXECUTIVE, I CAN EXPLAIN IT. BUT IT'S -- >> MALE SPEAKER: IS THERE A CONTRACT WITH THIS PERSON ALREADY? IS THERE AN AGREEMENT? >> FEMALE SPEAKER: THE AGREEMENT IS ATTACHED IN THE -- I BELIEVE IT IS ATTACHED, RIGHT? OKAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: WHAT'S THE AMOUNT? DO WE KNOW? >> FEMALE SPEAKER: $350 PER HOUR. >> MALE SPEAKER: AND I THOUGHT -- WAS THIS NOT ONE WERE WE HAD SAID -- I THOUGHT FIRST TO GET JULIE TO WORK ON IT FIRST? >> FEMALE SPEAKER: NO. THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER. I BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO IS THE PERSONNEL MANUAL. >> MALE SPEAKER: THIS IS REGARDING THE POLICIES RELATED TO -- >> FEMALE SPEAKER: WITH HOW THE COMMISSIONERS COURT RELATES TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE, NOT THE INTERNAL POLICIES OF THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, BUT... >> MALE SPEAKER: I AM CONFUSED. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: THAT'S OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO EXECUTIVE. I CAN BRING IT IN. I THINK MAYBE DAVE FORGOTTEN. IS IT ALL RIGHT? WE WILL BRING IT IN EXECUTIVE. >> MALE SPEAKER: I FORGOT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT CERTAIN EMPLOYEES' PROBLEM SO IT WILL BE VALID AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I DID NOT RELEASE IT WAS STILL GOING ON. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: I CAN ANSWER FOR THE QUESTIONS IN EXECUTIVE IN A VERY, VERY LIMITED BASIS. >> MALE SPEAKER: SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT -- OKAY. >> JUDGE CANALES: I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION, THEN, TO TAKE INTO EXECUTIVE AND GIVE YOU GUYS A CHANCE, OR ARE YOU SATISFIED? >> MALE SPEAKER: IS IT JUST THAT THE EXAMINATIONS OF THESE POLICIES, IN A GENERAL WAY, NEED TO BE DONE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT THE OTHER LAWYER IS DOING WITH THE COUNTY POLICIES? >> FEMALE SPEAKER: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERSONNEL MANUAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WITHIN THE COUNTY OR WITHIN THE [05:25:05] MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. THIS IS HOW THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT RELATES TO AND INSTRUCTS AND DEALS WITH DIRECTING THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. >> JUDGE CANALES: I THINK, JENNY, MAYBE SOMETIMES THE WORDS "COUNTY POLICIES" ARE CONFUSING THEM TO THE EXTENT THAT EMPLOYEE POLICIES, RIGHT? DO YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE? ME A CALL THE QUESTION? I WOULD LIKE TO NOT KEEP US HERE FOREVER, BUT IF -- >> MALE SPEAKER: GOING EXECUTIVE? >> JUDGE CANALES: OR IS IT YOUR PREFERENCE TO TAKE IT TO EXEC? I WILL YIELD THAT. YES? >> MALE SPEAKER: I CAN'T ASK THE QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK. >> JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S FINE. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAWAL MY MOTION AND ASK WHOEVER SECONDED MY MOTION TO WITHDRAW? >> MALE SPEAKER: YOU CAN KEEP IT ON THE TABLE AND WE CAN GO INTO EXEC. THAT'S OKAY, RIGHT? PROCEDURALLY, CAN YOU GOING TO EXACT? >> JUDGE CANALES: PROCEDURALLY, I DON'T THINK -- >> FEMALE SPEAKER: YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT MOTION. >> JUDGE CANALES: I WILL WITHDRAW IT, OKAY? THEN MOVING ON TO 17, I THINK THAT WAS JUST IN CASE WE DID NOT FINISH TODAY. THAT WAS LEFT OVER. WE SHOULD BE GOOD, RIGHT? WE ARE GOING TO MEET NEXT WEEK, UNLESS THAT'S THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. OKAY. FORGIVE ME. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, COMMISSIONER MAREZ? IF YOU BRING YOUR CALENDARS UP ON BUDGET WORKSHOP, ITEM 17 IS DISCUSSING YOUR MEETING DATES, OKAY? AND SO, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET MEETING DATES, THEY START ON MONDAY, THE EIGHTH, AND TUESDAY, THE AND TUESDAY, THE 9TH, 2 DAYS. ON THE FOLLOWING WEEK, THEY ARE 15 AND 16, AND I THINK THE REQUEST WAS TO DISCUSS IT, DALE, TO ASK YOU AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW, BUT MAYBE DO YOU BELIEVE ALL FOUR DAYS ARE NEEDED? THAT'S NO. MAY RE-CREATE A MOTION THAT WOULD SAY THAT IF WE FINISH THIS WEEK, THAT THE COURT COULD THEN CANCEL NEXT WEEK'S? >> MALE SPEAKER: WE GO BASED ON THE FIRST FEW DAYS. AND IF THERE'S ANY COMPLEX, WE MAY POSSIBLY NEED THE EXTRA DAYS. IF WE GO THROUGH THE BALANCE AND SHOW YOU WHAT IT IS AND Y'ALL CAN WORK WITH ME SEPARATELY, WE CAN PROBABLY ELIMINATE ONE OR TWO DAYS. >> MALE SPEAKER: SO WHAT DO WE HAVE? I'M SORRY. WE ONLY HAVE THE EIGHTH AND THE NINTH NEXT WEEKEND THE 15TH AND 16TH OF NEXT WEEK, RIGHT? >> JUDGE CANALES: AND THEN COMMISSIONER COURTS ARE BACK TO BACK. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT'S 8, 9, 10. AND 15 DEATH ---- AND THE QUESTION IS MAYBE IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD JUST DO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 8 AND 9? >> MALE SPEAKER: I THINK I -- REVIEW THIS THURSDAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: WE CAN REVIEW THIS AND GET THE BEST ARE ON MONDAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A QUICK TURNAROUND GOING FROM MONDAY TO TUESDAY, WHAT I RECALL FROM YEARS PAST, MAYBE SAY BASING IT OUT. THAT'S A LOT TO GO THREE DAYS IN A ROW. REMEMBER SOME YEARS WE DID FIVE. MAYBE IT'S USUALLY THE INITIAL BUDGET WORKSHOP PRESENTATIONS WE'VE DONE BACK TO BACK. >> MALE SPEAKER: WE SPENT A LOT MORE TIME ON MONDAY THEN WE CAN NOT DO TUESDAY INTO THE FOLLOWING WEEK ON THE MONDAY AND NOT TO TUESDAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: HERE'S THE THING: TO ME, WE CAN ALWAYS RECESS. IF WE NEED TO RECESS AND HAVE IT ON THE NINTH, WE CAN OR HAVE IT ON THE 16TH, WE CAN. WHAT BARBARA SAID, WE'VE GOT, LIKE, EVEN -- > JUDGE CANALES: AT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MEETING, WE CAN PUT A NOTICE ON THERE TO TO GET OUT. >> MALE SPEAKER: WE CAN SUSPEND TUESDAY AND FOLLOW THE NEXT MONDAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: SEE, I'M FINE -- >> JUDGE CANALES: I RATHER GET IT OVER WITH NEXT WEEK. >> MALE SPEAKER: I AGREE BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO PROCESS THIS. YOU ALL TOO. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, HEY, IF WE CAN KNOCK IT OUT, I'D RATHER KNOCK IT OUT IN THOSE THREE DAYS NEXT WEEK AND KNOW THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST THE 17TH TO MEET, THEN I'M GOOD WITH THAT. >> MALE SPEAKER: I'M GOOD WITH THAT TOO. IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE TO MEET ON ON THE 15TH WEEK? I'M FINE WITH DOING EIGHT AND OFTEN CANCEL 16TH. >> MALE SPEAKER: WILL PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION FOR TAX -- WE OFFICIALLY NOTIFIED THE QUARTER WHAT THE TAX RATES ARE. TESTER SHOWING YOU WHAT THE VOTER APPROVED RATES ARE INFINITELY -- FAMILY OF PUBLIC HEARING SHOWING ABOUT WHAT WE PROPOSE THE RACE TO BE WE SET VALUES AND WHERE WE START FOR. THEN WE HAVE EARRINGS FROM THAT POINT IN TIME. THAT'S LATER ON IN THE AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER. >> MALE SPEAKER: THAT'S JUST ME. I'M JUST THROWING OUT MY DATES. I WILL TELL YOU NOW, I MENTIONED MAYBE TO A COUPLE, BUT I'M GOING TO BE OUT AND MOVING MY OLDEST TO COLLEGE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. IN THAT WEEK OF THE 15TH -- >> MALE SPEAKER: AND YOU WILL BE CRYING THE WHOLE WEEK. I WANT TO SEE THAT! >> MALE SPEAKER: JUST MY WIFE, NOT ME. >> MALE SPEAKER: YOU WAIT AND [05:30:02] SEE! > MALE SPEAKER: I WILL BE THE BIGGEST CRYBABY, I KNOW IT. >> MALE SPEAKER: RIGHT WHEN DO THE FULL DAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: WOULD EVERYONE PREFER TO DO IT -- >> MALE SPEAKER: JUST TELLING YOU WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THAT. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO BALANCE ALL OUR CALENDARS. I CAN DO THIS VIRTUALLY >> MALE SPEAKER: RECENTLY TO FILE VIRTUALLY, AND HE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING READY TO GO ON MONDAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: DALE, REDUCING THE POTENTIAL EXISTS THAT WE COULD DO EVERYTHING THE ETHERNET AND CANCEL THE 15TH AND 16TH? IF EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH THAT, I'D MAKE THAT AS A MOTION, IF EVERYBODY PREFERS THAT OR -- I'M OKAY WITH THE 8TH AND 15TH BUT NOT THE 16TH, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE -- AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE RIGHT -- SO THAT'S WHAT -- IS THAT WHAT YOU PREFER, THE 8TH AND 9TH AND CANCEL -- SPEAKER IF WE CAN GET IT OVER WITH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, IF IT WORKS. I WANTED TO THROW OPTIONS IN. AT WANTED TO FEEL ABOUT ME, BUT I WANT TO SHARE WHERE I STAND. THE WEEK OF THE 17TH AND PROBABLY NOT EVEN GOING TO BE HERE. HAVE TO DO IN VIRTUALLY ANY WAY FOR COMMISSIONERS COURT, NO DOUBT. >> MALE SPEAKER: THE 31ST? >> MALE SPEAKER: CANCEL THE 15TH AND 16TH? >> MALE SPEAKER: LEAVE THEM AS BACKUPS. I CAN PARTICIPATE PROBABLY ON A LIMITED BASIS THOSE DAYS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T COMMIT OURSELVES TO ALL OF THOSE DATES, BECAUSE, ONE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THEM. TO HEAR THAT -- >> MALE SPEAKER: THE MONTH, I WANT TO BE IN THE 31ST BECAUSE I WANT TO GO BACK TO.[INDISCERNIBLE] > JUDGE CANALES: 1ST AND 2ND, BUT LET ME SAY THIS: THE MOTION IS THAT WE ARE FLEXIBLE ON OUR WORKSHOP DATES. THAT'S ALL THE MOTION IS, IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW WE DO NEXT WEEK NEXT WEEK, OKAY? SO I THINK THAT MOTION IS IS THAT WE ARE PUTTING EVERYBODY ON NOTICE THAT WE DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL OF FOUR DAYS, BUT THAT NEXT WEEK WILL MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION. >> MALE SPEAKER: JUDGE, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS -- >> JUDGE CANALES: 8TH AND 9TH FOR SURE. THEN WE ARE IN COURT ON THE 10TH. SO WE ARE GOING TO THREE DAYS NEXT WEEK. THAT'S A LOT OF TIME. >> MALE SPEAKER: CRAZY. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON AND WE DON'T POSTED IN HAVE TO CANCEL IT, CANCEL THE 15TH AND 16TH. WE MIGHT NEED AND WE CAN ALWAYS REINSTATED. BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO GET POSTED AND THEN WE CANCEL IT FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT. MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE JUST CANCELED THE 15TH AND 16TH. YOU CAN ALWAYS REINSTATE IT BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF TIME COMING UP IN AUGUST WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MEETINGS. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: INCLUDE THE SAME LANGUAGE, NO? >> JUDGE CANALES: SHE CAN HELP. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: I CAN PUT THE SAME ON THE AGENDA. >> MALE SPEAKER: I THINK HAVING ALL THAT TIME IS GREAT CROSS TALK] >> MALE SPEAKER: SOME OF THESE WEDNESDAYS MEETINGS ARE IMPORTANT IF WE START TALKING TAX RATES. IMPROVING TAX RATES REQUIRES FOUR. >> JUDGE CANALES: YES, SIR. > MALE SPEAKER: FOUR IN PERSON. >> JUDGE CANALES: ON WHICH DAY? >> MALE SPEAKER: ON WHICH DAY? >> FEMALE SPEAKER: THAT WOULD BE VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY HERE ON THE 17TH, BECAUSE I WILL BE ON THE TRAIL OF DEALERS BACK HOME THAT DAY. SPEAKER HAS TO BE ON OFFICIAL COMMISSIONERS COURT DAY. HAS TO BE ON ITS OWN DAY. HAS TO BE ON WEDNESDAY.>> MALE SPEAKER: HAS TO BE THAT WEDNESDAY OR COULD WE PUSH IT -- >> MALE SPEAKER: WE CAN POSTPONE IT TILL LATER ON. PUBLIC NOTICES ON THIS AND WE HAVE TO GO PAST SEPTEMBER 8 AND WHEN WE ARE ADOPTING AND OUR TAX RATES. IT'S TIMING ISSUES. >> MALE SPEAKER: WHAT ABOUT THE 10TH? IS THAT TOO SOON? >> MALE SPEAKER: YES. >> MALE SPEAKER: THEN I'M GOING TO BE HERE. WE ONLY HAVE TO BE HERE LIKE AS A FOUR IN PERSON FOR THAT PART OF THE -- >> MALE SPEAKER: YES. >> MALE SPEAKER: AS LONG AS THE REST OF US ARE HERE FOR THAT PART, THEN JOHN IS OKAY BEING VIRTUAL AND THE REST OF THE MEETING WAS OKAY WITH THREE BEING HERE. >> MALE SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> MALE SPEAKER: THE MOTION WAS TO CANCEL THE 15TH AND THE 16TH. >> JUDGE CANALES: MOTION AND TAKE HER SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. NOW, THERE'S A REVELATION WILL BE ON THE 31ST, 1ST, AND SECOND. I JUST LOOKED THAT UP AND WE DO HAVE A MEETING. IS THERE ANYTHING -- WE CANNOT DO IT THE DAY BEFORE BECAUSE THAT IS STATE OF THE COUNTY. AND -- >> MALE SPEAKER: CAN WE -- >> JUDGE CANALES: CAN WE LOOK AT THAT FOR NEXT WEEK AND YOU CAN COME BACK AND GIVE ME AN OPTION? BECAUSE I'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THE -- I DON'T HAVE MY BUDGET CALENDAR OVERLAID WITH THIS CALENDAR. JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUDGET DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE THAT HE WOULD NEED TO BE PRESENT FOR, OKAY? ALL RIGHT? >> MALE SPEAKER: [INDISCERNIBLE] >> JUDGE CANALES: WE DO NOT HAVE ONE ON THE 24TH. >> MALE SPEAKER: LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE. MY GOSH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MEETINGS AND MEETING TODAY, THE 10TH, THE 17TH. MAYBE WE CAN -- >> MALE SPEAKER: AUGUST 2-17 [05:35:03] IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THE TAX PROPOSAL AND TO THE PUBLIC NOTICES IN AUGUST 28 WE HAVE PUBLIC NOTICES AND ALSO SEPTEMBER 1 WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TAX INCREASE AND -- WE VOTE. >> JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S THE PROBLEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS LETTING US KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT HE CANNOT BE HERE, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT POLICY WORRIES ME, BECAUSE IT'S A PROCEDURE. >> MALE SPEAKER: HOLD ON. SEPTEMBER 1 IS ONLY IF THERE IS A TAX INCREASE BEING PROPOSED, CORRECT? >> JUDGE CANALES: ANYTHING OVER THE EFFECTIVE. >> MALE SPEAKER: REQUIRE THE FOUR MEMBERS HERE WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO THE VOTE ON ONE OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATE WOULD BE AUGUST 17.> MALE SPEAKER: THE SEPTEMBER WHEN MEETING IS IF IT'S ANYTHING -- >> MALE SPEAKER: IF WE ADOPT A RATE HIGHER OF THE NEW TAX, WE HAVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS? >> MALE SPEAKER: DEPENDING ON WHERE THE COURT GOES -- >> JUDGE CANALES: [INDISCERNIBLE] >> MALE SPEAKER: IF WE DON'T PROPOSE AND I'M NOT SAYING WE ARE ARMED, BUT IF WE DON'T PROPOSE SOMETHING ABOUT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE, WOULD HOPE TO MEET ON SEPTEMBER 1. >> MALE SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT. >> MALE SPEAKER: JUST A LITTLE HUMOR -- >> JUDGE CANALES: OR DEPRESSION CITY WITH NO COLA. YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE CAN JUST ALL GO HOME FOR THE MONTH OF THAT'S THE DEAL. >> MALE SPEAKER: SORRY, ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, DEAL? >> MALE SPEAKER: FIRST .[INDISCERNIBLE] >> JUDGE CANALES: I NEED COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ TO REALLY HEAR THAT, BECAUSE THAT WORRIES ME. >> MALE SPEAKER: YOU ONLY NEED THREE IN PERSON. >> JUDGE CANALES: YEAH BUT YOUR POLICY SAYS IF WE HAVE A PROCEDURE, WE SHALL MOVE IT. >> MALE SPEAKER: BUT WE SHOULD CHANGE IT TO IF IT'S TIME SENSITIVE AND AN URGENT MATTER, THIS IS SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ON. SO THAT WOULD -- THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THAT LANGUAGE TO THE POLICY. >> MALE SPEAKER: AND WITH YOU. [1. Receive a presentation from the Department of Public Works regarding recent and ongoing improvements to the Medical Examiners Facility.] [2. Discuss and consider selection of CLK Architects & Associates for Architectural Services related to the Nueces County Medical Examiners Facility.] >> MALE SPEAKER: IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A NOT -- >> JUDGE CANALES: THAT WAS MY POINT. IN WITH YOU, I'M WITH YOU. I GOT IT, OKAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: THIS TIME SENSITIVE, WE ARE GOOD. >> JUDGE CANALES: AS I SAY, ALL RIGHT. DALE, YOU GOT US, RIGHT? >> MALE SPEAKER: YES. >> JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT. B.O. ONE IS WHERE WE ARE. THESE FOUR ITEMS HERE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN UPDATE. SO WE'VE DONE SOME WORK ONGOING IMPROVEMENTS AT THE M.E. AND JUAN IS HERE TO KIND OF SHOWCASE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. IS HERE TO KIND OF SHOWCASE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. >> MALE SPEAKER: JUDGE IN COMMISSIONERS, I DID A QUICK PRESENTATION. CAN YOU BRING IT UP? IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN WORKING ON DOING SOME RENOVATIONS AT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. THE RENOVATIONS WERE COORDINATED THROUGH DR. FERNANDEZ AND ALSO DR. FAGAN, WHERE THEY WERE DOING THE COLOR SELECTION AND ALSO THE FLOORING SELECTION IN THE FACILITY. SO CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE? THIS IS A LIST OF THE RENOVATIONS THAT WERE DONE AT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S. ONE WAS THE FLOORING, THE AWNING, THE CEILING REPAIRS, RIGHT NOW THE PAINTING, WE ARE FINISHING UP THE LANDSCAPING, SOME FENCING, THE GATE CONTROLS, SUBMITTED LED LIGHTING, VAPOR LIGHTING AND THEN TOTAL RENOVATION OF $100,000 WAS APPROVED BY COMMISSIONERS COURT. THE START DATE WAS ON THE 18TH. EVERYTHING WAS JUST PRETTY MUCH COMPLETED BY AUGUST 1. BEFORE RENOVATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION TO THE LANDSCAPING COURT. NEXT? STORM DOING KIND OF LIKE A BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS. THE ONE TO THE LEFT IS EXISTING ACCESS CONTROL GOING INTO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. WE WENT AHEAD AND REPLACED THE ACCESS CONTROL WHICH IS THE BRAND-NEW ONE TO THE RIGHT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THEN THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE AWNING. PHILIP WHEN IS THE EXISTING CONDITION WHICH RUSTED OUT AND IT WAS KIND OF DETERIORATED AND IT TOOK THE ONE TO THE RIGHT. IT WAS REHAB IT AND PRIMED AND REPAINTED AND THE HOLES THAT WERE THERE WERE RESEALED. THE PICTURE ON THE BACKGROUND IS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE CLEANED OUT. NOT WEEK, BUT THE PRIOR CONTRACTOR CAME OUT AND PROMPTED FOR THE LANDSCAPING. WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND SOME SODDING SIDING AND SHRUBS THAT ARE OUT THERE. NEXT PHOTO? >> JUDGE CANALES: THERE IS NO REAL GRASS THERE, IS THERE, JUAN? >> MALE SPEAKER: WHAT'S THERE NOW IS P GRAVEL. TO MAKE IT MORE AESTHETICALLY AT PLEASING, WE ARE PUTTING IN MORE IRRIGATION AND SOME SOD TO KIND OF BRING IT UP. >> JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. MAYBE YOU CONTROL A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR ME. I MEAN, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I WANT IT TO BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. AS YOU WELL KNOW, WATER IS KIND OF AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. AS OF MATTER FACT, WE TALKED [05:40:03] WITH ROCKY COURT NADIR OF THE CITY. >> JUDGE CANALES: YOU DID? >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM, BUT THE NEW SOD WE ARE PUTTING IN. >> JUDGE CANALES: MAYBE WAIT UNTIL THE FALL. DON'T DO IT RIGHT NOW. IT IS JUST SO HOT. I AM FOR IT, BUT WHY DON'T YOU JUST HOLD ON THAT? >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. I WILL TALK TO ROCKY. >> JUDGE CANALES: JUST THINK ABOUT IT. >> MALE SPEAKER: THE CITY IS FINE WITH IT. WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT, JUDGE. THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS THE SIDE AWNING, THE ONE WHERE IS YOU ARE GOING IN THROUGH THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, YOU CAN SEE THE RUSTED OUT AWNING. THEN TO THE RIGHT, IT'S A REPAINTED, PRIMED AND REPAINTED. THEY DID A REAL GREAT JOB. THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. THIS WAS THE EXISTING FENCE. FIELD FENCE. AND THOSE PICTURES ON THE NEXT PHOTO, NEXT SLIDE, SORRY. THIS IS A NEW FENCE. THE BAD THING ABOUT THIS, IF YOU LOOK -- I WILL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT PHOTO. WHAT IS SO SAD IS THAT THEY ALREADY TAGGED IT. SO THE CITY CAME OUT A WEEK AFTER THAT. TO THE RIGHT TO SEE WHAT THEY CLEANED OUT, WITH THE CITY DID. WE THANK THE CITY FOR THAT. HOWEVER, ROCKY CALLED ME YESTERDAY AND INFORMED ME THAT THEY RETAG IT AGAIN. SO WE ARE GOING TO REQUEST FOR THE CITY TO TRY TO ASSIST US TO CLEAN UP THE TAG. NEXT ON, PLEASE. THIS IS THE EXISTING FACILITY TILES THAT WERE THERE. THIS IS KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE MICRO EXAMINER'S. SOME ARE DIRTY AND OLD. AND THEN THE NEXT PHOTO -- SLIDE, SORRY. AND THIS IS THE REGISTER SYSTEM. YOU CAN SEE THEY WERE DIRTY. WE HAD THEM, I THINK OVER 100 REGISTERS. TO THE RIGHT, PRETTY MUCH -- SORRY, PRETTY MUCH TO THE RIGHT, THEY ARE ALL CLEANED OUT. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE PRETTY MUCH LOOKING IN BRAND-NEW CONDITION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS THE LIGHTING IMPROVEMENT. WE PUT ALL LED LIGHTS IN THERE. GOING TO THE RIGHT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW WHAT WE DID, BUT WE DID DO SOME LIGHTING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT LIGHTING UP THE AREA. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS THE DUCT CLEANING. THE ONE TO THE LEFT WAS WHAT WAS DIRTY AND THE DUCT SYSTEM. TO THE RIGHT, THE SYSTEM WAS CLEANED OUT. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A PAINTING. WE DID THE REPAINTING OF THE WHOLE FACILITY, AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THEN THIS IS JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THE NEW LIGHTING WITH THE NEW CEILING TILES. YOU CAN SEE IT'S PART OF THE AREA ALSO WITH THE NEW PAINTING IN THE BACKGROUND. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE THIS IS JUST SOME ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACES THAT WE ALSO DID THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BRIGHTNESS AND THE COLOR. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN WE ALSO REMOVE THE EXISTING FLOORING. SUMMER WAS THE TILE, SOME WAS CARPET, SOME WAS THE PAINTED FLOORING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THEN THIS IS EXISTING FLOORING. THIS IS WHAT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE. THIS IS THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS NEW FLOORING THAT WE INSTALLED. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. JUST SOME ADDITIONAL FLOORING, NEW FLOORING THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN WE ALSO PUT IN SOME VAPOR LIGHTING IN THE BACK AREA AND ALSO THE NEW FLOORING IN THE BACK AREA OF THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S. NEXT SLIDE. AND THE ONLY ITEMS THAT ARE STILL LEFT, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS, IS THE ADA ACCESSIBILITY AND THE FRONT AND ALSO WE NEEDED TO DO SOME PAYMENT MODIFICATIONS, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU DRIVING. SO WE WILL BE COMING BACK. RECOMMENDED TO DO THOSE ITEMS AND TRY TO GET SOME PURCHASE ORDERS. AND WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME PROPOSALS FOR SOME OF THEM, AND PRETTY MUCH TO DO THE ADA WILL BE ABOUT $30,000. THEN TO DO THE PARKING LOT, IN ORDER TO -- WHETHER DRIVING AND DON'T HAVE THOSE BUMPS HITTING THE CONCRETE, LOOKING AT ABOUT $25,000. >> JUDGE CANALES: QUESTION FOR [05:45:02] YOU: IS THAT IN YOUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET OR DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO NEED HELP? >> MALE SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK, JUDGE. WE ARE TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER AND HOPEFULLY BY SEPTEMBER -- OUR FUNDS ARE -- WE'VE ALREADY -- WE IDENTITY -- >> JUDGE CANALES: RIGHT. DO YOU THINK THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET OR NO? I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE FOR YOU. >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. I WOULD RECOMMEND, JUDGE, IF WE CAN. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME ADA MONIES. AND NEED TO TALK TO TERESA ABOUT THAT. MAYBE WE CAN FORM THE ADA PART OF IT FOR THE FRONT PART, BUT THE PARKING WILL BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD -- >> JUDGE CANALES: WHY DON'T YOU BRING BOTH ITEMS BACK EITHER ON THE 10TH OR THE NEXT COURT BUT WORK WITH THE COURT, EVERYBODY, WHEN I SAY THAT, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST FUNDING SOURCE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET THAT COMPLETED? >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. >> JUDGE CANALES: THEY WILL LET YOU KNOW WHETHER THEY THINK IT'S BEST TO WAIT TILL OCTOBER 1 OR WHETHER THEY THINK MAYBE HALF OF THIS WAITS UNTIL OCTOBER 1 AND THE OTHER HALF GOES. BUT THE TRICK IS DON'T PULL THE TRIGGER ON ANY OF THE PO'S JUST YET, BECAUSE IF WE WIND UP USING, LIKE, SOME FEDERAL FUND, THEN IT'S TIED TO DOING A CERTAIN WAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. I UNDERSTAND. >> JUDGE CANALES: JUST HOLD UNTIL NEXT WEEK AND MAYBE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING BOTH OF THOSE BACK. THAT WAY YOU WILL HAVE KIND OF COMPLETED YOUR RENOVATIONS. >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. >> MALE SPEAKER: [INDISCERNIBLE] YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND THE ENTRANCE? >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> MALE SPEAKER: THE FURNITURE THAT'S THERE, MAYBE WE CAN REPLACE IT WITH SOME WOOD FURNITURE. AS FAR AS SHARES, I'M JUST SAYING THE CHAIRS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN THERE. AT LEAST IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BETTER. >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, SIR. I WILL RECORDED WITH MICHAEL. HE HANDLES THE FURNITURE PART OF IT. >> MALE SPEAKER: I COME IN YOUR GROUP AND Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB. >> MALE SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY, JUDGE, I WANT TO THANK ROCKY PERSONALLY. HE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS COORDINATING ALL OF THESE VENDORS AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO EXPEDITE THE POS FROM THE AUDITORS TO MIAMI-DADE'S OFFICE AND PURCHASING. THINK YOU'LL. >> MALE SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> JUDGE CANALES: ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION WITH REGARDING SEE OKAY. WE WILL BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK. SO I'M JUST GOING TO -- I THINK WE ALREADY DEALT WITH IT. LORENZO, DO I NEED A MOTION OR PASS ON UNTIL NEXT WEEK? OKAY. I DID NOT MAKE IT BACK THEN. IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER TWO UNTIL NEXT WEEK? >> MALE SPEAKER: JUDGE, BEFORE I DO, AS AN ANCILLARY ITEM, CAN WE MAKE -- >> JUDGE CANALES: YES. >> MALE SPEAKER: -- THE MOTION TO PUT TOGETHER THE RFP FOR THIS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE REVIEW COMING BACK THAT SAYS WHAT THE HOMESTEAD? >> JUDGE CANALES: AS LONG AS JENNY SAYS IT'S OKAY, WE DID IT AND RELATED MATTERS SOMEWHERE. >> MALE SPEAKER: IT'S RELATED TO THE CONSIDER SELECTION OF. I THINK IT'S ANCILLARY TO THE ITEM. >> JUDGE CANALES: JENNY, WE ARE PUSHING IT, BUT I'M READY FOR THE AUTHORITY TO PROCURE. >> MALE SPEAKER: I'M JUST SAYING TO PUT TOGETHER THE RFP. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: I'M SURE HE COULD HAVE IT PRETTY CLOSE TO COMPLETE IN ANTICIPATION THAT YOU REQUEST THAT. >> JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. IS LISTENING TO US. SHE IS SAYING THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ALL GOING TO GO, THEN MAYBE HE CAN DO IT AND BE READY FOR IT BY NEXT WEEK. >> JUDGE CANALES: NEXT TO TOM BEING RIGHT WHICH I'M SURE HE IS, AND, JENNY, LOOKING AT THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO DELIGHT AND GET THE RFP GOING ON IT SO WE CAN GET THE PROJECT GOING. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: ON NEXT COMMISSIONERS COURT, THERE WILL BE AN ITEM THAT IS ACTUALLY DIRECTED MICHAEL TO DO THAT RFP. THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED, THAT FOOD COULD ORDER HIM TO DO THAT AT THAT TIME, BUT HE WOULD HAVE IT READY POTENTIALLY. >> MALE SPEAKER: CAN WE PUT ON THE AGENDA, ONE OF THE ALL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY? TODAY IS THE DEADLINE, RIGHT? WE NEED SOMETHING ON THERE NOW. >> JUDGE CANALES: OKAY. >> MALE SPEAKER: HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WOULD BE AN RFP OR RFQ? >> JUDGE CANALES: IT'S FUNNY. TRUST ME, WE HAD THAT HUGE DISCUSSION. >> MALE SPEAKER: RFQ.> FEMALE SPEAKER: HE SAID -- >> JUDGE CANALES: WE ARE ALSO. NORMALLY, YOU ARE RIGHT. WE ALSO THOUGHT THAT, BUT SOMEHOW, SOMEHOW THERE'S A LITTLE -- JUST BE READY FOR ANYTHING. [05:50:02] THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. BE READY FOR A Q OR A P, WHATEVER THEY TELL US. THE NEXT ONE IS -- NEXT TWO ARE SOMEWHAT RELATED BUT DIFFERENT PROJECTS. >> JUDGE CANALES: I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION TO TABLE TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER B. INDEFINITE TABLE UNTIL WE GET [3. Discuss and consider approval of a First Amendment to Work Authorization No. 2 with Lockwood, Andrews, and Newnam (LAN), Inc. for Program Management providing for re-allocation of previously committed funds.] [4. Discuss and consider approval of a Third Amendment to Work Authorization No. 1 with Lockwood, Andrews, and Newnam (LAN), Inc. for Program Management providing for re-allocation of previously committed funds.] CLARIFICATION. IS THERE A SECOND? >> MALE SPEAKER: SECOND. >> JUDGE CANALES: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ITEM NUMBER 3 AND 4. THEY ARE NOT ON THE SAME PROJECT. IT'S BASICALLY WORK AUTHORIZATION. ONE IS FOR HILLTOP AND THE OTHER IS FOR THE ME BUILDING AND REMIND ME WHICH IS WHICH. >> MALE SPEAKER: THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE FOR -- >> JUDGE CANALES: HILLTOP? >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. >> MALE SPEAKER: WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT NOW, BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOT THIS FROM ANY ISSUE. TOMYN SAYING EVERYTHING HAS TO GO FOR RFP. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THIS ONE EITHER UNTIL WE GET WORK BACK BECAUSE I MEAN I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT, BUT UNTIL WHAT TOM SAID TODAY, I THINK WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR RFP BECAUSE IT'S A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT, BOTH OF THEM, HILLTOP AND, WITH THE SECOND ONE, JUDGE? SORRY. >> MALE SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER -- >> MALE SPEAKER: ME. >> MALE SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER, THIS IS -- CFP MONIES. THEY WERE ERADICATED FROM THE CFP MONIES AND ALL WE ARE DOING IS A DEDUCTION FROM THE CONTRACT. >> JUDGE CANALES: WHAT HE'S DOING, SO ONE OF THEM, ON THE ME, I STILL THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER CHESNEY, IS WHAT HE'S SAYING ON THE ME BUILDING, SINCE WE'VE GONE TO A $7 MILLION BUILDING CURRENTLY IS TRYING TO -- HE RETURNED TO BRING THAT BACK DOWN; IS THAT CORRECT? >> MALE SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. >> JUDGE CANALES: IT WAS A CERTAIN LEVEL AND OUTCOME TO 7 MILLION. >> MALE SPEAKER: ,GREEN. >> JUDGE CANALES: I KNOW. BUT I THINK HE'S -- >> MALE SPEAKER: YOU WERE NOT HERE EARLIER. WHAT B SAID IS WHAT ANY FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT THAT WE DO, WE HAVE TO RFP EVERY ELEMENT OF THAT PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL FUNDS. I THINK IT IS MOOT BECAUSE, TO ME, THE WAY TOM IS EXPLAINING -- >> JUDGE CANALES: SO YOU KNOW, LA AND WAS RFP. >> MALE SPEAKER: BUT NOT UNDER THE ARPA SITUATIONS. YOU MAY BE RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW. >> MALE SPEAKER: >> JUDGE CANALES: AS LONG AS THE PROCUREMENT WAS DONE IN A FEDERALLY PROCURED MANNER, YOU ARE GOOD. >> MALE SPEAKER: I LIKE TO -- >> JUDGE CANALES: WE NEED TO CHECK. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT CAN BE SUBJECT TO. YOU ARE GOING FROM 25 MILLION TO 7 MILLION. >> MALE SPEAKER: AND ON HILLTOP? >> JUDGE CANALES: I DID IN WRONG ORDER, BUT I'M IN THE WRONG ORDER. LET'S TALK ME BECAUSE IT'S EASIER. >> MALE SPEAKER: ON THE ME, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS DESCRIBING THE WORK FROM -- >> JUDGE CANALES: 20, WHATEVER IT WAS. >> MALE SPEAKER: CORRECT. WITH THIS IS DOING IS WE ARE REMOVING THE 503,719 $50 FROM THE CFP MONIES AND THAT CAN GET REALLOCATED WHERE IT NEEDS TO GET REALLOCATED. >> JUDGE CANALES: PUT THAT -- IS THAT THE NUMBER THAT REPRESENTS THE 25 MILLION TO 7 MILLION? >> MALE SPEAKER: THAT REPRESENTS THE AMOUNT THAT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW, THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT IS IN THERE FOR -- >> JUDGE CANALES: ARE YOU SAYING YOU ARE NOT -- ARE YOU TRYING TO DISCOVER POLICE DEPARTMENT OUT OF THE ME BUILDING UP THERE? >> MALE SPEAKER: RECOMMEND SINCE WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED SOME MONIES FROM CIP MONIES, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT SOME OF THESE MONIES BE RE-SCOPED BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO SOME ROOF IMPROVEMENTS AT SOME OTHER -- >> JUDGE CANALES: SO YOU ARE TRYING TO GO 20. SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE -- THE COURT DIRECTED -- >> MALE SPEAKER: JUDGE, CAN WE GET AN OPINION FROM LEATHERY ON THIS BEFORE WE -- >> JUDGE CANALES: THAT'S FINE. >> JUDGE CANALES: A HEATED DISCUSSION ON THAT. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M HEADED ON HERE. WE'VE ALREADY ASSIGNED HIM THIS. >> MALE SPEAKER: WE ARE JUST RECOMMENDING IT'S -- >> JUDGE CANALES: I HEAR YOU. WE WILL GIVE YOU A TABLE. YOU CAN GET ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE. TABLE ITEM NUMBER 3 AND 4 UNTIL WE GET SOME PROCUREMENT, YOU KNOW, CLARITY. >> FEMALE SPEAKER: UNTIL? >> JUDGE CANALES: UNTIL THE LAST WEEK OF AUGUST. I HOPE BEFORE, I HOPE FOR THE 10TH. >> MALE SPEAKER: THAT IS TOO EARLY. >> JUDGE CANALES: WHATEVER THE NEXT WHEN IS, THE 17TH. >> MALE SPEAKER: IS THERE A MOTION? >> JUDGE CANALES: IS THERE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OKAY. NO? I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT. AND HE OPPOSED, AND HE SAYS NO. I'M [05:55:05] GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF OR ONLY LIKE THREE MINUTES AND ASK THE [1. Approve Monthly Financial Report for the Month of May 2022.] COMMISSIONER GONZALES TAKE OVER FOR THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT, AND I WILL BE RIGHT BACK. >> MALE SPEAKER: C1. >> MALE SPEAKER: C1, APPROVED FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF MAY 2022. >> MALE SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE THAT REPORT FOR ME 31ST OF 2022, WE GO THROUGH THE PAGES TO SEE WHERE OUR POSITIONS ARE. ON PAGE 4 AND 5, IT SHOWS YOUR ASSET BALANCES FOR ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES IN THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL AS THE OTHER FUNDS. AS WE GO THROUGH THE TOTALS OF THE BOOKS, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGE OF THESE ITEMS AS WE COME THROUGH. AND NEXT PAGE WE NEED TO GO TO WILL BE PAGE 10 AND 11. 10 AND 11 IS YOUR -- >> MALE SPEAKER: AS OF THE TAB DOWN? >> MALE SPEAKER: TABPARDON? >> MALE SPEAKER: WHAT TAB? >> MALE SPEAKER: PAGE 1011, WHERE YOUR SELF-INSURANCE FUNDS ARE. SELF-INSURANCE FUNDS FOR THE GROUP HELP IS VERY PROMISING AT SEVEN. $793,000 FUND BALANCE WHICH IS VERY GOOD AND WE KNOW WE GOT THE ARPA MONEY COMING IN FOR ABOUT 1.7 MILLION. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SOME GOOD NUMBERS THERE AND WILL HELP US WILL MAKE IT TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT VERY SOON, BECAUSE IF WE GO TO , BECAUSE IF WE GO TO PAGE 16, IT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT OUR REVENUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. OUR REVENUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS NOT COMING IN AS POSSIBLY AS WE HOPED IT WOULD COME IN. WE HOPED IT WOULD BE HIGHER THAN 89.5 PERCENT. HOPING IT WOULD BE A LITTLE HIGHER, BECAUSE OUR EXPENSES ARE KIND OF GOING UP. SO IF THE REVENUE STAYS LIKE WE ARE, THIS WILL BE VERY CHALLENGING AS WE GET TO THE POINT THAT WE START TALKING ABOUT OUR BUDGETS AND THE CYCLE OF NEXT MONDAY. SHOW OUR ESTIMATED ACTUALS. ESTIMATED ACTUALS ARE PREDICTING A LIST OF RESOURCES BUT WE WILL TRY TO -- WE JUST LOST RESOURCES AS BEST WE CAN AND ALL OPTION PLANS FOR US TO GO THROUGH. IF WE GO TO PAGE 22 WHERE OUR BUDGET IS FOR THE GENERAL FUNDS ARE THAT WILL GO THROUGH THOSE AT A NEGATIVE POSITION, PAGE 38. THE FIRST ONE SHOWS NEGATIVE POSITION AS LEGAL AID. LEGAL IT IS ALWAYS THERE BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE TO PAY RENT AT ONE TIME. IT'S A CHALLENGING ON THAT. THE NEXT PAGE ON 39, YOU WILL SEE THE MAGISTRATE COURT AT 0.08 PERCENT. THE REASON FOR THIS IS DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, THE COURT ADMINISTRATION TRANSFERS SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES BACK TO 32.50. WE WILL DO SOME BUDGET CHANGES, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE DEFICITS. THE NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO BE ON PAGE 52. SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THE 29. 3 PERCENT. THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS OF COURSE YOUR OVERTIME AND THEN THE BALANCE ARE YOUR SMALL TRAVEL AND BALANCES OF OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY USE THE FUNDS. SOME OF THIS HOUSE ALSO KNOW THAT WE WILL TRANSFER OUT. THIS WILL KIND OF RESOLVE ITSELF. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WILL SEE OTHER SERVICE CHARGES OF 2.2 MILLION. WE HAVE THAT $509,000 METRO COMMENTS WILL BE GOING TO ARPA FUNDS. WE WILL TAKE SOME MONEY OUT OF THEIR AS WELL AS SOME OF THE TRANSPORTING OF THE INMATES BETWEEN BACK AND FORTH OUT OF THE JAIL WHICH IS ON THE NEXT PAGE THAT WILL BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A DEFICIT, WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD RECOVER ITSELF. THE NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO PAGE 61. 61 IS THE VERY END OF THE GENERAL FUNDS SHOWING WE HAVE 44 PERCENT OF THE BUDGET REMAINING WITH 33 PERCENT OF THE YEAR. THAT SOUNDS GOOD, HOWEVER WE KNOW THAT OUR COURTS ARE STARTING TO RUN AGAIN. WHEN OUR COURTS START TO RUN, IT GETS VERY EXPENSIVE. UNFORTUNATELY, REVENUE DOESN'T FOLLOW THE COURT'S. REVENUE IS USUALLY FOR A FIVE OR SIX MONTHS BEHIND OUR COURTS. THAT'S WHY I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT REVENUE COMING IN WHEN WE KNOW WHERE EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE GOING UP. IF WE GO TO PAGE 70 AND 71, 71 TO SHOW YOUR BALANCES FOR SPECIAL FUNDS THAT EACH OF YOU HAVE. OF COURSE 71 IS YOUR DIABETES FUND THAT YOU EACH HAVE. THE SMALL ERROR ON PAGE 72, THEY ARE NOT SHOWING THE FUNDING BALANCES FOR THE RTA. WE WILL GET THAT CORRECTED VERY SOON. THE REMAINING BALANCE THAT YOU SEE ON THE REMAINING BALANCE THAT YOU SEE ON PAGE 82 IS WHERE OUR CAPITAL OUTLAYS [06:00:01] FUNDS ARE SPENT OUT OF THE SEAL FUNDS. WE SEE A MAJORITY OF OUR 2004, 2007 ALMOST GONE. THAT MAKES INTEREST. WE GET THAT SPENT AS WELL AS OTHER ONES. THE LARGEST WHEN WE SEE IS NOW THESE ARE -- THESE ARE ALREADY OBLIGATED THAT'S NOT SPENT IN THAT'S YOUR 2017 AND 24 MILLION. WE WILL GET THAT SPENT AS WELL AS YOUR OTHER ODDS ON THE LIST. >> MALE SPEAKER: DALE, I AM PRETTY SURE THAT I HAVE ALREADY SPENT MY DIABETES THIS YEAR. MAYBE IT HAS NOT BEEN CUT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOES NOT FALL THROUGH THE CRACK. SHOULD HAVE GONE -- >> MALE SPEAKER: IT COULD BE JUST THE TIMING ISSUE. >> MALE SPEAKER: THE DIABETES ASSOCIATION, I THINK IT WAS GONE. >> MALE SPEAKER: WILL CHECK AND MAKE SURE IT IS CORRECT. IN THE REPORT SHOWING THE REGULAR HE REPORTS THAT WE RECEIVED FOR.[INDISCERNIBLE] THE ONES WE ARE STILL WAITING IN HIS DISTRICT 5. WE ARE HAVING A DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM ON GETTING THE INFORMATION THEY NEED. THEY ARE BEHIND ON STAFFING ISSUES. THE FUNDS ARE REPORTED FOR MAY 31, 2020. SOME OF THIS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE. >> MALE SPEAKER: >> MALE SPEAKER: WHY IS IT SHOWING A NEGATIVE. >> JUDGE CANALES: WHEN WE WERE IN THE BALANCES, THEY DID NOT COME FORWARD. WE WILL GET THAT FIXED. >> MALE SPEAKER: I FORGOT ABOUT THOSE FUNDS. I NEED SOMEONE TO TELL ME WHAT IS TARSHISH I'VE GOT A PROJECT THAT I'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THEM. >> MALE SPEAKER: THAT'S THE REPORT FOR MAY 31. AS A SAID, WE ARE GETTING TO THE CHALLENGING YEAR WHEN WE START THE DISCUSSION MONDAY. YOU WILL SEE IT ON THE BOOKS, COUNTING PROPOSING A LOSS OF RESOURCES. AS WE MENTIONED, TRANSFERRING 35 PERCENT OF THE SS TO THE GENERAL FUND. WILL BE ASKING COURT FOR PERMISSION TO SUSPEND [1. Discuss and consider Nueces County student loan repayment policy, including any amendment.] >> ITEM D1. I ASKED JULIE TO PLACE THIS ON AND WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS AT ALL, LET'S TRY TO DESCRIBE JULIE, WHAT THE CONCERN IS AND MAYBE WHAT A GOOD REMEDY IS WHILE STILL KEEPING TO OUR CURRENT POLICY, WHICH IS THAT YOU HAVE WORKED FOR TWO YEARS AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO RECOUP UP TO ASK AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. DO I NEED 1500 A YEAR ON STUDENT LOANS? >> IT'S $1200. >> $1200. $200 PER YEAR AND IF YOU WALK TWO YEARS, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT EVER PAYING IT BACK. IF YOU LEAVE BEFORE THE TWO YEARS, WE ARE ÃÃOWN POLICY TRIGGERS. >> SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LENGTHY PERIOD OF TIME. >> THAT IS THE AMENDMENT. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CHANGE IT TO. THAT'S WHAT MY RECOMMENDATIONS KENNEDY. >> I THINK THE INTENT ON THIS IS GOING TO BE. >> NEWBIES. >> TO BE HERE FOR SIX MONTHS AND HIT THE ROAD. >> NEWBIES. >> NOT TO IT. IF SOMEONE'S PET THE COUNTY FOR 15 OR 10 YEARS OR SIX YEARS OR WHATEVER. I CERTAINLY THINK THE INTENT OF THE COURT WAS WORK THERE TO BE NOT. >> THE CURRENT POLICY SAYS THERE IS A RETENTION OF TWO YEARS. AFTER THE FIRST PAYMENT HAS BEEN MADE. >> WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? >> MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT SOMEBODY HAS BEEN HERE TWO YEARS PERIOD PRIOR TO THIS FIRST PAYMENT BEING MADE, THEN WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO MAKE THEM PAY IT BACK. >> I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION AND I WOULD MAKE IT RETRO TO I'M GOING TO SAY. >> WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST? AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE HAD SEVEN PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY.AY SOMETHING BACK. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> THEY WERE ALL HERE OVER THE TWO YEARS. >> I DON'T KNOW. [INDISCERNIBLE] HOW LONG, LIKE, LET'S SAY WE MADE IT FOUR YEARS OR FIVE YEARS. >> WHAT IS THE RANGE? >> OR SEVEN. >> IF WE SAID FIVE YEARS, DOES ANYBODY FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT? COINCIDED? >> AFTER GOING CHECK THE START DATE. >> MAYBE IT SHOULD BE LONGER [06:05:01] THAN TWO. BUT PART OF ME DOESN'T WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T ANYBODY THINK I'M DOING THIS FOR ANYONE INDIVIDUAL. WANT TO CLEAN THIS UP, BUT I DO WANT TO CLEAN IT UP FOR THE SEVEN IF POSSIBLE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, NUMB TO HIS NOT QUITE BIG ENOUGH TO MAKE A MOTION. TO DOESN'T FEEL QUITE LONG ENOUGH, BUT MAYBE IT'S FOUR. MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING. FIVE OR SOMETHING. >> CAN YOU JUST SEE AND GO LOOK REAL QUICK AND SEE WHAT THAT IS? >> I CAN. >> BEEN ÃÃTO HAVE AN AVERAGE OF WHAT WE ARE PAYING OUT? ARE WE STARTING WITH THE I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY WHERE WE SHOULD. WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST ÃÃI STARTED THINKING ABOUT THE STUDENT LOAN. MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THE STUDENT LOAN. MAYBE YOU SHOULD'VE JUST GONE FREELY ON THE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT. SO, WILL BE ÃÃHOW CAN WE DO THAT? IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ELIMINATE THE STUDENT LOAN IF WE HAVE TO? >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE BOTH PROGRAMS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO ELIMINATE. WE ARE HELPING ABOUT 20 PEOPLE OR 25 PEOPLE OR SO RIGHT NOW. >> HOW DOES IT WORK? >> SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAID OFF THEIR LOANS AND HAVE DROPPED OFF THEIR PROGRAM. SO, IT'S ACTUALLY HELPING. >> IS HELPING PEOPLE IN THE BOTTOM? OR HELPING PEOPLE ON THE TOP? >> I CANNOT TELL YOU RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHO IS ALL IN BOLD, BUT ANYBODY THAT BRINGS ME THE INFORMATION. WE ARE ENROLLING THEM.> THE ONLY PEOPLE AT THE TOP WERE SITTING RIGHT HERE AT THE DAIS. EVERYBODY ELSE IS AN EMPLOYEE UNDERPAID. [LAUGHTER] >> IF THERE IS A RECRUITING TOOL FOR US? BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT ROUTE TO RECRUITMENT BENEFIT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO USE. THAT WE ASSIST WITH TUITION AND THAT WE ALSO ASSIST WITH STUDENT LOANS. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH INTUITION. I STARTED THING ABOUT HOMES YOU KNOW? WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THAT LOAN IF IT TAKES OF HER SCHOOL ALL OF IT OR HOW MUCH IS IT FOR? >> IT'S ALL FOR SCHOOL. THE MAJORITY OF IT IS OH BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. >> HOW DOES IT WORK NOW? TELL US AGAIN HOW OUR POLICY WORKS? >> THE POLICY IS IF AN EMPLOYEE WORKS WITH NUECES COUNTY AND HAVE MET OUR PROBATIONARY PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS. WE START MAKING LOAN PAYMENTS. EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1 OF LAST YEAR. >> BEFORE THEN? >> YES SIR. WE ARE PAYING $100 A MONTH FOR EACH EMPLOYEE. >> RIGHT. >> WE ARE PAYING IT QUARTERLY. SO DALE PAYS THEM. HE MAKES ONE PAYMENT. >> I SEE. >> MAKES ONE PAYMENT EVERY THREE MONTHS. >> THEY LEAVE UNDER TWO YEARS, THE IF THE PAYBACK WHAT WE PAID? >> CREEK. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. SO, CAN WE ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT'S FOUR YEARS. JUST CHECKED IT OUT. THE EMPLOYEE WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF YEARS WAS FOUR YEARS. THEY ALL HAD A RETENTION OF FOUR YEARS PRIOR TEST PAIN. THEY HAD ALL BEEN HERE BEFORE. >> SO, THAT WOULD EQUALIZE IF WE SAID SOMEONE HAS TO BE HERE FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR YEARS. AND IT'S NOT THE DATE FROM WHICH THEY GET THEIR PAYMENT. IF THEY WORKED THE COUNTY FOR FOUR YEARS. THEY'LL HAVE TO REPAY AT THE END OF THE MONTH. THAT WOULD BE FAIR FOR EVERYBODY, CORRECT?> I WILL SECOND THAT. I WILL MAKE IT RETRO. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE SEVEN OR HOWEVER MANY ARE THERE. SO NOBODY HAS TO. >> THIS WOULD REQUIRE DALE ÃÃ YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CALCULATIONS. MEAN, THEY HAVE GOTTEN DEDUCTED FROM THEIR PAYCHECK. YOU WOULD HAVE TO RESTORE THAT TO THEM DALE. >> NO, NO, NO. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ÃÃWE GET MONEY BACK FOR THE PIT WE MAY HAVE TO PAY THEM BACK IF IN THE PORT. >> THEY ARE NOT HERE ANYMORE. >> THEY'RE NOT HERE ANYMORE? >> THE SEVEN I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE THE SEVEN THAT ARE STILL ACTIVE. >> NO, SEVEN HAVE ALREADY LEFT THE COUNTY. AND WE HAD THAT WITHHOLD MONEY ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY. >> I SEE. >> WITH THE ISSUE A CHECK. >> JUDGE CAN ALSO SPIRIT. >> IS $1200 IF THEY'VE GOT OFF THE ENTIRE YEAR. $1200 AT THE MOST. >> WE COULD'VE PAID HIM FOR THREE YEARS. WE JUST STARTED THE POLICY. >> WE JUST STARTED IN 21. >> ONE YEAR, YES. >> WE CAN CORRECT AND CORRECT AS THEY SAY. WE CAN MAKE A BETTER POLICY THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH OUR INTENT AND THEN WE CAN KEEP EVERYBODY. >> YES.> WILL MAKE UP THE CHECKS, WE CUT THE CHECKS TO THE BANK, NOT THE EMPLOYEE. FOR THE LOAN AGREEMENT. >> MY FIRST MOTION JUDGE WOULD BE TO CHANGE THE POLICY TO WHERE IF THEY WORKED HERE IN AN ACCUMULATIVE 14 YEARS PRIOR. PRIOR. OR FOUR YEARS TOTAL, RIGHT?> OKAY. SO, DO WE WANT FROM THAT POINT GOING FORWARD FOR EMPLOYEES? DO WE WANT A RETENTION OF TWO YEARS OR A RETENTION OF FOUR? >> I THINK IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY ARE HERE IN A TOTAL OF [06:10:08] FOUR YEARS. RIGHT NOW, THEY TO STAY TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF WHATEVER. I AM CITING A TOTAL OF FOUR YEARS OR TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF PAYMENT. WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY. A TOTAL OF FOUR YEARS EMPLOYMENT OR TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF EMPLOYMENT. AND THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THOSE SEVEN PEOPLE EQUALLY. NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY SPECIAL. AND THEN GOING FORWARD, WE WOULD KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A PAYBACK DEAL. UNLESS IT'S LESS THAN THE TWO YEARS. THEY WILL HAVE FOUR YEARS ACCUMULATION. IS THAT FAIR? ANYBODY ANYBODY? >> I AGREE. >> I THINK FOUR YEARS PRIOR'S OF SERVICE. MOVING FORWARD IT WOULD BE TWO YEARS RETENTION. >> YES.HAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. >> THAT IS YOUR MOTION AND I SECOND THAT. >> RETRO TO THE BEGINNING OF OUR PROGRAM. >> RIGHT.> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?> WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE PAY UP TO $1800. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE VERY PAID HALF OF THIS YEAR. >> HAD THEY BEEN HERE THAT LONG? >> WE DID IT FOR PEOPLE TO HELP ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT WAS BUDGETED.E DID SPEND ABOUT 32,000 LAST YEAR AND WE BUDGETED. >> I THINK WE'RE GONNA BUDGET 50. >> 50, OKAY. >> THERE IS AN ISSUE WHERE THE CHECKS ARE GOING TO GO. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS PAID TO THIS BACK TO THE COUNTY OR HAD THIS RETAINED BACK TO THE COUNTY. THINK OTHER PEOPLE LISTENING WHO WOULD BE. >> WHY IS THAT? >> YOU SEE, WHAT WE DID IS YOU HAVE TO PAY US BACK. SO, WE PAID THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT. >> RIGHT. >> YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE THEM UNJUSTLY ENRICHED. THAT'S WHAT WE DID IS THAT HE TOOK THEM FROM THE EMPLOYEE. THE PAYCHECK WITHDRAWAL. >> YOU PAY THE EMPLOYEE BACK. >> THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION GOT PAID.ND NOW WE ARE SAYING POINT HE, YOU PASS BACK. WE WITHDRAWAL YOUR LAST PAYCHECK THE DOCTOR WHATEVER WE YOU OWE US. NOW WE ARE SAYING THAT WE OWE THEM A REFUND. >> ON NORMAL SALARY AND WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL FOUR EUROS PER MONTH FOR THE RETENTION OF THE LOAN. WE ACCORDINGLY WERE THEN DEDUCTED FROM THE SOLUBILITY AS A LIABILITY. WE WOULD PAY THE LOAN COMPANY. NOW WE ARE SAYING WHEN THEY LEAVE, OUR PROCESS IS THAT THEY HAVE TO REPAY US FOR WHAT WE PAID FOR THE LOAN. >> IF THEY'VE NOT REPAID AS YET, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. WE JUST WEIGH IT. IF THEY PHYSICALLY HAVE TO REPAY US, THEN THEY WILL DO THAT. >> THE WAY WE WOULD NORMALLY DO IS THAT WE WE WOULD NOT WITHHOLD IT FROM THE LAST CHECK. >> THAT MEANS WE TOOK FROM THEM. >> YES.> THAT'S ONE THING. WE WOULD OWE THEM ON THE REFUND ON THE LAST CHECK. OKAY. >> OKAY. YES. TO THE PERSON, NOT THE LONG PERPLEXED TO THE PERSON, RIGHT? IT WAS HELP FROM THE LAST PAYCHECK. >> IT SHOULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN EXPLANATORY LETTER.IGHT? IN THE WORDS PUT IT ALL OUT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> YOU WANT TO COME BACK, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU PICK. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A MOUTHFUL. WE WILL HAVE CHECKS THAT THE? IT NEXT TO GET THE CHECKS. >> ALL RIGHT. . >> I NEED ABOUT JUDGE. >> I'VE GOT A MOTION FROM YOU IN A SECOND AND ME.LL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. >> I. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY JULIE. >> IF HE GETS IT, RIGHT? >> THAT IS IT EXCEPT FOR THAT I'VE GOT TO GO INTO DUST AS I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I SKIPPED OVER JUST SO LET DENZER KNOWS. I SKIPPED OVER ITEM NUMBER 282. AND WE WERE GONNA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THAT. AND I ALSO SKIPPED OVER TO A 16. >> TO A 16. >> OKAY, LET ME CHECK THAT OUT. WELL, WE DID SKIP OVER THE MILLER ONE THAT YOU SAID. >> I DON'T NEED TO GO TO EXECUTIVE ANYMORE. I AM READY TO RATIFY A MOTION TO RATIFY WITH MR. MILLER. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. >> I. >> OKAY. AND THE ÃÃLET'S SEE HERE. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE ONLY EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS THAT WE HAVE. AND I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU ON THE G1 INFORMATION REPORTS. BEFORE I SKIPPED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL REGARDING ANY OF THE DISASTERS HE WRAPPED, ARPA, ANY OF THAT? OKAY. I KNOW THAT TODAY WE ARE MONITORING ÃÃI JUST GET SOME EMAILS ON IT. WE ARE MONITORING FIRE HAZARD AGAIN. I JUST KNOW THAT NUECES, THANK GOODNESS IS NOT ON TODAY'S BIG [06:15:03] WEATHER SERVICE. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT LOUIS WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT THIS IS SCARY.UT APPARENTLY WE ARE IN FOR A COOL FRONT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ÃÃIT'S ONLY GONNA BE TEST TEST BELOW 110. >> AND 97 COOL FRONT. >> I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE THRESHOLD FOR OUR COOLING CENTER HAS BEEN OVER 110. WE OPENED THEM UP. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I AM ASKING YOUR OPINION. IF YOU TYPICALLY ARE THRESHOLD IS 110. ANYTHING ABOVE IT AND WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP ON HE AND THE SEAS. WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP ALL THE COOLING CENTERS. THIS IS HEAT AND DISEASE. NOT THE ACTUAL TEMP, BUT THE HEAT INDEX. SO, SUPPOSEDLY ARE THRESHOLD Ã ÃIT'LL BE 110 THIS WEEKEND. AND LOUIS WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU DIRECT OTHERWISE, BECAUSE I TOLD HIM I'M GOING TO BE ASKING YOU. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? BY THE WAY, THEY USE THESE COOLING CENTERS. BUT OF COURSE WE USE STAFF WHEN WE USE THESE COOLING CENTERS. SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE BELOW 110. AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT Y'ALL'S COMMENTS. RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON OPENING BECAUSE WE SET THAT THRESHOLD SOME TIME AGO. AND AGAIN THE ONLY INFORMATION I HAVE TO OFFER IS ABOUT THE FIRE AND I WILL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. >> JUDGE, ARE WE DOING? >> AM ASKING YOU GUYS. >> I WAS CAN ASK ARE WE DOING ARE WE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THAT? >> I CAN BRING IT UP EITHER WAY. THERE'S REALLY NOBODY HERE.> I DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS. >> THE LEGAL QUESTION IS ITS A CONTRACT AMENDMENT. THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ONLY HAS SO MANY TRAVEL EXPENSES THAT ARE ALLOWED. >> JUDGE, I'M OKAY IF WE JUST LEAVE OUT THE OTHER PARTS THAT WE KEEP BRINGING THEM.'M OKAY WITH WHAT THIS PROPOSING. WHAT'S ALL IT IS IS TRYING TO GET IT STRAIGHT WITH THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THAT IS IT. FOR HALF AND FOR ICE. AND TO DO THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ABANDON ROUGH TRAVEL EXPENSES AND PUT EVERYTHING ON THE ICE PIECE. BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THEIR CONTRACTS ARE RED. >> AS LONG AS THE WATER BOARD IS OKAY WITH THIS. THEN I'M FINE WITH IT TOO. >> AND THAT IS THE REPRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WILL MOVE PASSAGE, WE DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WHAT'S I'M MOVING PAST. >> I WILL SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. >> WE WILL PASS IT ASIDE. >> WE NEED TO DISCUSS. >> DID ANYBODY NEED TO DISCUSS BEFORE VOTING NO? >> HEADED WE COME UP WITH HUNDRED AND 8000? >> YOU SHOULD'VE SAID. CAN WE PULL BACK BEFORE WE CAN DISCUSS. I DID NOT REALIZE PICK. >> I'M HAPPY. COMMISSIONER, THIS HAS BEEN A CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED A LONG TIME AGO. HOW DID WE COME UP WITH IT? >> I'M SAYING WHY DID WE CHANGE? JUST BECAUSE SOME HE COMPLAINED ABOUT MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES? >> NO SIR. >> DID IT,? OR IS IT THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW GOING TO SWITCH THE 8002 100. >> SHE'S BASICALLY EATING THE EXPENSES. >> 800,000 FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT AMOUNT IS. SHE HAS DECIDED TO EAT THE EXPENSES TRAVEL EXPENSES THAT WE ARE NOT QUALIFIED. THIS IS JUST A SUPPLEMENTAL. >> SHEETS THEM ANYWAY.> AT LEAST SHE DID NOT CHARGE US FOR THEM. THIS IS A SUPPLEMENTAL CONTRACT THAT WE VERY BUDGETED FOR, RIGHT? I'M ASKING.> SO, COMMISSIONER GONZALES, LET'S START FROM THE BEGINNING. AND ICE, WHEN WE HIRED SUSAN OFF TO BE THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE TRI-COUNTY DRAINAGE STUDY, WE EXECUTED A STUDY CONTRACT WITH HER AND AND TRAVEL EXPENSES. THEN, LATER IN TIME, WE HIRED. >> EXCUSE ME, I DO NOT WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU. WHEN I SAY TRAVEL, IT'S TRAVEL COMING TO AND FROM. HOTEL NIGHT. SO, YOU'RE GONNA GET PER DIEM OR? >> THE CONTRACT CALLED FOR CERTAIN AMOUNT AND IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT NORMALLY IS INCLUDED IN TRAVEL EXPENSES. AND SO, THE POINT IS WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES IS ZERO HER OUT. SHE'S NOT GETTING TRAVEL EXPENSES. AND THE REASON IS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS A. AND THAT IS BEING UTILIZED BY AND A HALF AND ICE.HEY HAVE TRAVEL EXPENSES. >> THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL TESTIS IN THE SUN. >> IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE CONTRACT PRICE AT ALL. THIS MAKES US MONEY. NOT LOSES US MONEY.> MIGHT Ã ÃAS I SAID I WOULD BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND NOW IS WE ARE FORGETTING ALL THE OTHER STUFF [06:20:03] AROUND IT. THAT THIS WAS A SITUATION WHERE ÃÃTHERE IS NO ADDITIONAL COST. THIS IS EFFECTIVE LESS OF A COST AND SHE IS ON HER OWN CHOICE ME PICTURES TO EAT THE TRAVEL EXPENSES. AND I DON'T A WHILE. THAT IS FINE. SHE DID. >> SO, THIS IS EXPANDED BY? >> I CANNOT HEAR YOU. >> THIS IS THE EXPENSES THAT ARE BEING EXPANDED BY HALF, ICE, AND HER? >> NO, THIS IS HER AMENDMENT. THIS IS A CONTRACT FOR HER AMENDMENT AND IT'S NOT. THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PUT THIS IS ALREADY BUDGETED AMOUNT FOR HER. I DON'T KNOW. DUBUQUE REMIND ME JUDGE. I REMEMBER WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS IN THE AGREEMENT? >> THE REASON WE HAVE TO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL'S BIGGEST TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS A CONTRACT WITH US. AND THEY HAVE A CAP ON EXPENSES. AND WHEN YOU TAKE HALF EXPENSES FOR TRAVEL AND ICE IS EXPENSES FOR TRAVEL AND YOU ADD THEM UP. THAT IS YOUR WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF EXPENSES. SO, THE ONLY WAY ÃÃIN ORDER TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT IT DEVELOP MY BOARDS RULES AND CONTRACT AND NOT BE IN BREACH. WE NEED TO DO AN AMENDMENT AND GET BACK TO THEM. THAT MEANS. WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE CONTRACTS. WE LOOKING AT HALF.CE AND THE PROGRAM MANAGER, ROTH. WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL THIS TROUBLE EXPENSES, IT EXCEEDS WHAT THEY CAN DO. >> NOW AGAIN, THE REASON THIS HAPPENED IS BECAUSE WE DID SUSAN'S FIRST. NOTHING CHANGES HERE AT ALL WITH THE CONTRACT. ALL WE ARE DOING IS SHOWING UP THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD SIDE OF THINGS. HALF AND ICE GET ALL THE TRAVEL EXPENSES. SUSAN GETS NOTHING.ET ALL THOSE DOLLARS IN LABOR. WHICH IS GREAT. AND IF WE DON'T DO THIS, YOU ARE VIOLATING THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD'S ORIGINAL CONTRACT. SO, YOU NEED TO FIX IT. MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT BRINGS US MONEY BACK I THINK TO THE TUNE OF $4000. SO, IT'S GOOD FOR US. IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S WHY I SAID IT WAS A LEGAL SITUATION. THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. REQUIREMENT. AND I THOUGHT SINCE IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH CONTRACTS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST US. SO IT'S KIND OF NICE TO NOT HAVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE AND COME BACK AND GO BACK OUT. >> ,20 ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUDGE? >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT US MAKING $4000. >> NO, BUT HOW MUCH EXTRA IS BROUGHT? >> SHE GETS NO EXTRA. THAT IS THE WHOLE THING PIT SHE GETS ZERO EXTRA. THE CONTRACT STATES THE EXACT SAME. >> BASICALLY THIS IS JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE ON THIS CONTRACT, RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY FUNDING. >> IT AS ZERO DOLLARS PER. >> THE TECHNICAL CHANGE AFTER I WAS ABLE TO GATHER FROM CONVALESCENT. I WAS ABLE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND IT BUT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL FUNDS. THIS IS ALREADY BUDGET FUNDS. THIS IS A TECHNICAL CHANGE ON THE SNAFU THAT WE'VE HAD WITH TRAVEL STUFF? IS THAT CORRECT? JENNY, AS I READ THIS AND LOOK AT THIS TO? >> ON THIS ÃÃHOLD ON. THIS IS STILL NUMBER TWO? >> ON SUSAN ROTH. CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. JUST SO I CAN PREPARE AND IF I HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS. >> THIS IS THE ONE YOU READ PREVIOUSLY LOOKED AT AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ARTICULATING CORRECTLY TO THE COMMISSIONER. >> I WOULD HAVE TO HEAR YOUR ARTICULATION AGAIN. >> BASICALLY WHAT IDEA CONFIRMED AND WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO CONFIRM IS THAT THIS IS NOT ANY ADDITIONAL COST. THIS IS A TECHNICAL CHANGE IN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE OF THE SNAFU THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH THE OVER EXPENDITURE ON TRAVEL EXPENSES. SO, THIS IS A NET GAIN TO US OF THAT $4000 THAT SHE IS GIVING UP ON TRAVEL EXPENSES. BUT WE HAVE TO REDO THE CONTRACT BECAUSE WE ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND THIS IS A TECHNICAL CHANGE. NOT A COST INCREASE. >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. INSTEAD OF USING THAT MONEY TOWARDS ITEMS FOR TRAVEL, THEY WOULD BE WORK HOURS FOR HER. >> THEN SHE HAS TO EARN AND SHE'S NOT GETTING ANYTHING FOR. THIS SHE WORKS THE HOURS TO EARN. >> WHEN SHE TRAVELS AND SHE STAYS AT A HOTEL. THOSE ARE HOURS EARNED. >> NO. SHE HAS TO PAY THAT. >> IF SHE IS WORKING, THAT IS HOW SHE WOULD EARN IT. >> SHE HAS TO WORK. THE SLEEPING DOES NOT COUNT AS HOURS PER. >> SHE DOES NOT GET TRAVEL PITCHES FOREGOING THE TRAVEL. AND SHE IS SAYING ÃÃWHICH IS WRONG, OKAY? >> SHE'S GIVING US ALL THE HOURS PER. >> SHE CHARGES THE HOURS TO, RIGHT? >> THE GRANT PAYS FOR HER WHOLE CONTRACT. HERE, SHE IS CHARGING IT BACK TO THE CONTRACT. >> RIGHT. SHE'S NOT GETTING HER TRAVEL. > THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT, SO, WILL YOU RENEW YOUR MOTION? THERE IS NO REAL CHANGE. IT'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THEN WE WILL TAKE THE VOTE AGAIN. IT'S THE SAME VOTE. MUST YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE. IT'S 3Ö. >> I WILL VOTE FOR PER. >> OKAY, 5Ä. OKAY. [06:25:01] THAT IS ALL I HAVE LORENZO. DO YOU MIND DOING A DOUBLE CHECK? AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ÃÃI'M GONNA TAKE YOUR ACQUIESCENCE IS. IT'S OKAY. WE WANT TO COOLING CENTERS.Y THE WAY, IF ANYTHING CHANGES GUYS, WE ALWAYS REACT. IF SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENS IN THE WEATHER AND THE HEAT, WE WILL OPEN THOSE COOLING CENTERS. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE IN TROUBLE, CALLED LOUIS. HE WILL DO IT. BUT THAT THRESHOLD HAS BEEN A GOOD NUMBER SO FAR FOR US. OKAY? >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? CHECK WITH EDWARD BECAUSE HE SAID IT WAS BLOWING HOT AIR. HE SAID WE REALLY ALMOST NEED LIKE MINI SPLITS RATHER THAN FANS BECAUSE HE SAID THE FANS WERE BLOWING TOO MUCH HOT AIR. ANYWAY, CHECK WITH HIM. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE GUYS. >> JUDGE? >> YES. >> I HAD A CALL FROM EDWARD AND HE SAID HE'S GOING ON VACATION IN TWO MONTHS OR SOMETHING? >> I DID NOT KNOW THAT. >> I DID NOT THAT EITHER. >> HE SAID WE COULD GIVE HIM A CALL. [ Adjournment in Memory (upon request)] >> HE'S GOT SLY IN COMMAND. >> RIGHT.> IT WILL BE SLY THAT WE CALL, NOT EDWARD. GOOD TO KNOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M FEELING GOOD ABOUT SHUTTING THIS DOWN. WE HAVE A LOT OF ÃTHIS WILL ALLOW. IF YOU ADJOURNMENTS. WHO ASKS? WHO HAS WON FIRST? GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER CHESNEY? >> JUDGE, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER OUR CONDOLENCES TO JUDGE NEIL'S FAMILY, SAMUEL LLOYD NEIL JUNIOR WENT TO BE WITH THE LORD ON JULY 3, 2022. SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMEN, DEVOTED FATHER, GRANDFATHER, GREAT-GRANDFATHER PRETTY HE LEFT AN INDELIBLE MARK ON ALL WHO KNEW HIM AND HIS LEGACY IS ONE OF UNPARALLELED DEVOTION OF SERVICE, LEADERSHIP, AND UPON ACCOMPLISHMENT. HE WAS LOVING AND SUPPORTIVE HUSBAND TO HIS WIFE OF 63 YEARS PER DAY WERE HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS ARE MARRIED IN THEIR HOMETOWN IN PARIS TEXAS IN 1959 WITH A TOTAL OF $50 BETWEEN THEM AND THE NEWLYWEDS EMBARKED ON THEIR HONEYMOON WITH A 40 DRIVE FROM FORT BENNING GEORGIA. REPORTING FOR ACTIVE-DUTY AND RANGER SCHOOL PRETTY WORKED MULTIPLE JOBS AND RECEIVED HIS BBA DEGREE IN MARKETING FROM TEXAS A&M COLLEGE IN 1959. WHILE AT A AND M, HE WAS AT THE CORE OF CADETS, A DISTINGUISHED STUDENT AND DISTINGUISHED MILITARY STUDENT AND DISTINGUISHED MILITARY GRADUATE PRETTY HE LEARNED A BA IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AT TEXAS UNIVERSITY BY ATTENDING CLASSES AT NIGHT. AND ON WEEKENDS FOLLOWING HIS ACTIVE-DUTY SERVICE, HE WENT TO WORK FOR PROCTER AND GAMBLE AT SAN ANTONIO AT GROCERY STORES WHO ALREADY HAD SHELVES FULL OF SOAP. HE MOVED TO CORPUS CHRISTI IN 1963 SO LLOYD CAN BEGIN CAREER IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.E DEVOTED 40 YEARS TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL CAREER IN INSURANCE FIRST WITH AETNA. CASUALLY AND WHICH WOULD LATER BECOME BECAME WL DAN WHERE HE BECAME THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY 1978. IN 1990, DENT MERGED INTEGRAL HUBBLE AND HOBBES. HRH AND NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY AND LLOYD BECAME THE PRESIDENT AND CORPUS CHRISTI AND VICE PRESIDENT OF HRH TEXAS OKLAHOMA.E REMAINED UNTIL HE RETIRED IN 1997 TO PURSUE PUBLIC SERVICE ON A FULL-TIME BASIS. HIS MILITARY CAREER SPENT MORE THAN 30 YEARS IN THE ACTIVE ARMY AND ARMY RESERVE. HE RETIRED AS A COLONEL IN 1989 AND WAS A GRADUATE OF THE U.S. ARMY COMMAND AND GENERAL STAFF. U.S. ARMY WAR COLLEGE FOR 16 YEARS BUT HE DEVOTED HIS SPARE TIME TO IMPROVING THE LIVES OF OTHERS. HIS SERVICE AND LEADERSHIP POSITIONS INCLUDE, NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THEM. BUT THERE ARE 100 OF THEM ON THIS LIST BUT IT'S THE INCREDIBLE IN THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE THAT HE HAD. IN 1997, THIS ACCOMPLISHED BUSINESSMAN AND VOLUNTEER LEADER DECIDED TO RUN FOR OFFICE BELIEVING HE COULD MAKE A BIGGER DIFFERENCE IN THE COMMUNITY IF HE COULD SERVE IN A MORE OFFICIAL CAPACITY. FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, PEOPLE CORPUS CHRISTI AND NUECES COUNTY HAD A MORE ARDENT SUPPORTER AND ADVOCATE AND LLOYD NEIL PRETTY WAS ELECTED TO SERVE FOUR TERMS OF THE MAYOR CORPUS CHRISTI FROM 2000 92,006. HE SEARCHED FOR THREE TERMS FROM 2008 TO 2008. THREE TERMS AS THE COUNTY JUDGE. HE BATTLED MYASTHENIA GRAVIS, AND AUTOIMMUNE OR NEUROLOGICAL ISSUE THAT HE DRESSED BUT NEVER LED TO DAMPEN HIS SPIRIT. HIS ENTHUSIASM AND VISIONARY LEADERSHIP HE WAS OUT DRIVING FORCE IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BANK CENTER.N MINOR-LEAGUE BASEBALL CENTER FOR THE USE OF THE ASTROS KNOWN AS WATER ROOM FILLED. IN 2003, WHICH LEADERSHIP ÃÃ CORPUS CHRISTI WAS DESIGNATED AS AN ALL-AMERICAN CITY. HIS COUNTY JUDGE, HE GUIDED NUECES COUNTY THROUGH HURRICANE HARVEY AND REBUILDING PROCESS THAT HAD MANY OTHER COMPLIMENTS. IN 1996, HE WAS ESTABLISHED AS AN ALUMNI IN THIS CITY, STATE, AND COUNTY. JUST 19, HE WAS INDUCTED INTO THE CORE CADET. HE RECEIVED NUMEROUS AWARDS FOR HIS LEADERSHIP SERVICE AND THE COMPLIMENTS. PERHAPS HIS GREATEST PASSION [06:30:04] WAS THE LOVE OF TEXAS A&M IN TEXAS AGGIE BAND. AS A SEASON-TICKET HOLDER, MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY MADE THE PUBLIC FROM CORPUS CHRISTIE OR WHEREVER THEY RELOCATED TO COLLEGE STATION FOR ALMOST EVERY AGGIE HOLDING HOME GAME. MOST 50 YEARS. THAT WAS NOT ENOUGH AGGIE FOOTBALL. MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY ALSO TRAVELED 20 STATES INCLUDING HAWAII TO ATTEND OUT OF OUT-OF-TOWN GAMES AND MAKING MEMORIES OF PURSUIT. HAVING A NATIONAL CHIPPING SHIP HE WAS A LONGTIME MEMBER OF ST. JOHN'S METHODIST CHURCH AND UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. IN THE 70S HE STARTED BASKETBALL PROGRAM AT THE ST. JAMES EPISCOPAL AND COACHED YOUTH BASEBALL FOR SEVEN YEARS. THE PADRE LITTLE LEAGUE. BASEBALL, EXCUSE ME. HE ALSO SERVED AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE TOM BROWN JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.HENEVER CHILDREN PARTICIPATED IN A SPORT OR EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITY, HE WAS THERE WHEN CENTER IS THE BIGGEST SUPPORTER. HE SURVIVED BY HIS WIFE THETIS, NEIL EDDIE, AND THE THIRD AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW CARLA. POP IS ALSO SURVIVED BY SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN. LATE JAMES EDDIE, LOGAN DEMPSEY EDDIE, CHRISTIE SHERRY EDDIE, STRONG COMPETENCE NEIL AND SAVANNA GRACE NIPPERT AND BY HIS TWO GREAT GRANDCHILDREN, PENELOPE MARGARET AND DOROTHY COLLINS NEIL. VISITATION WILL BE HELD FROM 5:30 TO 8 PM 30 AT SEASIDE FUNERAL HOME. SERVICE TO CELEBRATE THE LIFE OF LLOYD ME WILL BE HELD AT 2 PM ON AUGUST 7 BETWEEN 2022 AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AT TEXAS AND AM PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY PRETTY WILL BE BURIED AT THE AGGIE FIELD OF HONOR AT THE MEMORIAL CEMETERY IN COLLEGE STATION ON MONDAY, AUGUST 8 FOLLOWING THE GREATEST LIFE SERVICE THAT WILL OPEN AT 10 AM. ALL ARE WELCOME AND INTENDED AT THE SERVICES. WE ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING WITH HIM BOTH AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND AS COUNTY AND HE WILL CERTAINLY BE MISSED BY ALL OF THIS WELL SERVED WITH HIM AND HIS LOVED ONES. HE DID SO MUCH FOR THIS COUNTY AND THIS CITY THAT PEOPLE WILL NEVER KNOW IN MY OPINION, THE AMOUNTS OF THINGS THAT HE DID IN SUCH A WONDERFUL FASHION. I WILL CERTAINLY MISS HIM PERSONALLY. I HAD THE HONOR OF KNOWING HIM AND SERVING WITH HIM AND KEEPING UP WITH HIM OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. THAT WAS VERY WELL WRITTEN OBITUARY BECAUSE HE WAS CERTAINLY A MAN WHO NEVER GIVE UP, NEVERTHELESS ILLNESS GETAWAY, NEVER MADE EXCUSES. E JUST DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO AND MOVED ON. REST IN PEACE LLOYD. >> GRANT, YOU ARE RIGHT. LL THOSE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND HE NEVER BRAGGED ABOUT THEM. HE JUST GOT IT DONE. AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW? JUDGE NEIL, HE WAS COMING OFF THE CITY COUNCIL AT 12 O'CLOCK AND I CAME ON CITY COUNCIL AT TWO. WE ACTUALLY MISSED EACH OTHER. I ACTUALLY SERVE WITH HENRY GARRETT AS THE MAYOR. BUT I WAS THANKED THE JUDGE AND HE CAME OVER HERE THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I SERVED WITH HIM. I DID THANK HIM FOR ALL THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAD DONE. I SAID I GOT ELECTED THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND WAS OPENING DAY FOR THE HOOKS. AND I SAID HEY, THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS I WILL EVER TAKE IS BEING PART OF THE STADIUM AND FIELD. IT'S BECAUSE HE DID ALL THE WORK. AND IN THE COUNCIL THAT YOU WERE ON. BUT I GOT TO BE THERE WITH THE RIBBON-CUTTING AND WITH THE JUDGE ON THAT FACT WHEN HE WAS STILL MAYOR. OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE TERMINAL OUT THERE. IN ROB'S TOWN. LLOYD NEIL AIRPORT. SO, THAT IS ALSO A LIGHT LASTING LEGACY THAT HE HAS IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE. PUT THIS ON FACEBOOK AND I TOOK SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT THE WORDS. THEY JUST KIND OF POURED OUT FOR ME BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO JUST SHARE HOW YOU THOUGHT AND MY FIRST KIND OF SENTENCE OR TWO WAS WE DID NOT AGREE HARDLY ON ANYTHING. UT, WE FOUND A WAY TO WORK IT OUT.E ALWAYS HAD AN OPEN DOOR AND ALLOWED ME TO SHARE CONCERNS. FOR THE PRESENT. I DID APPRECIATE THAT. HE JUST DID SO MUCH FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND HE JUST ALWAYS KEPT GOING. AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL REMEMBER AND THE THREE OF US THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVING RIGHT NOW, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE WITH HIM. HE HAD ÃÃHE WAS TOUGH AND YOU KNOW?E WOULD PUT HIS FOOT DOWN AND THAT WAS PRETTY HARD OBSTACLE TO OVERCOME. WHEN IT CAME TO WANTING TO WORK IN OUR PRECINCTS, HE WAS PRETTY SUPPORTIVE. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HE DID THERE. AND OF COURSE, TO THETIS AND WE HAD A REALLY GREAT CELEBRATION. AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS I SHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA WHEN WERE HAD, OF HIS PASSING. I REALLY DID THINK THE BEST TIME WE HAD WAS AT THE LAST MEETING WE CELEBRATED IN DECEMBER 2022 18. HIS RETIREMENT PARTY THAT HE HAD. THAT WAS THE END OF HIS LEGACY ON PUBLIC SERVICE. AND HE KNEW IT. HE WAS NOT IN A RUN FOR ANY OFFICE AFTER THAT. AND SO, TO BE A PART OF THAT HISTORY AND THIS COMMUNITY MEANS A LOT FROM ME. [06:35:11] T'S PRETTY TOUGH TO NOT GET REALLY EMOTIONAL AND CHOKED UP TO TALK ABOUT LLOYD AND JUST WANT ALL THAT HE ENCOMPASSED AND HE WOULD BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT IT WAS NOT ONLY HIM. IT WAS ALL THE STAFF HERE AND ALL THE STAFF REALLY ÃÃHE WAS ENDEARED TO. AND THE STAFF OF COURSE THERE AT CITY HALL AS WELL. SO, HE WAS A GOOD MAN. WE WILL DEFINITELY MISS HIM AND I HOPE THERE WILL BE OTHER WAYS WE CAN HONOR HIM AND HIS MEMORY IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. JUST WANTED TO ADD AS WELL THAT I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT IT HAS BEEN 22 YEARS. PROBABLY CLOSER TO 23 BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER IN ADVANCE OF THE MILLENNIUM. I GOT A CALL FROM JUDGE NEIL AND HE SAID BARBARA, I WANT YOU TO COME OVER TO MY OFFICE. HE WAS THE MAYOR AND HE ASKED BE MADE. ÃÃSHARE THE YEAR 2000 CELEBRATION FOR OUR CITY. AND THAT WAS MY REALLY GREAT INTRODUCTION TO HIS STYLE OF GOVERNMENT AND HOW HE LIKED TO RUN THINGS. AND THEN FAST-FORWARD YEARS LATER. AS A PORT COMMISSIONER, HE SWORE ME IN AND I THANK YOU JOHN FOR SENDING ME THAT PICTURE. AND IT WAS HE WHO SAID LET'S GO GET THIS DONE RIGHT. WE WENT OVER AND HAD A VERY UNORTHODOX ÃÃBECAUSE IT WAS STANDING ROOM ONLY.E MADE THAT HAPPEN FOR ME. I WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN KNOWN THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A SWEARING IN. BUT, THAT IS THE WAY HE IS. ONCE A DECISION WAS MADE, HE EXECUTED ON IT. I THINK THAT HE WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED ÃÃDEFINITELY FOR HIS TOUGHNESS. WHEN HE WALKED INTO A ROOM, I THINK I SAID THIS IN MY COMMENTS. YOU KNEW HE WAS THERE. ONE OF THE LAST MISSION TRIPS I GUESS WE BOTH DID TOGETHER. I WAS THE COUNTY JUDGE. AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY FUNNY. HE SAID I WOULD TAKE BARBARA OVER TO THE REPUBLICAN DINING ROOM. AND SO, WE HAD LUNCH TOGETHER THERE. IN WASHINGTON DC. AND HE WAS ADVOCATING AS HE ALWAYS WAS FOR HIS BELOVED MILITARY INSTALLATION AND BASES HERE. I THINK THAT FOR ME, IS WHAT I'M GONNA THINK ABOUT FOREVER. IS THAT HE FOUGHT WITH MY UNCLE, DOCTOR HECTOR TO KEEP HER BASES ALIVE. AND TRAVEL TO WASHINGTON. AND THEN DECADES LATER HE WOULD GO WITH HIS GREAT-NIECE TO DO THE VERY SAME THING. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED MORE OF IN THIS COMMUNITY. MAY YOU REST IN PEACE AND I DO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PHOTOGRAPH THAT MAGGIE FOUND OF HIS TENURE HERE. AS COUNTY JUDGE. AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WILL COME UP WITH THE WAY THAT WE COULD PRESENT THAT HONORABLY. WHEN IT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ÃJUST GIVE COACH MATTIS? >> HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY. >> OKAY. >> AGAIN, BUT HE SAID ABOUT JUDGE NIPPERT I WORK WITH JUDGE NEIL FOR 12 YEARS. AS A JUDGE AND AS A COMMISSIONER. HE WAS A VERY SPECIAL INDIVIDUAL IN HIS OWN WAY. WE DID NOT SEE TO I ON A LOT OF THINGS AND WE ARGUED ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. THINGS THAT HE ALWAYS LIKED TO SAY AFTER 5 TO 8 ARGUMENT, HE WAS TELLING COMMISSIONERS ONE TIME ÃÃCOMMISSIONER ONLY GOT TWO CHOICES HERE. YES OR NOT. [LAUGHTER] E COULD VOTE YES OR NO. THAT'S IT. SO, YOU KNOW? SO, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE WAS. OMMISSIONER, JUDGE NEIL DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. HE SAID HEY! HE WALKED OUT AND SAID HAS YOUR MOM, HAS YOUR FAMILY? HAS YOUR WIFE? WE WOULD TALK AND I REALLY ADMIRED HIM BECAUSE OF WHAT HE STOOD FOR AND WHAT HE BELIEVED. HE ALWAYS HAD A VISION OF MOVING THE COUNTY FORWARD. ALWAYS A VISION THAT HE WANTED TO GO TO THE MILITARY, LIKE JOHN SAID. MILITARY WAS PROBABLY HIS PROBABLY HIS PRIDE AND JOY. A TELL YOU WHAT, HE WAS A GOOD MAN, VERY RESPECTABLE, VERY COURTEOUS, DIDN'T LIKE TO ARGUE A LONG TIME, BECAUSE ONCE HE STARTED TELLING YOU HEY, TIME [06:40:01] TO MOVE ON. YES OR NO? WE KNEW WHAT HE WANTED. HE'S GONNA BE MISSED IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. TWO GROUPS, HE WAS ALWAYS INVOLVED IN GROUPS A THROUGH Z. ESPECIALLY WITH THE UNIVERSITY. SO, MY CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY IN MY PRAYERS GO OUT AND ÃÃHOPEFULLY REST IN PEACE. AMEN. >> THANK YOU. >> JUDGE, WHAT I ALSO REMEMBER ABOUT COUNTY JUDGE FLOYD NEIL IS THAT WHEN HE FIRST RAN FOR OFFICE AS MAYOR, HE CALLED ME ASKING ME IF I WOULD PUT UP HIS SIGNS. HE SAID I WAS LACKING IN SHORT ON THAT PREHEAT I SAID OF COURSE I WILL HELP YOU. I WAS LIKE 10. HE WAS A GOOD MAN. I JUST DID WHAT EVER HE WAS BACKING AND I WAS WORKING FOR HIM PUTTING UP SIGNS. AND ALSO HERE IN THE COUNTY, I WORKED WITH HIM. I WAS WORKING. HE ALSO WAS LACKING HELP IN HAVING SIGNS PUT UP. SO, I OFFERED TO HELP HIM. [INDISCERNIBLE] I DID NOT WANT HIM UP THERE BY HIMSELF. THAT'S WHAT I RECOLLECT ABOUT LLOYD NEW AND I DID NOT MIND DOING IT ONE BIT. REST IN PEACE MR. NEIL. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY. >> ONE MORE. >> OKAY. IS IT COACH PETTUS BY CHANCE? >> NO. >> I NEED ONE. WE CAN HOLD UNTIL NEXT WEEK. >> YOU MENTIONED IT. >> I HAVE THE OBITUARY, BUT I CANNOT FIND IT RIGHT NOW. WELL, HIS ROSARY WAS WEDNESDAY. >> THE FUNERAL WAS YESTERDAY. >> THE FUNERAL IS WEDNESDAY. >> PARDON? >> [INDISCERNIBLE] MOST OF US HERE PROBABLY WROTE ÃÃINDISCERNIBLE] RUDY GUNTER WAS VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. HE WAS A PUBLIC SERVANT. HE WAS A RETIREE FROM THE AIR FORCE. ABOUT 25 YEARS. LOVED THE MILITARY, BUT ALSO LOVED HIS COMMUNITY. HE SERVED IN MANY, MANY BOARDS. YOU KNOW? AND ALWAYS WAS GIVING HIS INPUT. HE WAS DIRECTOR OF AN ORGANIZATION CALLED PARENTS ASSOCIATION FOR DRUG REHABILITATION AND EDUCATIONAL SERVICES. WHICH AT THAT TIME RECEIVED A GRANT OF ALMOST $2 MILLION. AND HE DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT PROGRAM. [INDISCERNIBLE] HE WAS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO. HE ALSO VOLUNTEERED TO COORDINATE THE COLUMBIA COALITION GROUP OF NUECES COUNTY. KIND OF WORK TOOK ME SIDE-BY-SIDE ON THE AND VOLUNTEERED. ALWAYS A BIG HEART FOR PEOPLE. ESPECIALLY THE INDIGENT CARE. AND OF COURSE NOW, MY FRIEND WILL BE MISSED. NOW HE WILL SIT NEXT TO HIS LOVE OF HIS LIFE AND WIFE OF OVER 55 YEARS TOGETHER. HIS WIFE AND BEST FRIEND. PRAYERS AND CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY. HE WAS VERY PROUD OF HIS FAMILY. ESPECIALLY HIS GRANDCHILDREN. WHO WILL BE MISSED AND GOD BLESS HIM AND BLESS THE FAMILY. AMEN. >> AMEN. JUDGE. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> I FIND IT. WHAT YOU HAVE? IF I WANT TO? >> I FOUND ONE IN MY CAR. >> I GOT AND I FOUND IT. JAVIER? ALSO KNOWN AS KID, THAT IS COACH PEREZ. 86 PASSED AWAY ON JULY 28, 2022. IN CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS. HE WAS BORN IN LAREDO TEXAS ON NOVEMBER 7, 1935 TO JUANITA PEREZ. HE ATTENDED SAINT AUGUSTINE CATHOLIC SCHOOL IN LAREDO JUNIOR COLLEGE IN TEXAS A AND I IN KINGSVILLE. BASKETBALL HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BIG PART OF JAVIER'S LIFE. WITH AN EARLY START PLAYING BASKETBALL IN A MANTRA SCHOOL, HE WAS ACCOMPLISHED ENOUGH TO PLAY IN THE SAINT AUGUSTINE VARSITY TEAM AS 1/8 GRADER. WHEN HE WAS A SENIOR 1955, HIS TEAM WON DISTRICT AND WAS A FINALIST IN THE STATE TOURNAMENT PRETTY WAS PICKED AS DISTRICT 3 ALL THREE YEARS ARE REPAIRED AND SELECTED TO THE ALLSTATE SEAT TEAM IN HIS SENIOR YEAR.E REPRESENTED THE TOP BELIEVED THE STATE TOURNAMENT 1958. HE WAS SELECTED TO TRANSFER THE PAN-AMERICAN GAMES RECOMMENDING [06:45:03] MEXICO. HE BEGAN SERVING THE U.S. ARMY IN GERMANY. HE ATTENDED SNIPER SCHOOL AND WAS ASSIGNED TO THE SPORTS DIVISION TO PLAY BASKETBALL AND BASEBALL FOR TWO YEARS. IN 1960, HE WAS SELECTED TO THE ALL ARMED SERVICES EUROPEAN ALL-STAR TEAM. THAT SAME YEAR HE WAS INVITED TO TRY OUT FOR THE UNITED STATES OLYMPIC BASKETBALL TEAM. IN ROME ITALY. HE LATER BECAME A TEACHER AND COACH AT WENTZVILLE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. AND THE FIRST HEAD BASKETBALL COACH AT RUDY HIGH SCHOOL THAT OPENED IN 1967. HIS TEAMS WERE KNOWN FOR THEIR DISCIPLINE AND AGGRESSIVENESS. S A COACH AND TEACHER, HE INCURS A GOOD ATTITUDE COURTESY, LOYALTY, PUNCTUALITY, AND SELF-CONFIDENCE AND HIS STUDENTS. IN 1972, COACH PEREZ LED THE TROJANS TO THE DISTRICT AND BY DISTRICT BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIPS. HE CONTINUED HIS CAREER WORKING IN MOODY HIGH SCHOOL UNTIL HE RETIRED IN 1998. AFTER HIS RETIREMENT, HE CANNOT STAY AWAY FROM TEACHING AND COACHING HIS STUDENTS. SO, HE CONTINUED HIS PASSIONATE RICHARD MELBOURNE HIGH SCHOOL UNTIL 2004. EARLY IN HIS CAREER, IS VERY ACTIVE IN POLITICS, COMMUNITY SERVICE, AND VOLUNTEER COACHING YOUTH SPORTS. IT IS VERY GENEROUS. OFTEN GIVING FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO SCHOOLS SPORTS TEAMS, PTA, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, LULAC, AND THOSE IN NEED. COACH ENJOYED SPENDING TIME WITH HIS FAMILY, WATCHING SPORTS, AND SITTING AROUND THE KITCHEN TABLE WITH COFFEE AND BUNDLE SET. CATCHING UP ON LIVE WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS PAID HE IS SURVIVED BY HIS WIFE OF 60 YEARS, RUTH GARCIA PEREZ, HIS DAUGHTER, DELIA ANDREA, CHARLES PEREZ, BELOVED GRANDCHILDREN. I'M ALISA, GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN. BROTHERS, NIECES, NEPHEWS AND AS WE JUST COMMENTED, HE WAS LAID TO REST YESTERDAY ACTUALLY ON AUGUST 4. THE BURIAL WAS YESTERDAY. SO. >> JUDGE, IF I CAN JUST PICK. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT QUICKLY THAT HE USED TO BABYSIT FOR MY DAD.O, WE ARE ÃÃOUR FAMILY HAS KNOWN HIM FOREVER AND LICIA ÃÃHIS SISTER WAS MY GRANDMOTHER CLEO'S NURSE FOR DECADES. IT WAS A PASSING OF YET ANOTHER GREAT. >> QUICKTIME. >> BOY, HE JUST DID INCREDIBLE. LAST THING I WILL SAY IS THAT HIS GRANDSON LOOKS JUST LIKE HIM AND HE IS JUST AS ACCOMPLISHED ATHLETE. AND I LOOKED AT HIM AND IT JUST MADE ME. I SAID TO MCGINNIS. HE LIVES WITH YOU EVERY SINGLE DAY NOW. I'M STILL LOOK AT HIM. YOU KNOW HIM COMMISSIONER. CHESNEY, THE ONE SPEAKING OF, RIGHT? HE'S A GREAT ATHLETE. SO, ANYWAY, PLEASE GO AHEAD. WE CANNOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THIS GREAT MAN. STARLIGHT COMMISSIONER PUT. >> GO AHEAD I AGREE JESS. >> I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE THE SERVICE HISTORY IN THE FAMILY IS VERY CLOSE FRIEND YOU ARE RIGHT. HIS GRANDSON XAVIER LOOKS A LOT LIKE HIM. XAVIER REALLY GROUP AT MY HOUSE AND IS ONE OF MY SON'S BEST FRIENDS.UST A GREAT MAN. AND YOU TALK ABOUT A GUY WHO HAD SOME TOUGH TIMES. HE HAD A STROKE ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO. I HAD JUST AS I DID NOT KNOW HIM PRE-STROKE. AND I JUST NEVER MET A FINER GENTLEMAN WHO CARED ABOUT PEOPLE AND WOULD JUST AS HE WAS IN EVERYTHING XAVIER AND ME DID. HE LOVED TO WATCH THEM PLAY BASKETBALL. HE WENT EVERYTHING AND HE WAS HARD TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE STROKE REALLY AFFECTED HIS SPEAKING AND HIS BODY. HE DID NOT CARE. HE WAS ALWAYS THERE. LWAYS SUCH A GOOD GUY. HE WAS ALWAYS COACHING. IT WAS PRETTY FUNNY. SOMETIMES IT WAS REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS SAYING, BUT HE WOULD PULL XAVIER ASIDE OR JOSHUA OR WHOEVER WAS IN TELL THEM HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO BE DOING ON THE COURT. E WAS A COACH AT HEART AND HE WAS JUST SUCH A GREAT MAN. AND YOU KNOW? HE WILL DEFINITELY BE MISSED. HE PASSED PEACEFULLY AT HIS SON'S HOUSE WITH HIS FAMILY AROUND AND I WAS ABLE TO GO BY AND SEE HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE. AND YOU KNOW, HE WAS SUPER RESPONSIVE. HE KNEW I WAS THERE HE KNEW PEOPLE WERE THERE AND IN HIS OWN WAY, YOU COULD TELL HE APPRECIATED BEING THERE. GREAT MAN, DID A LOT FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND I DID NOT KNOW HIM AS AS YOU TO JUDGE, BUT SUCH A LOVER OF MY KIDS AND HIS GRANDKIDS AND THAT IS WHAT I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER. HE WAS A GREAT COACH ALSO. HE WAS JUST A REALLY GREAT MAN AND FAMILY FRIEND. HE WILL BE MISSED AND CONDOLENCES TO CHARLES AND AMELIA AND FAMILY AND HIS WONDERFUL WIFE BRIGHT AND SHINING OPINION AS THERE IS IN THIS WORLD. >> ADJOINS A COUPLE THINGS? COACH X? COACH X. HE WAS A CHARACTER. HE WON THE LEFT. AND HANG OUT WITH HIM FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.E WOULD MAKE YOU LAUGH AND TELL YOU A JOKE OR TWO. EVERY FOUR YEARS ÃÃHE WOULD ALWAYS CALL ME. I'VE GOT MOODY. DO NOT WORRY. I GOT MOODY. [06:50:01] DON'T WORRY. EVERY YEAR, HE WOULD ÃÃ WHATEVER THE JUDGE DOES ÃHE WOULD SEND ME A CARD. IT WAS A LITTLE PRAYER CARD. ALWAYS ENCOURAGEMENTS. ALWAYS SAFE. ÃÃTHAT WAS HIS WAY OF TELLING YOU THAT YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. HAVE FAITH.ELIEVING GOD. YOU CAN GIVE YOU THOSE LITTLE PRAYER CARDS. HE WAS SHARE WHAT HE FELT. HE PUT THE SIGN AND MONEY TO Ã ÃTHAT'S YOU. [INDISCERNIBLE] ANYWAY I WAS JUST SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT TODAY. I JUST WANT A SUMMER PERSON IS ÃTHIS CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY. MAY HE REST IN PEACE. IN A? HE'S CAN BE MISSED FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AMEN. >> THIS MUST BE THE MONTH FOR GRADES. THE ALL SUFFER TOGETHER IN HEAVEN BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THEY ARE ALL THERE. [LAUGHTER] >> AND AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO SHARE, REAL QUICK JUDGE. SAME THING. COACH, THAT'S HOW WE KNEW HIM. FORTUNATELY BEFORE HE HAD HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT HEALTH ISSUES. AND VERY VIBRANT. AFTER REHAB HE WAS ABLE TO GET OUT. HE WOULD NEVER MISS A GAME FOR HIS GRANDKIDS. THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD SEE HIM AND HIS GRANDDAUGHTER AND MY DAUGHTER PLAYED SOFTBALL TOGETHER. WE WOULD SEE COACH PEREZ EVERYWHERE AND GET TO VISIT WITH HIM AND IN MY EARLY YEARS IN CITY COUNCIL, HE WOULD ÃÃ WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT AND JUST LITTLE PRAYERS AND LITTLE BIBLE SCRIPTURES THAT HE WOULD SEND AS WELL. SO ENCOURAGING. WE'RE JUST SO SADDENED FOR HIS FAMILY TO HEAR OF HIS PASSING. HE KNEW THE FAMILY AS YOU HAVE CORNETT THERE. THE JUDGE AND I WERE THERE TUESDAY. AND SO, IS A CELEBRATION OF LIFE. THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE AND JUST LAUGHING AND TALKING ABOUT THEM AND CATCHING UP. TO NOT KNOW HIS PART OF HIS LIFE WAS LULAC AND THEN SING YOUR DAD THERE, MR. CANALIS AND CHAIRMAN RUBEN BONILLA IT WAS THERE AS WELL. AND SEVERAL OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. KINDEST SHOWED YES, HE WAS ACTIVE AND INVOLVED. AND CARED ABOUT CORPUS CHRISTI A LOT. HE CANNOT GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT THEM KNOWING ABOUT COACH PEREZ, RIGHT?F YOU WANT TO WIN SEAL OR THROUGH MOODY ESPECIALLY. THE PEOPLE KNEW HIM FROM THERE. HE WILL BE GREATLY MISSED. VERY GOOD MAN AND SO, YES. WE MOURN WITH THE PEREZ FAMILY AS WELL. >> I LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING WITH COACH PEREZ. HE WAS MY COACH AT MOODY HIGH SCHOOL HE TRIED TO PLAY BASKETBALL. BUT HE WAS VERY STRICT. HE DID NOT GO TO PRACTICE. HE WOULD NOT PLAY. SO, I DID NOT GET MUCH PLAYING TIME. BUT YOU KNOW? HE WAS A GOOD MAN. AND ALSO, IS WORKING AT ONE OF THE FUNERAL HOMES HERE. AT MEMORIAL HOLLY. AND EVERY TIME WE HAD A STUDENT OR HE HAD ONE OF HIS STUDENTS THAT WOULD PASS JUST AS HE WOULD ALWAYS ATTEND THEIR FUNERAL. SO, HE JUST SAID YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HE WAS A GOOD MAN. I CAN RECALL ABOUT HIM. IT WAS A HE WAS A FAIR COACH. AND YOU KNOW, MAY HE REST IN PEACE. MY CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.